No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1047: 3M, Lottie Woad, Happy Gilmore 2 Review

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

Shane Bacon joins the pod to discuss Kurt Kitayama's win at the 3M, his take on the upcoming Ryder Cup decisions the US team has to make, a new "do you remember this" segment, 5 Korn Ferry Tour graduates to watch out for on the PGA Tour next year, Joaquin Niemann, and our review of Happy Gilmore 2. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music better than most expect anything different ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying up podcast soli here uh this past week's been a big travel week for the squad reyney and cody are headed to wales for the aig women's open neil dj and tc are in nebraska as we speak on a filming trip we will get to our weekly recap episode with a guest this week. Shane Bacon is going to join me to chat about this past week in golf, some topics and the usual Sunday recap. But before we get into that, we did want to share a few words about what went out this past week. Uh, in case you missed it on social media or don't subscribe to our newsletter,

Kevin Van Volkenberg is no longer with no laying up. We are incredibly grateful for the time we had working with Kevin. We're very proud of the work we created together over two and a half years. We wish him absolutely nothing but the best in whatever is next. He's a great dad, a great friend, a fantastic writer. He's been a close friend of ours for years, well before he started working with us here at No Laying Up and will be the first ones to keep reading, listening and supporting his work wherever he ends up. Of course, we

understand the big question. Here's why it's totally fair question. That said, giving an answer on that would mean getting into details that are best kept private within our business. I hope we hope you can respect that. Even if it leaves some things unsaid, just know this was not an easy or quick decision. This was done with a ton of thought and a ton of pain. Mixing business and friendship is tricky. And this is obviously the first time we've had to go through something like this. And when that happens,

especially in a public facing media company like ours, you walk a very difficult and fine line between individual privacy and honoring the trust of the audience that's responsible for everything we do. So we promise that's not lost on us. We're doing our best to navigate it for the first time. As far as the timing and communication around all this, could we have handled it better? Of course, yes. We've taken your feedback to heart on that. Again, doing this for the first time, there was not a blueprint for how to do it. And there was a lot of travel and a lot of complications to this. Kevin's preference on when the statement would go out, we kind of let him take the lead on the statement and all that.

We agreed to just thought it would make sense to wait until after a hectic major week to share the news. That obviously, as I said, could have been handled better. We would have done things differently. So we note the feedback there. As far as going forward, our goal is still gonna remain the same as it's always been. We're here to inform and entertain

avid golf fans around the world. We still wanna push the envelope, do ambitious things on the podcast and on our video channels. And we appreciate everyone who's reached out and shown empathy. It's meant to last a lot to us as we work through, a very tough situation.

And of course we wish Kevin nothing but the best. I usually pride myself on smooth transitions. I do not have one here. But let's get to our weekly recap with our guest Shane Bacon. Shane, my friend, we used to do this way more often than we do these days. But welcome to the show. Great to have you back. Had to bring you know, 3M week had to bring in a heavy hitter to help to help recap this one. How are you, buddy?

Yeah, you know, I was thinking, I mean, early years it was like post masters and us open and I've graduated to, to 3M. So I really appreciate you having me. The masters and stuff is easy though. The 3M show is, is a difficult one. So that's, you know, that's your expert level, a quick run of show for this evening, going to talk a little pro golf, the 3M, you know, some news and notes from the PJ Tour, a little bit of live. Lottie Wode at the Scottish, we

actually also have a brief interview with Lottie Wode on the back half as well. And we're gonna do a little, I don't know what to call this segment, Shayna. Do you remember this? I don't think it's a very good, that's the way I kind of went with it. We're going to kind of throw some blind deep dive, mini dive stuff at each other, which is going to be fun. And in the course of doing that, I formulated a tiny little quiz that I'm going to give you. Because in my, I

didn't want to warn you what it was, I didn't want you doing any research on it. But I think you're gonna have fun with that one. Oh, by the way, Sully, is this the one you crack the high noons on? Is this the show or no? You can, you're more than welcome to this is not a high noon live show, but I appreciate the the plug for that one. My boy's been waking up at 257 I'm gonna I'm gonna skip the

alcohol tonight. So smart, smart. I had like a full parenting weekend. And Bert like an unexpected birthday party. Both kids at the beach one day, I need as much high noon as they can pump in the veins. I might join you maybe halfway through the show, but you're gonna give us some corn fairy guys to look out for, you do a lot of corn fairy coverage with our boy James Nitties as well,

we were hoping he could join us tonight, he had an unfortunate timing on a vacation, big vacation week for a lot of people. You're gonna give us some corn fairy storylines for the rest of the year and maybe the main event we're going to review happy Gilmore to at the very end. So you got to stick around at least until that one. But some winners from around the world, Kurt Kiteyama wins the three M walking Neiman. I just,

this is just auto AI formulates that this ends walking Neiman wins live UK Lottie Wode wins the Scottish open. We're going to react to that. Johnny, winner of the week, by the way, winner of the week, let wins live UK. Lottie Wode wins the Scottish open. We're gonna react to that Johnny. Winter of the week by the way, winter of the week. Let's give it to Lottie. Oh my gosh man. This is I'm getting you gotta stop me from getting overly

hyped about this one because what a summer she's had. And as I've given her 11 majors, he's gonna be all in on the maze. Gonna give her 15. You never know. What would you do Lottie Lottie or Nellie more career majors if you had to ask it right now. So what is does Nellie have two or three right now?

It's just two career or it's three, isn't it? Three. I mean, I feel like this is information we should know. I should don't absolutely know. No, it's just two. It's just two the women's PGA and the Chevron. It felt like Yeah, yeah. It felt like when she won Chevron last year that like they were going to start flowing in and it just hasn't happened since then. But I mean, I will go with Nelly just because she already has to. But I mean, the way Lottie's already played the majors in the game.

I listen, we love overhyping these people, right? I mean, this is the fun part. Any any new player that burst on the scene? I mean, I mean, Scotty, same way, right? I mean, what'd you say was that was the F? Dole number something like was it nine and a half or after the PGA was nine and a half now There is some like some, you know time value of money built into that as well Like there's not much incentive for them to set the line low and all that but you know Data golf did a dive into it too

And it was like he was he's more likely to win 10 than he was to like stop at four. I might be exaggerating that but like it it it is a really interesting analysis. But Johnny Kiefer wins the end in the five invitationally he said the PGA tour Hamilton Coleman wins the US Jr. Padraig Harrington wins the senior open at Sunningdale became the fifth person to win both the open and the senior open. That was a pretty cool set. Sunningdale is incredible. I got to watch a little bit of that

this morning. That was really good. But at the 3m, which is of course, where we got to start, we're gonna spend at least a couple hours on this one. Akshay Bhatia and Thorbjorn Olson enter the final round with a one shot lead over Kirk Kitayama, Takumi Kanaya, Sam Stevens and Jake Knapp. Four other golfers I think were within two shots of the league, classic summer leaderboard. Kitayama went out in 29, including birdies on five of his first six holes. That was the higher score he shot on the front nine this weekend, Shane,

cuz he shot a 28 on that front nine on Saturday, very real tournament. Not much drama on the back nine, a bogey on 17 for Kitayama made it, you know, a little bit interesting on 18, but cleared the water with his second shot, made part of win by one over Sam Stevens. Quick question for you there. If you're the middle of fairway, you got all you need is par to win. You got to cover the water.

You know, it's two 20. I think it was. I know these guys are different than us, but like if you're Kirk Kiteyama there, are you shipping that one? Cause it seemed like an automatic? Does he reach for five iron? Just like yeah, hit it over the water. I don't know if I'm shipping that one.

A wedge wedge seems like the best path to making part. Well, I mean, I think the problem is, is if you rinse it, it's the same shot again, right? I mean, I was, I was actually, it's funny you bring that up. I was watching it. I was thinking about Rory at 13, you know, when he laid up at Augusta and you kind of go, I don't know if laying up was the play there.

I mean, you kind of always go for this, right? And he lays up and then of course dumps that wedge in. If you hit that in the water, you're hitting a wedge, you know, and trying to make five. If you dump five iron in the water, you're hitting six iron and then trying to make like the most difficult five of all time. I do like the back bunker play. I mean, obviously it didn't end up at a good spot. It was kind of in the down slope there

and he had a really good bunker shot out of that. But I think when you're swinging the way he was swinging over the weekend, hit it. We'll see what happens. Yeah. I get it. I really do. But it was just like, man, if you catch this,

just a hair fat, like a little, he just doesn't seem to be affected by hair fat. A lot of guys hit it in the water. I mean, you think about the way Goddard played 18 for the week. Obviously, Nap was kind of posing on that second. It is, I think, a more intimidating shot than we probably think it is. So I think it's a good argument.

I mean, if you're sitting there in the press building after, I think it's worth asking, what's the thought process there? I do think the layup looks more difficult, too, though. It's one of those weird layups where you've got a lot of stuff in the way over there on the left side. So maybe it's you don't want to deal with that. You saw where Sam Stevens hit it, you know, when he kind of laid up left and hit it in a bad spot.

So maybe it's one of those if it was a bigger layup spot, you hit it over there. But if not, maybe you find the green or don't you're going to make five. Yeah, second PGA Tour win for Kurt Kitayama, of course, won Bay Hill in 2023. He moved from what he was outside the top 100. Uh, he moved from 110 to 53rd in the FedEx Cup and obviously locks up a two year exemption, uh, that comes with the win. I think he was exempt for next year anyways, because you get a three, I guess for a three year exemption for Bay Hill.

That's one of the ones that you get a three year exemption for, I would assume. So, um, what does Kurt Kiteyama make you feel anything special in particular on the golf course? I mean, the way he hit it this weekend did I mean, the proximity, the whole stuff was crazy. Would he make the cut by one? He made the cut by one going into the weekend and then wins the golf tournament at a golf tournament where you've got to go bananas low. I mean, that's not something you always see. You know, you'll see dudes make the cut a Tori close to the number and maybe have a chance when it's playing difficult. But in these, birdie fest kind of basically promoted KFT events.

It's like, normally, I mean, if you make the cut on the number, you go shoot 67, 68 and try to earn a few more points. I mean, doing something like this is kind of unheard of at a golf tournament like this considering how everybody was going so low. So I'd say that was fun. I mean, it's fun when he plays well. It was fun when he played well last year. What was it last year, year before, when he kinda got on that run.

It was pretty exciting stuff when he went on that run and it seemed like he was kinda in the hunt every week for about five weeks. But I mean, this is to me the argument for Pro FedEx Cup is this stuff. Like the last regular season events where guys can actually make a move and do something, even over the actual playoffs, like these two weeks are fun for the dudes

that haven't had good years and could actually change stuff. So like, I actually liked these last two weeks, maybe more than even the first two playoff events. Interesting. I just, I can't do TPC Twin Cities, man, especially after the open. It is just such a harsh, tough transition. You know, balls stop.

Kiteyama was under a tree in the rough at one point. Hit it like 12 feet. It stopped on the green so fast. It was just like, ah, I just died. It lands, and you're expecting it to rocket off the back. And he's like, oh, he's got 15 feet. Sweet. I was just, in that moment the back and he's like, oh, he's got 15 feet. Sweet. I was just in that moment.

I was thinking to myself, man, you had the you know, last week you gave albeit extremely minor, but you were giving critiques to Royal Port Rush is what you were doing last week. My friend talking to myself after we get TPC Twin Cities back in our life. But you know, CBS still does a really good job with the event. And Nance does it. If anything, I would think this would scream Andrew Catalan event. No offense to anyone, but I guess there's second

to last event of the year. And Ian Baker Finch announces that he's gonna be retiring at the end of next week as well. So I'm sure that's gonna be quite a lot of emotion with all that situation and everything. But I've grown to really appreciate IBF, I'm gonna be sad to see him go really familiar voice. I just feel like, again, ever since Trevor got into the booth, that the whole crew has just vibed really

well with each other. And it will be it'll be a little straight. I guess I have a different perspective on that. I mean, when Gary Koch and Roger Moppe were leaving, I was kind of like, yeah, it's probably time. And then when I hear them back on the broadcast, I'm like, ah, I kind of miss these guys. I guess I'm ahead of that with IBF. I think I'm gonna miss IBF more than I would've thought

a couple of years ago. Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, to your point on like the CBS broadcast team is, it just always rolls and vibes. You know, like everybody on the grounds and the booth is so good. And obviously sellers and the team, the way they shoot it, it looks good every single week.

