No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1095: New Zealand - Tara Iti and Te Arai

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

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Sala here, you're going to be hearing a conversation here shortly with Neil and T.C. This was recorded. Gosh, we've been sitting on this one for a long, long time. They made a trip out to New Zealand to play Tariari to play Tari back in March, I believe it was. And they came back and just downloaded all of their thoughts from the trip. We've been saving this one for kind of for the fall, kind of for the end of the summertime time period down here in Australia, New Zealand. and we'll have some more Australia content coming out in the weeks that are coming as well.

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Here is Neil and T.C. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. This is T.C. And I'm joined for a special one today. A fun one and offbeat one by my brother, my colleague, Mr. Neal Schuster. Sir, how are you? T.C. Always good being with you on a Friday.

You know, I'm feeling it, man. I was a little Pete just walked back in the door from the park. Nice day. Got a 5.45 a.m. round out at LaTarette on Staten Island. We are not talking about Staten Island. We were talking about another island, a far, far away island on today's episode. But I made double on 18 to shoot 74 today. Just kind of, you know, kind of standard stuff.

So, but played good. Was it a self-inflicted wound? Oh, I kind of hit a drive up. right and it's a tree line course one of my i'd say in the top two or three of the public courses in new york uh i put a met golf tournament out there like a couple weeks ago i don't know when this is coming out but this is where it's may 30th right now and i just hit it like kind of under a dead tree and i i hit i had like 140 in and i i was like oh no problem clearing these overhanging branches i just hit this branch like so square and it went like 30 yards right into like

the deep deep trees and then And it was like, oh, boy. Like, and I made like a, you know, an honest double. But I'm, you know, standing. It's like, God, I didn't see that coming. Just a, just a white squall double to finish it off. But, you know, play great the rest of the day. So, but got around three and a half hours.

I played with the bogey boys. Shout out to Evan, Mike, Cal. Normally Jerry's involved, but when one of them came. Jerry's in the, Jerry's in France. He texted me this morning. He is in France. So he was bummed. He saw, he saw those guys.

They got their chat. They're very exclusive, these bad golfers. They only call me up when they absolutely need a fourth. They're like, no, you're too good. I'm like, I don't care. We played in three and a half hours. As long as you guys play fast, I don't give a shit what you shoot. You can start playing left-handed.

Evan had two burgies today. Evan never has birdies. I think you shot like 94 or something. He had this stupid hitch where he was like throwing his club face over with his wrist at the beginning of it. And I was like, stop, stop doing that. Stop it. You need help. And we fixed it.

So it's good morning. I'm tired, though, but let's, let's dive in. Sorry to, sorry to. No, all good. Well, first of all, I didn't even know they did 545 T times in the United States, at least. That's wild. Also, you're kind of bearing the lead. You had a pretty good round yesterday, huh?

I did. I shot 69 yesterday. Okay. I'm sure we'll talk about that on a. People probably hear about that before this comes out, but I yeah man just a pretty ho-hum one too couple bogeys five birdies at meadowbrook which is like a big boy golf course a place i've wanted to see for a long time met golf association had like their uh partner summit they asked me to speak on a panel with with rich learner roger's

there but he couldn't make it i think he's in like london or something uh and then this woman selina who's a peloton instructor it does like golf mobility courses and i think like tread and strength courses on Peloton. I'm sure people would recognize her. And God, Rich is such a pro. I mean, it was, I was truly a highlight because I've spent a little bit of time with him. I met him at Pebble a couple of years ago, but we had breakfast together. And we were, he started laughing because they came to get us for this panel. And he was like, man, you should, we should just been rolling mics. We were, we were covering a lot of ground. We were talking about problems with public golf in New York. We're talking about Rory. Like, he's awesome, man. I don't think Rich gets enough.

I think he is a he reminds me at Ernie Johnson on TNT like for me I think he is the unspoken hero of Live from and keeps it on the rails and talked a ton of live from and how that show is doing so it was just it was awesome hanging out with him I haven't really spent a ton of time with him and he's a total where where is Meadowbrook meadowbrook is right off same exit you would get off to go to the creek or piping rock and it's kind of like this trying Meadowbrooks right off the highway and it it's really cool long island you're not used to seeing a property that has a bunch of space and this is a big ballpark they could a thousand percent host a pro event there the assistant pro pate was a was caddying for us and he said i think they may have

looked at taking the barclays there long ago yeah you know then it was a northern trust blah blah blah i don't know if the membership doesn't small membership maybe three or four hundred but it's more like the the MGA does events out there every few years like players club big they can stretch it out to like 75 700 we played it at we played the red T's which are like the men the third T's back and it says on the card that they're 66 or maybe 6800 I put it in as the combos because I felt like they were up so I think we were playing around 6,400 but I'll take 69 real deal greens I just know and And I, the thing I'm most proud of, TC is no three puts, no doubles, no lost balls.

DJ and I always say that's the perfect game. You could shoot 90 and do that. And I didn't. I shot 69, but I've never done all three of those things in the same round. You've never done all three of those things in the same round? No, I've never done that. That's wild. I've done two or three.

I've done, you know, one of three. But that's the first time since I've been tracking that like stack because I'm always on the lookout for it. And I want to shout out John Sherman. my guy, practical golfer, who we did a video with, he was at the summit and we played together. So comfy pairing. There you go. Yeah. He was, he was like, whoa, I'm like, I'm doing it, man.

And he was, we didn't really talk about it. And I made a birdie on, we started on two. So my last hole was number one as a par five. And I was kind of, you know, bouncing off the guardrails a little bit coming down the stretch on. I made a really good par save on 18, which is a par five. And then I made birdie from like, after a snappy drive. into the rough and then another snappy second shot I hit a really good wedge like five feet and I just made this put downhill slider and I turned to I was like guys that's a career

but like best now I didn't hit at all the cups you know it's kind of like a part you know like a shotgun don't want to take it too serious but there is no impropriety I think I scooped three puts that all of them not even close to more than two feet you know what I mean like nothing I made a ton of four and five footers out of As we got into the round, I started to finish everything. So I feel very good, sleeping well. I wish I would have hit all the cups, but I didn't. But I don't feel like there was any type of Irish dropping or no max doubles or anything

like that. So feeling really good. Well, I've seen some online appointments with John on your calendar lately. That's a different, John. That's a different job. Yes. And you're right. I told the other John Sherman about this.

I had, I think Jonathan Schramm is his name. He reached out to me about a month ago. I thought it was Sherman, like with no vowels. No. Like what happens? And this is kind of big news. He's getting his PhD in sports psychology. And he's like kind of looking for some reps, I think.

So he's kind of like, I'd like to do some mental coaching. It's kind of sweet, man. We've just met like twice for an hour. I met after the, I was like, all right, well, let's use it for these Met golf things. I'm playing in. Yeah. And actually one of the things we were talking about is I, I don't know, God, we're going to talk about golf in New Zealand, but I'll tell you this because it's, it's

news of the day, I guess. I have, I'm a pretty pragmatic thinker. You know how, you know, we run this business. I'm, I don't, what we kind of settled on was like, I don't, I have a tough time believing any kind of bullshit. I feel like I got a decent bullshit meter. And I, I, I'm really bad at bullshitting myself. So, like, I shot 75 in this Publinks qualifier.

I missed the cut to be in the top seven by two strokes. I was like T-11, which, but I was like 75, no doubles, rainy day. We filmed it. That'll come out here soon, but pretty good about that. Like, you know, I've got to be honest. And he was like, man, that's probably the difference between you and a lot of these guys that play like pro or high level golf is that they, they bullshit themselves. Like in from a golf standpoint sometimes, like they, they're like. They don't allow themselves to settle.

Yes. And I do. you know something I was explaining to him like I made an eagle on the eighth hole and I I you know if I'm being honest my mindset there was I made the putt but it's like I I was already probably saying to myself like yeah even if you two put this it's still you know like we're still ahead you know what I mean and don't bargain with yourself I was bargain I bargain and I I'm almost like too honest he's like you need to maybe you know just for yourself figure out how you can like believe your own bullshit a little bit and I think yesterday when I shot 69 I kind of did like I putted the lights out I was making and everything. And I didn't let myself slip into that thought of like you're going to regress. You do not like sometimes I'll or the other thing. Well that that's the thing like you can almost trick yourself. I don't even think it's tricking yourself. Past returns don't necessarily indicate future results. And I think on, you know, on a certain level, if you're just taking it a shot at a time or whatever, like you can raise your floor, right, by just focusing on small stuff and that sort

the thing and just have i think there's a difference between having expectations and having like optimism yeah if that makes sense i think you're very good at this you you have a knack for like riding a hot hand because i i'm i'm a bit of a historical thinker of like well that you know the data would not even the data like history would tell me that this is not normal but like yesterday when i was vibing i i realize another thing i I was telling my mental coach, if I call it that. It was, you know, a whole team now. Like, I'm, hey, man, I'll take the help.

I love it. I was saying, I can't remember. I was actually thinking about it. I don't, like, I'm par three's. I can't remember the last time I was like, I'm taking dead aim. Even on like shots from like 110 to 130 where I don't allow myself to just see the flag a lot and be like, yo, just make it. You know, and like a, not, no, and there's like a nuance to it, not like, I'm going to make this.

then you're disappointed, but more like, hey, why don't we try to like dunk this? I'm going to cheat it three feet left and, and, and miss on that side. And it's like, there are some shots where there's not, there's not trouble on other side. And it's just, just try to make it. It's a bit like, right. Just try to hit the bullseye here. And I did that. I had three birdies in a row and I did that on two of them with wedge.

I had like hit great drives. And I just had these kind of like, you know, 1.18 is a number I love. I was like, dude, just this is it. like just try to just try to make this one and I it's like four feet it's like huh that's kind of like small miss small I know and I don't do that specific thing like visualize just like see the flag you know this number you're good enough to just like drop this on the stick I don't it's so crazy how little I do that in golf and I think that even talking through that with somebody has already help and I don't want to say like oh my God like we're never looking back but

it was just really fun to like see that happen to Nico deris about that a lot like being able to do that but with nuance too of like you know not getting ferried away and not having to go you know do that with with you know 18 times around it's like all right you got you're going to have like four of these around sometimes and just take advantage of them right no know where those are or don't don't get reckless they were the green light moments it wasn't like hey 175 coming around a tree it's like no dude it's it's it's a gap wedge from 1 18 you should like be hitting your ears back and i i still hit those shots as you saw in new zealand i i'm way too defensive when i'm in when i should be playing offense so anyway let's get to the to the point of today's podcast our

trip down to new zealand yeah you're set it up a little bit we got talk to a buddy of ours i don't know i'll keep him anonymous just because you know i don't i don't want to blow up his spot but good buddy of ours reached out i think probably early like early to mid-march was like hey i'm gonna i'm gonna go down in new zealand uh looking for a couple compadres to go down with we're gonna do this little Aussie versus u.s kind of rider cup match four on four and i said i'm there brother and i think i can get kneel there too so um what made it happen let me let me pick it up right there because that's important it was probably a month maybe five weeks advanced notice busy you know busy spring yeah tc hits me up and i'm like yeah i mean ah god that's a tough ask you

know and and i mean by the time this pot is coming out you know i got another kid on the way we just found out about that i was like damn i'm gonna have to talk to carson about that and before i could tc pulled the the ultimate outflanking he called carson directly called my wife to and was like, you know, I got this trip. It's like really good opportunity. Neil never says yes to stuff, which is, you know, somewhat true. And so then Carson texts me, she said, you should go to New Zealand. And, you know, the timing did work.

We were going home to Atlanta for Easter. So we flew from Atlanta and it was kind of adding on to a trip. And like, welcome to the twisted mind of TCs. Like, yeah, man, we can make this work. And let's just go to the other side of the world. Again, living with optimism instead of. But now I do think, you know, T.C. Yeah, sometimes I get a little bit like, hey, TC, you know, we can't go everywhere every week.

I think you corrupted me. You knew that if you had done this without me, I would have been like, yo, man, what's busy season? What are you doing? But instead, you just kind of, kind of corrupted me. No, I think late April, we always, like, that's always been kind of a travel window for us, postmasters. That's fair. Yeah. Free, everything getting crazy in May again, lead up to, you know, a bunch of signature events and

PGA, then U.S. Open and all that. And yeah, I don't know, it was just one of those things kind of ended the season down there. But yeah, I was like, cars that I'm calling you, like, both as Neil's colleague, because I know, like, you've been working hard on all of our, like, you do all of our business stuff, right?

I don't like a hard to shop unmanned. You know, I don't like, I don't like it when the register has nobody manning it. Yeah, and so, you know, I'm like, all right, I can tell he's, he's kind of burned the candle at both ends, trying to, trying to get that stuff sorted. And then, you know, just as fun fun trip as as uh as brothers too it was great and i appreciate it uh now i i want to pause

because i got and i these message like this doesn't normally sting but this was a personal trip this was this was kind of out of our pockets and you know we cashed in some miles i've got you know getting into the airline miles game with tc coaching you up to get a lay flat and work the system was uh was a pleasure but i got to know we talked a little bit about this trip on a pot, I think after maybe Byron Nelson, kind of an off week, because Sally had been in Belfast and we were talking about our trip. And I got a note for my guy. And, you know, he was kind of like, I don't, I think he started off like, I don't want to be a dick, but it's like unbearable to listen to you talk about going to all these unbelievable places and, you know, I'm never

going to be able to go. And I was like, I hate that vibe. And I don't want this pod to sound like that, but I disagree with that because yes, Tara Eadie itself, the main course we're going to talk about, That is very, very exclusive in private. And I, you know, you're going to have to, but it is possible to play if, you know, I think it's a worthy goal. But the other two, T or I North and TRI South, you can go play these courses and you should. And I was actually surprised by how manageable the travel was from the West Coast. Dude, people go from San Francisco or L.A.

