No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1036: Evian Preview with Sophie Walker + Minjee Lee Interview

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sarge here today. Randy is out on his summer vacation. Good for him. I'm running solo this week. It's major championship kind of week. It is your Evian preview. So we got a great run of show for you. In a little bit, I'm going to be joined by the wonderful Sophie

Walker. She does a ton of commentary work. She's a former player on the ladies European tour. She's an instructor. She does it all you've heard her on our content before, but we're going to get a rundown on everything going down on the ladies European tour Lottie Wode winning the KPMG women's Irish Open last week and get you set up for the Evian Championship. After that, I was joined a couple days after her win at the 2025 KPMG women's PGA Championship by Minji Lee.

All right. She won a couple of days later. She was gracious enough to get on the call with me and we got a great, great rundown. So I'm excited to get Minji's interview out to the world. But before we get to Sophie, this episode, of course, is brought to you by our friends at Titleist, the number one ball in golf.

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dare I say, golfing ability between us. But I hope he's having a lovely time. And we are here to talk about women's golf. And we're over in Europe. So that's why you've got me, right? Absolutely. So we're finally here to the heart of the European summer. I'm very, very excited about it.

You were calling the golf last week, as we saw, an amazing rookie win on the LET. And I think it encapsulates everything that's good about the game of golf right now. Of course, people are probably familiar with Lottie Wode. She won the Augusta National Women's Amateur two years ago. She's the number one ranked amateur in the world. She's two points away on the leap, which we've talked about leap. Luckily, we have to have Jordan come in and usually explain to us what that actually system is. But she won her first professional event six stroke victory over young hitter, Madeline Seggstrom over in Ireland. But tell me, what do you think about Lottie? Is this one of those things that you saw coming?

Were you waiting for this or like, where are we at? Because I'm, it's hard not to get excited about this. It's really hard not to get excited, especially being English, Cody, you know, Solemn Cup English, yes. I mean, Lottie has been an outstanding golfer since, well, she really came on most people's radar when she won the girls amateur championship at Canusti a few years ago. And since then she's gone from strength to strength, part of the England golf set up, winning all types of team events with England golf.

Then she headed out to Florida and I suppose put her name on a world stage with not just winning at Augusta, winning properly, you know, two back with five to play and just rolling off the birdies, hitting the proper golf shots. And I wonder if she will ever feel pressure or anxiety or stress like that again,

other than possibly in position to win a major or maybe a women's AIG open, because right there, that was what impressed me so much about Lottie. And since then, she's just got like so much poise about her. She knows exactly what she wants. She wants to be a pro golfer. She knows how to go about it,

she doesn't leave any stone unturned. All she needed, right, was opportunities. So she's from the south of England, Farnham Golf Club, what a great setup. Her dad is the junior organiser Cody. They have 150 juniors down there. It's off the charts. So Nick has some help now, but this is how it all started for Lottie. And given now she's got the facilities over in Florida, she can have a bit of financial backing, she can go get the right clubs, take her coaches out to these events, take decent caddies, etc. etc. Because she has all the tools. I mean, there is no weakness to her game, her wedge play. Oh my goodness.

I mean, we go on about these Pro V1s, but my ball doesn't do that. It's within like two yards all the time. So yeah, and she's not phased. So in England, there's a football team called League United. And if you support League United, you're from the North most of the time, and you say it how it is, you're straight talking,

they yo-yo from Premier League to Championship, and nothing fazes you. And she's a League United fan, and it's like, yeah, you just know, she is. She's great. And I can't speak highly enough about her. And I probably think I get more excited than she does because hey, it's what she should do.

She is very steady, not only in like her demeanor and everything, but she's just always kind of just riding right there. Very consistent. I didn't realize that. So she comes from a golfing background. Her dad got her into the game. And then if you wanna talk a little bit about, you know, the program,

the amateur program that you guys have set up in England, because I think for a long time, you know, I saw a tweet earlier today. Everybody's all excited getting ready for the open both men's and the AIG women's open. But there was a mention of it's been 33 years since there's been a male Englishman win the Open Championship. And I know that takes a lot of work and a lot of people have looked into English golf and England golf and have always kind of been like, where are the players at? And I think we're starting to see it not only probably first, you know, the women's side is coming up a little bit more now, not so

much trying to knock the men or the boys or anything else like that. But talk to us about this program, because I know that's where you came from as well. It is and it's something that as a program, they've really started to pride themselves in it. I know this sounds winning, like a performance, that they're looking long-term. So when we pick teams, we're looking real long-term on it.

There's the head of the women's at the moment is, well, there's Nigel Edwards, but in terms of the coaching, there's a guy called Steve Robinson, Robbo is what we call him. He's a Yorkshireman too. He's the stats coach for Matt Fitzpatrick. He's been in charge now, overseeing it for at least a decade. He started with the Bronte Laws and he's brought all them through.

I think that consistency really helps. When they're looking for coaches, be it regional or the junior coaches, they have to fit into a certain ethos, which is great. And then when the kids, it used to be Cody, if you went out to college in America, you were left. It was like, right, off you go then, we don't want anything to do with you. Now it's like, no, this is where we want you to be.

Cause actually financially it works out better for England for more than half of the year. These kids are out in warm weather. Now, most of them stick to the East Coast, but we encourage them to go out to America now to enjoy the facilities, the practice, the great weather, and the tournaments. Because when I was young, golf didn't really start till probably the Helen Home, which is the Scottish amateur, which is spring, and it would go through to September and then it would stop. Now you have that, but then you go to school in America. And what they do is they send their coaches out to America. So in the off weeks, for instance,

Thanksgiving, when you guys are all tucking into your roast dinners or turkey or whatever it is. Our groups of kids, they go to a quiet golf course and they train together. Golf camps. Yeah, golf camps. I think we're very familiar with this. I think a lot of popularity of it

or maybe more understanding has come from the Swedish side and the Swedish development team and everything the last couple of years. But we need to be better at carrying on through a professional level, which you will slowly start seeing. I know Lottie isn't a professional, but now she can be financially backed. If you look, she's got England golf logos on her.

