No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1101: NLU Personal Golf Rewind 2025

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Soly, TC, Randy, DJ and Neil comb through the data of Team NLU’s golf in 2025 via the USGA GHIN app to see who made the biggest moves in the last twelve months, how we fared in the “Will They Go Lower in 2025” game from last year’s pod and guess if we’ll better our low round from this year in 2026.  We also vow to stop (or start) something in 2026, our favorite trends in golf, and our most interesting playing partners of 2025. Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠ Support our Sponsors: Titleist USGA GHIN App East Sands Golf Co. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. I mean, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

to the no laying up podcast sally here got a rare sunday afternoon in the fall with four others in my company one of them to my left mr big rink to my right if you're watching the screen mr big randy hello big hello chris nice to be here he's got the bengals game on tape delay so no spoilers from the audience for him on this one uh going around the horn mr dj pie is here hello pie man hello guys good to be with you we had to get randy's eyes up on the screen i don't if he's watching tic talks over there what he was doing. I'm going through my scores. Building so many scores this year.

T.C. is here. Of course. Hello, T.C. Buenos Dias, Sali. Mr. Neal is here. Yeah, 5 Y, baby. Stretch alert. Let's get it. Let's get it going.

We're going to tell you quite shortly here why all of us are on the horn here on this Sunday. Before we do that, I'm going to go around the horn and ask you guys a quick question. I want to talk about your equipment set up for the year. I want you to give me something. that gave you a boost, give you something that you liked this year, gave you results in some way, some aspect of it. I'm going to ask you to all to keep it brief. I'm going to start with the least brief guy of all of us, Mr. TC,

what is one thing that helped you this year? One thing you want to shout out. The switch to the new T-series irons, the switch to an X100 shaft, particularly in those. My dispersion has gotten very, very tight. I'm in the 150-250 kind of combo set, and I have the 44-degree pitching wedge. And that, that set up, which it's one thing, Neil, that setup has been a game changer for me. And tie. It is true, by the day.

Reports out of sea island, T.C. is flushing it. Like, he has been flushing it for months, months, months, a month, all over the country. I know, all over the, the, uh, Western Hemisphere that he's flushing it. Yeah, we're probably got it. That's going to come up as well. Neil, uh, you're up next. What's, what's something you want to shout out? I put the Voki SM 10, 44 degree pitching wedge in my,

bag. Weirdly, I've always had kind of a mental, not yips, but I've always struggled to hit the pitching wedge well, and I now look forward to hitting the pitching wedge. So I don't know if it's a placebo optics, but I love that club. Big guy. Oh, you know, I switched to the GT1 driver this year. They finally made the one model for the more elegant swing speeds. And it's great, man. It's coming out of a high window. I'm putting it in play a ton. It just is, I feel very comfy off the tea, which is a huge help when you're playing the game of golf. Pie man. I switched mid-year to the ProV-1 from the ProV-1 X.

You know, I always kind of wanted to be fit into the ProV-1. I love the ProV-1. Love how it looks. Love how it feels, you know, especially a little bit of softness. But needed the X right out of the bat when we got set up with Titleists. I needed a little extra spin, picked up a little more speed, kind of reassessed, and switched to the ProV-1 and had a great second half of the year. for me it's the scotty cameron studio fastback putter as soon as i put it in play sometime in march it immediately made a difference the creator classic and i've been doing a lot more data tracking uh recently and it's just been kind of like i've just been putting okay and like the data is telling me like no no you are putting it excellently like for your for your handicap level and it's like i've gotten really used to like making putts again and uh i have to shout out the studio fast back putter it's been a fantastic addition to the game so sally uh sally you

The studio fastback putter combined with the heads up putting was pretty tough to be down in Guatemala. He putted really well. Wow. Excuse me. I believe that's the first mention them. DC and I were in Guatemala this past week, which is going to come up, I think, in the future as well. But Dean, what are we doing today? We are, we're going to be diving. You said you're, you're putting it very well for your handicap level. Your handicap level changed this year, Sally. And I want to, you know, we're going to go through some of that. And we're going to go through everybody we're going to kind of do a little bit of an autopsy on everybody's year in golf what happened how'd you do

where'd you get better where'd you get worse a couple superlatives couple favorites i got a quiz that will go through with everybody but uh rainy i want to start with you uh you know former member of the the education system you know used to work at a school let's do let's do some grades show me what grade would you would you give yourself this year and what is your your year end handicap so my handicap we can lock it in lock it in uh it's been locked in since the end of october in fact it is a 6.6 is what we're going to end the year at now for those uh keeping score at home you might remember i started the year at a 5.9 the lowest i have ever been my i set a goal for myself to finish the year below a seven handicap so listen

we did well uh i can report we made more birdies than we did last year. I think our year in total is going to be 36. We were looking to beat 30. I think I made 31 last year. So anything 32 or above. That's good. D.J, I think it all comes to, I'm living in that B, B plus territory. And I fail to give myself an A just because I don't think my, my, I didn't have like, you know, 2024 I ended the year with like one of my best rounds of my life. And I just didn't get to those heights

necessarily in 2025. But I think I played very steady, good golf for me. And so I, hell, I'm going to give it a B plus. That's where we're going to land. Randy, I think you raised the floor. I think the floor, thank you, T.C.

I think we are, we are a higher floor. We're, you know, candidly, we're not doing much to push that ceiling up, but it's nice raising the floor. I feel like solidly mid to low 80s golfer most times I go out there, which is. Randy, were you running a four corners offense towards the end of the year when you were 6.6, try to keep that thing below seven, just slow the pace down, less rounds, more fun. It's like the Aon Risk Reward Challenge, just not play.

No, no, no, we can't, we should, we should just take less reps here. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. I don't know if I turned down necessarily. I may have turned down a chance here. Reverse in Denver. Yeah, I was running out the clock a little bit, Neil. You know, it's nice to- Not the wrong with that.

Still a win. No, it's nice to spend winner on that 6.6 for me. That's a nice place to be. Fair. I love it. Solly, let's go to you next. Where are you at? I think I'm going to get myself a B-minus.

I kind of feel like I missed like a month and a half of the semester, you know, for personal reasons. I had to, you know, part of, part of it was excused. Part of it was not excused. I ended the year, I started the year at plus 1.9, but that was kind of a silly flu because I just didn't play at the end of 2024. And I ended the year at 0.2, which feels really low on some days and has felt high on some days this fall, where I've like captured it and had it and was got accused of sandbagging a little bit at a recent event. So didn't do great against my goals for the year. I tried to go get to 180 ball speed.

I kind of, I didn't even come close on that. I've been turning the wrong direction on that. I've not been stacking. Life has gotten the way on that one. I tried to go for 10 rounds under par. Pretty much had to run the table to finish out the year. I think I got five. I think I got five total rounds under par for the years.

Okay. Hey, listen. It might have been six. And among the stars, brother. That's right. Dude, I had Dobbson, I bogeed the last hole to blow one of them. And I recent round, I had bogeyed the last. two to blow one of it as well. So I could have been sitting at eight with a couple of weeks left

in the year here with a shot at it, but I don't think I can get four more. You know, I just love that's just more evidence of goal setting though. Like you remember those rounds now. You're like, oh, I had a chance there and there. Like that's what I love. Double bogey stuff too, Randy, where it's like, oh my God, I blew it at the end. You know, that's, I love it. Strictly at the end of the NIT. I was, I knew I was out of my TC was going to win the bracket. And I had like two holes to play. And I'm like, somebody tried to scoop a pup for him. Like, no, no, no, that's not good. No. No, I need to make that. That counts.

That counts. Welcome, Sally. The goals are super helpful. I will, I'm going to have that. I love that goal. I'm going to have that back on the list for this year as well because it does keep you tracking. It keeps you, you know, wanting to do that. Want to hit 12 new courses.

We did that. Wanted to eradicate the lefts. I feel like I would have said yes to this like two weeks ago and they're starting to creep back in. So I think I just can't, you know, I know. I can't say I've officially done that one. Are you a fader? There were times where you said you were a fader this year.

I hit a couple five-yard fades this year. Yeah, I got a few. I saw it out on, uh, was that on, on Friday, I think, Sally, you hit a, you hit like a five-yard fade. I was like, holy shit, you hit a fade. It felt like I was setting up for a bubble slice. And that's like what the swing felt like. And it moved left to right.

That's all we could say. You and I are the opposite, man. So that's how I have to try to hit a left to right. I'm like, I just need to like aim left and try to block this ball. Yeah. how I get it going left, right. Neil, I want to go to you next because some of this conversation makes me think about when we were up in the Northeast at the title of shoot.

And you said, quote, I don't want to hit a draw, but I want to know what it feels like to hit a draw. A, do you know, do you know what it feels like? And B, then kind of the rest of your answers for the year? I do. But the funny part is my brain, if I'm not laser focused on it, still thinks like what my brain thinks creates a draw is like a mega slice. It's like it's all like back.

Game of opposites, man. Yeah. So, no, but I feel like I picked up some good knowledge, you know, from Dr. Greg, but also from the me and my golf guys on just how to get how to shallow the club, Randy. I'm, I can't do it. I struggle with it. But we're getting better.

I grade, I'd say B plus went from a 1.9 to a 1. I played really well in some competitive environments, but I'd say B plus just because I kind of, you know, I pass failed the end of the year, kind of been, haven't played since September, really, one round since September, some life stuff. There's five inches of snow on the ground, so golf feels pretty far away right now for me.

But I, you know what I did well? I didn't practice any more than I practiced the year before. But Randy, we mentally got better. Truly, like, I think course management, like sharper up here, like wily veteran stuff. I think I'm growing up as a golfer and it showed in my scores, especially in some competitive rounds when it counted. So I'm going to say B plus. Neil, I think you have a very enviable ability to not be affected by gaps of time in your play and lack of ability to get out and touch a club. I don't think if I spend a month without touching a club and go out to the course, it takes me like three weeks to like undo what I've done in my head.

of how rusty I am and you just you're kind of like yeah you know I'll go out there figured out like I'll be fine I've maintained it's it's kind of crazy over the last 10 years I've done a good job of maintaining a pretty um athletic let's let's call it athletic swing like more a feel swing right like I don't get too locked in on planes and and I'm you know I'm trying to get my back into a better position but other than that for my health it's nothing nothing really like that I'm working on with like you see Tommy Fleet would warm up I'm like I don't have the the sticks in nine different locations, gates and stuff. Solly, the reason I'm able to do that, though,

is because my short game is so, like, mediocre that it's just like, oh, if we just happen to put well, it could go well, you know what I mean? So, like, the New York City stone hands, that's what we have to fix if we want to get under a zero. The stony roller. Yeah. Let me go next, TC. Let me clean up my little tap in here before you, you know,

to clear the stage for you because I think it was the year of TC. but I went from a 6.9 to a 5.8. I kind of a tale of two halves. Not a great start of the year, feeling a little lost. You know what I think helped, honestly, was the personal golf spotlight episode we did.

