No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1019: Playoff madness in Canada, Rory speaks, Bryson at Oakmont

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Soly, Tron and Neil talk through Ryan Fox’s win in Canada thanks to a never ending playoff triumph over Sam Burns, our reactions to Rory’s comments around driver testing, LIV Virginia, Golf’s Longest Day, Bryson’s video at Oakmont, a look ahead to the upcoming US Open and more. Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠⁠⁠ Support our sponsors: ⁠⁠Footjoy ⁠⁠Omni Hotels & Resorts The Stack If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lying Out podcast. It has ended the playoff that refused to end, led late, late into the witching hour at the RBC Canadian Open. So here, TC is here. Hello TC. What a day, what a sporting day it was, Sali. Uh, we got Alcaraz center. And then

we had that Foxy Bermuda burns playoff just day for the ages. Epic, epic stuff. Neil Schuster is here. Hello. Greetings. Can we make this a tennis pod tonight? There might be more tennis to talk about the golf. Hey, we're keeping it tight tonight. We are because we have maybe 10 hours of podcasting coming later this week for the United States Open, and we're not going to burn ourselves into it. Burn ourselves out before we even get into it. We're in full prep mode for the US Open. We gave you three key features to look out for at Oakmont. They have the green expansions, unpredictable ditches that come into play

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comfort and style. The Legends Liberty is a tribute to that legacy launched for the US Open, engineered for performance, designed to honor Footjoy's long standing commitment to crafting the best golf shoes in the world. Legends Liberty launched Tuesday on footjoy.com. Also, they always kind of got a bunch of great US Open stuff. I got my US Open t-shirt here ready to go. I got US Open sweatpants as well. They got a bunch of good license US Open stuff. I got my US open t-shirt here ready to go. I got like US open sweat pants as well. They got a bunch of good license, US open stuff. So I, Neil and I actually got into an argument, a bit of a kerfluffle actually our first round of golf this week on our trip. We both busted out the foot joy, uh, premier series, the,

the field Carolinas that they did for, you know, coil hollow week. And I was like, no, I planned my outfit around me and as did I wearing them today. And then two days later, I did. I, TC was about to start crying. So I let him, I let him have it. I put the hyper flexes on it, blew his doors off. He did blow my doors off. Oh, winners from around the world. Ryan Fox wins the RBC Canadian Open. He's in my ass.

Joaquin Nieman wins in Virginia, as do the Crushers. I still don't know why he, we'll get to that. Connor- He's flunking around in there. Connor Syme wins the KLM Open. Austin Smotherman wins the BMW Charity Pro-Am. Jennifer Cupcho wins the ShopRite LPGA Classic. Samantha Wagner wins the Fire Keepers Casino Jennifer cup show wins the shop, right? L P J classic Samantha Wagner

wins the firekeepers casino hotel championship on the Epson tour. They got the sickest sick. That one's up the one that's way up in the up, right? I don't know. It's a sweet name though. I just left firekeepers at the RBC Canadian open. Sam Burns shot a final round 62 to take the clubhouse lead at four Oh two Eastern. I could not have pictured a world where he would have ended the day as the punch line, the Twitter punch line, but that's exactly what happened by the time the playoff finished. But I waited two hours for Ryan Fox to make it to the 18th hole. Fox needed birdie at the last to get any

drained it from 17 feet. The playoff I'm truly not going to go through at all. It lasted a long, long time. Ryan Fox left a putt to win about a foot short. It was a very silly playoff, a very bad hole contributed to a very silly playoff, but they play it twice. They're still tied. They went out and recut a new hole in the front, right? The first time they've done that. Change the T's, change the T's. It was the worst, worst hole. We can get into the course, but just change the T's. They tie again. Then the fourth time through, Fox hit an incredible fairway wood, stuffed it to seven feet. But by that point, I think everybody was just exhausted.

Just like, all right, finally somebody had a good shot here. Put the pressure on Burns. He hit the back left part of the green, but ran it way past and three putted. Fox would proceed to miss the putt. He didn't even sniff the hole on that birdie puttie. And he would have to mark the one coming back. He wasn't even, he was still away, which is remarkable as far as it was a true match play situation. Yeah. But Ryan Fox second win of the season wins the week before yet another major

championship plays his way into another major gets into the masters with this one. This is not an opposite field win. TC, I can, I'm very excited for this. I know you want to stick it to me over this fake Foxy thing. Yet at the same time, you know, this golf course was a complete joke. So how are you going to, how are you going to prove that Foxy's a proper player to me now yet also rip into this venue. You thread these needles better than anybody that I know. Yeah. I mean, this is one from, from, I just got this in the DMS. Hey mate, Scottish golf fan living in the U S for six years and I can't stand the bullshit solid put pipes out dissing the Euro tour. Take him to the cleaners tonight. TC our boy, Ryan Fox is an athlete, developed his game

on all the various different courses the European Tour offers. Comes across the boring fucking boom and chip pathetic PGA Tour, no doubt shows who the best golfer is. And it's not the one dimensional Bermuda Burns. Is there a more boring player out there? The Euro Tour is strong, it needs investment, but fuck me. It's a more entertaining product than the bullshit

overwatered fake green backspin boring PGA tour shit we were sadly exposed to every week. Take care. Keep fighting for the European tour. Otherwise, all we hear is the boring stat based piss from Sally. Happy Sunday. Well, a lot to go on there. Sally, you're a bottle.

Oh God. I got egg on my face there. That just disproves anything I've ever said. Again, I still don't have that genius move from TC. Didn't answer the question. He just, he threads the needle. He's fighting a proxy war. I mean, Fox, can you, can you summarize that DM for me just like in one sentence? I don't understand. I don't understand the, the, the kind of was TC's argument that it's the eye test.

He's a proper player because I guess he plays on many different types of courses on the, on the Euro tour. It's then they go to this golf course that's terrible and he wins. So what does that fruit like, I'm stuck in these words. He's already proven everything he possibly could on the European tour. What would this possibly prove? Listen, I don't. Yeah. I mean, I like Fox.

He plays too fast. You could pin me on this. I have nothing, nothing but love for ride Fox. He's a pleasure to watch play golf. Great shot in the playoff there to finally kind of put it away. But I mean, like you said, like he's not he's not strong with the putter that putt that he left, you know, the putt to win it, that he left a foot short. That was absolutely brutal.

But he's a class bloke. I'll continue to root for him. I think his, I think his best golf still ahead of him. President's cup international team put out a tweet congratulating him after it left them off the team the last two iterations as well. No, but I don't know. Just overall this week, I thought it was, I didn't catch much of it at all.

I watched a little bit of it yesterday and then I thought the playoff today. It's just the venue is one thing. It seemed like the tour just totally botched the setup as well, just with various holes. I was texting with a couple of players and they were like, yeah, like I'm not normally one to bitch about setup, but like this week was, was like a travesty. The copy paste bunkering. I know Ian Andrew did stuff up there. I like Ian, super talented architect. He's kind of the Stanley Thompson guy. And just, it's like they just copy and pasted the same bunkers on every hole up there. And the parking situation sounded like a dumpster fire, the shuttle situation.

You guys know that stuff gets me fired up. Of course. This is, I think this is the 10th year in a row that they've had the tournament in the greater Toronto area. And I, you know, I got all the Canadians and my DMs all pissy about, you know, where else are we supposed to host it? I don't know.

You're like the second largest country on earth. Figure it out. It's early June TC. Not that many courses can host it in early June because they're still coming out. All right, cool. Then move it back. Move back to early July, mid July, whatever. Figure it out.

