No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1077: Europe Wins The Ryder Cup

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

It was close, but it was never going to be enough as Team Europe, led by Captain Luke Donald, lifted the Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black. 15-13 is the final with Tommy Fleetwood being the high point scorer. We break down the entire week from start to finish, give out grades (for Players, Captains, and Course), play "Where Do We Go From Here?", do some superlatives, peek inside the envelope, and so much more. Presented by High Noon - Suns Up! Support our sponsors: BMW - Worldwide Partner of the 2025 Ryder Cup Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf Yeti - No Compromises. SoFi - Get Your Money Right at SoFi.com/nlu ServPro - Like it never even happened Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Noling Up live show. The Noling Up podcast presented by our friends at high noon. My name is DJ. God, we had a good day to talk about today. That was upset of the century, guys. Europe, of course, your winners at the Ryder Cup, but it was 15, 13. I don't think a lot of people have.

had that tc and i of course had it before the week we can talk about that later but i don't think anybody had it last night speaking of tc he's here he's wearing his ludwig hat a lot of a lot of interesting fashion from the from the whole squad today tc glad tidings my man how are you glad tidings i'm great i'm great it was uh it was a more wrenching day than i think i bargained for uh eventually got it done and just really really proud of the boys uh the boys the boys got it done the badge and the boys speaking of the boys a couple of team u s a homers down there randy looking like guy fierry with the reds shirt uh just a delightful day on a couple counts for you i would imagine absolutely our reds backed into the post season um you know i'm

still wondering marlins that's right i'm still wondering how in the world i ended up on team usa before this weekend but um it was it was exciting i know we'll get into it but god damn was I rooting for 14.14. And of course, last but not least, a guy who stakes his reputation on this event. I think he had to be a little nervous. I think he had to be a little nervous going in today of just like, does this event suck now? What's going on? But we're so back, Solly. I know wasn't the result you were looking for, but I think we are back. It was a remarkably fun day. Come back aside, it was even like just from the jump, the vibe was so much better out there. And it was just it was fun it was I don't know if it's the early start that makes people hostile or just

extra tired in the afternoon on the team days it was just like I mean there was still like some of the stuff happening but it was just fun the energy was great and I I was out there for four hours today without ever believing there was a serious match going on everyone's like hey are you do you believe it I'm like fuck no like absolutely not Matt Matt was sending over a copy to be using social and it was like yeah the comeback is on like no do not say that like they're They do not have a chance. I'll own that one. They made it way closer than I ever thought.

It was infectious, man. We really needed that day. I know this is, this was just supposed to be the intro and I was just supposed to say hello, but I'm absolutely, I'm buzzing. I'm frothing. It was a really, really, really fun day. I have a lot of things to get off my chest. Well, I can't wait to get into it.

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i've never heard of this rider cup thing everybody was everybody at work was talking about it what what happened i want to hear you you sum it up um the the u s team got so embarrassed in rome that they threw a massive curveball and selected a current active player to be the captain mostly because of a netflix series i would imagine uh and uh out of fan sympathy i guess is the best way i describe it was a massive distraction of whether or not he was going to pick himself for the team you can't do two years and do succinct uh they had a home rider cup a massive home field advantage should have had a home field advantage should have won it were favored to win it and a team of great men boarded a ship and came across

the ocean and put on a epic performance over the first two days expended a lot of energy in doing so and almost had the greatest collapse one of the greatest collapses in the history of sports uh most definitely almost one of the greatest collapses in rider cup history but in the end they gutted it out two point victory that honestly i think i have a feeling it's going to pay there's going to be an attempt to paper over a lot of the mistakes made i think it makes everything about a thousand times worse that went wrong on days one and two uh because you could make the case uh you would have been able to make the case like yeah they just played better and even making some better decisions wouldn't have really affected things no the decision like blowing this

is like one it's one of the biggest gaps in rider cup history modern rider cup history definitely since we've been covering it uh team europe is a formidable opponent that must be taken seriously they're going to they're going to do all of the necessary uh address all the necessary details to be prepared to play their best golf and if you hand them any advantage they're going to take it and they took it and they deserve to win i mean europe is definitely the deserving team uh to win this uh win this rider cup and it's really really impressive to have won this uh on home on on on U.S. soil. T.C. annotated version, footnoted version. What did he miss? What do you agree with? What's your perspective? No, I thought that was a very classy, all-encompassing bear summary

from Sali. I'll take it back to whistling straits. I think we heard a lot in Sallie. I know you were you were acquitted on these charges in the press. We're a little worried for a minute. For those that weren't listening, Rory, reference It might have been an exact quote of mine when he was getting interviewed on the 18th Greens. I heard so much about this decade of dominance for the U.S. And I was like, that is, I said that. Like, that is about me. But in the presser, Alan Shipnick asked about it.

And Rory repeated that line back at him as it like, is like, what about that decade of dominance, Alan? So I think he was referring to Alan. I am guilty there, but I do not believe that was a public shot at me. I deserve it. I 100% deserve it. but I do not believe that's what it was. You hid behind Alan, made it make a bullet on that one. Yeah, what were we thinking about that one, Alan?

No, but I think very much, yeah, very much an interesting Sunday, which I think makes it, like, you kind of view everything through a different lens, but I just come out of it, like, really impressed with, like, they got off the bus immediately and they were prepared as all get out. I think the continuity thing and going from a home Rider Cup victory to an away Rider Cup with pretty much the same team in place and the same captain with two or three years more experience as well of doing this. It's just immense.

And I think even from an assistant captain perspective, like just all of the leadership on that team, both players and captain and even support staff, it's just like it's awesome. Can I add on to that TC of just that, I think the same team, but like a team in a little bit worse form than they were going into Rome and going on the road. It makes it that much more impressive of just like getting everything out of it that they possibly could. It wasn't like a, you know, I was kind of pointing out the fourish guys at the bottom of Team Europe as being potential weaknesses, but they paper, they covered over it so well on the road.

That's just like, man, that's just really, really, really impressive. And we. So I think on that note, I think fifth. is the one that really excuse me Fitz is the one that really sticks out on that front of like Luke basically telling him hey like I want you

I want to see you play well these next two weeks make the choice for me and he did that I know you're very emotional and you got a lot going on in your system right now I had something go down the wrong pipe no I thought Fitz showed up in a big way and

kind of papered over some of those concerns on form and all that right man uh randy as kind of a an impartial you know you're not on the on the many of the writer cup preview podcast but i know we're uh we're locked in all weekend what was your your kind of biggest takeaway macro takeaway well on the preview pod this week i i said i just wanted an exciting sunday i wanted a good clean fight i wanted some action some drama and i think ultimately we we got there you know i i not how i would have plotted us to get to Sunday afternoon with some real tension in the air.

But I commend the U.S. team for showing up today, at least. So listen, I'm chuffed, and I think Solly's going to go into it. It sounded like today on the grounds was spectacular. And I think having a close Rider Cup like this, truly, is what this event needed. I'm honestly kind of glad that Team Europe has won now. It gives the Americans a real goal to go chase in 2027 and beyond. And I think as far as the Ryder Cup at large, it's good. I think it's in a healthy place leaving Bethpage.

So I really am happy for that. I think my big takeaways, agree with all of what you guys have said. The thing that stuck out to me was Rory saying in the press conferences. The press conferences were awesome, as they always are. they were what they lacked in fireworks and backstabbing and a bus running over i thought they made up for in substance and thoughtfulness and yeah like even humility and just like it was it was actually really good stuff uh juxtaposed kegan with z jay kegan was great ago like kegan was very very gracious and and you know very thoughtful in the sword too much honestly yeah but i thought

what rory was saying and he was very clear because he was asked a lot about you know as he should have been the pounding on the dais in Rome, the hardest thing to do is win an away rider cup and we're going to go do it in two years, mark my words, type of stuff. And then not only did he go and he, you know, had all this kind of other turmoil and he won the grand slam and he had all these these other things. He also showed up in what had to be the hardest week of his life, I would imagine, considering the fan atmosphere and playing on the road and all of the mental stuff that goes along with that. He played unbelievable golf and he did it.

And his big takeaway that I'm alluding to was basically as soon as the last putt dropped in Rome, they had a fun night and celebrated. And then it was like immediately 12 guys switching over to like, how are we going to win at Bethpage? I'm not here to relitigate all the Keegan stuff, but juxtapose that with like, we don't know if our captain's going to play or not, you know, leading up two weeks in advance. How are we not here to re-litigate all this stuff, by the way?

I do not agree with that. I'm trying to put the euros first because I think that type of self-awareness and planning and attention to detail and, you know, again, like humility and unit building and all of that stuff, I think just stands in such stark comparison to the U.S. team saying like, yeah, cool, we'll think about that. It's like me trying to deal with my homework when I was a kid, you know, it was like, yeah, man, if I, like when I'm in the eighth grade, like, yeah, I don't have to study that much. Like, you know, I'll just kind of show up and. you know, win some, you know, win some, but I'll win more than I, more than I lose. And, you know, I think I'll be in pretty good shape. Then I got to engineering school and college and was just like, whoa, man, I am, I am outmatched. I do not know what I'm doing here. That's a little bit how the U.S. team feels. It's just like, oh, man, I forgot to, I should have been studying for the last year.

I cannot catch up in three days here. This is going to be, I'm stressed now. There was a moment in the presser where there was like a, Scotty almost casually brings up that it was their catty. is Ted Scott and their caddies discussing how they should switch odds and even holes. And there was just just kind of looking around amongst like all the media people. Like did he just say that? Like the what didn't even eventually come from the cat? Like again, stuff that us idiot podcasters are pointing out like weeks in advance of how you're going to set up the holes just based on very publicly available information.

And like that kind of bag. Scotty calling two different assistant captains two different assistant captains to get it like up you know get it up the chain to get that to happen it just there wasn't really an answer on the data stuff of Andy Johnson asked a couple great questions just about course setup and all of that and Keegan was like I just got right out in front of it of I made a mistake on the course setup like that's that's on me tried to say something like you know we didn't see the rain coming which I don't know how they were they were watering the hell out of the golf course on wednesday night knowing that it was going to rain all day for it or all day thursday yeah and again it's it's it's it's

it's such an all-time bag fumble we've been we've covered that enough in the last couple of nights but just today alone the u.s gained um i believe it was they gained four over over 10 shots on europe tea to green today and today was the firmest the course was and today was the fastest the greens ever were like the things that you know i overheard an assistant captain talking on the on the microphone on friday we got to get these greens faster like that's a thing europe has done for rider cups forever is slow down the greens when they go how did the greens get slow guys like how could you how could you have messed that up and i i'm sorry to just go straight there but it a lot of that is brought to light and i just appreciated kegan putting his hand up and not trying to explain it away i had nothing i would

do differently you know they just made more puts he was humble you know enough to say like yeah i made a mistake with the course setup. I mean, it was obvious to anybody that watched it, but I at least appreciated him, him hold on his, and it's felt sincere too. Like, if I had that one back, I would take. I think on the course set up stuff, I don't even think he should be allowed to make some of those decisions because it's so, like, it's hurting the broadcast. Like, it's hurting the product out there of, it was like simulator golf out there for, for the majority of the weekend. And it was like watching golf in kind of two dimensional versus. the ball on the ground or just like it was just really there just wasn't a whole lot of depth

to the golf out there and I think that's like it everybody's cheaper for it the competition was cheaper for it you know it certainly costs the US I think but but just generally I think the fans were not treated to interesting golf because of the setup and I think the thinking probably was let's get a ton of birdies and get the crowd whooping and hollering honestly that's probably the extent of the thought process which can be the right they make a bunch of birdies though what if they shoot you in the face

it can be the right answer in a different team makeup in a different like or even in a different format I think you felt it singles today yeah like I go back to like that I was tweeting something about this but like the Rolex hour was the first time where I was like damn

everybody's making birdies this is sick like actually this is great you know and I didn't feel that way the first two days I was like man this stinks nobody can ever possibly make a boge. And when you did get the crowd on your side, you kind of flip that inertia and you could feel, I mean, you could just feel the crowd kind of, it's cliche, but like kind of will in some of these matches to flip. Bryson was five down. He was five down through what, eight, seven, and like flipped it back for a half. And the guy was, a guy that is normally out of his mind was

three times out of his mind today. And that's like, yeah, we just, we could have, could have used that the first the first couple days not from bryson bryson played well i just mean like that macro kind of the crowd being into it and getting the momentum going do you want i have more core stuff do you want to do that now or do you want to wait for that i spoke with somebody who has done this for a team before um and i i i'll leave his name out of it just in case he wants to be uh in conspicuous but we're we're going to attempt to have him on the pod this week as well to to break this down but i was like all right like i i get it like kind of macro i think i can explain it but hey you've actually like done this and dug into this stuff before can you like break down exactly why this

happened he said i think making it a putting competition takes away the strength of your best players like it makes it irrelevant like having an iron uh and when when you're neutralizing scotty and colin and j j and zander you're making it more important that they putt well than ball strike like that's what this equation ultimately landed on he didn't like fully properly analyze it but like for example at a president's cup that he worked on he was trying to make the golf course like as random. His team was trying to make the golf course as random as they could. The rough gradients changed along the hole instead of one uniform grade of rough like it was all over this golf course. Got different sand in the bunkers that was different than what the

American team was used to used to. It slowed the greens down and took wedges out of the American's hands. And you make it random and more to chance in a situation where they were underdogs. And it just felt like I got like go back to Hazeltine. In 2016, they did a good job of like making it a wedge contest, making it from 100 to 150 and setting it up with easy pins. In Paris, in 2018, the European team knew they had a significant advantage and accuracy off the T. So they made sure the golf course was set up that the hole was decided by the T shot and not the putting by manipulating the rough and all the mowing lines and stuff that they did with that. They had ropes and galleries put back 20 yards so the rough wouldn't

get trampled as well so there was no advantage to being extra like again just really thoughtful stuff that is going to continue to add up and add up and add up uh and then there's you know the u.s putter like on paper are better putters but they they were not obviously this week and you put all your eggs into the basket of making it a putting contest you give it's a very big risk that you will get fucked and they did get fucked so they also made driving just less important than usual uh made approach play easy so there's no advantage to being elite so everyone can form uh perform perform well here. Short game was not existing because you could fire at pins and you can easily

get it up and down from everywhere. And it becomes a putting contest and a huge gamble. Now, I think, like, if you ran it right back, if you play this whole thing over again, do I think Europe would blow out the U.S. on the greens like they did? Probably not. Like, there is some variance to the upside in terms of

how well they putted, but it was stupid of them to have taken that risk and they paid the price. I don't know if that makes sense. It does. It makes perfect sense. I think there's the variance thing is really interesting and the they just made more puts thing is interesting because I am willing to meet in the middle on this one. This was a absolutely historic performance and there was a little bit of randomness to just like, man, all those went in. That's, that's crazy.

