No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1094: Tour finales, a new top 100 list + The Park

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Soly, TC and Randy run a three man weave on the pod tonight covering Sami Valimaki’s win at Sea Island and Jeeno Thitikul claiming the LPGA CME Tour Championship. We also touch on Harris English hinting at a massive tour schedule shakeup for the 2027 season, some odds and ends from the LPGA season and potential roster movement on LIV. From there, we break down the newest golf.com top 100 list as several courses make their debut and some notable names moving up and down the rankings. We close the pod with a chat about our trip south to see The Park in West Palm and a TGL site visit as well. Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠ Support our Sponsors: Titleist The Stack SoFi If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sali here, three man weave tonight. Got my guy, T.C. Hello, T.C. Hey, Sali. Just another thriller of a Jags game. They just can't be beat, man. They're just unstoppable. They're so good.

It's not at all smoking mirrors. I love it. Joining us as well from the Mountain Time Zone, Mr. Big. Hello, Big Randy. Hello, guys. Solly, you know, you're talking three man weave. The key to a good three man weave. got to stay wide. We got to communicate. We got to throw the ball. We got to catch the ball.

And then we got to finish at the basket. We got a lot to talk about. What are we going to talk about tonight, TC? A lot going on in the pro golf world. Of course, we had the CME tour championship down in Naples. A big payday there for Gino. We've got the RSM, all sorts of cards on the line there. All sorts of hot stove stuff going on and live. A lot of live news going on. Just, you know, some, you know, a trade, a kind of relegation, a signing, all of that stuff. Sally, we played some golf down in West Palm. We put some golf up at Sea Island. And we put some golf kind of in the metaverse, if you will.

And then there's a new world top 100 list out from golf.com. So a lot going on. We'll get to it all. And Jack Nicholas, the Nicholas companies declared. I honestly, the Nicholas companies declared bankruptcy, I was like, I don't even remember, is that Jack or is that not what Jack's affiliated with anymore else? Like, I really honestly lost track of who actually won that one or lost that one. Yeah, and Jack, who knows if it's Nicholas companies or not, Jack is going to redo the golf courses at joint base Andrews Air Force base up there too. So, crazy.

I feel like we've been looking for some stuff to happen this fall and it kind of just all fell this week of all weeks. But winners from around the world, Sammy Valamaki wins the RSM Classic. As mentioned, Gino Titical wins the CME, group tour championship. Hoselle Baster wins the Piff Saudi International. Probably messed that up as well. But listen, if you're getting to the holiday season, titles is going to make this very, very easy for everyone. If you want to shop for any golfer in your life,

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I know. I didn't want to break that news. I didn't want to, you know, throw it out there that I was flirting. I only lasted like six holes. We played the pro am up this past Monday at the RSM

and I wanted to mess with it. I only lasted about six holes. It took one four iron that only flew about 182 into a slight wind that I was like, okay, I don't think this is the right fit. I kind of,

I still need something that's piercing. but I might mess with it a little bit more but I still think the ProVee one is the right golf ball for me but I'm flirting I'm thinking about it at the RSM which is where we're going to start Sammy Valamaki TC we saw him on Monday evening we got Southern Seoul after the Monday proam

saw the Big Finn roll in a little bit after us had a great meal and goes on to shoot 66-662-65 to open up a two-shot lead going into the final round held off Max McGreeby by one shot with a final round 66 made a two-putt birdie on the 15th after hitting is that mini driver he has or is that a driver off the deck that he hit it was a big wood he hit into 15 is all I know and it landed like a wedge on the green that two putt and then a great clutch up and down he made on 16

that involved making about a 20 foot par put the wind moves Sammy up to 50 first into the first two signature events on top of the two year exemption just a rare delightful week up at sea island the course was under attack i think the cut was like minus seven uh but not not the rsm classic we're used to see in but happy for for sammy uh a former got his car to the pga tour through the dp world tour been a lot of controversy about that in the last couple weeks as there always is this time of year or tends to be this time of year and now is a two-year exemption he's going to be around for a little while yeah the big volumaki

we need to get him on the rider cup team you know there it is Novak came out swimming in this week, too. I know you're sweating it. Solly. No, he, I mean, he's got a good year. Um,

he's a big dude. He is. Like just a, just a girth. He's kind of like if, if Zach Blair was like six foot two or six foot three and they kind of look alike and stuff. It's like big and little version.

See, I think he's, I think he's finished Barstall Big Cat. I think he looks like big, like Big Cat from Barstall. I see that every time he comes on the screen, not really in the mannerisms. but, you know,

it becomes the first golfer from Finland to ever win on the PGA tour as well. Had some of his buddies fly in from Helsinki. I was wondering, as they rushed the PJ tour post about afterwards, they rush the green afterward and are celebrating with him. I'm like,

who are Valamaki's dudes that were available on short notice to be in St. Simon's Island to celebrate this win? And sure enough, they flew over from Finland. How about that? That's a one world alliance, too. Finn Air. I was going to say, what's that route, T.C.?

Yeah, probably Dallas. Dallas, Atlanta, you know. Yeah. You know, maybe D.C. But, yeah, this was, like, he had a T2 at the Mexico event, which I didn't watch any of the Mexico event just because that course just doesn't do it for me. Like, it shouldn't host a pro tour event. That was the playoff that was like a complete disaster.

Like the tournament that just would not end is some of the worst, most exhausted golf you could have seen. That was the world looking about Sammy Velamaki initially. Yeah. But he had like he was T2 at the at Cron at the Omega European Masters, T8 at the Danish Golf Championship. I know these are big events in your your book, Sally, T7 at the at the Myrtle Beach event, fourth at the Houston Open Memorial Park Slaps. So a wide variety of golf courses.

Mexico was last year that we were referring to. he was T2. That was 2024 that he was T2. No, well, he finished T2 again again this year. At the Mexico open this year? No, no, at the worldwide technology. Oh, at the worldwide. Oh, the worldwide. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. I was thinking of the Mexico, the one, the playoff with Ben Campbell, I think it was, right? Yeah.

Gotcha. Brian Campbell. Ben Campbell? Brian Camel. I don't know, man. It's been a long way. Who could say? Ben Campbell went to live. That's a different guy, right? Yes. Yeah, that's a British guy, who I think went to LSU. I think he's Australian. Ben Campbell golf. Can I just say he's Kiwi? He's Kiwi.

Please, Randy, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, you know, you mentioned he's the first person from Finland to win on the PJ tour. I think that's pretty cool. That's always something that, you know, what a feather in Sammy's hat. and I was digging a little bit I'm curious where's my guy Sammy from and apparently he's from Nokia Finland which then naturally led me to think

oh is that where Nokia the phone company is based and turns out they're based in Espoo Finland so for those keeping score at home Nokia is not based in Nokia but my guy Sammy's from there and that is cool good on him how was sea island other like nice to get up there how was how was how was the mood up there Monday when you guys went up I cannot emphasize enough how good the weather has been down here for

the last like month it's just been unbelievable like no wind no humidity no it's just been like in the 70s it feels like Santa Barbara you know almost so it's it's it's been wonderful uh we talked to Davis and Mark Love, you know, on, on Monday night, um, you know, courses in good shape. It sounds like there may be some, some renovations upcoming for the course. Uh, and I think it seems like that tournament's in pretty good shape. Like RSM's got another few years on their deal. They're super happy. Uh, it, that's like a perfect fall event of just, it's a nice place to stay.

Players like it. It's a pretty agnostic golf course as far as doesn't really favor any, any, one style. I love playing seaside and implantation's fun too. But seaside, it's just the back nine at seaside is like one of my happy places. Yeah, I think it, it's kind of one of those places that I'm like, oh, really, you're redoing it. And then you start looking at it.

You're like, yeah, you know what? They could do a few things with this. Like, you know, I don't know the extent of the redo. But I mean, when the wind laid down for these guys this week, I think I looked up at one like Andrew Novak was like 17 under par, not even finished with this Friday round yet. Like I thought, I thought we were going to be headed for. 30 under par this weekend. The wind didn't even blow that much this weekend. It blew a little bit harder today, but it's a par 70. I mean, plantation is 71, but like seaside's a par 70. So it's not like

they're just tearing up four par fives here either. I'm not even sure if I didn't mention this right now that it would have even gotten mentioned. Doug Gim shot 60 on Thursday. Like I know the low scores don't even garner a mention anymore, but it's it's really pure. And when the wind lies down, these guys go out and get it. We play with Jacob Bridgman on Monday. And like we roll up to our, It was our third hole, the 12th hole, par three. And, man, you stand up the wind's off the left, maybe even a little bit into. He's got 223 to the flag on this part three, and he hits probably a four iron or five iron just underneath the whole rolls in the birdie. And I just remember staying on that team, he's like, God, this hole looks so hard.

And he walks off the green. He's like, yeah, I love middle pins, man. And it's just like, he's thinking birdie from 220. And it's just, I know it's a different world for these guys. But we had a great time with him. He was, he was pretty impressive in his game. And he was, he's a top 30 finisher last year. He's two year exempt, but wanted to get a start in to close out the year and kind of an easy guy to pick up and root for.

I didn't get a chance to tell him that he was, you know, the butt of a couple jokes come toward championship time this past year of how that might have been. You and Frankie Borrelli. I think Frankie Borrelli was shitting all over him too. Who the hell is Jacob Bridgman? I wasn't shitting all over, man. I was just saying worst case scenario for the tour. Yeah. To shift to the final 30, you know, to winter take all.

have been Jacob Bridgman winning and not Scotty Schaeffler winning it. But I was, yeah, I was wildly impressed with his game. Just like no weaknesses. He seems wise beyond his years. Seems like he does all the right stuff. It was almost like playing with Russell,

like a younger version of Russell Henley, but with another 20 yards in the tank. It just really just does it just. Yeah, he's just like, man, you're doing the right stuff. And like I would buy stock in that guy if I could. And just nice guy is catty G-dub, really, really cool as well. Great day out there.

