No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1073: 2025 Ryder Cup Preview

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Nolingup podcast, the Nolingup live show. My name is D.J. Salie, congratulations, my man. It's Ryder Cup week. We made it. How are you? I'm okay. I am, I'm anxious. I'm nervous. I'm excited. I'm all the above. I'm not up at Bethpage just yet. I'll be jumping on a flight here tomorrow. I've been doing all I can at home, though, to prepare for this to get ready to simulate the environment. And I decided to take

on exactly what the Europeans have done. We're using the VR glasses to get ready for the environment to simulate it. So if that's all right with you guys, I'm going to do the show like this today. Yeah, I think that's great. I love that. Guy, I'm sure his Applevision Pro is sitting just off screen. Of course,

that's the biggest Randy we got. Randy, how are you, my man? I'm great. I'm great. I'm looking forward. I am looking forward to the Ryder Cup. It's finally here. We've talked about it so much. We're going to get into what has this most excited. But yeah, I listen, I don't know who I'm going to root for yet. I blew TC's mind with that right before we started. I thought you were like a ride or die. You were on the squad in perpetuity. I thought so too, T.C. I listen. Yeah, that likable U.S.

Scott is really, really good. Of course the fourth voice you hear is that of turncoat, Tron. He never needs it. Lifelong European fan who has faulted, he splashed into the pool before he was introed. Tron, how are you, my man? I'm great. I'm great.

I'm just, I'm still buzzing from, I thought it was a little bit early to put out that video that, uh, the European team put out honoring all of the great men who have won on, on foreign soil before. I'm not taking honor those guys anymore. We can't pull over any.

We've already honored them so much. I don't know if we can keep honoring these guys. But just generally speaking, juxtaposing that with everything that the fever pitch that the U.S. side has been on social media. I think I've taken the right approach this year to the Ryder Cup where I'm like, I'm not getting like just pulled over by that stuff here, the first Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. and then I'm actually, by the time Friday rolls around, I'm not going to be wiped out. I'm going to be excited on the upswing. I'm with you.

That's exactly how I feel. I kind of had that first tinge this morning of like, you know what the Ryder Cup is? I'm going to watch the Ryder Cup. I can't wait for that. I'm really glad that's going on this week. So all, of course, is heading up to Beth Page Black. What, Wednesday?

I'm heading up on Wednesday, yes. Can I just say, Neil rocked this one earlier privately, but I'm going to steal it right now. He referred to the European video strategy as the Mumford and Son's release plan that got me really good. I swear I'd seen that video that came out. I think I've already seen that one. I think that's the exact same.

They might be just be using AI to regenerate this at this point. And listen, I'm here for like 51 weeks a year to do the glazing to like appreciate all the things that they do. And when Ryder Cup week rolls around, I was like, man, fuck these guys. All right. Come on. Come on. These guys need humbled a little bit.

They need beaten. Like it just, it's got to happen. But we got to make sure these guys go home with an L. I'm sorry. Randy, question for you. Please. You're wearing a salmon colored hoodie, which is, I was assuming that you were wearing that to honor one of the previous one was the 87 team.

I think 87 or 88. I forget what they said on the, you know, they were honoring. They're always honoring something, which I kind of, I do dig. They have like a whole run of show of who they're honoring at all times. It's killer. Can't honor any harder than we are. Yeah, we just can't honor. Like these, they're super H.

Yeah, we're saturated with, with just honor here. It's, it's crazy. Sorry, Randy. Well, my, would you like to respond about your salmon sweatshirt? I will, I will definitively say, I am not also honoring anybody with this clothing choice. This was, this was top of my clean clothes pile in my closet. A great, a great transition to say that shout to our friends at Roeback, Act, where you know how much we love Roebuck, Chris Polo's, subtle dog logo, most comfortable

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If anybody's been living under a rock, somehow missed the 558 times we've mentioned at the Ryder Cup. You're just, maybe you're, you know, maybe you're pacing yourself as well, T.C. You know, maybe you're not trying to to dive in quite yet. Let's just go through a little bit of information here. Team USA, the automatic qualifiers. Of course, Scotty Sheffler, Zander Shoffley, Russell Henley, J.J. Spawn, Harris English, kind of forgot he was on the team, and Bryson DeShambo, which makes your captain's picks Justin Thomas, Colin Morikawa, Ben Griffin. What was it, T.C.? Benny Bombs. Benjamin Bombs. No, Benny Boom. Sorry. Benjamin Booms. Cameron Young, Patrick Cantlay, and Sam Burns, of

course captain by Solly's boy, Keegan Bradley. Over on Team Europe, your auto qualifiers, Rory McElroy, probably no surprise there. Tommy Fleetwood, Robert McIntyre, Justin Rose, Tyrell Hatten, Rasmus, Hoygard. Your captain's picks,

Victor Hovelin, Sepstraka, writer cup Locke, Ludwig Oberg, Shane Lowry, Matt Fitzpatrick, interested to talk about him as we get into it, and John Ram. Captain by Luke Donald again for the second time. The format, of course, we're going to start with foursums. Randy, that's the other name for alternate shot. Forcums on Friday morning, so both Friday and Saturday will be

foursms in the morning, four balls in the afternoon. That kicks off at 7.10 a.m. Eastern time, 6.10 here in the great state of Wisconsin. Randy, set your alarm for 510 out there in Denver on Friday morning, 12 singles matches, of course, on Sunday. Europe needs 14 to retain and the U.S. needs 14 and a half to win outright. So our current odds, of course, via the Fandualsports book, USA is minus 155. Europe is plus 170. A lot of home game models, I believe, reflected in those odds. The tie, I think, was plus a thousand, I believe. And it would be retained in the USA. That would be retained in the USA. That's right. So, I, first question, I just, how are you feeling about those odds?

That is trending towards the U.S. side, which of course makes me nervous. The U.S. is getting bigger. Minus 145 yesterday. It is getting a bit bigger. But, I mean, you know what I'm going to do? The hype videos are moving a lot. I'm going to crunch the numbers. You know, I guess, yeah, there was offsetting hype videos that I guess, you know, tilted in their favor. Maybe the U.S. is up one-nothing.

They're considering them up one-nothing with the... Maybe some of the U.S. team is thrown some of their stipend and their charitable contributions towards... we can talk about some of that laying it on themselves can i throw some numbers at jadege uh people might sit in there be wondering like oh why why start with foursums the u.s is terrible at foursums of course the u.s is not terrible at foursms at home okay and in the last two rider cups the u.s has scored 11 and a half out of 16 points in foursums to europe's four and a half in the last three they have scored 16 and a half to europe seven and a half and in the last four it is 21 to 11 it has been the home team dominates foursums in this event they are they are worse on the road than they are good at home

but especially in the last two rider cups they've been excellent excellent excellent in that format they are hoping to repeat does anyone want to posit a theory on why that is i mean i i i guess that's Shane Ryan did a video on this for on for golf digest that i just watched and i there was not really a definitive answer into that other than like that seems to be where the home field advantage bucks it's an uncomfortable format for people in an uncomfortable environment environment. And I guess that uncomfortable nature is where it's also where the home team can exacerbate advantages in setting up the golf course is where I don't know if the data would support like that big of a gap, but there is some sort of an advantage that comes with being able

to manipulate who you send off the odds, who you send off the evens. You know, Edwardo Molanari talked about in 2023 about making the golf course set up for approach shots to be hit within a specific distance, right? And that is a luxury that you're given a little bit on the home side, maybe a bit too much. But that's my best, my best approximation. But I would guess over time,

over the next decade, I don't think that gap's going to be quite as big. I think it's a little bit of an outlier to say that it's been, that the home teams have dominated that much. In the pressers yesterday, they were saying how it's definitely more out of the hands of the captain's week of now, right? like they're moving more towards a more neutral setup or just more how does that work even solidly

with like carrie haig versus the the dp world tour is that all in the pga of america to set it up or is there like a set up committee it is a set up committee it is allegedly a neutral committee that sets it up right it is not i mean there was if you go back to like 2008 paul ezinger and they were like they were cutting down tree limbs and practice rounds because it was like in j b homes in JP Holmes's way and like Hazel, you know, there's still, I think in general, like the idea of, of like, are we growing the rough up or are we shaving it down in advance is up to the captains? But as we've seen, I don't know, there are a lot of issues with pins and lack of rough at Hazeltine, right? Like the U.S. kind of dominated that setup in particular because of the

profile of that team. As time has gone on, and that's been nine years since that, the U.S. team and the European team makeup of the team is a lot more similar than it is different these days. So it's not as simple as like U.S. is bombers. Let's cut the rough down. Let's play it all the way back and let's make this a bomb and gouge contest because, I mean, there's Jay J.J. Spong. There's Colin Morikawa. There's Russell Henley and go over on the European side. You have Rory McElroy, you have Ludwig, you have, it's just a lot closer. The U.S. will have an advantage off the T, but it is a slight advantage. It's something like, I forget what the actual number is right now they're they're saying point one two strokes uh better per round off the teeth that

doesn't sound like a lot but you add that up over 28 matches and it it does make up several shots that the u.s on paper will have as an advantage okay so the the setup committee sounds like the congressional budget office supposed to be a kind of a nonpartisan thing yeah i don't think the executive orders get get pushed through quite as fast uh you know these days but um i feel like one of the things that always i don't know i need to crunch this numbers on this. And also, I feel like Scottie's numbers are probably just almost an outlier in USA. We should rerun all of the US numbers without Scotty. Because that's where you're saying, like, you're talking about the driving advantage. I'm like, well, he's, he gains so many strokes off

the T. It's literally like the best driver in the world probably when you add up like strokes gained like what is so much their advantage is rolled up into one guy that. Well, and that's where I was actually is a big advantage. I was kind of going to say that, like, I feel like Europe, I don't know if it's totally a distance advantage, but it feels at least like neutral. And what always makes me laugh is when it's like, oh, you go back to Hazeltine. And it's like, well, they're just going to cut down all the rough because the, because the US is just bombers, you know. And now it's like, well, the, you know, Europe, like, they really bomb it too.