Like every week feels like a big event. And when you put that whole crew together in that booth, like breaking it up, you know, kind of losing somebody there, it almost feels like when Clay kind of left the Warriors, you know, and you go, oh man, like I wanted these guys to left the Warriors, you know, and you go, Oh, man, like, I wanted these guys to all retire together, you know, what any any other notable performances or what sticks

out for you the rest of the leaderboard, we don't have to go one by one here. But for me, Jake Knapp, I think is an interesting one. We have an interview coming out this coming week with Ben Griffin, and he, I was just kind of surprised. Again, before this week, Griffin, like called out Jake Knapp as like a potential Ryder cupper and to do that he's playing really, really good golf and just like as they watch out for this guy.

I guess I watched the whole weekend with him, uh, you know, kind of through a different lens having been called out by one of his peers like that, but he is having a really good summer. And I think Ryder cup might be a little stretch at this point, but, uh, everybody's on the Ryder cups, Saul, you know that. I know, I know, I can't make it 40 players. I made it 11 minutes in before mentioning the Ryder Cup even. I made it pretty far.

I know I would say net and nap was one I love watching him play by the way. I think nap is creeping into my top five favorite dudes to watch play when he's grooving just the tempo and the speed off the wedges. I mean, I played golf this morning with a buddy. We were talking about the guys that are really good at taking speed off wedges but still flighting it. He might be like the best in golf.

I mean, Rory's gotten good at that as well. DJ, when DJ really primed up the wedges, was so good at those shots as well. But he's like, just the tempo through through the golf swing is so incredible yet having that much amount of speed. I'd say got her up is really high on my list in terms of guys having a great week. I mean, one of my big questions going into the post links golf seasons, like, can he keep this going? Right? Because, and

again, talking Ryder Cup, that was an argument, is he gonna make the team that we'll talk about that in a little bit. But the fact that he comes right out of the gate, completely different golf courses, completely different tests, completely different questions are getting asked, and to still have a great week. That was awesome. And then my last one's Pearson Cootie.

We're going to talk about KFT in a bit. Pearson's split his time between the Corn Ferry and the PGA Tour this season. That was a very good week. And it was good to see him play. Basically, he played the level of golf we've seen on the corn fairy tour now on the PJ tour this week. And, uh, I don't know how he's going to get his card, where he's going to get his card.

It's probably going to be through the corn fairy tour because he's basically played the same amount of events both sides, but that was very good golf from Pearson Cootie. Basically what we've seen all season line on KFT. It feels like there should be a spotter two or five or whatever for some kind of blended list. It just is, it still seems so weird to me that you not, a good result on the corn fray tour means nothing

on the PGA tour and a good result on PGA tour means nothing on the corn fairy tour. And it's probably more important to your point, Sully on the ladder, right? It's like, if you go play a whole bunch of PGA tour events, there's some guys we're gonna get to in a bit when we talk KFT, but you go through their PJ tour results, it's like, two starts and a couple of them are top 25. It's like,

that's impressive. That's more impressive than a top 15 or top 10 on the corn fairy tour yet it does nothing for your status on one side or the other. I would love a little bit more blend. I agree with you. The got her up thing is so interesting because you bring up Pearson Cootie and I made this point last week of just like there's just been this crew of young Americans that have come out and like. You know I wouldn't say been particularly hyped but it's like hey keep your eye on this guy keep your eye on you know the Michael Thor Bjornsson and like no one's really made that that leap really in recent years and got up seems to be kind of a little bit out of nowhere making that leap. It's so weird to have it this backwards. We're like, I think

links golf is the realest golf there is to be played out there. And he dominated that played incredible over there. And I almost like wanted him to reverse it like, Hey, can you come play the dumb golf too? Like I kind of want to see you do that as well. You know, the Americanization golf, this is not a, I don't think a great comp for Beth Page necessarily, but I need to see you do it on some really green grass and aerial ways and backspinning wedges control your spin, which is kind of more similar to the question that's going to get asked for that event.

And kind of, you know, is this going to be one of those situations where you were the hot guy and in the streets and on all the podcasts for a couple weeks for the Ryder Cup and you go away or is this going to be sustained and like off the backs of a win and a T3 at Port Rush and all the travel to get here to top 10 again is really, really impressive, man. And he's you have my curiosity. Mr. Gotterup, now you have my attention. Yeah, I mean, I 100% agree. And and saw you mentioned something off the top that I think is a great point. When is the last young dude that's popped? Like, who's the last young dude? I said that and I was like, I'm probably forgetting somebody that somebody I was. You said

it. I was kind of thinking about it, right? I mean, we had that we had that era, which is kind of wild to say, but I mean, it's been about a decade, right? Where it was speech and JT, and then right after that, it was Victor, and it was Colin, and it was Justin Suh and Matthew Wolf, right? All kind of come up at the same time. And you're thinking, OK, here's that next four-year later crop. Obviously, Scotty took a little bit longer to get there.

I guess maybe Ludwig is the latest dude. But I'm just wondering, somebody that's really popped, that came on the scene and started to win a whole bunch. And it felt like there was about a seven, eight, nine year stretch where we're almost getting them every couple of years and it's not really been the case as of late, maybe that's cause Scotty wins. Everything might be, I I'm stretching them, just looking, going down the rankings, stretching on this one to say Occhet, right?

I mean, he's been around for a while. Yeah. Uh, but he's 40th in the data golf rankings. Like there hasn't been a, a more Kawa, Hovland kind of arrival here in a couple of years, honestly. Um, but got it, got her up to, he was up to 27th in the rankings prior to this week and he's probably going to be on the rise closer to closer to 20th, uh, from there, which is like a, around more Kawa around Hovland around Ludwig. Robert McIntyre that that range so it gets pretty interesting pretty quickly.

Might be Johnny Kiefer by the way, we'll talk about him in a bit but Kiefer is the real deal since he's turned pro across the world. So we'll get into some of his I got some stats for you on Kiefer dude is unbelievable. We're gonna I promise we will get to that. Before we do I want to say the new Hyperflex golf shoe from Footjoy continues to be a standout on tour. We're seeing a bunch of the world's best players put it

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I've shared a lot of my takes in there. I just want to, I want to hear from you. I'm going to try to keep my, uh, people are very, very upset with me for reasons. I'm still trying to figure out about anything I say about the Ryder Cup. So I need somebody from outside. Uh, I need something that's not going to tell me that all the captain does is order Jersey mics for the team. So I respect your opinions on a lot of these things that I want to hear what

you think. But what are the biggest Ryder Cup storylines in your opinion at this moment? All right. So my first one I wrote down is does Keegan get cute? That's my question, because I think you've made this point. I've heard it a few other places as well. When you talk about Ryder Cup stateside, the tried and true guys, the bros club, the dudes club, they've won and they've done really well. Now obviously we're not gonna have DJ, we're not gonna have Brooks this time around.

But the Jordans, the Justins, the Cantlay's, the Zanders, that crew has been extremely successful in this iteration of the Ryder Cup. The question is, does Keegan get cute, right? Does he go with a god or up? Does he go with a Ben Griffin? Does he go kind of off the board and pick somebody to me that kind of resembles who he was a few years back, right? I think that's the question I wanna know. I also wonder if he's gonna favor names like that because he knows what it feels like to play your way quote unquote on the team yet not get picked. And I wonder if he leans more towards what the Ryder Cup has looked like over the last 8-10 years or does he try to go a little bit more Keegan like and pick some guys that have been better this year but maybe don't have that level of experience. That's my first thing. By the way, I think Keegan should be on the team.

I know you've basically leaned pretty heavily against it. My thing, I think Keegan is a top 12 team. I know you basically lean pretty heavily against it. My thing I think Keegan is the top 12 player. I got another writer cup question for you. Go ahead. Before you before you go past that who is the like there's got to be a name you leave off if you if you put them on the team, right? And that's kind of my overall point on the whole thing is like, all right, now Keegan, you've put yourself in this spot where they're one of these names, you're gonna have

to leave off and we're gonna assume that just assume the rankings stay the way they are, Scotty, Xander, JJ, Russell Henley, Bryson, and Harris English. I don't think, I think those guys are gonna make the team regardless, Harris English, I guess you could say, if he misses the next three cuts. He gets hurt. He's got to get on the team, man.

He's played great golf this year, yeah. He's probably up. He's almost certainly on. So you're, to fill out the remaining six, there's Justin Thomas. On. There's Colin Morikawa. On. That's seven. Or that's eight. There's Ben Griffin.

You think he's on for sure? I'm just naming names. You're going to have to keep one of these guys off to put Keegan on. Keegan would be the fourth there. Can't lay. Got her up. Burns. Spieth you gotta take two off now at this point. Yeah, so it quick like cool who you swinging the hammer on on those when you when I bring up those names to put kicking on the team. I mean I know can't lace played really well in the Ryder Cup. He has not played great golf this year. I think can't lays one of those players that I'm probably going

to ask, especially if you have a conversation with Xander, are you comfortable playing with somebody else? That's another thing and we'll get to that in a bit in terms of storylines I have. But you just got it, you know, we talk about the Ryder Cup is 12, right? And and Zinger made it four. It was four and four and four and four, right? I almost now look at the Ryder Cup is two. Like, who are you playing with? Who are you gonna go out there and battle with? It depended on the format, but simply who are you putting the names you listed as the top six, top seven, top eight names? Who are they gonna play golf with, be comfortable with, and be successful with?

So I've got Scottie and Henley, right? They can play together, they can be successful. I think there's a likelihood that Sam Burns is not gonna make this team, but you got Scottie and you got Henley. And I think that's a successful duo that can play together. I think you can put Burns on the team. I think you should not put him on the team just to have Scotty babysit him. I think his golf has been better than people would probably realize, but I don't think he has to be the Scotty pairing. That'd be the wrong way to frame it or think about it, I think. Yeah, and I think, I mean, the thing about Scottie is at this point, feels like he could put them with anybody.

I mean, I know we said that back in the day about Tiger, Tiger and Scotty personality wise very different people, right? I feel like Scotty be excited to play with any of these guys. And obviously Scottie's game is going to speaks for itself. I got JT and Jordan. I mean, I don't know if you run that back. I feel like they might lean back into that. You got Xander and can't lay right. I don't know if you run that back. I feel like they might lean back into that. You got Xander and Cantlay, right?

I kind of like Bryson Spahn a little bit. What are your thoughts on Bryson Spahn as a duo? This is not good content. I'm so hesitant to do pairing stuff on guys I don't. I know the US has done the work on Scotty and Henley, like works mathematically for whatever reason that might be. And I don't have the inputs of all that, but I could see that. I can also see Bryson and Scotty playing together in a four ball like they did at Whistling Straits. I know their profiles are very different now, but I think you could see differences in where guys would play in foursomes versus four ball as well.

That's what like the nerd, the nerd stati stuff would spit out as well. Yeah. But the reason I'm saying this is I'm simply going down the list and thinking, okay, you got Harris English, like, like who is Harris English going to vibe with? They could probably vibe with a lot of players. Who does this game vibe with? Then you got Keegan, who I think is going to be more of a veteran presence on this team. And it seems like the type of player that's more comfortable in terms of playing under the pressure that he maybe was 678 years ago. And you got more a cow floating around right a lot of team experience. So I think once you start to look at those names, you've got a lot of veteran names and players available if you wanted to get cute and throw somebody in there right? A Ben Griffin, or based on names you've thrown out, you have to cut your, it sounds like you're cutting Griffin and Burns. If you're putting, can't lay on.

Burns is not on my writer cut. And that's fine. That would probably be, it would not be on mine either, but Griffin, you're cutting then. I mean, I don't want to cut Ben Griffin, but I think I'm cutting them right now. Just because again,

I think they're gonna lean heavily into the names that have done well stateside versus not. But again, the question I ask is, is Keegan going to get cute? Like does he get cute or does he go with the standard that has been successful in stateside Ryder Cubs for the American squad? My next question for you, does Justin Rose make the team? Justin Rose played awesome golf early this season, and then he was lost on the golf course.

Now he's found it a bit as of late, but when you look at the European squad, you talk about filling out names. There's not a lot of open spots on the European side of things. Obviously, Justin Rose, you heard him talk early in the season when he was playing great. This was a goal of his.

