No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1105: LIV News, NLT update, and 2026 Season Kick-Off

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

2026 season kick-off: Brooks out at LIV, Bryson TBD, National Links Trust update, and 2026 predictions. Presented by Titleist. Support our sponsors: Titleist - The #1 Ball in Golf High Noon - Sun's Up! Arccos - NLU15 for 15% off Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first no laying up live show of 2026.

Now brought to you by our friends at Titleist. We'll get to that here shortly. Thank you to those tuning in live. We are five wide tonight. Solly here, joined by Mr. DJ Pi. Hello, Pye, man. Greetings, guys. Happy New Year.

Great to be here. chop it up. Give me a little bit of a golf chop sash tonight. I'm excited for it. The big guys here. Hello, Big Randy. Hi. Yeah. Echo DJ's sentiments. Great to be here. Whole new year. Excited. T.C.

is here. Hello, T.C. Hey, Sally. Just riding high on the back of that eighth straight victory here in Duval. By an average of 19.1 points, I believe, if you want to clarify that. Neil is here as well. Hello, Neil. Fired up. Gentlemen, greetings.

Let's do this. A lot, a lot to talk about. We do not have live golf this week. We're going to catch up on some news and notes from the last couple of weeks. Friday afternoon, like 4.30 news drop right before the holiday. Christmas Eve or the 23rd? Something crazy. Tough timing for our cadence of shows that Brooks Kepka will be leaving LiveGolf.

We're going to talk a little bit about Bryson's current negotiation status with Live. Some very tough news. I think it's fair to say regarding the National Link's. trust. Hopefully you guys got a chance to hear that interview with Mike McCarton before the Christmas break. TGL is kicking off. And on the back half, we've got a bunch of prompts that we're everyone's going to weigh in on as we try to predict what's going to happen this year in golf. Before we do that, shout to our friends at Titleist, the No Layup Live Show and podcast this year is going to be presented by our friends at Titleist. Of course, the number one ball in golf. We're going to go around

the horn quickly. Everyone's going to give a highlight, a favorite shot, favorite moment, a highlight from your year on the course i'm going to kick it off tc the shot that came to mine it's when we're the 18th hole at the tree farm the cut driver into the hill slope that ended up about two feet from the whole on 18 a little driver drivable for uh getting some creativity with the golf ball and that gt three uh was my highlight moment dege yeah i'll say i'll shout out the irons uh you know the whole high pie thing was a joke for you know it still is kind of a joke the highlight of my year i think was solid being like man you do hit it whole high a lot i was like yeah thanks dude was there one shot that no i'm just saying it's just the whole the whole every shot i hit with the irons that's

a lot of shots a lot of shots well not as many as it used to me that's the whole thing big guy guys so many that i could choose from you know that no uh i i was thinking i hit a five iron dead into the wind on the 18 pull at mammoth dunes this year and it was maybe a hundred and 65 yards the wind was blowing and i just hit it so flush went whole high about eight feet like not a better feeling than a shot like that i that's the one that's the can ditties big guy i love yeah tc i'm dead serious here one one moment uh neil saw it it was number seven at terry edie uh thought it thought i thought i made an ace thought i joined the the elusive brotherhood sally it was you know i think it was a it was a little bunty driver a little spinning driver

up straight into the wind, kind of quartering off the left, and just, yeah, laced it. It was awesome. Not my best shot, but Ben-on taught me how to hit a stinger at a title's photo shoot. And it was a bit of a hit. I hit the shot, Butch moment. And I don't think I'll ever be able to do it again, but it was really cool. And it's on camera somewhere. So I was there.

As long as both of us are alive, it was really sick. So sick. Yeah. It looks like it was like three feet behind your back foot. I know. So is set up. He's only got. a driver in all irons in his bed.

Mad respect for Ben on. He's a true striker of the ball. Can you do that shot again? Or is it? I don't know. I mean, maybe. It's like anytime you get these tips, they go in one year, like, I'm never going to chip bad again. And then like two weeks, they're like, what did he tell me? What did Russell Henley tell me? So anyway,

I got a new chipping field that reminds me. Anyways, let's get to the news of the last couple of weeks. Live golf made a big announcement titled Statements on Taylor Gooch taking over as smash GC captain. Uh, this was, I think the first question on everyone's mind, uh, do we think Gooch can pick up where Kepka let off in terms of leadership and what he's done kind of managing smash GC, uh,

I'll throw it to you first for your reaction, Brooks Kepka leaving live golf. What is this, what does this all mean? Explain it to me. God, I got to figure out who's taking his place on smash. Have they, have they announced that yet? I think it's going to be Rory or Scotty. That's what I've read on the everything app is, uh, they have some big. names coming this winter yeah no i felt like the writing was on the wall for this one for a little bit uh between various columns talking to various people just brooks's general apathy towards live uh amen lynch typically has a pretty good handle on all things brooks and all things kind of jupiter scene and uh you know i think he he had foretold this in some some columns that he had written

and yeah really overall it just felt like it was kind of a slow bleed leading towards that and the fact that it happened December 23rd or 24th was was kind of the cherry on top of just you know like thank you Brooks you've you've done so much here at live you know yeah like thank you for everything you've done we wish you the best in your future endeavors kind of thing and then and then the tour puts out that cryptic treatment which I loved it's great So the Liv's statement was we have amicably and mutually agreed that Brooks Capica will no longer compete in Live Golf League following the 2025 season. Brooks is prioritizing the needs of his family and staying closer to home. Also a reason given for why he left for Liv.

We can maybe cover that in a future time period. The PGA tour quickly came out with a very definitive statement that, you know, I don't think we need to, you know, kind of kind of says it all. Really bottom lines it. Brooks Kepka is a highly accomplished professional. we wish him and his family continued success. The PGA Tour continues to offer the best professional golfers the most competitive, challenging, and lucrative environment in which to pursue greatness.

I feel like this statement kind of did some numbers. You know, I know it was very vague. A lot of people, you know, it was like an abstract art piece of us. It's kind of a sixth statement. Yeah. It made me think. I actually, I think that's pretty, I mean, it's cool. It's like, yeah, good for you guys.

Kind of new. We have Com's head at the tour. Paul Hicks coming in and, you know, saying hello world. Yeah. We're going to get weird here. That first line is indirectly translated. We see you, player. All right.

We see you. I see you. Pretty highly accomplished professional. We got you. I see you. Five majors. Okay. All right.

I was exhilarated when I saw this news. I don't know how you guys felt. I know, like you said, Tron, it's kind of been in the wind for a while. And it was always like, yeah, that might happen. When it actually happened, I was. I was pumped up for I think I you know I think everybody kind of got addicted to the juice of of who's leaving who's staying who's going what's happening and for the last like year or so that those storylines have just disappeared you know and they're just like okay well we'll get we'll get back to the golf but now I'm addicted to all this other stuff off the course and this is the first time that I'm like maybe the writers are back here you know they've got a storyline that I can't wait to see what happens with Brooks now I was I don't know man I was I was I was pumped we could talk about what it all means and what's going to happen but I was those those storylines disappeared did you stop following pro golf critic yeah that's true well i yeah other than the siwu kim stuff and and and who is sung jay and yeah some of those

and baller was all over that one you know all that one too uh you're really not on the app anymore are you teach no i'm not i'm not i missed out on a on a nothing app i don't want to say a serious note but brooks is he's a if this was investing he's kind of doing it right he was on the front end of the live like you know probably got a hundred million maybe i don't know what the exact number was uh was his contract going through the end of 26 so he's probably leaving some money on the table good for him you know he needs like clearly wants to be at home uh i hope everything's going all right at home sincerely i was going to say worth saying i think it hasn't been going great right they had some very public well i'm saying hopefully it's going better like if he's

doing the right thing is what i'm saying like i i mean that uh but he's also kind of the first one to try to find the life raft you know like you know what be one of the early ones off the sinking ship maybe so he seems to be good but Brooks seems to be good with timing I guess is what I'm getting at here

but it's also like mask on before helping others yes well said TC many people have been talking about this for a reason for literal years like Brooks would tell anyone who would listen that he did not like live golf was not enjoying it wanted to back on the PGA tour like that was not made up

chatter like he was the captain of his team and he didn't wear the team's uniform which was kind of like the whole that was maybe my favorite part like kind of knock on effects of this is it very quickly pivoted when I did get back on the app TC. It very quickly pivoted just like I mean this might

be a good thing if you really think about it maybe he just wasn't that into it in the first place. It could be an opportunity you know to like we only want people that want to be here. Yeah and I'm like okay well I don't think losing Brooks is a good thing for the league but sure. It's like Troy Hendrickson with the Bengals right randy that's an unnecessary cheap shot tc so so what what happens here what happens now it is

you know the pGA tour has been steadfast and what the punishment is if you go and play live golf you are suspended you know even if you're not a member of the pGA tour you're suspended for at least a year from the last time you've played which he's not because he didn't renew his membership after what 23 i think so like that's correct yeah so there's all these yeah there's all these wrinkles. Dylan DeCere wrote a really good piece for golf.com about, you know, kind of laying out what might happen, what has happened, what do we know and when did we know

it, uh, sort of piece. And yeah, the big thing, like you mentioned Salli is like a lot of the guys like it's, for non-members, it's basically been a year from your last live start. Uh, and so for Brooks, that would be August 24th, uh, was his last live start. Uh, coincidentally a year from that is the tour

championship. And so it's just kind of like, I don't know, is there a world where Brooks, I'm kind of here for the world where Brooks maybe plays a handful of DP World Tour events while he's suspended from the PJ tour. He plays all the majors. And then I was like joking, you know,

as I'm writing my notes, I'm like, is there a world where Brooks Kepka comes back, like breaks his contract with LiveGolf to come back to the PJ tour at the Good Good Championship this fall. I'm just like, truly, what a world. Oh, that's a whole other thing we can talk about.

They were trying to really make a meal. out of will he come to TGL? It's like, gives a shit, man. That's a whole other thing. Well, it's worth pointing out this, the policy was put in place by a previous regime at the PGA tour under a non-profit model. And the PGA tour is now Brian Rolap is the new CEO of the PGA tour. The PGA tour has evolved to a J-Tor enterprises, has evolved into a for-profit model.

