No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1008: Scottie Scheffler wins the PGA Championship

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

Scottie Scheffler claims his third Major Championship, beating H.E., Bryson DeChambeau, and Davis Riley by five. Join us as we break down all of the tournament's action, run down the final leaderboard, figure out where we are at in Men's Professional Golf through two Major Championships, and a bunch more. Presented by High Noon. Support our sponsors: High Noon - Sun's Up! Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf The Stack - code NOLAYINGUP Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf Join the Nest: nolayingup.com/join Sign up for NLU Summer Festival: http://events.nolayingup.com/2025-summer-festival Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Always good to be with you on those. We don't we don't get many of those a year. You know, let's let's celebrate it. Miss going clockwise. Mr. Icarito, Neil Schuster, calling from Brooklyn. Hello, Neil. Gentlemen, happy to be here. I had a great time watching golf today. Lots of discuss and I'm fired up to talk about it with the three of you. Mr. TC is of course here. Hello, TC.

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Scotty Scheffler, your deserving champion, his third major. It was not unexciting. It got a little spicy there for a minute. Scotty, you know, he opens today with a three shot lead shaky early. Bogeys the first then just kind of held on, you know, a little lucky with a bad drive on two, but squeezes a birdie out of that one. Bogey six fails to birdie seven and eight. Boys nine it was looking a little rocky there John Rom's on the move birdies at eight ten and eleven but Scotty comes in birdies ten for the first time all week then gets up and down from the bunker for birdie on the drivable fourteenth to go to ahead with

four to play we're going to talk about this much more later but John Rom just kind of yeet.com down the stretch fails to birdie the fifteenth bogeie the 15th. Bogey's the 16th doubles the 17th, uh, to just kill all the drama. We want reverse heat and doubles the 18th. Just your little cherry on top. Maybe got yeeted. Maybe is that, is that a better verb usage TC?

John Harris, he needed him off the property. Uh, by the time Rom finished, he was eight back. Uh just kind of no no real drama left in those last couple holes. Scotty would ultimately go on to win by five over HEE, Harris English, Bryson, and Davis Riley Riley Davis. Uh few Scotty stats. I wanna throw out you guys. I believe these are all courtesy of our friends at the Elias Sports Bureau. Uh Randy Robles. Randy Robles. Big Randy Robles. Since 1970, guys,

only one player, I was riding on this last ad, just did not need a double on the last. Only one player has won consecutive tour appearances, five plus shots. Of course, Scotty won by eight. Last time he teed it up at TPC, Craig James. Only one other player has done that. Back to back starts winning by five plus. Tiger Woods, of course. He did it twice, once in 2000, once in 2007. Saul, I know you love this one. You tweeted this one out. This is Scottie's 140th pro start, okay? Draw a line

halfway between like right down the middle of those consecutive starts. Zero wins in his first 70 in his next 70 15 wins. That's a lot of wins. And on that note, Tiger went from win number one to win number 15 in three years and 32 days. Tiger or I'm sorry, Jack and Scotty were very similar timeframes. Jack took 13 more days than that, and Scotty took 62 more days than that. I think you had a good stat there, Solly, about what he would have to do to keep up the pace. Yeah, if he wants to, over his next 110 starts, if he wants to keep pace with Tiger, he's got to win 56 times. So more than half of his next few starts to keep Tigers pace. And as ridiculous as Scotty's run has been 15 out of last 70, that's still below

Tigers career run, which includes all of the late year stuff that is not nearly winning at the same frequency. So, but but bananas, how less guys, I'm in a little bit of a pickle here where I just I want to talk about Scotty, I to give him his flowers I want to talk about how awesome he's playing I want to talk about how awesome it was that he slammed the door on Saturday and Sunday but I just I'm kind of out of ways to say it I'm curious I'm curious if anybody else has any new new insights big takeaways Neil any anything that's stuck out today from you watching watching Scottie's close the door I mean, I've, I've called him Aquaman before, but he's back, you know, what do you have as we learned in our, yeah, we did.

Oh, Ravioli be damned. Um, I just, I was kind of zooming out while I was watching the, you know, cause a drought, like you said, the drama evaporated, um, as, as Ram ejected himself, but I think if you zoom out the last four major winners, we've got Bryson, Xander, Rory and Scotty. And I use that Aquaman, I use you zoom out, the last four major winners, we've got Bryson, Xander, Rory, and Scotty. And I use that Aquaman term,

it's like it's turned into a bit of a Marvel's universe here. And I love it. I think it's awesome for golf. I know this wasn't, you know, the host of this pod's favorite week of golf, favorite course, you know, there's a lot to be critical of, but I feel like those are the top four best golfers in

the world right now, and they each hold a major championship heading into the US Open at Oakmont. I think that's awesome for golf, and it gets me fired up because that's a really easy storyline and narrative for the broadcast, for all the people orbiting around golf to discuss. I think it puts golf in the news with casual fans. That's easy to be like, hey, these are the four guys you need to know about. And that's pretty much like, we can ride with that for a while. And I don't feel like any of those guys are going anywhere. Rory would be the only one you'd be like, ah, it's late in his career. Everybody else,

it just feels like they're really, really hungry. I even get that sense from Xander that he's pissed And Rob Rob said as much many many times and yeah So so throw ROM into that as the as the fifth banana, right? I just think that's you know, some guys are lifting and separating right now and then you got yeah guy like JT kind of Nipping so I don't know I was in and you know, we'll get to some quail stuff later But the cream did rise or maybe the little boys fell, uh, or couldn't keep up. Um, but you know, for a minute there, you had Scotty, Rom Bryson, one, two, three on the leaderboard heading into the back nine on Sunday.

I mean, sign me up to watch that. I know we, we kind of laugh about it and say like, Hey, tournament starts at hole 63, which kind of held true. But, uh, in the end, you know, over four rounds, it, it turned into a, you know, kind of held true but in the end you know over four rounds it turned into a you know kind of hitters only there so those were my takeaways. So anything on Scotty that really stuck out to you the last couple days? Most of the last couple of years has been spent like trying to come up with different ways to describe his greatness and I like today alone

like the last two days alone have made me kind of go back and be like I we still might have underdone it like we might have underdone it and it's hard to picture what his ceiling come he won this by five like bogey the last to win by five. are deserved. I mean, Tiger's longevity for how long he did it is obviously just like what's in his way between being that dude. Like is he, like the question we asked after one of his major wins I think was you know is he gonna have a can he have a better career than Phil which was like 40 wins and six majors which is a ton and like that seems light right now honestly it really does and I think it we were kind of kept waiting for this domino to fall of when is he going to win a major away from Augusta, which is kind of a ridiculous expectation to lob on somebody, but like that's how good of a player he is.

Why hasn't he done this? Three time major winner. We're going to go through the company that he's in at three major wins at this age, like, and in this fashion, it's hard to, it's hard to, this is usually the point of the Sunday pod after a major where I tell people to pause and don't award too many majors in the future to the guy that just won one. I'm not gonna do that tonight because I think like

the top truly may come off the defense on this one. Well, you gotta take some away from others then. Well, you've got to take some away from others. I'm happy to do that tonight. Yeah. Can I, can I, oh, so go to T-State. Real quick, no, real quick on the, You've got to take some away from me. I'm happy to do that tonight. Yeah. Can I still ask you? Oh, so go real quick.

No, real quick on the three major club that you alluded to. We've got Dr. J, Julius Burroughs, Billy Casper, Henry Cotton, Jimmy DeMarit, Padraig Harrington, Hale Erwin, Kerry Mitalkoff, Larry Nelson, Nick Price. I'm Nick Price, man. Vijay Singh, Payne Stewart, Jordan Spieth still throws me off. No, that's not right. He's got like five. And of course, pre-World War II, Jamie Anderson, Tommy Armour, the OG, Henry Cotton, Ralph Goldall, and Denny Schute. Not to be

confused with Denny Cash. TC, anything stick out to you from Scotty from, you know, one of the things you said earlier this week, not to, sorry, paint you into one direction here, but I really enjoyed your Nance observation, just how much Nance seems to really love Scotty and what that tells you about Scotty. Yeah. So I said that yesterday, a few things here, but Nance, yeah, Nance, like he's been around a long time. He's been doing this, what, 40 years now. He sees a lot of dudes in the NFL, college basketball, like, you know, 40 years of majors, 160 plus majors. Or they don't do four a year, but get the picture. He sees a lot of greatness,

and the way that he talks about Scotty is different. The way that you can tell he reveres the guy, and there's something distinct and unique about the way that Nance just treats him and speaks of him. So I thought that was interesting. I just noticed that on Saturday especially. I'd like to go back just to something, something I said in episode 319 on June 9th, 2020. I said he's a generational player. And, and then later on, yeah, episode 340. We only use that on one person ever over the course of this podcast. Episode 340, August 8th, 2020, round three of the PGA.

Solly, apologies to TC regarding Mr. Scheffler. So, Solly's been on this journey with me, with Scotty as a generational player. And I felt like today was kind of him being like, it was like order was restored, right? It felt like he had an awesome season last year. And everybody just kind of had that weird ravioli injury, you know, like wine glass injury pre century. And then everybody just kind of, you know, he kind of evaporated too much in everybody's

minds. And I think for him to reassert himself, if like, it kind of feels like it made this week, the slog, just snooze fest that this week was it made it worthwhile in the long run, because we got to witness someone doing something historic and something that's going to add to their legacy. And it's not just Jimmy Walker in 2016 and Walter Stroll kind of thing. I, uh, so I frequently shout out Scottie's press conferences on this podcast, cause I feel like I always learn something from him and I try to go back and read all his transcripts. And one thing I constantly see popping up this year that I, I don't know that I'm sure people, you know, inherently realize,

but maybe haven't thought about that much, is it's not just the injury and getting the hand okay, and coming back and once you can swing normally, you're back where you were. One thing he keeps shouting out day after day after day is how much his entire schedule got thrown off. Because these guys are pretty finely tuned, as you know, and then in the off season,

they don't just keep doing the same thing they do in the regular season. It's all about shutting it down, working out, training in different ways, trying to improve certain things, and then getting back and ramping up so that you're ready for the season. And him not being able to use his hand

like changed the way he worked out. It changed the way he was, you know, practicing hitting iron shots, changed the way he was practicing hitting know, practicing hitting iron shots. Change the way he was practicing hitting drivers. Like all of these different things have this weird, you know, downstream effect. So again, I know this sounds kind of obvious that, oh yeah, he was out for two months. But it's not just that he was out for

two months. And then like he started in one place, was out for two months, and then was still in that same place. He kind of just messed up his entire timeline, where, which I think we've seen, you know, and you're kind of seeing it with Xander right now too, after injury is like, it takes these guys a while to ramp back up. And it's just like a pitcher coming back or just like, you know, I think I have, maybe I'm speaking to myself here,

but I have a bad habit of forgetting about that part and just being like, Oh, he's back from injury. He's going to be the same guy he was. And that's just not the case. And Scotty has taken a minute to get back to where he is and God, Saturday, Sunday, man, I mean, even flashes on Thursday, Friday, like he looked like the guy that you mentioned, TC, that we saw just absolutely dominate last year.

Yeah, I imagine Rory winning at Augusta probably pissed him off. For sure. That's why the Rory win was so important. That's why it was like truly his best opportunity because it was like, dude, we don't know what what Scotty's health and game is like at this point. And I kind of foolishly thought that window was still open into this this tournament, right? TPC, Craig James, I was willing to throw that one out completely. Probably shouldn't have. It was an

eight shot win. And of course, it's really hard to separate from and bang, that door is fucking closed. It's over. It is back to Scottie Scheffler's world and it was before this week started. I just we just didn't we didn't we didn't know it. Can I a couple things about today that I really found impressive or that I've started to really appreciate watching him and I think I'm only going to appreciate him more with the

long term and like excellence is how routine he makes it look. And the he's like Mr. Found look. And the, uh, he's like, mr. Found it. Nobody else in golf. It's like, if you don't have, like with Rory, let's take Rory. If he didn't have his driver, you're like, ah, he doesn't have it today. Whereas Scotty's fighting the left, the whole front nine. And then it's just like, I think it was 10.

It was like, Oh, found it. You know, and he's like the only guy that's able to snap into form. Reminds me a little of Steph Curry, when it's like, man, he kind of finds, hits like one, three, and then he just goes on a run. And everything snaps into place. And the rhythm of Scottie's game and how savvy and good he is with course management, I think

that gets overlooked a little bit, because it is kind of boring, but he just, he rarely really misses big and he's able to make small adjustments in round to get back to, you know, to salvage things. And he saw it on Thursday, he makes double bogey with a mud ball, but like he goes in and digs out a two under

where the other two, you know, best players in the world kind of fold and, and, uh, you know, we'll, we'll see an Oakmont basically. Um, so it's just really, when you start to really like, you gotta look for it though. It's not obvious. It's not explosive. Like some of these other guys, it's very nuanced. It's really hard to put on a t-shirt. Like, man, I love how that guy stays in the moment. I love how he hits the center of the green on a hard part. Yeah. It's easier to just put like, let him cook on a tee.