I wonder if Justin Rose is going to make the team simply by the numbers, right? I mean, this isn't anything more than making 12. And when you go through the 12 on the European side, what are there two spots available? Is that it? Yeah, so the on the European side will go Rory, Robert McIntyre, Fleetwood, Hatton, Lowry, Straka are your top six. That's not a guarantee that they'll stay that way. Sep is hanging on kind of thinly on that sixth spot. Rasmus Hoygard would be seven, knocking down the door.

Again, probably not a guarantee, but I'd say quite likely at this point. Ludwig would be eight. Victor would be nine. Rom would be 10. And that's where you get into that Fitzpatrick. On the team, I think the way he's playing is of late. I just don't think you leave Fitzpatrick off this team right now, considering, you know, the resume the last what?

Three months since the PGA. Yeah. And yeah, it's a surprise. A couple of months ago, we were completely dismissive of his chances, but he's, he's obviously found his game. I wonder with the Rose thing, if, if the golf course is going to play a factor there, like he was a captain's pick in Rome, where they were able to set up the golf course, you know, set up the pairings

and be in control of how they were going to use him. And that it works in a genius way like escaped his matches by the skin of his teeth with Robert McIntyre and got lucky with the opponents they went up against, but it worked like it totally worked. And when that's out of your control on the road, and it is gonna be looking like, as it's trending more and more, more of a distance likely,

like likely that the US will lean to the distance factor, I wonder if that's gonna play against him. And he has been bad over the last three months. I mean, straight up 0.00 strokes gained. That's what he's back at over the last three months. Like, that's a level again, I don't believe in printing off the strokes game sheet and making your team out of that. But you look at it and you say this guy's playing not great

golf. It's it's tricky. Now his career record in the Ryder Cup 14, nine and three. And a wily vet I just I think if you get that far down, I think you're you're reaching for somebody with some distance. Honestly, I I don't. I don't think that he would fit as of right now. Yeah, I mean and you look at the two majors that are going to most resemble what Beth plate page is going to play

like and you probably lean PGA in US Open and he played awful at both of those majors. So I don't think he probably makes the team, but I do think it's going to be a lengthy question as we get closer and closer to it. I mean, if he starts playing awesome golf again, maybe plays his way on, but I think he's out. Now here's my last question.

I don't want you, you're not drinking anything right now, right? Not yet. You're good, okay. Don't, I don't want you rolling your eyes. This is a legitimate question for you. Is Wyndham Clark totally off the American team? Not totally off. That's not an eye rolling question.

Okay. He's played some good golf. Again, for this golf course, I think there's a chance that could make sense. I think they're running out of spots though, especially I mean, Keegan's very clearly going to pick himself. And at that, you know, if JT and Spieth aren't going to make it on points, and I don't think Spieth's a guarantee either. Every time I bring that up, I say, that's kind of with the expectation that I think he's going to play some good golf and make it pretty obvious he's one of the 12 best Americans. Still kind of waiting for that. And

there's not a lot of opportunities left for him. I think it's still likely based on the names he's going up against. I don't think Ben Griffin has overshadowed him in a way that I know to a lot of people at home and they seem like it but like numbers wise that doesn't quite check out and his name carries some extra weight. I don't think it would take a really good playoff run from Wyndham Clark but we've seen that from guys. I mean you remember in 2018 Bryson went and won two playoff events now like Wynton was Ryan Moore Ryan Moore years ago right? That was the the Horschel rule when they did in 2016,

which thankfully they've gotten rid of that one. So getting close sent to him like on the road. That was so dumb. We picked it the week but the Sunday before the last Ryder Cup spot, just the last final guy. They set that up so bad because it was like, even if you wanted it, they take they took three captain's picks and left the last one for the last week, the Horschel rule because Horschel went and won two playoff events

in 2014, but the team was already set. And they went to the way that works is like you you if you had the fourth guy that you wanted to take, you knew who it was going to be, you couldn't do it. And if they went and had a bad final tournament, you couldn't take them anymore because it was all about picking the hot guy. And remember that night, that was the night Arnold Palmer died.

And it's the same night. Because it was supposed to be a big rollout during Sunday night football that night. And that happened, it was a super, super weird vibe. Everyone thought it was going to be Bubba. And they ended up changing at the last second, it was very strange. So, but-

It was 2016, now obviously they won that Ryder Cup. I wanna see what, I wanna see what Ryan, did Ryan Moore play much or no? I totally guess and I think he went, he got the clenching point. I think he went two and one, two and one. Nice job there, Solly, very impressed. Two and one, two matches, and beat Lee Westwood one up. There you go. Nice work. So that's where like, again, not to redo the whole Keegan thing about getting cute is an interesting way of

phrasing it. I've like, dude, you guys have dominated this event at home the last two times. The most recent time was the widest margin of victory in the history of the modern rider cup, which is saying a lot. I know that was a COVID year. I know that was weird. And if you just look again, and again, this doesn't always matter, but it helps a lot when you're, you know, the home team, like if you look at.

Trend plays over the last six months, you got the best player. You might have the second best player with Bryson and like you are eating them up in the middle range. Like once you get past Rory, Rom Fleet Fleetwood and Straka over the last six months, the next names are Keegan, JJ Spahn, Harris English, Patrick Cantley, Xander Shofley, Colin Moore, Coward, Jordan Spieth, before you get to Victor Hovland, who's been the fifth best European over the last six months. And again, you can throw strokes gained out when you get there.

Like it doesn't fucking matter. I get that. I understand that, but I guess I guess there's been this sentiment for this entire year that Europe is dominating and playing so much better and the US is majorly in trouble. They might be in trouble, but it's not because Europe's dominating the golf course right now. Yeah. I mean, I think there's something to be said about when you have a home game, you have people out there that people want to root for. I mean, I think that's a part of this. And like Jordan's a guy that golf fans want to go watch and root for, right? Jordan's a guy that's going to get fans going crazy. I mean, this is no knock to Ben

Griffin, but that's a different situation if it's Justin Thomas, Ben Griffin, or Justin Thomas, Jordan Spieth on the third hole, right? At Bethpage. It's a different situation. And the fans matter. I mean, of all the golf events in the world, the fans matter. The fans matter at this golf event. The most it's one, it's two, it's three, it's four, it's five on the list. And I think sometimes having those names for a home game matters a little bit more. To your point, Sully, and I think you've been you've been beating this drum and I think it's a great point and I agreed with you every time you said it. The margin's not that different. This isn't Scottie and then somebody else, to your point about Keegan. And I think you've made this point about Keegan a lot. And again, I hope Keegan makes the team.

I hope he picks himself. But if you took Keegan or Wyndham Clark, there's not a humongous difference in terms of the player, right, at this point and who they are on the golf course. I think you've got to think a little bit more about, if it's equatable to player by player, what are they going to do for the team in the room? What are they going to do for the team on the golf course?

What are the fans going to think? What are they going to do in terms of an entertainment product? And then maybe that's why they roll out similar names every single year. Yeah, it's yeah. I again, for the 50th time, I would put Keegan on the team. He wasn't the captain. I think when you are the captain, like having decided it right now, you're deciding between yourself and Ben Griffin, I think right now. Yeah. Or Jordan Spieth. And I just like that

they got some really funky spot to put yourself in. And again, if you're going off past results right now, you Keegan, you rank higher on the strokes game. Like you, you win that, but it's, that's not what this is about. It's who's going to play the best and what's the best effect for for for the whole team. And I guess my problem, my current problem with the situation is it seemed like he's already made up his mind. It's the it seems like he's picking himself and it's not been even the way he like qualified it of like, yeah, if the team asked me

to play, I'll play on it or if I feel like I can, you know, the team needs me or that I can really help the team, I'll do it. It seems like he's already made, you know, the team needs me or that I can really help the team, I'll do it. It seems like he's already made up his mind. Again, it's a dangerous spot, but probably won't matter anyways, but it doesn't mean I'm not gonna get a lot of content out of this.

I'm gonna guess there was probably a checklist amongst him and the vice captains, and they were thinking, what do we gotta do over the next four months if I'm gonna make the team? And I'm assuming a win was a part of it. And I think after the win at the Travelers plays well at the open, at least what he played for three rounds, he played well.

It's just, it seems like if you were checking the list as Keegan, the captain into the playing captain, all those boxes got checked and they said, okay, now you're on the team. Let's kind of focus on something else. Yeah. It does seem seem to be the case. A couple of things from the three of us. You move on out of you saw this. Do you see Patton?

Cause I are hit the three M logo in the pond on 18 and it bounced off and he made birdie bounce. It cleared the water and he made birdie. God, it's so sick. Why do we not have more of this stuff? They had to move. They should have like a floating fairway. I think and if you hit it on there in a case now,

now you gotta get to it. I think that would be a cool thing like you gotta swim to it. I think that would be a cool thing. Like you gotta swim to it. You know, is this a happy Gilmore 2 review because it's starting to sound like the couple of those final seeds there. But later in the bunker, but it's like why not throw a couple of if you're

the 3M and it's like alright, by the way on 18 we've got this 10 yard by 10 yard wide fairway that floats. And if you hit a if you completely flare one out there and it stays on it, you can get to the get to the fairway. floats. And if you hit a, if you completely flare one out there and it stays on it, you can get to the fairway however you see fit. Gosh, that was one of the highlights of the week that they had to move the floating ad in the middle of the pond.

It was like, that is the most PGA tour thing I think I've ever heard of. Most like summer PGA tour that I think I'd ever heard of. Not much movement in the standings is noteworthy, but Nikolai Hoygard is now one spot out of the playoffs. Keith Mitchell two spots out. So those are a couple guys to follow this week at Windom. They always do a really good job kind of highlighting all the storylines. And I think Chris Kirk played well this week and now he's what 73rd or something.

So he's kind of right there as well. He moved. That's exactly right. He moved up from 77 to 73rd. And then yeah, Maddie Schmidt is holding holding onto the last spot as of right now. Uh, that, but again, that's for there'll be more, uh, that's to get into the playoffs. And then the top 100 is where the status lies. Uh, and we have Joel, this, uh, this sucked Joel Damon made triple bogey on the 18th

hole to fall from 15th at the time, I think outside the top 30, uh, which put them at one Oh one on the FedEx cup list, the top a hundred keep their card this year started the week 99th. Uh, that was made nine, by the way, the, the putt for eight, uh, I wouldn't necessarily say it went in the middle. So he did not think he made it. Uh, that was, uh, not, not fun to watch from, uh, from our guy, Joel Damon. Well, just go stuff it this week, Joel, and take the drama out of this one. Matt Wallace moved up to 92nd in the FedEx Cup from 123rd.

David Lipski up to 88th from 115. Sully, I don't know who said it on the broadcast, but somebody mentioned Matt Wallace making a run for the Ryder Cup team. And I was thinking to myself, I don't know about that. I don't think he's gonna be on it. You forgot the key here, which is from June on if somebody has a good run on any one single day, they just hit the Ryder Cup button. And it's an automated statement that comes out here like could this guy be,

wait until we get to the playoffs. The playoffs is where it gets really, really fun. Chris Kirk's gonna hit a a couple of good shots. Could he be in the running for a final spot? It is. Solly, before the Ryder Cup picks, you guys need to get like Cody or somebody to rip together every name that's been thrown out

on the pods over the last six months that should be on the team and just see how many you can go with. That's, yeah. A lot of Tron. They put me through hell in the Andrew Novak stuff. I mean, that was a really tough one. And I really like Andrew Novak. I really like Andrew Novak,

but they got a little swept up in that one. But I'm assuming you caught a lot of Liv UK. I know you're a big, you know, your big Legion 13. I mean, freaking Joaquin Neiman wins again. I mean, I don't know if it necessarily does anything for me. I mean, the Neiman major thing kills me. And I, you know, I do this CBS YouTube show I do with Patrick McDonald. And after he played terrible at the open, I thought it was a great golf course for him.

Obviously he was playing well. And when he MC'd there, I'm like, I'm done with Neiman until he does something to the major. And I know he topped in at the PGA, but every single major, it's extremely unimpressive. And you can win live. And listen, winning matters. That's true. This guy shot two rounds in the 60s this year in the majors. Two rounds in the 60s in the majors this year.