Just getting some of those thoughts out of my head into the world, just being received with open arms, hundreds of responses to that. It's just some great people reaching out. And just feeling a little less neurotic on the golf course, I think, in the second half of the year.

made for a much more enjoyable second half. So, yeah, 6.9 to 5.8. And I feel like I still didn't quite get out there as much as I would have liked. But, you know, like all of you guys, you know, lots of stuff to do at home, a little harder than ever to sneak out to the golf course. So played a decent amount, played with a good variety of different people. I had a great golf year. I think I'm living right in that B range myself, you know, could have been,

could have worked a little harder, could have studied a little harder. But, you know. But she had fun. I had a great time. I had a great going to life long friends. 100% agree. And bees get degrees. That's exactly.

Exactly right. That's how that's how I feel. You're going to remember the parties a lot more than you will, what you learned in class. That's right. Couldn't agree more. T. Steve, take us away. Let's see.

What grade would I give myself? I would say a B plus. Oh, come on. If you don't have an A, like, what are we doing? I don't know. I think I, sorry, I started the year to 2.4. I'm at a 0.4. I've been at a 0.4 for the last month or so.

I pretty much hit my goals. I think my goals were. Sign up for the midam. No, they're a little different this year. Track Eagles, which I did. I made 13 Eagles this year. I haven't made one. I tracked my Eagles as well.

It was a much easier. I think I'm going to get to 300 birdies. I'm at 252 birdies. Are you serious? Yeah. That's so many. I got a 57, Randy. Wanted to play 75 rounds of golf.

I've played 96 this year. That's so much golf. A lot of those aren't, you know, I think the... For tax reasons, some of those are not counted in this. Some of them aren't counting because they weren't on courses that are rated or on new courses. I was going to say, point four feels a little bagger-vancy for me. I mean, you played some good golf. you're saying bagger fancy like like too high like yeah

like humanity plus like from what i saw like okay so tc shoots like pretty much the best i've ever seen you play at sand hills can't post that score you know there's some match play courses where tc's balled the fuck out and we can't post those so i would say you're plus he's within the system there's no i know he is i'm not i'm not saying there's any impropriety here i'm just saying like if you don't give yourself an a i think you had a fantastic golf year is what i'm this is kind of a backhanded compliment yeah i didn't make five birdies in a row that that certainly drags it that's why we can't have an egg yeah i don't even think i made four birdies in a row i made three quite a few times and i would get nervous when i started

creeping towards four um i think i i can unequivocally say i'm playing the best golf of my life right now or i feel like i'm a better golfer than i've ever been i think maybe i was i was i was more I had more explosive traits when I was in high school, 16, 17, 18. But I know a lot better how to get the ball in the hole now, whether it's reading greens or distance control or course management, that sort of stuff. I think that you sound like Rory. A little bit. I would say the stuff that's limiting me is fitness and just not warming up and not really. you know, I still don't practice.

Really, it's just a matter of like I, I'm locked in when I play golf, like during a round of golf. I'm locked in on, and I'm similar to what you were saying about Neil Zolli, of like, I feel like I can keep that stuff rolling. You know, granted, I played a lot of rounds this year, but they're still like binges, right? Like I'll play, played more rounds in the Southern Hemisphere that I played at my home course this year, which is pretty crazy.

I, you know, like I'll play six rounds. in three days or six rounds and four days or ten rounds in seven days and then I won't play for two weeks or whatever so I still had 15 rounds in the 80s which isn't good I'd like to limit that to single digits in the 80s next year I shot under par three times got even par four times I think my goal is to break par twice so I did that and 23 rounds out of the country this year which which is about almost a quarter of my golf. Okay, which is where all the stats you just laid out.

Yeah. I don't know how you're only a point four and I'm a one, but you know what I'm just like that's not the math isn't working for me. I'm playing a lot of golf. I mean, I'm yeah, I get. Yeah.

There's a lot of like 74, 75, 76 is in there. A ton of those. Or like I'll shoot I'll shoot 4033 or 4034, that sort of thing. Just kind of won't get off the bus and then I'll, you know, I'll play well in the back night. So I would give you an A

Yeah, I think you're whiplashing yourself here If you're not giving yourself an A As brothers, I feel like we've been pretty equal The last couple years And I just felt you, you know He's pulling away from me I'm like, oh no, there he goes, you know Just playing throughout the year

TC and I played more golf this year together Than we did in the last two years And I was like, every time I was like, Damn, he's just playing good Except for in upstate New York You beat the shit out of me in the upstate New York Yeah, you were you were kind of vibing out though on the uh just the the area so um well that's a good that's like the 10 footers now tc is like

is making or burning an edge like that's a been the biggest game changer i think is like you're putting on the putts that matter the most statistically you've gotten so much better at on top of like striking it still really well you go there's some really nice periods with your chipping every now and then you'll have the backbreaker still um and it's just like once every every two or three rounds where it's just like once every every two or three rounds where like it literally cost me like three shots. Like that's the difference between me being a scratch and me being a point four. You will look up.

You're like, God, he's playing so good. And he'll look up and he's like, he shot 76. Like it wasn't like a minute. You kind of just will run out of steam for like two, three holes. Like, you know, still putting it together. You'll play like 15 really solid holes. And it's really hard to beat in match play. And that's why like I left the Guatemalotry.

I was like, dude, I want to play like on TC's team at some point. Like we're always going to battle. And I'm fucking sick of it. it man i'm absolutely sick of it yeah i think the other thing is is the like just being being comfortable scoring with my wedges like being okay like you know like my expectations to make a birdie here not not like you know trying to get one on the green yeah so Cody DJ if i may since tc is identifying something here and he's brought fitness up two to three times is that something that you're going to do in 2026 or is just this another one of those things where you're

Me or DJ? Identifying. No, this is a question for T.C. You're identifying the issue. Are you going to make an improvement there? Yes. Yes. I'm committing to that.

I think I've done some things that, like, I still do some of the, this, the, the, uh, TPI workout stretching stuff that Dr. Greg Rose gave to me. Like, that's, that's absolutely helped. Like, I think my, my baseline is, my foundation has risen as far as, like, you know, I'm not the stiffest person in the world anymore. I'm among the stiffest people in the world, but I'm not the stiffest person in the world anymore. So now how can we get stronger now?

How can we get just a little bit more endurance going? Man, sky's the limit, T.C. Get that going. All right. We did an episode a couple weeks ago, me and Tron and Solid. It's kind of all about favorite courses we saw for the first time this year.

Randy, Neil, you guys weren't on that episode. I was curious if you guys had anything to add to the list. I mean, I had an embarrassment of great golf courses I got to see for the first time this year. I mean, chronological order, we went to Northern Ireland in, what was that, April, late April, early May, got to see Royal County Down for the first time, got to see Royal Port Rush for the first time, very much a treat. Followed that up, Dege, with one of my many trips to Wisconsin, one of my many trips to Wisconsin, one of my many trips to Milwaukee this year got to go out

Blue Mound was an absolutely Are you going to TC this? Are you going to just go down the leaderboard? I mean these I think these are all deserving of mention quite honestly You tell me if one doesn't meet your standards Neil I will

Hell I'll throw Brown Deer Park in there Hello world That's right Got to see that Midsummer got to go out for the USGA Media Day at Cypress Point saw that for the first Have you ever heard of you? I don't know if that's worthy of inclusion.

In late July. We got to get DJ out to Cyprus in 20s. In late July, at the Homestead, I got to play the Cascades course. Shout out, I think they hosted the U.S. senior women's AM this year. That was a fun golf course. Cody and I got to see Pannard in Wales. We got to see Royal Porthcall on our trip to the AIG Women's Open. Neil, again, you stop me if these aren't worthy.

I just didn't think that was the exercise. I thought you had to be selective about it. Got to see Marion Golf Club West, not the East Course, the West Coast. West is sweet. A ton of fun to walk. Yep. And then I'll cop it off with a trip to San Valley, my first ever trip to San Valley. Got to play the Lido and all the courses there.

So truly, truly, hyperbole aside, I feel like this was one of my most special years ever in terms. I mean, shit, Cyprus and Royal County Downer are literally two of the top, what, three, four, five best courses in the world. I felt very fortunate to see some some excellent, excellent golf courses this year. Oh, my God, wipe your beak off, big, man. It's all sloppy, wet in the beak. Unreal. I mean, what do you have, Neil? Well, I'm not going to go down to leader.

I thought it was like pick your... Pull your pants down, Neil. What do you got? all right i so well the first one i had was wild horse uh that we saw in july and Nebraska yes in Nebraska public golf course in um what tc what's the town gothmberg gothmberg Nebraska i was blown away because it reminds me in a way of pinehurst number two and that like if you play it once you can't really pick out like that was an epic hole but it's just like an awesome round of golf like all 18 you know i just thought you

And I couldn't point to, we were using the analogy on that trip of like an Alan Jackson song. It's like, yeah, it's so simple. It's like, yeah, why don't you try to fucking write it? See how, see how you do. Like, it's just like really simple, but really good. And I think about Wild Horse a lot. And so that one sticks out to me. New kind of boots.

So on the other end of the spectrum, guys, I played Maidstone. And I kind of wanted to not like it. Harpooning. I went harpooning in August. And I was like, you know, it's. places blue blood i hope it stinks and it was awesome okay corn crunch on the atlantic ocean yeah right you're going in with that mindset i don't find that for a second sometimes you want like the you know the master of the universe you want to you want to be like awesome that good you know and it's like

no this place this was it was sweet it was just the way it into like the tidal lands and then out to the ocean and i mean it was a really uh really special uh course hard course too and then the the last one i will uh i shout out is marian uh east randy play the west course as well but i really enjoyed the east course and i call it the uh the birthplace of par force uh you place you play a par five on this i think the second in the fourth or fifth hole and then it's just long ass par threes and par fours all the way home par 70 golf course and it on paper i'd be like man that sounds like no fun and it was it was a tremendous golf course and kind of understood what's the hype was, uh, was out there. Um, so that's a quick question for you, Neil. Uh, did you get to shower at

Marion? I did. And it was, uh, it was, it was, it was, it was heavy. Unbelievable, right? Yeah. Still, I still, I still think though, I know it's kind of a kind of golf inside joke. I think the showers at country club of Scranton are still the most powerful showers I've, I've ever experienced. But Marion had some firepower for sure. Uh, Michael Bamberger, we played the West. So if I, if I can name drop, That was when I was doing the podcast with him. And he was like, we have to go shower at East at the clubhouse. And I said, say no more. I did think it was a weird vibe in there, though.

Like you're not supposed to talk to like anybody, right? Like I'm trying to be like, oh, hey. In the clubhouse or just in the showers? I think up in the locker room maybe. Not in the shower. I'm not chatting people up in the showers. But I, yeah, I was so uncomfortable. The shower was phenomenal.

And then I could not get out of there quickly enough. Yeah. I did not. I actually I didn't get a sense now they were very serious about taking your hat off no hat undercover so even under the awnings it was like get that there'd be showing some dome piece uh so I was a little little on eggshells about that but I didn't sense that the locker room was over and well you get a lot of experience deal I'm sure you didn't feel as that places I did you just ran down your list Mr. Cypress unbelievable like what are you talking about that was that was caddy day at the Bushwood country club though I I might start calling him Mr. Hollins. That's Cyprus. All right. Moving on.

We can catch up on the rest of this. Hold on. Real quick. Real quick, because I think the point of it is, like, which course stuck with you the most? Well,

that was why I narrowed it down to Wild Horse and Maidstones. I mean, I played a bunch of other ones. I mean, I'm not going to lie to you. Played Terry Eadie, played Sand Hills. Those were fantastic golf courses.