I do, I'm willing to concede this was not like Rome where it was, there was more to it than that. But I also think there was more to it than that. And I think listening to Luke in the press conference is again, or really listening to the people talk about Luke in the press conference is the thing that goes back to the exact same thing that they said in Rome. Justin Rose said it. It stuck with me. It hit me like a lightning bolt that when you are so clearly communicating the roles that people need to play and what is expected of them and exactly how the team is going to function, it makes everybody better at their jobs. Justin Rose spelled all of that out of just like, we know that he has put in the work and we are so, like listen to any of those guys talk about

Luke Donald or Dodo or any of the guys that are in, even the support staff. They all shouted out the support staff and the people run in the team room and like all of those things because you heard them talk about the hotels and how they switched out mattresses. They changed the mattresses. They covered the little crack in the door. To be that's right to clarify here. They covered a crack in the door that changed the show.

They built all new hotel rooms for these guys. No, but they you toilet trees too, better smelling toiletries. I just think maybe I'm a simp moron for this. but if if you are so detail oriented about all of that stuff imagine walking into that scenario and just being like man you don't have to worry about anything like i have got you and i've thought of anything that you need to worry about and i'm three steps ahead and i've already got you taken care of is some of that bullshit totally but is it going to help you play better golf for sure man like how do those guys that's proven we always joke about like why do all these guys walk to

the first tee like they're eight feet tall it's because it's all of that stuff behind the scenes nothing is going to convince me otherwise and again i just i think the u.s actually did make some strides on this we can talk about that later but dude they've got 30 years of ketchup to do on this stuff tc is that is that jive with where you're yeah no i definitely think it jives and i think it also jives with going back to you know post rome of like immediately setting their sights on hey what can we do better how can we take the show on the road like just being unified right around this is our goal like this is you know brandle brando kind of bottom lined it earlier on live from he said when they said that out loud and said hey like our

goal is to go win in when in new york that's like everybody that was the mission right everybody aligned around that early on there was no there was no lack of clarity i think it's it's clarity and focus all the way across the team and and even you know it's yeah like the scotty thing is interesting with going on, like, which holes your teeing off on? And the fact that that's even a, yeah, I mean, it's like literal holes that you're playing. And the fact that that's, that, you know, it takes one round even to, to notice that and, and then say something. Like, if you think Scotty would leave anything to chance, him, you know, going and

teeing it up at Augusta or at Shinnecock next year going after the U.S. Open, you would, like, he would never leave anything like that to chance. Whereas in the team room, like he's, that was taken out of his hands and he had to raise his hand and say, hey, wait, why are we doing it this way? And again, it could be random variance in this, but like Friday foursoms, Scotty lost 0.32 shots. Henley lost 1.15 shots. So combined, they lost a shot and a half playing Friday fours, Friday foursons, Saturday foursons playing off the right holes. Scotty gained 0.41, Russell gained 0.33. They lost one down still.

they still didn't play great, but almost a two-shot flip, over two-shot flip, just in playing in the proper order. And I don't attribute all of that to playing in the proper order, but you got to things are one on the margins. Yes, you've got to put the math in your favor when you had the opportunity, man. And it's not even a thought as to whether or not Europe's going to get that right. I mean, truly, there's not a world where they would mess that up. And we're just asking for a bare minimum reached on the U.S. U.S. side? Like, I don't think we're asking you to be Europe. You just got to meet a minimum threshold. And, like, again, you lost by two and you sent out the worst mathematical fours

pairing you could send out twice. You did it not once, but twice. One of the guys you put in the envelope and didn't send out for singles. Like, it's just, it's way, way worse than if you got blown out today. It's way, oh my God, it's so much worse. It's so much worse. We're going to get, All right. I got a lot of other American infrastructure as we could go with this. A lot of other American infrastructure week stuff that I want to talk about. But Randy, I want to throw this one to you because DC, you mentioned Brandel. Brandel was cooking all week as he always is. As we know, Brandel household over here.

But he, I thought, also underscored another very important point that I would love for the U.S. team to write down on a whiteboard, circle it, take a picture, text it to everybody on the team, change your background. Randy, who's the underdog? going into ireland here well it's the u.s for sure and is it going to feel that way uh i think it will just by sheer fact of it being across the pond maybe the better question is assuming europe wins in ireland in 27 who should be the favorite in 29 because i mean you guys mentioned you go back to 1995 europe's won what 11 out of 15 rider cups europe's won four times on American soil since the last time the Americans have won across the pond. And so I thought Shane Ryan in the does a Captain Matter podcast, I thought he put it

pretty well in that I think a lot of this, and I subscribe to this belief, I think the Europeans Team Europe wants to beat America a lot more than America wants to beat Team Europe. And I think that is the biggest thing that the U.S. operation has to come to terms with is we need to, like, operationally, it's got to start with, we got to find people that, like, this matters to. And we need one clear direction going forward. We need to beat the crap out of team Europe. And I don't know if it's like a GM and it filters down to the captain and the players. but like I feel like they have to get aligned on do you like do you guys want to win this how important is it and everything's got to flow off of that because you look at team Europe the operation they're running that's where it all starts from is this means a lot to them and it's very important and as solie was saying with like they can't even get some of the T strategy right and in pairs play like it just it the proof is in the pudding it doesn't by action it doesn't mean as much to the American And I think Team Europe deserves to be favored in this event until we see some tangible evidence that that has flipped.

Randy, we talked about this a little bit last night of just like who is actually making that decision. I was just say, trace this back to DP World Tour versus PJ of America. Like the support team on the DP World Tour, like European Tour side is massive, massive and heavily invested in winning and winning only. Like they had their team doctor, like the European Tour doctor, DP World Tour. doctor is who came up with like, hey, you guys are going to go Sunday from the BMW. You're going straight to New York and no one is allowed to leave the Eastern time zone for the two week period. No one's allowed.

Ludwig was the only one that went home in that time period, but he was still on East Coast time. And you're not allowed to leave the East Coast time. Like that was their thing. Remember, the U.S. showed up in Rome and they got to be jet lagged. Yeah, they kept, they complained about being jet lagged for an event they knew that the scheduled date was made 10 years in advance. like that level of detail and invent there's that's not happening on the pj of america side like it just don't care about this so what's the so who's the guy that that that like it does it have to be scotty almost of scottie says hey uh you know like this is not acceptable and like i'm the

lead dog i'm gonna take like i'm gonna you know i'm gonna band together with with two or three other guys and like we're calling the shots here for the for the next six years you know what does what does that look like? God, I don't know if we want to go there now. I was not expecting to go there now. But you know, I think it might be TC. I know we talked about Tiger last night as a potential captain, and I do not want to be a prisoner of the moment here.

I was very blown away by Keegan's humility in the press conference. I wonder if he would consider treating it the way Luke Donald treats it, truly, in a way that's like, this is going to be my thing, and I am going to learn from my mistakes, and I'm going to do it differently. Because I don't think that the one and done thing is going to work. I think if you're going to flip it, like, that was the entire thing that Luke Donald said.

It won't work without somebody above the captain that gives a damn. Like, if you're going to switch captains every two years, you need better infrastructure in place. And that's where I'm like, dude, I don't know how you pull that out of thin air. Or to your point, Tron, I don't know who that person is. And I can see the look on your face. And before you hit me in the face of the shovel here. I'm aware of all the mistakes he made as well.

That's not the problem. It's not the problem. I think that the, well, I know he's going to keep playing golf. Exactly. Yeah, I do get that. And that's where I'm like, it requires Luke Donald, like Luke Donald had to punt on his playing career. And that's what I'm trying to get at is maybe Keegan would want to,

maybe he'd want to do that. And if he doesn't, then that's totally fine. But if it's not him, then I truly don't know who it is. Well, and then who, like, who do you even go to? Do you go to Derek Sprague and Don Ree? and you say, hey, this is, this is the way it's going to be? Or, like, I don't even know what the governance looks like. That's interesting.

Yeah. Well, there's a, so there's a committee, right? There is representation from the PJ of America on it. Like, JT and Spieth are on it. I think Furek is on. I don't know, I don't remember who, who makes up the committee now that makes this decision. I was trying to dig to the bottom of this week of, like, how did Seth Wall land, you know, end up how. Seth Wall didn't just, like, rogly make the decision.

It was his idea, I believe. but had to get approved by the committee before it got extended to Keegan, right? So again, how that structure, like, that was, this was supposed to be resolved by this. This is where the breakdown happened. The whole thing was going to be like after, you know, Tom Watson was going to be, everyone's going to roll through the assistant mold. And they just threw that out the window because it's after Zatch. And do you want me to do my, what you do up does it?

Sal, you want me to do my butterfly effect thing here? Oh, let's do it. We were talking about this. this might go over like a lead balloon i have no idea but we were saying soli and i were getting a kick out of tracing it back how did how did we get in this position okay how did how did kegan bradley become the captain so let's just pause neal welcome to the show neal if you're listening on the podcast you did not see neal just snuck in the back door there great to have you i came in the door kegan bradley kegan bradley was the captain of of this team this week at beth page black

why was he the captain that's all you mentioned on the front he was a hugely popular sympathetic figure after the U.S. got their asses kicked in Rome 16 and a half to 11 and a half wasn't even that close. Captain of that team, of course, was Zach Johnson, vice captains of that team, Steve Stricker, not involved, Davis Love the 3rd, not involved, Fred couples, not involved, Stuart Sink, not involved, Jim Furek involved this week, but a past captain lost in Paris, he wasn't going to be the captain again. So why was ZJ the captain? Why was he the guy? According to Brendan Quinn in the athletic, he was picked because as Davis Love the third said he was a guy that everyone trusts.

This was a great athletic piece about, you know, Zach Johnson's ready for the moment. Always fun to read these like from the days in the lead up before the event starts. There's a quote from Zach Johnson in that same piece. Quote, given the candidates ahead of me an age and I would say clout, I thought there were a couple other guys that would probably be chosen. To be honest, I thought I might be aligned for a president's cup a few years down the road, but not for this.

but Davis Love said he's a guy he was a guy that guys trust and Davis love is an interesting character in this because of course he was the first captain post task force right so you got to think Davis Love has got a lot of a lot of thumb on the scale Randy let's go back to the task force should we this is of course after the beat down in 2014 the idea here is to institute some continuity into the process but also free up these players you know we don't want to we don't want to be too tight we want to be loose we got it we just need a captain who's going to let us do our thing go go revisit some of steve strickers quotes from whistling

straits it was not a lot of strategy stuff it was not a lot of we did this because of this it was like man i'm just trying to kind of get the team room dialed make sure these guys don't have to go to too many dinners and and just get out of the way so those guys crushed it on course set up so they did that's true that yeah uh it's back to the task force uh this was an 11 person task force that was set up here. Five players, three former captains, and three PGA of America officials. Do you know who the co-chairs of the task force were? Not players, not captains. Do you know, Bishop? Very close. We're not there yet, T.C. We are going to get there. Pete of Aqua. Pete of Aqua's one. And Derek Sprague was the other one, who is now the current CEO of

the PGA of America. Very notably, Paul Asinger is not on the task force. Ben Crenshaw, not on the task force. was asked he declined he said i'm not ready to just go sit on some task force i don't i don't know about this so randy why did the task force exist in the first place let's keep going back of course everybody knows this one tom watson phil mickleson all of that stuff uh i'm sorry you took it that way nobody here was involved in any decisions all just an awesome press conference go back and watch it can't watch enough times so why was tom watson the captain in the first place this goes back to your guy, Ted Bishop, TC, the former CEO president, I guess, at the time of the PGA of America. He was, he was famously fired after this Rider Cup for calling Ian Polter,

a quote, little girl on Twitter. Also, a quick note before he left, he was one of the guys involved in awarding this Rider Cup to Bethpage. So that's another just, how did we get here? Early days of Twitter, too. How did we get here moment? And Bishop, in case you thought he was out on an Island. This is from S.I. This was like kind of 10 years after the fact, what happened to Ted Bishop sort of story. Quote. What was really ironic was the Tuesday before the matches, Pete Bavacqua, then the PGA of America's CEO, now the athletic director at T.C.'s beloved Notre Dame, came up and said, quote, if we win, why would we not bring Tom back as the Rider Cup captain again? We could not have a better Rider Cup captain than Tom Watson. You talk about everything flipping. People were critical of Tom and me for making the decision. So very interesting. But why did Ted Bishop make this choice? Tom Watson was the last U.S. captain to win on foreign soil, right? Of course, he won in 1993. There was a lot of talk about 1993 today on the broadcast because that Ryder Cup was very close. It ended 15, 13, much like today. It also had a man in the envelope, as they mentioned. And so that morning, the singles matches come out

it's it's you know discovered that sam torrance can't go i think they said it was toe injury or something and so uh it figures out that lany wakins was uh unable to go okay and so or i'm sorry lany wakins preferred to be the guy the man in the envelope so there's some shifting of the of the singles matches that had to go on and so you know the guy who was supposed to play sam was was another guy who now had to play the guy that uh lany wakins was was supposed to play against that guy was uh jim galliger junior of golf of golf channel And that week, there was an article from Golf World that came out that rated each player's strengths and weaknesses, said that Gallagher had, quote, the heart of a lamb and would be turned into chopped liver by the Europeans. But he went out, won his singles match, a crucial, crucial, crucial point in a 15 to 13 rider cup that made Tom Watson the last U.S. captain to win on foreign soil.

Do you know who he beat in that match? that was uh so bernard gallagher wasn't it oh who do sorry the captain that was the great man sevy he beat the great man sevy oh my god so i tell you this guys why is kegan bradley the captain of this rider cup team because sevy could not be jim galliger junior in 1993 that's that's what i have to say well i was yeah about that you could also go an entirely different route with the butterfly effective i couldn't quite nail this down but tiger was supposed to be an assistant captain to jim furik in Paris. Tiger ends up making the team as a captain's pick and they'd sub in a new assistant

captain. I couldn't quite figure out that was ZJ or not. DJ might have already been an assistant, but that landed him being an assistant up into getting into the presidency, but also just like, if you pull it on the other side, like, oh, Stenson bailing also led to Luke Donald, who's now going to be one known as one of the greatest European captains of all time. That happened because Phil Mickelson started a golf league. and it happened because like the PJ tour took one million dollars out of the match his match prize fund

and he got super pissed about that sort of making up lies about revenue sharing and NFTs a lot of 20 billion dollars of NFTs it it uh you could probably Dean Foods was probably involved there I'm sure there's some gambling stuff that that had to happen before he left for that it just was like I'd say it can go all the back to Tony Jacqueline as well Lord Darby who was who appointed Tony Jacqueline. Whoever made Lord Darby a lord, that probably is pretty important. I don't know who that would have been,

but I think you could trace it all the way back to George Washington if you really wanted to. I thought I was going to a whole other Luke Donald one and trace it back to Sevy as well, but I figure we'll just, we'll just... Is the, is the solution to have Jim Gallagher Jr. be the next captain? I think you've got to square this circle.