So does that- Nothing matters for really like it as we're flying it. They can throw out, you. you know, we've kind of fantasized about this in some way of like, do you just do a one-time offer? Like, Rom, you can come back right now and get right back on right now on the PJA. And anybody that comes back now is good. Anybody that doesn't is going to stay suspended.

It's electric. Tune in next week to find out. Do you think they're rewriting it to be like, can they write a policy that's like, all right, if you have won two majors or a major and a players for kids? majors for PGA tour. Yeah. Can you write the rules so that anybody you want to come back? Like, don't worry about Abe answer.

Don't worry about Jason Coak. Like, can you write the rules so like the five or six guys you would even want back can come back? Is that like what they're currently working on? Like, again, I trust Amon's like gut on this and like as much as we made fun of the the statement. Like he put out a tweet that said much mockery of a statement that seemingly says nothing. But the fact is it was ready to go 23 minutes after Liv announced Kepka's departure.

says a great deal. The tour knew it was coming and intended to signal he's welcome back pending the internal housekeeping process to get there. It's like, what does the internal housekeeping process look like? I don't know the answer to that. Give me five, you know, Hail Marys and 10 our fathers and a little habitat for humanity and you're back, baby, you know. I like the, so I like the kind of one-time amnesty box. Right. I did. Yeah, if you shouldn't have brought that through TSA, here you go, just throw it away. It's okay. That weed box in Chicago. Exactly. Exactly. Are you still worried about other players that stuck around and they're, I guess, their feelings?

I mean, that's kind of what a big piece of this was, you know, a couple years ago. That's real quick. Just a piggyback, Neil, that's the thought I had was Solitron, DJ. You guys are certainly more plugged in than I am. But in your opinion, is there a, do the players that are currently on, on the PGA tour, do they still want that pound of flesh for the guys like Brooke that departed? I'll read a quote from one of the loudest voices in the room. Roy McElroy was on the We Are the Overlap podcast. And he said, I think they've paid their consequence. They've made the

money, but they've paid their consequence in terms of their reputation and some of the things they've lost by going over there. If it made the tour overall stronger to have Bryson DeShambeau back and whoever else, I would be okay with it. But it's not just me. And I recognize the not everyone is in my position. It will be up to the collective group of PGA tour members to make that decision. So I think, and this is, I'm just, I'm spitballing here, Randy, and I don't have the answer this. But I think the sentiment among the top players has evolved from the very beginning, from like,

fuck these guys to like, all right, I think we're all better off if a lot of these guys come back. Now, moving, when you go farther down that ranking list of guys that are like going to get bumped out potentially of signature events and there's only 100 cards now and how many guys are coming back wait i'm 93rd on the list here and like that all of a sudden puts me kind of in jeopardy you may get some resistance to that but this is where i also point to the new structure the pj tour that i think they're in a lot better position to say sorry dude like play better like play better i don't think the power is going to lie at the bottom of the pj tour as much

thing is though i mean brooks might have to play a little better too like he's kind of got for sure you know what i'm saying so it's like it it is bullshit to say just because he's a brand name that like we're going to plug him into the waste management. I guess past winter, maybe you get away with like an invite for something like that where you can bump him to the front of the line. But at some point, then you run into a bit of an Anthony Kim situation that Liv ran into

or it's like, oh, let's bring this big name in. And then it's like, well, he's playing like shit. You know, how long does that last? You know, it could be electric is the, like I said, if that's the way that the timing works out with the suspensions is basically after the tour championship, you know, everybody's technically served a year and you're good to go.

Do you just, yeah, beef up that fall with anybody who wants to come back and say, here you go, man. Here's your chance to go play into a full card over these next eight events or whatever. Are we sure that Brooks wants to play like a full BGA tour schedule? Because I'm not. Like, I can see him basically saying, hey, I'm going to, you know, I'll play the majors and maybe pick up a DP World to a tour event or two. But otherwise, like, I'm just going to chill this year, work on my game, work on my health, hang out at home with my family get things back you know in a good place there and then at some point you know moving into 2027 then it's like all right you know you got like or solid your point like use the the

fall season in 26 to then play your way into these fields in 27 to not have to play the mule you know via mule circuit um yeah if we could get tc if that comes to fruition and we could get some like brook shot of worst ball 64 as some of these majors this year to pick off where tiger left off like count me all the way in on that and rip tim rooseport that was that was his block with tiger i feel like he always had good stuff coming out of or land up before the majors i love that's truly some of my favorite reporting i'd love that stuff it is a great point tc and i i think i kind of depends on how much his sentiment has changed in the last 15 to 18 months i think definitively he was saying back in

2023 like I wish I was still playing on the PGA tour privately like two other players like but he's also the guy that said he didn't care about the PGA tour and he only cares about majors. He's one more majors than PGA four events. He's won as many European challenge tour events

as PGA tour events. But if he didn't like the PGA tour imagine how much he had to have hated live. Like if he thought PGA tour was a joke like dudes out there in shorts and music and shit and matching uniforms like he had to absolutely kill most of them in matching uniforms

not him the other cucks yeah that's to your point he's his career I forgot about him that's a good good point gosh that's a talk about a name I haven't thought of in a minute to your point though Neil I mean I that's why I think I like the whole

you know I'm not going to be at this party when the lights somebody turns the lights on I'm out of here which I think just makes Rom, Patton, Bryson like all Neiman, all these guys so much more interesting when the coolest kid in the class is kind of like this is fucking lame. I'm out.

And also, Bryson doesn't have a contract in place for this year. No, no, no. Not until his contract is through this year. Yeah. Through this year? Same as Brooks's was. They're both through 26. But Bryson now, I don't know if you want to transition into that, Holly, but not quite yet. Because Brody Miller wrote a great column for the athletic

that kind of, you know, you can generally like theorize like all right, Brooks is going. like about to be a cascade going through here. And he made good points of, and I'll read just some of that column. He said, just as he was leaving the PGA tour, didn't represent what we thought in 2022. Kepka was never Bryson DeShambo or Phil Mickelson.

He wasn't Roy McElroy either. He was simply a guy who took a deal because he thought it made sense. He did not buy in because Brooks Kepka doesn't care. That's his whole shtick, his persona, his identity. That's not an insult. That's been his charm for better or worse. The golfing great who didn't like golf, the one who proudly only cared about major championship.

chips in such a way he won five majors and only four pGA tour events he never fully committed to any equipment brand because it gave him better flexibility to do what's best in a modern era in which myth making is hard to come by he pulled it off uh he goes on to say kepka does not represent some massive momentum shift he is not theoretically going to arrive as a an apostate defector torching live on his way out that's not even a clear sign that this is going there's not even a clear sign that this is going to be an opening of the floodgates it all might be as simple as kepka is a golfer who took the money didn't love it and isn't desperate to stay and kefka's lingo he just wasn't feeling it man i think that's like bottom lines it man i think i think i don't think this changes much for bryson

like i don't think bryson has not as far as i know been privately you know claiming he didn't i live's been great for bryson i don't think he's in a hurry to get back to pjutor at all uh i don't i don't even think bryson needs live though either it's nice well let's go there because i actually i want to talk about that uh yeah i think that's that's kind of the next uh the next domino to fall here so as a result of this the next kind of bit of news to break was that bryson basically was in talking about his next live contract which so much like brooks his current contract goes through 2026 this is all kind of hearsay these are not published or official anywhere i guess it's just all kind of been like agreed upon that that's what it's happened behind the scenes is that his contract goes

through 2026. And so, Tron, I think the, what started to come up was they were renegotiated or starting the negotiations on like, how do we get your next one in place, you know,

even before this season. And his little tiny bit of news was like, I don't think that's necessarily going to happen. You know, we've got so much to figure out. We've got, you know, it's got to make sense for both sides.

Some very good, Bryson quotes, which I believe we're given to your boy, flushing it golf, exclusively on Instagram. Bob up, baby. Yeah, and so there was, you know, a lot of, like, it's got to get to a place where it makes sense for both sides.

I think that could happen, but you never know. It was a lot of, like, a lot of hedging on, you know, yeah, it might happen. I think we're in a great spot. I can't wait to grow the game, but also just move it so fast and so much stuff. No, he's tried not to, Neil. He said they hired a GM for the crushers, which he did say are just blowing all the other teams away, which I think is probably true. He said we hired a GM and quote

We're hiring more people this year But it's slow I'm not expanding too quick Like some teams Don't know who he's talking about there It gotta be teac's cleats I think team I think team Ripper

Who are they hiring like crazy I think I think Ripper is like All those guys are so bought in And they have like they're running it Like an actual team kind of impressive. He said, I feel like we're a lean, mean machine. It's done great.

We're having positive EBITA the past few seasons. Our revenue is above $20 million, which is amazing. And next year, it's going to be even more. So asked, does he think LiveGolf could improve on anything? Of course, nobody's perfect. No organization is perfect. He did a lot of like, of cool, I mean, the PJ Tour has things they can improve. As if the situation is apples to apples, which I don't think it is.

But I could tell you the opportunities that live and the ability to grow team golf is so intriguing and so interesting to me. That's where I want to be. But ultimately, it's got to make sense for everybody. Very important sentence here because I could just go do YouTube golf. It'd be totally fine as well.

Not I could go back to the PGA tour. I could just fuck off and play golf on YouTube, which I think is totally true to our previous conversation. What if he did that? And then he went and played like the minor league golf tour that Eric Cole was doing? Sure. World Long Drive. Do some more of that stuff?