You got plenty of great courses in Canada. I'm actually sticking up for Canada in that you have plenty of great courses. Figure out some better ones to host this at. Hamilton is great down on the west side of the Toronto area. St. George's was fine as well. And then move it around. Alberta, British Columbia, whatever. RBC, you're doing your

country a disservice. It's disgusting. Next topic. It was at no point. Look, I get it. There's good crowds out there. I give them credit for that. They do the hockey rink thing, all that. I know a little it's played out, but that's whatever. It's their chance to see top level golf come to their area and they support it. So that's not the issue here. It just like from a television product and watching it, it just never doesn't feel like a big golf tournament. And that's national opens are a big deal. It should be a big deal. This

should be one of the top seven or eight biggest golf tournaments in the world. I would say the only bright spot just flipping it on after the tennis was, which was fantastic by the way, uh, was the, the drone, the drone tracer continues to get better with the, uh, the good, bad, like chance of hitting the fairway. I loved it. I was pretty good. It was fantastic.

And I thought the land itself that the golf course was on looked pretty interesting. Neil, we used to ski up there. I know it was like it's rolling hills. It looks like you could build a really cool golf course up there. And then like the arena of 18 as an atmosphere seemed great. But Sally, like I'm sure you can highlight better than me. It's like, well, everybody's just laying up on this hole. Like you could pretty much hit your driver as long as you can find it. Like you're all going to end up hitting that 190 to 100 yard shot right by that spectator crosswalk into 18, which we saw six times in a row, I think.

That's where the question we got SH Max Schmarter. I don't know where the where the initial stop in the in the words begin there but asked does architecture really matter? And I was like, yes, like that this 18th hole was the answer why I mean, you especially where you're going to set up the T's I get I get it that was in the wind today but like, I don't know if they're worried about getting everybody through 18 it becomes a log jam if everybody's backs up to the

whole golf course if you have everybody going on 18 and two I get that. But like put some shot value on the, on the tee shot. Like there's a reason why everyone was pulling their hair out in that playoff. It was a horrible golf hole to play on repeat. And then Foxy on the one hole, the one time around that he did try to go for the green junk sprays it way right. And it's somehow stay like ends up in a perfect spot to just chip right up the hill. That was actually the time they left the putt short. Solid, they need to shave the rough.

It's an international thing now. It comes down to what is going to make this next week very special and what makes the PGA Tour difficult to get super into. I get that if you tune in golf on Sunday and just want to watch the finish of a tournament, you don't care about this stuff. I totally get that. For us that watch it in detail every single week, it gets really mundane when the championship gets decided like that, especially on the 18th hole. And next week is

going to be so completely different. And I get it's a major, that's kind of where a lot of our critiques and constant criticism of PGA Tour golf courses stem from. A lot of them are very similar in this regard. In this stretch, in the stretch, once the majors start, there's just not a lot of great golf courses that we see. I mean, Memorial's fun, Travelers is fun, but then you get into the three M's and a bunch of the other ones. There's just way too much of this that goes on. It's easy to check. I'm fine. I'm fine with most PGA tour courses. I get it. They're fine. Yeah. Yeah. Like this one, this is one of the few ones

lately that's been like offensive, you know, and then, and then they, they, they moved up the T's 50 to 60 yards on 16 and 17 today, but then left the T's back on 18. That didn't make a lot of sense. There's 53 other holes on this property. Like just send them to go play the wrinkle or Sally, like you said, like do a chip off or the solid. Like you said, do a chip off at some point. It was like that DP world tour event 10 or 12 years ago. I think it was the Spanish open where they played the same 50 par four 10 times in a row or that LPGA event down in Dallas that I think it was like Paula creamer and somebody that they just kept playing like the worst par five I've ever seen. And at least that's like interesting, right? Or the one in Mexico earlier this year, like that

was at least interesting. And it's like a car crash that you can't turn away from. This was just wildly bland and some of the worst wedges I've ever seen into 18. There's a question here from Wallace Filliam. What would be the most fun rule for playoff situations like this? I think we kind of danced around earlier, but just implementing that we're moving up a T every, every time. I've got to go. Other than, other than a driver and putter, maybe even driver every time you go, you can't use the same.

You got to drop a club every time. If you've used Briwood, like you got to hit lamp with a different, you got to, you got to get rid of your lob wedge. You've used that. You can keep putter in the bag, like you gotta hit lay up with a different, you gotta get rid of your lob wedge. You've used that. You can keep putter in the bag, but you can only use your driver once,

you know, and then you gotta just kind of cycle through. See, I prefer this versus them playing a different hole. Like I like the idea of implementing a creative rule like this, or like, cause I never moved the hole. It was like, whoa, never seen anything like that. They moved the hole, but then they say we couldn't possibly move the T box because the we didn't tell the players that we could do that ahead of time.

It's like, look, tell the players you could do that ahead of time. That if you need to just give them a two, just a gentleman's agreement. Hey guys, you guys tie. We're moving the keys up next time back here. Just like before, you know, on the third playoff hole, if there's a fourth playoff hole, we're moving the T's up. Yeah. I mean, they, they just came up with the tour championship stuff last week. I know. Right. For sure. So before we move on, I want to talk a little Sam Burns. Sure. You know, we've been calling, I, I mentioned in the Slack, but the boys club,

the rider cup boys club is going to be the little boys club for a while. Okay. That was, you know, missed a five footer, maybe a six footer on the first playoff hole to ice it. 62 hats off to Sam Burns, but I feel like he's been the forgotten man for a while. If he had won today, I would have felt like it was a bit like Hovland winning at Valspar. Just kind of popped up, got a win. And I bet he's, you know, with his brand name and his past rider cup appearances, I think he finds his way onto that team. Maybe not as much now, but that's what I was thinking about watching this playoff. I'm like,

man, that's not getting me excited for the midfield of the USA team. It's a bunch of little boys, other than Xander or sorry, well, Xander looks like a little boy with his outfits, but other than Scotty and Bryson, and then I'll throw Xander or sorry, well, Xander looks like a little boy with his outfits, but other than Scotty and Bryson, and then I'll throw Xander in there. It's just like, what are we doing? We got, there's no depth on the U S team. So I just, I was a little disappointed that Burns couldn't get it, couldn't get it done in the playoff. I don't know what to think in regards to this because it was going to be like, Oh shit, do we have to fight off a guaranteed spot for Sam Burns if he wins this? Because I don't

think that's a good situation to be in. As I've said, giving up Andrew Novak's, I know Andrew Novak's spot is gone and we got to is JJ spawn spot gone now. I can't keep track. We have to give one to burns. I am of the opinion that make or miss in the, in the playoff win or lose this tournament. I think he's probably going to be around the same player if he plays in the

rider cup or not. So that's kind of the long winded way of, of, of the way I've come up with my stance for, for the Ryder Cup. I think is it, this shouldn't affect things greatly. I think like Sam has, look, he played some really good golf over his last six golf tournaments, right? He's, he's emerging trend of waking up from a year long slumber. He's not been playing very well.

If he plays like this through the end of the year, do I think he becomes a stronger candidate to make the team? Yes. Should he make it because he was there on Rome and can buddy up with, with Scotty Scheffler? No, I don't think those are great reasons why, but the bottom is out there to be won by somebody.

