No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1028: The Many Feuds of Seve Ballesteros

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

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Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the No Laying Up Podcast. Solly here with my guy, Mr. Kevin Van Valkenburg. KVV, what do we have on tap for the people today? Solly, we have another episode of Golf Feuds.

We were kicking around with what would be the right subject to tackle with this next sort of one. We had a lot of fun with Brookline. Even the people in GB and I loved it. They were very happy to sort of have us recount some of their issues with the American rudeness. We had read a great column, but you know, as we were kind of working our way through feuds, you know, we kicked around a couple like, Oh, tiger had some feuds here and there. But there was really one guy who rose above it all, who was the king of feuds, who didn't

just have like feuds. He had kind of like novels versus the feuds with people. I mean, this dude feuded with everyone and that is Severino by a star. The great Seve, we, we were cut. Yeah. We were going to split it up. You You were gonna do some Seve feuds and I was gonna do some Tiger things. We were just like, what if we just divided up

the genre of feuds that Seve had between the two of us? Mine are gonna be a little bit more on the personal golfer side. You were tackling a little bit of the bigger picture stuff with his feuds with the tours on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. I think it might've been a shorter part of, we just did a pot on people he did not feud with.

The man lived for it. Listen, there are many, many, many tales out there of his excellence, his many accomplishments, five time major champion of reverence that people have for this guy that, you know, that watched him play that is an unmistakable, the charisma, all of that. We're not denying any of that. We're not here to drag the man down. We're simply here to acknowledge the many, many, many, many times he butted heads with the rules, rules, officials, governing bodies, players, caddies, the like throughout his career. And it is, there's some really funny words. I prepared to laugh with you today. Yeah. And fair warning. I'm probably going to do a little bit of a savvy voice

and you might do some too solid, you know, kind of part of it. If that is not for you, if you are offended by such things, then you know what? You might just skip this one because like the savvy stories are better when the savvy voice creeps in. Now, am I going to commit fully to it? You know, sometimes on my trail off, it's kind of like Ernie Elsworth's like, Oh no, no, pull up, pull up, pull up. No, no, no. Okay. But we're going to do our best because I think the man truly does. He had a, he had a panache. I think, you know, we didn't, Seve wasn't our era, but reading about him and like doing these history lessons are really a fun way to educate ourselves about a golf era that I think, I mean, imagine how much fun we would have had if

this, if this was happening in like the podcasting era. Oh my gosh. Well, cause there's, there's some really fun, funny ones, fun ones in this. Like there's some really lighthearted kind of jabs and feuds and all that. There's a couple that are like, Oh buddy, I don't know about that one. That one, that one. Yeah, that's, there's a different word for that one, which I think we'll get to at least one of those. But it's... I literally ran out of time preparing for this. I had plenty of time, but just kept Googling, kept trying different words, different variations

of the word feud, controversy, dispute, argument, and kept finding new things. And I promise you we could do a volume two of these just from what we've probably left on the table. I think the next volume would need to include just interviewing other people for their individual stories that never made it into print or any of that because the man was a legend in a lot of ways and he just he sought this stuff out. He pursued confrontation. There's no denying that. I think if you're denying that at this point, I hope by the end of this podcast, you will agree with that. So I think before we get into the feuds,

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to where Seve was from, because if you don't know this, I think it helps kind of explain some of what made Seve driven and also just feel like he worked so hard to get what he got that no one was going to take it away from him. If you're not familiar with Severino Ballesteros, he was born in 1957 in Padrena, a small city on the north coast of Spain. Father was a dairy farmer, so Seve grew up with cows and livestock all around him.

He wasn't like Trevino poor, but he certainly didn't come from much. He lived 100 yards from the Padrena Golf Club. His uncle Ramon, who actually caddied there as a young man, went on to become a great player who won the Spanish Open as well as opens in Italy and Brazil and Holland and France. So golf was kind of in their family, in their blood. In fact, all three of Seve's older brothers, Bodo Mero Jr., Manuel and Vicente, all were professional golfers. None had like a ton of success, but I believe Manuel won a tournament at some point in the European tour.

So, you know, that was kind of the set in the stage a little bit, but it said we kind of give an interview at Golf Digest, which is a good source of a lot of this information here, talking about Padena said there was one bar, one television in the bar, one telephone, one shop, no cars. Seeing a car back then was like looking up at the sky and seeing the Concorde today. A lot of the villagers would work on the fishing ships. They would be gone for months, sending home money every week, and then they would be home for Christmas and they would be gone again.

There were really only three sources of income in Padrena, fishing, caddying and farming. So there's a famous story that's kind of like part of the Seve lore that is about someone at the padrana golf club gave Seve a three iron as a kid Seve kind of later said it was five iron so it's a little bit of in dispute. But this is kind of how Seve learned to be such a creative sort of mind. It wasn't even an actual full iron. It was just an iron head. A lot of this information comes from Alastair Tate's biography of Seve. And Seve would he took this head and he would go into the woods and

he would find pieces of wood that he would whittle down the tip of and he would jam them into the iron head and then leave it in a bucket of water at night so that the wood would expand and sort of fit into the hosel and that was what he practiced with. A five iron that he just would take out to the beach, he would find rocks on the beach that were the size of golf balls,

he would sort of fill his pockets with these rocks and he would hide them so that other kids couldn't sort of use them. And then he would just hit balls, like hit these rocks with this old five iron like over and over and over. Every time the shaft would break, he'd have to go hunting for another one. Uh, eventually he gets to do some caddying at the Patriona golf club. He didn't, you know, he would, he told stories about years later,

he felt a little bit bad about this, but he, because he didn't have any money for golf balls, he would sometimes when he was caddying, a guy would his player would hit the ball into the weeds. He'd go into the weeds, he'd see the ball there and he'd say, I kind of find it. I do not know where it is. Obviously it's in Spanish. And then he'd go back at night and grab those balls and add them to his personal collection, which he felt a little bit of guilt about. So he played a lot of golf, you know, he played a lot of golf on the beach, but not really

formal golf. He finally let him enter the caddy competition when I think he was 16, he ended up winning it. But you know, no one really was sure if this was like a serious job in his life. So in 1973, he was offered a job at a local factory making boats. He said, this was a crucial moment in my life. My mother was in favor of me taking the job. I thought I needed a future but my father was against he He said, I must start playing golf for a living because I was that good. So

Seve never played any junior golf. He basically like joined the European tour as an eight. Scottish there for a second. He basically started playing the European tour. I was like an 18 year old and he just kind of went off into this unknown sort of world and sort of, you know, literally like playing with Rio clubs for the first time. And when he was 19, he finished second at Royal Birkdale, sort of famous, you know, he, he was leading going into the

final day of Royal Birkdale remarkably. And he was so kind of like, you know, like Kazzie, like laissez faire about it that he went out like at a, to like dancing at a discotheque, like until midnight the night before. And it just was like an absolute, you know, he, he didn't play that great on the final day, shot 74 to Johnny Miller shooting 66, but he finished tied second with Jack Nicklaus at age 19. And this was kind of like his introduction into the world. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. I think there's future SEVY deep dives in the cards as well. I just like all the others. There's a SEVY stories pod on top of the SEVY Feuds part two, which I think will also exist. But I'm going to kick things off just a little bit. You're going to get into some of the European tour feuds. But we have some audio from a 2021 podcast I did.

It was a deep dive into 1991 Ryder Cup, just getting some stories from a bunch of guys, including Lanny Watkins, Dave Stockton, who was the captain of that team, Paul Aizinger, and Hale Irwin is in this audio clip. And then we have some stories of the first beat that I'll cover, which is Paul Aizinger and Seve, which is a somewhat famous story.

But I'm calling this one the many players versus Seve section of it. And you'll hear a little narration in there. Again, this was a deep dive in the 1991 podcast. But just some guys telling some Seve stories and just kind of set the scene a little bit for how often he butted heads specifically with the American players. You know, it's just, but then again, they had Seve involved and with Seve, there was always an issue. The instigator, the antagonizer, he was everything.

He had to be in the middle of everybody's business. What the things he did would probably tick us off so much that, you know, we would get more upset at what was happening and you get more defensive on stuff. So there's no question, you know, that, I mean, I think he was, if there had to be an antagonist going back in all the Ryder Cubs and when everything started, I think the arrow points, you know, directly at Seve and no one else.

What Lanny said is correct. It was one of those things. I mean, people, different people do different things. And Sal Sarasso stops to play with. He could get under your skin with little things he might say, something he might do on the golf course. He might challenge a situation as far as rules go. Just didn't quite know what you're going to get from Seve.