Like, truly, man. It's a bit like, you know, if you thought the Brooks comes back to the PJ tour at the good, good invitational, it was weird. Like, how about if I told you five years ago, Bryson's going to walk, you know, his main leverage against, you know, the Saudi-funded golf league is that he might quit

and go play YouTube golf. It's just, what a world. It all happens so fast. How did we get here? Do we know? If he leaves, live, does do the crushers and Yasser and them still have their claws in his YouTube channel

which they apparently did who could say yeah who could say um the big thing Dija honestly there's also just a coming reckoning with the crushers as well of Bryson but then you

have like just an aging roster yeah all like a fucking cap hell man does he want to go through a rebuild that's a great question to see it was a bit like a bit like the Phillies I think just I don't like what the majestic is not this year yeah I don't know uh last quote I'll read here uh there was one that was like you know with Brooks leaving it definitely throws in some

unique things you know yada yada yada uh but he said things have got to change things have got to improve i think scott o'neal's done a fabulous job with the year that he's had and i think this year's going to be even better now that he's got the right people in place and can run the organization the way that he wants to so it's going to be interesting to see especially with the new branding coming on Randy we'll go to you for a sidebar on that in the second. It's going to be interesting to see what happens. I don't run this thing at all.

I really don't have much say, to be honest with you, which is funny, but it is what it is right. And you know, sometimes I wish I had more say, but that's life and I don't run the organization and I trust them to do that. And so gentlemen, what I think I want to ask you guys is like, everybody

like, it's not just Bryson. I feel like Brooks said this a bit. I feel like Ram has you know said this in so many words too that like you know there's got to be some changes there's got to be some improvements there's got to be some this and that what does that actually mean to you guys solid what is that what does that mean is that money is that more people need to care is it OWGR is it all of these things and how many of those things even actually matter that I'm glad you threw that last part in there because I don't think it's I don't think there's like real like probably OWGR but like they're that's so

incongruous what's the word there to like the way the entire league is run like it was never going to happen it was so obvious that that was the case and everyone told them that's the case so it's not more events not more money they're playing more golf now this year for not more money um which guys playing more golf too 57 guys playing four rounds um so like again like i think you have to like put this hat on of like all right we have to pretend that this is a real thing to answer that question. And I just don't have one of those hats lying around. But I do think sincerely that Bryson does think it's a real thing.

And I think he cares about it. And at least the last. Yeah, like the last two or three sentences there, Dej, it's almost like he couldn't help himself at the end. He's like, well, I'm not really in charge. I mean, I should be, but I'm not. It's like he just couldn't, you know, like this, the id came out a little bit. And he's probably got all these ideas.

But I just worry that, yeah, Bryson's ideas might be like making it more like YouTube golf. and maybe i don't know if that's going to do much for you as like a serious competitively so which is kind of i think maybe the underlying secret of a lot of this stuff is this whole model probably would work better as like youtube well it goes back to like jake paul as a business it's more intriguing paul brothers were like pretty close to it like it turned it into the internet invitational you know and just like we said that years ago and it's like that's probably like the way it should go if you really want to maximize like value well that that was kind of my thing

So I got to the same like stumbling frustrated spot as you is just like everybody well it's got obviously things got to change. I'm like I don't I don't know if they do or if they can because like I like are you saying through that kind of subconsciously like well obviously we need people to care about this. It's like yeah, no shit man. That was kind of that's kind of been the problem the whole time like that was pretty clear that that wasn't going to happen. And so I just it's very fascinating to me. I'm like what are we talking about? How are the two sides far apart here? Because now are we just talking about money, in which case, Bryson probably is in the most unique, like the only unique position, really, outside of maybe ROM or it's like, yeah, Bryson should ask for all the money.

Yeah. He's the only, he's the only person there that is moving the needle at all. And so it's just, I don't know, it's fascinating. Randy, I feel like you were saying something on the kind of larger model stuff. Oh, I had just chimed in. you could convince me that to let bryson take over the whole business and just follow his instincts and it might be a more viable business honestly as like a youtube golf thing rather than what they're trying to build as a alternate serious professional league yeah so again it's like how much

how much time do you actually want to spend thinking this way but like all right so there's the PGA tour, which is the most, what people watch the most. There's TGL, which gets more viewers than LiveGolf. Like, it's more interest has been shown in that than in LiveGolf. And then you, but you're going down and LiveGolf is closer to PGA Tour golf in theory of like putting on professional events than it is TGL. Yet it can't even be as successful as this silly little thing. And where does YouTube fit into that, which is hard to measure because there's not live viewership on there. But like a shitload of people are watching Bryson on.

YouTube but clearly not following him to watch it that live just gives you like the picture like that that's probably what Bryson's coming from I'm like dude I'm a hit man like I'm huge on YouTube and I can't keep people to watch me over here like this has to be somebody else's fault not mine and I don't disagree with him his fault is you know going there in the first place yeah but going there in the first place and able him to do the YouTube stuff I was expecting it's not wrong there you know what I mean like it for him it's been a good move for sure Uh, it's just, you know, you have the question here, like, where do you think Bryson plays in 2027? That's, that's when I just, I don't know how to truly don't know. Anybody want to go on

the record? Man, I mean, safe monies live. I think that's, you know, some of this just feels like posturing to me. Yeah, I, I don't think it's the PGA tour. Let me put it that way. Uh, I don't either. I think it's, it's, it's live or he's too. He's, yeah, chilling and playing I think the other thing with Liv is a lot of the schedule stuff is predicated upon like regions or cities or states or countries working over a bunch of tourism dollars to, you know, bring in a tournament there, like kind of kind of what South Australia has done with Live Adelaide. And like I get the sense that that's kind of drying up a little bit. like i know they're doing that in louisiana um you know but like all right the corporate sponsors aren't coming and they are losing money and it's all to the crushes man it's all and and sales force you look at the price of oil for a week like it's like it's not in the the most profitable

spot for the kingdom right now no we've gotten way too comfortable just throwing that b word around for how much money they spent on that and i I'm done trying to predict the death of LiveGolf, but I feel like they're at the end of this year, they're going to be at a massive crossing point here of deciding whether or not they're going back in with a bunch of these guys, which statement came out from the OWGR recently

that there's, you know, the review of LiveGolf application is still underway. I'm not going to read all of it. Trevor Ullman's the chairman of the OWGR governing board. You know, live change from 54 holes to 72 holes. Live, OWGR did recently announce that 54-hole events will now receive 75% of OWGR points that 72-hole events were, but that's not to say, well, yeah, Liv are not 54 holes anymore. So it doesn't mean Liv's getting OWGR points. And I don't, we don't need to revisit this conversation every week, but I don't see how Liv would come even close to sniffing OWGR points unless OWGR is going through a drastic change in how they measure things.

So it's not even that important anymore. OWGR might need to get with the Tours communications team. Tighten this thing up a little bit. Just give it a we see you player. Before we get to our next topic, give a shout to our friends at high noon, no matter the forecast, live like the sun's always out with high noon.

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listen to our interview or conversation with Mike McCarton, one of the co-founders along with Will Smith of the National Links Trust. A couple weeks ago, I would highly recommend you do so. Unfortunately, some things have changed since that conversation. Things were kind of in limbo. Super quickly, the National Links Trust, if you are not familiar, is the organization that is attempting to keep affordable golf in Washington, D.C. through the renovation of three golf courses. East Potomac, Langston. And Rock Creek, Rock Creek, I always draw blank on that one. Hiring Tom Doke, Gil Hance, Bill Welling to do all those.

Really one of the coolest stories going on around the country in golf prior to this news is the development there. That's the 60 second synopsis. Sorry. Yeah. And so, yeah, so East Potomac, it's an island in the middle of the Potomac River. It's got a Walter Travis reversible golf course on it. It's a fabulous piece of property. Pretty remarkable.

Yeah, Randy, you did your hunter-to-like there, correct? Yeah, yeah. Like you said, you're just kind of out on this. It feels like a peninsula almost. And I'm bad with directions, but like down one side is a river, whatever river that is. And it's cool, though, because you can see a lot of the big government buildings. And then, like, going down the stretch of the course, you can see the Washington Monument out in the distance. It feels like you're in the middle of our nation's capital, which is very cool.

So they've raised a bunch of money and continue to try to raise money to like the Langston was the first domino fall as far as they broke ground on the renovation for that. And they're they're operating and managing each of the golf courses and working with the National Park Service to get all of the permitting and planning done for these renovations. in the midst of all this, they received a letter a few months ago saying that they were in violation of their lease agreement and that they're, you know, delinquent on it. The letter came from the Trump administration for the record. Yeah.

And then, you know, but didn't really tell them why or how to remedy the situation or, you know, like what they were in violation of. And then, and then, yeah, this past week, they got, they got an official letter that said, hey, we are terminating your lease agreement. So, you know, all that's to say, it sounds like it sounds like the president has his eyes on East Potomac as a statement, kind of signature project. It's according to reporting in Golf Digest, along with other various outlets, just about, he's brought Tom Fazio in to tour the property and for meetings in the Oval Office. And there's just a sense that the president wants to have a rider cup at East Potomac Golf Lings, which, you know, I think just in our talk with Mike McCarton, Mike was like, yeah, it's going to cost like a couple hundred million dollars to fix the seawall and to raise the level of the golf course at East Potomac to begin with. And I don't know, just, yeah, just somewhat depressing in that like these industry professionals,

that are responsible for like some of the best like or you know partially responsible for some of the best courses built in the last 20 30 years great golf experiences who are DC locals natives are you know and like this is a labor of love for them they're kind of being kicked to the curb here and and you know like it's just I don't know it's just infuriating I mean and I think it goes beyond politics right not even not even somewhat depressing this is a fucking disgrace man straight up like it's it's a it's a it's a shame i mean personally we've 12 13 hour 100 hole hike randy you've done it we've probably raised 20 25 000 for national links trust and it's just like that's and i know how hard those guys work and i just hate this it's bad business and

politics aside there's one thing i know that like i definitely don't agree with with don't Trump it's like taste like trump potomac is not going to be the kind of course that i want to play and that's fine there's probably a bunch of people that want to play it but i just i don't think that's going to be affordable golf i don't think that's long term golf so randy go ahead i'm just it fucking pisses me off man that's well that's the thing i could say yeah no you nailed it there with like i you know the the mechanization of or whatever the word is to to remove this from the national links trust you know they had designers that we like working on East Potomac, but I don't want it to get lost is the main mission of