And he's certainly a candidate for it. But again, I will stress, we have a long ways to go. And we could completely forget about this little spike in decent play come several months from now just like we likely will with Andrew Novak, whether you guys get you excited, Sally doesn't get me excited. Not a lot is gonna get me excited about the way the bottom of this team fills out. I think it's kind of been my whole point from from the jump. I've still not even

said that speech should be on the team. And I'm getting very angry DMs from people like how fucking odds on baby. I think he is more likely to be but I have not pinned him in on the team. And people are still getting unreasonably upset about any of these comments, which I'm looking forward to the discourse over the next several months on all that. But again, I think today changes nothing other than like, Oh, okay. Sam Burns playing some good golf, but I probably would have said the same if he finished T5 today as well. Cameron Young? That's interesting. That's interesting. Signs of life. Again, not a great golf. I

think that there were some guys that Matt McCarty played well, proper player, Teo Manicero up there. Is he gonna be on the European team? Yeah, no. You gotta put him in. TC is top 10. Left Snipes going. How do you not put him on the team?

T.C. T.C. has played well. Put him on the team. BabySkins, Ludwig, 65, 66 on the weekend. He's shown signs. Trinne Lowry. Danny Willett, put him on the team. Jesper Svensson, one of the Paul brothers, Jeremy Paul, Thomas Detry.

But Sally, I think whenever you see Cameron Champ on the first page of a leaderboard, you just got to think, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? Is that an architect's worst nightmare? I mean, it's coming for you. He was eighth in strokes gained off the tee. he's just like, he's just not a good golfer. He's, he's a good driver of the golf ball. Not a good golfer. He's like the American Kendricks.

That's why it's, it gets frustrating to talk, to break down a golf tournament. We're like, ah, they weren't really even like testing anything that was worth. Not a serious event. Right. That Right, that's where I'm at. Speaking of very unserious, Roy McIlroy shot 71-78 to miss the cut by a mile. He said about the driver, he said, still I felt like I came here obviously with a new driver thinking that sort of was going to be good and solve some of the problems off the tee, but it didn't. Obviously going to Oakmont next week,

what you need to do more than anything else there is hit fairways. Obviously, for me, when I get that part of the game clicking, then everything falls into place for me. Right now, that isn't. Yeah, that's a concern going into next week. So I went back to a 44-inch driver this week to try to get something that was a little more in control and could try to get something a bit more in play.

I was saying to Harry going down the last time is the second time this year I've tried the new version and it hasn't quite worked out for me. So I'd say I'll be testing quite a few drivers over the weekend Guys, I've refused to believe this is just a bad driver head or a driver head that failed the test couldn't get that caused this Big of an effect. He can't find a similar driver head in that model of driver to to to match up with that You see if that's true Sorry, then I would of similar driver head in that model of driver to, to, to match up with that. If that's true, sorry, then I would probably start to get more vocal about, I would love to know more about these tests and who's failing them. And,

and because like that has a lot of implications on especially as far as I know, guys get tested twice a year. Interesting. Yeah. So he said this week that he was tested. He was tested in March. The last time it was tested tested in March. The last time it was tested was in March. And then it tested again in May. And that's where it failed. Anyways, so question is it. Transparency would be great. It would. The whole process stinks. I think it.

When Peter Costas is the voice of reason on X, the everything app, he had a great, great take this week. He's like, this comes back to transparency, like everything else with the PGA tour and the lack thereof. And it seemed a little misguided because this was USDA and PGA of America at the PGA championship. I guess, unless you're saying, well, why isn't the PGA tour doing this every week? I think is, yeah, well, yeah, it's basically like they're, they're, they're throwing the ball into the PGA tours court

and saying, Hey, how do you guys want to handle this? These tests are normally confidential. You know, like they're not trying to piss the tour off or the players trying to do it. Like they're, they're testing on behalf of PGA of America and the PGA tour each week. Yeah. Which we can, well, we can get into some of that, but the question from our man 18, is it time to consider a bet of Rory missing the cut at Oakmont? We have a full Oakmont preview to go, but just a simple question there.

I think that'll be one of the more fascinating. I mean, I guess I was of the mind that Rory was going to be rejuvenated monkey off his back, wanting to just feel like he's just running downhill after the Masters. And it seems like it's kind of had the opposite effect of he seems, you know, just exhausted or disinterested. I know like sounds like he's been working with a crisis PR team for the last few months. Just not a good vibe. It just doesn't seem like golf is the priority right now for him. Which is, which I don't understand because it's like Roy's so good.

It's like he's so good with the media. And now it's like, he's just, so he's listening to other people. And it's like his stuff before we do, sorry, the 44 inch driver thing. So, so I went back to a 44 inch driver. How long has he not? How has he been playing a 45 inch driver thing. So, so I went back to a 44 inch driver. How long is he not? How has he been playing a 45 inch driver? That's the other piece of this like, well, you change the length of your driver, maybe that kind of threw some things off.

I think it was like the 45 for whatever the length was, was going bad. It's going crooked. I let's do a shorter driver to try to get the ball straightened out here. And that still didn't work, I think is kind of what he was getting at there. When I did the skillshaft driver on straps, you know? Listen, there are some unintended consequences when you change shafts. Come on, we all know that.

He was nine over this week. I mean, at some point, some of that just had to be like, I'm done. Get me out, cash me out. I'd like my weekend back please. So it's gotta be a feeling of like, dude, this place is not helping me get ready for Oakmont right now. Yeah. Like he lost a Cougar, a gentleman named Cougar Collins, Canadian gentleman named Cougar Collins by three, Mike Weir lost to him by five, a variety of Canadian amateurs and shout out to Gordon Sargent,

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have any family members that can like, I don't know, keep it under 120. Get PDA or just score even. No, Freddie, he had, he had a PGA junior league today. He requested that he play with his friend Fletcher today. And he's like, dad, I requested to play with Fletcher because you and Fletcher's dad are friends and I wanted you guys just to be able to hang out together while you were watching us. Awesome. He had a great putt. He didn't take the flag out on the ninth hole to putt and it hit the flagstick and bounced out. And I'm like, well, we're going to work on that.

But just teaching these kids like the little cues of when, when, when it's their turn. Like I was the marker for the, for the group today. So I had to, you know, write down all the scores and stuff and they're all so worried about par instead of, I'm like, just count your strokes up. It's, I don't, it does not matter what the par, cause they're playing from, you know, they're playing from like the middle of the fairway on certain holes on, but just par is irrelevant. All right. This is, this is a problem throughout golf. We've been screaming that for 11 years. Now I'm thinking about it. Maybe you and I should join the generation.

Just wreck people. That's interesting. As mentioned here is Rory finally, finally speaking to media this week about all the weirdness that went down around the PGA We talked a lot about this so I feel like we need to close the book on this one and Going back to the PGA for one second considering all the good vibes you sort of brought into that after the Masters It was a little surprising when you didn't speak after any of your rounds a few weeks removed Can you sort of let us know maybe what was up with that? Was it performance related? Was it something else? And more broadly, where do you think the level of responsibility is or perhaps should be

for players to speak to the media after rounds? Yeah. Yeah, look, the PGA was a bit of a weird week. I didn't play well the first day, so I wanted to go practice, so that was fine. Second day we finished late. I wanted to go back and see Poppy before she went to bed. The driver news broke. I didn't really want to speak on that. Saturday I was supposed to tee off at 8.20 in the morning. I didn't tee off until almost two o'clock in the afternoon, another late finish, didn't really, was just tired, wanted to go home. And then Sunday, I just wanted to get on the plane and go back to Florida. So yeah, like I, and also like the driver stuff, there was, I was a little

pissed off because I knew that Scotty's driver at field on Monday but my name was the one that was leaked it was supposed to stay confidential two members of the media were the ones that leaked it so why you know I and again like I I didn't want to get up there and say something that I regretted either you know because there's a lot of people that I'm trying to protect Scotty I don't want to mention his name trying to protect Taylor made I'm trying to protect the USGA PJ of America myself you know so I just didn't want to mention his name. I'm trying to protect TaylorMade. I'm trying to protect the USGA, PJ of America, myself. So I just didn't want to get up there and say something

that I regretted at the time. And with Scotty's stuff, that's not my information to share. I knew that that had happened, but that's not on me to share that. And I felt that process is supposed to be kept confidential. And it wasn't for whatever reason and you know that's why I was I was pretty annoyed at that and then from a responsibility standpoint like I

understand but you know if we all wanted to I could we could all bypass you guys and we could just go on this and we could go on social media and we could talk about around and do it our own way. We understand that that's not ideal for you guys and you know there's a bigger dynamic at play here and I talked to you guys and I talked to the media a lot. I think there should be an understanding that this is a two-way street and as as much as you know We need to speak to you guys, you know, we're sort of yeah, like this is we understand the benefit that comes from You being here and giving us the platform and everything else. So I understand that but

Again, I've been beating this drum for a long time Like if if they want to make it mandatory, that's fine. But in our rules, it says that it's not. And until the day that that's maybe written into the regulations, you're going to have guys skip from time to time. And that's well within our rights. It's a lot there. A lot there.