But I think that, I was trying to do the exercise here, gentlemen. Yeah, Randy, I was reading in the agenda, favorite courses you saw. I mean, how am I going to draw the line there? TC to your question, I mean, like, I feel bad even saying this, but we got a bluebird day at Royal County Down. People can go watch the video. Like, that's such an amazing walk and just being in that atmosphere is incredible.

And then Cyprus, getting to see it, right? after, you know, it's this, like, mythical creature almost, getting to walk that and see that course and, you know, kind of culminating out there on the ocean with, with the back-to-back part three's. I mean, it's incredible. The very easy answer, but those two are the ones that are like, yeah, I get why, I get why they're highly rated. I understand.

Randy's going to turn you a top 100 chaser. So you know, I did hear a whole lot from these two boys. Top 100. Hit me up. Hit me up. I didn't hear a lot of budget golf courses on all those courses. that they bragged about wild horse

I shouted out wild horse get out of here okay I'm afraid we've lost Randy though he's gone god that's a good dick there top 100 radies

that's good stuff top 100 Rick reached out to both solid yeah I love it yeah I should collide yeah I want to

uh quick quick around the horn uh one one hole that's gonna stick with you uh from from this year could be good, could be bad, could be interesting. I'll give you guys a second to think.

I can go first. Randy, I know you mentioned our Northern Ireland trip. We've talked about this a bunch of times, but the whole, I can't believe that of all the golf holes I played this year, this is the one that sticks out to me. That little like 60 yard par three on the band course at Castle Rock where our guy, our guy Patty hit his 64 degree wedge down to the bottom of that canyon. I just, I think about that's one of the, that's probably the most fun shot. I think I hit all year. I just, I absolutely tickled me in just everywhere. I played with a guy,

uh, I guess a couple weeks ago, the only round it has to be because the only round of golf I played in three months. Uh, he had a, put out of 64. He was like, what,

what do you want to? 64. And I was like, what? You know, just the fact that there's a 64 and anyone's bag blows my mind. I know. I think you should have to pass a test to carry a 64.

And our guy, Patty, like, I don't think you should have that, dude. Our guy Patty was not, he should not have been carrying one. keep that they get a gun safe

you need a license for that man who wants to go next oh man I go next go ahead TC I'll uh I got two holes and I think I think one was the shortest hole I played this year

and I think one was the longest hole I played this year I know what the second one is the 66 yard par three I can't remember what number it was Cody if you remember it was it was it was at Lecumbre golf club

one of the first I think it was gosh, one of the first rounds of the year for me. Roberto DiVecenzo made a 12 on it way back in the day. It was just a little diabolical, a little par three. I loved every second of that. The other whole, Deg, you know what

I'm going to say, Bayside Golf Club. Mr. Belding's plays. Mr. Belding's plays. Mr. Carros he was out there. 6,944 yard par 4. 652 yards to like one of the most difficult. Death on both sides.

It's hard as well. It looked like, yeah, something you'd see in TGL. Yeah. Yeah. Like it just got progressively more narrow as you got up to the green. So like you could either lay it up to like 170 yards to, and the greens are running away from you or you, you were trying to try to get it on the green.

I think you could play that whole a hundred times and maybe, maybe get it on. But you just say, T.C. I think, lipped out for Bertie. I lost three balls on that. I just yank the first one, O.B, yank the, you know, hit a provisional, then hit that four-shot OB, and then try to like drop one hit a chip for fun and just scold that over the green. See you, dink.

I think that that might have been where it officially became the year of T.C. Exactly. Like, oh, man, he's just like moving his chest piece. Just boom, boom, boom, boom, on the green. Oh, yeah, sorry, I lipped out for Bernie. I guess I'll take a five and move on. It's like, man, that whole is so hard. Great choices.

Great choices. Neil, what do you got? I've got two for you. One is... He's yelling at me about going... No, two is different than going down the leaderboard, T.C. style. First is Country Club of Troy. TC, what is it?

The fifth hole that the centerline, like, swamp, par five up and over the hill. Yeah, either four or five. Yeah, so in our upstate New York video, we profiled this hole. That kind of summed up Country Club of Troy, which I think is one of the more interesting golf courses I played this year just from a land standpoint. And that like just the history of that hole and I can, you know, close my eyes and picture trying to hit it over that blind hill and the green sits down over that creek.

So that one, just one of those settings, you know, I don't think it's the best hole I played or my favorite hole. It's just, it was very different. And then the second hole is, I think it's the 11th at TRI North, Tom Doakes Joint down in New Zealand. I think it's one of the worst golf holes I've ever. played and i just wanted to shout that one out that's sick the opposite of minimalist you can go listen to our new zealand episode if you'd like to learn more oh man god electric stuff i like it randy what you got you want me to go sure well i i think you were i'm surprised this didn't make more of a impression on you but when we were playing royal county down we encountered the back t bandit

on the 7th, the part 3, 7th. That was just, was it the 4th? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was a 7th. Seven's the one where I died and hit it down to that left side. That's my joke. I think honestly the 16th, the world famous part 3 at Cyprus.

So I was just wondering what I was going to do on that whole the whole time. I ended up like it was a driver for me. I don't think anybody else was wondering what you were going to do. I know. I just don't have that shot. I think if I ever get to play it again, I'm probably just laying up left and trying to make a scummy par that way. So elegant. But I hit three drivers into the Pacific Ocean, not close.

And then my fourth driver, I hit onto the green and made par on my fourth ball. But what was crazy? So again, USGA Media Day, I, head of the Walker Cup. They had some equipment. The last time the Walker Cup was at Cyprus was late 70s, early 80s, I think prior to this year. And they had like the golf clubs from that era out on the 16th hole. And, you know, just teeing up this like persimmon driver or these the small, small headed three wood, like truly drove home to me how good the ball striking is at that level. compared to like my shitty ball striking like nothing i don't think there was a uh an instance all year

that just drove home like you are not that good at this game uh then like standing over a ball 200 and however many yards to the green with like this tiny ass driver and i'm just like i like no chance absolutely zero chance so all respect to to the ball striking jesse's out of the late 70 early 80s that that was a eye opener for me at Cyprus. And then the puzzle master made a, made a par on 18. That's right. I did make one of the world's worst, maybe best pars on 18. Truly unbelievable. Out of play every shot and curled in this stupid little 15 foot putt. Yeah. I didn't have my clubs with me. We should have got to mention that guy getting smoked by that deer on 18. What a year for the 18th hole.

Solly, what do you got? I am going to do a this I was trying to think like is this is this recency by is going through this one but the fourth hole at great dunes is just one that's going to stick with me it is we just released that video this past week and it's this par five with this green set is it's one of the only parts in like northeast Florida southeast Georgia where you can get to play along the ocean like the reveal you have up on that green it tucked in behind the dune the way it's set there that was just like it was just an unbelievable golf hole and I was thrilled to get to see it and the other one I was thinking about the third hole at national golf links uh which is of course I got soft see for the first time this year the alps hole was such a freaking bold golf hole it's really hard to describe how uphill it is like from the fairway on the lower part to this just completely blind top scene that it it just almost gave you like this little tiny peak

of the flag from the T and it set out this this thought of like this classic design thought of it looked like more like capture the flag. It was like all right dude here's this isn't like a golf hole but like we're gonna go hide this hole way up on this hill and you gotta go find it like that was that was what it felt like

we were doing on a lot of places that golf course and I've just thought about that a lot since that moment. I love it. Well guys we're going to get into kind of the one of the main events of the episode here. The gin rewind, which is going to be brought to you by our friends at the USGA. Look for this this week in your gin app. The, uh, they deploy their gin rewinds, which takes a little look at how your season went helps helps you break down, uh, how your

handicap moved throughout the year, some of your best rounds, uh, some of your worst rounds, toughest tests you played, uh, easiest courses you played, how many rounds you played, where you played, when you played, uh, all kinds of, of different insights in there. Uh, they all live in, the gin app, the gin rewind drops Tuesday, December 16th in the USGA gin app presented by Century Insurance. So make sure to update your app if you haven't in a while and relive every moment that made your year on the course. Neil also, you know, it sounds like maybe some updates coming this year to the gin app that you've been looking for. Well, just starting to reward you for plugging in your hole by holes and your stats. And I've tried to do that a lot more this year.

And it's fun to look back on it. Like I got a few notes for mine that are helpful. I still wish I could export it and do some more with it. But I think that's some of the updates to look out for in the first half of 2026. So look for your gin rewind this week. Share it off, you know, show it off. Put it on social. Everybody, you know, I kind of weirdly love looking at everybody's year in review.

So, you know, get them out there. Tag me in them if you want. I'll take a look. I don't care. Uh, download the gin app if you don't have it. Start posting scores, get your index, unlock insights made just for you. Guys, uh, I got a little bit of a quiz that I want to put you guys through here. Okay, uh, and before we do, I want to share that overall good news team NLU's

handicap, which I'm saying the five of us plus Cody Casey and Ben, uh, team NLU's handicap dropped by a cumulative 4.4 strokes this year. So well done to, uh, to everybody. on average, that means everybody dropped about a half stroke each. Love that. That's very, very exciting stuff. First question, whose handicap went down the most?

Casey. Yeah, I know. I feel like Casey's is going to be the answer here, but you, I, I feel like Ben might be dipping into some uncharted territory. It's just he's so low already. I don't know if he could, you know. If he could pull already. Can't go any lower. Yeah. Well, TC told us he dropped by two

two shots. I'm going to throw a vote for Cody. this is a sneaky it could be a sneaky one here prize goes my i'm gonna go tc prize goes to ben who went from plus 1.1 to plus 3.5 yeah i think he's been doing some work yeah guys absolutely yeah he's just been plus 3.5 in the lab in the lab he's kind of been calling himself like an imposter though a little bit because he's he plays a lot on his home course and it's it's rated pretty hard and it's soosia.

Sitting up. I mean, you get Ben on Bermuda. You get Ben on Bermuda. That's where you want them. All right. Unfortunately, but we have to do it for legal reasons. Whose handicapped went up the most? DJ Pie. Mine went down. Dickhead. I just talked about that.