National Links Trust was to make very good public golf courses that are also affordable for the people in and around Washington, D.C. And listen, Trump may surprise me, but nothing he does is in the name of affordability. And so I think the real losers here are, you know, the people in and around D.C., that the kids, the people that could have gotten into golf, could have had access to these places that I am guessing now will be totally shut out. And it'll be interesting to see what happens with Rock Creek and Langston. Langston was one of the original, you know, the kind of African American hotbeds of golf in the country of like, you know, like, yeah, like kind of the epicenter of that,

like very historic property, you know, Rock Creek, like, it doesn't seem like, like, I'll be fascinated to see if National Links Trust keeps managing and operating those. And like, if they wanted to go the legal route and sue and, you know, I think the only remedy for them would be money. And they're like, there's no point in having money. I'm doing this for money. If their mission is, is stripped away from them and they no longer have the golf courses. So. And also, I mean, again, just the, the next open. putting all everything else aside the idea of just having a rider cup at east potomac like the next open rider cup is in 2041 uh dt would be 95 for that also the 2037 rider cup is scheduled for congressional

in dc so 2041 is not going to be going to east potomac uh it's just if you wanted to be involved like great it's just this is not this doesn't make any sense is the the part that makes me mad it's just bad like business there's so much else going on in the world right now why do we need to do this I thought he was bringing the tour

and live back together where are we out with that? I know man it's like God may I propose it makes sense if you wanted to perhaps I'll say distract Trump with a vanity project

that is right up his alley while other things go on like it it makes sense through a certain lens, but it's not one I don't think any of us like, like, and it doesn't make it, you know, good, but I

I just don't think it's a political thing either. Like, it's not tethered to like, oh, you're liberal or you're conservative. No, this really, you're a golfer. You should be pissed about this if you're a golfer. And I don't think any of this stuff is liberal or consens. It's not for me. It's just like, this sucks, man. And maybe it's because, like, we're friends with the

national interest and we've been supporting it for six years and, like, we believe in the mission. But, like, the quote from the interior department the interior. The Trump administration prides itself on getting the job done for the American people and partnering with others who share that same goal. Nobody asked for this. Like what are we like why? What are we? These guys have been

trying to get the job done. It's like, no, they haven't been trying to get to the job done. They have been getting the job done. They've doubled the rounds that have been played there. They doubled the revenue since they've taken over. They've done all of these things and they just got a fucking sledgehammer just wrung through their front room. And that's what is by the rules with the

bureaucracy and the red tape. You know, this stuff just takes time. that's what sucks is like the indiscriminate just we're going to make up a reason you know these people are not unserious people that are running this organization like they're not they're not forgetting to pay their bills they're not forgetting to dot their eyes and cross their teas they're doing all of that stuff and just to make up a reason and take it away from them when they've poured their heart and soul and basically they're made it their life's work is so fucking dystopian that that can happen i i don't know how to say it other than that I hope the Fawz gets fucking blackballed if he goes for this.

Like that is that is one person we can shame for this if it goes the way that it's that it's scheduled for. It's not his fault, but like, no, but you don't have to do this. When it pro bono, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to do, don't be a part of this like kicking Doak and Gil and Bo Welling to the curb. They were basically donating their time. It's common professional courtesy to not, you know, take on a project when someone else is under contract for that same project, you know? Especially one with a mission like this, like just between this, you know, again, if you don't live

in DC, and this doesn't directly affect you, I understand like this, not feeling like that big of a deal, but like DC hit the jackpot in terms of the people they had and the locations they had to be dedicated, this dedicated to making this happen, right? And if it can go away there with like really good stewards in charge of it, like this AI data centers and like just where like the game is headed is just a bad bad sign for the future of like public accessible affordable golf in this country and it's already not good yeah i was only going to say there sally is like yeah if you don't live in dc it might not touch you but there's an off chance this goes really well for national links trust in dc and yeah exactly this the same model

can be copied in cities all across the country you know like this this had a real chance to be a proving ground and something that could be used elsewhere you know by the way they um you know they've got like a workforce development program that's getting more people trained in like the business of golf and running a golf course and agronomy and all of that they've got i think they're going to have like several evan scholars coming out of their caddy program like this year as well um so like there's there's like six other tentacles that that are you know related to this too that are that are, you know, secondary when looking at just the golf courses themselves, but have just as much of an impact.

So. And that's, yeah, I don't know. I'm sure we're retread in the same ground, but it's like that that's the point. Like, that's why these places exist. They're not supposed to be premier golf experiences. It's not supposed to be fucking dune bag or, or turnberry or. That's not to say you can't make them nicer. Sure. They were, they were finding that perfect balance.

Yeah. Like, hey, we're going to bring in the best architects. in the world, while also keeping the affordability and playability in, you know, just... I mean, if you want to throw a trust name in the flower beds, like they have a dune bag, sure, just let the NLT play at the flowers, you know? Like... Make it the Wi-Fi

the Wi-Fi password. It sucks, man. The stuff that stuck out to me from Mike that you guys were talking about in the interview a couple weeks ago, which again, everybody should go, it's probably a more infuriating listen to go check it out now, but it's doubly relevant is just like

what happens when you start squeezing enough of these places out and you're you're just cutting off the the pipeline you know like where we're fucked in the country all of these people that are going to fill up these unbelievable exclusive golf experiences like where do you think they come from man they got us they got to start somewhere and we're just keep cutting off all the starting points and it just is that's so bleak it's like probably a dumb question here that I haven't fought through and they don't have power in this situation but at what point would like where's the USGA in this this is this is this This is bad for golf in America.

Again, I don't think you can override the American government per se, but like, I don't know, man. I think the USG is trying to pick their battles because it sounds like, it sounds like old DT is not happy about the golf ball rollback. And that's where we need to get involved. He's keen to get involved there and put his thumb on the scale there. Seriously. Can we just give this guy U.S. open and keep these golf courses? Is that a fair trade? Like, oh, God, right.

All right. move on. I think that it's just you feel kind of helpless. I'd like to see golf maybe go four corners offense on old DT, but I'll leave it at that. Well,

I mean, Randy, you're kind of a hypocrite in this. Like, you're trying to shrink the game, but then you're also pro national links trust. Which one is it? Big dog.

This could be a top 100 course, Randy. You could, you can, that's true. You guys are bad and sick people. That's enough outdoor golf. Neil,

where are we going next? Oh, God, talk about growing the game. Guys, a little TGL update for you, okay? I just wanted to tell you the Atlanta Drive, Randy, they beat the New York Golf Club, my New York Golf Club last Sunday. And then on January 2nd, Boston Commons won their first TGL match ever over the L.A. golf club. It was, it was really, really exciting stuff.

I'm not going to lie to you, guys. I did not watch, okay? But I did watch the highlights. I did watch the highlights. It's Rory Keegan and Michael Thorbjornson. He had a big night as the rookie for Boston. He did have a coming out party. The highlight package on TGL's website was great.

Randy, he kind of stole your, you know, if anybody listening to the Trapp Draw Goals podcast, Randy was talking about changing up his aesthetic in 2026 at one of his goals. And you floated the idea of a gold chain. And Thorbjornson, unfortunately, I think, is beating you to that block. Maybe he's rollerblading off or something else.

Who's got the puka shells? is that uh uh castelio that has a yeah yeah so yeah i don't know just neck where you might need to get a i don't know the crystal or a dabloon or something you can put it on your neck but there's a lot of blocks taken the la s la side la's favorite son team rose uh sahith and uh little baby colin um heat it up for the la golf club they came out and smoke and everything looked like the place was packed i mean it looked you know on the highlights it looked good The seat fillers, man. Rory Keegan and Thor Bjoranson got it done.

Listen, I am not trying to say, I was not able to watch. I got, you know, I'm spread a little thin. I don't know if I can just lock in on TGL right now, but I'm, I'm happy that. He was going to get through football season. Yeah, my knowers takes are tough. I got to need the Steelers to get a dub the night for my. I know where you're at in life. You absolutely should not be locking in on TGL.

I don't think anyone is asking you to. lock it on TGL right now. I'm just trying to speak educated about it, but I don't know, TC and Sal, you guys were down there. You tore the facility, played a few rounds. I did see the Stinger hole. Sahith got, got clipped by the Stinger hole.

Everybody was effusive. Like, you know, the socials were a buzz about Stinger, which they were like, more of this, please. This is what PGL needs to be. And same with the Sonote hole. Right? Like, more of that. A couple new roles. I know that gets you excited.

are we ready for my real opinions or are we still doing the bit well i just wanted to give you a rundown but randy please take it away uh this is so stupid this is so stupid i can't believe we waste time talking about tgl i think it's beyond um if you like it great i'm not going to tell anybody like don't watch it don't but like when it comes to like we're a golf pocket i just don't think it rises to the level of like we just have guys hitting balls into screen i i just i hate it and i'm never going to get into it and i think it dumps down the PGA tour

in a way. I just don't think we need it. Let guys go away. Let golf go away. Let's pick it back up. Let's have an off-season. I couldn't be more out on TGL. Fuck you. Real grass though, Randy. It's real surf.

I think I'm I don't know if I'm feeling quite the passion that you're feeling, but I feel similarly, and I think I'm voting with your block. Neil, I was talking to you about it. It's the real Richard Karn, Al Borland tweet. You know, I've, what is it?

Cody, I sent it to you. It's, you know, I've given a, I've thought long and hard about TGL. I've just decided it's not something I need to do. It's kind of how I feel about it. I tuned in. I watched the first 20 minutes. And Neil, I'm with you. I'm just like, man, I'm a, I'm a savvy media consumer, you know, in the year 20, 26.

I just don't understand. I can't picture a situation where I would need. to watch this live. I think anything that's going to happen is going to be in that three minute highlight package. And I think I can catch that later. If I had a 10 year old son who was super into it, would love to, would love to share that with them. I don't have that. And so I'm not going to put myself in like the headspace of a theoretical consumer that I'm not. I'm just, Randy, that's where I'm with you. I'm just like, I don't know. If you're asking me what I think, I don't think to participate. That's what we think about. We don't need to think about it.