I'd start with the driver testing stuff. I kind of wish there was a follow up question of like, what are you pissed about? Like it's like, oh, these things happen. Like I'm hearing two stories. It's like, oh, they test these drivers. Sometimes they fail. It's not, there was no intent. It's not the player's fault.

You're so you're pissed that it got leaked. And it was confidential. But he didn't do anything wrong. Why does it matter if it got leaked? And like, why would you want to get up there and immediately like say that Scotty's driver failed to like, I guess I have to mention Scotty's name like he was. That's what I mean. I don't understand why that is like you were so he said he was pissed. I want to know what he's pissed about, I guess is my my I think somebody in the testing process leaked it to media. Right. And he said the media

leaked it, which is not what media does. Media reports things like somebody leaked it to the media on the flip side. Let's say Rory drives like shit all week. We have no idea why that's an issue as well. That's kind of what I've been saying. These tests should not be confidential. It's like, it's, it's actually, and then if you follow it up and say, Hey, I'm really struggling to find a driver that was working as well as the one that just failed the test. It's like, that is starting to become more of a story. And if you didn't know he failed the test, it'd just be like, I don't know. It just feels like it there. Yeah. That should be more transparent. And then on the flip side, I think with Rory, it's like, yeah, he shouldn't be put in a

position to have to protect tailor made or protect the USGA, which I don't know, you know, or, or the PGA tour, the PGA of America or Scotty or anybody else. Like they should just same thing with like, you know, like, I don't know. It's just weird to me too that, yeah, like let's say there is, they're taking personal responsibility out of these guys' hands as well of like, you should, it should be your responsibility to play conforming equipment. And when that, when that thing goes over the line, you better be damn sure that if they do just announce it publicly, or if they, they should test everybody's driver after like the top five guys, they should test the driver after the route. And then, you know what, like you better

be damn sure that guys are going to make sure that their drivers are conforming at the beginning of the week, one way or another. Um, I think the hard part is like, I just think there's like, the detail, like, so what happened with Xander prior to 2019, whatever it was, or 18, like he was tested, I believe by Callaway, it was within the league, the limit and the different testing platform done by the RNA said he was barely over it. So it's like, they got to figure out that this is important or not, right? Because like, carry out statements, basically, like, it's like one year, pros have

said, it's like one yard, whatever is important, then everybody should be tested, right? If it's not important, don't bother testing at all. This is a silly thing. Three woods are hot as shit. Like they don't test those. You know, that's where I agree with that solid. It's like we're either do it or don't. But we're kind of they're just like halfway and they're even confidential. It's like, what are we? It's pointless.

And I think, I guess I struggled with part like where he's the four different reasons why he skipped media all four days. He all sucked. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I could go on my phone and talk about my round. Like, that's not the point of media. It's like, they're going to ask a question like that is supposed to be representative of like what fans would like to hear an answer on.

Like, yeah, you can go on there and say this, but like there's an art to like asking a question and having somebody answer it in some way. And if you say I don't want to answer it, that's telling in some way you're not going to do that like on your own. I think it too many of these guys view like the media as like the problem here when it's like they're the media is just just like giving information to fans. This is your chance to speak to fans. You don't have to do this, but know that it is going to be viewed as, I don't know, chicken shit at times. Like I believe those are the phrases we used after the US opened last time around. I wouldn't necessarily say it for this time around of like when you lose and storm off,

like people are gonna like think differently of that. Like that's just kind of part of the deal. It drains the credit in the bank. You know, it just gives you a little bit of insurance. It allows you to honestly get out in front of some stuff. And not let narratives build. Yeah, don't get away from you. The reason that people like him

is because he does the right stuff a lot of the time. He can't seed that. And then also, I know at the PGA championship for a fact that he, that he slunk off and was really shitty in the way that he declined too. It wasn't just like, nope, nope. Not, you know, not going to, and it's just, that's frustrating. I think his intimation that unless they mandate everybody to do it, that he's picking up more than his fair share of the slack. I hear that from him because there's other guys that I think that's their new the media at all. But

also like going back to you know whether it's Pinehurst or other places juxtapose that with I know Roy's a huge tennis fan juxtapose that with Connick Center getting up today after losing and just talk bro the loser gets up and addresses the crowd and without an interview. Yes. That's incredible. Right. And it's pretty much every tennis major championship, men's and women's and juxtapose that with some of the chicken shit stuff that we see from the men's golfers. And the tennis stuff is in this arena of, it's far more emotional and far more physically grueling and just psychologically taxing.

It is a true mental game. And you know what, TC, I was rooting against Sinner and after the interview I was kinda like, ah, now I kinda feel bad for rooting against the guy. Like dude, I kinda like Sinner. I know, I ran up on the doping stuff. Anyway, we'll take that offline. The doping stuff's outrageous. It is, but I just doesn't strike me as a guy that will be cheating. I mean, he's on HGH. The guy's so spindly. It's crazy.

Okay. My favorite part of the Rory stuff was, you know, we could just bypass you guys and hop on our phones and talk directly to the odds. I was like, by all means, dude, would love to see you do that after a run. None of you guys are going to do that. So then what does that leave us with? Like you could do it. You should do it. Honestly, it's going to leave us with nothing because unless somebody asks you a question, you would never do that. All it's going to be is like your brand partner stuff on your Instagram. You're not going to speak directly to the, to the fans. None of you do it. Also, though, I, you know, I just wanted to get on the plane. You have your own plane. It can take off 10 minutes later. It can take off seven minutes later.

I know it doesn't have to be a full sit down. You can be with the media for four and a half minutes. I'm not even going to do questions today. I'm just going to issue a statement and talk for a couple of minutes. Yeah, that blows me away. How far do you think, is it outside the realm of possibility that like, I think Rory's likely moving to London? Is it outside the realm of possibility that Rory just rocks up to the majors and three or four other tournaments a year, and just almost semi-retires for a little bit? That's unlikely. I think, I think he would play closer to just like just Siggy's, not even all the Siggy's. I mean, he'd play the, he'd play the 15 minimum on the PJ tour, I think. I can see him dropping below that. I could too, TC. I mean, I don't, I don't think I could ask him. Ask him in the media. Yeah. Next time we go, I just, I think they build up these talking in the media. I mean, I guess easy for me to say, but I don't find it to be that much of a burden to join a media scrum.

