No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1061: Tommy wins the Tour Championship!

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Go on, Tommy! Tommy Fleetwood (-18) wins the Tour Championship at East Lake by three over Russell Henley (-15) and Patrick Cantlay (-15). Corey Conners (-14), Scottie Scheffler (-14), and Cam Young (-15) round out your top 5. Join us as TC calls in from on-site, we discuss Tour Championship week, LIV Team Championship results, Brooke Henderson wins her National Open, and Alex Noren gets his first win in seven years at the British Masters. Some Ryder Cup talk, news and notes, and more. Presented by High Noon - Suns Up! Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf TC's Mystery Box: subscribe.nolayingup.com/giveaway Support our sponsors: Titleist - and the new T Series irons Rhoback - rhoback.com/nlu for NLU x Erin Hills ServPro - Like it never even happened SoFi - Get Your Money Right at https://www.sofi.com/nlu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the NoLega podcast celebratory edition. Solly here, joined by my guy, Mr. DJ Pi. Hello, Pie, man. We are living in a world where Tommy Flewitt is a PGA tour winner. A world I didn't know that we would ever see, Sally. I hope that we would. I thought that we might. And now that we're here, it's just a feeling I wasn't even entirely ready for.

So I'm excited to break it all down. T.C. is, of course, going to be in later. He's roaming the grounds of East Lake. I'm sure just picking up all kinds of fodder and nuggets and shotgunning anything he can find. I'm sure we will see him later. So I look forward to that as well. And got a hand to him. T.C. called it.

I mean, he did. He called it. He said Tommy was going to win, and he did. You do got to hand it to him. I mean, I'm not sure what he's shooting on these shots, but he got one to go. It's impressive, man. Anytime, anytime, you know, you got to hand it to TC, I think at the end of the day. He flew, he did fly up this morning to Atlanta.

He's flying back tonight. He wanted everyone to know middle seat both ways as well. I know, a man of the people. Yeah, we'd love to, we'd love to give him credit for, you know, he doesn't usually fly all the way to the tournament than not have Tavi win. So, you know, you know this was going to be a real one today. we're going to put them on trial for all the questions you're asking 30 man field preferred lies all that stuff we'll get there i promise but the no laying up live shows brought to of course by our friends at high noon high noon knows tequila people only have eyes for tequila that's why they crafted the perfect tequila seltzer made with real tequila selter made with a smooth taste it's 100 calories made with no added sugar just premium ingredients that taste as real as the vibe their tequila seltzer comes in six delicious flavors lime strawberry passion fruit grapefruit blood orange and prickly pair, and you can go to high noonspirits.com to find high noon tequila seltzer near you.

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I think we're going to get into that. Live Indianapolis, the team championship is still winding down as we speak. I believe the Crusher's and Legion 13 are still duking it out. So we will keep you posted as new information comes out there. Your guy, Alex Noren, wins the Betfred British Masters, presented by Cernick Faldo. That was an exciting one this morning. And on the LPGA, another feel good stories all over the place.

Brooke Henderson wins her home country's event, I believe for the second time up in Canada. The CPKC Women's Open is the... Just got to be the Canadian Women's Open. Yeah, exactly. But on the PJ Tour, I think we're probably going to start. there. Tommy Fleetwood and Patrick Cantlay entered the final round tied for the lead at East Lake. Cantlay comes out and Bertie's the first, sorry, plays the first two and three over.

Kind of a dream start. There's been a couple of these Tommy 54 whole leads that were not a dream start. A little bit much more comfy today. Today kind of felt like the day right out of the blocks. I don't know if that's how you felt, but we will get to that. Tommy Bertie's the second. He does give one back at the fifth, but then Bertie six and seven scrambles for par. at the short 8th. That was an electric hole as he blew it about 70 yards right of the drivable par four there,

kept it out of the water with his chip and then gets it up and down for a nervy par. He led by three over Keegan, Russell Henley, and Patrick Cantlay at that point. Tommy then, bogey's 10, but comes back. We talked a little bit about this in his post-rounder, but a little bit of an adjustment to his process there. I think things were moving a little quickly

after that bogey on 10. Steadies himself, Bertie's 12, birdie's 13 can't lay you know he's he's not going away starts the the back nine birdie boge birdie he's three back picks up a shot on tommy on 15 but it was not threatening from there tommy just cruises to a three shot win we were talking about it in slack i mean it was over really like kisner kind of called it out on the broadcast i thought but like 16 you know you put one in the fairway here this is a couple big boy shots to to kind of put this thing on ice and three shots with two to play was like man the way he's

driving the ball the way he's putting the ball. I know we've seen it fall apart before, but it felt like a pretty sure thing. And, you know, despite his comment that three shots didn't feel like quite that much coming down to the par five finisher, he still cruises to a victory with a par at the last, that little gimpy kind of, kind of lag putt with the pretty putt was fitting to set up the, you know, the forage tap it. It was just, it was good stuff. What, we go a lot of different directions.

Yeah. What's your first impression here? I'm so happy for Tommy, you know, let's just put, I want to put all, put that stuff aside. I was kind of joking a little bit earlier, but I know people have questions about the format. Is it feel like a cheap win and all that stuff? Let's put FedEx Cup aside and to just say, like, this is a golf tournament with a ton of the top best players in the world. I know it's, it's only 30 guys, but it's all of the best ones on the PGA tour. So it's still a golf tournament.

It's very hard to win. I think it, this in my book are drastically different experiences. is a drastically different experience than like the hero, right? Which I think we kind of all view as a joke. But the tour championship is a season long qualification to get to. You got to play great golf. And they trim, you know, trim everybody down to get to that final 30. So it's only the best.

And so I just, this is a full on win. Does it feel cheap that he won the FedEx Cup, which I think, again, they. It's like a storybook. I don't know if they nailed that one. Like, we could, that's not his fault, though, all this to say. Like, this is a very real win. And I'm just so very. happy for Tommy. He's just like, you know, I feel like we end up saying this a lot about a lot of guys

out there, but he stands out in terms of just when you're talking to him, like, you just feel like you're talking to a real human. You're not talking to, I don't know, and I don't mean to pick on anyone in particular, but like I don't feel like I don't feel the same way when I talk to Colin Morikawa or even like Jordan Spee or Justin Thomas or some of these guys. Like Tommy's just like one of the most real guys out there. So I'm in the putting green on Wednesday. Immediately just comes right up. He's like, hey, how's the fam? How are the kids? Like he was, he just is extremely, extremely normal. And even more normal was we were talking about the 15th hole. And, you know, he was helping me strategize a little bit for the Creator Classic. He didn't really help. But we were talking

about the 15th hole in that new tea and how crazy hard that was. And I was joking. I was like, man, if I'm a couple under, spoiler that I wasn't, I might lay up to the, if we're playing that back team, I might just lay up to one of the other tee boxes. And he goes, dude, I thought the same exact thing. I thought the same thing. It's like, if I had a big league, should I lay up to one of the front boxes? But he's like, I don't want to get in some of that long, rough Bermuda around those T boxes. So sure enough, he gets to 15T today. He's got a three-shot lead.

And I was like, oh, my God, is he going to lay it up? But he was just joking about that a few dates before. And I don't know, he's got a ton of resilience. I have so much respect for his game. I think we all, I hope I can speak for everyone. I said we all thought he was going to win one of these. It had just gone on so long with so much pain that you wondered how he was going to react the next time he was in that situation.

And he aced the test, man. He honestly Deber made me feel weary today. I did not see the different Tommy. Other than how long it took him to pull a club on 15, which made me very, very, very nervous. I saw nothing today out there that made me nervous. Yeah, I agree. I would say a couple of things.

I always love, I don't know, from a content perspective and from a TC perspective, and oh, man, your guy lost. like it is you do sometimes got to separate like the i've met this guy and he's very nice and i root for him as a human being with well i'm also a sports fan and not everybody's going to win every week and sometimes it's interesting to watch people lose and see what happens next and so i know all that kind of gets like tangled together and and stuff but man he's he's really like the ultimate compliment i think is he's very interesting he's been very interesting to listen to after a loss

you know not everybody's like that and he's he's been wildly open about you know trying to put on a brave face in the moment he always he always talks he always says like that was really hard you know and but man i'm going to learn stuff he's relentlessly positive which is awesome uh and i loved hearing his quotes about like you know the kind of cheesy perspective stuff but talking about you know what he would tell his kids if they're in this situation his kids are older now he's got an older stepson obviously and so he's got like he just lives a very interesting life and i think has a very interesting perspective because of that and that has made it so much more fun to follow and obviously to see him break through.

And the other thing I would say, and this is you can go ahead and take this as a victory lap for Big Ton, if you'd like. But you also don't, you don't become one of these guys without playing unbelievably good golf. You know, it's not like they just put you in second place on the last day. And then, oh, look, he fumbled it again.

What an idiot. You know, like you got to play really good golf to constantly keep putting yourself in that position. 164 starts just to go through the numbers a little bit. 30 top five finishes in that stretch 30 top five finishes in 164 starts is that right i think yeah i think that's right i looked it up i don't not believe you i just like i mean jor dot com 30 top five finishes in 100 actually 31 now in 164 starts six runners up and not only that but you know i was gonna we'll talk like playoffs stuff later there is i'm not a fan of the playoffs and we can talk about

what to do with it going forward. But there is something cool about somebody who does play good in all of them back to back to back. T3 at Memphis obviously had a great chance to win there. T4 at BMW and wins this week. Looking at the strokes game stuff, just to step on your turf. I mean, he's been the fourth best player in the world over the last, just in calendar year 2025 behind Scottie, Rory, and Rom. And this is a seventh top five finish on tour in 19 starts this year. I mean, it's just, it's been really freaking good golf. And so it is a. again from a like watching the buffalo bills lose the super bowl type of perspective like it would have been crazy if he didn't get a win but it also is like a from you know the perspective of rooting

for a guy who does all the right stuff who works his ass off who treats everybody the right way it's like come on man we got we got to get one he's got to break through eventually so i don't know that's kind of a lot but that was there was a lot going through my head watching today yeah and it's look did the tour kind of bungle the you know the fedex cup championship but if you know I kind of our beef has long been like it's not actual playoff but if there was one like he got the hottest in the playoffs and then get saved the best performance for last year point I honestly hadn't thought of that so you spelled it out T3 Memphis T4 BMW and winning this one like a and look I'm glad that this tournament was just a straightforward golf tournament and it would have been

the worst if he would have I don't know the actual math I'm assuming Scotty would have won or would they have taught it actually would be close because he beat him by what four he beat scotty by four he beat scotty by four and Tommy wasn't second coming in? I don't know. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We don't need to analyze that because, you know, they played it straight up, but it is, it's, uh,

can I, can I pause on that real quick? I'm good on the, uh, what do you think of this brand new format? So I felt like I heard that enough times this week. This, what do you think of this crazy format that they cooked out? It's like, well, it's a 72 old stroke play event. Like, I don't, I think we've actually seen.