She's still representing. And I found when I turned pro that there was a big gap. You really enjoyed representing your country, then you left and was left to yourself. There's going to be a bit better bridging gap. It still needs to be much improved. The Australians, when they turn pro, they have a house in America and a house in England. The Swiss are doing really well. Obviously, you mentioned Sweden, Denmark are great. And I believe the Americans are now starting with this formula that got Tiffany Jo in charge.

But it's taking the opportunities. You don't need money to be great at golf. You need opportunities and places to play. And that's what England Golf are striving to do. Yeah, that's very well put and you're spot on as usual. It helps when you have a lotty. It does. It definitely does help. It definitely does.

Because she works so hard. She is the hardest worker. She's the best golfer, but she's the hardest worker. She's very good in a team environment. She's not individual in there. She doesn't talk too much about golf when she's around all the others. She's not individual in there. She doesn't talk too much about golf when she's around all the others. She's easy to be around.

And I was asking her coach, Luke Bone, what's her biggest weakness? And he said the fact that she works too hard. Sometimes we have to pull her off and be like, rest up. We've heard that before too, from some of these stud young amateurs, but you're right. I mean, she seems to have really no holes in her game. It appears that she's ready for the big moment. She's

put herself you know, she's played in a handful of majors already. I know she's in the field this week, of course, at the Avion, it'll be her third major that she's played in this year so far. So miss a cut at Chevron. But at the US Open, US Women's Open at Aaron Hills, T31 there, you know, got a lead point. That's what mattered. She needed to get that point. She would have got another one, I think, for a top 20 finish. But really, I think we'll see how she fares this week at Evian because she missed a cut there last year, but something that's familiar. And I think that's, you know, we give, we get, everybody gets excited about these rookies

and we don't realize that every single place that they go, this is the first time they're ever there. And it's not only the first time they're looking at these golf courses, the first time they're playing in a major championship and each major is so different and what is expected and not expected from the players. So he can't put crazy weight on that, But I'm really excited for her to get to Royal Pearls call in a couple weeks because she was in it last year. I mean, she hopped the shot on 18 remember? I know. I know. It was crazy. I think she finished 10th or T10 or something like that,

but she was there the whole time. But that is a golf course that she knows well because we have the cent rule there, which is played on the old course. So Lottie would have played the old course multiple times. So you're telling me that she's not gonna fair very well in Wales. No, I'm just saying that going back to your example is.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, back to the KPMG women's in Ireland real quick. Carton House, I think it's one of those courses that we naturally as American viewers, we say this all the time about the Scottish Open on both men's and women's sides as well. We naturally think that they have to be at like these great links venues and that's not really the case. It's not the best representation of the entire country's golf. We definitely, United States don't just play

golf courses that are up and down the coast. We play courses all over the place, but what is it about it? Because it seems to be, have like a pretty good run now of good champions and exciting finishes. What what KPMG have done is brilliant. And we have to thank Leona McGuire solely, I would say, for getting the women's Irish Open back on the map. The schedule fits around her. This year, if you look at the players that came, Madeleine Sagstrom, Anna Norquist, Charlie Hill, they're mates. Yeah, so Leona's probably given them a quick phone call, said look it's the week before, Evian, can you come on down? And it's the main reason why I think we had 16 Irish players in that event

because we've got a 30-year-old Leona Maguire that they've watched their entire life and want to be. That's brilliant. But also where it is, so it's just outside Dublin, 20 minutes outside Dublin, very easy to get to. That's why you can get all the big crowds. And even with a bit of squally weather, like the Irish come out in force, especially to support their own as well. And as much as it'd be great to have it on the coast, the coast means that we wouldn't get those type of crowds. This golf course, great golf course, they actually held the World Amateur Championship there

a few years ago where your American team won. Lily Abu, Jennifer Cupp Show, they were part of that team. And it's got two golf courses, it's got an Amirah course and a Montgomery course. But the Amirah course is very pretty it looks great on television and and the house like this carton house it's so old I mean like like 1750 is one of the

buildings on the golf course so it's got all that lovely Irish history as well and yeah so for me yes would we like it on a Lynx golf course yeah cool but for me, yes, would we like it on a Lynx Golf Course? Yeah, cool. But for the actual event, the fact that the hotel's on property, the facilities are insane, like so good. And the people come out and watch the course condition. It got voted the best tournament of the year last year on the LAT and the best condition golf course. No one moans about setup. There's nothing to moan about really,

which the last few weeks, there's been stuff to moan about, right? So it makes it good. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. No, you're right with the sponsors. I don't even want to, well, sponsors exemptions is one thing

because there is a ton of young Irish amateurs that played in the event. You're right. But you saw big name players, not just, you know, you mentioned some Europeans, but I think this is where I'm always talking about and I'm very excited about the new LPGA commissioner, Craig Kessler coming on board.

We're a week away from that now. I know there's changes that are going on right now on the LET side, but this is an event and it's very, very interesting of where it's at. This tournament should be a co-sanctioned event, just like the Scottish is a co-sanctioned event. Just like Evian, I understand it is a major, but even going back further than that, there

should be a European summer to the women's professional golf calendar and you shouldn't have to pick and choose and you know, fans deserve and have the right I think to be, you know, a great L.E.T. tournament in Ireland. But why can't we elevate the Irish Open to be everyone there, to get Nelly there, to get everybody? And I'm not saying that Charlie and Georgia and Madeline who came over, this is the first time that she's played at an event and I'm sure it wasn't helped a lot by Leona, but also the fact that Shane has been her caddy forever and is from there and wanted to go home and work in front of his family and everything else like that,

they come away with solo second finish. I just wish that there is a way for both of them to come together to make what is best for the schedule as a whole. I agree, but if that happens, it does have to be a co-sanctioned. It can't be, for instance, LPJ taking the event, but it also can't be the LPJ saying, yeah, we'll come, but there won't be the investment in the television.

