No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1038: Scottish Open Recap + Wild Playoff at the Evian

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Soly, Randy and TC recap the action from the Renaissance Club where Chris Gotterup won to earn his spot in next week’s Open Championship.   Then it’s on to the Evian where Grace Kim became a ma...jor champion thanks to a bonkers two hole playoff with Kim’s eagle on the second hole to defeat Jeeno Thitikul. We also debut a new "Get Your Money Right" segment, talk ISCO, LIV Spain and LIV's OWGR application, TC's trip to Cabot, and a quick Open Championship week content preview. Get Your Money Right is presented by SoFi. Find out more at SoFi.com/NLU Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠⁠⁠ Support our sponsors: Titleist Omni Hotels & Resorts DeleteMe SoFi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the NoLang up podcast. Soly here, 3 08 PM Eastern hitting the record button. It is officially Lynx SCN. It is Europe's SCN. We're going to be recording a lot of podcasts this week with the sun still shining. And I love that. You know who else loves that? My neighbor and my friend, Mr. Tron Carter. Hello Tron.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Hey, Sali. I'm just dodging some thunder over here, man. We got these pop-up, pop-up showers. I think it's hitting right in between our two houses. At least that's what it sounds like just outside these windows. Big Randy calling in from the Mountain Time Zone. Hello, Mr. Big. Hey guys, happy to be here. Yeah, some early golf starting this week. You know, I had to get up early, but all good. Excited to talk about it. It's time zone season though, too, man. I was struggling to figure out when people are going to be teeing off and all of that. We got to fight that as well. We're going to talk some Genesis,
Starting point is 00:01:19 some support performances of note, of course, heading into a major week. News and notes around the PJs tour. Stefan Schauffli came alive, gave us some great quotes. We can talk about some of that. Obviously a wild playoff at the Evian, a little bit on Live Spain. They got an application out there for world ranking points. Again, first winners from around the world, Chris Goddarep wins the Scottish Open. As we are recording,. As William Mao, the chairman, leads the ISCO as we are just getting started really out there. Grace Kim wins the Evian in a playoff. Taylor Guch wins Livs Spain as does Legion 13,
Starting point is 00:01:56 not to be confused with Legion 23. Ross Steelman is leading the Ascendant, presented by Blue as we speak, foregoing into all those things. We've teased it long enough. The Titleist new T-Series irons, officially here, now available for fittings and custom orders. Stop sending me DMs asking me what to do.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Go get fit, people. I'm telling you, I was totally fine and happy in my T150s and I got fit into something quite different. We can talk a little bit about that here shortly, but there's no replacement for a good fitting. The new T-Series lineup is all about higher launch with better spin and carry distance consistency, helping players hit their number more often and stop it there. There's five new models, the new T100, T150, T250. T250 launch spec, which is a high launch variation of the T250.
Starting point is 00:02:40 It goes so high. It's wild. I hit one in the fitting and the T 350. And of course there's the knee, the new T 250 U and U 505 utility irons, quick stasimator titles, the most played iron on the PJ tour for 11 years and counting the T 250 was the most played utility at both PJ tour events this week, 29 in play at the Scottish 27 and play at the ESCO on approximately 80% of titles, PGA Tour pros play a mixed set of more than one iron model.
Starting point is 00:03:08 That was a huge point of emphasis for the R&D team, designing a lineup that you can blend seamlessly throughout your bag to unlock optimal performance. You guys ended up in blended sets, TC, Randy? Yeah, I went from two, I was in the 150s into a couple of two hundreds. Now I'm in the two 50 from four iron through seven iron and just have one 50 and eight iron and nine iron and then my, my Vokey pitching wedge. So that's a mile. So yeah, the two fifties,
Starting point is 00:03:39 the top line looks awesome. They go higher. Like the reason I wasn't in the two hundreds before in my six and seven iron is I couldn't get enough spin. They go higher. Like the reason I wasn't in the 200s before in my six and seven iron is I couldn't get enough spin. They were just jumping off the face. Now they're launching higher with also spinning. So they're perfect. Yeah, like I need that. That like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:56 They just, they blend so well between the sole and stuff they can do with the weight now. I'm in a little bit stiffer shaft now. An X 100 guy, a little bit'm in a little bit stiffer shaft now, an X100, a little bit lighter, a little bit stiffer. Randy, what are you in? Well, I was in T100s from five iron through pitching wedge. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:04:19 And then I had a T200 four iron. And so now I'm in a T-250 four iron and then 150s from five iron to pitching wedge. So I agree with TC, like the top line. I just love, it's gotta be clean, you know, minimal, no offset. I just like looking down at that top line. I'm excited to try them out.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Mine literally just got here a couple days ago and I get to try them for the first time out on the course next week. So I'm giddy to see how they bring in new sticks form in action. The California on a couple heater courses. Yeah, exactly. I just I all I got to do is take the plastic off mine as well. And I'm taking them out Tuesday. I put down the rare I put golf encounters. I can't sit on these things any longer. I got to go play. I'm in T150, but with a T250
Starting point is 00:05:09 four iron and I got the two iron and the T250 as well, which is just going to be completely, completely nuclear. I think I hit one 274 with a three iron version in the fitting with some roll, of course, but it's hot, man. It comes off very hot. Tytless.com to find a new T-Series fitting near you and get out and we spent some time on this and we're going to continue to spend some time on this one because this is a big one. This is a really, really important launch
Starting point is 00:05:31 and I cannot wait to maybe want to go play some golf, which is the nicest thing I could possibly say about these golf clubs. So. So are we leading off with the Isco? I know you're fighting for that TC, but I'm going to go ahead. Live for you. It's Chris Goderepp,, SCN Rory McElroy and Chris Gottrop
Starting point is 00:05:48 entered the final round tied at 11 under par. I think Rory was like around plus 120 Gottrop was over plus 400 to start the day. So heavy, heavy favorite would have been the grand slam champion. Gottrop went out in 33 though, birdied 10 and 12 and opened up a two shot lead. Then he was put on the clock on the 15th hole. Just him. I honestly didn't know this was possible. I've confirmed that this is this is they were playing under a blended pace of play policy. This week on the DP World Tour, which again, caught me by surprise. On the
Starting point is 00:06:23 DP World Tour, if you are put on the clock, you are given one time extension. That isn't, weirdly, I would have thought that's a PGA tour rule, but it's not. It's DP world tour. They give you one opportunity to signal to an official like, like you're signaling to an ump, like time please, I'm stepping out here. You get one 30 second extension. But yeah, I guess you can do this on the PGA tours while they don't do it enough or they don't do it very often of only putting one player in a group on the clock. I celebrate this completely. Like this is for sure. Has got her up. I love him to death. He is slow. Yes. And like he was being slow and it was, you could see the difference too that was made and like, I guess my, not to do a whole pace of play thing, but he ends up bogey in the 15th hole
Starting point is 00:07:06 as soon as he's put on the clock and then they catch up on 16. And you know, he doesn't either waiting a little bit for that green to clear and he doesn't is no longer on the clock and then golf his golf kind of resumes that he wasn't necessarily slow from there on out. But like, you can see him exhale and he birdie 16 and he goes on to win the tournament by two a statement when he had won at Myrtle beach last year. Not a lot of eyeballs on that. It'd be in that opposite field event. Um, but a, uh, TC, a guy you're going to claim, of course,
Starting point is 00:07:33 uh, one of your guys, one of you guys you've, you've, uh, you've written for, for, for years and years and years. Uh, so I'll let you my voluntary interns can, can go back. Definitely not years and years and years, but I think I've staked out some ground here. I can tell a few weeks ago, TC was, was saying internally, hey, we, we should give Goddard up a shout out for how he was playing in the, I think that was the us open right TC, not the PGA. Now I don't think we got to it that night, which I jokingly told TC, you know, like, sorry, man, we couldn't get to the Goddard up section, but here is the thing, I think't think we got to it that night, which I jokingly told TC, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:06 like, sorry, man, we couldn't get to the goddurup section, but here he is. He's won and I enjoyed watching him. He looked good. It was a fun tournament out there at the Renaissance. Salih's called him, you know, like a AAA catcher, or like just kind of a gritty catcher, like kind of looks like Cal Raleigh. It looks a little bit like Brooks Koepka. He looks like he should just be like three inches taller and bigger than he is. Right. He just seems like, I don't know, he's just such a, I couldn't get that a weird minor league baseball player. Christopher Powers. It looks like Chris Powers from Golf Digest. Big time. Yeah. That was definitely deflated by head. That's where I was like, I'm trying to come up with a comp for him just to both
Starting point is 00:08:50 his playing style and like his appearance and everything. And I'm kind of struggling with it. I think it is, Goddard was one of the names, you know, we hear about coming out of college, coming out of Oklahoma. And I don't know if we just, I don't want to call them post-hype sleepers, but I think we've just been on kind of a run of a lot of these college guys coming out with some pretty big expectations, ready for them to take over the show us a little flash of something I think to like, Will Gordon, I think to like, you know, obviously still a young guy has a long ways to
Starting point is 00:09:19 go Michael Thorbjornsson of kind of like, all right, are we doing this or not? Are we doing this or not? And got her up had just kind of slid a little bit in my purview, I guess of kind of like, all right, are we doing this or not? Are we doing this or not? And Gotterup had just kind of slid a little bit in my purview, I guess, of guys on my radar of are we doing this or not? And the answer is yes, we're doing this. He's been on a great run over the course of this summer, has been essentially like the 32nd best player in the world
Starting point is 00:09:39 strokes game wise since March 30th. Like that's not a slight at all. That's really, really, really, really, really good golf. So do you want to do that now? We can do that now. Cause I think this is like, I think it'd be a good fit for some of that interesting fit. I think it, um, we got a ton of questions about that. And the, the, the best, the best one was a bit, uh, Ed Mack 2020 said, got her up, has a blank percent chance for Beth page.
