No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1085: Lava Golf, International Crown + Jack's Big Win

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Soly, Tron and Cody fire up the weekend pod to discuss Michael Brennan winning in his first PGA Tour start as a professional, plus other notable finishes in Utah and a look at the LPGA International Crown, DP World Tour and the Asia-Pacific Am. We also discuss Jack’s big legal win, the cancellation of the Sentry, assorted LIV news and notes, TC’s London trip and more. Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support our Sponsors: Titleist ⁠SoFi⁠ Delete Me If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club today. Yeah, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast, Utah, Bank of Utah Championship, Fall Edition, LPGA, International Crown, a lot to talk about this week.

Solly here, joined by my guy, Mr. T.C. Hello, T.C. Welcome back from a trip abroad. Thank you, Sally. Good to be back. Great weekend. Watching my Texas A&M Aggies feed up on Brian Kelly and the boys. God, I feel bad for those people down on LSU. I really enjoyed some of the, the, what do you call it? Lip reading that was going on with Brian Kelly barking at the offensive coordinator. That was fun stuff. Joining us as well, Mr. Cody McBride. How are we, Cody?

Very good. T.C., what an introduction by you. It's going straight to A&M from right off the top. But boys, some good golf. Utah, I love that course. International Crown, we never get to really see that. There's a lot that we can shop up here. But, Salli, thanks for having me.

Winners from around the world. Australia wins the International Crown. We're going to talk about that a little bit later. Jungwan Lee wins the Genesis Championship in Korea. A lot of golf in Korea this week. Oh, help me with this one. FIFA La Pocadi wins the Asia Pacific Amateur. How did I do?

I think you rocked it. Okay, I don't know if I rocked it, but we're going to maybe give me a passing grade for that one. And where we're going to start, Michael Brennan, wins the Bank of Utah Championship. A few notes from our friends at Titleist on his setup. Michael dialed in with his ProV1 golf ball, high speed, high spin player. He really likes the lower flight and spin he gets with the Vee

compared to the ProV1X. Fun fact, out of 103 Titleist golf balls in play this week, 52 were ProV1, 51 were Provee 1. Brennan was also among the 48% of players gaming a Titleist driver in Utah's GT3 driver. Probably the most, they say probably in the, copy here. I'm just going to go ahead and call it the most impressive

club this week. He led the field with 7.614 strokes gained off the T this week, which is the most by anyone in one single tournament this year. I saw that on Golf Central as they're wrapping up. I had to rewind that. Is that seriously the greatest driving performance we've seen this year?

And it is. Which is kind of crazy too, because it's so wide. So you would think it'd be even harder to gain that many shots with your driver. And it can go wrong very quickly. out there. If you miss in the lava, which we will certainly talk about.

Newest club in the bag, the GT1, 14 and a half degree three would, which he put in play this week after working with Titleist tour reps, he loved the shallow face and found it really easy to hit both off the deck and off the tee. We saw a lot of that from him this week as well. And like the majority of title is tour pros and all of us on the pod,

Michael takes advantage of a blended iron set. He's playing a T-1503 iron, T-100, 4-5 irons before moving into the 620 CB mid and short irons and then he also goes on with four voki sm 10 wedges the 46f 50f 54s and a wedge works 60k star finally on the greens rolling a scotie cameron phantom 7.2 mallet performance with a little more blade like feel and face rotation due to its plumbing neck title is dot com to find a fitter near you guys 12th 13th sponsor exemption to win on the pGA tour last to do it since the 2020 American Express, which was Nick Dunlap. He took a two-shot lead into the final round over Mike McCarty,

and it was, look, it wasn't dramatic today, but like there's a lot of shots you got to hit still on that golf course. He just passed all the test and gave us almost no moments until the 18th hole until it looked like it could possibly go wrong. But he had a five-shot lead playing 18. Shoots the final round 66, made it look easy. And from all accounts, again, not somebody I was super familiar with going into this week, T.C., but by all accounts,

an easy guy to root for him. Wake Forest product. I think Wake might produce more guys that play the game the right way and just certified class acts than just about anywhere else out there. Bill Haas, Webb Simpson, Cam Young, Michael Brennan now,

of course, Arnold Palmer, Lenny Watkins. That's interesting. You have to wonder if that's the Arnie effect right there. Very much. And, you know, Curtis Strange, I think, went there. But yeah, just very much. much a, I watched him, what was that, 22 or 23 at LACC? 23 at LACC.

23, watched him play nine or ten holes in a practice round and walked away. I was like, this guy's really good. I can't remember who he was playing with, who we were following. But you could tell, like, he just got the, got the it factor. Won three times this year on the PGA Tour Americas. He won three times since August 10th on the PGA Tour Americas. Well, you know, seasons there. It's, you know how it is.

Latin America. It's all weird. I'm saying it's recent is what I'm saying, yeah. Because they do the Latin America first half of the year, and they do Canada, second half of the year. But he, by all accounts, like, works his ass off. He's like kind of a pro before he turned pro even, just does the right stuff. Great work ethic, respectful, like, just good dude.

His parents were out there watching him. You can tell that, you know, just a nice, family. So I was blown away. Like, what was it on? Which, which hole was that? It was like the maybe 11th or 12th hole where he, everybody else was hitting iron or three wood. And it kind of narrowed up. But like, you know, there was a bunker up there about 300, 310. And then it kind of narrowed up really around like 3.30. And he, he damn near drove the green. Like just pulled out driver and said, fuck it. I'm, I'm going to send it. And no, no let up. today at all. Like he he I think he hit it in the lava on 18 but but overall like it was just

start to finish just wildly wildly impressive and it seems like the kind of guy that's going to get his card and like not lose it for the next 15 years. That would be the par 412 435 yards that he had that flip wedge into he's a stud all the going back to college won eight times in college awesome program there one ACC's and then came through I think he finished 12th on PGA Tour U, which got them PGA America's status. And it's one of those things where, as we talk about the future of the PGA Tour and everybody is so eyes wide open and like has little rabbit ears going on about what's happening with access to the big PGA Tour events.

And they don't realize that everything below that, whether that's Corn Fairy Tour fields are getting stronger. They're getting deeper. And PGA Tour America's is getting stronger and deeper now, too, that they've combined Canada and Latin America together. So there are playing opportunities for people who are just looking for places. And this is the entire point of PGA Tour U.

It's not necessarily for the guys who win everything and that are going to get automatic cards or a straight look to the PGA Tour. It's for this example. And this is like case and point is that, yeah, he kind of, he skipped go this week by getting this dub. But he had his Corn Fairy Tour card locked up for next year anyway. Eventually, he's going to get there.