Let event with a sprinkle on top because it's got LPJ players. It really does have to come together. And maybe, obviously, you said about commissioners coming and going that it's hard to get a relationship isn't it when the people aren't in charge long enough or they meet up enough but with the Scottish Open like Nellie's coming that's so cool but I'd love the TV production to be put more money into the TV production and have it I mean it is it's still it's still a really good event, the Scottish, but it could be elevated even more with more prize money,

et cetera, and obviously the Irish Open would be great. I'd love an English Open. I feel quite embarrassed. Very embarrassed that there isn't an English event and open on the Ladies European Tour. There is an event, obviously, in north of London at Centurion Club, which is the PIF Global Series. But there isn't an English Open, so that would be great.

Well, even if you look at the schedule, I'm pretty sure that the Centurion event this year falls on an off week for the LPGA Tour. Yeah, they do them on off weeks most of the time. I'm interested in your perspective of it because you follow the LET so much closer than we do. But it seems like people that have gone over and played in some of the Ramco events, bigger names from the LPGA Tour side, they haven't had the consistency of them going and continuously

playing in them. And I think that would help bolster the, the team dynamic that they tried to go with, and I understand that they've restructured how those events are going anyway, but it's very interesting because the purses are there for sure. It just seems that, you know, people are continuing to pick and choose when they want to play instead of going to an event where they know they're going to get the most amount of money even you know it's not a conflicting event so why wouldn't they go there's pros and cons for not

having a conflicting event because that means that the people that you sponsor that are on the lpga like a carl otter zygander or um emily pettison they can come back and play them as a sponsored requirement. But also it is a week off. So to ask if we've got one in China, for instance, or if we've got one in, I don't know, where else are we, England, to get someone to fly over on their week off. They don't want to. Their schedule is very much LPGA focused

because that's where they earn most of their money and that's their day job. For them to come over for the week it kind of disrupts that. Also, they did use, I'm not sure, I don't know how much they pay anymore because I know at the start they did pay quite a lot of money to get people over for them and I don't know where that money is now, I don't know if it's less, I don't know if it's less. I don't know if it's the same, but there's maybe not as an encouragement to do so. But because the actual events, I can tell you now,

you speak to any of the LPGA players that come over, the food, courtesy cars, the way they are looked after is better than your average LPGA ever. Yeah, for sure. And the golf courses are outstanding. Well, yeah, I mean. But there's a pro-arm format to it

and the rumors got around that it's slow, okay, because it's four balls. Oh, because of the amateurs? Well, it was the amateurs. Yeah. So yeah, and then it's slow because people are playing, it's four balls. But Madeline Sagstrom was saying how quick she thought the LAT was this week. So she knows the difference in pace of play.

But when it comes to four people and everyone's got a hole out, what do you do? Well, yeah, I'm sure the last tournament that Madeline played in also took her about six and a half hours to get around a very difficult, you know, Fields Ranch East in Frisco for the KPMG Women's PGA. So it's not hard to compare the two, that's for sure. A little bit later in this episode, we're actually gonna have Minji Leon, where I did an interview with her a couple days after

she won that major championship. But I would like to turn to France. Sophie, you've heard us talk about it before. You've talked to us about it at length. The Avion championship, we're kind of confused still about the whole deal. We understand it's a major championship. We understand why Mike Wan made the decision to grant them a major stampionship, you know, venue and at the time purse and

everything because of where the LPGA tour was actually at in 2011, 2012. But now it seems it's hard. I don't want to walk myself into a hole here because I know the players actually absolutely love it. They're very well taken care of. Everybody likes the food, they like the venue. I think it's one of those things from a fan's perspective, it's just something is missing. And I don't know quite what it is, but I've never been there. So please, if you could enlighten us, What are we missing here? Don't know what we're missing. Maybe that I mean, the fact it's called Evian Resort Club, that spin doesn't help, does it? Because then it suggests it's not a championship golf course.

And they have spent a lot of money on making it better. But it still isn't, you know, a golf golf course which would sit in the top 100 in the world, for instance. So there's that. I used to think, I didn't like the fact that it used to be an invitational and it was something else and then it became a major and I was like, oh well, no, a major should start from what it was. But then if you look back at the history, the British Open for the women didn't used to be a major. I think since Chevron has moved,

I'm now thinking my thoughts change on Evian because there's a consistency to Evian, which none of the other majors have because it goes back to the same venue. There is a good 30 year history on it now. You get good winners, you get good finishes. And the fact it's in Europe, I really like, but it comes down to five majors, doesn't it? And is it a Grand Slam if it's four majors, is it a Grand Slam if it's five? But Lydia Koh said that she's stating that it's four majors, is it a grand slam if it's five? But Lydia Ko said that she's stating that it's five majors now and we're coming to a point where there's people... the Evian used to be full of people that knew what it was and I don't think there is anymore.

There can't be more than a handful of people that used to know what Evian was so the likes of Ayaka Fudo-way, you know, Brooke Henderson, the most recent winners as such, they can't remember what it used to be. So now it's evolving, but it's not run by a federation either. That's what makes it quite interesting. There's no PGA of America, you know, the RNA, in that sense, it's quite a private, privately run event, isn't it? So is it managed by one of the big agencies because... Yeah, I think it's IMG. I would assume so.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that makes sense. You talked about, so this is the 31st anniversary of it. It's the 30th playing that didn't play during COVID. It was the Evian Masters from 1994 to 2012. In 2012, that's when it became a

co-sanction event with the OPGA Tour and LET, excuse me, and got its major status. This is the 12th edition of it being a major championship. Ayaka Fudo-E is the defending champion. She won last year, drained a clutch putt. She made every putt coming down the back nine. Of course, our listeners will remember that because we were heartbroken watching LC get to the 18th hole. And then LC and John literally standing on the 18th green when Ayake made that putt, just literally just started smiling and laughing because of course she made that putt. But it turned out very, very well for both of them and Elsie going on and getting, you

know, having two wins the rest of the year and an incredible Solheim Cup. I say it has, I've learned more about this golf course, watching it as the years go on. It is such an exciting final nine. That's what I don't quite get. It's tons of risk reward. It's about shot placement where you need to be at. They put pins in very difficult positions that you usually do not see at any event, let alone, you know, major championship on the LPGA Tour calendar. I just don't know what it is. Outside, it seems to be

like the hodgepodge of like more and more branding put on top of it every single year. But I don't know. I agree with you. It very much is a major. It's it's also you talked about the Chevron move. I honestly think that I kind of enjoy Evian and the Evian golf course more than I like the course in Texas where they're hosting the Chevron at now. So it's hard to talk about that. And they continue to increase the purse. You know, they're not quite up there to the high, high US women's open. But year over year over year, you've had purse increases and they continue to invest not only in the course, not only into the players, but everything else going on around it, which is very difficult for me to sit here and say, well, why do I not like it then because they seem to be doing everything right.