I wish everybody the best. I wish everybody involved the best. We had a good heart to heart on the slack earlier. And it was like, yeah, if this replaced my Miss Rachel time with PD, then I'd be like all four. Do you see if like Freddie got really into TGL. I could see myself getting very locked in with my son,

but I'm just not there right now. You know, I'm spending time with Miss Rachel instead, you know, and not Boston Common, not Atlanta Drive. And that's fine. Miss Rachel's a lifesaver.

I think, You guys are, are your, I'm closer to where you're at than you might think on this. I think if, uh, if you, if we're like drawing up, if we have a ton of, uh, players time as a resource and a ton of money, like to do something. This is not what I would come up with. Like I don't, like, I don't think it's hurting anything. I don't think I agree with you there. It is not.

And I think golf and prime time is good. The second it hurts the PGA tour, like actually pulls somebody away from an event for some reason i'm like that's throw this thing out the fucking window like this is so stupid but you can't wait and in uh none of the Atlanta guys were even there Lucas Glover yeah we threw the day of so I don't think it's ever going to be appointment television for me but I will have it on in the background and I I when it's on in the background like they've done a really changing the hammer rules to keep the matches close like there's usually some pretty good moments at the end like they captured a little bit of like what makes

the golf tournament interesting at the end. Like, I kind of don't know what's going to happen here. I still think there's big problems with the technology. Like, the gameplay is not that interesting. The, we, TC and I played it. Like, the distances are right. Like, you hit the shots. It feels really good.

But, like, if they are shaping shots, it's not displayed in the gameplay. Like, that dumb aerial view the same way just looks like something out of, like a 1994 Super Nintendo game. Like, it just, you had to nail that part of the, a lot better this year. I think the green is better this year. But I don't know.

I think the thing that's not landing with me is like they end up cutting the entirety of the competition into social clips to the point where like... That might just be 2026, D.C. You can't have 67

highlights from this same match, especially when one of the teams just forgot to use the hammer like they forgot that the hammer even existed well i think that's like i this is a maybe good comp or bad comp but like the golf channel games was the same thing where i'm like i can just pretty quickly do the calculus in my head of like look man i've watched a lot of stuff this thing's probably going to have six to seven good minutes somewhere in this in this next three hours and like i just don't know if i need to put in the three hours like it's just i don't

say the golf channel games were like one of the upsets of the off season optum that's the other thing randy is like it would be fun to get into tjl like as a bit you know like t like tc your cleaks thing is is designed in a lab i know it's not a lab but if it was it would be a perfect bit because it's so it's just it's perfect and this is not that you can't do that same thing when like the roving camera also has an ad on it you know like the whole thing is like so sponsored and so optimized and so clean. I'm like this also isn't a joke. It's like. Like Arthur

Blank. Yeah, I'm just like this is, I just don't, everybody who's there, everybody who's playing looks like they're having a great time. That's interesting. It looks fun too. The in person stuff looks fun. Again, I'm like, I'm not, that helps. I'm trying to be a total hater. I'm just like, I can't I don't know what my role is. Can't summon the energy.

Yeah, my role right now is just I'm not the target and that's totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. So that leads to like, what is, who's asking for this? And I don't know if anybody was asking for it. I think it does like when it was on opposite NFL football, the opening match. It felt like like bowling on ESPN. Like remember when you accidentally land on ESPN during the NFL Sunday?

Like, oh, crap, I forgot football's on. Like it did feel like. Soli, be careful here. If you getting into darts, you may be, you know, wading into, oh, darts is on. That's true. Here's my thing with why I said it might hurt the PGA tour. and admittedly it may not like i i don't know um i'm going to draw a comparison to tc so we all went to miami university miami of ohio they maction right midweek college football games are a thing

on espn uh starting in november uh maybe mid-october october you know Tuesday Wednesday night you can turn on ESPN or ESPN two and you see two mac teams playing in an empty stadium with no atmosphere. And I ask myself, why are they doing this, right? Well, these schools need the money that ESPN kicks them for their TV deals, right? But they're not doing it for the students. They're not doing it for the fans, right? Like, it's not a better experience for me as Miami football fan.

Randy, I would disagree there. I actually thought I enjoyed the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games more. I thought they got better attendance at those games. And they did on the ones on Saturday afternoon when everybody's watching. No, attendance. Hold on for alumni. All right. Where are you going with that point?

But my point is, I believe it cheapens, like, if I'm just flipping through and I see this, what I think, this dumb football game in front of nobody, like, I just automatically associate Mac football at a lower tier than I would the rest of Division 1 football. And there's some truth to that, whether they're playing on weeknights or not. but my thing is like over time right if if tgl is kind of this side show and it's this bit and it's like stupid and it's like how many people are going to tune in and see that and that's their exposure to pro golf they're not going to go seeking out pGA tour events maybe as much as they would otherwise and i just think it it to me i feel like it just cheapens a little bit pro golf

pGA tour golf and i think over time that's where i talk about like it it's it could do some damage just to the brand, to the value of what I really enjoy, the professional golf, the tournaments that matter. So that's my soapbox. Randy, I think the counterpoint on the Mac stuff is like,

it's either that exposure or no exposure. Like nobody's watching a Mac game on Wednesday, or on Saturday afternoon other than maybe some of the students, you know, who go there with the parents or whatever. But I think that like with like the reason that, that ESPN is kicking off those payments to the Mac for that inventory is because they need inventory. And there's people in bars and sitting in in airports or like they got to put something

up, especially in February, March, you know, like you've got college basketball, you've got NBA, you've got NHL, but there's there's some dead space in there too. And so I think like, you know, you see it a little bit during the holidays or like you'll see it like, I remember last year I was out on a ski trip and it was like Tuesday night and there was nothing on and we ended up watching TGL from like the slope side bar. It's fun to watch the group of people. It's hard to watch on your own. Like the first night we watched it together was like kind of fun. Yeah. I think that's fair. That's very fair. It is. I think it's kind of harmless. I hear you. I think my counter argument to your counter would be like at best I could meet you at like net neutral. The,

yeah these programs i just don't see the benefits right like yeah i don't know if i see it being additive but i also don't think it's like detrimental or diluting anything especially if i could perhaps compromise there a bunch of you know poor poor events off the schedule or i mean shit like i i bet we see brooks play a tgl match before anything else if he didn't give a shit about live i cannot be so off his brand that'd be he lives right down the street it's like away him to dip his toe back in. I bet he will.

I bet he will. That makes sense. They seem like they were floating that pretty hard on the, on the broadcast. It, uh, it, they did have two new holes that are like, I don't know why we have normal golf holes in this thing still. I don't know why. Yeah, the new holes are great. Like watching Sawyth hit a three degree launch driver and it still hit the, the, you know,

the overhang and like Thor Bjoranson hit like a slow two, two iron or three iron stinger, like without much speed to make sure it didn't rise enough. like you know the the whole where you it's a note where you drive it past the green and have it roll back like you got to do more fun shit and i i maybe i'm just a video game nerd but like the tech the gameplay just needs to look enticing and uh it just it's because like randy i feel some of the same like i'm not that's not my thesis on it but sometimes when i'm watching it i'm like this is so fucking stupid and then there's sometimes when i'm like oh okay like this is getting kind of fun like this is kind of interesting. So I do, I battle some of those feelings at times. But like near the end,

it usually does just get like, I don't want to see what happens here. It's also real grass, guys. It is real grass. That's true. I got it. Solly, I was going to say, you could almost convince me getting two, three, four guys around and putting on like Tiger Woods video game and seeing how they play each other in the video game. Yes. It would almost be more compelling than watching them do this. I'm with you there. that's become much bigger than pro golf is that that exact thing. That's why I think the Barclays Center with that.

That's why I think the gameplay is really important, Randy, because like it is a really cool, it's like playing Wii golf almost, right? But like it just, I don't know, the ball just looks so unnatural still as it. It's better, but it's still just like not quite there. Anyways, so. I can't emphasize enough how hard it is to putt in there.

T.C. is so triggered by the screens. I'm told there were putts going in from everywhere. shadows going every which way it's crazy it was in my head my team is not debuted yet I'm a little nervous about

about juplinks but you guys ready to do some prompts ready to do some predictions for for 2026 before we do that I want to give a shout out to a new partner to the show to officially announce Arcos golf as a new no laying up partner for 2026 if you're

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After a round of golf that you just played, it will tell you, like, what you did. I played a great round of golf on New Year's Eve, guys. I drove it like a plus four. I had approach play like a plus five, short game like a plus five. and I putted like an eight handicap. I lost almost three shots to a scratch golfer on the green. Oh, those TGL green. It was tough.

But it gives you just really, really good insight as to where you're gaining shots, where you're losing shots. It's got all kinds of strategy stuff included in it. And the best part is you don't have to use your phone at all during the round. I do not like using my phone during the round. That was my big concern. Yeah. We're using the new link system, which is not out yet.

But there'll be more details on that here to come. but like you wear it in your back pocket and it registers all of your shots other than your putts really uh from t degree it's fantastic it's really fun it keeps me engaged in a round of golf we're going to talk a lot more about it anything i left out tc from from the brief overview no i've been using yeah both the the tracker and the range finder too the range finder locks on like crazy quick um and yeah just generally speaking it's it's um i've never been a big statistical tracker and i think i'm at the point where i'm like i need to know what i need to get better and having objective data to do that is imperative.

And the fact that I don't have to camp out of my phone, you can do everything after the fact. Like it'll log everything and then, you know, you'll go in and you'll say, oh, actually I had two puts there. Like there's some things you get you clean up after the round, but it is truly running in the background for you. And their database of golf courses, golf shots is like, it's like you said, over a billion shots and in growing every day.

It's remarkable. It also just keeps you engaged in the round, man. If I know the shot's going to be measured and I've got to look at like rounds that I've had things go bad, I'm like, no, this still matters. This still counts for something here. I don't want my data to look horrible. So if you want to check it out, go to Arcoastgolf.com. That's A-R-C-C-O-S golf.com.

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I just couldn't get the damn thing in the hole, man. I might need to alert the trackers, guys. I might be back. Any issues with the heads-up putting? Can we blame any of that? At Tim McQuana, of course, I know really well. The heads-up putting was awful, like, so bad. I think it's good for like when I see a course for the first time.

