No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1010: LPGA Check-In and Charley Hull Interview

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Randy and Cody recap the last few weeks on tour ahead of the LPGA’s second major as we’re a week away from the US Women’s Open at Erin Hills.  We’re then joined by Charley Hull to talk all things LPGA golf, life away from the course, the upcoming majors at the Women’s US and British Opens, her Solheim Cup career, and more.  Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf Support our sponsors: Titleist If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most expect anything different ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying up podcast i got my guy cody mcbride with me today my name is randy we're going to be chatting some lpg tour some women's golf at large then we have a uh a really good interview for the folks. Charlie Hall, somebody that we've been wanting to talk to for quite a while. We catch up with her for about 25, 30 minutes in the second half of this episode. But let me introduce my co-host, Cody. How are you today, sir? Great, buddy. I'm excited. It feels like it's been another false start on the LPGA season. And we're finally getting to the point where we can talk about major championships again.

Of course, got to go to Mexico before we get to Wisconsin. That makes the most sense in the world. But hey, here we are excited to break it all down with you, brother. Yeah, I know. I had some of those similar thoughts to you know, next week is of course, the US women's open up at Aaron Hills outside of Milwaukee. And

I just I was thinking I just wish there was a little bit like a little bit more buzz, I guess going into the event. I think it's going to be an awesome tournament. The USGA puts on a great women's open. I think Aaron Hill's getting another look at that course. After we saw it what several years ago, host the US men's open. Also hosted the NLU club championship people might That's right. So I don't know, we'll try to create our own buzz a little bit. I want to tell folks we're

going to be out next week Tuesday with a preview episode of sorts. It's going to be more of a just a deep dive history akin to what we did for the women's British Open, the AIG women's open last year, just diving into the history of the event highlighting some of the fun, wacky, weird, and instrumental kind of events that have led us up to today. So that will all be next week.

Today's show, I think we're just gonna catch up on some news and notes, a few things to talk about. And then I said, like I said, the Charlie Hole interview on the second half of this show. So Cody. I'm excited brother. Hey, before we get there though, listen, I know this is gonna be primarily focused

on the best women in the professional game, but I wanna take a second to talk about tomorrow's stars, specifically those who played in the NCAA Women's D1 Championship. They wrapped up their stroke play yesterday as a recording. We have a new national champion. I'm very excited. Of the 156 women who competed at LaCosta, 137 of them were playing a Titleist Pro V1 or the Pro V1X golf ball. That's 88% of the field. What? 88% of the field and more than 13 times the nearest competitor with 10 golf balls in play.

It's truly an outrageous stat when you think about it. Yeah, it really is. Yes. Titleist just wasn't the overwhelming number one golf ball. They were also the most played driver iron and wedge at Nationals. The individual champion will get to her later. But yes, she was also gaming a new Pro V1X golf ball, Titleist driver, T200 irons and Voke SM10 wedges, the best players in the game, they're dialed in from

tee to green, head to toe. Everybody please go to Titleist.com to find a fitting near you. Get fit. Outrageous stats there, Vic. Yes. Yes. Thank you to our friends at Titleist. We are going to get to the NCAA, both the individual results,

and we'll let you know what's going on on the team competition. Cody, this week, the LPGA, they are down in Mexico. They're in Playa del Carmen. It's a new event on the LPGA schedule, but it's a familiar venue. It's, do you know how to pronounce the course name? I feel like you're better at the Spanish names than I am. El Chameleon, that's how always I've, the Chameleon course?

Kama, okay, Chameleon. I think that's how I always go, but sure. Please correct us. I'm sure that wouldn't be the first time here. We've seen it a lot, a lot of cenote action. That's what I was getting at, yes. It's a course that we are familiar with from the PGA and Liv has been there a few times.

God, people get so deep. I guarantee you, if Hope is down there, she's gonna be down in that snow day taking all sorts of pictures and you know, getting social with it. I hope she does all those walking talks all the time. I hope she head on a swivel. You don't want to fall in there. Okay. So hope if you're going down, watch out. I think that's what the seventh hole. There's just like a giant stink hole in the middle of the fairway. It's kind of sick. This Greg Norman masterpiece,

which honestly for like a resort course is pretty sweet. You know, I always kind of like marvel at everything that they have going down at Myacoba. It looks like an awesome place to vacation to. And I don't know, you know, it's like a jungle slash wetlands there and they built a golf course that looks pretty cool. And they've like a jungle slash wetlands there. And they built a golf course that looks pretty cool. And they've

hosted a lot of championship events there. Now, I will say this big this is a new event, just like you said, you know, match play used to be down in Mexico, obviously a long line of of great Mexican women who have played on the LPGA tour, we can talk about Lorena Ochoa. We can talk about Gabby Lopez, who really was the spearhead. She's one that put this, wanted this event

back on the calendar. So congrats to Gabby and of course, Maria Fossey. But I also know how difficult it is to find investment in the women's game right now. And you can say a lot about where this event's at scheduling wise, which is kind of a bummer because everybody's going to Wisconsin next week for the U S women's open and it doesn't have the strongest field in the world, but I really want to shout them out for putting the money up, you know,

getting additional sponsors on board and you know, more playing opportunities because the LPGA tour needs all the investment they can get. Yeah, I think that's well said. It's nice to have a new event, somebody that wants a new event in a place of the world where they haven't had ladies professional golf, I believe since Gosh going on like eight or nine years

Since Lorena Ochoa's kind of namesake event stopped Being an annual thing. So I'm excited. I was just gonna say that as far as Seeing it watching it Eastern times. It's midday streaming on Golf Channel, I think 11 to 1 PM most days. And then you can pick up an extra hour on the NBC Sports app. The only thing to really note for folks, the Sunday conclusion is another CBS telecast. And that's going to be from 1 to 3 PM this Sunday on CBS. So- Do you know why I know I like that you're gonna have a lot of voices and everything that are normal for LPGA coverage.

Doesn't really matter if it's CBS or Golf Channel, NBC there. But what that means is that you have a new tournament that costs additional money if you want network. And I think again, it's another big sign of like the tournament organizing committee wanting to put this out there because network TV is not cheap. And it's what the LPGA tour needs more of. Yeah, you mentioned not the most star studded field. There are I

think the biggest names will be the Mexican players Gabby Lopez, probably leading that list Maria F Fossey is going to be playing their number of sponsor exemptions to Mexican women to play. But it's also a good opportunity. You know, you have like, Lynn Grant, Cody, who hasn't had the best of season so far by any stretch. Looking at somebody like Gabby Ruffles as well, who's really looking to get going in 2025.