That was the thing like on 17. It's on Saturday, like that iron shot he hit on 17. It was just like, man, that was it, man. 16-2, he just hit like 15 feet. It was like, and I don't know, we're so into golf. I was like, God, that was such a good shot. And so that's where the strokes gain stuff and learning about that has really helped me. I knew immediately, I was like, oh, he just such a good shot because you know, and so that's where the strokes gain stuff and learning about that has really helped me. Like I knew immediately I was like, Oh, he just gained a shot on the field with that because we've sat there and watched three hours of guys just, you know, hit it in that right bunker or, you know, miss long and then it's just like,

it's very subtle, but it's like that was really good. Dude, he's D D finished rated Bryson with his like B minus game. That just it's just coming to me about how he like basically looked the top four players in the eye at different times. Like not. Yeah, you know, he's playing with Rory and Xander for bros one month to please, please. All week, Bryson threatens him Saturday and ups. Excuse me, I'm just going to be leading by three.

Let me just get sorry, Alex Norrin. He stares him down here. Comes here. Comes Rom charging up the board. Excuse me, sir. Please move. Please. This is this is the this is the the the running lane here, not the standing lane. Please move over. You're you're you are not you're not going to be at the finish line with me. You're going to be in a different frame of this. Quite honestly, I think it was even more impressive that he did it on a golf course that I don't think really separated out good shots from great shots all that much, at least until late in the day on Saturday when it really firmed up. He won this thing with his B- game and with,

you know, on a layout that I don't think that it put the onus on guys having to really really clip their irons and have a lot of integrity on the ball. It is funny that you say that there was thinking back I mean I obviously watched a ton of golf this week and I can remember shots from almost every other player there was like ah that one should have been in the water or and I got lucky and other than him hitting the cart path on two today and like seemingly getting a pretty good line at the hole. I'm like there was and spitting out of the trees on a yeah, but there was never like, I'm he's wildly on the wrong side of the fairway that one stayed up and it shouldn't have, you know, he was always he was always pretty much moving his chess piece to the to the right side of the board, which to your point, Neil, like he was Cody just shared a couple quotes here. We're speaking to just that question was what do you consider to be your greatest attributes to play in the major championships? He said, I always try to lean as much as I can on my mind. I think that's probably my greatest strength.

Like today, this week, I just feel like I did such a good job of being patient when I wasn't swinging at my best. And I just hit shots when I needed to. I hit the, I really like this, I hit the important shots well this week, and that's why I'm walking away with the trophy. The shots on the golf course that are most important, those are the ones I feel like I did my best at, and maybe at times out here, some of the easier ones,

I maybe lost a bit of focus or something, but overall when I needed to, I feel like I hit the shots. And I would, as a pessimist read a little bit into some Quail Hollow, like not criticism necessarily, but like that's what I would point to is, yeah, there were kind of like five or six shots that you just really had to hit and the rest was kind of like hit it wherever, but he did hit all of those and that's, that's what, you know,

He did the same thing, you know, we should have foreseen this coming. He did the same thing you know we should have foreseen this coming. He did the same thing at TPC Craig Ranch last week and he hit it again this week at TPC Craig Hollow. I tried to warn you TC you said in the in the happy hour you said he plays well courses that inspire him. I'm like dog he just won by eight. I don't think he played that well. Maybe we need to be you know we need to adjust our scales for the courses that inspire it. Yeah. Well, I say, I use that water analogy. It's kind of a joke, but the more I think about it, the more watching him plays, it feels like sitting on the beach and watching waves crash.

It's just kind of, it almost becomes meditative where you're like, oh man, center of the green, you know, and then he, and then a big wave will come through a settle come through and he'll like flag one, but it's almost like an accident. It's like, oh, he was aiming for the middle of the green, but yeah, obviously he worked the ball the right direction, and it just feels so routine, and I'm starting to appreciate that a ton. Soly, you?

I got, can I take us to my favorite Sunday night of major game? Yes, I got one question before we get there. So you mentioned it earlier first major outside of Augusta I don't think this was actually a thing. I don't think anybody was actually Necessarily like oh god, can he win anywhere else? Is he just a horse for a course? I think there is still a valid question about you know, is he he hasn't really won like an absolute grind it out about, you know, is he, he hasn't really won like an absolute grind it out. We got, oh, maybe hasn't won one in big conditions, but I'm curious, like, sorry, I'll throw this to you. Did we learn anything new, winning outside of Augusta about his game?

And what questions kind of still remain? So I think this is, there's offsetting penalties here. So I think this is, there's offsetting penalties here. Bear with me for the first part. Slightly cheap that it's at a normal tour stop. Slightly offset by- One that he hasn't played though. Offset by what he- People are calling it the truest testing golf. The actual test of the golf course is extremely similar

to a lot of other PGA Tour courses. My point, that's one, offset by he won by fucking five and could have probably won by six if he wanted to. So I think he was winning on any golf course in the world this week. I think that was the question though coming in is like there's a couple tournaments a year that are supposedly different than the normal tour stops

that he's dominated and Augusta's obviously not a normal tour stop but it's a consistent stop and it's one that's obviously tailor-made to his game in a place that he feels very comfortable and is probably gonna rack up a lot of wins by going and and playing You know can go and play this style and win Can you go and play this style and win the questions definitely still out there for the open championship? Like we have not seen him be the links master yet And we have not seen him win a US Open and we haven't seen him win like a challenging PGA

I mean people will look at the on him being the only double-digit under par and say, what are you talking about? A lot of different ways to manipulate score. And I would definitely, we're going to talk some Quail Hollow on the back end of that, but I think that question's kind of still out there, but I think it's also, that question was also kind of out there for Xander last year when he won at Valhalla, I thought that was most definitely a cheap PGA championship win. Sorry, Freudian slip there,

because of how easy that setup was. But he goes and turns around and wins the open championship and really, really validates it and gains some confidence from his first major championship. So I think, I really do think it's a launching pad for Scottie to, if there was any doubt in his mind about going to some of these new venues and all of that, I know this wasn't, it's kind of a new venue for him that. I know this wasn't a, it's kind of a new venue for him,

not a new normal tour venue. So it's kind of a, I don't know, I'm waffling on that a little bit because it's kind of like a good half step. It has to be confidence inducing. And it makes me view him, it does make me view him differently for Oakmont. Because if he can separate from the field

on the course like that, he can absolutely do that at a much more challenging golf course. The only thing that I, the only reservation I have in my, with my Scotty Scheffler stock of which a lot I'm holding, you know, I read TC's newsletter and you know I'm a fervent follower of his investments. The only thing that sucks is his, the Open Championship being his like worst quote-un unquote worst major. You know, he's got two

top tens in the open and I just want odd. I just everything that you just got done saying Neil like he just rolls with it, man. He's so locked in. He always hits the proper shot. Like how how have we not married those two things up yet? I know he's also having temper weirdly when you know when it's it's almost like he gets to a point and then he freaks out a little bit. But he seems like he solved his putting issues. He's stuck with the claw,

which is honestly a little surprising to me. I mean, he just kind of busted that out down in the Bahamas late last year. And it was like, oh, okay, we're just gonna change our putting stroke after we had like a historically good PGA Tour, you know, a historically good golf season. And, but he didn't seem shaky

with the flat stick much this week. If you think the one, if he's got an Achilles heel, it seems like it's reading greens. It's not so much the stroke, it's reading greens. Well, I give him credit because Ted Scott used to read a lot of putts for him. And he's kind of, it feels like he's going it alone the last year or so. And I think that's, you know, he's not getting stuck in between reads. So he gets a lot of worm cams that we've got a Las Vegas video coming out or Neal has a lot of similar worm cams that way went that way at the holes there

yeah no the holes there that's okay interesting just unnecessary drive-by. No, I'm working on some things myself. I never I never put Headquarters is over there. I thought everybody told me that everything breaks this to the truest building in Bank of America headquarters Just quick numbers on Scottie for the week eighth and strokes gain off the T eighth and ball striking and officially Neil No nipple nace chipped his titties off fifth and strokes gain again. It is a conundrum to me to Deidre about the open and conditions. I mean maybe his mud ball quote is a little bit of insight into that where he's like so dialed honestly. It's not that he's out on the range using a track man.

He's very feel based you know and how he warms up and he doesn't seem super data driven. It's all about it seems like it's all about his grip, you know before he addresses the ball But he it's it's almost like when you introduce those variables Maybe that that's I don't know messes with him a little bit. I I don't know That's why I'm trying to work it out in real time. It's a matter of time. He's played four of them to half of them He's been the top ten. He hasn't really been a factor in compete I think I'd be I'd be stunned if he was not involved in Port Rush.

Yeah, I'll tell you, I think Port Rush is a fine fit for him. But I think Birkdale next year is like, that's his shit. And maybe it's probably that some of it like he's so it seems like he's so good at learning from mistakes, like a skill that I don't really have, where it's like, you know, he's like, ah, okay, as his career has progressed, it's like, he's picked a lot of stuff up and he doesn't seem to make the same mistake twice a lot. Um, that kind of feeds into that course, uh, course management stuff that you notice

where I think 16 was a good example. He hit in that bunker and yeah, he just, you know, the, the CBS broadcast or calling it out just short, I mean, he kind of does exactly what all the people sitting in the tower and, you know, who have the privilege of just being like, oh, this is what he should do. And then he just does it. You know, it's like, Whoa, it's crazy. He kind of has the, the, like the best features, I would say of what we always praise Dustin Johnson for in terms of, I don't want to say levelheadedness, cause he does have a, like a temper streak, but just like a not getting in his own head,

not getting overly mental about the game of golf. He seems to do that, truly do that better than anyone. I mean, you know what? I forget whoever came up with the phrase like about Jack Nicholas, like sports psychologists go to see him, like to learn about sports psychology. It's like he's he's like the next dude of that frontier of like taking the game of golf to an entirely new level. I'd say without like the physical traits that Tiger had,

physical ability to hit the ball, like it, I don't know. There's something truly admirable, admirable at the way he approaches the mental side of the game. It is. And that's where the only counterpoint or counterweight I'm gonna throw is like conditions. And I keep going back to Pinehurst. Maybe that was just a weird week. But he seemed just totally flummoxed by you missed it. You know, you hit it off the fairway and it's like a total draw. What the hell is this? You know, whether it's a good lie or a bad lie. He just looked like a

different person. And I think that's like, I think that's almost the most interesting because it is very interesting to watch him dominate. But I think story one be with him going forward over the next couple of years is just how does he handle those moments? Because I think that's the most interesting thing left with him is like, man, I've seen you solve the chess game and beat. I've seen you beat the computer. Yeah. Can you play speed chess? But can you? Yeah. Yeah. Can you play speed chess? But can you Yeah, exactly. And then what and like that's where he should he should be that dude too. And I just think it's so fascinating. So I was square. Yeah, exactly. It was so weird to pinehurst to see him like flummox because that's a place

where you have to control the shit out of your golf ball because it's so firm and like, yeah, and so yeah, but I mean, Scott or Sally, I'll push back a little bit on like the physical trace thing. Like, I mean, even including Tiger, like, I don't think I don't think I've ever seen somebody who's like as good a hand eye coordination as he has. It's crazy. Like Tiger, like they did change a guy like he was any wedges

into par fives when he came out. Definitely isn't the bomber. I mean, yeah guys feel like I saw in person this week. But he's also not trying to be. And he's playing within himself. He's now driven in that Thursday-Friday pairing. And comparatively on tour now, a lot more people look like Scotty than looked like Tiger when he was in his peak is more of what I meant. That's what I would say is he's almost to where Tiger was

and so is everybody else. He's the closest we've seen. The golf courses have not expanded at the same proportion. Yeah. But he's the closest we've seen to Tiger as far as controlling his golf ball. Yes. Rory won a different way.

Jordan won with just black magic and putting it seemed like. Voodoo. You know, yeah, and it's like, I mean, Bryson sheer force force of power Brooks by like blunt force, like just consistency and making a bunch of 15 footers and hitting into the middle of the greens was like, Scotty kind of has that that it thing thing that Tiger did a little bit. And I don't know. I can't believe I'm saying that, but I am.

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We are going to start with you. I, and I understand the assignment tonight. I ain't going to set it at 7.5 Okay, so that's that's where you think the even money would be on either side I think so it taking in the recency bias of like oh my god what we just saw Aquaman He's never gonna lose again. I think 7.5 with with how many Masters he has left. I think that's it I mean I might I might take the over but I think 7.5 then you look at who has

more than 7.5 majors. I don't know, man. So I feel like the money like the the betting line is probably lower than that. But I want to kind of go over that which is maybe stupid. Two things to say in the same sense. Want to God seven and a half is like, that's so many. Let me again. So that's a decent line. I did it. I hit the shot, but you don't fall out of trees, man. I don't

know. Oh, fuck it. Neil, I'll take the over. I'll take the over. But I think he gets to who are you taking away from? But you got it. You got to get you got a solid Me I'm taking at least four away from Colin maybe five Those are those are your majors you granted them. So exactly if you're giving them back, that's great for us I was thinking they've been in my lockbox. Do you think like would it shock you if Colin didn't get another one? Like shock you shock you absolutely. I think he'll get one more It wouldn't shock me if he wouldn't with the way the distance trend is going in golf but I don't I don't necessarily think he won't get another one but it would not shock me what's

your over under teach I mean I think seven and a half is good I'll ride with Neil TC and I'm gonna take the over score Neil yeah I think something has a fair one I'm gonna go with eight or nine. I'll go. I'll go eight. What's guys, I reached out So he can't in good conscience. Exactly. Participate in this inflationary environment. Guys, I reached out to the folks at at Fandol to get the line on

career major championships for Scotty Scheffler by 2040. At minus 110. It would be minus 110 on both sides of this. They're going to see if they can get this up by tomorrow. The over under they 110 on both sides of this. They're going to see if they can get this up by tomorrow. The over under they said is nine and a half. Really?

