No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1054: TM Rose outlasts J.J. Spaun in Memphis

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Justin Rose (-16) beat J.J. Spaun (-16) on the 3rd playoff hole to win the 2025 FedEx St. Jude Championship. Scottie Scheffler (-15) and Tommy Fleetwood (-15) finish T3 with Cam Young (-11) rounding out the top 5. Join us as we run down Tommy's Sunday, spin through the rest of the leaderboard, catch you up on LIV Chicago, cover news, notes, and more. Presented by High Noon. Support our sponsors: High Noon - Suns Up! Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf Club Glove - code NLU at checkout ServPro - Like it never even happened SoFi - Get Your Money Right at https://www.sofi.com/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Solly here. I got to bring him in. I got to introduce him. It was a close call, another close call, but it did not come together for his boy, a failing on many levels. uh he could not get it done big randy scotty sheffler did not win your favorite golfer welcome the show what the hell man we can't we cannot make a bogey later and expect to win tournament where do we go from here where do we go from here quite frankly i'm a little nervous i does he have what it takes to close in the playoffs i don't know especially with l j ted scott on the bag that's right

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So head to Titles.com to learn more and find out what golf ball is your ideal fit. We're going to talk winners from around the world. Justin Rose, of course, at Southwind. Dean Bermester wins at Live Chicago. Cleaks finished 12th. I'm sorry about that. Well, Andy was T-10, though. Okay.

Off day, D.C. Yeah, Ketter up. He stinks. He was DFL by six. Grant Forrest wins the Nexo championship on the DP World Tour. as we speak megagane is three up through 21 holes in the u.s women's am final at bandon if you want a double screen experience tonight uh that is already on your television sol like she's she's now four up through 22 she just birdied or mass one of my favorite turn out of the ocean there yeah

and crystal lamprecht wins the pinnacle bank he moves up to 10th in the standing should be uh on his way that's one for the talls there for the tall slenderment guys Tommy Fleetwood took a two-shot lead in the final round over Justin Rose, Scotty Schaeffler. He was one over par on the front. But he put him behind a charging JJ Spahn who shot a 32 on the front night to take the lead with Scotty Schaeffler.

Tommy made back-to-back birdies on 12 and 13 to take a one-shot lead. He poured in a par putt on 14 from 8 feet 10 inches, stuffed it to 6 feet on 15 and drains it. But he butchered the par 516th. It was lucky enough to get away from par just as J.J. Spahn was pouring in a birdie on the 17th to tie it. Tommy would go on to Bogey the 17th, which we'll talk about.

Meanwhile, Justin Rose at the same time as pouring in his fourth straight birdie, birdie holes 14 through 17 to tie J.J. Spawn at the top of the board, we end with J.J. Spahn and Justin Rose in a playoff. Two pars. The first go around, Justin Rose had two looks to win it. Spawn, lift one. They both birdie it the second time around, and then Justin Rose stuffs it once they recut the pin. makes another birdie and spawn misses one from seven feet team rose is your winner guys and man you just don't ever want to see that guy coming behind you i know he has not had a good

stretch of golf the last several months uh when he gets on and he gets that putter hot it felt a little bit like the rider cup in 2023 like i i was stunned he missed both of the the puts he had to win it in the first two legs of the playoff because that guy when he gets hot is a perfect perfect golf court form the 18th hole was perfect as he described it and i just have immense respect for team rose it feels way better than he took it from j j spawn and not tommy like i think i'd be sitting here heartbroken and crying uh but it before we give the to the tommy stuff just a massive round of applause for team rose couldn't agree more sallie i think you know birdie's 14 15 16 17 couple parts on 18 and then back to back birdie's there at the end including on a new pen and he

was sitting in the same spot on 18 as well during the playoff like he knew that put um and credits to spawn as well i mean just like like the putts that didn't go in for spawn were they were ripping that lip i mean they were they were right on the edge like he was giving it a good run every time they were both nails that was good action all the way through like that was that was what you hope for when you tune in on a sunday to a professional golf tournament of like all right cool like you know who knows who's going to win but I hope the action is good down the stretch, and that over-delivered to the max. I mean, that was as good of a playoff as I've, like, that's up there with the Bryson

Cantlay stuff from, what was that, 21 or 22 at Case Valley? Yeah, exactly. Total agreement there with you, T.C. Like, truly, that was an enjoyable afternoon watch of a professional golf. I wouldn't say it was enjoyable. Yeah, well, once the time. It was an enjoyable playoff. and like a last four holes there so truly i'm not as invested in tommy so it was pretty enjoyable

for me i mean just a four horse race back and forth you know at at times i thought oh scotty's got it at times you thought spawn has it then it's like oh my god fleetwood has it and rose was kind of the guy that i never quite thought was going to get there and and as you said just poured it on late he talked about that shot into 14 the par three tucked a little pin on the right, like had to have it in that moment and believe he hit it to 15 feet. That's what started the string of four straight birdies. And then just playing aggressively in the playoff, you know, hitting driver, even his 18th hole in regulation, you know, super impressive drive there. Got maybe a touch lucky with that with that one driver that barely

cleared the hazard and he still had somewhat of a stance. Yeah. It was a fun tournament. I'm sitting here like, I thought NBC covered the action pretty well. I don't even have a big complaint there. It was truly one of those weeks that like really pleasantly did it for me in the men's pro game outside of the biggest events of the year. And I'm happy to have witnessed. I thought so impressed with J.J. Spahn and the resiliency, I know we'll get there. But man, he's he's really grown on me.

Obviously, that U.S. Open performance was, was magnificent, right? But Gotti showed a lot today with just the grit, the determination, playing with Scotty, you know, beat him by two shots. It was good stuff. I don't want to pull this out too macro too quickly, but I think about this is what you're saying that, Randy, how kind of depressing pro golf got as of about two years ago, maybe even last year at times. and how I wasn't positive what I would have that feeling again about the PGA tour about like watching good golf down the stretch like because for a while it just felt like this doesn't mean as much because it's split in half like there's not as much talent on this tour and the way things have evolved this year I just did I don't find myself thinking that very

often that because it just be the golf has been really good Scotty's been really good the storylines have been really good and just to have a tournament where just really good was played down the stretch. It felt like everybody was on offense. Well, two of the guys there were on offense. I did not mean to do that, T.C. I really didn't. And it just felt like, I just don't think you can copy that.

I don't mean to make this about live, but that's just why I thought the PJ Tour was going to win this thing. It was like, you just can't, you can get a close tournament at the end, but you can't, like, pull in the audience that's probably going to pull in and the interest that's probably going to have because people really cared about who the winner of that was going to be, what the outcome of that was going to be. And I don't know. That was just, there was times, there's been definitely times I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm agreeing with what you're saying, Randy,

on, like, watching pro golf on the men's side has felt like a chore. And today did not feel like that at all. It felt like a treat. I don't see the live element of it of like, I think the same thing could happen in any great golf tournament, right? It could happen in the, you know, like shit, it's happened all week. Like, where like, I don't really have a dog in the fight as far as the U.S. Women's Am, but I just want to see good competition. You know, I think we've seen that at various times with, with live. But I think the thing with the tour this year is, It's been consistent. It's been a really good season for, like, good finishes. And, like, today was one of those days where if you're a casual fan that's just tuning in at 3 p.m. Because that's your Sunday habit and you just do that, you're thrilled, right?

This is, it doesn't matter who it is. It's just, you know, character A, character B, those guys delivered in delivered in a big way. And there's, I don't know, it was. And then even beyond that, like, I thought the leaderboard was great all day with Cameron Young playing exceptionally well. and putter remains hot. You've got Akshay, Novak, Kittiyama played well. You know, just like guys are playing good golf right now. I thought the golf course was really good.

I thought the, like, you know, I think Southwind gets a bad rap. It doesn't look like much. It's not a, it's not aesthetically pleasing. It's in a fucking office park. FedEx headquarters is right next door to it. I learned that too. Yeah. It was a great tribute to Fred Smith.