If somebody catches you walking out of the locker room, like, yeah, if you don't want to go sit down at the podium, I get that, but you could probably still just like, hey, man. That's where relationships come in. I'm happy to answer a couple of questions, but I'm trying to catch my bird. Or hey, meet me out by my car and I'll, I'll talk to you. Yeah, I just, I said it on a podcast. Like I

think it was right after the PJ. I'm like, I just don't know where this, this thing about the media is kind of like has been confrontational with any of these golfers, like other than Brian Harmon and his lust for blood and hunting at the open championship. I can't really think of anything else that is like out of bounds where people were like keying somebody up. I mean, the tennis media is so much like harder on, you know, like sabalink like the they're they're probing the other there. They're I think much worse than the

golf media. I don't know. I just think that's a false narrative that more cow was saying that like, Oh, you guys never come around when I'm happy. It's like, dude, you're the king of like walking around the range with your head down. So no one talks to you. Like you only come and talk to me when I, after a tough loss. It's like, that's just not true, man. Like, well, it's also, if you don't do it, like people are going to fill in the gaps. If you don't speak on it, like you're going to lose control of the narrative. If you don't say things is kind of like the number one. This is your opportunity to manipulate us. Like take it. It's, it's, it's a, like, it's a gift.

Anyways, one other thing I think that's good. That's getting washed out from Rory's stuff was just going back to like, he said, yeah, you know what? Like I just haven't been that motivated to go practice. It's hard to practice for three and four hours after accomplishing that, which, yeah, I get it. I don't love hearing that as somebody that roots for him as a competitor, but I'm sure it'll bounce back. I think it's, yeah, I can understand that in the immediate aftermath, but it also kind

of goes up against like, oh yeah, I think I'm good at these things are going to free freely flow now, or I'll be so much more freed I think I'm good at these things are going to free freely flow now. Or I'll be so much more freed up. I forget what the exact words are in that one. I was like, I don't know. Check it out. If you think he's burned out now, wait until he goes back to port rush and has to answer all those questions all over again.

You know, anyways, a couple other nuggets. Saw it's a gala had to withdraw again, like his third withdrawal in the last couple last four tournaments, something like that explains helps explain why he's outside the top 100 in the FedEx has been a real bummer of a year for size. I hope he's back up and healthy on a lot quicker than it seems it's lingering. It's lingering and I want that to end very quickly for him. Any other things you want to shout out here to see?

No, I'm good. I will see I will see by time back. I you want to shout out here, TC? No, I'm good. I will see. I will see my time back. I do want to say that we said on the Epson tour earlier, Firekeepers is at Battle Creek. Then they go to Harbor Springs. They go to the Heather course up at Boyne next week. And then they go to the Island Resort Championship up in Sweetgrass Golf Club in Harris, Michigan, which is actually a really, really sick spot. So anyway. Listen, I know I mentioned that bad massage. Not only did I miss my round of golf, I got,

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According to Rick Shields. According to Rick Shields at Robert Trent Jones. Yokeen Neiman, I was going to have you try to pronounce it, Neil, to see what you would go with there. But it's what's off. It is. But for Neil, it's Yokeen Neiman. Yeah. My guy Keen.

Yokeen. He holds off honor bond, Lahiri for his sixth win on the live tour. How many, how many times would Neiman have to live to win on live to move the needle for you guys? Uh, I mean, you would have to win like four or five times in one year. I mean, he's a very good golfer, you know, but I think it's time for him to, you know, bring it to the big stage next week, you know, at Oakmont, but I don't think he's going to, he's probably not going to be there.

He'll be there. He'll be there. Yeah. He's cool. He's in, right? I think so. He got a special exemption, right? He was the lead. The special exemption goes to the number one player on live. There we go. Okay. I was, I was unsure because I don't, you know, I had to think on that for a second. Yes. This is, uh, it's so wild. They go from, they go, they go to Merida after this. And then they go to Valderrama. Then they go to JCB and then they go to bowling brook.

They're just all over the place right now. This is his fourth win of the season. I'm just getting wordy. He won Adelaide, Singapore, Mexico city. And now this one, but it's kind of like, I don't know, it's kind of like Gonzaga winning the, you know, winning their conference. Yeah. Like, all right, unless you're going to go do it in the final four, I just don't think

11th straight wax on a Pepperdine and, uh, I will say he's one on a variety of different courses. Robert Jones, very different golf course than, than Mexico city. So correct. That is accurate. How many leagues do I'm probably not great ninth, ninth. They will. They had a, they had their big drop this Blandy shot 65 and round three.

They had their big drop this week with public drip. Did you guys see that? I set some aside for you, TC. on three. They had their big drop this week with public drip. Did you guys see that? I set some aside for you, TC. I'm sure it's sold out at this point. The quote was the vibe is clear. This isn't about dressing like a golfer. It's about expressing style in a way that reflects where sport and street overlap and doing it with intent. Nothing, nothing's screened to sport and street like Richard Bland.

hint. Nothing, nothing's between supreme sport and street. Like Richard bland. It's you see my Instagram story where I threw that off with, uh, with that quote, with his picture on it. It's so good. Sport and it would be so good if this was a bit for them. Like your clique stuff is so good because it's a bit, they're a hundred percent serious and there's Pete, like the bots are out there like reinforcing it and like praising it as if it's a very real thing. And it just makes me laugh. Red Harrington. Oh my God. It makes me laugh so hard. I've been spending so much less time on Twitter that like I've kind of been like, man, lifts up has kind of died down. And like you just go back on there and you read one

of like, Oh my God, these people are still doing this. Still doing it every week. Like I just cannot imagine this existence. Phil, Phil even had his first golf tweet since May 18 today. During the rain delay tweeted out that he had a three footer to tie the lead. He actually finished t4. He had a ridiculous hole out today. He tweeted that was it like come watch like, a three footer to Yeah, this is gonna be fun. Come watch. I don't see it worked on me.

But you know, as a fan of the high flyers, the GM has just been just been tweeting about political stuff for the last several months and it's time to it's time to fill in some questions about the status of this franchise. I'm just trying to picture like a real sports league. Imagine like, you know, a GM just only tweeting, like very political stuff, like political charge stuff as their, as their franchise tanks, uh, how, how fans of that league and D would treat that. I still am worried how that went. He did it once. It got, got, got ugly pretty quick for him. Yeah. Uh, Matt Wolf withdrew after the first round,

he was replaced on the range goats by all these Schneider Jans, uh, Joe's old baluster or biast air, or whatever you pronounce it. He signed the fireballs. Just went straight into the, into the league mid season, uh, as well. Who got exiled from the fireballs? That's a good question. They've got Massivu Sergio, honest Abe, and then ballastare. Hold on. What do you think Ballastare, you know, because he looks like he forfeited some corn fairies

starts. Does he? What kind of number you think he's getting? Oh, Pooch. What happened to Pooch? Pooch get ousted? I don't know. We'll dive into this.

You heard it. What happened to pooch? Who'd you get ousted? I don't know what that will. We'll dive into this. Probably not a ton of upfront. I'm not here. Oh, he's injured. He's a pooch is injured. I feel like he would need to get some upfront to forego. I don't think so because you get 120 K for showing up every week.

Like, okay, fair enough. Maybe you just did the back of the napkin. It was like, I'll just take the ball play this league for as long as it exists. And, you know, then maybe pursue that. Like, it's just not the worst strategy in the world. It's not like I don't I don't fault him for it. You know, especially straight into playing for that or like maybe grind it out like extremely hard on the corn fairy tour where you're

just gonna get put in a blender with another 150 similar guys to you. Like, that's not that hard of a decision. I mean, yeah. Am I shocked the guy that Pete and Rays Creek and said he would do it again immediately sign with live? No, I'm not surprised by that deal. It just didn't shock me. I raised Creek thing. People made it sound like he's peeing like right in front of like 12 green. It was over by the woods off of 13. Like it was deep in raised. Everybody saw it.