Yeah, like, but but also you think when you did start all this podcast and it was when Evian was was having a bad time, you know, it got moved to September, it got rained out. It kind of didn't get treated like a major when it got rained out because it should have been finished on a Monday and it wasn't. Then there was the, and I don't want, don't take this the wrong way, but Lexi Thompson would have been one of the only women golfers that you would have known much about

and she was the one that was saying, I, she didn't like it. but Lexi Thompson would have been one of the only women golfers that you would have known much about. And she was the one that was saying how she didn't like it. So if, if, if somebody like it. She doesn't even play it now. No, no, she won't even play this one. Considering she plays everything else, she won't play this one. But she wouldn't have done even if she was playing

a full schedule. There's that, there's definitely that in it. I think the timing of when it all started you do have to go to Evian I think it's a place that you need to go to to appreciate why the players like it and now you've got to say just just think of it's like you know you always want an Asian major like yeah I should be an agent so there'll be stuff innate like happens in Asia that you'll be like oh that's weird that wouldn't happen in America. And it's the same at Evian.

Like the tea times are a bit later and there's a champagne tent, like Verve Clique on tap. That it's just- Very French. Yes. I mean, I suppose you have to get into that mindset of it. In terms of the golf course, it's an incredibly European golf course,

something that I never liked playing it. I don't like hitting off side slopes because I grew up by the coast. It's tree-lined. There's some quirky golf holes to say the least, but that's very European. I just think we need to start, we've had a tough run of women's majors and Evian, you know what you're gonna get. You know that, like you said, the pins are gonna be in good spots. It's all about approach play.

There's a consistency to it. And actually, it's a very good woman's golf course setup. Well, there you go. I'm excited. Now, please everybody tune in and watch these. As long as it doesn't rain. I know, hopefully it doesn't rain. If it rains you can't see the lake.

Everybody tune in, that'll be all week long. We're excited and we'll talk about the results on Sunday's podcast. Lottie Wode, we talked about it. She's in the field, of course Nellie, Lydia. Celine Boudier, who I know does so much for golf in France. She's an Evian. Evian sponsors her. She carries that flag everywhere. She goes so well. Minji, Maya, and then Ayaka is the defending champion. I'm really excited because I do think

that we're at a great spot in the calendar of this and hopefully something is cemented on this European swing that we're trying to stamp into the ground. I don't know. We'll see. Anyway, I sent you a message probably like a month ago, something like that, and was like, wow, Mimi Rhodes is really good. And it is a name that, you know, we heard a couple of years ago when she was in college and everything kind of went away for a little bit. She's won multiple times this year on the ladies European tour. She played in a couple of majors, probably not the best results that she wanted. But talk to us a little bit about Mimi.

Well, Mimi was part of the Curtis Cup team, the Victoria's Curtis Cup team at Sunningdale and she went to Wake Forest which I'm sure you'll be able to wax lyrical about, it's a very successful college over in America. And she turned pro, she came over to the Ladies European Tour and part of our England Golf system when she was as an amateur, I kind of used to look at her and think, you need to turn pro. It felt, she felt-

Really? Yes, because- Ahead of her time. When you are an amateur, you can come across as cocky, but actually if you turn pro, you come across as confident. And they're the same person, and it's the same mentality.

She has that little aura about her where there's a good self-belief there, and I hope that never gets knocked out of her. And if she was a man at some point, they'd probably be, sorry, not a man at some point, if she was a man, they'd be like, cool, that's great, go on, you think you're really good. But as a woman, you're like, whoa, don't be too...

I like her positiveness about her game. I like the way that when we say you've won three times as a rookie, her next question is, what's the record? And she's like, I know Kiara Tambolini's won four, I know Caroline Headwell's won four, so is it five? She's ready to ask those questions. She's ready to change her goals because a lot of people say well, I come on tour and it's like keep my tour card, then I keep my tour card, then I win.

She's ready to go, okay, well my next goal is this and my next goal is that. She is speaks Spanish because she lives down in Spain. So she lives in Sotagrande with her parents and her sister Patience. She goes to ASU, Arizona State University. Also played Kurt's Cup, but she's still an amateur. Went to boarding school in England, went to Millfields boarding school, which is a sports school over here. I think that is maybe why she's quite confident and quite self-assured and knows how to look after herself because she was there alone with her sister. I like her. I like her a lot. Got a little twinkle in her eye and swings it good, hits

it well. Yeah. So three times. She won in like, I would say the thing is for now, it's like, right, you've won in like different continents. Cool. Like this is your, this is a really big summer for European golfers. Summer is in general, like not this summer. What happens now? Like don't go to these events and be like, ah, nearly called her. Like Lydia Ko, like please go to them and be like, no, you're at my spot here and I'm gonna turn up. I think she admitted to be a little bit in awe at KPMG, but now that's gone. Let's knuckle down, yeah.

Good, and used to competing with them at the highest level, maybe not the likes of Nellie, but everyone else. I mean, that she's played against and with in college the last couple of years. They're all now out there on the LPGA tour and she will be too probably so my question is Mimi is having an an incredible year and she will more than likely come over and play the LPGA tour and we're stuck in this conundrum again of is that is that good for the ladies European tour and where there has

to be like a netting out portion of it because we see we talked about it when we're talking about the KPMG Irish of how great it was that Leona got the Madelins and Charlie and Georgia probably play more LED events than anyone else but more people going back and playing L.E.T. events. And how do you do that? If you start on the L.E.T., you want to come back, Colie. Gino Titicum loves coming back. She calls it home. If you experienced a year or two out here, you look to come back.