Got to do more there. 26 career majors, zero top fives, one top 10, five top 25s, nine missed cuts in the majors for Neiman. He's in theory a better golfer than that. So I just need to see more there before I can get too excited about the live victories. Yeah, I mean it's, I want to come up with something different to say on this, but like well when you have a tour that is of 54 guys and 30 ish let's call them are real competitive golfers and you know five to eight of them maybe top 50 players in the world it's not crazy to win five of 11 events like it's incredibly good golf he beat baba

today i mean no offense to baba but come on like what are we doing here it just like is it's not helping the legitimization of this league. I think to you know to when you it's an unfair burden for him to carry into majors like you got to play well. Is this not saying there's not great golfers on live Bryson and Rom are incredible golfers. Terrell Hatton is an incredible golfer. Brooks Koepka was an incredible golfer and there's a bunch of other like solid

top 100 players on this tour but it's just not it just you could win the next three as well. And I would still just say like, it's a waste of your talent still like I'd rather see you compete on the much more competitive tour. And it would be a lot easier to put your greatness into context than what we're currently seeing. That's not a not a new take. Like I dude, I'm kind of out on things to I almost like don't even want to cover the live stuff in

passing on the pod anymore, because it's it's just become such a backseat thing. Like it used to be dramatic. And there would be great fun things to talk about. Every week hilarious things ever since Norman left, honestly, it's just become kind of dull. It just doesn't. It doesn't even spike much of emotion in anything here. I it's all when it happens on Friday, it's like, I forgot there's little bit this week, but 63 at ribs still lives with me for yeah. And I mean, obviously we've seen that level of talent.

We you know, we think he won his first PJ tour event by five or six shots. You know, I mean, the dude's an incredible player. It just, again, the only time we see him play everybody, he doesn't play good golf. And I think that's the knock on him for me is- And I think if he was playing on the PJ tour, I think he'd be winning. Like a hundred percent.

Like, it's not like that. I don't think he could win on the PJ tour. That's not the take here. It's just like, I don't know. I compare it to Gonzaga winning their conference game, the conference. It's just like I, I don't know, I compare it to Gonzaga, winning their conference game, the conference championship, and everyone got mad because I didn't know the conference, I still don't know what conference they're in. I don't follow college basketball

anymore. But like, that's kind of where it's at, like, yeah, I mean, we know you're good. But like, you're just beating up on a bunch of dudes that I'm not supposed I don't I don't have to respect this is not in my contract that I have to respect this. Now, now, I'll say this, I, I mean, how many wins is it? It's seven in the last two years and five this year alone. Like, I mean, I, I, like, I respect that for what it is. I respect the, the,

like that's dominant over a lot of, you know, like you mentioned, 10 dudes that can really play. Like that's very impressive that you're doing that there. And the fact that you're doing that this consistently, kudos and flowers to you. But again, there's a whole nother step to pro golf. And you've yet to take that step. I mean, you just have not done it yet in your career.

And so am I impressed as hell by what you do on live? Absolutely. That's incredible, dude. Keep winning them. Get to 10. Get to 15, whatever the case may be. But I need two top 10s next year, two top fives next year to major, get in the hunt.

Like I thought he'd play extremely well at Port Rush. I just looked at that golf course with the forecast we were going into it and I was sitting there going, if ever a golf course for Joaquin Nieman, it's this one. And then EMC's, you know. It's not too late for him either. I think there's a lot. I can't even do the math on how much money

he must have made from Liv. Which reminds me. He's 26 years old. He's 26 years old. I mean, Phil Mickelson, when his first major, was he 33? 33, yeah. Yeah, so it's like, I mean, we are not bashing Joaquin Nieman in terms of what he can be. It's just when we want to see you be great,

you've yet to provide us any of that. Yeah, yeah. And listen, he's going to be a very, very, very wealthy man, already a very wealthy man, which reminds me, I want to thank our friends at SoFi, the all-in-one finance app for sponsoring today's episode. The average golfer spends about $2,500 every year on golf, according to a recent study by Stitch Golf. It's a lot of money to spend on the game. I think Eamon makes

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said Rom has no intention of paying any fines per the report which again if that would just not gonna pay it's a calling of a bluff but I think that would mean he would not play on the 2027 Ryder Cup team at Adair Manor and a source also told the Telegraph Sport there would be an outrage if the tour caved in the point is that the tour fully expected the peace negotiations between the PGA tour and the Saudis to have been settled by now so they kicked this can down the road happy in the beliefGA Tour and the Saudis to have been settled by now. So they kicked this can down the road, happy in the belief it wouldn't matter. But with the no deal in the pipeline, anything but in fact,

there's a huge problem looming. Also a quote, at that point, unless the impasse between the two parties is broken, or the tour changes its rules, or even quits the strategic alliance with the PGA Tour and rose in with the Saudis, it is inevitable that the Europe Ry rider cup will be weakened for the match in Ireland in 2027. These are uncertain times and there's a lot of angst about what happens next. Shane, I, I, I've really, really, really hard for me to feel any sympathy for the live guys and their inability to pay the fines from the DP World Tour that they want to remain members of when the numbers of the amount of money that they have

been paid directly by this league on top of this league paying their fines for them. If you really want to play on the Ryder Cup. Yeah, John, it might cost you $2 million. Whatever it is. Do we know what the number is? Like, did you know what they have to pay? I don't I don't know why I want to say it's like 100K a week. Like, wasn't that a thing? I feel like that's been thrown out,

but 100K every time you play a live tournament, I think, I do not quote me on that. I'm pulling that out of my ass. Cause I don't think we know, but that would be my guess. So yeah, you know, every time you do tee it up, you gotta shed 100K, which I get is a lot of money. But if you're John Rahm, that's allegedly making in the hundreds of million dollars from this league, like, it's a cost

of doing business, man. Terrell Hatton maybe hurt you just a little bit more. But if you want to play in this event, I mean, I get on its surface. Do you want to pay over a million dollars to play in the Ryder Cup? I probably not. But you also kind of sacrificed part of your career to go get the bag and you've gotten that you're getting the bag over there. So just pay it. Uh, so we can watch you play in one of the best events in golf.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, longer the days of, of, uh, of Tiger and Phil, uh, and Deval say, and we need to get paid for the Ryder Cup. Now you've got to pay a million bucks to play in it. Uh, by the way, the, the, the whole manager saying, uh, we're not going to pay at screams office space, like I'd never really liked paying bills anymore. I'm just, just don't think I'm going to pay in it. By the way, the whole manager's saying, we're not going to pay at Scream's office space. I never really liked paying bills anymore. I just don't think I'm going to pay them anymore.

It's fine. I'm good. But yeah, I think it's just a tax. It's a tax for making this enormous boat and bag for so many of these guys. It depends on who's going to call the bluff. Are the live guys and the names they're going to say we're not going to play in the Ryder Cup and that affects the Ryder Cup or does the Ryder Cup say you got to pay this not

going to play and that affects the players and I think it just basically goes you know it goes down that road if you're John Rom to your point Sully how much do you want to play in this thing and I think that's it's basically to come down to that but it is why I just find it so wild that money gets talked about this much in and around live. It seems like every couple of weeks, right? Something else is thrown around, and it's all about the financials.

And you almost get, like you said, you almost get immune to it. You forget how much the fines are. You don't even remember what the numbers are, because you've heard so many numbers for the last four years of all this stuff thrown our way. So Rom on live alone, I believe this is per Spoh track, and I don't think it counts this week.

It could it might. I don't know as made on the course $49.7 million. I think he's played 25 events. How much 49.7? He won. That's not the bonus, right? That's not the only one right? That's not the bonus. It was allegedly $300 million. Now I believe that is

not all upfront from what I've heard. But so again, you're averaging two and a half million a week. So you, you know, your Friday's work, it's your Friday and your half the front night on Saturday to go play in the Ryder Cup and still maintain kind of your dignity honestly, you know, as far as representing the game of golf. I got Haddon at $25.6 million on the course. On course. So again, it's about a million dollars a week. So I'd be, you know, you have to give up a full week in live London to be able to play in the Ryder Cup.

But I don't know, man, if it was me that had been part of my my math on on joining there was like, yeah, look, there's just like a crazy amount of money to play in one single event. But like, look at it, look at this holistically, this is gonna have to make sense. And on this, it's, it's also kind of like a country club expense. Like, hey, like on the, you know, the true analysis here, does this make sense? No, but I need this for a convenience factor and how it fits into the grander scheme of my life right

now. That's, that's kind of how I would view this if I was that. Uh, Sully, have you ever done the breaking down how much you paid per round a year for your country club? Just mentally. Uh, cause I used to be, oh my gosh, was I absolutely gaming the system back when it was cheaper and I could play more. Now as you get older and you play less, it's like starts to- You're like, it's Pebble Beach tea time almost every time you play golf.

Now I've spent $500 around, I played twice this month. Yeah, don't do that by the way. And also if your significant other does not play golf, also don't bring that up to them because that's a road you don't to go down. Yeah. So anyways, there'll be, I guess, an interesting story to follow. Um, but that shouts to the Telegraph for reporting that one. Shane, uh, at the Scottish open Lottie wode on the backs of winning the Irish open,

uh, finishing T three at the Evian. She goes out and wins the lady Scottish open. Are we, are we fine? Just go ahead and get carried away here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. One by six is an AM wins by three this week. I was looking through her, her finishes in majors as an amateur. I mean, this is like, this is like Scotty on the LPGA to me, you know, I mean, I just think the way she can just dominate fields. I think the most impressive stat of Scotty's is how many victories or three shots or more.

And Lottie just blows fields out. So I think absolutely hell yes, let's get fired up about this. I hope she keeps it going. I mean, obviously we did a little bit of this with Rose Zhang, but it feels a little bit different than Rose. I'm all in on Lottie. Lottie, I want her to win 12 majors. Let's go.

I think the only thing stopping me is the Rose situation, which is probably unfair. Rose has had some injuries and is still completing her degree. Like that's- What a college. Yeah. So, and that, I believe she finishes that up

in December of this year or somewhat soon. So I think we're going to see Rose 2.0 and be reminded of what that level of talent is. But man, I really love watching Lottie Wode play golf. It is, I take away from the Gus National Women's Amateur was just the fearlessness, man. Like, and we're going to get to our interview with her shortly. The first question I asked her was just like, is there something more going on underneath that? Like, because it doesn't look like you don't look nervous. You don't look like you're you're dealing with anything again coming from somebody who just played a golf tournament

this past week like flipping on golf it didn't go well for me flipping on golf and watching people just straight dominate like that that perspective next to each other was again just kind of like a you almost need that reminder you need that reminder every now and then of like how much of freaks these people are and to just come out and your first pro start and she didn't blow the field away but she won rather easily there on the 18th hole and man it's it's an incredible start to the summer and I'd be curious where she is on the odd sheet for the AIG women's open rolling right into a major week after this is got

to be pretty darn exciting for her. But I mean like you mentioned the demeanor. I mean, isn't this the Scotty demeanor like it just looks super easy and chill and relaxed and he pretty darn exciting for her. But I mean, like you mentioned the demeanor. I mean, isn't this the Scottie demeanor? Like it just looks super easy and chill and relaxed. And he gets fired up at a time or two, obviously, on the golf course. Most people do. But that demeanor seems to be the modern day demeanor.

I mean, you think back to the 2000s and the best players in the world, Phil was pretty chill in terms of being on the golf course. But I mean, obviously, Tiger would get up and down. And he'd get fired up. And he'd get really excited. And it feels like the best modern players are the ones that just kind of take

whatever is thrown at them and they go with it. And you know, you think about Xander, right? Amazing demeanor. Nellie, I feel like has an amazing demeanor. And I mean, this is another player that kind of fits in that mold of like, this is the easiest stuff I've ever done in my life. I can't believe you guys think this is so hard.

Do you think she can reach, I wanted to say number one in the world, but do you think she, at this time next year, you think she'll be a top five player in the world? Hell yeah, yes. I mean, I'd be shocked if she wasn't. I think she'd be one. Like, you know what, I'd say this too, Solly,

the cool thing about this is you were talking about Rose, like obviously Rose going through all the things you know, you know what? I'd say this to Sally. The cool thing about this is you you were talking about Rose like obviously Rose going through all the things you mentioned, right? Injury, completing college, all those things. If we get her back to 100% rose that we saw bursting on the scene outside of amateur golf into the pro circuit, this could be really cool. I mean, having kind of an international player and an American player kind of going head to head, it'd be great for the Solheim and obviously be great for women's golf. I mean,

this is the dream, right? You think back to the the battles we had with Annika, and it was kind of like Annika and Julie, right? And then Carrie Webb and Annika was like, always kind of these battles, and you got a glimpse of it. But having that in modern times, I think would be awesome. I mean, I think it would be great for the LPJ. And obviously, they could market the hell out of that, too. Yeah, gosh.