Yeah, it was a, it was a really nice time. The rest of the, uh, the RSA, obviously there was a lot of, a fair amount of drama. Is it, let me start here, T.C. Is it overblown the drama around these, the cut lines here around, uh, around tour cards at this point? It has been controversial. It has changed from 125 fully exempt cards given out to now 100. But the gap between 100 and 101 is not nearly as extreme.

as it's being told to us or being presented to us. You're basically, if you're number 100, you are exempt into all events that are not signature events. If you are 101 through 110-ish, you're not subject to reshuffle, and you are getting into a lot, if not all of the non-signature events from there. I get that there's a fun, you know,

that's a storyline and that's something to follow. And there is, there was a lot at play for other guys, but I just doesn't, I don't know, I just, I'm feeling like this is being a little bit overblown. for that drama between the top 100 and not yeah i don't think it's ever as neat or as clean as they want to make it out to be of like you know in the past it's been 125 versus 126 our friend zack's been 126 twice he talked about that this week but also in those years that like after zach finished one 26 he still got 19 20 starts you know so it's so it's not like some black and white you know

dire thing if you are you're on the outside looking in they're just they're just tightening the margins i think so instead of you know i think if you finish 126 this year versus you know 111 like that's probably a bigger difference like like i think 110 versus 11 or 1111 versus 112 it just seems like they're just scooting the that neighborhood up a little bit right but it's not but they when they change the structure of the tour to have the signature events to have events where these guys are not getting into anyways it kind of shifted where that cutoff was going to be anyways regardless of what they call fully exempt or not it just that that change moved the line so it's more of a formality to move the cutoff from 125 down to 100 and again you're still going to go down the list of

101 102 to get into events as it stands so every week's going to have a cutoff in some way that yeah it's it's it's fun and neat kind of tidy story to be like this is for a tour card and this isn't for one. I get that. But yeah, if you didn't finish top 100, I mean, Lee Hodges finished just outside the top 100. He still has, I think, four minor medical starts remaining, and he just has to do okay in those, and he's going to get to keep his card, right? And again, it just kind of, this whole thing ladders back to this. Lee Hodges had some comments of like this past week, Adam Schupeck interviewed him and just about feeling like, basically, he said this before he almost jumped into the top 100, but like I don't feel any pity for anybody that doesn't finish

inside the top 100s. I feel like in this conversation, it gets lost that like, yeah, you're not in the top 100 because you didn't play good enough. Like, there has to be a cutoff at some point and it's not charity out there. And if you would have beat the other guys at golf

with the many opportunities you got, you'd be there. And I guess I feel for the people that were close that worked really hard that didn't get there. And there's disappointment in that. But I guess I push back on the fact that the system is not rewarding

good golf. Yeah, I think if you're finishing 140th, you're probably like, all right, I'm going to go to Q school in a couple weeks. I'll go to Q school finals in a couple weeks and try to avoid having to play corn ferry tour because I think that's where it gets really dicey. Like I think if you're in the top 120 or 125, so you're going to get enough starts to parlay those into, you know, some good play into more starts and more security. Because basically the top 100, like even the guys inside the top 100, they still.

can't like pick their own schedule because they're not getting into the big events that they want to get into you know that that the top 10 from the fall series are going to get into and the top 50 from last year and so I think it's one of those things that like there's you know there's two tours right there's the there's the there's the fully fully exempt tour where those guys literally picked their schedule and it's the old wgc tour it's it's you know hey I'm going to I'm going to play pebble I'm going to play, you know, players. I'm going to play all these, you know, all these courses and then play where I play well at. And then it's, it's, you know, the other guys are I have to play well or I have to play where, where I can get in, even if you're in the top 100. And then, and then you're,

you're kind of picking up the scraps and playing the Detroit's and, you know, the Myrtle beaches and some of the island tour stuff, you know, outside of the top 100. But even then, you're like you're going to get enough starts so i think to your to your original question like it's i think it is a good storyline it's it's still you know like that's how guys measure themselves right am i you know where did i finish the previous year like was that a successful year but at the end of the day i don't think it's as consequential as they make it out to be i guess where i'm at is it's it's messier story to tell but it's more consequential at other levels other than 100 to 101 yeah you know what i mean like that makes sense yeah

Yeah, but it's really hard in the, you know, final couple hours of a television broadcast. This guy's now 11th and he's not subject to the reshuffle and blah, blah, blah, and Randy, are you in support of 125 down to 100? Yeah, I mean, could they go farther in your mind? They could certainly go farther. Yeah, definitely. You know what I was thinking was there needs to be this, this, the, you know, the meme of the Grim Reaper knocking on all the doors. some of the biggest platforms we've held over the last several years like are getting knocked down. One of them being like, all right, you know, less tournaments.

That one seems to be coming. We'll get to some of Harris, English's comments here soon. Less cards. That one's coming. Hey, Chevron's got to move off of Carlton Woods. That's coming. Hey, LPGA needs to reinvest in their broadcast big time. Hey, that's coming.

Like, what's next, guys? Let's keep coming up with these ideas because they are starting to get ticked off here as the years go on. I'm very like I think next year listen we've seen the schedule for LPGA it's kind of a similar story we've seen the schedule for LPGA we've seen the schedule for PGA tour they both look pretty similar to this year I think come this time next year we're going to be looking at the schedule for each

and be like whoa like there's a lot of change here yeah I think that's the hope yeah let's get the let's let's have a LPGA Masters at Augustus Holly that's going to be the one I'm going to start bang in the drum floor. Or an LPGA event at TBC Sawgrass. Or Sawgrass, yeah. Those are probably the two most marquee courses

that we get to see the men on, really like anywhere in the world now that we don't, as things stand, we'll never see the women play. We need better ladies setups too. We can get to that with CME this week, scoring down there. They're just...

This is on me for bringing up LPGA, but we will get there. I promise on that. And let's, I'll get back to some of the, some of these consequential card stuff. Can we get to Harris English's comments now that are in line with, with the schedule here? So this was, you guys didn't tell me this. Was Harris supposed to say this? Because it kind of seemed like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Harris was supposed to be the spokesman for throwing this out there.

But this is not a secret. This is what conversations have been like behind closed doors and kind of something we've, we've intimated for, for years now that has the possibility of come to fruition. But to a long question that I'm not going to read Harris answers. Yeah, I think that's what they're going to change down the road, maybe in 2027, is have all the tournaments be equal and not have the eight elevated events and the regular events. They'll have 20, 22 events that are all the same. Like, that's a good model to have. That's where you'll see all the top players play every single event because you can't really afford to take one off.

As it goes for the elevated events, like I love, even if they weren't elevated, I'd probably play all of them. I have for a long time. Pebble's the only one I really didn't play for a good amount of time. My career is because of where it fell in the schedule. I love playing on the West Coast. getting off to that start playing a lot of events over there and get your season off good we'll see where it goes i think uh the more go where 20 events are all the same all the points all the money everything the same and hint in a different answer i think it was he hinted that uh the season

wouldn't start till after the super bowl uh as well what's tc what's your reaction to that sign me up i dig it doesn't feel like you know i i've heard the they may co-sanctioned duby and make that a, you know, kind of the start of the season for guys who want to play worldwide and fold in a few more of the DP World Tour starts. But no, overall, yeah, sign me up for all of that. I think making it to where there's, there's a cost associated with skipping an event beyond the signature events. Like, hey, you know what? Like some of these guys are going to play all 20 of them. You know, if Scotty only wants to play 13 or 14 of them, that's fine. I will be a lot more effusive about it if one of those 20 events was in Australia,

or if one of those 20 events was, you know, I got a proper links course in England or a Heathland course in England, right? I think there's like making it to where there's, there's a balance of events that's not in the U.S. that's, you know, goes beyond the Canadian Open and the Scottish Open, basically. that that's where I I'm with you obviously but I feel like that's where it gets into a little bit more wishful thinking of where this is I think it's heading in a super you were saying direction yeah well keep asking for stuff I totally agree keep asking for stuff I don't picture the roll app era being the return to like golf architecture and and golf course like strategy things I think it's it's headed towards a a they're going to improve the product I believe believe that but I don't think that's necessarily like the direction a non-golf guy is going to is it's much more domestic and corporate focused uh I would think but which is kind of hard to imagine considering how domestic and corporatized it already is but big did you have something

that there yeah I was just going to say the West Coast swing I feel similar to Harris in those comments like it's my favorite part of the calendar so I think the only thing I would be interested in is if we're keeping the traditional stops, I, you know, I have to think pebbles in there. I have to think Phoenix is in there. I think the question would be the Palm Springs event. You know, what are you going to do with that? And this is kind of, it seems like the writing might be on the wall. We might have seen the last of going out to Hawaii.

I think that's, I think I'd just take that to the bank. Yeah. We overheard some of that as well up there on Monday. And it just seems like, yeah, that's, that's night night on that. It feels like, and RIV, of course, you know, that that's the other crown jewel out west. And then you kind of, I don't know, maybe you move west straight into Bay Hill and Sawgrass and you can kind of skip, what would that be Honda and, you know, some of the early March Florida events that, you know, candidly, yeah, just don't seem to have a ton of juice. But I'm all for starting after the Super Bowl. I hope the women go this way too.

Like, I just think golf needs a bit more of an off season for its own good. Like, it's okay. Let people miss it, right? Like, I want to miss pro golf. I want to like, hey, when's it starting? I want to feel excited about a new season coming up. And I just, with the calendars that we've had on both tours, we just never get that. And it just kind of feels like this one endless loop that just keeps going.

and so I'm all for more of an off-season. Solly, where, like, how do you view, like, I know the falls its own thing, but do those, do those other tournaments just fall off? Or do they get absorbed by the Corn Ferry Tour or? That's a good question. I don't have the answer to that, but I think what Harris is describing is what I've been long after, which is a, and call it whatever you want to call it,

but there's a championship series. Like there is the 20 to 22 events, and I have to think that includes the majors. I don't think it's 22 events plus majors. I could be wrong there, but that seems like a lot of events in a, and again, we're talking about condensing the schedule.

So we're going second week of February, is it? Third week of February to before Labor Day being done. Like that's a lot of events plus the majors in that time period is one. But I don't think the FedEx Cup or whatever it has to be has to be like the race for status. in the race for a championship can be separate races. And it's blended into one thing right now into FedEx Cup points. And I think like that now we're talking about

to what you're asking, those other events that don't fall into this championship series can be for a lot of money. I mean, the model is basically proven. If you're going to have companies like RSM put up the money for a tournament and pay out a $7 million purse, like people are going to play it.