Chiara Tambolini played, did she play US Open? And flew back to play Tenerife. Yes. We were like, why are you here? She goes, I love it, love coming back. So there's that hold and it's still back home to Europe no matter what country they're in. All right, they might struggle to go and play

the Asian ones or the Australian ones, but if it they're in. Alright, they might struggle to go and play the Asian ones or the Australian ones, but if it's back in European soil, it's okay. The Leite, Seveste, Henselite will always come back and do Germany. So ideally we will get them for their home events, same with the Spanish. Just got to make sure the schedules work out.

And also you have to play in six LAT events per year to get Solan Cup. So you do have to come back and support it. Sometimes I wish that they didn't go too early. The way that they're developing so quickly at the minute, we only get them for a year and the LPGA kind of kicks them a bit and their confidence goes quite quickly. I was seeing that from Pauline Roussane-Bouchard who actually had a great result at the last major

and Chiara Tambolini was edging that way, had another good result. But somebody like Lexi Furstelin has really struggled recently. I know she's had injuries, but you just wonder like, oh oh did they go too quick? But I totally understand why they do but I don't worry about them coming back Because they they don't do it for the money coming back, which doesn't happen too much in golf. I suppose

Yeah, that's right and somebody I mean we haven't brought her up yet But you could throw Maya probably in that bucket as well We know the Lynn came out on the LAT had immediate success. Maya obviously won a couple times as well and then came over and was back in the States and she's familiar with being in the States from college. But I think had such immense pressure that she was putting on herself and then success early at, got a win, they got her card, but also early success at the Solheim Cup in Spain. Followed that up last year at the Solheim Cup in Virginia. And you know, the questions of, well, hey, when are you going to win again? What is going

on here? Made a caddy change and then you see kind of struggled the beginning of this year and then obviously won her first major championship at the US Women's Open. So it's interesting to see the highs and lows and roller coaster of it because you're right, there is such a family dynamic that is created on the ladies European tour that's amazing. And then they come over to the LPGA side and it's truly like, you know, you're by yourself and yeah, you might have your same little physio small group that you go around, you might work out with, but then you're like, okay, well,

I'm gonna either go to Dallas or I'm going somewhere in Florida. And I now have to figure out where I'm practicing and playing and just living my life. They spend so much time by themselves. There's hardly any community. It's just different, isn't it? And it's the size of America that makes it so hard,

I suppose, for the players. And the standard is insane. Look, you could make a double bogey on the L.E.T. and you're not thinking I'm gonna miss the court. Well, on the LPGA, you don not thinking I'm gonna miss the Cup. Well, on the LPGA you're done, it's hard work. But yeah, it's just the way it is. Europe's always been this way, America's always been that way and being different's good. I just hope that there will always be that want to come back. I mean you just have to look at Anna Norquist, like how proud she is of being the Solheim Cup captain.

We were interviewing her last week and it's all she knows, it's all she's ever wanted to do. As long as we can keep the Solheim Cup being the highlight of these players golfing careers, then it'll be okay. Yeah, absolutely. And man, I know we got another year and a half almost to go. Well, it's almost a year now, but I'm so excited to go.

The Solheim Cup's been such a great event for us to go to and see everybody so excited. And I know next year back in Europe, it's going to be amazing. And I'm pumped because they have two feisty captains. And the way that it's shaping out teams, there's going to be a consistency on both teams, but you have such strong young players who are hungry, who are winning early, that have a legitimate shot to be on these teams. So it's going to be a little bit of a shakeup. Now, Sophie, you are a very, very busy woman.

You're not only playing a ton of golf, you're teaching people how to play golf, you're calling golf all over the place. I have no clue how you manage your schedule at all, but I do know as an American, I get so excited because yes, you get a call, do a radio for majors and everything else like that. But when you are calling women's golf on TV, we get to

watch that usually via NBC Sports app or anything else like that. So how do you balance all this stuff? I truly don't understand it. I have very understanding students that are okay with seeing me once a month and I try and teach them in a way that they're structured to be able to look after themselves and I also do online coaching which helps. The commentary does take priority and I actually don't take my golf clubs away with me when I travel. So there are times where I could not play golf

for three weeks maybe. When I'm in Britain I take them out. But yeah, when I'm on tour they kind of stay. So that's why I'm excited to, I'm looking at them now, my golf clubs. Come on. I love it. I mean, commentating on golf is,

for me I'd be doing it anyway. It's like the best thing. them now, my golf clubs, come on. I love it, I mean, commentating on golf is, for me, I'd be doing it anyway. It's like the best thing, I'd be getting excited over people hitting great golf shots, and yeah, I mean, I'm good to not be avian. I'd love to be there, I'd quite happily work five weeks in a row, but it is good to have some time off and to refresh, and I'll be back out next week

for the men's open championship. I do think it helps me that I do different roles all the time. So I do radio sometimes, I do TV, I do LPGA, LED, a couple of men's events. I'll do on-course commentary or I'll do in the box. I tell you what was so much fun the other day. I did the women's amateur up at Nairn and I met all of the new generation and it was just lovely to see them. Or like, Paula Martin, she beat another Paula

in the quarterfinals and she cadded for her. I was like, oh, that's so great. And then some of your American girls were lovely to be around and you think, well, hopefully I'll get to see them come through in the next five years time. I'll be thinking, well, I was at Nairn where, you know, Hannah tried her first ever iron brew.

Right, right. Yes, thanks, Liza. It is a great spot to see. You see so many players develop, but you're also creating relationships and things. So when you see them, all of a sudden, if you're standing next to the 18th green at the AIG Women's Open, they look over there, oh yeah, that's just Sophia. Of course, I'm going to go answer Sophie's question now.