But, like, I do think that the Zoyzio, like, meant for guys to, you know, be able to play offense with chips and excitement there and firm greens, pure greens. And I don't know, it's just there's, there's Bermuda Rough. So there's, there's requisite challenge if you miss the fairway. It's like, it's just a pretty proportional modern golf course, I think. And, well, it doesn't look like a whole lot. I think the sum is greater than the parts. Yeah, and it played, I mean, just like watching guys trying to get at the back left

pin, back right pin on 14 with firm green. It was like for Rose to make Bertie there, like was super, super, super, you had to earn that, like really, really earned that because there was no way to just like stop it in its tracks. You had to count on it releasing. And it even chips around the greens were not getting guaranteed soft first bounces. And it didn't look like guys just wanted to reach for putter very easily off that Zoya as well.

like there was just interesting elements even just that 18th hole man it it's really good it's good like it's not a like a great traditional hole but it fits the pro game really really well and i just i have so much respect for the way jesson rose played that hole like it yeah sure it maybe have been it may have been way safe it probably was safer for him to just grab driver and that was probably the widest area to hit it but he and scottie did not play driver off that hole when he knew he needed to birdie. Tommy did not play driver off that hole when he knew he needed a bird. J.J. Spahn played it four times and didn't hit driver

off of that one. He was the only one that played that hole just totally peddled to the medal. And maybe that's what some experience and being in his 40s, mid-40s, having accomplished what he's accomplished can do for you. He just doesn't have fear of messing up to not win that golf tournament. And I was in awe of Justin

Rose this afternoon. I agree. Yeah, I was just looking at the course stats. Only two birdies there at the 14th all day. Rose obviously being one of those very impressive. I thought the same

Solie I thought kind of the same thing Rose just seems and I know this isn't like just this week it's been building but it does seem like he's freed up

he seems so comfortable in his own skin I think more so than I can ever remember him he's fun to watch I mean my wife was watching with me and her golf watching

goes back about I don't know six months to the master so she was like gutted for rose she's rooting hard for justin rose i'm telling her like five years ago this would have been unheard of to be like rooting this hard for justin rose but a real testament to kind of where he was where he is now um i you know we used to make fun of dj for for leading the team rose charge but i'm i'm like i'm right i even think i think that was a bit from dj a little bit though too of like i think rose has been it's almost so earnest and over the top that like you just start respecting it but then on the

like on the flip side he's putting in the work and it clearly feels like he's just he knows he's putting in the work and it's all gravy and he might as well just put it like push his chips in it's the same thing at the masters this year and that feels like a continuation of it and man like the putter is good um you know it's just yeah it's nails and I think the only thing that could stop him is maybe the the uh the NBC smart tracer which seems to hate him i only you guys were bagging out so hard at the only one that i thought was wrong wrong was his final t shot would said red and ended up in the right side of the fairway oh but that thing vastly it's between red and green that's where it's kind of when it's on the edge that's kind of

interesting i don't know that's got to be like a little bit of a cheap thrill i i kind of like it i like it more than most do i know people want it banned but i i think it's kind of fun so I think going back though just like Rose played he played nine through you know he was kind of scratchy there eight nine he birded 10 but like 12 bad bogey there and kind of looks like he's going to fade away and then you're like man he's he's not out of this thing he's not out of this thing he was two or three back and then just fights his way back into it and I think I think there's something to be said for this golf course as well where you look at it and aside from the from the par three four. there's not a straight hole on the first six like you have to work the ball one way or another off the tea like pretty aggressively or carry some trees and then i thought NBC did a very very very good job today with handheld cameras behind the players showing i never realized how much those trees cut in on the approach shots if you're in the wrong on the wrong side of the fair way and i yeah and i thought that was that was such a a storyline

that, you know, like just, it was, it was kind of an exercise in old school golf in working the ball and, and, and really spin control, too, in certain spots. Like, I thought Tommy couldn't believe he didn't get enough spin on the ball out of that fairway bunker on 18. But like Rose's distance control into that 18th hole, both in regulation and in the playoff with nails. Awesome. And this is not a major, but just the two main times we saw Rose in the main spotlight this year. I mean, what he did on the back nine today, he birded, birded the 10th hole, birded the 14th, birded 15, birded 16, 30th, birded 16, birded 16, birded 17, birded 18. He also had two bogeys in there.

But like he just absolutely, when he gets, when he gets, that guy gets going, that hole just must look like an ocean to him because it just, it feels like every single putt is going to go in. And that putty made on 17 was just absolutely vintage. is Justin Rose. I can't believe how, and I, a fair amount of, like, why I'm, like, kind of stoked right now for him is, like, how he handed all the master stuff and, like, how he kind of got robbed a little bit. I mean, like, you shoot 66 in the fun around, make 10 birdies, and Roy, you know, hits the, uses the slope and, you know, hits the incredible shot into 15, it's incredible shot. And it said, like, Justin Rose could very easily won the masters this

year. And it was just, I was actually more gutted for him than I thought I ever would be. And I don't know, maybe I'm enjoying this career renaissance for Rose more than I ever thought. I would. This was a really good validation of the Masters. I thought as well. He made, I thought, just looking back to like the birdie on 18 to get into the final pairing on Saturday,

after he bogeyed 17, I thought it was nails as well. And I appreciated that as someone rooting for Tommy to say, all right, like he's going to, yeah, like I was, I was very concerned that Scotty was giving the final pairing and just

look straight in Tommy's eyes and Tommy's going to melt. But really, I mean, just looking at Rose, he made seven birdies each of the first two days, and he made six birdies each of the last two days. He made 26 birdies, four days. He was number one in birdies for the week. And that's not including the two that he made in the playoff. Yeah. So it's just really good golf on like a difficult golf course that only has two par fives on it.

Yeah, four out of five, six out of eight. I think he birdied coming in to win it, including the playoff. and a couple of those you know i'm just going through the scorecard like on 15 he he was outside of fleetwood by a couple feet if you remember like justin hit a great shot to about nine feet fleetwood was in there around six feet so you know he he could stay alive exactly and the same thing happened on the uh the second playoff hole where he was outside spawn and essentially needs to make it to stay alive yeah it's like if you guys so many ways to be like dude that was really pretty impressive there justin if you want to see something really really damning

go to the pGA tour you know the app or the website go to the shot tracker and then pull up the group on 18 Tommy and Justin and look at the two of their drives yeah when they both need it Yeah. And that's, you know, when the chips are in, and that's after Tommy bogied 17, we'll get into that. But, man, like, it's just, when the chips are down, man, he's, like, he, he wants the moment. And I love that. That's cool. It's, it's, like, I've, like, he hasn't been a guy that I've rooted for in the past up until maybe 18 months ago. And somehow it's just, he just wants the ball in the crucial moments. And it's, it's really, really, really impressive. and it's something you can't teach. It's like it's experience and it's 20, 25 years of institutional knowledge.

And it's, you know. Yeah, it does seem like, you know, all this work and he's of the age now, 45, which did they say that's the oldest tour winner since Phil? Yeah, I believe. I think it's the oldest European tour winner and like, or the oldest European winner on the PGA tour in 40-something years at least. yeah this is me projecting onto him but it seems like what he what he lives for now is this moment right like it seems like the the the juice is getting to be in the the hunt of tournaments like this

and i i feel like strangely you can kind of see that i don't know it just felt like he he carries himself like that today it was it was quite impressive speaking of impressive a guy was a put away from from winning this thing as well a lip out on the playoff hole j j shoots a final round 65, shoot 65, 65 on the weekend to not win T.C. And shot of 66 on Friday. I mean, I was kind of having my doubts.

We're not doing much Rider Cup stuff at all tonight. We're going to have a Rider Cup show later this coming week. I was having my doubts about him on the team. And he's, he's coached them. I mean, with what he did, the players, way did the U.S. Open. And to see a sign of life like this in that level, but he was so freaking nails and in the playoff,

hitting so many smart shots. He had a great shot in there. The third go around in the playoff and ultimately missed the putt. But that long bomb in the playoff could have dropped. He could have won this thing very, very, very easily. And he was very impressive as well. Second in the field and strokes gained approach this week, actually lost strokes putting for the week and ended up in a playoff.

I mean, he just, he hits the crap out of the ball. As low-key, a good driver of the golf ball, kind of more accuracy than distance. But I don't know. I have massive, massive tip of the cap as well to J.J. Spawn because of all the American guys, he's the one that showed up the best this week. He, um, you know, it's funny. Like he's one of those guys that I think everybody, maybe a couple holes in was kind of

giving this thing to Scotty. Like, all right, here comes Scotty. Scottie's going to do this thing. I'm like, no, I think Spons, he's shown enough at this point where I think Spawns going to be there at the end. And, yeah, between players. And then U.S. Open, and he just doesn't back down. Yeah.