You should be on the task force. All the way back. All right, guys, the Earl of... Darby, Lord Darby. It looks like he was appointed by, oh no, that was a much, much older one. Sorry, there's a ton of, there's a ton of Earl of Darby's.

We're going to do that in the second half. We're going to get back to that. That's going to be on Tron's channel. Solly, let's get, let's get back to the week at hand here, shall we? And I think we do that with our serve pro mulligan. I had a feeling that was coming. Serf pro, the number one brand in cleanup and restoration known for making any mess

like it never even happened. Sallie, we're going to give you the stage here. I want to know, you know, you're on record a lot about this Rider Cup. I want to know, what are the, one of the things you just, you didn't see that coming if you could, if you could list those off. I think if you want to do butterfly effect, let's go back to the RV. I regret saying something about a decade of dominance for the U.S. coming up here. That is, that is the biggest regret comment. I think I have still going back in that moment of time, I think was justified.

I didn't see things up playing out this way, but the U.S. was looking far more talented. and I look back at that 2021 team and I wonder what the hell happened to honestly Patrick Cantley, Colin Morikawa, Justin Thomas to a certain extent and just kind of wonder how we got here. I do have to apologize for that one though. Number two, talking myself into the fact

that the home field advantage couldn't be broken. I didn't think you could punt the home field advantage back to the other team, but the U.S. leadership proved that that is possible. I also have to like reverse apologize guys, like, and, and, and say a mulligan I won is, like, all the dunking last night and saying that this wouldn't be close. Somehow I have to, I was not only wrong about who would eventually win it, but wrong about the fact that it wasn't a tough. Yeah, that's tough. I admitted this so

bad in the worst possible way. That's three, number four, doubting team rose for even a second. That was, that was something I like a mulligan on. Morikawa, uh, oh, two, and one. I think he was misused. Uh, I think he's not as bad as people have. made him out to be in this, but 02 and 1 is not the contribution that it was needed, and I'm sure I'll take heat for signing off on that. On site did not pass my eye test. I felt like every time

I saw Colin come through, it was missing a big put in a big moment. I know the stats may say something else, but he was, he was, I felt like the chatter on site was like, this guy's a, he's a little boy. Is he bringing energy or taking

no presence? No, I feel like the fan, I was getting that sense from fans, like God's going to come down to Colin. I heard that today from somebody other than us. Someone other than us in the gallery. Like, oh, God, it's going to come out of Colin. We're screwed. Just real quickly, because, yeah, maybe Colin wasn't put in the best positions,

but if you're good and you want to be good and he's a two-time major champion and, like, sometimes you need to play above coaching and go out and just make some plays. And I think that's where Colin falls woefully short. I don't, like, disagree with you. that, Randy, but it's also just like, imagine if Tommy didn't get to play with, like, you wouldn't say that to Tommy. Like, if Tommy got a really bad, again, this wouldn't happen, but if Tommy got a really bad pairing for foursums and, like, didn't play good enough to overcome that, we wouldn't

like hold that against Tommy. Like, he should have, like, Tommy gets to play with Rory in foursons. And like, Tommy has a skill set that compliments Rory's really well. Morikawa has a really loud iron play tool that should have been through course setup and a pairing used to the benefit of the U.S. and the exact opposite is what happened. I just don't think that's Colin's fault. He is clearly less than his top level of play,

but it was the U.S. leadership's job to get the most out of him in that, and they let him down on that front. So listen, he's a little boy compared to his previous levels of skill 100%, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be properly utilized or utilized better. That's my only defense I'll make a call. Solly, is there any other takes you want to isolate into this flooded, Is that not enough? Oh, my God.

I feel like we're in a nice quarter. I think you need to. You need to apologize. It's like an amnesty box, man. I apologize for Ted Scott. Yeah. Why would I apologize for Ted Scott? I'm going to, you know, you've ridden Tito Francona,

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surfpro com or call one 800 serve pro today randle well i don't know if you want to go here but i thought tc said something interesting and we didn't really touch on it about derby stuff uh like who does who who needs to give a damn first like does this start with Scotty and a guy like JT maybe honestly bright like where if the worm's going to turn for team USA can it come up from the player level does it have to start administratively from the top with somebody at PJ of America like I think that's a really interesting question I'm not sure I have an answer but I would love to see a guy like Scotty you know start expressing how much like put it out there like winning 2027 major personal goal of mine and i'm going to do everything in my power

to put us in a position like i just begin to take some ownership i guess of of this thing but yeah i thought that was i don't have an answer tc but i do think it's a good question yeah it's like the change has to start somewhere or the tone has to be set somewhere because there's different there's different you know like it's not just like hey let's fix it all right cool how you know, there's, there's different roads and routes you can go down to fix it, you know. I think it's going to take a lot, Randy, to earn the trust of the U.S. players that seem to want to kind of take matters into their own hand. And maybe they had to. I mean, two of them had to get the right order in play, obviously, in foursomes.

But like, it's going to take a lot to be able to trust the work that, like, that's the thing with Europe. They put, it's so obvious how much work they've put into it. the stats person. Edwardo Molinari is a player who runs their stats. The U.S. has a a group of nerds like myself that run the stat stuff that are not players and players are not inclined and captains, I think, are not inclined to trust them. So they need a better bridge of the gap between those two things. And they need a person who is just, it can be the symbol and can be the leader and the person that's going to inspire Scotty to be what you're asking him to be, right? I don't think that's something that Scott is going to reach on his own. I don't

that's something Rory has reached on his own. I think that has been a, Rory has been a creation of a European system. Rory is a creation of Sevi. He is a, he's an ancestor of, what's the order of that? He's an ancestor of Sevi or he's a descendant. Descendant of Sevy. That's what exactly what that is.

The great man. Well, we have like this whole lost generation, I guess. Yes, yes. Because the tiger, Phil void. So then who's the captain is the question. Right. So that's the ultimate issue that we're trying to solve for. and yeah i i guess you can look at it two ways like the pj of america could go out and appoint somebody and give them power to be like a rider cup czar but ultimately if the players aren't willing to like be quote unquote coached or if they're not bought in it's not going to matter yeah so you

kind of have a chicken in an egg situation but i would love to just it's at the point now where like some of these american players i'd like to hear you know like hey we're tired of getting our asses kicked like something's got to change have a bit of pride is i guess where i'm looking for on that note randy i i was walking around today and i i just uh i don't this was going to sound like a stray towards tiger but it's interesting to me that it feels like on the european side the rider cup is the pinnacle of like we need to fix this we need to win this this is what matters this is the north star tiger's busy trying to fix the pga tour that seems like a bigger deal on the American side is the tour itself now you could argue that's fair like we're

talking about an exhibition here but i think tiger's absence is a is a is a factory still the biggest magnet in on the American side and the I honestly thought he would be there I'm surprised he wasn't that he didn't show up to at least watch and stand on the first tee and clap and just be the cat and I think that him dapping those guys up on the first tea like that honestly like matters I think. And I feel like I feel bad. I feel like I'm, you know, throwing him under the bus. But like it's time, I think it's time for him to take until he takes the reins and is the Ryder Cup captain, I feel like everybody else is going to feel like they fall short because

there is this lost generation. And it's like you're skipping something. You're skipping like, that's the dude. Like, why doesn't he pick up the torch and like go with it? And I guess he's busy. He's a lot of other shit going on. But I think that's a problem. Whether he has a good reason for that or not, I think that is.

is a problem for the U.S. And I just, I was thinking about that today, walking like on the green mile back from seven green to, you know, the arena at 17. I was like, where the fuck is Tiger, man? You know,

just, truly, like I bet that's what casual fans are asking. Like, why isn't he the captain? This is stupid. This is complete conjecture in my mind. Like, Tiger captain of president's cup team.

He's been assistant captain in the Ryder Cup. I would, I would not surprise me based on the facts that we know that just Tiger has some distrust and lack of loyalty to the PJ of America. lack of sense of like i'm here to serve the and i think there's i's what i say a very valid reason i'm just honestly approaching this as like what would a fan that's walking next to me be thinking sure it's like oh like who should be cat i asked a couple people today i was like who do you think should be captain who they answer phil would be cool or yeah why's tiger

why doesn't tiger do it you know just kind of like a innocent harmless question it's like all this bullshit behind the scenes is preventing the u.s from getting out of its own way i i really believe that i heard an interesting theory today from somebody who uh it's an interesting somebody that knows things that said he would not be surprised if Tiger was the captain in 27 through the means of getting a massive appearance fee from JP McManus to come build the interest for a dare manner who owned JP McManus who owns a dare manner like if he got paid by JP McVanus to be the to be the captain and listen maybe Tiger would be a bad captain maybe he wouldn't listen to the stats guys and and he'd take him paintballing and they'd all

you know, get mad at each other, whatever. I think it's almost like you need to, that's a stepping stone. Yeah, you just, you need to almost get him out of the conversation a little bit. Like you need to flush that out of the system, I think, because he did do a good job with the President's Cup. I mean, they won that one.

I know he played too, but, um, that I just think that's to kind of be an undercurrent until there's like an answer there that he's not involved. It's just weird to me. I think there's also a weirdness. T.C. kind of alluded to this too. I don't think this is exactly, you know, it's not like the Ryder Cups for sale on eBay right now, but if the SSG stuff starts to percolate and the tour starts shaking around, you know,

like if there is a shakeup in who owns some of these properties and SSG slash the PJ Tour becomes a majority owner in the PJ of America and or the Ryder Cup, then maybe all of a sudden that's a different incentive for Tiger. Yeah. But again, that's like, that might not happen for eight years, you know, who knows. but it's kind of I feel like the tour is going to turn the screws.

I mean, they're going to come after this thing because I think there's growing discontent. And like I, you know what? I don't have a problem with that because I think the PGA of America has gotten so greedy around this event

that the tour should, should own it, but the players should own it. You know? What if riddle me this? What if the tour, the players do own it? It's a massive commercial property.

The tour owns the president's cup. What if they sunset the president's cup? and play the Ryder Cup every year. I just don't like that. I don't think that's, it's just cheap. Ignore that. Ignore all that. This thing's for money now.

This is an investment for this for-profit entity. You get to have this event every other year. You get to have it on home soil every two years instead of every four years. What did the shark say? Finally, golf has been turned into an asset class. It's all I wake me up when the rider comes turn to do an asset class, man. That's all. Oh, we are there, brother.

That's all out of here. Who else, like, who are the other legitimate candidates over the next decade to be? I would have said Heather McMahon, but she resigned in disgrace this week after the first team. I mean, like, is Matt Coucher is probably on the short list? Like, Matt Coole or the other, Snetiker, um, Gary Woodland, I'm just going off like the vice captains. Brendan Steele. Webb's got to be up there as well. The fact that Brendan Steele was hanging out like the U.S.

he's got to be up there. Where did you see Brennan Steele this week? I saw him in a cart on 16T yesterday. I was like, that looks like Brennan Steele. And I saw his badge. I was like, that is Brennan Steele. So you're going to John Kern and Brennan Steel out there. I saw Jamie Love Mark was out there too, being a car driver.

Glove Mark. There is a bit of a lost generation. I think that, you know, then you think, like, who else on the, who's on the live side, right? You got Phil, you got Bubba. Brooks is not quite there yet. I'm just, I'm calling out names of like this generation that's a bit that's lost because there's all the ones on the Euro side.

Who am I missing there? Kevin Nah. Charles Howell. Charles Howell? Kevin Nah. I'm calling out live guys. It's no bad ideas. I'm just throwing him out there.

DJ? I mean, DJ is captain? Yeah. DJ. Sick would that be? Danny Lee? Who's the American citizen? They haven't announced.

Who's a President's Cup captain next year? I thought he was going to be Snedeker I have no idea I think he was like the odds on dude to be President's Cup captain I don't know Randy I want to move back to back to the X's nose

of this week a little bit talk some grades you know everybody was very very very taken with A your rankings your proprietary models about who you're rooting for those are private

I think your great man index which I certainly want to poke through as we go through this list. And so I think you're the only one of us that's worked in any kind of educational system. So you seem like a natural starting point to be the proctor of the exam this week and try to dishing out some grades. Sure. All right. A question for the group. Are we grading the United States alongside of Team Europe or is Team Europe kind of graded in their own cohort and the U.S. graded in their own cohort.

I think it should be a holistic. They're all taking the same test. Okay. Also, we forgot P earlier as U.S. guys in this lost generation. And Lady J. In Spieth. I've always graded people up against, like, their expectation of what they're expected to deliver for their team.

I don't know if that throws off anybody else's system, but, like, you know. Well, let's dive into it. Do you want to throw out names? Sure. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Absolutely. And if anybody vociferously disagrees, please go through to make a hell of a lot of noise.

We got to start with the captain, I think. The two-time winning captain on the European side, Luke Donald. Listen, A, I don't, A plus, I don't know what else you can. The guys love him. They play for him. He's got all his eyes and T's and J's dotted and crossed, like super prepared, ooze is common. confidence, not sure what else you can possibly ask for him.

Anybody disagree? Anybody want to take some shots? I would say, I agree with all that, a little boring, you know? Because he's like, not a content king. Not a content king. So if I'm going to, if I'm going to knock him for anything, it's like that he's just a, he's kind of. That's not in my rubric, but that appears to be. Fair enough.

Okay. Well, no, that's fine. Okay. Top point score for the week, 4-1 and O, Tommy Fleetwood. I think Tommy gets an A. I said Friday, he's a great man in the Ryder Cup. He's legitimately just nails. He's up until he did win on the PD.