Starting point is 00:10:06 I'll ask you guys that first. What do you think the chances are he makes the team and Beth pages are staying here now? Probably 20%. Yeah. But I was going to say maybe less than that 10%. But you never know. The next couple of weeks will be, will be big locks there. You know, I was going to say 10, about 10% chance, I think it would be. And again, just kind of looking at
Starting point is 00:10:29 his profile, he's an elite, elite driver of the golf ball. He almost stands alone. It's funny to see that leaderboard of... Since again, that March 30th number that I was pulling, Marco Pinge and Rory McRoy are all top six in the world in strokes gained off the tee over the last three and a half months or whatever that is. He has been that good at driving the ball. The rest of his game is kind of, he's not really gaining on the field much in any other category. The iron play has been a lot better over the last several weeks, but if the US went like Bombers delight, we are just going to bludgeon you with 12 guys that hit it really, really far, which I don't think is the We are just going to bludgeon you with 12 guys that hit
Starting point is 00:11:05 it really, really far, which I don't think is the strategy. They're going to shitload of greens too. Yeah. I think that's the other underrated element. Like he may not be just the word is he's not great with his wedges, but he hits a ton of greens, which kind of reminds me of like Brooks at Bethpage, right? Or like, Hey, if you got a bunch of long irons and you're just going to hit greens and two pot, like, you know, but also capable of making a shitload of birdies and bunches. Well, I mean, it's all to say like, he's obviously going to have to play ridiculous golf to close out this season on a lot of different style of golf courses. And I don't, I, this is one
Starting point is 00:11:40 of those random golf courses too, that I just don't know how to, you know, you don't see anything else like Renaissance the rest of the way. Even Royal Port Rush is not like Renaissance really at all. So it's really hard to project what's going to happen. But I don't think we have to do that. I think it's like, dude, the guy just stared down Rory McIlroy who has won this championship before everyone, myself included, thought Rory was going to kind of coast to this thing today and got her up, hit the shots that were needed man. And I enjoyed watching this, this Scottish open more than I have some of the more recent ones, I think.
Starting point is 00:12:09 It's just funny. You know, yeah, sorry, just on got her up real quick in the writer cup fit. Uh, shout out to the PGA tour. They're, they're compare players with the, the strokes game. You can overlap them. It is interesting. You know, I plugged in Novak and Mav McNeely and Harris English. It's it's interesting how Goddard's game is like completely different
Starting point is 00:12:32 than Novak, for instance, where Novak really good around the greens, much stronger putter, but not nearly as good off the tee. They're both not great approach shot. Yeah, you can kind of get in there and hone around. I'm curious, so TC and Solly, like what, I feel like, yeah, I feel like he could be a good fit for the team, just given the venue and, you know, throw them out there in a, I just worry. It would seem like too much pressure in the alt shot.
Starting point is 00:13:03 But like, maybe you hide him from that. And he's from New Jersey. He seems pretty fearless. Like that seems to be his calling card. Like he's going to miss some cuts. He's kind of like high variance player, it seems like, but like it doesn't seem like he's going to be scared of the moment.
Starting point is 00:13:19 I think I might have the comp and it might be a little bit. Who is it? JB Holmes. I should have seen that coming. Right. Like just bludgeon's driver. The rest of the game, somewhat uninspired, but JB Holmes played in two, right on two writer cup teams, uh, both of them than one at home 2008 and 2016. And you know, you were saying you might be hiding from all shot. I was thinking that his only fit would be to play all shot. And just try this.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Well, I think that would be his only fit. Yeah. I would just be a little leery of like, Hey, we're throwing this rookie. That's like, you know, kind of riding a heater into a really pressure situation, which would be fun though. As a viewer, like that's, I would like a little bit more of that.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Yeah, exactly. I would like a little bit more of that. I also exactly. I would like a little bit more of that. I also just don't think the US team is in that much peril at this. I think this was a convo maybe four months ago. We could have had of like who is going to be the even the ninth guy on. We're going to go through this cycle four more times. I know. Yeah, I think it's, you know, again, he's got to play a lot of a lot of great golf, which is not to say that it's not possible, but anything um, anything to take from, you know, Rory, Mark Roy back in contention.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Obviously it's been a little up and down for him since, uh, since Augusta looked like he kind of had it right. Said his game is, you know, about almost back to the point where it was at the masters, uh, not being able to get this one done. Any takeaways from that? The putter looked a little squirrely in spots, like some short ones that looked like they were trying to, trying to miss and kind of, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:51 caught the edge of the hole, you know, both him and Scotty both looked a little flustered by some of the, you know, more linksy greens over there. I don't know. I mean, no, I don't think there's too much to glean from it. I think his game seems to be back for the most part, though. I like, you know, he seems like he's back on track for Port Rush. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:11 I think finishing second, Spuz, the best spot you could winning would be a different kind of expectation laid upon you going back into Northern Ireland. I just I watched the 2019 Open Championship kind of open film getting ready for this coming week. That was an extremely emotionally draining week. I think he's got to be... That's on his radar for how much this is going to mean to him, how much it hurt last time to have missed the cut and how much that second round really meant to him for that. I think he knows this is a really big week and I think doubling down a win going into it would have been, would have been a tough
Starting point is 00:15:48 combination, honestly. Not to say he threw away intentionally today, but I think to hope for a great outcome for Rory this coming week, I think this was not the worst result in the world. I agree with that. I think getting to play in a final, you know, in a final group, really nice showing solid, he's got to feel good about his game. I feel like it's full steam ahead for Port Rush. We'll be excited to see how he handles what will be I mean, that's, it's gonna be a lot of pressure on him just because of the venue and, and how he performed last time. So I know I'm getting ahead of myself looking to next
Starting point is 00:16:20 week, but it can't wait to see how he reacts. Reviews on the haircut. Uh, I mean, I'm not one to talk. Like I was going to say, like, I don't do anything with my hair. So like, I, it was fine, right? Maybe a little shorter than my guy. Solid. What do you, what do I, you, you're the haircut.
Starting point is 00:16:38 I don't, I think you regretted that one. I, you mentioned it, uh, as well. It was not his, I don't think it's his strongest look, but it grows back as he said. It kind of looked like, uh, like, you know, Kendall Roy. Yeah. Jeremy Strong, a lot of Jeremy Strong cops out there. Uh, but, uh, yeah, I'm sure he's like, God, now if I went in the open and all the pictures there, being a port rush are going to be. He'll have a week, you know, they say the only thing separating a bad haircut from a good haircut is about a week to 10 days. So I think my guy is going to be fine.
Starting point is 00:17:08 All right. I think that's probably a fair conclusion, but TC Marco Pinch, you're tickled. You're enamored with this guy here. What's the word here? Yeah, I don't know. Just the whole package. He's a proper player, man. What does that mean? I don't know what just the whole package. He's a proper player, man. He's a... What does that mean?
Starting point is 00:17:25 I don't know what you mean by that anymore. He passes the eye test. He's got power out the ass. That's for sure. But he's more polished than I thought he was gonna be. He was good around the greens. He's like, I don't know. I'm picking up what I'm seeing.
Starting point is 00:17:41 His game seems to suit the US, I think, more we see of him, he's on, he's been on kind of a heater here. Uh, he, she dresses sharp. He just looks like he's got his shit together. Sorry. That's, that's the best I can, I can describe it. We're going to need to clean the putting up a little bit. He had a good putting week this week, uh, Genesis, but that seems to be what holds him back, uh, from, from really top results. He won in April on the DP world tour over on that tour. Um, and his own, a nice run of top, uh, top 25s and finishes, uh, this week in time with a tie for second, uh, with Rory shooting 13 under par 65, 67, 69, 66.
Starting point is 00:18:19 He was known for at the end of last year, he was suspended three months, uh, by the DP world tour for violating the end of last year, he was suspended three months by the DP World Tour for violating the player integrity program. That's what I was referring to in Slack about him or with our group chat. I remember from the week that he won on the DP World Tour, we were talking about that. I could tell you were picking up on my joke about him being on a couple of radars out there, but yeah, he had placed some bets on golf tournaments. He was not participating in, like, it sounds like kind of somewhat honest mistakes. Some of
Starting point is 00:18:51 the bets were even placed before he had like been trained up on, you know, what, whether it was allowed to do or what, you know, ignorance is not an excuse. Yeah, that's, that's his name on it. He was fine. I would love to know. I mean, Sally, you know, we got paying, we got Rory, we got Nikolai Hoygard, we got signs of life from fits, a team of Rose shots 63 today, Ryder, cup lock, sep, Straka, uh, with it, with a solo seventh, Ludwig finished T eight, uh, after a really, really bizarre third round where you're just on cruise control and then decided to make a triple on light himself on fire for two or three holes.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Victor T11, you know, all sorts of Christopher Rutan, T13, all sorts of proper players. For the listener's sake, he's only naming the Europeans. There were some Americans mixed in there that he's not naming just to help you think about it. No, I'm just saying, yeah, things are going well right now. We got some good, but you know, we got some American guys playing well as well. We'll see what happens.
Starting point is 00:19:58 We're gonna roll the balls out next week along with some of the live guys and we're gonna see what happens in Port Rush. I think this is a, go ahead, Rainey. Oh, sorry. I was just going to say, what do you make a Scheffler's putting? Like, how do you... he was flummoxed. I was actually loving some of his reactions. The one where you're like... Whoa!
Starting point is 00:20:18 Some of... I mean, again, just like the highest floor, right? But I do wonder, like, he doesn't instill confidence that he's gonna make enough putts. I don't know what to make of his week heading into Port Rush. I mean, you guys have played Port Rush. Like, do you feel like, I don't know, like, we'll talk about some of it this week on our preview podcast. But do you think are the greens crazy or the greens flat? Like, what's the there's some interesting crowns like it's they're kind of small
Starting point is 00:20:50 in spots like they're not massive. They're not like it's not like a big lag putting contest it is it should be a decent fit for Scotty in terms of you got to hit proper iron shots. And there's a couple of holes that have like good banks that will help you guide the ball back onto the green. It's not everything is repelling on those. And like I, again, rewatching that was just like Shane Lowry's approach play was just like,
Starting point is 00:21:15 his iron play was just ridiculous. Like it was an iron play contest, not of course you can just overpower necessarily. It's just going to be about the ball striking. So he doesn't have the greatest open championship record, but it's also where I get frustrated with Scotty is like some of the stuff that is obvious. Like this is the question. Like going into links golf, you should not expect perfect greens. Like you should not expect the ball to do.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Especially when it's kind of burned out and dry. Like it has been. The reports I was getting from players were like, yeah, the greens, like they roll better than they look like just in general. But like you're also comparing that to what you play on week to week on the PGA tour, which is like some of the best putting services anyone ever gets to play on. So like, yeah, when you play the US Open at Pinehurst, like you're going to get some crappy lies in the shit. Like, and then the balls are going to roll off the greens.