Well, without any further delay, we chatted with her shortly after she won earlier this morning. Here's our quick chat with Lottie Wode. All right, Lottie, tell me there's something more going on underneath the surface nerve wise while you're in contention of a golf tournament.

Cause if I'm watching on television, certainly doesn't look like there is from your emotions and there does not seem to be from the way you've played. But just please, please, please for those of us sitting at home, tell me that there's some nerves going on underneath that. Yeah, I mean, there definitely was at the start, hit a pretty bad tee shot on one, but got it going and didn't really know the score most of the way

because there's like no leaderboard. So I knew I was probably up there, but I didn't know I'd been caught and you way, because there's like no leader awards. So knew I was probably up there, but I didn't know I'd been caught and everyone told me I was caught after. So didn't really have any of that to be nervous about, but knew going down 18, I had a two shot lead. So that was pretty comfortable. So that was nice.

How are you, you've had an incredible run here in your last few tournaments as an amateur, and now this is your first start as a professional with the win. How are you sleeping on some of these leads? Obviously it's working out quite well for you, but you had a big lead at the Irish Open and you closed out the 54 hole lead here this week as well. How are you handling all of those overnights? I mean, it's been fine so far.

Highline was probably a bit easier. I didn't think I would lose a seven shot, but two shots around, especially with the I mean, it's been fine so far. Highline was probably a bit easier. I didn't think I would lose a seven shot, but two shots around, especially with the more wind and potentially the rain we had forecast today, two shots didn't feel like a lot. So it was probably a little bit harder, but generally it's been OK. Are you, you know, then try to be as honest with me here as possible. Are you at least a little bit surprised at the level of which you're playing?

Obviously your potential has been on display for a long period of time. Everyone remembers you winning the Augusta National Women's Amateur, but to come out and have this much success this quickly, are you, how does that rate in terms of what your realistic expectations were for this summer? Yeah, I think so. I'd always hoped I would get my card at some point this summer. Didn't exactly know when that would be. And, um, you can never expect to, you know, BB winning golf

tournaments straight off the bat, especially on the LPGA. So didn't, didn't expect that, but I think I showed myself at different times throughout the years that, um, I could compete out here and they're playing in the majors and stuff like that. So, um, I think I definitely knew I had the game for it, but you can never plan to win and just try and, you know, give yourself a chance really. Was there anything in particular from the close call at Evian that you took away as, you know, something to improve on or who definitely the next time you're in

contention, I mean, you played yourself into contention on that final day and had an incredible final day just coming up just a little bit short. I'm just wondering if there's anything you walked away saying internally, I need to channel this. This is how I can improve on this going forward. I think I mean, obviously I played the last three holes in par, which isn't great. Was probably a bit not as aggressive as I would have liked on the part on 17 kind of in, which wasn't ideal. And then the tee shot on 18 was the one, I guess, I probably think back on the shot I'd like back. Just, I mean, yeah, I mean, those are the only shots I was thinking about, but I couldn't be

too disappointed with the 64, to be honest. No, I, when I was writing that question out, I was like, all right, well, she shot 64, like, we nitpicking that much here, but I just was mostly curious of how you, when you're chasing, it can be, you tell me, I've never been in this situation. When you're chasing, it can be easier to play carefree in the earlier parts of that day. But once you realize you're right there in contention, you've been in contention in major tournaments and won major tournaments I don't mean literally major but just big events as an amateur I was just curious if that felt any different

Kind of being coming down the stretch of being in contention in a major championship because you're about to be playing in one Here very shortly as well um, I actually think this one probably was a bit more nerve-racking because I think this one probably was a bit more nerve wracking because at the start of the day, I was starting around 20th and was just honestly trying to make sure I got my card for the top 25 and then had a good start and was like, oh, well, at least worst case I'm gonna have my card.

So it was like a backup. So it was kind of just playing pretty freely. What is, if you're gonna store away a shot you hit this week or a moment from this week, just like to pull confidence from in the future, like what's the image, what's, if you're going to store away a shot you hit this week or a moment from this week, just like to pull confidence from in the future, like what's the image, what's the shot you hit that where you were either the most proud of the shot you'll remember, remember the most. Um, I think probably my shot into 17, um, just making a bogey on the, the

previous hole in a pretty bad shot and then, um, left laid up off the team had, went a pretty bad shot in and laid up off the tee and had, I think maybe 175 and so decent shot and hit it really nicely to about 10 feet. And that kind of wrapped it up from there with her not making a E or birdie on the last. Was it difficult on 18 to see a couple wayward tee shots from your playing partners before you hit yours? Yeah, it was, I was trying not to look.

When I saw the first one go right, I was like, oh no, and then the second one. But yeah, I was just trying to make sure I just flied it down and then moving the tee up actually made the tee shot probably a bit more difficult. But yeah, I was just, I was making sure I didn't overcompensate and go left. Well, that's why I was curious of,

were you planning to lay up when you even started the hole? And then it was there even consideration of do I need to hit driver here? But then is it, well, I don't want to change what I've usually done on this hole. I'm curious if the situation dictated any of your thought process there. Yeah, it did. I mean, on the tee, they hadn't finished the hole. So she could obviously have made eagle with it only being an iron end. So I had to hit driver and then found out when I got to my ball that she made par. And I had 175, which like downwind was like easy. But with the ditch right and bunker left, I just knew I needed a six.

So I was like, I'll just hit 54 degree and then I'll hit another 54 degree. What does the celebration look like tonight? I think I know, but how long is the drive ahead? Seven hours, but I'm not going to drive in, so it won't be too bad for me, I guess. Obviously, does this change any kind of expectations you may have for yourself going into the AIG Women's Open this coming week? Do you anticipate feeling any extra outside pressure now that you are a winner as a professional

on the latest European tour? I think there probably will be. I mean, even if I hadn't won this week, my expectations probably would have still been the same, just trying to contend really and put myself up there. And I mean, this week was just great because I hadn't played Lynx golf for a good year since the last open. So we're just really trying to get used to it again being in America. So yeah, now I've now I've got this weekend of my belt for playing links, it'll be easier.

What is the adjustment like? What do you have to do anything with equipment? Or is it just a mental kind of change? I mean, obviously, the turf is different, the conditions are different, the wind is different, the temperature is different, all of that. But do you you know, is mean, obviously the turf is different. The conditions are different. The wind is different. The temperature is different. All of that. But do you, you know, is it, what's the learning process like transitioning from America back to links golf? I think we've been scoffed at definitely some mental, you

know, you're, you're generally in for a tough day. But just practicing flying it down again, you know, in America, you kind of just hit that high and stopping it. Whereas, whereas here in a lot of, you know, flighted t-shirts, flighted iron shorts, and just practicing, I guess, aiming 20 yards away from the pin that being moved by the wind loads, um, is, is another thing you kind of have to practice. You're going to need that at Porth call from the videos I've seen from that place. It looks like the weather can get, uh, can get pretty, uh, pretty crazy out there.

Maybe I've just remembered the senior open from several years ago. I don't know if you've watched it. Yeah. Have you been there? Have you been to Porth call? pretty, pretty crazy out there. Maybe I'm just remembering the senior open from several years ago. I don't know if you've watched it. Have you been there? Have you been to Porthco? Um, yeah, I played it about a month ago. Okay. What did you think?

Um, yeah, it was great. I mean, I played on a probably a perfect day, like 15 mile an hour wind. And even then there's a lot, it's very different to the open last year at St. Andrews where it's pretty, pretty nice off the tee, not too many bunkers. Whereas they're very well placed at Wolfcorp, I would say. Well, we'll get you out here on this. I know you have a busy long night ahead, but I've, a little birdie told me that you're really excited about potentially a new goalkeeper that Leeds United has signed recently. I'm curious if you could tell us about that and your relationship with Leeds United. Yeah, I'm a big Leeds fan.

My granddad's from Leeds, so my dad supports Leeds. So I was born into it. So yeah, it can be difficult, but we're in the Premier League this year. So hopefully it goes well. And as long as the keeper can catch, she'll be in our lineup, because everyone's not very good.

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That's NLU to 64000 message and data rates may apply. All right, let's get into some some segments, some topics here, Shane. Let's start with our little game. And again, if you can help me come up with a better name for it, I'm all ears, but I kind of challenge you with like a do you remember this? We come up to with a couple things. I don't know how many you have to kind of teach each other about a little bit of history, maybe some recent history. How many

do you have? First of all, 1234566 Oh my gosh, you got six. Okay, I only have three. So mine are a little bit more many guys. So I'm gonna have you start first. And I have no idea which way you're gonna take this. You have no idea how I'm gonna take it. But hopefully we don't have any overlap, but we very well might. Alright, so

Phil Mickelson, you know, Phil, I do remember him. Yeah. A lot of runners up in major championships. And I was thinking about the names. Now he never finished runner up to somebody twice, which I thought was interesting because he has a lot of seconds. But I was kind of thinking about the names he's finished second to in major championships. Outside of probably one name,

this is like the murderer's row of names. You want me to try to do it? Yeah, yeah, hold on. Let me count them. I got one, two, three, four, five, six, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. His 12 runner-ups in majors? Yeah, that's including T2s as well. Okay, I thought there was like six. I guess there's six in the US Open. Yeah, I mean just US Open alone. Okay. I mean, I think you'll get most of these, but there'll be some you will not get, I can almost guarantee you. So 99 at Pinehurst, of course, Payne Stewart.

Payne, there you go. That comes to mind. Was he- You'll remember the next one, you'll remember the next one. Famous PGA. Was that also 99? No, that-

No, 01, David Thompson. There you go, there you go. Nice work, lay up on 18, makes far. To Beth Page, to Tiger not one David Thompson. There you go. There you go. Nice work. Lay up on 18 makes our to Beth page to Tiger. Tiger's correct. US open. Well done. I'm very impressed. You got another US open here.

Chinacota, Ratif. Debacle on 17. Nice work. Goosin is the next. You are four for four, Sully. Those are the first reason. There's a reason you host a golf podcast and have been doing it for damn what a decade. All right, next one, another US Open.

Wing foot 2006. I was gonna say his worst loss, but I figured that would be too easy for you to get you got it anyway. You are now five for five. Next one. Another another US Open. T's were moved up on 18, and Phil still a driver, and then nobody got a wedge close. Bethpage again, 09. Yep, to Lucas Glover. Who was that? Lucas Glover, well done. Now the next one's interesting.

I didn't remember this one. This is an open championship. This was an open championship won by an unlikely name at the time. And Phil kind of snuck up in there into a T second. Darren Clark is correct. Nice work. You have not missed one. You are on a run here. Next one's relatively easy. Another US Open. This is Marion Justin Rose. God, you're. Another US Open. This is

Marion Justin Rose. You're killing it right now. This is amazing. Get the guy on golf jeopardy. So that is so we've got four left. We've got four left since 2013. He has four runner ups in the league seconds after this. The next one famous for the 18th hole sun was setting groups were playing up. That it all about Halla 2014 PGA. Yep. That would have been behind who Roy McElroy Rory McElroy is correct. And then your let's say the person that is is probably the most impactful to the podcast, no laying up early in his career.

2015 Masters, I was gonna say, yeah, I remember that one. And then you'll know the next one, a famous duel. Probably the best Phil ever played in the major. Stenson, open championship. What is this? This career is insane. So good. And then the last one.

The Masters. What's the last one, the master, what's the last one, the masters in, uh, was it to Scheffler to ROM 23 to ROM 23, John ROM. So this guy has finished second to pain Stewart, David Tom's Tiger Goosen Ogilvy, you know, Glover. I mean, listen, Glover's had a solid career, no knock to him. Darren Clark as well. Rose Rory, Spieth Stinson, Rom. So in terms of the players outside of Ernie,

Ernie not on the list or Vijay, but outside of the players that have been basically the most impactful players of the last, what, 25 years of golf, he's pretty much finished runner up to all of them outside of three names. One of them being, you know, new age Scottie Scheffler. We talked so little about what this segment was gonna be.

And that was like the perfect start to it. That's exactly what I wanted to do with this. I had no idea where you're gonna take it. But that's the fun stuff I'm looking for. I mean, but when I started to do it, Solly, I just again, you know, you remember Payne, I remember David Thompson, because I remember I remember I mean I was a big field guy like I was. It was big. I was like big Randy, right? I'm a lefty growing up.