So like, I think we're just going to cut down the rough because then like, you know, if you grew it up, like it would give a, I don't know, it's almost feels like competing logic, answering the same question in two different ways. I don't know if that made any sense, but it feels like you're saying the same thing to answer two opposite questions. And it's always in the U.S., like, yeah, we're just going to cut down the rough.

It's like, well, I think the teams have changed a lot. So shouldn't the core setup change, but maybe not? Shouldn't the course setup just be set up for like good match play, a bunch of parties and shit? Yeah. That would be the best for the cut. That's the thing. The home field advantages has gotten out of control over the last five years. That's why I'm wondering, are we going to get a close rider cup this go around?

Like I hope we do. I've been to end. everyone since Hazeltine and none of them have even sniffed being close come Sunday. You know, it, it's not all set up, I don't think, but there's got to be, that's got to be a factor. I don't know the exact story of like when things started to evolve, but I do know the, the, the, it's not as extreme as it maybe was nine years ago. Well, I want to get into some more core stuff later, but before we do, Randy, I'm going to start with you here. I got a couple of discussion questions that I wanted to launch to the group. the first one here what question are you most looking forward to seeing answered this week at the rider

cup uh this is a great question i actually thought about this a lot and i went a lot of different directions but here's where i landed and i'm being sincere when i say this is anybody going to get arrested players caddies captains like how crazy is this atmosphere do you america official be because we've heard for years now oh my god that writer cup at beth page black just well oh my god and listen the temperature like a purge out there ready the the temperature in this event has been creeping up and up uh of course you had what kessler punching a fan i was going to say that was president's cup that was president's cup that was in melbourne yeah melbourne okay i think we're headed there could be some type of capital s situation this week and so

I guess my question that I can't wait to see answered is like come Sunday night when everything's done and dusted are we going to be having a conversation around whoa we got to get this thing like back under control like how did how did all of this kind of break contain Randy I'm going to go the other way there because I think all we've heard about is, oh, Beth, Page, New York, this and that. I think the tickets were so expensive, and so much of this is just tied up in hospitality. And the grandstands, they look big and garish. And, like, I think this event's probably gotten too big for being honest.

But it just seems like some of that hooliganism or the really, really rough and tumble New York, Long Island side. I don't know how many of those people are actually going to be there. Yeah. Am I off there? It's a fair point. I don't know the answer to that. Ticket prices are dropping as it gets closer.

I don't know if, and I hate to like make it that much of a correlation of just like the cheaper the ticket, the more rowdy the crowd is going to be. But like it profiles out in some way. Like a lot of the early ticket sales were gobbled up by, you know, hospitality, you know, it's a big corporate retreat as of the way it was set up intentionally or not. there's an element to what you're talking about there.

And I don't know. I don't know if that bridges into the pay for play discussion as well. Because I think there are, you know, that's, that's going to, the European press has made it quite clear they're going to be digging into this one with every single press conference question that they possibly get the opportunity to ask. And the U.S. keeps giving them all sorts of ammo. Can we do, let's do that now here. Sure.

So for the first time, right? Players will, will be paid. So since, since 9. players have gotten a $200,000 grant to a charity of their choice. This is the first year. That charitable amount is now up to 300K plus a 200K stipend that they're free to do whatever they want with. Cover expenses. I mean, flying your whole team out there.

Nobody's going to. It could be a lot of things. Now, do I think that they have, the U.S. has just on a silver platter given the European team a narrative to run with all of the media. Like, is this a silly endeavor? 100%. Avoidable, yes. All of, I agree with all of those things.

At the same time, I think there's something to be said for the general spirit of all of these other people, a lot of people involved here, like, with how big of a corporate retreat this thing has turned into, like, just some, not sitting great with players that, like, they're some of the only ones not getting paid for it, right? I don't know the distribution of, has everybody given away their 200 K-Ks-stike? and is everybody donating? I don't know. Is it appear greedy from the outset?

Yes. I think it's just the general, like, thought is like, hey, here's some recognition that it's pennies on what the PGA of America and the European tour make, D.P. World Tour make on this event. But it's not a PGA tour event. It's not the organization that these guys, like, play for week in and week out. PGA tour does get a cut of the revenues, though. PGA tour does get a cut of the revenues, and that is get distributed through player purses

and goes into the coffers of the PGA tour. as well and it's not an insignificant part of the revenue as well to your point tc but it's not they're not representing their tour like the europeans are of the dp world tour so that's the spirit behind it is it avoidable 100% it's not the conversation is not going away is it an unnecessary distraction yes uh and i i'm it's not fun but it is it's not going anywhere clearly that said well like i think randy's going to have like the best takes well randy was saying on slack they should get paid more i thought was your was that your take randy or am i misremembering that sorry go ahead tc well i was going to say that said i have no problem with them getting money for

charity them getting stipend whatever that's that's fine i just laugh really hard at the inability to like foresee these questions and then for kegan to treat it like it's a stupid you were going to ask me that of like he like he just clamped up and got so uncomfortable and and he's like you know what like guys are guys are donating to charity and it's a really private matter which charity they're like half of them are probably donating to their charitable foundation which some of those charitable foundations we have no idea

what that charity does right like there's go to the developers of that Xander app maybe yeah but yeah like I guess there was an SUV that nobody can figure out like where that went was Xander now Zander doesn't run a car I guess too like friends from Avis all the time but this five spider web

but all of that said like it's just it's so funny because it's like watching a car crash in slow motion of of you know he just can't say oh yeah like you know like sam burns really into the first tea gave a bunch gave his his money the first tea or hey you know what russell henley's a wounded warrior guy or he he he hosts an a jGA event like wouldn't you want to like put forth what you're supporting that that seems like a big part of donating charity but i guess everybody approaches a different a lot of people like to give anonymously i think there's a whole i'm totally Herbure Enthusiasm episode about that, but you're not giving it like, it's on the record that you're giving 300K to charity or you're directing 300K from the PGA of America to what, to the charity of your choice.

Wouldn't you want to like stand for something and be like, hey, here's the charity of my choice. These guys are doing a fucking awesome stuff. If you're a big fan of mine, consider supporting this charity, you know, yeah, I agree. Randy, what do you got? Well, I was going to flip it back to TC. What do you make of Luke Donald? the Europeans not getting paid because I will say and not giving to charity may I mind and not giving to charity are they the bad guys uh because in like in other sports you know like

guys get extra checks for playoffs and and you know super bowl like so yeah i guess i'm not as rubbed the wrong way for not paying guys uh and i'm almost curious like if team europe's like wow what the hell i think they're using it as a kind of a little bit of a cudgel of like totally you know we're going to stake out the the higher ground i don't blame them for that either i think beyond that as well they do have more of a of a wherewithal where this this event subsidizes their entire tour right um with the dp world tour that like isn't flush with cash so i do think that they you know a lot a lot i think they have a lot more allegiance and loyalty to the dp world tour and all of that stuff.

And I think that, that, you know, paying it forward and floating that, yeah, great, great comment there. You know, I was not supporting the Jupiter community is, is good. But, like, I don't know. I think Randy on that point, too, there's, like, it just seems like the U.S. is just, they've just, like, this has been an issue for so long. And they've just, they've figured out how to make it even worse, right? But also point out, there's some.

generational bag getters on the European side. There's what four captains, four future captains that all got the live money instead of like doing the whole, this just means more Ryder Cup thing. I would pay to play in this thing. Like what their active captain left and left and went to live to get money on the side.

So like again, we don't have to paint this entire side as just heroically not taking the cash. And I was going to say they all love the DP World Tour except when they actually have to play on it. week to week? All I'm saying is it should make one of those

Instagram videos about all the captains that left. It just seems like they're fighting over dollars. There's only been four captains that were removed their name. What if they gave money to everybody that they're honoring?