this one before like the last couple weeks i think actually they did this but anyway in their defense it was a brand new way of crowning the fedex cup champion because you know obviously the previous version had a tour championship and a fedex cup but uh yeah again i also just don't know if i'd be bragging about that because it seems like the only year they're actually going to do that but tommy's problem has just been like problem i use that in quotes has been he's so steady he's so consistent he's always there but his peak weeks just haven't peaked hard enough right and that's how golfers ultimately end up getting judged in their career like if you are really really consistent don't win a lot you get talked about as somebody

that can't close the deal more often than we celebrate how good you are at golf but uh very very happy for him happy for tc who's riding you know has to be right on heck of a high and uh i know he's going to pop in here uh eventually when he can't but i think oh sorry only other thing i'll say about tommy then we can move on to some other stuff until tron gets here but the the other thing that i'm blown away by every time i kind of dive into the numbers or look at his game or he's just great at everything yeah he reminds me a lot of scottie reminds me a lot of zander reminds me a lot of like these dudes who are not one or two dimensional players they're they're much more like you know we're joking on slack uh about how we should start calling scotty

the pentagon because he's just an outlier in every all five tools basically and you know Tommy doesn't hit it quite as far but he's not one of those guys it's just like a freak with one skill set like oh it's his iron play just you know is is the whole thing it's It's like, no, he's very, very, very, very good at, like, pretty much everything. And you could feel that coming down the stretch, right? I mean, like, his, his putter was great, a great speed, even when he got, like, very, very nervous. Drove the ball, like, I know he was, like, low in strokes gained today, but, like, I don't know where that came from or where the big losses were, but I had nothing but confidence in his driver and that mini driver as he's coming down the stretch. It was just kind of a, I don't know, it was a very well-rounded,

kind of masterclass speaking speaking of masterclasses the professor i think just popped into the uh just popped into the uh just popped into the green screen uh tc it is uh it is now a world where where tommy fleetwood is a pj tour winner all credit to tc must credit tc what the floor is yours my man oh we did it guys we did it i uh i don't know i just just gave him a big hug on 18 green Was he surprised to see you? Did he know you were coming? He was. I tried to stay out of view, you know, following him those last 13 or 14 holes or so.

Finno saw me pretty early on. And Finno had said a few weeks ago, after Memphis, he said, I've been saying it all, like, the last half of the season, he's going to win Atlanta. He's going to win Atlanta. I was kind of in the back of my mind. And then, you know, watching yesterday, it just felt a little bit different. And then today, like, this support out there for him was unbelievable. I think the Atlanta drive is going to need to make a trade for this guy because they were you know the Pat Mahat was not not the not the hometown favorite

here I mean Tommy was it was immense people were people were just just all for him it was awesome so he played great um yeah I thought the pot on like the birdie on seven the put on eight were just immense hit a really good iron into nine and then and then you know just kind of kind of a squirly drive just like you sally on 10 and then after that it just it just didn't really feel in question uh he did this stuff he needed to do he is he was awesome with his irons today and i think that was the big difference between travelers or memphis and today was the iron play and really all week the iron play was was like the tommy fleetwood we know so uh tc do i'm trying to think of where we where we go do we want to start i think we just hit this head on

man field they're playing the ball up this is a question Twitter question from rehab all-star is a limited field no cut ball in hand TIO relief aided win now known as the TC way many people are asking uh you know what if that's the TC way you know I tell you what else is the TC way a 10 million dollar check that's that's the TC way because I was just talking to Finno and Finno said you know I don't care how many people were in this field you see the size of that check and uh you know it was attrition i feel like this this play this playoffs was just like who could stay engaged the longest and um i don't know i mean it was you know not crazy hot out here but certainly humid i don't think

they i don't think they should have been playing it up the last couple days uh Thursday friday i can see it there's some mud out there but didn't really feel feel like it was soft underfoot at all on the zoisia um you know i was hoping he was going to blow on into the 18th grandstand there on the second shot into 18 and like really really cap it off because you got the TIO on on eight and uh man that was that one kind of made my heart flutter a little bit uh thought that thing was going for the water a little bit and then can't let it's such a good shot from there too um but no you know to anybody that that that wants to hate that's their prerogative uh he just won golf's ultimate prize right you know it's it's it's it's everything on slack it's basically like winning four majors you know

Exactly. He won the whole season. He won the whole season. It's crazy. All the marbles. That's what LeBron said, wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like going, it's like, it's like sneaking in on a wild card birth and then you run the table, you know? And I don't know, I truly, I think hopefully this opens up the floodgates for him. But, you know, I think the monkey's off of his back and he did this stuff he had to do. Like it was, it's not like he beat a bunch of plumbers and firemen. And, like, he, you know, Cantlay, Henley, Schaeffler, like, they were all here this week. Rory, I mean, you know, he just, he went out and won the thing. There are. He played awesome the last three months.

I, of course agree. Of course agree. That is not how you behaved after Fiena won the Northern Trust at Liberty National. That wasn't a golf's ultimate prize. That was a bigger field. That was a wild card round. That doesn't even count. You know, sorry, I'm sitting here in Atlanta.

I'm drinking an ice cold, D.C. literally in Atlanta company, right? Truly. The chairman was out there on the green just now. Shout to push. Yeah, T.C., it's, I was kind of thinking about that today. I'm like lamenting, you know, from a, the storybook perspective. I'm like, man, it would have been, it would have been fun if it was at a major.

It would have been fun if that's where the breakthrough happened. But it wouldn't have been fun if it was like the 3M or something, no offense to anybody at some of the lesser PJ tour events. But that wouldn't have been as good. There is the very unofficial DJ Pi, does this event have juice or not index? And that's just going on Twitter and text messages and just are people watching and this event had juice. You know, people were behind Tommy and willing them on. And it sounds like, you know, you kind of like breeze past a little bit, but that's very much sounds like the on the ground experience as well. Yeah.

I think, I mean, I think part of the reason this event had juice was because of Tommy. Oh, for sure. If that had been Cantlay going on winning by three, this would not be a celebratory occasion. Guter real out here. Yeah, I think, you know, like, I mean, the marshals on, I was talking to. You know, okay. Slid that in there. Keith and Alex, the Marshalls on 13.

They were like, you know, they were like, man, like just like they were chair. It was just everybody was just aligned around it. And really cool setting, like 15, like that green. I mean, that was made, like, it seems like that was made for NBC to fly. drones around that thing and get you know depth of field shots and stuff but yeah i totally agree dj i think you know having uh having big cat on our side or still big cat he was you know we kind of joined forces on this yeah yeah he i think he threw 2 500 bucks on tommt him him and pmt and i like i think they made over 100 grand on tommy's win uh it was just or tc's going to wet his

beak of that no like i was talking to urban brokerage brokerage you know our buddy or Alex serving the tournament director and you know talking to some guys on the tournament committee like everybody was like what a great winner like what an awesome awesome finale and and you know who knows it sounds like this thing may not be here past next year or they'll rotate it around but man it's truly i don't know it felt like it felt like there was juice and uh it didn't feel like that the other playoff events quite as much this year and so i think golf kind of needed this because i think i think the playoffs in the finals or whatever were just kind of an afterthought this year up until now and you know you won the whole thing so well so this is going to be

kind of a backhanded way to get into this sallie i think but it's like i don't know if i don't know if golf fans necessarily sit back now today on august 24th and be like let me reflect on the season the season is over because you still have the rider cup and i was going through transcripts today and it's like again we can get into like the tour championship and what needs to change and whatever but it's like man every every question in the transcript is about the rider cup and that's like that's tough for your Super Bowl, right? And so that's one thing. But the second thing is, like, if you do take a second to look at the season as a whole,

very good season, man, like a lot of dimension to this season, a lot of storylines, a lot of, like, fun, fun stuff. So I know you were kind of scratch with that earlier. Yeah, we can do this now. This was going to be my surf pro mulligan with surf pro. The number one brand and cleanup and restoration is known for making any mess like it never even happened. I don't, you know, this is a mull. again that like it's kind of like a breakfast ball like I knew that first you know that first

ball going way left an obias that was in the models right I this is a justified error I've made but I've been pretty down on the PGA tour in past years especially you know two years ago and kind of most of last year I just I did not have like this this season in mind as this feeling I had watching golf this year that came back I was not expecting it is a really really strong year for the PGA tour and I know we were paid heavily to say that out loud by the PGA tour, of course. But, I mean, just when you think of Rory, what do you get in the early. You're getting paid in the early part of this year. And I know the majors are a different thing, but like you kind of, I don't know,

I'm counting that in this entire golf season as a whole. Like I felt like the PGA tour helped lift up the majors as well. We had Rory playing great going into it. Obviously, he goes and wins the Masters. And you get Scotty winning two more. JJ Spahn was not the big name winner. But that was really, really exciting. and you spawn better because of his runner-up to Rory at the players.

And just a massive run of winners. You had Scotty greatness yet. And you end like book in the year with kind of getting your Tommy storyline as being like, our nanny comes on Sundays to help for the live shows. And like she's seen enough Tommy like collapses this year that she knows nothing about golf. And she was like, I caught her like watching it today because she really wanted Tommy to win. Like there was an actual real storyline there. and it came to conclusion.

And I don't know, man. I just, I feel like this was a, that plus the hope we're kind of experiencing with the roll-up transition has me weirdly bullish on the PGA tour when like, honestly, I thought we were going to be entering like a quagmire stage where men's pro golf was going to be relatively unwatchable for the better part of the rest of this decade. And I just don't feel that way as we sit here now.

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surfplow, but Surve Pro, maybe we just put some fans in the basement. And this could be something I can clean up on my own. But I kind of felt the same way about NBC a little bit today. And I just want to be a little fair and balanced in that like watching the tournament yesterday was a little like there's no chance I'm staying away awake for this. This is a bit of a slog. This is a tough ask. Getting to that back nine today when it got to commercial free was a reminder that like, man, they have the tools.

They know what they're doing. There's all the people are in place. When you give the commentators a little more space to set stuff up, when everybody can kind of ham and egg it to, together it's really watchable and it made like it reminded me of watching you know golf 10 years ago and and how sucked into Sunday afternoons I feel like I used to get and it is just it's just impossible with the normal commercial load and so what is tough is like I know we always say that same thing after the players and we say the same thing after this tournament and like I just don't want to get into a world where 90% of the Sundays like absolutely suck and are unwatchable

garbage because of the commercial load and 10% are saved. Like I don't need it to be commercial free. I just need like some of those bigger blocks where they can just exhale a little bit and kind of slow the tempo and like actually help you get into the golf rather than just like the crystal meth we're trying to fly around as fast as we can and catch up. And oh God, here comes another commercial is where I'm just like, I'll just probably look at my phone instead. So anyways, TC, I know you didn't watch the broadcast today.