No, the P I think people standing along the like it wasn't like raised Creek. Is it, isn't it a tribute? I was a tributary to raise Creek. That's the thing. It was a tribute. I think the reporting was wrong. As I understand it, it was off of 13 fairway, which I have less of a problem with. Okay. I was also told this show is off the rails. This TV deal was going to be a big thing. They played on Fox Business on Saturday.

Then they were FS2 and FS1. Fox Business is sick. Fox Business on Saturday. Which, listen, you know, you can cast the first stones there, but I've seen the tour on MSNBC or CNBC. Really? What events? Yeah. When? Never. They're on USA this week with US open and then they moved to NBC. I didn't, I was not making any comment on like, Oh, lives, you know,

like Bush league or whatever. Cause they're on, I just think Fox business is funny. Cause I don't think anyone watches Fox business. Yeah. They're flexing into USA because that's in more homes in the golf channel. Like that's, that's why the NBC does that. I don't think they were on FS2 cause that's in more homes than Fox. They should let Phil do, do a pregame show on Fox business. He's been doing all sorts of economic tweets. Hey guys, I gotta, I gotta get out. I got a tee time. Sorry.

He was entertaining, man. He had his whole out was, I don't know if you guys saw that highlight. He's on like a bunker tongue facing. It was classic Phil. It was classic. Like guys, it's really not that hard of a shot. Okay. It was like, it went like 90 degrees right. It was crazy. Can we, can we, any dream for Phil this week?

Will he make the cut at Oakmont? I don't think it's a great setup for him. I don't think any of a great setup for him. I don't think any of the U S yeah. Based on how I like what I watched in person, I watched it for nine holes at, uh, at Quail Hollow. It's just the way he whales on driver to try to keep up with the young bucks. I don't think that's going to go well on a U S open setup. So he's not qualified for next year.

Correct. Oh, we got to get him back to Shinnecock. That just for old times. That would be the best way to go out. He should if he's about to miss the cut, he should scoop it on 18 at Shinnecock. That should be the way you should run after the putt and scoop it and then just run straight straight to the parking lot. I'm just getting word the crushers won this week.

They beat the aces. Yeah. So. I'm just getting word the crushers won this week. They beat the aces. Yeah so all of a dynasty aces On to the back nine actually the back six We're playing an emergency six tonight in hopes to keep it this tight and get into us open week long Is they have golf go ahead real quick Austin smotherman did win in? BMW charity Pro-am but I wanted to give a shout out to T7 Travis trace, you Neil, keep an eye on him.

He sounds like he had a rookie artist of the year award at the CMT. I saw that. He finished, he finished one, one stroke ahead of Bryce Lewis. It also sounds like he may be out there on the, he's a little, Bryce Lewis is a little grungier. You know, he's kind of got, he's a little more outlaw country. Where Blades Brown finish? Spencer Levine, T-13.

Love seeing that. Anyways, onto the emergency six loop, the whiskey loop. And then we're not doing anything with the LPGA tour this week because Cup Show won and it was one of their 54 hole events at the ShopRite, which we're good there. We don't honor 54 hole events. It's tradition here. So longest day in golf was on Monday.

The US Open qualifier seems like a long, long time ago. The big story, the pro was out carrying his own bag. Any other notables you had from qualifying on Monday? long time ago, the big story, the pro was out carrying his own bag. Uh, any other notables you had from, uh, from qualifying on Monday, your dad wanted to go to the caddy farm. It was at my dad's club is where they, uh, where they played. And I was, I made a joke in our Slack about like, Oh, my dad probably offered to cat. Sure enough, my dad did offer to caddy for him. Uh,

he said about 20 other max and about 20 other people offered to caddy for him as well. But, uh, I think he was on a little walkabout. That's sucked from a three part of the last hold again to end up in a playoff and then end up missing in the playoff. And Cam Young won it, right? Was that the same site? It's been a long time. Yeah, it was.

Let's see. First of all, sorry, I apologize to your dad for having to, Cam Young did not win that one, but he did get, he did qualify. He won the playoff, birded the first playoff hole. He had Van Royen, Bud Colley, Sully's guy Lanto, Justin Lauer, Harrison Ott, and Cam Young get through that one ahead of country music sensation, Eric Cole, Max Homa, Ricky Fowler, Jimmy Hardkay, Chez,odra, a Noren. I do think, uh, sorry, that's, that's kind of an unbecoming qualifying site for us.

US open for 36 holes. Yeah. That's in, that's in Columbus. Yeah. Yeah. Can sell golf and fitness club. One of the fitness club that a golf course, I would say just, it's just tricked up. It's just not, you know, like Brookside. Are you just, are you just talking about all his dad's course? Oh, it's so unnecessary right now. I would say, but I'll say, say, Iota columnist country club, double Eagle, the golf club. There's so many put it on. Yeah.

They probably don't want to, nobody else is right. You know, go back to Brookside. No shout out to Kinsale for hosting it. Exactly. Exactly. But the Ohio golf association needs to step their shit up. God, just straight associations are going to be put on notice tonight. On the flip side, the Miami Valley golf association hosted another

wonderful qualifier at Springfield country club, 6,600 yard golf course. Wonderful qualifier at Springfield Country Club. 6,600 yard golf course. Seven under got through as the medalist from that one. Five under, five under, and four under. Our friend Zach Blair beat John Peterson in a playoff. Zach hit it to like two feet on number four, which is one of the hardest holes I've ever played. So.

Third time for Zach qualifying. And shout to Matt Vogt from amateur who plays in the Gasparilla. A dentist, that was the big story. He's going to get some run. This US Open. He was a former caddy at Oakmont. He qualified. I played with him actually one year. When we filmed, he's in a bunch. He's in the background of a lot of our, one of our Gasparilla videos. He qualifies for the US Open, it's fricking epic. And then we, we had what Luke Poulter finished first alternate on Emerald Dunes down at West Palm.

He beat Blades Brown by one, Nikolai Hoygard by two. So impressive stuff there. I don't, I love, we could do a whole show on US Open qualifying, which we don't need to do that today. I love- It's always the worst timing for our podcast cadence of it's like six days old at this point, but it was a really fun day to follow on, on, on Monday guys. This, this is like the number one thing I'm buzzing on this week. You guys got to check it out.

I don't think you guys, I know you're traveling and probably haven't Bryson went to Oakmont on May 31st and every single shot. And it is absolutely electric content. I've never as far as I know, we've never had this going into a major of like one of the favorites of winning the tournament, just like filmed an entire practice round. One just like getting to actually like, I have all these thoughts in my head from playing the course looking at all the drone footage of what's going to fit all this. And then like TC on 10, he started on 10 and

Bryson just drove it over the ditch on 10. I didn't even think that was possible his first hole of the day and it was cold. I'm just like, Oh, okay. Well, I got to recalibrate for that hole. I know not every player can do that, but that's different. I thought the whole point of the ditch was- He was doing 11. It was back into the wind and he hit like a fairway wood on that, but it didn't get... He was like, oh, I would hit driver if I went to do it again. Because that back tee is way farther back than how we played 11. But it was like, one, it was an incredible look at the golf course for next week. It was cold and it's probably going to play a little bit different, but it's...

Two, it was like watching Bryson... I don't watch a lot of his YouTube stuff. I just don't have the time. This is like first time I've ever sat down and just watched a video from beginning to end. Watching him embrace the role, like he, I truly believe he enjoys being a content creator more than he does a professional golfer.