It's a conclusion. And then I didn't, then you say that out loud. You're like, dude, you might just build that right. That doesn't sound good. Let me, let me see which way, how cold it is, what's the humidity, whether I decide how I'm going to putt today. I don't like this. You threw up, uh, of you doing, you know, you were out at marshlanding and doing heads

up putting and it, I think you missed one. It was going the wrong way. And I was like, that wasn't the heads up putting. Now it was just reading the green. Yeah, it's bad. It was bad. I've been putting great for the last couple weeks. It's not good.

Well, initially when I got it said I was like a plus six. putter and a horrible ball striker so it's it's interesting to watch that stuff go up and down anyways we're going to go through a few prompts here to round up the season around to tonight's episode making some predictions for 2026 i asked you guys to name the four men's major winners for 2026 by tournament that is of course the masters the pGA u.s open open championship uh how do you go through all four we'll go in clockwise order here as it's on the screen dj who are the four men's major winners for this year. Little point system we're going to track, if we remember,

I almost certainly won't. If you nail the tournament, you get five points. If you nail the guy and the winner, you get five points. And if you pick a guy to win a major and he wins a different one, you get two points for that one. I don't know how much these points are worth. It feels like it should be... Everything's been like...

Shrewbuck. What can I catch these points? Nothing matters. Well, there were no parameters around this. So, like, my first instinct was just take Scotty for all four. Feels like the safe play. I didn't do that. I don't think that's a good podcast. So, but I just, T.C. a bit like, you know, we were talking about before is like, if he does win, I did call that. Like, if he wins them all, I do get credit for that, but that's not what I did for the exercise. Also, I was going to say, if you, if you, if you, when we do the major previews for these, if you are changing your pick, you have to declare that one dead. Like, you can't claim both.

Your points still count, but you can't claim both. Is there a submission period or something? When do we need to alert your office? It must be in writing. Yeah. So you're going to have to write these down. We'll talk about it. All right. So if you declare someone different, the new one, no. So if you play for the points or the old ones. If you pick Tommy to win the Masters, and then Masters week, you're like, oh, I think Scottie's going to win. You can't be like, I told you Tommy was going to win. You can't have two guys going in a tournament. You got to like, yeah, you got to be all in on it. Well, I think it's really easy. Your, your most recent prediction is your prediction.

So if you so choose to switch it up when we get further into the year, like that's the one that counts. That's right. He's buying high on Colin and you got to put your name on something. You got to put a stick in the ground here, guys. All right, Deeds, with that. We got to do that. Okay.

Okay. For the Masters, so Scotty's obviously going to win the Masters, but I didn't pick Scotty. I am going to take a guy named Ludwig Oberg, who you may not remember very well, but tends to play very well at the Masters in his limited experience. Hopefully he's healthy. He's back. And he's going to, you know, regain his rifle throne as, as the prince that is coming for the PJ tour. What is he, like 34-year-old prince or something at this point? But still, nevertheless.

At the PJ Championship, I think I feel really good about this one. And I know it's a low-hanging fruit. And I know it's pretty obvious. I think it's going to be Bryce in Deschambo. Yeah. He has finished in the top four at the PGA in four of the last five years, which I think has gone somewhat underrated somehow. because he hasn't actually won one of them. But, yeah, I mean, he just beats up these PGA setups.

And I just going back to our conversation, I didn't say it earlier, but I just really want to live in a world where a reigning major champion, it's just like, oh, no, that guy, he doesn't, he doesn't really like play pro golf. He just, like, you know, the guy who won the masters. Yeah, no, he's like, yeah, I don't know when we're, I guess I don't know when we'll see him. He just, whatever he puts on a new video. He's doing the Hickory Challenge.

it's coming up this week he's going to play he's going to break 50 left handed yeah uh i do so i just i love i love that idea so i got ludwig for the masters i got bryson for the pGA u.s open willy or wony

i think he will i think scottie sheffler completes the career grand slam it's quite shocking to me that he hasn't won a us open he seems built for a u.s open more than any of the other hundreds of tournaments that uh he has won i mean he flights it better than anybody else. His distance control is better than anybody else.

His mental game is better than anybody else's. It just feels like he very much is going to win one of these. And I just, I don't think the moments can be too big. I think Shinnock's a good fit. I think he was a shot away from winning a U.S. Open at the country club. He was three shots away from, you know, a playoff at LACC. So, you know, hot take, alert the press. I think Scott Schaeffler is going to win the U.S. Open.

And the Open Championship, a lot of directions we could go here. I wanted to go farther off the board and I wanted to go with something more interesting. And if I knew I could change my pick later, I would have done that because this doesn't matter. I could have just changed it. Nothing matters. You can't like change it. Like, who's your pick to win the majors this year? John Rom is my pick to win the Open Championship.

I think he's going to, he's going to regain his throne atop the, you know, in class A of professional golf. those are my picks. Randy, you're next. Okay. I am taking Scotty for the Masters. I DJ, I look forward to you not getting any credit for that in a few months. Just to

reiterate folks, Scotty 1 22, Scotty 1 and 24. I'm banking on an even year performance for him. So nothing more needs to explain there. PGA, honestly, DJ, I I kind of want to change my pick to Bryson.

That's very compelling. But I had Xander winning the PGA. I think it could be a birdie fest, right? A little bit at Aronimic. Seems like low scores. So give me Zander there. The U.S. Open fishing in the same pond. I think it's a big year for Scotty Sheffler.

I think winning a U.S. Open, a grindy U.S. Open at Shinnock is a really important jewel in Scotty's, in his crown and his belt, if you will. so I have Scotty Sheffler winning the U.S. Open, and then for the Open Championship, why don't we just run it back at Burkdale, George? I'm taking the last master. Wow. Yeah.

Got to respect that so much, Randy. Oh, is he in? I don't know. He could not be. We might have some work to do. He's a past chap, I'm joking. He is it. Sponsor exemption.

TC. Yeah, I'm going, I'm going to follow DJ's lead here and go, Ludwig for the Masters. I think it's the great man's time. You guys are, you know, I think you're, you're overrating the Bryson ability at these, at these PGA venues that are dog shit PGA venues.

I'm looking at you, Valhalla, and where they have the PGA last year? Don't tell them. Yeah, like, come on, guys. You know, and so I think Aronamank is a better course than the. But I still think, like you said, Randy, it's going to be probably a turkey shoot. We'll see what, you know, what the agronomy is like in Philly at that point. The mink, as you once glossed it. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's like the most, like one of the most overrated golf courses in the, like the U.S. rankings that's out there.

I think it's a great club. I think it's a fun golf course to play. There's cool spots in the corners. You just ruined top one hundred radius chances of ever getting on there. I just say these are T. These are T. I am open to an invitation. number is listening.

Anything you want to say about It's not a real top 100 though, Randy. And Carrie Hague, you've been on notice. This is your last year. All right. If you don't set this thing up properly, you're out.

You're out. T.C. who's your pick? Scotty. I was going to pick Harris English. I wanted to pick Harris English. For something. He's so good, man.

He's so good. It couldn't make the number. It's got to work for both sides. Yeah. Next, we're going to Shinnecock. and we're going to pick Tommy. Yeah, of course, sure. We should all get five points for predicting that, I feel like.

And then we're going to Burkdale, and I thought about picking Tommy again, but I think it would be more advantageous for me to pick Rory. I think I think Burkdale suits Rory, and there's a lot of, you know, you got to drive it well and you got to hit. Like there's some pretty decisive long irons and, you know, second shots on that golf course. So you played well there last time, too. I wanted to, I don't know why I didn't pick him, to be honest. I should have, should have.

Well, he backdoored that. Remember, that was the, what are you doing, your Roy fucking McElroy open championship? He started out like shit. And, uh, if now he, now he knows that he's Roy McElroy. That's true. From the start. So. Neil, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm sure saw you'll be fishing some, some of the similar ponds.

I think it's Scotty at the Masters, uh, for all the reasons that have, uh, been stated. Uh, I've got Zander at the PGA. I think Zander's, you know, he's kind of been sleepwalking, but it just feels like he might be become the, the, uh, the, uh, the PGA guy, just birdie fest, kind of a, uh, souped up PGA tour event. Potential for a, uh, Strap Boys grand slam here, two for two. Yeah. Well, so they hit this at Shini, I was, I was, man, I was noodling on Russ Henley. He was the first round leader in 2018, but I just, I don't know, it feels like a, it was a little bit still too big. I'm not giving Russ enough credit.

Are you, are you, are you ready to? Yeah. Are you selling Russ stock this year? I was going to talk about that in my section. I'm worried about Russ, but I doubt of them before. That stock did really good last year. It's really good. It might be

time to sell. I think Rory is hunting premier like stuff. I think Rory wins at Shinnie. I think that's one he's got circled as like a couple of U.S. opens have gotten away from Rory. I think he would love to win at a really blue blood place like Shinnock.

So I think Rory gets it done at the U.S. Open this year. And then D.C., I think there's going to be a lot of hype around Tommy. Tommy, oh, my God, this is Tommy's time. I think he's not going to win. And then I think he's going to win the Open. Wow. Thank you. The hometown open.

Yes, the hometown open. But I think a lot of – he's going to be a lot of hype at the U.S. Open, and he's not going to win, and then he's going to win at the open. I mean, what a – what a – What a scene that would be. Yeah, sign me up for that year. I will admit, I was pretty close to taking Tommy on a couple of these. Everybody seems to be coming around.

I think I would have gotten pretty upset with you. You would have done that. But Randall, these are all great men. But this is like, yeah, you are all great men. That's true. Solly, who are yours? I want you to pick the Grand Slam for Scotty, just picking for all four. I thought about that too.