A Se Young Kim, former major winner. I feel like it's a great opportunity for people like this to, hey, string four rounds together, cash a nice check, maybe win a tournament. And you never know, heading into next week, maybe you find a swing field and all of a sudden the US Open next week becomes a lot more enticing. So while it's not the strongest field, no Nelly, no Gino, no Lydia Ko, unfortunately, I do think it's interesting to see who emerges quite frankly, to see who can win this. So. Well, the one thing that I'd say is that if you're we hear this all the time on the men's tour, like some players really like playing the week prior.

And obviously, there's turf conditions that are completely different between where they're out of my Cobo, where they're going to at Aaron Hills. But like people just getting used to a week on the road, hitting shots, getting in the zone and being in like a competitive environment is gonna really help people. You mentioned Seyeon Kim, Lynn, Charlie's gonna be there, Gabby Ruffles,

but really this is also the last qualifying event for the US Women's Open. And that's right, the cutoff line is a top 75 for the Rolex rankings. And you have people that are on the bubble. So Natalia Guseva, who a woman without a country represents Russia is like literally at number 74. So she's in right now. She's playing because I'm trying to limit let me pull it up real quick. He's the 74, 75 who also is playing right now is Leona

McGuire, who needs to get something going. The next person there number 77 Jenny Shin. She needs to absolutely make the cut get something going to get in that top 75 just to make it to Erin Hills. So there's huge implications here of where they're at and And the vast majority of these women have gone through, you know, the, the U S women's open qualifying it's single day, 36 hole qualifying and they, you know, either made it or didn't make it, but those are the ones on the bubble that I hope come Sunday with this great CBS coverage or,

are ones that we can keep an eye on instead of just the normal, hey, these are the last three groups in the lead. Yeah. So that's this coming week on the LPGA. Speaking of the CBS coverage, you know, they had the final round from Liberty National two weeks ago, the Mizuho, America's Open, Gino Titicum won that, a great performance by her. She beat Celine Boutier. I think the thing to note, she started the round two strokes ahead of Nelly Korda. Nelly just couldn't really get anything going on Sunday,

ended up finishing six shots back. But I did enjoy the CBS coverage. You know, Cody, it's really nice to hear Kelly Tillman is one of the voices that does the LPGA work on CBS. And somebody that I grew up, you know, she was all over the place on Golf Channel and just has taken a step back over the last several years, but it's nice to see and hear Kelly.

I think she does a good job on these weeks where the LPGA is on CBS. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's just a different look. I think that's why we get so spoiled on the men's side because you kind of get bounced back and forth and there's like CBS, you know, has a couple week run and then you have NBC that has a couple week run.

And there's kind of a known balance to it all. I think the one thing outside of a lot of the issues that we've talked about with NBC Golf Channel's women's coverage, but just having like a different look of graphics and music and invoices goes a long way. Like, wait a second, it fuels, we always talk about, this kind of feels elevated. And it was Liberty National. And you have beautiful scenes of, you know, Manhattan and Lady Liberty and everything else like that. So yeah, I don't know what scenes we're going to

get in Mexico. But you know, it's gonna look a little different. I totally agree. There's just a freshness about it, which is, for lack of a better word, refreshing as I as I watch coverage, you know, that the Mizzou event is quickly becoming, which is, for lack of a better word, refreshing as I watch coverage. You know, the Mizuho event is quickly becoming, I think, one of the better ones on an annual basis on tour, first class. And I think it goes back to, you know, venue plays a big part of that as well.

You know, we love it, hate it. Liberty National. I do think Liberty National is a really striking venue. It's a golf course that's in great shape. It's a great venue for the LP, or a great market for the LPGA to be in in New York City. So I don't know. I just, that event is quickly becoming,

you know, you can put it in a bucket with, the one I always think about is, I know they weren't at W Wellshire this year, but Wilshire, Wilshire, Wilshire, the Wilshire event out in LA. Well, I think that's why I think that's where we're kind of been. We felt I'm going to be honest big, the LPGA is kind of been stinky the first section of the year. And there's not a lot to really get up about. And I feel a lot of it isn't, you know, obviously we're so spoiled last year with this incredible run that Nellie went on. And if you pay attention, I mean, we've had some phenomenal winners so far this year, including the, you know, our most recent at Mizzou, Geno.

Like it would be amazing to see her. We have a first time winner and rookie, like Ingrid Lindblad, and the week before that, a match play, we had this incredible duel that we were all like, oh no, which way is it gonna go? Because either way, it's gonna be a win for no laying up between Madeline and LC. It's one of those things, you have Angel winning

and Lydia winning, but we're missing something. And it's the golf courses. It's these venues because we didn't get Wilshire. You know, the Founders Cup got completely dismantled and moved away from an awesome golf course at Upper Montclair. And it just feels like it's just been fla flat. So I'm very excited to get to Aaron Hills and see something that we're familiar with. And if people, you know, don't have memories of JT

hitting that ridiculous three wood on 18 and the rough and everything, you know, it's gonna look a lot different. But I think it's gonna play the way that Aaron Hills and like, you know, the designer and people they're expected to should get super windy and it's going to be firm and fast and they're going to be like have to play very strategic golf. And it's the first time this year that we're actually getting that on the LPGA

tour. Yeah, you're, you're so right. I, I had that same overarching thought yesterday as well as I was putting together a little agenda and trying to prepare for this podcast. Like I really liked the Singapore event back in February. I just thought that was a good tournament. Lydia Co won, good golf course,

but then you go all of March and no offense to the Blue Bay and the Ford Championship. But like you said, like the venues just are totally forgettable, right? And then we get to Shadow Creek, which was awesome. I think Shadow Creek is a wonderful venue, a very hard venue. So that was early April.

And so it's like, okay, we miss out on Willshire. El Caballero Country Club though, El Caballero Country Club. Tanner Iskra Either way you want to go. Jason Kroeper Was okay, right? As a one-year substitute. But then, you know, I know we've harped on the Chevron. Like, it just felt like a bit of a dud. And so we're, we're kind of back to. It's like, we're always restarting and we can't really carry any momentum. So yeah, I feel like, gosh, we're getting to the end of may here. And it finally feels like we have a big important event coming up next

week with the U S women's open. Um, but man, it shouldn't take like five months into a season for us to get there. So we will talk a lot more US Women's Open next week. Anything else, Cody, from either the Mizuho? I do wanna mention the week before the Mizuho was the inaugural event, the Black Desert Championship out in Utah.

