No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1091: Fall Events That Slap + Great Dunes

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Soly and TC catch up on the news of the week as Matt Fitzpatrick wins the DP World Tour Championship while Rory wins another Race to Dubai. We also show our appreciation for the Butterfield and other fall events that seemingly always punch above their weight, talk through the week for the LPGA, assorted news and notes including JT’s surgery and the publication of PGA Tour financials. We close with some thoughts on our recent trip to Great Dunes on Jekyll Island.  Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠ Support our Sponsors: Titleist Rhoback SoFi If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. I mean, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langa podcast.

Sali here, joined by my guy, T.C. I hope you guys are watching this one on YouTube. He got me so good with the hat. I hadn't seen this before. It just got me really good. Hello, T.C. Sally, I think I've worn this hat one time before. I got some nasty, nasty notes from people before they realized what it said.

It says no water, no inclusions. And there's no vowels. It's upside down for those that are not watching. Upside down, big, you know, smallish slash big letters. Just the tribute to our guy. I mean, I spent an uncomfortable amount of time trying to read it, try to see what, see what it says. And I'm mad I didn't get there on my own. But we got a lot to talk about DP World Tour Championship, some cards given out as well from the top finishers on the DP World Tour headed to the PGA Tour.

The Butterfield Slaps, I'm ready to, I'm ready to promote it to Slaps status. I mean, it just, we get conditions there frequently enough. I'm excited to talk about that one. Cambridge the LPGA, the onica events, some odds and ends. We have some PJ Tour financials were released.

Justin Thomas undergoes surgery. We're going to talk a lot of things here on the back end. Before we get to that, quick recap of results from around the world. Matt Fitzpatrick won his third DP World Tour Championship playing a ProV1X, if I may say, eight of the top 10,

eight of the 10 DP World Tour players earning their PJ tour cards were ProV1 players. Adam Schenk won on the PJ Tour, playing a ProV1. Lynn Grant won on the LPGA tour playing a ProV1, the Japan tour, the Sunshine Tour, the PGA Tour of Australasia, PGA Tour champions, all ProV1 or ProV1 X players. The best players in the world don't leave anything to chance, which is why more than 70% of them around the world this year count on the performance, quality, and consistency

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Stick around for that. Solly, I started marking my ball. I found this sharpy. It's got like almost a glow in the dark yellow, just color to it, hue to it. I started marking my ball with that. It's so distinctive. I'm in love with it.

It's because I haven't figured out how I want to mark my ball in perpetuity. I would like to have it turn into my true signature, my calling card, just, you know, so I've been kind of experimenting there. I might beat team yellow ball eventually also. I mean, just for that feeling when you walk up to the fairway and you know which ball is yours is a really, really great feeling, especially when you're looking for balls as often as I am. TC, the DP World Tour Championship slapped some great golf this week, kind of all around the

professional golf world. Matt Fitzpatrick wins the DP World Tour championship. Rory wins the season long title. Rory had a three shot lead over Fitzpatrick with just so. seven holes to play. I caught up on the highlights this morning. Ludwig was involved. Lori Cantor was doing stuff.

Fleetwood entered the scene. Justin Rose was stuffing it on par fives. Rory gave one back at the par 412 to fall back into a tie with Lori Cantor at that point. Fitz comes in, Bertie's 13, 15. Bertie's the par 5, the par 518 to get to 18 under par. Roy actually bogeed 16 to fall all the way back to 16 under and two shots back. Tommy had a look at Eagle on 18. It barely missed.

he finished just one shot back that guy just continues to absolutely flash I think he's the best golf in the world right now oh it's just not get carried away I want it's trying to get fast to the next sentence so you didn't try to work that in there and he skipped Rasmus near guard Peterson well he's yeah he we'll get there

we'll get there Rory had 2.31 into the par five finisher hit this awesome little choked up on what I believe was a five wood he caught the good side of the ball splitter in the middle of that green got a great read off near guard's eagle put and then rolled it in for Eagle 15 feet 11 inches did it again to tie to force another

playoff in the DP World Tour with an eagle on the par 518th proceeds to drive it in the creek in the playoff the creek that bisects the fairway ends up making bogey to fits his par this fits his third DP World Tour championship golf course is super entertaining way better than the other course in Dubai I just really enjoyed watching this one I couldn't agree more there's there's centerline bunkers down the street I think it's the Earth course at the Jumera Estates designed by none other than Greg Norman, the shark himself. Cool creek that runs down the 18th hole. It's like you got to make decisions both off the tee and with your second shot,

which is not always the case in pro golf and it's definitely not always the case in desert golf. Some of those pins were really fun too. Like the par five second, they had to tucked like almost like Greenskeeper revenge tucked all the way in this far left corner in this tiny little bowl. Like, you had to work to get at some of these pins. And, and yeah, great. I mean, man, Fitz, for a guy that you once swore off the Ryder Cup team,

like went out of your way to say he's not on my team, what a freaking back half of the year he's had and finished he's had to the year and to outlast Rory the way that he did. I'm stoked for Fitz. Fitz was kind of just like falling off the discussion in golf in general. He was obviously rose to being one of the top players in the world, won the U.S. Open in 2022 and was on his way to just kind of not being thought of or talked about

and has totally battled his way back and found his game. And he's had, looks like he's headed back towards being, I would say, a top 10 player in the world. I say that without having checked what he actually is. But he was 24th as of before this victory. We'll see what he rises to.

I would assume somewhere in the top 18 or so. He is 14th. It was 14th in the date of golf rankings coming into this. So yeah, he is knocking at the door to get into that one. but yeah very good like second half of the year kind of uh july onward really got on his horse yeah he finished from jill basically i mean finished t a to the pGA uh t8 at the rocket this summer then t4 at the scottish t4 at the open t8 windham championship uh this fall in the dp world tour t6 5th t5 at the british masters the omega european masters the bmw pga championship now

gets this win uh and i mean yeah rory gets another DP World Tour championship title. And I lost, how many is a seven? I think it's more than that, isn't it? Really? I think it's like four or five in a row. I was reading about it today because he called, I know he had talked to Seve's,

the great man Sevy's wife prior to the round today. Then I think they named a, a, uh, it's the race to Dubai. He's won, yeah. Okay. It's this eighth time winning that. Okay. I think he's won shy of Monty winning it.

Tide or beat Sevy now and he's won, one shy of Monty for, total race to dubies or you know european tour kind of season long championships so and they named a award after him as well uh for lowest i i think like best performance in the four majors basically they tied it back to race to dubai points but um you know 30 36 year old rory has a that's an award named after him when he keeps just winning dp world tour championships without trying that hard He doesn't play that many D.P. World Tour events, obviously, he cleans up in the majors. And, I mean, the ones that he does play, he just absolutely dominates.

He played four this fall and plays five to start the year, kind of with nothing really in between. And the co-sanctioned Scottish Open there in the middle. And won the Irish Open, of course. He won the D.P. World Tour Championship last year. I guess it's only, I'm looking at this. It's five. he doesn't even play that many to start the year. He played one to start the year,

and I was looking at four previous starts that he had at the end of 2024. He just keeps winning these things. It's kind of crazy how easy he makes it look. And, yeah, just winning him on the heels of, I mean, I guess he put in a lot of good work before the Ryder Cup, so you can just kind of keep that going. Curious to see how ready he is at the beginning of the year,

January, February, into March. Or if he kind of takes, some time off here in December and really well he's got Australian open and Australian PGA he's playing both of those isn't he down there? I think he's I know he's playing open I don't know if he's playing PGA but I think after

that because that's what first I think first weekend or second weekend in December and then he's like I would imagine he shuts it down for a good five weeks after that till the Dubai Desert Classic that's something I feel like he always does that though but

I think he's got any of the golf channel games he does something like that you know he's going to try to peak for that but you're right he's not playing the PGA but he's playing Australian Open at Royal Melbourne December 4th through 7th I know a lot of us are greatly looking forward to that one few other bits

from this tournament or kind of the end of the DP World Tour season Eddie Pepperall had a great video on the DP World Tour feed Eddie Pepperl securing his DP World Tour card back that guy's been through a lot of ups and downs over the last several years he was highly emotional about that and just always a guy that is great to listen to, talk about golf,

and something that we always have rooted for here. So congrats to Eddie, super pumped for him there. Yeah, thoughtful human being and one of the guys that just makes it human, right, makes you root for him. And yeah, he's had a great kind of great, great bounce back here. And then I think, like, looking at this tournament specifically, Lori Cantor is playing good golf. I think he's up inside the top 70, 75 in the world.