People pay way smaller purses on the cornfairy tour, right? So how they classify that? is it, I doubt they call it corn ferry tour. Does the part of the corn fairy tour graduate up into that next level PGA tour tier and part of the PGA tour events fall down into that tier? I don't know how they would classify it, but the mandate still remains the same for this organization, which is to provide playing opportunities for professional golfers.

Like that's not going to, you know, I know there's a for-profit model in there, but under the 501C6 trade organization, like that's still going to be what they are mandated to do, right? So I think it can clean things up. It might sound really complicated now, but when it roll, because we've just pictured pro golf continuing on the way that it has

because that's what they do and they just keep lapping one thing on top of each other and that ends up in this mess that we're in. But new guy comes in, breaks it down, tears it down to the studs and rebuilds it. Might not look exactly like we'd want it to, but, and there's some of it. I'm bum, they may not be going back out to Hawaii.

That is the million dollar question, though, I think, T.C. of like, well, are they just not going to play golf in January? That seems unlikely to me, but also is Century and Sony and American Express going to put up a ton of money to not be in the championship series is also a different question.

And farmers, their contract is up. They're up anyway. As well. So does that event just, it's kind of clean, though. If you get rid of Hawaii Amex, I don't remember when their deal runs out, but then Farmers deal is up. Like, it's not the, it's not the

hardest breakup to make in that part. And so then the non-premiership tournaments, they still happen, but they just don't count for FedEx Cup points, right? Or they just don't count for the season-long race, I guess. I think the other thing is how do you, how do you sell this to CBS or NBC from a, you know, they've bundled all of this together. It gives them consistent programming overall. How does, you know, how do you sell less inventory?

to them, but also not take a massive haircut. Hey, we're going to sell you less inventory. We want more or the same on the aggregate for it, but we're going to give you less of it. You know, it's that scarcity thing.

Does that kick in immediately or do you have to work your way back up to that total number you're getting, you know, and just get more per event after, after you've proven the model? Especially because NBC already gets the shaft as it comes to signature events. I mean, they basically get the point.

players in Bay Hill and sometimes the playoffs like it uh it so like taking their tournaments down a peg is you know taking vowspar down a peg taking all those others uh is i'm sure doesn't go over swimmingly but also they've been mailing it in for several years so i don't feel bad randy to your point on the west coast i think there's also the opportunity to go back out to the west coast in you know for playoffs or go up to the northeast to great golf courses for the playoffs of you know like hey let's take the bm w championship to chambers bay or let's go you know let's do some stuff that's like the playoffs are back out of pebble or like there's no reason they can't go to pebble for twice a year or why don't you know other than paying nex why don't you break

phoenix in pebble spot and then move pebble to a play the playoff and let's just only go to pebble during the best time of year to possibly go to pebble like it's funny i'd almost posit how fun would Phoenix be and like you could sell it as a playoff event. I'm with you wouldn't want to go there in July. No. That's the Denver guy talking here. You don't live in a place that gets hot in the summer. But I think you're

right. Like I think we would all love if the playoffs were played on, you know, what we consider more world championship. How about the playoffs at RIV? Yeah. There's no way the Rolap era is going to have playoffs at TPC Southwind. And I

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I don't have any other ways of describing how real it is. I really don't. I really, really don't. I'm sorry. Other finishes here, a solo second for Max McGrievey, drained a long birdie putt on the last. It did, unfortunately, knock Ricky Castillo out of the top 100. He had a solo third and a final round 62, and that's a lot. Nico Echavaria, I know how to say that.

Lee Hodges. Nico Echeverria, Lee Hodges, and Siwu Kim, all finished T4. Rico Hoey had a great fall as well. He secured one of the 10 spots that are available with spots 51 through 60 to get you into the first two signature events that knocked out Jordan Speeth into the 61st spot. So we get to do the Speed sponsor exemption discourse come February as well. So I greatly look forward to that. Solly, back to the thing about just like the number of guys that, or, you know, like the starts that go around and where's the cutoff, right?

Is it 100 or 111 or 126 or whatever? I think there's like, I was talking to somebody a couple weeks ago that said there's, like 35 or 40% of the starts in any given season go to like this just wide pool of two or 300 guys to get like one or two starts a year sponsor exemptions off of corn ferry or local you know local exemptions through the pga section or you know champs tour guy that comes down and plays a tournament that's kind of near and dear to his heart like there's so much more fat that could be cut or you know or or ways to serve the membership that aren't you know just drastically reduce like you can still

reduce the field sizes and certain and have the membership like playing pretty much the same amount of starts if that makes sense so also randy i had a question for you is sammy volumaki the best finish male golfer of all time oh god tc i i mean a better question would be like put me on the spot and name another finish pro golfer yeah come on yeah i mean i would say cleats legend kai samoya i would say sammy's got it right first one i mean i mean lord illinen won the illustrious west of west of ireland amateur which uh you know i don't have to tell you guys that's it that's it that's at ross's point county sligo there uh and then he won the 2000 amateur championship

And then he won five times on the European tour, including an Irish Open, Volvo World Match Play, Scandinavian Masters, Nordia Masters. Solly, what say you? I think he's got a ways to go to meet Ilanans, but also Yarmus Sandolin was finished. I think I had forgotten that he was finished until a quick Google search had given me that one. Also shots fired at your guy, T.C. Tapio Polkinen, who wore the TC hat for many years. out there. I will.

So I'm just Googling it quickly. Miko Ilanin has the best finish at a major championship. He finished tied for second at the 08 Open Championship. So, you know, that's not nothing. That's the best finished by a finish. A lot of finishes here as I'm as I'm citing this. But the best finish by a male finish golfer. How about that?

If I may just show you guys this, just so, just so we're clear on who we're talking about with Tapio Polkinen. It's this guy here that rocked the the thin brim Greg Norman hat for many years. Randy and I had a going bit very early. Maybe even pre-NLU of like that Miko Ilenden sounded like a Formula One driver.

100%. Yeah. I bet I'll look this up right now. I bet that there's a tweet from the early days that you guys definitely put out that mentions him as a Formula One driver. Yeah, 100% that is out there. We just go back to the well on that one.

That's the Monty Bar's jokes. That's the dumb shit that you guys, there is, August 7th, 2014. Can't help be impressed by Miko Illman's ability to balance a professional golf career with his duties as a Formula One driver. That's a good tweet. That's a good tweet.

You would wear those big glasses, the hater blockers, yeah. anything we did here sorry real quick on Sammy we heard boots on the ground we heard he's a big gamer a big counter strike guy

which is not a world I live in but I'm psyched for my guy it sounds like he's headed maybe for a new faster PC this Christmas so he can get that kill ratio up compute power

yeah Matt Coucher I do got it you got to tip your cap to this one Matt Coucher misses out on full status on the PJ tour of the first time since 2007.

And again, if it was still top 125, Couture would have kept it. That's 18. But Zolley, does he get, does he get a get out of jail free card with his top, with his 25 career earnings? Oh, yeah, he's got like four more extensions in there.

Yeah, he's going to be, he's going to be more than fine. But again, you just got to respect how long that guy's not had one injury year that has led him to be outside of the cutoff of being a fully exempt player on the PGA tour. It's insane. Yeah, so. A couple other.

I thought Thorpe Jornson was going to get it done. He was the one I was worried about on the leaderboard. He shot 64, 63, the first two rounds and kind of paid it a little bit on the weekend, finished five behind Valamaki. But, you know, good finish for him, T7. Zach finished T7 as well, a couple 64s on Friday and Saturday. Iron play has been good. And then Johnny Kiefer, it was, you know, number one guy coming off the corn fairy tour for next year,

starting to parlay it into some success on the PGA tour and getting his feet under him early. Andrew Novak finished T7 after that 61-65 starty. It shot 7068 on the weekend and just got blown out to see. Like it just, it was a complete birdie fest this weekend. You guys may have seen this quick trivia, you know, just going back to how many tour cards need to be handed out. On the PGA tour official money list this season through the RSA,

them guys how many people have made over a million dollars this year what's your guess wow that's a great question and this doesn't include fedex cup bonus stuff i i think i don't outside the top 30 that doesn't yeah yeah i'll say i'll say 86 86 sally makes me want to go lower but I'll say 111 136

I've made over a million dollars officially on the PGA tour Jesus yeah and you know who hasn't is saw it amazingly

he's 137 don't fire shots it well no I'm just you know you would think that'd be a name that you I'm going to pick a random year

I picked 2013. How many guys do you think had at least a million dollars earned in 2013? 40. It's actually more than I would say like less than half. It's 82 actually. I would have thought it was. My 86 was horrible guess.

I mean, what's crazy is in our lifetime, I can remember when making a million dollars on the PJ tour was a big freaking deal. Like that was a great, great season. It's wild. It's unbelievable. Yeah, well, let's say 19. 95 how many guys made a million dollars it looks like nine and I get that there's been some

inflation here but there's been more more inflation on the PGA tour that has outraced the CPI so yeah we need to do some tariffs the tiger tax Randy I know we got to bring it back for for sure maybe that I think the roll app should come in that should that should have been one of his planks yeah 30 years ago Greg Norman led the tour with 1.65 million and Scotty this year led it with $27.6 million. So, T.C., your boy, Tukumi Kanaia sneaks in. He keeps this card.

He didn't sneak in, okay? I think he snuck in. Played well. This is, uh, did he not tee it up this week? Was he in the field? I don't know if he was. Oh, yeah, he was in the field.