They go for the weekend. Yeah. And I, we didn't do anything but play golf in this trip. I think we played like 170 something holes of golf. But I could see a trip going back with Carson at some point and, you know, exploring the North Island of New Zealand and stopping at Tierraide, North and South for a night. You know, you could play one course, one day, one course and next, and then be on your way. So I don't. And also I got five other messages from, you know, listeners in Australia.

So I just kind of, I, I, who say who were positive. Who are, it's awesome that you guys are covering this golf. You went on the podcast and, um, with a guy. Yeah, Charlie Mercer from George Fook, NZ. That was a pleasure. Like, yeah. And I just think like, I know sometimes I take that kind of feedback a little personal where it's like, man, I don't want this to sound like, look how cool our life is.

Because like we personally invested in this trip. This was not like a company trip. And I can tell you that like all in, it's in the, you know, the flights and stuff were probably like they were under 2K with all the, you know, even the lay flat stuff. if you start cash in the points correctly, it's very doable. And if you're going to go down there to see New Zealand, which I've always wanted to see, and I almost feel like I didn't go to New Zealand. I went to.

There's my second time and I feel like I've, you know, I haven't been to New Zealand. I've been to Terry Edy and TRI. But it's like it's not as, it's far, but it's almost not as far as you think in a weird way. I wanted to get that thing off my chest because that's not what this is about. I think that Terry Eadie is a very influential golf course and like modern golf. architecture i think it's worth discussing and then talking about the two other courses that are publicly accessible and very good and i'm glad we got to see him so anyway i'll i'll stop there yeah no i think it's i think that's well said i think it's yeah you know you've got a correnshaw

over a tier i you've got a doke over tier i and then you've got the doke at at terriety so you've got you know arguably two two of the top three architects in the game right now who you know, we're are basically, you know, building stuff on some of the most spectacular golf land in the world. So, you know, I think it's, it's important for perspective. It's important for like knowing what's possible, you know, as far as architecture goes and stuff. Like, I've learned more about architecture playing Terry Eadie than I have just about anywhere else. Like it's, I mean, it's on par with Sandhills from, it's like Doak's version of Sandhills for Core Crenshaw. And Sandhills ushered in, Band and

dunes and, you know, all these other places that weren't really thought possible or viable prior. So, and yeah, like a big portion of our listenership is in Australia and New Zealand as well. So it's not, you know, and on the West Coast. But yeah, like, it's great. Like on the, on the flight over, you get, you get in, you lose a whole day. You know, like we flew from San Francisco on the way there. And, you know, it's what, like 15, 14, 15 hours from San Francisco. It was 14 from San Francisco, and we flew on Tuesday and got there on Thursday morning. And it was very cool coming into Auckland. I didn't realize how big Auckland was.

It's a large- Proper city. Proper city. And just, I also didn't, I didn't realize how many islands there would be surrounding it and kind of in the vicinity of the center of town. And you kind of fly over it. And we did a big loop like flying west. Then you loop back and you land coming back east. And it's like perfect morning light. And it's so green and hilly.

It's just really easy on the eyes flying into New Zealand. Very cool. Yeah. So you lose a day on the way there. But basically, you know, like the time change isn't that different overall. Like I don't think it, it's not crazy to get back on schedule. And then, you know, we drove, what, hour and a half, hour, 45 minutes northward. You could take a helicopter if you're so inclined.

We did not. But yeah, it was an easy drive. like you're kind of on the main highway and then you you get off into these kind of pastoral lands yeah and we yeah so we got there we played we were a little bit delayed coming in and we we ended up playing 18 holes like this is kind of the tail end of the season this would be their version of early to mid-November late april i guess even you know kind of in the lead up to like what our thanksgiving would be in the northern hemisphere so you know very much like kind of end of the season

this is still pretty tropical that far north though like you're you're you know very very northward on on the north island so you know still kind of and it's pretty you know pretty just

great condition year round I think weather just gets a little bit more unsettled in the spring and the fall so they had a little bit of rain in the lead up but we got kind of all conditions it was similar like that first trip we ever took to abandoned you know where we just got like you know there's there's rain dancing around you get some sunny days you know so it was different from the first time i've been down i've ever been

anywhere where the radar is as schizophrenic when you're looking at like because the uh tier i resort those two courses are probably 10 miles up the road maybe less five miles yeah yeah it's just kind of around that headland i mean we got so lucky because we were almost dodging it like when we were up there, you could look down the coast and be like, oh, my God, they're getting dumped on it, Terry Edy, and then vice versa. And it would change. And I love it when you got to, you know, get ready for the backpacking. Like, you got to got, you got to have everything in the bag. And, you know, the rain gear's coming on and off all day. And the, the, um, the fact that was late season, it wasn't hot. So you could, what the, the hack is you just rock like rain pants with

boxers underneath you know or or long johns if it's cold it just keeps you so versatile where you're like yeah i'm good i'm good if it's not raining i'm just going to wear these rain pants i'm committed to them and i was basically living in those so that was great yes we played that first just to kind of set the stage we played that first day overall we played two rounds a piece on north and south uh on south like we played kind of some team games and stuff we played a scramble on north a two-man scramble which is very fun highly recommend for a

buddy's golf trip like if you're playing a 36 whole day in the middle of the trip the two-man scramble was so much fun for for comp if you're playing it seriously for competition like oh god it was awesome

I was like I kind of expected to hate it because I was thinking normal four-man scramble I'm not going to hit enough shots and I did not feel that way we had all all manner of handicaps on the trip i mean we had you know one through 20 so uh you know worked well for that and then we played what we played six for five or six rounds at at tari so we got to really dig in we got to do yeah we got to do a you know full on like you know

play your own ball we have to play all the teas we got to do You know, we played, what, some sort of best ball or some sort of scramble one of the days on the nine hole loop, too. It was, I don't know, it was, it was just a, it was a great, like, a lot of variety going on. So what were your expectations going in, you know? I mean, they were high. All I've seen are, is kind of imagery. I mean, honestly, the Taurus season one, Sally's experience there. I really haven't seen much other video footage of it.

That course kind of turns me around. Like I've seen these unbelievable shots of the like seventh hole. But I had no context for like what, where, how is that oriented? And so the course has always just been like photographically stunning, but I don't, I never knew much about it. And I would say it, it is an awesome routing. It's an awesome golf course. It's a strategic golf course. It's, you know, it happens to be on the water.

And I feel like the best comparison I've had, and I have to go to courses that I've played, is Ballet Neal in eastern Colorado. And I really like that course. And that's a Tom Doke course as well. And I think this is a better version of that. And it's just hard to be. I mean, there's just like spooky islands about 25 miles off the coast. And some of the, you can tell that Doak was very thoughtful about how we routed and framed some of these greens to match up and fit with the view of island right behind the hole and it just feels like it was a very thoughtfully designed course

which i you know we'll get to i i i don't feel that way about all of tom doke's work but this is it was stunning and the dune stuff the i i probably expected to be a little bit more rugged maybe it the the the course sits down pretty close to the water like from an elevation standpoint so it doesn't rock your socks like like the dunes would in ireland it's a little bit more subtle than that But the vastness of the of the coastline and these islands off in the distance is really unique. And then I would say one other thing that all the imagery I've seen of Terry Edie before going has this, there's this really unique hue to the native. It has this grayish, not quite golden, but grayish look to it. And I was like, is that filtering?

I always thought like, man, somebody's just, everybody's just juicing their photography the exact same way of. that can't be real and it is it's like this weird hue that i've never seen anywhere else in the world this weird like grayish color like uh sepia tone but it's real it's like you're there and like oh my god that's exactly what the picture looks like and so that's just i don't know what to do with that i don't know what listeners will do with that but like when you see a picture at terry you're like man that native looks very very unique it truly is nobody's messing with that picture so i was happy to see that we'll flash some some pictures up throughout this too but yeah I think that's I think my biggest thing like having having been

there kind of height of season like you know early March time frame versus late April it was you know very much like a I think seeing it in these different lights was really interesting like seeing clouds like we got a bunch of wind right off the ocean which normally the prevailing tends to be coming from the other direction so you know it's playing really hard all like number six or 14 coming in but like to your point on the you know a whole like like number nine where you get the little peak through the dunes at the the you know islands in the distance and it's just the perfect framing there or i'll tell you the whole same thing like 14 it's my favorite hole weird like maybe kind of weirdly because i think seven like you're you'll probably talk about

seven one of the best short par fours in the world and i would agree with that God, that hole gave me all kinds of nightmares. Number five is a par five. It kind of comes back towards the clubhouse and towards the water. And I just think it's like the most handsome hole on the course. It's this really inviting T shot. And you know, again, you're mixing up the T's. So these bunkers, there's a really not fun bunker all down the right, just waist area kind of all down the right side of the hole.

And then there's some kind of, you know, if you, if you take it too far left. very generous landing area and it's right depending on the weather it's kind of right on the edge of getting home every time we played it which is awesome because what you you probably should do is lay up to a very generous layup area and then this green's like way left yeah way left and then hit like a hundred yard shot in to a green that's really really wide and pretty narrow front to back with like a devastating pot bunker and then like this you know milk carton waist bunker on the right but it just goes you into trying to hit that green and the whole based on they can pin it like 10,000 it's a huge green so they can pin it everywhere and you got like a a big i don't know

catch what would you call it like a hill on the right so you can play it off of that and it just kind of fires up my imagination without being like it's not too done up there's there's some there's two or three big features on a really long hole and then but the the the the cherry on on top for me is as you walk towards the green like if you're going to hit that that layup shot that these islands I'm talking about in the distance are framed like perfectly it's like a hammock laying between two dunes so you come around the dune on the right and the green will will sit perfectly like it almost looks like a painting with the two dunes being the frame it takes what used to be like this whole panoramic of the ocean and it just puts it like nope now we're

just going to look directly with this island centered behind the green I just thought it was like, that has to be intentional. It's just like perfectly done. And the way the green sits in between these two dunes, I, this is, I probably took like 50 pictures of this whole. So I'll make sure they're in, if you're watching this on YouTube. There's so many, that's the thing for me is there's so many layers, right? Like, I've probably played, I don't know, 12 or 13 rounds out there at this point.

And every picture I take, I feel like the place just, it's truly like this little two degree picture of this 365 degree view all around you and it's like it's impossible to capture the place and and every time I've been I you know there's been a different wind or there's been every round there's been a different wind or there's been different keys or different pins and like every single round it gets better and better and better and I think it's you know it's like right there with probably my favorite golf course in the world and like you know whereas I think over at TRI with the South course with the core cruncher

like that's a spectacular walk along the ocean that makes you feel in certain spots like you're at Sheep Ranch abandoned or you know certain spots you feel like you're abandoned trails even like there's some holes up in the in the woods and stuff but that one to me like the first time you play it

you're like oh this is like an 8.9 and the next time you play it it's like it's either going to stay the same or it's going to get a little bit you know it's going to go down a little bit in your book just because there's not that many layers to it. It's, it's just a really pleasant, wonderful walk and great golf holes, but there's something, there's something, there's so much depth at Territi where, and it's the same thing at, you know, a place like, like Sandhills, you know, or a place like, you know, I mean,

really like, I would say Pacific Dunes as well of like, you know, you just get, you just get a different look every time and you feel like you're playing a brand new golf course every time. And he's definitely not as turned up as Pacific Dunes. And I think. And sometimes it's just a land. Like, for sure. Yeah.

But I think it, uh, you and Soli have had the critique of, of Pacific Dunes, I think is right, which is summed up in the 14th hole at Pacific Dunes where, where it's like the, the prevailing wind was not taken into consideration when designing that par three. It's just like, ah, this doesn't really work here. Like trying to hit that green downwind, which is the prevailing wind is like, what do we, you know, this is kind of a stupid shot, which I agree with. I feel like Terry Edy took into account the elements. I can only think of one spot on the course where I thought the,

and I think it's the 12th hole, the par four up up the hill with the blind T shot. And then you come around, you got to hit that like, you know, usually that's a crazy green that likes driver out of your hands on a blind shot. And then the green, yeah, it's like the green that fall off the left side is like a little too severe.

You know, and it's really hard to play. it way, you can play it way up into the hill, but you're hitting like a seven, eight iron in there. That's the only spot where it's like when the wind's blown, you're like, man, this is just like, I'm getting kicked in the nuts. But you got the opposite wind where the prevailing wind is actually in there. So it would help you hold that green and stuff. Like that, that's one of the holes that's probably grown on me the most since I just kept playing and playing and playing it. But like going

back to, I think it's one of the most brilliant routings I've ever seen. where you've got three short par fours on the course, but at no point does it ever feel gimmicky or too getable or whatever. I think the front's definitely easier than the back, but you've got this little three-hole loop on the front, and there's all these spots where you could go play a three, five, six-hole loop all over the course. You'd just be like, all right, I'm going to take a left here,

and I can play these three holes. So one, two, and three go in this little loop, and one doesn't look like much. when you're teeing off and it like depending upon where the pin is and what the wind is doing and how you want to attack that hole you can you can drive it way up the right and pack your way back at it you can lay up short like and i think one of the great things about the stuff off the tea is there's there's always trouble on both sides like there's there's always trouble on you know like all right if you want to push one up the right and you're going to have to worry about

the hazard on on the inside of the dog leg or you're gonna have to worry about the stuff on the other side going through if you get over aggressive something like that I wouldn't even say it's a hazard though it's no it's just there lost one ball which is a kind of a like a freak accident there's just like really dense bush

on the 15th the par 3 15th which is like a par 3 it's like a portal to another it was like a portal it was a black hole like everybody was like I don't know I mean and it's this bush that's probably like three by three that sits in like the like face of the bunker and I just mortared it and it was like we had like a tight match going it was like oh my god it was like if I had a bucket of balls I couldn't drop a ball in that bush again uh and that was

like one of the only balls I like went down into like the earth's core and uh and I think you said hazards it's not hazard it's just like waste area so again like at Pinehurst number two with that. And I like that. It's like, yeah, if you hit it on number one, if you hit it left, you're going to find that ball. But it's like you're going to have a blind, weird, weird lie and a blind shot to like a big green. But like, okay, you're, you know, you're making par it best here. And that's, that's totally, it's very fair in that way. A quick break here to check in with our friends at the stack. You've heard me talk a lot about the many benefits of the stack system, particularly the speed training. I'm going to talk to a little bit today about stack putting.