You know, he kind of left for live for a little bit there and just kind of faded away. And he's back in the scene. So you just see him playing well. Well, you've got to be stoked about, you know, a clique accomplishing, you know, a former clique, like a clique graduate accomplishing. Once a clique always a clique. Right, of course, of course.

But accomplishing things out there. He is one of the 10 guys who has secured a PGA tour card through the DPEC, World Tour. I feel like we revisit this, I guess, I don't remember how many years this has been, but I feel like this is around that time of the year where everybody just throws, you know, lobs grenades at the DP World Tour for sending its 10 best players over to the PGA Tour. It's only the second year, right?

Is it only just the second year? Okay. What's the, what's your take on that? I don't have a problem with it. I mean, you know, their best players are going to have eyes for coming over anyway. It sounds like there was an Amen Lynch column last month about just how much that the PGA tour is tossing over the DP World Tour to underpin a lot of those purses. We'll talk about tour financials here in a few minutes, but definitely interesting just to see the trajectory of that relationship. I think it's going to get interesting over the next few years as does the tour say, all right, we're not getting enough out of this and we're having to kick.

too much money over and or you know and and hey we can do this more efficiently if we just stand up our own tournaments worldwide or are they going to deepen the relationship and and you know really really make it a lasting one so um you know like it's a funny mix of up-and-comers like you know Marco Penge or uh keedanakajima Rasmus near guard peterson getting getting tour cards then you've got you know the lorry canters jordan smiths uh Alex Norens who've you know who've kind of bounced around worldwide uh you got halton lee got his as well john perry 38 year old you know so there's it kind of runs the full full spectrum of uh of dp world tour you know veterans uh you know up and coming rookies you've got christopher wrighton adrian sadier so yeah it's just it's a it's an

interesting group. I'll be curious to see how many tournaments they play in over here or if they kind of keep a foot in both camps. I think there's like I think they're pretty far down the priority list as well. DJ touched on this last week. I think there was only two of the 10 graduates from DP World Tour last year that were inside the top 100 and set to set to keep their card for 2026. So this feels like a stronger group to me. I mean, Pinch seems like the real deal. Right tan definitely seems like he's on the way up noren i'm surprised he hadn't already kept his status on the he was i think he was um i think he was kind of like a foot in both camp and he could he could kind of do it other way injuries too didn't he yeah but i think i think i think he kind of said

hey i'm going to do this through the dp world tour and and then had the you know had had had the wins what he had two wins this this fall i think so and we asked keith pelly when he was on the podcast about like, all right, yeah, what is the deal with this? And look, it, it's kind of one of the offshoots of just being like a member run organization. Like, essentially, it's an offering you give your members for playing well. Like you will have a ticket to the big dance to the PGA tour to make even more money, right? Like when talking about serving the interests of their members, that was something that they considered to be the best way to serve them was. Finish top 10, you're going to have opportunity to play for a heck of a lot more money over on the PGA.

tour. Does it serve like the short-term needs of the DP World Tour, like ship off your top 10 best players? No, but when the other tour is underpinning all of your salaries and you're kind of in the state that this tour is in, unfortunately, it's just a very different world than the European Tour was in even 20 years ago, even less than that, maybe 15 years ago. So it's a new landscape and it's not for me to say, are they better off just going with the Saudis at this point because I don't know what the future of that would even look like and I don't really want to think about unwinding all of that. But yeah, it's interesting, Amy Lynch's column as well on just the SSG considerations around global golf in general. And it's kind of one of

those easy things to come in and say, wait, we're spending this much money on another tour. Like, what are we getting out of this and what the future of this looks like? I have absolutely no idea. I did see the DP World extended their deal with with the tour through 2035. I assume it was probably set to expire and I don't know if it was 28 or 29 or whatever but another five or six years on that too. So they said they got that going for them. There's some stability there on the commercial side overall.

Did you see the long drive challenge they had using the world's smallest golf club? I did. I did. You know, Sally, this is another perk of being of being a member. They're right. You get the opportunity to do stuff like this. I'm pulling on the leaderboard here

if you're watching this online. One player cleared 290 yards with a small, I have extremely small headed driver that was like the size of a golf ball. It was really small, right? And Rory was second at 279 yards. There were some tops directly into the water. You know, kind of the median on this list is Justin Rose, 11th place,

257 yards. I assume this was yards. I went digging on this. I don't think it was meters. And I don't know. if it was carry or total. They didn't really give out those details, but obviously the ball going a lot less far

with a much smaller, riskier driver. Hmm. I mean, yes, this is on the exaggerated end of the spectrum, but I mean, gosh. What is this a driver for ants? I mean, it's just kind of a layup for this technology discussion, though, of like, well, yeah, of course,

like go back to 460 Cs after hitting one of those. And, yeah, I've continued, this goes in a special folder that I have on the desktop of all the evidence of like, yeah, something needs to be done here. Everything they bust out one of the persimmons and do this challenge as well, it's just very obvious to me. But I was disappointed in Tommy. You got, I think he topped a couple or had a couple bad swings. And then he got almost 250 yards. Big shot, Bob, not big driver, Bob. 190.

I think he did that right-handed if I was, I don't, I did not see the whole thing, but I heard that he did that right-handed. That's actually really impressive. Right. So I just wanted to, wanted to save your boy there. Elvis, Smiley, not sure what happened, but 11.6 yards did indeed get him to. Honestly, like, props to these guys for doing it. Yeah.

Like, there's so many guys in the PGA tour that would have been like, no, this is outrageous. Like, why would I do this? It's going to mess up my swing for the rest of the season. like so many guys like oh yeah for sure gonna mess up my swing for the rest of the season let me yeah i stand by it i mean some guys would have definitely skipped it i don't know if it would have been because it's going to mess up my swing for the rest of the season it's be a good training aid if anything i mean if you can hit that one you got to be able to hit the big boy driver it was like the um how what was it there was there was the the the

of there was the medicus that you didn't really have balls with that one and then there was there's a small putter that you can use like like one of those tiny little yeah almost center shafted putters that you can use to really work on your but yeah i i love that stuff i think it's cool well if you listen to dr sasha mackenzie would tell you doesn't matter where on the face you hit it so that that tiny putter one i don't think is going to be uh maybe we need to look at putter technology next that that's interesting oh there was a yeah there was a big big thing If we're going to get into that now, we could even. David Ducek had a big, big thing this week in golf week about just the demise of the blade putter on tour.