I think he's got I mean he had what the prior season in 2024 he had five top tens finished 18th overall on PGOTOR Americas and then yeah this year he had 12 top tens

and 16 events and and like the battlefield stuff is impressive and Cody like you said like Matt McCarty played this week gave it a good run like really impressive defense of his title from last year

same kind of thing he he won what was his first start I think after basically Battlefield got in here and won and like you know the the pathways are there right it's I think it's identifying the right guys no one's

playing amazing golf and not getting opportunities it's straight up I mean this is and this is like a feather in the cap for sponsor exemptions too and going to like somebody that's playing obviously really good golf instead of just going for a big name that can you know bring a little buzz to the tournament and I think

obviously this pays off in a big way for Bank of Utah. I was, I didn't get to watch Saturday. So I recorded it and caught it, tried to catch up Sunday morning on it. And I'm watching it. And I'm like halfway through the day. I know, I know Brennan comes into the day with a two shot lead, but he wasn't even like on the leaderboard halfway through the round. And you go back and look, he doubled the second hole on Saturday afternoon, then played the remaining 34 holes in 14 under par. He birdied four, Eagled 7, birdied 9, 10, 11, 12, barely didn't birdie 13, then birded 14 and birded 18. Then turns on bogey's 18 today, really, to shoot 66 when, I mean, he was, it was already

in, obviously, closed up by the time he was playing 18. But I think, I think he was trying to make a birdie there and put the exclamation point on that one. But it was freaking dominant, man. And this golf course continues to slap. We were watching it. We were together in Frisco this week, you know, our flight was delayed on American. I'll say it.

straight up tc it's not what we're about but we're sitting there watching at the bar and uh ball's just bounding off lava and it's it's a great fall event man it is this i don't know what we'd say about it if it was in june or in august uh but it's in october and it's really fun to flip on and and watch if you're a really hardcore fan they should play the century there oh that's interesting kind of a similar course what's the weather like in january there though probably not great. I mean, it's probably, yeah, yeah, probably. Very small field for the century, though.

Don't got to worry about that. Can factor in frost delays and everything. No, yeah, like this is everything that the, that the ball series should aspire to. Just captivating views on TV, different, you know, different kind of layout, cool Weisskoff, you know, layout. Just, yeah. Centerline lava. It's got centerline lava, T. Lava.

We need more lava. And it's the holes are designed really well around it. There's plenty of width out there. So it's not, you know, it's not a, you know, you're not getting strangled off the tea. And I love watching guys play that 14th hole, like the can to that green and the can of all the slopes around the green. I think what's the big part of five on the front that they featured a lot this week? Is that the seventh hole? Yeah, I think it is.

They, they showed that one a lot. There's so much advantage you can get by like running your tee shot up the left side. And, you know, you see guys get 40 extra yards of run if you caught the speed slot there. you're hitting a blind approach shot over lava to agree with a ton of undulation. You've got to miss in the right spots around there. I mean, for a course that, you know, has, you know, it's got, what, it's just got two par fives, but it's got, sorry, three par fives and some drivable fours. Only what, two guys finish better than 16 under par, like that's kind of rare for a PGA tour event

that has that many birdie holes kind of giving to you that you don't get the scores up there near 20 under par. So holds its own. I hope this tournament is around for a long time. And it was, you know, it wasn't crazy windy or anything like that. It's just, and a variety of different guys on the leaderboard, right? You got Rico Hoey, finished solo, second, log jam at third. But he's, you know, probably one of the best drivers of the golf ball in the world.

Just can't really put. And then you've got David Ford, really good finish for him. I think he and Brennan are friends he's North Carolina product you know up and comer he'll be he'll be out on Corn Ferry or I think on PGA Tour next year right he got his card I think they're PGA Tour

U and then you've got Horbjorn Olison Ben Silverman Lauer Pearson Cootty and then the aforementioned Matt McCarty all at T3 Brent Snetiker Max Homa at T9 to round out the top 10 so yeah I loved it

like it's been funny there's been a few guys chirping, like very good nature. Actually, former Virginia Tech quarterback, Sean Glennon, has been in the DMs like the last three months of like, hey, you got you got to keep your eye on Brennan. He plays in my club. He's so good. Like he's like he's a different kind of good. And sure enough. Yeah, you got, you do got to hand it to him there.

We do get those a lot. They do not usually come to fruition like winning your first start as a professional. on the PGA tour. You mentioned Rico Hoey moved up from 91st to 601st and essentially guarantees his retaining status on the PGA tour for next year. Thorburn Olson moved from 116th to 97th as well to get inside that top 100

with a few tournaments to go. Max is exempt, but he went from 100th to 93rd with his 15 under part this past week. A little news on his front per Adam, golf week's Adam Shupak. he had split with coach John Scott Rattan. Is that his full name? It's a three name guy.

I don't think I realized that. He has swing coach for the last 12 months. It was seen on the range working with former coach Mark Blackburn this week. Also had a fun limp going. It was kind of the case of the beware of the injured golfer. But a good T-9 and, you know, I know people have been slagging him for obviously a tough year and a tough go. Like, guys been playing some golf for a few months now. Not the best time of year to be playing some good golf.

but quietly, quietly trending and it's not unfamiliar to see him kind of up on leaderboards these days. And his Dodgers are playing well. You know, you got to think he's going to take some pride in that and move forward. And really, looking at the top, so the top 60, I believe, after the fall series qualify for Petal Beach Pro Am and Genesis.

So the next 10 that are in as of right now, Max Grazerman, Aldrich Potgeeter, Chris Kirk, Aaron Rye, Minwoo Lee, Jordan Spieth, Garrick Higo, Jake Knapp, Kevin Hugh, and Wyndham Clark are your 51 through 60 on the FedEx Cup fall. So it locks the top 50. Essentially, you can't really improve your status and top 50 gets you kind of into anything anyways. Anyone 51 and beyond is still playing for your rank status, whatever you want to call it, your number through the end of this fall. So if you get in that top 60, the end of the fall you are in the first two signature events so i think hoey's like he should

it should be a great course fit for him down in in cabo in a couple weeks for the worldwide technologies i i wouldn't bet against mccarty he's starting to play really good golf um you know he had that near 59 uh a couple weeks ago and then i think like windham he's not doing really anything. You've got to think that the folks out at AT&T and the Monterey Peninsula Foundation are thrilled to see Jordan Speeth in that in that top 60. So they don't have to waste the sponsor exemption on him. I was just going to say, it's got to be open season, though, for a bunch of agents out there now like, oh my goodness, one of them opened up. Speed is in. Get those letters firing, boys. And Podgeeter withdrew this week, setting off a firestorm of speculation. I guess

there was some rumors going on that he was going to live. Now, in the midst of this, he left GSE as his agency, and he signed with the same agency that represents Ernie L's. So I would think that would mean he's not going to live. That would be the science of that. But it's been a while since we've done one of these, like, is somebody jumping? Is this guy going?