I think everybody in our team room would have, as you suggest or ask, which one would it be, it probably would have been Seve. Hale Irwin himself had previous run-ins with Seve. I had had something with Seve many years ago. We were playing in the World Match play in Wentworth and he was quite a young player just starting out in Europe, was the new future of Europe. This was the year that Europe was experimenting with tapping down spike marks, which were defined as an uplifted tuft of grass.

Well, these are 36-hole matches and we're the first match out. So there really are no spike marks, but said he's happened all over the place. And then I, I'm, I'm really kind of wondering what this is all about. And so on the 18th hole, he had his hand behind the ball in the rough. And the referee looked at me and he said, you could call that on him if you want to. No, I, I want to beat him badly, of course. I want to know what his spike mark is. He said, I thought so. We went in at the 18 hole break and got a Spanish interpreter.

Okay, here it is. Laid it all out and we get to a 16th hole and say he's got a putt from perhaps 15 feet for a birdie and a win on hole and I'm two up at the time and he points the spike mark while I looked at it. I said, I don't know, ask the referee. The referee said no. He missed the putt and went to the 17th tee and hit it out of bounds and I won that hole as well.

So technically I won three and one, but at the press conference he indicated to the press that I had gotten favorable treatment from the referee, which was a total joke. That was not the case. And then when I asked about my two and one victory, I was pretty, pretty pent up with a little emotion at the time. I said, dude, when I won the 17th hole, that's three in one and you can print it. So those are the kinds of things that we as players ran into. They weren't necessarily directed at us personally.

It's just the way Seve was. And another from Lanny Watkins. The second day at the belfry in the morning, Marco Marin, I'll play in Seve. And I think Manuel Pinero, going down the first hole, best ball. We get on the green and I've got about a 20, 25 footer for Birdie. Seve is about 12 feet. His coin is in my line. I had him move it. I pulled my putt, it hit his coin, it bounced right, went in the hole. He was livid. You had me do that on purpose, you had me move my coin so you could make that putt.

I said, yes. I got right in his face. I said, yes, Abby, I'm that blanking good. Don't forget it. And yet another one from Lanny. Tom Layman was going all first against him and Curtis Strange and I both got Layman and we told him, he said, he is gonna pull something.

Go right back at him and don't let him get the upper hand. So that was Lanny, that was landing. Then Dave Stockton, then Hale Irwin was telling the three and one story, then obviously landing to wrap that up. But that just sets the scene a little bit. If you just get these guys wound up telling Seve stories, they will go. Yeah.

So back in 1978, Seve, the first time he ever came to America, it was to play the Greater Greensboro Open. And his plane actually had to turn around to go back to Spain because there was some sort of medical emergency. So the first time he'd ever been on a plane, he called his brother when he got home and he's like, I was not meant to do this.

I'm not supposed to go to America. And his brother said, no, you gotta go. This is where great golf is being played. And he flew over, played in the Greater Greensboro Open and won. Like the first time he is the first guy who's ever, like one of the first big guys ever debut on the PGA tour and win straight up. So said, it was already getting very popular at this point in Europe and Dean Beeman, the commissioner, commissioner of

the PGA tour offered him a chance to join the PGA tour full time without having to go through qualifying school. Yeah. And in seven in 1978, this was a big deal because like this was not, you know, things spots were not given to guys easily. The American players did not love it. I can imagine some of the beginning of the animus that they had for Seve, but Seve actually turned it down. He said, I want to be free to play in Europe this year. I owe the people of Europe so much. But again, like not only did Seve love to compete, but he also liked his money, you know, as someone

who didn't grow up with a lot and he wanted to sort of, you know, use opportunities to compile various money. So the first ever really pissing match that I found evidence of that he got in was with his own countryman, Angel Gallardo, who was 12 years his senior. They were playing in the Hennessy Cognac Cup, which was a match between continental Europe and the British and British and Irish players. And Seve got his ass kicked in the opening match, he lost like, you know, seven and six. And so he asked to sit the next day claiming suddenly that he had the flu. And Gallardo claimed that he was saving himself for the lucrative World

Series of golf the following week. Garre said I told him to stop thinking about the money and his trip the following week and start thinking about his teammates. The two countrymen barely spoke the rest of the trip. And what kind of the start with that was that if you didn't, Seven knew what he was a draw, that he knew that he was very, that he went to a tournament that there, it was going to be very popular. A lot of more people were going to come and he was basically like, Hey, like I want my

money upfront. very popular. A lot of more people were going to come. And he was basically like, Hey, like, I want my money up front. And so he straight up told tournament organizers, like, I want more money. And so he said, you know, one year, when sort of asked to play in the sort of the World Cup of golf, he did three times before basically telling his own federation to fuck off. He said, I am not prepared to travel 25,000 miles to play for four days under the pressure for nothing. All you get is a thousand dollars. I am a professional. My job is to make money. I am not an amateur. I have won twice. Now I give the chance to somebody else. The Spanish football team gets 15,000 a man when they play in the World Cup and they finish dead last. The Spanish Federation never asked me what they want. They tell me you are playing in the World Cup. Yet when I am're playing in the World Cup.

Yet when I am doing well in the Open Championship, I never get the telegram from them. You know, I got the gold medal for being a World Champion, but I work hard for it. So this was basically Seve like, and he did, he ended up getting a lot of appearance money on the sort of, as he started, you know, he ended up winning the Open Championship. He won the Masters at age 23 and he was, he was pissed at his own country for basically not

understanding it, caring how good he was. He bitched that he did not get a telegram from King Juan Carlos of Spain when he won the mass, won the masters. He was happy that the church bells of Padrena rang all through the night to celebrate sandwich. I got to say like, if you're like a Padrena fisherman and you're trying to get up at like 3am and the church bells keep ringing to celebrate this dude, you don't know anything about Spanish newspapers barely mentioned the fact that said he won the masters. He was all too aware of it. He said the newspapers will say that by us that us won the masters and that will be about it. Television will not get around the showing highlights in for months and months and on the second national channel. So

long before SEVY started fighting with the PGA tour, he started fighting with the European tour all over these appearance fees. So the rules back then were different, basically that only certain players could get appearance fees, the guys who had won a major championship or guys who were sort of leading the order of merit. And they could essentially negotiate like whatever they wanted. And this was known as the Tony Jacqueline rule because Tony Jacqueline for

a long time was the only major winner in Europe from like 1951 to 1967 or 69. At one point, Seve managed to negotiate he was like all in on this. He thought man, this is this is a great way to make money. He was getting around $25,000 just to show up at a tournament plus first class travel. And this was back when the purse for the entire European tour was $2 million for the year. So like about finishing like, you know, third at the US Open would get you the entire purse for the year. So as this kind of grew and as some people kind of grew resentment towards SEV for getting all this money, the European tour decided it was sort of unsavory.

They didn't believe that you should begin the year with the tournament with money in your pocket. And so they voted to ban appearance fees, but only for Europeans. They would still pay out your appearance fees to Americans who would come over. So Trevino and Johnny Miller and Oral Palmer and Jack Nicholas could still get them. Well, Seve was obviously furious about this. And he'd said, fuck you. I'm going to still ask for appearance fees.

I'm going to negotiate it. And then when the tour told me could not accept them, he said, I will resign from the tour if this policy is put in place. He said, I feel sorry for the people who want to see me play. I hope they will understand my position. The rule banning appearance fees is aimed only at me. I don't know why the players make the rule. Maybe they are jealous. If the sponsors want the best players who will give them the best publicity they must pay. And

show field who is the European tours executive director, basically sent a letter to Seve that stated his intentions that under no circumstances would he be getting appearance fees. He said, one thing that you should know straight from me is that no player can from this day forward expect a clear $250,000 in appearance fees before teeing off on the European Tour, because that is apparently what Seve made the one year. And he said, how can it be right for a sponsor to pay big money to get

American players like Tom Weiskopf, Johnny Miller, and Lee Trevino, but for wrong for them to pay me. I am not in the same category after I win the open and the masters. I think said we had to make a point there. Oh, excellent point. Do you know how much I give to golf? So before the masters in 1980, in 1981, he sat down for a documentary where he basically said, this guy made me laugh thinking about some of the recent language. He said, the golf owes me something, but I don't owe anything to golf.

Like I've worked very hard to get what I want. So this guy, Martini was a company that sort of sponsored the Martini International at Wentworth and they were putting up about 66,000 pounds a year and he felt that the prize money should be enough for to get Seve to play, especially since he was the defending champion. He says, I suppose it's a case of supply and demand, but it's like holding golf to ransom. And I don't like that. This guy, excuse me, Dave Rutherford of the company Martini.