I think the top 10 guys in the world all use mallets at this point. And so I was using a mallet. I've been using a mallet putting really well for the last three or four months. And then I went up to tree farm end of this past week into the weekend. And the greens were really fast and I put it horribly with the mallet. I just felt like I didn't have any touch. And then I went back to the blade

and I was great again. It was, it was bizarre. So I'm kind of like between the, the mallets, but also the zero torque, you know, the lab putters. I know I think Scotty just came out with a zero torque version as well. I know Taylor Maids got one too now. Like there's very much,

it just seems like the, the genie's not going back in the bottle as far as the putters go. Like these guys, there's definitely something scientific there from an alignment and kind of raising your floor, you know, kind of just fact there, right? Well, that's where I'm, again, doing some of the prep for to talk to Sosho about putting. I read some of his actual research work. Like the real research stuff that makes your head spin, like the N plus X equals X cubed squared, and all that, like, I was just said, oh, my God.

So when I stand up, I'm like, yeah, I'm just more of a field putter, man. You're like, you kind of sound, you kind of read that and you're like, oh, well, okay, you just actually have no idea of the actual technology that goes into this. But if I'm summarizing it, the basic conclusion is just like you are more likely to leave a toe hang putter open, like through impact, right? And some of the more technology that you add into it helps you keep the face closed during rotation, which is obvious to a lot of people, but that to me was just like to see the data behind like all of that happening is you know it uh I think there's something to

this too man like where I don't think we are always watching the best putters in the world anymore especially with all of the information that's out there about ball striking about hitting it far like I think we're watching the best putters of the best ball strikers and relatively speaking to to their peers these guys can use all the technology and the help that they possibly can and the technology and the help is clearly more in the mallet than it is in the blade.

And that's just probably where things are going to probably continue to trend, I would think. I mean, even Tiger into his later years with the blade, he's one that made the blade famous. I'm sure he probably, you know,

he didn't make the blade famous, but I'm sure his influence impacted us as kids. So Dusick talks a lot about that. He's like, yeah, the most famous putter of all time. You know,

Tiger's, somebody cameron, Newport. Like, you know, and just the stark decline in how many, you know, how many classic style blade putters are being sold to recreational golfers at this point, too. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's, I mean, look at what I don't think it's as simple snapping your fingers, but I mean, Rory switches to a mallet becomes a much better putter, says out loud, Scotty should switch to a mallet and Scottie becomes even more next level player. like there's there's obviously something to it i'm in kind of a hybrid now the fact i use the studio fastback and i've loved it on fast greens to your point i have not put it as well on slower greens

because it's got an insert and it just kind of which i like and it kind of softens impact a little bit but um to your point there could be something to the blade for your fields on on faster greens that makes sense in the mallet makes sense on slower greens so yeah is like it's you know fast Bermuda probably rolling 12 and a half 13 and especially on those on the long lag putts you know when you're on the green and then the 10 to 12

footers that are a little bit downhill or they're more of a feeler like I know it sounds like I'm saying I'm a feel a feel player but even alignment wise I just straight back and straight through on those where I just feel like the ball I just have more control over the ball coming off the face on that one versus say on the kind of the phantom you know the phantom mallet that's just heavier yeah it was interesting

i mean i guess i hadn't really thought of the trend as much until i read that article of of how much it really i didn't realize the top 10 players in the world all used a mallet but yeah and jason day is kind of the the you know the one that like going back to really getting people's attention a lot when he started using that spider like that seems like kind of everything's traced back to that as far as because like i'm not sure what you would consider the the odyssey two ball or that sort of thing back you know in the in the mid 2000s well yeah that's been there but i like day day being like the best putter on tour with a mallet like the best putter on tour be having a mallet was a new thing uh newish thing around around the day the day period

but yeah Dustin johnson became you know he was one of the best players in the world if not world number one using the mallet so interesting article i appreciated that one before we get into the butterfield fall golf is here you already know at roback our go-to for polos hoodies joggers pants all of it's best fit best feel simple as that the rowback delta pants are our favorite pants they got stretch elastic waistbands it's a game changer gives you extra room for added comfort it maintains the best fit possible it's smooth wrinkle resistant easy to pack you roll it right out of your suitcase and you wear it right under the golf course they're comfortable to wear the Robeck Fulton vest.

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I don't know if his hands got above his. waist on a follow-through the entire back nine. I mean, that dude was just going through it, 30, 40-mile-an-hour wins. He was putting one-handed at one point this week. He wins it by one over Chandler Phillips. I was kind of doing a couple other things and just we all kind of hovered around the TV when he got to 17, par five. I don't know exactly how far he had in, but he could have got there.

And the wind is just absolutely whipping. It's down and a little bit out, mostly off the right, but a little bit. bit down. And I couldn't figure out what he was going to do. And he ends up, like, laying up from the fairway. And I do not think this ball got more than 10 feet off the ground. I mean, he hits just this. And I thought he topped it when he, you know, when he hit it because I didn't have the sound all the way on. And they don't have shot length down there. So I don't know what the actual distances were. But he just was hitting these abbreviated, like trying to survive, get the runner over shots all over the golf course. And he goes on and wins it by one. It was riveting

television, man. The Butterfield continues to slap. I don't know how. It was good all week. First of all up there. Solly, they're north of us, northeast of us. Kind of off the coast of the Carolina is there. But yeah, it's like it was windy. It's

like it's a weird golf course. It's got all sorts of interesting hills and ups and downs. Interesting leaderboard too. There was a big wave split between kind of the AM and PM guys. They sent them off super early on Saturday. Sunday.

Yeah, but shank putting putting left-handed. And I was reading about Adam Stanley had a piece on PGA Twitter. One-handed, just not left-hand. Or sorry, sorry, putting one-handed. And Adam Stanley had a piece on PGATor.com about how he was just, like, he hasn't had a great year. And he was in the, he was in the hotel room. And he was just kind of messing around putting one-handed.

And it was, it was breaking towards, it was breaking towards the ocean in the hotel room, like one direction. And so he had. like multiple breaks in his hotel room. So he's kind of testing it out. And he's like, man, this is, I think I'm just going to do this. But then, like, it got too windy for him to keep doing it one-handed. So he was putting his other hand just on the, on the very, very top, barely touching the club to kind of mimic the sensation, but, you know, stabilize the putter a little bit more.

It's really fascinating. I mean, Shank had an awesome season. What was that? Two years ago. Almost one of the house bar. It was that a crazy playoff or crazy finish the Valspar a couple years ago. And then he had a couple other like really good top fives that year. He played well with the players too.

And then ended up, you know, had kind of downturn last year and then not a great season at all this year. And here he is. So like the fall like, yes, that's what the fall series should be is the Black Desert and the Butterfield. And, you know, no offense to the Sanders. center like i i want weird places with either striking vistas or crazy conditions and this has both of those i mean some of the the views there you get i mean the finish is just really really good uh it's look it's not the top names it's not like appointment television on friday but it sneaks up on you every time man it's uh it almost always gives you a really interesting good

finish and watching guys try to execute shots in that wind at one point uh shank had a five iron from 1.30. They caught all of the audio, too, of his entire conversation with his caddy. And they're like, I don't think six is getting there. Pulls five still didn't get it there from 1.30. And it's just, that's golf, man. Watching Chandler Phillips and Max McGreevy were in the fairway bunker on 18, you know, trying to, uh, if Phillips could have made birdie, it would have put him into a playoff, a tie into the playoff. And, uh, just watching them try to execute shots out of that with the wind, absolutely howling off the left. Takumi Kanaya was over there as well.

He blows it right of the green. Great week for your boy. He moved up 21 spots as well to 99th inside the bubble looking to keep his card there. But it's just that's that's golf, man. That's really good. I wish I didn't know they moved up tea times and I flipped it on way too late and I missed a lot of it. It had to catch up on it. But it was, I mean, we turned the football off for a while and everybody in the house was watching the golf.