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one's a good example like you can hit whatever you want off that tea. You get a seven iron if you wanted. You get a driver. But, you know, it's kind of a brilliant modern hole where, like, you can't really drive the green. And, you know, you're going to have to kind of hop over the little, little bunkers there. To do as an homage to, you know, the founder has a place at Riviera and there's a bunker in the middle of the green. We, we were kind of playing it up the right side the whole time. We had, we had pins on the right side of that one. And then three and then I think three is where what do you think what do you think about do you think it's a good homage to Riviera or I think it's cool it's cool if you mix up the the T's we didn't

really get the full experience they didn't change change that whole location all that much I think they were doing doing some work on that one so um that was one whole that I loved when I the first round I was like oh this is sick and then as I played it more I was like ah this is fine you know that's one that hasn't grown on me as much because I think the ball the ball just ends up down the left a lot right but then like you know i think three three is a ball buster of a four is such a good golf hole you know and and this natural green site that just sits i mean they're all natural green sites but it just sits down underneath this dune and this little saddle and uh one of two probably two biggest dunes on the course and it looks like

it's just like a big pyramid sitting at the left and and it's similar to number one and One of the design features I like throughout the course is the ability to play, like on par fours, like up, like what you're saying about one, you can, you can go way down the right, almost past the green and come back to it. Like when a green kind of takes a hard, like sits on the side of a hole and the fairway kind of runs up the right or up the left, like past the green, I think that's a really cool feature because it's obvious, like don't miss left here. but everything is like the ocean's like everything's pulling you left the hill is almost gradually going left so you kind of get sucked into this gravity a little bit and if it's back left you can hit it over the dune but otherwise you can kind of drop it into this little half pipe you know terrain like almost like skate park green off the left and then it'll go straight left on you and it's not like like you said if you get out of play or out of position off the tee you can always hit the heroic shot

to get back in, you're just going to have to do just that, like hit the heroic shot. But it's possible and there's contouring and stuff to help you out. And then four, you know, four kind of goes along this, this like ridge line back the other direction. And there's this house that looks like a B2 bomber, you know, up on, like some of the coolest architecture you'll ever see anywhere, you know, some of the most avant-garde stuff. I don't want to digress to the architecture, but. it's this unbelievable architecture of these amazing houses but they all seem like even from

the outside and where we were staying they all seem somewhat simple constructions if that makes sense where which i love about it it's like the like we were staying in a guest house where i was like man this feels like a um i don't want to say like an inexpensive thing to put up but very simple in comparison to like what gets built in the u.s and i think i actually see this with destination golf in the U.S. too. I like the simple like golf resort guest housing is, I don't know, it's almost like an offshoot of architecture that should be studied from people that know more about that than I do.

I think there's a lot of cool like architecture stuff going on at these like remote courses because it's like, you know, there's not a lot of builders to do that stuff. So you almost have to make do with with like easy materials and stuff. But the design that the architecture was amazing. and a lot of like bond villain layers with you know like houses massive houses just like benched into hills where you can only like see a little bit of it it just gets your it gets your imagination firing yeah man i wonder if there's like a i wonder if there's a bunker under that one like it looks like there's room that things like right you know right under the you know right

between the the forest and the and the the sand of the dunes and all that stuff and then yeah like on the other side, you've got this massive, massive dune that's always kind of creeping back and forth. It's probably a couple hundred feet tall. And there's stuff, you know, like, that's kind of a different part of the course as well. That's, you know, there's different architecture over there, too. So it's, yeah, it's very, I mean, I think it's a pretty, pretty sought after commission down there of like, all right, I think, I think some of the best architects in the world are, you know, doing some of these places. But yeah, that's kind of the first, you know, short four where, like, you can drive it, you know, you can do any, like, I think the thing that I like about,

at least that one in 13 is it entices you to go for it instead of, I think there's too many short par fours these days that like all the trouble is just a bunker or a lake or a hazard of some sort where, yeah, like there's a, there's a bunker kind of cut into the front and then there's some stuff left. But overall, like you can kind of just, you know, you be may have a four put, but you can reach the surface and then there's, you know, like, it's not going to kick you in the face, right? And it's just lay the land stuff. A concept that I will bring up when we talk about to your ride north is specifically

to the fourth hole. If you, there's a center line, not quite pot bunker, but like small bunker. And if you fly that, if you challenge that bunker, you are likely to be on the front of the green. Like you get rewarded for it. You know, you get kind of, um, it. It flattens out up there. You're going to either have a pretty easy bump and run or you're going to be, depending

on the wind, you're going to be on the green, but or at the very least, and this is saying a lot with Tom Doak, you're going to have a clean look at the flag. You're going to see, the whole green is going to kind of, it's going to be right there. Like you did it. You made it up here. And I appreciate that. And so that like you're saying, it's like it's worth it to take that risk on because if you lay back, you're still hitting a blind 120 shot like winds within some direction.

You go long, it's not too penal. There's a bunker back there that, you know, isn't a bad spot. But I think another cool thing is like, I don't know, the bunkers are different every time you play it. Sometimes they have a bunch of sand. Sometimes they don't. Like they're all dependent on. Yeah, it's truly like natural golf. You know, certainly wasn't as like kind of peak of season firmness that we got.

Like, but it was still playing firm and fast. Like I think like they could get Terry 80, I think more burned out bouncy than just about anywhere. in the world um but that's kind of a great i i just just to shout out like fescue greens kind of a revelation for me i think we played a cow club fescue greens and i'm i my only experience really with them before this trip was old mac and i don't think those did too well i think they switched them to poa uh out at bandon they've let those go to poa i think the other the other courses at band and still have fescue greens but it's such a it's kind of a um it fools my senses a little bit playing fescue where they look shaggy to the eye and and and but

they just roll so true and you're like man it looks like this is this ball's gonna get twisted and turned a bunch bunch of ways but i mean you're proof of it god you putted so freaking good for like six days straight i i c made everything he looked at he and his caddy tady were just like telepathic in these it was i got my ass kicked like the whole trip by T.C. It was impressive. But, you know, once you're kind of in, in these fescue greens, I really enjoyed it. Like, I really like playing on those greens.

I didn't put well, but that was a, a carpenter issue, not a, not a tool or environment issue. But then, you know, so you've got kind of that, like, four whole loop up there that you, and then you can just go out and play that. Then you go over to nine and play in. But then, then you take a right and you go down and you play straight out. to the ocean on number five and you're like holy shit this is this is wild we've talked about that hole like there's there's another one just like on the back

number 11 that's you know absolutely spectacular similar concepts and everything and then six is like I don't know six is one of the harder holes on the course I would say that 14 and 15 just you know long par four

you know ocean or you know a bunch of jungle to the right and some death pungers to the left and crazy bunkers up by the green. But it's one of those holes where like if you hit it from the shorter T's even, I think it's just as hard of a hole because you're bringing just different how different bunkers into play. Very different angle.

So like the T is almost as you get. It's like a runway T like all along the left side. Yeah. And so it changes the angle of like how you have to fit the drive, you know, the T shot into the hole. But from that back TATU is from the back to yeah. It is. It's so intimidating.

And maybe more visually intimidating of, you know, if you just hit a good drive, you're kind of like, okay, we're in a good spot. But that's another place where the, the hole is framed with that sand dune you're talking about that's probably five plus miles down the beach is like perfectly pyramided behind this six green. And it's like another thoughtful thing that again, just gets you kind of fired up about like the earth, just like nature. You know, it's like because, you know, you, again, you're kind of picking different. You're not really playing this course to post a score. It's much more of a match play environment. And so it's much more of like hitting these shots that you've, you know, you come back the next day and you're like, God, I want to hit that shot again.

And specifically, we've got to get to this one, the T shot on seven. So T.C. Yeah. Take, take us to seven. It's a, I don't know, it's probably what, 260-ish, 270-ish, R4, you know, short four. big tree long left that kind of frames everything you have the clubhouse

up on this dune to the right bunkers long right this tiny little green I mean I think it's one of the if not the smallest green doaks ever built one of them kind of runs you know diagonal

to the hole and again it's another one of those holes where like the more I play it the more I'm like man I never want to lay up here because it's like you're going to have to hit like this like I feel better skipping or hitting a bunker shot or a long putt from there versus having to hit even a wedge into this green from 100 yards out is like absolutely terrifying and I don't

think my dispersion is tight enough to hit the green a lot of the time so you might as well just take on all the risk and for whatever reason like we had a crazy wind kind of off off the left or downwind some of the days. For whatever reason, it just fits my eye. And I think the first time, first trip down, I think I played it in three or four under par. And I think I was like five under on this trip. It's just like, I just love, whether it's three wood or mini driver or driver,

I just love the shot. It just brings something out of me. So as you mentioned, wind off the left. The clubhouse sits perched about 50 feet up on top of this big dune. kind of creates like an amphitheater along the right side of the hole with a you know some skinny waste area bunker at the bottom uh think about that wind off the left and tell me how how it went for me uh i was i hit it up on top of that dune almost into the same divot three times in a row like which is like up by nine green so i'm hitting this to this fire pit like 80 yard shot to a tiny green

from up there i made uh i finally made par on the hole the last time we played it. Otherwise, I was pretty much, you know, in my pocket, like putting into that dune or on top of that dune. But this is where going so far away kind of works against you. It's like, I should lay up on that shot. But I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to, like, I might never come back here. Like, I got to, I need to slay this dragon. I got to hit this shot. You know, it's, it's, uh, which is a credit to like how like fun of a golf hole it is where like I just I need I need to do this I need to like locate this ball at least in one of these green side bunkers or you know I'd regret it I'd be like oh I don't really want to hit seven iron you know 54 degree like that's what I should do but I don't want to so really really fun um exacting golf hole there I think I'm due for a regression at you know at some point like I'm going to make a couple of quads or something in a row on that hole but for the most part like I like that's the closest I've got to to an ace on a par four

to that that afternoon that we were all playing together as like an eight some that was awesome and it's like four inches and but yeah that like that's a shot like I think that's that's right there with like the second shot into the road hole at St. Andrews like probably you know three favorite shots in the world

like that that's which I think I know you've run a hyperbole I would say that's not a, that's not a hot take. It's unbelievable, yeah. It's just, it's that good. You know, so you got that seven hole kind of stretch there, and then you pop over the dune and you go to eight. I think eight's one of the most underrated holes in the entire course.

I love, love that hole. There's all this room up the left, and you got, you know, again, you got just staggered ridge lines and bunkers benched into stuff. And the way that green works, and you can use the backslope to kind of bring, you know, bring it back just an awesome hole and it's like super playable for for like high handicaps i'd say like a really good uh like example of minimalism you know as as as the uh the golf architecture

walks or want to say the caddies were telling me that that whole with these cross bunkers gives some guys that don't hit the ball very high like a ton of fits because they'll you know they'll play it out they can't get it up in the air high enough to carry the cross bunker that's the first one coming off the left but then it'll run when it's firm it'll run into the the next bunker that's probably 50 or farther up the right so they're like i don't they're like i kind of try to tell you know some of my older members like you got to hit like three wood here and they're like what are you talking about it's like well you're just going to end up in that like there's nothing we can do it's those bunkers are well placed um and and all the bunkers are native

there's no rakes anywhere so you just you know everything is native and then nine nine's similar the nine's almost like the inverse of four where or of three where you you know like it's just a ball buster it's like a par four and a half ball buster straight up the hill back up to the clubhouse and it's hidden by this dune on the right and you know same kind of concept though this this green just benched between these two dunes that's a good point it's like instead of being downhill it's uphill instead of the green on the left it's on the right i didn't think about it but it is pretty much an inverse. A little less turn to it, but a stout finisher to the front nine. And the kind of hole where like you could drop a bucket of

balls on that front of that green and probably get the ball to the whole like 40 different ways. Yeah. I'm going to play it off that slope, that slope, that slope, you know, that sort of thing. So and then you kind of go over towards the other side of the property and my opinion, like, I like, like 10's not a battle. There's not a, there's not even, like, it's like, it's, like, it's all relatives. I think 10's probably one of my least favorites on the course. It's a strong par three. It's a hard part three. You know, big bump there that you've got to really navigate. Otherwise, it's going to funnel everything short left and into this bunker down the left. But that's kind

of, you know, it just kind of gets you out to to the back nine a little bit. And then, you know, 11's another great, great par five, similar to everything you like about number five, you know, going, going out towards the ocean and a hundred different ways to play it and you know a little bit more turned up on the green like you can you can miss that one short and kind of kind of be in a tough spot and then we talked about 12 a little bit

you kind of go back the other way and like 12 I think plays really cool as like a short a shorter par four but that one I have so much trouble with that drive we're just looking you're just looking at this hillside that's almost disconcertingly close to you and you're like all right like you just got trust your caddy

And you're like, all right, hit this spot. And they're pointing it's up like farther, a lot farther left than you think you need to be. But everything, once you get over that hill rolls right. And yeah, I found that one to be very tricky, you know, and maybe that, again, it could be the, the wind we had. But I don't know. Sometimes when you have like a blind key shot that takes driver out of your hands, it's almost like, man, then it's just as hard on the next shot. It's a, that one was a little too turned up for me. And then you get, you know, backst up.

definitely harder. I think 13 is another short four. Similar concept, more kind of draped on the top of this this dune and you've got you know kind of this cool

like you get a look into the village and the town nearby on the left and there's some alternate T-boxes you can play on that one but another you know great great short four. A weird note I had to you see about 13 I kept getting like deja vu of the view from like I think it's the six or the seventh

hole at the front on the front nine of Trilly like the view to the left over into that it's almost like a quaint pastoral it looks almost like a little village over there like from Ireland I'm like God I feel like I've been here before you know it I don't very few people will understand a deep kind of reference like that but that's just uh I think that way like every round like the club has their little farm over there yeah you know they're growing stuff it's yeah it's wild and then i would like to raise my hand and then 14s just just right you know pick it away five and 14 are my two favorites and and uh i don't know if four i think 14's really it's really hard and i don't think we got the hardest wind of members but yeah i guess normally

it would play it's like a teabobobob probably the highest t box on a property like this back corner and you just get this panoramic view of the uh you know the what you're looking out to the water the island is straight ahead behind the green and it has this massive dune big wide fairway but massive dune on the left and uh you know waste area way over on the right and we're playing into the wind so it was it was a beast but it feels like you get a drive out there and if the wind was behind us i'd probably like the hole even more because then you could take on that hill and try to like you know let it get a look at the green rungle down to like 40 yards in so then it it really does bring in that um that dune and and that trouble on the left

but even without it you hit a drive out in the middle of fairway and it's just that's another one with the hole it's literally there's a dune behind the green that was almost shaped to look identical to this spooky looking island behind it like the jaggedness into the dune and i'm like that has like that's has to be intentional and that's awesome like little things like that just get me so fired up and it's a really demanding shot that if you executed into that green is there's a milk carton bunker on the left like you can't go left but i think it's fair you can miswrite there's room and uh it just feels good to make par on that hole into the wind and i just the more i played that hole the more i like appreciated it for both it's like beauty and for

just being like a stout par four yeah we played it i mean you know almost 500 yards dead into the win and it played like a par five where you know it's like you know lock in right but again there's plenty of birdies out there like it's it's nice to have and same thing with 15 like we played 15 from the back tees a couple times that's a good 230 240 back there but you've got you know just i think they've softened that one on the left side a little bit taking out some bunkers but really, really deep green, but one of the more exacting long irons you'll ever hit anywhere.