You weren't paying attention. Has to be me. More than yours. It is solid. It is solid. Yeah. He mentioned plus plus 1.92. I had you to plus 0.4, perhaps that went down okay uh i'm sorry to a point for perhaps i went down in in guatemala this week spoiler alert uh who won the n l u scoring title lowest average round i think this one's probably pretty easy that's got to be ben right that was ben uh would be the safe money there 72 and a half

who was who was second cody yeah i'd go with c you got to start believing in yourself man i was just going to say yeah tc right tc 76.6 sally 76.7 just i mean you know i know you want to be on his team but i we've got a natural head-to-head building here you know coming off the great dunes video that just i i don't know i kind of want to see you guys go uh go head-to-head straight up more this is this is we got more coming plenty of it in the uh guatemala v Guatemala Guatemala the park tgl video we have a lot of head-to-head this winter on the most provocative Pete and Perry die courses you've ever seen

who played the most rounds in 2025 sounds like TC did anybody get to half of TC is the question one person one person was six behind TC Casey Casey yeah TC he got

all the time got to 78 posted rounds of course this was taken when like a month yeah a couple weeks ago probably Casey was at 72 at the time Fewest rounds played fewest rounds posted I should say

Mr. Big no I think this is where Cody Cody doesn't He doesn't play that much he practices and then it was Mr. Big 31 I think he named him all in the As you're going through that I'm like they're all pretty world class He was to played like three times in Colorado this year His goal for 2026 did not play any non-top 100s that's right 100 Randy big year you are

very right I did post 42 rounds this year though oh that's a big big year and I'll say that's up 27 rounds that's a lot year I didn't realize you're getting a man like that that's great Cody what are you at there's a lot of summer golf finally was able to be played I'm at a 2.4

right now gosh that's you know I will say high numbers that are I think you want to prove or Cody stock right now just listen to his personal golf spotlight episode which delightful people should go listen to that but yeah that that's about to be trimmed i think i was just going to say i did have a goal to play 10 or more rounds in denver and i played 10 exactly so 10 of those 31 were i fly the banner i may have played more in in wisconsin honestly

no you're going to pay taxes uh anything stick out kind of interesting insights from you guys is a rewind you're looking at? I'll start. I got a big kick out of the breakdown. I played the most rounds of golf on Wednesdays this year. I played nearly a third of my of my rounds on Wednesday. More, four more than I played six on Tuesday,

five on Thursday, 10 on Wednesday, and then the rest were twos and threes. I'm not a weekend golfer. I can confirm that. We knew it wasn't going to be Mondays based on the places you're playing. big.

I might have to HR violation you know as Randy was out on the golf course every Wednesday write that one down mine was Thursday big I had the most on Thursdays

I think because like it's just kind of perfect it's not you know it's not cliche Friday of course it's a little less busy but it's still you know once you get through Wednesdays like weeks basically over anyways

you know so a lot of rounds yeah a lot of rounds on Thursdays for me I posted two two weekend rounds this year and two Saturdays zero Sunday that was I knew it was bad I didn't know it was that bad yeah few things I think

that's a that's a sign of a life well lived I sure support that you know if you can avoid the weekend rounds that's great much better than weekend golf yeah I feel like yeah no but your phone blows up during weekday golf like the weekend golf is like you can relax and and enjoy it and take it in I I must have been it must have been travel trips as well to record those I don't I did not play once in Jacksonville on week on, I don't think. Well, the, the NIT would have been at least one of those Saturday. That would be it. That would, yeah.

24% of my rounds were played on Fridays. Blue Man. Some of that I got a shout out, my guys in the Blue Man group. I've got a couple stats that I liked, Dege. Well, not, well, just one interesting, 36 total rounds logged. I probably played 40, I think I played 42. but again some match play situations in there 32 different golf courses that's great so i always feel like the handicap travels pretty well because i'm playing all different kinds of places uh i played

terriety you know four times was accounting for a lot of that and then uh marine park uh i played twice shout out the marine park and would you consider that your home course um not anymore but kind of wild to be a man without a home course yeah definitely so hopefully hopefully we'll change that here in new jersey at some point in the next six months uh and then my part i had a goal at the beginning of the year to get my par five scoring under par and i did that hey hey you know so i didn't log every hole by hole but like i logged it all for all the tournaments and like the big rounds and it was i think 4.8 5 or 4.9 so like just under par but like that's definitely progressed so i think that's some low-hanging fruit for me to get from a two to a one was just like yeah don't mess up

the par five's like that's where i have an advantage and i think i did a better job taking advantage of that so that's a great play more conservatively or how did you how did how did how would you say you went about that uh that's a great question i really couldn't tell you can i make a guess you seem just more comfortable making birdies like you made a joke about it in the montana video about how you're like oh you know i still feel a little you know sheepish about catching the fish know, but, like, you've just made so much more birdies over, so many more birdies over the last couple years that you've got to be more comfortable with burying par five.

Well, and the difference with the par five's, the discomfort with birdies is when it's a one put. Par fives are great because it's like if you can hit the green and two, you just two put, right? That's where that's why it's easy money. And so. Yeah. So I think, solid, to your question, I think I did a better job of club selection into those like par five or like missing on the fat side of the green just being a little more thoughtful about my approaches instead of being like the ship three wood baby you know just like try to hit the stick it's like no probably don't do that um

i think i just got a little bit better at like thinking through the shot uh this year i when you're like a shout out your voky sm 10 44 degree pitching wedge too neal i'm sure that played a little part in it it definitely did why do i feel like you're mocking me randy no i'm i'm you guys good there's a lot of chippiness i'm the one listening i feel like i'm listening to people I feel like things are in a great spot in the C-suite. And we got the strap boys like this guy sucks. You got a listed eight goals. My and dry at Hogan Park.

He's top 100 Randy this year. Keep that in mind on our goals pot in a couple of years. These guys getting a taste of top 100 golf courses. TC and I were literally picking handpicking coffee beans this past week in fields in Guatemala. While these guys argue about top 100 golf courses. You guys probably doing the Elizabeth Holmes holding the coffee. beans up into the light. I will say, Neil, you brought up playing a little bit more conservative and plotting

your way through par fives, but you've talked about your par fours and how you need to be aggressive and how you get to like 140 yards in any. You're not picking targets there. So I think because I, yeah, I'm working with a mental coach this year. I think that's honestly why I've gotten, if you want to pick, did I do anything different? I've been working with this guy, John Schram, would recommend people. Well, it's been the biggest takeaway from that. Was like, allow yourself to fire, like, there's like three or four times around where you're going to have a chance to fire out a flag and it's okay.

And I almost think for a long time with wedges and approach shots, I got in my head about like, missed the fat part of the green. Like not just simplifying it. Be like, take dead aim here. Now, the key is, are you picking the right times to do that where you're not going to have your hand in the cookie jar? And so, but like, I don't know, it sounds really simple and I almost feel stupid saying it, but it's like there were, I can pick moments. in some of these tournaments where it's like, yo, this is,

you've evaluated everything. Like, this is a green light. You should just try to make it from like 120. And it's like, did I make it? No. Did I hit it like four feet?

Yes. And you're like, holy shit. Like, just try to hit the bulls eye. What club do you hit from 120? Uh, the 48 degree.

Ah, damn. You know, I totally agree. It's going to be perfect. Yeah, I know. I think it's like,

no, like try to try to make this. Like, uh, the cat that we had done in New Zealand. He was like, I was like at it he's like yeah make it

yeah you know what like why I just I over as I've gotten better at golf over the last 10 years I I've done that so much less does that make sense like on par three's I'm like where but like I hit me when I was talking to John like I can't remember the last time I was on a par three and yeah those are like 160 170 shots where you were like

yo I'm gonna I'm gonna dunk this one you know like I don't even joke around about it it's like no miss it like you want to be right of the stick here you're like so you're almost like lost in the sauce. And it's like, well, no, why don't you just simplify it and just like, you're not allowed to, to aim. Yes. Everybody seems to be coming around. Yeah, I know. I know. I know this sounds really dumb. No, it doesn't. It was deeply, deeply relate to what you're saying. I want to reiterate, the key is you can't do that every time. Okay, that will get you in trouble.

Maybe you should start this year. Now, just do that every shot. No, no, no. It's, but there's certain times in the round where you hit a good drive. You're like, all right, this is a chance. Like, you got to, you got a fire at the flag here. So, anyway, I'm digressing. I love it. Uh, All right. I want to go to another one. This is something we did last year. This is going to turn into one of my favorite games. I think kind of the bulletin board, the bulletin board game, I think. We took everybody's low score of the year last year in 2024.

We made a bunch of predictions. Will they go lower in 2025? Yes or no. Solly, you shot 65 last year at Bonnie Dune, I believe. I think there's probably a lot of nos. I'll put my hand up on that there was going to be a no. Did you go lower than 60? No, but got closer than the gin rewind will show because there's a non-genible score that was one shot short of that just last week.

According to the course architect, you did shoot 65. Yeah. So it was at a hoopy match club, which you're not supposed to track. And there there was like two. You can put yourself in legal hot water for even keeping score out there. I know. I didn't keep score. That's why there's controversy about what the score was.

But there was like two. It was like I shot 65 when he came in. It was like some sick, two six to eight footers like that didn't matter that were scooped. And I'm only counting that I would have made one of them. If I'd have made them both, it would have been 65. But,

you know, but not 64. Not 64. It's a bit of a simulated now. We can move on. There was. It buried the lead there on us. Way closer than I thought because that's that I still can't believe that

rounded Bonnie do. what was your what was your second lowest 68 was it odd at pvic yes yeah that was a very fun day after a year of struggle it was like a final like breakthrough and i've also uh neil has shared his performance coach john shram with me who has made a difference in some of these uh some of these moments his big thing for me was to like i'm a spark golfer like i need like if i have a i can be playing very poorly and if i i can be found it guy pretty darn quick and he just was like when you find the spark moment like write it down write it down either in that moment or after the round like what sparked you like what what actually was it uh and it was a quick little like hip feel and it has made a difference oh hmm i feel like that was like redacted or something and we'll leave the episode right i'm gonna share a secret he cut out just in a tough time there come back next week fucking why find the paywall what was the spark by the paywall it was a hip i got

get that because of like my back stiffness i sway like i sway on the way back instead of turn like i just got to focus on like turning the hip which shouldn't hurt my back i just got to trust that and just actually getting into my right hip on the way back like helps me rotate my hips through instead of swaying all over the place that's the feel got it i was next on the list here i shot 73 last year i'm pretty sure this was unanimous nose uh from the group that he would not go lower and, you know, great call by the haters. Yeah, honestly a great call by the haters there. I shot 70.

I think Jin Rewind says 75, but that was at Little Marion, Neil, in our 18 whole day. I think that's like a par 66 or something like that. 76, I think, was my real low score of the year at my home course. So not 72, but we're coming for that one next year. So look alive. Neil, your low of 2024 was 17. Did you go lower than 72? I did 69.

First time in the 60s. Wow. Real. Yeah. Hell yeah. Nice. What's our count on underpar rounds that you've had in your life now? Two, three now. Three.

So PVIC here at, so the third one's a little bit. I'll ask you guys what you think. If you have to ask, it's probably. Meadow Brooks, but two. No, well, so we were at with with Cody on the Montana video. I shot one under on but it was two separate nine like we played there's 27 holes

and we played the front nine of like the 18 whole course and then we played the old nine which was legit so it was like kind of a it's kind of like the rolling 18 TC oh I had one I had one of it was 18 this year I don't think I don't think people are ready for the rolling 18

so Randy that the way did you play 27 that day no we just played 18 we skipped we didn't play the back nine of the main course but we played like it's a legit old, the old nine holes. Everything's rated. You could enter your score. We played it straight 18 holes.

So we went right from number nine to number one on the old. I don't know why that's a question. Yeah. That's just that count. All right. So yeah, that was a, that was one under par. So that was, so twice this year. My goal was to get under par three times.

So I came up a little short, but I was, I was pretty happy with, uh, I think I had another one over 71 or, uh, potential or one over 72. So some, some, some good scores this year. Yeah, absolutely. You feeling more comfortable down there? Jacques Cousteau? Yeah. Not getting the bends?