Haydon Rue won that, kind of going away by five shots. She kind of put the disappointment of Chevron week behind her to win out there. Any lasting thoughts or anything you want to get into the record before we move on? Not really. I mean, the one thing that's sticking out to me right now is that the number one player in the world, Nelly Korda,

seems to be searching still. And sometimes it's ball striking, sometimes it's her tee game, but really we're back to putting and kind of being unsure of her lines. It seems like speed's really good, but just kind of weird, uncharacteristic

stuff from her so far. So, you know, she's going to have a long break since we last saw her, getting ready to go to Aaron Hills. And you know that she's been working her tail off and I'm sure has a good game plan there because of utter disappointment at last year's US Women's Open. But really, Gino, Lydia, Ronning, Hadon, and really like Lillia, I don't think we're in a better spot right now with the rest of the Chasers. And it's kind of weird calling Gino a Chaser. She's the best player in the world right now, and she's playing like that. By the way, like Elsie's had like a couple close calls already this year and is like absolutely fired up for Aaron Hills. I think Aaron Hills fits a grindy player

like a Hannah Green and like a Celine Boutier, who, by the way, last year was kind of a stinker this year and, you know, took second at Amazoo. There's a lot of storylines that are starting to rise to the surface and it's going to be, I think like an awesome major championship, not just venue, but like everything else going around. I'm just really, really fired up. And I'll say this, we mentioned Mexico. It's awesome. Yes, Black Desert was awesome. New course, new tournament hosts. They did a ton.

There's one other thing outside of network coverage that I want to give the Mexico event a huge shout out is that, yeah, it's a week before a tournament in Wisconsin, but they're also providing a charter flight. It's like all the players, caddies, staff, everybody is literally just getting shipped from whatever the nearest airport is all the way up to Milwaukee, which again is a very nice touch. At a time when, you know, there's so much influx at the LPGA tour, we had another string of announcements of people stepping away, the chief marketing communication brand officer. Wow. Okay.

Three titles here. Match Murrah, step down. And it's, we still are kind of commissioner lists. We know that there's kind of two finalists that are there, but we got to start making some things happen here because it's the end of May and the LPGA tour has kind of been no offense to Liz Moore and everything that she's been doing a great job to keep things going, but like rudderless. Yeah. Yeah.

I think that's right. You know, I was just chuckling at the nothing like going from the beaches of Playa del Carmen, Mexico up to Milwaukee. But Milwaukee is lovely. We know that DJ. We know Milwaukee is great. I am hopeful that the fine folks of

Wisconsin and the upper Great Lakes region will really show out for this championship. It could be really, really good. Um, we'll have to kind of see next week the weather and get a feel for how they anticipate the course to be playing. But yeah, I'm, I'm stoked. Uh, one thing to note as we do go into next week, Yuka Sasso are defending us women's open champion.

She is not playing in Mexico. And in fact, Cody has missed three straight cuts, four out of the last five, is having like a really bad season. So just something, God, if she were to win a third US Open out of nowhere, I remind her folks, she has two career LPGA wins. They're both US Opens

and they've both been at like pretty difficult setups. Her first at Olympic club out in San Francisco and then last year at Lancaster. So, gosh, she is just such an enigma. You mentioned some news on LPGA tour, Matt Chamora has left. This follows Nicole Metzger, who left earlier in the year. She was chief sales and partnerships officer.

So yeah, I just feel like man, with this shuffling and having people cover, you know, on an interim basis, all these important roles, I gotta think we need to be getting close to an official announcement for new commissioner. I have not heard anything specifically. I have no information on when and if an announcement will be made. But the longer we go and the more people that are starting to leave, it just feels like,

okay, we got to get this done and let the new commissioner, whoever that might be, get in and get their team around them and let's start really kind of building back towards whatever it is, you know? A couple other odds and ends before we set up the Charlie Hall interview. Cody, do you know anything about Mimi Rhodes? I know she's on fire right now. When she was two, three times? Yeah, she's going buck wild on the ladies European tour have to

shout her out. She's a 24 year old English woman played her college golf at Wake Forest was a part of the 2023 NCA division won women's golf championship team there at Wake Forest. She part of the 2023 NCAA Division I Women's Golf Championship team there at Wake Forest. She won the Dutch Ladies Open last week, which was her third LET win since the end of March. So in about two months, her world ranking has jumped. She was down in the 500s

before she captured her first win. She's now all the way up to 88 in the Rolex rankings. And I just point this out, obviously we're a year away from the Solheim Cup, a year away and change, but man, three LET wins, obviously leading the order of merit. I think this is a fun name for Team Europe to kind of keep an eye on.

And quite frankly, somebody I'm excited to keep an eye on. I hope she keeps it going and I don't know if she's planning any starts. I got to check if she'll be in the US Open but hopefully somebody that we can watch maybe tee it up in an LPGA event sometime this summer as well. Well just based off ranking she'll get, so she'll be in Evian because there's LAT slots. She'll be in women's Scottish. Yeah. She might get KPMG. I don't know for sure. You can check real quick, but yeah, she's, I always find it interesting. So obviously she went to college in the States, went back home and

chose the LAT route straight away. You know, didn't, I don't even know if she tried to play in Q States, went back home and chose the LETA route straight away. I don't even know if she tried to play in Q series or not, but came up through LET access and then has her full card now and is absolutely beating everybody down. Yeah, it's just fun. I just think it's great to see anybody kind of go on a run like that.

And yeah, just excited to see where it goes. She is not in the US Women's Open. So we won't see her at Aaron Hills, but yeah, hopefully maybe at the KPMG, we'll have to see as we get closer to that. And you're right, we'll definitely see her at Evian. So. You know what I do?

I got a may a call if I need to get ahead of right now. So top 75 for US Women's Open open that was locked back in March. Not I don't know why I was thinking that that's still the case now. Of course they had to lock it somewhere, but yeah, we're fine. Don't worry about that. Enjoy the golf in Mexico this week. But relax, relax, enjoy it. It's very interesting to to like see where she's won at. So her first win was at the Ford Women's New South Wales Open in Australia.