He missed the cut. That's, that's the way that's scoomy could. He may have snuck. He didn't sneak it. Some sneaking. A lot of people saw the clip going around of Justin Lauer as well. It was quite emotional in his post round interview after missing the cut on Friday,

ensuring that he would finish outside the top 100. But I always appreciate it. Justin's been on the PJ tour for four years. It's just seen his career just continue to take little baby steps going forward from really low levels when we first started working with him all the way up through there. So I am gutted for him. you know, was missing out on a, on a full card, but the guy,

that guy's definitely not going to quit. And has made a lot, made a lot out of, of his career here in the last four years and somebody we're going to continue to be rooting for going forward. Thank you. So, just for the record,

Takumi Kaniah in the fall series, finished T4 at the Bay Current. He had on around 62. And then I finished T3 at the Butterfield Burmuda Championship. Wow. And he made, spin the door down. Five cuts.

in a row there before the miscut at the RSM. So he is your boy, officially. He is my, he is my boy. He's tidy. Him and Ludwig, same level, right? Of you, of you hyping there too ones. Takumi, Tommy, Ludwig.

Those three, that's the big three. That's the big three. Other in PGA tour news, the Genesis Scottish Open set to stay at Renaissance through 2030, amidst a bunch of really good news going on in the golf world. That was a tough one, but not a surprise. the shocking thing with that too i think martin dempster had had some stuff on this um over in the

k was just i think the doesn't sound like they have an out if the open were to go back to mirfield and you know in that term and which would make i would think it would make it almost impossible to host an open at mirfield the following week given the logistical needs for parking and like you know i just there's only one road in one road out kind of you know they in that part of East Lothian. So, yeah, I'm just kind of, I'm bummed if that's what's going to keep us from getting rearfield back in our lives

at some point here soon. So. Yeah, my dumb ass would say, like, wouldn't that be easier just to have the two tournaments back to back down the street from each other? But I don't, I don't know enough about logistics and operations to answer that. But I think the staging would overlap too much

in the way they do parking. and all of that. But I don't know. Could be wrong. I would take anyone's word on that other than my own. Randy, take us to Tiburon to the LPGA tour finale. Yeah. Best player won.

Gino Titicum. Moving on. Next topic. Put on a clinic. Yeah. I mean, goes back to back. She won it last year. She becomes, I think, the second player after Jin Young Coe to win this tournament

two times in a row. She puts a cap on. By winning this week, she clinches the player of the year on the LPGA tour. That's a points-based race. The only other person that had a shot was Miyu Yamashita. She had to win to win player of the year. She finished tied for 36, I believe. Yamashita was a rookie of the year, right?

She did win, yeah, Yamashita won rookie of the year. And then the other big accomplishment, Gino sealed this week. she wins the VAR trophy, which is given out to the low scoring average on the LPGA tour. Platinum VAR trophy race, right? Not only does she win it, she sets an all-time LPGA scoring mark. She just clips Onica, so hell of an accomplishment there. It was Gino's third win this season on the LPGA tour, the seventh of her career. She came into today, I mean, it really wasn't close.

That's why I'm like, I'm not really going. going into like today's action much. She came in with a six-shot lead. And it did get down to two at one point. Thailand's Padrey on a Nur-Karn came out hot. Titicom bogey the second. I think the lead was down to like two shots at one point on the front nine. But Gino was just rock-solid after that.

Birdie 10, birdie 13, capped it with a birdie on 18. She shot 68 today, wins by four shots over Anna-Naruk-Karn. Third place, Nellie Korda, solo third for her. I want to ask you guys a couple questions. I'll save Nellie, but I guess first with Gino, I think, so she's 22 years old. She has 55 LPGA top tens in, she's been out on tour really for four years. 2022 was her first year. She's number one in the world by a lot.

The one big missing piece on her resume right now is a major championship. And she came really close this year, Grace Kim, miraculous chip-in and performance down the stretch to win the Evian. But I just think it's a, if you just look at like wins, you know, three wins across a whole season on LPGA, like that doesn't stand out. But when you factor in, she sets a scoring mark average. I think she had 15 top tens this year and 20 starts, speaking of Gino. She just has an unbelievably high floor, and I was like beating this drum before this year

thinking, like, we're just going to have this monster breakout year from her. And it didn't really happen this year because she didn't win a major. But like, I'm just going to roll that call over. Like, I just think she, she's just too good not to win so damn much out on the LPGA tour. So I expect big things in 2026. I don't know if you guys feel similarly. Sali, you give me shit rightfully because it's like, yeah, she hasn't won a major. You should be knocking her for that.

Just because that's your thing. I know, I know. Ian, it's your thing that you shit on Tommy for all the time. Well, I know. But to be fair, though, Tommy didn't win at all until he has won. And now he's a great man. and he could be a killer. I know.

I've walked all that back. You want the Kazakhstan open, Randy. No, I think the one thing with Gino, though, is the quality of the wins. Like, almost all of these wins have been minus 20, minus 22, minus 25. She wins when she makes a ton of birdies and wins. How many under do you think she is for her last five tournaments? Just quick guess. As fast as she played up by 200.

105 under par. She, last five, five events. She finished second at the FM, second at the Kroger Queen City. She won the LPGA Shanghai, struggled at the May Bank and finished T4 at 17 under and then won this at 26 under part. So John, here's a credit for her and like that's truly a credit to her floor like you said and her ability to just go freaking low. Like John Houston back in the day. I'm like the piece of belunking. Yeah.

But also I think the, you know, the underlying thing there too is. the LPGA is not setting these courses like they're a they're going to some venues that that either aren't asking the right questions and then they're not i think they're setting the floor up too low at some of these venues as well to where they're just they need to ask more difficult questions of the ladies and like just you know just kind of raise the floor of like and i know that the gap in distance is wider out there and there's from the shortest player the longest player but like there needs to be a minimum threshold like yeah you know hey like you're not cracking this and and you know what like you're kind of getting moved off the tour here

it's a privilege and a compliment to to put her up on this level to say like i mean obviously the golf has been incredible and very consistent and they're like her season and year speaks to like how like it's the best golf like by far did it include like the nelly seven win run No, but that doesn't mean the golf was any less of a quality. We tend to, in a way, overrate wins a little bit. Like, she was incredibly consistent. Like, literally, where if you have to nitpick it, you just have to go to, what are the two most real golf tournaments they play,

the most real golf? AIG women's open and the U.S. women's open. She finished T30th at the AIG Women's Open, one over par, and missed the cut at the U.S. women's open. So does that wash out an incredible year of golf? No, but like that's the last frontier she needs to clear is like, hey, when the golf gets real, can you be real and not just win on these birdie fest setup, which the birdie fest setups might be harder to win for the top players because you've got to,

you know, it's harder to separate yourself in theory. But, you know, she's clearly making too many mistakes when the golf does get a little bit more real. But that's not to say, like, I think she took a giant step forward this year. Even with those two results, I feel like she's on a completely different level than when she started the year. And I think major championships are coming. I've been a little hard on her just for the poor major record, but I don't see something there that I'm like, oh, she can't compete on these golf courses when it gets hard.

Like, no, that's just the next challenge she needs to, you know, conquer and I have no doubt that I would be very surprised if she did not win a major next year. I'm with you. And I think that's where, you know, T.C. and I have talked about, like, yeah, they just need to, there need to be some more challenging setups throughout the calendar on the LPGA tour. And I think that would help people like Gino, people like Nelly. I think it would help really establish the cream of the crop.

And I think we would get a little bit more separation between, you know, who really are the 15, 20 best players versus who's kind of not in that group, right? And so that we'll say for this golf course not being anything special, they do keep getting lucky with this one in terms of it's top 60 make this championship and it's winner take all for the championship. And has there been a fluke winner? Has there been a random winner since they started doing this? Not like not really.

Amy Yang, you could say was maybe, but the year she won it, she had a good year. What year do they start doing the big, the big, the big. The big purse was really, it jumped, yeah, it jumped from, in 21, it went from like three in 2020, up to five and 21, up to seven and 22, and then seven, 11, 11. It's total purse you're referring to. Totally. Yeah. First place, they were getting a million, 2019, it kind of jumped for first place.

It was a million and a half. So Sayyong Kim, Jin Yonko won it twice in a row. Like basically once it went up to $5 million, it's been Sayy Young Kim, and then Ginnyonko went back to back, and then Lydia, and then Amy Yang, and then Gino back to back. It's an incredible run for those starting strokes, just go, yeah. Which I think, Saw to your point, 60 is too many for the Tour championship. Like, I just think it's allowing players in of a caliber,

that they just didn't have good enough years to play for a $4 million first place prize. Yeah, and a tour championship title, like straight up. I would like to see it knocked down. If you want to go top 40, fine. Like, ideally it'd be around that 30, 32 number, in my opinion. But I think it's too many women starting the tour championship.

It's also, it's interesting how they do the purse because it's last place, so 60th place gets 55 grand. Like, that's the floor. You're getting 55 grand if you show up and finish all four rounds at this tournament. Let's say you finish top half of the field. So T-26 was top half. Furroway, Lynn Blad, you know, $71,107. So you beat half the field and you only made $16,000 more than last place.

Yeah. That's kind of a, I don't know. To me, that feels a little incongruous there of. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a built-in big. bonus at the bottom, you know what I mean? I don't disagree, but yeah. But then it goes from, you know, like six place, you get 195, 50, you get 260, fourth

you get 350, third you get 550, second, you get a million, and first you get four million. It just feels, I get that they're going after a big headline or a big, it's almost the opposite of like what we've argued with the PGA tour for so long. of like it just feels like it feels a little bit like the winner take all thing here is it's washing out you know a little bit of like something to play like I don't know it's just a big reward a big top heavy reward for to your point Randy like the you know I think the 10 the 10 highest finishers should probably be more highly compensated in this event if it is your he's ending tour championship what a great transition

We have here, TC, if you'll allow me. I want to give a shout to our friends at SoFi, the ultimate finance app for sponsoring today's SoFi. Get Your Money Right Moment. You go to SOFi.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with SoFi. Plus, Randy is taking it this week. Who got their money right?

Well, we got to go with our runner up. And that's Padre on a Nurkarn. Her solo second earns her $1 million. And so, guys, let me break this down. first of all let's how did how did ananurukarn find her way into this field she qualified in the 60th position so she was the last woman to qualify into this field and if you go back a week ago at the onica at the gamebridge onica pelican that's got like nine names if you if you look at that fourth round and you zoom in specifically on holes 15 through 18 genuinely Sheen was in the top 60. Jenny Shin would end up missing the Tour Championship by a little less

than eight CME points. And where did she lose those? Jenny bogeied two of her final four holes down the stretch in the fourth round last week. And this is, you know, she wasn't in contention. She was, I think she ended up finishing, I want to say tied for 52nd. You can fact check me on that.