Like, he just turns into a different guy. And I think more than that, his personality, I think, yeah, I think it's a solid A. Do you want to revisit anything he said earlier in the week as well? Well, he was a zero on my likability score. That's tough. that's nothing personal i just i i will stand by that but we are looking into those inherently yeah uh i mean randy he won the he won the he won the nicholas jackland award presented by aon listen he's got a chance to be a point five or even a full pointer come

he's now on randy's radar what does he do to like more likable to you um i don't think it's anything tommy can do it's probably just i i i think it's think I just need to get over all those predictions and the Tommy and something he can do you're I think that's right it's not sorry it's not part of Tommy all the close calls and all the losing spectacularly and humility through all of it and Randy for the if it pleases the court who's your favorite golfer of all time Mr. Phil Mickelson yeah no further question I had one thing on Tommy I just want to give Ian Finnis a shout out I rewatched the video from 15 to 16 from yesterday day the kerfuffle he is the dude

Ted Scott was up like he popped into me he shoved me they're all talking to Finis because they're scared of him they're like Finno man don't you got to understand man he's walking up to everybody nobody can understand him he's like let's play golf let's play golf you know and he's just regulating he's regulating the situation and having him with Tommy they're the perfect pair and I just want him to get all the love that he deserves what did you think about the the the apology video today the fact that i didn't see that what had made oh francesco molanari apologize for like ted like no no that's not that's not fair

i don't i missed all of it sounded like patrick reed over there oh not fair uh i'm in on instagram i'm a big j ted scott i'm a big j ted scott fan i love following about instagram i've always i'm always checking he's a good follow him he he first thing i saw i think when i what i woke up this morning. I kind of, you know, a cup of coffee popped over, pop up in the gram. And he's standing there with little, little Frankie Molinarri, just towering over him. And just he's saying, you know what? Kind of Tiger got out of the cage yesterday. I was, I was leading. I was, I was leading with the evil in my heart. This is a,

he said, quote, this is a great man right here next to me. And I should not have acted the way that I did. And that was cleared up by the, you know, and I encourage you guys all to, to learn from this. And I'm, I'm very sorry. He did not make Molinari apologize. He's there. As a show, it's all good.

He looked like the, there will be blood. I will say, I just saw it in Carter H.W. stated next to me. I have ended my boy. Ted Scott's Instagram profile there that Cody just flashed up. He does have pickleballer listed on his

Instagram profile. That is really tough. Listen, I think J. Ted Scott, yeah, he let the. urge out a bit yesterday he works really hard to keep those urges in and it just yeah that the tiger got out all that to say i just again i want this to come back to finno like he was the truly when

shit was popping off everyone was like no i want that guy on my side like ted scott immediately was like no finno he shoved me he shouldn't touch me finno he should not be touching me and i hate seeing sally's guy gbo get caught up in this too oh he looks so mortified they had a camera right next to him at the end and he looked like the uh the elmo uh gift like just like eyes that the monkey me yeah the monkey yeah the eyes like oh god i can't believe what i just did all right we got i just watched it a bunch and i cannot believe that ted scott reacted the way that he did i believe we covered that last night i think we're ready for the grades back on the grades can't pull over it especially off two apology videos tc can't pull over anymore moving on the teachers losing

control of the class here McElroy, three one and one. He's getting shouted the worst things you've ever heard in your entire life, be shouted at another human being and still plays great golf, telling the crowd to fuck off and then hitting it to two feet, great in the press conference.

I'm sorry, Rayne. I'm leading the witness here, but I hope we're hearing something good for our guy. Here, you know, clip this for posterity. I think it's an A plus week for Roy McElroy. He's got my highest player grade. He's under

the most scrutiny. He was the subject of a ton of verbal abuse. I mean, this goes back. This started in 2023 at the press conference. That's when we began grading Rory McElroy. And for him to come through three one and one, playing all five, massive respect for Rory. He's alive and well, huh, Randy? Yes. I think I'll be shocked if, like, I think this took something out of Rory. Like deep in the reservoir. And I think do you envision him having any sort of trouble getting up for anything for a while now after this? Because this year, it's like, like he said, he's like, I accomplished my golf goal to win the Grand Slam. You know, he wants to win more majors.

He accomplished this was the biggest team goal to win, like to win an away Rider Cup. At some point, is Roy going to cold storage for the next six months? can I I hope he does honestly he seemed a little you know chip on his shoulder lately I hope he gets what like I hope he is in a great mood the next six months and if he doesn't want to play golf then don't fucking play golf man like he's earned it he's signed up for a lot of national opens signed up to the india event well you know whatever he wants to do he's earned it that's all I was so impressed in person with just grown man shit from Rory um he He kind of, you know, he brings it on because he engages with the crowd. But the shit that it gets tossed his way and exclusively his way is really something, man. It's exponentially worse than anybody else on the Euro side. Like he's just, he's the needle, period point blank. Scott, he's the best player in golf, you could argue.

But Rory is the man in golf. And that, that was very, became so clear to me with this kind of casual, I'm going to pop into this big rider cup experience kind of crowd. I mean, Rory was the needle, period. And honestly, some of the things that were shouted at him, I do not feel comfortable like repeating on the podcast. Like, truly sick. What if they're recorded? Like some of them may be like sick stuff of like rooting for horrible outcomes

for other family members of his, like yelling at him. And it was uncomfortable. And he honestly handled it about as well as he possibly could have about all of his outbursts at the crowd, even turning and yelling, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, to three people at one point. Super justified, honestly. So I'm agreeing with a plus.

I will say. And I'll say this to, sorry. I was just going to say like you can, I think this is something that Rory has over pretty much all of his contemporary peers. Like Tiger doesn't have something like this on his resume. Phil, you know, like this,

this is something almost unique to Rory. 10, 12, 14. 18, is this a sixth winning team? Shees. Six and two. Tiger's been on what? Two? Two.

One. He was only on one. 1999. Only winning team was over part. Sorry. One more thing. Oh my gosh. Yeah, dude.

You wanted to be captain? Cook, Randy. I just want to, well, I at least want to get the question answered. These guys, you know, we hear a lot about, you know, golfers. They're just like pro athletes, whatever. Like, like, Rory, the way he handled a true road environment and rose to the occasion this week. this is the shit that like true sportsmen are defined by and judged on and that's why I'm like I am so impressed with Rory honestly like this is probably the most impressive to me of anything

he's done and you won't hear me say a bad word about anything I massive respect for Rory I think he he understands what like the greats in other sports especially team sports go through after this week and again i just don't think that's something his peers know a thing about really god that's well said uh all right moving on this test is starting to starting to time out uh three and two the butcher john rom yeah listen great man a minus maybe if he if he scratches out another half point today but i just a complete tone setter and just a bear of a man in this competition yeah he was a bit of a boo he was the buoy for the team though i think he he you know he carried hadn't had yeah he kind of held the front line for him and then he got god at the end

but a truly crippling chip in as well that was that chip in the victor par save on 17 yesterday there are a couple just backbreaking suffocating moments uh and and rom is usually kind of at the center of those his partner you mentioned him three oh and one this week tyrell hatton super impressed i mean we're we're just we're this is the top of the class i i think tyrell is i i put him right there on the rom line i'm not comfortable putting him out on the a line with tommy so i'm going to give tyrol an a minus as well i was really glad he made colin put that put at the very end yeah just brought me some joy i'm going to throw my my only my my first challenge flag on the strokes gain side of he has a beautiful three o and one

record played a great role as the B player in a lot of those matches stepped in when Victor had to pull out as well like that's there's I'm not I'm not going to sneer at that but he was negative very close but negative strokes gain on the on the week as a whole uh was probably not planning on playing I guess he played only played four matches I was thinking he played five but uh you know not quite three on one record in large part because he had a great man as a partner so I'm gonna just gonna just I'm gonna I would bump him down a little bit personal uh matt fitzpatrick two one and one for the week wasn't quite sure what his role was going to be was he one in six one and seven two and seven coming in uh coming in i think it was

one and seven i think one and seven coming in yeah uh randy matt fitzpatrick i'll say a b plus uh we got a deduct giving away a five up lead today to bison um he played four matches if he If he doesn't get that half, how different does the rest of the day look? And listen, this is like, do I put him on that A minus line? I don't think he's quite there, so I think I got to put him on the B plus line for me. Big step forward, though, for him. Yeah. And probably like other second the last guy in after Rashman's.

I mean, it didn't feel like Fitzpatrick felt like he was bubble man for a long time there. He wrote him off by the middle, like in one of the round tables. I wrote him off middle of the middle and that. I said like he played his way back on like I think they they challenged him and he and he definitely answered the bell and he's been playing really good golf for the last three or four months. Randy fourth in strokes game overall for the week for the entire field, Matt Fitzpatrick. So I could even have an argument for a higher grade for him. Like awesome golf like really really, really good golf. One of the few guys against like some of their best players.

Yeah. One of the few guys that was ahead of him in strokes games this week. Totally. man, Justin Rose, 2, 1, and O. I want to know two questions, Randy. What's his grade for the week? And is he the fourth great man on Team Europe? Will you officially declare that?

I'm getting a lot of, lot of questions. Randy, surely, Mr. Rose, he has to be a great man. This is a great man, right, Randy? I, it's incredible what I think of Justin Rose now compared to what I thought of him. five, six years ago. It's incredible. I'm willing to give him, just by virtue of his whole year, so gracious after the master's disappointment. I'm given Justin Rose great man status. I'm comfortable going there. I think he's one of the absolute lions of Team Europe. I think this week was really good for him. Listen, only played three matches, lost his singles

match today to a hot cam young so i'm putting him on that you know again if it's patrick's a b plus i'm i'm giving rose a b for the week oh i thought you go higher than that you know behind the scenes are being there rose he gets shouted out everywhere and he just has he's he's so charismatic he turns and flashes those pearly whites just chuffed it and he just he just eats it up man he loves the spotlight and and when you see somebody in their element like that it's it's uh it kind of it you know randy at me too boomerangs you on the guy you're like man he was just made for this shit it's incredible honestly he does get some extra credit for uh for telling bow dine to fuck off so that might be that might push him up to a b plus and walking in that blood from eight

feet yeah yeah i still wonder if he if he thought that was in like immediately if he if he if he knew that one was that was such an early anyways i'm not willing to i'm not willing to punt on the what i think of that moment okay in my guy team rose i think he knew it was in the whole how are the boards dege are they popping off yeah servers crashed servers crashed and well they switched to a membership model so a lot of people are pissed off about that put it behind the paywall yeah it's just not the same as it used to be wow man we know a lot of the good guys have left they talk on discord now uh randy going down the list one oh and two but he takes away in his suitcase the clinching point the big big man Shane Lowry um yeah an important an important half point um read carefully based on this

photo that Cody's I know I think listen I think he's a B minus if you're just looking at the results in the play um he's probably got some intangibles if you want to bump him up a little bit intangely rich you're prerogative um but i i think he's a solid b player i think especially once you consider the expectations going in as well i mean i think he you know the form hasn't been great this year all of that and he you know he rose to the occasion and i'll say this he and russ were the two best golfers on the course today like he needed to go toe to toe and And granted, they ended up getting to 15, but that point sure felt really, really, really important. He literally needed to match, you need to put in the performance of the day to do it,

like to clinch the cup, like that, that almost like, that replaces any, any income. And you missed an assignment early in the year. Like, you get, you got the extra credit, man. You get, you get, you get straight to. And I'm not the biggest, you know, Lowry fan, but to hear somebody say, I just accomplished the coolest thing I'm ever going to do in my life. Like, I, to rise into the occasion. And then just yesterday, like intangibly rich is right.

I mean, Roy was leaning on them all day. Truly just, it speaks to, again, team Europe. They pair in the right guys together with like Lowry and Hatton, both playing a really good B role. I think Scep Straca did that as well on day one. Just I don't need to do much, but there's going to be a few moments and they almost realized those moments and they hit those big putts when they absolutely needed to. And just watching Lowry, I mean, just. kind of regulate for Rory and just, just, he did not leave his side. Roy went to the bathroom on 12 yesterday.

Lowry waited for him to come out of the bathroom, walk down the fairway with him. Wipe his ass for him. I mean, basically, like, I mean, but there's something to be said for that. Like, that's not the case on the U.S. side. Those guys are walking on their own down the fairway half the time. You guys see that clip of Scotty having to, having to, like, ask Bryson for, Scotty birdie the first hole yesterday. And Bryson got down to, like, hit his put before he even congratulate at Scotty.

and like Scott had like wait for Bryce and like fist bump him on his own made shot and like he looked over at Ted Scott of like what the fuck is up with this guy from the jump like yeah they're super close though the team is super super super close the closest team we've ever had they keep telling me that yeah we didn't even it wasn't even worth last night spending time on how stupid it was to pair those two together when you were down by that many points like also that might have played a factor in the final result holy shit anyways please uh all right we've reached kind of the bottom of the team No, no shade at anybody, but we'll move through these guys. One, one and one, big shot, Bob. Yeah, like, listen, C plus for Bob. I, you know, I'm not sure I have anything, like, noteworthy for the rest of the crew here. I do, I will give Ludwig. I think Ludwig winning his singles match,

obviously was very important. Uh, I think Ludwig is, I think they've tapped Ludwig as, I'm trying to think of this. I just showed you all the stats. Yeah, but Ludwig. Lovevig's kind of like, you can tell, I think they're grooming him to be the next great man. If there's like another great man coming, it feels like it's in the academy. Yeah, pre-approved.

That's exactly right. Yeah, I think Big Shop, he's a lot of pre-approval treatment. It's a scholarship that they're, I think Big Shot Bob, I expected more of Big Shot Bob this week. And he tried to, he tried to bottle it today as well. I mean, you know, what's, what's his name? McGillie. I was so happy for you, TC when I heard that. McGilley was awesome, by the way. That's what I was

looking for. He kind of lost his marvels for a little yesterday. Yeah, but I don't know. I thought it was great. Why? What happened? He was on the broadcast today and he's like he just hits this point where it's like fever pitch. They haven't gone to commercial in 75 minutes and he's just going off and he's like

good right now. It's the moment. It's all about metal. It's all about bottle. It's all about all. And I just texted tc immediately just like t's all the fucking bottle right now man this is what we've been waiting for it was so good so good but gillie was it was great it's about the boys and the bottle and the badge the badge the boys uh who's left we've got sep straca uh one two and oh for the week i don't i mean you said it age after the the the presser and i you know i think

glad it's like finally out there now like his like his wife gave birth like wildly prematurely to their son and like his son's been in the hospital for the last couple of months and i think it's cool that like they that they brought him on the team even that they picked him throughout all that and you know it's probably been the toughest two months of his life but also hey he probably slept better this week than he has in a while um but just you know just the fact that hey you know what like this guy's this guy's part of the squad we're not we're not bail on him um because you know because the situation isn't right or because you know the timing isn't right like he's he's earned his place here and you know i think he did his job i don't think that they were eating him to be a world

beter but i think that he went out and he played you know played hard three matches and like that's what they needed right made a shitload of putts that's what i was going to say the way i thought about calling missing every time i saw him come through oh he missed the put it was like step was the opposite it's like i made another one you know and i think tc you're right on the the personal stuff is i mean the stars are stars for a reason and they get put under a bigger microscope and when rory's got something personal going on it's it's at the forefront and you know he's dealing with it and he he gets credit for dealing with it or he gets shit for dealing with it or all of that and there's just you know there's 155 other guys on tour that are going through stuff all

the time and step's a perfect example of like that just it really hit me in the press conference today when like the teammates kind of all riling and you know rallying around him and riling him up and he's out there all week and screamed at by people probably he's got a newborn kid in the hospital and it's just like yeah about more than golf sometimes I guess is the takeaway yeah he was catching some fat jokes some septics some uh you know hair loss jokes you know it's just kind of like yeah it's tough yeah and randy what did you say you want to give him a minus is that what you said no no no no i i think i think see yeah you know you missed some class for for personal reasons i will say use that he's the type of guy that as a teacher you love to have

you can see the effort i i am like true respect for he he hit the ball like the worst out of anybody this week and lead and strokes gained putting like kudos to him for for doing that And last guy, Rasmus Hoygard on the European. You didn't do Vic either. Oh, sorry, we didn't do Vic. Yeah, I'll do Vic first. Vic. I don't know.