Then there's a week off in between. The LET goes to South Africa to start the two-leg South African, or two events in South Africa. She won there, so won theoretically back to back events. Then you have kind of this weird phase where, you know, there's, there's tournaments going on, but, but not really. You have the Ramco team championship that happened in, in Korea that Hojo Kim went back to and ended up winning. Then gets to the Netherlands and is just gangbusters again. So it'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes for them.

The L.E.T. is playing at the Evian Resort Club in France this week for the Jabra Ladies Open. So we'll see. It'll be very interesting to see how the next couple weeks go for her and where she ends up racking and stacking to see if she can get into KPMG. Yeah. Just to note, one of the people that she beat at the Dutch Ladies Open was Brianna Navarosa, who former University of Southern Cal standout. She's playing over on the on the L.E.T. and then Ann Van Dam, a name I think everybody is pretty familiar with as well so good win for Mimi Rhodes certainly one to keep an eye on there Cody we mentioned

us open qualifying a little that is complete some of the big names or some of the you know names people might recognize who were able to get in through the qualifying route. You have Amari Avery. I know JP will be pumped about that. Saki Baba, former US AM, women's AM winner. Austin Kim, who's having a okay year this year on the LPGA, somebody I was very bullish of at the start of the year. Grace Kim, good player. Celine Borge, who had a good year two years ago, and then Pauline Roosen Bouchard. And then the other one I want to mention, Cody, Yanni Sang got into the US Open through the qualifying route. She's of course a very decorated major champion, but is somebody that is truly, truly like on in

it, what seems like an eternal search for her golf game. She made waves. She's now putting both right and left handed on the greens. I don't believe she's made an LPGA cut in like, since maybe long time. 20. Yeah, it's it's over three or four years. And that's with like over 20 Yeah. It's, it's over three or four years. And that's with like over 20 starts. It's just a crazy story, but kudos to her for qualifying. She's going to be at the U S open. Big, if you got the putting ups that bad,

like what lengths would you go to before you're just like, you know what, I just, I can't, I do this anymore. I know that's exactly where I think I'd be like, do I still need to do this? I just, you know, Yanni is 36 years old. She has won five majors, 15 time LPGA winner. Gosh, I think at a certain point, I would probably just call it a career. I truly don't know what is still motivating her, which makes it really fascinating. I think she's somebody that somebody needs to, there's a story there for sure. Somebody is going to get a good story out of

just what her whole deal is right now. But to answer your question, Codi, if my yips ever got that bad, uh, I'd probably just try to find a new high. I'd retire and then probably try to find a new hobby. Honestly, good on her for, for continuously putting herself out there, you know, trying to make it happen. And obviously, you know, 36 holes, you know,

this isn't like the men's US open qualifier where there's locals and then finals. So locals being 18 holes, final being a 36 hole day, the women is just straight one time shot 36 holes. And there's some drama at some sites that are out there too. I know that there's issues at one of the Florida sites and everything else like that. But congratulations to everybody who made it through qualifying. There's a lot of amateurs that made this US Women's Open field. I'm very, very excited for it.

And the names that are gonna be there, it's gonna be an incredibly exciting test. To include somebody who just won the NCAA Women's National Championship. Maria, tell us who this is. Maria Jose Marine. She plays out of Arkansas. She I believe is the number 10th ranked player in Wager. She ends up winning the individual title at 12 under total of course at the North course at Omni LaCosta. She finished two ahead of Florida States Mirabelle Ting,

four ahead of Kelly Zhu from Stanford. Stanford absolutely leading the way as these teams are stacked up to get the match play portion going. They finished with a record-breaking team qualifying total of 27 under par to be the number one seed. The number two seed, Oregon, finished at six under par total. Oregon and Stanford are the only two teams to come in under par. The rest of the top eight that move on to the match play portion are Northwestern, Florida State, Southern California, Arkansas, Texas, and Virginia coming in in that eighth spot. So very, very exciting.

Yeah, I always think the team match play is some of the best golf, both men and women, that will be all year. So hopefully people can check that out. We're recording on Tuesday, so we don't know any results by the time this comes out. The team portion will have advanced some. So do you see anybody beaten Stanford? I mean, just crazy. They not only were Stanford and Oregon, the only two teams combined under par through the four qualifying rounds. But Stanford to be 21 shots better than the

second place team. Like it just boggles the mind. I obviously anything can happen in match play. I think that's the beauty of it. But boy, it's, it's going to be a tall task for anybody to take down this Stanford team, I think. Yeah, it's nearly. We'll see. Crazier things have happened, but it's just, I mean, it goes back to show just how well of a program Coach Ann Walker has there. And it seems like no matter how many absolute superstars she has that comes through that program,

they're just recruiting and filling them in right next to them. A major, you know, shout out to Meghagane who has stayed there and wants to finish playing, you know, not only collegian golf, but finish her college experience with that team and loves being a part of it. And it's just one of those things where it's like really cool to see. And you see, you know, other very high profile programs starting to do the same. So it's going to take a lot big, but you know, who knows? And I'll say this, you got some nighttime golf channel coverage of this. It's great to see the North course at Omni Lacosta, Gillhans did work there. Obviously I played, you know, with an ultra match there with Cam Young.

And the greens were rock hard when we played there rock hard last year. And it's nice to see them finally like starting to settle in a little bit because I know that Omni and our friends there put a ton of money into it and it's going to be there for a bit. So excited to see this finish up and then, you know, the men kick off. So a lot of good golf going on. Yep. Yep. Well, I think that brings us to the Charlie Hall portion, the interview portion of our podcast. Charlie is a funny one, man. We recorded this last week with her. I think both you and I were, didn't quite know what to expect. I'll say, you know, we caught her at the end of a full media day ahead of this year's upcoming AIG Women's Open

in Wales at Royal Porth Call. And, you know, gosh, she just makes me laugh. And I don't say that, like nothing about this is like, I don't want it to come off as disrespectful to Charlie. But you know, I we weren't even through asking some of our questions and she was already ready to answer them. Some questions, you know, she gave us just the one two word quick answer. And that's that. And like, honestly, it's like, yeah, maybe that was the answer that that question deserved. But then other times she's super thoughtful. She just is totally uniquely herself, Cody. I think that's just what like shines through more than anything. Yeah, 100%. There's nobody who's like more comfortable in their own skin than Charlie Hall. She's an absolute golf sicko. All she does is play golf. You know,