And again, it's a, it's a pleasure to play off of this turf, right? This where you're just, you're loving hitting wedge, whether it's a wedge or a long iron or even driver off the deck.

Like, it's just so pure and so consistent. But yeah, 15, just like, all right, you got to like go through this gauntlet to really get, get a good round in the house.

And then 16's a little bit a, you know, kind of a let-up there, you know, kind of an offbeat little par four, similar concept to like what you'd see on eight, cool green. I find that green to be like probably the firmest one on the course. It just kind of bakes out that one in 14, just bake

out in the sun all day. But again, like really, you know, really cool depending upon what T-box you play it from. You're worried about different stuff. Again, layers, right? And then 17 is like, everybody calls it the short part three. I don't, man, like, that hole's

really demanding. Like, I don't find it that short. That's a tough little green to hit. It's like a little postage stamp far three that I know they beefed up a little bit. And again, we were playing it into the wind. So, yeah, that green sits way up. It's almost like the volcano. You know, it's perched.

So it, you know, with the wind whipping, you got to, dropping a, dropping a nine iron onto that green is intimidating. And I think 18, 18's, it could. be interesting. I think that personally, I think that's the weakest whole on the course. 18 is. I'm kind of conflicted on 18 too. We're, man, and some of this, like, I was in this little bunker that's like this little scrape behind the green that isn't much wider than my laptop. Yeah. And, you know, after hitting like what I felt like was a really good second shot in there. And it was that's like one little final nut tap from. We were calling it Doke's signature. It was like just him signing his name on the course which I thought was awesome but I the my issue or not issue

but yeah criticism of the whole would be I feel like the T shot there's not really anywhere to land it's a par five so you're going to hit driver and there's not really a place to land your drive I mean it feels like you got to hit it kind of up the left but there's these really I'm always in those bunkers up the skinny bunkers you can't avoid it's kind of it's a blind T shot like you can kind of you can see about 200 yards out and then it kind of goes over this ridge and then there's this big blowout waste area on the right and that's going to block you out so you can't see the green it just doesn't feel like there i don't know what we're asking me to do there are we asking me to hit three wood because it's like oh well that kind of stinks

on the last hole it's a pretty technical golf hole i think and and you know it's cool it's again it's a good hole it's just you know stood up against everything else out there you're kind of like all right, do I, you know, do I love this or not kind of thing? So like, you know, I did like before we transitioned to north and south, like, like I did a little composite routing of like, you know, best first hole between the three courses, best second hole, best third hole. Like I had, I had 11 or 12 holes going to Terry Eady and then I had like five or six on south and one on north.

I probably, when we do that, I probably support that. I would say in talking through this, what's such a pleasure out there in comparison, like, all right, I just played lots of red or most courses. If you play them over and over again, you kind of know, like, I love Sweetens Cove, but I know what I'm going to hit pretty much on every shot. You know, and so, yes, I really, really enjoy hitting the same shots and you can mix up the T's and the PIN, so it's going to be a little bit different. But I felt like every time we looped Terry Eadie, like you said just a minute ago, there's like a new. bunker or a new feature that you're worried about because the wind changed or we're playing a different tee so you're almost like you can't just go on autopilot and be like oh i know what to do here like uh or even like just or the light is well hollow like yeah there's not a lot to think about

off the tea there's a ton to think about on the tea at tera edie it's like the complete opposite end of the spectrum you're just constantly like man i don't know i hit three wood this morning should i hit three wood again the wind kind of changed or like we're we move the tea back i think that's I think that's probably the one thing that, like, I would say about number 18 there where depending upon, if I'm hitting a cut, I'm super worried about going to the right bunker and if I'm hitting a draw, I'm super worried about going to left bunker, regardless of where I'm landing it. Like, that's the exact thing that T shot is.

I mean, and that almost like, yeah, maybe that's a little like, yeah, but it's all, yeah, you know, but then, you know, it's a shorter par five and you can always, maybe I answered my own question, get you back into play and, and, and, you know, have a wedge in your hand you know, an eight iron in your hand to, you know, pretty dialed up green. Weirdly, that hole always reminds me of the 18th hole at Prairie Dunes. Even though they're like radically different holes, they're both just kind of awkward. And awkward in a way that like, that's part of the charm or that's part of the challenge, I think. But yeah, I mean, everything out there is just, it's layers.

It's, you feel like you're playing golf in like five dimensions, right? It's a sensory experience. Last thing I want to mention, I mentioned it on our. when we discuss this briefly a month ago. I just got, I have to shout out the caddies. The caddy program is unbelievable. So I had Alex, Sandy,

Willie, uh, over the course of our five or six days there. But then you and Katie, Brady, Henry, Schar, like everybody was just like,

it seemed like they were happy to come to work. And they were like invested in just like playing, playing capital G golf. And I don't know, man, taking pride in your caddy program like that it was like it's a joy for me to see like straight up competence the older i get the more i just appreciate like people that are taking pride in their work and craftsmanship and like good attitude good and i just like i got a

little you know hang doggy in a couple rounds and these guys are kind of like trying to pick me up and and you know i just felt like it was just good energy for for six days and they try to set you up with the same guy was late season so i had you know a few guys were kind of going on vacation or whatever but all three of my caddies i just had a blast with and and then just generally like the vibe it is a very exclusive place and it's a private club but it did not feel i did not feel like i was on eggshells and and that's worth noting in a uh it's one of the most casual comfortable just come as you are places and like you know don't infringe upon other people's enjoyment or privacy but otherwise and like go have fun go you know go drink some beers go go go play great

golf last thing I'll say we didn't mention this at the beginning but and obviously will not say their name but a very for me a very famous very recognizable face when we first we walked in to have lunch the first day out of the rental car I'm like oh my god is that who I think it is and it was and it was just like oh wow other side of the of the world like I've read it was an author writer that I've read a lot of his stuff for a long, long time. And I, you know, I did not say hi. It didn't seem like you wanted me to say hi, but I was like, I know exactly who that is. And then like, five minutes later, TC was like, yo, is that? And I was like, yes, yes. I was like, I'm not crazy. Okay. Because it would be, it's such a deep cut to recognize this person.

That's, that's what I'll say. But that was, that got me so jacked up. Yeah. Interesting time to be seeing that version. Yeah. It was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. But. Uh, yeah. And then, you know, yeah, like you go, you know, the, I don't know, triving range is cool. It's all cool. Like just props to, you know, the vision that it took to, to create that place. There's a really cool portrait of Rick Kane, the, you know, one of the founders of the place in the clubhouse. I love it. It's just like in this, like, you know, fur kind of blanket almost. I got to think it's like some type of indigenous vibe.

I don't know, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's just, yeah, it's just like a really, I don't know. It strikes to me. No, it's a good thing to bring up because it definitely strikes me. That place is the vision of an individual that they, like, they saw it through and they brought it to life and like, like, that's awesome. You know, it's worth celebrating. Like somebody, like, I want to make a dope golf. Like, club on the other side of the world and i'm going to do it and and and and they pulled it off and that's that's what you got there and then it becomes a bit of a center of gravity because that's what leads to the tier i resort you know yeah put in right it puts this north island east coast to north island like on the map as like we should build a golf courses here this is perfect land for golf and in a country where private clubs don't you know private club golf like truly private stuff doesn't really exist, you know, and figuring out a way to kind of help that co-exist with, you know, kind of kiwi and just, yeah, just kind of how, how everything goes around there.

So it's, you know, it's tough to get this stuff done. So, yeah, then right up the road, you've got these other two, like, unbelievably, like, they're great courses. They're, you know, world, I wouldn't say world top 100. I would say world top 200, probably. I would say the comp for South would be like, that's the core Crenshaw, would be, I like it better than Cabot Cliffs. I think it's a better, more, you know, more cohesive routing than Cabot Cliffs. It's a great walk along the ocean. I don't think it has as many layers as you're talking about at Terry Eadie.

But just even just this whole setup that they've got at the south of they've got, you know, this big driving range, Sork Game facility, this restaurant Rix. They've got one of the biggest putting green, you know, like fun potting greens you've ever seen, you know, all cut out of kind of this, this pine forest, almost kind of like, you know, tree farm kind of pine forest. And then, you know, this high end restaurant overlooking 18 that's, you know, kind of reminds you of what they've got at Cabot as well. Like it's a pretty similar setup to the Cabot, Nova Scotia stuff. But, you know, the golf is, I think at least on South, like the golf is taking up the good real estate, right? Like the golf is on the dunes. The golf is out by the ocean, all of that.

And going through it, like, I think the high points for me are like on South or the, I love the first few holes. Like, you're not near the ocean at all. And you're, you know, a big, big wide par five that reminds me to some of the stuff at Sheep Branch. and then this really cool like dog leg right R4 where you can see the green up the right tree line kind of uphill and you've got the whole world left okay and you're trying to I gotta stop you right there I think no I cannot stop thinking

about number two on the south court I might be one of my favorite holes I just think it sums up everything I love about core and Crenshaw it's so subtle they do such a good job of framing a hole especially in inland hole, back into this amphitheater of trees, go way up this hill on number one, a par five. The scale is crazy. Easy opener.

And then, yeah, it just unveils into this long, cape-ish par four with this striking, like massive bunker down the right and this big ridge that you can play off of down the left. It's just such an inviting golf environment. I can't wait to hit that T-shot. And like, you can get yourself into all kinds of trouble. but it's like I really like the way that they take one or two big features and they make those sink they just accentuated it's a true less is more and I think the second hole at TRI South

is like one of my favorite like new holes that I've seen in a long time I think that that course is much better than than Cabot Cliffs like overall I think there are some some down holes but I just think TRI South is an awesome awesome golf course. I enjoyed both rounds we played out there. I wanted to play it again. I think it's worth a trip to play these two courses. I want to call that out. Like, it's worth going down there for these two courses and for the South

course specifically. I've played it, I think, five times now in the progression that it's made from the first trip two years ago until now, because it had just opened then was remarkable. Like how much all the native stuff had grown in and framed the holes and everything. And it's still not all the way there as far as what it will be fully realized. But it was an awesome step in the right direction. But yeah, like two. He did such a good job with that land of giving you a mix of downhill inviting shots and uphill like two and three are a good example.

Two is very inviting kind of gradually down this big, big long slope and then this green sits into these trees. It's really just one, two, knee like two and then three is like three is like six. intimidating you're going back up that almost that same hill you're rising back up and you're like okay i got a i got to hit into this elevated green and i don't really know wind's whipping like you can feel like the wind is almost blocked back there by this big hill but you can see it up on the green it's like man it's whipping up there so that's just a scary shot on the next hole it's a much shorter part for and i think too there's a lot more depth than meets the eye like first time you get out on that t-box you're kind of like oh shit this is wide this is you know i can

just bang one way up the left but then the way the green is oriented you've got a shitty angle in there like you know you want to hit kind of a cut get it somewhat close to that bunker on the right and then it's a you know you may have six seven eight iron in

green kind of falls away from you and it's really really tough to get your distance right like it's a very exacting shot those greens are a lot firmer than they were the first time you know just like there's a lot more than than meets the eye on that That whole.

What I would say is about two. The strategy, it's very simple, but very effective strategy of like, yeah, there's no secret here. Like challenge the bunker up the right side, get a flatter lie and have a much better angle into this green. Cleaner look. Yeah. Or don't. And I just love sometimes that core and crunch, they don't complicate it. It's like, yo, he don't have to like, we don't have to jazz this up.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a beautiful golf hole. It's a simple, it's simple strategy. Can I execute the shot? If you don't, it's like, yeah, if you miss left, that's fine. If you miss right, it's like, yeah, you're an idiot. Like, that's bad. And sometimes I like just simplifying.