I would have hoped that he would have played without being paid, especially as he won our event last year in his victory speech he promised to defend his title. He was disinclined to pay Seve any sort of appearance fees. He said it's a pity really that golf is being crippled by money demands. This is in 1981. So another company, Corrals, had sort of sponsored the corrals classic and Royal Porthcraw. They refused to consider paying appearance fees said we will

never pay appearance money. Chairman Ken Tucker said it is our official company policy. We refuse to do it when some players asked for it in our snooker tournament. Unless it's stamped out, I can look at a see a lot of sponsors dropping out of golf. It's a sport which is already very expensive to back anyway. So the tour votes to uphold the rule and basically saying we're sorry that Seve is going to resign his membership. Oh, they didn't suspend him or anything. Seve refuses to play any Euro tournaments that whole summer. While kind of like saying they're lying about me. Most of the stories about me are untrue. I never said no pay no play. I said leave it up to

the sponsor to decide. Maybe I play, maybe I don't. It hurts me very much when they make a rule that discriminates between me and American players. So Tony Jaclyn, interesting enough, was the first person to get appearance money to play in Europe in the 70s. That came after he won the open in 79. In fact, he was the best player for a couple of years. He said, I was the best player in Europe.

I was carrying the tour on my shoulders, all in the hospitality of promotion of European tour. My manager took advantage of that. Not really advantage, but made the decision to ask for appearance money. Looking back now, it was only fair. The tour was nothing and I could have gone to the US very easily. The money was five times that. Not only that, but I could have had a better chance to develop my game. But I stayed

in Europe because I liked it. So essentially, like this came to a boil in the sort of build up to the Ryder Cup. And the press was not really on Seve's side. Back then, this sort of Howard Clark journalist once famously summed up Seve's stance on a period of fees and said, the only place that Seve by a serous turns up for nothing is at his mom's breakfast. So Seve decides he's kind of come back to the tour because Slazinger, his main sponsor, basically told him, Hey, you better start playing or you're going to be in violation of our contract, which was one of his most lucrative.

And he wanted to play on the Ryder, Ryder cup team. So Ken Sheffield, the executive director said, fine. You know what? The matter's closed. Like you keep playing and we'll just figure it out. But he didn't have enough points to make it onto the team and a on points. So everyone assumed that he would be one of Marc Jacobs, two picks captain. Nope.

The picks came out and on the team was Bernard Langer, Nick Faldo, Sandy Lyle, Jose Maria, Kenna's artists, Sam Torrance, Miguel Pinero, Eamon Darcy, Des Smith, Howard Clark, and Bernard Gallacher. And the two extra picks that, uh, Jacobs, excuse me, or were Mark James and Peter Oosterhaus. Peter Oosterhaus, by the way, wasn't even a member of the European tour, but they still picked him over Seve. Jacob says claims he wanted Seve on the team, but he decided to put it to a vote between himself, Neil

Coles, the chairman of the tournament committee, and Bernard Langer, who was the order of merit winner. Allegedly Coles and Langer voted no. And Langer said he did it because it's what the players on the team wanted. They didn't want Seve. Seve says afterwards, I spoke to Langer voted no. And Langer said he did it because it's what the players on the team wanted, they didn't want Seve. Seve says afterwards, I spoke to Langer and he said, it was what others who did it, they did not want me. That he did.

When I spoke to Don Jacobs, he said it was the others. Nobody made the decision apparently. So Seve doesn't play in that Ryder Cup and guess what? The United States wins by nine frigging points, which leads to a great change to go. All right. Flying star. I think I'm actually got a little sweat going already. Just, just, just hearing the feeling Seve get get all animated has got me a little, you know, a little fired up here. Listen, the future, you know, coming off that nine point win at the rider cup here, 2025, we can say the future of American golf is now

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Is that fair? Is it only famous? Cause I'm a writer cup obsessed. I don't know if that's a fair one, but it's a lot of people remember this one from, uh, from the 1991 writer cup. Again, we have some audio on this. Uh, but first this is again from Paul Aizinger recounting of the story, but first he introduces how the beef between Aizinger and Seve went back a little bit, even from 1991. So before we get to that here, uh,

here's Aizinger telling the story. Well, see I draw Seve on Saturday night and Curtis walks up to me and says, don't let him pull anything on you tomorrow. So my mindset shifts. So then we get to the first tee and Curtis goes off last and I'm off first. So there's a big gap between those tee times and he comes walking up to me on the first tee. How are you feeling?

Good. Don't let him pull anything on you today. So back then, the golf balls were getting shredded by the square grooves and we were both using square groove wedges. We hit irons off the second tee, three irons, both of us, wedge into the green. He hit it about 12 feet. I hit it about four feet. We get up there and he takes his ball and tosses it to his caddie, Ian, and says, I take this ball out of play. I was like, Curtis popped in my head. My ball was shredded.

I had hair. I used a ping wedge back then and it really wrecked the golf balls. You could pick my golf ball up by the paint thread that was hanging from it. I can't take it out of play though. I could rub that paint thing off of there, but I can't take the ball out. So anyway, I just thought he's pulling something right there. And so I looked at his caddy, I asked, I said, I need't take the ball out so anyway I just thought he's pulling something right there and so I looked at his caddy ass I said I need to see that ball and I looked at it and I walked over to Seve and he was already lining up as

you squatted down he just looked up at me like that and he's I said I don't think he can take this ball out I said look at mine it looks just as bad he goes European rules says these bodies no good I said well in the US you're gonna have to play it I said maybe we should ask the official. So Annie McPhee came in and he says, I'm sorry, Seve, you have to play this ball. Well, the crowd was into it now and they were jeering me Seve line that put up from every direction. I looked at Seve and I said, I'm sorry, my ball looks just as bad. And Seve looked at me and he said, no, no, it's okay. If this is the way you want to play today, we can play this way. And I swear, bro, my hands do not shake when

I play. But at that moment I was starting to quiver. He made the 12 footer. And then as the crowd noise died down, some British guy yelled out, what would you have done with a good ball Seve? And I was thinking, man, I put my ball down. I was like this. I hit this putt that went in the hole and came right back at me. And the crowd just yelled out. They cheered twice as loud when Ryan missed.

And it was really a rough match after that. We went at it. So good. Just the zig or recounting of that whole story. The accents is so good. And that match ends on 18 with Jose, I'm sorry, with Seve accusing Azinger of taking a bad drop. There's water all down the left, Azinger hooks it left, and they were off by like 70 yards and they end up kind of going with a median answer on that. And Seve said he got favorable treatment from the rules official

in that circumstance as well. So all that is built up from 89 and we go into 1991, which, uh, Chip Beck and Paul Aizinger first, first match out of the writer cup are playing Jose Mariella Thobble and Seve. And here is Aizinger telling the story of what happens then. Then on nine, 10 T they accused us of using the wrong compression ball, which we did. And it was totally my fault. But it was a 90 compression titleist versus 100 compression titleist, and we were on the

first par five. Here's how it works. If the 100 compression titleist goes off number one, the 100 compression titleist has to go first off every odd hole the rest of the day. That 90 compression ball, which was red, if it goes off number two, it goes off every even hole the rest of the day. It was the par 5 7th hole where Azinger and Beck violated this rule. If you hit my ball off the tee, you lay up, I get to hit my ball into the green. That's what it was. And they caught that and that's illegal. But they didn't call it. It was on seven. Eight we played normal. Nine we played normal. So they tried to call us on it I guess on 10-T and we were two up or

three up or something. They shook us up. It was ugly. I always wondered how they could tell. How would they even know? I guess was the color of the ball was different. No just the logo. Just the titleist stamp and the color of the ball was different. That's no, just the logo, just the title is stamp and the number on the ball. How did they notice that? It's black or red. They heard us talking about it. Oh, okay.

I was free and talk. We were talking about it. Like it was a great strat boy. Aren't we smart? Right. So that's what kicks off the incident. They have a big showdown on the 10th hole. And so what happened there was Bernard Gallagher,

who was the captain of the European team, found out during that opening session that his channel, his radio was on an open channel. And so they, yeah, so they it was open, anybody could have been listening on any of their conversations. So they like cut off communications. And so when Seve and Jose Maria wanted to bring this up, get a captain involved, immediately on seven, they couldn't get a hold of Gallagher. So Gallagher doesn't meet him up until the 10th hole. Okay. That's when the showdown happens. And Aizinger kind of gets this. The first time I ever hear

the word cheat is from Aizinger. He's like, we're not trying to cheat. And Seve is like, no, no, no, nobody's saying you're trying to cheat. Like, you know, but they were trying to say that they violated on seven, eight and nine. Uh, and the Americans claim they only violated it on seven. Um, but they also said that it was, um, so a month later, Seve said Azenier didn't cheat, but he lied. He said the ball change only happened once, but we know it happened three times. At first he denied it completely. Then when, uh, when he realized they could not lose the hole,

he changed his statement. He was the only one of the American team that did not behave in a proper manner. The American team were 11 nice guys and Paul Aizinger. Seve also said he has not won a major championship and he was trying to be a hero for his team. When we had the dispute over the change of balls, he lied. Aizinger said at the end of this day, I believe he said about Seve's coughing. He did it on every single hole. When Olathabo get ready, he never did it. It really bothered Chip. If I play with him tomorrow, I won't put up with that. Seve said, I'm surprised Paul said that I have the flu. I've been taking antibiotics, coughing all day. In this

game, in any game when you lose, you have to take it and say, congratulations. I'm surprised he said that it's not fair. Then a month after that Ryder Cup, Zinger said, the press is trying to have a field day with this thing and I'm not going to play into their hands. I don't want there to be a running feud between Seve and I. I don't feel there is. This is something being created by the press. Seve then said, he lied.