I think part of it that I found most interesting is just like her love of golf, but really it's not about what... You have golf-obsessed people that are about the travel or the architecture or competitive golf or anything. That's not her. She just loves golf. She just wants to go hit balls every day. And if she can be close to home,

that's where she wants to be. So extremely fascinating. It's crazy to think she was the LAT rookie of the year in 2013, okay? She's been doing this for a long, long time. She's not even 30 years old yet. It's insane. She's still only 29 and like, you know. it's just a stalwart both that she represents her

country very, very well. She represents the European squad on the Solheim Cup. She had some interesting insight about that and kind of her feelings on the Solheim Cup that I think people get a chuckle about. And then you know, know, we're kind of out with the professional game as a whole and where she finds herself in there. I was very impressed. She's thoughtful, but don't ask them question because she'll let you have it.

Yeah, don't have patience for that. Well, Cody, just a quick, do you want to let the people know we're going back to the AIG this year? Yeah. Should we just go ahead and get out in front of that? Yes. I'm very excited, Big.

We are back. So this is going to be our third year working the AIG Women's Open. Of course, we started at Walden Heath, kind of, you know, new deer out there trying to find our legs. Last year, I think we got a little bit better at St. Andrews than this year. I don't know, but we're gonna try really hard. We're going back, baby. We're gonna be part of the RNA radio team again

at this year's AIG Women's Open. The first time in Wales, Royal Porthcawl, very excited about that. We're gonna have Lydia Codefending, of course, taking place 30 July through 3 August. It's the biggest women's sporting event in Wales and Please everybody if you're interested or just want some more information You can check out their website AIG women's open comm as part of our deal with the RNA. We got access to Charlie That's why we're bringing you this interview right here

We're very very excited because we going to have a couple more of these interviews later in the year with other of the best players in the women's game as we gear up for the 14th AIG or excuse me, as we gear up for this year's women's open. Charlie, I mentioned her age. I mentioned rookie of the year in 20, what did I say? 2013. This is our 14th AIG Women's Open Start. Of course, our first year at Walton Heath, she ended up taking second place to Lillia Vu. I think everybody's gonna learn a little bit something

about Charlie from this interview and appreciate everybody at the RNA for hooking it up. Well, without further ado then, here is our chat with Charlie Hall. I guess first question, you are over in Wales, I presume, doing a little media day ahead of the open later this summer. First impressions of Royal Porthcal, had you seen it before?

Had you gotten a chance to play it? Yeah, I played here when I was about 14 year old in a junior event and I liked it back then and I love it now. I played here in January as well. It was actually a really nice day. It was nice and sunny and the golf course was great. So yeah, looking forward to the British Open this year. Well, I guess before we get to the British Open,

we have, gosh, three majors to get to before that. The first being the US Women's Open at Aaron Hills. Do you know anything about Aaron Hills? And I only ask because I know in, I think it was your press conference out in Utah, you revealed that you don't use a yardage book ever. And so I was just curious how you go about prepping a new golf course or a golf course that you have not played before. Yeah, just get on the golf course or a golf course that you have not played before? Yeah, just get on the golf course in the practice round, play the golf course and hit a few shots on the way around and leave the work to the caddy. No, I'm one of these players though. I just, I don't like too much information. I just like to see the fairway. No more spots

where to hit it. You obviously know where you don't want to miss it. Do you know what I mean? And literally just get on the golf course. So if I just ask my caddy how far I've got, it'd be like 127 front, 147 pin. And I'll just say is the miss long or short here? I'll say the miss is short. Well, perfect. Do you know what I mean? I know that's all I need to know. Yeah. How is your game right now? I guess let's let's go there. How would you assess your golf game? How are you feeling heading into a busy stretch? I started off pretty steady this season so far, Mr.

Curtis Chevron, but I actually played pretty decent. I actually played to be fair, I actually played really well, but I just didn't have my driver going in the first round. So then I made a few tweaks of it. In the second round, I played a lot better and then just didn't really hold any putts. But that was that really. And I've just been at home the last week

and then got this one more week at home and just taking it chilled. Because sometimes I can just practice too much, I think. I'll spend 12 hours on the golf course when I'm at home. And then just get too golf-obsessed. So I'm just trying to slow down a little bit. How do you do that? I mean, you mentioned wanting to hit balls

and practice all the time, but how do you slow yourself down? Just kind of take myself away and spend time with my family instead. Obviously still on the golf course playing, but then having a bit of life outside of golf as well. Just like chilling in my house, watching TV with my nephews and stuff.

Are we making progress on the 5K time? Where is the set? Yeah, 233030. 2330. So, got three minutes to go. That's so impressive. And I apologize, you probably have told this story, but for our listeners, where did that goal come from? How did that get in your head for this year? My nephew can do it in like 17 minutes.

And like, years ago, when we was like 17, 18, we all used to go out drinking together and he was a little chubster and so was I. And I thought if you can now do it in 17 minutes, I should easily be able to do it in under 20 minutes. So that's where my motivation has come from. Do you enjoy running or is it kind of a love hate? Yeah, I enjoy like just switching off my head

and mentally it makes me feel good. I get bored with everything I do in life. Like I find things quite boring and I can get quite agitated, but I just feel like when I run, I just switch off. It like really helps mentally. Does that ever translate to the golf course? Do you ever find yourself bored by the week to week, the day to day? Yeah, I do.

I find the golf rounds were sometimes way too slow. So then you kind of lose your momentum. And anything I do in life, I get to be fast and just on the go all the time. So it was weird. When I started smoking, that's one reason why I used to smoke, because it just used to kill a bit of time. Do you know what I mean?

Just relax, yeah? But then I quit about two months ago. Yeah, congratulations. And you're still sticking to it, right? months ago. Yeah, congratulations. And you're still sticking to it, right? Yep, I did, yeah. Are you substituting anything for it? Yeah, I had the nicotine patches. Do you have a branded choice or you don't want to say that because people should pay

for it? No, I just get whatever things that's in the shop. Do you know what I mean? I'll have that one. Go on then, give me some of that. I'm the same, hopelessly. I used it to quit as well. I don't like them ones though.