Well, I mean, yeah, maybe I don't think they see me yet as a journalist. I don't think they, I think on the L.E.T. they still see me a bit more as a peer, maybe. And then, yeah, they, they, they, what I want them to do is trust me. If there's something that they tell me, and if we're out for dinner or we're not at golf course and they tell me then it won't go on television and also I always say to them like before they go out is anything you want me to plug because I'm there to sell them so it's oh yeah um I've got a new clothes sponsor or I've got I've got a new coach or so like grandma's watching it's just those type of things that then

when they watch it back, they appreciate it. And also just calling shots, you got to call them. You can't, you got to say how it is and if it's a bad show, it's a bad show. But you've got to set the shot up. What are they trying to do? And the more I'm around them by going to these events, the more that I know their games.

Like, you know, the Lydia Co-shop that we've talked about before at the AIG Women's Open, 75 yards. It's the one. You know, it's like, well, this is going in. Yeah. Yeah. You called it early. You actually called it earlier in the week too. You walked with, I can't remember if it was the second round first round or second round I said hey how was your group today it was good oh man and Lydia if she just makes a putt it is her week and I was like really I don't see I'm not seeing that she hasn't really been you know hitting the ball very well this summer you know she's coming off of course the Olympics but she just kind of seems a little off so far this week

and you called it dead on even going into Sunday. You knew it. Well, I don't know, maybe not into Sunday. I think I got lucky with that. But just, you know, being around them. Like, they don't get the coverage that, I don't think they get the coverage they deserve, so I would like to do everything possible

to shine the light on their capabilities. And what's been great is a lot of them, if you just drop them Instagram messages and they'll reply and the coaches are all very good. And that nobody, nobody doesn't have time for you because they appreciate that you are trying to, to show them in their best light. So I have to give the players a lot of credit. They're very good as well. Yeah, I completely agree with that. Well, Sophie, thank you so much for joining us today

for people that are interested. It's morning golf if you wanna check out the Evian Championship. It starts at 4 a.m. here on Golf Channel, goes all the way until 11 a.m. That'll be Thursday, Friday. Saturday coverage is going to be, this is crazy, 4 a.m. to 10 a.m. and Sunday as well,

4 a.m. to 10 a.m., both on Golf Channel. So tune in to the Avion Championship. We will be here and talk all about it on Sunday's recap show. And coming up next, I got an interview with the 2025 KPMG Women's PGA Championship, champion, excuse me, Minji Lee. Sophie, thank you as always. Thank you. That was the best round of the year by Minji Lee.

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Oh, pretty darn good. You know, I felt like maybe I wouldn't get to this position again for the couple of years I've been struggling. But honestly, pretty amazing. I feel really, really happy, really, really grateful that I can be in this position. And yeah, it's extra nice to have that massive trophy in my hands. A very long week. Of course, we're talking about this year, 2025 KPMG Women's PGA Championship at I would say a home game, but I don't know if it's really a home game. You know, North Dallas, everybody tries to loop everything in together, but a new venue for sure, a long hot week, and you

ended up with a three stroke victory to win your third major championship. When did it finally like sink in? I think this is the same thing I asked Maya too after she won the women's open. I was like, you know, obviously there's a high and media and everything afterwards and then you go home and settle in and like when does the moment finally hit you?

I think for me it was like two days after because like the day after you're still kind of like on that high you're like oh my god okay I won but then the day after I was like I really deserve this one like I know I deserve it but you know like you really think like what I did good um you kind of reflect back and um I was like, this one I really, really deserved just with all the things that I went through and just, it was just a hard week, you know, the wind, it was hot, the course was tough,

just everything, it just felt like a grind of a week. Yeah, and I mean, you're talking about the struggle. I think what jumps out to most of people is probably the change that you made this year with the putter. Is that something that, you know, you really think back on and is like that change is probably what got you to this point now? Yeah, 100%. Definitely the putting was the biggest thing I struggled with those, you know, past year and a

half. The broomstick just give me, just has given me a lot of freedom, just with not having that much control. I think I just kind of had to let go of, you know, the idea of a conventional grip, you know, cross-handed grip. Like I've, you know, pretty much won with a lot of different groups over my time on tour. So I kind of took it as another adventure, just a different adventure. So I could put a positive spin on it, you know? Yeah. And was it like kind of taboo thinking about it? Um, not taboo, but it was just like, oh, like I was like, it's a broomstick. Right. And now I've won with a broomstick and beginning of the year, I was like, oh, I don't even know

if I'll actually use it. So it's just such a, just, you know, you just kind of think about it and you're like, wow, like it feels like it's not been that long, but it has been what six, seven months now of using it. So thinking about it is strange. Like right now. No, I think the one thing about it is that you obviously have a lot of freedom now in your putting stroke. It's something that you're very confident in with your previous, you know, we talk about going through the struggles of putting Was it more like speed was it, you know aim keeping it online Combination of everything kind of what is the long putter give you that you weren't you didn't have before I think just the

The accuracy for the shorter putters shorter putts. Sorry not putters shorter putts probably say inside six feet there's a lot of just a bit more calmness, I think, for me anyway. I just literally line up the ball where I want it to hit on my path and then I just try and hit on that pretty much with a straight back, straightforward putting stroke. And having a broomstick, especially the Callaway square to square, it promotes that so much that it's really easy to try and replicate each time. So I think that's really just the biggest difference, just my short putting. Yeah, I completely agree with the square to square and being able to get the ball starting

on the line. Online, yeah. Once you see it like, oh wow, this is incredible here. Outstanding online. That's not easy to do on a major championship golf course like Fields Ranch East that does have a lot of break. Their major championship imposition's a lot different than week on, week out on the LPGA Tour.

So I guess, new gives you confidence, but this is something that you've been building on this year. You know, it's not just like you came out of nowhere at the end of June, you've had a really good season. Mm-hmm, I feel like week in, week out, every week, I get a little more comfortable, especially those first few weeks. I had a couple of good finishes and I think at TOC, I had like 800

or something on the last round. So that really just kind of gave me a little more validation to like to use the putter and obviously, you know, the realization that I could play well with it and putt well with it. So I think after that week, I just kind of accepted the fact that this is probably what I was gonna use going forward. So every week I've just been trying to get that 1% better and just gain the trust and the confidence to play under pressure with it really. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, you mentioned starting out the year at Hilton, but really I think of back to like Blue Bay and I remember talking about Blue Bay. I'm like, well, you know, Minji didn't lose Blue Bay by any means. Like Rio went and won it out of nowhere. It was crazy, but I remember that week being like, man, you putted so good.