And he doesn't, like, he doesn't get squirly off the T. He's, he's very accurate off the T and he's in play. And then, you know, iron play seems good. And, yeah, like he putted, you know, putted about as poorly as he can for him. And he's right there at the end. It's really impressive. That, that ball going in the water in the playoff at Monday of the players, like, could have derailed his year. Like, could have, that's something you can carry with you to.

wonder if you have what it takes in the most clutch moments. Especially where he was at at that time. Like he was in a precarious spot and thinking and a guy that had confidence issues going into that a little bit right of like, hey, I don't know if I can get over the hump. It gets down on

himself, that sort of thing. And it seems like yeah, it's impressive to see how he carried that onward into June. Randy, you on team spawn? I do, man. He's grown on me. I appreciate for all the reasons it's amazing that he had such a poor putting week because down the stretch every putty was over i've just felt like oh this is going in there's no way he's going to miss

this um so yeah it just puts it a little bit better and and he wins this one i i just like i just like what he's about he just kind of goes about it i don't know he the more i was thinking he's kind of like um a mirror of brian harmon to me a little bit. I don't know exactly how their stats line up, but it seemed like when they're both on, they kind of have this game where they're just bulldogs, tenacious, you know, hitting the ball well. I like the way he carries himself. I enjoyed him and his caddy, their interactions. Yeah, there was not much to not like there with JJ Spahn. And it's good to see after the U.S. open and like you guys said, even going back to the players, it's nice to see him kind of

stack in performances like this. I very much look forward to him in the Ryder Cup. I think he's a wonderful, you know, teammate for the ball striking. You get the putter hot. I think he can be a very, very important member of the team. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to predict how many matches anybody's going to play at this point, but probably three team matches for him. I would Yes, I don't see him sitting two sessions as of now. I haven't done the full math on all that. That's interesting comp on Brian Harmon. He is longer than Harmon.

I was going to say he's got more juice than Harmon. Yeah. He was, you know, he's sitting at 300 yards. He's flying at 295, 300, right? He is three, like three yards longer than average, average PGA tour player. So, and 3% more accurate. That's a really, really good driver.

That's that you're gaining a lot, a lot of shots on people. Especially in Bermuda, rough. And if you look back to 2021, he was 10 yards below average. So, like, there's obviously been some pretty strong developments on that front. But, uh, guys, surf pro is the number one brand. We're doing. In cleanup and restoration, it is known for making any mess like it never even happened. TC, what do we have to clean up this week?

uh first things first we got to clean up tommy's iron play today uh lost shots it was 55th in in shows gained today i thought the just going back um i don't know i mean how how deep do you want to take this cleanup are we ripping it down to the studs are we are we we trying to get some mold out are we you know got some water damage here trying it's hardest i know um you tell me man man this is like no yeah i was gonna say you're making the phone call it was a it was a funny round because he didn't start out i mean he scrambled a funny weekend i mean the whole thing was like hits off early you know he he round three we're not going to go all the way through it but round three he birdies two and then execution error on three doubles three on saturday and then he made

a really big put on four for par and then he birded five and i was like all right like got the got the bad of the way and then played really really well all the way coming in i was a little bit concerned last night though on 18 he did the exact same thing he did today um but was in front of the or you know short of the bunker in the rough lays it up i'm you know we didn't get anything any sort of intel from mbc on weather or or post round on whether it was a bad lie or ball was above his feet or whatever lays it up to 100 yards out and then you know makes bogey from there doesn't push his chips in there stays in the final group though uh goes into the day you know leading and then i thought yeah it was really scratchy early bogey's you know bogey's the first hole uh he was in

contention here a couple years ago same kind of deal just didn't really get off the bus in that fourth round and then by the time you put it into gear it was too late so i was thinking shit that's going to happen almost in reverse here where he's he's already got a lead and he's going to have to uh you know make up for lost ground but um like really good sand play early on i thought you know just like that front nine i mean he had a he bogied one and then he had he had what 10 11 pars in a row after that and a lot of good up and downs a lot of good putts like he said it in his in his in his post run interview um not a lot of great birdie looks but you know just didn't hit his irons very well today overall and

then kind of started to find something right around the turn and then pours in those puts on 12 and 13 for birdie and i thought all right like we got something here birdie's 15 and it's like holy shit all we got to do we got to get a birdie on 16 that's the deal i'm done you know i'd like 25 different people that text me like you know like very very uh good friends pros analysts all of it all of them are like I gotta get a birthday on 16 and it is over here and just does like he just he just felt like a different player after

after that second shot into 16 that's where I think we have to go man it I don't love buying into broad general narratives but it does look like yeah we're there right of like when he gets under the most pressure he changes his demeanor he changes the he just hang dog way too quick he seems to make poor decisions.

I thought, look, Sully, even it seems like they're, even beyond making poor decisions, it seems like every decision feels monumental. Or it feels like he's always between clubs. And it's like, no,

just commit to one of them. And at some point, we're going to get a good yardage here. But at some point, it just, it feels like every decision feels like a nice edge, instead of hey man like at that point what he's got a one one shot lead going into par five that you know he's middle of the fairway what 210 yards out jj's already played the hole like yeah

exactly like it should be you know like you're you're kind of like that's that's the benefit of playing the final group and that's that was just the swing where it's like man like i just don't know you know like i know you're trying to miss on that right side there uh he and then he gets the TIO relief, you know, and then he compounds it and all of that. And he makes a good par put and all of that. I give him credit there. But, yeah, it just feels like it shifts into a different mentality or a different psychology or a different body language, even.

Shoulders get humped over and Rose seemed to be playing a ball control offense at that point. I mean, he was ground and pound. I think they were placed on the clock or warned a couple times today. and Rose had backed off on that shot on on 16 there a couple times and so hopefully that that wasn't bugging Tommy but at some point like man you just got to step up and like that's the moment that you put the nail in the coffin and you just win the tournament the pitch on 16 was I mean the shots like that happen are so uncharacteristically horrible like horrible shots like he's a great iron

player that's the crazy part but I mean I'm saying the chip on 16 was unexplainable you're not making part. He didn't make it part there. But driving it kind of in the right side of the fairway on 17, I feel like, look, I'm massive Tommy fan, massive respect for his game. Like putting herself in contention is not a, is a, you know, not something I just want to brush off. I think you can, you know, like think of Justin Thomas and Victor Hovlin and people that were not in contention this week. We're not going to talk about their performances and we're not going to nitpick him. Tommy put himself there. But under the gun, 197, right side of the fairway right pin Tommy I got I need you to feel comfortable enough to hit a fade yeah and I know

you're a drawer and look p. Reed figured out a way to win uh hitting you know draws only either you can't put yourself there or I need you to feel comfortable enough to hit a fade and then that put on 17 I mean it wasn't halfway there and he was walking after it knowing he'd missed it I mean it was like you just do not see I think he I think he lifted up before he before he made contact I know it was like I I have that putt, man, and I know that. And I think that's the thing when you look at his stats is the putting overall this week was great. He was second in the field in putting this week. And so that's where it's like, man, you putted great this week.

That's what makes it even more uncharacteristic of he made so many putts today that were really, really nails. And then, but to me, it gets back to the doubt on 16 of when you're standing in the fairway and you've got. What did he have in on 16? He had, uh, let's see. I can get it for you. He had 2.27 in. 227 in and,

and, and that shot should have could have favored a draw too, right? Like, there's your draw right there. And that's, that's it. That's the moment of the golf tournament. It's a 530 yard par 5. And

you know, you got plenty of room to bail out long right, but, you know, between that shot and then, you know, just the, I mean he knew it right away on 17 and then and then he wiped it again on 18 for the second day in a row off to T and you're just like you're just deflated after that and it's it's um I don't know I think I'm very weirdly I thought this one hurt more than travelers like Kegan made a bajillion feet of puts and I don't know I thought this one Tommy went into the 16th hole in this one I mean he's gone to the 16th hole and both of them having it, you know, on his club face. And, but this one for whatever reason just felt like, given what he went through at Travelers and what he should have and probably did learn from that,

I'm both impressed that he put himself in this position so soon thereafter. Like, I think there's something to be said for that of you watch his interviews and he's just, like he's going to keep coming, man. He's like Rudy. you're going to keep you're going to keep running at you like you can you can you can you can you know blow him out of the A gap or whatever but he's going to keep coming and I think that at some point like things are going to break right for him and but man like does that make him not a choker like yeah he fucking choked today like he did and that stinks and like people choke and you got to learn how to win and I think like you know it's a bit but like he's won on other tours he's he's won on other tours he's he's done it before um but i think it's to the point where this is it's a thing now this is a totally yeah a thousand percent and i think that you know and like he i think he acknowledged that last night uh in his presser last night and then again today and it sucks man

it's really like it like truly like it was i was not a pleasant afternoon for me and i was man i was really glad i wasn't in memphis uh i thought about going to memphis like we had this pod tonight and I'm like well I'm going to have to hustle to the airport and then you know and then fly home because we got pods on Monday morning and I'm flying out on Tuesday and all of that. I mean I even looked at getting a FedEx like deadheading on a FedEx freight thing back to Jacks. I swear to God. But I but like I don't know it's going to happen. I believe in the guy man. I think he's going to like I don't think he's going to give up. I think he's just going to keep coming and he's playing world world class golf it's just a matter of he you know he's just he's just

got to do better when the chips are down and i'm not making excuses for him i'm just saying that i believe in tommy i think i you know and and at some point this stuff's going to compound and i believe in the the experience and what in the lessons learned more than the scar tissue with someone like him I think he has that good of an attitude. And he's just, that's just who he is. Like, he stood up there after the round, answered quite, you know, did the, did the interview and was introspective and reflective and all of that. And, you know, he's, he's dying inside, right? And, you know, like, he'll see what he needs to do better.