No, not getting the bends. No, I don't think I had a ton of, I didn't feel like I had a ton of time below the surface. Just those rounds. Yeah, I need to get my dive hours out. Certified yet. That's a fascinating thing to track. How many holes you played while under par? Not necessarily, you know, you didn't finish there, but I might, I might try to track that next year, Neil.

But TC, in that same round at Poulson, I did make five birdies in a row in your honor. So I buried the, birded the last four of the front nine. And then I buried that the first hole on the, just the old nine. God, the way that last one just lips. Oh, it shouldn't have got in. It was like a so bad. It was a thrill. Looks like a stunt man getting shot off the roof there.

Just like, that was, that was so good. I loved it. Love that, great video over on the YouTube channel. uh randall you famously famously shot 72 at dobson ranch uh at the end to close out 2024 did you go lower than 72 i think this was probably a firm no from the group and i will say that you guys are correct i did not go lower than 72 i didn't realize how close you got well it was a little like you dj my low round just gross was 73 but that was at sedge valley which is a part 68 which was a good round of golf for me that is I did shoot a 75 on a par 70 here in

Denver at Overland Park one of the the city public courses so I had a couple good rounds but nothing is that nothing even approaching service day you're doing or something out there yeah yeah yeah yeah um for the kids god nothing like dots in last year where I was I was one under on the 18th hole and just needed a par. Damn. Yeah, because Randy, it is an interesting concept. A lot of times I feel like I'm flirting with even and then you bounce to 1-0, you know,

you're not, it's not like I'm living under par on the front nine, like holding on, you know what I mean? I don't know. You don't need a club in your hand to live under par. We learned that in 2018. Well said. TC-69. I think I was, I think I was taking the under, I believe.

What happened here? Yeah, I shot 69. Actually, a couple times. I shot 69 at Dobson Ranch, which I wasn't, I didn't really have anything going until we got to the 18th hole. We started on what, five, solidly, six? Yes, five, yeah. And an eagleed 18 and then, and then I think I birdied one and I birdied three. So I was five under on my last five holes.

really good up and down on on four and kind of a shocking one because I really didn't like I knew I had to just I was in the group with everybody that was competing against for the flight and I knew hey like I got to make something special happen and I did and but I normally never put well on slow greens so I made that a point to improve this year because the the greens at Dobson kind of post overseed are pretty like smooth which is just just kind of on the slower side and then I shot we may want to redact that for the purposes of the video dege yeah we can cut that because that was the best round i've ever seen you play period the wind was blown like 25 tc just vaporized the place it was it was so impressive i think i hit 26 fairways in a row uh like it was really

really i was like damn this is high level shit and i'm like chalemay yeah probably should have been lower i got my hand caught in the cookie jar on 16 per usual uh and then i I shot 69, I think, on a course, it's not open yet in Luling. Made like six or seven birdies. So that was fun. But yeah, 69. And you couldn't post your round at the SoFi Center either, unfortunately. Yeah.

And I feel like my lowest round ever is 65 and nothing, nothing approaching that at this point. But getting down on that 68. or, you know, in that 69 to 71 area pretty often now, which is cool. Looking around, around the horn at the rest of the squad, Ben's low of 2024 was 70. I think that was like a universal. I think he shot 59 this year. Yeah, that was a universal. Everybody hammered the under there, and he did hit the under.

He shot 65 this year. Casey was 84 was her previous low. I think everybody hammered the under there. She shot 82. and Cody's was 73. I think everybody hammered the under there and he shot 70 this year.

Cody, where was your 70? Hello, sorry about that. 70 at Dobson Ranch. I think that was round two. You want to, hey, you want to shoot a number? I did that twice. Dobson Ranch being one of them. And even though it didn't really come through

on the Argentina video, I did shoot 70 at the Jockey Club. I just had T.C. and Wolfie just you know, pimp walking all over me because we're playing a tussom match. Was that when Wolfie almost passed out? Did get his Coca-Cola and his hot dog?

We also burned it all four of the par threes that day. He almost made that ace that got like six feet off the ground. That's a good video. That's a good video too. Go watch that video if you have. I also want to shout out Ben. Ben won his club championship, I believe. We almost won the Grands Club Client.

Yeah. He won the couples club championship. G. Yeah, I think he only maybe lost the match play. So, listen, all of that begs the, the, you know, the big central question of the day, will they go lower in 2026? Back to the top of the order, Sali, 68. I think yes. I think my guy's sparking.

I think there's sparks flying all over the flint. He's got some new flints. Yes. The air got to it. I think 100% book it lower than 68. I'll say yes on that too based off what happened last Thursday which was just like

dude there's something still in there you just got to get out of your own way and embrace it when it happens anybody else want to get on the record I well I want to ask Sally you know on Randy's spotlight you said your best golf is not ahead of you do you still feel that way

yeah for sure I was that stop that dude I fucking touch the sun like I played I will never be as good as when I played 140 times in 2020. Like, that's just never going to happen again. What was your handicapped then? Plus 2.6 was the

lowest I ever got. Okay. All right. I think I think you'll get back there. I believe in you. I think I can, I can, I can get back to plus two. I, I think it's like a reasonable goal. I think it would just, that's not the point six. I think there's a decent gap there.

Like, I, I, yeah, I can, that's the difference in shooting like 67 and shooting like 60s. I don't know, man. The spark start jumping. You might get that extra point six. Yeah, I think it's still going to come on like the up, like one up tease, you know? I just don't, I'm not like going back.

I'm not a backtie bandit anymore. No 66 from the backtees. Like that's, whoa. Just breaking across the wire. God, you got to put that shit to the agenda, man. I'll, I'll, I'll dig on. What is everybody saying? It's all he's going to go lower.

It would be unanimous. You got to break it up. I'll take the other way. There you. Fuck you, Randy. That's all he doesn't want to say. Yeah. Fuck you, Randy.

The bottom of the knife. Break up the no-hitter. Yeah. Oh, that is good. That's all the motivation I needed. It's like one of those trolls that. Oh, Randy's like the ump. Remember the guy that ruined the perfect game for that guy?

Exactly. Like Jim Joyce. Yeah. He felt bad about that. Jim Joyce. Yeah, he owned it. Randy doesn't feel bad. Uh, okay.

Uh, I told you mine was 75. you know I'm going under that you guys you know bet against me at your own no you're going under the thumbs down was you're going under that oh thank you you're going below that yeah yeah you are on a good like you said tail of two two halves this year you feel good with the driver right now like you ended the year in a good place with the driver better for sure definitely better yeah is that what you I think you can go lower thought of me dege when I put thumbs down immediately to that round you're just like oh yeah he's going out of it I mean, that's like the universal, like, boo, this guy. No, I knew what you about. I'm just trying to do good podcasting, man. Okay. We're trying to get some, we got too much conflict for these other teams.

I think, yes, I think you're going to 73 or 74 for sure. All right. Thanks, man. I'm going under. What do you think, ready, bitch? No, I said lower. If you feel good about your driver, then I feel good about you breaking 75. Sounds like unless you want to break it up, TC.

No, I'm going under for sure. Oh, thanks, man. Thanks, guys. All right. Uh, Neil, 69. No way. Oh. I think, yes.

I think Neil moving out of the city is going to be a huge boon to his golf game. I think so, too. Are you going to join a prestigious club? I don't know about prestigious, but we're, we're looking at some literature out here. Some brochures. Yeah, you know, we're thinking about it. A little year-head tax right on. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. But definitely hoping to play more golf. 36 rounds log is not enough for I need to get out there more I'm taking the under here Neil I think you have 68 in you I do too Dege

That's I mean My man's gonna I said it right away as a bit No I know but at 68's That's low It's it's uncomfy That's he would heady territory The boy might get the bends

If he joins back up If he joins a club he's got a practice facility He starts getting in the pool Logging some more hours you know, feeling more comfortable with the equipment? I think he, I think he gets certified. I am a little stressed out, like, obviously I don't want to bet against myself,

but I got a newborn. I almost feel like 20, are we building towards a big 27? You know, and watching, you know, there's just, you kind of black out there for three or four months. And it's like,

I just don't know. You might just have to put it on the shelf for, not all year, but like, does that set you up to like shoot your lowest round ever? I don't know. I want to add here. I think Neil is a completely different type of player.

Sally mentioned it earlier is for some reason Neil has this ability to not practice or play and it's just still there. I think that bodes very, very well for you beating 69. And my question here, Neil, would you rather beat that 69 or have your 78.2 scoring average go down? Which one is a higher priority for you? Great question. Good question. That's a great question.

it's kind of a why do you play question yeah i know i think i'd probably like to shoot the lower round next year i think that'd be more fun and also i'd take it a step farther i really got a lot i put in my my newsletter g and t i got a lot of juice out of shooting like i shot one over in two different tournaments like mGA events and so to be able to you know when you put a date on the calendar you're like i got to go play you know july 22nd i got to go bring it at some course in long island that i've never seen before and you go out and shoot you want to like that's i think that's like becoming what good golf is more so than like oh i always shoot in the 70s it's like no can you summon it when you got to have it specific in a tournament

round can you build towards a tournament date and then go out and perform that feels a lot more like you know growing up like organized sports and stuff uh like games and stuff so i i think to answer that question i definitely think it's like the lower score i love it i i feel was under 70 i would like i think you will shoot a 69 this year I think 68 if we're talking 4 under on a par 72 it's just a big ask like that's a that's yeah I think you can I think you can like oh no it's like a 70 like a 71 like I think you can shoot three under quite easy I'm like very confident like four is like it's tough if you've tried to do it substantial substantial yeah it's I think there's a little little gap there I'm not saying you can't do it I'm saying it's an easy it'd be an easy below 70 you don't have to couch it just say no brother come on Neil, I'll start with you. You weren't going to play in the winter really anyway and it'll be like three, four.

I'll say yes, Neil. I believe in you. I think you, I think you've got really, really solid game that you've not fully scratched the potential. I think Neil's going to play more in the winter than we think he is too. Some trips planned and some.

Yeah. Stay loose. Keep the rust off. I got to get back into some workout stuff. Randy, we might have to hit a 10 strain in January, brother. Wow. might be a tough one for me, but I wish you will. A little pre-baby 10-strain.

Well, depending on when, you know, I'll be in until the, if the baby comes, you know, week or too early, it's, it's going to, it's going to be tough. Neil, I will, I'll start with you. Randy's number is 73. Uh, no chance new father. No chance. Look down. Look down.

I was like, are you slowly slipping into lay miss there? What was it? that we were riffing up. Just standing in your grave. Sorry, I think 73. I would put it at 75. That was my low on a par 7 a year or more.

I guess that's fair. I don't know. All right. Neil, 75. Is that change anything? It does. It does. 73 felt like it was just not.

I didn't think that's going to happen. 75. I think you could shoot 75. I don't think you'll shoot 74. Sorry. I'd just be an honest with you. that's i i understand it doesn't you know i i usually don't think i will either neal or it could be the great reset for randy and he comes out like total honeymoon phase and back half of the year plays

great that's kind of where i'm at i think a lot of what we've been saying about neal you know like doesn't get rusty can hop out of bed and and shoot a good score i think that's randy too i think randy can go months without playing and and be pretty much the same guy that's a good as a compliment or better or worse yeah uh i don't i'll say i I have, why not? You know, maybe we go do a strapped and you catch some muny on the right day, shoot 74. I think you could, I think you could do that. Sparks flying all over the place.