I don't like what you've got there, them zens. I don't like them. Uh oh, that's tough. Yeah. Is there a flavor that you go or you just go, nope, I just want flavorless? I just kind of like the flavorless ones that just taste kind of like nicotine-otine. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You know, you mentioned working out, running. It's obviously a big part of your life. Has fitness always been a love of yours or is this something that's kind of like... Yeah, I've been in the gym since I was 14 years old, but generally golf, mainly golf training stuff. And I found it ever so boring. It was like a chore to do. And it hasn't been... And then three years ago, I got real, real skinny, but I didn't use to train and do nothing at all. And I just wanted to get myself into something.

So then I got myself into the gym and smashing it more, nothing to do with golf, more just to become, I wanted to become an athlete. Yeah, last year at St. Andrews, we spent some time with Kate and she's just gushing obviously about you and everything. But I know it's a lot more than just golf fitness for you. You're training for life.

You're training for what you want to do for everything. And part of this now is, what is it? High rocks, a new competition and everything that you're super into. Yeah. Yeah, I love high rocks. It's a lot of fun. And then today we're just in some boxing. And now I've got in my head I want to become a boxer.

So I'm not really becoming a boxer, but do a bit of boxing. It's I just like anything that pushes your body and turns your mind off stuff and being fit. Anything that keeps you out of the pub, really. It's true. You've mentioned quitting smoking. You mentioned how boring. And it takes a lot of time to get through professional rounds, especially on LPGA Tour, major championships, anything

else like that. And you've been quite outspoken about it. Is that something that you didn't, it caused kind of a stir? I don't know why, but did you expect to have the reaction from people that you did? Not really. I didn't really look at what people were saying. I just said what I thought and that's what I thought. And I said it, do you know what I mean and it's true, though, isn't it?

It's not false. So people wasn't talking about it. It's obviously got some truth behind it. And they do need a bit of a kick up the butt to speed up golf because it can be too slow. Like the other day, me and my friend, we played in two hours to play 18 holes. I was thinking sometimes it takes us three hours to play nine holes. I was thinking sometimes it takes us three hours

to play nine holes. It's unbelievable. Do you think the pace is getting better? I was gonna say with the new pace of play policy, have you noticed a difference? I would say there's a massive change. I still think there could be room for improvement, but I suppose they're trying, do you know what I mean?

At the end of the day, that's one of the main things. Getting back to working out, I was I was curious as you were talking about your fitness journey, I guess. Have you seen that translate to like increase ball speed, increase club speed? Do you track that stuff or are you not really worried? I don't know nothing about full speed or club speed. Like I have no clue about any of that generally. Neither Charlie. Is that faster? Is that slow? And generally just, I've obviously

probably gained a bit of distance, but I don't really do it for that. Do you know what I mean? I hit it long enough anyway, I find. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I you've got, she's been on tour now for more than 10 years, 2015, I believe was your rookie season on the LPGA tour. Yeah, term for when I in 2012, when I was 16, played a year and a half in Europe and then come to America. I mean, can you believe that? Have you ever taken the time to kind of look back and reflect?

You're one of the veterans now. Do you ever catch yourself thinking about your journey? Yeah, you do. But it's all kind of a blur really. You've got highs and you've got lows. Obviously, when you're younger, I didn't really have much of a life when I was young because obviously golf was my life. So you miss out on a lot of things at home. That's why I try not to play too many events like now because I've got a life outside of golf and I want to enjoy my life. You've only got one life. So I just want to live it and I do get homesick.

So that's why I'm in the position now that I can just pick and choose my events. Obviously you're chasing a major championship but I'm curious what else as far as golf goals really keeps you motivated? Are there things that you want to accomplish before all is said and done? I don't really look at stuff like that. I just love playing golf. Like if I was to finish golf, I'll still play golf every day at home.

I don't love playing golf at all. I'm not going to lie. I've never loved really going out, traveling and playing golf until I love being at home with my friends on the golf course with them in the UK and playing golf, because I generally just love golf. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I feel like that's a bit maybe a bit rare amongst professional players. Yeah, I think you ask a lot of girls out there, and I don't think a lot of girls love the sport or enjoy it.

Do you know what I mean? They're more like, yeah, well, I just actually enjoy being out there and stuff. It is hard to find the balance though, because you're very steadfast in your schedule and trying to maximize the amount of time you spend at home, but also being prepped and everything for when you do go on the road to show up at these new golf courses. I mean, what's the thought process? How are you being able to balance everything? I just kind of got used to it after how many years I've been on tour. I think sometimes I put too much pressure on myself, like practice too much, and it's

all golf, golf, golf, golf, golf. And I've just realized that. So I've kind of just like still golf, golf, golf when I've just realized that so I've kind of just like still golf golf golf when I'm at home but just like relax it back a little bit and it's just all managing things like I get obsessions with things like one minute I'm mad into like I don't know like I have like fads of doing things if you get what I mean I'm mad into my high rocks the next thing I'll be mad into a tv program The next thing I'll be mad into running. I'm just stuck a little weird.

I like that. A bit. It just keeps me and my head ticking over. Does that give you like freedom though? Yeah, I suppose it does. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned boxing.

I guess what else have you tried your hand at through the years? Oh, I don't know. Really? I like cooking. Okay. I like cleaning. I like shower and really clean like I love like to shower and bath like you know, like, you know, like Epsom salts and then like sawing and steam room and stuff like that. Dog walks a bit of shopping but I find that boring sometimes I

like just like to go and walk, go shop, know what I've got to get and then come out. Just like, if I'm in the right head space, I like chilling, but it's got to be with only the right type of person. Do you get what I mean? But apart from that, I just like to be on the go 24 seven. When you're home, do you ever watch golf? Or is it strictly like, I just like to play?

No, I don't. No, I just love playing golf. I'm not a big watcher of golf, no. No, I don't know. I just love playing golf. I'm not a big watcher of golf. No, no, I'm not a massive watcher of golf. Probably only once a year, the men's masters and the men's British Open, that's it. So while you're at home, obviously you're giving a lot of time to your family.

What is a normal day? Not today, obviously, because you're on the road, you're over doing media and everything else like that. But what's the normal day look like? You should get up really early, go for a run, then go to the gym, have a shower, go for some breakfast, practice, do my putting drills, hit some balls, go out play 18-0s. And then by the time then it's getting dark and just go back and chill, have some food, watch a movie and go to bed. Are you cooking? You said you like to cook. Are you cooking for yourself every day?