I mean, I have no emotional tied to that one, but I would hope he stays just in that I think, We'll probably continue to monitor and talk about him a lot more than if he goes over to live. But yeah, any other rumors you're hearing about, I feel like they're not even really trying to do that. Man, some big names are coming. Some names you're going to know. I know Blandy got resigned. That's huge.

Huge. No huge surprise there. I know they're on the hunt for a fourth for the cleaks. No, I really haven't heard anything. I think DJ, this is, this is per our guy flushing it. mob up. I believe DJ re-signed this week with Liv

and... Not just re-signed, but is as motivated as ever. Oh, okay. That's a, you know, it's a reliable report. Like showing up the training camp and the best shape he's ever been in. Which I don't think there was any doubt that DJ was going to be playing live next year.

I think it's after next year the people are kind of a lot more curious as to how this is all going to shake out. I think Kepk is the one that everybody's heard about, like he's not happy, he wants out kind of thing. Yeah. Be careful if that gets clipped anywhere,

T.C., it's going to ruin, it's going to ruin your Monday. Reporting the facts that everybody knows is, yeah, it could be a challenge. McCarty had a 28 and a 29 on the back nine this week. Like,

this dude just must see this golf course really, really, really well. McCarty's the man, dude. he's like one of my favorite players to watch he's just he shaves the ball he bombs it he's got that lefty move like he's he's just kind of a throwback a little bit with how he plays golf like he plays really creative golf it's cool i'll forever associate him with the moment uh we saw him at quail hollow

this this past year during a practice round and just said hey what's up man like hey how's the course playing as he's like grabbing a water walking away down the third fairway and you're just like long as fuck i was like oh my car He's a dude. Ever since that moment, it's like, oh, I'll be rewritten for that guy. That makes it easy. Tacey, people get the stomach bug out there, not just a pod gator, but it seemed like there's a bunch of other WDs for some reason.

Well, there were WDs, and I think it was delayed due to, like, the second round didn't finish until Saturday morning. So I think a bunch of guys that were out of contention, you know, left. I saw Lonto Griffin withdrew after 15, 16 holes in his first. first round. My guy, Gordon Sergeant WD'd and then was at college game day on Saturday morning at Vanderbilt. It's a different priorities this weekend.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I do have to mention my guy Takumi Kaniya continues to pop up on leaderboard. It's not a great, not a great Sunday for him, but T33, he's up to one. I know he's down to 11th. You see, we don't need another guy who's not great on Sundays for you, all right? I'm willing to let you just cut ties with this

and not ride this. I thought he played really well at the Zozo a couple weeks ago. I lost track of where he finished. Because you had said through like, oh, he could have a Takumi, Kaniya, David Ford battle here.

And I legitimately thought you were going to say he finished like T12. But that's sorry, 72 final round. We'll put you back to T33 in the fall. I'm sorry. Teesie, I needed to drive over to Fort Worth and ask Tom Hogi. Like,

what are you doing, man? Like, you're locked up for next year. set why why are you playing you don't you don't got to do this man and you only play was out of out of town like what's going on good question billy horschle 66 66 66 66 on friday saturday sunday there's a rehab starts for him still good to see that yeah uh jackson suber aka the detective ledwell t 15 what's the detective spencer levin calls him the detective because he's always just asking questions about it.

Detective Super kind of works. Like it kind of does sound like a TV character. Anything else. Ollie, we need to see more out of Clanton. That's that's, you and DJ need to see a lot more out of Clanton. Claimed he was one of the 10 bus players in the world

to have not won a major. You know, he played a lot better in these events when he had the A next to his name. But yeah, Coyvin might be, might be taking his spot on that list. Honestly, that seems like it may be a little bit more deserved.

Clanton's pro results as an amateur out, were outranking what he was doing in the amateur game pretty significantly, I think, is fair to say. And Coyvin is like just wrecking people at the amateur level and backing it up with really good results on the PJ tour as well. So it's going to be an interesting one to follow. Before we get to the International Crown, I want to give a thanks to our friends at SoFi for sponsoring today's episode. SoFi is an all-in-one finance app where you can bank, borrow, and invest. Think about your golf swing. The more you practice, the better it gets. Same goes for your money.

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We had the opportunity to go out a couple of years ago when it was at Harding Park, played a practice round with the former commission there. It was, or not a practice round, but the pro-am. And it was just an awesome event. It's like one of the few times that you get team golf outside of the Solheim Cup on the LPGA tour. It's a mixture of countries that you don't see at the Solheim Cup.

And this year, for the first time ever, there was a world team. So world team, they basically made it. So seven qualifying countries. taking your top four based off of your Rolex rankings and then the world team they reserved for that eighth team spot and it was the best top players from countries that aren't otherwise qualified so of course this is like seems like a no-brainer that you finally got lydia co involved you finally got brook henderson involved and luckily enough this year i don't know if it's actually lucky or

maybe unlucky but charlie hall got involved because team england didn't make enough to qualify but this is the first time ever during the international crown where england wasn't represented but charlie was there still playing anyway so eight teams they break them up into two pools they have pool play for three days and then you get spit out into semifinals and finals 36 holes all in one day and that was uh on sunday so kind of a grueling long day they play um can i real quick just say Cody, how cool, how refreshing it was to flip on to like watch team golf that isn't like a big spectacle like Ryder Cup, President's Cup, Solheim Cup, where there's all this massive strategy and, you know, controversy and all this stuff. It's just like, no, we're just going to team up

and we're just going to play some golf. And it was super easy to follow like the matches and what was going on. And it's just kind of a unique event. There's not like a team event like that the pro level that that falls into that category that's not like this big massive exhibition i mean unless unless we count tgl true yeah i'm just gonna not quite put tgl quite on this level but yeah no i agree with you sall yeah i think it's sweet too the fact that like the first three days so pool play you play everybody you know all the other three teams in your pool but they're all four ball matches and then once you get into singles and the finals you have two singles matches and then one foursomes match so there's a bunch of different you know matches that are going on