No, that was honestly, that was part of the reason I came up to here today. Like, I was going to drive myself insane watching on TV today because yesterday, like, the entire front nine, it was just not a, not a great product. So I'm glad it was better today. Yeah. So I think they need to, like, look, you know, again, this is lighting money on fire in a way, but we're talking about tour championship and we talk about the players differently than like all other PJ tour events in terms of how they're covered from a commercial standpoint, right? So I think the next step is making the signature events. It's going to be hard to get them all the way to that level. Feel signature.

But it's just got to feel different. like that's and i don't know if that's a 2026 realistic thing honestly but that's that's we just got to get the rider cup too oh that's gonna do not get your hopes up for that right promise you that's going to be a disaster but uh do you see uh anything else from kind of on the grounds any anything else in the notebook that stuck out to you um i learned who are these people called jet and oh pookie jet and pokey jet yeah martin kept telling me about them i i walked by them earlier and he and Gabby were like you don't know who Pookie and Jad are I'd no idea who they are uh so now I know uh can't lay was so slow I mean so slow and like they just kept

warning them but like they're like we're clearly not going to do it yeah you guys better those two holes behind better clean your room I swear to God if you don't clean your room Patrick um I mean the you know the T on 15 is so it's such a novelty but it's it's sick like i was standing back there where tommy's ball went i was like please put this please put this um i think 15's cool i do like that little that little bailout area kind of long or long left or whatever that is it's like it's a cool little wrinkle to it i think 17 not entirely do or die you know but it is it's it's an ask it's a little harsh that left side of the green doesn't maybe need to you know we're going to miss on one side you know

which side I'm picking. It's a hard enough shot that I don't know if they need that runoff area with this, that team, that combination is really tough. But it was like, I mean, when Tommy was playing 13, I was thinking about him hitting that shot. That's a good thing for this tournament to say like, it's not over until you hit that shot. El Capitan did not have the same luck in fortune that, you know, that Tommy had. He's absolutely picking himself, solid. I know he is. That's the word here on site. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But, uh, You know, it's good. And, yeah, kind of, it's good, like, this, I want to do the, this tournament needs an identity at this golf course, but I don't think it's going to stay there. So it's kind of not really had much of a point in doing it. But like, this and like making nine, 260 yards on Saturday was like, yes, like, okay, yeah, make it really, make it really, make it really, make it really, number one, guys were hitting lumber into that on, on Friday and Saturday. It was playing so freaking long. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's do that. Like, let's make this a little bit different than a normal.

golf, week-to-week golf tournament. So, listen, could we shave that rough left of eight and maybe a copy time's ball should not have hung up there? Sure. It's a pretty severe slope. Like, I see what they were thinking with growing that rough up, but like either soften the slope or save the rough down, like, or both. It's, yeah.

And I think the front is still that stretched from like two to six back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And it feels like it's, it's all this really good land around the lake and it all kind goes like this down to the lake but it all goes straight back and straight down to the lake instead of instead of kind of weaving around it's a pretty it's a pretty unartful routing which granted it it's better now that that's not the back nine you know i know it's quite a few years since they've switched that but that was always like attending it in person was just like you get to those holes and it's like such a slog to to to get through what did you

guys think at eight we were talking about this on slack a little bit i i again going back to the days where i used to like cover this tournament all you know every year when that was the 17th hole. It was always like, man, this hole's like close to being something, but it's not really. And other than the weird Bill Hoss year where you hit that shot of the water, it's just kind of like, just kind of a not much of a hole. And I, I don't know, here's what I'll say. Is it the world's greatest hole ever? I don't know, probably not. But every time somebody got to that hole today and the ball was in the air was the time where I was like locked on the screen, like, ooh, I'm actually, I'm interested to see what happens. So I don't know,

Sallie, what was your, what was your thoughts about? It was just kind of, if you looked at the overhead image of that hole like you could kind of hit it anywhere up there and everybody was making birdie i think as of the time we're not 70 yards right that was 18 of the 28 guys or whatever that had played it had made birdie the rest had made par and kisner i thought pretty really really well he's like yeah you've got to go for it here if you really pull one left you're in the water but you can just drop right by the green and try to get up and down for par it was kind of like you know you know that's a really good point of like it is even the biggest and there's a strip of rough to save it and the biggest punishment is like yeah you're probably still going to have a really

good chance of getting up and down for par just makes it i think there's too much going on with the green like the green's too big and there's too much going on um yeah i'm kind of with you so like but but then like dge it's almost like it's it's not a it gets like it gets your attention and i think seven's of like seven's one of the stronger holes out here i think six and seven are really good and so six seven eight's awesome i think the hole that they should bump up and make driverable is 17 i think that hole over the trees with that cross bump I think that hole could be all world if they kept working on it. And that used to be one of the weakest spots in the mouth course.

Yeah, that's true. Any other thoughts on kind of Eastlake at large? I was, I was, I thought it played better this year than it has in the past. I thought I was a little more locked in than I have been in, you know, the past decade or so. And I think the changes are starting to like really work. That said, like, is it still, is it the best fit for this tournament? probably not i don't know if you tc i don't know if you had anything kind of to to add east lake writ large i think you said it earlier on slack pretty well it was like is it is it much improved yet

if it's still kind of think yeah like i think both those things are true um and i just think if you were going to design a course to host the dramatic season ending championship you would design something that had at least a par five between seven and seventeen or some part three's with more character aside from five, like the other part threes are pretty banal. And it's just, you know, but it's a much better iteration of Eastlake.

I just think the, like, the ceiling's not very high. I was surprised in the early part of the week when there was rain and weather, especially like Saturday. Some cloud cover honestly made a big difference for me watching on television. Like it just did. It just not in that harsh sun, you know, light

where everybody looks like such a slog. It was I don't know. It just hit a little bit differently. used a couple different camera angles this this week as well to like remind you of the slopes and it was i get there you know playing in the creator classic thing you get to 16 green you're like holy shit how did i not know it looked like this like that is kind of a crime i mean it is like the slope is 10 feet high green side i mean it's massive and so it is like i i wonder if we would think differently of it if we got more low stuff and saw and like had a better understanding of even like was it Cam Young's pitch on 15 today.

Faxon thought he was going to put it for sure. And Camion just stepped, like they didn't set up the shot at all. Camion just steps up and chips it and knocks it stone dead. And I was like, okay, why did he think he was going to putt it? Like you didn't really set the scene for what the challenge of that shot is. On the other side, like Bones on 18, when Cantley was chipping was like he cannot land this all the way up on top, has to hit a little punch run up. And it was decided by then.

But kind of the whole thing with that redo, they have done a good job with the greens. Like it's impressive. It's short grass around the greens. Like we're always requesting. There's good contouring. It's like none of that comes alive when you use tower cams. So it's hard to like say that that has a massive impact on the viewing experience of this turn. So I think the other thing, I mean, long Bermuda rough, like it, I think it kind of makes it.

So it's not, it's not just a driving contest. There's interesting recovery shots. I saw a lot of guys just pitch it out and having to get up and down with, with, like, I mean, can't lay on 16, right? You know, that was dead down there. But I think, and weirdly, I feel like yesterday I was watching, I think every 10 minutes I felt like I was watching Cam Young hit a flop shot from like a short-sided spot.

I love his action around the dreams. Bad lie. And it went so high. And I couldn't tell whether it was going to be 50 feet long in the green or land, you know, just short of the green. And most of them were dead on. So, yeah, there was. like it's a much better golf course than it was three or four years ago that much is true i i feel like

maybe now well let me get to a couple other a couple other performances just people we hadn't mentioned russell henley can't lay share second scotty looked i don't know if he was out of gas or what was up with tc maybe arriving on site he had put the left miss on in play uh today but scottie cam young and cori connor's t four j t sam burns and kegan t seven an electric three ball of there considering this week got her up in ben griffin t 10 rory was down at t 23 honestly kind kind of just out of sight out of mind for me all week uh Colin another kind of forgettable week for him t 19 sep rider cup locks sep straca dFL uh the little 77 on saturday was it was intriguing uh some interesting some interesting quotes from colin uh just about his iron play

i would i would encourage people to go go read talking about how you know he's He's like, I know the numbers look good, but I'm just, I'm not as comfortable as I should be with the irons. And when I'm looking left side of 15, I should be able to just hit that shot on repeat. And there's no way that that ball should be going in that left water or even flirting with that left side. It just, it was interesting considering, you know, I don't want to get in the full Rider Cup thing now, but everybody kind of seems to be on the on the side of like, oh, he's both things are true. He's like been fairly irrelevant and not playing well and is also like an absolute lock for. for this team so just kind of another another uh you know proof positive maybe for for that take but do we want to there's no i cannot respond to this without us doing a 20 minute writer cup thing

do we want to get into this now tc i'm trying to get anything else from the week yeah no i'm happy to be here with that um i kind of want to get into i was trying to get before we go there is uh just we're talking to east lake we're talking the the finale like what i feel like we've talked a lot God, I was laughing my ass off driving back, listening to the happy hour this week, T.C. where you were very flummoxed by like, hey, did we put out a call for people to send us? Three more after that. I know. I've been getting a ton as well.

They're like, not only, it's just very funny. I love and appreciate everybody who says a bit because I like reading of it. They're very interesting, but they're always like 2,000 words long. So long. You know, and it's just, I'm like, not too complicated. Like, that's the problem. I think it's going to make it simpler. but as quick as you guys can do it so i'll start with you what should the end of the season look like

as quick as we can make i i spent actually a lot of time on this today uh trying to make the math work and i wanted to try to double up here to say top 50 you know that that signature event 50 that's your playoff structure couldn't make the 50 work with the bracket but i can make 48 work with a bracket right so let's let's give away 48 exemptions into the signature events uh it's everybody that makes the playoffs okay if you make the playoffs uh the top eight in the regular season get a triple buy the next eight get double buys and the remaining 32 are going to play off until you get to eight okay so match play match play match play the playoffs are match play you can have 18 whole match play or eight it's it's let me correct myself tc they're going to play

stroke play matches right because that that's i'm kind of using a little bit of some information we've got about what the tour was considering and how far along they got in things, which is it's still a match. That's all I really care about. It doesn't have to be match play as much as it is like a match against somebody is very easy to understand. So again, let's throw out that we play three tournaments in the playoffs.