That might be coming later. But anyways, uh, Scotty's going to. win the master's course we can move fast on that one I played with Tommy Fleetwood at Aronimic in 2018 he shot 60 in a practice round I had Bryson in there and I'm changing this on the spot because I realized I said Tommy's going to win a major this year

and I didn't pick him to have one so I'm putting Tommy for the PGA I think he's going to go get after it there I am going Scotty at the US Open I think he probably went out by six or seven and then just just got Neil, you picked him to win a major last year and I kind of laughed at it and then he was kind of in contentioned. I forget which one it was, but Matt Fitzpatrick. Matt Fitzpatrick, I think is going to win the Open Championship next year. Sneaky, been back to being a really,

really good player and I just think he's probably going to win an open in his time. I love it. That'd be fun. Okay. That's mine. Randy, you got the next category. Yeah, so I tasked you guys. My question is one male. one female 2026 is the most important season for whom and so Solly would you like me to kick it off I think maybe we snake it back to you and go around the horn

you tell me how you'd like to run answers I'll go first if you want my answers are boring but I have that being Roy McElroy is the most important year How did you want this answer now that I read it back. It's like, who is it the biggest year for? Like, who's got the most to prove?

Yeah, okay. Like, this season is a lot on the line. Kind of make or break for whom the most. Am I wording that correctly? Yeah, I wouldn't say make or break for Roy, but I'd most approve because like Rory and Brooks are tied at five majors. And I think Rory's chance to get to six is way better than Brooks's chance to get to six. And I think it's important that Rory gets to six somewhat quick before it starts piling up

again and and he dons himself again for another decade right and i'm not you know he made some comments afterward about like i'm freed up and and you know these things should come easy now and i'm like dude i don't think that's how it works uh with major championships and i didn't pick him to win a major this coming year but like i think it's an important year for like what we're going to get out of the remainder now he's accomplished the career grand slam how motivated are you uh which i think is a lot but like how how well are you going to be able to execute on that in an era now where some is so very clearly better than you. Like you have been like the dude for the majority of your career and someone is like a lot

better than the current version of you. Like let's see you answer that. I'm really curious if you answer that. I want you to fight. You are not statistically within a shot of Scotty Sheffler on a per round basis right now. Like close that gap this year. Even if you don't win a major, like close that. Like let's get you back into like, I'd like to have the discussion at some point this year.

Like is it Roy or Scotty the best who's playing better golf right now? as right now that feels far away but i think that's an important year for rory um so that's my pick it's a compelling case and on the women's side it's nelly and i that's probably a default answer for a lot of people but after the really strong year she had last year where it looked like a leap uh and falling back this year and not getting a win and well that's it's it's important i think it's important for her to answer the bell this year you could say gino as well like to win the major as well but gino just had such an outstanding year that like it it you know i need nelly to bounce back that's a boring answer but that's that's probably a common one but that's it's it's important year for her

i'll pick it up i'll start with nelly i mean important to me personally on the road to 11 we gotta start getting it done nelly i need it i need some meal famously set the over under for nelly career majors at 11 uh after she won her first yeah Deli, we're going to need you start coming in on weekend. I have some community with you there with the Morikawa. I got to have it, Nellie, okay? We all need it. Thank you.

So we'll just leave that there. And then I was torn around with three names. I was torn around with Victor Hovland, Zander Shafley, but I think it's John Rom for me. And the reason is Rom has so much fewer opportunities to like, this is his prime. And so he's got to get, I didn't pick him to win a major. He played well last year.

I mean, he's top three in data golf. I mean, he's still playing really, really good. But he's not doing much for the resume of the past couple years. And it's like he's got to go. You know, he's got to like he's got to become Bryson. You know what I mean? Like you got to be like a dude. And so I just think because he has so, he can't win the tour championship.

Like there's not a lot of resume building for him. He's got to. I don't think the tour championship is doing that much. No, but you know what I'm trying to say like he can't win the player. I can't win the... Careful. Yeah, careful with that one. Seriously.

Your honor. I meant by that, like, he can't win a players. You can't, you know, there's not a lot of stuff he can do to Pat his, his resume. It's not a Ryder Cup year. So it's like, he's only got real four chances to, like, show us something. I think that's, that makes his, um, what he has to prove, like, I don't know, less opportunities is, is kind of what I'm going for there. You could do a breaking 50 with Bryson, though, like that make a, you know, then you got five.

but hoblin and zander for me the reason i was thinking for them is like guys you guys have the talent like are you going to elevate are you going to stay with the peloton are you going to go with with rory and chephler and and right now fleetwood like are you going to make a jump here let me jump in for a second you know because i i had rom as well and i think the only thing to add is it feels like there's it feels like things kind of settled into pretty interesting tiers over the last year right where you you have scotty you know, really like you said, Zahli is in a tier of his own,

but it's Scotty and Rory and really at Tommy, like at the end of last year were kind of the guys. They had the three really, really good seasons. You have a couple guys kind of hanging out in no man's land, but not really, like Morikawa, maybe,

but a lot of the other guys kind of bumped down into that, like, you know, can't lay J.T. Spieth, Max, unfortunately, I probably throw Hovlin in there

where it's like, I'm not really thinking about you guys quite as much. And I don't really know where ROM is. Like you said, he's, he's playing good enough golf on paper. He's playing spreadsheet golf, right? That it's like, yeah, no, I think you're, I think you're supposed to be up here, but I can't really say why.

And you had a kind of good year at the majors, but I didn't really think about you. A cool back nine at Quill Hollow. Yeah, you know, and it's still he melted down. Justin Herbert. I don't know. It's just very interesting. And I'm with you that, like, I think you said it perfectly. Like the lack of opportunities is like, man, we got to, we got to kind of get it now if we're

going to do it so much pressure like i feel like he puts a lot of pressure on himself with those and i think bryson just like was ready to thrive in those situations knowing those four uh that's wild tc well teach well your your yeah dege did you have yeah i did i was yeah i think nellie and gino kind of spring to mind is as pretty you know first ballot answers uh randy let me know if i'm off base with this one but i was trying to think of like who else would be on that kind of best player without a major list. And Nasa Hataoka came to mind as somebody who is, you know, has a very good resume, has won seven times, but is like quite a bit older than Gino, right? I think she's five or six

years older than her. And it's, it's kind of one of those situations where the, you know, the clock just starts to tick a little louder the older you get in the women's game. And that's where it's like, Gino, yeah, yeah, you got to get one, you know, you got to go win a major. It's like, gosh, she's 22 years old also. You know, like that'll come. But for someone like Nasa, it does get late a little bit earlier. And she hasn't, I don't think it's at a top 10 in the last two years at a major. It's just been a pretty missing person at the majors for somebody who's so accomplished.

Well, the thing I'll add to that, DJ, I think to add a little bit more intrigue is Nasa is, like you said, a little older. And that new wave of Japanese talent, you know, she's kind of not. really even like the top three best Japanese women anymore all of a sudden. So yeah, if she wants to kind of keep up with the best of her country women, it's a big year for it for sure. On the Gino note too, Deach's like level of talent comparatively, but like, they look like Patty Tabithaniket, who got in and won a major, like in her window of being one of the top players and like fell off after that.

Like it's not a guarantee that Gino's going to be healthy and one of the top players in the game over the next three years from right now. So like her window might be really wide open for a long period time, but also might not. You just never know that. That's why that pressure to get that first one is so massive.

Mr. TC. All right. A lot of directions. We could go here. I'm really overwhelmed by this question because you can take it in a very objective manner and say, yeah, Zander, even Ludwig.

Spieth, Wyndham, you know, like from a, from a PR perspective. Mickelson with Sable offshore. I feel like he's got a lot riding on that, not even golf. And you probably, right? Your, your Slack message was prescient. Like, Sable has been up. It's up like 150% since I sent that message. Tom Kim, he's at risk of being the forgotten man.

Sahed, like Sahed might lose his fucking card at some point. Dude, you know what I did glean from TGL? Sahit doesn't look good. That was, there was a bad, bad shot. Max, I think I'm buying stock in Max, but it's an important year for him. Max is 35. He's not, he's not a spring chicken, right? Adrian Dumont dates your sart.

All of those guys. He was on my list, too. And then Colin Morikawa, I think, needs to stem the tide of, like, bad PR and just, you know, show some glimmer of likeability, if not form. But I'll tell you who 2026 is most important for. Sam Flood at NBC Sports They need to Because it is make or break time

Because if Rollap doesn't like What they've got going on They're going to get shuffled out And cut out of the mix Pretty quickly I think in this new New World Order God that was Vin

This is that TC I mean that this is vintage That was such a good reveal I mean that was that was like That was good television right there I did not see that cut Like you cross the spectrum McCall first and then you went with a TV

producer. Yeah, whip it across eight lanes in traffic. And you landed the plane, you made the exit. You know, I think, I think Sam, I don't think it's all Sam's fault that the, that the telecasts haven't been good and CBS has totally laughed them. I think it's a matter of

resources and, in larger corporate strategy at NBC Comcast. But man, like it's just the product has to get better. And I think there's a, there's a group of people in place at the tour now with roll app and like they've got this new guy coming in from from MLB Chris Chris Marinac I think like people who actually understand

what what the product actually is and they will figure it out real quick of like all right like we got to we got to fix this this is this is part of it it seems like that's what Craig Kessler is figuring out very quickly at the LPGA tour of like hey we're going to fix our product first and foremost, and then we can get more people in the boat once we have a good product to sell them and get them hooked on. So, you know, your ass is, your ass is in the jackpot right now, bud. Step it up. It's so funny. And on the LPGA side, T.C. Even more direction. Yeah. No, I mean, LPGA side, like, you guys nailed it with Gino and Nelly. I had three. And I don't think Rose rises to this level yet because I think this is like a, you know, this is a big year for her, but I don't think it's like a, a decisive year for her. It's either Lynn Grant. She turns 27 this year. And I've predicted massive, massive success for her. And it's just not happening or or Charlie Hall. It's starting to get late early for Charlie if she can't cash in one of these opportunities. So I'll go. I'll go with win though. I think Lynn. I think Lynn.

is like we got to see she had the one win this past year but I'd like to see multi wins or a major love it I love watching play golf yeah and it's a big I mean it's a big spot as well like like I think for team golf this year

there's a big spot for like Max like Max has to play well this year to get on that president's cup team I think that's essential for him to get back on the Ryder Cup team for Ireland I think like with Lynn Lynn needs to play well go into that Solheim

Cup in Amsterdam with some momentum and carry that that European team forward Netherlands it's not an Amsterdam I wish it was in Amsterdam it's well yeah well I think they're like outside of Amsterdam but I think everybody's going to stay in Amsterdam and train out exactly

good shit there TC I might need to get a blinker Cody we might need to get a blinker for TC if he starts really going just hit the blinker and he can I mean that was good stuff though I mean oh I know it's great guys I'm going to pick my spots this year but you're still going to get some of those spots all right that was a good vintage well let me let me make

the case for Gino because you guys I mean you guys have mentioned her I think yes it is important for her to win that first major I think it's a breakthrough but I also think that breakthrough could really knock down the flood walls for what she's done the last two seasons as an age 21 and 22 year old on the LPGA tour 37 starts 26 top tens five wins on the LPGA a few more worldwide player of the year this year var trophy winner low scoring average this year I think the opportunity for Gino is to start hunting like generational greats right is she the next lorena Ochoa for instance you know can can her best five year span be counted among the truly all-time grades i think onica is like in a in a class really all by

herself like you go back and look at her win totals and top tens and it's like holy shit man there's but but i think i think gino has a chance to like if she wins five six times wins a major two this year then all of a sudden like the next three four years you can start dreaming of like No, she's it for like this generation that we're in right now on the LPGA tour. So I think it's a very, very interesting year for her and an important year for her. I feel like you're trying to sell Neil a time share right now. I didn't realize there was this much problem. I got to throw a flag real quick.