Whoa, folks. I was fucking flabbergasted. Nelly corner territory. I thought you were going to go higher Neil and I was going to praise you for it. I was blown away. I was being smart with seven and a half the aggressive even that's wild nine and a half. I thought that was aggressive even. That's wild.

Nine and a half. Like how old is he? Admittedly a good line. That's kind of the territory I'm thinking. I just thought that was unrealistic. He's 28 years old. I just thought I was an idiot. So I mean where you going?

That's 29 next month June June 21st So that's everybody but three players in the history of the game. That's on only Jack Tiger and Walter Hey, what if his black what if his back just blows up that? I actually college. I don't feel like he the way his feet move I feel like the guys have back problems, you know have really solid bases like they're they're I feel like the guys have back problems, you know, have really solid bases. Like they're, they're, um, like, you know what I'm saying? Like I look at JT is similarly the way he gets up on his toes and his lower body, like releases the tension on the knees in the back.

Um, whereas you look at like Zala Torres or Jason day, they're like, so they got such a firm base and it, there's just no give there. Tiger was that way too. Or it's like, there's like a snap in the leg. That's, that's what I feel like wears them down, but that's as amateur of a opinion as you can get so We should be Greg Rose and see if What am I saying I gotta pull up. Oh my god

I'm a physio expert. So again this is a holiday and Express last night. This would be more than Hogan Player Watson who all won their majors in a period that was not this deep in professional golf Oh, not even worse in fire close hit by that bus though, which I think that was unfortunate damaging to his chances So I mean that I thought I was gonna say eight as well TC That that's why I put the number at seven and a half. Is everybody gonna go under that doesn't feel fun. I I I Would have probably gone under seven and a half, but now it's nine and a half I'm like, all right must be over like it like that's fucking insane. Well, I Look at sorry as a worry at like 11 after he won the Masters, you know, no, I don't, I didn't, I don't think I did. I, I, I feel like,

I feel like eight or nine for Rory is still in, in the ballpark, but double digits for Rory. He's older, man. Like that's, there's just not that much time left. I feel like Scotty, I look at him, I think as my, as my amateur physio table Montes. I don't feel like he's Like his swing is prone to like a golf injury He doesn't seem to have a lot else he wants to do like off the course like wants to watch the office you know, he seems pretty happy and content like Just hanging out at home like seems like a pretty simple guy like that all bodes well for like

He's not gonna be in the kill house like doing Navy SEAL exercises, you know, like there's no I don't think he's gonna get bored with all I guess So I yeah It feels 10 plus feels doable that it just looks it's an entirely different lens to view Like his career through it like honestly that got me super hyped. When I saw that I was like, holy shit. So he would know we're gonna do this. Two more basically, he would he would need to win an average 1.5 majors more for the next like what six years. Well, it depends on the timeline you're talking about. By 2040.

So he's got 20, 14 years to win six Seven more to go over that so one every two years of the next 15 years Which when you say like that, it doesn't sound like that much but there's a reason like what if he what if he keeps cooking? That might be his biggest thing right here. I answer this right now. Does scotty win another major this year oakmont royal port rush? I don't think so to dj's point earlier. I don't don't think that the I don't think he solved those riddles yet. I Don't feel like they set up that well for him But I also picked him not to win this week. So yeah, I'm a moron. I'm caught up. I think Oakmont I'd be I don't see Neil. I'm I kind I mean, this is a true Rob Lowe, you know, hope everybody has fun,

but I'm kind of with you, your opening take of just like, man, I don't know what's going to happen, which is sick. You know? Yeah, it's Rory, Bryson, Xander. It's like Aquaman versus John Rom's big buff Bryson. You know, it's like, it's, it's. We got Rob dying in a, in a post credit sequence there, you know, like that's crazy. Forgot about that guy.

You said something really, really interesting earlier that I think is a major feather in Scotty's cap. And that's that I don't think Bryson gets enough credit for not doing TGL. Scotty. Or Scotty, Scotty. Bryson would have been the first one to do TGL. Yeah.

Yeah, it's such a small little thing. But deal to your point of just kind of want to stay home and watch the office. Like, yeah, imagine something like Scotty. Scotty's eight. I can picture the seed. You know, he's sitting there having a, you know, Trent, a strawberry refresher with inclusions and you know, his agent hands of a PDF printed out PDF. Hey, uh, and Scotty's just like, what? So it's what? It's a simulator league and I'm on a team, but I'm like,

but it's a city I don't live in. Like what? And I got to wear a uniform, but like I've got all my like, no, I think I'll just, this sounds stupid, right? Like I'm not going to team. I'm a part owner. I don't have any interest in that. Yeah. No, I think I'm just, no, thanks. We have plenty of towels. Thanks. I'm just going to $45 million winning golf. Right. Yes. And that's where it's like you get to that point with a couple of these guys where I feel like the light bulb kind of goes off.

Right. It's like, no, no, no. But you got to think about the financial upside of like, what if he's like, no, I just I made like $65 million last year. Good. Like for like for what? What do you say? I could buy like a cool car or year. Good. Like for like for what what he was like a buy like a cool car. Or like a house like I could buy literally anything I want.

My car escalate for 15 years, man. I just offloaded it to dance. Yeah, no, I'm good, man. Bacon was saying this bacon was saying this to, another lens to view this through is like, Scottie's also won a gold medal and also won two players. Like probably like fifth and sixth biggest tournaments. And I know Olympics maybe isn't there immediately,

but like in 20 years, will we view it that way is kind of the point he was making. I was like, man, it's a pretty darn interesting case. Can I? Yes, like tin foil hat with all the things going on with the world is, you know, SSG and all of the investment and you know, are somebody trying to buy the Ryder Cup and are they trying to bring this and that together? Is it a non zero chance that players' championships

retroactively become majors? Like if you look at it and you're like, no, no, no, these years, like all those same guys were there. I don't know. The majors, like I know that sounds ridiculous, but the majors have always just kind of been whoever the sports writers,

whatever events the sports writers think are majors. So it's not like there's like a board that decides or something. I don't want to be around when that happens. I don't either but I don't want to like go that was retroactively given Fred Funk a major is just it doesn't quite feel right. I just wonder if we're I for no but that's the one that's where I think it would get really hairy and messy is like no no that one doesn't count. Well no he won the players after it became a major, even

though, you know, it was the same. Now that's the only one going to be two of his major wins were pre major. Now I just take it away. Put that on the list of till 2040. Watch, you know, watch this space. Scotty majors, the Rasmus stuff. And you know, what happens with the players vis a vis major championships. In solid just continuing to crunk us up on the, uh, he drafted Scotty. After I hold on, let me ask you guys this, you guys played Oakmont last week or the week before,

like, do you think what, what makes you think that it sets up for Scotty or doesn't set up for Scotty? It's like, I think it sets up as good for Scotty as it does for anybody else. I just think it's really fucking hard to win the U S open on like the most demanding test of golf in the world. And it's you're going to get some bad luck or you're going to get some a bad draw or something like that. And it's, it's truly like 150 guys versus one like I'm probably taking 150. Yeah, I think the question is it Scottie versus the field? What are you taking? Like the math would 100% tell you to take the field is that Scottie versus the field, what are you taking? Like the math would a hundred percent tell you to take the field, like that would be the smart play. But am I taking Scottie against anybody else sitting here right now?

Fuck no. Well, the thing that you kind of said at the top, like he won with his B-minus game. Yeah, I'm going with him. I don't know if he could have the left miss and play on the front nine at Oakmont and, you know, hang around. So it's like, because it hasn't felt like he's played his best golf this year now maybe he's trending towards that but like

he hit some some squirrely stuff today didn't get you know punished for it because deejay said it like there's six eight shots or holes where it's like you really got to lock in yeah guys scotty scotty's won 15 times on the PGA Tour now. Of those, only one time was above, like, like north of like Tennessee. That was the Travelers Championship. Every other one. He's won. It's like a Huker, Mason Dixon line. Never won in the Midwest. Phoenix, Bay Hill,

Matchplay, and one more Masters. He's never won in the Midwest. Phoenix, Bay Hill, Match Play. He won Memorial. Masters. Oh, he did win the Memorial. You're right. Okay. So yeah, two out of, but everything else is either in the Southeast, Texas, you know, Florida. California? I mean, France. He's never won in California. He's won Phoenix twice. But he's also one of the scholars imitational, which is

in Chicago. So what I what I was like where I come back, what makes this super impressive is watched so much frickin golf this week, not that we don't need to do the full quail thing right now. But he he like is almost like giving some of his advantage back by the fact that there's so many safe places around these greens, by the fact that the bunkers are not true hazards at all. He was probably in one of the fewest amount of greenside bunkers. And all of those are going to be bigger penalties at Oakmont. Talk about chipping away at gaining an advantage

on the field, like that should chip away at a better rate because he's just going to hit better shots more frequently than the rest of them. And when he does, like the other guys do miss, they're going to be punished more severely than they were at Quail Hollow, and he won by five. Like that's the game theory playing out. Of course golf is a crazy game.

Anything can happen. You can get hot, you can get cold. Officer Gillis could come through. Exactly. The ravioli could strike again. There's some great Italianists, TC and I experienced in Philly or in Pittsburgh. But on paper, it should set up better for him than Quail Holly even did. Again, he was eighth strokes game off to T and with his He was eighth strokes game off to T and with his like C plus driving game this week, seemingly. So yeah, I see it solid. Well, let's we keep dancing on the Quail Hollow section of this podcast.

Let's do that now. Neil, I know you want you had an opening statement here, I believe. I did. I had a Quail Hollow member text me last night a very thoughtful text Friends with a quail hollow member. Yeah a guy I know and he's back He had some off-the-record stuff, which was you know, which was great yet and he had some on-the-record stuff So I'm gonna read the quote to you is Johnny is Johnny Harris gonna apologize I'm not sure about that quote on the record observation. I wanted to share that I think has been missed by all media is

how often quail crowns truly great players playing their best golf. Since 2005 Wachovia, we've hosted 19 tournaments, including this plus the 2017 PGA winners have mostly been major winners in good form. Prime VJ Prime, Furek 2007 Tiger Rory four times Lucas Glover during his prime shortly after his US Open win. major winners in good form. Prime VJ, Prime Furek, 2007 Tiger, Rory four times, Lucas Glover during his prime shortly after his US Open win, Jason Day, Justin Thomas, Wyndham Clark in the year he won the US Open, and now Scotty, assuming he hangs on tomorrow. Other notable winners have been Ricky Maxx and Prime Anthony Kim. Quail is a big boy

golf course and so often crowns established major winners playing very great golf." I feel like that was, he's not wrong about that and I think for me, I thought about it a lot today. I was like, I think two things can be true, which is that I there's some things I'd love to see them changed shave the rough down on certain holes, but that the it does that the cream did seem to rise to the top as far as if we're talking about a big American style golf course, I think Quail is a, it is kind of proven that it will identify players

that are kind of at the top of their game peak of their powers. And so I wanted to read that out loud to see if that makes you guys think at all. It does not. I think I go back to what Garrett Morrison said. Kerry Hague would never personally, or sorry, Kerry Hague would never put it this way, but the PGA championship set up philosophies essentially. One, don't let the course be the story. This means not letting scores get too high or too low.

Maybe not worrying as much as the USGA does about booking iconic venues. Two, reward a skill set that is commonly rewarded on the pro tours, thereby increasing the chances of big names topping the leaderboard on the weekend. Three, work to limit separation and scoring so that more players are likely to be in the mix on Sunday. This formula can lead to sleepy Thursdays and Fridays, partly because the course and setup are typically

not interesting in and of themselves, but often produces exciting Sundays. It's not my favorite setup strategy. But I can't deny that Hague is very good at executing it. And I think that sums up what you were just saying. It's a 76 7700 yards slog of a golf course that rewards the best drivers in the world. And, you know, into with long irons and firm greens, I think, or long, but I agree. I agree with all that. It's not my favorite type

of golf to watch, but it is a style of golf that if I had, you know, if I had to play the Alan combs here on tonight's broadcast, rip, rip, it is style of golf that you don't we don't see it all the time in majors. So it's like, okay, let's, you know, let's, let's, let's see it. Right. Like how dare you make us all be in one of the four majors.

Yeah. It'd be my pushback there. And also a lot of PGA. Okay. Fair. Yes. Fair enough. But I would say, I know you guys aren't going to disagree with me here.

It was a lot better than it was me here, it was a lot better than it was. I think it's a lot better golf course in Valhalla, so we'll get that out of the way. I think we were all concerned about the leaderboard on Thursday with the kind of no names and the lack of separation. But if you take the full four days into effect, does it soften your opinion a little bit that, you know, other than Rom ejecting, you would have had Scheffler, Rom and, you know, is Johnny Harris going to give you one of those honorary memberships that he gives to all these other guys like Johnson and Taylor's guys.