I don't know. One, one is it a incomplete. I almost like both of them getting incomplete. I feel like Rasmus just didn't really. Rasmus. They're getting shut out. I feel like Rasmus might have been on a pass-fail plan and we might need you to retake the class. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's right.

Do we want to do the envelope stuff now? Sure. Take a quick pause. Victor Hovlin, of course, unable to go in singles. You've heard us talk about this a million times. And I think it leads into our next segment as well. But, you know, the U.S. has to put a name in the envelope of a guy that is going to get scratched from singles. And they're going to share that point. Each team gets a half point today. That was Harris English, who did not go for the U.S. whoever wants to go first. I know Keegan spoke very clearly about this, the rule. needs to change. I thought Luke Donald spoke very clearly about this. This has been a rule since 1971 or whatever it was. The U.S. has benefited from it more than we have. I also just as a flexed love that Luke not only rattled off all the years that it happened, but all the people that couldn't go during those. He was just flexing Rider Cup history on everybody, which again, attention to details. I thought that was a small but important moment. Solie, they need to change this rule. What do you think? Well, I don't know what you change it to, but I think it,

something to be like kegan this was misconstrued almost immediately the kegan did not at any point blame the final results on this happening right he that was not what king the rule needs to change going forward road needs to change going forward for the next rider cup one because i he what kegan had to do was take a guy that automatically qualified for this team and like tell him like i've selected you to not play today out of the 12 guys like that's just sucks to have to do and i get you have to do that even if the other guy, you know, has to withdraw, but, like, it just, the examples that Luke cited, when, when that happened in, in, uh, at Kiowa in 91, it was eight to eight. So then it just, the score slid to eight and a half, eight and a half, right?

It was not the same effect on the potential outcome as when you only needed two and a half points to clinch, you got a half point to start the day. And no one, a single person is questioning whether or not, you know, Victor should, that he wasn't hurt or that there was any shenanigans of any kind there are a lot of people questioning it on i'm sure but like that for here we're not doing that that's not that's not we're doing that's not what team usa is doing you just don't do that tc but in this situation it was especially like dude i just again i don't know if you rewrite to say if you're up if you have that guy that pulls out like you lose the full point but that would it was it was

it played into europe's hands to be able to get a free half point today and it almost really mattered and it might have mattered like who knows how those final points shake out if those matches you know if there were if it was still up in the air and i think it is just a it's always just going to be controversial when this does happen i don't have an easy solution in the solheim cup the rule is if you have to pull out you concede the point and does that mean somebody tries to gut it out and potentially hurts themselves more maybe that i don't think that's the outcome anybody's rooting for but this didn't feel good again i'm not that's not saying shenanigans it just like didn't feel good that europe got to a free half point out of it when they couldn't scrape any points out today. It just left everybody with the end of the U.S. also got a free half point out of it too. I was going to say beginning of the day, I would, that wasn't a good trade.

That's not a good trade. The U.S., they're going to get a half point at least. Yeah. Solly, I do think that maybe the captain should step in. Maybe L.D. should have played today. I, here's what I had not heard that idea. Now we're like, all right, like you want, like it's going to put a lot more stress on your team and you're going to you're going to have to make a sacrifice here and you're not prepared

but like cool like you know what like you're the only guy that can step in for him i wasn't joking rather that it come down to the half point if they would have tied either a chip or put off between uh harrison hovlin for it like you couldn't it that'd have been the if they would have retained via the envelope today in the u s a match at a shadow creek would have been the one of the best and worst results for content it was the best for content the worst result ever for this writer cup that would have been so bad i was adamant i was i overheard bryson policy ramifications yeah bryson was over there like this will have it i overheard him saying like this will have an asterisk if they do not get to 14 and a half like

if they if they if they retain this based on this vick thing he was like there was a buzz around that around the green and i'm i'm honestly glad they got to 15 because can i also text thread a bunch of buddies half don't play golf half sort of play golf it's like to a casual fan it's so stupid like wait a second so they just give them a half point for and then if they tie they get to keep the cup like all of this stuff is kind of it doesn't really add up to people that aren't lost in the sauce like we are um but to your point I don't know how you fix it you might as well just stick with just stick with it it is what it is I think so I don't think you change it I think keep it I kind of agree it hasn't happened since whatever I said

1993 for all the people where like they need to bring an alternate they need to have somebody else there who's ready to go like that seems a little dramatic and drastic to me as well but the i don't know it's like the the reasons it exists is because it's an exhibition you don't want if victors hurt you don't want him to like i don't know either it matters or it doesn't i get that but like you don't want him pushing himself potentially risking further injury to play instead of giving up the the full point i don't know it's just i think there's a disconnect between what the fans probably want and what the players probably want on this

and I think the players are probably going to win out. Or just the original spirit of what this competition. Right. Yeah. It also like just isn't going to sit well with a lot of people that the last we saw of Vic was draining the putt on 17 and letting loose a massive celebration and fist pump. And then a whole later he's out injured.

Like I just was never going to sit well with people overall the way all that unfolded. Again, I am not accusing anyone of any shenanigans. I'm hurt more than. anyone like I if you're hurt you're hurt like I I get all that I hate are you hurt or you injured yeah but it it and again at the beginning of the day to this comeback didn't even seem remotely possible like I didn't I was more bum for Harris than anything like that just is kind of an ultimate humiliation you think he was the right guy in the envelope no I mean I think

that the that was the question I had I was like I thought it should be calling honestly I think the course set up neutralized a lot of what Harris does well, too, but I think, yeah, I think it should have been calling, no-brainer. Well, listen, I, I, we lucked into this because we've, we've kind of done this takes in the envelope game and I was like, I'm nobody's going to know what this is. And like, the takes in the envelope game has never been more relevant than it, that it has been, uh, this week. And this week, uh, the takes in the envelope, we're changing it a little bit. We've, we've done, uh, the Yeti's coldest moment in the past. We're changing it to the

Yeti takes in the envelope because we put all those takes in an envelope. Because a lot of them were cold. A lot of them were really cold. A lot of them were really hot. We put them in that Yeti cooler or Rambler or Tumblr and they just stayed cold. They stayed hot all week. Match integrity, Dej. These were takes that all of us, none of us have seen that all of us had.

We sent them to Cody on Thursday night. And Cody, I think if you want to pop in here, we can. Cody held them in escrow. Cody's held them in escrow. Cody's got all. kinds of Yeti product that he's keeping these things stored in down there in Texas. Who you want to start with? Well, I'm going to start with Mr. Ryder Cup himself, Sully Sullivan.

You knew you were going to pick me. I knew you got to call me. Famously, the last time we did it, I of course misspelled or used the wrong peak. You know, I went with this peak instead of an actual peak. But this is where we're at. All right, Sully, do you want me to read them for you? I'll suffer the humiliation. That's fine. I said, day one, foursomes go two and two, but U.S. wins four ball three to one.

That didn't happen. We can, we can, we can, surely that's the worst one of all of them. SEP and Shane combined for one point total. This was not as far off as a bold, as a bold call. They had three points. That's respectful. Yeah, three points. And honestly, I mean, Shane got more points than one point just by himself.

Yeah, but it was, it was close to. not going that way. They were, I don't that was a bold call. I don't regret that one. It actually wasn't, yeah, it actually wasn't that close. Now that I've looked at it. It was really close. It was really close. So that's 0 for two. J.J. Spahn goes two, oh, and one. He went

two and one. I'm pretty close. I'm going to fly the flag on that one. Yeah, that's pretty good. No, you don't get to fly the flag. Yeah, that's wrong. That's what I would have like to have seen a little bit more of spawn. one more session he had a tool yeah he would have made a lot of sense he also carried zander around a little bit

in that winning match just just saying the um losing with scotty sheffler was tough but also scottie was not really um scottie that we were expecting at friday football so really close on that one all right well listen those weren't is you were you were pretty humiliated earlier he said these were going to be just horrible

takes that wasn't that bad wasn't that bad on my scale of humiliation, which is pretty, it could be... I feel like some of those takes could be in the danger zone. It seems like they're not cold enough and they're not hot enough. There could be some bacteria on them. Well, let's keep it in New York. Okay, Neeler. Yeah, tough scene for me.

Well, I had Bryson throws on a bag of hat. Which is what we're talking about, though. God, I didn't get to this take. In the afternoon four ball, I thought I was pretty close. Kind of walked hand in the hand with DT to the first tee. I thought for sure we were going to see about. maga had come out of the bag which listen you know that would have been that would have been content uh so i missed on that one cody uh ludwig and victor end up losing with a losing record in the 2025

rider cup uh how how'd i do they were both even records one one and one for two and two for ludwig okay so we don't know what's going to happen at a three half today you know both negative strokes gained uh if if to help support that i think is yeah i just kind of thought these guys were coming in on name only and uh i think you weren't far off my theme was my my thesis was correct there yeah it's talk about not being far off i'm going to ring the bell for this one neal yes sir cam young top u.s rookie i knew cam was gonna ball out i knew it i and i thought god he's so easy to pair with a bunch of different guys he is just a swiss army knife for team usa and what a what a put on 18 camp bawled out man and and the crowds loved him uh it was almost like he gave him

them nothing in the lead-up all week. And then if you perform for a New York crowd, they will love you. Randy, you know this. They will love you. You just got you if you produce forever. And so I think he's, that was a big week for Cam.

What a sick moment on 18 too. I asked, I asked for three, but of course, you know, the shoesters. No, this was before you. Yeah. Oh, excuse me.

Anyway, go ahead. Well, I told you to pick three of the, whatever you wanted to pick, but you put up ball four. I said Shane Lowry has an incident with a fan and then call security to get that fan ejected. This happened like seven times. Yeah, fly the flag. So fly the fucking banner

on this one. But, Randy, we didn't have a capital S situation. You're exactly right, T.C. There was no capital S situation this week. Yeah, I think pretty good, pretty good showing. Yeah, well done. Let's move on to the big guy.

Randall. Okay. I kind of forget what these are. My first one was the first T atmosphere Friday morning is noticeably diminished from what we'd expect and hope for logistical nightmare becomes a big storyline. I said shout out the Solheim Cup hit at RTJ. Neil and Saul, you guys tell me.

First sentence, dub. I don't think it was logistics that caused it. Well, there was a transformer that blew up and a telephone pole fell down. So that was kind of a wild card. There was some really, really bad lines to get into the venue on Friday. And then the Secret Service was there.

It's just a lot, a lot coming at the tournament, you know, the PGA of America. I'm not, I wouldn't even pin that on the PGA of America. It was some bad luck there. Randy, they were checking wallets. I would call this a win, though, Randy. I think in the spirit of Randy, I'd call this a half is what I think. I have because I was thinking there would be some self-inflicted goals from the PGA of America. You over-explained it.

You had it. You had it with the first half. I'm not going to like it. I don't think they really messed that up other than Heather McMahon. they didn't mess this up sure number two randy uh number two not good benny bombs enjoys a coming out party for american golf fans his energy swaggering confidence are infectious to the crowds and his teammates he goes three and one this week uh narrator he did not could have put cam young in right there and you didn't nail that twice yeah only guy on the u.s team

then he was not quite twice other than other than hie who didn't play singles uh this one doesn't God, I was really descriptive with these. The U.S. team wins an emotionally wrenching cup on Sunday evening, just as Captain Keegan and Bryson have managed to piss off all of Europe. Euro scribes are losing their minds because of the boorish behavior on display. Captain Donald and his fellas give us some spicy quotes, too. I feel like we're kind of maybe sniffing around on this for a little bit, but, yeah. Just the first leg of the parlay there, unfortunately.

Yeah. I loved some of the Uro Scribes talking about the police dogs. I kept referencing the police dogs, the final presser. I like it, Randy. These are big swings. Yeah, but I keep, yeah, I could have been like, you know, JJ Spong goes 2.0 and 1 this week. You literally put Benny Boops goes 3 and 1.

That was one of your takes. And he was talking about his energy and his swagger. Yeah, I'll just give you shit. Probably swagger. All right, D. Let's go with you next. First one, the bright. Jason J.T. Paring blows up on the launch pad.

Rom and Hatton win three and two. I was so close. They won four and three. Oh, my God. Fly the banner on that one. Yeah, I feel like that was pretty good. My second one, Neil, I think we got all whipped up about how much we like Russell Henley. Yeah, and how he didn't feel like a rookie. I know.

I said Russell. Russell Henley is the only unbeaten rookie. That was not accurate. That was not true. And number three. thing on on russell henley today that shot he hit out of the bunker so 218 he's one of the best shots of the week just can't be leaving that put short he'll have to putt short in the one before that yeah i felt so good about number three midway through this day as well ludwig oberg scores

the winning point for europe we were we were close to that if bryson didn't flip that match we would have been we would have been there that would have been uh it would have been a good week in the envelope slash the Yeti for me. But we'll take it. We'll take it. A nice performance. Yeah, very nice. Hi, Mr. T.C.

Yeah. Listen, this was before I was told we needed three. I just thought we needed a bunch of takes. So I sent over a bunch of takes. You said more than three? No way. T.C. had one of those 11 by 14 envelopes, pat it in envelopes, sign on delivery.