Of course I'm going to be a Phil guy and I remember that David Toms layup but you know you just kind of forget Rory Speed ROM like it's pretty wild. How long feels been competitive man? That's a that was a great one. Alright, I'm going to go next. If I was to ask you just again, without guessing too much thought, how many times do you think Kenny Perry won on the PGA Tour?

Oh my goodness. Like I wanna go higher than the number probably is. I'll say eight times. It's a good guess, but he won 14 times on the PGA. 14 times? Exactly. I stumbled on this one and doing a little bit of research when I was looking at it.

As I want to do, I was looking at 2008 leaderboards. And I'm gonna ask you, do you remember his 2008, 2009? Because I bet you don't, because I did not. I knew it was good, but I didn't know it was this good. In 2008, he won the Memorial, one of the Buicks, I forget which one, and the John Deere all within 45 days of each other. And he also lost in a playoff at the AT&T Classic. So that was second most on tour in 08 behind Tigers four.

Granted Tiger played, had like six starts in 2008 and still in 2009 he flipped over and won the FBR open and the Travelers as well. He also lost the Masters in a playoff that year by bogeying the last two holes to fall into that playoff that on hell Cabrera eventually won. So in all of the 2000s in a single season, the only guys to win three events or more in a season were tiger, Phil, VJ Ernie, Davis love. That's kind of hitters only in that the lesser names, uh, in that list, Mike Weir, David Tom's Steve Stricker in that list, Mike Weir, David Toms, Steve Stricker, and Kenny Perry.

And Kenny did it twice, because in 2003 he also won three times. Jeez, that is unbelievable. I did not remember that at all. Just a very underrated career. And I don't think we were ever gonna do a deep, deep dive on it, but I wanted a segment to just honor Kenny Perry's legacy.

Should have won the 96 PGA as well. Famously spent, went out and hung out in the booth after finishing up and didn't warm up and lost in a playoff to Mark Brooks at the key made bogey or didn't bird to the 18th after spending all the time in the booth. Would have been a hometown win there in Kentucky. But yeah.

So that play, so the final round, Perry was at 12 and Brooks was at 10 on the 18th T and Perry bogeyed 18 and Brooks birdied 18 for them to fall in that playoff. That's tough. That's tough. Part five 18th. Yeah, tough sish there. Yeah, Brooks made birdie in the playoff.

Wow, Kenny Perry could have been a two time major winner. You know, could be in the champions inner picture every year. That's gotta be the thing that eats at you because he's probably made what he made probably 50 million or something on tour. I mean, during that era, maybe more, maybe 60. But not being- I doubt it's that high, honestly. Okay.

I can get you that. Career 44.3 mil. Yeah. I mean, he.3 mil. Yeah. I mean, you know, he's he's living okay. I got I got one for you then since we're doing since we're going down the so Sally, it's been a pretty good run on the PJ tour, right? I mean, the last let's say, year and a half or so it's felt very good. I remember when there was that transition, it felt like the live guys lot left. And it remember it felt like there was

kind of the the no name random guys, winning a lot remember it felt like there was kind of the no name random guys went in a lot of tournaments and we're kind of going, what's going? Is this what it's going to be like from now on? Sully, you and I were growing up. There were times when it wasn't this much fun. So I just was scrolling through some seasons. So I'm going to go take you back to 2011.

Now, do you remember this era of golf? This was the Luke Donald and Lee Westwood and Martin Kimer was starting to buck a little bit. These were kind of the best players in the world. So Phil Mickelson in 2011 won in Houston. That was on April 3rd. April 3rd, 2011. Phil won in Houston.

Let me read you the winners before Phil won in Houston on April 3rd. You ready for this? Jonathan Bird, Mark Wilson, Johnny Vegas, Bubba, Mark Wilson again, DA Points, Aaron Baddeley, Luke Donald, Johnson Wagner, shout out, Sabatini, Nick Watney, I think he was the only golf guest on the Bill Simmons podcast ever. Michael Bradley, Gary Woodland, Martin Laird. So just listen, no knock to any of those guys. Very impressive what you did as a pro golfer. But 2011 on the PGA Tour, a little different

than what we're experiencing in 2025. That what, what, uh, what I originally challenged you to was like to go, we're going to go back into, into history and find some of the worst leaderboards of the last 25 years. And, uh, I did fight a couple of these streaks that you're talking about here. And I'm just now looking this up on the spot because I feel like 2014 was also

similar. Uh, and maybe my memory is not holding up as well, but 2014 started Zach Johnson, Jimmy Walker, Patrick Reed, Scott Stallings, Kevin Stadler, Jimmy Walker, again, Bubba, Jason Day, Russell Henley, Patrick Reed, Chesson Hadley, John Sendon, Matt Every, Steven Bodich, Matt Jones before Bubba. Like, so not quite the level of 2011. But I just remember the step as some you'll know one that one, one of these directly shortly after that. I remember thinking, man, this is a bad time to start a golf blog. We were not on a good run of winners.

It's pretty good. That's anyway. I mean, it's you know, it's just listen, it's it's a little different. I got a short one for you since I got a few more than you have. John Daly, you remember John Daly, right? Yeah, yeah, he was on Happy Gilmore too. Thought he did great job on Happy Gilmore too, by the way. PJ Tour career, 548 PJ Tour starts for John Daly. Five wins, two of those, of course,

were major championships. But John Daly was an up and down golfer. I was interested in what the number would be of top 10s out of 548 career PJ Tour starts for John Daly. Now you can guess anything you want. There's no right or wrong answers. John Daly famously kind of in the tournament or not in the tournament at all.

How many top 10s in his career, basically 550 starts to his career? 28. 35 Top 10s. So about 6% of the time, John Dailey finished in the Top 10. And I was starting to kind of compare that to like some of the modern players. And I mean, you know, like, Scottie's basically double that already. You know, I mean, it is, John Daly has had maybe the most interesting PGA Tour career of all time. When you dive into it, when you really dive into it, played a ton of golf, one of the most popular figures

in the game for decades, still is, when you think about him, right? Still is a name that people still talk about. If you hit it long, you'll hear an old guy say, oh man, you swing like John Daly, but the consistency not always there for our man. I'm just looking at where Daly ranks on the career data golf career points list.

He's between Bill Glasson and Steve Flesh. That seems like a knock to Flesh. 153rd in career points, again, which totals up just like your majors, your wins. And I wonder, yeah, I wonder like where he ranks among two time major winners in terms of how many top 10s. It's gotta be. That's a good one. I'm gonna look I need to look up like a like an Andy North stat or something. But

yeah, that is a I was like just couldn't believe it was 548 to begin with anyway. Shout out John Daly, you won two majors. That's that's two more than most people. Well, you were talking 2011, which I thought we were gonna have more overlap than we did, this is a brief one I had on my end. But just again, I knew this fact, but again, I just don't know if I've ever read it into the record on the podcast,

but Luke Donald won the PGA Tour and the European Tour money list in 2011. Like at a time when there was not overlap on the two lists. Like maybe- The tournaments didn't count for both. Well, I think WGC might have. And I think he did win the match play, which may have helped that. But still, like that's just ridiculous.

He was the number one player in the world. He had 14 top 10s on the PGA Tour that year in 19 starts. Obviously reached number one in the world, won the match play, and the Children's Miracle. Those are the only two wins he had on the PGA Tour schedule. Lost the heritage in a playoff, but he won the BMW PGA and the Scottish Open. He would win the BMW PGA again the next year and that was his last ever win on the European Tour or the PGA Tour. He won the Dunlop Phoenix

twice after that, but it was over very quickly after that. But just, you know, he almost gets mocked as being the world number one, but what he did in 2011 was epic. Yeah, I mean, like so consistent, and obviously the stuff he was good at, he was very, very, very, very good at. And he was also very good at a good time. You know, I mean, I think, you know,

we kind of laugh at that, that era of the PGA Tour, because, you know, you kind of were dealing with this like tiger injury and then came back, and came back and he was kind of popping in and out. And like, Phil didn't do a ton kind of in that era. And then obviously you have these guys that were taking full advantage. But yeah, that's- We didn't know what to do with a changing number one because Tiger was number one for so long, we thought it was a silly thing that like,

all these guys keep trading number one. It's like, no, maybe it's the first time it's ever been competitive. You mentioned WGC's. I got something for you. We were talking about Justin Rose earlier, OK? You mentioned his Ryder Cup record. Excellent match play player, right? You think about Justin Rose as a great match play player?

The match play changed to groups or pods in 2015, OK? Justin Rose played the match play nine times the first round of the game. first round loss, first round loss, quarters, made the quarters, first round loss, first round loss, second round loss, first round loss, second round loss, second round loss. That was Justin Rose's era at the WGC before it switched to pods. I was looking through some of the losses, some were substantial, like beat downy kind of things, like five and four and stuff like that. The opening one, the second round loss, he had to win that match in 20 holes.

How did you get here? What was the path to getting here? You know, it's just, uh, you know, you just scroll, man. You just kind of sometimes just scroll on the old Wiki and you check some stuff out. But, uh, I was actually thinking about, you know, what I was doing as I was going through some of the match play wins, um, from tiger, you know, when he kind of was really know, when he kind of was really dominant when it was single elimination. And I kept seeing rows on the left side of those and he was not advancing. I'm like, this is so weird. He's so good at

match play, not good at that match play event. Very good at the writer cup. All right. My last one, again, another one just very, we've made jokes about this in the past, but never laid the facts out on this one. Steve Stricker, one comeback player of the year in two consecutive years. It's- He came back twice. We almost- Can't come back a third time.

I feel like we should talk about it every week. He lost his card in 2004. And then at age 39, I mean, it is a ridiculously sick story at age 39, playing on sponsor exemptions, top 10 seven times that year and was voted comeback player of the year. In 2007. He won in his fourth career event first win in 2011 years. He had nine top 10s that year, he actually had some comments about winning this event, winning that award in back to back years. He said, I don't know

if the award has the correct name or not. I mean, I won this last year and I don't know what I did to deserve it again this year. I thought you would have to stink at golf for a while, which I did for last year. Well, he was 162 on the money list in 06, or I'm sorry, in 05, and rose to 34th in 06. Then he went from 34th to 4th in 07. So again, I don't really know if he was coming back in 07. Maybe they just were like, kind of forgot about the timeline of events or that he had won it the year before,

but I will just never, it almost ruined the, the award went away eventually because- Literally because of that, yeah. I mean, like, yeah, they stopped giving away the belt. Uh, when young Tom Morris won the open championship three times in a row, then they just stopped the comeback player of the year award. What do you think off top of your head? What do you think the highest ranking stricker ever achieved was in the official

world golf rankings? Did he get to three? He got to two in 2009. He was the second best player in the world. You know what's crazy, Solly about Steve Stricker in the movie has is he had the driver yips. It seems like a golf swing that legitimately can't hit a wayward tee shot. Well, I think he had a change to that swing because of it.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's just like so short. It's simply on plane. There's no issues. But I mean, the fact that that guy's golf swing, the guy that we remember, you know,

President's Cup, playing with Tiger, Tiger was obsessed with him. The fact that that guy was spraying it is so wild to me. I mean, you go back and look at his run in this time period. I mean, in data golf, in 2013, he was a plus 2.8 player, which is like better than Rory right now. Like how freaking good he was in 2013. And I mean, his iron play is incredible.

His drive, I mean, just through accurate, I mean, good. It was not a arms race like it was like it is now. Even with below average distance off the tee, he was way above average in strokes, gain off the tee. Like he was just an incredible, incredible player. We all know about the putting. Two more for you really quick. How many playoffs you think Jordan Speets played in

in his career on the PGA tour? He's 31 years old. Three. Nine. What? He's played in nine playoffs. I could think of two. And so I was like, I'll round up to one more.

I know he played valspar that one with Reed. I thought a lot about that one. And then Travelers 2017, we watched that one together in Scotland. Yeah, when he hold an iPad and with with really shoddy why really bad. I think it actually dipped out like as he was holding out the bunker shot. Here, I'll give them to you. 13 John Deere, obviously first win, Windham 13, Valspar 15, Houston 15, Deere 15, Traveler 17, Northern Trust in 17, and then

Heritage in 22 and 23. So he has a what's his record in them? Five and four record in the playoffs, but nine is a lot. He's 31 years old. I thought that was a crazy one. And then just for fun, remember the Grand Slam of golf, how much fun the Grand Slam of golf used to be? Of course. In a silly season event, in 2000, Tiger won a lot of majors that year. So they'd fill people in. Who do you think were the two that got the fill in that year?