I'm in on that. I'll do a revenge. No, I don't think you're doing it. Just because it was hating on. We can have a haters series this year, Randy. That's good. That's good. I'm going to feel spot on.

It kind of feels spot on. Like, I think you can shoot 75 this year. Yes. I'm in that field. Now, I will say this about the Denver City course. are all par 70 and they're all on the right day they are getable.

I mean, if you make a few puts, like there's not Overland Park, city park, Willis case. Do you play any of these places? That's what I was going to say. Good for us. Grady top 100, Randy's not playing any of them.

No, I mean, maybe I'll see one twice. Yeah. You know how hard PV is? You're not going to shoot 74 out there. Yeah, you know, go out to the, the, uh,

common ground for a little Evan Scholar's event but otherwise he's not guys we're bearing the lead here all we got to do is make sure Randy gets back to Arizona in November he loves Dobson

that's his lowest recorded and it's hard when you got a kid coming but there's 12 months to work with I think as long as we get to the fall Randy you're going to be in an awesome spot to beat it thank you Cody Cody you and I are you and I are splitting up this skins money

you know pretty well i think when that one hits i like it i think too i honestly think this is going to be one of my goals if i can get into title list hear me if i can get into a broomstick putter i think i can i think that will help uncle scottie roll the garage up for me i'm coming through that's right maybe you should make your own prototype i might i might tinker in the garage this way i think that'd be that'd be interesting uh sent tito out Get Randy wearing like a welding mask. You're talking about... Yeah, you want to talk about this.

If Randy starts anchoring? That'd be good. Yeah, what if you shoot that before, but you're anchoring? All good questions. TC 69. Are we going to break this deadlock at 69? Yes. I think so.

Oh, I feel like I've said yes for everybody, but I'm going to say yes for this one too. I thought, I'll say yes here because I thought TC was going to run out of gas towards the end of this year and he just, He just simply hasn't. And so I think he sees here to stay. I'm going to say he gets to 68. I'm going to say yes, too. I mean, he's playing some of the best golf of his life.

And if we commit to fitness in 26, I mean, I think this is a comfortable under. Andy told me he's going to start stacking, which I don't think he's going to. But I think he, that still have to leave that door open that he might and go even lower. Build that into the models. How unanimous, T.C. Congratulations. Thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah, Neil, I was thinking the same thing.

I thought I was just going to go away at some point. Like, I had a big swoon there in like late May, early June, just some, some dark times. I think I was struggling to break 90 at Shinnock one day. I mean, just bleak. And then I was like, no, this is who you are. You are a good player. I don't think anybody's saying a bleak day at the cock. A bleak day at Shinnock, which could.

break 90. I played really well in my year. Don Drew on the floor, too. All right. The other three, Ben 65. It's Ben having 65 is low. I think Ben shoots 63 this year. I think he's capable.

It's just, I don't know. You can't pull over anymore. 65 is heady. You know, guys a free diver, man. Here's what I want. I want this one to hit because I want to say yes to everybody.

That would be a fun, a fun place to get to next year we get to this pot and everybody's done it that's a big ask for Ben though 64 is I think he can do it I think he can do it I think he can't do it

I don't think he's going to though and I hate I hate that I'm putting that in the world but if you're asking me you know where am I putting the shekels I just don't think it's going to be under 65 yeah I don't agree I don't think they're there Neil I don't think we're going to be like Dobson's got to be where it happens

and you know you get three shots at it and maybe we don't get as good course conditions next year and it's not playing as easy like it's just a it's a big big low number that was the lowest I think he'd ever shot he said and he plays a really hard home court like his home rounds he has no shot at doing that right like you're getting no it's got to be traveling then uh where did he shoot 65 dobson dobson okay I'm going to say no I believe in his talent I think he's going to like still be at least a plus three. But that's just freaky low. I can see him going to Gamble Sands and shooting like 54.

That's what I mean. I think, yeah, Mammoth Dunes, something like that. I think he might need to take some of this personally, you know, use some frequent flyer miles, go make one of these happen.

Just camp out at one of these places. I think that'd be great. Casey 82. I think Casey goes lower. I think Casey breaks 80 this year. I do. I'm going to go. She plays.

Yeah, yeah. I think that's a good call. A volume game. She gets to know those courses out there. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And the other one, I hope this is unanimous.

Yes. Cody. Yeah. Cody's number 70. I think Cody gets into the 60s. Cody, you're talking a big, big game on that podcast. I just, I feel like, I think you're going to go back it up. Thank you. Latin America tour alum.

He better go out shooting the 60s. I think Cody shoots in the 60s at least four times. Four times. Thanks. In a row. I think at least 65 times in a row more often. No,

Cody, I truly mean that. I think in the 60s. Thank you. It's got to work on those short putts, guys. Anything's possible. Is that back?

No, my back's fine. Oh, you're talking about my, no, is that back, though, the putting.

For sure. I will say this. And I mentioned it a little bit on the spotlight that came out. I do, I'm holding a course record right now. Granted, it was the first thing.

that it was open for all 18 holes, but the new course in East Texas here got the scoring record under my belt, so I'm excited about that. Guys, I think there's a lot that we're not thinking of right now. Everybody's thinking, you know, kids along the way and not being able to play a lot of golf, the majority of these low scores are coming

either on multi-day trips or multi-day tournaments that we have. And 2026 is a big year for that. You know, we're starting out hot and, heavy there will be low scores in january when we go down south for for everybody that's there uh 2026 is going to be a big year of travel overseas i just think we're selling everybody a little bit short here my counter that like none of these best rounds are almost ever on camera like it that's just not the easiest time to shoot your shirt you best did anyone have their lowest round be on camera one of my lowest rounds no on camera

Yeah, I had an under par one on camera. My lowest round ever was during a tournament. That's true. My lowest round of the year was on camera at Jockey Club. Now granted, only like four of Cody's shots. Wolfie took up the majority of the spotlight there, but-time. It is. That's a great call-out.

And that's why I think T.C.'s competitive 70 that he had at, at Dobson was so good, man. Competitive, I think, is different than playing on camera. Like, I think it's a different, just a different rhythm. It's just tough. Cody, you were talking, you're talking travel. You're talking kind of, you know, getting out, getting on a plan. I kind of thought you were going a different direction, which is a little note from our friends at East Sands. T.C., who is East Sands?

Yeah, East Sands. Been talking to Nick and Haley for, God, the better part of a year now, Canadian couple, they live in Vancouver and just started figuring out, hey, what can a, what can a partnership look like with NLU? We didn't want to white label anything. We are not trip planners for others. We wanted to kind of go to the pros. We shouldn't mention they're a trip planning company. Yeah. So Nick and Haley, East Sands Golf Company, they were planning to go to Scotland after they got married.

And the day that they were leaving, Nick got laid off from his tech job out of Vancouver. So it's like, you know what? We're just going to stay over like six months. I'm going to caddy at St. Andrews. And they played all over the place. And when they got home, they said, basically, hey, we want to, we want to do this for a living. We want to start a company, help others kind of have similar experiences. So they played all over the place in the UK and Ireland.

And, you know, they've, they're both like really good players, proper players. And I believe Haley played in college as well. So, but they like architecture. They like what we like, I think is probably the most refreshing part about it is like. Like, they like the, the broras and the, and the Golspeys and the killspindies of the world, not just the Randy's Royal County Downs or Portrushes or Dornix, you know? So, but yeah, they're, they're kind of, they'll meet you where you're at as far as, if you want to do the gold-plated, you know, five-star hotels, trip and play all the bucket list

back tag berry courses, like nothing wrong with that. they can set all that up or they can set up the you know the hey we're going to we're going to drive ourselves and check ourselves into our own hotels and book that stuff and they'll just book the golf they'll do that too so uh very much a you know kind of wide range of outcomes wide range of spectrums for your trip and uh yeah just stoked they do england ireland Northern Ireland, Scotland, the Netherlands, Australia, you know, mainland Europe, like we said. I think they had a trip to the F1 race in Amsterdam last year. I believe they're doing a Walker Cup trip for next year to the Southwest Ireland area.

So just two passionate people that we've been approached a lot about partnering with travel companies and we've never done it. I think 11 years into this thing, we've finally found. one that we felt, felt great about, about, you know, joining up with. So, East Sandsgolf.co slash NLU, that's East Sandsgolf.com slash NLU. And pretty substantial kind of call to action here. First 20 people to book through the NLU East Sands Golf Company partnership, save 10% off their trip. And that can be combined with a Nest member discount.

Nest members will save $500, $500, $500 per person off any trip. Repeat uses are allowed as well. So you can combine that 10% with $500 per person off the trip. That's not on the total cost of the trip. That is per person. So eastsandsgolf.com. slash NLU and go plan something with Nick and Haley. They are awesome.

They make me like golf every time I get off the call with them. I feel like going and playing and finding somewhere new. So very, very pumped about, uh, about that partnership, but a couple more things, guys, and we'll wrap it up, uh, TC, I love this question, uh, you put in the agenda. What is, what's one thing you're, you're, you're going to vow today to either start or stop doing in 2026, T.C. I think you should kick it off. Uh, well, I mean, we've got to say, just make more, make five birdies in a row more often. Uh, got to, got to start there.

Sure. um guys i i'm going to stop flubbing chips like i just just got a i think i've made progress here in the last three or four months uh but it's it's very band-aity very you know i'm just kind of putting it way back in my stance closing the face and and just kind of trapping it um limiting my upside a little bit

but i'm i'm going to stop flubbing chips it's uh it's it's gotten bad we got to rethink our whole business model if that happens, but I appreciate the thought. Solly, what do you got? Bruelly, I'm not. T.C., real quick. I don't want it to beat you up like that. How are you going to go about doing this?

Because we've seen you get shipping lessons from a lot of different people. No, I don't know. Like, I don't want people to reach out and. Tron at no lag up.com. That's one of the issues. If you see something, say something. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know what we're going to do.

And T.C., we got a line to mayo. We got the chef. I mean, You don't want to put yourself in the middle of that war. Believe me. The two of them are going at it. If anyone can bring those. If anyone can bring those two together, I think, I think it's TC.

God, the chef laid hands on pie man this summer. That's fantastic. Yeah, big, big fan of the chef. Yeah, I don't know. And it's, I was so good this year of being really, really nice to myself, too. Like, I just, I never really got down on myself. I never really got, like, I played, played golf very positively and optimistically. And that was really tough in certain spots.