I'm throwing that part out all to say like we're going to play probably a longer regular season. Maybe BMW is the final event of the regular season. where you can go from 100 to 50 or to 48 when you get out of that tournament. I don't, I haven't thought enough about that, but I'll just say if we're going to do a playoff for the finals, I'd say like that's a massive, massive win. If you're in the top eight, a triple buy, like you are automatically advanced to the round of 16.

You've got to win, what, four matches and you're the FedEx Cup champion. And you're fresher than all the guys coming through. Fresher. And so, yeah, and if you're in the next day, you get a double buy. You just got to win one extra match than those other guys. but 32 guys play to get to 8. Then the double-by guys come in, and then the winners of those matches,

you know, go play the guys that got the triple-bys. It'd be 36 holes on Tuesday. So all the 30-the-mules can fight it out on Tuesday for 36 holes, get them all tired. Then, you know, you play the single-byes enter on Wednesday, the double-bys enter on Thursday. So it goes from 16 down to eight, semifinals, finals. Or you can do it where, again, what the tour was considering,

was landing on a final of four guys playing stroke play, which I think, you know, it's, I get really excited about one-on-one for it all, but like the likelihood that we're going to get a more exciting final is bigger if you have four people in the final. So I can get down with that. Slide the days around a little bit, maybe make it a little bit less grueling. And I think you've got something. Baller West Coast venue. Pebble would obviously be incredible. That's obviously, that's always what's thrown out. But having in prime time, a nice weather location that people aren't dreading being at and create a real atmosphere around it

and kind of you can be previewing the matchups almost all year long. I don't know. I think there's something along those lines that's there. That's not the full dream. That's like where I think there's like a realistic final conclusion. Let me go next because I kind of am fishing in the same pond. I think the first thing that's worth saying,

and this is my opinion and who knows how the FedEx deal works. And like I'm just, if we're truly going like blank sheet of paper, everything's on the table let's just like start with what a fan wants to see me as a fan putting on my fan hat i would say the fedex cup has been around for almost 20 years and the first two legs have done almost nothing for me any year i can very sorry i'm not picking on you i felt the same way i kind of forgot that tommy was like oh yeah he did go t3 t4 like it once you get to the final like people very easily forget there's very few there's billy horschel you know winning the last two which everybody points to but there's just very few like man remember when

you know Brian Davis like he just he grinded it out and he punched his card and then he just didn't make it through the next week or maybe did and he finished like 26 at the tour like nobody gives a shit about that stuff as much as they've kind of tried to to hammer that that's just not where the juice is I don't think but having said that I think Eastlake has turned into like a good venue for a big golf tournament there seemed like like there was a ton of juice out there. People were showing out for it. It seems like there's a ton of sponsorship out there for it. BMW, people know how we feel about that. That's one of the best events of the year. And I think it should be one of the best events of the year. I don't

think it needs to say playoffs on it. Sali, I was with you where I'm just like, man, make that the this gets into a longer conversation that I'm going to skip. But if we're clearly trending towards two tours, right? Like there is the play in tour and there is the big tour. Make the BMW be championship like the windum of the big tour right like that's the last one before the championship playing for seating everything's on the line we're going to figure out what the what the matchups are going to be and then you get to east lake or not east lake sorry for aiding slip we get away from east lake we go somewhere else you get to the tour championship and it is just it's those stroke play matches and i think there's you know people get really worried about like well what about

the how can we go to this final event and we're playing a totally different format which I was thinking about and first of all it's like you're still trying to get the ball in the hole and this should be a totally different format yeah we have plenty of golf tournaments right the whole thing but even if you wanted to take that into account it's like I I get I really liked that the tour was floating these stroke play matches and even like can't lay and you know let's say can't lay and Tommy were playing for the final today which they basically were it's like man you get to you know even if one guy has a three shot lead a four shot lead like in stroke play that's not over by any means, especially if you're at a golf course where there's some fireworks down

the stretch. TPC Scottsdale comes to mind. I saw somebody throw out as an option. If you got a place where it's like you got a couple holes or you can make a double or an eagle coming down, it's like a five-up lead in matchplay is a death sentence, but a five-stroke lead in match play is like not really the end of the world. And so long, long-winded way of saying, I think get rid of the idea of the playoffs have one big final smash and grab this is this is it we're going head to head and i think you can find a new home for bmw and atlanta and i think you get rid of memphis no offense to memphis but that's that's we're trying to put a square peg in a round hole there i don't think that's working i'm down with all that i think the uh i think they need

to add a match play event back to the regular season schedule as well what if that can even factor in You know, you get some sort of, you get some sort of advantage or buy or something. If you win that, yeah, you automatically get one of the double buys if you win that. That would be fantastic. Because I think one of the things over the last three weeks that I realized is like all these guys that, you know, top 70, the top 50 last week, top 30 this week, there's half the field's more than 10 shots back. They've got to be exhausted by Saturday morning. And they're just playing out the string. And it's just a death march out there for three weeks in a row for, you know, a guy.

I know step with Drew from Memphis but you know a guy like Morikawa right or like Rory like Rory's just like he's got to be like man I cannot wait to get out of here and then you guys don't want to like work that hard right now because they want to rest up a little bit and then start getting ready for the Rider Cup you know and I also think just with I think you are going to do a match play playing or cut it down often those best rounds were like the quarter finals like the round of 16 or the you know or the round of eight or the round of four more so than the finals so it's like do those on saturday and sunday and then and then have the last round or two have that be the you know the monday night tuesday night prime time kind of thing

you know and then you kind of got the best of both worlds there right it's a cool idea i like that and like i don't think it just has to be west coast too like you can like go to the go to the right parts of the country year-round because I think they need to rethink all like we can get into this on next week's podcast but I think they need to rethink just when they go to certain parts of the country like going to the northeast and doing something you know every few years in a in August would be killer right the days are long it's it's gorgeous all that and it's like I don't think it just has to be west coast just so it's prime time because I'm assuming they're going to try to get the Europeans in the boat too you know and the Europeans like that freezes them out a little

I think the prime time plug is like, because there's all the million reasons why things don't happen. It's like trying to throw a bone. I'm like, the ratings will be better if you do this in prime time, right? You can almost guarantee we'll have good ratings if you do this in prime time. So let's meet in the middle here on you don't understand contracts. I agree with you from a golf fan's perspective. But I think if we're going to make it work from a from a business perspective, that's where I'm coming from at least with West Coast. It just feels like this whole thing right now is just out of like professional courtesy.

We're just going to keep hosting this thing because this is what Tim Finchum said we were going to do. It was in November. It was a fall event in the way like we're in the southeast. Then they tried to tack this on as like, hey, we, this is going to be our owned and operated property and all of that. And, you know, they got three big corporate partners that, that pay a great deal for it here. And, but it's just, it's just never taken hold. It's never taken off. I'm like, it's time to break stuff.

It's time to do new things. And I think we got the right guy in place to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think one thing, just to close the book on that, it is hard to have this conversation without then that trickling into, okay, well, what do they do with the other signatures? And what do they do with the, how many cards do they give?

And who gets into all these events? And I think there is a really big conversation to be had with that whole let's break stuff and what are we putting on the blank sheet of paper that Brian Rulap alluded to in the press conference. We don't have a lot of tournament golf next week. So I think we're going to unpack a lot of that on next week's show. But I think from a season-ending finale anyways, I think it's worth. kind of digging into what's worked and what hasn't and I think it's also to your point to each i mean we're not like blown smoke up people's asses when you know or just like regurgitating what roll app

is saying like every sense we are getting from the tour right now is changes on the table like various like you just don't you know if you're the CEO of this tour it is a no bullshit guy going up and saying expect significant change like now's the time to talk about this stuff you know we're just speculating of course from from fans per second but get excited I would invite fans to get excited about how things might change or could change and we're going to talk about that next week as you're set so I saw last one I'll float I saw somebody in the comments like if if we're looking to move we me if I'm looking to move uh BMW and Atlanta kind of into the schedule somewhere like what if you had Atlanta leading into Augusta like how that would be killer right

and like it makes everybody's life easier can you rework things to like a point where you know Eastlake's really going to shine the weather's good and like I don't know it just seems like there's a better way to do it than constant thunderstorm watch every time you turn into the broadcast. And some of it is like, I know the West Coast swing is this sacred thing, but like they go to the West Coast is the worst time of the year for the West Coast, too. Right. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

I mean, honestly, this is where the Jenga set, it gets really hard, Deeds, because you say Atlanta right before Augusta, I'm saying, okay, well, now we're doing overseed at East Lake. You know, is that what the members want to do with their club over the course of a winter? I don't know. It does get complicated very quickly, but we're going to... The members at this club are a bunch of corporations. It's true. That's true. I'm just saying, like, that's...

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vegan celebrating, the place was popping off. People were celebrating his win at the done vegan and chanting Finno. I just, the world is happy right now. It really is. Who, this is another good run. Perry Wompson, who is the, who is now the best player to have never won on the PGA tour? I kind of struggled with this one. Luke Clinton, of course, right? Of course. Jackson Coorson. But it might be Jackson Coy then. Is it Camtring Goli? Who?

Good question. 7-0 match part now. Right? Yeah. That's an, that would be a fun stack. I mean, who would be the other? I mean, who would be the other? I don't know. uh i was trying to look through there's a lot of these guys that have won kind of like opo event so it's kind of hard to remember denny mccarthy is the second most earnings without a win

i was going to say him it was a hard it's a hard drop off after i mean Alex noren also on that list he won on that other tour today he did uh yeah we might need to that was awesome by the way that was ben on has uh ben on and and denny mccarthy are the most money earned without having 1-1, both over 21 million. It doesn't do quite, it's not quite the same storybook. No offense to any of those people, but it's not quite the same resume that we're talking about. It is worth note for how far up Tommy Fleetwood was on that list.

Like it's worth asking that question for like, yeah, this was a long time coming. All right, let's get to it. Let's get to it. Keegan, I'll just start it this way. Keegan steps to the 15th hole, just contending. a chance to win this golf tournament everybody in the golf world is just is he going to pick himself and this i missed i missed all of this this means absolutely nothing this means absolutely nothing but i i weirdly i i i don't click on a lot of the replies on twitter but all the kegan stuff i do

just because i'm like man what are like what do people think of this and it is a true 50 50 the most confident people you've ever met in the world i ran a poll dege early this week way he's picking himself of course he's picking himself it like i What was the poll? 60, 40 to no. Like should, should, do you think he should pick himself? Should or is going to? Yeah, that's a good question.