It's just good, man. It's simple and direct. Yes. Yeah, but also gorgeous as well. Like, I think it's one of those courses, and I mean this in a great way to where like, there's not as much going on and see you can just take your head up a little bit and just enjoy the walk and relax. And then you can, and then you can lock in. and take on the trouble and really try to grind or try to strategize that's out there too

four is kind of this mad max fury road shit down the hill of just pretty provocative t-shot of like again super wide and just humbles down this big hill and you know you're hitting the long iron into you know it's a 200 yard shot into this massive kind of catchers mint green and you know And I like a mid-round, like the, you get this in Pacific Dunes, like the, the unveil of the ocean, like early in the front nine, because you're like, oh, man, when, you know, you've been playing in the woods. And then all of a sudden, it's just you walk up this hill on three and then you get to 14 and you round the corner and four fairway. You're like, whoa, you know, you see the clouds rolling in. It's like, is rain coming? It's like you kind of strap your seatbelt on and get ready for, I guess the next four, four.

five, six, seven, eight, basically all the way to 10, you're on the ocean, the rest of the front nine. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's not the most intimate hole, but I think that's kind of the point, right? It's just, it's almost like sensory overload. And then you walk a little bit backwards, which, you know, kind of from a walk perspective, like having to walk backwards to the next T, but this brilliant little par three that goes out towards the ocean with this infinity green kind of postage stamp hold it's like more than meets

the eye it's we had a wind dead in and it was like man this is a demanding shot on a was 120 and we hit i think i hit seven iron you know just like straight into it uh and what a god what a good feeling when you hit the green on a shot like you're like man i took all the variables into account and i dropped this ball 15 feet from the hole i i am The master of the universe, you know. And there's a shelf, you know, it falls off on the right side. There's a little tiny bunker in front, but you're basically looking at, you know, this pin and then those same islands out, out in the distance, you know, and it's just gorgeous.

It's, you know, simple, not easy. And then you go along the ocean for six is a par four. This holds a tricky driving hole. You're kind of driving it over this dune up the left. and then you know kind of having to you know it kind of opens up after that long skinny green there's a bunker short right but really you just got to get your distance right on that shot and then seven's a par five i have not gotten the hang of this one i think it's a fantastic golf hole just it is panorama the ocean straight down the coastline what you see is what you get with you know but you just got it off the tee you got to pick a target and stick to it with the wind And you can, it's a hole you can score on if you, you know, but you can get yourself into a ton of trouble there too. The par five's out there really cool.

It's a, it's a brilliant thought provoking, like they're all kind of pretty in front of you, at least the two on the front are, but you still got to hit the shots and, and, you know, play, play pretty thoughtfully. And then eight, eight's got one of my favorite bunkers anywhere. It's like a little part. Yeah, it's just like a little part three, you know, mid length, probably a hundred 140 to 170 yards, but there's this little pop bunker in front that the lip is on the side away from the green. So it's on the left side of the green. It's kind of the single defining

feature there. And then you've got this green that kind of wraps around it. And the lip is on the left side of the bunker and the green is on the right side. So you can put out of the bunker on the right side. But basically the, you know, the wind is blowing off the ocean there. And it's blowing all the sand up towards the lip on the left side away from the green it's just one of those spots where like you get some really weird lies it's not a place you want to be no it's not but yeah it's just a really really cool little you know singular feature that defines an entire whole again like let like let that feature breathe and yeah it just they i don't know they do such a good job with subtle stuff that the uh the c and c boys do and then nine is i didn't really like

the first time I played it, it's like a 330, 340 yard par four, up the hill. More I've played it the one I'm like, man, this whole, this whole is really cool. It's just really hard. And it's like, it's not hard by virtue of, you kind of hit whatever you want off the T. You got to keep it short of this bunker up the right that's, you know, probably 75, 100 yards short of the green. But you can kind of lay back too far and have too difficult of a shot in. It's kind of a tough green to hold. and you think you're going to be able to take it off the back of there

and you don't want to go long on the screen. I did that a couple of times. And I don't know, it's just one of those holes that's, the more it grows in and gets framed, the more I like it. I think one where you probably have a wedge in hand, but it's an uphill shot and you have to be pretty dialed on your,

you know, distance control. One of the more demanding wedge shots on the course. Yeah. And then I really like, like you, you got kind of a walk up and then around and 10 is, Framed by all these forest holes, 10 sweet.

And I love it. You got a really poke a drive up the right, like uncomfortably right. And there's this kind of walkway, almost like a little ledge up the right. And then just this big, long green with, you know, really, really subtle features in it. And like you got to, it's a tough one to get your distance right on. And I don't know. It's very similar to two in how. it looks and they just do such a good job of like setting greens into like attractive places

where they look inviting but it's like oh man that that green slopes front to back it's massive and you kind of are thinking i'm going to go on offense here but you can like you fly it all way the hole you get a big bounce off the back it's it's not as uh it's not as easy as it looks it's a subtle challenge on 10 and again everything they do such a good job with these inland holes where you're like god this is just awesome there's no ocean involved it's like it's like a nothing piece of the land just right next to the driving range I know you built this freaking awesome like 400 yard plus far four and then you take a right and you go out straight straight out to the ocean again and 11's a beast 11 and you just got

to hit it's pretty wide fairway but you just got to hit a good drive there you know 400 yards plus we had it dead into the wind and then I would say one of the two or three most demanding shots, not just on that course, but on the entire property the second shot in there. Yeah, the green is. It's not, it doesn't look elevated, but it, it's, it is. And it's into the wind

and you got a bad, gnarly bunker on the left, and it's going to run away from you on the right. So you got to step up and hit the shot there. Yeah. And then yeah, there's, there's just, like, you don't want to miss left in that bunker. And then you start, you can play ping pong there quite a bit. And then

12's one that's still, I think, growing in like just this it's a long part three massive massive green you're kind of trying to hit it to you know depending upon where the pin is you're trying to really hit a specific spot and then have it run out like 25 30 40 yards it's got for dan whiffs you know or like it's not one but you can reverse for dan front yeah left hill and it will and it takes almost like a full second for the ball to then appear 40 yards later it's like a pinball shoot And you're like, I don't know, did I hit the hill? And a couple of them, like, really rolled out like 40 yards.

It was a one of the more severe. It's too. Yeah. And then, uh, worst, I think. Yeah. And then the next hole is one of the smallest screens on the course. I love this part five. I do too.

And I could understand. I was, I was curious to hear what you'd say about this because I can understand if people hated it. It is a little, it's tricky. But it's this shorter par five. five up the hill oh it's 560 from the backs but if you're playing like the the one-ups or just the regular like the normal people teas it's like 480 you're not looking at a long par four here you're going to have like a five wood or a hybrid in if you've hit a good drive it's up the hill

pretty generous off the tea like you know you got to hit a good drive but pretty generous off the tea and that second shot is just like the green looks like it's just dripping off the side of the ridge or off the side of this dune and that that bunker in front is so deep i think they've had some issues with that hillside kind of running away or that that you know bunker kind of washing out a bunch but not only do you have to hit the shot you got to hit like the right height shot you got to get at the apex because if you're just trying to blast one 235 you know 225, 215, 215, 214 up this hill with a three wood or even a, you know, a three iron. And you don't get it up high enough.

You're just hitting it into the, right into the bunker or right just short and it's not going to jump up there. Can I give you a very stupid visual analogy for people listening? This green reminds me of like a skinny, like, recliner, like that you'd sit in where it, like, two tiers. I got this like stupid redneck, like, lawn chair. you know it's like yeah it's like a really like almost a wall of grass so i'll try to do it into the camera like a wall of grass and then it like it like you know rounds out and then that's where

your butt would go and then it rounds out again and then and then it goes so it's like yeah like rollers down the front it's just i don't know it's really intimidating trying to hit like a five iron or a four iron into that green but another one where you're like you don't have to it's par five you could you could just not do that yeah you could like hit a wedge in and then you know it's just fun and like even if you like let's say you don't get it there and you're 10 yards short 20 yards short it's a thrilling third shot yeah it is trying to get one you can use this massive slope that you know kind of cuts the green and half it's it's wild but bunkers in in front right and and back left and depending on where the pin is it's just yeah

it's kind of chaos it's really cool that was definitely one of my you know i don't know it's just the thrilling hole. That was one of the ones that I had South as, you know, like that's in my composite routing. And then 14 for me as well.

I had this one in my composite routing as well. I thought 14 is like it's drivable par four. I think the first time it was just neat. It was just a couple of mounds, but they've put a couple of bunkers in. Driveable par four, you know, anywhere from like 275, just 310,

320. You know, cool green. you've got, you know, bunkers up the left and you can kind of bail out up the right. You can always hit a, you know, easy layup and then an easy wedge in, but just a fun shot. It takes you out to the far, like almost peninsula of the course. You feel like you're way out. You feel like you're on the edge of the earth. The green almost sits like drop off on the back and the left, but honestly it feels like on the right too. Yeah.

It's really fun. It's pretty exposed and you're like you're looking out. towards the headland and then it's kind of the closest piece of land towards Terry Eadie. Yeah, it's just a really, I don't know, pretty engaging. It's got at a cool point in the round. And then I really like, I mean, 15 and 16 didn't do a lot for me. Like it was this portion of the course that really like grew on me the most as it's grown in and, you know, gotten framed.

I think 15 is, you know, trickier driving hole kind of double, you know, layered fairway. And then you just got to hit a really good second shot in there. It's, you know, kind of an elevated green and, you know, big green. But you got to hit kind of a thoughtful second shot. You got plenty to help you out up there long right. I agree with you here. 15 and 16 were they're good, not great. I think this is where they could have done a better job routing the course.

I'm not a pro architect, but it feels like you go straight out and then you come basically straight back 15 16 17 17 18 are all kind of on a line they're you know adjusted a little bit directionally but if they could have mixed up like bringing 13 you know almost playing out to the water and then figurating back you probably could have mixed it up a little bit because 15 and 16 feel a little redundant would be my they don't look the same but they're kind of both shorter par fours that you know back to back I was like okay um that 13 was a crescendo And then, and then 17 is awesome. It's also funny to like play four holes in a row right on the ocean and be like,

oh, yeah, the route sounds. I know. Yeah, that sounds stupid. But do you know what I'm trying to say? Maybe because of the wind direction, it's like you're. I think 16, there's a lot more there than meets the eye. Like it's not drivable. It's, it's just really awkward.

And the more I play it, the more I dig it, and try to squeeze one. down the right, get a flat lie, and then you're hitting a wedge that you got to worry about spinning off the front of that green. There's a lot of little mounds, you know, humps and bumps up there. Or you go up the left, you got a clean look, but, you know, probably a hanging lie. And but it's just one of those holes that's like, you know, unless you're really, really, really long and the wind is cooperating, it's a two shot hole. But, you know, 340, you're kind I'm going to dismiss it on the card when really there's a lot of nuance there. That's fair.

Maybe I'm being on, you know, my take is a bad one because I agree 16 has a lot going on with the green. 17's sick. I mean, 17 is like, it's almost like identical to the sheep ranch 17th. And like the way that that green or 16th is sheep ranch, sorry. 11, the way that 11 green butts up against kind of the backside or that right side of it. and all that, you know, you got 12T there, and then you've got 17 green and 18 green.

Like, it kind of feels like that one green at Sheep Ranch and that whole area where you're walking around. And it's just, it's just a magical little spot. You've got bunkers all around it. It's almost like this little racetrack bank on, you know, the front right to middle left, and then it banks back around. And, you know, the wind's always going to be crossing.

probably in one of the two directions and yeah it's just it's a really finicky little wedge or or you know it I think it maxes out at like 119 yards this is an awesome hole yeah and it's fun when you can hit over a dune to like back right it's like a safe safe harbor back there but if you're hitting into the wind you're just praying that it carries this like nasty dune on the right it's I love that concept and it's it feels like they took that from cheap branch and brought it here it's like sign me up for more of those holes and then 18 is a great par five I really enjoyed it it's like I think I would call this one like resort golf at its finest it's wide you can kind of do whatever you want off the tee there's some bunkers up the right

to kind of catch catch some stray shots but for the most part like you're going to have a look and you've got the whole world to your right on the second shot whether you want to you know lay up to like 140 yards or you can you can hit driver again all the way down the right and then you're almost trying like instead of trying to go for it or you're trying to set up an angle for your third shot because i think if you go for it there's there's there's just this there's this little black hole i wouldn't even call it it's not nothing little about it it's it's not a bunker it's a it's a chasm and it has the same thing we were talking about with terry edie where you can play the fairway goes like past the green so the green sits like left of the fairway so you can

play it way way up and then almost play backwards to the hole if you want to uh yeah like it's it's tough to emphasize enough like how much real estate you have to the right so think about that and then think we're we're finishing the dark in our first round and i just didn't i for some reason i couldn't really tell that it was like a chasm i thought it was like oh it's just the fairway dips down it's like a two leveled fairway i just hit like this the perfect driving iron, like dead straight into this, it's probably 50 feet down into this, what is a bunker. And the bunker goes from like 100 yards to probably like 20 yards short of the green.

So it's just this awkward distance. You got to carry it over like a 30 foot lip. Total brain dead stuff for me. And I was like, oh, God, you know, one of those like, oh, I thought there was like fairway here. It's like, no, man, obviously not. There's like 75 yards of fairway over here on the right. Like, what are you thinking? But I think what you said about, like, resort golf at its finest, it's a, it's a really, like, friendly, fun finisher.

Yeah. That you just walk, you can walk right, right across the fairway into the restaurant and bar. And, like, what a day as the, like, for us, like, as the rain is rolling in. Yeah. But then there's also, like, if the pins back right or back, like, you don't want to go way down the right. You want to, like, lay up shorts. So you have a dead on thing, but before that chasm or whatever. So yeah, and just, you know, striking restaurant there.