Ollie, what if they said, hey, you know what? We're going to give a bunch of money to the 87 team because these great men, you know,

and the next day we're going to give them money. No, they're not. But how does it work too with caddies? How do caddies get paid? Do they get, do they get a stock? stipend or they get paid by the player they get paid by pGA america or the dp world tour whoever that's i mean i don't

think i'd give the full 200k to charity i'd probably say hey you know what like caddy wise here's 50k you know what i mean like thanks for helping me get here thanks for all the bullshit that you're going to have to deal with this week as far as especially if you're a you know i don't know that's just or if you're can't lay you get to if your team is showing up to uh to jo the show and like you go create this stuff like you go do it again involve yourself it seems like you guys are coming around on joe the show he was probably rewatched it he was he said it back through the other night

it's like man when you watch that that crane angle or whatever like the high the high angle the old 22 it's like dude that is pretty indefensible he looks like he's in there trying to take a charge you know he is in there man it's a bad bad look

another revisionist thing that's already starting to happen this week is this whole like yeah None of our fans shout anything at the Americans, you know, when they're over. And we're getting all this. The 10,000 people were waving their hats at Can't lay based on at minimum, an incomplete report on the, on the hat thing. So like, let's just, again, let's just agree it happens on both sides. Is there going to be, is it going to be a little turned out this week?

100%. But like, let's just not pretend. All I'm saying on the, on the pay stuff is, I do think the PGA of America is different. from the DP World Tour, that at least has a connection to these guys and all of that. The PGA of America is, is like, they're so tertiary at all of this in the golf world, and yet they run two of the five biggest events in the game, and they're floating their entire organization that by their own members accounts, like, is doing a horrible job actually growing and promoting the growth of the game. I don't know I just that's where I struggle that that's where I'm like you know what can't lay Xander you guys like take it to the PGA of America I think the argument against that though is just the fact that so many it's like like 20% or something I hope I have that right of the revenues go to the PGA tour like they pay a fee essentially a lease fee to the PJA tour now it doesn't go to those 12 players it goes to the entire tour shout out Lanto Griffin but like that so that's the other side of it is of the players that I don't agree with

with is like hey you're kind of doing this on behalf of your tour and it's not really about you whether or not you played in this like there would probably be a very similar amount of fans in the in the crowd like if we're being honest a lot of this money should go to the estate of the great man sevi like truly if we're looking for like the core of what drove a lot of this now we're talking now we can bring people they should uh saw when you get there on uh on uh Friday morning you should pass the hat in the uh in the grace it's raising money for for the great man sevi kick in what you can uh all right getting back to getting back to the question like that idea randy uh getting back to the question i was fishing in a very similar pond to you guys my question

that that stuck out to me it was just are we on the edge uh and i i mean that big picture on the rider cup is the is the hype going to meet or is the reality going to meet the hype you know this is one of those that uh i don't know it could be another home blowout and it could be everybody kind of standing around with a bunch of merch and, you know, the, the result is not really in question passed about, you know, one o'clock on Sunday. But I don't know. It's set up, it's set up to be, you know, could it easily be the best one ever as well. Teams are, the teams are evenly matched. The venue, I think, is going to be really great. I think the crowds are going to be great. So I could see it go either way. But we kind of covered that already. So I want to pivot the conversation

and say the answer to my question I'm looking for is just what is what are what is bryson going to do and what are they going to do with bryson and i think you guys take that any direction that you want if you have any anything top of mind but is he going to play foursums what is he going to do on the first t just all of it's all you're nodding your head what you should go first first one out pair with cameron young ship it towards the green on one get the crowd like come on if one thing kegan knows it's how to play to the crowd like he's he's gonna a fair amount of his decisions in the right way like i think you're gonna i think you go you absolutely play bryson and force him's like you're gonna you can exacerbate his distance

advantage like the the the data is going to tell you that the longer players should go off the first t i think we're going to get rory fleetwood and bryson cam young for the first match i think off the jump uh and just absolutely just ship it and go for it do you think the europeans would send out Rory first and I don't know I just I feel like this sustaining that level of energy of you want to uh I think Rory you're gonna get that bump uh oh I I know Rory's gonna want to Rory had that whole thing about like you know normally I go out third in singles last time and hey we knew that they were going to send out Kantley because Zach Johnson's a fucking idiot um like we knew exactly where they were going to send everybody out because like that's truly how

how simplistic he is. I don't know. I think Rory is just like, like absolutely I think you sent out Bryson first and have him drive the first green. Which is going to be hard at 7-0 whatever it's going to be. That's a tough time to do that, but I still think you don't have to drive the green,

just ship it over the corner and everyone's going to go nuts and he's going to happy Gilmore off the first T-box and ride the bull. And you're off and running. Like that's, they got to get off the bus quick. and they need the energy quick. I really loved Sallie in the captain's pod that you did and some of the other past conversations we had about Rome.

The idea that Luke Donald kept saying about the three whole matches and just just get off to a big start. Because like that, we were both there. I mean, it was, it sounds ridiculous to say it was over after the first hole, but it legitimately felt like it was. Right. Like Victor Halvind chipping it was just like, oh my God, that we've lost it.

Like this whole place is already at a 15, out of 10 and there's more matches coming and these guys clearly don't I don't do they know the golf course are they tired like this is going to be whoa and I just I think you have to try to recreate at least some of that in in the US side you know and lean into all the things that that that are at your advantage but uh saw what was your what was your question you want to answer this might seem a little backwards but uh or you know that we maybe already had the answer to this but the question I want to answered is how bad we know it was bad but truly how much much of a disaster, what level was the disaster of the Zach Johnson captaincy, right? Because I think

I think we can get in it. If the U.S. bounces back, like we can also look back at the ZJ thing with a totally different viewpoint. Like, I was really optimistic about the trend and the direction of Team USA. And is it not nearly as, should I not have been as optimistic about it, or was ZJ truly that disastrous is where I'm at in this? Like, his team showed up competitively rust and, like, confused on jet lag and a bunch of stuff that was the most avoidable thing ever on top of just horribly mismanaging everything. Scotty Schaffer loses 9 and 7,

changing up all the pair. I mean, it was a disaster, but how big was it? Right? And, you know, or is it just the team way overrated and they're going to lose this one as well and they're going to go back to a task force. But we're going to have more answers on how bad the ZJ Cap and see is. I have a win-win.

What do you feel like I'm in a great spot, T.C. No matter what happens. No, it's kind of a win-win for me. where like either either the U.S. team loses in, you know, and like Europe wins and that's great or the U.S. wins and Zach looks far worse than he ever did previously. That's great too. I was going to say, what's providing you the answers on the Zach front? Because I think the U.S. at home is like, that seems like pretty cruisy over the last decade, right?

So is it, is that much more on like Luke Donald coming in and winning on? the road one of the most experienced european teams of all time and like yeah running back the same playbook and all that it's like it just seems like a stronger european team that's come on than anything that's come on the road in the last decade so is is the word and here's this plays into one of my questions is like what if we get another u.s. blowout on home soil i i feel like where does this competition go like we i'm glad to hear it's more of a neutral course committee for set up purposes

but like I feel like this event is itching for we need some like tight rider cups like everybody keeps throwing this out but I mean Medina Medina that was it I know we haven't been with them years ago Rome was probably tighter than you guys are giving it credit for

it was tight after the first morning session like it was and like the Friday afternoon those three puts they made on 18 flipped it as well like it could have been really close yeah but the um i mean randy to that point i think it's really interesting to think about like this is probably the i'm not a huge beth page guy personally but this is probably the best course that that this event's been on in a long time yeah yeah right as far as just and how much does that contribute to um the enjoyment of watching it or to just the quality of the competition as well

of you know having like a not a lot going on with these greens i think that's probably the biggest slight or complaint and also on the flip side with beth page too is is it to spread out like is it is it you know is some of that energy going to be um you know just concentrated in like one or two or three different spots like i know that you know first 18th hole kind of complex is is going to be huge there and then there's a couple other spots around the course but a it's it's really hard to get all the way out there to where a lot of that build out is and then be like is you know are those kind of those those interlude holes going to be more of a just a slow simmer and like it's kind of going to be almost like a bipolar

kind of environment. Opportunity to spread out is a good thing for this event though. You know, there's not a lot of, especially those first two days, like there's not a lot of golf, you know, and if you're a fan that really wants to see the golf,

maybe get out to some of those harder to reach spots and you're going to be able to see all four groups come through. That's been trying to follow a match. I just think about it on the flip side of like, you know, I think back to like Inverness for Solheim Cup. or, you know, I wasn't there at Whistling or I was there at Whistling Straits, but like it was really hard to get from like one into the golf course to the other.

And it almost exacerbated how hard it was to watch golf to where you just had to camp out at the same spot, you know, all day, whereas. Which they do a good job with the TVs and the Jumbotrons and like making it so that if you do camp out, you don't feel like you're missing out on a million things because you can kind of still watch the coverage. But yeah. And also I thought it was very silly to just have the Ryder Cup at an event with a lake on one side of it and like you're you can only kind of attack it from one side you know you can't really

surround it like you just lost so many viewing opportunities long all those lake holes and again justice for aaron hills would have been would have been such a better fit would have been great um i want to give a shout to our friends at bmw worldwide partner of course of the 2025 rider cup uh they're providing courtesy vehicles for team usa team europe the rider cup officials and team no laying up neal and i are going to be cruising around uh out there that's a massive massive massive benefit to both the live shows and just y'all's psyche in general as far as like being able to get back and forth from the golf course in one piece well and just a massive shout to them in general they do such a great job supporting our rider cup content with such a tiny footprint on all of it like any chance i get to shout out all they do around the rider cup and just uh supporting us as well um they they they strongly strongly believe that the content comes first and we just greatly appreciate that they're one of the best but we've worked with them for almost a decade now and uh it centers around the Rider Cup.