That's a very different question. You have to talk to your pollsters. And also, there was a ton of Europeans in the replies being like, we are stuffing the ballot box for yes right now because this is the dumbest thing ever. So again, this shot means nothing, but it was just the kind of like, I think the best example we've had of just like, man, big moment, bright lights. Is he going to, what if he won this golf tournament? Is he going to hit a shot here? could not have been in the water faster just like no chance no chance makes double uh it comes back in birdie birdie's the 18th and finishes whatever t-7 but uh so i don't know where do you want to

where do you want to take it where do you want to start so oh gosh how how far do we want to peel back sol he's just going to bring up the the straight change over the last three months because that's the only thing that matters but we can't pick the hot hand that tc i i i embrace all of this because i can flip it so easily back on Europe, all of it back on Europe so quickly. So please, you can keep all that holstered or you can throw whatever you want at that because it gets very easy, very quickly here. I think it kind of felt like down that back nine, we at least were watching and wondering if it's coming down to like Keegan playing well this week, right? Because he's not playing well coming into this week. I mean, he's had a really rough time, honestly,

since he won the travelers. In my mind, it was becoming quite clear. that common sense was going to win out that's not what we're hearing it's what's going to happen hearing kegan talk it certainly does not seem like common sense is close to winning out here so let's look at this through a different lens to pick himself he either has to snub or leave off whatever phrase you want to use Cameron young Sam burns Colin Moracawa or Ben Griffin right I think we'd say JT and Cantlay are making the team pretty definitively right but you're already They have speed on, you're saying. More likely than not the speed.

And we can't speed out now. I assume so. I don't know. But I've, so I've heard from different people. Like I've heard somebody told me today, I'm hearing Griffin is out. Somebody told me today. That's what I kept hearing today, too. Which, again, I would be startling.

So then we're getting to this, back to this question of like, how can Keegan do that to any of these guys, right? Like, there's a way this could have worked out where there wasn't a 12th guy and it was like, dude, Kagan, you're playing really well and like the next guy up. Let's say the next guy up was Goderup. Right now, I could be like,

you could see the case for Kagan and be like, no, I'm picking myself over Godrup. And I know, I don't mean literally this week, he beat him by one shot this week, but like, Goderup not trending in the right direction, I would say probably not going to make the team. If it came down to that and Kegan, like, wanted to pick himself, I think the whole thing's stupid to begin with,

but like getting to this point, I'd be like, all right, we've made it this far, dude, just do it. And maybe this will work out. As it stands now, he's not played better golf than Burns or Young over this time period. Pretty able-bodied men that have stepped up to the line here, I think is what you're getting at. So, like, the best case I think you have is like, hey, Colin, you are beyond repair at this point, which I don't know that to be true. I would bet on more Akawa's talent.

We're getting four to five weeks out from this thing. Like, it's not, we're not like playing the hot hand game necessarily here. I would bet on Morikawa's talent more than I would. I think you absolutely leave Morikawa off. That's the guy I'm leaving off. I, if you do, like, would you apply that logic, though, to the European team? That's the case.

You're leaving some of these guys are the way out of form way off as well. Like, if it's, hey, their form is this bad. Like, Shane Lowry should be off the team then on Europe's side. That's the case. He's a lion, though. He's a stalwart. He's a lion. He's, you know, he carried, carried.

Rory's corpse around there. I think Shane will be fine. I think I would love to see both Hoygardes. You know, obviously that sucks for Fitz. I think Fitz has had his chances and needs to qualify on points or make it more definitive. You kind of bottle it today at the, you know, at the British Masters in front of Sir Nick, the great man, Sir Nick. But, you know, Sally, I think I think Cam Young has to be on the team. I have one person a tour player texting me saying he thinks Cam Young gets left off right so like

don't like all three these like leave you like if you leave off any of those four yeah and I know burns is not a favorite amongst people but like do you want this to be about the gall like Sam wasn't wasn't part of Burns his whole appeal like he can play with Scotty but you've got him to play with Scotty so you don't really need Burns I would not if the appeal is like how Burns has to play with Scotty, I would not advocate for him to be on the team. I'm not even like strongly advocating for him. I think he's a pedigree is a player. Yeah, he's a good player who makes a ton of butts.

Yeah, like I think his pedigree speaks volumes and I think he would be a solid pick. Like in a non-key, same thing I've said dating back to when we first started this in a non-kegan captain year, does he can have a great case to make, you know, to make this team? Absolutely. Do I think this is still one of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed a captain do, even bringing along to this point? Yes, which makes me think he's, most definitely picking himself.

Hell yeah, which means one of these guys is getting left home. And I think it's... Kisner's in his ear. Kisner and Woodland and those guys are in his ear. You've got to pick yourself, man. You got to pick yourself. God.

All right. I have three things I want to say. One, I think it's very funny. And so you're always beating this drum. And I totally agree that like the Netflix thing ended up painting it as if it was Kegan or J.T. And in reality, it was probably Kegan or Sam Burns. And so it's very funny.

to me now that it's Keegan or Sam Burns again. So is Keegan going to do that to someone with his own power is like a cold-blooded move that I don't know if he has in him. Totally, totally agree. Number two, it is a golf exhibition and it doesn't, it's not that serious, which I keep because as you're doing that, that Kisner impression, I'm like, yeah, that is, it is kind of sick. Like, it would be fun to watch.

And I think people would be very into it, which brings me to number three. saw if he does pick himself and he does have everybody in the state of new york just rocking the boat and he does play well it will be one of the fucking coolest things ever ever ever and if he doesn't obviously we know the flip side of that coin as well but it's it's i don't know man it is kind of a i waffle on it like all day i feel like i don't know i don't know like part of me is almost like man the upside of like how dope that would be is I kind of I kind of could get down with it but man if you're an underdog sure you're favorite at home like why do you have to do this right and like everyone that's fucking legends man ever been involved with doing this is like no

you can't do both these same torrents that it'd be the worst decision ever made by a captain and he's been involved in how many it goes well so again everything i say is through the lens of like trying to win this event and i realize a lot of people view it this event and vent differently than that. So it is strictly from the perspective of like, hey, is this the best strategy for Team USA to be following? I very much do not believe it is. Now, at this point, maybe it does just make sense to pick yourself. Like, you've already dragged it this far and like you clearly want to and are clearly going to do it. Like, I don't know, man. It just seems like you put way too much pressure on yourself, even if you do pick yourself. And that, it's not where

the decisions have to stop either. How you play yourself, how often you do? Do you bench yourself if you play poorly? Where do you send yourself out in singles? Just a fucking mess, dude. I just I don't I think Colin is getting such a free pass he's played awful he got boat raced in Rome both both with partners and by Victor in singles I know he played well at with some straights that ain't the same Colin we're looking at and and I feel like he all he's also someone who isn't bringing energy to the table and I just think you need some new juice I did not Yeah

Going back to T8 at the Rocket The Rocket Classic Missed the cut at the Scottish Miss the cut at the open T22 out of 70 guys at FedEx T33 out of 50 guys at BMW And then whatever I said T19 out of 30

This week So the flip side of that coin Is like we still got you know Almost a month Or over a month There is and it's also like Kikin's been not involved in one of these For so long that he's viewed as new juice

like he hasn't been a part of two Ryder Cup teams that both lost. He needs to be on the team. But they both lost. I've seen these tweets like, this is what the U.S. needs. Like, he hasn't already played on two Ryder Cup teams that lost. It has to happen. It has to happen. Like, what?

It has to happen. Do people just have amnesia? Like, we've done this. Like, it's not like... Just the fact that he's, the fact that he's sucking up all of this oxygen to begin to, in and of itself is, like, just horrendous. Right? It's fascinating. Meanwhile, Dodo and Luke and the boys, everybody's playing well over it at the

Belfrey for Sir Nick. Everybody's playing well. Marco Pinge and beating down the door again. There's like three guys. The rest of them were at the bottom of the line up of the door championship. Oh, man. What's the, what's kind of the, yeah, I guess we'll know on Wednesday, right? They make the pick.

Yeah, so they switched this from Monday to Monday. it was really hard to find the date and a long time ago I wrote down that it was the 25th. I don't know when or if it switched but it was not, it wasn't even on the damn website of when they were going to do it. It was after Tour Championship so I may have had the date wrong to begin with but apparently it's on Wednesday. I thought

it was tomorrow. They're taking Keegan to Top Golf and they're going to have them just go through the one of the combines out there, see how he stands up. I just don't get like how he has treated this as if it's out of his hands with all these quotes like nobody knows what's going to happen, man. We don't

we don't know what's going to happen porter tweeted this out so there was a question do you have clarity for wednesday kegan said no because i think no matter what decision i make here i could have gone the other way easily no matter what the only thing i care about is on sunday of the rider cup that we win the rider cup then i'll know i made the right decision until then i won't know it's going to be pretty wild whatever decision we make we're going to have to live with it i love the guys on our team they're all playing great it's real it's just really something else it's awesome i just don't know know how you can say that kegan's not playing well i mean he hasn't been playing well since he won he's not been playing well since he won he's not he's

been like the 80th best player in the world since the beginning of july small sample size or not like he's not he was playing great through the travelers and he has not been very good since then even this like yeah i do have a problem with some of the OWGR or the data golf stuff too of like let's say you're 10 shots off the lead on Saturday in Memphis or at BMW and you're just like man let me just get this thing in the house conserve energy like that's being one. weighted as much as one of your great rounds or whatever and i don't think all these rounds are created equal or all these i do think like ceiling matters ceiling matters but i think it's too many people view that as like the only thing like as in like if you win and you miss a cut like

that's not for a match play give me the guy goes t10 back-to-back weeks like it for sure matters in match but you don't get to just cherry pick the top events i'm not saying you're saying that but people that's how people view it i just think you're i just think you're tossing out like a lot of the floor stuff or a lot of like kegan makes a bunch of birdies and he gets up and down a lot he does stuff that like counts in match play he did a lot of that stuff in the first half of the year not doing as much in the second half and he's the captain that's my whole thing like i mean did you guys read the quotes about this week where he was talking about like yeah i barely like got to practice for this tournament at all because i was doing all this rider come stuff i'm out of

beth page i got to go to this breakfast i only had time to play nine holes and bubble and it was like sneak up on those guys and give him the tickets that page red with all the cameras whatever yeah It's like he's talking to DT about DT for like coming into the team room on, on, you know, Friday night. What a security disaster that's going to be of like announcing that you're going to be there. Trump posted some stuff about the PJ tour inviting him over, which again is just, it's not the organization that runs the event. Although maybe who knows, now the tour is going to Derao. So maybe it was a PJ tour that invited him over. But, yeah, all right, let's let's put a bow on this because we're going to have a lot more to talk about on Wednesday when it actually does happen.

This is the last time we're going to talk about it before the picks are made on the show. That's what I was going to say. What should happen? What will happen? Sorry. I do have one thing before you guys. Cody's been scowling down there. I was like, we got to go to Cody.