I'm just trying to zoom out a little bit. Finished T five, Neil. Well, he led the, uh, I think he was second in strokes gained off the tee. I mean, the guy nukes it. That's the point. That's the point. Okay.

I'm just trying to, I'm working. Does the name Derek Ernst mean anything to you, Neil? Like literally you put the best players in the world on any golf course. Like the leaderboard is like, has better chance of looking better than this. Like this is a below average leaderboard for putting the top 100 players on any golf course on any one. So this is great on the last five holes though and hit the shots into 16, 17 and 18.

Like clearly all the players struggled with the course except for him. They should just play 14 through 18 over and over and over again. Why don't we just do that? Like we did at the horrible horseshoe. That should be the whole golf course. Like yeah, take the front nine away. I'm all on board. I walked that front nine twice this week and it's boring. I totally agree. It's like, oh, another 490 yard par four. But I'm just saying some of those shots down the stretch are really, like they really identified like,

whoa, this is the best golfer this week. And even they were like playing really well they they train wrecked. What why are we laughing? You got me with that green mile call. It's just it seems to be Neil that like I don't know what golf course I can't name a golf course that you just described where that's like those things don't happen right like you know there's pines east I mean for the ppc river bend that the travelers no offense to anyone but like they go and bury the 18th hole every time major there yeah what what'd you say they're not hosting a major there that's like one of the shortest golf courses on well I'm saying when you talk you guys are comparing it to a regular pga tour stop and I guess what I'm trying to courses on tour. Well, I'm saying that when you talk, you guys are comparing it to a regular PGA tour stop.

And I guess what I'm trying to say is it is a regular, but I'm saying, I feel like it is a, I would say overexposure is my biggest issue and the short grass stuff. Sorry. I a hundred percent agree with you. And that's all set up. So I'm almost talking about the actual course. Like you could, I think you could make changes to the setup and it could be a lot more interesting. I guess is maybe the point I'm trying to make.

I think we all agree there. They could shave so much of that rough down and create interesting runoff areas and like get the ball running away on the wrong angle. And like, that would be fascinating, right? And I thought the setup at the, at the President's Cup of Coil Hall was really good. Like a really interesting pins. And there were some really good pins this week.

There was some good stuff. Like there's some good features that come alive rarely, unfortunately. Like 12 is by far the best green on the golf course. Like those are, it was super interesting to watch approach shots into that green. Just like that concept does not flow through to the rest of it. I'll tell you this, one of the most damning things I can say, like one of the biggest shots, one of the most important shots we would say was Scotty off of 14T today, and he hits a fairway wood, and it's missing

right of the green and he goes bends down to pick up his tee. And he just goes right in the green side bunker like it like one of the most important shots is just do just hit it right of the green and dump it it's gonna funnel into this bunker and chase and it's going to be, and also the sides of the bunkers are purposefully groomed and shaved. So balls don't stay up on it. So bad lies don't happen. So all the balls funnel to the bottom and you're going to have a very straightforward bunker shot to get up and down to like be the deciding shot of

the tournament. That's where I agree with all that. So that's not going to happen at Oakmont and like, listen, this is what I've said all week, is like, not everybody has to care about this stuff. Like the majority of fans watching on TV, just look at the scoreboard and look at the birdie putts and like that's their entertainment. I get that. But like, I could confidently say TCM, I'm sure you'll agree with me on this, like the best hole at Quail Hollow is not better than the worst hole at Oakmont in terms of like the fear it strikes in the player what it's actually testing and And like the strategy elements that are gonna unplay on this and it's like you're when your ball goes offline at Oakmont

You're gonna be watching to see where it ends up and you're gonna pay a much steeper price That to me is way more entertaining Thursday through the front nine Sunday I like yeah, you get the back nine of any major and it's kind of the same excitement level. But like the path to getting there is very, very different. Like Torrey Pines, I'd say definitely Valhalla, I'd say Quell Hollow. Like people would say, you bitch, you guys bitch about every golf course.

Like literally, it's like five in the last 10 years that have been bad major venues. Like, and they, not literally, if you lay them all out on a timeline from the last 10 years, like, there has to be some that are below average and some that are above average. And quail hall is very clearly below average, if you ask me for a lot of the reasons we've documented this. It's crazy to me that like when somebody says, Oh, yeah, but the

conditioning in that place is great, or the locker room is sick. Like, that's stuff that like, I don't give a shit about and we're having a May like a mid May major in the Southeast. Shouldn't, shouldn't be being played on overseated ride. It slows the ball down too. It's just like the PGA of America, like just choose better fucking golf courses. And like it's all week that they, they prove themselves to be an inherently unserious organization it's absolutely rudderless with like really really bad leadership right now

from it just across the board all sorts it started with that press conference earlier this week with don rey pastor don d i don't disagree with you guys at all. I kind of am playing the Alan Colmes because I almost suspended my frustration with the golf course and I just really enjoyed watching the golf today. And I think I really enjoyed watching the back nine, I guess is what it came down to. And I think you guys are very valid in saying, well, that's not good enough to host for a major. You know, like that's kind of what you're going to get week to week on the PGA Tour. But I don't want to get hyperbolic about Quail being just an all out bad golf course. I almost

think it could be- All week, it's not a bad golf course. No, I know. So I'm almost trying to reiterate that a little bit. Just doesn't meet the bar for a major in our game. Correct. And I put that note that this member sent me, just kind of reading through the winners, there's a lot of PGA tour stops where those people aren't rewarded year in, year out. You know what I mean?

You do get like rogue winners. And I think it's worth shouting out that Quail, like as a PGA tour stop year to year, and as a major venue, it does kind of, like the cream does rise. So I guess my problem with that, with the cream rising is kind of this trend in golf of lengthening golf courses and playing to bombers hands and considering that to be the

cream, right? Because like that, there's way more weeks of PJ Tour golf than there are major championship golf. So like, somebody who's really good at driving is going to end up becoming a more recognizable name. And part of the again, this is where you like start unpacking the technology stuff we can get down. We'll talk about a closed shop. That's a closed shop that you're talking about. So yeah, a huge wormhole of like, are the right skills being rewarded, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah. And like the worst technology gets the, the fewer golf courses exist that like fit in this range of what I would personally, I think TC and I are very similar in terms of the golf courses we'd like to see guys play on and where the shots become the most interesting, right? Like I just comparing, comparable sake, like the PGA, this kind of is what the PGA is at this point. Like there's not a lot of great PGA setups I can point back to that are like, that's my guy, that's what I wanted.

Go back to Kiowa, like that was a fun one,, a lot of elements in that one's still kind of a little bit too much rough in there. But compare this to like, Shinnecock Hills. And compare this to, I mean, almost any of the US Open courses that aren't Torrey Pines. And it's very clear the venues PGA, the PGA of America, are selecting are inferior than the other organization that hosts a rotating major in the US.

And I get to the different championships. I'm just saying in my opinion, I don't like the way the PGA has trended in recent years. This was the toughest stretch. It gets a lot better after this one. I think I have the venues, the future venues, if you don't have in front of you, we're going to Aronomic, Frisco, Olympic,

this for all, Congressional, Keowa, Southern Hills, probably Oak Hill, and then Frisco again. That's a better stretch than this last two. We can put Valhalla and Quail in the rear view. I don't think they're going back to those courses. I think they would admit defeat on this. The current regime is stuck going to this when it was decided before they got here. It gets better, not a ton better, but I don't think the discourse is going to be as strong over the next several years for this term. I agree. And I applaud the CBS folks for not just glazing Johnny Harris nonstop today on the broadcast as they typically do. I think to everything you're spelling out, Neil, I also think that it could be worse, right? Like that's maybe the...

I guess that's what I'm saying, right? Like that's maybe the- I guess that's what I'm saying. I don't want to lose the plot here, where I was like, I don't, you know, I wasn't- This is just over-explosed. I was frustrated with the course, but I'm not like infuriated. I wasn't infuriated by it, you know?

I'm like, oh yeah, the front end's kind of boring. The fourth hole sucks. You know, this is like pointless, you know? I'll say the infuriating part. The infuriating part, Neil, is like five, I don't know the exact number, but like maybe like five changes, it could become legitimately quite interesting, right?

Or solid, if they just straight up didn't make changes, like this course in 2008 or 2010 was great. And every successive change that they've made has made it worse. Yeah, so TC, your criticism of the PGA of America and the setup, I think I'll ride with you there. And, Solid, you too, I mean, I could not like, I'm with you, brother, on the- Some is PGA of America and some is the design of Quail, though, also. Like, that rough, between, like, the rough right of 7 Fairway, like, this great water feature down the par 5 7th,

that rough is always there. That's not a PGA of America thing. Get rid of that. Bring the hazard closer to the water there. Imagine the 18th at TPC Sawgrass with 20 feet of thick rough between the Fairway and the water. So don't give him any ideas, man. I guess that's the only infuriating part is it's like, it literally is that one repeat

where it's like, you could do that, change out on seven, change it on 14, change it on 16 green, change it on 17, change it like the creek on 18. The 18 is an awesome hole, except that like half the balls that should have been in the creek were in the rough. I think if anybody has access to the broadcast and just an abundance of free time, making a super cut of the announcers watching balls bounce into the rough and say, Oh, he'll be okay there. It is like that would sum it up in a much more succinct way. I think. Well, listen, I know we haven't

done a lot of leaderboard stuff, but I do want to. I want to go here instead, actually, before we turn into Hannity and Colms. Well, I just like Colms. I got my ass. No, I like it. I like it. No, you're just asking questions, man. I like it. We're doing I do want to talk about the PGA in general a little bit because TC you kind of you kind of dance up to this line a little bit, but I don't think it's controversial to say that the PGA championship has become a pretty distant fourth in the major championship lineup.

I'm curious, you know, we just spent a lot of time talking about venues. Is that the main thing you guys would ascribe that to? And please, if you disagree on this being the fourth, also raise that. Yeah, I think the biggest winner this week, aside from Scotty was the USGA. Like, yeah, hey, like we have the serious major here. Yeah, no, I think venues, I think, I mean, even just it was disappointing, but like if somebody is going back and watching, like I got flack for pointing out, hey, all these corporate hospitality boxes are empty. It's we are a lot of them are empty.

Somebody DM me on that. You see, I don't know why they didn't DM you because I don't really care. Is everybody's hanging out? All these corporate hospitality boxes are empty. Or a lot of them are empty. Somebody DM me on that, TC. I don't know why they didn't DM you, because I don't really care. Is everybody just hanging out in the air-conditioned? No, apparently all those seats are in the sun, and the seats were scalding hot. So everybody was standing in the back of the hospitality.

That was what I was told. I was like, OK, I'll pass along. Cool, chalk another one up for the PGA of America then. Who could have seen that? Yeah, it's very unpredictable where the sun's gonna be at certain times. Yeah, yeah. It's like Jerry Jones can't see the seats. They're gonna get they're gonna get burned. You know, the most again, this is where I'm this

is not my kind of a not my circus not my monkeys situation here. But you can't really argue with the set of philosophy because to your point, Neil, it does produce a lot of good champions and most people don't give a shit more than that. And if that's working for the business, then it's not my business. Do whatever makes sense. What I would point out as a massive business difference, especially having just been at Port Rush, is just look at the grandstands at Oakmont. Look at the grandstands at Port Rush, look at where they are putting the focus of who they wanna take care of, right?

The open, the US Open, almost try to outdo each other with how much public seating they have around the 18th hole and what an atmosphere they're trying to create. One thing I wanna point out, Richmond Huston. Richmond Huston from Midland. Exploding. And also you gotta eliminate LACC from this part of the conversation. One thing I want to point out, Richmond Houston. Richmond Houston from Midland. We're exploding. And also you got to eliminate LACC from this part of the conversation.

You're right, you are right about that. But again, I don't know how the business model works, but it's like when you see, I don't think you can do much in our position. You see club magenta taking up some valuable real estate. Yeah, I don't think you can do much in our position other than compare it apples to apples, right? And when it's like, man, that one, and that one, like those just look so much better. Like,

wouldn't it be better for people who buy a ticket, like be able to see the golf on 18? That seems like, and then, and then Donry, like, you know, and like the tickets are like 300 bucks, which I think they, I know they have food, they have, they do have inclusions, no water, no inclusions. Can you imagine, just real quick, anybody who's well versed in the Starbucks universe, can you fill me in if a strawberry refresher with no water is just like straight concentrate? A Trenta strawberry refresher with no water. Is that like 30 ounces of just like... Who drinks that Pete Patrick, that's his epic video for I can't believe, you know,

I'm sure for people that don't spend, you know, 900 hours on the internet every week like I do, there's this fucking I don't even know where it came from. This epic video of him going through the Starbucks drive through it. He just rattles off this is this order. He goes, Hey, what's up, man? Yeah, two Trenta strawberry refreshers, no water, no inclusions. Thanks. And apparently no inclusions means like the chopped up fruit. It's just anyways, I just that's like hummingbird nectar. Wouldn't it be with like no water? That's psychotic. What were we talking about? We were talking about just, just generally, yeah, grandstandstands. There just wasn't that much juice out there.