all at the same time it's the first time now because the the 18 or not the AT&T but excuse me the the match play event that was on the LPGA tour calendar is gone it's the only match play event that you get on either tour which is crazy to think about now in 2025 with professional golf of where it's at so it was just really really cool uh team USA they almost went like almost shut everybody out they came came out of pool a there going five oh and one uh the second team to come out of pool a was team australia went two three and one they barely edged out thailand who beat australia at the last playing there so thailand didn't even make it to the semifinals this year and then china was the uh low point score out of pool a pool b team world

went three one and two um and then japan was the second team to get out of there so semifinals shaped up it was USA versus team Japan and then the world team versus team Australia and USA just kind of you know pedaled to the metal it was almost near perfect golf at least on the single side so you had Angel Yin beat Rio Takeda two and one Yalimi no who was filling in for the injured Nelly Korda beat Miyu Yamashita four and two and then Ayake Fu Duaia and Mao Saigo beat up lilia and LC one up there but that was the only point that that elsie gave away this week on the world side it was world versus team australia charlie beat hannah green two and one minjee came back she was three down through

twelve and uh ended up beaten uh brook one up and then step karyaku and grace kim beat uh whaling sue and lydia co on 20 holes now they ended up going two holes in this playoff because there had to get a point out of it um lydia blew her drive so far right on the 20th hole that the trees at new korea country club i hope i don't know if you guys saw any of the coverage but this is like what you would expect there's the only thing higher than the trees on the drone shots that we're seeing was like these 27 the skyscrapers side skulls skyscrapers right behind it uh it was crazy so her ball got caught up in the trees they barely were able to advance it uh from underneath there and ended up making a double and and step and grace

were able to go scoop it. So Team Australia, Team USA, Team Australia was just too much in the end. They ended up beating the team from America. But it was awesome, I'll say this. The more that we can do of this, the better. I think Korea was a perfect location for it this time of year.

Now, it was cold. I don't remember it, Sully, when we were there this exact time a couple years ago for the BMW Ladies International. It's cold. It was pretty cool. But they were like, it was like raining too. And like they're all bundled up and just kind of looking.

They had the typhoon roll through like a week too. I think it's a, I'm like wildly disappointed in the South Koreans that they didn't make it through to kind of the true playoffs there. But I also think it's a little strange that the world gets a team. like you know it seems like just a kind of an excuse to get brook or lydia involved like if your country doesn't have enough players to get through like there should just be an eighth country for for a team it just feels a little cheap to have the rest of the world when you know you've got china or sweden or i don't know i'm just not down with that uh disappointed in my swedes it's a sponsor i was going to say what what are you talking about right now

This is perfect. This is exactly what the LPGA tour needs. We're always talking about the fact that we have these stars that don't get all these opportunities in events like this. Why would you not put them together and take advantage of it? What you want? I just don't think like Charlie Hole, Lydia Co. Wayling, Sue, and Brooke Henderson playing together on a team

when everybody else is playing with their country, it just feels cheap to me. this feels like this feels like team and I'll use it gets to go play in the ruse club championship to me which is sick but I would say on the flip side of it

is that if instead of naming it team world can we just call it team international and that's exactly what the international team is for the President's Cup like it doesn't make sense but there's only two sides there's eight there's

I don't know I see where you're coming from TC you know it's it just comes down to that Is this tournament better off with a few of these names involved than it is without them? The answer is yes. And that rules the day for an event that has a sponsor as well, I think is probably, it's, it's tricky, too, because you got ladies European tour and they had an event this week. And, you know, a lot of the, like, Sweden's got, Sweden's got a team in this, but like, England doesn't have a team, right? Like, you could do Charlie, Georgia, Lottie.

Right? What's the, they did not qualify? Yeah. So, like, I'd be really curious to know who finished eighth. So the difficult part here, and the eighth ranked team, if you look at it, T.C. would be England. So in order for the teams to qualify by points, that was locked off immediately following the AIG women's open in August. So you have a little bit of a sprint here from Lottie, but really her positioning wasn't enough to move up. to lock her in as an individual player.

So for Team England, Charlie Hall at the time was ranked 17th in the world. And this is all, of course, Rolex points. Who do you think the second highest woman player from England would be? Jody, you were a shot off. No, but that's a great guess. Mimi Rhodes, who's won a ton of LET events this year, obviously not worth the same amount of points than an LPJ tour win,

but she is ranked 89th in the world. Georgia Hall, a name who you'd think. think has always been like top 25, at least top 50 in the world. She is the 100th ranked player in the world right now. Their fourth player, Kara Gardner, is 122nd in the world. So England, a name and a team that were so used to being there all the time, just didn't have it. And obviously, I think the next iteration, not just what you have coming up now and the

wins that they were able to pick up this year, but Charlie and you add some of these more that are getting out of college now and coming through this pipeline, they will be back there. But I still don't think that that is enough to beat out a world team that you can have the number three player in the world. The Hall of Fame member in Lydia Co.

At the time, Brooke, who's a top 20 player, Celine originally was supposed to be in there. Celine said from the get-go, like, I don't want anything to do with this. And then you just have like this shuffle of like whoever else is the highest. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard.

argue that England deserved a spot then, you know, with that info. I hope they don't always just have this in Korea forward to. Like it would be awesome in Australia. I think whoever wins it, they should get to host the next one. That would be sweet. I thought about that while watching it too and like looking at locations

where it has been hosted. And again, just like every single major professional tour, the glaring, like missing point here is like how has this not been to Australia yet especially with like how powerful the Australian women's team has been not just in this event but in major championships and everything else like if you look at them Sweden like that is where the growth of women's golf is is happening right now and Korea it's awesome but it can't be like you know one US or somewhere else and then right back to Korea I hope we don't get in that as well.

Either LPGA or women's golf related news, Yanni Sang won this week on the Ladies European tour. I sent that over. I did not realize it was shortened to 36 holes. But Yanni Sang, who is famously battled a lot of demons and now putts left-handed included in that. That was quite a shocker to see that come across the feed this morning. Her hauling a put left-handed to win a tournament.

But that was, she was, well before I know you existed was on a goat-ish run to kind of begin her career and it went astray but she was truly headed toward it looked like she was headed towards 20 majors it did not end up working out that way but still grinding her ass off and now winning on the ladies european tour wanted to shout that you'll had her tab for 40 majors i mean it's crazy five five majors guys and it's like just to get completely have the yips and to see her battle back where it's at now and there's a lot of other things that go on in Yanni's world as well.