The magic is gone for the pat and the hat. He struggles, the swing is off, and the putter doesn't heat up. He went one, three, and one. I think it's in five matches. I think it's a dub. Negative strokes game putting. I think that's a dub. Yeah, and I think he's, I don't know,

there's just, this game just doesn't seem to be trending in a great direction. So, number two, Tommy plays like the absolute lion that he is. This is T.C.'s greatest hits. Now, that's what I call hits, volumes. seven from tc Tommy could have gone oh and four and tc still would have claimed like a lion he didn't get off this pot

you can turn off this pod down it's all takes you've heard from tc he's truly one all right guys unfortunately this this one is accurate tc you do got to hand it to tc he's earned this one last credit tc all right number three j j spahn plays well friday and ends up earning two point five points

in a losing effort uh j jj spawn got two points he went two and one so did he play well Friday though he played better just Saturday right not play great Friday yeah yeah so you lose this one TC sorry I think I

he's got his head more yeah yeah I know I have four more this is when I lost control at TC so here are the rest of your oh my god all right I said the NBC broadcast improves over the abysmal performance in Rome while the commercial load is heavy

production quality in quote give a shit are much better I think that's an L I think it was a failure Wow Whoa Number five An injury becomes a major story

Not sure who But someone will be in doubt for God TC this is so broad Not sure who But something might happen Broad and beyond the three takes They're like fortune cookies Six

SEP plays well astonishing the doubters I don't know that's like a half these suck these are so broad set plays well yeah like Neil said Bryce was going to put a MAGA hat

on on Friday specifically lastly this was right along the same lines as Randy the security measures on Friday morning cause massive weights and while the first tee eventually fills up

before the opening drives lines and wait time stretch over three hours and make the Solheim Cup shuttle fiasco with quaint we're fishing in the same pond yeah yeah yeah uh i gosh a lot to take in there tc is that it are we sure is that all of them i think i think so i think that's it that is all of them of course thank you to yeti you can find their complete product line at yeti dot com uh randy should we whip through some u.s grades real quick yeah we don't have to hit

everybody but if you want to hit some of the bigger one hit the highlight let's hit everybody Come on, Randy. All right. You want to start at the top, the bottom? Which, Randy, before we start, is there a great man on the U.S. side? Is there a single great name? I was going to nominate him. No, because we can't be a great man and training.

I apologize. He, I think, is the first student through the door to take this test. Well, we start with the captain, though, right? Oh, you're right. God, sorry, I'm all over the place. Captain Bradley. Yeah, this is an interesting one because I do. do respect Keegan's words, especially today. He took total ownership. I do have respect for

that. Some self-inflicted wounds there with the setup. So I think overall, you know, obviously will he pick himself? Will he not? Like if we're judging the whole body of work, I'm giving Keegan a D plus. I'm going to see flat Mendoza line offsets the the poor strategy with the give a shit attitude candid responses taking it on the chin today a lot of people texting me again casual fans like i really kegan seems a great like a great guy like a great captain i'm like do you do you want a coach though that's going to win the press conference after losses or i think about that Colin harris combo two days the the the setup like i think there's much more strikes me as a I need to pass his test to stay to stay in school and I clearly did not

pass it but I'm going to talk my way into and honestly I don't even think great because Neil I'm with you I'm like man I like him man I wonder if you gave him another shot in two years would he learn from his mistakes that's what I'm really really really curious he certainly does seem like he will take some he he will he's self-critical it I don't know though if he's not listening to the data boys if he's going on on, you know, feel and gut, and that's tough. But what do you learn from his mistakes in two years is a big question for me? Because I do like how he cares.

I think they fooled him on some of the, some of the pairings they sent out or some of the guys they sent out. I think also, like, if you send him him over to Adair Manor, put him in the DP World Tour and Dodo's little fun house over there, he's going to get, he's going to get pummeled. yeah i mean again i it's like somebody signed up somebody for an ap class from a dare coming in okay i can't give him an f though because zj would get an f you know what i mean so it's like he's got to be above that so randy has not have to be above that he lost a home rider company he lost it in like the worst fashion you could have i think z j might be one of the low-key winners this yeah totally completely fucking up the setup the parents all of it i i i still am steadfast he shouldn't like the biggest problem was putting him in this spot

he's a current active player that is focused on his own career and he shouldn't have taken it if he wasn't going to be fully focused on it in the way that we've pointed out month after month after week after week on this podcast this entire summer like he may shouldn't have taken it but it's still like an incredible honor that's really hard to turn down I'm sure and it just was the horrible horrible fit for it shouldn't have been in school you shouldn't have admitted somebody's parent signed up an eighth grader for an AP class and yeah he failed it like oh like oh I've really realized that I failed it afterward doesn't change anything. I appreciate like he's one of the first U.S. captains ever to like stand up and say I did some things wrong, but he did them so horribly wrong that there was no other option, but to say hand up here, I made some mistakes. Just started rattling off state capitals at the end.

It's like that's sick. That's not really what it was about, but yeah, it was a geometry class. Yeah. And he wasn't, he wasn't like humbled during the middle of it either with like, what, hey,

you send out this English, Morikawa thing again. We have a plan. Okay. Well, your plan also included putting Harris in the envelope the next day. So I'm sorry. That's one I got to push back on. I think it's an F.

Totally fair. Yeah. Randy, we'll call him the great boy. 3-1-0, Cam Young. Again, we're judging along with Team Europe. So I put him on really the same line as like a Terrell hat and John Rom. I think it's an A-minus for Cam Young, three-and-one in four matches, home, kind of a quote-unquote home game for him. I thought he had a great week.

Zander. I think Zander's like a, I mean, I know he's three-and-one and four matches, that looks nice. So I'm giving him a B. Where are we at? Can't let him. B-B-minus is fine. Like, Zanders might maybe somebody. want to see a little bit more leadership from yeah yeah yes but i was impressed with what he took

it to rome today yeah and i i was again i was wrong about fucking everything this week i thought rom was going to dominate that match i'm a moron he's out of gas he's they were toast man sure but still i was wrong about everything and i was impressed with zander's showing some heart today yeah yeah uh can't lay we talked a little bit about sure uh what went all five yeah yeah one oh five um honestly was part of that one winning team what friday morning which was could have been important uh honestly see something if you want to go plus minus regular lost in singles yeah a totally unmemorable student like we'll not remember pat next year didn't come to office hours got a tough pairing with burns um how did we

fall for the Burns thing again. How are people not more mad about that? You want to do Burns now? We can, but what, again, you got to give me a name of somebody that, like, Keegan. I'm so done with Burns. Burns has been expelled. We have expelled him.

If Burns is the guy, then you don't send him out on Saturday morning. I just don't understand that. Like, I don't know. It just didn't make any sense to me. Like, all right, like, Burns is a dog. That's why he's on this team, and you're not going to send him out. he's supposed to be the putter and he's third worst

putting on the like just get out of here I don't need burns he's been expelled we don't need him again interesting one here guy that is putting in the work we know that not a popular student but you can't argue with a lot of it

one three and one this week for Bryson to Shambo guys what do you think I think Bryson is okay here's here's the bull case for Bryson he gives a shit right let's just start there it means a lot to him and you you just don't sense that from all of the team um he he's obviously a crowd favorite uh he's great for content here's the problem he's not i don't

think he can lead the current iteration of of the team like guys just are not going to follow where he's leading and there's just too much scar tissue i think in in who bryson is and the live and all of that so i i respect bryson for giving a tremendous shit about this um one three and one record not great i i net out at like again maybe a c plus for him because i do appreciate the effort this is where like the difference in like bryson played good golf overall this week but also when you're a a a horse and an a player when you're going out with ben griffin a rider cup rookie in the afternoon like you you you got to hold his hand you got to pump him up you got to ride you got to you two should be inseparable because that's what the other team's going to do is an unfair

standard shirt but the other team's going to do that and like you ditched him coming out the tunnel to go celebrate with d t on the first tee and like that was your whole vibe the whole day that's part of the part of the role of being a leader on the team if you if you want to be a horse is you got to take the other guys under your wing again that's a lot to leave loft on somebody but your opponents are going to do that rory's going to do that rom's going to do that so He just doesn't seem, he seems young still. He strikes me as like a big man, like an NBA big man that like can't necessarily play well with him, the system or play well with others. But he's going to get his, he's going to get his 20 and 15.

A Julius Randall T.C. But I honestly thought he was a little let down though by the JT, the J.T. pairing. Al Harrington. That was, you know, I don't. And the vines between him and J.T. were good. Like that, that one I don't put on Bryson. I think JT led him down a little bit in opening session But it was also a pairing

A lot of people called out in question from the jump And him and Cam Young were an awesome pairing So I agree with that It just seems like part of it Yeah Well I was part of it too Sorry you'll go ahead I was I would say I agree with the C plus

Just got a The plus comes from coming back from five down today Yeah As an individual That flips it from being a C minus Like I mean he battled his nuts off from 14 all the way home Because were those birds? How did he come back?

I didn't get to see that. I think he. A lot of birdies. A big ass put on 14. What do you make five in a row, four in a row? Yeah. He just really. It's still in existence.

He willed it. He came off the hill down. I watched him walk down to 14T. And all the while he's just a pied piper getting everybody hyped. I mean, it's all about him. But it's like it's, it's impressive, man. It was all, which Randy, I'll, I'll throw out just whatever legally. Legally the highest grade somebody that went one, three, and one can get is what I'm given

Bryson. I thought he had a great, like a pretty great week on the U.S. team where not a lot of guys had a great week. I thought he was saddled with tough partners, like Solly said, and his record is not reflective of the golf he brought or I think the energy he brought. So whatever the highest grade, you'll legally allow me to give Bryson is with that record. That's what I'm, that's what I'm doing. I think also with Bryson, there's two things.

I think it seems like he's. tucking up a lot of energy, whether to like figure out who to pair him with or just, like, there's just, there's a lot of gravity there as far as decision making goes. And then I think the other thing with Bryson is he just doesn't, like, I would give him a little bit more credit beyond the grade because he didn't nuke anything this week. Like, he could have gone. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of downside risk of Bryson. And he was additive, I think, overall. So, Cody what he got yeah you guys mentioned leadership a couple times i just want to bring it kind of around here and that there's a lot of different forms of leadership bryson very much

neal you probably can recognize this but he's like the strong middle or maybe outside linebacker on a team who like gets in the weight room is just you know throwing shit around and is like let's go boys scotty called him the emotional leader in the locker room and that does carry weight but that doesn't necessarily mean that when you're out on the course that he's taking care of people he very much is like yo i'm going to go crush this and whoever is paired with like follow me i'm going to show you we're going to go get this point but i am going to do that via my golf not necessarily like shepherding somebody around and that is a major captain's issue that you're right the captain's responsibility to figure out the pairings and how you manage that not so much a bryson

thing i think bryson excelled on what bryson needed to do go to you exactly right and that again i'm sorry to keep harping on that but like that's that comes from like intimately getting to know your players like throughout the course of a year because again that's what europe does like they know who is going to be the ushers around for other people and they know who like hey i just need you to be the golfer in this pairing uh they they get down to the level of detail of that and it's hard to imagine that kegan did that while also like being extremely focused on his own golf game this year. Randy, moving through, we didn't see a ton

more of some of these U.S. guys, but JJ spawn 2-1-0 quietly. Yeah, JJ, I thought great rookie campaign B-minus. That's great. I don't have strong take there. Would have liked to have seen him in at least another session. Yeah, I think another

foursums would have been nice. That's one where I'd also, on what he was expected to bring to the table, I think he was It's like an A minus. Like I think that was a, he was a positive addition to the team. That's, that's a win.

JT, I think maybe saved it with the final exam today. Massive, massive results beating Tommy Fleetwood in singles two and two for the week. Looked great in spots. Looked not so great in spots. Yeah, which to me,

nuts out. Like, again, if we're kind of judging them against the European guys too, like I can't give them more than a B minus. you know like this point needs to be a great man yeah like he's got to be one of the lions of this team and and we just we don't really see that we do see a lot of demonstrative hand gestures and antics he was he was going really hard for that jacklin nicholas award though with trying to quiet the crowd for roars i thought you were saying the ear wiggle thing he was doing but yeah it's the most rare club in sports i mean only does Justin Johnson, Sergio, Team Rose, and now Tommy are in that club. Sergio, when did Sergio win it?

Sergio split it. Sergio and DJ split it at Whistling Street. Did they really? First iteration. I miss that. That's good stuff. Sam Burns, we talked about Russell Henley. Am I wrong real quick on Sam Burns?

Like, I don't need to see him on another American American. Spelled. Totally with you. Double secret probation. Another one of those that, like, I'd be. he has a loud tool that in a putting contest how you didn't get putting out of Sam Burns this week I don't know but that's also goes like to the point of like I don't think you like build your team around great putters

uh I think ball striking is more important but uh Ross Henley was 02 and 1 played quite nice as far as the strokes gained goes I think you got a lot lot lot of that in the singles uh today where he was the best player but Randy, I think we needed a little more out of our guy there. To me, it's too little too late. And then leaving those putts short down the street, like, I think it's a disaster week for Russ Henley. I think, honestly, I think it's a D. It was just body language, too.

Like, he looked, the moment looked too big for him earlier in the week. Especially Friday, he looked really bad on Friday. Yeah. Wipey stuff. Just, he doesn't pass the eye test, especially for the casual fan. A lot of like, man, bro, like, he's got to. rust steaks it's so good and he played so bad that was frustrating it also neuters his like the stuff that he does well totally and it's i i have a hard time just saying he played so bad when

he was like third and strokes gained among the americans right i mean i know it it when you start out poorly you're almost never let to you're mentally like fans don't want to let you get there to like actually overall you had a pretty darn good week but he book ended it it's like it started off poorly had a really bad first of and then he left two putt short to finish it and lost like on his putter the the events over he was plus three plus three overall and plus three point eight in singles and like but it was and that would have beaten anybody else except the guy he's up against like that's just part of like the bad luck to come sometimes in match play i get it i get it i get it i think he contributed to the

fact that it was already over by the time it really got to that point yes it also like yeah It's really, I'm not, I'm fully fleshed this out. Like your singles match is like more important than your team match in terms of like you play yourself for one full point. And you're basically playing for like half wise, you know, when you break down the numbers in it. Like, and he did not contribute enough in that part and contributed to the team being down a ton going into singles. So I get it to a certain extent. But I just think you can go, you can, you can, you reach an unfair conclusion on like whether Russ Henley should be a part of teams going forward. if you look at 02 and 1 and say that guy's out

because I think he's an amazing player I don't know I'm not saying you did He wasn't expelled That was some of the sentiment I felt like there was around Russ this week And I was surprised when I looked at the numbers But like there's no there's no faking it And we've talked about this with strokes gained on match play stuff

Like there can be some Not really at Beth page Because there wasn't any room to go down really But there could be some noise to the downside of the numbers but there's no like noise to just like the upside of it like if you gained if you like you played good golf and and you can definitely do it at the wrong times and it not be of benefit to your team and that's that's what's happened with russ it's just hard to you know paint it too broadly to say that guy stinks maybe some empty stats at the end there i do think the one thing that we're giving a little bit of a pass on it's like he played with the number one player in the world who was not himself though that's unfair too though like scottie was especially in the Friday foursums was Scotty improved as a week went along too but like he got you know again you play poorly early

you're going to get contested maybe we got to go there next teach yeah yeah I think so Scotty Sheffler finished one four and oh this week I think it's a man's job too disaster I think it's a failure

of a week for Scotty truly I think he failed this week for sure Randy we talked about this maybe I I said this to Sal yesterday, but this week makes, I hate to say to be hyperbolic, but it makes him a less interesting golfer to me. Does. Like, no, he didn't give the crowd anything.