It got better on the weekend a little bit because the banker, all the mid-level back office bankers got free from their jobs and they could come out on the weekend. But even then it was just, and then Don Rhee calls it the best fans in all sports. You know what? I don't think another non-controversial take, I don't even think anybody there would argue. I just don't think the fans at Quail Hollow are unequivocally the best fans of all sports. I don't think that's controversial to say. I think there's a lot of, surely not even the best in North Carolina.

Could still be good fans. That doesn't mean they're bad fans. But the best fans is, you know, Pastor Don's getting hypervolical. Come on. Somebody made this point too, it's like the the especially Thursday, Friday, the super sparse late crowds in the day, even the top players out there is just means it was all local people that were there that went home and like nobody traveled in for it. Like that's essentially representative of

that. Yeah, well, and it's just corporate. It's just all corporate, right? And like corporate interest and I get that that's important. But I've had so many people in Charlotte, members of the club, just people that have, that were riding for Charlotte be like, well, we have so much corporate support though. I'm like, I don't give a shit. Like that's not what, that's not what gets me excited about.

Oh my God, we spent, you know, we signed up so many of these Fortune 1000 companies for large hospitality boxes or to support the 31,000. It's like, I don't care. Is the golf tournament good and was it loud and knowledgeable fans there? I'm not trying to huck them, but has anybody talked, anybody checked on the 31,000 in a while? Because everyone that I have is like doesn't seem to be like doing it. Yeah, it seems like maybe that's a tough, tough, tough, tough job. And it just seemed like there's a disconnect there.

Well, Don went on TV two on Saturday and referred to him as the 30,000. So I don't know if like they axed 1000 of them this week. Like that was I don't know. Uh, guys, let's get to John Rahm because he threatened to win this golf tournament ultimately finishing at 400 T8 final round 73. Soly what was the biggest takeaway just seeing Rahm in the mix again? It was great to see Rahm like gas pedal down full force and the feeling of like,

oh, that's right, he is one of the best players in the world. One, we only get to see it four times a year now, and we didn't get to see it last year at all. He was not competitive in majors. And to get to see the full force and the very real threat, I was like, my God, he is gonna run. He already ran down Scotty. At one point, he got, I think, the odds never flipped.

It never got more than 50% that he was going to win. But at 4.57 PM when he tied first place, he got to 39% win probability with Scotty dipping all the way to 50. And it quickly, quickly, quickly reversed from that. I mean, it was honestly pretty disappointing for him to not, the putz that he hit on 14 and 15, if that had happened to somebody like Rory, we would have spent the first 30 minutes of this podcast railing on him for missing... for the effort that was given on those two putts. And then the explosion that happened on the green mile was just... yeah. We're probably giving Ram a pretty great pass waiting an hour 10 into into discussing how that that how that one finished up It is she double double animal style was and was tough to your point Neil like there there you go

Those are the shots that of consequence on the golf course, right? I mean 16 He that's what I mean, like you're watching big name players just blow it and Bryson did the same thing on 17 on on Saturday So that's that's where I guess where I was coming from with Quail is like, man, I saw some places where a guy separated, you know, or where you saw a guy like Noren on Saturday step up. And it's like, wow, that's like a real test, I guess, is what I would call it. And I would say I don't think the beef is with the last five holes at Quail. Yeah. So then we can find community on that.

Even the haters, I think we all say like there's, you know, there's some demanding golf shots in the final five holes, and 12 I would say as well. 13 is kind of meh. I do, speaking of 13, I do want to go to the moment where it kind of flipped for Rahm. I'm gonna throw it to Neil, but this is gonna be, I believe, our Yeti coldest moment of the week. Thank you to our friends at Yeti serving up this week's

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And I just wanna shout out CBS and ESPN. I thought the entire week, I thought it was a fantastic broadcast and today was awesome. I really enjoyed watching it. I thought it flowed really well. And this worm cam of this putt, you know, sometimes they go to this, this angle and they don't get rewarded for it. Like a guy just, you know, it's like, ah, damn, he didn't even sniff the hole. Which I guess is kind of also. This putt was tracking. It was in.

I mean, I've never seen a better putt. And I cannot believe he did. You can see his foot in the very tip top right of the screen where he was starting to walk it in. I went back to get this screenshot because it just stuck with me. I was like, how did that not go in? And that was right then.

That doesn't go in. And he didn't react. Sometimes Rom freaks out. He had like, how did that not go in? And that was right then that doesn't go in and he didn't react. You know, sometimes Rom freaks out. He had like kind of a small reaction to it, but everything he had so much momentum, he had made a putt on the previous hole to, uh, to tie the lead and, uh, or maybe two holes before. I can't remember. Um, but this putt not dropping just kind of, that was it.

It iced all of his momentum. And, uh, he he just he just like ejected after this and this putt this ball was halfway in and it was god I can't believe it this didn't go in and I was kind of bummed it because I thought we were gonna get a duel down the stretch but this is my coldest moment of the week. Rom's putt, birdie putt on 13 at Quail Hollow. Well again, shout out to our friends at Yeti. This week's coldest moment. I cannot shout out that that Hondo Beach chair enough. If you're tailgater, if you're tailgating adjacent, that's it. DJ, you sportsman. You're comfortable entering

youth sports. I will echo, I think I saw a post from you earlier today shouting out ESPN and you know, Van Pelt, always a pro. I just think like they only, they show up like once or twice a year to do golf and you know, like just really good. And then the smooth transition over to CBS, I feel like CBS is running on all cylinders right now. So I know we rail on golf broadcasts. We've made a career of it.

I just want to, again, shout them out for what I thought was an awesome day of golf, golf watching from home. This is the only cold water I want. I mean, legitimately, I went back and looked at the Twitter timeline from 2021 when Brooks and Phil were dueling and people were fucking furious about the commercials like every reply was just about the commercials like they just

bombarded us and they've ruined. They tried to ruin one of the great duels of our time and like I felt none of that this weekend, like especially Saturday. It was ridiculous that that that face on shot on the T with the roving drone tracer. So they've gotten so good. And then they snap right when the ball lands, they snap to the shot of it hitting the fairway. It's like syncing up three cameramen to do that. Like, and

they probably did it 25 times today. I mean, it's just really, really good TV. When you get to see the the ball from the the blimp or the drone or whatever they're using up up in the air. I just think it's like it was really, really engaging to watch. It's high level shit. Yeah. Back to, back to Scott, to Rom. I feel like the Rom Scotty rivalry was a bit underrated and kind of in a

budding phase before Rom went and left for live. Like these guys play each other in singles at Whistling Straits, had a rematch again at Rome. They traded the green jacket back and forth twice with each other. Like they were the number one number two players in the world there for a considerable period of time. Like it was just really refreshing to see them tied at the top of the leaderboard at a certain point today of and going to head to head in a major chair did not

last very long. But that was a frustrating moment in one that we don't get to head in a major change. It did not last very long, but that was a frustrating moment in one, that we don't get to see Ram a lot more often, but two, thankfully, first time in the year and a half since he's gone to live, we did get a Scottie versus Ram showdown of some kind. Granted, Scottie wiped the floor with him, but good to see.

I was more bummed on Ram front. I was more bummed on Rom front. I was more bummed that the bunker shots on 14 and 15 were like really poor. Yeah. That was more of a bummer. Leaving himself on the wrong side of the hole and just really hard putts.

Yeah. He wasn't in the bunker on 15, right? He was just longer. Or whatever, the short game stuff. Yeah, he blew his putt way by on 15. It was tough. Elsewhere on the leaderboard we had Harris English finishing T2, his first major top 10 that wasn't a US Open. Just a fun little stat, three major top 10s, all of them at US Open. So first one for him away from the US Open.

He had an interesting press conference or spent some time with Amanda afterwards. And he was like, yeah, I was reading Puts. He didn't have to do that, Neil. He did not have to do that. He was very gracious to do that. But he was like, yeah, my caddy was reading all my Puts today. He never does that. But I was just struggling to read Puts.

And he's like, I don't know if I'll stick with it. I thought that was interesting. Again, kind of the shit I want to hear from players. Am I asking too much to have them just stop by and drop a few jewels on me? I don't know. We might get to that in a little bit here. TC, anything else you want to say on Harris? I know that's your guy.

I just think he's really, really good and I think he has enough game to win a major championship at some point. Like he's, he's that good. And if you talk to his peers, that, you know, a he's a just a great dude, but I think he's, he's absolutely flushes the ball and he can roll the rock and it's, you know, premium iron player. I love me some Harris English. I'm I'll ride with their TC. What, what would it take for you to call a finish a backdoor top? Top to finish because I feel like this one might qualify If this if this was big tone finishing t2, I don't think we would you would be I feel like at one point Like DJ was like it won't like he made a joke about Davis Riley earlier

He's like and Davis Riley makes bogey and falls from a tide for second to 63rd. Like it felt like half the field was tied for second at one point today. I don't know. I mean, on a day when what was the average scoring average today? I can pull that for you. I can get that for you. 72.15 average. 1.1 over par. Yeah, I think, I don't know. That's bested the average scoring by seven and a half shots. Just call them like I see them. I'm just I'm just I'm think it's a fair question. So it is but also but also like when you've got all those tough holes in the back of the round like that. I feel like that also kind of, you know, makes it more

volatile as well. You get the scoring holes there on, you know, 1415 and then it's like hang on for dear life. And he shot 31 on the back nine. I mean, it's like really freaking good. It's just coming across the wire that Davis Riley made a triple on the seventh hole today and finished tied for second at this PGA. I feel like we're gonna, we're gonna look back at this Wikipedia yellow and be like Davis Riley finished second at Quail? I think we're gonna forget about this one. Somebody was asking a question earlier. Does Davis Riley have two first names or two last names? I would say two last names. I've met more people with those as last names, I would say.

I agree. It's a good question It's another good question. You guys are asking a lot of good questions today We mentioned Davis Riley Riley Davis Good hell of a player You know, I don't have a ton a ton more in the notebook on him unless unless anybody else know the other guy that finished He too though. I feel like we Bryson Bryson to Shambo one under 70 today I feel like we tend to be talking about good competition. That's kind of where I was getting to. Bryson DeChambeau, one under 70 today.

Guys, it felt like at the turn, he should have been leading by about three, with Scottie just kind of fumbling around, and Bryson having about 35 yards into every hole from the middle of the fairway, and he just could not fucking get it going. God, it was like, as somebody who bet on Bryson this week, exceedingly frustrating. Oh yeah, you owe me 20 bucks. I do owe you 20 bucks. You had to sweat it though for a second yesterday. I did. You had to sweat it for a second. Just a

second. Neil, what did you see from Bryson this week? Well, I want to save it for my T's and D's. Okay. So I'm going to sit this one out. TC, what was your takeaways from the big golfer? Other than the blow buys that he had on Thursday. The orthotic blow buys. His shoes were kind of cool today though. The blue and gold Reeboks, I was down with those. He said in his post round with Amanda, which he didn't have to do. Very gracious.

He said he's got some tricks up his sleeve. I'm going to check you out too TC. post his post round with Amanda which he didn't have to do. He said he's got some tricks up his sleeve. I quote I just got to get some equipment I got to get some equipment in and I was like I ordered it. Yeah I was on Amazon last night. I cannot wait to see what that means because Kevin Moore the professor had some some good posts on X, the everything app this weekend just about Bryson. Man, he's just such a predator with everything except for his short irons and his wedges,

and the swing just straight up doesn't work. Frustrating to watch, man. I mean, obviously, led the field and strokes gained off the tee. The places he was driving it into, I don't know even how to explain some of those spots, man. Here's the quote, here's the quote. Are those changes you can make before now in the US Open? Bryson, I don't know.

I'm gonna work my butt off to make that happen. It's all to manufacturing. We'll see what happens when I'm keen on finding something and I'm keen on improving. I'm excited for that. It's all to manufacturing. That's like something of it's like a war plan. A lean like Six Sigma, you know, the lean

Justin time production. I don't know if we're gonna get the parts Toyota. So how do you explain these Q4 laws? It says it's not manufacturing, man. Or do you want me to do printing? Yeah, I'm telling you shit boxes out there. Q4 loss. No, it's, he said- Talk to fucking manufacturing, man. What do you want me to do? He's doing 4D printing. Yeah, I'm telling these shit boxes out there. And then this tariff environment, I mean- God, that's so good.

We need, God, we just need him around. You made the week so much better, man. And it's just, I don't know. I'm still asking about Paolo, Paulugetti's tweet about, why is he, why is he acting like Indiana? J. Oh God, that was so good. It, this is maybe another kind of like simple observation, but Bryson

is there's never been a better golfer in the entire world. Like you always hear those stories about Ben Hogan being such a flusher and just being so pissed that putting was part of the game and Bryson's ready to get banned. Yeah, it's trying to get a band to try to be like, no, you should just be whoever hits it closest to the hole. Like you get a point. There should be a point scale. And like Bryson is the modern day equivalent of that of just like man, I love golf because you got to hit driver. You got to hit

irons. You got to hit wedges. You got to be able to putt it like you got to add all those up together. And Bryson seems to just hate a couple of those things and be like super human at the other ones. And it's just it's just really fun to me. It really, really tickles me that that he just can't solve some of these other these other aspects of the game and that those aspects of the game even exists. Not like he's an offensive lineman you know where it's just like dude just decimate that guy across from you and if you if you do

that on every play you're gonna be in the Hall of Fame like he's taking that tactic but it's like well no also you gotta be able to throw and run and pass and catch and play defense do all these other things it's just that's why it's the best game. So. Just a shout out to Bryson's recent major championship run. I mean, T6 second, he won, he missed the cut last year at the open and then finished T5 at the Masters and then finished runner up at this one.