And it was still very much like, you hadn't really talked much about it yet. And I was like, this is going to be a game changer. Yeah, it was pretty new still then. So I didn't really have too much to say about it because like really I only, like my coach and I, we were like, we only really know the basics, just the fundamentals of what

the putter should do. By no means we're experts. So we were just kind of mucking around a little bit with like the grip and just like what kind of weight that I was comfortable with and just the different types of heads that work with the broomstick and ended up with the number seven and the weight that I'm on now, but just we, it was really new to us too. So I didn't really have any comments on it until, you know, I still don't have any comments on it, but I just, um, you know, I know the fundamentals now. Like I know what kind of stroke I need to put on it to have a pure role and to hit my targets. So, I mean, I keep it really simple.

And I think that's exactly the way putting should be. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, people that aren't looking for endorsements out there, you know, everybody wants to improve their own game. But the fact that already this year we have you and then really you leave me who's in this kind of a similar boat that you are in that found and went to the Long Putter and have had incredible success with it.

It's really cool how technology now is just kind of created a different aspect of putting and freed people up. You talked about the struggles and I'll say, for you probably, but from an outsider's perspective, like you were always there, I'm sure it was very frustrating to go through the lows that you did. But you know, put yourself in tons of, you know, in good spots last year. And then, do you, are you like a goals oriented person? Did you start out the season kind of with a different perspective, different

outlook on it? I had a bit of a perspective change, but not like only because I was sitting down with my coach and I was like, we probably only have like three or four, four years or three, four or five, I'd say full years, that I'll be on tour. So let's really give it a hundred percent and see where this year and these next few years could take me.

So I just kind of accepted the fact that I'm not gonna be on tour forever. I'm not getting any younger. So I was like, let's just, you know, really be intentional with the things that I'm doing. And so that's pretty much, I mean, I'm always intentional about everything, but just a little bit more. And that's pretty much what I have been doing since the beginning of the year. So what made you get there? I mean, very young, still you have, you can play golf as long as you can. What was this divine moment that

made you realize like, wait a second, it wasn't divine, I guess. But I think it was just like, I think it was just like, I want to perform at my peak and I want to be in like physically in really peak condition to, you know, to play in these majors. The younger generation is, you know, so much fit, like is really fit, you know, they're fierce, they're aggressive and they have no fear, they just come out winning. So I just was like, I just want to be in the best shape that I could be in terms of golf, in terms of physically, just mentally. I just want to be sound playing these majors and that's probably going to be for the next three or four years. So that's pretty much what I was thinking when I was thinking I have three or four years, not that

I'm like, you know, fading, but just, yeah, I just was like, the tour is only getting younger and I just want to be the best that I could be in those those years. And it's pretty much doing everything that I can to be, I guess. Yeah, it's incredible. And I know that your, you know, your team, your greater team, not just you, not just your caddy, there's a lot of other people from, you know, trainers, coaches, that go into this. Was that a shift that they were welcoming from, coming from you or is that something

that they kind of helped push you on? I didn't, I mean obviously I didn't really like, I wasn't like, oh my God I'm so old, like I can't function anymore, like fix me. But I think they all kind of know, like I've been on tour since I was 18 and this is my 11th year on tour. So it's, it is very different. My body is different to when I was 18 years old and I don't recover near as quick as I used to.

So I do have an osteo who comes to every tournament and he works with me in the gym and, you know, to keep my body right. So that I've had since last year, last few years. So you evolve as a player and as you evolve, your team evolves as well. So I think we all grow together. And if that is the way I feel, I would hope my team is going to be there to help me every step of the way. And I've had the same team since I was 13, 14 years old. So maybe one or two people have come on board that are a little bit newer. But I've had the same coach, you know, same strength and conditioning physios all at home that have known me since I was a kid. So they know exactly what I'm feeling

and they know exactly what to say to. God, that's good. It's a really good spot to find yourself in. You know, I've become quite friendly with the Aussie Ostios and I think it's truly incredible from, you know, really all of them, but really for me, Aaron, uh, Zoot and Jack and, and the amount of care and dedication that they give truly to their clients. Cause I've just been sitting around talking to them at tournaments,

mucking it up. And they're like, you know, I have to, I have to leave right now. My number one priority is still to get our players into the best position that they possibly can to compete week in week out. And I think it's so cool and I think it's awesome that they're able to travel the world and support themselves and do the best that they can. You know, really so early in life, but also on the flip side of it for players like you, that it is familiarity everywhere you go. And it's the same thing is, you know, familiarity everywhere you go. And it's the same thing and people that know you and understand you. I also think Loki, the Aussies on tour, probably the coolest bunch to hang out

and chat with. So that makes it a little bit better. Definitely coffee and food recommendations. The number one spot to go to. Yeah. Coffee snob. Like, oh, Aaron, I work with work with Aaron and he's very dedicated to his job and he definitely, he's way more competitive than me. So I feel like that's a great thing about him that I love. But it's just so easy to get along with them and especially, it's just a little bit of home, and especially just a little bit of home, you know? And I love that, that they're Australian and can hear another Aussie accent, like always with me.

So, no, it's just really great that I can, you know, do this journey with them, with Aaron and Ocio. Yeah, we got, you know, a lot of season left this year, but really we got, you know, two more majors on the calendar. Evian, of course, where you have had lots of success that you won in 2021. And then the Open Championship at a new course. I don't know, have you ever been to Wales?