And listen, people deal with pressure and competition in different ways. But he's just kind of a man to himself, whether it's going well or going poorly. And it just, yeah, kind of sucked, man. it sucked for as a fan to watch him and then for him to go one and four because you want to see greatness yeah i want to see him rise up man i meet the moment meet the moment it did suck and i i am going to push back neal uh respectfully on that i think you can make the case that made him more interesting golfer in that we've seen golf looks so easy to him for so long and the like the knock is it's too boring he just hits too good

shots all the time and suffocates these fields. And I think much like Tiger, it's very fascinating now that she's like, yo, why can you not figure this out? What the hell happens at these team events? Scotty hitting into 18, that wedgy hit into 18 was like a borderline shank at the most highest, like the highest pressure moment of the day for him. And it was just, even like coming to the par, 150 yard par three and missing by 80 feet and just like things that you're like, dude, you never ever ever ever do that and that to me is where i'm like i certainly see what you're saying and i'm sure a lot of people feel that way but to me i'm like there's something a little more interesting i'm like every time he wins going forward now i'm like well yeah that's interesting

but why can't you do it it why is this not translate no i i think that's an awesome uh counterpoint i guess i think when i say he's less interesting it doesn't and this isn't fair because based on what he says in the press conferences it doesn't he doesn't he's he doesn't feel like he cares that that's that as when you're in the out there in person it's like dude wait the fuck up man you know show me something like lean on somebody show some emotion superpower though is that like that's what works at stroke play but it's it's it's i'm i was frustrated i guess is what i'm getting totally and so it made me be like uh you know just kind of like yeah just frustrated there is a clear difference right now between the people who are on

site today versus us who watch the telecast because i think think we all saw when Scotty was done one of the few guys who actually like went to the camera today i know he didn't do that yesterday and you can talk about that but was very emotional about it today yeah and talked about how bad he has played this and how much it absolutely killed him because he loves this event and he's trying to figure it out because he wants to perform here because he loved the team and i think i learned more from his stuff today what he said after his match was great than anything else yeah interesting i go back to grind at rome too right i mean i could be i'm on i'm being unfair it's it's me reacting not at all that's great context but like

all week friday morning it's just like he's sleep it's i was kept saying it's like zombie scottie it's like what yo what is going on here and i guess he's just he was just struggling so i'm probably being unfair but it was just a really tough week and to see like basically rory on the other side i know he beat rory today but to see rory like rise up to the occasion was you know kind of a good juxtaposition well i think there's something too like the fact that it's clear the event is clearly gotten to scotty in terms of if he wants it that badly and like he's just on the wrong side of like putting pressure on himself versus like expecting yourself to rise to the moment in a very different situation this is just such a massively different situation in so

many ways. But like Rory and Tommy and Rom and all those guys come in chomping at the fucking bit to get there and go do it. And it feel like Scotty kind of reverses back into like, oh, this is different. And I don't know how this is going to go. I hope it goes well. I really, really want it to go well. And there's such a difference in those two attitudes. That's projecting and there's no way I could know the answer to that. But like, that's what it feels like to your point. Yeah. I mean, I go back to 2021, Rory at Whistling Straits, like clearly frustrated by all of this stuff. clearly did not have his game felt like he was letting the team down the famous like teary press conference that he did and just kind of rededicating to himself to like man i got

i'm going to figure this out and i'm going to be the same dude at these events that i am at all the other events and i i don't know how that happens for scotty going forward but i'm i don't know i just think it makes the year where he goes five and oh four and one like i know that's in the future it's going to happen it's good deeds take a long term perspective i i I think weeks like this is going to get more interesting. There's no path to them winning one of these without him being. Well, that's what I was going to say. So you said that you were very upfront on that.

It's just like these things as much as we like to talk about the margins, all of those things do matter. But like, dude, if he doesn't go one and they lost by two. He doesn't go one and four. They probably fucking win. It's, it's crazy. He did save a man's job today, though. So he should be shouted out for that.

That's a good point. I think the, I think a dare manner is going to be perfect for him. I think that underdog mentality of going on the road with hopefully a more competent, you know, captain focused on excellence, I think will be big, whoever that ends up being, assuming it's not Egan or Zach Johnson or whoever.

I think the, yeah, I don't know, I just, Scotty's such a tough one to figure out. Because it's, people lead in different ways, too.

And I imagine he's the heart and soul of that, that team room in there. And he's got gravity and, and I'm not sure he was ready for that you know I'm not sure he's ready for that where he is just in his life 29 years old like he he is being pressed into like

you are the face of the American team and there's certainly some pressure with that I yeah what was your great Randy but I it's an F this week for me I think it was a failure of a week I guess I think so I also think he needs more guys in his image on the team as well and I don't know what that looks like

or what that means. And I think, you know, maybe Burns is the counterpoint to that. But, like, this just felt like such a mishmash of guys with the guys that, that auto-qualified, the guys that got captain's picks, it just didn't really seem like a,

you know, and that's, that's really nobody's fault even, right? Like, you can augment it a little bit with captain's picks or, you know, some of the, some of the guys just didn't.

But, like, I think losing a Max Homa, not having Max Homa on this team, you, like, ripped out the, heart and soul of the team that was in Rome. Yeah. And I think that's like circumstance. Like I'm not saying Max should be on the team because I think that's more on Max than

Yeah, no, no, it's just a shitty, it's just a shitty hand you're down. Yeah, yeah. That's a theme with American stuff is like you can have a stud. Look like it's about to be the guy and then you roll over the next one and be like, huh. Well, not only that, Spieth would be another one where you just like, man, it would have been a, no, but but obviously, neither of those guys deserve to be on the team. but it would help if you had some continuity. Yeah.

Is that the, have we completed the U.S. list? No, we got a couple of the teachers I know don't like this guy. I don't want to talk about him. Colin Morcawa. A little baby Colin. Yeah,

I don't. He's exactly who we thought he was. Great, Randy. It's a failure of a week for Colin. Top 10 player in the world and just no presence about, like I think intangibly, tangibly, I don't know how you give him anything.

but an F this week like it's not good i'll say this about colin the teacher gave him a study guide that was not the same subject as the test like the no potentially nobody was fucked more about the setup than Colin of making also know what the setup is going to be so why choose him well you know fair sure but like you yeah you you have an iron play skill and you made iron play like almost I mean, it's silly. You just took his advantage right out of his hand. Like for this, if you're going to set it like this, yeah, he shouldn't have been taken.

Like, but there's no excuse to make that combo of, of mistakes. That's, that's apologizing for Colin. He's still going to figure the putting out. The putting still sucked ass. But like, he still had an iron play approach skill that he could have and should have brought to this team. That was definitely not helped by the setup. So, yeah.

Harris English and Ben Griffin were our last two big. end of the end of the grading pile here right yeah whatever you guys think they paid the fee we'll give him a D whatever it didn't seem like there was a plan for Ben Griffin he felt bolted on I agree with that I don't know how much of that he was limitations yeah I wonder if he was struggling like this week in practice or something I mean there was he didn't look like himself good on him for getting a dove at the end though yeah as a rookie that's that's big man that that you know he helps the the Wikipedia page for sure I'll say this he beat the worst European guy one up so it was like I think he had the smallest bar to clear

there he also had the worst round of any of the Americans he just happened to go up against the worst guy uh for the Europeans he see are you gonna apologize for Rasmus I fucking stinks Hoy guards are oh four strokes we need more we need more from the hoy guards we need more from the Hoy Guards. We need more from Denmark, generally speaking, just moving forward. There's so many good options coming out of there. And something wrong to, if you had told me in two writer six strokes, they were going to put both Hoyguards on and neither of them would win a match. I'd have been like three in a row for the U.S. a decade of dominance on. Like, I would have, I would have thought the Hoyguards would have played a way bigger role if Europe was going to win.

I love where you're sitting on your all of the Rasmus play. I know. Exactly. We'll have to follow up on that next year. Cody, Cody, what do you got? Hold on. Do you have Rasmus Hoygard? No, you have Rasmus and I have all the other Rasmus. Yeah, and it's totally major one. In perpetuity, any other Rasmus. Any now until both of us are dead, T.C. DJ makes great deals, T.C. Cody, what do you got? Uh, yeah, I just, before we round out the U.S. side of grades and everything here, obviously only six people deserve or work their way on to this team, but Captain Kegan, uh, famously skipped over numbers 10, 11, 12, and 13 on the points list. That would be Mav McNeely, himself, Brian Harmon, and Novak.

Any gaps do you think that those boys could fill looking back on it now? I think Mav could fill a assistant captain role of just like, hey, what the fuck are we doing here? I think Mav's game would have played well, too. Easier to say now, you know, I could have been beating that drum louder. but you have absolutely I don't know it's better burns or call it

I think Harmon like listen I think Harmon's a foxhole guy over a handful of the current squad so maybe not like the best fit the best you know

the statistical profile but the guy went two and two in Rome like I you could go to war with some worse guys than Brian Harmon

I feel like I think it's a bit of revisionist history on that. I think it would have made a small. It's like Sambirds was a nothing factor. Again, I don't think he was used properly, but I just don't. They were searching

for bodies, man. There was not guys beaten down the door. There were it, again, it's just like you also like can't weigh in on that without like factoring in like how does this all fit into your plan? Like the guy shouldn't matter as much as like how this person fits into your plan. And they didn't really have a plan. So

it's just like you can almost not answer the question. Randy, thank you for all the grades. An honor to be privy to your process. I know you're going to duck out to celebrate that Reds dub. Great chopping it up with you this week.

I think you supplied a lot of American youth with a carrot to chase as far as becoming a great man. Who will be the next American great man? Yeah, that is the question. Maybe only one. Who was the last American great man? man.

Pete. Well, we have, and who's the next kid, you know, who's, we, we have open slots for both right now. Coiven. Maybe he's got to earn it. You know, the kid is, you have to be intangibly rich to be the kid, too, T.C. You can't just be all about play. Well, Neil, speaking of being rich, let me give a shout out to our friends at SoFi, the ultimate

finance app, which is sponsoring today's SoFi, get your money right moment. You head to Sofi.com slash NLU to learn more. about how you can get your money right with SOFi Plus. Guys, usually when we have this segment, it's around a PJ tour event. There's a lot of money going in and out. There's a lot of guys moving around the money list.

Not the case this week. So I'm just, this is an open forum. I just want to hear some nominees who got their money right this week. I'm going to take the first draft pick and just say the U.S. team, obviously, right? stipend season. Stipant season. We know the U.S. team charities got their money right.

charities got their money right deed that's right that donated all that money got donated okay i'm going to say i'm going to take the i mean i can't believe this wasn't the number one overall pick in thirty one thousand especially the 33 000 or sometimes however many i think maybe the top hundred or 200 that are on all these boondoggle trips and in you know using their their their their nonprofit money to kind of fund all these lavish trips around the world and to go to different rider cups and all this stuff like the 31,000 I think I think they got a target on their back at this point because I think they got their money too right at this event so many questions of why is this the way that it is or answered by two I don't know PJ of america made a

a fuck ton of money this week I got a I mean a bit of a free ad but you know who got their money right was blade. I cannot tell you guys how many helicopters that I personally saw take off and land this week. It had to be 45. Did I like saw with my own eyes on their 15 spots on Bethpage blue or yellow? It's unbelievable. I mean, I just never seen so many helicopters in my life. It was it was the it was crazy. So that that would be my nomination. I'll throw out another one. Heather McMahon, the comedian who was brought in to be the first TMC and it was reported by Josh Carpenter via the PJ of America stepped down from the role

literally the only person has been held to account for any of this so far I gotta think she got paid for that and just got a trip to the Ryder Cup and I think she got her money right she I don't know one Friday morning I wasn't there on Saturday morning when it went all wrong but Friday morning, she was on the mic once and she got boot off.

I mean, just didn't do anything. Hey, were you there for the chant thing when they were trying to. That was Sally's video. Somebody had to do the chant. It was just me there for that. That was one of the cringest things I've ever seen. It was epic, epically bad.