They did it three times. He lied and said it only happened once. And again, he referred back to the 89 Ryder lied and said it only happened once. And again, he referred back to the 89 Ryder Cup and said he knew he knows he took the wrong drop and he knows that I know. So these two did not like each other. And then Billy Foster retells a great story about as soon as all right, you know, okay, we'll play on there's no penalty here. And then as soon as that happened, you know, okay, play on the zinger, like takes a step back and walks right past Billy Foster, who was counting for Seve and said, nice try.

And, and Foster's like, Oh, and as soon as he's walking down the fairway, he tells Seve about it. He said the blood just rushed into his eyes. He was fuming, just absolutely fuming that A's zinger said nice try after all that. But that's one of my favorite all time, I've listened to that back to that story maybe 15 times because Zinger is so good at telling it. So I think Zewie had a cough that lasted like 20 years. Oh my God, it's everywhere. He almost so many, and he would always be like, I have allergies.

What do you expect? Like he just constantly was coughing in people's backs. Can I, okay, this is a good time for this one because I've got some really small minor ones, but I'm just going to do this one now. The fruit cake incident. Okay. So back in the final of the 1991 world match play, it is Seve versus Nick price and they're on the 13th hole. And first of all, there's a golfing world video about this. I'm going to play a little tiny clip from it here shortly, but you should go back and watch because this is an extremely romantic setting for golf, just like a match played tons of people out there. I don't know if it's at Wentworth,

but it's just like a really vibey scene out there and a really romantic time in European tour golf. Put that aside. So 13th hole, Billy Foster's on the bag for Seve and he asks Billy for something to eat out of the bag. And they have a banana in the bag and a fruitcake. And Seve says, I want the banana. But Seve liked his bananas super ripe, almost to the point where like others would throw them out. They needed to be black, but the banana was yellow, even had a little like hint of green on it. You know, I made a crack when he opened it and he opened it and Seve gets furious. He gets mad and Billy's like, I'll give you

one job. You cannot do this job. He asked for the fruitcake and Foster chucks the banana, like chucks the banana into the forest and says, I'm a caddy, not a grain grocer. Seve goes and eats the fruitcake and just as Price gets to the top of his backswing, the fruitcake goes down the wrong pipe and it is right in Price's backswing. You just hear this. And Price chunks the shot into the front left bunker and Seve comes over and is apologizing profusely.

It was an error. I really did choke this time on a fruitcake and he asked the ref if he can, can he replay the stroke and he keeps trying to negotiate with the ref to let Nick Price play this stroke. You got to go back and watch this part. It's two 28 minute mark of the golfing world video called Seve Ballesteros and the fruitcake incident. And it said we just the ref rules no. And seve just makes this face that I need you to see that just made me laugh so hard. Just gives this little

Hey, you know, I try. I try to let him replay it. Hey, guy. That's right. Again, it's the screech. He just makes this little wink of like, yeah, I try. I don't know what you want from me. Anyways, so Price like chops it out of the bunker to 10 feet and Billy's like, they're off the back of the green. I think Seve is already in for par and Billy's like starts like nudging Seve like, hey, give him the putt.

You coughed in his backswing. Like give hey, give him the putt. You copped in his backswing, like give him the putt here. And Seve just like goes off on Billy. No, no, no, no, no, no. I offered him a half in the fairway and like refused to give him the putt. Price did pour in the putt. And it's unclear if he really did offer him a half or just offer for him to replay

that he did offer for him to replay the shot that the audio doesn't catch him like Offering I have on the whole but seve refused to give him the putt even after after the fruitcake incident that would just made me laugh so hard that I just Get in the full flow that video of just like he's trying to try to get the rules official to help. Hey, I tried I'm sorry. Yeah, you got to play it out of the bunker the rules official to help. Hey, I tried. I'm sorry. Yeah. You got to play it out of the bunker. Oh, that's good. So I feel like some of these things, you know, the, my next section is

kind of basically called Seve versus America, which I think helps, you know, provide a little bit of a context for some of the writer cup stuff that we talked about. So Hale Erwin, I think as a good quote from Hale kind of talking about Seve, he said, he was in a position to be like Arnold Palmer. He had the golf world right in the palm of his hand, but he didn't respond over here in a positive manner. Consequently, he missed this part of the world. Seve had that charisma, that swashbuckling hit and go for everything style that people love, but he turned a lot of people off because he did not relate to them or he demanded too

much or whatever. Then that kind of kept his personality from being more accommodating. Maybe it was his background where he came from or the hundred thousand dollar appearance fees and jet airplanes always available to him whenever he played sort of bred some of that ill will. So part of this kind of started in the sense of in 1983, seven fairies kind of fighting with the European tour about the appearance fee stuff. Seve approaches the PGA tour with sort of a special request. He says he would like special privileges under which he could enjoy exempt status in

America while receiving unlimited freedom to play in Europe. So at the, at the time, the PGA tour stipulated that players were allowed releases to play in their home country, but they had asked permission to play elsewhere. Since there were very few, if any tournaments, professional tournaments in Spain, Dean Beeman changed the rules in Seve's favor. So Dean Beeman going out of his way to basically do Seve as solid. He was a lifelong friendship here. He was granted a leeway to play in Europe anytime he wanted,

as long as he played 15 PGA tour events. So he played the first year he played 15 tournaments. It went really well, won the open championship that same year. And he came home from the open championship that year to find a letter from the PGA tour awaiting him. And he thought it was going to be a congratulatory note on his open triumph. Instead, it was a letter telling him that he had been fined $500 for withdrawing from the Atlantic Classic the week after the US Open. Seve was of course furious.

He said, I said at the start of the year that when I accepted my card that I would play, but on the Friday of the US Open, I did not feel well. And I decided that I must take a rest. I informed the sponsor six days before the start of Atlanta that I would not be able to make it. He refused to pay the fine but Diemen eventually enforced it. I think they took it out of future earnings. So in part the following year Seve decided he was only going to play nine tournaments in 1985 and at the end of the year when he decided to play in Wentworth, where there was five PGA Tour tournaments left,

he could have met his obligation. He went decided to play Wentworth instead, there was only four tournaments he could have played in the PGA Tour. And so his agreement was broken. Sevi said, you know, look, America is a fantastic place, but I get homesick sitting in hotels with nothing to do, but watch television. And I cannot perform well in tournaments. I feel more comfortable in Europe among my friends. So for the next two years, at least I want to play 50% of my time here and share the remainder of my schedule between America and the rest of the world." He was basically like daring the PGA tour to do something,

which they decided that they would do. The policy board met and decided to ban Seve from playing in any events in the 1986 season. He was allowed, however, to compete in the USF and G Classic because he was the defending champion. So being a defending champion in this era was very, very important. If you were the defending champion,

you basically had to come back. There was no like, oh, I won that tournament and I'm going to be fine. Dean Beeman said the, he released a statement, said the board felt strongly that players should honor their commitments. Seve will be welcome to rejoin the tour in 1987, subject to normal tournament regulations. Beeman wasn't entirely innocent in this. I kind of took it a little bit personal and man, did Seve take it personal. Beeman said it doesn't make a difference how many golf tournaments you win, how famous you become, how well you can play, or how much money you win. The measure of a man is when he gives his word, makes a commitment, and he honors it. He said the game of golf is built on a person honoring

his commitment on integrity. As far as I'm concerned, Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, and Gary Player for 25 years before Seve came along, lived by a set of rules the players as a group put together collectively for the good of the tournament of professional golf. I don't find any excuse for Seve. It may not have been convenient for him to honor his commitment, but he made that commitment.