It was good. I just don't understand. I still don't understand what. the how this tournament works as a business proposition with a like it's a million dollar for you know it's a million 80 thousand for to first place it's still a big purse yeah uh i just don't know how they're funding that or i know that some of it's you know it's it's some of it's butterfield some of its tourism dollars all of that but but yeah it's just i don't know i i'm glad it exists though what is butterfield is it it's a bank oh it's yeah i'm sure it's a bank

or insurance. Financial Services Company founded in headquartered in Bermuda. So I'm sure there's a tourism play there. There's a tax shelter play there. Yeah. I don't know. It's a good tournament. It really is.

Again, it doesn't have the big names, but I laugh at it every time it's Butterfield Bermuda Week, and it feels like it's going to be one of the worst weeks of the year. And it just never is, man. There's always something to that. I would argue it's top half. definitely one of the tops of the fall series through the fall series doesn't have many

weaknesses there's not a lot of clunkers there's really not what is the what's the lowest of the low of the fall series let's see here and again we're grading on a different scale here of course like it's obviously we're not like the top 50 players in the world playing in a lot of these so i would say the one the one last week or the yeah the one last week the beaumante Kaba won. For sure. That course sucks. Yeah.

Worldwide technologies. Not asking any sort of interesting question of anyone. Yokohama was awesome, the Bay Current one in Japan this year. That was a new course for him. Sanderson, you know, I feel bad shooting on Sanderson. I think it was like that was actually a pretty interesting tournament to watch this year. But, you know, Mississippi and early October is just not, not what we were talking about as far as, vistas and conditions

and then the pro corps is always fine it's a good good start to the to the slate I don't know I'd love to see him go to like I know it's crazy short I know it's like 6,400 yards but go play mid-ocean too like make it a split

split way of thing you know they love doing that having two course logistics is something the PGA tour loves to it but there is going to be another addition to the fall series next year in addition to the good good championship.

The Biltmore Championship has been added at the Cliffs at Walnut Cove. This will be the week before the President's Cup next year. So interesting in this kind of period of like, hey, we need to shrink the schedule. We need less tournaments that we know of now, two tournaments that will be added to the to the fall series next year. Yeah. I think it's a Nicholas course. A, happy for Asheville and just Western North Carolina generally to

you know get kind of a tourism win there and a nice nice feather in their cap following big storms last year was that last year or two years ago just one year uh yeah yeah it was last year yeah and and and you know for that matter it should be pretty spectacular as far as uh it's what september 17th 20th maybe a little bit early for for leaf for leaf peeping and such but um but yeah i think you know all I'm all for more golf in the Carolinas, just generally speaking. They join, I read this in the gulf.com article. They're joined California, Texas, and Florida as the only states with three annual tour events. It's a four-year agreement as well between the Biltmore State agreement with the Biltmore State and Explore Asheville.

We'll look forward to that. On the LPGA tour, Lynn Grant cruises to a three-shot win over Jennifer Cupcho at, gosh, I've tried to memorize the name of this tournament. It's got way too many. It's the Onica driven by Gainbridge at Pelican. We should do a draft of the most ridiculous names of tournaments and that's going to get drafted in the top five, I think. Final round 60, if she bogeied 18, three putt at 18 as well, to shoot a final round 65 to win by three.

Shot rounds of 68, 63, 65, 65. It's her second LPGA tour win. I love watching her putt, man. Her putting stroke, I was just, I was catching up on the high. and just I kept rewinding her putting stroke of just it's it's like um what are those things called where you uh the balls that you put on the desk where you you hit one of them and it the other one pops out the end that's that's the image I have in my head of just like the tempo that she has through the ball uh it's it's it's so freaking good Newton's cradle new that's it's it

newton's cradle it's big in the 90s that was a huge thing second LPGA tour win you you've been hyping this girl for a long, long time. Maybe you would have... I had to step off the hype. You had to back off. Yeah. Yeah. It was, you know, I think now she's into post-hype sleeper.

She's kind of like a Sam Darnold type of... I like that. Like maybe a Vanilla Vic, Daniel Jones type of, you know, just didn't have the success we're anticipating, but now it's happening. Also, it's not very consistent either. She's still only 26. But when she does play well, she just blows, blows fields away. Like she absolutely, it's not like, I mean, what was the mixed event that she won by like seven shots or something?

The Scandinavian mixed, yeah. Yeah, she won that one by nine shots in 2020. She wanted by so many. I guess they got rid of it after last year, two years ago. I was going to say she wanted by so many. They just ended the event. She won it again in 2024. Only won that one by one stroke, but.

I think that was the last iteration. that end of the tournament a couple other notes Natalia Guseva hold out from a hundred and nine yards on the last hold to shoot 68 to move into the top 60 for the CME championship this week Lucy Lee also shot a 66

to move up 13 spots to number 58. Brooke Matthews made a hole in one to win a Lamborghini and advance to the tour championship it was sick it was electric it was absolutely whipped in from the left and and then yeah the

Winner next week at the CMEE Tour Championship gets a $4 million paycheck. And it's every woman for herself. There is no staggered points. There's nothing. It is 60 people. Winner takeoff for $4 million next week. What do you think Nellie is out into the, heading into the finals? 13th.

Ninth. Okay. Doesn't matter. Yeah. I saw Jennifer Coucho won the on the Aon Risk Reward Challenge. Oh, I missed that. A million bucks there. Yeah.

She finished second place this week as well. What are your thoughts on the on the sponsor exemption that was dominating the timelines this past week? I thought she played better than I thought she was going to. A lot better, especially round two. Kai Trump shot 8375. She did finish last. and she finished plus 18, the next worst was plus 12. Yeah.

I don't know. I've like, I don't know if I'm getting older. I'm getting less angry. I just, I struggle to get really upset about sponsor exemptions anymore. That is, that is new for you. I don't know what to say about this. I'm kind of sad about this. I was getting mad at the ones that were more.

like they're messing with the integrity of the season-long race, right? You know, it'd be one thing if they were bringing someone in that was 135th. Because I think Anika chose Wake Forest, either junior or senior who won her collegiate event. The Gainbridge chose someone else. And then the club, the Doyle family in the club chose Kai Trom. And listen, it generated a ton of publicity, you know, not all of it good. Caitlin Clark was there again, but I don't think it's the kind of thing that the LPGA needs to be doing. It's not the kind of publicity that they need.

They need, you know, kind of long-lasting eyeballs and... Which it wasn't the... To your point where you're saying, it wasn't the LPGA that did this, right? Exactly. Yeah. So it's kind of, you know, it's tough to get, like, it's, like, this is one of the, better capitalized events on tour. I think it's like the fourth or fifth largest purse

outside of the majors on the LPGA tour. It's just tough when it's the second to last event and they're trying to make it into, you know, one of their version of like a signature event similar to how the founders was or, you know, and it's ladies scratched and clawing to get into the CME, you know, tour championship. And you've got kind of a side show going on.

I don't think that's great for things. but at the end of the day, I also, like, I don't, like, you know, a lot of people that are complaining about it, like, I haven't, like, haven't watched the LPGA all season. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I guess I have a foot in a couple camps with this. I was checking scores Thursday, Friday more than I would normally, right? And I follow the LPGA, I would say, relatively closely.