It was worse in person than it was in the video, even. But yeah, that one pretty nuts. last last nominee i have was uh just kind of luke donald's book agent i'm going to call it i think luke donald's going to write the best writer cup book of all time i think that i think that's sealed that's sealed today so whoever's profiting from that i think got their got their money right this week just so many black redacted lines in it though because they're state secrets exactly exactly i mean phando might have gotten their money right i feel like heavy heavy heavy money on the u. team big upset i think europe was like plus 20 000 last night there was probably a couple

minus or minus 20 000 yeah a couple of nervous bookmakers yesterday what uh getting their money right i think colomorikawa continues to get his money right off the course he was on every commercial break that's true and uh you know he granted granted he he probably lost out on some earning opportunities by being on the losing team yeah uh well listen if you guys have any more nominees please please continue to send them around thanks to our friends at sofi the all in one finance app for sponsoring this week's get your money right segment you can go to sophy.com slash nl you to learn more about how you can get your money right as sophy plus and if you want to nominate for someone for the next get your money right moment please let us know in the comments guys we're at two hours and 15 minutes here i feel like we could go for another two hours if we want i think we're going to have another episode later in the week in some way shape or form uh talking about stuff. So what else do we need to cover tonight? What else is on the burn sheet tonight here? Did we do we properly celebrate how crazy today was? Like how exciting today was and how much of a freak occurrence this day was. I mean, I don't think anyone at any point last night

thought this was even remotely possible. I thought the race for 20 was much more likely than the fact that they might pull off one of the greatest sports comebacks of all time. But like that was insane. Today was insane. I'm still processing the yeah. What I, what I the flip when you see the concept of momentum happen in real time when cam young made that put and then bryson made a put on 14 and you're out there and it's happened on the big screen it's just hard to explain like the uh it just like swells up and and but one thing i really wanted to shout out before the end of the pod is i really want to give the european fans a ton of credit when Shane Lowry made that put

and it was it was on the big screen and I was perched on this like elevated viewing platform on six behind 16 green and it's happening they were the glee and just the joy and relief probably but the way they celebrated was so

like jovial and classy and it was authentic and not obnoxious and it was just really fun and I was really happy for them as someone that was reading for team you I just like really respected I was just like man I was jealous I was like that's awesome and I talked to three or four European fans today that picked up tickets like you know on a fraction of like they were there for Friday or Saturday and they were like oh we just

went on and bought tickets for 300 bucks instead of $2,000 and they were just happy to be there and it's like they witnessed history like a where were you moment that they'll talk about for you know decades I just I was like I was so happy for them. And I just, I feel like the European team, despite all this, you know, the U.S. shooting themselves in the kneecaps, they went out and got it. And that Lowry Putt was the perfect embodiment of that and the just the outburst. Because it was a lot, there were a lot of Euro fans there because I think they snatched those tickets cheap. It was awesome. It was really cool to see. It was confusing cheers out there at times today. Like, for sure. It was that loud

on the European side. And I think like, it's your point there too. U.S. kind of opened the door in there, but, like, Europe sprinted through it also. It's not like Europe gets a shitload of credit for how good of golf they played. I think there was things they could have done to limit that opportunity, yes, but Europe could have also laid an egg and the U.S. could have gotten away with it, and they just did not. Now, the European faces, players faces in that last hour, I took a bunch of pictures. I don't know if you have any of them, Cody, like, they were looking, they were stressed, man.

that i i i i did not fully recognize how close it was until i looked over just like saw the look on tommy's face saw the look on ludwig's face saw the look on rom's face of like holy shit this this actually might happen there was one moment Tommy's just standing in 18 fairway here it is like they're just hands on the hip you're the u.s players are jumping in carts to run back to 17 to like keep it going these guys were like nervously watching the television of like holy crap it was all red and all and then the last four were just tie tied tied it was like We had to just get through Henley. It was like, God, that was the last.

And it kept when Bryson have that match or tied that match on 18, it extended the day by 45 minutes. Yeah, yeah. And so out there, that was like the chatters, like, if we could just get through this, we got, we just bought ourselves. And like, like, we're on life support, you know. And it's like, oh, my God, there's, there's brain activity. Let's go.

And it was like, you got Hoygard, you got McIntosh, you know, not a lot, not the guys you're fearing the most on the European inside of like this they only need to flip one hole i mean it was i i yeah incredible it's allie that's the question i've got for you is monday morning quarterbacking it like you know obviously europe put their their their studs out first like just one after the other after the other first six guys right in hindsight like was that the way that things played out was that a mistake um and also that's got to make you feel even sicker looking at how Colin and burns kind of kicked it away you know to as much as i think the strategy stuff on this i single

stuff i don't obsess over i guess nearly as much i i i i it's there's some science to guessing who you're up against like if you could draw it up perfectly you would want um to be favored in as many matches as possible right and you don't want to end up with a match where you have what you're like a really good player up against a really bad player like that's just yeah has a bad effect on the rest of your odds. The problem is you don't know who you're making these guesses up against, right? So you can kind of end up second guessing everything. I think I definitely underestimated. I think a lot of people may have underestimated how much energy Europe spent Saturday afternoon because almost I get basically everybody that went all the way. Did they all lose today?

Rom lost, Rory lost, Fleetwood lost. Tommy lost. Yeah. Yeah. Hatton. Hatten tied. Rose lost. Tied. Everybody that played, everybody that played four or more lost except for, except for Ludovie. He, oh, four or more, but anybody that played all four, they all lost, except for Hatton, right? No, Hatton didn't play all five. Yeah. So basically all the guys that they leaned on to go all four matches in the early part, five matches, five matches.

All of all four of the team matches, I'm saying, came, showed up and lost today, right? so those are your top dog so would you not put them out it's it's um i don't know i don't have a strong opinion there other than like that was the one thing the u.s maybe but the u.s had a lot of guys that went all the way too i mean uh you know what can't lay played every match scotty obviously played every match um who else brison played everyone i think that's it right um yeah i think it is but yeah i zander zander sat i think uh i think uh i think my takeaway, at least from TV, you guys can tell me what it felt like on the ground was

I, as awesome as today was, like, I also think it was essential for, like for the Ryder Cup. I had, I had a lot of people texting me, disconnected people that do not know each other, just being like, man, I thought I loved this event and this sucks. Like the crowds, the golf, the one team being really into it, one team. not being into it. I couldn't agree more. And I think this basically made everybody forget a lot about how much those first two days kind of sucked as golf fans. Not only first two days, I would say one hour, like flipped, flipped it.

And I guess you could say like, oh, maybe the rider comes always like that. Like it just comes down to that golden hour where all these groups are coming through the last four holes and you don't know what's going to happen. I think the difference though, Neil, is like I think the hype has reached a point. now where just people expect so much yeah and people on site expect so much sponsors expect so much like it's just it's gotten so massive in scale both in reality and what the footprint of the event looks like and also in expectations that if it doesn't deliver on it people are just like what is this this is flat and what is what is this first tee what is this you know what is this coverage what is this whatever and i think i i think this was a big

ass Band-Aid that the PJ of America and the DP World Tour, you know, going to Ireland next really needed today. I think DP World Tour side is still rock solid in terms of the environment. Rome, they created an awesome awesome environment and they have a team and shitload

of guys that care. But they got the two most important things going. US is starting from scratch on all that. The benefit they have is to go to Hazeltine next. There's a blueprint for Hazeltine. And I post this on the Everything app today and I went back in watching my old videos from the opening tea at hazel team it was a completely different experience

than the last two rider cups completely different and it was that that week those days those mornings are why i spend as much time thinking about this event and caring about this event as much as i do because it was genuinely the best sporting event i've ever attended in any capacity was the rider cup at hazel team it was so much fun so many just passionate moments and just you just don't get that in golf it was awesome and the last two Two at home have not been that. So the PJ of America, one, it's got to get the environment figured out again, back to the drawing board. And you've got to have someone in charge of the process that will never, ever, ever let what happened in the first two days ever happen again.

That was what the task force was supposed to be. But like, there's no way you can end up with this kind of leadership leading the team astray because it led to a terrible product. It led to the terrible environment amongst the fans, too. Like losing that bad is what helped things get way off the rails on Saturday. and they can completely spire out of control. And it's just not, I do not have the confidence that that is a priority enough for them. Because it's essentially the unique balance in this competition, man. They're going to lose it there.

I think something else that really stuck out to me this week. And we can do a little Hamsterdam segment if need be. But I think the beginning in the end of the week, the beginning of the week on Friday morning, like that was the worst that the product was the entire week, was them coming out of the gates on MBS, on USA it was it was like unwatchable the first four or five hours of coverage and just it was it was horrible and then i thought today they they were totally unprepared for what happened i think down the stretch and they did the rolex commercial free hour and then they came out of that and you would have thought the tournament was over um when europe was trying to get that last you know

half point or full point where like the the cut like basically the Cups still hangs in the balance because everybody's going to, you know, put an asterisk on it if it's just 14. And they must have been in commercial for more than 50% of the time over the last three or four holes where like there was there was two groups on the course at one point. And we weren't even seeing half the shots, you know, of Morikawa, like they were missing their drives. And you just didn't know where anything stood coming down the stretch when there was three matches left. And it was just unacceptable. And I don't know how you change. Like there's no picture and picture stuff that they're doing.

Like they're just, they're not even attempting to cover the competition that's unfolding down, you know, down a three whole stretch. Crazy. Flip side of the scale, I want to continue to shout out the Rolex hour because that was maybe the best hour of TV I've watched this year.

It was, it was awesome. And it just showcases Brian Rollap as you're coming in this role, man, it's the commercials that kill the flow 100%. I'm not saying every week on the PJ tour feels anything like that, but I do know that, man, I didn't get up for an hour and a half because I was so locked into watching stuff. My phone was put away and all that stuff. So we've said that a million times on this podcast, but today was was proof positive of that again. I think this the last question I got. And again, we can, we can talk more later on an episode this week.

Should Luke Donald be the next captain? Will he be the next captain? T.C. I'll throw it to you. That's a good question. I think that they should, they should get some new blood in there. I think where they should go, because I think otherwise it's, you're basically going and then the next time you go on the road, you're starting a new for the first time in six years. Versus, I think, whether that's Team Rose or Francesco or, you know, I don't think Bjorn's going to be the captain again, but, you know, or a Noren or somebody like that, I think that, like, you just got to get the next generation going because before you know it, Rory and Shane and those guys are going to be captains, you know, and, and I think, you know, you can't, you can't dilly dally. I think it's taken a lot out of Luke, just, you know, he talked about the sacrifices. He's actually played some pretty good golf, all things considered down the stretch here. But like, I imagine the guy just wants his life back a little bit, too. You know, it's the honor of a lifetime.

But the worst thing in the world is feeling like you, you didn't, you didn't retire at the right time or you held off for too long. Counter. Because it, because it kind of ever won three in a row, though. It's true. It's true. Which, I have no doubt he'd, you know, you know, you an unbelievable job. And he's a great man. It's true.

Oh, guys, this was, can I, can I just final notebook dump? Anything else? To your question, T.C., I think he, I don't know. You sold me on, they need to get somebody ready for,

it should almost be a four-year term. I agree. Wholeheartedly with you, T.C. Coming into this conversation, I was like, fuck, yeah, I should do another one. Like, they just figured that out that, like, that works.

Yeah. So what do you got left? uh final notebook dump a lot of very uncreative chance out there um a couple good ones uh scottie's getting ready to hit a shot on six today and uh some male yelled out scottie you're her hall pass uh which i got a i got a good laugh out of that one at one point it was getting turned the the europe fans were chanting some kind of song about kegan you're getting sacked in the morning like it was pretty unmistakable. Yeah, that was echoing across the eighth hole, I think it was. Sheffler, like a chain about Sheffler gets battered everywhere he goes, everywhere he goes. It's like, oh, God, all right, this is really turning. Also, somebody yelled Solomon shot 88 on 9, which was a personal, it was right in my face as well.

Do you get to throw out? There was, yeah, I got him thrown out. Something, I got you to the bottom of this. Europe had something going on with the smoothies this week. They had, they all had like smoothie guys. The shakers, too. And they were timing it up at very specific times. And it was different flavors for different guys, whatever it might be.

But there was something scientific they were doing with smoothies. Maybe they had something illegal in them, I don't know. There was, uh, Bryson, state after him was putting late on Saturday night. And he was overheard having, quote, a chirp at the greenskeeper Saturday night about getting the green's quicker for Sunday as in almost like a mission on you guys to get them quicker um i which yeah again i don't know how they it's them and manufacturing that's right um that's all i that's all i had all the uh we we covered a lot of the presser stuff but um yeah it was a heck of a week good save good good good save here uh is anybody have any hope or any any any question in doubt for

let's get this on the record now any question a decade of dominance are you willing to 2027 i'm waiting for tc is he going to call a decade of dominance from here No, I think you take it humbly. You take it like the U.S. I think still has, you know, I think Xander and Tantley and some of these guys have kind of fallen off a little bit of what their heights were a year ago, year and a half ago. That's a big part of it. But no, I don't think, I think there's a big, there's a bunch of young guys coming up on the U.S. side that are fucking dogs like a like a coven. Like I know it sounds like a joke, but like if it's not at at a dare manner, he'll definitely be there at Hazeltine.

We didn't, we didn't really get to this, but I don't think it's a coincidence that all the, the energy moments I can think of from Team USA over the last 15 years, feel like they came from young guys, borderline rookies. Yeah. Speath, J.T. Max, P. Cam Young this week. Churn it up, man. Churn it up. These guys got a lot of bad memories already. I don't think there's a path without some of these guys, like being becoming stalwarts, though. Guys, you can count on in repeat. Like, I don't know if you can come into these weeks. I'm like, who's my hot P. Reed 2014 guy? Like, the Tommy, I don't know. The Tommy, they have a firewall, man. They have a freaking firewall of great men.

And I just, I don't, I don't see a path back without like JT, Zander, can't lay, becoming the best versions of themselves again. Yeah. We'll see. This speed on another walker or in another Ryder Cup team? hell yeah we're two and a half hours into this tz you're gonna hug yeah yeah look yeah speed playing captain in ireland i think that's it cook dige i know well hey thank you for uh for sharing the sharing the process sharing the insights guys fun having you guys out there tc fun chopping it up on

on team europe c behind the behind the ones and twos great week from you matt behind the scenes thank you for everything you're doing uh neil we got we got another pot i think is going to come out at a later date. I think probably next week. Later date's a good call. Neil had some microphones, some microphones out there recording that I thought we would. Recording stuff.

And so we're going to see what he recorded and put together a little episode from the week. What else we got going on? Cody, anything else you want to shout out? Yeah, I want to shout out to my guy here. What's his name?

Pete Elliott in our preview show. He's only one. So I scrubbed YouTube. I scrubbed Spotify. he picked Europe 15 USA 13 congratulations to Pete Elliott 3952 and then the only one that got the ringer there with Tommy as the lead point score so I sent him a reply in the YouTube comments with my email but if you're listening to this please send me an email Cody at no laying up.com guys this is also the wrap of our live show season it's been a long year but couldn't be my eyelids couldn't be more thankful of course the everybody who tunes in to them. They're a ton of fun. We've had some crazy, ridiculous moments this year.

This being one of them. Also, I would put a big old, like, finger on Master's Sunday of why we do this. It's a ton of fun. We could not be more thankful to everybody who tunes in and listens to the podcast. On the flip side of that, thank you big time to our friends at high noon for making them possible. So guys, it's been a wrap. need to get a little bit of rest but on behalf of all this here of course thank you to high noon to our friends at tidalist yeti serve pro and so by the 31,000 and of course keep reaching out

all the 31 I've gotten probably 40 notes from people they're mad as hell they're fed up they're they're wanting to revolt we're going to make this thing happen there you go thems are open guys we will we will be back with some more Ryder Cup content on the feed and some other some other content on the feed still going to be a great fall we got a lot of fun stuff up our sleeves i think for uh for the rest of the fall too so great week gang we will we will catch everybody next time cheers let's be playing captain in a dare manner crock on airs oh lay oh lay