Starting point is 00:22:04 When you play Lynx golf, you're going to play not the most pure greens you've ever put it on. That's part of the challenge here. Like you can overcome this stuff. And it does seem like he can eliminate himself mentally. Does some of this come back to like Scotty just having grown up on bent in Dallas, he knows how to play off Bermuda. It's like Bermuda fairways and bent greens kind of thing. And he just thinks that everything should be no green fair, you know, either overseated or bent greens. Could be just Royal Oaks. Is that where he grew up playing? That's bent greens there. I don't know. I'm just saying like, basically when I was growing up in Atlanta, I know Dallas
Starting point is 00:22:45 is similar. I know Charlotte is similar. Nashville like kind of in that convergence zone where everything up until 2005, like Atlanta athletic club switched over from Ben to Bermuda. And then everybody switched within like three or four years because champion Bermuda came out and it's kind of the same thing. Like, they put Bent back in at Colonial, right? And that was, it's like a calling card of like the prestigious clubs in Dallas or Peachtree's still bent in Atlanta of like,
Starting point is 00:23:16 hey, we're a proper club. We have Bent Greens, even if we spend, God knows how much money hand watering it and electricity for the fans and all of that stuff. He's won plenty on Bermuda greens, but it is a lot of like- But I'm just thinking more like Fescue, because that's Fescue there, you know?
Starting point is 00:23:37 And like I struggle sometimes on pretty dry Fescue things. He does seem to, well, his wins do seem to come at like pristine, like say what you want about Quail, but those greens were nice, right? Obviously Augusta. Greens are nice of Valhalla or, you know, like play or Valhalla, but like, you know, yeah, like obviously Augusta. Yeah. I mean, just sawgrass. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. I, or maybe it's like, Hey, he didn't't put well this week and he's due for a good week next week. I don't know which direction it'll go. But the ball striking center. Yeah, the ball striking. It's like he's going to top 10. It feels like that's yeah. Port Rush over other links or I guess
Starting point is 00:24:19 other open rotas. I feel just a little stronger for Scotty because it just feels like it's not, it is a, it's a, you know, Randy, is this fair to say like it's a pretty aerial course in terms of how links golf courses go? It felt that way. Yeah. I mean, it, yeah, it just didn't instill like the same as, I don't know, the old course or trying to anything of any other like open road of places I've been. But yeah, it wasn't like we were I wasn't as concerned playing it as like running it up and and finding avenues. And of course, Scottie and I play different styles of golf. But I do think that's right. So it just felt
Starting point is 00:25:01 more. There's more elevated greens like one. Yeah, maybe like the two elevated green, three, somewhat elevated green, four, a little elevated green protected by a dune. Like there's a lot of care. Like, yeah, carry it up there and kind of play your normal golf versus need to be especially creative, I guess. So we haven't mentioned him yet. Um, but like I think the biggest thing to glean from this week is Xander. He was number one strokes game approach. He came nine strokes and didn't do
Starting point is 00:25:33 anything else all that well. But like, it seems like he's back and more like he's defending his title next week. And if it's an aerial type of test, if it seems like that suits him, like this could be a perfect fit for him. He seems like he's back at the table with us now. Yeah, no, quietly to see you're right from the Valspar T12, T8 at the Masters, T18, T11, T28, T25, T12, T61 at Travelers, not good, but T-8 again this week.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Not quite Xander that we saw last year, but should be on your radar. No longer like, I've been kind of dismissing him at majors so far to this point. I don't think I'll be doing that this week. I'm not saying he's my pick to win, but it's also, yeah. I also struggle. I don't want to get too caught up with Renaissance
Starting point is 00:26:23 because it is a different golf course and I just don't know how well it projects for. I'd have to, I don't know. I don't think necessarily it's like, uh, you know, got, you see guys go over and dominate both the Scottish and the open wherever the open is coming up next. Uh, just cause Renaissance is kind of one of one of a kind, but I will say, I think Renaissance it continues to grow on me a little bit. It's not like when I stopped trying, when I got on my own way of like, Hey, they're not going to go play a proper links course, Peter Pan, like get that out of your head and just accepting it for what it is. I think they've made good changes to it over the last four or five years. I think the par threes,
Starting point is 00:27:02 I still don't love the par threes. I think they're relatively, you know, they just don't instill a lot of like color or passion within me, but, um, it tends to identify like, like it's a good leaderboard. It tends to identify the right stuff. I think. I enjoyed seeing it play this firm. Like just seeing it that color would have made a massive difference. Honestly, I still just like, it feels just, you're right. It's not a bad golf course is the thing. It's not extreme. It's just not it.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Like it's still, doesn't, I'll tell you what the main thing is still from ATC. I don't think the guys really think or fear the bunkers that much out there, right? Which is- I don really think or fear the bunkers that much out there, right? Which is- They have to think that much out there. Yes, true. Which is like that leads back to why because the bunkers aren't really- Yeah. It doesn't seem like the best execution of bunkers to the point where, I mean, it just
Starting point is 00:27:57 kind of seems like you can manipulate a little bit by just driving it hard and making sure you avoid the bunkers that you need to carry. And so it just kind of isn't the most interesting watch in that regard, but there's great elements to it and parts that I do enjoy watching. Which it feels like they should do something similar to what I think they're going to do with the Canadian Open, which is like, they're going to play it every other year at TPC Toronto. And then they're going to basically go back and forth between St. George's up there and Hamilton and I think one other course. And it's like, they're going to kind of be on a little road up. I think the Scottish Open, every third year, something like they should have it up at Castle Stewart or Cabot Highlands or go up to Aberdeen or go over and have it on the
Starting point is 00:28:49 West Coast. I think having it at Turnberry or something like that, I just think it just needs to bump around the country a little bit more, or the tour needs to give us some sort of links test that bounces around the British Isles in the UK. That's that's it. That's where I again, I'm more mad at the game and the state of it than I am anyone that even has the decision to make at this point, because there aren't very many links golf courses anymore that make a ton of, you know, not a lot of old links golf courses that make a lot of sense for these guys to go play anymore. Unfortunately, it just, it's turned into such a fricking track meet and
Starting point is 00:29:28 we don't need to belabor that point. I think it seems like they did do a good, like they have done a good job of like with the spectator stuff and like the views are incredible on TV. Like it's a pretty good TV product. They're churning out now with that. And CBS does a good job with it. Yep. And there's some elements out there. I think it, I just enjoy that week too, in general, watching guys go over and play in North Barrick and just getting all swept up in the bagpipes and all the.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Well, that was like, so I had a discussion question in here. What moment this week made you feel the most jealous of everyone over in the UK right now? Was it Wimbledon, like, you know, watching Wimbledon and seeing, you know, everybody kind of cycle through there? Is it seeing our media friends kind of playing golf and posting stuff on social for favorite courses in Ireland and England and Scotland? Is it seeing the burned out fairways like, you know, from Renaissance? Or is it, you know, like seeing the usual procession of guys just going to North
Starting point is 00:30:25 Berwick and hit it over the wall and all that? I think I saw a clip of Travis Hill from the golfer's journal hit the wall with his shot at the pit at North Berwick. That might've been the one TC. I saw Joel hit a great, Joel Damien hit a great chip over it and hit it all close. No, I'd rather hit the wall and get it ricochet back at you. That's what makes me the most jealous. And normal, usual disclaimer on,
Starting point is 00:30:50 we get to go see and do a lot of stuff and it's unfair of us to go sit and be jealous. Oh, totally. Cause runner up would be Joel Beale posted a photo from rural County down that looked even better from when we played it, Randy, with what we played it. I thought it was the greatest looking golf course that these two eyes have ever seen.
Starting point is 00:31:07 And somehow I'm like, how is the human brain work this way that I'm this envious six weeks later after we were just there? Randy? I honestly think it was the color of the fairways. You know, it reminded me of our trip, our first tourist sauce, where we were kind of coming in during a pretty significant drought and everything was baked out and firm and it's like, damn, like playing North Baric anytime would be a treat. But getting on links around Scotland when the fairways look, I think they called it blonde color on the telecast, which is a great adjective for it. That's what made me most jealous is like that's as good as it gets. Yeah. I had a buddy at Presswick today and he like, she's like, man, like I pay a lot of
Starting point is 00:31:51 money to be there right now. I think, sorry for me, it was in Jim Rorstaff from Terry Keating. He and his son. He texted me, they both aced the same par four in Scotland at Cullen, the eighth hole. I've never had to welcome two people to the brotherhood at the same exact moment, but to Jim and his son Blake, they both aced the eighth hole playing together at Cullen, which was just absolutely ridiculous story. I still am struggling to wrap my head around. The odds of that have to be like in the, what, tens of millions? If not. I mean, like you just say, it sends me via text and I'm just like, I'm reading this and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:32:32 am I reading this properly? Like you guys both aced it together. Two balls in the hole at the same time. It's crazy. So, uh, before we wrap up from, uh, Genesis, I want to give a shout out to our friends at Omni Hotels and Resorts, the official hotel of No Laying Up. Heart of Summers here. It's time, is prime time to put vacation time to you. Sneak away for a golf trip.
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Starting point is 00:34:11 Notes before getting to the Evian. It sounds like Rory needs to go to OmniFrisco. He needs to go to PGA Frisco. I don't think I shot so much of PGA Frisco as the PGA, just generally speaking. Like, you know. Yeah. Well, for those that missed it, he was talking about venues and major venues. Like I care. You know, it's amazing to win the blah, blah, blah here. It's a, of course I want to win, you know, the open at the old course. I want to win the PGA at PGA Frisco, not a little bit of a bore. A little bit of a borat situation there, but wow, what a dry buy.
Starting point is 00:34:47 It was pretty ice cold, man. I got to give it to him. Yeah. Between that and then Stefan Schauffele, you know, throwing, throwing some shots at the PGA of America, the 31,000. Yeah. Stefan Schauffele. Oh, he said, do I miss the PGA tour?