So that's hard to argue that that's not a positive thing. But it is, it is, it is, it is, it is. right it's it just feels like it is done for the wrong reasons i don't even mean politically i just mean like i saw way too many stats on twitter about how impressions were up and all of the slideshow stuff that just makes me cringe because i know it is a side show it's not it's it's it's it's all up not because of the l pGA tour product for any reason it's up because of you know turning it into a bit of a circus and i truly honestly truly mean nothing politically about that like it's stick to sports

never mind that it's the same people that say stick to sports are the ones celebrating this the most but it just like she's not a for those who don't follow it closely she's not a top like high school player she's not a top AJGA player She's not in the top 1,400 in the world

amateur golf rankings so it's there is like I am pro Steph Curry playing these events I'm pro Tony Romo I think it's interesting to watch like top pro athletes and other sports that are really good at golf, like try to compete on that stage

and give a reference to how good the real players are. This one was just a tough one, man, 18 years old and just has a massive social media platform and does YouTube golf and all of that, but like it just felt off, man. It felt really off and it felt like

it needs to be called that and said that before the LPGA turns into more of that, right? Because it just gave me just gave me weird feelings all week. I don't know. which it detracted from the the news of the week in my opinion massive I was I was off the grid Meg Higgins actually texted me she was like this is unbelievable we did it and I was like sure enough she was like they're not going back to the carlton woods they're going

to they're going to memorial park the Chevron championship for those that you that did not hear headed to Memorial Park and away from Carlton Woods we have had, it's been quite frustrating in the last several years since it moved away from Mission Hills out in California to this random golf course outside Houston

that does not get the support. And we, people in the media are just supposed to treat this event like it's a major and just kind of nod and play along. And every time, every single hole in the broadcast, they have to remind you that this is a major championship because none of it feels major when you're actually in the moment. And B, you can't, you can't hear the audio over the leaf blowers in the background.

Like the landscaping crews just doing their, doing their, you know, weekend maintenance on all the yards in this, in this subdivision. We got so many upset messages from Carlton Woods members. The community doesn't really even come out like the Houston community doesn't come out to support the event because it's so far away. and the average it was bad it was really bad and now it's leaving and it's next year like next year the chevron is being held at memorial park i was when i saw the announcement i'm like oh it must be 2027 things like no it is going there in 2026 a golf course that we really like kind of piggybacking a little bit off the uh the the the texas children's hospital whatever i i never remember the name of that tournament as well but the pGA tour event that's been there in the fall as well it's it's a it's a it's a

spring event now the tour events the spring event now it is it's in it was around the masters now but it's now uh going to be held april 23rd through 26 uh and that's the it's a month after the houston open at memorial park that sorry that is what it is Texas children's Houston open at memorial park uh so they're having two tournaments there in the span of a little over a month but i just imagine we're going to get so much more community support uh at a place like that than some random suburb like Carlton Woods was. And this is a great big development. For the mea culpa we've given for the Evian,

and now that we're us being pro Evian, we might have to celebrate that there's five majors now if this slaps. And you have predicted that this golf course will slap. That was one of your predictions going into the year that I think this past year. So I would imagine you're going to be in major support of this one. It does. I think it'll slap more for the women than it does for the men even too. Obviously a Brooks Kepka co-design with Tom Doak.

And now if we could just get him not to overseed, that would be even better. That seems extremely unlikely with two tournaments being played there in the spring. But it just props to, props to the new LPGA commission, Craig Kessler, for getting this done, for just doing what was right for the product, doing what was right for the tournament and then building out from there. I'm like, all right, let's get the tournament right. Let's get the venue right.

And then we can figure everything else out from there. Whereas before it just felt like, all right, this is like, really this is the best we can do. And it's not going to get any better for the next few years. And so to be able to renegotiate stuff and break contracts and get Chevron, you know, to kind of see the light here. Awesome. It's like just hopefully a sign of things to get to come with certain things on the LPGA tour as well as PGA tour just generally too. Like just golf in general. Like, you know, there's there's traditions that matter and that are that are worth.

safeguarding, and I think there's stuff that's worth breaking and trying new stuff on. I think this was one of, you know, certainly in that bucket of, hey, let's, let's break this and try something new. Yeah, it kind of seems like Carlton Woods was that meme from Billy Madison, where Steve Buscemi's crossing names off the list of people to kill. We can cross off Carlton Woods now, you know, we've got to get Valhalla crossed off there in perpetuity as well for majors. Bell Reeve, I think we've got to get crossed off for, in terms of major championships as

well, we are going to Belle Reeve next year with BMW Championship. It's fine for, just like Quill Hollow. It's fun for a TV at a tournament, you know. It's not a major. It's something that has to be different. So moving on, let's give a shout out to our friends at SoFi, the ultimate finance app for sponsoring today's SoFi. Get Your Money Right Moment.

Go to sophy.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with SoFi Plus. I'm taking this one this week. It was an article from Josh Carpenter. Sports Business Journal. PGA Tour, their $9.90, their financial statements are released. Their tax filings, if you will,

PGA Tour Commissioners. Jay Monahan's total compensation in 2024 was more than $19 million, according to the Tour's annual tax return that was filed this week. Also, Ron Price, the Tour's CFO, who announced his decision to retire nearly a year ago, had the Tour's second highest compensation in 2024 with 134, with $13.2 million reported on the tax return. Captain Ron, I think that's just Jay chipping him off for going and speaking in front of Congress a couple years ago while it was out in steamboat.

And then, I mean, Ty Votah is still on there. Ty Votah hasn't worked there in a few years. He's still pulling down 150 grand a year in retirement. We did get to. Aside from his, his, you know, Like, that's just a straight payout aside from his retirement pension contributions. There are notes as well that support the executive compensation. It just notes that the commissioner's compensation as well as Ron Price's compensation is determined by the management, development, and compensation committee of the PJs Policy Board.

The committee utilizes an independent compensation consultant to advise them in determining the appropriate amount of compensation for the committee. based on the competitive market, as you'll note, a substantial portion of the commissioner's annual compensation. Approximately 86% of it is at risk and is subject to his performance against objectives established by the management development and compensation committee. It's an interesting read. Like, you know, every year, I probably spent 45 minutes reading through it this afternoon, uh, A, looking at all the different charities that received money from the tour and the various tournaments and just how the, uh, it was. was in from a uh like they list out you know who the recipients of the biggest checks from a

like non-charitable uh perspective and number one was was was was NBC for services rendered you know NBC universal again this is 24 so this is pre uh spin off as well of golf channel and versent and all that stuff but uh number two was scotty sheffler well it's like 68 million or something something like that. So, I mean, he's almost up in, you know, and then like, interestingly, I didn't see CBS in there, which I'm assuming that's just because CBS's stuff is underpinned through the actual events themselves. They're running that stuff through the, like, through those events. And then most of the stuff that the PGA tour is paying NBC, you know, now, now Versant for,

or Versant for is Corn Ferry Tour coverage and, you know, some of the lower level PGA Tour events or Thursday, Friday stuff, like stuff that's more built into the actual media deal from an umbrella standpoint instead of, hey, we're CBS and we're getting Saturday, Sunday of these particular events. We will sell against those ourselves. Tiger listed as, so all the player directors on the policy board are listed there and their compensation as well. I'm still trying to figure out how he made, I think it's $28 million from the tour. I know he won the PIP, but, you know, that's one of those that sticks out.

There's got to be, these things are not done willy-nilly. They're not just handing Tiger money under the table, but it's just all interesting to read all that spelled out as well. There was a lot of going around on the Everything app from some of the smartest people you'll ever read about the tour losing $500 million because there was a change in structure, of course, in the tour in 2024, which makes the revenue amount on their tax filings is presented differently than it was in 2023. The revenue in 2024 showed $760 million, which is a drop from $1.82 billion in 2023. But due to the change in structure, as I understand it, and again, this is the auditor in me speaking, and I have not audited these financial statements, but usually there's a massive

explanation written out in an act if this was a public company this would be listed out with like here's why there's this difference and it is undoubtedly because the revenue is being recognized differently and being represented at the profit level of p of the pga tour and not at the 501c6 so these these financial statements this this 990 is representing only occurrences at the 501c6 level uh the expenses drop from 1.89 billion to 1.21 billion i can not explain why the expenses are so much higher at the 501 C6 level. But the only thing I know to be true, just based on common sense, is the tour did not lose $500 million this last year.