Now, how, you know, how you improve on that or what you do to, you know, what changes you make. I don't know, but at some point, it's, it's down in there. I know it is. It's just a matter of getting it out. And yeah, I look like a fucking idiot right now. And, you know, Tommy does and Finno does and, you know, all that. But man, it's like, I don't know, you win with class, you lose with class. He's lost a lot with class.

I hope he fucking wins. That's the bottom line because he's, he deserves it. He does the right stuff. He's a world class player and he's, man, he's just a shot away, like the shot on the shot from the middle of the fairway on 16 from 227 yards you just got to hit that shot I don't want to move on from this topic yet I just want to close uh the surf pro segment yeah number one clean up and restoration place 200 locations nationwide better just better to any size disaster visit surfpro.com or call 1 800 surf pro today uh yeah yeah there

you there you have it guys I'm sorry for scotty I think we've heard from you tc i think we heard i want to hear what big radio has to say yeah will you will you with me talk scotty is bogey on 15 we can get into that uh listen i think tommy fleetwood is one of the more fascinating stories in pro golf right now it only gets more fascinating after today like this is a very real mental thing like he just hits like you said uncharacteristically bad bad shot and i am having a tough time remembering the last time we've we've seen somebody like this this consistently kind of in the hunt down the stretch um just give it away man uh i i i tc i hope he wins for you i really do like i hear i i don't get a shit about me i hope he wins for him

and pain in your voice no i i just Man, there's not much more, I don't know if it's like a car crash. Give me more of Tommy in the hunt late on Sundays because it is like a walking psychological experiment. I can't get enough of it. I don't really know what else to say except it just leaps off the screen, man. It's not, I would be nervous about scar tissue building up at this point. Oh, it's, yeah. I think it could be a very real thing.

What's the comp here? Like, is there a player that we could look at and say? I mean, I don't know. Maybe. Like Phil and majors? Phil and majors before it started happening. But he didn't gag him like this. Like, he didn't.

I don't know. Wingfoot was pretty bad. He had one of major at that. He'd won two majors prior to that one. That's true. Prior two majors prior to that one. I mean, it is. So I just got to give it.

Yeah, fill at U.S. opens. right yeah i sent a send a request out for questions i just gonna go through a sample of them because i was not to pile on here but it was it was it was kind of crazy onslaught jess my fucking heart on the line right hey if you can't you can't hurt any worse than you're hurting right now tc no you know what i thought that after travelers though and and and somehow like this afternoon was it was truly like even when tommy was winning on on you know like those birdies on 14 and 15 that's not enjoyable like something like something

like somehow like like this process has gotten to the point where it's not enjoyable anymore and I just want to get to the end of the ride and be able to look back on it all and say that it it added up to something meaningful and valuable and we got there and right now you can't you can't say that right well he keeps getting to the part where it's like okay this is bad if he doesn't win like that's what happened twice is it's not like he's in contention it's not like he's won back it's like now this is bad if he doesn't win and it's gotten bad Jesse don't He's done the contention thing a bunch, too. Yeah. We all love Tommy truly, but does anyone fall under pressure like this every single time? Ryan 7283 will try and consider cutting his ties with Tommy. Blair Duckworth can proper players shape the ball both ways. Nick Kelly 25. Why is Tommy the way he is?

J.T. Frog 26 is Tommy Fleet with the Buffalo Bills of golf? P. Mixin, is it disrespectful to call Tommy Lee Westwood when even Westwood closed the deal at Memphis? That one's dumb. That one hurts. Schmitty, 10, 25. is Tommy the least coach player on tour. Ballot Treaties. Is there anyone on tour that has less dog in them than Tommy?

Aggie Banker. This is now for sure more than just a thing now, correct? Minus Matt K. Give to you a hug for me. This is the lowest of lows for us Fleetwood Fanatics. That's just a sample. That was like the first 10 I pulled because it was. And, Sally, even I think the thing that's really, really frustrating too, is he shot 63, 64, the first two rounds.

But we were all thinking, oh, God. No, no, no. But going into round three, he just comes out and he feels like a completely different player, completely different human being, even. And so I don't know what, yeah, I don't know what the, you know, like, what the, what the, what the salve is, right? I don't know what the fix is. I think it's got to go to some non-siggies, I think. He's got to go bag a non-siggy. I think that's what I think the big thing is. I do think, like, I will say the one thing that, really really does irk me is people saying like always doing this in signature events or limited field no cut events those are your words in fairness back at you no no oh okay okay so no the phenal stuff okay no well phenel and pheno beat cam young dog to dog straight up liberty national all of that but i'm just saying like travelers or sorry camp yeah cam smith uh travel or here like he stared like he beat scotty today or sorry he he tied with scotty today but like he didn't i don't know he didn't um

not sure what i'm trying to say yeah this is oh no no other than like he's not like he's doing this at the at the biggest events outside of the majors he's a big time player man yeah he's big time he's not doing this at the fucking john dear or the windum or or reno Like, he's doing, he, he, he, he, this is a travelers in Memphis and, you know, like Memphis two years ago in, I don't know, and different majors, too. Like, he's just, it's just, we're going to get it done. I'm, all right, we got to move on. We got to move on. We do regrettably have to move on.

Does he get it done, Randy? Do you think he's going to win on the PGA tour? Listen, I think, yeah, probably. So at some point, some year, sometime, he'll do enough. to win um it doesn't feel like it's going to be anytime soon though so i and it doesn't give me i i have no confidence it's going to be a major i'll say that i do not see him closing a major i could see him picking off a what was a couple years ago canadian open he'd lost in the playoff something something like that you know i i love the idea go play in some some lower you know

lower PGA tour events like you got a you got to win man you got to get that taste uh go spend some time in europe go win on the european tour some more i don't know what it is but doesn't feel like we're close to anything with just a couple of rosal kamai championships i think that he can still go go beat up that's that's the thing though like it's not like he hasn't won on the year he won the dubai invitational january 24 he won the 2011 kazakhstan open like we know this like we absolutely know this i will say Today is the first time I've worried about whether or not it's going to happen. I've been steadfast that it will, and I still believe it will.

But tonight is the first time I'm worried because like it is, it's just like I can't watch this guy turn into a different person. Because we saw him hit the shot in Abu Dhabi, T.C. I know that's what sits in both of our minds. We saw him hit the shot. I think that was a cut too. I think he hit a cut in there. I think it was a draw. It should be etched into our memories.

But yeah. A couple other notable performances this week. Cam Young shot a final round 64 for a solo fifth. Cody's going to love that, I know. Another top 10 for Ben Griffin has he finished T9. Scotty, of course, had the T3. I know we have our Ryder Cup pod that we're recording tomorrow. Are you ready to pen to pin him in?

I think Ben Griffin's in ink. He's been on my team, but I think that's like an unavoidable thing at this point. I think your team might be the hard. hardest one to get on even harder than the actual ride i don't even have 12 guys on my team yeah hell yeah um go with 10 scott we'll forfeit two singles matches cam young number two and putting final round three point two shots gained he has created a very interesting interesting question of how much do you value very recent form uh and hometown guy uh we'll get that we got a couple of ride a cup we're going to get to a couple right of cup questions we have a full episode late

this week uh ricky novac achi t6 ricky plays his way into the bmdhw and plays his way into all signature events for next year what's your guys reaction to that uh based on the the sponsor exemptions our our beautiful boy has gotten this year that was that you took the words out of my mouth just happy for all the tournament organizer out there you know more more spots for for young up-and-comers Akshay, you know, Akshay staying in the top 50 as well. Good for him. You know.

How long has Ricky been using the satellite dish? And has a truly great putter ever used a putter that large and J.J. Spawned. Unseemly. Best putter in the world, Randy. Best putter in the world. And he's using a freaking satellite dish. Look pretty good with it.

I know. It did, it did roll. It did look comfy in his hands. We're not going to get talked into Ricky for writer. We're not doing it. Listen, Sally, we have more pride than that. We're not even going to dignify that. I'm more saying it to myself.

I say that when I go to bed every night. I'm not doing it. Not falling for it this year, not falling for it. A couple of the U.S. Notables, Chris Godrup, T-54 this week. You're going to skip over Novak? I mean, I just mentioned him as a T-6. Nothing else to say about him?