Like he just is doing like the cookie cutter. I mean, it's, it's very gooberish, but just like an impression of a YouTube golfer just like talking to camera like, oh, let's go. We need a birdie here, guys. Guys, I thought we had a birdie there. It's so funny to be one to watch, but also watching him flip the switch and talk with Jibo is caddy about like all the golf shots and like how he does the calculations and how fast he does them kind of just blew my mind of just like, all right, we're 210, plan 218, 1036 iron go, boom, and his clubs in his

hand he goes like it's really and watching him calculate how he does things on putts. I mean, we don't get the actual audio when he does this on the golf course. So to get that breakdown as well of how he how he breaks putting down into the most mathematical and simple way possible. And like he hit one putt where like the putt is six feet out and he knew it was in based on the aim point and everything he had done. And it was just, it's an electric video. It was really, really impressive. And it was just great to watch literally every, and it's just amazing again to watch it just like how much being really long at driving just

neutralizes a golf course. Any other surprises? Not really surprises other than just like, oh, I thought this was going to be really complicated and if you just pound a drive 330, none of it's complicated after that was frustrating. He had a good driving day, I would say, and he didn't get himself into thick rough with driver which is like what I think we're all waiting to see is will the thick rough throttle these guys in a lot of spots and it just

never really happened for him using some thick rough around the greens he was way too dramatic about he like dropped a ball just off 12 or off of 11 t in like the heather like this is the rough we got to deal with this week guys like Kevin Nau style. It was like fine. Find the longest shit that's not in play on the course and then drop the ball there. It was very silly, but I thought yeah, the back nine definitely played easier. I mean the drivable 17th, I mean, 17 was super easy for him

and two were just like super easy pound driver. I think it fairway would on 17, but just drove it right up there and made easy birdies. But, uh, the greens were still not there yet. I mean, like it is a good look at the course, but I think everything is going to come, they're going to do their best to make this place come alive. I think they've gotten one tweet out. They've got 13 inches of rain over the last,

since like May 10th or something like that. Drenched city the last couple of days too. So it's, it's tough, but yeah, they, they could tell like the greens still still were not didn't have that bite, which I think is going to be kind of the whole thing. But yeah, just Bryson just his commitment to being like an AI generated YouTube golfer while also being one of the best in the world is just fascinating. Like it really, it really was and it's such a more enjoyable version. Like I don't think Bryson has absolved of all of his sins character wise, but this version is a lot more entertaining. I'm at least happy for him that he's found this outlet to kind of do something. This is way more interesting to

me than Break 50. I just don't care to watch any of those videos, but this was like, oh, I get to preview a major course. This is good shit. Shout shout to him on that. Stick is out on Apple TV. Have you guys seen this yet? Are you interested? We're gonna skip over the data goal. I'm gonna move I'm moving some stuff around here. I'm moving some stuff around here. All right. Yes, I have not sampled stick yet.

I'm not I saw the trailer. I wasn't. I also don't have Apple TV. Jones into watch it. Sorry. Apple TV doesn't really miss though. Is the only they've missed a few. Yeah. Okay. I haven't seen much. Well, they lean into like a lot of the sci-fi stuff too, which just isn't really for me. Um, maybe I'll fire it up at some point. You know, I know you guys talked about happy Gilmore coming out next.

What? Yeah. You had a very significant role in that, right? No, not at all. But if they, there's a very good chance that they cut the scene. If that I would have a cameo in and if they did, it probably was like just a waste of a million dollars. And so, oh my God. Yeah. I mean, like a million crazy. What say again, oh my God. Yeah, I mean like, A million dollars? It'd be crazy.

What, say again TC? Million dollars? I think so, based on the venue that was rented out for this scene. I'm not gonna spoil it. I'll talk about it after the movie comes out. But I'm curious. I have no idea if your boy's gonna make an appearance

or not. Are you like a sag? If you think he's joking, like Neil was an extra in this. Yeah. No, but I was, I kind of weaseled my way into like a sag, like reserved role. I just kind of kept like, kind of, you know,

I moved some guy all of a sudden, they were ever as asked me, it's a dangerous thing in Jersey to do that, Neil. Sure. You know, I respect unions TC, a big union guy as a member of the Ibot. But I didn't do anything wrong. I just kind of, it's a non-speaking part, but it could be interesting.

We'll see. I'm worried the movie sucks, though. Very worried about that. I had the same concerns when I saw the trailer, Neil. But moving on. The Data Golf. They had a great blog this past week about the likelihood of Scottie's future in majors. Fandl, as we mentioned on the show, that's something that they

famously set the over under at nine and a half after the PGA. Now this measurement from Fandl would include like time value of money, which is something I wish I would have mentioned at the time. It probably overstates the probability of getting to nine and a half. But basically, to make it worthwhile for them to do, they're not going to do a small number and blah, blah, blah. But DataGolf says there's a 63% chance he finishes with six or more, and a 46% chance he finishes with seven or more, setting that line right around six and a half. Basically, the simulations estimate 3.8 more

majors, and they got a bunch of really, really good granular stuff in there to say like, as long as Scotty is this three, three plus strokes gain level per round, this is like his best opportunities. And when you like fall back into the two range is when you get put in the blender and your opportunities, your win rate is going to dip significantly. Granted, there's not a lot of comparables above this three level because it's basically just him and Tiger that have lived there. But highlights how fast is opportunities can kind of disintegrate. But does that seem does that seem fair?

That line of six and a half? That's the exact line I said on the show, right? I that feels like and I felt like I was like, man, I got to take seven. You know, I'm going to take the over. It feels seven feels kind of like the number for me. I felt like, and I felt like I was like, man, I got to take seven. You know, I'm going to take the over. It feels seven feels kind of like the number for me. But yeah, I think it's very good. Yeah. And there's not really that many shitty venues that we could simulate.

Like I would say, like, let's just not even play the tournament and just give them that one. But yeah, no, I think advantage Augusta to like the easiest one to win and a massive course fit there plays into it. And they do highlight like the opens the hardest one to win for people just because there's more variables in that and that's traditionally been been the case, but probably there's probability of winning the career Grand Slam is still only at 37%, which I did find interesting. I thought that would have been more likely that he would finish the career

Grand Slam. The fact that he's still yet to win the Open, the most difficult major for high skill players to win isn't helping his chances, but he will have a great shot at one later this summer. If he had already won the Open, but hadn't won the Masters, his Grand Slam probability would be 42%. So only still up 5%.

Makes sense. Sorry, I did want to say- Great blog, check that out. It's on Let's Sigs latest. DJ. I always enjoy Let's Sigs latest flip side DJ sent sent over, uh, Rick Gimmon, Rick Run Good, always a good follow on X, but he did, hated his tweet today about Johnny Miller. Uh, he did the, you know, US open account tweeted Johnny Miller at Oakmont first to shoot 63 in a major and he did it on championship Sunday. Is it the greatest round in major history?

And Rick said, no, it's actually the 38th greatest round in major history, which don't be that guy. Don't do that. It's a top five greatest round in major history, along with Tommy 63 at Shinnecock. Don't do that. T.C. Don't know you right back at you. Don't do that.

Just take it up. Take it away. Take it all away. Tommy 63. Come on, man. They, that was right after they'd lost the course and they set up the easy pins for him. That's the only way it's out of the shoot.

The 60th. There's no, there's no easy pins out there. So I think like what he's probably getting at is just in strokes gain per round. No, I know exactly what he's playing. But I think what he's, what should be considered is the greatest. It's like factor in, it was a required 63 to win.