But just goes to show Anna Nauru Kahn played that same four-hole stretch, one under par. And so she slips past Jenny Shen. She earns the last spot at the CME Tour Championship. She's 26 years old in her career before this week. And she's won twice on the LPGA tour. In her career before this week, she had earned $3.7 million. Okay.

This year, she is coming into this event earning $541,000. And this is where I get to like 60 is too many women. Okay, the very first event of the year and in a Rukharn, the tournament of champions, she finishes tied for 10th. That's her only top 10 of the season this year. Okay. She played 25 events before this weekend. She made 19 cuts.

So, you know, kudos. She's playing pretty good golf. But that top 10 occurred back in January in a small event. And so, I mean, she took advantage of it. But since the majors began in April and in Rukarn missed five cuts and had three top 25 finishes. So she just- She feels a little cheap. Yeah, it feels a little cheap.

But kudos to her. She gets in here this week. She has a hell of a four days. And she walks away with a million dollars, which is more than she has made in any single season of her LPGA career. career, today's paycheck. So, Solly, that's our SoFi, get your money right. Um, that four whole stretch last Sunday at the Onika. Anna Narukarn gets in. Jenny Shin misses out. And then Anna Narukarn turns it into a million dollar payday this week. That's well done, big. That's some great digging. You can go to sophy.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with

SOFi. Plus, let us know in the comments as well. If you want to any, any future ideas, any digging you want the big guy or one of us to do on a get your money right segment anything else you want to wrap from the tour championship yeah i just wanted to ask you guys about nelly um she didn't win this year and that's i think a big problem for women's golf and it's a problem for nelly but you know she had a season where she played 19 events she made or excuse me 20 events she made every cut she played in she's going to have uh including this weekend 10 top tens, eight top fives. Sala, you said it, we tend to overrate

wins. But I do think with somebody of Nellie's stature, I think it's fair, like, I don't have any qualms. Yeah, I don't have any qualms saying this was a disappointing season. I'm just curious how you guys think she bounces back and like, I feel like 2026 all of a sudden becomes a pretty big year for her. Not a good year, like overall, just majors. It just felt like, and I need to look up the stats,

but just looking at her results, and even this week, she didn't play well in the first round, kind of put herself behind the eight ball and shot in the 70s and then had to really chase. And it seemed like that was kind of a theme all year for her of. I'm sure they've got like the LPGA, like that's one of the frustrations we've talked about a lot is like, all right, with Gino, like what does Gino need to do to take the leap in majors

or what's holding her back statistically? It's tougher to decipher that, right? because we've got limited uh stats here but you know i think round by round stats i'm sure we can look look up nelly's like you know first round scoring average this year and and it's just you know i just don't think it was yeah don't think it was very good i'm trying to find that tc they have that it's it was 69.5 6 so she was fifth in that which yeah like that's not yeah like that's not yeah like that's round statistically is the fourth round where she's 51st on the season so she was first and second round scoring average and then third round she's she drops down to 16th yeah so i don't know

it's it's interesting and like some of that's probably skewed by you know the like the shadow creek event right i think everybody shot like 78 in the first round like it was super hard so there's some outliers there um but yeah it just feels like like again it's it's a it's a reflection of nelly but it's also probably a reflection of, you know, some of the, some of the setups and the courses that they're playing and what's being, what's being asked in some of her, her strengths or her advantages over the field kind of being washed out a little bit, but yeah. Yeah, it's, it's hard. You look at, I mean, so the KPMG performance insights give you strokes gain data.

It is on the component basis, like from, you know, T to green, off the T approach, all that stuff. It is like hand calculated by, by caddies and, you know, estimating distances and stuff. stuff. So I do, I'm hesitant to put a ton of weight and like PJ Tori uses shot link. It is like down to the inch. Here's what happened. But it would tell the story that she's losing half a stroke per round to Gino Titicun on the green. And that's the difference. Right. It is, she's still above average putter. The stats would say well above average putter. But, you know, that's, I mean, you know, they're almost the exact same player, Tid green. They do it in different ways. Nellie is more off the T. Gino's done it more with the iron play But the difference would be would be the putting But again she's third on this list

And she's gaining over two shots per round Like the the equivalent over on the men's side Is probably I'm pulling this out of my ass But probably like Tommy's year You know it's Rory She's basically Rory She's third in strokes gained Over there so it's hard to

It's hard to be too hard on her But she's 27 now too which is not young in the women's game. And it's fair to ask the question, like, has she underachieved to this point with her talent level and missed a window where she could have cleaned up a lot more majors in tournaments? It's hard not, you know,

but it's again, it's hard to point to a two-time major winner and say you're a disappointment in some way. So it might just be that we all, I mean, I don't want to say we got carried away. She was that good last year. And it did look like the leap. And it was, you know, it was some of the best golf any of us I've ever seen on any tour.

And why that didn't, you know, carry over into this year, I don't, I don't have an answer. But it's just that golf runs like that usually don't last for a very long time. It's what makes what's got to have done that special. She played really well last year. And that was on the heels of not winning in 2023. Yeah. And only winning once in 2022.

Like, she had a big year in 2021. So, yeah, it's just, you know, she kind of comes and goes. Yeah, maybe she goes off next year. She could be in every other, every other year player. I think, Sally, it's, yeah, I have a hard time after last year saying Nellie has underachieve, but I would just point out, like, her performance in the U.S. Women's Open and the Women's British Open, she's had runner-ups in each of those. But that's not, you know, the two majors that Nellie has.

has won, have both been, you know, under par. She won the Chevron at 13 under, the women's PGA at 19 under, you know. So again, we haven't seen her kind of win that grindy major either, which, you know, when you only get maybe two shots at it per year, I can't hold it that much against her. But I think for most of these top talents on the women's side, T.C., just going back to to your point earlier, like, I would like to see. I think it's more interesting golf seeing, seeing, uh, challenging layouts. And I, I, I hold sequential shots with the new leadership.

Yeah, I, I hope they lean more into that. I'll say, uh, the big theme just looking at the LPGA this year and it was pretty evident early on and carried through, you know, all the way to the end was the Japanese ladies, like four of the top 10, uh, five of the top. 13 you know and then you've got the eY twins coming up and it's like there's just there's a lot of talent coming over from japan and they're starting to like give the koreans a run for their money yeah i and i was i'm glad you mentioned the koreans because i think it's we're seeing kind of a changing of the guard where jing yon koh is is certainly not the best korean anymore

and yet they still have you know somi lee finishes 10th in the final season long standings that's that's kind of a new name you see a lim kim have have a really nice year uh she won a major a few years ago he jen choy huju kim like she's always around but you still have a ton of koreans uh you're right the the japanese and the koreans are kind of taking it to everybody else right now as as a cohort yeah in the in the top what 15 in strokes can you have Minji Lee from Australia, Nellie Carter from the U.S. Charlie Hall from England, there, two, three, four on the list. Lydia is sixth, but then, yeah, Yamashita, Heijin-Shoy, JoJo Kim, Elym, Kim, Somi Lee, Nasaatoka, Seung Kim.

They make up seven through 12 on that list. And then Rio Takeda, 14, running in, 15, yeah, it's, it's depth. It's a ton, a ton of depth. Yeah, yeah. So just a few people to call out here, if you'll allow me really. quick. I wanted to shout out Austin Kim. She's an American. This was her second year on tour. She finished tied for eighth this weekend. Just kind of puts a bow on a successful season. I think she's somebody that is just taking steps and I expect to win as soon as next year, perhaps. And then

another American, she was a rookie this year, Jenny Bay, got into the tour championship and finished tied for 10th. I think that's a great result for her, a very good rookie season. And then a couple of big names. There were a lot at Tide for 19th. He had Lexi, who had a great year for her first year of retirement. She, Sally, what you're hearing? About $700,000 a year, I think it was. She got her money, right. Yeah. Lottie Wode was in that group. You know, she, I'm sure she must be exhausted. Ake EY, Maya Stark, Charlie Hall, Ronnie in. That was all the T-19 group. Lydia Coe was tied for 41st. A bit of a disappointment there. And then, of course, our friend LC, she was tied for 47th. I'm sure she would tell us she wish she would have played better. But those were some

big names going down the leaderboard there. On to some other news. Golf.com released their top 100 courses in the world list. TC, you've played about 150 of these courses on the top 100. What stuck out to you about the newest rankings? So actually, our friend, our friend, Simon Holt, who we've gotten to know just via golf trips. He's been on the podcast before, if you remember.

After he finished the top 100, he played the top 100 in the world before he had this role you're about to tell us about. but he detailed that experience as well in the pod several years ago, and he was a great guest. Yeah, I think Simon, Simon's, you know, kind of taken over this process or help take over this process over at 8am and golf.com. And I think Simon takes it very, very seriously in a good way.

He's very, he's credible, you know, like he takes pride and, hey, this is, I'm putting my name against this and it needs to be an objective process here. Now, like, you can argue, you can argue rankings and subjectivity. all day long, right? Because there's no perfect way to do it. Um, you know, some of it is, you know, like are, are the Raiders getting to play enough of these courses? Or are they getting to play enough of these courses often? What do people, different people value different stuff, right? But I don't know. It feels like there's, there's a lot less of, oh, that's, you know, that course bought their way on. I'm not seeing as much of that or really any of that in this

list versus previous years. It seems like it's moving in a good direction on that front and it's more substantive. Top 10, not a lot of changes, you know, every year. It's like Pine Valley, Cyprus, St. Andrews and number three, which I love seeing. Royal County Down. I just love the, that, the column in there. Year built, Pine Valley, 1918, Cypress Point, 1928. St. Andrewsville, of course, 1400.

You know, Shinnock Hills, five, National Golf Link, six, Rome, Melbourne, seven. Augusta, 8, Oakmont 9, and Sand Hills 10. So, Sand Hill is definitely the youngest one there in the top 10 at 1995. But other, like, you know, as far as those movers, you know, nothing in the top 20 moved more than two spots up or down. You know, Royal Port Rush moved up two spots. Dornick moved down two spots. It's, you know, it's just kind of window dressing stuff. There's no huge surprises like Pioneer's number two, number 20, Terry Eadie.