I mean, that was a great week. I stacked up money this week. year he's absolutely printing it it's wonderful now i'm into the writer cup notable section here tc which is chris gotter honestly tough needed a little bit more from andrew today one of the few guys up on the leaderboard over par yeah four four bogeys in the back nine can't have it uh gotter up after all the hot play t fifty four um rose colored glasses i would say not a great golf course for you with your playing style and not anything like beth page opposite end of the lens would be like, hey, the whole deal here is you're,

it's, you're, you're, you're, you're kind of riding the hot hand would be a main reason to pick you. And, um, he'll have his chances. He's going to be in the last, he's, he's playing all the way through, through, uh, Eastlake. So can easily erase kind of that, that thought right now with a couple good weeks, uh, going forward here. And cave should be a good opportunity for him, I would think. So, uh, speed T-38. I think this belt does it for Jordan.

Um, wow, you're going to, you're going to cross them all the list. Last week I moved him to less than likely to make the team after I had him more than likely to make the team throughout the course this year. Very brave of you to do after after after a week and then 3M and wind him. I'm good. A lot changed between enough, Jordo. After Port Rush to Windham.

No thank you, Jordan. I said if you made me lock in my team at this moment for September, I would take Jordan at that moment because I just don't know if I can trust. I couldn't pick who the hot hand would be. But I would not have penned him on the team. But you knew that there would be a hot hand. Yeah, but I just don't necessarily agree with like hot hand. It's still like over a month to go.

And I just don't know if you ride that out. So I would have thought, I thought he would have played himself into the playoffs. And I would have thought he would have played his way to East Lake was kind of what I was betting on and thinking would happen. He's been better than people realize. But if you can't make the playoffs, if you can't make the top 50, it's pretty hard to say like you've played good enough to justify making it. Is he the only guy that didn't make the playoffs That's even in consideration Or didn't make the top 50?

He made the playoffs, but didn't make the top 50 Outside of Outside of Bryson and the And Brooks and Love guys I would have to look at that TC But I would think you're probably right on that Jake Knapp, Wyndham Clark Would be other names in there

But I think Jake Knapp might be the per like I'm I was kind of trying to talk myself into that this week And I just need him to play better And he would have been like Drives his shirt shit out of it in Potswell. Yeah.

It feels like kind of a perfect player. Keegan T-44. Yeah, listen, probably not a course fit for him, right? I think, you know, we'll see it caves. It should be right up his alley. He's defending champ. I know it's a different golf course. Defending champ at BMW championship.

T-41, T-30, cut, T-44. Would have missed the cut if there was a cut this week since he won at Travelers. Not a hot hand. know he's going to bring it next week. Didn't make it on points. I think this, I think this one's, I think it's working out to his benefit.

It's becoming quite obvious that you should not pick himself. I think that's right. So you convinced me last Sunday. I'm bummed, yeah. Yeah, it was like, yeah, you're right.

I'm officially on your side now, so I'll like, the funny part is. In 11 years of podcasting, I've never seen a more outsized reaction to my take on this than the reaction to this. Like it is, I know some of it's you guys egged me on.

But I've never seen a gotten more feedback on something that I thought was so incredibly obvious. But we'll see what happens. I mean, Sally, like, let's say he finishes T-19. Is he in the, like, is it all just superfluous? Is it, you know, is it semantics? I, is it performance art? I think at this point, to him, would you be like, do you feel like you're the dude that won the travelers? Because you haven't shown that play in three months.

I mean, but all that could, like, everything you just said could go out. window if he finishes it could yeah i think if he top fives he probably picks himself probably but it's not looking his game is looking pretty off right now anyways uh this is i want to take us to uh the one as i mentioned but the one the one we're going to put in ink i think you guys will enjoy this one i want to give a shout to our friends at sofi the ultimate finance app for sponsoring today is sofi get your money right moment you can go to sophy dot com slash nl you to learn more about how you can get your money right with sofi plus you can nominate people in the comments if you want for get your money right moments but i am taking it this week i think

you guys can figure out i already told you what's going to be so i'm Tommy Tommy fleawood he's getting his money right well i'll not waiting but he's getting his money right for the audience sake uh you know i won't say the name right off the bat but this guy finished 61st in the FedEx cup last year which means uh he did not get automatically into the signature events this coming year uh then played throughout the fall earned his way into the aon next 10 by being which got you into Pebble and into Genesis, you know, through that Aon next 10, moved to You see it's not a closed shop? It's not a closed shop is exactly the point I'm making here, TC.

Didn't play well in either of those and would lose his access again to the SIGI events. However, he would finish T4 in Mexico and T4 at the Cognizant, which got him into Bay Hill through the Aon Swing 5. Aon keeps showing up in a lot of this as well. However, he would also play poorly in this stretch. He looked like he would lose his access again, but he would. would go on to win the Zurich with Andrew Novak, so it's not Andrew Novak. That got him into Truest.

He would then go on to finish T8 at the PGA. Then he wins the Schwab on its own. That gets him into Memorial, where he finished second. Of course, I'm talking about Ben Griffin. He would go on to make $8.83 million on the course this year. That includes the $501,000 that he got for this week for finishing T9. He also got $4.1 million from a combination of the Comcast Business Top 10 payout and the FedEx regular season payout, which adds up to $12.43 million. Also going to make $650K from being seventh in the current FedEx Cup after the FedEx St. Jude brings him to a total of $13.08 million made for Ben Griffin coming off a year, which he did not finish in the top 50 of the FedEx Cup.

in the prior year. That is getting your money right. So thanks again to our friends at SoFi, the All In One Finance app for sponsoring this segment. Go to sophy.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with SoFi plus. Solly, it seems like Scotty kind of got his money right,

just structuring, getting the Tours policy board to structure the bonuses as such. I've sitting here been stewing kind of like, man, if I was Scotty and just like was running away with all the points and they changed it midseason to be like a free for all. for the Tour Championship, how stupid that would be. I think he's getting $23 million in bonuses before he shows up to the Tour

Championship between Comcast Business Top 10, regular season FedEx bonus, St. Jude bonus and BMW bonus. He's going to be in first. After all of those, he's going to get $23 million before teeing it up and even the Tour Championship. Just in bonuses. Just in bonuses. Not even counting what he's made on the course this year, which I think is double-digit millions as well.

he's been $19.2 million so far this year. So he'll be over 40 when he shows up to the Tour Championship. Tiger tax, Randy. I'm probably underpaid. You know, we need to be, we might have to start levying some taxes on all these plumbers and firemen. Scott, he's going up against. Guys, as we crown the top 50, you know, the guys that have made their way into the signature events for next year. Yes.

the guys that finished right. JT. Posten was the 50th. Jonathan Vegas, Ricky Fowler, Tom Hogie, Bud Colley were the final five in. Chris Kirk, Aldrich Pot Geeter, Aaron Rye, Jordan Speef, Jake Knapp were the first five out. Did a little research on this. I was trying to keep track with you about the day. Coming into today, it was looking like a churn of 20 of the 50 guys from last year we're going to be rotating out and some new blood rotating in. I believe it has gone to 21 because there was someone that fell out that was inside the the top 50. So seeing 29 guys stay in the top 50. I think some of the the propaganda that was out there against this was that it was an entirely closed shop and these guys were just going to

keep regurgit. It's going to spit out the same guys no matter what because of how often they're playing these no cut signature big money events. They modeled it out to be about 18 out of 50 was the original numbers we were told of what they would expect to churn out and seeing even more churn than that. I'm wondering, do you guys think the signature event model is working? Is that a appropriate amount of churn you think you can see from year to year. Randy, go ahead. Yeah, it sounds like a good amount of churn. Listen, I like the signature events for, honestly, for maybe going to Hilton Head and making

that a signature event. That's only going to be every other year now. I know. I truly don't know if I care whether it's. It's a signature event or a regular PGA tour event, Sally, to answer your question. As a fan watching on TV or just attending? As a fan watching on TV as like how it has affect my experience. I'm glad there is some churn, of course.

Like that's very much needed. That's good. I don't know. I'm very ambivalent. I know that's not a great answer, but I'm just not sure. what I'm supposed to be like super excited about as a fan with these signature events. Yeah, Sally, I think that's probably mostly aligned. I think it's worked.

I mean, I think it's cut down on the number of guys we have to pay attention to. And then like you really have to play play very well to get, you know, to get into those. Like it's not a closed shop, I don't think. I'm a little bit concerned as to, you know, it's a two year mule replacement cycle, right? Like you've got guys that if you finish in the top 50, it's going to take you two years to lose your card, essentially, because you're going to fall out of the top 70. It's virtually impossible to go from 50th, like, you know, top 50 to losing your card completely.