Dej, I think we'll take, you know, getting the winner of the Masters and our pick finishing second at the PGA, it feels like we got the board dotted. Feel good about our effort this week. 100%. The tale is for Oakmont. We're on a heater right now.

Pickin' Rory and Bryson, man. How do these guys do it? Well, Neil, I mean, maybe that's just, you know, a back door into your T's and D's. Maybe we go reverse. Oh, you're gonna cut me. No, no, no, and then we're going to come back. I will come back and go down. All right. You know, uh, Cody, we'll, we'll flip it.

I'll go with, I'll go with the, the last one. I'll go with the Bryson one first, but one thing that's thrilled and delighted me. And after hearing what you guys talked about a little bit last night was Bryson leading the field in driving and being, when I pulled this quote, it's 50th. I think he's was a 50th in approach, but I think he ended up like 46 or 47th in approach this week. And the idea that he is outsmarting himself with the single length irons is like, cause it's even the, you know, Navolo and those guys were like, yeah, he just has no distance

control. Like, well, I think it was 12. He hit like 346 yards and it's so fun. It delights me to watch him hit like whale on driver and just he's automatic. I mean, he's really accurate off the tee. It's crazy. And then he can't like, he just can't hit it close with his wedges. And it's so it looks so stupid when he hit what, when he hits wedges too. So it like just kind of makes me laugh It's like maybe and so I think you were talking about last night how You know, he he's hitting eight iron 210 yards

like should he have like a 63 degree way like should he be changing his bag to adjust for that because From 50 and I think he was quoted saying it too like from 50 to 100 yards He sucks but like he puts himself in that position like 12 times around, you know, like 14 times around he has that number. Is his lob wedge single length as well? And like, does he have crazy weird gaps? Because everything is lofted really strong in addition to being long as hell. That's what we were saying last night is like he must have just going off of yesterday where

he hit eight iron on 17 like 196 it was like 196 yard shot or something. So it's like let's just say as eight iron goes 200 yards and everything north of that goes 200 yards like that doesn't leave that many clubs to divvy up over 200 Yeah, exactly 150 yards and I was like, Whoa, that's that's wild. Like, you know, he's he's acts like he's like kind of outsmarted everyone. It's like, no, dude, you're kind of playing yourself here. Maybe not. But also, every time he's done it, he kind of like proves it to be right,

which is where I'm almost like holding where I'm like, God, I fucking made fun of a lot of this stuff. And then he just he just keeps figuring it out and playing really well and ultimately being right. So I don't know, is this the one where he's, he's over the edge or is this the one that, but then, so that's why that quote, I wrote that quote down TC of like, I've got some things up my sleeve. We just, we got to get some equipment in. I was like, oh, maybe he's going to make change in roll irons where like there's, there's a a there's gear effect in your irons. Basically, I think is what he's got up his sleeve.

But I think it's also like talking about the he can't solve for the wind, the wind, you know, because it hit us so high. Like, you know, I'm the only one that has to deal with this. Like having single length, but like a lofted up nine iron is like leading to these problems. Like you can't like loft down the nine iron and de lofted and it and hit it lower. Like it needs getting blown up by the wind. And I mean, it's on the manufacturers though. They gotta get it figured out. Anyway, I just, I gotta kick out of thinking about it. What are we gonna do with this wind?

Starting to think through that made me laugh. And then combine that with this quote after the round. I was like, God, that's just, you're right. Which he didn't have to do, Neil. Great to have him around four times a year. Neil would wear me out though though if it was more. Would you like to do your two other thrills and delights or would you like to hold deferred? No I'll do I'll do my two and I'll end with one that'll lead

into TCs down the leaderboard. So ran Cody I'm going to I'm going to our rate guy. I think the thing that I thrilled and delighted me the most I went through my photos from on course our guy he was a volunteer on the seventh hole, uh, at Quail Hollow. He was wearing, uh, uh, wet bandit gloves, uh, fingerless gloves. He was the rate. He was ready for any rake job you needed. And I just got such a kick out of like that. My guy wearing gloves just ready to, uh, to rake those bunch of complete, just total delight

from this. Uh, I, I, and I mean this sincerely, I love it when people take their job like pride in their work and this guy was all pride and he was ready for anything. He was ready to volunteer that week and it's a shame that they make the volunteers pay. This guy should have been paid for his work. So that was my second thrill and delight. You ever catch a like plastic fiberglass whatever like splinter on one of those rakes? No, but I got nothing but love for this guy. It's horrible. I support the gloves decision, especially if you're doing that all day. I thought you were going to talk about a different rate guy. TC, I know you feel me on this.

Brendan Porath of the Shotgun Start Friday had a tweet today about how the PGA of America was working with a memorabilia dealer called quote the realist. Yes, not not I.S.T. This week they've enshrined the rake that Jonathan Vegas hit on Friday with his with an auction and display on site. Of course, we'll remember Jonathan Vegas hitting that shot. It bangs off the rake, and then it bounces up onto the green. I just would encourage everybody to take a second. We don't have to linger on this. Just go check out this website. Some real jarring stuff being sold out there. Apparently, they sell a bunch of music stuff.

Neil, there was a bunch of the tunics from gladiator two on this website, uh, for just astronomical amounts of money, a huge, massive Katie Lang, uh, collection, just memorabilia out the ass from her, a third eye blind collection of like pillows from their green room. Really? I all of that kind of stuff and, uh, this rake and it sounds like it Sounds like the realist may need to sponsor our next memorabilia pod. I was going to say, PJ from Shotgunstar, producer over there, I almost wanted to backchannel connect you and him, TC, because I just have a feeling you guys are going to get in a bidding

war against yourselves for this rake. I think you guys could probably work together and maybe have some sort of shared custody of this thing. It just seems like somebody's gonna buy this as a joke is my whore apps was saying to that, like, I guess the the flag from country music sensation Eric Cole's hole in one was both they both gifted it to him and it was for sale on the real shit. So like, is he selling it or are they

is there two of them is the real is 31 000 getting the proceeds yeah who's getting a cut of this it's just i don't know yeah kind of a follow the money situation all right last one very simple lead writing down leaderboard i get such a thrill out of alex noren's pre-shot routine and i had a picture this is from the b BMW championship last year. But I just I don't think there's enough like unique swings and like unique guys on tour and I was thrilled to see nor and coming off an injury playing good. And it also just is like bunker play and short game and like, you know, it's fun to watch play golf. So good finish

from him. But God, this pre shot routine is so Stressful like what he does with this thing. It's it's It's a lot and they showed it on the range today on the broadcast. It's just like but good for him He doesn't give a shit He's like this is he's trying to get the club in the right spot And I I wish there were more unique swings like this on tour. PC, that I think leads us back in a down leaderboard. I think Noren, I was hoping he would get a top five or at least a top 10, just so we know that he could spend the entire summer at Bisbee. Sure. So yeah, I mean, leaderboard wise,

first of all, I apologize. I guess the Hebrew Hammers are the bulge and roll clubs. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah apologies there So I don't even know if that one already. Yeah, I Guess we left it off at t5 Taylor Pendreth I'm very interested in how you're gonna navigate these next 15 names here TC Harris English great finish at minus 6 bullshit for Taylor Penn is at minus six bullshit for Taylor Pender at minus five. I mean, Taylor, Neil, like to your point, though, like Taylor Pender, fourth in strokes gained off the tee. Okay. Good golf. But flip side, you've got JT Poston, I guess Ben Griffin, pretty far.

Kenny McCarthy. So it's not all bombers on this leaderboard. It's absolutely remarkable that JT Poston didn't gain any strokes off the tee this week. He was basically field average and he finished T5 without his A game today. He did not putt well today, but he was 14th and putting all week, sixth and approached to the green. JT Post, I think it's just a really impressive performance from him. It's like boxing with one hand tied behind your back. This place does not set up for him. Hometown crap. He's from outside of Charlotte, Hickory, Western North Carolina.

Yeah, I don't know. Just pound for pound the best player in the world. Don't skip over Vegas, man. He hung around. Yeah, he hung in. He deserves a ton of credit for not evacuating on Saturday. This just shows you how different, like, 64-70, first two rounds, shoots 73-72 and finishes still T5. Like, it's two different golf tournaments, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, Sunday.

What else? Waco, this was a big storyline down the stretch. Huge. This was the only thing. It. This was the only thing that mattered. Yeah. Yeah. Only thing in question today was, was the frontline going to hold to keep Neiman from his first top 10? And they didn't. They let him post early and rocket up the board as the day went on to get his first ever top 10 in a major. Yeah. That was a back door there towards the end. Ben Griffin, he continues to play awesome golf.

Like, he'll be, should be what? Inside the top 20 in the FedEx Cup after this. Rodney McCarty. What do you think? Wow. Well, there's like four questions there. What was it? Ryder Cup and Ben Griffin.

Do we have to take a look? Oh, sure. He hit a couple good shots today, so he goes straight to the top of the list. I don't know who comes out but well Novak shot 80. I wasn't on that pod but so I do want to apologize for the Novak stuff. Thank you. Finally somebody who's a man of honor. That's kind of the first ding that we've had to suffer as a team. I'm kind of disappointed TC wasted his bullets on the JT post and for Ryder Cup in the slack before he got he got he got back down pretty hard there and didn't want to take that to the airwaves. Back down. I think I think he's he's everything you want on that

squad. He would he would he would partner with virtually anyone. He's a great locker room guy. Reese Yeah, I did a quarter to read that exchange. It's easy. He said he's one of the best putters in the world. I did have to report he's 128th and putting so far. I thought that was. It's easy. He said he's one of the best putters in the world. I did have to report he's 128th in putting so far.

I thought that was strength of his game form is form is temporary classes permanent solid. All right. Danny McCarthy t8. Just like JT posts and one of the best putters in the world. He hold out from the grass from a grassy knoll today just wanted to call that out. But pretty impressive for him to finish T8. I guess pure greens, like he's going to, I guess some of the, you know, un-really-good greens like this, some of the best putters are going to rise. Ryan Gerard remains one of the hottest players in the world. T8 for him. Yeah, 72-70 on the weekend. Joe

Highsmith, Joe the Show LaCava, 2.0 on the bag for him hanging around T8. And then Matt, Matt Fitzpatrick, some signs of life from him. Same kind of deal. 68, 68, 72, 72. Just kind of hang on for dear life. So the next guy at T8 I want to talk about is Keegan Bradley. Yeah, let's do it. So is this stretch 13, 14, 15, birdie, birdie eagle eagle is that like to just rocket up the board Hoover up a bunch of Ryder Cup points? I mean is that gonna just ruin your year that three hole stretch Yeah, I mean my whole thing was like I don't think Keegan's ever gonna get in the top 20 of the Ryder Cup standings That was my whole case. I've been making the whole the whole time So I also your home this week was will he leap Joe

Highsmith in the Ryder Cup same like a bridgeman it was Jacob Bridgman and I said he would definitively I said that he would take it taste it so pick himself I totally agree I think it's like an Armageddon situation you know him trying to find a 12th man. It's like, wouldn't it be easier to just teach the astronauts to drill rather than teach the drillers to be astronauts? Yeah, he's never missed depth.

He's never missed a depth, especially the Ryder Cup. Exactly, why are we trying to find some 12th guy? Like, it's right here. I'm down on this bit. He's being somebody else to be the captain. That sounds much easier. I'm down on this bit to go all the way up until selection because I honestly the replacements you guys have tried to throw in aren't doing it for me. If Keegan was not the captain, this would be a very serious

conversation. Keegan's the captain and he said he's not picking himself and he would take a miracle for him to make it on points. What if, what if, like leadership is all about difficult decisions. We don't have to do this is the whole point. The whole point. All right, just dig it in, man. All right. Just keep. I don't know. There's a lot of people in today's world that change their mind on things. I could see him just be like, yeah, I said that might change my mind. That's what you should do. It would. It does not seem within Keegan's character. It doesn't seem like you want to win this thing, Sally. It just like, it just seems like you want to keep the old boys club together.

That's the key. I don't want them to win. I want them to have fun together and I want it to be the boys. Yeah. Well, I heard that the players are in total control now. Like they're kind of squeezing out the PGA of America completely, including John Wood, which is interesting. So don't like hearing that. Stay tuned. I weirdly like I want to see the PGA of America completely including John Wood which is interesting so don't like hearing that

stay tuned i weirdly like i weirdly trust Keegan to to lead this group i until proven guilty here like i i have i have some faith in Keegan much more of course than ZJ man yeah i don't want to keep taking it i just i think i have much more like faith in him as a player Which he's done for the last 30 20 years that I do as a leader of men, which he's done never What like is he happy? Doesn't matter is give us shit about the Ryder Cup is better than his talent. Like he's not Heard I just don't know that he was good at it Keegan hasn't been good enough for one of these teams in 10 years, and he wasn't even that good the last Ryder Cup he played in.