I saw some people dumping on that, like that Pinehurst, too, didn't deserve to be ranked as one of the top 20 golf courses in the world. I was like, what? Oh, my God. Yeah, I think the ones that kind of stuck out to me a little bit were I think Cabot Cliffs, I mean, Cabot Cliffs tumbled like crazy.

I think it went down, you know, it went down 26 spots. I think it's still too high. I don't think, I think it's a really fun resort course to play. I don't think it's even in the same zip code as some of these other courses, much less. And I prefer Cabot Links to Cabot Cliffs as well up there. I just think that's a better golf course and a better grower and all of that. But biggest fallers were Cabot Cliffs minus 26, Rye down 18, O'Hoopy down 18,

the aforementioned Cabot Links down 17 and Woodall Spa down 16. Biggest risers were New South Wales up 18 on the, on the, back of their their big mackenzie and ebert renovation restoration bolito up 20 spots shankin bay up 31 spots which i think me of four years ago would have been like oh shankan bay that one and the more i hear about that it's like no it's like a core krenshaw like in the jungle like it's it's pretty wild um and then lufitin up 22 spots abandoned trails up 14 i think lufitin i don't think lufitin's even in the conversation of top 100 golf courses in the world. I find that like patent like I and I love Lupitin. It's an awesome

experience. I'm so glad we went there. I hope to go back there one day. It's about a lot more than golf up there. Right. Right. Yeah. That blue it is the classic. This isn't the top 100 about a lot more than golf. I know. Top 100 golf courses in the world list. And I think they've been very specific of we're not rating the clubhouse. We're not rating the food and beverage experience. We're reading the golf course. And I and I think they've done some. like from what I've heard they've done some good stuff up there as well as far as just making it more playable in spots and less just all right if you're off the fairway it's lost ball but even then it's just I just don't like that I don't think that's in the vicinity of like

the top 200 golf courses in the whole world it might not be top 500 but it also like is it one of the top 100 golf experiences I've ever had yeah like it might be like a top five experience yeah if you don't know it's like it's 96 miles above the arctic circle like you you can in the summer you can play literally around the clock i've finished a round there in the summer of 2017 at 3 a.m like it's outrageous it's unbelievable you literally watch the sun like go towards the horizon and then just like start rising again and it's as bright as it ever was at any point today at three o'clock in the morning and it's super trippy uh and it's one one of a kind in that regard but yeah is it like a bet it's rated two spots above royal rhythm and saint anne's like oh boy

know about that but yeah uh here's yeah yeah sorry i was to put a cherry on top of the loaf of that was the end of our toursaw scandinavia i i was not in the championship match so i i would i did not play loafitin on camera there were opportunities to play it off camera and i chose not to just because like you get off the fairway you were absolutely dead and i just struggled to think of honestly any of these other courses if i was going around watching people play golf and then I had an opportunity to play that golf course. I think I would jump at like every single other one of these golf courses. And I was like, I'm good on Lofton.

I don't need to play it. I'm going to go for a hike. No offense. You know, Froda. And it's awesome. Yeah, you should go. It should exist. It is out of place on this list, I think, is the overall point.

But any general, like, themes in the risers or fallers, TC, I know it's like, every time this comes around people will shit on it and be like oh what did royal melbourne east do this year to deserve to rise up 10 spots but like the math behind it is like it's different group of people that rate it every year the criteria may change a little bit they may conditions uh you know of the course for in a particular year may change there may have been a renovation of some kind there may be you know kind of style preferences that that end up winning the day at the end of a year you know you know you know you know you know it you know know, trends evolve and things like that. I don't have a problem as much with risers and followers on lists because, yeah, you can walk off a course in 2017 and be blown away and then be 20, you know, eight years later, be like, yeah, you know what, man? Like that was a little more math than I, than I thought. But any particular trends that stuck out?

I think that like, yeah, like Oakland Hills, for instance, film nine spots. nothing changed with Oaken Hills other than like we're another year beyond their renovation or the restoration skill right of you know luster wears off or or a renovation happens a flood of Raiders go see that course and then they don't go back for three or four years and it just kind of you know gets removed from your psyche a little bit more or it's passed by a bunch of other clubs that did restorations and renovations yeah and I think that I do think that, like, new golf courses should, should, there should be a probationary period for three, four, five years, but that's, you know, that's not how you're going to sell magazines or that's

not how, you know, like, I, like, I haven't, I don't know, I think the, like, St. Patrick's links, like, I need to get there. That place is, you know, up another five spots to 44, right behind Southern Hills, right ahead of Cal Club, New South Wales, Shore Acres, Somerset Hills down eight spots swindly down four spots like you know trune up up 13 spots royal trune uh port marnock up five spots now ahead of sunningdale beth played black up four spots st george's hill up 14 spots to 57 and that's before they even embark on their brian schneider i'm glad seeing that place rise it has been criminally underrated i like i think the biggest you know and maybe this is just the you know the composition of who the raiders are and who they're getting on the panel is it does

seem like classic you know golden age design classic stuff is being rewarded and some of the stuff falling off is more of the you know kind of or falling down is it's more of the modern you know the the keowa or the you know which yeah yeah of note some courses leaving the top 100 on this most recent list whistling straits um mirfield village gamins hall falling outside the top one hundred that that kind of doesn't follow the trend of the of of of that's a set rainer golf course i'm surprised to see that but royal sync ports and labored i got all this i copied this from uh rick top 100 rick uh on twitter who's always he dominates the four you page man he's always up on front there the new entrance to list were childress hall uh was thinking at tcc um

controversial uh uttrek de pan uh cap rock uh te awry north course and cape wickham uh was that's been on this list before, right? And I guess fell off. Yeah, there was like kind of been like floating right around the top top 100. Like tear right north. Really fun, cool golf course. I don't think that that. I just don't find that.

Like, I don't think that's the top 100 to me. I think that's like a great B-Side members course that has a lot of depth and a lot of cool stuff there. I think Barmbugles tends to be overrated. I think we need the Nest. one year to be a tc top 100 list i think you need to you need to make your own top 100 but it has to be behind the paywall i think people would subscribe for that man i think i would i would pay for that

hell you see it winged foot keeps getting number five yeah visby i mean yeah visby's nowhere to be seen uh you know kings barnes down eight spots victoria up three spots which i love seeing mackra hannish up three spots um rock creek kind of dope it's some dope stuff kind of fall on down the list a little bit. Bally Neal took a big, big hit. Yeah, I don't know. It's, like, it's interesting. And then I think that I do like that there's plenty of, there's plenty of representation, you know, internationally, right? It's, it's, it's very well-balanced worldwide. There's some stuff from Japan, plenty from Australia, like Peninsula Kingswood, right? Like, that's not on there, right? And I don't think that was even in the next, you know, like, I think they published a

next 50 or something like that that I don't have in front of me but did you count up how many you played I've played don't don't do it live on the show that's not what I'm asking I've played 66 wow I've never been like a list chaser really like are like like I like Simon had a really good thing of like

you should plan trips around one or two of these courses and then play everything else in that region that will make you appreciate that course more and understand the thematic stuff going on there or that architect or whatever So I've played 21 of the top 25 and 65 or 66 of the top 100 pending a renovation or something like that. So I feel like I've got a good like I've got a good baseline to like all right, I've got enough of a repository to have an opinion on a lot of these. I've got some big blinds. Like I've never done row counting down.

I think I've played more outside of the top 100 or sorry outside of the United States than I've played inside of the United States on this list, which I take pride in as well of. getting out there and exploring and like yeah you know like getting out of our own backyard i didn't go through the whole list i it like never in a million years did i think i would look at a list like this and say i've played the top four courses like that's that's really that's sick i know and i like i will never quite get used to that i think i've played 10 out of the top 20 and then i kind of stop counting i honestly think my my biggest percent is probably that top 20 i think if you like broke it down into five groups of 20 i probably wouldn't have 10 in in any of the other buckets that's sick i i i didn't think i i play the top nine

sandhills and meirfield 10 11 i have i have not played i think i think i got 62 when when i counted but uh i i don't i don't have any aspirations of i want to play all these courses but i don't want to travel far and wide just to just to check them off list i have but i do i do want to play the top like 25 there's there's sandhills meirfield uh fissures and friars head of the top 25 ones i have not played in all those i definitely definitely want to see in my life so i think lists are good overall like there there's a place for list there's a place for i just don't think that clubs should like i don't think that if a club's not on this top 100 list that was in the past i don't think it's necessarily oh you're doing something wrong or you need to inject a bunch of resources

into the golf course, it's, you know, it's fun for banter and it's a fun thing for conversations, but I don't think that a course should tie its, tie its fortunes or tie its value to that. Nor do I think people should plan trips and just try to hit as many top 100 courses as they possibly can. I would say definitively, like, don't let it, if you have the choice between like a really highly recommended course and a top 100, don't let the fact that it's a top 100 win the day, right? like I don't know what example I would I would pull specifically from here but like you know like I don't know let's say West Lancashire is of course I freaking love in Northwest England that's not going to be on this list and you know that I don't think you should necessarily demand that you play Royal Liverpool over over West Lancashire it's a bit maybe bad example because Royal Liverpool is excellent but you know some of these places like they're they're great golf experiences but they're not that special.

and I don't know if you need to like go out of your way to prioritize it just because it's on a top 100 list if that means like Ely Ely's not sniffing this top 100 list. Kings Barnes is yes there that's a great example and like I would play Ely like nine times out of 10 maybe 10 times out of 10 that's a good example I know I was thinking like in my backyard here Colorado Golf Club which I have gotten to play a few times I think it's awesome right it's not a top 100 on this list. but it's a top 100 US but it's not top 100 worldwide yeah I mean I just go through this list and some of the ones I have played I can straight up tell you like I didn't have a good time and so to your point like I would much rather play some other courses for some of these but I think another one is just like I think real Melbourne East is just underrated yeah just generally speaking abandoned 85th best golf course in the world like that's a top 50 golf course in the world I'm sorry