I haven't cooked myself for a while, but I do like when I like cooking for someone sometimes, you know what I mean? When it's myself, like I just throw it in it together, but I do enjoy cooking. I do. I like a Sunday's roast dinner. I bet you don't have that in America,

Sunday's roast, do you? No, we don't. We have a poor excuse for it sometimes. But you guys make it. What goes into an open? What makes a proper roast? Roast potatoes, Yorkshire pudding, like a joint beef, cauliflower cheese, stuffing, like vegetables, gravy. Getting hungry, Charlie. It's too early for us over here. I mean, this is making my mouth. I was going to say, Cody, when we come over for the open, I don't, I assume we can find a good

roast around Wales. Yes. And when you go to a pub, you'll find a nice Sunday's roast. Okay. All right. I was going to get back. sorry, just because you've been on tour now or been a professional for over what? 12, 13 years, whatever it is. Yeah. Have you noticed much change in the women's game? Has anything, do you take note of, is it more of a distance game?

Is it more of a finesse game? How do you assess kind of where the game has gone over your professional career? I felt like when I first come on tour we'd always talk about like you know the Koreans being unbelievably good because they're like so straight and so precise and well and not necessarily they didn't use to it at far but now I feel like there's a new breed of like the Korean girls that come through that hit it far as well and also do all of that so it's really up in the game and obviously all the way the prize money's, it's getting bigger and better. I think when you're in it, you don't really notice things too much because you're just so focused on yourself.

Yeah. One thing, gosh, I forget what interview I was reading, but and it's absolutely true, but you were talking about how you're not a boring player. And I think anybody that's watched you play knows you're not a boring player. You play with a certain amount of flair. And as somebody that enjoys watching you play golf, I really appreciate that. And I was just curious, who are some of the people past, present that you, Charlie, really enjoy watching play golf? If I watch golf, I'll watch back some of the clips from the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s when Seve and Nat all used to play, when they used to have to draw the club, fade the club, and it wasn't all about distance.

Me, when I watched that, I think that's unbelievable. That's what golf should be like. It's so much more interesting. These days, I don't bother watching it because it's just how far they hit it. It's boring. Nothing I was growing up watching like, you know, the seven, seven short game DVD and stuff like that. It's got a flare. It's got charisma. And I feel like that's what sometimes golf misses sometimes.

Yeah, do you ever wish there was more of that in the women's game specifically? Yeah, I do. It feels up to me everyone would have to play with blades, they'll get rid of their rescuers and just play old school golf. I would sign on to that. Yeah. Well, gosh, Cody, you want to talk about more about golf? Sorry, I'm thinking where do we want to go next?

Well, yeah, I think, you know, there's a big start to the year. You obviously talked about Chevron. We got Aaron Hills coming up for the US Women's Open. We got a first look at a new KPMG Women's PGA at Frisco in Texas. You've won in Dallas. I mean, that's got to have some good feelings, obviously different time of year, but coming back to Texas for a first look at a course. And then where you're at right now, I think it's just Evian, obviously there in between.

I think it's a really good run. And I say that because you've been very, very, very on fire the last two, three years in major championships. Obviously you want to win a major championship, but where do we feel like the game is moving into the busy part of your calendar year? That feels pretty good about doing all the right things. I don't really think it's my game that ever gets in the way of me. It's sometimes just like me mentally thinking I put too much pressure on myself. So if I go into it, like the times that I won, like when I won the tour championship,

when I was 16 years old, this is for instance, I was putting myself under pressure all year trying to win the event. Then the week before that event, I thought, you know what, I don't even care. I'm just going to go out there and have some fun. The weekend before, I went on a massive drinking weekend with my friends. Went out for two or three days. Didn't do no practice. My dad told me off, he was like, you're going to miss the cut this week. You're going to play awful.

I was like, whatever, rocked up to the event and won it. Do you know what I mean? So, and then I've done that, like, not necessarily drinking, like the other time when I won in Texas, like I just had no pressure going into the week, just enjoying it, wasn't like putting too much pressure on myself when I went and won it. And I just think, oh, I can get too obsessed with golf, like too obsessed with it. And like where's the point of the way I struck my last iron shot on a practice range session, say on Wednesday of being at home, will affect my mood for the rest of the way I struck my last iron shot on a practice range session say on Wednesday

of being at home will affect my mood for the rest of the evening and that shouldn't happen. Do you know what I mean? You should just turn off from it. So that's what I've been trying to do the last week or so. I have a bit of a life outside of golf as well. And I think sometimes you can forget that. Yeah, absolutely. It's easy to do when you're home, but during tournament weeks, I mean, so do you travel with people to make sure that you kind of say no I like being by myself I like being by myself yeah I love my own company yeah what show are you hooked on right now when you're on the road and what is it Mobland oh I've heard good things about that yeah yeah. I have not seen it. Well, Tom Hardy, I think, is in that. Yeah, it's a great show.

Okay. Where are your favorite places to play throughout the calendar year? Are there specific courses or tournaments that you really look forward to? Pebble Beach. That was fun. Obviously, that was US Open. We're not going back there again, I don't know when, everywhere. I do usually like the KPMG Leaks.

The golf courses they put us on are really nice. I like the CME Tour Championship at the end of the year. I like that little run. And I love playing on the East Coast in America. I love them kind of golf courses. You like hard golf courses? Yeah, I do. Yeah. I don't think there's a lot of people that truly love the challenge of like, wow, we're playing an historic or very difficult golf course that takes a little bit more thought process to get around. I've always appreciated that about you. Do you wish that they would set up golf courses week to week a little bit more difficult? Yeah, I really wish I did because sometimes I set up like a par three pitch andt and that's no challenge. Do you know what I mean? I wish I did play harder. Hey, Jadrile, I got some for you. A lot of talk of major championships, everything else like that, but obviously you're such a stalwart on

the European squad for the Solheim Cup. You got a new captain coming in next year, somebody that you've been playing with and been around for a long, long time now, but total record for the Solheim Cup, you're 15, nine and three and absolutely a team captain. What makes those weeks different than, than your normal week in, week out? That's mad to think, cause I don't really like team golf. Don't I'm not a big team player. I'm not a Germany. I've never had, and I'm don't really like match play either, but I've had some

good results in a some cups. Do you know what I mean? I find it quite odd because I'm so much my own person. I like to do my own things at the same time. I hate it when everyone's trying to be like, come on, we can do this. I'm like, just shut up. I know you can do it. We do it each week in and week out. Do you know what I mean? We don't need all this rah rah rah behind us. Just get up and whack the ball down the first hole and play some golf and win your point. Do you know what I mean? We don't need all this rah rah rah behind us. Just get up and whack the ball down the first hole and play some golf. And win your point. Do you know what I mean? I don't like all the spiel that everything that goes behind it. But I think last time I'm cut, Suzanne Paterson, for me, done that really well. Like sometimes I even missed the team meetings in the evening because I was just chilling.