I mean, sorry, why doesn't he just get your guys from Scouts, Inc. or Stats, Inc. or whatever to be the captains? Then he can play, and it's best of both worlds. I think, because I think some of the legitimate character and team building stuff needs to come from a peer like him. It's somebody that is willing to act a little bit like an idiot and sell himself out in the best way for the team. I think ZJ was only willing to do an impersonation of a captain and not willing to take on any actual responsibility and invoke any leadership

qualities. I feel differently about Keegan. I could be very wrong there. I don't have any insight information. We can litigate that this week. That's really all I got. Mike, good finish for Matt Wallace, T17 for him. Sam Burns was sniffing around T19. Little Corey Connors, Bo Hosler, Aaron Rye, fell back on Saturday, got back into it. Aaron Rye, Harry Hall, Taylor Moore, Cam Davis. Such a sick shot. Things of that nature. Tony Fennell, tough bag nine from Big Tone today, 40 on the back after three consecutive birdies on seven, eight and nine. Guys, I was just, I saw like one shot of Fennell, one putt. I was aghast at his putting, like, I mean, the putt, he's like, yeah, it just, it does

not look right to me. Got that Hideki. Saw Hideki out there grinding in the, in the rain. He's like, I'm it's it just it does not look right to me got that Hideki Saw Hideki out there grinding in the in the rain in the slop. So that was great. Let me give me some of that Yeah, and then I was expecting more from Matt McNeely Foxy and Smalley kind of Fell back t28 for them as the proxy was told right? Tommy What did I say guys Tommy is not going to win this thing.

You called it. Really brave 7070 7670 really he's saving himself for both Oaklawn and Port Rush. Chipped his face off this week. Love to see it. Putter was a little cold. Anything else? Blandy. Blandy. Seven for Blandy. You want to talk about playing with a couple of hands tied by his back. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Blandy was he was averaging 280 yards off the tee. This week, which was 73rd, I think last of all the guys that he's so old. They should have let him beat up on the old this week at

congressional. He pulls his headshot. Like the fact that him and Scotty Shevler played the same sport is crazy. It's so good. He's like he was was he gained six and a half shots on the field with his approach play this week. That's that's crazy. He's a magician with the wedges like him and Bryson would legitimately be the best combo ever. Crazy. Yes. But he gets to play in two PGA of America events and honor the 31,000 again next, next week.

He should be on the Ryder Cup team. Well, going down the window, shout out Wyndham Clark as well for hell is tough. Just it's just a really like I guess the the energy was just really bad in that group all day today. I think Max had a club throw, but the blow pig, you know, 74, not a atrocious round. I think he had seven bogeys or something. But I would recommend every it's floating around on on X, the everything app now.

But I would just go to the on the PGA Championship website. Yeah, it's on the PGA Championship website. It's definitely going to get taken down after we after we say this. So I would go watch it now. But T shot on 16, one of the most like upsetting club throws I think I've seen in a while, the worst I've ever seen from the volunteer. Like, you know, startled, you know, it's it's crazy. Reminds me of 2021. I believe.

And he hit the T-Mobile sign. Which was like perfect. T-Mobile guy shouts a club magenta. Totted the zone. Can we pause on what the fuck was the T-Mobile activation around the 14th hole this week? All that happened was like a grid went on the T-Box and then a weird stat would pop up and it said it was like brought to you by AI

and it just looked like somebody got 10% of the way there with an idea and just said, fuck it, let's go with it. That was the only like- If you ever came up with that idea, probably needed AI to come up with the rest of the ideas, probably. But yeah, tough, tough scene. TC, I didn't quite...

One other thing for Quail Hollow that I want to point out. Only one guy shot 80 on the weekend once it got hard and everything like that. And I think that kind of bears out that even the teeth are just a bunch of pars and bogeys and maybe sprinkle in a double or two. But that was Garret Higgo. Shot an idiot today. Hopefully people were tailing us in those matchups yesterday. TC didn't quite get to T47, which is where we find our guy Rory McElroy, 72-72. On the weekend, I think obviously very, very disappointing at a place that he has won four times and had big, big hopes of winning his second major of the year. I think probably one of the stories of the week are going to be a joint, a tandem of skipping media all four days and also kind of this driver stuff that we talked about last night. There is another wrinkle kind of added to that this week in a golf week piece by Adam Schupack, who talked to Xander about the driver testing that we talked about last night, if you missed last night's show.

The USGA does driver testing for characteristic timing for all of the majors, I believe, and I think most weeks on the PGA Tour, they usually test about a third of the field. It's very, very common for guys to get popped for having a driver that's too hot. And just to kind of cover all of our bases here, ordinarily like a hot driver, something just over the line, usually is pretty negligible distance-wise, feet rather than yards is what people

say. And getting popped is like you just have to replace your driver head. You don't get suspended or anything like that. Yeah. Xander had some pretty strong words as he typically does, which I appreciate and just came out and said, I think they should test everyone's driver. It's not right to just test 50 guys. It doesn't make sense if you're in it for the spirit of the game.

The whole point of it is to protect the integrity of the field. If you don't test everyone across the board, I don't think you're protecting the whole field. I could not agree with that more. TC, I'll throw it to you. What say you? You weren't on the show last night.

What did we miss? What was your takeaway from this? And how does it kind of roll up to the Rory Skippen media all four days? Because I do think that are related. Hey, I thought Xander calling Scotty Scott was really interesting. I took a lot from that. I shout to Alexander there. Yeah, and actually, Scotty said kind of the same thing in his post-round presser. He said,

yeah, my driver was one of the ones that got dinged. Yeah, I think that we should probably be a little bit more militant about if we're going to test, let's just do it right and test them all. I also think like, hey, maybe it's top 10 gets tested after each week. If it's not feasible to test everything every week or during major weeks, let's test the top 10 or the top 20 after every week, you got to give over your driver after the round. You know, I think that's something but yeah, you could certainly figure it out one way or another. But it's just, it's one of those things where like the line gets so blurry where how do you, let's say one of the equipment manufacturers tells a player that, hey, your driver... because

some of the equipment manufacturers take pride in this and test the hell out of them. Some of the other ones have faces that are flimsiest fuck and collapse all the time. I'll let people be the judge of that. What happens if the manufacturer says, Hey, your driver is really hot. It's it's right up on the line. And you probably shouldn't be playing with this one. And the guy plays it anyway. Is that like that's knowingly that's, that's no different to me than breaking the rules. If you test positive, your drivers taken away, like they don't return it to you, at least the driver had they keep. The manufacturer?

Well, so the at the US, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, let's say the manufacturer tested it, or you tested it yourself or whatever. And you're like, Oh, man, this is this is so hot. And yeah, I'm gonna keep playing it until I get thing because there's no, there's no downside. Right. And that's like, it's just like, why have the rule then? Why, like, why not? And so I would like to know, I thought the PGA of America's mealy mouth bullshit was like, Kerry Hague was basically apologizing for the rule and for having tested this week in their statement slash non-statement two or three days after the fact. And just the whole lack of transparency across this is outrageous to me when it's like, all right, this is about the rules of the game.

It should be black and white, right? And if they put the fear of God into guys that, hey, if you're caught playing with too hot a driver, like you're going to get DQ'd or you're going to get a big ass penalty, man, I bet those manufacturers would get really, really serious about this. And I bet guys would really, really make it a big imperative thing earlier in the week. And so I'd like to know personally, when was the last time Scotty's driver was tested? When was the last time Rory's driver was tested? Have they been playing, and through no fault of their own, really, but have they been playing with hot drivers for the last four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks? Who knows? As a fan, I don't think that's an inappropriate

thing to ask. And there were certain people in the media that were acting like, why would we ever want to know about that? It's cut and dry. And I'm not accusing these guys of knowingly cheating. I'm just saying I think it's a relevant thing with the margins this close in the game these days. Well, I think when you leave up open the kind of not even loopholes, just like the uncertainty there is where a lot of the questions, you know, kind of filter in. Right. And that's where, again, Rory, I'm not envious of Rory because you know he's going to be asked about this. You know, TaylorMade wants him to say one thing. You know that he probably wants to say something else. He goes out and is one of the best drivers on planet Earth and then doesn't drive it well this week. It's hard not to make a connection that you're playing a different driver. It just is

a hornet's nest for a lot of these guys that have these very lucrative equipment deals. Don't make it a hornet's nest for a lot of these guys that have these very lucrative equipment deals. Don't make it a hornet's nest. I would actually say the USGA deserves a little bit of criticism here. TC, I agree with you. It feels like they're kind of going through the motions on this. I look at it like there's no conspiracy. Like, oh, Rory's Masters is called into question or they're with it. TPC, Craig James, Like, oh, Rory's Masters is called into question, or the win at TPC, Craig James. Like, can we, you know, like, because you said, like, the difference is kind of a yard or two, according to Michael Kim, whatever. But if we're testing, what are we testing for that?

Like, just make it black and white. It's not a big deal. Just like, as a, as a, somebody who covers the game, I don't really know much about this testing. It shouldn't be a secret. Just get out in front of it or make it easier to understand or test everybody. Well, and then there's nothing worse than somebody's shit being leaked. It just feels... There's nothing worse than somebody's being leaked.

I think Xander's right to be pissed or Rory's right to be pissed in that where Scotty's failed this week too and it wasn't a big thing and that didn't leak. And Scotty said, but also Scotty overcame it and didn't act all glum and offended all week. I'm assuming that's part of the reason that Rory was all bummed. But Scotty said in his post-round presser, like, yeah, I've been playing this driver for a year. I figured we were probably getting up to the line with this one. So. Something just doesn't add up. Like, why? Why test it all? If you're only gonna test a third of them? Why is there no punishment for having a driver over the line? Why? That's where I'm at. So it doesn't really make sense.

So inconsequential. Well, on the punishment front, it would be like, you know, you haven't done anything wrong yet. Right? It'd be different if you're testing after way over or barely over. And it is no, you discern intent either. Let's say, let's say there is a guy that is playing of like knowingly playing a hot driver, every guy on tour has a three wood. That's probably way, way over the limit, but those, those don't get tested. Right.

And I think that it's just a, yeah, it's just an unnecessary gray area. Right. And, and, um, well, you know, can I just say one thing, it's almost less about the testing thing. It's more just a comparison of Rory and Scotty, like, I just handled it like, oh, yeah, but it's just not a fucking big deal. Like, just answer the question. I don't think this Roy's media freeze out is tied. Well, but that's where I don't I guess the bigger story for me this week or

something sticks with me is just a bit of Cold War that's going on with, in quotes, the media and it's like and then you read some commentary online. Well, the media needs to ask. Well, that's what they get. They're asking stupid questions. First off, I can't really think of like a dumb question. Like I can't think of golf media, like offending these guys. I just don't see that. The softest group of softball question. I think it's really additive. Like shout out to Bryson, shout out to Scotty, shout out to Zander. I personally get a lot out of hearing these guys speak. I think they're all very thoughtful.

I've gotten a lot out of Rory speaking the last five to 10 years. He's probably put his foot in his mouth a few times, and maybe that's why he doesn't want to talk as much. But then, I don't know, man. It just feels like you're asking for trouble by making a point not to talk to the media. It just feels unnecessary. asking for trouble by like making a point not to talk to the media just feels unnecessary. And then to, you know, with the Colin stuff earlier this year to like blame the media for like, you know, like not doing their job or asking bad questions. I that's the part

where I'm like, and not even us, like I'm not going to the press conferences, but like talking to Amanda after the round, like I get a lot out of that on the broadcast. I enjoy listening to these guys kind of unpack their round. It's what we do in our freaking film rooms You know like you think I want to talk to the camera after I blow another mega bonus on strap like no But it's fucking good content man like You got to react to it. I don't know truly like that's what the money's for right a little bit I don't think it's too much to ask, man. And to Lowry's point, I wish you'd give me a minute. It's like, I don't know, man. Just like have some fucking self-control

and just handle it like a big boy. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Or like, cool, like take a minute. Go take a shower and have a meal and come back out and talk. I think each night there were maybe six to eight guys that talked and guys denied. The PGA of America just basically didn't have anybody stopping guys or getting them to do flash interviews or anything like that. They probably did, but those people also have no recourse if somebody says no. Yeah, right. Which I think is kind of what's your knowledge there or experience anymore either. Right. But I think there's Friday and there's a lot more Saturday and Sunday. It's just, it just kills me too. Like, like Rory, you're the defendant, like you won the last major, like you're one of the voices out there. The career drain slam and like, yeah, like there's fashion. Yeah. Like that's, that's part of the

deal, man. Like Arnold Palmer or Tiger Woods, Tiger talked all the time after bad rounds. And for him to do it and then do it the way that he did it too with, I guess he got really huffy and made a big dramatic thing of like, absolutely not. I'm not going to talk, he said. And then just same thing today. And it was like, man, that's just such a bad look, especially in the context of all the Morikawa stuff. Why is... I don't know why it's our fault or the media's fault or the public's fault that he didn't drive it well. If someone's going to try to say that Rory didn't, he hit 10 of 35 fairways because of the driver failure, I don't think that's true. But I also want to know, hey, Rory,