So really appreciate all they've put into it and all they're all they're putting into this one. If you're near the Rider Cup live at the Rockefeller Center, if you're in the New York City area, you can check out custom cars designed by Keegan and Luke Donald as well. They got all kinds of great stuff going on this week. So shout out to BMW. Randy, I think this next question is kind of more for you and I. We know where Sali stands. We know where T.C. stands.

You mentioned it off the front. What are your rooting interests in this championship? No, now I'm pinning you down. No, I don't know. I want you to go first. Randy, your Scotty fandom has polluted you. Listen, T.C., here's the exercise I did. You just line up both rosters and I go, you know, one if I like a guy, zero if I don't, and I'll give a half point.

Like, I honestly think I net out more points on the U.S. side. Huh? Yeah. What's the composite score, like four and a half? Yeah, it's like four and a half to three. and a half. Only three and a half guys you like on the European side. Yeah.

Like that I actually root for. There are guys that like don't now. Would you be willing to name names? Yeah. Well, let's go through it. I feel like there should be a minus one as well. If you really, really dislike a guy. So scale.

All right. We'll just go through them here. This is a team Europe. We're talking about Cody. are we including the captain or not I kind of think you got to include the captain sure I think the captain plays a part I mean Luke's got to be a one

but don't put words in his mouth feelings towards McDonald's no he's he's a zero okay well zero not a point five we'll start in the top corner here Ludwig let the man speak Ludwig's a one for me I like Ludwig personal interactions I found him to be nice

fits is a point five and that that's largely because my guy i know he likes an ice cream down by salty dog at uh at in hill ned so i do like that arbor town uh head covers do a lot of heavy lifting there yeah uh tom fleetwood listen i know this is unpopular but i you it's a zero i don't don't do anything for me are you serious he just doesn't do anything for me it's a very non offensive zero so you're going to have like god I'd love that you put your name on this. Fleetwood and Colin Waricala on the same, or Fleetwood and Can't Lay on the same.

No, Collins is guy. Yeah, we had to say, Colin might be a half-point getter for me. All right, Tyrell Hatton. Zero. Rasmus. Zero. Vic. A half.

I can't quite get all the way there with Vic. I love who he is as a person. I just, I don't know. Doesn't do it all the way for me playing golf. Shane Lowry. Zero. Big shot Bob McIntyre Zero

Rory Zero Interesting John Rom Zero Joe Joseph Rose Now Rose is one who has flipped

I like Rose I give him a point I like Rosie Full point Full point for Rosie And Seppstraka Rider Cup blocks No then zero

So I think what's that I think we're at three Three total Yeah Wow I mean, this is do the U.S. side. Yeah, we got to do the U.S. side. I'm sorry, Randy.

This is, this is good stuff. Sam Burns. Zero. Can't lay. Zero. Bryson. A half. A half.

Just sheer entertainment value. I like watching them. You never know what you're going to get. H.E. H.E. If he's flushing, he's a half. Okay. So that's one.

Benny Booms. Benny Booms, I do like. He's grown on me. I'm giving him a half. Okay. So these guys are still only half points. uh russ headley consummate russ is uh russ is right on the line i'm going to give him a zero but he's close to be in a half for me jesus uh your boy your absolute boy called morcala yeah

this is a half can't quit him i'd like what are we at here one two three four halves so we're at two points uh zander pervara of the x app yeah zero uh j jay spawn this one's hard i like JJ's story. He's a zero though ultimately. Your favorite player on Earth, Scotty Sheffler. Yeah, he's a one like Scottie. J.T. I'm sorry, zero. Cam Young. I like Cam Young.

He's a half and I think that's what does that's the difference. Good question. For Ben Joss, I'm convinced this is how the Bengals draft. And of course the captain, Keegan Bradley. No, zero for Keegan.

Wow. Is that tied? no no i think it's three and a half to three it was close so listen i think it's team usa this year for me tc and that's that's that's purely on the number i can't believe he's giving tommy a zero that's like the most likable guy on any tour worldwide you see you do have to wonder how much you played a role in that true look it look inward tc i think he didn't eat i don't think he's owned enough for like the titanic uh just choke jobs that he gave us I, you know, we don't have to belaborate, but I feel like Career Grand Slam winner, Rory McRoy, not getting a half point. That's tough.

No, no, no, this is, this is me. Of course. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that's, that's good stuff. We kind of lucked into one there that, Randy. That's fascinating. I think on my side, to balance the scales from your, your jingoistic rooting for the USA, T.C., I'm going to be joining you on Team Europe.

I think I will echo my guy. Rory in saying, I don't know if there's a more impressive thing in sports than winning in a way, Ryder Cup. And I think I'm rooting for the idea of that happening and being able to watch it very closely and enjoy it this weekend more than I am necessarily the individual personalities. But Randy, if I'm going through, I mean, Ludwig's a one, Tommy's a one, Hatton's probably a half because he's awesome. Victor Hovlin, or he's awesome to watch, I should say, especially in this event.

Victor Hovlin's a one. Shane Lowry, I think is a one. especially in this event. Rory, I think is a one. You don't know. You don't mean that. Ron Rahm is a one.

Justin Rose is a one. Seth Strachka, I'm invested. I fucking love Luke Donald. So I'm kind of, I'm buying the idea that like, I feel like I went very hard on the captain matters, the infrastructure matters,

the strategy matters. And I really want that to be validated by pulling off a victory on the road. That's how I feel. Thank you. I think, too, there's, it's not dissimilar to, even if people didn't like Rory going into the Masters

or people were tired by him or whatever. I was exhausted by Rory by the time we got to the Masters. Him winning was objectively freaking cool. And I think it'll be a similar thing if people can be objective about it or almost remove themselves from their patriotism or whatever. The thought of Rory winning a Ryder Cup on foreign soil in New York at Bethpage.

at this stage of his career after the year that he's had and kind of it just feels like such a fitting coda to where like everything else he ever accomplishes in his career is almost he's almost icing on the cake at this point and that that feels like the emotional pinnacle of his career and not to say that he can't and shouldn't win more majors he would be selling himself short if he just nailed it in but if you listen to a lot of his press conferences and stuff, he talks about this season of his life and wanting to make the most of it. And I feel like if he does that,

I feel like he can absolutely check that box with no regrets and say, hey, like I accomplished pretty much every single one of my goals and, you know, and confidently move in whatever direction he wants to next, whether that's next year or in five years. I co-sign all that. Just of note,

he has one one on USO, obviously with Medina, Just for the listener's sake. I think just to do the full circle thing as the. Not just for the listeners' sake, that would not be his and Rose were the two guys that were on that, that 2012 team that have done it before, that I'm sure will be making that point in the team room this week

of like how possible it all is. And to do it in Masters, Hebel, players, Irish Open, you know, on the heels of like one of the most heartbreaking years he's ever had last year, too, or the most heartbreaking year. Like it just feels it feels like

it truly puts him into a new phase of his career or totally closes up because he called his shot in Rome too. You cannot underscore like the video that is going to be going around is him pounding on the dais after winning in Rome

and saying we're going to fucking do it again next year. You know, like that's that rules and I've got him here to watch that. Either he or Keegan is getting clipped up in the wrong way. though. We're going to go kick their ass or we're going to go beat him at Beth Page. There's going to be

either one of those two guys getting clipped up this week. And now I think the flip side on Rory, where I, and maybe this isn't, the flip side is not the right way to say it. What I think is another factor is I think my guy is going to be gripping the bat tight this week. And I think that my play,

I think he's comfortable being that person and doing that and he's done this enough times that I think it's going to help and I think he's going to play really good. But I also think that he's going to, you you know, watching a lot of baseball. I think he's going to look like one of those managers who's like trying to get thrown out of the game, you know, I think he is going to be top step of the dugout, ready to call

balls and straight. He's been doing that for the last six months. I think this is going to be the fever pitch of that. I would not cross Rory this week. Weirdly, has he been almost preparing himself? Like, he's been insufferable for the last five months. And has he almost just been getting into character? of like, I want everybody to hate me in my life,

essentially, just so that, just so that I can prep for this moment. It's, it's weird, right? It's, because, like, he lost the locker room with me to a large extent. But I just think as, as an exhibition of sports and sports, you know, being a sportsman, like it just feels like such a love him or hate him. It feels like such a powerful singular moment this is going to be. He brings so much to this event, man. he is a showman like he they got their doors blown off at hazeltine but he was like a entertainer like from the from the very jump he was just he bowed to the crowd you're welcome for the show levitated on the eighth green he helped that he played really good golf but just like he brought so much energy to that and like even after the us one he was out there like like reminding the u.s like you can celebrate guys i know you haven't done this in a while like he was uh in good spirits and just like a very very clear like excellent leader for particularly

team Europe and easy person to rally behind when your own like best player is going to act like that it's so much easier to go and act like that whereas on the u.s side you know who is that leader sometimes you know whoever that is acts probably too cool for school way more than they do uh like act somewhat silly in an endearing way like brorie does yeah uh shifting gears a little bit i want to know if we're if we're looking at you know these rider cup weeks are long weeks and it's only tuesday and we're barely even into it yet we're barely even into it yet we're barely even scratching the surface, but I just want to know, what's your guys' favorite story from the lead-up? Sahlia, you kind of mentioned mine earlier. It's the VR headsets. We're going to be

like, we're going to be program. You could program, I think Rory's quote was you could program it to say whatever you want and just spiraling in my head about like, what are, what are they saying? What do they think the U.S. is going to say? Is this, are we revealing like some deep-seated insecurities here? I just, I love everything about that. I think the Senate to Lane or a program this professional I think just the intersection of

we're preparing to invade a continent and this is just a stupid golf tournament like where those two things meet I think is where the sweet spot is for me but

Sally what do you got can we all agree if the US was using VR headsets to simulate crowds it would be a field day like sometimes we got to call Europe

on some of this stuff okay Europe does get a pass on some of that. These are my boys you're talking about here. Everything. I absolutely love Brandel's complete commitment to the bit. And just truly a nobody, Brandel. Yeah, Bryson's using bots on his YouTube page.