The condition was that he played in 15 events. The 15 events was Seve's suggestion to the members. Seve knew exactly what he was agreeing to and he knew the penalty would be if he failed to honor his commitment. So Seve basically said that he would encourage all European players to boycott the PGA. He basically kind of did the mobster thing or he sort of threatened someone without doing it. He said, we may do something that they don't like. But time will tell. He did go to New Orleans to defend his title where he met with the press, and then kind of plated ignorance

that I was never aware of the rules. The first thing I knew about being banned was when Mr. Beeman wrote me last August, I thought I'd lose my actual membership, but to be able to go on it, to be banned was ridiculous. Bill Robertson, who was kind of a big voice for Golf Illustrated, I don't think it exists anymore, but he kind of wrote a sort of, I think a chiding editorial in golf. It's hard to sympathize with their predicament

that Seve is in, is self-inflicted, he knew exactly what was required of him when he accepted his card. He also knew that he would not be able to honor his commitment and yet to our knowledge, he left it to the last minute to seek a compromise. The 15-Rule may seem unfair, but if he truly leaves that to be the case,

the answer is simple. Don't play in America. No one is forcing Ballesteros to play on the US tour. Seve accosted Bill Robertson the next time he saw him. He asked me why I wasn't on his side. I told him that he was in the wrong because he had broken his promise. And Seve was pissed.

Took him many, many years to forgive Bill Robertson for just laying out the facts. Here's an interesting quote that I found. In a practice round prior to the 86 master, Seve was allowed to play in the majors. Obviously the PGA tour couldn't ban him from doing that. Seve and Greg Norman played together. Remember this is 86, they're both in contention that year.

And Greg Norman was asked what he thought of the ban. Greg said his ban in America is hard, but it's a rule. You can't expect to get off if you're booked for speeding. Oh, Greg, making some sense back in the day. So basically at every opportunity, every time Seve would come to a major or every time the European press would ask him about it, he would light into Dean Beeman. He just basically said, so when you're kind of like Phil versus Monahan, a hundred percent. I mean, imagine like in this era, like I think it would be fun to see a TC taking Seve side, just getting, seeing Dean Beeman get detonated over and over again.

Seve said, he has too many rules. There are new rules every week. It is easier to win the masters than it is to follow all the PGA tours rules. Maybe he does something against me. It will make him happy. He said, Beeman is a little man who wants to be big. Let's forget about him. He said, Dean Beeman only cares about the

U S tour. A man who loves this game should care about an international tour. There will never be an international tour as long as Beeman keeps his position. He said later, he was out for himself. He didn't care about the rules, the organizations. Oh, excuse me. This is Beeman about Seve said he was out for himself. Oh, look, if Beeman's doing that voice now. That now is a serious territory. So Beeman told ESPN years later, he was out for himself. He didn't care about the rules, the organization or anybody else. You have to have rules for everybody. If you don't administer the rules impartially across the board, then you don't have rules.

So they had a meeting to try to sort of, you know, take the temperature down. Didn't really work. Didn't really get much sort of out of it. He basically said, or upholding it. And then, so that year the SEVY was suspended Dean Beeman, who was a pretty good player and it played on tour before he became the PJ tour commissioner. He took an invitation to play in the Irish open that year and who did did this fucking piss off Seve? Let's go. I'm very angry about Dean Beeman playing here. Seve said, the man has done nothing for European golf. And he is here on the holiday.

Beeman said that he was one of several players who invited to play on this as a sponsor of the tournament. Sponsors exemption. He didn't come over here for a lark just to wave my clubs in the air. I only accepted this invitation one month ago when I felt my game was good enough for me to do it justice. But Seve just was ranting and ranting about this. He just was so so pissed off about it. And someone asked him again later, like, you know, what do you think about Dean Beeman? He says, why do you mean why you asked me about Beeman? You are trying to upset me. I do not want to talk about this man.

I think of him when I go to sleep and I am still thinking of him when I wake up. And this journalist of Bill Elliott thought when he asked him about this thought that Seve was going to take a swing at him because he was so past. He said Christ, he's going to hit me and a security guard had to step in between them. And Seve was so pissed. He said, Beeman is later again, he's asked hit me and a security guard had to step in between them and Seve was so pissed. He said, Beeman is taking a place that should be reserved for a player who needs the money. He should not be here. And so Billy asked him again and he tells me again, he gets furious. You are trying to upset me asking me about Dean Beeman. I do not want to talk about this man. I fuck you and fuck him.

Later he's, you know, so he's like kind of had like a soft heart too. Uh, you know, you get really mad, he'd blow up at someone and then he'd come back. So he sees bill Elliott the next day. He says, bill, bill, we must speak. And so he runs over to him and he says, please. I said, I reluctantly, Bill says, I turned back and he grabbed me by both arms and moved me so close that only I could hear what he was saying. He says, I was sorry for what I said yesterday.

I should not have spoken to you like that and acted as I did, but Beeman, he upsets me, you know. I was wrong and I am sorry. Foster says, he offered an embrace and I accepted. I mean, who wouldn't? I felt sorry for him. And so I said something about my wife speaking to me like that all the time. And Seve's face grew very serious and he moved in close and again, and he said, that is okay for your wife to speak to you like that, but not for me, never for me.

Another thing that Seve was often like pissed about with journalists is that especially when he was on the scene, you know, he hit it everywhere. He was so great at like getting up and down from places that some of the American press kind of referred to him as lucky. They also kind of, you know, I don't know if you have this in your stuff, but they often like in teasing referred to him as Steve by a serous, which fucking pissed him off immensely. So the same journal, understandably, for sure. I mean, it was kind of racist the way that they fucking like, you know, we're trying to kind of shit on

them a little bit. And so Foster tells a story of like seeing Seve, like during a round, they were literally in the U S open round and he was following Seve along and Seve hit it into like a horribly plugged lie in the sand. And he looked up and he glared at foster and he said, fucking lucky. Why do they call me fucking lucky shit? And then he almost hold the bunker shot. And as he climbed out of the bunker, he looked over foster again and he said, yes, maybe I'm a bit good too.

Yes. Huh? I didn't realize this, but Seve actually was not particularly kind to Augusta. You know, he won there twice, probably should have won there, you know, at least three, maybe four times. But he was furious with Augusta when they changed some of after after he first won his first masters there. Apparently the, you know, they changed the course every year and the, he, the, some of the sort of slopes were reduced so that the balls would be less likely if you hit into like false fronts run back all the way into the fairway that they would get sort

of hung up. They took like he said like 10% of the grade out of it and he was furious about it said that Augusta should be the same way. But I didn't know this in 1987, you know, he was in the playoff with Larry Mize and Greg Norman's kind of forgotten because he three putted the first hole. And so Mize goes on to make his sort of miracle chip. But a lot of people forget that said he was in that playoff. Seve, he stormed up back, you know, after he was in the play, he was crying as he walked up back towards the clubhouse is he was furious about

the fact that a three putt would cost him, you know, he felt that there should be like a three or four hole playoff at the next week at the at the Suzy Open, I think in France, I think that's how you pronounce it, said, I didn't say anything to Augusta Fischl because it might have sounded like sour grapes, but I didn't want to take anything away from Larry Mize. But it is wrong to decide the major on one hole. I don't feel I deserve to be a loser just because of one three putt. If you play 18 holes, there is more chance the real champion will win. Even playing five extra holes, as the British Open does, is much fairer. Sevi called it British Open by the way. I feel more disappointed than I lost last year after being

two ahead with four to play. This time I felt I am the Masters Champion as much as Larry Mize, because I tied him after 72 holes. I was in the best position to win when I birdie the 17th to be the outright leader. It is unusual for two people to catch you, which is why I did not play the final hole more aggressively. That that same fucking week, incredible, the same week he got into a fight with the European tour, because his brother was caddying for him that is who they open and professionals were not allowed to be caddying. Remember all three of his older

brothers were allowed were professional golfers, although they're not very successful. Of course, they had not played in many years of this. They fined Seve 50 euros for his brother and said that his brother could not play. He was of course furious, refused to pay the fine. It's a stupid rule, ridiculous. Why shouldn't he caddy for me? He is my teacher as well as my caddy and he has been looking after my swing for many years but he has never played on the tour. Jack Nicholas Jr. caddied for his father at the Masters. Surely it is good image for the tour, not bad. I think Vincenti's

image is better than some caddies, yes? The fine doesn't worry me. Maybe the PGA needs money. Fine. I helped him. It's tax deductible. There's a little too much anger in your use. There is right. He was, he had this, he did have a way of doing it. I will say this. I hope whoever, if you're listening to this and you're annoyed, Sammy was a smooth motherfucker. I mean, he was so kind of like, he had, he was super good looking. He could sort of like, exactly what you're showing that he was charming. He could sort of give

you like a wink and sort of like, let you not really you couldn't quite tell how, you know, kind of like, whether he was being serious some of the time or whether he was kind of, you know, giving the cheek a little bit. That same year, he got in, he got in sort of a pissing match with the owners of the St. Pierre Hotel and Country Club, which is where the Espen Grand Prix was held. This was before the Ryder Cup and the Greens were like super duper slow and he was furious. He said, how can you prepare for the Ryder Cup when the Greens are 95% slower than they

will be at Muirfield Village? It is wrong. At times I say it, but nobody takes any notice. I complained to the referee, Tony Gray, at the players dinner, and he said he agreed with me, but the greens stayed the same. He said, the Americans beat us most of the time on the greens. We must play regularly on fast, firm greens, but we have little chance of retaining the cup. The surfaces were fast in Canaris, in Cannes, and Meduid.