And a lot of the, you know, various salaries for, you know, key, key executives, key personnel, you know, a lot of the VPs they list, you know, it looks like they've moved a lot of those, especially all the, you know, PJA Tour entertainment, all like a ton of those. the salaries over to the enterprise's arm. So, Sally, from a future-looking perspective, are we going to get less information from the tour with this move to a for-profit? Like, will they need to, you know, be as transparent

because they're not filing as a 501C6 at the enterprise level? I don't know the answer to that. My gut is to say that we will not be seeing financial statements for the five for the enterprise at the enterprise level um i could be wrong there but i you know i'm sure we'll get sprinkles of stuff over time but i i can dive into that this fall and get an answer for you on that but i don't i don't uh i would think it's probably fair to say that we will not be getting as much public information as possible but it's also just fascinating to see kind of how they structure you know the offices in europe or which are mostly licensing based or the offices

in, you know, like they no longer have the Malaysia event. So the offices in East Asia or seeing that line item for, I think it's just under or just over $2 billion in kind of securities and retirement plans in the pension. It's a pretty substantial, substantial chunk of change there. Well, again, I got this from one of the leading financial minds on the Everything app at Phil Mickelson did weigh in as well to say assets totaling 3.8 billion but sold to SSG based on 12.5 billion valuation. I wonder where the other 8.7 billion is that was factored in. Just kidding. That was rhetorical. I already know.

Which as we all know, just your straight asset value, that is your, that is the value of your company, right? There's no projected growth of any company ever. All companies do is sell for the exact valuation of all the assets that you hold. so anyways that's that's from from the from the investor that brought you stable offshore uh hey wait shouldn't he be saying that that it should be worth he said it's worth assets are 3.8 billion but there is the other 20 billion in NFTs that they never cashed in on so if anything they sold it at a discount because they should have 23.8 billion in assets there I think it'll be it'll be interesting to see what happens to moving forward if they if they can nest all of Jays golden parachute stuff into the enterprise stuff or because they did list all

of the payments that various officers were getting whether they were from enterprises or from or from the 501 C6 which was interesting like basically to say all right here was their total compensation and we put fair market value on you know personal use. of the jets and all that stuff as well. But yeah, I'll be very curious. Like 2025 should still be a pretty representative look at things. And then I imagine 2026 and onward will be much more of a black box. And it is, I mean, it is, I guess I hate to rush to, you know, defend this as well.

But like the footnote there is interesting of like there's an executive compensation committee that's agreed on with the policy board. Right. And basically says like, yes, Jay made a talk. ton of money in 2024. I think it's well documented. We are not of the opinion that Jay navigated this, this nightmare very well over the last several years, and it's been made apparent that these being replaced here.

But a lot of players made a lot of money, and that's essentially where the executives are also going to make a lot of money, right? That's where these two things have been at odds for quite some time of like, is what brings us the best product and entertains us most as fans going to be what the players want and what the executives want? No, and that's probably why things have. looked the way they have for quite some time because fans have been left on the outside

as everybody else around us gets rich and they run a million commercials and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's the explanation for why the money's so big. I mean, they're incentivized to follow one thing to create as many playing opportunities as possible, chase as many dollars as possible, and they got them in the door and got the players paid and got themselves paid.

I would argue Jay was pretty grossly overpaid or relative to other sports leagues at how much those are valued at like Adam Silver's compensation versus Jays and I would argue that the number two at the PGA tour Ron Price and I know some of this was just bonuses going out the door but holy shit $13 million for Ron Price

for for you know the number two like that's insane and I think that's I would be furious of those it is the total amounts are insane but it is an agreed upon structure that they haven't And I don't know, we don't know the details of what that is, but like it is independently manage and consulted on and it's agreed upon if, if blah, blah, blah is met, then this means blah, blah, blah comes in the door. And it is the majority of their compensation is based on that, is what the important, is the total

outrageous. It totally is for somebody that essentially lost their job to make $20 million. It's just, it's incredible. And some of the, yeah, and, you know, total compensation over his time period to tour will be probably upwards of $180,200 million once it's all said and done, which is crazy. But the, I also don't think we should act like the policy, like the players felt like they had a great sense of or control over the policy board, right? Because the policy board is the players as well as the independent directors.

And, you know, I think the players were, we're unhappy that they felt like, oh, you know, what like these guys aren't necessarily representing our interests for a while there so we'll see what happens moving forward it's going to be interesting i believe it's estimated that the information we have the the the pj toork did take a loss in 2024 but it was about half the size of the loss that it took in 2023 which i think was around 62 million so somewhere around 30 31 million is range is the loss which that was a lot bigger of an issue before they had SSG funding i think i mean they do not have a blank check to just go do whatever they want but uh to give away as much money as they have in past years to have this executive payment structure as it is and to have only had

suffered a small loss still represents that the pj tour is in strong financial shape uh yeah and i think the i saw it at tc i saw people comparing it to live losing 500 million dollars a year this past i saw it on the everything app and it just i don't spend much time on there anymore but it does remind you that that stuff does exist it is uh i respect the people that are still out there doing it, man. They are definitely doing it. I've also heard that the Champions Tour, aka the Olds, are not losing money.

Like, they're pretty much, I don't know if they're breaking even, but they're not just a complete hole in the bucket. And they're, you know, and that the tour is able to devote more resources to the Corn Ferry Tour as far as, you know, that's a money losing proposition, but that's an investment.

Sure. In the product and in the future. whereas the olds are you know they're kind of doing their own thing but they're they're paying for it you know out of out of their own bucket which I don't want any handouts out there it's just great uh yeah also congrats to stew sync on that note for for winning uh he's the 2025 champion of the old uh out at at phoenix country club today beat uh stephen alker who kind of bobbled it down the stretch uh thanks to get to our friends that so five the all-in-one finance app for sponsoring this week's get your money right segment you go to sofi.com

slash nl you to learn more about how you can get your money right with sofi plus if you want to nominate someone for your get get your money right segment in the future let us know in the comments uh this one was a bit of a bummer justin thomas undergoes back surgery said he'd be dealing with nagging hip pain that had gotten worse in his time off um presumably since he had competed in the 2025 rider cup on thursday when it went successful microdicectomy which is described as a procedure to remove a bulging or damaged disc in the lower spine. He did not have a timetable for his return, would not say what the official, you know, first event back would be.

Does not sound like we will see him anytime soon in the next several months, but I had no idea that this was looming. I don't think a lot of people in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, was happening. But, uh, obviously a bummer for J.T. And could help explain some of kind of his fall off in the second half of the year I think he started the year so strong and looked like he was back back to the JT levels that

we had known for almost a decade there and tough subback for sure yeah microdicectomy that's just kind of the just kind of shaving off certain stuff on your vertebrate right you're asking the wrong guy I might maybe I maybe I should know this because maybe that's what I need but yeah it's not good I know cats had like 85 of them and that that doesn't lead to has not let us down a very good path. So minimally invasive surgery used to remove a herniated disc that is pressing on a nerve formed through a small incision using an operating microscope.

Huh. They were big in the NBA for a while. I just don't think if you'd asked us, I don't know how many years ago we'd be this world. We have such uncertainty with both Spieth and JT from a health perspective really as we flip over. into a new year. Guys,

they are not old. They're not old. They're in their young 30s. And it's just, it's barn. You want to take us through some other news and notes? Yeah.

I said, Adam Shupak, he's, I think he's responsible for two to three interviews a week that are, he's the most productive man in all of golf.