Starting point is 00:35:01 No, I did not read this article. This is from the Times. Unfortunately, I hate doing this. I'm pulling this from nuclear golf. I'm going nuclear. I'm going nuclear. Do I miss the PGA tour? No, I'm not going to the Ryder Cup either. I'm afraid of what's going to happen in New York. I was there at Whistling Straits when they called Shane Lowry's wife a whore in front of them. I couldn't believe my ears.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Then I saw what happened in Rome. That was utterly disgusting, claiming this money bullshit and Rory behaved disgustingly in my opinion. It's only going to get worse. It's ruined my appetite for the Ryder Cup. It becomes unwatchable. He also said Xander got 150 to $200 million live offer. And he said they could have doubled the money and we still wouldn't do it citing the lack of world ranking points. So I missed that guy. Those are some, some excellent quotes. He's just hanging out off the grid and it's in Hawaii, right? Yeah. And before we fully move on from, from Scott, Scott, show up and can I just say,
Starting point is 00:35:52 and I think I say run this back every year now at this point, more co-sanctioned events. I think this makes so much sense. It's awesome just to see like Marco Pinge. I hope I'm, am I saying it right? I've heard Penn, I've heard Peng, I've heard Peng, I've heard any of those, but like he doesn't play on the PGA tour and was just right there in the mix with, you know, like Chris got her up is wouldn't have, I don't think I've been in a signature event. If this was a signature event, you have like got her up, you have Rory and you have somebody from the DPU world tour all
Starting point is 00:36:21 competing together down the stretch. Like it's just, it's great. I, they got to figure out a way to get the BM, like the BMW at Wentworth to be at a date in the calendar where that makes sense. Maybe they make that a playoff event or something. And, and which I don't even know what's going on with the playoffs, but anyways, I love the co-sanction events. Those are massive wins. So, uh, it's in, you know what? Shout out to CBS. I know, uh, things seem up. They're looking up as far as ratings, just generally speaking. Yeah, this was Josh Carpenter was tweeting
Starting point is 00:36:49 about this earlier this week. They're having their most watch season to date since 2018. That's up 13% from last year. Now granted, ratings were bad last year, but everything is just like up. John Deere got 2.675 million viewers. That's up 28% from last year. And from Josh Carpenter, going back to farmers where the tour considers its network season starting, it's only been four
Starting point is 00:37:13 weeks where there was not year over year viewership of an increase in the final round. So again, there's so much ratings talk in golf. I'm not sure how much this really matters. Is this a dead cat bounce? If you had like one bottom line at one thing like is causing this, what would you guys estimate that it is? I've had some pretty good winners this year. Yeah. I'll tell you where I sit is I, I, the CBI, the CBS broadcast product is the best thing going right now, which is crazy to think back, you know, since 2018. Props to them, man.
Starting point is 00:37:51 I know, props to them, but it is the one network where it's like, I can turn it on and know that it's at least going to be a good broadcast product. And that's gotten me to tune into like, even when I'm not on the podcast, right, and I like, don't quote unquote, have to watch golf. I still find it enjoyable to turn on like the John Deere, right? Or the week before that, where was I watching the rocket mortgage? Shit, I was watching rocket, rocket, rocket on vacation in Michigan. And it's like, yeah, it's because it's easy. It's
Starting point is 00:38:22 nice to watch. And I, I don't know, I don't know if that's the whole bounce. But I at least personally, like I am much more apt to flip on a tournament that has CBS coverage relative to NBC. I'm so glad to hear you say that, Randy, because I wanted to be like, yeah, look, what happens when you invest in your product and increase it? I was hoping that was the answer, right? Like, I think that's the answer in my head. But I'm also,
Starting point is 00:38:43 are we just in an echo chamber where, you know, we're the only ones that care about this, this, this network stuff. And then, you know, the presentation and like, yeah, they've, they take their stuff seriously. I think Trev, like, I don't think like you tune in, like mentally, I don't think you go, I got to listen to Trevor Emlin. But I think him being in that seat, not to fire a shot at Faldo is just such a, like the glue just works together so much more.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Like you just started listening to smart golf talk the whole time. You almost don't even notice it. Instead of like Faldo would just like say words that didn't mean anything. And Trevor doesn't waste any words. The way he plays off of some of the other guys, I think has improved the rest of them. I think honestly, like Nobelo and IBF and even Dottie. Well, he sets them up for success. Yes, they're set up way better than they were with Fouto because it's just not, it's less stammering and all that. So Trevor had a great perfect example today.
Starting point is 00:39:33 They're doing the, they're explaining Goddard up is on the clock right now, but he gets one thing and Trevor has point blank immediately. He's like, do you think the rules official told him that he gets that, you know, one kind of timeout of sorts? That was Johnny Miller style. Right? That's how Johnny did things. Yeah, it was really, really good. So congrats to them. I'm honestly like, again, just very, very happy that the that it's trending that direction almost. I don't think
Starting point is 00:40:02 there's a live takeaway from this necessarily other than it's like, there's a clear winner here from in terms of fan interest. I think NBC should hire Arlo White. That's the takeaway. It'd be the best thing they've done in years. What a moment! Jordan Spieth, I'd like to congratulate Jordan Spieth
Starting point is 00:40:24 and his family for welcoming their third child. Wish I was joking about this. The boy is named Sully. A lot of theories going on out there. Was he calling me Sully? Because he wanted to make sure he had that kind of separation. But that was more S-O-L-E-L-Y. Right. But that's what I'm saying. He wanted to make sure like, yeah, I'm not naming my kid. He was carving out Sully for his kid. Exactly. S-U-L-L-Y. I did a little Sasquatch immediately. Like, me? Did you name him after me, Jordan? I don't think he did. I'd have to ask him,
Starting point is 00:41:00 but I don't think he did. Let me just state that for the record. You have a massive fan. We got a slowly Sallenberger. Is that three boys now? No, it's a girl, Sophie. So it's the same as my daughter. Okay. Sammy? Yeah. All right. All S's.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Yeah. So yeah, we're going to get, Flushing is probably going to come after us. He's going to tell us to mob up for glazing the PGA tour and all these guys over the next, you know, the last 40 minutes or so. They wouldn't expect it. Is your boy back? He's back. He's just, we don't need to give any more. Just tweeted through the pain, man. Everybody's like, yo, are you going to like address this? You just act like nothing happened. Yeah, it's great. Okay. Nice. Speaking of other stuff, just emptying the notebook here, Sally, a little baby Colin bringing in Billy Foster. I missed this next part. Foster said he will not be caddying for him during the Ryder Cup. He draws the
Starting point is 00:41:56 line there because he bleeds for Europe. That's sick. I love that. He's caddied in like what a dozen rider cups. I think if you are of the birth country of, uh, of the opposing team, you should not caddy in the rider cup. Like it kills me to see scoffy on the, on Ludwig's bag and riding for team Europe in the rider cup. Like that's, that's one example. There's a lot of, there's some European caddies as well, the caddy from the American side, but it just it feels wrong. Ricky Elliott was on the bag for bro. It just
Starting point is 00:42:27 feels backwards. It just feels wrong. I do you have any competing rooting interest internally, you have to have like at least a little bit here. I don't know. I respect Foster for this. Yeah, I applaud him. I'm glad to have him in our team room. So Seve would have never like legitimately, if you go doing all the SEVY research we've done recently, Billy Foster caddied very seriously for Seve. Like, yeah, you can't caddied for Seve and also caddied for the Americans in the Ryder
Starting point is 00:42:53 Cup. It does not go that way. That was one of Morikawa's things. He's like, I've enjoyed asking him like, what would Seve do here? And I'm just thinking in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, Sally's probably screaming through the phone right now. Like Seve would be cheating right now. He would be coughing in somebody's backs right now. Like, Seve would be cheating right now.
Starting point is 00:43:05 He would be coughing in somebody's backswing. Great man, Seve. All right. What else? H.E.'s caddy is struggling to get a UK visa, which you know, E. E. serves some time in the pen for a drug charge, I think like 20 years ago. And he's kind of been on the straight and narrow. It's a cool story. Like he's pretty open and honest about it. So yeah, I think the US ambassador is kind of working on things on that front. Iranian a trap draw adjacent development. This is all stuff that we can track.
Starting point is 00:43:38 I'm just setting the table for the preview and happy hour pods this week. There's a potential industrial action that may disrupt open train travel. And that is essentially a strike. It sounds like they're working through it, but that could throw a wrench into some logistics, the trap draw and knowing a pile will continue to monitor that. Then the sons of Ulster parade may force earlier tee times on Saturday. But apparently this happened also six years ago as well. And there was not much came of it. And also Randy, our film is going to come out this week on Monday. We're looking to our, our tracks. I think, I think we'll have solved all the problems there.
Starting point is 00:44:21 But by that time, I think us, you know, I would, I was our goal when we started the film. And I think that's, that's probably the problems there by that time. I think, you know, I would, that was our goal when we started the film. And I think that's, that's probably the takeaway people are going to say. So many times, guys, we cannot act like we have any solutions to this. We are not solving any problems. We simply have to talk about what we see and what we learn. Yeah, that's exactly. That's exactly right. Maybe not the topic I should joke about.
Starting point is 00:44:43 But that was indeed a joke. And I hope people should watch the film. We're really, really, really excited about this film. We'll talk about that at the end as well. But I got to give a shout out. Like right now, headlines everywhere, chock full of data breaches, regulatory rollbacks, making us all vulnerable. You can do something about it. Delete Me is here to make it easy, quick, and safe to remove your personal data online. Delete Me knows your privacy is worth protecting. Sign up and provide.