They could have been, they could have been a chip. So if they had the double cut, but they could have been, uh, they could have been a chip. So if they had the double cut, but the weather has been very good, there was too much grass and the greens were inconsistent. Uh, so just like, dude, just like kind of got himself riled up by picking fights, every sort of stop of the way. Uh, apparently one of the seals was he would play regular matches against, you know, his writer cup teammates, whatever.

Uh, and he would not pay up some of his wagers. Uh, this is not necessarily a feud, but it's something that people were generally annoyed with. He played a practice round with Sandy Lyle prior to the Open Championship at Lithum in 1987. Again, he goes on to win this one. He lost the practice round, but they were basically just betting lunch.

And Ken Brown sort of recalled that Seve often does, he wouldn't, he would just kind of wander away. He enjoyed playing for money in practice, but when he lost, he would sometimes forget of wander away. He enjoyed playing for money in practice, but when he lost, he would sometimes forget to pay. He would wander off to practice ground or lunch or the putting green and you would stand there wondering when the money was going to be paid. Eventually, he'd pay up but sometimes it was a few days later, but he would

or he would say let's go double or nothing the next time we play. I think it was a little bit of way of not letting you have your moment of glory. He hated to lose. I could see that. That checks out with some of the stories we've heard. Speaking of wagering, No Lying Up is brought to you by Fandle. Whether you're dialed in on every shot or just following along the action of the weekend, Fandle keeps you locked into the PGA Tour action all week long because all customers get a

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and that's my territory. I think we had a little overlap on this one, but Seve versus Miguel Angel Martin. So ahead of the 1997 Ryder Cup, Seve is the captain. It's at Valderrama. There was some controversy on what golf course they were gonna play. Seve kept riding for at least one,

maybe two of the courses that he had built to be the host. But Valderrama ended up winning out for a variety of reasons. It was a European, it had long supported the European tour. I have one note additionally on that. So Jaime Ortiz Patino was the billionaire owner who owned Valderrama. One of Seve's claims was that it was too exclusive, too wealthy.

Regular people couldn't play there. And so there was all this discussion about, would Seve back the bid? He wanted it one of his courses, whatever. And at one point Seve claimed that he'd been offered a bribe of a million dollars if he would back the Valderrama bid. And Ryder Cup committee member David Huish was so angry that he was quoted as saying he wanted to punch by hysterics in the face as a result of a made up thing that he was offered a bribe. That's, I mean, who knows? I mean,

this, this Seve claimed that he was offered a bribe, uh, to back the Valderrama bid. And this, the writer cup committee member, David who he said it was a lie. He was so angry about it that he wanted to punch Seve, uh, over this lie. Wow. I did not get that one. So again, so ahead of the 97 rider cup, Miguel Angel Martin is having a hot start to the year, a couple of wins, but then he loses his form and it turns out he needs wrist surgery. So he's playing, he's playing through an injury. The problem was that he had earned enough points to get a spot on the team.

But Martin wrote to the European Tour in the beginning of August after his surgery that he will not be playing. He rules himself out. Seve finds out, calls him, asks what happened, says, I'm sorry if I had known. A lot of this comes from Bunker by the way, but says, hey, sorry, if I had known,

I would have made you vice captain. All friendly things. Everyone's on good terms there. So this allows Jose Maria to get the 10th qualifying spot and allows Europe to select Jesper Parnevik and Nick Faldo to round out the team. So, and then at the end of August, just a month ago, Seve is getting ready to announce the team. But before doing so, a European tour official advises him to send a fax to Miguel Angel Martin to confirm that he can't play. Seve said it was just a mere formality, but the fax was returned with a change of mind that he was ready to join the team, which was a complete surprise. So they are scrambling, like, yeah, what happened here?

How does this happen? Are you healthy? And then following the BMW, which ended on August 31st, the tour requested that Martin undergo tests to prove his fitness, to prove that he was able to play on the team. So then there were some confusing facts sent. There was a friendly one from Ken Schofeldt in the European tour inviting Martin to join the official team delegation, then almost immediately after a threat to expel him from the team if he didn't present himself at Valderrama the next day to prove his health. That fax also said that the

captain and the committee were considering excluding him. But Seve was pissed about this because he was being quoted despite not being at that meeting. So like basically, Joe Philip ever sent the facts with quotes from Seve, but Seve did not say these things, whatever. So then on September 3rd, Martin says, I'm going straight away to my lawyers. It's crazy, a very silly decision. I'm going to fight as hard as I can.

They asked me to go to Valderrama, but if my doctor says I can't go, then I'm not going. It's basically saying that if I go and try to play now, it might mess with my recovery, but still somehow he would have been okay to play just a few weeks later in the event. I gotta say, like, I don't think Martin was like really been working in the best interest of your future. Definitely should not have played in the, I'm team Seve on this one a hundred percent of the way, but some of these quotes that are coming or why I want to focus on it. But, uh, Martin said Seve, I don't think once me in the team, I'm positive that,

but I think I could be on the team still. And I want to try days later in Switzerland. Seve told reporters, Martin is trying to screw everyone. He is like machine gun shooting every way. He has a kamikaze going all the way for the ship. He has been badly advised. I thought he had more intelligence. He is trying to be a hero for the week, a hero for himself. I think he said this multiple times because I have a version of his quote too, that is from the buyer. He said that where Martin threatened to Sue to stop, like did keep us

on the team. And he said, you think Martin can stop the writer cup? That little man, you are crazy. Lawyers can only do so much. Martin is only thinking of himself. He is like a kamikaze pilot flying towards his ship. I thought Miguel was more intelligent than this. He must have a square head. He has had very bad advice. It's just too bad. He's making things worse and worse. You think he wasn't welcome before? What about now? Yeah. Do you think you'd be welcome now? We would be out of our mind to change the decision. Even more scornful of the threat of the legal action.

He tried to play an event leading up to it, but was clearly not right. And eventually some private deal was worked out. Like Martin got to come to the Ryder Cup and even appear in photos But he left before the match even started So basically I don't know if he just wanted for his career resume to say he was a Ryder Cup member or whatnot But something private was was was worked out and that was kind of the end of that one but the kamikaze and machine gun was Which I get I'll ride with seve on this one Like I don't think Martin was necessarily had the team's best interest in mind on that.

The one, the snippet that I'll add to this is that Seve's own brother, Manuel, the president of the Spanish PGA wrote a letter to Ken Schofield asking for the decision to be overturned. So he went against his own brother in the sense of like thinking that Miguel should be been kept on the team. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the guy was hurt. What do you, what do you, what are you trying to accomplish here? But what do you got next? Do you want to keep trading off? Yeah. You know, I think the rules official ones probably I'm going to let you start on that one, but I just, there was one snippet two years later, you know, they had a thing essentially called the Sevi cup that they started to sort of honor Sevi's contributions to the European

tour. And Sevi, you know, would play in it every year. And it was kind of, he was, he was faded as a player at this point. But in the two years, for the first two years, they played at Sevi ended up beating Monte in singles in both of these times. They had these kind of, you know, like back and forth matches where Sevi rose to the occasion. He was ranked like 1200 in the world at the time. And Monte was like a top 20 player. And he just flustered Monte with all the sort of usual tricks that he did. And you know, they were held at Sunningdale, which shows you like, guy, can we please go back to some of these like amazing, like Heathland courses and have these kinds of matches, whatever. But, uh, so this is Sergio has kind of come

on the scene and he's always kind of like, been you know, like Seve is my inspiration. Seve is this, Seve is that. And Sergio said he didn't, he couldn't play on the 1999 team because he was sort of, you know, looking forward to something else, his conflict in his schedule. And Seve, in a truly delicious twist of irony, accused Sergio of demanding an appearance fee. He said, Garcia is the only player so

far who doesn't want to play. I'm a bit disappointed and even more disappointed that he asked for appearance money. Garcia told me he was committed to play in the tournament in America the same week, but at the same time, his manager asked for appearance money. There is no appearance money for anyone at the Seve trophy. I don't think it is fair to ask no fair to the other members of the team or to the Irish tourist board. This is the following years in Ireland. Sergio denied this totally. It was like, I don't know what he's talking about. Oh man, it's crazy. But I just thought that was very funny that like, Seve was like, no, no, no appearance fees for me, but not for anyone else. This was in 2002. Okay. That happened.