So it's a job of his views. Can you anybody miss this? Can you reiterate this? He was on live from and he was saying, you know, that his YouTube view, he's talking more about his YouTube views, which are dubious. I'm sure there's some bots out there driving the interest on this, which was great. And then he's a locker room problem.

I'm paraphrasing here as well, just like anyone who has, you know, it's been touched at all by LiveGolf just gets this ire from Brandel 365 every single day of the year. It's amazing. It's truly amazing how there's zero let up in this guy. And I appreciate him being a beacon that we can all,

you know, kind of poke fun at him this because it was a pretty ridiculous. I love Brano. Brano should be the team, the U.S. captain. That would win me back. Right. She should buy the sawgrass Marriott.

That's a good point. T.C., you got to get one? I think my favorite thing in the entire lead-up has been the, um, those like PGA of America, uh, party kits, they put off.

That were like a thousand bucks. Like there's some napkins and just, oh God. If you're, if you miss this already, this was like, yeah, they were having like party starter kits that they were selling online. It was like, everything was spelled out like the specific quantities that you get. You got it. The ad home fan kit, watercolor art print of Beth Fidge Black, 24 cocktail napkins, 12

coasters, 12 commemorative cups, 12 drinksters and skewers, 12 flagged toothpicks, eight balloons, one hanging pennant, one table runner, and a rider cup guide booklet. And that was the $343 one. The ultimate kit, which I believe was, let's see here, $181, including $105 worth of ticket processing fees, which I know really floats Randy's boat. This one had 100 cocktail napkins, coasters, commemorative cups, drink stirs, and skewers, and flagged toothpicks, 20 table tents, three bar menus, two quiet, please, paddles three window clings one wall flag one hanging pennant one pillowcase banner and a and a customizable digital promotional asset for your venue or club to to promote the watch party thousand dollars say no more yeah uh how many did you order tc i've got six on the way it's just

six hundred six hundred and uh you know 30 dollars in in processing fees It's good stuff. I think that's a good indicator. Generally speaking, I think that is pretty representative of like everything we've heard on all of the ticket exchanges and just how the PGA of America has gone about doing this with the ticket brokers. And I don't even know if it's stub hub or which one they're using. But it's all just like the biggest racket in the world. And, you know, they're just strangling this thing. Randy, do you have one?

A bit of a late entry, but I'm still trying to suss out the claim that Trump has saved the Ryder Cup. I feel like we may have missed the mark not having that off the top, but I think he's used this delaying the Long Island Railroad Strike as a way to say, like, all of this wouldn't be happening. And I don't know, that kind of tickles me. yeah that was a lot a lot to uh it's crazy how uh strange the world has to be for that to not even really make a blip anymore i'm just like oh yeah all right uh sally what do we got as far as as far as odds guys this weekend team usa team europe squaring off in one of the biggest international golf battles of the year you got a reason to follow every swing fandel is giving you a 50% profit boost every day friday through sunday as the action unfolds at the rider

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for some, I tend to agree with you. You really sold me on the Bryson and Cam Young. That would be electric. From the European side, Rory and Tommy's natural Ludwig and Victor, again, feels like a natural option as well.

Any other nominees? Are you guys like those? I think Ron. I think Ron would be a good dude to send off first. first. I'm just super curious with how much success Europe had in foursms at home on a different golf course if they are changing the pairings at all. Or, you know, does the golf course play a factor in the math equation that goes into setting these things up? Or do you kind of stick with what works two years ago when everybody's playing profiles a little bit different

than it's just an interesting spot that they're in in terms of putting out their forcing pairings? I imagine they've probably unlocked some new ones. I think to your point, there's I think there's a lot of guys, you can say this about both teams that are just different players than they were. Like I think Bob's a much better player than he was. I think Ludwig's a much, you know, hasn't played great over the last year or so, like eight months or so, but it seems like he's, he's kind of getting his previous form back. Like Ludwig's a much more experienced player than he was coming straight out of Texas Tech to Rome. Bitz is playing much better golf than.

Fitz is an interesting, interesting question coming in. Tommy, Tommy's raised his floor, too, and he's got a great record. Yeah. Fitz is what, one in seven or something coming into this? I mean, it's, that's a, that's a stark record. I don't know if we're going to see, I don't know where we're going to see him. Just four balls? That's kind of what he's.

Yeah. I mean, he played, his record's just a little bit misleading. I mean, he hasn't been great, but it is, I don't know. I'm not, I, if I'm, if I'm team Europe, I'm not like, I'm not nervous about sending Matt Fitzpatch. got in a rider cut match he's also a much different player than he was during the first two or three of these he played in as well um can i shout out the data golf has a uh a new a new insights tab on the rider cup stuff that gives you like their their optimal pairings and foursums you know they're obviously making their best guess but i mean it's a really it's a pretty cool tool it shows

you like exactly what every pairing uh would potentially look like in terms of overall skill like they're like basically if you put rom and rory together their overall skill will be plus 2.33 that's the best possible one but you can get boost by pairing certain guys together like their pairing number one is rory and tommy pairing two is rom in hatton pairing three is ludwig and robert mcinty and four is hovlin and fitzpatrick uh whereas on the u.s side it goes scottie and jj spawn i know a lot of us are expecting them to go scottie and and russell Henley. They are going Bryson and Russell Henley.

Zander and Ben Griffin, Cameron Young and Patrick Cantley. I do not think that's what we should expect to see from the U.S. side, but I found that interesting from just a math overall perspective. And you can go see what the average skill is for literally any pairing that anyone comes up

with. And they have a compatibility factor in there. I'm not positive how they're doing that. Also have it for four balls. It's just a breakdown of Bethpage as well how each whole plays in vulnerable favor it's a really cool tool their best fit sorry real quick they're best fit for four balls uh for team u s a they have can't lay and sheffler they have bryson and ben griffin they have i heard a lot of that bryson and yeah any any booms they have jj spawn

and cameron young and they have sam burns and zander uh not a lot of h e in any of in any of that uh not a lot of who else am i missing in here. Not a lot of JT in any of that. Not a lot of Morcawa in any of that. Interesting. Something to watch. And then on the European side, this is for four balls, they have Rory and Fits

as the top fit. They have Hatton and John Rom. Second. Victor Hovlin and Ludwig, third, and then Tommy and Rasmus as the fourth. That's a fun tool. I like seeing how that compares to

compare to the reality. Solly, how does the, like, how do the odds and evens work on this? That's a great question, T.C. So the, if you are teeing off the odds, you're expected to send a longer player off the odds. You are expected to be probably hitting driver all seven times that you're on those holes. So the par threes are even. There's two odds, two even ones on the par three's. There are two even holes, two and six.

Again, I've never been to Beth page. I'm going to scope all this out as well. but there's some risk of potentially of not hitting drivers on 2 and 6 and 18 as well. So those are the ones that we're expecting to see Rory and Bryson teeing off the first hole. If it's Scotty and Russell Henley, I assume we're going to see Scotty teeing off the first hole. If it's Hatton and ROM, I assume we're going to see ROM teeing off the first hole. And that works out pretty evenly. The even, I'm going to pulling this from the data golf analysis here,

but the median approach distance for both the even and odd player are about the same. It's in like the 165 to 170 range, but the even player's approaches will be concentrated around the 150 to 210 yards, while the odd player will face a more balanced distribution of approach shots with critical 200 plus shots on 3, 4, 12, 17 short irons on 2, 6, 13, and 18. So I know it's a lot to stick in, but there's a great Bethpage Black Insights tool that they have kind of showing shot distribution, all this stuff. I spent a lot of my morning kind of breaking down buckets of bins where pro shots are going to come from and where the strokes gained distribution comes from

and all that. If it becomes a long iron contest, if it's wet a little bit, there's some rain in the contest. Anything over 150 favors Europe slightly. Anything less than 150 favors the Americans a little bit more significantly. But I can see it turning into a little bit of an arms race off the T because, I mean, there's always an advantage of hitting it closer to the green but that's where the us is going to potentially have the advantage sally have we ruled out that the u.s is cloud

seating we've not there to possibly bring jt and morocawa you know wet golf course more long irons bring them more in the fold scottie we'll look into that yeah yeah that's interesting ask around ask around see if you can hear anything there uh anything else like just while we're talking beth page like i've been there once uh it is a much bigger, much more dramatic ballpark than it probably will feel on TV. I know that's a popular opinion. Much more

land movement elevation change. I think there's a ton of uphill two, you know, uphill second shots, like approach shots that you're constantly hitting up onto these shelves and plateaus. And I don't know if there's like a big feel. I don't know how it's going to play, you know, stroke play versus match play,