But it's like so sweet. And I understand you can look at this and be like, oh, it's 36 holes, but they got it in. And she didn't just like barely squeak it out. She beat up on it one by four. It was like a commanding victory for a 36-hold tournament. Well, she, I mean, she won the five majors before the Evian was a major. And, I mean, she won the women's PGA in 08.

She won the Chevron, which was the A&A in 2010. She won the women's British that year in 2010. And the next year she won the KPMG women's PGA again. I don't think it was KPMG yet, then won the women's British again, had a second and a third in the A&A as well in 11 and 12 and never finished inside the top 10 again in a major after that. It was just gone immediately after that. I think she had one, if I'm looking quickly, one finish inside the top 20, two inside the top 30 in her entire rest of her major career. That's wild. We need to dive on her.

I can be like a little mini dive on her. You know, we talked to her. I think Randy was in the booth during AIG Women's Open and like interviewed her on radio. And there was somebody on her team. We're like, oh, man, we would love to have you on the podcast sometime to talk about all of this. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

Just let us know. And then, you know, just like all these run-ins that you have places, they just completely disappear from it. But good to see her back there. And who knows, you know, she's qualified this year for the U.S. women's open she's still grinding her absolute tail off and you're going to see her more definitely out there putting left-handed guys we're almost through this crazy long fall agent swing on the LPGA tour and we broke this the uh you know how the LPGA tour had like this street going of

of single champions no one had repeated yet we broke that a couple weeks back thankfully with gino when she won in shanghai say on kim one last week at the bmw ladies championship making her the 27th winner of the season. That is an LPGA record. The previous record was 26, which still seems way too high. This week, they're going to Kuala Empire for the Maybake Championship. Ronnie is a defending champion there. Then we got the Toto, Japan classic Tisi's favorite toilet before we return home.

I stayed at a Japanese hotel in London, and they had one of those Toto. like it was like a it was basically like a like I think the thing was what do you call that when it has like human characteristics or just like it was like an artificial intelligence sentient being

yeah it would walk in the room and it would like react to you and stuff crazy Mr. T.C but can confirm sick toilets that's great TC what happened DP World Tour and Asia Pacific Amateur?

DP World Tour was I didn't really watch much of it. They were in Korea as well. It was the Genesis Championship. This one's on the schedule for next year as well. And I don't think they've announced where it is. It was in Wu Zhang Hills Country Club. I believe four shot,

or sorry, three shot victory from Jung Wan Lee Lee over Nacho Elvira and Lori Cantor. Lori Cantor, you know, a pretty good run for a, him, he's, he's starting to sniff around one of those, uh, PGA tour guaranteed cards for next year. So, uh, I believe they've got, let's see, they playoff start in Abu Dhabi in a couple weeks. And then they're, they're onward to Dubai after that. But kind of big story of the day was Jordan Gumberg, uh, needed to, I think at least

birdie the 72nd hole to secure his tour card is his DP World tour card for next year, uh, to basically move inside the top one, and he hold out for eagle 58 yards out on a sick shot i mean you couldn't tell from the tower cam like how slopey it was until you saw like this ball barely creep onto the green roll i mean he had to land that in a one foot circle for it to have hold out it was a great clip going around yeah so um but yeah so you know i'm still i'm still riding a high from a couple weeks ago with tommy winning and half the field playing without a driver was it was awesome more of that please. And then, yeah, Asia Pacific Am, big news to start the week. The South

course at TRI Golf Links will host the 2026, Asia Pacific Am, down on the North Island of New Zealand, kind of the resort, you know, sister property to Tara 80. It's Core Crenshaw, course. That'll be spectacular. And, and yeah, FIFA Laopacti was the first tie winner of this event and he'll be the first tie player to tee it up at the Masters. How cool is that ever? Which is kind of crazy that like Tang Chai Jai Jai D, never played the Masters. I would have thought his world

ranking was high enough. But yeah, this guy is he's an Arizona State student. He birdied 17 and 18 to force the playoff and he birdied all three playoffals to win it. And he was six back at the start of the round to chase, chase down Tase Nagasaki. I might have to call into question this

this first tie player to play in the masters. Tongtai Jai Jai did play in six masters. Okay. Well, outside of him. Outside of him. Yeah. This was like floating around in all the press releases and stuff. I'm like,

there's no way this is the first tie guy. Maybe it first tie amateur, I would assume that to be the case. Kyridak Abi Bonrat also played in three masters as well. I was thinking that was like, man, that doesn't seem right, but they didn't really make that distinction either. So, yeah, so, you know, interesting one.

And then, yeah, the Latin America am. Just real quick on Asia Pacific Amateur, I went to this one two years ago when it was in Melbourne, at Royal Melbourne. And that was kind of like the main draw to come. And haven't really paid, you know, never really paid that much attention to it prior to that. But if you want, you can go back and listen to that podcast as well. But it was just really blown away by this event in terms of the outreach from the RNA and Augusta National, who, again, is just a club in Georgia that is like putting on tournaments all around the world and like essentially funding the tournament paying for people to travel there putting them up while they're there

and bringing in people from countries that you know are very undeveloped when it comes to golf and like if you look at just the spider effect uh butterfly effect of this event and what it's had on just the masters and on golf uh it's not hard to to to really you know you have to you don't have to bend over backwards to see like what this tournament alone has done for golf in several different kind of underserved regions in the world. It was just really cool. See people from Brunei and Nepal, like get to have the golf event of their dreams.

And again, they're not going to win the tournament. A lot of the times, a lot of these players that come are not in contention to win the tournament, but it's an unbelievable experience. And it helps like kind of guide any national programs that are going on in some of these kind of smaller countries or countries you don't think of when it comes to golf.

it's a huge carrot at the end of, you know, the rope for all that training. It's just, it was really moving tournament. So I just always want to shut that up. Yeah, man. And yeah, shout out to the Latin America. Same. Yeah. Going on in, I think, in January, down at Lima Country Club and Lima, Peru.

Yeah, similar deal. So you talk about, like, maybe their national programs not being as robust as some others. when we flip over and talk about the Latin America and I think this is the first time that the country specifically in Latin America got together and said, hey, we don't just want the tournament. We want to create an academy for all these countries who don't have a national team. So they had their first Latin America amateur academy like a month and a half ago at Costa de Campo and like had all these kids who come and play in the championship that just don't have anywhere to really practice or. who to learn from outside of online lessons or scroll in Instagram like we do, brought in like world class instructors for a week there and got them all set up. So not just teaching them how to be better players,

but like trying to empower them to be these role models to go back to their countries to teach more kids to get into the game with them. It's really cool to see. And it's crazy. It's crazy that a single club in Georgia can do this. And then you look at like some of these other. organizations that you're like okay man like let's go come on like what what impact do you guys have we got we got don ray do singing karaoke we got augusta doing this shit it's just uh yeah

it's it's it's it's really it's just wow it's just wild being out there on like 85 degree heat watching a bunch of green jackets that guys walking around in green jackets following the final round of the event we have a video up on our our youtube uh as well if you want to dive back into that And we had, Ben and I had an awesome time on that trip, him beating my ass. I think Australia might, was not that fun. I might need to, uh, might need to get their butts in gear a little bit just with regard to national programs and starting to churn out some players again. Uh, it's a pretty serious national program they've got down there.