He did an interview in golf week with Wyndham Clark, who, the headline is ready to put shitty or pretty shitty 2025 season behind him he had some some stuff uh talking about the oakmont stuff he said what happened in the u.s open was the kick in the face to say hey wake up let's get back to who i am um you know it didn't take long for this season to go into a wrong direction find himself what he called a bad dark place i started spiraling a little bit mentally

and my swing got off you're searching for stuff trying to trying to try to something different each week. You know, I got to a place where kind of your score is everything. Your score you put up next to your name is, you know, you're defined by that. So I don't know, good to see him kind of looking in the mirror and taking responsibility and stuff. I don't think, you know, he said, I did something I regret. I brought it upon myself. Any negative press was self-induced and probably deserved.

It's a bummer that people don't understand the circumstances and whatnot. but at the same time I had to own up to it. It was a great reminder for the rest of the year that, hey, I screwed up. I learned a lot and it got me back to who Wyndham Clark is. So we'll see if you can. It's still just laced a little bit and like, yeah, it's bummer. People don't really know what happened. Like the circumstances are like, you just like destroyed a locker.

And I've heard that they're that they're not going to repair the locker. And it's going to be like a forever monument to just. Like, yo, like don't do that kind of stuff. and that the club plans on being extremely committed and hardline of not not allowing him back during the final year of his exemption was that 2033 I think that sounds right yeah so but but yeah just you know glad to see a little bit of self-reflection but yeah the whole like circumstances thing like man just just own it so um I also saw Bruce Heppler is retiring.

I think this broke about a week and a half ago, but I totally missed it. Bruce Heppler, a long-time golf coach at Georgia Tech, is retiring at the end of this season. He's been there 31 years. He's had 73 tournament wins, 25 all-Americans,

14 ACCC titles, 27 straight NCAA regional appearances, 22 trips to the NCAA championship, and five national runner-up finishes. This is per Ryan Harrington and golf. digest and he's like I think the coolest thing he's had a bunch of USAM winners as well I think he's had more than anybody he came I think he did a couple years at Oklahoma State and then went to Georgia Tech. But I say all this I went to Georgia Tech golf camp for a couple of years growing up

and he was and when I think the second year that I went to Georgia Tech golf camp my grandpa died when I was at Tech Golf Camp and like my parents like called him. And they were like, hey, we're going to come pick up Todd. He's, he's, you know, his grandfather who passed, like, who got him into golf in the first place passed away. And I just remember then, like him kind of come into my room at the dorms and telling me, but just, I don't know, like being a really, uh, just compassionate, like, you know, he was just there for me and kind of a tough, tough 25 minutes, you know, and waiting, waiting a few hours for my parents to come get me. and then we were driving straight up to Ohio. But yeah, I'll always remember that. And based on everything I've heard about the guy since then,

he's a good man. And I wish him well in retirement. And, you know, good luck here over the next five to six months before his last rodeo here at the NCAAs in May. Wow. That's a great note. I had no idea. Yeah, like I kind of saw that.

And I was like, yeah, I was like, oh, I remember him. I hadn't really thought about that for a long time. And then, yeah, a couple just golf course architecture and development notes. I'm not sure if you've seen anything on Cape Cod Country Club. Devereaux Emmett, they're scheduled to be a vote tomorrow with regard to local and regional government down on Cape Cod. The family that owns it wants to turn it into a solar farm, I believe. And it's a well-run golf course in great shape and I assume pretty profitable. But they, you know, and they've already done this, I guess, to a couple other golf courses that they owned.

So hopefully that vote is a nay vote. And, you know, that's that kind of public resource treasure out on the Cape. I've only played it once, but gets preserved for future generations. not a lot of great public golf out on the Cape other than the other than there's and the Cape's pretty big too that one's kind of like mid midway out there and then I saw Gil Hans

this was courtesy of Garrett Morris and Gil Hans is coming on as the consulting architect at North Barrick which thought was interesting Clyde and Clyde Johnson's been doing stuff for them it sounded like most of it was due to coastal erosion and kind of getting a handle on that stuff out

you know 10, 11, 12 of like those green sites there on the way back in. They've had some big storms here the last few years. And then I saw Tiger. There was a story that Tiger is potentially getting involved with the National Links Trust,

the Langston course, which will be the second one that they develop or redevelop after Rock Creek golf. I think Rock Creek is, they're pretty far along with the plans for that one. And then there's been all sorts of stuff with, like, demolition materials

getting deposited at East Potomac Golf Links or East Wing of the White House the last month or two. But yeah, so Doke's supposed to do East Potomac. Bo Welling is the connection at Langston and I assume Tiger's going to help him with it. And then Gil is doing Rock Creek as well. So that was all good news.

You know, good to see him involved there. and yeah just a lot of a lot going on in the world of golf right now from an architecture and development standpoint well speaking of which we made our way up to southeast Georgia one of many trips we're making to southeast Georgia here over the next couple of months but been following this project relatively closely the great dunes course of Jekyll Island Golf Club if you're unfamiliar to Jekyll Island it is nearby to St. Simon's Island which is of course where C Island is and where the RSM Classic is this upcoming week.

We filmed a video out there. This video will be coming out. I don't know the exact timeline of when the video will be coming out, but I expect full 18 holes from we played a little match at the Great Dunes course. But tell us about what that course was, what it is now, and what your day was like out there. Yeah. Gosh, so I hadn't been to Jekyll and forever, probably five or six years. There's a little Walter Travis nine hole course up there, right in the dunes.

great dunes is a very fitting name for it and we we had a couple junior or high school events down on jekyll as well it's like the the whole island is kind of state owned and um so you know development and any changes down there pretty pretty bureaucratic yeah so it's kind of i don't know great dunes has always just been this little almost curiosity novelty of a golf course you're nine holes, its own little clubhouse over there. Then there were two other courses, pine lakes and I don't know what the name of the other one was. They're kind of coming out of a main clubhouse.

Well, Jeff Stein and Brian Ross were enlisted to, I think they, they presented an awesome plan for the golf course of both rejuvenating and re, I would say, reimagining Travis's original nine holes there and then kind of stealing nine holes from one of the other existing courses turning turn in nine back into just forested wetlands and making a cohesive 18 hole course out of you know out of those 27 holes that plays up into the dunes and is public affordable right next to the ocean I mean it was I was blown away it was I can't think of anything else on the East Coast that is even remotely similar

with the exception of maybe the Palm Beach par three that's right on the intracostal for nine holes, right on the beach for the other nine holes. But just the, I felt like I was at Pacific Grove in spots. I felt like I was at spyglass in spots. I felt like I was at Cypress Point in spots. some of the best dunes holes I like some of the best par fives I've played all year it's it's very early in the grow in like they you know they've kind of they've done it on a

pretty tight timeline and I was very very very impressed and I know you were too yeah man it's one thing like I feel like people assume you live in Florida like you just you play along the ocean all the time oh gosh yeah you must just have so much ocean golf like there is no ocean golf in this area. And I know this is in Georgia, but it's only an hour and a half up the road. And it kind of feels like it's, it's still in Florida. But it there is, we kept trying to think of like, dude, we're, we have to be missing a comp here, like a comparable venue.

And I, we struggle to think of one. It's such an underdeveloped place in general. Like you get up along, you stand up on the ninth tee and several of those holes as you, as you kind of make the turn. That's not literally the turn of nine holes. But you get out all over at this point after eight and come back inwards. And you're just like looking out. out at the ocean and there's no houses between the golf course and the ocean.