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Starting point is 00:46:41 That's NLU 64000. Messages and data rates may apply. Randy, take me to the fourth, second, the penultimate major on the women's schedule. Yeah, well, one of the discussions I was gonna have is if we're ready to declare that this was a major, but technically it was, God dang, what a finish today. I truly trying to think of a comparable finish,
Starting point is 00:47:09 Grace Kim down the stretch. Headline, Grace Kim wins in a playoff over Gino Titicum. The action really, I mean, Grace Kim eagles the 72nd hole to force a playoff. Gino cannot make, what did it look like? Six, seven foot birdie putt. You gotta make that one. Yeah, it was closer to 10-ish probably. Either way, you gotta birdie that 70 second hole. You gotta hit it, like to not die into the hole and that's essentially kind of how she hit it. Yeah, so they go, they play 18 again, which is a very reachable par five.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Yeah, so they go, they play 18 again, which is a very reachable par five. Grace hits her second shot though, way right into a hazard, kind of adjacent to the green. Gino hits hers pin high, just off the green and a little bit of rough. So like Grace's drop in three has a pitch across the green for four. She's thinking best case, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:04 get up and down, make a par, make Gino get up and down for Birdie to win. And then she chips in, like she chips the damn ball in for Birdie. The pressure swings to Gino, who then I think makes a really good up and down. She left herself again, another not like certainly not a tap in birdie putt. I think that was maybe a five, six footer for birdie. And so they go to 18 again. They're both in prime position and Grace Kim hits a wonderful second shot.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Has, again, I'm guessing here, what, maybe 15 feet, 12, 15 feet for eagle. Gino misses in the same spot, just left of the green and some rough. And Grace rolls in her Eagle putt. And that's all she wrote. It truly a shocking win, I think, for Grace Kim, just because standing in the fairway on 18, it was Gino's tournament.
Starting point is 00:49:01 So guys, I mean, we can talk about Grace, but correct me if I'm wrong, it feels like the big story is Gino and I don't know how bad should she feel for not winning this? Did she get this ripped away from her or did she give this one up? I'm a little torn.
Starting point is 00:49:19 It's a little bit of both. It's a mix, yeah. It's hard. She's supposed to be, like she's a massive talent. She's had a questionable major record. She's played well in the last several majors here this this year after a tough, I guess, last couple majors, she's played well, she had tough US Open, but it she had a good look to win and just like didn't hit the put. Granted,
Starting point is 00:49:40 she made a very clutch birdie on the 71st hole to take the one shot lead. Maybe let her to play the 18th hole a little conservatively, but it's hard to blame her. I know because she hit before grace. So she laid up on 18. Gino did, uh, from the right intermediate. Yeah. Yeah. I think she could have gotten there. I'm still not sure she gives herself much better a birdie look than what she ended up with.
Starting point is 00:50:11 But she did lay up and then Grace steps up and I mean damn near made an albatross like hits it to a foot and a half for a tap in eagle. And that was like, yeah, I wonder if Gino wants that one back like should she just have gone for it. But I think it does just kind of come down to like, hey, you got to make that putt. It's kind of complicated because she's got like, she's got this track record of not playing great in the majors or not, you know, like she's, she's kind of, you've been wanting more from her, but then you go look and she shot 67, 67 on the weekend. She had a clean card today. She birded the 18th hole in both the playoffs. Yeah. Like it's not like she messed up the playoff, right? She just should have made the putt at the end of regulation. I don't know. Like I think Grace Kim is a really good,
Starting point is 00:50:55 like I remember she won the Lotte in what? 2023. I remember like stand up late and watching that from Hawaii. And it was like, she just seems delightful. She seems like just very, you know, kind of a glowing personality and just positive person. I know, I think John pond caddied for filling in for her caddy a few weeks back and like he said nothing but great things to say about her. So she hits the shit out of it. Like she's kind of like, like her game kind of reminds me of Nellie in a certain way, just long language swing. It's funny because I feel like she carries herself a bit like Nellie in a certain way, just long language swing. It's funny because I feel like she carries herself a bit like Nellie. Like if you just see them walking a golf course, I think there are a lot of similarities between
Starting point is 00:51:34 Grace and Nellie. Grace 24 years old, Australian, TC as you mentioned, this was her second LPGA victory, had not had any major top tens until this week. But what a breakthrough it is. I believe she becomes the fifth Australian woman to win a major. Of course, Minji Lee, fellow countrywoman, just won the KPMG, the major before this. So good run here for Aussie women's golf.
Starting point is 00:52:01 I mean, she doubled the 12th hole. She doubled 12 and it looked like she like left one on the lip of a bunker. It had come right to me. Same round. And then she guys she played the 18 hole three times. To finish this day. She went Eagle Birdie Eagle with a penalty shot. She hit one in the water in one of those and she played it five under in three rounds. She hit the in the water in one of those and she played it five under in three rounds. She hit the ball nine times when she played the 18th hole three times. Like it's a, it
Starting point is 00:52:29 was completely absurd. Randy might've undersold that chip in. Like she hit like a skinny, skanky like bottom of the face toed iron into the water and had to drop, like she had to chip it over the water. It was like a hole out from 40 yards. It was not a chip. It was not a greenside chip. It was unbelievable shot. I'm trying to remember a shot in golf. That was like truly like you have to make this pretty much to have a chance not to win. Bones is tending in a Tory. one of those ones where like bones is tending in at Tori.
Starting point is 00:53:10 And it goes in though, it really was I completely agree. So I'm like totally underselling it. It really is one of the more amazing shots I can remember in LPGA. Since I've been a fan, like the magnitude and the timing of it and what it meant. So I'm a big Gino fan and I'm like, I'm worried I'm coming off as like letting her off the hook here. Now, this like this check put aside, I thought she did play well. Like grace just ripped it from her. You got to give her some I think no pun intended some grace.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Grace. I'm probably I'm the the interior Yang, a more Gino hater than I am. You know, the biggest Gino fan just in that I want to see her win. And I'm not I'm letting her off the hook on this one. The bogey free 67. Yeah, you got a birdie 18. But I, she had a Justin Ray twitch had a 98.6 win probability. They're playing the 18th. Like, it's easy to say if she'd have messed up that going for it over the water, maybe she hits it in the water. Maybe she hits into a terrible lie in the back bunker. If we'd have messed that up, he'd have been like, Hey, just lay it up. You're like,
Starting point is 00:54:10 make her make Eagle to beat you and it happened. It just is a really tough break. But really similar major record to Tommy right now for being honest. For Gino. For Gino. Yeah. Where are we going with this TC? Just, just say it. Well, Gino, and I, let's be clear. Gino doesn't have a bad major record. It's just, she has such a good
Starting point is 00:54:34 regular tour record that the major record, yeah, just doesn't quite look as good in comparison. And obviously she hasn't won one yet. And so until she does, it's going to be like this, like, when is Gino going to win one? And I think that's both fair and, you know, she's still 22 years old. She doesn't turn 23 till February. So plenty of time, but man, yeah, a couple of these now where it's like, oh, you start banking some of these majors, and we get really excited about like the historical greatness that that Gino could perhaps elevate herself to. Gino also doesn't seem to win tournaments that aren't like crazy low under par. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:17 It, the, the, the biggest, uh, flag I'll raise on her is, is nine, nine, 15 and 18 are the par fives, three of the last 10 holes are par fives. She didn't birdie any of those. And not getting 15 or 18 there when all you got to do is get one of them to win is probably what she's kicking herself for. But also, again, Grace Kim had to play her final, including the playoff, played her final seven holes and six under to beat her by one. Like it's just as absurd. It was, man, I'm not an Evian lover. It was, I was vibing this morning. That was a great watch.
Starting point is 00:55:53 I might be coming around a bit on the Evian. I'm kind of to the point where I don't know if we gave it a fair shake to begin with. Like we were coming at it from such a jaundiced point of view. Yeah. Four or five or seven years ago. The finish is really good. And that's the thing that I'm coming around on is it serves up fireworks.
Starting point is 00:56:15 Like we saw, you have the big swings that are possible. And I think as far as major venues go, that makes for really interesting viewing. And it's scenic. It doesn't deserve to say share the same tier as the Chevron. I think we can agree on that. I think that was my big takeaway too is the Chevron is clearly the fifth major out of out of five. And if the KPMG isn't going to you know, like it feels like it's on a level with, with maybe the KPMG at this point, a definitive level below the U S women's open and the AIG women's open.
Starting point is 00:56:52 And then I think, you know, and then I think you've got those two are more similar than Chevron feels a definitive level below. And I think it like, it's kind of weird. Like let's just kind of lean into it and accept like, hey, this is going to a beautiful place in the middle of, in the middle of July. And you know, it is asking distinct questions that normally conveys a pretty good leaderboard for us. And I think that, I mean, it was a banger.
Starting point is 00:57:20 What last year was that when Lauren was in the mix last year, like there's been awesome finishes and sorry to your point about co-sanctioned events. This is kind of the code, you know, one of the two kind of co-sanctioned ladies European tour. And if you really want a global, a proper global tour and you got a willing sponsor Monday that, you know, they want, they want to throw money at this thing. Yeah, this, this could be a, a mea culpa here for me. I mean, the, the, it's Celine Boudier won by six strokes a couple of years ago. That wasn't like a dramatic ending at all, but still like good leaderboard. It's like cruise through the leaderboards. Yeah. It's like, it's always a fun leaderboard about four out of every five years, there seems to be like drama coming right down
Starting point is 00:58:05 to the 72nd hole. And I think, yeah, as maybe goofy as the course is, it allows for birdies and eagles and fireworks. And it's not the worst thing. I'll say that. I'm hand up. I'm sorry. It is such a cut above Chevron, like as a golf course,
Starting point is 00:58:24 as a scenic viewing experience, the atmosphere, you know, I see people you see flags, you see, like pride in the event. I yeah, I'm coming around. So I'm sorry to the folks that Yeah, I bitched about it too much. Yeah. It's just non stock shots down the stretch. Like there's so much all above your feet. That 17th hole is actually really fun, especially that front right pin. It asks a very specific question.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Like Lauren didn't pass that test on 17 last year, but it was like, man, that's just such a better give and take for like a good shot versus bad shot than we normally see on the LPGH. Like it felt different. Like a par three 16th there, like where that comes and meets, where that front right pin was as well today, like and where it meets like the 18th green like that
Starting point is 00:59:09 whole atmosphere around that there's an energy there. I don't know, man, I did not expect to when I woke up this morning, I did not expect to be raving about the Evian. Wazing the Evian. One thing I will not, here's the here's a problem that I've always had with this tournament is the mail in effort that we get from NBC Golf Channel. Just give a good international feed broadcast. That's all they have to do.