By the way, both Vijay and Tiger played that year. So you get a fill in. Just take a guess. 2000, who do you think got the nod? It's going to be really random. But was Sean O'Hare one of them? No, no. I don't know about 2000 for O'Hare. That might have been a little early for Sean. What about Camila Vejegas? No, it's probably too early for me.

You're going a little too young. This was Zinger,, our man. Okay, zinger gets the nod. And Tom layman gets the nod. And I really like at some point when no lane ups podcast count gets to like 3800. I need a serious deep dive on the on the grand slam of golf. I need to figure out how you got picked. How you how you were the name that got added. I'm assuming you got paid. Or you at least could make money from it right even if you finished last. By the way, speaking of John Daly and the grand semi golf played in two finished last in both.

Was not was not surprised to see that. But the top tens. A couple of throw throw them on the sheet. I love about daily he won both of his majors in Ryder Cup years and didn't make either team make were home for both of them. Like you think about that modern times, like people would have lost their minds. They don't want them on the team, right?

You know what? Put them on the team now. Let's add them to the list. Put them on. Let's go. You can still hit it. I watched the Bryson video. All right, those are all mine I got. That was fun. I like doing that. Well, okay.

So my deep diving did lead me into looking at a lot of old tournaments has led me to my quiz section for you. Okay. And I'm gonna name the sponsor of the event and you're gonna have to tell me if that event is still going and what event it is. Okay.

You've already gotten the first one. So you're gonna start off with a free space here, which is the FBR open. Cause when I saw this, I didn't remember what that was. You lived there. So it was easy for you. That's the Phoenix open. Yeah, the FBR days.

I think Mayhem still was maybe had one might have won it when it was FBR when he shot 65, 65 on the weekend. OK, I wasn't expecting to get stunted on that. Honestly, you don't have to look that up. OK, this one's kind of cheating a little bit because the name of the course is actually in the full version of this. But the sponsor was Bank of America. Do you remember what what event this was? Oh, Bank of America. That the turn

you said the name of the golf course is in it is yet Bank of America blank is the is. Gotcha. It was a hint. Is that colonial? It is. That is exactly right. That's really well done. There you go.

All right. The AT&T classic. Oh man. Oh gosh. I think what was that like? Is that the Potomac one or something? Um. AT&T classic.

I have no clue. AT&T Classic. I have no clue. Just guess one. It's not, I mean, I'm assuming it's not the St. Jude, because I think it was still the FedEx St. Jude forever. What is it? It's the Atlanta Classic, which went defunct in 2009. Oh, so I forgot that was an option.

Not Still Around. Not Still Around. The first two are still around. That one is not still around. What about the Chrysler Classic? Chrysler Classic, I think, is still around. OK, not still around. The first two are still around. That one is not still around. What about the Chrysler Classic? Chrysler Classic, I think, is still around. Oh, no, no, Chrysler Classic. Was that Dural?

No, it was not. What's the? That was the Tucson Open. Oh, that's what I was about to say. I thought you might get it with Arizona, but that one ended in 2006. Yeah. A lot of stuff in Yeah, by the way, use my college newspaper credential once to go watch Ty Tryon play there.

And I remember Ty Tryon that year, he got his card, blocked one out of bounds. And I was like, I'm going to get his ball, right? I'm going to get the Ty Tryon ball. And some volunteer, just six year old volunteers just sprinting to beat me to get the golf ball. So we could have it. I was like, All right, well, that's yours. But uh, yeah, I went out and covered it one time covered it as a as a college journalist.

Little did you know, there was gonna be plenty of tie try on balls going OB that you could have been a few. I'm sorry, I still doing okay. The pods championship. You speak a target title, Kenny Perry. I think Kenny Perry might've won the pods a couple of times. I think the pods is defunct. Is the pod?

It is not, it is the Valspar. The Valspar was the pods, okay. Did Kenny win the pods? He did not. Oh man. All right, this is the hardest section here. Okay. Did Kenny wear when the pods? He did not. Oh man. Um, alright, this is the hardest section here. There's a run of three. The Buick Invitational. Oh gosh, I mean, it's so hard with all the Buicks. Exactly.

The Buick Invitational. So one of them was is was one of them Firestone? So one of them was is was one of them Firestone. Or was that a WGC that was a WGC Buick Invitational? Oh gosh. I I don't think it's still around. It is still around. It's Tory. Buick Invitational was Tory. OK, yeah, I thought that was Buick Invitational was Tori, okay. Yeah. I thought that was Buick Open.

Which will bring us, we can do that one next, the Buick Open. Is the Buick Open the 3M? The Buick Open stopped in 2009, that was the Michigan one. Okay, kind of in the same area. The Buick Championship. There's so many Buicks. There were three Buicks. There were three.

I mean, I don't even remember the Buick Championship. Did Tiger play in these two? He must have. Buick Championship, oh gosh. It's still around if that helps. I'll say, is it the Wyndham? It's the travelers. I do not remember this at all. Right, wait, but I mean, Tigerton win that thing. I don't think he ever won there now.

So wait, can I ask you a question? I don't know a ton of people that own Buick's over the years like was Buick printing this money that they could just do this all over the place? It was the Tiger thing. He had to have played it. So the Buick championship was only three years, 04 to 06, won by Brad Faxon, Woody Austin, and JJ Henry. OK, it was the only existence for a couple.

I'm wondering if Tiger ever played it. It's still the Travelers, but it was only Buick sponsored it for those three years. The title sponsorship, right. God, that's tough. God, Buick shout out Buick. I'd like to know how many car sponsorships have been involved in any of these golf tournaments over

the years. The fact that they were that dominant Buick was like the early day Fed ex. Well, I think when the in so you know, Buick open stopped in 09. Tiger and 09 things changed for him right around that time period. I wonder if that had anything to do with him. Do you remember when they Tiger and 09 things changed for him right around that time period.

I wonder if that had anything to do with them. Do you remember when they came out with the Buick car that had the third door for your golf clubs? I don't think I do. Yeah, it was like a convertible and it had like this little side hatch for your golf clubs. And that was like the selling thing. Final two, the Booz Allen.

Oh, the Booz Allen, that's not the John Deere, is it that 84 lumber? No, it was the Kemper Open and that also stopped in 2006. Last one, the BC Open. I know, the BC Open. I think the BC Open is the John Deere. No, that ended in 2006. The BC Open's done too. Yeah. That's tough.

That was a really hard quiz, but I was having a lot of fun, like trying to figure out what these were, I thought you might get a few more. God, the BC Open was sick. When did it finish? 2006. A lot of stuff went defunct in 06 and 09,

which is another thing I learned. We started this process to like dive into old, defunct golf tournaments. I don't think we ever got all the way around to completing it. But- Do you know a guy in 2002 won the BC Open, his name was Spike McRoy? That is a sick name. He had to be, he's gonna be in Happy Gilmore 3, Spike McRoy.

Because Spike McRoy won a couple of times on the Hooters Tour, twice on the Corn Fairy. What a stud. All right, so that's the end of our deep dive, mini dive, whatever section. That was a blast. We got to do that again. Let's pick back up the next time we're on.

That was fun. All right, you're the Corn Fairy guy. I want you to give the listeners five Corn Fairy guys to watch out for on the PGA Tour next year. Doesn't have to be the top five guys on the list, but guys that have caught your eye in particular, what do you got? So Johnny Keefer's the easy one, obviously just picked up his second win,

tour bound, all that stuff. Let me give you just a little background on this guy. Went to Baylor, turned pro in 2024, goes to PGA Tour Americas, okay? Solly, he played 10 events on PGA Tour Americas last year. Nine top 10s, four seconds in a win, okay? Solly, he played 10 events on PJ Tour Americas last year. Nine top 10s, four seconds and a win, okay? Goes to the Corn Fairy Tour this season. By the way, his lone finish outside the top 10 was a T19 when he shot 18 under at the event on

PJ Tour Americas. Corn Fairy this year, 16 starts, two wins, two seconds, including the playoff loss, 10 top 25s, uh, incredible, like across the board. One of those dudes, it's got everything, um, hits a great hits at plenty long iron player short game, all that stuff. I feel like Kiefer's like lock city for when next season, maybe at the BC open, you never know, but I like Kiefer. Uh, I think Kiefer's of the, let's call it the three year crop of KFT players right now. I think Kieffer's the best that we've seen.

And I think he's gonna be very, very impressive in a very short amount of time. We'll still play some KFT events to kind of lock up the top spot, which is gonna be tough because it's been very impressive this season. Next one's Neil Shipley, obviously a name a lot of people have heard of. Burst on the scene with US amateur Cherry Hills. I'd say it took him a little bit of time to kind of get to the point he's gotten to, but he's been awesome this year.

He's won twice on the corn fairy tour and has the sustainable game kind of of the modern player. Bombs it, really good putter, all that good stuff. Feel like Shipley will be a factor, I think, on the PGA tour quickly in 26 and beyond. Such an easy guy to root for too. Yeah. I kind of thought there was maybe a shtick there that would have gotten old to this point.

I think he's just genuinely- I kind of agree with you. It seemed like it was going to be this long hair, like, oh, shucks guy. And no, he's like a real player. What does what does Tron say? Proper player? Yeah, proper proper player. I mean that they don't know what that means though. That could be anything.

Yeah, nobody does. We need to get proper player shirts in the NLU shop, by the way. Pearson Cootie, we already mentioned him. Gonna get his card. Incredible played well this week on the PJ tour. Ten starts this season on the corn fairy tour. Two seconds, a third, fairy tour, two seconds, a third, a fourth, two T sevens and a T nine, Sully.

I mean, that people don't do that on the KFT like KFT is very, you have a good week, you miss the cut. You win, you finish T 38. Like that's what you see for most of these players. The fact that Pearson's doing this is already one on the corn fairy tour. Like he's already been a great player out there, but I feel like Pearson's finally finding his footing as a pro and he's been awesome. Um, can say Harada is the name. You've probably heard that the 24 year old

from Japan had a top 25 at the Sony open this year and probably needs to pick up a little bit of speed, but he hits it straight as hell. 76% of fairways hit this season. Very, very good iron player. I think Harada is going to be a multi-winner on the PGA Tour in his career. So he's a name. And then another one, and one of my favorite names

to say on air, Pontus Nyholm. Oh, hell yeah. Let's call him TC's next crush out of Sweden. Proper player as well. He spent a lot of time on He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player.

He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player.

He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a really good player. He's a have to push late in the season to get his card. But I think once he gets his card, his game will translate well on the PGA tours.

Plus he's a super cool dude. So those are kind of the names I'm looking at as we start to kind of really get on TV and wrap up this season. Love that. I'm counting seven events remaining here in the corn fairy season. You'll be down here in Jack's next week covering the Utah Championship. What storylines, what should we be looking for on the Corn Fairy Tour? Give some people something to watch for as the season comes to an end. So three dudes now that could get promoted, which is always exciting.

Shipley and Smotherman both have a couple wins and obviously Kiefer joins them this week with the second victory. The promotions kind of weird late in the season, you know with the FedEx Cup playoffs and all that stuff. But we saw what Matt McCarty did with it last year. Obviously get those options to play in the fall and see what he can do with it. He got the win.

So something to keep an eye on there. Another thing to keep an eye on, and something you will see late in the season from a lot of the guys I just mentioned, if you finish in the top spot on the corn fairy tour, you get invites into the players and the US Open next year, you kind of saw what McCarty did. You know, he gets into the players and the US Open next year. You kind of saw what McCarty did. He gets into the Masters and plays great at Augusta.

Like opportunity to not have to qualify big purses, big points, in terms of propelling you to 27 and beyond. Those are big invites. So you're gonna see a lot of these guys play late into the season, if not through the end of the Corn Fairy Tour season, to try to lock up that top spot. And the fact that it's this tight is awesome. You've had so many guys play so well, especially as of late, which is awesome.