That happened. 99 must know it started this heavy cup. And then there's a in 2002. Okay, 2002. 1999 was when it started, the Seve Cup, and then later 2002. I think so. But more of Ballesteros quotes on that were, You think I need to give an explanation? Everything I said was 100% correct. If he wants to talk to me, I am very open, but I am the captain. He qualified for the tournament and he refused to play, so he is the one who's supposed to give an explanation, not the other way around. I don't know if the Seve Cup, that big of a priority for everyone. But, um, so this one was, go ahead.

This one was kind of more sad than anything else. Um, this is the, his beef with John Paramore at the Italian open. And so at this time, like there was, there was some, some underlying things going on from the big four, I think on the European tour that had asked for an audit of the European tour financials. And there was just some underlying tension going on with all that. And Seve, rightfully or wrongly, I think like somewhat correctly, like felt like the rules officials were out for him at this time in timing him.

And he was timed, he got two bad times in around the Italian open in 2003 and got a one-shot penalty from John Paramore, but he refused to take it. He like refused it on the card, wrote it on the card, ended up being disqualified for it and made some possibly misjudged comments concerning the mafia who have it in for him at the Italian Open. So he said, I did not take the penalty because I thought I was being abused by the authority of the referee. I have dignity and I felt he was after me all the way.

If I just smile about it, it's like pulling my pants down and saying to the referee, okay, let's go ahead. This is not something, this is not what someone with dignity has to do. I did speak up and say things I shouldn't. I regret that. So he gives all of this really long quote of like, I've been thinking about this for many, many hours. And the more I see the situation,

the more I see he had decided to penalize me one way or another. The second hole, here we go. The Frenchman I was playing with, Gregory Hevray, has to go back to the second tee. So to make up time, I putt myself to gain time. Then the referee turns up at the fourth hole. On the 10th hole, I lose a ball. It takes four minutes to find it. And this is the only time the group behind have to wait. On the 12th hole,

he says, I have one bad time. The first thing I say is, John, I disagree, but if you really want to penalize me, then go ahead. I was a bit angry then. I missed the green on 12th. I missed the green on 13th. I missed the green on 14th. I missed the green on 15th. On 17th, I find my ball is cracked. So I pick it up and give to the caddy. The rule very clearly says very clearly that time starts counting from when a player is ready to play his shot, and you cannot be ready until your ball is ready.

The rule is clear. The referee says, Seve, you have another bad time. John, this is like a war, I say. So I start running down the fairway. This is a true story. And before I finished, the spectator puts his foot on my ball, so I lost another three or four minutes. If I was so slow, how come when we finished on 18, the match behind was still putting on 17? It was very clear his intention was to penalize me.

He told me that I had been penalized a shot and then walked all the way inside with me to make sure I was penalized. Then I became very angry. I did not take the penalty. I'd rather be disqualified. So that's the true story. So, you know, it's a reminder and reading some of these things, what a great like, kind of in tech voice of integrity, john Paramore, the Europeans chief to referee was like, he stood up to savvy when savvy was, you know, easily like could have, you know, he was a much bigger kind of global icon than john Paramore about people. But John was like, no, like the rules are super important. And he's, I remember reading once he said, you know, when you are dealing with a player as knowledgeable of the rules as Seve

Ballesteros, you have to make sure you get it right. Uh, when asked why he took a long time to make a decision because Seve loved to work the angles, man. Like they got into it one year at the Volvo Masters about a burrowing animal situation when Seve hit it up against a tree. He was, you know, it was trailing by a stroke, or excuse me, tied with Bernard Langer for the lead. He needed to get in there to make a par,

to force a playoff, and he, Supermore did not give him relief. And he was of course furious. And then later they have the incident of the Italian Open. It's just like, this thing's- The fun detail on that relief thing is his ball is near this hole, but it's not. Like it's not even in this way. like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

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He's not going to let me have it. And Paramore reaches into the hole, uh, to like see like, all right, man, I'm going to check this out. Like, is this a, a burrowing animal, an actual hole? Uh, and as he reaches his hand in Sefi goes, careful, he might bite. So good. The mafia quote. I, I remember hearing about, but I just really get up just like, you know, he, he threw IMG in there. You know, he said that show field wouldn't speak to the whole, they're real a fable anymore. Like that they were out to get, you know, picking on him and Faldo and Langer. It was, you know, it was just like, he said, John, you know, Paramore was, I'm going to show Seve what we are capable of doing. And he kind of lost

the room, like a lot of people because they, you know, respected John so much and sort of felt like, yo, to throw out like a conspiracy, you know, Bernard Longer said, I don't know what action will be taken. The tour can't be seen to have incidents like this every week. Seve has been and should continue to be an example for the young guys who all look up to him. Sam Torrance said for Seve to think the tour is out to get him is beyond belief. No one is against him. He made the tour.

He was our Arnold Palmer. Padraig Harrington said, all the players on the tour think of Seve as a hero. He seems to be fighting a battle against himself. It's a pity. Any golfer would give his right arm for his career. He doesn't need to prove anything Paul McGinley added it's disappointing to see dirty laundry washed in public He's entitled to his opinion, but there should be a meeting behind closed doors slow plays getting more and more tedious

It is very rare for someone to be penalized and should happen more often He got so at the Madeira Island open he got sort of warned for slow play and the Madeira Island open, he got sort of warned for slow play and the tournament director Jose Maria Zamora basically said, you know, like you, you, it's a correct ruling. Like you need to pick it up, whatever. And later that year he was so pissed. Seve tried to fight Zamora in the clubhouse at the Spanish closed championship. And they basically like start like that. No one, they didn't say like through punches, but some people had to like pull them apart. And that was again, another instance't say like through punches, but some people had to like pull them apart.

And that was again another incident of like, yo dude, like you kind of lost the plot here. Like it's you know, it's just it. It starts to get a little bit. Yeah, a little bit uncomfortable in a couple of these scenarios. I actually have have a image of that. If you'll allow me to flash it up on screen. Yeah, this is the image from the newspaper of Seve, like leaning in and yelling at Samora. Yeah, well, like the worst, one of the worst ones I think is, I don't know if you had this one as well, but the 1999 Spanish Open.

And this comes from the Daily Mail with Derek Lawrenson. So he writes this, he says, "'Rewind three weeks ago to the Spanish Open "'where Seve was the promoter, "'J Jose Maria Olafaba just won the Masters and Sergio Garcia was making his pro debut. A fiesta filled occasion, in other words. Only trouble was Seve could barely play by then, owing to his chronic back trouble. Even on Thursday, he was looking like he missed the cut. After losing a ball on the 12th hole, he trundled back and played a provisional. Television pictures showed that while Atri had clearly been impeding him on the original shot, now the way was clear.

Q uproar in the clubhouse. When the Taurus chief referee gave Seve the benefit of the doubt, saying his approximation of where the original shot had been played had fallen within the rules, the players went nuts. In the press room, a core of golf writers who had grown up idolizing Seve, didn't want to touch the story with a barge pole. On Saturday morning, it had still not been written. So the bloke working for the Sunday Telegraph at the time decided with the heaviest of hearts that it needed writing.

He's referring to himself there. Here's my second paragraph. Ballesteros was at the center of a storm of controversy yesterday when he was accused of something of which golfers should never be accused. Wow, I don't think the time had reached 8 a.m. that Sunday before the sports desk started fielding complaints. One pro I had quoted said he'd already lost one of his sponsors. On and on it went.

Not a word though from Seve. That came three weeks later at the Benson and Hedges International at the Oxfordshire. Walking to lunch, I can still hear his words as he marched furiously across the lobby. Derek, Derek, I want a word with you. Fingers jabbing, eyes blazing, the almighty rollicking felt like it went on for hours. The pros who gathered for the show were struggling to stop laughing. Lunch was not great that day. And Derek goes on to detail, like Seve didn't speak to him for three years, but then like

an interview gets arranged in some way. And he was like, well, Seve's not going to talk to me, like Seve didn't speak to him for three years, but then like an interview gets arranged in some way. And he was like, well, Seve's not going to talk to me, but Seve did. And they did an hour long interview in the car and Seve ends the interview by saying, bah, Derek, I forgive you for three years. He's like, I did not need, I didn't ask for, I didn't apologize for this. I just reported to what happened on this one, but that was the only one of like. C word coming into mind of like players being seriously pissed about a lot of it is those fall under gamesmanship.

Zinger called him the king of gamesmanship and a lot of it falls under that. Like, you're just an asshole. You're not like breaking a rule here and you're just being difficult. But this one was one that was like, Oh man, I don't see, I don't see how you, how you defend that when you've made a career out of like pushing the rules to the limit, like sometimes you're going to go over it. Yeah. So we always believe that he knew the rules better than anyone, particularly like in match

play stuff in this lengthy golf digest, my shot interview, basically, you know, he sort of claimed like, well, you know, Americans don't know the rules. So like I'm the, and especially in match play. So I'm going to, you know, there was an incident with, uh, I think you have it with the Marco Miran is coin, uh, where Tom layman, Tom layman's he's Tom layman is coin, which I'll sort of defer to you. Whereas like Seve was right. Like it layman was pissed, but Seve was right. Technically right. But also again, very much an asshole. Like for sure. Um, so they're, they're, they're playing a singles match. This is in 1995.