I'll die on that, that hill. Packed in still 30. All right. Well, that's a future episode. But like props to, you know, props to Simon and the gang over there for like,

Presswick rising, North Berwick rising. Like those aren't championship golf courses anymore. They're like great, they're just great experiences. They're great golf courses that don't have to be 70, 7,700 yards and beating you up. You know,

that's a little bit why I was, I was a little bit like, shocked to see trune rising up so much because trune is a great major championship golf course i don't think trune is necessarily the most colorful or charismatic golf course yeah i think that's fair tc i can't believe i've been able to hold you back on this uh this part as long as we have but a lot happening on the live golf tour uh especially this top item here i'll let you be the one to announce it because i know this kind of rocked your whole week yeah uh listen there was a lot of a lot of hot stove rumors out there, shams and, you know, all the gang on X, the everything out there

were just bloating all sorts of rumblings that they were hearing out there. There were rumors that it was going to be Romaine, Langassque. I had heard that it was going to be a Frenchman, going to the Cleeks, taking Frederick Ketterup's spot. Instead, it's Victor Perez. Wow. which I listen as a Cleeks fan massive massive dub for us

like Victor Prez is a good player and he's you know he's kind of always bouncing around kind of that bottom of the world top 100 you know he played really well at the match play a few years back I think he plays really slow as well unfortunately but but yeah just generally speaking it's a massive upgrade

over what we had last year we have to maximize Blandi's window this championship window we have you're pushing the chips all in two maybe three years left of Blandi playing this this level of golf and you know if we can get something out of Kimer this year like Blandi

Marank and Perez is a great core to have so we had that we had Lori Cantor for going his his PGA tour card heading back to live it seems you know they don't want him unless he has

unless he has access to his BCHA tour card Scott Vincent one of the Vincent brothers back he qualified for live golf in the international series as well as Yosuke Asahi that I think

they're big on their pathways I've been hearing some rumors that they're going to do like a play in series here in the U.S that you know 30, 40 guys get a bunch of college guys and put up like a four million dollar purse and I guess just make it to where hey there's a there's a competitive way in here and because that's they've gone to the 72 holes right they've gone to just trying to check things off the list here to for

OWGR criteria uh and I think pathways would be the big one you know that was a big one still average field size of 75 players or more they still fall quite short of that one and just like the conflicting priorities of like the Sebastian Munoz thing from a couple of years ago. Yeah. Like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, I, you know, I missed that putt because, or like I knew I had a two putt for the teams.

They, they kind of do this as if, you know, the people like golf fans are voting on this, that they just have to win an elect, like, basically can they win the popular vote of people like convince them that they've qualified for the OWGR? Like, they just lie and say that they've accomplished. all these things and check all these boxes when it's just pretty straight up criteria that the board the ODGO OWGR board has to decide whether or not they approve and it's just run

and it's such a political manner that I don't think has any influence over the board's decision but I could be wrong there but it just cracks me up how they how they approach it from a PR standpoint which I didn't give you guys a chance to chime in on the Victor Perez news what's what's your takeaway TC I was just worried it was going to to be my guy Martin Kubra, the Frenchman, who I really like. So I'm glad to see he was not the name. Beyond that, I'm sure it'll be great for all the parties involved. Yeah, egg on my face. I mean, I hear I was doubting his world ranking, you know, four or five years ago when he was rising up the DP World Tour, when they were handed out free crack giveaway points. And here he is,

takes the next big step and earns a spot on the cleaks. And I'll just have to have to own the L on that one, TC. You win that one and I lose. he's won some BDEs internationally he's one of the Dunhill links he won the Dutch Open solid I know that's one that's Big one for me Here and dear to your own

22 and then he won the Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship I don't have to tell you guys Who else who's won that twice He's only 33 He's a solid player like yeah He's 66 Randy he's a slender man too I'm gonna give you guys

I had AI pull this Because I didn't research it myself And I hope this list is complete but this is the complete list, I believe, of players that LiveGolf has added in some former fashion since the Rahm-Hatton thing at the end of 2023 into 2024. Here's the list and their current data golf ranking, okay? Adrian Moronk, he's currently 322 in the world. Lucas Herbert is 210th.

Caleb Surratt 275, Andy Ogletree 471, Kieran Vincent, 420, Kaii Samuja was unranked, he's over 500. Jinchiro Kozuma, 461. Tom McKibben, 57. That is by far as the only player. This was their ranking when they joined or current? Current ranking. Well, you're using the Kruger O.WGR.

No, I'm not. I said data golf. This is the data golf. This is all of their golf. Don't turn into a bot, TC. Your location's going to get out of it on X these days. He regrets the air. T.C. regrets the air.

All right. I was just going down Victor Perez's thing. He's finished. He hasn't finished outside of a 10. seventh in the world since 2018. He is 93rd. So Perez is the only other player in the top 200 currently in day of golf that Livgolf has added over the last two years.

The other names, Yubin Yang, or you've been Jang, unranked. Luis Masabo, unranked, Frederick Ketterup, unranked. Ben Campbell, the Kiwi, as we learned, 365 and Jose Luis, Biaster. It was 302. He won this week. He will undoubtedly rise in the rankings there. But that's the complete list of guys over two years that LivGolf has. added when it felt like things might be tipping when rom left it as undoubtedly not happened

just found that list quite interesting if that's the complete one yeah sorry i'm just looking at pictures of victor prez i cannot believe he's six six tc like that i would have lost a lot of money betting on how tall victor prez is like what's sorry solace yeah just just like his portrait Well, I don't know if you just Like listen If you tell me a Frenchman named Victor Perez And tell me to guess how tall he is There's no way I'm going six six

Like in no universe do I think that person is six six six It's a fun little surprise We need more slenderment Literally and figuratively No we I'm I think I'm just so overjoyed Somebody else in the ranks more slenderment I mean honestly the the cliques They're fucking long man

Between Him and Maronk? Maybe that's what they're going for. No, Blandy finished fourth this way, solo fourth behind Dean Bermister, Caleb Sarad. He can dream on.

Think about the catch radius of these guys. Exactly. Sally, I mean, I'm just going to keep going down the list. Abe answer is on the move. We got a trade. We had a trade.

I don't know if it's official yet. It came, you know, it's nuclear golf broke the news, I think. But nuclear golf said, At Ten Golf broke the news. Ten Golf is a Spanish,

looks like some sort of Spanish golf, you know, Spanish language golf X account. But Abe is allegedly going to, he's leaving the fireballs, he's going to Torque. And Luis Massivo, who is a Spaniard, is lined up to slot in on Sergio's. Was Massifo on Torque? This year?

Listen, TC, that you ask a lot of really good questions. You don't do that? You think that us too are going to know that? He was. He was a reserves. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, who else was on the fireballs this year?

I guess he's well. He was, he subbed in on, uh, on who's leaving Torque then? Uh, the relegated, Mito Perea. Oh, okay. not a trade it's or it's a trade but there's nothing going back the other way or maybe there's some cash consideration draft draft pick compensation i think i mean future yeah you know compensatory pick or something i mean yeah the fireballs do have a good farm system i imagine they got um you know a couple prospects back for the fireballs should be like between sergio highest there flips over

like huge and mass about like those are like legitimately like the three best young spaniards You know, playing. Can Sergio get him playing good ball? I think we're going to find out a lot about his captaincy skills. Yeah. I think they're discriminating against Latin America. A little rivalry going between the Spanish and the Latin Americans. Yeah.

And then on top of that, Anthony Kim finished T5 at the Saudi International. just came roaring up the leaderboard it was kind of unexpected what did he end up like he was he shot at first round like 64 I think he shot 67 64 69 70 so he finished eight shots back but he was in a big tie

for for fifth but yeah like they it's all they were playing this at Riyadh Golf Club again which they seem to be playing everything at Riyadh Golf Club now and nothing at Rogue Greens I know Over there too, but Royal Greens rank on the top one

I didn't see if it did it If it rose or fell on the on the top 100 list But and then lastly we got Henrik Stenson headed back to the DP World Tour He has paid his fines allegedly and has been Relegated officially from from Liv Golf And is headed back to play on the DP World Tour So that's

Does he still have a like a financial interest in the Majestics? Yeah, how do you that's what do you unwind that? he unwind that you see right i mean when the denominator is zero tc i don't i don't know if it really matters but we'll have to do it's new air for the majestic like it's yeah like what are the majestics is cancer signing with the majestics is he slotting in because he's a he's an englishman he slotted yeah you would think and will they make him a captain to stick with the three captain lineup the brain drain leaving the majestics uh i I'm worried about them going into 2026, but in other news, Pablo Tori did another mini dive this past week into Phil Mickelson.

I had Alan Shipnuck on. We listen to that one on our drive. If you're a heavy golf fan, there's not a ton in there that's a lot of brand new, but it does just dive into like, dude, what's going on with this guy? And, you know, some, even though we know most of those stories with Phil, it's good to hear Alan just recap a lot of it and how everything played out from the Phil interview. than before the book and kind of this heel turn that Phil is made in his 50s, but that was some noteworthy media

that's past week. I'd recommend people check out. Yeah. Randy, I'm convinced he's going to run for governor of California something in the next like eight years. Yeah.

Yeah, I know. I know we've, you guys and Sally, we did one time like the Sable offshore stuff if you have not listened to that, Pablo Tori, finds out just like another push to listen to that. It's, it's incredible. But yeah, TC and I, T's they're about to gobble up some

Sable. We were talking about, we talked about a lot of things in the car. We, uh, we'd spend out 10 hours in the car together this past week. We might get involved with Sable offshore just to ride this out. I mean, TZ's got a hat. Want some skin in the game. Yeah. I mean, if that 14 inch thing is true, man, I might, I think Daddy starts swinging it. Yeah, I kind of want to see. I think big daddy did kind of start swinging it. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Do you want to talk about the little travel we made this week, TC? Yeah.

You want to talk, you want to talk to TGL or you want to talk to the park? Well, let's do both. We went down to West Palm. We spent a very, very fruitful visit, all done really in one day. We went and checked out the Sofi Center. You had been there once before, but we went down and played a little golf in the simulator. And on the surface, we filmed the whole thing. There will be a video out, hopefully within the next month or so.