There's just a road and it just it the sun hitting the dunes. You're playing on sandy soil and just some really, really, really good golf holes. And again, we saw it quite early. The drone footage from our visit and some of our footage, like you will see patches in the fairway still where grass has struggled to grow in due to some rains or could be any number of factors. And like once you get on the ground, there was no playability. issues at all. I mean, I think one, we said we're going to play it up just because there's

some patchy spots there now, but I think we had to move one ball the entire day. Like it just, it, you know, it's, it's early in the process and it still kind of stunned us in general. Like, at this time next year, I think this place is going to be absolutely rocking. The greens are fantastic. They have pass palham greens, really cool tiers to them, quadrants to them. Some of the best centerline bunkers I've ever played. I mean, just multiple holes you get up there with big bunkers that just make you think of like, dude, that's exactly where I want to hit it. Now, how do I figure out my way around it? And it, the fourth hole is just spectacular.

I mean, just a brilliant, brilliant, part three. It's like a 500 yard, excuse me, part five, like a 500 yard par five. And a great bunker that you have to avoid off the tea. And then you hit up into this, this green that's protected by two different dunes perched up. And then once you cross over that, you're looking out into the ocean, almost like four abandoned. like it's it's just epic man i just looked up and you can you can book morning tea times at this golf course for $135 which that's not cheap by all golf standards but for what you are getting out of this golf course that is incredibly affordable golf and i'm sure there's cheaper rates to be had at

different times of the year and different times of the day as well but man it was it was awesome and it's you can clearly tell the nine holes that were a part of the original Travis course and you can tell which ones are the kind of connector holes. But those holes were great in their own way. And it almost, I thought it was going to feel more tacked on and more unnatural. But the greens, I mean, we got to the second hole at a front right pin with just this massive like Redan kicker in the front right of it. And you're just like, you're in the right center of the fairway and you're like, gosh, this is the wrong spot. Like this is just wrong.

I need to be up the left to get to this. And it could have been a complete nothing hole in just a connector. and it got you in a different mindset like right from the jump man and I've been thinking about it a lot since we went up there and I've just like I try not to overreact to it as I tend to do to golf courses I like

but I want to make it back up there and play immediately some conditions some real wind a little bit of cool air up there if you are within an hour of this place almost ever I would recommend going out of your way to go play it it was really really fun yeah I think the like the second hole

was an absolute standout for me I mean, yeah, same thing. It felt like it was going to feel either too cute or just taped together a little bit. And I liked some of the new holes as much as some of the old holes. And, yeah, it's like cool, cool hogsback, Dune going into, was that eight or nine? That was eight.

This par five that, I mean, the hogs back, it's hard to describe this. But if you picture like the 13th hole at North Barrack, which is extreme version of this, but like it's the pithole where you play on the other side of a wall. It's not literally like that. It's a par five, but like there's this beam,

like this berm, this massive like dune that runs alongside, like through nearsh the green, but it separates out the hole essentially. So like you've got to, and the farther up you get towards the hole, like you could,

this beam could, um, burn could kick your ball even harder away from it. Like you got to be really exacting with your shot. You've got to get over that with your second shot. And there's all this fairway to the left and short of it to play up that green. But you can't see anything with that shot from the fairway with your second shot. We had to work to try to find the pin.

And they got the small little pins there. And I mean, I've seen hogsback holes, but I've never seen one that had the hogsback run in that exact spot, like that close to a green and really divide it like that. It was just freaking cool. There's a cool, cool little tunnel that goes through the dune up by the green. it's it's like very very thoughtful yeah i think it's i mean i think a low-key like not secret it's just like there's not a lot of great public golf in georgia say like the you know the

stuff at sea island is technically public that's resort golf and if you're staying at the resort like seaside's awesome plantations awesome like those are great courses um those those will be up there stuff at round's plantations good it's fine uh The fields over in LaGrange is awesome, but otherwise there's really not a whole lot of good stuff around Atlanta. I think this is already like a top five public course in the state of Georgia, my opinion. Just as far as interesting, thoughtful routing and like the potential of it is through the roof. And so congratulations to everybody there that like I can't imagine how difficult it is to get a project like this from concept to completion at the state. level at a state-owned and operated property.

And, you know, it's the amount of red tape and regulations and conservation. Just coastal stuff in general. Like, that's why this shit doesn't get built anymore. And it, yeah, it's, it was one of a kind, man. When we turned from four to five, five is this little part three that runs alongside the road. It's not overly special, but it's just a really cool setting. And the wind was absolutely whipping. we got there. It's just like, dude, I don't know the last time I did it a real golf shot like

this. Like, hey, dude, this ain't this ain't about the number. It's about the shape. It's about the trajectory. It's about getting the right height on it. And it exposed me. I did not pass the test there, but it was just like it, it just, it's scratched something that it, you don't get scratch very often in this part of the world, man. So I got a lot of questions about posted a picture and got so many questions about it, what it's like. And I would say already excellent. And it's not at it's peak yet. I mean, the greens aren't fast fast. It's been open. Two months, right? Yeah. It's not going to be peak peak this winter, but it is 100% worth checking out already. Absolutely. And just know you're seeing it not in its final form. How about that third,

the par three, the third hole, the little saddle par three as well. Let's get back up there this winter, man. That was that was on our list of courses to check out this year. And I'm really glad we did. And I'm looking forward to people seeing the video. And honestly, if you go there, eat at the It was one of the better golf course restaurants I've eaten that. It doesn't look like much. It's called Trubuzio's Grill. I had this, I had, like, local redfish and shrimp that was unbelievable. Sandwiches were great.

Service was great. It's like a little hidden gem, man. I was blown away. So we had two spinach and artichoke dips because they were so good. It was, it was a great, great little day trip. So, yeah. And you went up South Carolina this weekend. You play a lot golf team.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the tree farm took, took three. buddies up there and played 72 holes, stayed two nights. I had a couple tour caddies on the bag too out of nowhere. Got John Davenport who caddy for Brian Harmon for a few years and Sepp for a long time. And I was on Grayson Sig's bag. He was awesome. He's like just a just a total dude. Great, great catty. And then Tony Navarro who was in the caddy Hall of Fame who was like

catty for Slugger White when he first. I was like, who was your first bag? He was like, I was Slugger White for like first year. He made like $8,000 the whole year. He caddied in the crazy, I mean, he caddied in like every big tournament for 40 years, but he caddied in the original players championship when they had it at Sograss. The wind year?

Yeah. Like we talked about that for like three holes. He was like, oh yeah, he was like Jim Dent came off and he shot 71 and he's like, that's the best round of golf I've ever played before. And yeah, you know, one was Sevy. down in New Orleans one time

he had some great stories about that he was on third leg Gregs beg for a while too oh for 16 years Jesus 16 years he knows that long yeah so I like I asked him who like what the what his favorite you know his favorite tournament

they ever won was and he was like honestly they all mean a lot but the players in 94 when when Norman just boat raced the field So Zeller, I think, was three or four back, and the next closest guy was like another four or five back of him. And set the record, you know, low round of the tournament or low round of the day on Sunday, shot 63 first round, like just an absolute master class. But yeah, just that and what a, it's just a lovely guy.

Like, so, so soft-spoken and he's getting ready to be a grandfather, his granddaughter's, do here soon and it was such an awesome surprise i was like he was like hey i'm tony i was like tony defarro i was like really okay we're doing that today it was just yeah it was like one of the for like a golf nerd yeah it was just one of the coolest coolest little like aha moments of like wait oh it's that tony that's fantastic uh well we got some more golf to be played this week we're and do a little trip. We're going up to Seattle and play the Monday, the pro-am of the RSM this week.

And then a little surprise, the little surprise filming on Tuesday, more to come on that one, hopefully before the end of the year. But that's going to be some fun. So obviously we have the RSM this week on the PGA Tour, CMEA Tour championship on the LPGA Tour.

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