And then there's a, there's a members bar. Like, so there's, you know, a membership element to TRI where the members get to play. You know, it's like a member day, one day on one of the courses. And the next day, it's a resort day. And they flip-flop. But so, you know, the bunker bar is kind of a little bond layer for the, for the members there. But we ate at the, at the, you know, kind of the. the fine dining restaurant there, you know,

just spectacular space looking out towards the ocean and those islands and everything. So, you know, yeah, like just what a great walk. And then now for the main event, you know, North. Your eye, north. I want to start by saying, I have some takes on on the North course. And I think it's because it's a good,

one, it's a good golf course. It's worth seeing it is striking. Provocative. Provocative. I think that was the brief for him, right? It was like, hey, we have we have this one course that you designed

that obviously we don't want you to have to try to compete with that. We've got this great walk along the water that Corrin Crenshaw did. We've got this inland stuff that, you know, kind of similar to like how Cora Crenshaw got the trails course at Bandon

dunes you know we're like hey we've got these inland stuff it's not on the water but you know there's there's a couple holes that are close to the water but for the most part you're gonna have to do something really different here i think the south course got better land or better coastline there's still very good land i don't know how do you want to do this you want to go through i we went through hole by hole in the other ones i could we could do that quickly yeah we might as well yeah i think you know it plays like a different club house i think one of the first things to say is like I think the real estate encroaches a little bit too much on the north and that's no fault of dokes you know there's a there's some new there's cottages all down the left side of 18 that

are you know tastefully done I think there's a there's a house up the right side it's kind of up the right side of 16 and the left side of of tier I south 14 that's just too close to the fairway and it's just and like that's a really good golf and it's just like imposing and it's just not and I'm sure it'll like I'm sure it'll be a nice house and it's covered up by this big thing right it was big kind of canvas to keep the you know keep the wind out but but yeah it just seems like there's just a few spots where you know you're just encroached upon a little bit I thought the it's a really cool routing it's pretty artfully done I think there's I think it's one of those courses where, like, if you're going to be a member there, you're going to play there for

five or six days in a row, and you can get out there on a couple of afternoons and, you know, play some different loops and stuff, too. Like, there are all sorts of fun shots. The greens are turned up to a million in the best way. I thought that, you know, for the most part, like, it's really fun. And it would, I think it's a grower, right? And I think as similar to South, but even probably more so with North, as it grows in and the native, you know, and some of those, it's pretty, there's a lot of dunescapes and there's a lot of, you know, there's some manufactured stuff out there as that grows in and softens it. I think it's going to be more lovable, more intimate. It needs to grow in. I mean, it feels like a lot of land was cleared,

like wide of the fairway. And in a way, and maybe I'm being unfair because the South course has had more time to grow in. But it, it feels like Corrin Crenshaw to me work on a smaller footprint and don't clear like a ton of land. And maybe that's for development. Maybe they want to put houses there but again to me that's a bit of a negative like those if that if they're going to be that close to these fairways i'm like it just doesn't feel like it sits in the land as nicely for me so first hole is a classic as i call it the dapp like the the the awkward handshake opener from from doke of like oh you can really mess it up but it's pretty easy spectacular clubhouse setting like cool porch there and this outdoor fireplace and you know it's

kind of off a part on its own from the main tier I've setting. So you know, really, really cool there. But yeah, like you said, I think, I didn't really know what to think in the first hole. At first, and really even the second plan of it, but I like it.

I dig it. It's really off feed opener, you know? And then two's a par three. Would remind you of the 10th at Terry Eadie reminded me of that, a long, hard. I feel like all the par three's out there have a similar feel that was my biggest criticism yeah like 180 to 200 yard yeah it's like i it's almost

like yo i know what you're saying like hit it front right that's the play you could run it up but they don't really play that way and you're kind of always playing a little up this whole course i felt like i was playing it to i never got a full look at the green on any hole you know i like where i'm like okay i this is an inviting shot to this green it always feels like worried as you do a little bit. Yeah, but that that one is like you're hitting like five iron in and or more and it's just like it's not I almost feel like if you talk to do you like well the play is to to get something running up the right so it'll roll on and like dude that's just like a really

freaking hard shot to like manufacture up the left to roll onto the right to the green to the right I think I mean it plays up to like 242 anyway there's like the long yeah the template here for the par three is like there is a some type of pop bunker or like you the the green is pushed up in front and it doesn't quite play to where you can hit it short and it rolls on and then if you carry it all the way there you're going to go over is how I kind of feel I'm like dang I'm kind of screwed either way so I again good looking golf whole tough par three no problem with that I think number three was an awesome golf I would say on one two like one kind of reminds me of it's a 300 yard par four

but the more I play that hole but like I'm never going to go for that green yeah you should lay back and it kind of reminds me of like my favorite holes at like Barora or you know like a James braid course like Boe of Garden where like it's a I think that's a pretty

I don't know I think I kind of we were you know just trying to get off and like I think I kind of gave that whole short strift but yeah I see what you're saying with too like there's not really there's a bunker you know some bunkers up the right side but really for the most part

you can kind of bail out up the left but yeah there's just these little knobs and these little mounds where it's like a lot there's almost like a lot of manufactured shaping that like you just if we did a little less this would probably play like what you wanted to play like and where that stuff was there

and they just you know well as I'll get to some stuff tells me that it wasn't there so this this this gets us to I thought to stretch from three through three through seven was probably my favorite stretch on the course. I will say three

through five because I want to talk about six. I thought three was electric. I think three and four are excellent 10 of tens. Like you could talk me into those in the in the composite. I thought they're both. Three had this awesome green where it's really long and like big mounding and

the whole place very differently depending on where the pin is with a really tough bunker in front. And, you know, again, if the wind's behind you, you can almost, you drive in that front bunker or you're going to have a, you know, a long second shot into a two-tiered green. I thought four was the strongest. Wildly, wildly two-tiered green.

Like to the point where like, you got to get your either landed short and run it on up or get your distance control right. It was a really, you know, it's a sub 400-yard, R4 with a really big emphasis on distance control and like hitting the right, you know hitting the right shot or being creative in there either executing or being being creative in the right spot yeah and then yeah i thought four was awesome and and a good example of what i'm

talking about with a pro getting a full look at the green on the approach so you have to hit a good drive avoid some bunkers off the tea and it kind of shoots you out of these trees and then this kind of stretch of the property five six and seven are all back here and the green if you hit a good drive, you're sitting, you're finally hitting down to a green. So it's like, okay. And it's a, it's a like two tiered green, but horizontally. So the right side is elevated. The left side, it'll run away from you. And, you know, I had, I probably had a gap wedge or, you know, up to nine iron in hand. And so it's a fun shot to hit where it's a very, uh, drastic green. And it's, it's nice that you get to hit down to that. Not even it's like down five yards. It's not like a big drop. But it's like I, it's all in front of me here. and I feel like that was one of the few places on the course where I felt that way, where I'm hitting an approach. I got rewarded with a full look at what I have to avoid and where I have to hit it. So I thought four was one of my favorite halls.

One of the best greens on the course, kind of everything feeds right to left. And it's a long haul. I mean, it's like 450 from the back resort T's 480 from the championship T's. Like you got to, it's one of the more demanding drives on the whole property. I think it's going to just kick this shit out of resort gas.

but also like, you know, this course from the back resort T's, it's 6,400 yards from the middle T's it's 5,900 yards. Yeah. Distance is not necessarily the thing here, and there's a lot of places to score, but this is one where like, you know, I think even if you hit it up the left side in that bunker, you still have a shot at the green, you know, it's not overly penal. And then five plays up kind of up the hill, it's a pretty, pretty wide T shot. and then it's really tricky blind kind of blind green elevated green and there's tons of

is there tons of room right or left i can't remember it's almost a tons of room on both sides like you you kind of almost want to use that left side to bank it in off of yeah um it's a you know there's there's a there's a couple bunkers i don't know 40 50 yards short of the green that kind of sit there and mess with your eye but really for the most part you know again there's like a 415 to 440 or hole but you know it's like it sits on the land pretty nicely you're kind of up you know up to the kind of the farthest end of the property there and then you're you know you're kind of after this you're kind of working your way back so there's some nice nice pines in the back and stuff I don't know

I thought this was one of the more engaging second shots in the course I thought this is a great hole because you got to look at the pen and everything like it's not it's not blind blind you just can't see the bottom of the flagstick some pretty pretty pretty pretty big humps up there though so it's hard to know where to put it to get it close yeah and again when it's a blind shot sometimes i'm like can we we maybe we don't put elephants under the green but six let me talk about six six first time you play it is like oh my god this is an awesome golf and it is in a way and it could be but they i feel like this is where it's a little manufactured so it's a down you're elevated t shot you're hitting down uh and and then it's has these

two big dunes that the green is kind of benched left in between these two dunes. So if you clear the front dune, most of the time, half, at least half of the green, you're not going to be able to see the pin unless you play up the right side and maybe you'll get a peek at it. But you can, you know, there's a lot of creativity on how you bring your approach shot in there. Now, what I don't like about it is there's these three almost like skate park rollers in the middle of the fairway that like, if you're going to tell me those were.

there, I'm going to call bullshit. And it's just unnecessary because maybe one of those rollers or two, but all three, it's like, okay, let's play the argument out. Hey, if you don't want to deal with these rollers, which gives you this weird, these weird lies and stuff, then lay back. Well, the rollers start, like if I hit four iron, I'm going to have to deal with them. And if I hit driver, I'm going to have to deal with them. So then it'd be like, okay, well, the rollers are kind of on the left side of the hole. So hit it up the right. Well, I have to basically land driver in like a 10 by 10 box, you know,

or else I'm going to be in the native area up the right to get the angle. And so I'm just like, there's already a blind approach with these two big dunes. That's where I'm like, it's too many features. That's my biggest critique of this course. It just like people talk about. So you're saying you would appreciate the second shot a lot more if the first shot felt less tricked up and you felt like you knew what the task and handle us or if you move those rollers farther left and you said like left half of the fairway you deal with this and if you want

the flat lie and you want to challenge and get the angle you know every talks about angles and modern golf golf architecture there's just no angle there it's like I I we were playing you know the fourth member of our group is this guy Brandon I I we spent 15 minutes on this whole discussing this and and he was like yeah I kind of see what you're saying it's just like it's already a blind approach. There's already these striking dunes. It's just too much. And it's like,

it's like almost the features are there for like eye candy. I'm like they play. I guess there's no way to avoid them is the problem I have with the strategy of the hole. And so I think the whole is so close to being like one of the best on the course. But then this is where we talked about with Terry Edy, the more I play it, the more I appreciate it. The second time around I got like,

I got like furious. I was like, This is Dokes minimalist This is bullshit This is bullshit He's not You know

And then the next hole Part 3 There's You know It's like a 180 shot I mean there's Legit Like hippopotamus

And elephants I think six I think part of your issue And then like You know The green's pretty turned up too There's like That's what I'm saying

It's not like it's an easy Yeah So I think I think there's plenty Strategy there I think your argument It's like You know

You is like a two handicap, like you're not even good enough to take advantage of the strategy to where it just starts to feel random, right? Like, I can't drop driver into like a sandbox over here. Like, that's, I feel like that's the argument I would get from somebody. So it's not the fair police. It's just, it's, it's, it's almost denuding this. You're saying it's denuding the strategy of the whole. Yes. It's not about fairness. I can hit from the rollers, but I'm saying like, I am actively on the T trying to figure out, like, I will hit four iron if you tell me that I can avoid the rollers.

I can't do it with four iron. And then I'm hitting four iron into this green. I'm saying, give me an option. I'm arguing the hole is unstrategic because it's too turned up. That's my argument. It just feels like you're dropping it into like this big, you know, this big salad bowl almost up there. Yeah, it was just like it.

Honestly, the course, because there's some other spots we can talk about. And this is me projecting, but it felt comparing it to what, doke did at Tara Edie 15, 16 years ago to this, it, it feels like one thing I thought about is like, it feels like he's bored. It's like, yeah, let's throw this in there. Like a lot of it's like, man, that doesn't feel like it, it has strategic value. It has visual value. It's different. It's striking. I'm not arguing that. It's beautiful. But it's like, it's kind of like, I don't know if this has a golf purpose or it's not giving me as a golfer. It's like, I don't think it's unfair. I just think it's like stupid is, I guess, my argument. And, and, and I've,

I've, I've thought about it. I've thought about this whole and number 10, or sorry, number 11, the part five. He's got you thinking, you know, yeah, but like, I'll get to, but I, I wonder to if now he's like, you know, it feels like don't kind of do whatever he wants, which is great for him. And I like a lot of his golf course. I just got done talking for an hour about one that I, you all wound up. I love it. But I think, I wonder if it reminds me of these directors now, like Tarantino and Scorsese. Like, they don't have edit. They have final cut of their movies.

And it's like, no, I can't cut anything out of once upon a time in Hollywood. I can't cut anything out of, you know, Killers of the Flower Moon. I'm like, hey, Martin, I got 45 minutes of indigenous dancing and and stuff from Killers of the Flower Moon. I got, I got 45 minutes I could cut out here for you. Like, you know, and I think about Corrin Crenshaw. feel like those guys maybe edit each other a little bit and I wonder if doke is just allowed to do whatever sometimes I feel like they edit too much and sometimes they edit a little bit too much out and it gets a little bit I that's that I I'm here for that argument but I just

feel like just turning it up on this course to like and I feel a little bit like that piner's number 10 where it's like there's just like we can't call you minimalist anymore there's nothing minimal about this course the amount of land cleared to put these holes in the the way these greens are turned up these humps and rollers and stuff it's like nothing to me is screaming this was natural i don't know if it all was like maybe i think a lot of the stuff was there i i would love it if if i mean i'm so so not an expert on this stuff i'm just all i can be as an expert in what i truly was feeling and I swear to God, I was just locked in talking about this with Brandon. I cannot believe that those rollers are natural.