I've never, I've never been to Wales, but I saw it a little bit on TV when the seniors were there and it was like blowing so much. and I was like, oh shit. Exactly. That's what I was joking. I had a call with one of our partners a little bit ago and we're like going over the whales plan and I'm like, I honestly, I'm like, I don't really know what to pack. So if you can send me like, you know, the entire catalog of options. I'm sure it's going to be

very windy. It looks like it's going to rain quite a bit. And I'm sure, you know, I don't think it's just going to be, you know, beautiful sunny weather out there, but very excited for fourth call. Is that something, you know, as you look at new venues and stuff, do you put a ton of time and research and trying to understand new places or do you just kind of take it as it comes? Not as much I think as I used to. I used to maybe just like look it up, look up the golf course but I trust that my caddy walks the course and knows where exactly where for me to hit it and to be in the best places. So I don't, not as much, but you know, if it's like coming out on TV or like, you know, I get a catch a glimpse of it,

then yeah, tune in for a little bit, but not overly. Is that comforting knowing that, you know, obviously you're caddy, you've been with him for a very long time. He's gonna be prepared no matter where you guys are at. But I think it makes it so you can just hit the shot that's in front of you. Yeah, I mean, been with Mikey since the beginning of the year, but he's been on tour for so for a very long time and he knows exactly what he's doing.

And yeah, it's just it's just comforting to know that he's working hard for me and for us to be the best that we can be. So I think it's just comfort level really. You just rock up and do the best thing that you can do is hit the golf shot the best way you can. Are you someone that, is there pressure? Do you put pressure on yourself? Oh yeah, 100%.

I mean, I think all golfers do. We're such perfectionists that if you don't then- It's a maddening game to do it though. Oh yeah, I know, but I think you just do it subconsciously. You're just like, I gotta do this so well. But then you kind of catch yourself and you just like, I got to do this so well. But then you like kind of catch yourself and you're like, you're not a robot. You're still, you're just human. You can hit a bad shot now and again. It's, but yeah, I mean, we always are thriving to hit the best shots,

right? So, or the, or a hundred percent the way you want it. And not many times it does go like that. So yeah, I definitely think I put pressure on myself. I have expectations. Is it something that, you know, you talked about being on tour since you're 18 years old. Is it something that gets easier over time? Yeah. Yeah. I definitely think it gets easier over time.

I feel like when I was 18, 19, 20, I put way, way more pressure on myself to perform. And obviously it's like a little bit harder because you're trying to keep your card. You're just trying to survive out there, play a whole bunch of tournaments. But now I can be selecting where I want to peak and do my schedule so I'm not worn out too much or burnt out.

So I do think it gets easier over time because you understand yourself a bit better and you're just mature. Like it's just about maturity and just knowing that you're gonna be okay even if you stuff up one shot. Yeah. Is, you know, there's a lot of changes all the time in professional golf, but really,

on the LPGA tour, a big change coming up. You guys have a new commissioner. By the time this comes out, it'll come out right before Evian, but he, you know, Craig hasn't taken the seat yet. Is there anything from, you know, you've been doing this for a long time, over 10 years, you've traveled the world,

you've played in multiple different tours, one on every tour. Is there anything that you look at and you go, you know what, these would be easier changes that would make it more, you know, more enjoyable, a little bit better for the players? I definitely think scheduling. I know the tournaments like the events on certain dates

for a few of them, but I just feel like we do travel from say Las Vegas to New York, or you know, like it just kind of bounces everywhere. And it would be nice to have a bit more of a solid like West coast swing or an East coast swing. So we don't have to like travel by air to like as much. Obviously easier said than done, I think. But I think it would be, you know, it's if like we could get it a little bit better.

I think all the girls would love it. Absolutely. I completely agree. The schedule is a good place to start. What I thought you were gonna say is like, yeah, we should, you know, we should start an Australian summer that should kick off the year and then we go from there. Get yourself some more time at home. Usually I skip the TOC and then I just start in Australia and Asia. But this year I played TOC and I actually really enjoyed the tournament. So I can't really say anything about that now.

But yes, I mean, that is my ideal start to the season. But sometimes you can't control everything. That's right. All right. All right. So you're traveling all over the place. You're playing tons of competitive golf. Are you going out?

Are you playing enjoyable golf at any point in time? Yeah, now and again. I don't really play that much when I'm home because I like having some downtime. But definitely when I'm in Australia, I go out and play different courses because a lot more of the younger professionals that my coach coaches, like they're home same time as me. And I really enjoy it, play money games.

Yeah, absolutely. What's your favorite course in the world? Favorite? I don't have a one favorite. You have multiple favorites. One place that if you say, hey, next week you're gonna be anywhere you want, where does that put you?

Anywhere I want. It sounds like it puts you in a tough spot. You don't wanna say where it's at. Yeah. I mean, I really like Commonwealth Golf Club in Melbourne. I always like going there before and after the changes. I like playing in Korea. Korea's fun, you know, not because of the golf.

I mean, yes, because of the golf course as well as the hospitality, you know, the food and all the stuff that you can do, but maybe somewhere in like. Apple Beach area. Yeah, I haven't I haven't I haven't got to play like, you know, Spyglass and Monterey is it Monterey?

Yeah, Monterey, yeah, I haven't got to see see those courses yet. So you played Cyprus? No, just Pebble. Just Pebble. When I played US Open. Yeah. Yeah, I need to do a trip eventually, but during the season it's too hard.

Yeah. I know, it blows my mind the amount that you guys travel. It's truly, I'm always like, wait a second, how are they doing laundry? How are they learning these courses? And then, you know, you talk to people and they're like, well a second, how are they doing laundry? How are they learning these courses? And then, you know, you talk to people and they're like, well, you do the same thing year over year, you just figure out what your routine is.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like no one really truly understands how much we travel or like how many commercial flights were going on because it's like so different to the boys. You're not taking private jets. No, we definitely are not doing that, but it's all part of it. It's kind of fun as well. Get to travel with the girls.

Which is why, before we fired this up, we were talking about it. You said that you wanted to dabble sometime a little bit in content creation. I think people would be very fascinated to know, not necessarily the ins and outs, but what life on tour is like from a player's perspective. So I encourage you to continue to explore that.

But again, congratulations. It's incredible, third major championship in G and really good luck the rest of the season. We'll be pulling for you. And we're going to figure out what Wales is like together, I guess. Oh yeah. Thank you for having me. Yeah.