Like, Sally, this, this past week, when I, when I hit two great shots on the third hole at San Ysidro and I was green side there, staring, staring a, you know, a birdie right in the face. And I just, guys, I literally, I scold one out of bounds. He didn't finish the hole. That's a tournament, T.C. Scored a bunker shot out of bounds to lose the match in the Long Island there. I'm sorry. Smell you. It went like, you know, 40 yards over this green down this hillside into this neighbor.

hood demoralize it well we wish you all the best with that tc i hope you get that cleaned up you had it though i think you were just like talking about how you had it like two weeks ago i was i know it's fleeting though i just that sounds like you sally i found i found it i thought dr rose had it the the big thing is feel like you're moving up you know just feel like you're moving up yeah i know one part in my opposites man the biggest secret to like my ball striking and just my game generally to eat a green is it's all about shaft lean for me and getting my hands forward like a head of you know ahead of the ball and in getting the shaft leaning towards the target a little bit otherwise um you know when i'm when i'm kind of neutral or even a little bit

behind it that's when all the bad stuff happens so i've gotten much much better at this year and i think i can apply that more to my chipping i think it's possible you just won't miss any greens in 2026 that that's part of the equation like might be the best the best the best best chance. Your irons are getting so good. Maybe just try to not miss any greets. And my bunker play remains like world class. Blocky over here. TC, the one time

that TC tried to go practice, I felt so bad for him. He went and took the boys out and tried to go practice his short game earlier, like late summer early fall. I've done it a half a dozen times this fall with Freddie especially. But you had to match the next day and you took all your wedges

out of your golf bag and then the next day you showed up to go play that match and you didn't have any of the clubs that you needed there it was the club championship i didn't have that's a fun challenge though tc like how do i how do i get well i was in a green side bunker on the second hole like you know drove the green green sign bunker on the second hole on on the lagoon course which is like 5800 yards and my lowest wedge was a 48 that's tough didn't go well that's a tough way to play make plays get paid it's like good thing you're one of the foremost bunker players. Actually got up and down on that one.

Of course. Like Sevy. We got up and down with a four-air. Solly, what are you got? What are you going to start doing or stop doing? I'm going to start tracking stuff, man. I'm going to be able to like track the individual components of my game and look at the data in its face.

And it's going to like look back at me and tell me what I am. All right. I'm telling myself, I'm great at this distance. I might not be, man. I'm not afraid anymore. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I drive it totally fine. No, you don't. You don't drive it like, you drive it like a eight handicap is what the data is telling me at times. So like, no, legitimately. Like that's what I did introduce some C4 to his game, though. I did make a hazel adjustment and went for explosive C4. But no, we're going to, we're going to be able to like. Definitely say what you are and the individual components. I haven't liked what's telling me so far. But I'm going to track it and be able to have. some answers on this pod next year i love it rainy well one that i wasn't planning before this

episode was uh it's going to be tough to track but it would be fun to know how many golf holes i play under par while under par um that is i'll throw that like i really i don't know if i can vow to do this but i really do want a broomstick putter i would love to start broomsticking in 2026 um so i'm going to have to get with our tidalist folks see if they can help make that happen for me but I've long wanted to do that and so maybe 2026 will be the year you and stew hagestad honestly spending time with stew is is really what cemented it for me and him talking about like the broomstick just making putting more enjoyable it like resonated with me like putting is so uncomfortable for me because I'm like one I can't practice because my back just starts hurting you know

like I'm bent over like nothing about it. it is really comfortable for me. And so I guess the hope is, if I can get in a broomstick, it might flip that paradigm and be like, oh, putting's like really fun. I still think about that time that we were playing around on the putting green at the CME on Naples with the broomstick putter. Annie Park, I believe, had the broomstick.

Yeah, I know. They're fun. Yeah, I'm going to try to make that happen. So we'll see. something about that video we do with Michelle we where Randy was doing the tabletop pudding I think you should be kicking your hands on a proof stick maybe go back to that I'll go next I I'm going to stop being a wimp on the tea I'm going to stop being afraid of the tea ball I think that's where all of my bad stuff

comes from you know the swing is is what it is of course but the a lot like I know if it's going to be a good one or bad one before I pull the trigger and I got to just get in a better headspace on the tee box because when I am in that headspace, I'm, like, a pretty good golfer. And if I can keep it in front of me, I can, I can do some stuff. But as soon as I get behind the eight ball on that, it just is not fun, not fun. You're going to start surprising the golf ball? I might.

Sucker punch it. I might. Beer bottle of the bag of the head. Yeah. Come on. Get hostile. Don't talk to her. Yeah.

What'd you say? Yeah. That's what I want your attitude to be on the team. What fuck did you say? I'm going to write that down. Hopefully you, hopefully you, hopefully you, recognize this one, Dege, but when you, when we get out and play golf and you commit and you're like, I'm, guys, the drive set, I'm hitting draws today. And I'm like, I don't know. I feel

the same way when Sully tells me, he's like, the fades back. I'm hitting fades. I'm like, yeah, yeah. No, I don't care. I don't care which way it goes. That's kind of the thing. I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be precious about it. I just need to be committed to it. Yeah, I just got to hit it hard and not kind of like hit the fade away jumper is kind of like how my driver gets to be sometimes and it just it doesn't go well and that's where I mean that is

just I don't need to track the stats for that like that's where the strokes go mindset yeah it is and so there's just no playing golf balls when you show up to the course like oh that guy doesn't fuck around there's just there's no he might hit me there's no playing a one you just hit 180 yards duck hook left like you can't

there's no recovering from that shot no it's it's completely completely demoralize it. Yeah. So I just, I got to, I got to hit it hard and keep it in the corridor.

And I think we'll figure out the rest from there. That's, that's what I vow to you guys. We're not going to be afraid anymore. Neil, what are you going? All right.

I'm going to take a different direction. I think over the last couple years, two, three years, I've gotten a lot better at not early calling. So I've put a stop. And for the most part to that. And when I do do it,

I'm immediately like, I early called that, like I panned up. So that's a bad habit. Another bad habit we're going to stop doing is crowding. I have a bad habit of crowding people on the T-box Like you know getting in there Somebody tees off and I'm like right up in their shit

Like if somebody tell you this No I just feel it I'm like dude back off why you up in this guy's grill Like I'm just like ready to watch out If you and I are the same tee box with these two Mentalities I know I know I just want to make sure I I give like you know The right of way to people that are teeing off

You know when people like watching their ball land or whatever And I'm like stepping into T-Mine up Sometimes I feel like I'm in the way too often I want to stop doing that. Man, these are very... It's not as bad as that guy, Sali, from the... NCWRsums.

Oh, to that guy, too. Florida. Forcums, yeah. I mean, that guy was up in our grills, you know, with his teeth. Like, yo, man, I'm not even... I haven't even finished my follow-through. But I'm trending that way, and I want to stop it.

So that's what I'm going to do. Neil, if I may, sure. I think it would be a hell of a lot more interesting if you flipped that. And at least in terms of it, tournament setting, vowed to start trying to crowd people. Well, some of it, Randy, comes from, I just have, it's always on my mind.

I don't want to be a slow player, especially in these tournaments. So I think I'm always like, if I'm not, if I don't have the honor, I'm like ready to play. You know, I got like ball tea ready to go. And so sometimes I'm like, I'm kind of like, you know, maybe hurry in the like, yo, get out of the way, man. I want to tee it up. But I don't think that's, that's great form sometimes. I will agree to disagree there, Chief.

All right, maybe talk me off it. I love it. Maybe I'll just, I think that's very, I'll, I mean, I think a good goal is like there was one time. And I'm more talking like tournament settings or, or I guess, competitive. But it's like, I need somebody at least once this year to be like, yo, Neil, you got to back off, man. That would be a KPI, I think. Did anybody tell you to back off? If you're really trying to win.

out there. Yeah, how many times did somebody tell you to back up? You could have done more otherwise. I'm just saying,

think about it. Yeah. I'm just saying think about it. Could be good for content. You're right. Gosh. Cody, you got one?

I need to figure out this putting situation. And part of it. Does that start figuring out the putting situation or still missing short putting? It's, I am,

I am comfortable with my short putting. I think what it is is that through talking to my friend, Neil. I do have a performance issue that I have going on. To do close to you while you're trying to play. It's not on the greens. I don't get in people's way on the greens. It's just on the T-box. I have a performance issue with playing on camera.

I'm not comfortable. I'm thinking about it. There will be more content that comes out later in this year that highlights this. And it's something that I need to fix. And I have a plan of action. So I'm going to start addressing that issue through my own way. Are you going to start just filming yourself all the time? I am. Look out.

You got a live stream. Subscribe to a new channel. What's up chat? Oh, yeah. Who wants to be going to have like a GoPro. The real house size of Midlothian. Wait, do you see some of these rigs we had in Guatemala to film. Docs in my fucking hometown T.C.

That's sweet. Oh, you said that before. That's good. All right. Well, I wish you all the bad. Can I add one more goal just in general for 2026? I'm getting the fuck away from Xfinity because this has been the most

nightmarish recording experience I've ever had in my life and I hate this company so much I hate them so much I can actually change everything man they don't I'm not in this neighborhood gotta get some fiber out here

God damn it All right last last couple things if you have one for these shout it out if you don't no big deal TC I was kind of thinking about you with this one

but any trends you played a shitload of golf you saw a shitload of places you know any trends you're seeing in the game of golf for better or worse the game um architecture or just things you've noticed it's okay if you don't have one i just thought that's a you know wanted to ask me like super high level stuff i was pretty bummed i didn't get to scotland this year um i i i am noticing the biggest trend that i'm seeing is neil just doke is in neal's head and not just doke all of doke's associates no that's not true at all i just

I just am not going to universally praise every course that he builds because it's Tom Doke. I feel like that's very fair. I think the north course of Tier I is good. I don't think the seventh hole is even is even in the top five like worst holes in that course.

It wasn't the seventh hole, it's the 11th hole. You said the 7th hole earlier. I said the 11th hole, par 5. Honestly, who could say guys? We'll take that offline. I thought 11 was good. I would say, let's see, other trends. I don't know, hopefully we

see some more of these guys like some more of these i hesitate to call them second tier but like the guys that aren't hansdok core krenshaw keep getting interesting cracks whether you know whether that's ocm de vries king collins dormer um who did the the the most recent course or the the new course out of rodeo dunes um i'm trying to think it was a shaper for them but you know Brian Schneider Blake Conant, you know, Yeagerkovich, all, you know, all these people. Just hopefully the next, next cycle of guys gets their opportunity, even if the economy and, you know, investment slows down here as golf is,

it's not oversaturated, but there's a lot of new stuff out there. There's a lot of, you know, national private clubs popping up here in the States. A lot of destination golf, a lot of. Well, it's either resorts or it's, you know, rich guy playground. Yeah. And so I would say a trend that needs to start happening is we probably need to start rethinking some of the land already allocated for courses and, you know, more densely populated areas.

And can we turn those into a different type of golf course, nine to 12 whole course, a short course, can we add lights? Can we make them, you know, financially stable so they don't get turned into apartments? I don't think enough thoughts going into that from even at the top end of the game. But like the park, you guys raving about the park is a good example. Golden Gate par three out in San Francisco is an example. I think Dobson's an example of that. Yeah, I totally agree.

I think that that of like quit, quit treating municipal golf as an anchor and treat it as an opportunity. Attack the municipal golf. Attack the. I think so. I think there's a huge opportunity there. And I think part of that is there's some olds out there that are holding the game back. Some people that don't want their course to change, that they don't want, you know, hey we're first off here every day

I like the status quo well you know what man there's a lot games a lot bigger than just just you and your for some that you know your little biker gang sure I am surprised to see TC as you continue to go down that route that

we're a pretty good ways post the COVID boom still and golf is so popular and rounds at public courses are sold out everywhere that we haven't seen more municipal run courses invest in their grounds and make improvements.