But I don't need all that talk because at the end of the time, we're individual players coming into this team stuff. But we're there because we're individual players. So that's just me personally. I've never really been a team player. Obviously, I want all my teams to win my points and everything, but I just don't, I find it very hard to just like gel and get into all that, you know, that stuff that goes on around it. But I thought last year I really, really did enjoy it. That's probably my favorite Solemn Cup. Even though we lost, I just really enjoyed it. Was there a difference in how Suzanne went about last year in DC compared to how everything was in Spain?

Yeah, I think it was a bit different. Obviously it's the second time around, so she would learn from the mistakes and just tidy up on things, but I think she was a great captain last time. For me anyway, personally, I thought she was a great captain. And I think Ana's gonna be a good captain because she's quiet.

But for me, the best captain I've had all the time was Katrina Matthews. When we was in Grey Lens Eagle, she was real cool. She was just chilled. Somebody that's been around the team for many years, never the head captain is Laura Davies. Do you have much of a relationship with the Damian? I like Laura. Laura's lovely.

Yeah, I don't think she would ever wanna be captain though, but I think she's great for the team. I was going to ask, does being a captain, does that ever interest you? Is that something you could see yourself doing down the line? Never, never in a million years, I'd never be captain, not bit me. Definitely not. Assistant?

Nope. Not at all, huh? No, because I'd be too agitated. I'd want to hit everyone shot. So last year in Virginia, your singles match against Nellie Corder, you defeated her six and four. Have you played much better golf than that? That was. Yeah, I've been playing pretty good golf like that all year.

I was playing pretty solid. I just had a really good day playing against Nellie. She's playing great golf. Like all that week, I knew what you had to do, make loads of birdies. And that's a beautiful match play for you. You said you don't really like the format, but what is it about match play

that doesn't really sit well with you? Cause like, you could get these players that will have blow up on one hole. They could have like an eight on hole. And it's only one down rather than you could make birdie and you're five shots ahead of them, but it's only one shot in match play do you know what I mean? That's interesting that you don't I would guess that you would love match play. I can't put her in a box right I know I know never assume and I'm sorry just by asking the

question I feel like it adds to the pressure but do you feel a pressure to win a major? Is that something that like my career would be? Yeah, I heard you say something I wanted to win since I was a little baby. I'd never fought when I was younger, I wouldn't be world number one. I hope you do, but you want to win a major. Do you know what I mean? So of course I want to win a major.

And I like the feeling of pressure. Pressure's fun. But it gives you a bit of excitement. It gives you something to work for. And I feel like through, gosh, Pebble Beach was fantastic down the stretch. You put yourself in a great spot at Walton Heath as well. Do you take stuff with you from some of these close calls?

Yeah, you do. You're just trying to think, oh, if and buts and all this about it. But at the end of the day Lillia played really well Like and then I just didn't quite play as well on that last round and I just looked at a few things You just naturally learn from the mistakes you mentioned Adam earlier and all the

Confidence and trust of giving you numbers and everything else like that obviously a very long relationship to have that so you can show up to somewhere without a yardage book and everything. But, uh, you know, it, it seems like it's difficult on the LPGA tour for people to stick with the same caddy for a long time. And you guys are kind of, I literally, ads is like my right arm. I'll be lost without him. We have such a good relationship, like to the point of the relationship is where I've hit, if I've hit a crap shot, he'll be like, well, that was shit. And I'll I'll be like I know adds thank you. Do you know what I mean? Like we'll just laugh about it. Called him a few words in my time as well. Yeah. We laugh a lot afterwards. It's just the heat of the moment.

Who uh are there any fellow players that you get along really well with or that that you know you're excited to be paired with when when you do get to play with them? Yeah I get along really well with or that you're excited to be paired with when you do get to play with them? Yeah, I get along really well with Georgia. She's from England, Georgia Hall. I get along with a lot of the girls, but I can't have one of these people. I just kind of like keeping myself to myself. I just like that. I've got my friends at home. I've got my family at home. My friends are the people at home that I was brought up with and stuff, but I have respect for a lot of the players on tour. I've got a lot of respect for N tour. I've got a lot of respect for Nelly. You know, I've got a lot of respect

for a lot of the players on tour, but then we all want to beat each other. Your tour is currently looking for a new commissioner. Charlie, if they came to you and were like, we need a few of your top ideas, if you could twitch your nose and implement some things, is there anything that you would prescribe for the LPGA tour? Truthfully, I don't get involved in that stuff.

When it comes to the players' meetings, I think I end up falling asleep half the time. This is something that catches my eye, but I've tried and keep out of the politics and stuff like that. I just think they need someone strong and trustworthy. I like Mike Won when he was the commissioner, but then listen, the end of the day, I don't get too involved in that stuff. So I just keep

out of it. As long as everybody's playing a little faster, you're that's that's all right with you. Yeah. Well, Cody, before we let Charlie go, anything else you would like to ask her? No, I mean, we're big fans of you, Charlie. We're always, whether we're at an event or talking about it on the podcast, you know, Randy mentioned there's certain people with style and emotion and willing to be themselves 100% of the time. It's hard to come by and you are always genuine. And I appreciate that.

Yeah, I think people these days, when it comes to golf, you've got, or any sport, you've got an image that they think they've got to maintain. And I just think at the end of the day, you're going to be so tired and forget who you are if you have to be false and keep this image. Just be myself. Jeremy, just be myself. If you don't like it, lump it.

End of. Yep. Absolutely. Very free. And I think you're also the proud owner now of the ultimate golf geek backyard setup. Yeah. Yeah. The putting studio, everything else. It's truly amazing. So congratulations to you on that. Cheers, guys. Nice to see you. Yep. Thank you, Charlie.