And again, Seve's game is in not very good shape. Um, so there, there, there were playing a singles match. This is in 1995 and getting Seve's game is in not very good shape. Uh, and he's just like trying to throw everything he possibly can at layman who was playing great, but he was only, uh, uh, he was two down to get to the 12th hole. And he refers back and telling the story. He says, uh, when he was playing Wayne Levy at Kiowa in 91, uh, on one hole, he's like, I'm going to go ahead and finish. And Seve said, no, you cannot.

And he wanted to know why. Is it the rules do not allow that in match play. So he had to call a referee, told Wayne to mark because the opponent has complete control of your ball on the green. He didn't know that neither did Tom Layman in this incident in 95. He says, don't get me wrong, Tom's a great guy

and we're good friends, but he misunderstood me that day. He went ahead and tapped in. This sounds like it's a gimme, like a total gimme. Like you're sitting on a game. Yeah, it's like two guys. Yeah. And he went ahead and tapped in. So I imagine it's like, all right,

Seve didn't give him the putt, and Tom's just like, all right, well, fuck you. I'm just gonna tap it in and I'm gonna let you get to me. But he says, you can't do that, because he wanted to use Tom's coin as a reference, and it was only inches from the hole. So I said to Tom, please mark the ball. Both caddies heard me I said it twice very clearly, but he went ahead and tapped it in. I called the referee and the people were starting to get

upset. They didn't understand either. They were screaming at me. They didn't understand what's going on here. They were saying that Seve is trying to put off Tom layman but all I wanted was his coin on the green. Tom was becoming a little bit aggressive toward me. I told him I was not trying to do anything funny. All I wanted was for him to mark his ball. The referee understood very clearly and Tom went back and put his coin down.

Then he explained everything to the gallery and nothing happened. And he says, you have had one or two, the question, you've had one or two other rules discussions during Ryder Cups. He says, yes, from my experience, I have to say that most of the incidents in the Ryder Cups stem from the Americans

not knowing the rules, not every player, but most of them. That is nearly always the beginning of any problems. What happened of the incidents in the Ryder Cup stem from the Americans not knowing the rules, not every player, but most of them. That is nearly always the beginning of any problems. What happened with the ball and key was because, uh, Paul Aizinger and Chip Beck did not know the rules, neither of them, which he's technically right on that part. But also he's just totally trying to goad, uh, layman directly into getting his blood pressure up and, and, and spilling it. So well, so I do you have any more little things you want?

Cause I think I have an anecdote that will sort of bring us full circle back to our last golf feuds pod. I'll do my final dump and this are just a few tiny ones. Uh, some on the first green of a four ball match against Curtis strange and Tom Kite in 1987, uh, Seve had an altercation with the Americans that illustrated both his sublime skills and his willingness to embrace confrontation. Strange was so confused by his opponents discussing which of them would actually play first.

He actually asked, can you speak in Christian? Oh, God. Yeah. So I don't know exactly what they were doing. I don't know if they were just talking way too long before teeing off, but obviously getting under Curtis's leading to it. Don't let them pull anything on you. I will say before you go, one of the things that didn't really fit in the feuds thing, but when Seve was playing in that first open championship in Royal Berkdale, when he and Johnny Miller were

playing together, they were paired together the whole day. Seve didn't speak English back then. And like, he was kind of wild over and he was like, he needed essentially like a birdie on 17 to assure that he'd be tied for second place that he'd, you know, get a second place check, whatever. And out of nowhere, Johnny Miller started speaking Spanish to him. And he was like, you know, you're you're playing, you're a really good player, but you need to work really hard and make sure you come in here and make a four because you're going to be tied. Jack Nicholas

is coming and you want to make sure you secure second place. And Seve was like, you know, I spoke Spanish the whole day. Like it was just slowly, but which I thought was kind of awesome that Johnny Miller like lifted out of, yeah, just dropped it in that moment. I'm like, Hey, like just, just chill. We want to make sure you get second place there. I got two more final ones. This one, this one was cringe a little bit.

Uh, in 1997, Seve was a European captain, of course, for the Ryder Cup in Valderrama. He met the American team playing when it landed. And when Brad Faxon walked off, who was going through a very public divorce at the time, Ballesteros said, where's your wife? Asked him where's your wife. Faxon said he was convinced that Seve knew about it and was trying to get in his head. Faxon said he apologized, but the damage was done. He'd put the dagger in. Yeah, that one, that one's tough. And then last one, Seve and Tom Watson had a little scuffle at the 1983 U S open.

Seve had won the masters this year. Do you know this one? No. Debbie was paired with Watson for the final round of the US Open and Seve usually wore blue on Sundays and Tom Watson wore blue on that final round and Seve didn't like that. That's it. That's the whole one. It just created beef anywhere possible. Seve shouldn't really throw stones in anyone's marriage because Seve actually

married the daughter of one of the wealthiest businessmen, like bankers in all of Spain. And it was sort of like a cultural kind of tension all throughout their lives. And of course, Seve like cheated on her like many, many times and they eventually got divorced. He told Peter Alice years later in 2009, he said, I feel a little sad because I don't have anybody. I'm all by myself. That's the thing that worries me in the winter when it's dark and the weather is bad. But I do want to close with a sort of, you know, we had such a fun time with our Brookline pod and how enraged the Europeans were.

And all throughout that, you know, we didn't have Savvy's perspective because he wasn't involved in that Ryder Cup team. It was the first Ryder Cup team that he had not been involved in, in many, many years. And so when he sat down with Golf Digest in 2000, they wanted to know his thoughts. I said, you've been involved with the Ryder Cup for nearly 20 years, but you weren't at Brookline last year. What was your impression of what went on at the country club? He says, I was in France. I didn't see much of it. They only show the highlights at midnight. But I have very good information for my brother, Baltimore. They were four, we were four points ahead and that was misleading.

In my opinion, we were only one point ahead going into the last day. Would you have, and he said, would you have not done what Mark James did holding out Andrew Coltart, Yarmir Sardan, as Yarmir Sandlin and John Vanderveld until singles. And he said, we had three Ryder Cup rookies who didn't play a week all to Sunday. It's hard to have confidence if you don't play when you haven't played much in America. So there was nothing there for them to think they had a chance to win any of those three matches. And one of them was playing Tiger Woods.

I don't know. Those were Mark James's decisions. It's always easy to look back and say this should have been done differently. But my philosophy was always let everyone play at least one match before the singles. If you ask the players to play in the morning and the afternoon, by Sunday they are worn out. I know that because it happened to me. My record in singles was not good. He was actually 2-4 and 2 in singles. I didn't know that. But that's the simple reason. I had nearly played in all the matches. So

golf digest says what about the business on the 17th green? Seve said the business on the 17th green. He said yeah, after Justin Leonard hold his butt. Seve said I saw the headlines. The players forgot that all that's Apple must putt. But I think that incident was not the cause of the defeat. They said, What would you have done? Had you been on the green? Seve said, What can you do? Nothing. I'm not trying to excuse the Americans. I disapprove about what happened. But the same thing probably would have

happened in Europe. The smoking guns, I said he forgave people the European press could not forgive it, but Seve forgave what happened to the Americans. The same thing probably would have happened in Europe. So it's really, if everybody else is feuding, then Seve is gonna play nice. Like, all right. Yeah. All right.

He's the contrarian. That's the TC way of feuding right there. That's 100%. Everybody else is gonna be feuding I've got to play nice here. I'm going to flip it all over. All right. That's all I got. If, if, if people have more incidents, please leave them in the comments on the YouTube

page. Uh, and you know, we may, we can dive back into this. I think there's a full SEVY, like I mentioned, there's a, there's many more SEVY pods to be done. Uh, but man, that man enjoy confrontation and, uh And, and I really enjoyed learning a lot about it. And I feel like I've kind of this is like the first real savvy dive I've done. And it just makes you realize like how much how much there is there and you know, the effect that he had

on people and I just want to go watch highlights now especially watching that match play. And just check it out. That aesthetic is just it's something truly aspirational. People dressed really, really well back then. And the British fans were so just doing British fan stuff of all the clapping and everything. It just was golf was a proper sport. Now we're all trackmen and all that. I think I'm going to bring some fruit cake to the NLU club championship this year. See if I can see. All right. All right. This is fun. Thanks, Kev. Thanks, bud. For Fandel must be 21 older and president select states for Kansas and affiliation with

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