why did you hit 10 of 35 fairways? Are you working on some stuff with your swing? I'm still curious about what the actual reason is. I don't think it's a big conspiracy. I don't think you're cheating. I'm not accusing you of that, but I would still love to hear from you after you won the Masters. You didn't play well. This course fits you. What's going on? How is that unfair? And how is that antagonistic? I think it has such a trickle effect too. And this is the part that's not, it's not really their fault, but it is kind of a, or not, I shouldn't say fault. It's not really their problem, which I sympathize with. But having less insight into Rory this week just gives you less to go on for the next major. And it just kind

of like inherently makes you a little less excited and you kind of stack that up over you know exponentially over a year two years three years five years ten years and it's just like that's that's how it happens man that's how people start to glaze over and just kind of check out so i don't know i'm not trying to be doomer on that stuff but it's like the things have downstream effects right I don't know it made the Roy's approach to media has made him like I would I've said this before like he's made himself the most like emotionally available person has made me more intrigued by his career as a fan and like now like after a week like this I'm kind of like I'm just kind of getting bored with it I

mean you've already won the career Grand Slam like I like this, I'm kind of like, I'm just kind of getting bored with it. I mean, you've already won the career grand slam. I'm not getting super amped for you to go win Oakmont. Now I'm kind of, I don't know. It's just like that kind of pissy attitude towards it. It's not endearing to the fan. I consider myself a fan in this and not media. It's not endearing at all. Just stand there, take some questions,

color in the lines, react to stuff. That's what you're good at. You're really, really good at. I I guess where I can just can't get to is this would make sense had he gagged the Masters, which he tried to do, but if it had gotten away from him, like just being like, yeah, I'm not gonna talk to media anymore would make more sense to me like you just completed like your career life goal. Like go on the victory lap tour, go talk to people like go

be be happy about it. Let the golf world be happy for you. It's just an unnecessary battle. Same with Morikawa, man. Unnecessary battle. Questions aren't that hard either. That's what I'm, I guess my point. One more thing, and we can move on after this,

but if you're gonna do the late night shows and stuff, I don't know. And if you want to skip media three of the four days, that's fine. But the whole week, it just feels like you're asking for this to become an issue. You're shooting yourself in the kneecap is, I guess, what I'm getting at. It just feels like, yo, just go do it. And it's just not that big of a deal. So this wasn't a gut wrenching loss or anything like that.

It's like, you just didn't have it this week. And he was one of the ones banging the fucking drum for guys to be more open and honest and forthright and do more for the fans and all of that. So where are we at now on that? And maybe he wants all of them to be forced to talk to the media or something like that. But it just leaves such a sour taste. And it's a trend. Now, it wasn't just this week, he does this all the time after bad weeks.

Shout out to Bryson truly, I know we had joking about it, but then that really didn't have to do it. And now we got the great quote about, you know, manufacturing, it's great. And it truly makes me more excited to watch him play next. Oh, he's handed this to Bryson. Like he's just handed it right over. Like Bryson is going to absolutely take this and run

and he's going to stick around to congratulate, make sure the cameras see him, congratulate Scotty. Like he's a hundred percent going to run with this. And you've just handed this to him. I got this text from a sponsor of the PGA tour tonight. He said, do you think the players actually understand the more that they go against the grain on media availability, access to the fans, et cetera, more they themselves are driving themselves to contracted employees.

And I think that's like basically making it to where like, Hey, cool. You want us to tell you when and where to show up? We can do that. Right? Like, like the PJ tour can do that. If you guys want to fight this, this is where it's going. It's a little bit of the SSG is going to turn this car around, man. You keep doing it. Pulling over it. See what happened over $2 billion or Yeah,

I don't know. It's interesting. Alright, let's move towards towards landing this plane. I think should we the I put this in here just because you know, there's a big long week, a lot of a lot of shows, a lot of pods, a lot of tweets, a lot of everything just kind of a you know, greatest hits here. I want to know what what's one thing that's going to stick with you guys this week. One thing, maybe we didn't get to it tonight. Maybe we already talked about it. Maybe we haven't.

I'll kick it off and just say that the dude's dad who thought that Corey Pavin was Matthew Pavon, that's going to stick with me. I think it's one of my favorite things I've ever heard on this podcast. I spent all day today thinking about like, how wild would that be if that actually was Corey Pavin and Scott, he's just bombing it 335 down the center of every fairway. Corey Pavin's keep it up with him. You know, like that, that is just a very funny visual to me. And I just wanted to double click on that one, Neil.

I think how about Corey's having, he's in the Schwab this week. He's playing, he's going to be playing at Colonial this week. Uh, do you guys have anything else you wanted to shout out before we on the way out here? I mean, it probably will stick with me is just that TC's week-long battle with the city of Charlotte, I think, will be in two or three years. I'm like, oh, god, you remember that?

You know what, Neil? I'm glad you brought that up because I think that's a good opportunity on the way out here for our Serve Pro m Mulligan of the Week. Surf Pro, the number one brand in cleanup and restoration is known for making any mess like it never even happened. I don't even know, TC, did we clean it up? Was there anything to clean? Where do we even land with this? Gosh, I think very nuanced. The Charlotte Observer aggregated it again after our Thursday show. For people who completely missed this, what is the issue here?

Yeah, so Randy, it wasn't even on this pod. It was on the Trap Draw. Randy and I were just- Not a golf podcast. Yeah, we were just bullshitting about, you know, what we got going on. You and the golf character Phil Landis, aka Big Randy. We ended up, you know, I was like, oh yeah, I got Charlotte next week. I've never had a good meal there. It's the most bland vanilla city in the world. You know, it kind of punches below its weight from a cultural perspective. Randy called it diet Atlanta, which I still think is probably spot on even more so than I did earlier in the week. I think it's like Atlanta was, you know, 15, 20 years ago. It's got less bullshit, but it's also got less and less of the good stuff too. And I said right off the bat, I said, this is probably a really good place to raise a

family. And then I get pilloried in the Charlotte Observer. I got a shout out to the truest guys. They invited us out to a 10 course meal at this fantastic restaurant, which was like, I had really good meals this week. So I will apologize to Charlotte on that front of, there are very good restaurants. I think there should be many, many more

very good restaurants in Charlotte. I think it probably punches below its weight still for a city that has a culinary school like Johnson and Wales and two or 3 million people and the amount of corporate support that in corporate environment that it does, big brewery city. So I'll shout out Longvon, Lostrica.

Sopperland. Sopperland. Fleming's with a whole hole in the wall spot downtown. We had a fantastic meal at Fleming's. I know Rory celebrated his first win at Quail Hollow at Del Frisco's steakhouse. I know there's a lot of I think I've spent a lot of time in bad areas of town, namely South Park and in quote, uptown, which is just downtown. But I guess it's up on a hill. So I apologize to the people of Charlotte for, you know, dragging them through the mud

too much. I think I went too hard on Charlotte when it's got some Dallas in it in terms of being kind of vanilla and vacuous, but there's more than meets the eye. I want to apologize, but let me get a couple more body blows in before we get out. And there are a lot of mid-level bankers. There's a ton of them. And that wasn't a value-junker. It's a bad thing. Yeah, it's like here in Jack's, there's a lot of podcasters. And to all the people that are saying, Yeah, but TC you live in it. You live in Jacksonville. I do live in

Jacksonville and the food scene fucking blows here. All right. And that's fine. It takes one to know. I've never Yeah, I've never like said otherwise. I live at the beach and it's again, great place to raise a family. I don't live here for the food. I tend to cook a lot when I want a good meal. There's a couple of good restaurants around town.

So anyway, and a lot of people- Now Jacksonville is gonna come out, calling out- I think- I think Jacksonville will be okay with that. Most people in Jacksonville would say that. Jacksonville, Jacksonville doesn't take itself

that seriously. Yeah. Yeah, we got that outback. Well, that's where I was laughing. I was like, man, I don't think there's anywhere I've ever lived where if I saw that clip and it was about my city, I'd probably be like, yeah, that's probably fair. A couple of good points. People were pissed. And that was credit to Charlotte for standing up. Yeah. There was a little Canadian action there too. A lot of passive aggression and stuff on that front. A lot of people coming at me, you see, it literally was a lot of people coming at me, like, I'm like, I was a little Canadian action there too. A lot of passive aggression and stuff on that front.

A lot of people coming at me, you see, you know, Atlanta golf sucks. Yeah, it does. I don't ride for Atlanta or yet Randy's from Cincinnati. Randy's like, cool, like I don't live there anymore. You know, it's just like, don't don't cast stones at our places when we're not riding for those same places and also I Had hundreds of people send me notes and said yeah, actually pretty much nailed the Charlotte This is kind of one of those I you know CC's basement was flooded he called surf row

They were on the way and that he called the back was like actually I'm just gonna do it myself I got I got this one. I've you know what so I don't know if that was it was kind of I got this one. You know what? I don't know if that was kind of an app. Got the wet bag. Apology. Kind of a making it up. One of those massive fans going, feel the carpet back. But if you have a mess to clean up, Neil, call ServPro. Over 2,200 locations nationwide. Faster to any size disaster, PR disaster or otherwise. Visit ServPro.com or call 1-800-SURFRO today. I would say for my, what are you gonna remember? I think it's the 31,000. And just that statement and the statement

about, I don't know, just all the press conferences. I'm the PJ Tour, all the PGA Tour players president too. I thought was good. There's a lot of a lot of organizational quotes to remember. Guys, can we redo our coldest moment because I think it might have been the PGA Tour account wins since 2022 in a picture of looks like Bryce Young 14 Carolina Panthers 15 Scottie Scheffler. It's since been deleted. Yeah. I mean, that kind of goes hand in hand with, you know, careful going to Charlotte, man. You better have your you better have your ducks in a row be able to kind of stand on business there. Yeah, I don't know if Mr. Pepper is going to like that one. Yeah, I don't know if the tour was ready for the fight.

Based on some of his antics the last couple years, that could be a problem. Soly, what do you got? Weird lasting image for me today was Rory hitting in the water on 14. And after Rory finishes the hole, the volunteer that's standing there on the left side of the hole, reaching into the water to fish the ball out like just about to just almost like a giraffe of it like drinking from the water reaching all the way in to retrieve the ball out. That's a strap boy right there. It was. It was.

The drone was following it the whole time. That was one. And I just I just this image, just coming across my desk. I am not familiar with this Twitter account, Mike Beauvo, but Scotty Schaeffler is such a great story. Got out of jail, turned his life around, hasn't reoffended. The system works. Just give me a little TND here as the night goes on. Scotty's finally above the law. Of course, I'll remember Blocky, you know, always what could have been this week if there

just would have been bigger crowds. Charlottes would have showed up. I cannot believe between Blocky and you know, you're right. The 31,000 on Ray just, you know what, let me, let me get a point in there too. Let me, let me follow up on that. That was fantastic. I think for me it's, it's the guy getting absolutely domed by Rom's ball. That was crazy. And then just popping up like nothing even happened.

Like that was so lucky. I don't understand how a ball could get that. Orton clipped the guy on 18 today. Looked like he got him on the wrist. He was jumping up and down and then went for commercial. He's like, oh. Oh, my arm. My arm. My arm. up and down and then went commercial. He's like, oh, oh, my arm. Well, we hope he is okay. And guys, I think that I mean, that we kind of went deep tonight, but a lot a lot more Scotty talk than I was thinking there was going to be anything else guys before a couple little housekeeping announcements. Do

we have a final verdict on mud balls? I don't want to read you mud balls to two hours. verdict on mud balls? I don't want to read you mud balls to him to say like, save that one. Is it a hung jury on mud balls? I think it Yeah, I need more data. I need more. kind of kind of threw a grenade into that one. I think I'm in on mud balls. But that's just me. Thank you. And I won't criticize anybody that's out on him. Exactly. I stand with Neil on that one. Guys, the NLU Summer Festival is coming.

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that giant, giant the road. I think we could definitely work on that. I would say to be on the lookout with some absolute heat coming to the pro shop over the next two, three weeks. I'm very excited about what we got coming in. And we had, we had some stuff come through today. Spinacock has fallen. The corn has fallen. Does it say corn? It says Tuckahoe, which is the road that runs through it. And a couple other whole names, I think. John's elbow or something. Really bad stuff.

And then Oakmont, I guess, has gotten 20, 25 hats with the circular like USGA Oakmont logo in the zero. They're bad. It's tough, man. Fuse. Los pews. I'm on to Oakmont, baby. They're bad. It's tough, man fuse Los pews. I'm on to Oakmont, baby. I got my us open to pull over on to here. I'm on to Oakmont I just want to say a big thanks again to everybody that came out on Thursday for the in-person show at platform sports High noon helped us put on a heck of a heck of a show could not believe the size of that crowd

it was truly ridiculous and a lot of fun. Our first time doing that and yeah, it was just very, very cool to meet a lot of people in person. We really appreciate the support of the folks in Charlotte and of High Noon as well. These are a lot of fun to do. That they are. Thank you to High Noon for the support all week with our live shows. Thank you to our friends at Tidalist, The Stack, Yeti, Serve Pro. Thank you to you guys. Thanks to Big Randy hopping on yesterday. Thanks to Cody and

Matt behind the scenes and thanks to everybody for who watches man. These these major live shows have just turned into true highlights man. They're they're really really fun to do and they make the week so much more fun. So congrats to Scottie Scheffler and let's turn the page guys. We're on to we're on to Oakmont. Pews pews pews. Cheers. Shots.