I guess is what I'm saying. I don't really have a great feel for that. And I look forward to, kind of reading more and seeing more as the next couple days go on and then obviously as we get into the matches. But anyway, I have any strong feelings there as far as, you know, I know the PGA was kind of a slog a little bit, the most recent one, but anything that might feel different once we get in a match play. By all accounts, I don't believe the rough is anywhere near as high as it was in May of 2019 when they held the PGA there and it was completely

one note. And honestly, one of the worst major championship setups I can remember over the last 10 years. It soured a lot of people on Bethpage, myself included, but I don't think that's how this is going to be set up. So I think Beth Page is going to be a golf course that this event is played on. I don't think it's a good stage, a good golf course, and I don't think it's going to play a massive factor on this. Whistling, I thought, was a stronger fit for the U.S. side, just with how many long irons they were going to have and how good long of a long iron team. that team was this a little less than that and a little um the teams are so close in profile as it stands i just don't i don't see the golf course playing a massive effect on this event the

environment potentially could but the golf course i think is somewhat straightforward yeah randy going back to your question earlier the capital s situation like what what would cause that what would what does that look like does that look like you know rory and a fan getting physical Does that look like somebody yelling in a back swing? Does that look like running onto the green and everything's on the table? T.C., I think that's it, man. It's like, it's all, I feel like there's at least a remote possibility of any of that shit happening. God, we shall see.

Do we know, like, does the, yeah, like, what's the PGA? Because, hey, DT's going to be there, what, on Friday? Well, like, I imagine getting, getting in there. on, you know, on Friday or whichever day is going to be an absolute chore with just security and logistics and the railroad, all that stuff. I'm just, I'm like, this is truly a, it's a fascinating spectacle of like event operations and logistics and, you know, just kind of sports consulting a little bit of like these big agencies, how they pull this off. it'll be time to earn some dough this week for some of the organizers that that is for sure uh randy we haven't talked much singles who's who talked about your dream singles matchup you can you can stack the deck however you want what do you what do you want to see where do you want to see

him uh on sunday i mean i don't think there would be anything better than rider cup on the line rory versus scotty i i mean i know that's probably obvious maybe but like that's where my mind goes I'd love to see the two best players in the world fighting it out for a Ryder Cup I think from a

spirit of the game perspective I agree with you I think from a I feel bad for our country but there's tremendous content I might be it's for Royne Bryson yeah right and that's where I think that that almost is the litmus test of what are you trying to get out of this event

you know do you would you rather see Rory Bryson or would you rather see Rory Scottie I think that's a pretty interesting question. Well, I want Scotty Rom for the third year in a row, a third Rider Cup in a row. Like, that was a really fun budding rivalry that kind of somewhat went away with Rom leaving the PGA tour.

And that was just a, that was going to be a really, really good one, I thought, and I hope they continue that one. I know there's some shenanigans that go in, and putting these singles matchups together. Like, give us those two.

And I think we're going to have a really fun Sunday. TC? I would love to see. I mean, Rory versus a lot of those guys I'd love to see. Like, Roy versus Cantley would get it done for me. I think Tommy versus Colin would be really interesting.

That's a fun one. That would be a fun one. From an iron play and just passion perspective. I think Team Rose versus J.T. would be pretty compelling. That's good stuff too. Yeah. We haven't talked a lot of JT.

How are you feeling about JT coming into this week? I mean, not good. It's not really trending the right way. I think, like, if I had to, you know, if I had to, like, look at what would worry me the most if I was as a U.S. fan is like, all right, we have Scotty who he just has to have a great week. He just does at least three points, like, and potentially three and a half and four. But, like, whoever the second, third and fourth best players are, I can't, like, confidently state who that's going to be. like there's some players that usually emerge rider cup week for the u.s but like there was one guy that got three or more points for the u.s in rome and that guy's not on the team this year that was

max homa who got three and a half points like i think europe had five guys get at least three points in rome hatton hovlin rory rom and fleetwood all got at least three points like europe is stronger like the u.s is strongest at the top europe is stronger like two through five i think the u.s is stronger at the bottom but that matters less than two through five, like they're just going to have to, somebody's going to have to knock off one of those top five European guys and make them have a bad week or else the U.S. could

be in trouble. And is J.T. the top candidate for that? He's been kind of like the dude in, in Ryder Cups. I campaigned so hard for him in 2023 and does the week go differently if he doesn't play with Spieth and he plays in morning foresomes? Maybe. It's hard to say, but he obviously

was not great. Then it hasn't been great really since April. But something happens for him in this event. And And especially on home soil, he's been really, really good at the two that he's played at home, or I guess just the one he's played at home. Excuse me. He was pretty good at Whistling Strait. So that and then Moriqau, I think, are massive question marks on the U.S. side.

Morcao went one and three in Rome as well and was playing a lot better golf back then than he is now. So it's, it's, that's where I think this Ryder Cup's going to get decided in that like kind of two through four or fiveish range on both sides. And the U.S. is going to need one or two guys to really step up. It might be Ben Griffin. Might be JJ Spawn. Like, honestly, I don't know who those guys are going to be, but they're going to need to identify them.

I had a question. Do you play the last two, three months of the season, really from Scottish Open onward, Allay, any concerns on that front? Sure. I'm always concerned. It's a totally different environment, you know? I mean, Cantlay hasn't been,

wasn't nearly as sharp as he has been in years past. It's just, it's a lot of, it's a lot of question marks man and it's it's um how much you sometimes you can throw i mean scottie couldn't have been hotter though going into rome and he went oh two and two and was awful like it's it's it's a completely different environment and you just truly never know what's going to happen um other than stuff's going to get weird that's the only thing i know is going to ask you guys a question i had a question for sally you know what's the one key to the team usa victory i feel like you just kind of laid it out yeah yeah you know and i was

going to ask TC what the flip side of that is what is what is the you know if you're boiling it down into a sentence or two uh what's the what's the key to europe um i think it's those two you know two through five guys playing like stalwartz like a ludwig playing you know really comfortably i think hovlin's got to play well um you know fleetwood like just you know your studs like you may get a a surprise from rasmus or from from fits or you know i think anything you can get say three sessions from rose is a bonus but those guys that I'm totally torn between like you know Rahm and Rory have gone four or five sessions each time I think a way rider cup like this is such a emotionally draining thing and is the key to victory going you know

Rory playing all five matches and going four and one or three one and one or something same thing with rom or is it spreading the load out a little bit more and somebody like here will playing playing really well i don't know like i have i don't have a good answer and and um i'd be lying if i said like here's the key to victory i think it's just like you just got to play good golf and uh i think the usage is more fascinating for this one than than any one i can remember right and i think that comes down to the teams just being so close and it being so tempting to both ride the horses and also to trust in the fact that you do match up on paper pretty well and you can rest guys and you can, you know, sit them for a session

and you know they're going to be fresher later. But also it is such a fucking coin flip on who's going to play well over three days in September. You know, that it is, that's the, I don't know, that's the margin. I do think if Shane plays well, like if Shane comes out and plays well the first day, day and a half, I think that's a massive, massive feather in the European cap of just, you know, kind of the heart and soul of the team and from a locker room perspective and feeling like, all right, like everybody came to play. That's a change's a one to circle in terms of like, if you go back to Rome,

I mean, getting what they were able to get out of Robert McIntyre, which was not good golf, but like by the thinnest of margins, just enough contribution to get points on the board. like that was that's an easier thing i feel like to manipulate or kind of get away with at home and on the road you're just it's it's really hard to scrape by with anything less than excellent excellent golf and that's the thing with like Lowry's got to play really well like he's been he's the 12th man i think in terms of like in terms of form coming into this and i think form coming into this and also like rasmus is obviously just a four a four ball

guy he's got a wild card he's gonna make a bunch of birdies like you know that that's just a matter of what else he does and what he does in singles. But yeah, Lowry is like, yeah, like is he the weak link with how he's played over the last year and a half? And he doesn't have a great Brider Cup record, if I remember right. I mean, I don't know exactly what it is.

I think it's a little stronger than I've given him credit for than people, just with context of like carrying around Rory's corpse at Whistling Straits and two, three, and one of other stuff. I think what I do know for sure is that Randy, there is a situation, you will see Shane Lowry in the corner of that screen. He will be there.

Capital S. I'm not saying he's going to be causing it. I'm not saying it's just, whenever there is one of those things, he just is around. What was the show that had this situation? I think that was Jersey Shoresh. Yeah, I believe it. Not too far from this situation. Maybe the situation is

Chris Godderup coming out, pissed off, and he's not on the team and creating a scene. honestly i hadn't thought about chris gotter up since they picked the teams since we put them on the team after the scholarship randy what are you going to say no i just think the one thing that maybe we haven't mentioned is the possibility i i think it would be a bit

delicious with all the talk about the european system and the analytics and the numbers and man we've got experience like what if the u.s just comes out and fucking kicks their ass like is it time for a team europe to kind of look themselves in the mirror and be like is all this just kind of full of shit and it just comes down to like we play well at home and i think maybe the broadly talking about the fans and the money i think if that's what the result does not does not uh give the verdict on the process those two things are independent of one and oh that's that's kind of related you want the u.s just to be there

you're not even asking the right question randy yeah did we win that's not even i thought you were process so far past that that's not even relevant i think there's a time for the process and then there's a time for like does it actually do anything and we're getting to the point where i'm like i want to see some fruits being bare yeah i mean by all account sallie had written europe off when we're leaving whistling straits and we're in the rv and they and they yeah and and and he's like man, like, it's going to be a rough next decade for Europe. And here we are talking about two pretty evenly matched teams. And I think it goes beyond the analytics and the data and at home it does.