Like there were not shots to spare here. Like if you want to use a baseball stat there, the win probability added with that is like 99.99999% round. Like there's not going to be a more significant round. It's just ignoring all context and course and venue and setting and competitors and all of that stuff. It is such a sick like thing to go to, to reread all the clubs he was hitting into it. They have that on the Wikipedia page for the 1973 US Open.

It's like, first hole driver three iron to five feet, birdie. Two is 343 yards, driver nine iron to a foot. Three, driver five iron, made birdie there. It's number four, driver three three wood bunker shot to six inches. It goes shot by shot for the whole thing. We should have done DJ might have some of that cooked up for us for tomorrow. We got some previous stuff. I actually have a mea culpa on Oakmont,

US opens in our Vegas video that we just put out. Tommy armor 1.0, the silver Scott, he won the US open at Oakmont in 1927. I said 1930, he won the PGA championship in 1930. That's on me. I got maybe dyslexic on the Wikipedia page, but we don't have fact checkers here at NLU. So I'm going to have to just hand up. I wish I didn't put that one on tape. Now we got to pull that video down. I know I feel bad about that. I honestly feel bad about that one. Cause I feel like I studied up on writing out that script and I just, I just missed guys. I missed when, uh, this information when, uh, Andy Martinez used to caddy for Zach. I remember talking to him

about caddy for Johnny Miller. I think he caddyed for him like that season. He was his long time caddy for Johnny Miller and he was just telling us like how many, how many times like a tournament Johnny would hit the stick. It was, it's insane. Like he was truly, you know, there's the, there's the whole, I don't know if it's an urban legend or if he actually did this, but he gave him his yardages to the foot inside of a certain number. All right. I believe TC is having some technical difficulties. We're on AirPods now, but you guys did a little traveling this past week, played a little golf, I believe.

The gram was making me quite a bit envious. Where were you guys doing? Where were you guys? What were you guys doing? How was it? Well, TC flew into LaGuardia, picked them up and a goal from earlier this year was within three hours of the city need to explore golf in the area a little bit better. I think we all had that goal and

so TC he came up here to help me do that and we had a blast. We went north up into the upstate upstate New York up the Hudson Valley. Before we got there we went to we stay we hung out with John and Alex at Holderness and Born. We played Tamarack Suntory Club in Greenwich, Connecticut, which I don't think I've been that like had a horse just blow my face off like that in a while. Spectacular. Charles Banks, off like that in a while. Spectacular. Charles Banks, he did it right after he helped Rainer with Fisher's Island and recently touched up by Brian Schneider, took out a ton of trees. What a great golf course. It was sick. Kind of highlights the density of golf in Westchester and just in the New York area, like, really, I've heard the name Tamarack didn't

know anything about it was like, how is this place not getting more attention? And then, yeah, just a road trip up through Albany, Detroit went to Country Club of Troy, which was an awesome kind of rugged mountain. Yeah, Walter Travis, it was Steve, the chairman of the Greens Committee and another friend of the program, David, they were awesome. Yeah, just really cool course.

Chris, the superintendent was lovely there. Neil, what did you think of the Sunnyside Pitch and Putt after that? I was delighted by it. Open at night, kept the lights on a little later for us, I believe the lights are on by city ordinance till 10 PM, but you know I love a lit short course TC. Had a blast there and then went up to Glens. Great greens, little plateaus and stuff, it was wild, Sully.

There was a spot, there was a hole that played over this lake from a secret tea box. Did you ever read the books, the Berenstein Bears, when you were growing up? Do you remember No Girls Allowed? That one, there was a book in the Berenstein Bears series where they build this tree house on an island and then they won't let any of the girl bears in. Oh, just a clubhouse. The boys wouldn't let the girls into the tree house. And so the girls built the clubhouse on the island. We put motes on the list of things that are sick as well. But it was like, that's where the club. We're like, oh my God, we found where

the clubhouse used to be was this T box to this little par three anyway. We filmed all of this. So this will be a video that you'll see in early September. I think the highlight kind of culmination of the trip was up in Glens Falls, which was a fantastic Donald Ross course up there in the hills, I guess above or just south of Lake George, which was a striking body of water. Like Switzerland. Yeah, so about three got all the way up there about three and a half hours north, north of New York City.

I had a two day trip, three day trip was great. We went and explored the New York State Capitol, Empire Plaza there in Albany. That place is wild. Went up to the Sugarlo Field Club where Ian Gilley and the boys special one of one hat here for me. Field club, no vowels, upside down backwards. And neon. Well done. Field club was awesome. They have four greens and kind of a myriad ways to play that. And then yeah, they hosted us at Glenn's falls, which I would say if you are a member at Glenn's falls or

white bear yacht club, you get in touch with one another and have a, and every year and every other year, like home and home match, because those two places are two Donald Ross birds of a feather golf courses that are just so eerily reminiscent of one another. So yeah, and then yeah, it was a great, great trip. Very, very, very productive and weather was awesome. So and that well, then I drove us all home and then TC headed out to out on to Long Island for some, for some bonus G. I had some, yeah, played some bonus G.

You know, and then I actually saw, saw LD at breakfast one morning there in Southampton. We're just at one of the local spots. And Larry David just sitting there having breakfast, having a bagel and some coffee. It's delightful. So how about that? Well, we look forward to that content as I'm sure. So I would say though, it made me excited to play golf.

When you didn't, I didn't have to get on a plane and to see new things in like the general vicinity, uh, is that gets me fired up and I need to do more of that on my own. Um, you know, even without the cameras. So I think it's going to be a very, very fun, uh, uh, video and I, I, uh, highlight of the year for sure. I think there's about 10 more courses up there that are like worth playing that look cool. So yeah, awesome hospitality. The golf was great. People were even better. So and then Sally, we're getting all sorts of all sorts of feedback on the East Lothian pod, physical threats coming in from people at Craigie law from from from members at Craigie law golf club, which is right there next to kill Spindy. We've been told from multiple people that we trust

that we don't need to play that one. I think they have a par three course that's ringed with houses outside. But it's in fantastic shape. And I think they're having open championship final qualifying there this year. So, you know, it must be a great course, all is absolved. So, no, I think we were just a little bit dismissive of it.

They did not take kindly to that. The North Baric Dunbar stuff is a fever pitch. I think the North Baric people are hot and bothered about some of those takes. I stand by them. I'll also say, I think that North Berwick, like I think it's causing a real problem that they've been so high on the tourist dollar hog for the last decade or so where they haven't raised the dues for members. And so none of the

members are leaving. So not so they can't get any new members in. And I think that's a real problem. And it seems to be a problem at a lot of popular places around Scotland. Where- Wow, the C-suite wants to price people out. Shocking. No, the olds are gatekeeping here and none of the youngs can get in.

These early 30 somethings that have paid their dues at other clubs and been on the waiting list for forever or even into their forties. Again, the answer is raising the price. The title of the pod was planning a trip to East Lovian. It was not the internal political issues of all of the clubs, golf clubs, East Lovian 100% as well. That's what I said.

I will say to the Gullen people, you know, we didn't slag it all. I think Rue was maybe a little bit dismissive of Gullen. Gullen one sounds fantastic, proper golf course. Gullen three signed me up. I want to play there. A place sounds awesome. Just but going to know thanks. Yeah, I just haven't heard a whole lot of although I did see Gullen had had some some hats come out that's

a G U L apostrophe and Not good. So I've never played any of the goings. Okay, I would like to actually I got a I got a new hat to this one came in the mail today. This is from us. Doers. Free ads. And then anything else? No, I think that's it. I think the Craigie lot people need to, you guys need to take a long look in the mirror because I think the way that a lot of the other clubs around Edinburgh and East Lothian feel about you guys poke around a little bit there. Thank you, TC, for the update from East Lothian.

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