Starting point is 00:59:32 And I don't know if it's always like this or what the deal was, but the broadcast was legitimately three to five minutes behind the main action. And they were spoiling everything. There was a great buzz on social. One of our great mornings we've had in a long time, especially in women's golf on social media of everybody freaking out about it. And I'm realizing like LPGA account is spoiling the result, like way ahead of what I'm watching, like horribly far ahead.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Like five whole minutes. What is the possible explanation for this being almost essentially on tape delay while we're watching it? And I like now I'm avoiding social media while I'm watching it, which is the opposite of what my job is at times. It was very, very bad. There's been other instances of just shots happening in commercial on the 72nd hole in this tournament in the past because they've not been able to get the handover right from whoever shoots it. I don't want to hear the excuses. Somebody messed this up. My PLPGA, NBC Golf Channel. I have my suspicions. Maybe everybody's to blame here, but that was literally the only bummer of the day.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Leona McGuire, she was leading the tournament round one. She made an ace and they didn't have video footage of the ace from a major championship. like one of the best players in the world. That's insane. Before we get to Lottie Wode, because I know she's kind of the other headline from this. I mean, yeah, like Minji Lee, you know, T3, you had Angel Yin shot 63. She was T5. Andrea Lee, T5. I was a bit disappointed in Gabby Ruffles, 72 today. She should have been right in the mix of this thing. I was stoked to see her. She shot a first round 65 and kind of backed up with an even par 71 on the second day.
Starting point is 01:01:15 But then yeah, 66 round three. I'm with you TC. I thought she would be right in it all day. So she was in the final group with Cara Gaynor from England who had shot a 64 on Saturday. And that whole final group, the third one in there was Somi Lee who we can talk about that drop if you would like. But all three of those women, they shot 72, 73, 74
Starting point is 01:01:41 and just weren't in it, which made that second to last group, which was Gino and Grace and who was the third with them? Whoever it was, that was kind of the juice all day. Good leaderboard, but guys, I'm also like, a lot of recognizable names. I think this is a credit to the women's game, finally having some depth, but you still kind of compare it to the Rolex
Starting point is 01:02:07 and Nelly wasn't a factor, Lydia Ko misses a cut, Ronny Yim misses the cut, Haydon Rue misses the cut, Maya Stark misses the cut. You know, I still feel like we're not quite getting the best of the best women to like show up consistently at these majors. And I feel like that's a bit of a bummer that if I had one knit to pick this week, uh, needed a few of those top 10,
Starting point is 01:02:33 top 15 in the Rolex rankings to have better weeks. Hopefully we will see that as we get to Royal Porth call and Wales in a couple of weeks. I agree. I agree. Randy, I do want to shout out Helen Breen made the cut. She made the cut. I know. We didn't play that well this week in TC, but we're taking steps.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Yeah. Well, guys, I got to, we have a new segment and I'm really excited to get to it here. We're going to have a shout out to our friends at SoFi, the ultimate finance app for sponsoring today's SoFi, Get Your Money Right moment. Starting this week, we're going to be giving the SoFi Get Your Money Right moment to somebody who got their money right on the golf course. Career changing win, locking up a tour card back to our top five to secure the bag, anything. Head to
Starting point is 01:03:20 SoFi.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right. So fi plus, if you want to nominate somebody for you the next get your money right moment, let us know in the comments, we're going to get to that. I get to as many of these as we possibly can could nominate anything. These can go any different direction. A lot of different ways. I mean, different ways we could go with this. Right. Well, I was gonna say, you know, grace Kim wins 1.2 million. That's, that's career changing for is. Is that our, is that our get your money right
Starting point is 01:03:47 winner? Randy, our get your money right winner earned 0.0 dollars this week. Okay. We are going to, we're going backwards with the segment from the very beginning. Uh, that is Lottie Wode. She needed a top 25 finish at the Evian to earn her LPGA tour card. She shot 64 in the final round here today, Randy. It was an, and she started the day, I think, was it seven shots back? I forget exactly what it was, but she birdied three of her first four holes, birdied seven, birdied nine, went out in 30, then birdied 11 and 13. She did bogey the 14th hole, but came right back, birdied the 15th hole, couldn't muster up a birdie in the last three holes that would have put her in the playoff as well. But she would have made, and it's conflicting sources on some of this, but I believe she
Starting point is 01:04:34 would have made something in the realm of $500,000. But she of course has to forfeit that because she is an amateur. So maybe the real get your money right winner this week is Minji Lee who did not have to share the third place money. She made 523. That's another 100, 100 K right in her pocket. Something like that. Yeah, the math gets funky there because you know, then the fourth player, there was fourth place money involved, which was shared with Angel Yen and Andrea Lee because even though they finished T fifth, they get it slides all that
Starting point is 01:05:09 a lot of people made a lot more money just because Lottie was an amateur here, but she helped everybody else get their money, right? She did. And she's about to get her money right because she earned that LPGA tour status. I imagine she's going to be taking up that card very, very soon and is going to begin printing money. So I want to give thanks again to our friends at SoFi, the all-in-one finance app for sponsoring this week's Get Your Money Right segment. You can go to SoFi.com slash nlou to learn more about how you can get your money right
Starting point is 01:05:39 with SoFi Plus. And if you want to nominate somebody for the next one, again, let us know in the comments. We already have like four, the next four planned out because there's so many different fun ways we could go with this segment. I feel like, you know, she's, she, she's probably got her NIL money, right? To this point, I would hope so. Right down at free shoes university. I think P helps some people get their money, right?
Starting point is 01:06:01 This week too. Well, kept their money, right? Kept their money, right? Yeah.. Well, kept their money right. Kept their money right. Yeah. Our friends, the judge. Yeah. Some of our friends that we know, Shane Bacon, Eamon Lynch, and I believe they even hack the peace $750 million lawsuit, which honestly, I regret that I forgot about that. I haven't thought about this lawsuit for like at least a year. It has been dismissed yet again. I don't know how many times loss with prejudice with prejudice. This is the end. Does that mean it's good? It's done. This is the end. Okay. Uh,
Starting point is 01:06:30 I, I, I judge the judge's whole ride up on it was like, yeah, like they just said stuff that was like either patently true or like your college team teammates have said this. There was, there was like this whole rationale laid out. It was pretty cut and dried. So, yeah, shout out to them as well. They burned through one of my ideas. We could have spent a 30 minute one on that one. Shout out to Lady J.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Quick question real quick back to Lottie Wode. She joins, I'll say Rose Zhang and Ingrid Lindblad in the last couple of years as like pretty high profile women that have gone the college route, had success as amateurs and then joined the LPGA tour. TC, where do you slot your excitement with Lottie, maybe vis-a-vis those other two? What are you hoping to see from her? Assuming, you know, she takes her card
Starting point is 01:07:23 and turns pro somewhat soon. Lottie seems like she has that dog in her. Like, she seems like she she wants to she wants to absolutely dominate people. I've never really gotten that from Rose. Even during her wins, it was always. You know, pretty conservative play and just gonna be in the fairway and just iron play to death. Whereas it seems like Lottie's got, she just plays with a certain fire, it seems like and I don't know, I'm more bullish than I think
Starting point is 01:07:57 angry, it'll be very steady and consistent. I think Lottie is is, she's killer. She's like a kind of like a, she looks like she thrives, man. She just swings it so confidently. Like the winning by six last week at the, at the women's Irish, the statement she made in the final round, like when she won the Augusta national women's amateur, like it just felt inevitable when she gets going. Like there's just a women's British last year. There's not that many players I can think of on men's or women's side of the aisle
Starting point is 01:08:26 that I think of like they just have this Sunday glare about them. I love the commitment in her swing. I'm I don't know, I was guilty of getting and I'm not putting roses career in the past tense, but we all guilty of getting quite hyped about Rose and I'm gonna I'm getting I'll get ahead of it. I'm going to be guilty of getting pretty hyped on on Lottie because I think she's coming hard. She beat the shit out of a really good field last week. Yeah. In Ireland. Like, by
Starting point is 01:08:54 six. Like, is she gonna be one of the 10 biggest favorites at the AIG Women's Open? Well, she was T10 last year, the low M at at the old course. I mean, I think she certainly should be, you know, if she's not, then I think it's a value opportunity. I'm with you. She's got something where it's like, she just finds a way to get the ball in the hole. And it's a little I was just watching her day, you know, she had like a chip in, she had a long putt. It's a little spee-thean feeling to me right now. Just kind of how she's emerging and winning. And it just feels like there's a lot of good stuff happening
Starting point is 01:09:35 for her. So yeah, I'm excited. It's like, how many holes are left? Eleven. Okay. How can I get nine birdies out of those remaining eleven holes? It just, honestly, it feels like she is trying to birdie every single hole and I don't know, it's refreshing. I might need her to mentor Tommy. I, as you know, a huge Tommy fan, honestly, everything I feel about Lottie is the exact opposite of how I feel of Tommy on Sundays. I hate, I hate to say that, but it looks,
Starting point is 01:10:03 it is the complete polar opposite. I'll remember this. You brought it up. You said that she should mentor Tommy. It's everything Tommy needs. She, you know, he needs to work on that stuff. Randy, what do we, what do we make of Rose? She was T35 this week.
Starting point is 01:10:20 What's your, if you haven't followed the women's game as closely as you have personally, like what's your summary, I guess would be a better word of the Rose Zhang situation. I think she's battled injuries. So I'm glad to see her putting four decent rounds together, you know, at least making the cut at an event like this. I think we're going to look back at these as kind of a little bit of lost years for Rose this. I think we're gonna look back at these as kind of
Starting point is 01:10:46 a little bit of lost years for Rose. And I think that's somewhat self-inflicted just with her commitment to finish school, you layer in some injuries. I just think she, we haven't seen her just full bore. I am an LPGA professional. Like, yeah, I just don't think we't seen her just full bore. I am an LPGA professional. Like, I just don't think we've seen her pour all of herself
Starting point is 01:11:10 into it yet. And she's only 22. And that's where it's like, you know, she's barely a year older than Lottie Wode. She's still very young. I hope that we do get that soon. Certainly, no, we don't need any lingering injuries. And once she does get that degree from Stanford, I think that's when the clock really starts
Starting point is 01:11:32 for her. It's like, okay, let's see what you got. Are we a top 10 player in the world or are we not? Because the expectations were monumental. She burst onto the scene winning her first start, three top 10s in her first three major starts as a pro. And it just hasn't nearly been that good since then. So are we worried that she was beating plumbers and fire women in the amateur ranks and the collegiate ranks because so many ladies go pro before college and just, you know, at 18. And, because I'm looking at it, I'm like, all right, like, I, you know, I hear you on the Stanford stuff, health is a skill, you know, I think she doesn't really have a dominant trait.