So you're going to have two years in order to kind of get things together. You'd be surprised. Well, did McKenzie Hughes, or not McKenzie, did Adam Hadwin do that this year? Maybe. so Adam had one no there's there's more Adam hadwin was 47th last year he's 136 right now but again you can get your way into the top 100 through the fall series so that's not decided you still gotta get a get a jail free card nick dunlap kind of an 18 month thing 49th last year he finished 1 30 he's 135 currently now he's got he's got a wins max homa 46th he fell to 11th he's got wins he's exempt for quite some time Austin

He fell to 107th, but he has, I believe, another year off of at least a win as well. And it's not, like, and it's not that difficult for those guys that are, you know, one 11th to, to get inside the top 100 after fall series. Yeah. Right? Because that's, that's the important thing there. Alex Norn and Willis Altoris, both top 40 last year and both are outside the top 100. As of now, Billy Horshaw, he had surgery as well. Matthew Pavan.

Hurt, though, right? He heard as well. Matthew Pavon was 17th. He was 16th. So he's, he's falling out as well. So I think the biggest thing that I think is, is, you know, are the, are the, are the, are the up and comers able to get into these signature events? And I think for the most part, like, it may not be up and comers, but we've seen it with

Novak. We've seen it with Ben Griffin. You know, hopefully next year we'll see it with a guy like Carl Phillips, where, you know, like there, there is that, that springboard that, you know, is. pretty um it's you know it's pretty the pathway yeah yeah so i think there's gonna be we could have a problem in the future tc where there i don't think it's bucked its head yet where we have a situation where somebody's playing really good golf a young person playing really good golf but doesn't have a lot of status yet and is getting held out of events somebody like a ludwig like

talent coming along and they're just haven't qualified for these events yet but that's but that's where sponsor exemptions exactly where i was going is like what the problem we're going to run into is if they put a spieth in who's not playing well other above a Jackson Coyven who knocks the door down and would be one of the top 20 guys on the odds sheet. And we haven't even had one of those situations yet is what makes me want to say this is working. The ratings have been good for these things.

I think these are good golf tournaments. And we could, the sponsor exemptions could go away tomorrow and I'd be also totally fine with it. But I've been genuinely impressed with how the system has worked in terms of if you play well, you make it in, man. And there's a good example, J.J. Spahn being a good example of somebody that just beat the door down and made a shit ton of money in these things

and Ben Griffin like we just laid out and Andrew Novak has made a shit ton of money and he was coming out from outside the top 50 in these things and I don't know that's I think it goes to be said too of just how hard it is to get inside the top 50 as well like you look at somebody like Aaron Rye he's had a great year 53rd

yeah right you know you got Max Grazerman Highsmith um you know guys like that that are just like all right like that's like you got a true that's truly a meritocracy to get inside that top 50 whereas 50 to 70 feels a little bit superfluous so yeah I know we've talked about it I would feel a lot better if the sponsor exemptions went away for the signature events that that I can never square that in my mind or or if they go away for FedEx cup points you are there would happily accept that be part of the field and to to contribute to the tournament you make the money but you're not going to get points for it yeah i think that seems like a no-brainer compromise totally fair i think if you win maybe you get the points how about that it's

kind of like uh you know they they do that with member status validated with a win yeah they have a non-member fedex cup point list and and all that but anyways uh tomorrow those left in the playoff hunt will leave from memphis and fly to kaze valley for the bmw and on their way the majority them will be protecting their equipment while traveling using the number one golf travel bag on Tour Club Glove. Club Glove is trusted by players like Victor Hovlin, Brian Harmon, Bud Colleen, and more than 60% of PGA tour professionals. It's always been the absolute best in protection and durability, but this year got even better than new re-engineered clubglove travelers. Have 25% more padding, a premium valour line clubhead area, three times stronger

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Oh, are you not a stiff arm user? I haven't been. I've been tempting fate for way too long. I've never had it effective. I've never had to have a second arm. No. Oh, my God. Why would you not?

Why would you not? How many golf trip? I don't want to say it out loud. I don't need to jinx it, but we've been good so far. The new ones are so good with the velvet around the club heads. They're awesome. Any, you want to take us through? Provocative, too.

Sorry. You want to take us through some news and notes, do you see? Yeah, I'd be happy to. Let's see here. Let me see what I put down here. I've got quite a bit of, it was all wrapped up in Blandi, just, I don't know, the cleaks, just generally speaking. But I think the big thing that

Tour Championship, I'm hearing some rumors that they might float a little wrinkle in their week of, very, very harmless, but just shows kind of where they're at, that guys that are, you know, they will do a reverse draft of the guys that are in first position going into the Tour Championship and draft their place of like where they go off within the last. wave just the first round. Their first round tea time.

Yeah. Yeah. So like Scottie's like, you know what? I always go off last. I want to go off first today. And then you know, go rest afterwards. Very stupid, but it seems very stupid. That's like we had the, that was something we said years ago is

they should top seat should be able to pick their opponent for when we get to match play for the actual match play. Like that would be awesome. They live does that. Don't they? Or they used to. I don't know if they still do. Even just watching the U.S. Women's Am here, like, it's crazy that, I don't know, they're playing match play at like Band and Dunes, like most scenic places in the world in prime time. And we're going Memphis, you know, Baltimore and Atlanta in the height of summer. It's like, come on guys.

Like, let's, let's focus on the fans and the product here. This is a TV product. Sounds like somebody doesn't understand. Roll up. and then listen I'm going to be on site this week a lot of smoke around the Dylan Woo stuff I know there was a rules situation a DQ a few weeks ago

so more to come there I'm going to try to get some clarity on that but it sounds like a lot of layers there question for you guys did you read the Brody Miller piece in the athletic this week about you know anger on the golf course and whether or not we just see it more because there's cameras out there

or because guys are actually angrier or more pissy these days. I have not read it. I skimmed it. Yeah, I saw it. What are your thoughts? I thought there were some awesome, awesome anecdotes in there. Yeah. You know, guys like, I mean, a guy like taking a piss on his putter or just,

just some great stuff, like some like really colorful. creative antics in there. And I think that my thing was like, man, like, there's some good reporting here, but there's also like the central thesis of the piece was just so off of, like, I don't think anybody's angry at or, Sally,

I don't want to speak for you because I know you hate, hate Tyrell Hatton, but like, like I don't think anybody's angry at some of these guys for getting mad. It's, it's when like Wyndham Clark endangers a volunteer or damages the property. the property of the club and then like doesn't apologize for it or offer to fix it um you know like

it's stuff like that whereas like when when you know some of these like when Tommy Bolt wants to cuss up a storm and do all this stuff like that to me is entertaining like I I think we've celebrated that throughout all of NLU and so the fact that it's just like oh there's more cameras out there and some more of this stuff's getting caught and I'm like no it's just really boorish and shitty behavior that's being caught and it's it's not at all endearing or funny or anything like that it's just like no you're just being a dick man is that set off no i mean i think it's i don't know i kind of can see where i can't speak to players in the 90s were they getting pissed off more often i didn't have pj tour live back then so that's kind of

with the camera thing maybe comes into play at least a little bit uh i do think like getting mad and swearing on the golf course is very different, like you said, to, like, what Wyndham Clark did in the locker room at Oakmont and, you know, throwing a club and almost hitting a volunteer. And, like, I don't know if players are more mad now, but I don't know. I think we can all agree as fans. There's like a understandable amount of rage to expect on the golf course and a couple instances where it has crossed the line.

It's a turn-off, like, you know, it's not like you're not allowed to do it or it means your persona non grata if you make one mistake on the golf course i don't think that's it but it all speaks and ladders up to like what we think of you as a player and whether or not we root for you like the hat and stuff for me has gone way overboard or like i just don't i don't want to root for that guy it's just very unlikable behavior but um i don't know i'd be surprised i don't think players are more mad today than they were you know five 10 years ago or whatever no and i would say like guys were more mad even for like the money's higher now but i i just think it was a lot more interesting before and now it's just guys

acting like childish, churlish dickheads instead of like, you know, like Woody Austin banging his putter against his head or. It's kind of funny. Yeah, like that stuff's funny, right? Like there's some, there's some pizzazz and some

some cachet. Showmanship to that. I was going to say the guys who get away with it either in the moment or like they, you have to be able to laugh at yourself at some point or make fun of yourself. or you know i i tons of tommy bolt uh stories in this article tc and like some of that was funny i i don't know i think back into other sports major league baseball managers getting pissed off

the the rants that they go on it's it's a part of sport like i i think it's interesting i think it's fun to see it in golf it gives guys personalities a lot of time it just if there's not some like okay yeah you're going to show us like when you're pissed you're going to smash something you're going to break something like you at least got to be a little bit uh you got to make fun of yourself you got to show us that you're kind of in on the joke a little yeah you got to show some cheekiness i think to balance it out or at risk just going down like yeah dude this guy's just a fucking spoiled brat um that's that's the thing like when it's just uninhibited rage that a guy just straight up doesn't know how to control or manage.