And one of my last things, have you been a French lick? Have you played that golf? I never have. No, I'd like to though. It is bananas. It's so hard. It's like so fun to watch. They don't even play it all the way back, Solly,

for the corn fairy tour championship. 16, if you play it all the way back, Solly, for the Court of Fairy Tour Championship. 16, if you played all the way back, could be the hardest part three in the world. It is an awesome, awesome golf course to watch late in your year when you're yearning for a little bit of golf. So we had some fireworks late last year, like putts that mattered from the final pairing

to get other guys their cards versus them getting into themselves. Doherty was this guy that was so close, obviously both times, not just there, but a Q school. Um, but it's really fun. Like it's a fun golf course. And we have always have like a lot of drama late big, big par five to finish. And they always put the whole location kind of back left where you'll see guys at least have a crack at an eagle. So those are kind of the things to pay attention to. Uh, I think I know I covered, I know I do it on TV,

but, Solly, this is literally like the young dudes that are going to be the next thing on the PGA Tour. And it feels more now than it's ever been because of PGA Tour U. So just an opportunity, if you live close to one of these events, to go out and see them up close, you can get really close to these guys, like a Shipley or a Kiefer. But turn us on.

Like you mentioned Utah next week. We're late. I mean, it's like cocktail hour for golf and, uh, Nitties not try to have a little bit of fun. Plus we're both going to have mustaches next week on TV. So let's go. You guys do an awesome job with it. It's, it's a delightful evening, evening watch when it fits into the calendar. So yeah, that's a good, good call out for this coming week. All right. Probably the main event. Probably shouldn't get to this, this late in the show, but.

I kind of forgot about it. I know Happy Gilmore 2 debuted on Netflix two nights ago. What's your one sentence review of Happy Gilmore 2? Much better than I thought it'd be. Interesting. You? than I thought it'd be. Interesting. You?

Um, an hour and a half long TikTok is kind of how I felt. That's pretty good. That's a pretty good one. So I keep like, so I just I have to document how I like I sat down watching with my wife a couple nights ago, And we made it a little over an hour in before she made me turn it off. Okay, so that's, that's kind of where I, how I started it. And I caught my I found myself laughing multiple times throughout it, like it had some some moments. And I saw somebody on on on on the everything app say this, and I can't kind of

can't get it on my head now is like, yeah, I laugh occasionally at Super Bowl commercials overall as well. But like the overall Super Bowl commercial like formula, you know, is a lot of misses and a couple hits. And that's kind of how I felt walking away. And I've read so many people on on Twitter say, Well, yeah, it's bad, but what were you expecting? And I kind of want to say that, okay, so can we agree it's bad?

Like if that's, I wasn't expecting it to be good, but we don't have to pretend that it was really good because we were expecting it to be bad. I guess, I don't know, I have my critiques of it other than Scotty was amazing. Scotty was great. Scotty was like the winner of the movie. Yeah, and it was off to a really hot start, I thought.

I mean, it was kind of shocking, I guess, I don't wanna spoil the, you know, kind of the main through line there, but kind of a shocker there kind of had us like, whoa, really, we doing this? In the early part, and kind of just filling in that gap of what's happened with Happy. And again, I know we're talking about a fictional,

a very not realistic movie. But going through the attic with all the checks up there and everything was like the right hit of nostalgia. I'm just not sure the Maxie League storyline was really hitting for me, man. Yeah, that was in the villain guy there was probably the worst part of the movie. But I mean, the pros were fun. It was funny, right?

How old are you? Are you 38, 39? How old are you? I'm 39, yeah. 39, I like how you took a minute to figure it out. So we're similar age, I'm a little bit older than you. I just felt like it was like, how can we hit all of this age people's interest? It's like, these guys loved Eminem when they were in high school. Let's have Eminem on

the movie, right? These guys love pro golf. Let's have these guys on the movie. I mean, I do think they did a good job of it. It just seemed like Adam Sandler's like, what famous people can we have? Like, let's have them all. It's a movie of cameos, right? It's literally the most cameos ever. Let's do the script as fast as we physically can, and let's just get as many people running through. And it had to be a massive scheduling exercise.

Can't even imagine what that looked like. And again, I'm not asking for an Oscar-winning script to go with it. I was like, all right, the villain needed to be like, Shooter McGavin's an iconic villain. Like, hilarious in his own way and an awesome villain. That character sucked. Like there was no redeeming manatee. They didn't even explain that name as well. There's just a couple things I'm just like, well, why can't the caddy be funny?

And I also didn't, I didn't know the caddy was bad bunny. I know that that that missed me, unfortunately. So again, that's a cameo thing. But I was like, Oh, the caddy should be fun. There's all these opportunities for these characters to be funny that were missed that I think really weighed things down. But still, you're like John Mulaney at the SNL 50. When he asked his wife's like, Who is that? And she's like, it's bad bunny, dude. Like, what are you doing? I'm sorry, I missed a couple of the cameos. It's okay. We're not gonna we're not gonna all get wins. I would say again, like the fact that the pro golfers were that involved, and we're pretty entertaining was good. I do think comedy sequels

have to be the hardest sequels. I just think that a sequel of comedy is got to be the hardest thing to attack because what like friends and I were texting the day What's a good comedy sequel? Like and I know I'm putting you on the spot But like think about like the bomb comedies over the last 20 years like the hangover and Anchorman and these movies that were Iconic and hilarious and we're literal can't miss movies and the fact that they go back to the well and can't really recreate that magic I think in my opinion makes comedy sequels the toughest. And to me, I was pretty entertained most of the time.

And I guess that's all I'm really asking for. The flashbacks to the first one, I would say got a little tedious for me just because, again, that movie's seared in my brain. I don't need the flashbacks, but I also know the flashbacks are meant for people that haven't seen the first one. Maybe young people that are just on Netflix

and wondering what's that about. But I don't know, I just like Adam Sandler and I'll spend two hours with Adam Sandler for a long time. So I would say, like I said, it was better not thought it was gonna be considering I was expecting to be a bit bummed out by a Happy Gilmore sequel. And it was, be considering I was expecting to be a bit bummed out by Happy Gilmore sequel and it was again it could have been much, much more painful. Speeth was good as well.

The very, very brief appearance but the sending the drink back cuz the gin was wrong. I thought that was a good little that was good. And I mean like that I would like somebody to ask Adam Sandler how early in the script did they write the Scotty joke like the prison joke because? Because obviously it was like sitting there on a platterboard. Yeah, that was not that long ago. So good. It was such a good line. Yeah, and him being in the prison cell was really, really good too. Sit your ass down.

So funny. I mean, yeah, you know, you just, like, I don't know. I mean, again, Scotty's having himself a good couple of years and the fact that he's basically the star of Happy Go More 2. The fact that there was somebody, there was like a couple of celebrities in the movie that I didn't realize they were in the movie until like Instagram Today. You know, I mean, that's how many, I think Kid Cudi was in the movie. Yeah, I didn't realize that. You know, miss, I realized Hunter Mahan was the swing double.

That's awesome. That was awesome. Shout out to that call. Whoever made that call. That was so cool. Would you say again That was awesome. Yes. Shout out to that call, whoever made that call. That was so cool. Would you say, again, most people who listen to this podcast have probably already watched it or are going to watch it. Would you say watch it?

You have to watch it. I just don't think I will ever watch it again. I think it was a one time go through. And again, it's not that I was expecting an unbelievable, suspenseful drama plot. I do understand the premise of the original movie is a hockey player miraculously hits the ball 450 yards and makes hole in ones.

Not looking for like a realistic storyline here. It just felt like, what are Bryson and Brooks doing with this maxi golf league parody? Like it felt pretty, like are we, are you guys in on the joke here that kind of- and they're like poking fun at it in the movie, you know, right? Yeah, I don't know that that whole like storyline just felt like beyond silly and it and again, I'm not

not that the shooter versus happy duel. It wasn't silly in the original one. It just was silly in the right ways. This one was just kind of silly and like alright There's a road what anything funny or entertaining about like the final 30 minutes I think of it, which I guess was I don't know just a tad frustrating So and also one last thing the the villain golfer so the dude that came out and yeah And whatever that guy's name was so that's the guy and they also Haley Joel Osmond isn't it?

Is that who it is? Right? Ooh, I don't know. Is that right? I'm almost positive it was, right? Yes, that's him, Haley Joel Osmond. That's right. Unbelievable, it's not right.

Well, I would not have known that. So yeah, I look at him and I see the villain, the bad guy in the entourage movie. He's kind of the same guy, you know, like he's like, he's like the son of Billy Bob Thornton in that movie. So it almost, he almost played like the same kind of role of just like kind of being the Dick, you know, like he's the, he was the kid in six cents. No, I know.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm just like, that's because I mean, now like he's the same, he looks the same as that movie and I'm sitting there going how, like mean now like he's the same he looks the same as that movie and I'm sitting there going How like you're like this the same kind of villain in that but the hip thing I didn't really get like the hip swing thing. I didn't quite understand that it didn't really uh It didn't I know they had to obviously figure out a way to make somebody hit it as far as as happy did

Back in the day, but listen if we're gonna poke holes You can also poke plenty of holes golf wise in the day. But listen, if we're gonna poke holes, you can also poke plenty of holes golf wise. In the first movie, I wrote a blog about it probably 20 years ago, like when shooter ship with a five iron, you know, and like fired his caddy. I mean, there are plenty of weird golf things that movie as well. But I'd say I mean, I'd say again, it was it was better than I thought it was going to be. And, and I was entertained for a couple hours. Yeah, there's just there was a lot of a lot of parts of words like, all right, but this is clearly meant for like a 10 year old. But at the same time, we're also like, kind of there's an alcoholism storyline to this.

Which was something I want to laugh, man. There was a couple of tough spots, man. That one and then the whole villain guy. Yeah, they don't really know if the, you know, I know it's fan service, but like, I know. You're killing the wife, I was like, I don't like, I mean, like, I like her, I want her to be in the movie. Again, I'm strapped into the fact this is gonna be a slapdick comedy.

I, again, I'm in on that part of it. That doesn't mean that you, that it had to be written this way. I think it could have been a lot better on a lot, Sally, do you want to mention a potential cameo in the movie? One important cameo in the movie? There is a very important cameo in the movie. And I was I can try to flash it up on the screen. I was going to try that. But if you if you hopefully watch the movie very closely, we got tagged in a lot of these. But near the last scene, there's a TSA agent at the very end and look closely,

you may recognize them as co host of the show, Mr. Neil Icarito Schuster was curious whether or not he was going to get cut from the movie did not get cut. He is a in the final scene. And if I remember to plug this in, I got to edit the pod tonight, I got to go back to my final scene. And if I remember to plug this in, I got to edit the pod tonight, I got to go back to my roots here. But if I remember to edit this in, he's up on the YouTube screen right now, we can post that on social as well. But Neil made the final cut. He's in the movie. So thank you for

reminding me. Yeah, that was that you sent that to me today. I don't think I actually got to that point towards the end. But shout out Neil, I hope we get a sad card or something for that. Yeah. So. All right, Shane, we'll greatly appreciate you spending your Sunday evening with us. Anything else before we wrap? No. Last shout out on the Happy Gilmore too. I thought Paige Sprannick killed it. Like she was good. She killed it, man. That was a, I thought she did an awesome job, you know, jumping in there. And I mean, again, you talk about smart little things that the whole production crew could do. That was a smart move. And I mean, again, you talk about smart little things that the whole production crew could do.

That was a smart move and I thought she did a great job. So yeah, watch it. You'll enjoy it and shout out to Neil star of the movie. One final thing I forgot to mention earlier, Victor Dubuis saw, I don't know if he saw this. He won on the Alps tour, I think it was. And forgo the check. He wanted to play off and just said not keep the money and the second place guy got to keep the money.

It was like 7600 bucks or something, right? Yeah, he's in coaching now and just said he had teased that he was going to maybe play a couple of events. But I you know, that guys that that's just a legendary move. I know it's not a lot of money. But I'm sure it meant a lot to the guy that it went to and he's made a fair amount of money playing the game of golf. But that was the last thing I had in my notes for this. That is cool. I played, I used to play a money game with a PJ tour player would pop down there

every now and again and play. And if you ever won skins, he would just leave the money in the shop. Like he would never go get it. So I think a lot of those guys do that, but dupe was saw me. You talk about a throwback in those days. We were talking about earlier, man, that guy match play played a rider cup didn't he i know 2014 with mcdowell totally crazy totally did all right shane greatly appreciate you my man thanks for helping us recap the week uh we will see you this week let's play some golf this week if you're

down here you know we'll start working on those dates so appreciate your time buddy