All the dodo stuff, Randy. And it just, I think these guys like each other and they relish this and they like playing together. And I think that's a big part of it. That's not process. That's just reality. No, all that can be true, but it's also like, what good does. that to him i guess that's the question that maybe we get an answer to maybe we don't i i'm just throwing it out there as as something i'm very much going to be thinking about as plan folds i

think all that stuff really matters randy like the europe has is statistically still like the weaker team on paper over the last five writer like every single one like the last time they were the stronger team maybe they were stronger in technically in 2018 but like to like they use all of that all the culture stuff to like overcome that gap more often than they should more often the numbers say they should i think still stands now can they go on the road and overcome all that the talent gap and the home build advantage is like we're on the flip side randy if they do that it would be the ultimate affirmation for sure yeah for sure for sure so there is and i think maybe we didn't talk about that explicitly either but like

i don't think we had talked about the inverse either and i just wanted to throw that out there if you thought i was a little harsh on z j if kegan blows a home writer cup oh my goodness sunday night be here sunday night be here for that okay please be here for that because does it make you feel i know it doesn't make sallie feel sad but does it make you guys feel a little sad that that this should be like phil versus sergio or or phil versus polter as far as captains in this one for sure yeah yeah I think that was we were robbed of that. I was listening to you and you and Porter on the normal sports show

the podcast Porter just started in just recounting some of those old film moments and the I'm sorry I'm sorry you took it that way that's not what I bet it all and just the him boat racing Tom Watson inside the team room allegedly and turning his back to him and saying

one thing about about each guy and completely flipping the mood of the room I'm just like TC I felt the exact same way this morning I'm just like this is going to be a great rider cup i can't wait but man that sucks it should be it should be phil where it would be even better he would have been now i will say the capitalist situation i could see kegan getting in a fight maybe with somebody on his own team you know like i oh my god how did they not do uh miguel hel Jimenez is a as a assistant captain he doesn't even have to be an

assistant captain he could just be a car driver exactly tc we said this on the trap track could have been like Trump bringing Malik Obama to that debate, just sitting in the front row, do that with, with Miguel, just say, remember me, you know, park him on all the T-boxes, get Pepsi out there running around? I don't know. I love it. I know how much this event means to him, so I'm just going to check in on, on Phil's Twitter. Oh, my God. Oh, Phil is not talking about the Ryder Cup on social media this week, guys. I'll say he's on to some other things now. Who would be your, all right, another question that's burning for me. Who would be your guy in the envelope that's, you know, I feel like four different, yeah, outlets.

And they're all good vignettes. They're all good, good, you know, things of like, hey, like, here's what the envelope is. It's if anybody gets heard or whatever. So if anybody doesn't know what we're talking about, yeah, if a player, it's for Sunday singles, basically, because it's 12 on 12, everybody has to play. And so if somebody's unable to go, each team puts a man in the envelope.

And so if Europe has a play, that's not able to go the u.s has to go to their envelope open it up uh and say that our the person we did not essentially want to play uh was this person uh very brutal system uh very funny system uh we are also this is where if you've heard in the past our our takes in the envelope come from we will be sealing those up i believe on thursday night we're going to be putting three takes each of what we think is about to happen and we will not open them uh until until sunday Randy, who are you putting in the envelope for each team? For Team USA, I'm putting Harris English in the envelope.

I think no shade on H.E. But if I can guarantee, because it is, each person gets a half point, right? If a match can't go, I think locking in a half singles point with H.E. is great. And I also think he's a gentleman. You know, he'll relish that role. So that's my pick. On the European side, I think the natural inclination would be, like, to put Rasmus, the rookie in the envelope. Maybe SEP with how he's played with?

Yeah. Like, honestly, like, maybe a Justin Rose. Wow. You can't hold team. What if they just honor him on Sunday instead of him actually play? You know, they just make a whole Instagram video about him. uh sally who's yours uh i think kegan probably put himself in the envelope just just to be clear guys

i'm not playing sunday singles okay i just i don't want to make this about me uh but i'm not going to i'm not going to go play uh just to just to lay down the tracks well then europe sevy the great man and then it's just it's a it's a it's a you know there's 29 total points up for grabs not 28. If I'm the U.S., I think it, I don't, it's, it's, it's something you figure out week up, you know, you do it Sunday morning, right? You don't do it, uh, you do it before the week starts? No, I think you're right. I think it's, yeah. You get a chance to see how guys are playing,

maybe Saturday night. You get a chance to see how guys are playing. Um, like, I don't know, is JJ Spahn going to be like, he's not the best course fit and I know he had, he had a good fall on top, like that would probably be my number one estimation, uh, as of now. But, It could be if Griffin comes out as wildly nervous and stinks, I think he's going to ball out. I'm excited for him, but the English pick is interesting as well. That's one that, you know, that's hard. It's really hard.

I think it's easier on the European side. I think Rasmus or shame. Wouldn't you need to do it on before play starts in case someone got hurt during the course of play? I don't know. What's a look at it, the nitty gritty of the envelope situation? I want to go back to J.J. Spawn for a second because I, I don't want him to be a victim of his own openness or victim of his own quotes because,

you know, I think everybody has a lot going on and very few people actually say it out loud. But he had a lot of stuff earlier in the year after, you know, really after the U.S. Open, but talking about previous ages in his career and like how much he struggled with confidence, how much, you know, it's taken to believe that he's the right guy for the job. And I think winning a major certainly has to, you know, make you feel. like a lot of that goes away but I do think this is a I don't know this tournament's a different animal and I don't know that he's the one that I'm looking on that side I'm like yeah I don't know if the stroke play results I'm not going to guarantee they project into an event like this

you know I do think it's a different a different arena granted it's a home one but I don't know do you guys have any thoughts on any thoughts on that I could see him being their best player too you know it's one of those things like I didn't feel great about Patrick Reed in 2014 he was playing terrible going to that writer cup and immediately it was like oh my god that's going to be the guy that you just go to the whip on it and ride out to the finish like that's the beauty like there's some major that's a that's a fun thing about having some new players in this like i can see ben griffin and jj spawn being two of the best american players like i could see a world where ben griffin plays five beny booms i can see where he plays five matches if he

gets like it plays the max homer role this year you know so yeah i just did read it you do put the name in the envelope on sunday uh when you submit your singles lineup I'm sorry, so Saturday, but it's ahead of singles on Sunday. Anyways. I mean, I would say the other thing that spawn, maybe it's a blessing, maybe it's a curse is like his game is predicated upon accuracy, which isn't quite as much a factor on this setup. But also, like, he's one of the best putters we've seen in recent memory.

And, you know, that's one of the things that gets most, affected by nerves, right? And so... Yeah. And I think, again, I was... I was thrilled to hear Trevor Ullman say this out loud as well when I... I don't remember if it made the final version of the pod, but just talking like, you can... You're better off hiding somebody in foursums versus four ball

because you have to make birdies in four ball. You are worth nothing if you do not make birdies in four ball. So you can be less than perfect if you're keeping the ball in play and hitting average golf shots in foursums. And so I think we tend to, with some... of these players that you're like kind of nervous about how they're going to play you tend to say uh just put them in four ball let them play their own ball and they'll be fine whereas you might be better off letting them play uh in forcums um so it it's you could that's where like you can really

get complicated trying to talk talk through it but the order of which what you play on the first morning and second morning is important because like you can pretty much pen in what you want to do in fours both days i would imagine like uh and you're only leaving yourself wiggily room for the four ball matches but um i don't know we can be in a pretzel on that but sally uh anybody else we need to thank today we do it's officially fall that does not mean golf has to slow down for some of us down here in florida golf season's just getting started but yeah if you have any golf trips this season do yourself a favor check out what our friends at club club club club club is the number one golf travel bag on tour for a reason it's trusted by more than 60% of pGA tour professionals

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Favorite in-person Rider Cup, or I'm going to say Rider Cup adjacent memory from you guys. Matt, who runs our socials put together, like, just a great carousel on Instagram the other day of just a bunch of fun Rider Cup memories that I kind of forgot about. I was just curious, T.C. I'll throw it to you first. who what what sticks out as far as uh some of your favorites uh i would say i mean i've only been to one i just went to whistling straits and it's just standing there talking to jim nance and set and jane woff like three and a half hours it felt like on what was that friday or saturday they're near the hospital yeah yeah and just like truly like what a world like this is crazy.