Like, that's just, that's not good for anybody, right? And I think versus even a guy like Hatton, like, he's getting it out. But to me, it's still interesting. He's getting out in interesting ways, even if you don't feel like they're interesting. He's not just breaking his club over his knee and then stabbing a volunteer with it, you know. So anyway. did you guys see Connor Sim the putt that he

Oh my God This was amazing This was the highlight of the week There's a put from the back of The green at the Nexo championship In Scotland And Alex Meyer I just said to you guys Alex Meyer's tweet

It's like the worst The worst red speed on a putt Maybe you've ever seen He puts it from the back of this green All this Liggs course And it's rolling down wind And it rolls off the front of the ground It rolls like 50 yards down the fairway

I get it wasn't even And it looked intentional, honestly. It was one of the great highlights of the week. That was probably my favorite moment of the week. I feel like I've hit that putt before. Where you're just like, oh, God, yeah. Both downhill and way down the winds. Yeah.

Oh, damn, I wish I could have that one back. It was on the first hole, too. It was the first hole of the day. Maybe my guy didn't get any practice putts in, you know. He's just trying to feel it out as he goes. I think it was still accelerating when it got past the hole. to be fair it was a big strong golf course it was a very big strong golf course it's a big beautiful golf course uh what else you got jimmy hard kay this this happened a week ago but uh jim canals

won the colorado open last week just wanted to shout him out that was awesome the uh hard k is kind of semi retired works for paying now but uh one of our favorites from i think neal picked him in the in the fredex cup draft one here when we did it just really took to that and And he's been kind of a friend ever since, and just a good dude. And then there was a clerical error on the Corn Ferry Tour. This was reported by Ryan French over at Monday Q Info. He said a clerical error by the PGA tour has led to something I've never heard of. MJ DeFui, or however you pronounce his name, is currently T4, but he's not supposed to be in the field.

And Rahan Thomas, who sat on the range all day today, Thursday, as the first alternate before not getting in, should be in the field. Clerical error was made after DeFue. I think it's Duffy. Failed to earn the points necessary through his medical exemption on the PGA tour. His last start for his medical was a few weeks ago at the Isco. Players were given a certain amount of starts

to earn a certain amount of points to retain their card when coming back from injury. When he wasn't able to keep his PGA tour card through the medical, Duffy should have been taken out of PGA tour, not exempt for current event. however by mistake he wasn't therefore this week he got a spot in the field they kind of let it go and they will figure out and and rayhan thomas's dad flew in from Dubai for the event

uh just not great he was 107th in points the start was vital and they're they're going to work with him to find a solution here moving forward but uh i feel like the tour takes care of a lot of administrative stuff they do a pretty decent job of it and every year there's maybe one of these instances where you know something is going to fall through the cracks or they've i think they've changed the rules enough times over the last 18 24 36 months to where we're bound to get a few of these right yeah there's so many categories and so many crossovers and corn fairy and exempt the medical stuff is where my mind ends up in a pretzel like it is that's just very challenging but yeah it's i remember that

Remember that one year when like Poulter found an error or something in the FedEx Cup? Yeah. Or somebody else found an error and it led to Poulter keeping his card or something like that. Way back in like 2014 or something like that. Any big takeaways from Bowling Brook from from Live Chicago? Did you watch much of that? I didn't watch much of it after attending last year. I forgot.

He went to that bowling break. You know, Bermister, Bermister won. He got the dub. three-way playoff of Romm and Biasair. Biasair's playing some pretty good golf right now. I don't know who won the team. Let's see here. Singer.

Singer won the team. They beat Torque. In a playoff, a team playoff. They had a team playoff as well. What did they stage first? The individual playoff or? The individual playoff was first. Yeah, I didn't make it over.

I only made it over in time to see the team playoff. my big my big takeaway iron heads were last the cleaks were second to last despite blandy finishing t10 uh he had her up he's not good he's really really not good so uh we got we got our we got our work cut out for us uh let me see what the standings look like going into waco is still number one he's ahead of rom and then uh team wise legion three 13 has a pretty commanding lead over the crushers right now. And the cleaks are in third to last.

It goes, high flyers are ahead of them and then cleaks, majestics, and ironheads. Ironheads have only managed one point all year. Are you guys following, I'm seeing the high flyers are now in 10th place. You fall in Phil and this sock, this Sable offshore adventure he's got going on Twitter. I don't understand any of it,

but I know, From history, for history's sake, I think I'm rooting for Phil on this one because I'm a little nervous about what it might mean for the future of professional golf if there's some court rulings that go against one of his investments here. I don't know how much worse he can make it, but I just, I'm rooting for Phil in this one. Is this a pump and dump scheme? So I have zero idea what you're talking about. Phil has been blowing up Twitter about this, about whatever is going on at Sable offshore,

this company where he clearly has a lot of holdings. every tweet's about sock dollar sign sock sock sock uh he's very very very into the weeds on all the people running it and whatever the hell is going on there again i don't know what's going on i'm just rooting for phil here because i don't i don't want to it sounds like something that we need to dig into on wednesday's happy hour somebody comes in with like a business planner perspective in a case looks like there's a class action make your pitch i say all this because that's clearly a bigger priority for phil than the the the franchise that he is general manager of, which

sits 10th out of 13 teams. We got the files floating out there potentially. A lot on Phil's play right now. A lot. Hudson Swoffer did an interview on golf subpar this past week. He mentioned I caught a snippet of it, but the part that was circulating a lot

was him mentioning he said he had some back and forth with the PGA tour, but then some wishy-washy. It's still not set in stone. I know they've set up that I'm suspended until 27. which I know they're basing on a couple of people's contracts being up after the 26th season so they can kind of change the rules in favor of everyone coming back. He's saying because he played five events, he basically got a one-year suspension for every

event that he played on live, but kind of also is saying the tour is setting it up to be able to just say, hey, with everybody, you know, with 27 being the potential year of people coming back, either at the end of 27 or beginning of 27, I couldn't quite understand, but basically kind of insinuating that the tour might be lining it up so they can just give amnesty for everyone to come back after people's contracts are up in 26 again couldn't tell if they'd still be suspended for 27 and can start again in 28 or go to Q school at the end of 27 but that's kind of the first I think I feel like we've heard somebody speak on how long they're suspended for what the communications like that have been from the tour yeah because because everything

I'd heard was like all right we got to get through 25. five and then some of these guys will be their live contracts are up and they'll be at limbo or whatever but uh it's refreshing to hear huds speak out on it a little bit he's he seems like one of the ones that's been maybe the most regrets of like man why the fuck what i leave here right yeah i yeah i don't know i mean it i go back to we had uh davis love on right when this was happened who was a sea island guy of course as well and like he i get He said he had talked directly to Hudson and told him, like, hey, here's what's going to happen if you do this.

And Hudson was like, no, I'm going to be able to play both. And Davis-Lov was like, no, you are not. Like, don't do this. Like, you're not going to be able to do it. I don't understand why he would have ever thought he would have been able to play both. Like, I don't think that's ever been a realistic. Bad counsel. Well, and he kind of ended the, end of the clip that I saw.

You know, he said, you know, Scotty said something the other day about, like, you know, you know if you want to go talk to the guys that left this tour like go to one of their events wherever they're playing this week and go talk to them about why we're not together he was like he doesn't understand like we would like to play the pga tour like we would want to do that but it's the pga tour's policy that doesn't let us do that it's like oh my god are we seriously going to still do this horse and cart thing again like clearly you violated the rule like this is what was going to happen you were going to get suspended like don't we know you'd like to play the pGA tour events but you didn't follow the rules that would

allow you to do that. The one thing HUD didn't do is he didn't sue the tour, right? I don't believe he was part of the lawsuit. I don't think he was one of the ones in the lawsuit. He's got that in his back pocket. Bryson, Abe Answer. That's

a name I haven't thought about in a long time. Sorry, some pop-ups on this. Bryson, Abe Ancer, Carl Sortiz, Pat Perez, Jason Cochrak, Peter U-Line, Taylor Gooch, Hudson Swofford, and Matt Jones. He was one of the three that was seeking the temporary restraining order to allow him to compete in the playoffs that year. And so, yes, he was on the original lawsuit. So he's got that going for him as well.