Starting point is 01:12:17 And I think that's, yes, I think that's a good thing to key in on was, it wasn't like she was just longer than everybody. And so her I think her greatness has to come from the consistency and the ability to practice and get reps with her iron plane, especially with her her wedges. And I just feel like over the last year and a half, she just hasn't put herself in position to maximize her abilities. But I do think it's a fair discussion too. It might be, we've seen many amateur women and collegiate stars that just quite haven't
Starting point is 01:12:56 found the success on the LPGA tour that I guess we would have expected maybe. It's feeling a little bit like Michelle Wee between injuries and going like, well, Michelle went back at 22 or 23 to go get her degree and she was doing that part-time. That kind of feels like- Is Rose done with school? Is she done and graduated? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:13:24 I would think maybe next year. I'll have to get an update. I don't know, but I don't think she is done. I feel like maybe she has one more semester or one more kind of years worth of class. Roche should start stacking. Charlie, she's going to stack. Cause it's like Michelle had this whole, this whole, she's like, she had a dominant
Starting point is 01:13:45 trait, right? She's just exceptional driver of the golf ball. And yeah. Interesting. And, and Rose's injuries have been kind of that neck, you know, nerve neck. It's not like the best place you want to see people dealing with injuries. So yeah, I almost, and she had talked about this like prior to the US women's open and stuff like how she almost thought the injury break was a bit of a blessing in disguise perhaps for just allowing it or kind of reset and you know, she could work on her schoolwork and and not worry about the pro golf aspect. But yeah, there's gonna come a point the next year, two
Starting point is 01:14:24 years where it's like, okay, Rose,, there's going to come a point in the next year, two years where it's like, okay, Rose, we let's see what you got here. Let's now's the time. Yep. All right. What's next from the notebook? So me Lee, the drop situation, what happened? Bad stuff. What? She got relief from a fence because it was next to a cart path. Yeah, there was a cart path and then a very tiny strip of grass and then a boundary fence and her ball was right up against the boundary fence. And I guess the local rule is that grass is an extension of the cart path. So she got free relief from a cart path, even though her ball was not like,
Starting point is 01:15:00 even though she wasn't on the cart path itself, but she'd been standing on it for that ball. I don't think so. I mean, I think I don't think this is we shouldn't be upset at Somi Lee. I think this is like Evian's got to get their local rules together. Yeah. Let's not declare that grass part of the cart path. I'm glad you know, end up affecting the championship. Randy, we should go at some point and go play the Evian course, do a film room, then go play the Kron.
Starting point is 01:15:25 I knew you were going to say the Kron in Switzerland. Absolutely TC. That sounds like a dream, you know, two week trip. What is the name of the course? The Kron Sur Siere? No, Evian. Oh, I should. It's just the Evian resort golf
Starting point is 01:15:45 club. Okay. That's what I was like, is there a name of the course that I never knew? Well, we had a stroke. Somebody got stroked. Yon Lou got stroked on the seventh hole. What we stroke in the Chinese. Yeah. Is this Saturday? Is this Friday or Saturday? She got stroked. It was Friday. She got stroked because I believe she ended up missing the cut. Okay. She was with Andrea Lee and Andrea said, I felt a bit rushed. Shout out to the LPGA. They've
Starting point is 01:16:18 handed out four slow play penalties since the new pace of play went into effect at the Ford Championship. That's more than the PGA tour. It's more like let's should be more. Yeah. Keep it going, please. Yes. Charlie Hall fainted with Drew. Yeah, that was scary looking. I think she's fine, but she kind of collapsed a couple of times. Blamed it on a virus, ended up getting carted off
Starting point is 01:16:45 the golf course. But yeah, said she was struggling with a virus and that was the cause of it. So hopefully she'll be fine for the AIG in a few weeks. And then Sally, we've got kind of a trap draw, another trap draw adjacent item here. Nellie Korda called out one of her sponsors, Delta. You know, she's a Delta partner. She's flown Delta her whole career. She called it her most organic partnership. She was pleading with them to get her her bag. When they you know, the
Starting point is 01:17:17 bags did not arrive in Geneva on time. So it's that time of the year. She was called my contacts were asleep. I had to I had to take up and take to social media that one. Just found that one. Found that one funny. The contacts ripped the world. Oh, partner.
Starting point is 01:17:29 Yeah, I'm sure. Thank you. Thank you for letting me wake up to this. We've got Brandel. I think Brandel's clubs are stuck in London while he's up in Scotland. You've got, there were a few other ones. They're starting to percolate. We'll probably see a few more this week as well.
Starting point is 01:17:46 Uh, people calling out, you know, uh, Shackleford led, led his newsletter off this morning with a shot at American airlines too. So I hated seeing that. Soly. Yeah, I'm sure you did hate seeing that TC. It's, I don't know. I love this time of the year because everybody just, you know, summer travel, people are getting crushed.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Yeah. What do I do next? Isco or live Spain? Let's do the Isco. Bill Mao just just just started a 60. Nine under today. Her sporn's been good. I wasn't familiar with with their game there. And I think this is a more proper test
Starting point is 01:18:30 than the PGA championship at Valhalla down the street. It's places firm, fast. They had under winning in a opposite field event is surprising. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and he's got a three shot lead. There's not gonna be guys under par. Yeah. It's like baked out. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and he's got a three shot lead. There's,
Starting point is 01:18:45 there's not going to be guys under par. Yeah. Uh, it's like baked out. It's sick. So props to the tours, agronomy staff for that. Uh, it's been like a cool, like second screen watch all week. Um, I say he's, he's minus 10,000 to win. And the leaders are just like on playing the 11th hole. Like he shot 61 today. Yeah, Keith Foster, I guess, did some work there. I don't know, just interesting stuff.
Starting point is 01:19:11 So, you know, shout out to the Ville. This is me kind of, you know, reaching across the aisle there. You know, the youth is playing. Jackson Coyvon's playing well. So I think you may need to give him a look for the team. Blades Brown made the cut on the number. Sarge made the cut. Sarge had a round going today as well. He is five under second best round of the day going right now. He's a prop to the Sarge man coming from the wilderness and good to see the Sarge playing well.
Starting point is 01:19:39 Yeah. Kevin Kisner on the other side of the spectrum. Kevin Kisner was, he's been kind of floating around in the top 10 all week. It doesn't look like he's, he's even today. He's minus four. His T11. David Skins had a pretty epic freak out at one point this week. Like we're just an awesome, just repeated club slam. Did you guys see the one last night? Hadwin? Adam Hadwin. I sent it through our Slack. Hadwin just going off on himself. Like you can't, you haven't hit a fucking iron all year. Then Savarikas like, just, just continue. Like they had just cut to the hot mic.
Starting point is 01:20:16 And he's just like, you can kind of hear it faintly. And then they cut to the hot mic and he's just F this F that slams his club in his bag. Then Savarikas is like, yeah, not much more we can add there. It was great. So more of that place. Yeah, that was fun. Live. I did not get to watch much live golf this week. I'm sure you watched most of it TC. Um, so you could probably pick up from this, but Taylor Gooch is back. That guy's back. Uh, in our, in our, he never left our hearts, but now comes back to the
Starting point is 01:20:49 forefront of our minds. He wins an eight under par beating out John Rom by a shot, a banter third, Matt Jones, Tom McKibbin, Brandon Grace T four on the team front. Lesion 23, lesion 13, not massive 12 under par to hunt down fireballs and smash. What are your big takeaways from this week? Yeah, high flyers were in a pretty good spot. They got plus four overall. Kind of decent final round from them. Ripper, great final round
Starting point is 01:21:27 from them. Ripper and Fireball both minus 11 in the final round. Kleeks, pretty good performance in the midfield battle there. They got up to eighth, scoring some points. But yeah, Legion and Fireball were the only two teams under par. And, you know, from a, from an individual's perspective, Rom one shot off the lead, you know, Cam Smith, a little bit of form there. Dustin Johnson, a little bit of form, shot minus seven, one point, proper golf course. Valderrama always slaps Blandy finishing one shot outside the top 14. the 15 although pretty heroic minus two today. He bogeyed his first hole and then then charged back. So, you know, it's it's clique season right now. Just clicks are an 11th out of 13 teams TCM just checking the standings that just come across my desk. Yeah. Yeah. It's not great. We can't get, we gotta get, uh, hitter up or catch up or whatever
Starting point is 01:22:30 his name is. It's bad. He's been playing like all four scores count all four, all three rounds. This year nowhere to hide. You don't have to tell me nowhere to hide. Yeah. So the big news. Yeah. The big news on the, uh, on the live front, I guess I tell. So the big news. Yeah, the big news on the on the live front, I guess I tell me if this is news. There was statements that came out both from the OWGR and live live and said they've reapplied for OWGR points look forward to working with Trevor Emelman on this live or the OWGR released a statement as well. So they received the application review process is commenced. And
Starting point is 01:23:06 they're committed to thorough evaluation of all applications and lives application will be reviewed in accordance with the OWGRs criteria to ensure fairness, integrity and consistency. Appreciate the interest of live golf and all tours in contributing to the global landscape of men's professional golf through OWGR. Further updates will be provided as the review progresses. Is there, is there any chance with this,
Starting point is 01:23:28 with this application that live golf gets OWGR points? You can apply. You know, probably not going to get in, but I mean, I think like there's, it just seems like there's like a Russian nesting doll of issues. It's the pathways and qualification. It's, it's the team element. There's like three or four different things. Yeah. Nothing's changed. And they think, and again, we don't, we're not going to go through all the criteria again. We've covered that at nauseam, but it, there's a lot of reasons why the main
Starting point is 01:24:06 one always continues to be like the lack of like churn and qualification for it. And the whole thing like it was supposed to be of like, oh, there's relegation now. And then they just like re signed a bunch of the guys that didn't qualify for it. Like if anything, this fell out of the lock zone. Okay, solid. They were in the drop zone. Yeah, no, or the open. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, or the open zone. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:24:26 Well, and they just like, yeah, you're good. You're exempted to all the events. Like, this is the exact problem that they had from the jump. So and you're supposed to be compliant with all of OWGR's criteria for at least a year to even get the points and you're not complying. I don't think this changes anything, unless the OWGR wants to bend over backwards for them to hand out like a minimal amount of points. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:24:53 I did have a little fun with this though guys, because again, the OWGR statement was very professional. I used my friend, Chad GPT, and plugged in the statement and just said, can you tell me what the OWGR is really saying? Like, here's kind of some of the background of the situation. Can you tell me what they're really saying? So again, the official statement, OWGR received an application from LiveGolf seeking inclusion in the OWGR system review process has
Starting point is 01:25:18 commenced. What they're really thinking. We received Liv's application be part of the world rankings. It arrived via gold plated envelope and smelled faintly of jet fuel and compromise. We opened it side deeply and filed it into the absolutely not folder right between big break reunion tour and Tiger's swing coach rankings. Next part sounds more like grok. It gets better. Next part actual statement. OWGR board is committed to a thorough evaluation
Starting point is 01:25:48 process of all applications and LIV's application will be reviewed in accordance with OWGR's criteria to ensure fairness, integrity, and consistency. Well, we're really thinking we're going to review this application with the same urgency you show cleaning out your junk drawer. We'll probably form a subcommittee, host some luncheons, debate whether shotgun starts count as golf, and ultimately decide that fairness and integrity means not giving points away for three day exhibitions featuring DJ and shorts." Yeah, they're kind of on this one more than I thought they would be. Lastly, we appreciate the interest of Live Golf and all tours and contributed to the
Starting point is 01:26:23 global landscape of men's professional golf through OWGR further updates will be provided as the review progresses Translation we appreciate live golf live golfs attempt to force their way to the ranking system They spent two years dismissing as irrelevant We also appreciate clowns at birthday parties and pigeons on statues updates will be provided Once we've exhausted every polite way to say thanks, but no, thanks Let me know if you want to be formatted into an internal memo. I know OpenAI was talking to Saudi Arabia about some fundraising from last month.