And I know there's little pockets, I think, in Texas, like Houston, obviously has done that with Memorial and Griffin. But, you know, you would think that you would see that more across the states once people realized how much, you know, how popular. And you can make money off of golf. Well, you can, if you put the model still a little broken for those. They're not, the only way they're thinking about like making more money is like raising the price, you know, the how much the T.

time cost. And it's like that's, you got to make money on the driving range. You got to make money. You got to have like, set of 18 bad holes have 12 good ones in a short course and and find more ways to make it financially viable other than because what happens is if it, if it does it, if it gets less popular or something bad happens and those rounds fall off, then you're back where you started. I also think I just don't think there's any creativity in the business model of golf right now. I agree with that. And I think what that leads to is like needing a like a force of change to to kind of come in as a like almost the private public, like public-private partnership type of vibe

where you look at like what the Kaiser's did with the course in Madison, right? And taking that from like everything that we're talking about, it's really hard, I think, for a city manager or someone who's not living, breathing golf all the time every day to probably see the forest for the trees a little bit. Well, one thing. So I think the more of those people, you know,

and it doesn't have to be as big as like the Kaiser's, but the more you can kind of affect, I mean, Jack's Beach is a great example, I think, of a couple passionate people going and looking at what this place could be. If you spit shine a little bit, that didn't get turned into a world golf destination, but they spit shined to the stuff that needed to be spit shined

and kind of got a lot of the stuff in line. And I think that's the kind of thing you need, but you need like, it isn't going to all come top down, right? Like you need, that needs to, there needs to be some visionaries, local visionaries, I think, working on making those things happen. I think I don't want it to be a charity thing, though.

No, no, no, totally. Any offense to, like, the park, right? But you don't want it to be just like, okay, we're going to, you know, one for us over here in this remote exotic destination and then like, oh, yeah, we'll redo, you know, the park or whatever. I think the governing bodies could have a hand in this of like there should be like our friends at the USGA, like a par three championship. Like make short course golf like, I don't know, stamp it. Be like, this is official golf as well. And because I agree with you that like the city managers are like, well, we can't make a short course.

That's not real golf. And it's like, well, it kind of could be, you know, like a different form of it, I guess. Making it more formalized in that way. Jack's Beach isn't even like like the range there, Prince Money. It's not even like a nice range. People just want to play golf or like Jack's Beach could go so much farther with the food and beverage and the putting green and all that stuff. Like, there's still so much meat on the bone there. And, like, Sally, that was why Great Dunes blow me away so much because that's state government, too.

That's like the state of Georgia that got out of their own way and did something thoughtful and future forward and creative. Like, man, that gives me hope too. Yeah. I just look at these municipal courses. They're all on like, most of them are in like Primo land. you almost think about it the way people like scooped up all the you know shitty beach houses in neptune beach and just like no the land's great knock that shit down and build something dope man like it's it's uh i'd like to see some energy into that yeah you guys uh talked about like local government helping it and we talked about at the local community level tc mentioned the state level uh there is like a big bit of news this week on the federal level and that's everything that national links trust has has done for amazing properties in the D.C. area and now new news that's going kind of against that. And I would say probably against what they had in mind what the future of those properties could be.

And I know there's a lot more that you could pull out from there. But I would like to like when you find people who are passionate and are doing the right things, supporting the community, supporting the property and trying to do everything to level it up, there should be less bureaucracy and like this heavy hand as somebody else just trying to ring everything out of it and uh you know a lot more to get into on that issue later on but it just stinks yeah yeah that's a you know i think they said what they're in breach of their their lease but they haven't told them why or how to not be in breach of their lease yeah um and then rumors that yeah Trump wants to bring in the FOS

to redo these places instead of Doak and Hans. So, more to come. I think it's deserving of a wider conversation probably in the next week or two on one of our pods. Last question I had, I think there's always one of my favorites as well.

Favorite playing partner in 2025. Randy, I'll start with you. I mean, can I do some honorable shoutouts? No. Please. Neil? Yes, please.

Okay. Well, Neil's not one of my favorite playing partners. I will say, Cody, you know what a round that sticks out to me? You and I got to play with Ian, Mr. Ian Walker at Pannard. And just the joy he had in his home golf course and wanting to share that with us, that really is one that's going to stick out with me. Truly, anytime I get to play with, like, Mr. Push or. or good bar. Those guys are great playing partners.

But for me, I mentioned him earlier. Such a treat. Got to walk 18 with Michael Bamberger. Just picking his mind, talking about, honestly, a lot of stuff that had nothing to do with golf is a true highlight. And just one quick story from that round that I think encapsulates Michael. If you've ever been to Marion West, Neil, you have, so you might know. the 10th T and the 13th T are pretty close to each other.

And Michael, for some reason, we got off nine and we went to 13 and we played 13 and then we quickly realized like, oh, I think we've, you know, we've messed something up here. And Michael being Michael, you know, we could have just walked back the length of the hole. We could have done a lot of things. What he chose to do was he pulled out his phone and literally started calling like every single person in his phone to ask, hey, where is the 10th T? How did I mess this up? You know, we were trying to call Gil Hans at one point. We're like calling all these

luminaries of Philadelphia Golf. Like truly, uh, couldn't get a hole at anybody. Finally, this cart kid is driving by. I holler at him. He gives us a ride back to back to 10T. But just kind of the absurdity and you never quite know where anything's going to go with Michael Bamberger. That, that is a real highlight. And I would nominate. him for my favorite playing partner this year. I love it. I, uh, I'll go next because my, you know, another, another person embraces the absurdity, uh, a lot of honorable mentions, you know, as well, had a great golfing year as, as I mentioned. But I'm going to give the award to our guy, Patty Neal in, in Northern Ireland.

I was worried you were going to maybe step on it, Randy, but it's, uh, the hardest I laughed on the golf course this year by far. Every time he says anything, it just makes me chuckle. makes me think, makes me just, I just, I don't know, the best, the best guy to spend four hours with, because you never know what's, what's coming next. Uh, I mentioned that very short part three, when he, when he looked down and was worried he was going to hit himself in the forehead with the 64 degree wedge. This is literally my answer. I don't know.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's how good it was. That's how good it was. Please, if there's anything else. No, that's literally it. It said Patty specifically for the 64 degree wedge at Bond is what I wrote on my, my, my, I mean, it's just the absolute best.

Don't get to see him enough. I would love to cross paths again in 2026. But, Saul, you got yours. Any other honorable mentions or anything? Yeah, Gabby Golf Girl and her dad for sure. Sure. Classic. Is that this year?

That felt like it was like 2005. I know. Stuff like that's like that could have been four years ago. I want to give a shout to AJ Ellis, playing with him in Milwaukee. That's a good one. Getting to like just literally throw. whatever questions you want at a baseball guy for four hours and like him not maybe you wanted to punch me by the end of it but having him not punch you uh in the face with all the questions

you throw out of him was it was great we teamed up it was great and uh and just uh that trip was so much fun i think about that one that one a lot and i got to play with gill last week um which i have done before but that was like several years ago as part of like an auction thing and this was like we got to play and like relax and spend some time together and and just man it was just like just thinking about the impact like gill and jim wagner and their team have had on the game of golf and are going to have on the game of golf over the next like 20 years i asked him like during the round like how long do you want to do this like he's 62 i think now i was like how long do you want to do this he's like i have no end in sight like he he loves it he's like my days on the dozer

might be you know not uh that long into the future but like it's just a a true honor to get to spend some time and uh with somebody that's going to like be a big major like part of the reshape of golf for its future. I think it's something we're going to look back historically on with a lot of gratitude. Solly, you can ask Gil about my world-class Sam play. I finally got to play with Gil as well. Yeah, he was he was blown away.

How about that? TC proof in some of these dudes like. We got to change the sand, guys. We were playing all shot. We left each other in some bad spots. Tron, what do you got? I got just a lot of honorable mentions. I'm not sure if there's a somebody that takes the cake

just because I play with a lot of great people. No award this here. So we'll be given. Sorry with her guy Pipe, Felipe, down in Argentina. He was just such a gentleman and among the most gracious hosts we've ever had on any trip worldwide. And he's become a dear friend

and getting to see him after the Masters as well was a fun, fun surprise. All of our friends down in Australia and New Zealand, you got, Neil, we had the upstate New York trip. I thought we had some great playing partners up there, whether it was the Sunnyside Par 3 or, you know, just hosts at Troy and Glens Falls and Sugarloaf Social Club. So, you know, shout out to all of them.

Friend Charlie up in New York, and then everybody that hosted in the heathlands of London, that was awesome. I think the guy that takes the cake, though, guys, is there's a gentleman I play with at Medina number three, the big dog, Mike, and he was just, I'll flash a picture of his bag, his staff bag, which is themed, the big dog. I went up for Roger Steele invited me up there and Roger and Matt McCarty and I did a did like a roundtable thing that night. But the big dog kind of does this this Thursday thirsty camels outing, similar to the Blue Man thing. But there's like more than 100 guys that play in this thing, play Medina 3 and just had such a good time with with the big dog and with, you know, all the guys up there.

great club i was i was blown away by by madonna number three and i thought it was i'm really excited for for future tournaments there uh notably the president's cup next year so uh so so to the big dog here's to you you might be the big dog if you get on this strength training you know that'd be a good goal for the what if tc started getting on like hg and he just got yoked yeah and then actually cold punch stuff actually two more p p p pd from uh from England, play with him at the NIT. He was awesome. And then Bobby Drummond,

play with him both at Pinehurst and at the NIT. And I've really gotten to know him pretty well this year. And it's been a pleasure. Yeah, congrats to Bobby and his wife. They're their first on the way as well. He's the man. Neil, bring us home.

I've got Cameron Milton up in Poulson, Cody. I just really enjoyed Cameron's company. shout out to the 31,000, but just talking shop with him and infectious good energy, a guy that loves his job and is very good at it. And I just really, really enjoyed our day on the south side of the Flathead Lake. And then the Armor Boys, TA4, I never had a bad day with Tommy Armour. And TA3 is just one of one. You know, not all good, but not all, like just a character, man.

And playing golf with him is, I just get a kick out of it watching like a true professional Lifetime pro touring professional. He's, you know, that's always, it's always memorable with the Armor Boys. So I really enjoyed that in Vegas back in, back in March. Love it. Guys, I think that that ties a bow on 2025 from a golf perspective. Cody, anything else we're missing? No, I just, I want to shout to Sal, guys on at the Roos Club championship.

I just want to a quick shot out there to the guys from Denver that I played with and the guys from Graberin and Ireland in our semi-final match and just the shenanigans that went on there. I don't want to say their names, but truly the best calling experience. The Rocky Mountain Rollers have some characters. I think it's very easy to say he's not going to be listening to this pod. So that's totally fun.

Totally fun. Yeah, another good year in the books, guys, another good one ahead surely in 2026 thanks for reliving it all thanks to titleless thanks to our friends at the usGA download the gin app if you haven't uh already uh and look out for your gin rewind shout out to our friends at the east sands uh golf company as well book your trips through them a lot of good stuff coming there and uh guys this was a blast great chatting with you uh neal and randy hope you guys can patch things up offline we fine we it's all we love each other This strength of our bond is, it can't be broken.

Randy, how many top 100s are you going to cross off in 2026? Now, I was, I was going to throw that out as a trend. Save that. I think we got to do a whole goal. A whole goal episode, I think. That's right. All right, guys. We'll catch everybody next time.

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.