And to me, they have no, there's no way around them. So to me, that makes them like strategically, like not necessary. I don't know. It just, I hope I'm explaining that. When you say rollers, I think it's like two craters almost in the middle of the fairway. And that's fine. If there were two craters in the middle of fairway as like a centerline.

feature that's great but there's no way to miss them on the on the outer edges like the idea to me is like god i got to have like force me to take on the native area up the right to get the angle and avoid the craters and i'm here for it but that's like a we we were staying i remember standing there i was like this is like a 10 yard by five yard landing area or i'm in the sand over here so all right i'm all riled up sorry no i think it's yeah and listen i think part of the part of the thing is like it's a really good counterpoint to the south right this whole thing is like yeah it is so maybe that's some of it i don't know i think you can spend a lot of rounds trying to figure this golf course out and start beating your head against the wall but then you get a

different wind oh you know what that whole makes sense now but i think your point on seven sevens are three 180ish yards kind of going you know again same thing bunker a couple bunkers short you know you got to kind of hit the shot on this one there's not a lot of of space to like feed it in from and I just felt like on this course that was like it didn't really affect me that much but I would think like man if I was a lady laying out there and I don't hit the ball very high and I'm you know I'm hitting this from granted it's only from 110 120 yards for the ladies teeth on this one but more uphill from there to you know a tough green like I just feel like I'm getting kicked to the teeth over and over again on nowhere to miss their pushed up

front it it feels like all these mounds are are rejecting the ball and like the it was a pretty small green and there is two there are three tiers to that green and i i'm with a massive like mariana like mountain range like underwater mountain range going through the middle of it and so if you're on the wrong side of one of these humps and bumps like you could put it over this big ridge line and it could then you could de green yourself it just felt like i'm cool with If we make that green like 25% bigger, I'm cool with the features, but we're hitting a 180, like I'm hitting a six iron in. It's not like I'm hitting a gap wedge. So I just, again, I just think it was too turned up in a small environment for that kind of par three.

But now, visually striking, unique. Like, if I'm, and this is coming from somebody, I play a lot of these, you know, types of courses. I'm like, man, if I was new to this, I'd be like, this is unbelievable. But the more I played, I was like, man, this is just kind of like too much. Like take and all I'm saying is like, edit the work a little bit. Take one of these humps out, soften an area where you could put, you could hardly put up these ridges, these like front edges of these greens. I'm like, this is just really turned up. And I think it's too much.

That's my, that's my take. I think one of my criticisms is, I'd be fine if there was a little bit more. variety of like i didn't feel like we got a short part three i didn't feel like we got i think they all went like one of they all kind of go north or uh or west like they're all kind of the same direction too so if you get that wind like we got this wind and like they're they're all like either in or in off the left you know that was one of the few greens all five where that was one of the few greens where you could see the whole green in front of you but it's like it doesn't really because like I'm trying to these quadrants in between these humps and and ridges were like you know they're just small like I'm not really confident I can hit that with the wind howling with a six iron you know and it's like again see this is a resort course like what feels a little bit like I think they're going to do with I would imagine they're going to do a third course at some point too so I would almost wait to judge it on its merits or how it you know interacts.

with the other ones. I don't, and I don't like me to be like needlessly critical. Like this is, I've tried to think I have, I wrote down like a thousand words. And I, like, I wrote it. I'm like, I need to get this out of myself. Like, what is my, am I being unfair here? And when you say variety too, I just felt like most of these greens you're hitting into like, well, I don't want to skip ahead.

Let's, let's, let's move those holes there. Like, I felt like from. two through seven I felt like my five, six and seven iron were getting a freaking workout.

Yeah. Right. And then that kind of continued at certain stretches on the back, which we'll get to as well. You know, it's a really,

it's a funky routing and that like eight takes you kind of back across the road, back to the, you know, towards the clock house. You walk up this big hill, which I didn't love,

I wish we could have, that was a long walk up that hill, but it kind of takes you do another section of the property and eight is a as a big boy hole because because then you come up to the top of that hill and the wind just hits you in the face so you got to scale this big big red line and it's kind of a you know feels like it kind of bleeds to the left you get some of the ocean there in the background and uh you know you got to hit a good drive here like 375 390 yard r4 but yeah all about what the wind is doing pretty big kind of job

generous green you know kind of squared off i don't know this one didn't really stir much within me it felt more of like a connector hole i felt the same way yeah um but again like some of that too will be like you know as some of that stuff up the right grows in nine was cool it's thought a little bit you know like you're hitting this dry it's a par five you know 550 from the backs probably 500 where most people are planning from and you're basically trying to kind of earn you can hit it up to the top of the hill but if you get it all the way to top of the hill and down you know you get it kind of over the road it bounces over the road I'm always a sucker for a road running through a golf course um you know you're not going to like

fly it onto the road but you're going to you're going to dribble it through and then it's going to you know if it's got anything on and it's going to run all the way down to the bottom of this hill and you're going to have like 130 yards in which is a fun t shot though because you just get to absolutely send it like even the cat is like man you really can't miss this fairway like you it's like a hundred yards wide into like into the the clouds over this ridge and you know if you leave it up top on the ridge if it's windy then you have this like big 225 yard plus shot like with a full view of you know that's a that's just very striking hole but then if you blow it over then you kind of are down

in the low area and you can't see the green so you're you're hitting which is fair on a par five i have no problem with that like you're trying to hit this green it's a thrilling second shot to a great green a lot going on in this green we had a front pin one day that was awesome uh trying to you know keep it short there but yeah it's a fun fun third shot too like gnarly grass bunker along the whole back of the green and the green runs like runs away from you so front to back and that was that's a good hole i'm very very cool very creative hole i thought that was a fair hole i'm no no i'm not trying to pile on here so you are being the fair police no no fair is in like well i mean i don't think i'm being the fair police i i don't mind

well let me think about that i don't what do you mean by the fair police just like oh like i have you know i want to be able to see the green i want to i don't want to see the green every hole i just don't I want more variety on that. I think it feels like I'm not coming out, you too. I'm just trying to play double. He likes to hide the other nine's another or tens an example of that. You're playing up this hill and you, you know, you can't see. You just get kind of, you never really feel like you get a chance to pin your ears back.

And there's got to be like three or four holes where you can do that. Like the places where you are playing downhill to a green, it's like the green is turned up to 25. I mean, I think that's kind of the intent of this course to kind of keep you off balance and stuff. I don't really think it's not that lovable. You know, it's more like, you know, hey, we're going to make you like do stuff you're not used to doing and hit in like really stress parts of your bag that you're maybe not used to having stress that much in the modern game. Like you're, you know, your middle of long irons. And I do think like 10, you can hit a, it's pretty open off the tea. you can hit one hard there

and then I thought that was one of the more interesting greens up there like there's this little you know like it kind of collects but then if you go a little bit too far up the right and try to use that slope up the right but miss your spot there's this little kind of trough that's going to catch your ball and you're going to have a really really awkward time I don't know I just thought like you know uphill you know uphill long par four 400 you know 400 you know 400

plus up to 450 and, you know, there's trouble all up the left. But I feel like if you just kind of do the right stuff up the right, there's good stuff. But then also like there's a bunker long left that feels a little mean spirit. Don't know it's there. Again, resort course, most people are going to play it once or twice. Just like, okay, I didn't see that like no idea. Yeah.

Anyways, not, 10's like a little bit of a connector. I want to shout out the halfway house on the north course is sweet. Great. or it's not really a halfway house it's like a you know 60% of the way of house and then you loop back again after yeah that was a cool cool hangout spot so uh all right tc i'm just going to read you this is what i wrote i think the maybe on the flight home about number 11 which i think most people would say like what an awesome striking unbelievable golf hole par five i like 11 yeah straight away it reminds me uh there's a hole i think it's 11 or 12 that pine her

is number 10 similar very very everything it's kind of out in front of you um and i think there's some good and some bad here and i'm going to just i'm just going to read this so uh beautiful golf but too much going on three big sets of features i love the first set of bunkers and the deception off the tea that makes the left bunker look like it's in play off the tea so basically the fairway's like two tiered and there's a big blowout bunker that cuts in on the right and the big one on the left and they they look like they're both even and but there's all this room the fairway drops down on the left side and the ball disappears and you think that's going to be in a bad spot but it's actually a flat lie of really good place to be so you want to you want to be

up the left and i think to doke's credit he does such a good job similar to pete die in visual deception of making you think something is closer or farther than it actually is like the right and the left they're almost look indistinguishable and then your caddy like And shout out to Ewan again. Ewan loves Caddian over to your eye because he can double bag it and everything. Like, you know, he's like, oh, like that bunker up the left is like, it's like three, three 20 to three 40 to get in that versus the one up the right is like 265. And I just can't emphasize enough how your eyes are like, that's not true.

Like they are equal. I'm, I have to hit it, you know, between them. And it's, it's not. You want to be up the left. So you get there. And I'm, uh, let me find my, my, my. point here but but then there's this crazy almost mean-spirited vert ramp about a hundred to 120 yards out from the green well no actually first that's not true there's the first set of

cut-in bunkers and then there's another that are about that are probably about 140 you know probably 140 to 170 yards up so your options here are like you're trying to lay up like over that second set of like cross bunkers but then than about 50 yards maybe or maybe less after that, there is literally a wall of grass. The fairway just like goes straight up. It looks like a tight way that's about to break back on short grass. It's fairway. But it's just like, okay, it's just like a wall, which is fine as a feature on its own.

But it's like, all right, I am going to try to hit the hard shot now, which is like I want to try to carry a three wood or a seven wood up on top of this. Yeah. Like in my head, the course, the architect is telling me like, hey, like similar to number four at Terry Eadie, like, hey, if you carry this pop bunker, this centerline pop bunker, you're going to get rewarded for that. So we were playing all, uh, scramble, two men scramble. And Brandon hit this awesome three wood that just like carried over this, you know, because it's probably like 30, 40 feet up. I mean, you start climbing up this hill and it's just like a wall and he carried the wall. and we're like, hell yeah, like great shot, man.

We get up there and you get no payoff because then you have like a 110 yard wedge and you still can't see the fucking green. I can't see. No, the payoff is not having to hit 140 or 150 yard shot into that green. Which I guess is totally blind, but I'm like, I just feel like it was three big ass features, two of which were deeply unnatural and this wall of. fairway that's like I don't know concept it's cool concept but I just was like if I carry this wall and I'm just thinking about yeah I'm thinking about resort golfers just hitting straight up

hitting it into this wall and just getting inspected and rejected and then there's a you know you fall off right is a big fall off and then the green is you know kind of wide I mean it's 550 yard hole pretty much anyway you slice it uphill but it's really wide like you can hit you can wail on like a driver off the deck or a three wood and but like you got to earn it man I don't know I just I didn't mind it and then but also like it's a more turned up green if you're hitting wedge in than if you're hitting like seven iron in like there's plenty of room to just cozy one up there close to the green on the left if you're coming in with a longer club there's no there's no bunkers around the green it's you know it's definitely tabletopped you know it's a pretty

demanding shot with a wedge of like you know you can one hop it over the back or you can spin it off the front it's you know i mean there's i guess i'm just looking for a little bit more strategy of like hey if i get up on top of this wall up the left i'm not saying like just give me the keys to the castle if i clear this vert ramp but like just a little bit of like three massive massive like some of the biggest features on the course back to back to back it's like i just went through this gauntlet and it's like okay cool i still You can't see the green. I still don't know how far back that pin is.

You know, blah, blah, blah. Like, if I don't have a caddy, I'm just, I just feel like I'm playing uphill over some of the biggest features on the property. And I'm getting like, I'm not getting like any strategic payoff for like hitting the hard shot. I don't know. I'd be curious. It's really wide.

I think there's more strategy like, let's say you hit drive up the left and then you go up the right to kind of avoid that, that thing. And you've got a flatter lie and then, long left there's another like little ridge that you can take it off of that's kind of the one thing that's helping you out up on that green no i think it's a whole that i i think i need to play it four or five more times i would say visually again looks awesome very unique never seen anything like this wall just this like berlin wall of grass in the middle of a fairway to like

very creative i just again think there needs to be some editing we need to cut out the uh indigenous his dance scene, you know, as, like, it's just, you know, I don't need it. I just need less because I like all the features on their own. Which, be careful of saying that on a New Zealand pod too, because they're, they're, uh, that was in reference to Martin Scorsese and killers of the flower. They're not, not. They're awesome. Not the, the, the, I, no offense to any indigenous people anywhere in the world. Uh, I was talking about cutting. I'm just looking out for you. scenes from a movie anyway that's my i i i am open to changing my mind on this i just found it to be again my argument is just it's too much and then listen 12 it's another one of these par

three's long 200 yards 180 200 yards and it's like oh yeah the play looks like it's play it to the left kicker in the front left of the green but oh there's a pop bunker in the front it just kind of looks the same as number two to me almost like mirror image and i just I just like just falls off like way down that right side. Yeah, and the wind's whipping and it's just like, yeah, I don't know if I'm hitting four iron, you know, on a line to like, again, it just like the kickers, the features that are helping you are very, they almost always feel very small. And the features that are hurting you always feel like they're very big. And that doesn't seem to be the case with Corrin Crenshaw. And so I'd love to just see a little bit more balance there.

And then 13 TC, I thought was just outrageous. hard and maybe 13 is maybe the best driving hole in the course of like you're playing over this oh my god I don't know man it was an awesome driving hole like you got to take it a little farther left and hit take a driver out of your hands comfortable with and you're not taking not you're not necessarily I think three would all the caddies are like don't hit driver

every one of them told me definitely narrows up a bunch uh yeah it's like a 440 450 yard bar four and see gorgeous driving hole you hit it over this this beautiful ridge line and then you're and then you get down there and you're staring straight up at this fucking green so like man like what's up there and he's like honestly man not a whole lot like it falls off like 50 feet down the left side there's you know all this sandy area up the right side i there's there's all this room long right but it's kind of disconnected from the right rest of the green uh or you know you still have to like if you bail out then you got to hit a

really good wedge or you know like like a really good uh chip or hot from up there really long shallow green so we had a we had a pin on the front side of like front edge of this green the first day and i remember having you know it's eight iron nine iron in and just being like maybe longer than that and and like i wanted to walk off the golf course. I was like, I, I just hit like as close to good on that shot as I can and rolled 50 feet, you know, 50 yards down the hill to the left. I ended up making six or seven. And I'm like, and then, and then the next day, the pens more in the middle. And I ended up just, I'm like, all right, I saw how deep this green is. It's probably, you know, 50 yards long. I'm just going to

hit, I'm going to take my medicine and I'm just going to go to the back of this green. no matter where the pin is, every time I play the screen moving forward. And that was the play. And then it's a difficult two-pot to regardless of where the pin is. But you can bail out. But that's another one where I'm like,

man, if I'm, like there's some interesting stuff here where like the, like on 12, the ladies T is 440. The next T is 540. Yeah. On 13, you mean?