Starting point is 01:26:56 They may have to clean this up a little bit. I know, maybe a little bit. I feel like the OWGR should not, at a minimum, we need to see some some captains sacked. Like we need to see some real change. Like are these real franchises or not? Like I mean, Phil should be forced to like completely clean house at the high flyer. Right. Right. Like Kevin, you like you should straight up be fired. you should like, you should straight up be fired. Leave Westwood probably saying it. Like we need some actual commitments
Starting point is 01:27:29 that these clubs are like real before we'll even entertain anything. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. We, I mean, we know the answer to that, right? It's not real. I know, for sure. Like that's the part, like,
Starting point is 01:27:42 are you guys want to play this game? We can play it, but like, we all know this is not real. Right? I mean, I get like, I don't think like the golfers are not trying. Like, that's not what I'm saying to that. It's just like, you can't take this seriously. Like, it's not a, it's, there's not a real competitive structure here. And it that's not gonna change. You're not gonna change that the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:28:03 It doesn't mean that there's not competition. Like you go out there on a certain, trying to win, but yeah, like, but the structure is not in place around it. Correct. Very apt way of putting it. Yes. I also forget Anthony Kim plays this every week. That's wild.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Every time I, yeah. Yeah. Anything else before we put a wrap on this week, T.C. you traveled a little bit this week. Yeah. I went up to Cabot, Cabot, Cabot, Cape Breton. You know, listen, it was nice to get out of the heat. The golf was better than I remembered. Even like we went there 2019, kind of, you know, six years ago, almost to the week. I think our takeaway was like, both courses are worthwhile. I still think that's my takeaway.
Starting point is 01:28:50 I think I vastly- That Lynx course is so hard. I vastly prefer Lynx to Cliffs. Yeah. I think it's aged well. It's interesting to go back to a place six years later and see kind of, you know, how it's like, they've built a ton of cabins and, and, you know, cottages and such. It's kind of like they've built up a whole separate
Starting point is 01:29:10 campus there over at the Cliffs course. So it's really funny. The guy that owns the trailer park right there won't sell them the land between the two courses and build a house like right between them and the most prime piece of real estate. So you got to go out on the main highway to get around or whatever. But no, of course, we're in great shape. You know, Cliffs, I still think like 16 and 17 are like the two worst holes on property. Those are the two that like get all the notoriety and the photos and all of that. Like they're just like god awful. And you know, some good relations with the Canadians up there. A lot of the Atlantic provinces represented, some people from Toronto as well. They're just so gritty.
Starting point is 01:29:51 They're so grindy. I think there were so many either moderate sandbaggers or guys that just, they just wanna get in the battle. They wanna, the puck drops and they just lock in. And coming off of a short season and, um, you know, I just, they were like, you were in for a dog fight if you're in match play against Canadian guys. Yeah. Yeah. You better buckle up your chin strap. You know, you, you better play the game the right way, Solly. Okay. And like, like we're
Starting point is 01:30:22 playing this guy, him and Brandon the last day. I'm playing with a couple of the HMB guys. Andrew Bailey was like a plus six. So we're just giving shots away left and right. And we're playing Timbo and Brando. They're like, yeah, it's a great shot. Timbo, like they just, as soon as we hit like the 12th hole, they both became like plus fours. just, as soon as we hit like the 12th hole, they both became like plus four, you know? But man, it's still just like, I think they got to get like an airport closer to there because it's just two flights, you know, two flights from a lot of places in the US unless you're in Philly or, you know, New York. And then you got to drive three hours. It's like, damn. But yeah, lobster and you know, all that food was great. Hospitality was wonderful. Thank you to Ted and his team.
Starting point is 01:31:14 But yeah, just, you know, but truly one of those places where like, I thought I was never going to go back there just because it was, you know, it's just, it's a full day there and back and I'm like, I can get back to. So it was a nice surprise that it kind of presented itself once again. And I had a blast. It's a very, very worthwhile destination. It's aged gracefully. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:35 I want to get back up there. It's one of those places I don't think about nearly as much as I probably should. Or just like you said, it's the travel and it's tough from Florida. Like if you lived in the Northeast, it would be a lot more palatable to swallow and do especially. Even then like having to go through customs and drive three hours, it's tough. Like I thought about adding islands links onto it, the Stanley Thompson masterpiece up there, but that was like another two hours each way. It's like, all right, I gotta get home. It's tough. It's time. But yeah, I did not play great. My, you know, another kind of scratchy, scratchy couple of rounds solid. So I'm stoked to get these new irons in the bag.
Starting point is 01:32:16 Yeah. You want to go play Tuesday? Are you around? I am around. I'd love to. I got to get out of the house Tuesday. I've put it on my calendar. I got to go hit these irons. So even if it's just nine holes, let's go. Let's go out and play some golf. So we do have a busy week ahead. If you are listening to this on Monday, catch us at 3pm Eastern time on the no laying up podcast, YouTube channel. We're going to go live for our preview. The edited version will go up in the evening or shortly after we are done wrapping up with that. Obviously going talk about port rush talk about all the storylines for the week
Starting point is 01:32:47 And we also have the debut of our film from Northern Ireland Is going to be at 8 p.m. Eastern on the no laying up YouTube channel And we are of course going to have live shows as well on happy hour come Wednesday 4 p.m Eastern and then after the completion of every round of the tournament, I believe sometime around the 3.30 mark each day is where I think kind of broadcasts are gonna be closing and you can find us on the NoLangUp YouTube channel for all of those live shows, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday,
Starting point is 01:33:16 recapping every day of the Open Championship. So stoked, kind of sneaking up on me somehow just because there's always that little lull after US Open week or after Travelers really, a couple of non-live weeks, but it's our last, uh, last go-around for majors on the men's side. It's kind of, kind of surprising to say always. It's still the July ending of major season. Just doesn't sit great with me. Weird. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you guys got a seamsters coming out this week too, right? We do. We do kind of an all star themed, uh,
Starting point is 01:33:46 baseball chat on the trap draw podcast. I hope you guys were mad as hell about this Miz guy getting into the all star game. That had you broke after we recorded it, unfortunately, but I am mad as hell TC. I think it's Polish league. Apparently like they asked 12 different pitchers and they all said no. And then they got to him and he was like, I'll go. Apparently that's what happened. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:08 I don't think it was just a, it was like, are you willing to pitch an inning on like two days rest? A lot of these guys. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Look for that Tuesday morning.
Starting point is 01:34:18 Keep me in your thoughts this week. I'm going to be participating in the USDA media day out at Cypress point. Uh, so I'm looking forward to that. The USGA media day out at Cypress Point. So I'm looking forward to that. The things you do for content. Right. I'm taking one for the team going out there. We're going to, we're going to shoot a little video of me, me playing that. So yeah, looking forward to that. So it's like, I just want a video of not only you playing Cypress,
Starting point is 01:34:42 of you walking Cypress of all the little green to T, like, you know, walking along on, you know, from 14 green across the 15 and all that. I hope I'm not building it up too much in my head. That's my only worry. I hope it's not a shotgun either. I hope you can. It is a shotgun, but I'm not sure
Starting point is 01:35:00 what T they're gonna put me on. 16 would be so sweet. That'd be awesome. That would be awesome. I'm laying up for Shizzie if that's the case. Or if he tees off on 17 and then finishes on 16. That'd be pretty killer. And then you're playing Pasa too, right?
Starting point is 01:35:20 Yeah. We're going to get up to Pasa as well. See that post renovation. Haven't been there in years and years. So I think we're going to spin up a fun little social video of some of some type there. So yeah, big, big week and then home for the open. So love that. Love that.
Starting point is 01:35:34 Also, I want to shout out. We had these two caddies at Cabot. I had this kid, Anders, Anders and his brother, Ollie. They're both college students. We had them on the bag in our group twice and I had Anders all three rounds I played. He was awesome. And it was like me and Neil, like it'd be like if me and Neil were a little bit closer in age and both of us during the summers in college went and caddied together at Bandin or Cabot or something like, it was the coolest vibe and they were awesome caddies. So if you go to Cabot, ask for the two of those guys.
Starting point is 01:36:11 They were like among the better caddies I've had anywhere in the world. Oh, love that. Great use of the end of the show, TC, I appreciate that. All right, well that's gonna do it for this week. Done early, again, early pod SCN is a good thing for the family time. So greatly appreciate it. Thanks everyone for listening and thanks everyone for sticking around this week for a lot of fun. A lot of great content to come. Smash that like
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