Jane Waugh is a take smith. That's where my head had gone also. Yeah. That was good. I think piggybacking, I've only been to one as well. It was such a fun, unique setup, though,

with the RV being like right across the street. You loved it, Randy. Whistling Straits. I'm so thankful I didn't have to sleep in it. I think that's partly why I liked it. But just getting back there, you know, having some beers,

doing the shows it was really a fun experience our guys zig who we saw and i met it what two years in advance or something at this point right we booked our spot it was uh god that was just really really fun coming back and having beers with like the you know there were a couple of a couple of guys from who was it abu daby or something i remember talking to those guys laid into the night at you know our guys zig put on a party every night that we just kind of come back and have beers um rolled through yeah that was that was fantastic i will put i've only been to one uh on the road and being on the first tee sally i think at uh at rome i know it wasn't the uh i think paris you know has been built up as this lore of maybe the first the best first tea ever hazeltine sounds like

it was up there as well but uh that was my first like wisconsin i love wisconsin nobody loves wisconsin more than me of course but uh pretty flat at whistling straits and i I didn't really know what to your ex. Yeah, no euros. It was kind of post-COVID and I didn't really know what to expect. And I was like, man, I hope this whole thing hasn't been overblown. And I thought, I thought Rome just absolutely brought the noise. They rolled the banner of the great man Sevi out.

Guys are doing chance. The sun's coming up. It ruled. And it was like a, oh, this is why we made the trip sort of morning. So what do you got? You got a long history to pull from. Yeah. I mean, the first one I covered like in earnest.

I went in 2012, but I didn't get to go to first tea shot. I went into Hazeltine and like that opening tea shot was just a, there was a fervor there for that one. I mean, Patrick Reed, you know, was out there in short sleeves. There was like a fog and there was just song after song and the Euros would sing a song and the U.S. fans would get louder and drown it out. There was just a very real energy around that first tea. It was complete opposite of Wisconsin.

I was so disappointed with the opening tea shot at WS. whistling and compared to like what we experienced on that opening tea that day and that just that entire week like I'd never really gotten to walk inside the ropes like that event and getting to go in between holes. There's just so many it's like eight rows deep of people just on the rope line watching the players walk from one green to the next tee and it's just like making the hair on on my arms stand up just everybody's chanting USA at Reed as he's going by and Rory's instigating the crowd and you just got to like literally walk like right behind him as all this was happening. it launched this event into a completely different stratosphere for me of like, dude, I've

been to a lot of golf tournaments. I've, you know, followed a lot of golf and like nothing compares to this level of energy and like the fact you only do it every two years and there's just so much on the line with every single shot. It's, it's just the best, man. It's great. And I think this week is going to be closer to Hazeltine than it was Whistling Straits. Can I, can I ask you before we move on? I mentioned listening to Porter's Pod. And I don't think this got any run in our internal slack. Uh, but can you, can you tell us about the dream that you had the other night oh god what was it i it when you have a dream like i almost did a pull off i almost had to pull off on the side of the road as i was listed to this this morning i was like how did i not

hear anything about this i believe you lucas clover you had a dream about the rider cup i think there was so many situations incidents injuries i don't know oh yes you said you said that there were fill in players you said hank leviota was on the team yeah that's right i believe Yeah, it's like, you couldn't find our way to the first T. That's what it was, exactly. There's another player that I can't remember that was a fill-in as well. But the real specific detail I remember was that somebody had forgotten their glove. Do you remember this and who they had to borrow it from?

Was it me? No, it was Adam Levine of Moon 5. Dude, dreams, I can remember them like the next morning and then it's gone forever. Like, I couldn't ever tell you another dream I've ever had. And I was rolled right out of bed right into this pod. I was like, I said the weirdest Rider Cup dream last night. I was like, man, these are so many specifics. That's, yeah, well, all right, I think that that teased it up.

We've, we've arrived at the, the conclusion of our program, which team wins. Real quick, are we bullish or bearish on TV coverage? This is kind of our Waterloo last time around. What do you think? Yeah, I think it's going to stink. It's the return of Faldo. We've got Faldo in the booth. You know, Hicks, Faxon, and McGinley, and then Gannon, Noda, and Fingham.

Fowdo or the play-by-play analyst pairings. It sounds like they're trying to get the commentary to be more partisan, you know, kind of across the way there. Embrace the Bones, Spiley, Kurt Byram, Encourse reporters. I've heard rumors that Tom Roy is not doing it, that they've got a new guy in there running the show this week, which is interesting. could be interesting it's only what not that far from Stanford

Connecticut I would hope that they get everybody yeah that they cover it with an ample amount of you know cameras and have options for streams and all that stuff I will be if it's great

I'll be the first person to shout out how great it is I'm rooting for it to be great I hope it is but I think from the from the group that you know it's not NBC's fault but from the group that brought you the $1,000 table tents and cocktail napkins. And I just

I don't know that the focus of this event has necessarily been on making the greatest fan experience ever. And I'm going to guess it's packed to the gills with ads and all kinds of stuff that kind of trickle down from either the PJ of America or NBC

or both. So I we shall see, but I'm, I will likely be watching a lot on DVR this week, I think. Oh, we're going to get a blocky blocky Donree. God, I hope so. How's blocking out in the celebrity celebrity? Some good names in there.

Did you guys see that? I just missed it, I think. I think there's more names that would be kind of on Randy's, on Randy's, you know, wavelength than anybody else's. Tony Koo-coach, chef Jose Andrace, Pao Gassal, Sali, your boy. Noah Khan, T.C. guy,

Strahan, John McEnroe, Bob Flay. You know, apparently he's dating that girl, Brooke. Yeah, Brooke.

Top Chef. Williamson. Yeah. Interesting. Timuselani. Sure. So, yeah. You know.

Tum Salani. Yeah, before you criticize, Rady, you know, I think these are like, a lot of your boys. Who's Brooklyn Pelt Beckham?

Is that David Beckham's kid? I don't know who that is. Must be. I'm not embarrassed to say. I don't know who that is. I wish, I wish them all the best. Catherine Zeta Jones playing.

Miranda Lambert. I know Randy's a big Miranda Lambert. No, I haven't gone country yet. All right. All right. We're wavered. Sorry I brought up the Celebrity All-Star Vatch. I should have done that.

Dean Brown. I do. I want to land the point here. This is the last question. Who wins and who will be the top point score? I think it is time to go on the record here. U.S. wins 16 to 12. Scott Sheffler goes three, one in one.

who wants to go next i'll go next europe wins 1513 and the reds clinch the last wild card spot i'm gonna parlay those two things vandal that's massive top point score tito francona top point score yeah top point no uh top point score is let's say ludwig uh man tc i like that 15 13 europe i'm willing to look like a fool uh just for the upside of of being there for one of the great victories in history and i'm going to say john rom the forgotten man is your is your top point score do you guys remember john rom it's really good it's really good allegedly um it's bad i will have to take my team team usa let's call it 15 and a half 12 and a half a little tighter which will be fun i'm gonna go top point score i'm gonna go off the board a touch let's go with i like russ henley let's go russ henley

I hope Russ has a great week Always rooting for Russ Guys this was an absolute delight I'd be really pumped Anything else Anything else we need to cover Does the cat show up No

The cat does not show up I don't think so Is he What do you think Dej God that never even crossed my mind I mean that's the most obvious ploy That the U.S. is going to

The great man cat Yeah Do they just roll out a cat banner down the what his rider cut record there 13

are out there I'll say yes TC are out there I hadn't even thought about it until 11 seconds ago but yeah I think he's out there

he's out of the first tee just just yucking it up brandy walk right now he was hitting balls the other day I thought I

oh okay right yeah I haven't been on top of my cat stuff uh yeah Cody I don't know I don't have anything who's Kane Brown

He was the other guy from the celebrity thing. Okay. Anyway, Dej, I like the game you got going. So in this here comments section, not the live chat right now, but below the video, it'll stay up and everybody can see it. I want to, I'm going to, whoever's closest to winning scores. So pick the score and then top point score, all come back at the end of the week and pull a couple names that are, that are winners or are closest. And I'll get you hooked up with something. So, uh, fill up that check.

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This is a very exciting one from the, from the twisted minds of Neil and Casey and Jordan dialing up some good stuff there. That's going through Wednesday. Wednesday, they're saying 11.59 p.m. Eastern time, to be specific, I know your newsletter is calling for your best

USA versus Europe. Team golf themed haikus for a chance to win some cool prizes from Club Glove, Titleist, and Footjoy. Check that out on uh on the newsletter as well but i'm going to get ahead of this now the nicholas and shan you guys are doing it wrong you got to hit it in the the comment section below comment section

not the live chat drop it let us know in the comments below and throw us a thumbs up when you're down there i feel like i feel like any bany booms related hikus will be looked upon in favor of you can play to the audience that's for sure uh guys this ruled great to uh great to chop it up i cannot wait for this week and we got a lot more a lot more to come pace yourselves so let's have a week yeah fantastic who are you picking uh us is going to win it'll be close but it's the home that's what they're expected to do so i would love to see team europe come and and shake things up but i just i think that's a little mountain too too tall tc i'm sorry and kind of shame you didn't whip the votes like You were clearly caught off guard by Randy earlier.

I wasn't expecting that exchange, prisoner exchange there. I thought he was honoring the 87 team. What do you mean the unions aren't voting for us? Anyway, guys, pumped. It's going to be a good week. Safe travel, Sully. Cheers, guys. Crack on.