No, sorry, on 11. 11. On 13, the ladies tea is 300. The next closest T is forward T, C, the forward T, C, the forward T, sorry, the forward T. The next closest T is 436. All right, I'm going to read you what I might write up in this one. It's just one of those things where it's like, you know, even if you're late, like, I just don't know how you're hitting the ball. 100%.

Okay. 13. Blind T shot that takes driver out of your hands. then you're asked to hit a 175 to 210 shot to an elevated green with no clue where the flag is. Yes, the green is massive and there's room to miss long right. But that's a big ask from that distance. And if you don't clear the right side where the safe haven is, it's like the worst bunker on the golf course. And then, yeah, if you miss, okay, you bail front like just off the green front left,

the ball gets rejected 50 yards away. It was a statistic. I mean, it's so hard. hard it's unreal and so like visually great looking golf hole like you said beautiful driving whole just so hard and like maybe we could just soften like give me just a little bit more uh like i don't think i've been ever been so pissed after playing a hole for the first time and then be like and you know what though i'm dying to go back and hit that shot again i know and that that one i have i have less issue with 13 because there's clear strategy to it and like

But it's just like, you're, I think it's like doke assuming everybody's better at golf than they are. I'm like, man, we're like 96% of the people playing this. Like, like, I'm a one or two handicap on my on my average day or a bad day, I'm getting my dick knocked him. What do you think of 14, par five? Another far five. I liked 14. I thought that was a creative golf hole. Yeah.

I thought that was, that was good. Yeah, it's like a 400 and, you know, 500 to 500. 40-ish far five uphill really cool second shot like you're just trying to drive as far as you can uh there's some visual deception going on but for the most part like you're not going to get into that bunch shot plenty of room to carry it you just got to clear this bunker and then it'll run for you like that the I feel like this what I'm being asked to do the wall of grass that you're trying to cover as long as you cover that cool it is going to feed you right into that great and a fun reveal when you get up there a lot of

going on in that green though maybe maybe we could pull back a couple of those bumps but you sound like that's okay equity guy on on uh yeah pretty decent pretty decent you know yeah it's a it's turned up it's really turned up honey oh brand yeah and like there's a there's another ridge that's that's helping you out up that right side too that's a cool i enjoyed that one i love 15 it's a tribute to the Eden hole at St. Andrews, you know, you've got the two bunkers, you know, you've got the big bunker up the left with the Strath and you got the Eden bunker. And I don't know, it's just a really. And the grass bunker behind the green is very cool there.

Yeah, but it, you know, big, big shot. I think another one like 170 to 180 yards, stills flat, probably a little bit uphill. And no, it's definitely a little bit uphill. The green, you still can't really see the whole. whole green there and I'm like can we just get a little bit better look? It's the best rendition of the Eden hole I've ever seen anywhere outside of San Jose

but it's not one where like you know forward T's or 107 next T's are 155 yeah it's kind of a theme and then you go back back through the little halfway house there and then you cross over the road again and 16 I thought 16

we kind of had two different winds played it into the wind and just you know, felt like I had like a wedge in, like a full wedge in. And then we had a back left pin. And the second day, you could kind of send it and, you know, try to really, like, I think I putted it from like 50 yards short and got it in. It's a little bit like this hole at a hoopie. Uh, the A hole at a hoopie.

It's, it's like this old speedway and you got to like use the banks to get it back in this little nook. Uh, I thought 16 was like one of the cooler, cooler holes there on. a pretty simple hole like kind of a grower yeah it's like 315 you play it 280 if you wanted green's cool how it L shapes back around that dune is yeah is uh that's fun and then you know 17 slightly downhill par three my shortest one on the course 150 to 165 you know we were playing it just ripping wind is ripping in you got to get it on the green otherwise it'll fall off that front edge Yeah, it's just a lot of it really running up. A lot of danger there. I almost look at that hole compared to 17 on South. And I'm just, I'd play 17 on South.

Or 5 on South even too, right? Yeah, I would take both of those holes over this one like. Yeah, I agree. 10 times out of 10. I just think they're like, they're more fun and like just as like just as challenging, but like not like overly. I don't know. It just feels like you have a chance on 17 on the north. I just like, I don't really have a chance here.

And then 18 is like, you can play it as a part 5, you know, 538 from the backs, or you can play it as like a long, you know, kind of a half hole, long four. It's big dog, right, right. Love this whole. I thought this is one of the stronger ones all down the coastline. You mentioned, yeah, they have some houses and, but that doesn't take anything away from it. As far as these are well done up the left. Awesome, like, it's kind of like with the caddy, like picking your target off that team.

is everything and then if you can get it up the left the green sits like back like in these dunes underneath the clubhouse and i don't know that was a good one that was a really like uh really fun finish i think i like that 18th hole more than the south hole the south course is 18th whole both are good but i thought that one was more challenging and more thrilling yeah i think it's one of those things too i think one of the other things that probably hindered north a little bit A, it's newer, B, I think we played it in worse conditions. It was cloudier. Maybe.

It was windy. It was really windy on the South course, though. I don't know. Yeah, but we got some sun strong about that, you know, I've done a lot of thinking about this. And I think if the, I felt like I was just hitting a lot of uphill five, six, seven irons all day. Yes. And I just got a little tired of it. And I'm okay with the, with challenging.

I just I think if the part I guess my biggest if I just sum it up my biggest complaint is like if it's frustrating to me when I see these holes where I'm like if you just do a little less

the hole would be awesome instead of some courses you're like oh this has nothing going on like like it's like doke had some brilliant unique awesome vivid features out there I just think there's like

one or two too many on every hole and that's where I'm I'm that that's my critique of it yeah i guess he would say to you like all right well like what about scottish golf where there's just all sorts of shit going on and every fairway and it's not a flat lie on the whole old course or i would say the elevation of that course is not even in the same universe like all of those scottish courses are dead flat so that's where i'm cool with the humps and bumps but we're talking about like number nine uh numbers number eight number 16 they're like we're talking 50 to 100 feet ridges that we're going over like we're talking

dunes that are 25 feet high hiding greens like it's just all the land is already turned up and so I feel like he manufactured even more volume and I I'm starting to get some static in my headphones you know what I mean I like that I mean you know it's provocative it gets the people going it got up quickly quickly so that I stay married yeah give me your confidence your composite routing of the three uh i've got one at terry edie that one's followed closely by north and then south is good too but uh yeah one i have two at south for sure um i've got three at terry edie followed by north you can talk me to three at north yeah but no no problem with three at terry edy i got four at terry edie

And then it's a tie between north and south. I think those are all great holes. Yeah. I think North is probably a little bit stronger than South even. I was going to say North would, ah, man, that's a tough. North and Terry Edie is a neck and neck. Five at Terry Eadie, no-brainer.

All good holes, though. Yeah. I mean, the South, part three on the South is good, but five is like a little bit of cotton candy, though. Like five on. Yeah, five on North or five on Terry Eadie, six on Terry Eadie. I don't love either north or south six oh yeah

I guess I what if I go and say six north after I spent 20 minutes I mean six north six north are great you know it's a cool hole I think six yeah that would probably be my second place seven Terry 80

it's one of the best holes on earth south is good north is fine eight on Terry 80 love love love that hole say eight on I might push back on that one.

I think south that par five is really, or no, that was the par three. Sorry, so that would be seven. And then eight north is over the, yeah, I guess it is Terry Edy then. Yeah. Nine, I would say Terry Eadie. South has grown on me. North is fun, but I'm not sure it's a great hole. I'd say North just for, I thought it was very unique.

And I thought just straight up, that was a fun golf hole. I'm going with the fun one. 10 south love that hole yeah easy easy answer on that one uh probably probably the weakest set of holes like number wise cross all three crosses yeah the par three courses is not my favorite in the uh yeah what's 10 at 10 at north is up the hill yeah no thanks 11 ter 80 par 5 wow so you're not going with 11 at north no i mean i said it was a cool i don't think it's not like my favorite i did like 11's like one one of my favorite par five on earth so uh you know i would say south i like south

the par four out to the ocean but yeah i was going to say that's in the running for me yeah 12 terriety followed by it it's a tie between the two part of threes for me i think 12 grows on me each time at Terry Ede though. Okay. It's a really fun hole to play from the uptees too. It was like a short four. Like we didn't get a lot of variety in the whole locations there either. You get like a front left hole location or a back left.

It's dope. 13. I went south. Definitely south. The par five up the hill. Par five. Yeah. And then I went.

Then I went Terry Eadie. And then I went north just because that green was just insane. on north 14 south I think you would definitely go Terry Eady I think I would go Terry Edy here Yeah but 14 on the better hole

But 13 or 14 on south is really fun 14 on north is good too Those are all three good holes 15 I went Terry Eadie And then I went north And then south Again all three good golf holes But I think those are two good par threes to go against each other

Terry Eadie north And yeah Yeah. Yeah. And then 16, I went north. Wow. I really like 16 on the north. And then I went Terry UD and then I went 16 on south.

They're all three are kind of fun offbeat holes, though. Like weird, weird kind of par fours. Yeah, they are. 17. I went south. South for me for sure. Yeah. And then I went Terry Eadie.

All three par threes, too. So that's like. Yeah. All three of them, like most card part three is, but I think the South course has the best one. And then 18, I went south, north, Tara Eadie. I would flip it and say North, South, Tara Eadie, but you could talk me into South being the winner there. Yeah. Granted, I haven't added up, like, what the part of this is or kind of that sort of thing.

But, yeah, so I think we're fishing in the same ponds. What's your split, two splits? What's your split between all three courses, if you had 10 rounds? oh man i i'd say kind of what we did like six two two is pretty good you could talk me into like five three south two north you could talk me into one north i definitely want to play north again if i if i went back down there i by no means i'm like i don't ever want to play that course again but i would want to spend my time uh i find it more enjoyable to play the other two we'll go down there and do taur sauce at some point or some video series and i want i'm

fascinated to see what see you go back there when it's more grown in and you know with with kind of experience in your back pocket because i think it would be a grower for you i think i'm like i'm either depending upon the day i'm either like 8-1-1 or like 7-2-1 yeah i can't argue with that i mean terriety's really good but those these other two are like i mean i i love those that you can play three of them and that's that's that's makes it like even more worth the trip down there. So anyway. And then once you're split between the two south and north?

10 rounds. I would say 7.3 south to north. Yeah. I think I'm probably like I'd be happy to play them 5.5. You know, you could talk to me to just going just back and forth. Yeah. Because it is, there are so different that it's like I don't just want to play one of them. Like playing one makes you appreciate the other one more.

Definitely. So I think that's. a good job by them of creating some variety so yeah and then uh again i want to apologize to the ockland airport i had a great experience there did wonderful all sorts of different asian food stands in there you had kind of a tough tough leg back on the way back on air well yeah we had we we had to hit the air new zealand flight um because off season they they only fly they don't you know only flies down like apparently there is a three times a week.

But I don't think it, I think it's certain days of the week. So we were coming back. I can't remember if it was Monday or Tuesday. Anyway, book this flight thinking like, oh, I can then go back. Like you can book it through United, but to like pick your seat, you got to go to Air New Zealand's website. I must have booked, which I never do. I must have booked basic economy.

And my goal was to then go to Air New Zealand and like upgrade because I basically like use points on the United side. And I was going to go pay for the upgrade or something. And I go over the Air New Zealand. The New ones said, they're like, absolutely not, man. You cannot upgrade out of this fair class. And I was like, okay. And then I, it's like, you have to call this number and I'm lazy so I didn't call it.

And so it turns out I'm in like seat 46E or F, which is like, it's a 343-747. And meanwhile, KC's up in like. I was in one, I was in one K. It was one of the ones they're leasing from Cathay Pacific. And they had, like, four, four or eight, like, first class little suites. And so for, like, a normal apartment up front. And I'm, I'm in a middle seat, like, on a four row middle section. And this was to Houston.

And then I got one tip to people is. And it was fine. Like, it's 14, 13 and a half hours. Like, yeah, it's, I, I, I slept a little bit. I watched some bad movies. I watched uncut gems, which was very stressful to, uh, to, which was. Yeah. So, still, still fine flight, but I wish I would have brought compression, like leggings, like, my, I, I mean, talk about being old. Like, my feet swelled up like balloons. Like, I couldn't put my shoes on because, like, sleeping with my feet below my, like, so it was just not, not good. But made the connection. All the bags made it from Houston up to, to Newark. And, you know, a really, really smooth travel on both ends. being able to fly into Houston

is a game changer for me except for I miss my connection because we were a little bit late and I did spend the night in Houston man I thought the people mover thing at Newark was outdated have you ever been in the basement of the Houston airport no they got the weirdest

saying it it makes the little train thing at Newark look like the Jetsons look like the future I mean it's crazy how outdated this thing And they stayed at the airport, Marriott there, bleak scenes. I wouldn't recommend it. So anyway, but it's nice on the way back.

You take off from Auckland. What time do we take off? Like seven? Yeah, 8 p.m. maybe? 8 p.n. When you land back and we landed in Houston at, what, 4 p.m? A little earlier, probably like 2 p.m. So, you know, like you get a whole day back.

Like, if you're going to the West Coast, you can. Yeah, and then I got back. to New York around like 8 p.m and then you know just like right to bed and we played golf that morning like yeah so yeah you just get like a 40 hour day so all right geez good stuff tc love it thanks for setting up the trip thank you to our hosts yes and our caddies and for people listening we're two hours and 33 minutes in if you're still listening we deeply appreciate it just love love kiwis love that part of the world it's the best all right Smelly.

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