No, no, no, no. I ran a poll just because I know wording matters a lot. I put up Will Keegan pick himself. We have 613 votes. 83% yes, 17%. God. Tony, what do you think? What do you think? Should he pick himself? Will he pick himself? Should he know? Will he? Yes. I mean, there's no reason why we've gotten this far. We're almost 90 days into this thing now. They changed the rules for this specifically. And I don't know how this is bettering the team outside of it's all for Keegan's personal ego. And I know that might seem like overly harsh, but it's because he, he truly believes that he and he is playing really good golf. But.

like i think and they keep showing his kids that it's no longer he doesn't view it as as like him letting himself down it's him letting his kids down the cutaways to the kids are like NBC broadcasting the right i know it's starting to feel bigger than golf guys it's wild and and no one if he picks if he picks himself or not it doesn't it's either way the last 60 to 90 days have not help team USA one bit. It's only solidified team Europe. And it honestly, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter. Because if we go with that justification, if he plays good, that means that he's lacking in his captaincy rule. And somebody else has to fill in the slack there. It is turned into like literally like the, so part of the reason I've always rooted

for the U.S. is I've wanted them to solve the puzzle, like do things like Europe. After 21, Podrick Harrington said like the U.S. has copied everything we're doing. we've lost our advantage i bought into that completely then they went with z j and now they're doing this like they're taking the literal i also don't think podrick do what he was doing the literal opposite approach of like the team concept and making it so entirely about one person's personal vendetta that it's almost kind of comical of like that's sick good job pj of america seth wall's got to own this one man i'm a big seth wall guy this one i think it's mission accomplished everybody's talking about it right then then you're not playing to win this thing and that's

another problem. Because I think about it, okay, so he doesn't pick himself, they lose. He picks himself, they lose. Picks himself, they win. Okay, that's kind of expected anyway. Right. The U.S. is expected to win this. There's, there's, don't need to mix up the formula at home. Like I know people want new things, new blood. You've dominated the last two at home. Like, you've dominated. What if the cat shows up and says on, on Tuesday? What's wrong? It says, I am, I am the captain. Look at me.

Hegan's playing on the captain now. For content, that would be great for STC. And maybe I'm viewing this thing entirely wrong. I should be only viewing it for what makes the best content. It is, God, it is funny, man. I know people have said this, but it is funny. Was that 2019 at Roe Melbourne, the President's Cup? Yeah.

Where Tiger was the playing captain. I was like, yeah, no, that makes sense. That's fucking the President's God. And it's Tiger. Eli Harden asked that. It could be wrong, but I don't remember much opposition to that. Well, they also flew in like two days before from the Bahamas. All right, T.C., what do you think?

What should he do? What will he do? I think he's going to pick himself 100%. Like, do I think he should? Like, absolutely not, but it's sick. I'm off, I'm off for it. And I think... Who gets left at home?

I heard it enough times today that I'm legitimately worried for Ben Griffin. um that i think that's the only result of getting super upset i think kegan needs to leave calling at home i think that's what he should do uh i think you leave kegan or uh you leave sam burns and uh calling at home i think you bring cam young and kegan so he's going to bring i god i mean this just shows either like how all over the place we are or or how open this thing still is but I think he should not pick himself I think he will pick himself I will

stay with you guys there I think it's going to be him and Cam Young as out of that group I just feel like there's I should say him and Cam Young and Ben Griffin I think Sam Burns is going to be the outman out real quick okay hey

do you think do you think do you think Keegan's going to pick himself Sean Martin he calling in here he's thinking for podcast people's we can't hear him tc we'll tell him that he should

pick him he said enough people he says enough people are in his corner that he will pick himself guys are in his ear which is again a horrible place to put your the people that you're getting ready to lead in captain like what do you guys think should I pick myself

one person says no yeah that'd be the dumb oh god I think he picks himself so let me do a different decision tree dege if he does pick himself i think i'm fine leaving colin off i'd take the other guys to fill in i think he should yeah i just think there's no chance that that's going to happen i agree so then you're leaving one of griffin burns or young off if you made me pick i would

leave burns cam has played good enough like he switched golf balls and has become an all-world player again it's the same golf ball that bryson plays you know what here's here's the logic test if we're if we're if we're if we're going to try to have some continuous logic here if you're picking kegan to try to get the home crowd and you're just going to all vibes and you don't pick cam young like what the fuck are we talking about me no no we only have we only have a spot for one of those guys one vibe guy yeah that's it sorry solie what if you love j t off that would be surprising tc that would be that would be surprising what if he kicked scotty off tc um yeah maybe maybe maybe they're hoping for an

maybe that's that's the case but um i don't know it i think cam would be that would be cam or griffon being left off would be that would be egregious that would be like borderline just i don't think you're trying to win if that's the case cam young's been really really really really figuring he won them fifth at fedx st jude 11th bmw t4 this week like that's when he made the golf ball change he had a tough stretch after the u.s open but he went back to back t four u.s open in the Canadian Open. Good golf course fit, too. If you want to say Colin, not playing good

and bad golf course fit, I can get there. I would be surprised if they... We don't even know what the golf course fit is yet either. Like, I've heard there's not a lot of rough. And it's going to be, you know, all the hospitality's way out. Like, it's going to be pretty neutral for the first 11 or 12 holes. And then after that, it could get a little spoiler.

Well, we shall see. Look alive on Wednesday. I think we're going to have a... Can we talk a little Europe, too? I mean... Oh, sure. I mean, flip that over. I mean, so...

I'm not worried about SEP at all. Like, I know that's where you're going to go first. I'm not worried about SEP. That's not where I was going to go, but that sounds like you're worried about him if you're going to start right there before I get the question. You finished last this week. I mean, you know, just starting at the bottom there.

I was going to say that all Rasmus Hoygard had to do was finished in the top 29, I believe, this week, to automatically qualph. I over the bet Fred British Masters and he did that. So he gets the final qualifying spot which bumps things down and makes things a little bit more interesting. I don't know if he would have gotten a pick, but the autos

on Team Europe are Rory, Bob, Tommy, Justin Rose, Teryl Hatton, and Rasmus Hoygard. The picks as it stands right now, you tell me if I'm off here, T.C. Would almost certainly be Rom, Ludwig, Vic, Shane, Fitz,

and Sep, Straca. yeah that sounds like that's that's the deal i'm i like fits a lot i'm i'm going with nikolai over fits personally i think having both both twins on the team they both make a shitload of birdies that's where i would go and then you know kind of prep for the future a little bit as well um does it mean anything to you tc and i know you hate the numbers but that he's been the third best european over the last three months fits has been does that mean anything to no i mean i'm sure it means something to dodo um you know i think i just don't know who else like shane they're not going to leave shane off um you know sep is like i think seps earned the benefit of the doubt

sep was awesome i think he's he's pretty malleable you can pair him with with with whomever um we just got too many good guys we got too many good options and it's crazy on it's crazy on the u.s. side by the way that we didn't mention mav mcneillers because i think he should be getting more of a look but yeah I mean Harry Hall I think is I think he's too much an unknown quantity for him

you can talk lads club or all that stuff all you want but you know I think steps are in the benefit of the doubt he's played well in majors he's like the last couple of years he's he has not played well this year in majors I know but

I think you know he competes week in week out against best players in the world here in the U.S. And I think that's there's something to be said for that If I were to, I think there's a case to be made for either Shane or SEP not being the greatest course fit if driving distance is going to be emphasized for Nikolai getting one of their spots. I think there's a case to be made for either one.

Shane has been the 34th best European over the last three months. Like if we're talking more, Cal was falling off, Shane's has been much worse. Yeah, you don't have to sell me on it. And he doesn't have the pedigree, like, you know, his, what is his Ryder Cup record? I don't think it's a special. His record is misleading a little bit of, you know, he's played some, he's been saddled with some partners and, you know, all that. But so, I don't know, I, listen, I would be all for it.

I'm all for new blood and, you know, refreshing that a little bit. But, you know, I think the team's pretty well set, with the exception of maybe that last spot. And I think it's probably going to be fits. Which is not going to be decided this week, by the way, for those. is it next week September 2nd I think is when they're deciding there's if I have that date right

it's before BMW went worth right I believe so they're gonna see Kegan picks himself react to that you know no one just won today

no one should absolutely be an assistant captain I think they should have a fifth assistant captain there but yeah I don't know I just I go back to Morikawa I think like that's the one that like people don't soon be talking about

and I'm like Man, if you want to talk about someone who doesn't seem to be buying into the team thing in Rome, he strikes me as one of those guys that would be guilty of that. Yeah, we shall see on Wednesday. I think we're going to do a reaction pod Wednesday night. So look out for that. Guys, TC, I was going to cut you loose here. I know you're just kind of hanging outside the media center,

but there's too much good stuff to keep chewing on. Are you going to a Tommy party tonight? I'm going to go grab over here after this. Well, you duck out whenever you got to duck out, but I wanted you give you a chance to opine on Legion 13, being the team champions in a playoff at Liv, what, Michigan, I believe. Yeah, very, very exciting stuff. Did you watch much of much of this before you headed up to Atlanta? I didn't catch any of the finals today. I guess they reverted to a stroke play today.

You know, a lot of my excitement was sapped out after Blandi. bottled it on what was that Wednesday or Thursday there missed the shorty cleaks lost they came back and beat the beat the heck out of somebody in the next round but yeah I just think generally speaking you know I saw Torque their wags had all the all the all the wag uniforms on and but you know I'm happy for Legion I am happy for Legion did you see the quote about how Torque was embracing a last dance mentality since Mito had been relegated. I didn't see that.

That was good stuff. I didn't see that. I didn't necessarily translate to a ring, but, you know, I liked the thought there. You're as well to say, I think the team championships

actually a very cool event. I've enjoyed watching parts of it in the past. I'm not watching two golf tournaments at once, man. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Tommy Fleetwood's chasing down 10 million bucks at the tour championship, which I've watched every year for the last 20 years.

and I've got some muscle memory there where I'm probably going to trend that way. So, Liv, I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with your game today. I did not watch a lot of it, but they're out there doing it. I respect that. I honestly, genuinely love the first two days of the team championship.

I think it's so easy to understand. I mean, Nicholson was tweeting about Sable offshore and then like 30 minutes later was up, like beating John Rom on the golf course. And Rahm ended up outlasting him, but, like, Phil and the High Flyers almost beat Legion 13. Like, I love the team matchplay stuff. Reverting to the stroke play, I immediately lose interest.

I did not care one single bit. But when they go head to head on the team stuff, like I'm honestly very keen to see who wins these things, which is the only thing they do that has me, that piques my interest even a little bit. Does it need to be opposite the Tour championship? Absolutely not. It's so stupid.