I mean, no, I know. There's just not turning anything out. Yeah. Elvis Smiley is kind of the big hope right now, but there's really nothing, you know, like it was the first year. I think there was no, there were no Australians that, championship now obviously there's a live component to that there's there's there just there hasn't really been a another wave of guys post cam smith or ryan ruffles or curtis luck to kind of fill in there

it's it's strange well i think they're going about it a different way too elvis is pretty much dead set on coming through dp world tour and then eventually we'll get one of those 10 cards and come over right uh the same i can't remember the kid who won your year you that we played with him on tour of sauce. Jasper Stubbs. Yeah, Jasper is making his way through DP World Tour now. I think it just takes time, whereas before T.C., you're spot on, is that those guys packed up from Australia and moved to Florida

and made, like, immediate impacts. And you're like, I think that just goes to show, too, like the level of talent. Like, there's no, there, there's no Adam Scott's coming through the pipeline right now or, you know, it's, it's, yeah. Sweeping generalization of just like, most of, some of the most amazing golf you'll play anywhere in the world in Australia. Proper firm, you've got to hit proper shots, play the game the right way. That does not necessarily what translates at the highest level of pro golf anymore

and from a volume perspective of it being such a bomber's game. That's, again, incredibly broad generalization I'm throwing out there. But like Jeff Ogilvie, you know, if he was coming up today, what would his career look like on the PJ tour or on the world stage compared to when he came up when it wasn't as much of a bomber's priority. It's just a, I don't know, Cam Smith,

kind of somewhat similar. Yeah, some of it is like, I think you look at, Victoria's never been great at producing high level pros. It's mostly been guys coming, you know, coming from Queensland and up north

where there's not a lot of good architecture. And they're just, you know, they're just kind of banging balls up there and practicing swing and all that. I'm unqualified to speak about a lot of things this pod and this is definitely one of them by the way i'm i'm just i'm reaching for an i a reason as to as to why that might be but before we get into some news of the week headlines are chock full of

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Just some bad act. Bad stuff. Not good, T.C. Bad stuff going on there. T.C., where do you want to go around the world in the news of golf this week? Let's take a look. I just saw Brian Kelly got fired. Oh.

Oh. Right on that one. I can't wait to see what kind of morals or, you know, what kind of clause they try to dig through to avoid paying his, I think, $57 million buyout. But I think in just in keeping with large buyouts and legalese and all of that stuff, Jack Nicholas was awarded a $50 million in his defamation lawsuit against the Nicholas which, of course, owned by billionaire banker Howard Milstein, who also owns 8 a.m. golf and golf magazine. Yeah, it just, you know, all sorts of stuff, all sorts of claims in there that Millstein and

company were allegedly behind some of the rumblings that Jack was going to defect to live and consult for live and design some golf courses over in Saudi Arabia, et cetera. And yeah, Jack's been, Eugene Stern's Jack's attorney, this is according to Mark Slaybatch of ESP.com. It's always hard in a defamation case to prove damages to reputation because in particular for a guy like Jack, it's always such a good one. Gene Stearns told ESPN on Monday. But I think what was important was that the dispute that arose three and a half years ago

when the company told the world that Jack was selling out the PGA tour for Saudi Golf when it was not true. So we're happy that Jack's been vindicated. Total vindication. Yeah, I think, you know, Jack sold his kind of name image likeness plus Nicholas companies to Milstein in May 2007 for $145 million. So, you know, I think the Nicholas, like it's really funny when you get a course that is a Nicholas signature design. If they want to keep that Nicholas signature design, they have to keep using Nicholas design to, you know, keep the signature moniker. And they just hold, hold courses hostage for that. It's great. They have to, yeah, basically like, don't, isn't there something in there where they, you know what, I don't want to throw this out there.

I don't want to get sued by the Nicholas companies, but something like they have to be the one. to renovate the course within 10 years or else they, is that kind of what you're referring to? Well, that, yeah, that and then, yeah, and then you, like, you keep having to use them. And, yeah, just there's all sorts of like poison pill stuff in there that, yeah, and Jack's not even designing for them anymore. It's a Nicholas signature that Jack.

And, Sally, you don't have to worry about getting sued by the Nicholas companies. You have to worry about getting sued by Jack. Nicholas Companies is the one that got sued. Got it. Excuse me. Again, please don't assume me for that. But we've got a Patrick Reed litigiousness situation going on here. But it didn't make sense when this came out of like,

the guy that like has had a PGA tour event for like 50 years is going to be, you know, just ditching the PGA tour for Liv. It didn't really make sense. And I don't know what the motivation was from the Nicholas companies to have thrown that out there. But it's going to cost them. Rarely do you see this stuff actually, I feel like the defamation lawsuits usually just end up getting thrown out or they don't see a final judgment like this one. Yeah, I'll be curious to see if the Nicholas companies, if some of those TGL designs

keep their Nicholas companies, you know, it's Nicholas signature design. Interesting. If they're touching up any of the designs in the Metaverse there. So in other news, Sally, the century will not be played at all. They tried to find a place to relocate it. Same day they announced that. they announced that the plantation course is reopening yeah as well so take that as you will uh it seemed like you know i don't know

i don't know what to do with this one i to me it seems like the pGA tour is trying to move off of of of hawaii just generally i think this is the last year of or next year is the last year of sony's sponsorship roll app said we want significant change in the schedule um i've heard they want to start to schedule in 27 in Dubai and that century will be possibly taking on the farmers Tory deal. That's a tough trade. Big and I were, we're ruminating last week of like,

all right, I don't know if I want to, I can't just like swear by all of this PGA tour, you know, some of this. There's going to be a lot of change. We're not going to like all of it, I think was a takeaway we had last week.