So anyways, check that interview was on golf subpar if you want to hear the full time. Let me just say, the FedEx today, in my opinion, was not missing a Hudson Swafford. But if he comes back and he plays great. you know say love you that'll be wonderful you can earn your way back um and as mentioned we are i believe megagone is three up with eight holes to play here as the u.s women's am is heading towards wrapping up we're going to catch the end of that hopefully she gets to uh 16 win it on 16 what a great hold will win it on it's abandoned dunes the actual band and dunes course it's been great evening watching all week long um just shout out to the usGA for getting to you know

bringing us this event and it's been great, great TV to watch and it's great to watch this golf course, not only in primetime, but in great Nick and in some wind and some conditions and watching a lot of talented women play it. Megagane beat Ila Golitsky, Carrie Holenbaugh, Anna Davis, and Kaylee Romero to get to this final. And then also beat, I'm sorry,

she beat Ella Skaysbrook to get to the final. Brooke Bierman, she's playing in the final. Skaysbrook was, she was wildly, wildly impressive she was a buzz saw until i believe until the quarterfinals she lost to no she won five and four in the quarterfinals and then and then yeah gone i beat her in 19 holes and i mean both both semi-final matches were were one extra hole they were it was awesome driver out the deck uh i thought mbc did a did a nice job with it overall uh although coming on you know coming on live with like you know 23 holes into the match and the final is

a little bit of a bummer uh always happens with their men's side too like they just they they don't televise that first was it no no peacock or anything this morning i don't think so yeah i don't think so but i mean it was like i i i tend to think the the thursday what thursday i think was was round of 32 and then 16 and and you know uh it was It was like the Thursday, Friday, Saturday, but like Thursday, Friday especially was awesome. I mean, just great, great matches. I'm excited for the men this week or the, the USAM is at the Olympic Club in San Francisco. Should be good.

But yeah, like, I feel like this crop of ladies, and I have nothing to support this, this is all anecdotal, subjective. It seems like a lot of them, like a lot of the best ladies in this kind of co. Hort are they step up to the plate and they play well like when when the lights are are brightest you look at um you know like jasmine coo has been awesome uh ray e fang she played well at the at the u.s woman's open but uh kira romero um gallitzki's a really good player you've got uh yeah um you know asteris tally made it through uh made it through stroke play and like, I don't know. It was just, it was like high quality golf all the way through and a little bit

slow pace of play, especially from the Michigan State, um, beerman who's in the, in the finals. But, um, but yeah, just like quality golf and band and dunes, it's man, like, what a, what a nice, nice thing to turn on the TV and see. Uh, and just, you know, the wind was howling, uh, Friday and, you know, really Thursday of Friday, uh, wind was howling. And, you know, greens were getting really, really spicy by the end of the day, Saturday, too. I'm just watching.

I believe it's Jim Gallagher, Jr. I hope I have that right. I have it on mute, of course, but is out there rolling balls on the 12th show and how you can roll one up to the back bank and it comes down. But if you roll it a foot too far, it's going off the cliff behind with a great, I mean, NBC, like, you know, when they get away from some of these contracts and they just kind of do their own thing, like, it's a really good telecast. And they're previewing the holes that are upcoming, which we've always said we want them to do in some of the championships they cover. and it's just good TV and I'm excited to watch the I kind of wish one thing I wish they would do is make the put the finals on like a Monday or Tuesday and give us the good stuff on Saturday Sunday yeah

give us the really good like give us the quarters that you know those those four matches on the course at the same time I like give us that on Sunday night if it's a prime time thing that would be killer I like that a lot speaking about the USGA what can you tell us about the USGA media rights um oh my gosh sally this was a yeah i don't know whether to be terrified here or or glad that the USGA is going to get there there was a report earlier this week from awful announcing that the USGA was girding themselves for getting a much much lower uh fee on an annual basis than what they've they've been getting but uh it sounds like NBC and versant are getting a you know they're close to reupping this

This is per Pucks John Urund. Great newsletter, by the way. But it would keep the U.S. Open, the U.S. women's open, the broadcast network, USA Network, and Golf Channel. I assume it would spin the other stuff off for the most part on to Peacock or Verson or whatever. But the new agreement expected to be announced later this month also marks Verson's first sports rights deal,

the Mark Lazarus-led company, which is comprised of former NBC Universal cable channels officially spins off later this year. This is the Spinco. And yeah, it sounds like, you know, basically NBC is going from around 40 million per year. You know, they were paying, what, 40 to 50 cents on the dollar or 30 to 40 cents on the dollar for what Fox was paying. Fox was saying 93 million annually. Yeah.

And NBC was paying about 40 million of that. And it sounds like they're, you know, they're going to get somewhat close to that $90 million. number which as a golf fan terrifies me right because man if we're getting this as a lost leader right now to you know with laden with commercials and just really and I know how important it is to have it on the networks that sort of thing but I don't know it's it's an interesting time where you've got like I know the NFL took took you know what 20% of ESPN this week and it was almost the NFL investing in having a competitor to bid against the Netflix's

and the Amazon's and the tech companies of the world and it sounded like Netflix was right there with the USGA. They wanted this thing and USGA kind of used them to bid it up. But man at some point like

I'm not sure if I would have liked Netflix to win this or if that would have sucked as well. Right? Because it's like it feels like Fox even like kind of kind of even worse than Fox, right? Like, who knows how they're going to cover the U.S.

open? Yeah, it's hard to get talent for, you know, yeah, for one week or a series of weeks, you know, but that's kind of what Fox struggled with and it just didn't seem like there was a real through line there. So at least there was a through line with NBC and hopefully it, if NBC didn't get it, I would fear for kind of their investment in golf going forward as it stands, you know, and we have. Or I would have been overjoyed.

Kind of it would have been a good thing. Yeah. But then on the flip side, you've got CBS. that just, you know, Ellison just took over with Skydance this week, CBS, and who knows what they're going to do. But I don't know. It's all convoluted right now. But bottom line is it sounds like, you know,

the next 10 years are going to look pretty similar to the last, you know, five or six years as far as coverage goes, at least on the major side. So I was hoping ESPN would jump in with a big thing now that they've got their, you know, ESPN flagship thing, sorted. So, in Randy, they did have a sense of humor for this week. I think they've paired William King, Pavel Sarr, and Keenan royalty together at the USAM. We like that. That's nice.

Get a tickle from you. Somebody, yeah, somebody that makes up the pairings had a good chuckle with that. And I'm right there with you. Yeah. And, you know, it's, it's less malicious than like the fat pairing that they've done in the past. And then, listen, we don't do it often here, but I'm going to shout out the 31,000. I'm going to shout out, which I love the 31,000. It's their leadership that I struggle with.

PGA of America. Thank you for now picking Charlie Woods for the U.S. Junior Rider Cup team. Nothing against Charlie Woods. I just didn't think he had earned his spot on the team and would have been kind of an outlier based on the guys who had. And they did the right thing. So, Sally, you got to be, you got to be thrilled about that. I'm thrilled, yes. We need some new blood on the U.S. Junior Rider Cup team.

We'd say that all along. And, you know, Morgan Pressel, I saw the press release that she's, she's going to come out of the booth to captain the U.S. Junior Solheim Cup team next year. I thought, at first, I thought, like, that she was going to come out of the booth permanently to do that. But here we are. So, we have the BMW championship coming up this week. You and Neil are going to be heading up to that at Caves Valley. Like you mentioned, the U.S. Amateur will be this week. And then we have the tour championship the next week.

And then that is end of the PGA tour season. And we will have a Ryder Cup roundtable recording that tomorrow. That'll be out on Tuesday. Myself, T.C., Kyle Porter, Jamie Weir doing our August check-in on all things, Ryder Cup. siloed that one off from today's show. Couldn't help ourselves from talking about it a little bit, but you can expect that to hit your inboxes here.

Solly, how many locks do we have? I'd have to look at my big board. My big board's in a different room. This room wasn't big enough to hold it all. But I feel like there's three locked picks. I feel like if I off the top my head. No, four locked picks. JT, Can't Lay, Morikawa, and Griffin would be the four locked picks.

Really? Four? And then the six guys that are making it on points. that's 10 oh okay okay yeah yeah okay six you got 10 on you got two guys all right you got two spots i would say it's got her up and young if we were sitting here right now how i guessed it would go but but mb could play well next week what's that mav could make it's getting it's getting late in the game to be like to be you know deciding these these i don't think it's late at all i think they're right there to just be deciding on how you played a certain week

I think is, you know. Because we didn't talk about it all tonight, but I'm kind of glad Aaron Rye didn't fall out this week to make things really, really difficult. You might have a Harry Hall situation on your hands, but we can save that for tomorrow. Okay. Anything else before we wrap?

I think that's it. TC, sorry about your guy. Our guys, Holly. I know, he's our guy, but I feel like you're a little bit more emotionally invested in this than I am. But it was a bummer. At least it was an excellent, excellent, excellent watch today. And I'll ride with you.

I'll still ride with you. I think it's going to happen. And I still am a Tommy, Tommy Fleetwood stand. So thank you. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. Cody, running the ones and twos. Our friends at high noon, titleist, and club glove also are so fine. Serve Pro Mulligan's segments.

We'll be back live. We've got Happy Hour Wednesday and from the BMW Championship. We'll be live again next Sunday as well. Crack on. Cheers. Randy, sorry about your guy too, man. I thank you thank you red's one and a half back let's go