It represents everything from this divide that has been horrible for the game of golf. and uh but i honestly like i perk up every year that this team championship happens because there's upsets happen there's fun matchups like ron versus phil was just that was a great idea like however they orchestrated that the uh sally one one other thing i wanted to point out for me like actually today was you you set over the statistic of the second hole before the leaders got there there'd been 28 pars everybody parted it until the final group.

And then Tommy birdied it and Ketley bubbled it. Yeah, he did double it. You're right. That was absolutely incredible. I was bummed that it wasn't the 30, 30 for 30. I mean, what a setup. Gary Young, just, you know,

really, really, really separating the good shots from the great shots. What if I told you? 30 for 30. That's going to be a future. They don't change the tour championship. We got to keep that. would in the back of our mind uh well listen i mentioned live uh solid should we get our money right because i got some please i got some live stuff that i dug up here that i yeah personal i think

tommy got his money right he absolutely did get his money right and finham got his money right uh shout to our friends at sofi the ultimate finance app for sponsoring the sofi get your money right moment sophy dot com slash nl you to learn more about how you can get your money right with sofi plus dj is going to take us away this week yeah so i want to look at some live money stuff some some earnings on the golf course we're just looking at like what did you get paid for finishing wherever you finished at at the events this week live played 13 events not counting the uh team championship so take the team championship earnings out take any kind of bonuses for your team winning take any of that stuff out of there we're just using this like basically

the same as the pj tour season earnings you know so i got i got three i want to throw out and just have you guys guess how much they made this year does it include the player individual bonuses at the end of the year uh no it does not because it's just how much did you make for putting the ball in the hole and your your check at the end of the week so i want to start with tom mckibbin he had no wins he had four top tens in 13 starts where what did that get him and where would that and the flip side of this is where would that land him on the pj tour money list this year say he made six and a half million dollars eight point four million

four point three million uh that would put him number 28 on the pj tour money list uh right between lucas glover who played 22 events and sam stevens who played 27 events uh again all these live guys played 13 uh lee westwood i bet he made 0.8 million i can give you a little a little context here no wins one top 10 he had a T10 at Virginia two finishes inside the top 30 this year 1.6

TC's right what did you say Sully 1.8 1.8 Really good 1.946 million that is just a tick below tour average would put him number 75 on the PJ Tour money list just ahead of superstar Eric Cole who played 26 events and that's not that's not factoring in his captain commission as well.

Exactly. Or obviously the unspoken thing here is the upfront, the upfront money that you could divide out by all of these events. But we're just looking at, you know, we're just looking at the event money here. Here's the main event. Anthony Kim, he had no wins. He had no top tens. He had no top 20s. And he finished outside the top 56 times in 13 starts. And these are mostly 55, 56 person fields. He made a million. A million bucks. TC made a million bucks 1.09 million dollars that would put him just ahead of

yes for Svensson Garrick Higo Alejandro Tosti Justin Lauer Jackson Suber Will Zalotoris and Nick Dunlap on the PJ Tour money list God Jesus second half of this game

I got a couple of these who made more money this year and this is going to be a PJ tour player or a live player Nico Echavaria or Martin Kimer? Guessing because you're doing this, Kimer? St. Nico, because he won. Kimer had a bad season.

Martin Kimer is the answer. He made $2.45 million on live this year for T.C.'s beloved cleaks, I believe. Or is he not on the Kleeks? Is he not the Kepard? He's on the Kempik. Okay, yeah, okay. Etchavaria made $2.24 million. Very nice season for you.

He won. Uh, Jordan Spieth or Caleb Surratt? Caleb Surrott, for sure. I think Caleb Surrath had one top 10 this year. I think Spieth got him. This is a trap. Speath made $3.1 million on the golf course this year. Caleb Surratt made $3.8 million.

Oh, what? A couple more. J.J. Spahn or John Rom? rom didn't win he did not win but he won the individual title right but not the but that bonus isn't included here so i think rom rom made 11.7 million on the golf course jj spawn made 12.5 wow how about that when he starts at the point of this exercise and look again i get it bonuses the bonuses for winning all the signing bonuses like there's still plenty of money on live but like don't sleep on the dudes at the top of the PJ tour money list right now because like it's it's bananas you got to play really really well but still i've got uh

kaleb sarat is a negative like 0.5 strokes game like a below average tour pro uh this year 209th in the day to golf rankings uh and 3.8 milly this year 3.8 million dollars uh all right last one this is majestics only hendrick stenson or Ian Poulter. Polter. Say Poults. Hendricks Stenson made 1.87 and Poulter made 1.79. However, Poulter finished just ahead of Stenson in the relegation, but they were basically separated by like one shot.

Stenson got relegated because he was one shot over the course of the season. He was one shot worse than Poulter, but ended up making more money. So a true like, if he gets relegated or not, but maybe a lost the battle won the war there for uh but anyways that's your that's your that's your so if i get your money right segment for the week wow that probably we can do a live segment on that uh pretty much every time again sophy dot com slash nl you to learn more about how you can get your money right with sophy plus and you can nominate people get in the comments let us know if you want to tackle us to tackle any any money related topics uh in the future we'll definitely do that guys i'm gonna go

congratulate tommy for getting his money right tc see some pictures have a great congratulations tc we couldn't be more happy for you Thank you, Sally, you as well, man. You were on the squad. I always been on Team Tommy. Yeah, yeah. Send them my best. I'm just, I appreciate all the nice messages from people.

It's been a dream come true, truly. Are you flying home tonight, or you staying? I'm flying home tonight. I got the last of the 10, 30 or 11 p.m. flight. All right. Well, best luck in the middle seat. Godspeed, T.C. See you guys.

See you. See you. See you. Sally, just a couple more before we head out. The tour schedule was released this week, PJ Tour schedule. A lot. in the same. A big one is a sponsorless signature event at Dural, down in Miami, a very familiar place to both PJ Tour and live golf fans. That will be taking place in late April, and as I mentioned,

still sponsorless. So kind of a swing on the part of the tour. Anything to say on that front? No, we're going to break down the schedule and kind of some stuff in detail on next week's pod. but yeah that that addition again we talked about that jingo set earlier like it makes a stretch a grueling stretch of now there's nine signature events that it goes masters rbc zurich this miami event truest pga zirc being the lone non-major non-siggy in a six-week stretch next year so as always the gentleman had the opportunity and the option to not sign up to play the 20 million dollar tournaments uh which is totally totally their decision so i'd do not feel bad for them on that but you probably hear a lot of a lot of griping about that part

of the schedule as if it is a weird one they're having more big money tournaments it's a weird one because yes you're welcome to skip but it also is like a for the guys trying to get top 50 and lock that up and lock up your next year like everybody wants to hit it pretty hard early in the year and this is pretty early in the year so it's yeah an interesting uh interesting one uh pebble and rive we're going to go back to after waste management uh cj cup and schwa are going to be back to back in in texas there mexico open is moving to the fall so that comes out of the kind of regular season quote unquote uh and the rocket classic is going to be the second to last event right before the wind um uh so that that's kind of your little news and notes as far as

how the schedule shook out uh saw you want to take us through the the return of james han this this ruled like truly this was all this was awesome this is of course great work again by our guy, Adam Shupak, the Mule Whisperer. He calls up James Hahn to talk about the new schedule, and he was out, James Hahn was out practicing in Arizona, hadn't heard the news, and he said, an extra signature event

about a title sponsor at a course owned by the president. This is a joke, right? And then he was within earshot of fellow tour pro, Robert Garrigus, who's 47 years old, who had the question, what is happening to our tour? very much along the lines of what are they going to do, stab me as how I read that one.

What do you mean our tour, my guy? You made 384 career starts in your career, won this season. One, as in one in O-N-E, has not won this year, but has made one singular start on tour this year. He took a breath and then added, so does this mean one more sponsor invite for Jordan Speeth? Tell Speeth, I'll play him for any amount he wants. I win. I get his five invites to the signature events. No response from Georgia's beef yet, I don't believe.

That was sick. I was laughing the whole time. These guys were just shooting, I think just truly shooting from the hip, and I think this is what you want from some of these guys that are kind of phasing out of their careers. I truly, I read this as like a, just a huge smile on my face the whole way.

I got Garrigan's loan start this year, 7381 at the Farmers Insurance Open. he has not made he made one cut the butter cut the butterfield he may finish T-27 in the fall of 2023 that is the only cut he's made two cuts in his last 25 starts and he wants to play Jordan for any amount he wants so yeah it's on Jordan kind of schedule that at this point these guys got to you know what if you don't have that attitude

as one of these guys have been a grinder your whole career like you're not going to make it that's why they did make it and won on tour you know it's good for them Again, it could keep going with the whole article. It's definitely worth your time on golf week. You know, he was shitting on the PIP, but at the same time, not really acknowledging why the PIP was happening when it did. There is a new equity system in place for the PGA tour

that is not directly replacing the PIP, but is kind of the incentive-laden system to keep PGA tour players from leaving for live. And he also goes in on, you know, how it's bad for guys playing as singles. Andy, I told Annie Paster, the guys should be playing as singles. And I look up on TV, the guy's playing as a single. He wouldn't listen to any of my ideas.

Yeah, go ahead. I said it did make a great point. I'm like, you're still trying to figure out the FedEx Cup, which I assume he could have solved that as well. Then we went on to say that, you know, that he does think Brian Rollup is the right guy for the job. He hasn't met him yet. But he said, it's nice to get an outsider look at our business as a whole and to look at where we went wrong. I hope he has a strong enough personality to stand up to these guys who are making decisions and shouldn't be, which I can only assume he means that he should be making the decisions here. So I'm sure Rolap is going to really reprioritize things and give the mules the voice and the, you know, the place in the room that they, they so proudly deserve.

Yeah. I would encourage everybody to go read it. Great reporting by Shupak as always. And I sincerely mean this. I appreciate guys going on the record. So, James, keep letting it rip, and I'm, I'm, I'm here for it. I'm, I'm here to listen. I also appreciate it because James, things are changing as noted, and it isn't going to go the way you're hoping.

I have no one from the outside would come and look at the business and say, you know what we need to do? Those 30 guys are driving all the value. We need to give more power to the other 170 guys out on the tour. That's more to these guys. They haven't had enough over the years. We need to give them more. I don't think that's what Brian Rob's conclusion is going to be. There is an interesting push and pull, and I think we can get into this on next week's episode, but I, Porath was saying this on the podcast the other day that if you, if you really want, like, RELAP didn't say a ton during the press conference. And I thought it was a great press conference, but it is easier to have a good press conference than it is to like turn the battleship around. So worth mentioning that, as I know you guys did the other day. But there is a little bit of friction between we love how merit base this is. We love the meritocracy. We love the eat what you kill.