If the tour never goes back to Capulua, this would definitely be something i i do not like tc it's it's always a weird one we always get a bunch of confusion and weird questions that week of like why do you like this one it's such a birdie fest you guys don't like birdie fest and it's the route the answer is always just the route and getting there the guys are have to hit different shots yes there's a ton of drive and pitch holes that are quite easy to score on but there's variety there's shots from uneven lies there's uncertainty what the ball's going to do when it lands it's always my live in chicago seeing those scenes of the whales breaching in January, it was like, truly just take me to that.

I would come home from work and just take me there, take me to Hawaii to kick off the season and it will be a bummer if it doesn't. And that's not to say it's for sure, but it does seem that way. And I hope it's not the case. But you wouldn't get the same feelings from Dubai? I just don't think I would. Not quite. The Modules course or the Majlis course or whatever.

They play over there. I think Tommy and Rory have already committed to playing. They do the Dubai Invitational before the Dubai Desert Classic. So they do two weeks in a row in Dubai. And yeah, I don't know. I'll be really curious next year what happens with Sony. Like how many guys turn up for Sony if that strength of field is significantly weakened or if it's just same Sony as always.

Because that's another one I always enjoy watching. That's a birdie fest too. but I don't know. I think it's like you got to hit some shots out there, especially if it's windy and firm. Give you something to look forward to you to watching in the evenings, weeknights, especially in January.

So, yeah, I hope it doesn't go away. I would, it certainly, yeah, trending in that direction. Hate to,

hate to even tease that. But come on. Let's figure out a way to get to Koppelua in some way. What else? Some more event news. Yeah. The good, good, good championship. It's at the debut in 2026 in the fall next year.

Again, all for it, fall season. Like, bring it. Let's get weird. This will be at Omni Barton Creek Resort, the Fas Canyons course down there in Austin. It would be November 9th through 15th, 20206. Also, they're bringing the big break back. Like, good good is bringing like the big break back.

I think this was, I don't know, I guess I couldn't tell if this was like if there were actually people mad about this or if there was just like a you know i know twitter's just designed to like 50 50 pretty much anything and make you upset about something so i don't i would hope 99% of our listeners are not upset about good good sponsoring a pga tour event i don't know those guys very well but i've always had really good interactions from them and they very clearly have a massive massive reach and a massive impact on young golfers across the country and across the world and it is a smart decision of the PGA tour to have those guys in lockstep with you as much as possible. And I'm assuming they're poning up at least some of the cash, if not all of the

cash to sponsor this event. And I think those guys truly want to do good things for the game of golf. If you're a listener to this show and you're older and you don't quite get it, that's okay. Like, not everything has to be for you. I don't think I quite get it. I know, it's not for me necessarily either. But, you know, there's stuff that's not for me that I actively dislike. And there's stuff that's not for me that I totally understand the appeal for a lot of people and it's an entry point for so many people in the game and it's the fucking fall series like let let it get weird go do like this is they sponsor pga tour players as well and I mean the size of their company and brand is massive they just had a 45 million dollar raise uh this past

year I think it was and they're they're gonna be around in golf man and if you ever been to a golf event you'll see a good hat somewhere like anywhere any where any golf course in the country has one of those hats. And I think it's cool that they're doing this. And I'll be tuning in and I'll be very curious to see like what the impact is like attendance-wise on like young people at this event and like the people the PGA tour needs to get in the bucket. Like the people, the PGA tour is going to be competing for that have different options

to watch golf now. Like we did not have different options to watch golf when we were growing up. That's not the case now. They need to activate this young group as much as they possibly can. and this can only be a good thing. I mean, the Bank of Utah sponsored an event this week and we all watched it.

I think we can all tune in to watch the good, good championship. Orthera Grumman was going to sponsor the Byron Nelson. Like, it's, like, the title sponsors is the title sponsor, and it sounds like they're going to have, like, this is a market

that they needed to get back into in Austin, you know, post-match play falling apart and you still need to get a match play event on the schedule as well. is it a buy week for for uh big techs the the longhorns that's a that's yeah that's i don't know that's a question you know that was not set yet that's that's the issue here with timing wise and i wonder how much thought was put into that because the fall in austin is great but you're looking at a pretty tough september october stretch between u t football f1 coming into town

austin city city limits and then you have this stretching into no which is still going to have great weather. But if it does end up being during a UT Saturday, it could be just straight chaos in Austin. But I agree with what both of you guys said. I think the people who are upset of it are like seriously only viewing or maybe only have an understanding of Good Good being the YouTube golfers. And they don't realize the business entity that Good Good actually is and how much their

capital raise and their positioning via merchandise. And everything else that they have going on, like, that's what that capital raise was for is for this stuff exactly. And they're going to continue to get into more retail. They want to continue to expand in live events and get everywhere they possibly can. It's not just a YouTube channel. So I'm excited for it. I was surprised that Barton Creek is where we're going to go. But they're, you know, pretty familiar with hosting bigger events.

So we'll see how it is. it sounds like they're going to do like a big YouTube symposium and stuff too all that. And I don't say this selfishly in terms of you know that this means great things for no laying up. But like the sign from the PGA tour that they're

going to involve like the real authentic content creators and what they're doing is a good thing just for golf in general for consumers for fans of like not I don't know this would not have happened 10 years ago. I mean these kind of companies didn't really exist 10 years ago but like

you're going to see alternate broad. You're going to see them try some stuff with different groups of creators and things like that. Again, might not all be for you, but we've been screaming for some change and I think we should all extend them a little bit of rope as they experiment and try new things. It's not going to be easy.

Does the big break champion, is he getting a sponsor's invite into this? That's the whole championship. Yeah. I think a couple of the good, good guys are competing in the big break, which again, I don't know how Golf Channel was incapable of bringing back like they're made one of the most popular series ever they have big rate big break where are they now shows on but they can't host those things took like

two weeks maximum to film i don't understand why this became too uh cumbersome to produce but uh good good good for no pun intended there for bringing that back as well come on every dust it off i wanted to see you back out there buddy tc you played a little uh golf over this past week week week and a half in some new places. Can you want to tell us about that? I did, yeah. I went over to London, and I really hadn't played a ton of Heathland golf. I'd played Woking, New Zealand, and I'd played Queenwood.

I wouldn't consider that Heathland, but I played this, you know, so setting the stage there, I was like, right, where do I want to play to kind of dip my toe into it and see, and there's 25, 30 other quarter. I need to get to ASAP, but I played the Barkshire, the red course, six par threes, six par fours, six par fives, a couple of great blokes hosted me there. I had a blast. What a fun proper golf course. Just really like, yeah, yeah, you're just kind of pinning your ears back, but then you can get your hand caught in the cookie jar out there. And then it was a great, shape. And then I played St. George's Hill the next day and another great group out there.