So recapping our day there. Cam Young joined us for a little while. Pretty much our New York Golf Club recruiting visit. You know, my fandom is a little bit up in the, up in the wins these days. But Cam joined us. It was, dude, it was really fun. It was really, really fun. And I know not everyone gets to go and play in the, in the SoFi Center.

And that doesn't, you know, you don't get to translate that straight into watching the TGL. But I did walk away more bullish on TGL. honestly it sounds like they have some really fun changes coming up we sampled uh some some new things they have coming uh we can't spoil any of that in the time being uh it'll all be in the video and everything but um the green's bigger like there's just a lot of changes to the gameplay and to the system to the technology involved and uh it's a massive massive investment and swing and the energy there was pretty undeniable i the changes they made in the season as it went along I thought made for the competition to be better and I'm buying season two man I'm I'm really

feeling the momentum going into season two I did but I'm surprised I'm saying this uh but I left that being like I should we should go down for a match like we should just make the drive down for a match and see it in person and um just a great great team there working on it and we had a really great time I don't know if you have anything to add on top of that no I think the um hey it's real grass uh you can find people don't talk about that real grass real grass some of the best grass I ever played off of, I think. I was blown away at how accurate the simulator felt of having that 40 yards there between when you hit the ball from that RT box and when it hits the screen.

And then how it, you know, you see the ball starting to curve or you see it rising against the screen. And then it, you know, it continued along that path. I was, you know, that's what I was a little bit skeptical of last year, especially with some of the wedge shots. And it was, man, it felt representative of the shots that we were hitting. The, you know, yeah, the improvements like the, like putting in there so hard. I have so much respect for those guys. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah, you got the shadows and the lights. And it's just, there's a lot. Sound like me on real golf. There's all these jacks underneath the green, Randy. I was going to ask if they added anymore. Would they have like 36 or something last year? No, like 300 and something.

Like, it's crazy. The green spins. You got all the graphics going around. Like, it's a sensory experience in there. They've got some new designs. We won't, we won't spoil any of those. There's some great, great stuff coming down the pipeline there. But yeah, I don't know.

It's just, I mean, it's not like, like I had been there. I kind of knew what to expect. What was the most surprising element of it for you of just like the entire arena or the size of it or what it wasn't that yeah the size i mean just like the very serious structure of the arena one of just like man it's a it's a it's a it's not a massive building in terms of like the amount of people that it seats but like how fast this went up and how big the beams are and how big the screen is how big the technology is and how um how you know obviously everyone knows it got to knows it got delayed a year when the the previous site collapsed but it's just it's really

impressive and i would i don't know if this is that surprising but it's just like it's so it's so easy to get caught up in the competition in terms of like wanting i loved video i don't play video games anymore but i used to love them and i love golf and it's like combining those two things in a competitive way like you and i played a match and i did not want to lose that match we had hammers involved and so like yeah do we joke about like the the way the teams are formed and and like the the fake structure of it all sure but i totally get how these guys can get in that environment get super competitive and have fun like that that was what stuck out to me about season one was like the guys are having fun and that makes it easier to watch and makes it you know it didn't feel

like they were being forced to be there in any way and it led to some really fun entertaining competitive moments against all odds because again this is something that nobody was asking for ever and so you're up against that kind of that hurdle uh on top of just like yeah it's an indoor golf league, but I said this, the two worst things about indoor golf are hitting off mats and hitting into a screen that's right in front of you. And this has neither of those. And it does make a difference. Yeah,

and the putting is, yeah, you're not putting into a screen. You're putting into a real hole. And again, no one asking for it, but I think it's added to the golf world. And I'm buying for season two. Yeah, I agree. I think the, uh, also I'd never really spend any time with Cam. Cam's the man. Yeah,

looks great. What a good dude. Just, just, you know. steady and yeah real and then yeah are you are you two yeah two things two things uh one you you guys should get down there we try to inject a little bit more life into the uh into the crowds and you know in any good market if you're buying somebody has to be selling so i i will take the the counter side of this this buy i would be concerned if i remain very very pessimistic and it's just not my thing but that i would i would expect nothing nothing else, Randy. I would honestly, if you were buying, I'd be like, oh, it's a bubble. It's a bubble. We got to get out. We got to get out. Exactly. Exactly. We zoomed over and spent the afternoon over at the park. You may remember the park from, I don't even remember what event they played there under the lights. But Rose and Max. Yeah, that was the co-ed under the lights. Yeah. It is a Gilhance design in, in West Palm. It is a public access golf course. T.C. You've been there before.

tell us about the project again this is not a new project and you had played it before but we've not we've not dedicated much time to talking about this on the show we filmed this round as well you'll be able to see every shot every hole when that'll be some time in in 2026 but man I you you you said big things before we went and you had somehow undersold it if I may say I love yeah I love it it's it's it's Gil Gill and Jim you know it's it's a good piece of land it's so much more rolling and dramatic than you think especially in the back nine than you think south florida golf could possibly be it feels like australian sandbelt golf at times it's probably the closest i've found it i haven't played fall line yet in georgia or

maybe you know maybe a couple of things out out in california but like otherwise it's it's as on the ground as as possible we caught it on a pretty soft uh slower like greener stretch too and and you know like that like when i first played it it was much firmer we didn't get any wind either like it can it's a real golf horse you got to hit creative real golf shots yeah i don't know it's just it's an impressive operation the you just it just like and i know it's expensive for locals but i think it's truly world class And it's, it's not a, it's not a mute. It's not a cheap muny, right?

It's a, it's a, it's not that expensive for what it is, I would say. But it's not a, it's a middle, upper tier priced golf course for a world class experience. Like it is. It is. And I think the rate in November, and I know it goes up in December, December through April is their peak period. And that goes up in the 250 to 350 range. Our rate, I think was, uh, or the rate in November. November, I believe, is around $180, $188 that in November is a freaking deal, man.

We were just, we stayed in a hotel nearby and we paid, what, 139 a night for our, our hotel nearby, right by, it's right by Palm Beach Airport. It's 10 minutes away. And that's where I'm like, this is jumping off the page for me, for anyone that lives in a cold weather state to book a November golf trip, go stay at an airport hotel near or PBI and book three or four rounds paying $188 a round. If you, you know, $500 flight, they've got a caddies. They got a great caddy program there.

Caddy program three nights. But if you wanted to do it on the cheap, you could, you could do an entire trip, car, food, golf, and stay for under $2,000 in incredible weather, like in the mid-70s, low 80s in West Palm to play a awesome golf course, like really, really freaking good golf course. You said it is like the sandbelt. I mean, there are holes you get there. I'm like, oh, there's number five at Melbourne West. Like, that's one of the greatest golf holes in the world. Like, that's a replica. There's 17 at Rome. Replical hole. You, yeah, you, you were almost quizzing me like, oh, let's get to the end of this hole and tell me what hole you think this was. I'm

like, oh, that's blah, blah, blah, at Royal Melbourne. Like, it is, I definitely thought you were exaggerating when you said it's like the Melbourne sandbelt. It's a close thing you've seen to the Melbourne sandbelt. And like, I walked out the front night. I'm like, dude, that was awesome. And you're like, dude, the back nine is where it's at. Like, it is, Randy, you got to get there, man. It is, it's really, really, really good. And the finishing, like, it's, it's great. And then the finishing stretch is even better than all that before.

Like, I walked away just on, I mean, that drive home was four hours. And I didn't even, it was nothing to me because I was on such a high walking off that golf course. And I played awful. Like, I'm just spoiled that part of the video. I played pathetic golf. No, that's exciting. I mean, we have some like a little strap. You could, you know, you could do your own strap trip down there.

Shit, we could do a strap trip down there. With your budget, yeah, with your budget, you could easily get a strap trip in down there. You go play the Par 3, the Palm Beach Par 3 as well. There's some, God, now it's going from good to great for me. There's a killer Cuban restaurant right around the corner from the park that we went to the first time I was down there. There's this place, Aoli, which is this awesome, like, bakery lunch restaurant. I love it. Like, I used to hate South Florida, but like, or I just didn't know Palm Beach at all.

It's, I mean, it's still like super weird bizarre place. But I like it. It's interesting. And I like going there for two or three days at a time. And it's a, it's a weird change of pace. And, you know, Jupiter, Obe Sound, even down to Delray and Fort Lauderdale, not a lot of great golf down there either. People reach out all the time, hey, I'm going to, going to Palm Beach. I'm going to Florida, where I should pick off, like, go to the park.

Go. No brain. The park. Yeah. And so we talked about great dunes, you know, a couple weeks ago or a week or two ago. Like, great dunes popped up. You know, that's back on the map up here just north of us here in Georgia. Like, if you're coming to Jacksonville, make great dunes a part of your, your itinerary on that front.

But, man, like, even if you're going to like Orlando or something like that, I would drive a couple hours down to Palm Beach from Orlando to play the park. It's absolutely worth it. I mean, it's worth making a special trip down there just to play. That's what I'm saying. Different pins, the size of those greens, like you play, you play different T's every day if you wanted to. Like, I would want to loop that place three to four times on a single trip. Like, you don't need to build multiple courses in, I would say.

Because that's the whole thing is like that golf area is littered with private golf courses and nothing. I'm not that experience down there. Nothing of private or public access that even sniffs the level of what they've accomplished at the park. They got a lit nine whole course there as well, Randy. I know that you would love that. Randy, it's called the lit nine, Randy. Well, let's get lit. Yeah.

Get out there, get my shirt untucked. God, dang. Great range. Chipping and putting greens. Like, there are a bunch of kids out there as well. Just like, that's a place that's got a lot of positives going on in the world of golf. So shout out to Lignton and everybody down there that like made it a reality. Legitimately, that's very cool to hear.

I look forward to, uh, the video cool that's going to wrap us a lot to talk about on a on a november sunday evening greatly appreciate you all spending your time with us and you randy and tc for spending your time with us uh as well in this evening time to get to the clapper uh hopefully get you there in time for for half time tc i think it's i think it's like 31 to 7 or so i'm getting a lot of alerts for fantasy points for matthew staff rams are just eating asses eating so all right thank you everyone for tune in we'll see you back here next week jerry Thank you.