And also, like, we need to root for TV ratings and we need to kind of, you know, be an entertainment product and rethink how we're doing everything. I think that is, that's a space to watch. I think I don't know that those two things are necessarily harmonious, at least right now, without changing anything. But again, we can, we can get into that later, unless you had an immediate reaction. No, I guess I just don't, I don't think those two things are necessarily at odds. I think you still want the best players to work out. It depends how far down that list, I guess you go. Yeah.

You know, it's not about shutting out a really good player because they're not marketable. Like, I think the system, it could go wrong if they change the system enough to the point where you could play really good golf and not get in events and not have a fair shot at championships, which I think would be such a massive, I'd be like honest, I don't know how you would get to that. Like, they're so far away from that. I know that people have a problem with sponsor exemptions, but that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater to say that they don't have an incredible competitive structure all the way down. to PJ Tour Americas, like what it means to hold a PJ Tour card and to qualify for it

and to get these tournaments and shoot the scores that are required to make it into signature events. Like, it's an incredible qualifying system. It's what separates the PGA tour from LiveGolf, honestly. Yeah. We mentioned this at the Bedfred British Masters presented by Sir Nick. Alex Noren is your winner. Just circling back here, just to mention the NBC thing and the fact that they've basically

transitioned away from the end of this golf tournament in order to, go to Tour Championship pregame. Shout out to the Strategic Alliance. Shout out to the core fan. Just shout out to everybody on that one. It honestly feels borderline illegal that you could, I have YouTube TV to watch like cable or watch all the channels. That goes away. I'm like, okay, it's on Peacock. I'm sure like it just NBC had to move it. Like what the hell is Peacock for if not to dump things on? Like, why can't, I'd go to NBC Sports app to watch the conclusion. And I can only watch it for 30 minutes because you need a cable subscription. to still be logged into the NBC Sports app.

Like, you can't make me do a cable subscription and make me buy Peacock. The whole point is to cut the cord and use Peacock. Like, it just, we can't do that. You just cannot do that. It was so frustrating because I was really into that tournament. You know, just the belfry, Kazuma Kobori made a massive birdie on the 18th hole and was making a run out of Nikolai Hoygard. It looked like he was going to possibly do it.

It was a good tournament. I did not get to see the end. On the LPGA, we mentioned this. Brooke Henderson wins by one over Mingie Lee at the, what I'm going to call the women's Canadian Open, Canadian Women's Open. Thank you. Cody, I feel like not a great start to Brooks season.

Did this come like a little tiny bit out of nowhere? Or was this on your radar? No, pretty much came out of nowhere, but heck of a tournament. She seems to always show up when the single event that they have in Canada rolls out there. She's always there. I think this is a second or third time that she's won it,

but was absolutely battling Minji, who was on fire, shot 68. Brooke was just going round for round with her and ended up shooting final round 67 to take the victory. But awesome event. This tournament shows out. It is a tie every single year between the Canadian Women's Open and the AIG Women's Open that wins, like, their best tournament of the year. And that's voted on by players, media, you know, fans, everybody gets involved in it. So it's awesome. I love it.

You know, they do the hockey ring and everything else you see at the men's Canadian open, but it's awesome to see Brooke back in there. I know Randy's going to be mad as hell, but it's good for Brooke. I also can't imagine, like, truly the electricity of following a Canadian winner at that event. I know she's won it before, but, man, that would be an electric scene. Everybody roan in the same direction, little kids out there rooting for the hometown person. Like, it's just, that's great.

So I'm, again, there's. many, many, many, many, many golf tournaments on at once, and you can kind of only watch one thing with any sort of cogent reaction. So I'm bummed to have missed it, but it looks like it was a great day up there in Canada. A couple other things on it real quick. So for a long time, Brooke has kind of been the only Canadian golfer on the LPGA tour. We obviously have a very young amateur that's coming up, Aphrodite Dang, who balled out rounds of 66. year, right? Yep, 73, 68, 73. So there's two 73s kind of did her in, but T20 there and her LPGA debut. And you had everybody show up, Nelly to, you know, the vast majority of the

Japanese women, to include Mount Saigo finishing T3, all made the trip up north. We thought they were going to have transportation issues, obviously with the strike going on by Canadian. They're Canada, but that didn't happen. Lydia's right there, T5. Gino, another top 10, Nellie finishing the top 10, Patty T, it was awesome to see. So as they get ready to go to Boston next and then Cincinnati and then, you know, we're just kind of starting this march to the fall Asian swing when they kind of get lost for a little bit because it's all weird airtime and everything. It was, uh, it was cool.

Good. Uh, a couple of little housekeeping things just on the, on the way out. Uh, the, I would say, shout, to shout out to everyone, of course, as always, but shout out specifically to the Western Golf Association, the Evans Scholars Program. We've mentioned this quite a few times, but we have joined forces with the Evan Scholars Foundation

to work towards developing a no-laying-up scholarship at Miami University that would be given out every four years funded in perpetuity. We're kind of cooking on that fundraising goal. It's a big lofty number we're trying to get to, and there's been a lot of great support, both through the community, people who hear ad reads like this and go to donate through our events, through some matching

that we're doing through a lot of a lot of different stuff that is kind of coming together to raise money towards that big number. So if you have any interest in helping fund those donations, no laying up.com slash ESF is the link to donate directly to the Western Golf Association there. If I may say shout to the folks at AWS made a sizable contribution to that scholarship it this week. I did a little function with them up there at Eastlake and they're really helping us get the ball roll on that. So shout out to them. They're great to work with and we really really appreciate it and it gets us that much closer to our goal. So shout out to you, putting in some time for the kids. It was great. A lot of questions we get about donating in other

ways like donor advised funds and some of these things that I had no idea what they were before we started doing this and I started getting all kinds of emails about it. But if you think maybe you have a way to donate in a somewhat non-traditional way, Shoot a note to Casey. Casey at no laying up.com, C-A-S-E-Y, at no-layingup.com. She can help you out there. Over in the pro shop, we've got new Holderness and Bourne collection. That is live. Always good stuff that the merches are and Casey and T-C are cooking up with our friends at H&B. I've got a new NLU and Titleist Players 4 Golf Bag. The Players 4 Golf Bag is killer. That's what I've had for a very long time. Great carry bag. Got great stand. It's awesome. It's first time we've done a golf bag with Titleist.

People have been asking about that for a long time. So we saw a lot of notes in our yearly census about that from people. And yeah, happy that those are going on sale, as well as the NLU and Club Glove traveler bags, which are also now live. These are special order travel bags featuring the NLU logo, a little NLU flare. They come in three colors and three sizes. You can get all those details on the Club Glove collection page of the Pro Shop. last thing i think here tc is uh tc's got a mystery box going out he had to clean out his office

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You're automatically going to be entered for that one. So you might be getting a mystery box whether you want it or not. Sweepstakes ends tomorrow, August 25th, right before the clock strikes midnight. Guys, anything else before we close the book on a glorious Sunday? I believe we have a couple images that have been making their way through the television of our beautiful boy, T.C. with Tommy and the FedEx Cup trophy. Thank you to Rob. Rob sent those in via Twitter. That's great. I'm thrilled. Never got this part in my dreams for T.C. Absolutely get after it. Well, congrats to Tommy. Congrats to Finno. What do you got, Cody?

Well, I was just going to say it's we're going to be off live shows for a bit. Obviously, the next. This one will be our final week of the year for the Ryder Cup, which I'm very excited about. But Dege, you did an excellent run through. I think we're going to have some videos coming out soon too, huh? Like this week. We do have. Yes. Funny to say that we're waiting for express written consent from MLB to release one of the videos,

but that is the case. So hopefully we can get some approvals on that. But we've got a Milwaukee City tour video that we have been talking about for a long time. So as soon as we get some final sign-off. on that we'll get that one live uh and then i think maybe it's been mentioned a couple times but uh we've also got a walker cup video coming out uh it's been sitting in the archives for a good number of months years at this point but uh for those that have followed our content for a while you know that we were over there and kind of blanket covered uh the 2023 walker cup

out at the old course uh i won't give away what happened because that's kind of what the video is all about. But, yeah, that one, it's been a lot of, like, circumstances trying to figure out how to put it out or, you know, getting approvals on everything and yada, yada, yada. And kind of once we missed, like, the initial window, and it was like, well, like, this could just, like, it's weird if this just randomly comes out, like, six months after the event. Like, well, why don't we wait, just sit with it and we'll, we'll put it out before the next Walker Cup. And it's pretty cool, man. I got to say, it's like kind of a cool time capsule now. We mentioned Caleb Surratt, you know, as a member of Legion 13.

like he's a guy that's all over this video. Nick Dunlaps all over this video who's gone on to do a bunch of stuff on the PJ tour. Gordon Sargent is all over this video. Ben James, Stuart Haggastad, like there's a bunch of guys in this video that it's just, I think, a very cool time capsule of, you know, a moment in time from 2023

and what the Walker Cup looks like, which I cannot wait, Sally. We will be out there with TC in Cyprus. So anyways, look for that video as well. We'll have a trailer and release date on that coming soon as well. Plus, if people are interested in Cyprus, obviously everybody probably knows of it. But we got, you know, there's no better person that we send out to do an every shot from besides Big Randy. And I'm very, very excited.

So we got some great Walker Cup content coming out. You've mentioned that you're going to be out there for that. This week, we mentioned we're going to do a little Ryder Cups reaction podcast. Look out for that Wednesday night, Thursday morning. Solly cooked up some special content when he was with the rest of the influencers last week. that'll be coming out this week as well. I think the knowers, our first ball knowers, extravaganza of the year,

are forming up on the trap draw. So it's good. I'm excited for fall. Today was like the first day below 90 degrees in Texas, and I needed it. Huge. And shout to high noon for, again,

like you said, we got the live shows coming again this fall, but these are always really fun. It's weird. It just doesn't feel like the end of the PJ tour season. It feels like one or two more weeks. I don't know why, but this is it.

This is the official end of the season. season, which is bittersweet. It's ready for a little break, but we have a lot of fun ideas for the fall, and the podcast is most definitely going to continue. But a little more flexibility and not doing these live is a great thing as well. But appreciate everybody that tunes in live, watches live.

It's fantastic. It's a lot of fun, and we've had a lot of fun doing these for years. Guys, with that, I think that is a wrap on the PJ Tour season. Congrats to Tommy Fleetwood on his victory. Congrats to Finno. Of course, congrats to T. Through whom all things are possible.

Cody, thanks for a shitload of hard work this year. year and producing all of these shows. Ditto for Matt, behind the scenes. Solly, great being with you. And thank you to everybody for tuning in. Catch you next time. Cheers. Crack on.