They're about to undergo a massive restoration project with Brian Schneider, basically bringing back a lot of Harry Colts original stuff and just kind of dusting that place off. It's already spectacular. Big walk, provocative kind of mounding around the greens and the back nine's pretty spectacular just as far as the land that you're you're traversing back there but I think there was the third hole you know big downhill

kind of par four the driveable floor yeah I hope that's right it was so nice I'm like wait is that real just spectacular golf course and cool clubhouse and loved it loved it and just like just a lot of tricks of the eye

you know Colt Colt just absolute OG and then I played Sunningdale Old as well another great great group of hosts out there and uh what a delightful walk that's up there for me as far as like best I've played anywhere in the world I think um up there you know like just didn't play the new course um but the between the par three's and some of those reveals over the hills on the front nine and the little halfway house you know I had to do a bovroll and sherry to him with a sausage roll, a poached egg. I just, man, that's, I could, I love London. I think it's my favorite city in the world.

And to be able to explore Surrey in the surrounding area a little bit more on the front end of watching the Jaguars get absolutely demolished by the Rams was very fun. So, uh. links or heathland tc i mean it's all recency bias it's whatever you played most recent i think is always the answer i might say heathland man i just really really really like i need to get to

west hills need to get to uh west sussex i need to get back to woking i loved new zealand i need to play the addington swinley swinley yeah there's just there's so many so many courses that you know it's and you can just keep going in kind of any direction down from there uh haven't played you know and then and then you know even links wise there's there's a bunch

of stuff i haven't played in england links wise as well so um yeah i don't know england england england just continues to be like i think the most underrated golf destination like everybody just says scotland scotland scotland or ireland and i think england's right there if not it probably has more depth than each of those combined so it's definitely a different offering it's definitely a different and much more subdued if non-existent marketing engine behind it right like scottish and irish you know clubs want all the visitors they could possibly have and english clubs seem quite you're you're welcome to come play if you'd like uh but we you know we're not existing you know at your because of because of all of your participation and i don't know you

don't you less people go and make that trip it sounds like so that less people come back and talk about all these courses so it kind of flies a little under the radar state uh state side um in terms of you know places you're dying to get to or places you know about or like little niche places that you know don't come top of mind uh you know like the sunny dales walton heath and things like that and then you come back from playing it and just like dude i i don't know if there's better golf in the war anywhere in the world like then in surrey or like sand belt is very similar but like it is just mind blowing like I remember when I played the Barksha Red one I was like kept looking over with the blue course

I wanted to play that one too And also I was like Dude I don't even know if I'd heard about this course Before I before this Before I got over here and got an offer to come play it Like you know some of the big name ones But it's the depth is just absolutely insane over there I think I missed the peak

Purple Heather It was a really really really dry summer There too like shades of 2018 When we first went over there So St. George's kind of had had some some muddy spots on the fairways and stuff, but they're getting ready to kind of redo that. I play soups and nuts.

But yeah, it's just so civilized. It's not long. It's not going to beat the hell out of you. But you just, it's going to test every facet of your game. And, and I,

yeah, I think just walking up at Sunningdale, like walking up and finishing out, and then the big trees behind the clubhouse there. This is as good as a guess. man. Unbelievable. Yeah. And I got texted you as soon as it's like,

yeah, that's pretty much the best we've seen. Like that's it. Sunningdale old is, uh, I forget what part. Then you just hop on the train and go back into the city. It's, it's a charmer, man. It really is.

Last note I had, uh, this was going around the interwebs this week. The state of New York offices of the inspector general has opened up an investigation of the Bethpage state park golf courses online tea time reservation system. Uh, this is from Lucy Lang,

the Inspector General. There was a nine-page file circulating, highlighting some of the things that were brought up on the, on January 22nd, 2025, the Inspector General became aware of an allegation made in the no laying up podcast concerning the widespread and unchecked use of bots in the online T-time reservation system

at Bethpage State Golf Courses. That's the allegation paragraph there, of course, referring to Kevin Van Balkenberg's reporting, in that podcast but just to see that that all of kevin's great work come to fruition into uh into this launch of an investigation into it was uh and all the people that helped kevin along the line along the way in that in that reporting and giving tips and things like that it's uh lean to some action so good uh good book end hopefully to that story yeah maybe we need to get a you know the inspector general out in la uh on a similar they don't seem to general is

Different kind of IG. The week ahead for here at the No Lang Up headquarters, we will have our upstate New York video. We'll be out Wednesday. Am I saying that correct, Cody? Wednesday night premiere. You can find that there. On the pod front, DJ and I recorded a little something this past Friday.

We're starting kind of a new series. We're kind of struggling with the naming convention of it. But it has something to do with characters of golf. And there can be a lot of different kinds of characters of golf. we've recorded the first episode on a certain character that has been very prevalent in our lives covering golf

some might call him a bad boy and we dove into the many incidents of this guy's career we're going to do a few more of these I think this fall and kind of rolled these out in the next year as well you'll have to tune in to find out

TC you'll have to tune in to find out it was a full hour of just incidents from this guy's career and I think Cody's on too it. So anything else from you guys before we wrap tonight. No, I just saw the news friend Brian Palmer from Terry Eadie and TRI, the superintendent director of courses down there. He was just named the new superintendent at Cyprus Point. So congrats to him. Well deserved. We also

filmed the Nolingup Club Championship this past week. We'll give us a little bit of time to edit that video together. But the second annual club championship naming the best golfer at no laying up will be something to look forward to here in the coming weeks and months. I don't want to put a time on that one just yet, Cody. I'll always screw up the timing of that. Before the end of the year. Before the end of the year. Lastly, the no laying up pro shop. We have a bunch of new footjoy hydro light rain hoodies. They are in stock. It's a fresh take on rain wear 100% waterproof, generous half zip. We got the new rowback layers as well.

They got some, I got a really good fleece pullover. I stole out of the suitcase that Casey brought to Texas as well. So all kinds of great gifts for avid golfers in there, the club glove travel bags. There's titleless four players for golf bags on there, new putter covers from handcrafted golf. All kinds of great stuff going on at the No Laying Up Pro Shop. You can go to store.

Dot, nolayingup.com to check out all of the great things that are going on there. Christmas is coming up. you know, start maybe putting together a little wish list if you want for the holidays. So thanks so much for tuning in. We will be back next week. We'll see it Tuesday as well. And tune in Wednesday night for the premiere of our upstate New York video. Crack on.

Cheers.