Is it 11.5? Is it 12 and a half? You're talking about hunting down generational, like the best players in the history of the game. He hasn't won't a fucking major. yet. I know, but she's 22. And she's been a pro for like five years though, too. And a really good one. I think that's one. I think that's my point. Isn't 22 in the men's game. No, but you go back and look at, you know, like somebody like

Onica, she wasn't doing anything at 22 on the LPGA tour. I don't know the age when Lorena really broke out. And she burned bright, but very quickly. My, my whole point is I, like what we've seen from Gino could just be the prelude to another level. And if she gets to that other level, that's when we're really starting to talk about like, holy shit, like this is one of the all-time greats. And to get there,

we need a big 2026. So I'm not arguing like, yes, she hasn't won a major. I'm just getting excited about like, if we are going to go up to that like generational level, I think 2026 is big. I also,

I think the other thing to consider there, is when you look at her Wikipedia page and her just where the yellow is. She missed the cut at the U.S. Women's Open last year at Aaron Hills, which should have been a great fit for her. She's T-30 at the women's British. She's missed two out of the last three cuts at the U.S. Women's Open.

She's stacked up top tens at the Evian. And... Which slats? Like, she's got... Yeah, like the Evian, it's moving. And we'll get there later in the show. But I just think that there's a little bit of cotton candy there with some of her major finishes.

I think we're actually, like, in agreement there. I think that also feeds into why 2026 is important for her. I don't disagree with that at all, TC. I guess I'm more trying to make the case of if she is going to be generational, I think this could be a huge springboard year for her. On the men's side, Randy. I, okay, I had a runner up, Tommy. I'm so curious to see what he does after getting,

that monkey off his back on the PGA tour last year having a fantastic writer cup but I didn't pick him as my guy I think Ludwig for for the reasons mentioned I come back to speed and I'm like you're 32 years old like is it really going to end like this is like is it all over are you is there a second act in the drama I'm asking that in February I I just can't imagine like you're just not going to be a dude at all ever again it makes me sad if that's the case and so man come on jordan let's let's give me something to believe in i i think 2026 is big let's let's get back on the track and and show me that you're like a top 10 golfer in the world god i don't know if i don't think anything would make me happier

yeah i don't know if i thought about jordan ahead of this episode i hate that like it sucks right because it's not like 45 he's so young i had to go back through by my my D.Eves, but the Connor Belcastro, a friend of ours who plays pro golf at Sea Island. I hope he doesn't mind me airing this out, but I was, we just talk about Spieth, and I

sent him this golf week link. The headline, I don't know if you guys remember this, it was a couple weeks ago, but Jordan Speeth is pursuing, quote, the structural integrity of my swing, end quote. Carter just said, I think I've said those exact words before playing some of the worst golf of my whole life.

It just really, that really hit me. I was just like, man, I got so pumped to see that quote, Jordan Speed pursuing the structural integrity of my swing. Like, hell yeah. They're like, oh, wait, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. What are we about to do right now?

Yeah, no idea. That was sweeter when he bounces back. That's right. That's right. All right. All right. All right. My prop, pick someone currently inside the top 10 in Data Golf,

the data golf rankings that will fall the farthest this year. The current top 10, gentlemen. is Scotty Sheffler, Tommy Fleetwood, this is in order, John Rom, Rory McElroy, Ben Griffin, Russell Henley, Zander Shoffley, J.J. Spahn, Bryson D. Chambot, and number 10 is Matt Fitzpatrick, which looks very different than it did in January of 2025. But place your bets. We'll start. Randy, let's start with you. We'll go go you to T.C. okay um i feel like this is the safest pick which makes me a little like i'm sorry to to take this off the board but i think it's ben griffin like i just really now what i thought you were going to say well i think clearly the second best player in the world for the last six months straight that's right and ranks very high in the great man index i i just think ben griff doesn't mean anything

call it call it his first breakout i'm worried like i know it's not like a sophomore slump per se there's just i don't think there's much room to go up you know if this is a stock i like i think he's hitting his head on the ceiling so the only way he can go is down and so like of these other names maybe a russ henley maybe a jj spawn but like i i feel like i'm just kind of making the safe bet here with ben griffin okay tc Um, I hate to do it just because I love his game. And he had a great year even beyond his win last year. Like he played awesome in the summer. Um, but I think Russ Henley, I just think like the, the odds are stacked against him from a course setup perspective, from an age perspective, from just a lot of things. And he's been doing it at a high level for so long. And I think he falls, but I don't think he falls precipitously. I think he's just, just falls into that you know top 30 bucket instead of top 10 bucket and then and then arrests that and then probably stays there or or improves once again but like just seeing how well

he played last year and the fact that he's at sixth just leads me to believe like all right if he goes through a little bit of a slump like he's going to fall pretty far you don't think he's got the floor like the distance floor to keep it from you know i wonder tc with guys like him if there's going to be any kind of like chasing distance wild card in the next couple years depending on how things start to feel with the rollback stuff yeah you know if like are guys like him that are are markedly shorter than the rest of their peers going to use the next two years at all like he's got all the job security in the world right from a a great year last year do any of those guys use the next two years to try to

gird themselves against any kind of rollback and add distance and you know that road is obviously littered with all kinds of but if you're not doing it you're losing everybody's doing it like everybody's getting faster so just say for someone like that that's starting at such a

disadvantage already it's you have to yeah it's another interesting wrinkle teach who you got I will go where I thought Randy was going to go and I'll try to make the case and I think that's JJ spawned. I hate to do it to him. I

had a genuinely good time watching him last year. I thought he had a great year a T.C., I thought that's where you were going to. Great year outside of his win, you know? Played well and hung around and had a good summer even after winning the U.S. Open. But to throw a little math on it, he was a plus

1.6 player this year. That's twice as good as his previous best. So if we're looking for outliers, you know, if he falls back to that previous best even that puts them down in like the like low 40s uh on tour near kind of the riko hoey's and garikago's uh i think you could probably split the difference so yeah and even if you do that's probably a pretty solid season but that it would be a

a fall uh from where he is and randy the only you know thing i'd throw at you is just jj spawns 35 and ben griffins 28 29 something like that so it's that that's that's what that's why i'm voting with that it's you know no offense to j j spawn but that's where that's where i'm i'm placing my chips i'm looking at spawn in henley yeah i'll follow you right there and like the the griffin argument like griffin added speed last year and like that like was in line with his rise like it was pretty much the same exact time when he started hitting 180 ball speed he started winning on the pGA tour so i'll buy up i'll continue to hoover up griffin stock and spawn i i like the guy i really really really impressed with what he's done. I don't think he's going to fall off.

I just think he's going to be like a low ones player compared to that 1.6. You mentioned there, Deage, which is still like tough to be a shot per round better on average than the PJ Tor average. Like, it's really hard, especially when you don't hit it far. But I think he's the most likely guy to fall from there. How about if you're Scotty and you're more than twice as good as that? That's pretty wild. Spont is like 60 second in driving. Like he seemed like he'd be shorter. But can you imagine averaging 306 yards off the T and being in 61 guys hitting it farther than you?

I had Spawn as well, but Bryson's trend is so stinky. You can see it on this graphic. I mean, I think, you know, he might be, again, he's working on some stuff in the lab, you know, as he told us. Yeah, none of the breaking stuff is accounted in these numbers. That's right. But Spahn, just with the age stuff. And I got to feel like he's thrilled. I was thinking Russ, too, but Russ is.

I don't know, he's proven that there's a floor on how far, like, I don't think he's going to fall off the map. Now, I did want to ask you guys, how many of these guys, like, are in the top 10 right now, we're there in January of 25, so last year at this time. Oh, you put the list back up, Cody? Like, five, half? Maybe four? Yeah, I'll say, I'll say six. Yeah, I was just getting to six.

Five. You guys were correct with five. So, Scotty, yes. Scottie, Fleetwood was 10. Rom was two. Roy was four. He didn't move. Zander was three. Bryson, no? Bryson was not in the top 10.

Whoa. Oh, no, he was. He was nine. That's the fifth. Sorry. So the top 10 in January of 2025 was a descending order. Number 10, Fleetwood, number nine, Sung-J, number eight. Ludwig number seven uh Hatton six Hedekhi five Morikawa four Rory three Xander two rom one Scotty so that's six of those guys who fell the farthest out of the you know basically this exercise if we did it last year who failed who fell the farthest Sung Jay that's correct I'm still shook from Sunjay had such a back here

hundred and all he's through the jeopardy episode yeah I haven't stopped things thinking about that since no what did i say he was like he was second to last or something and strokes gained approach i mean it's just horrid year with the irons uh and then hatton fell to 32 um let's see morcawa fell to 27 from five bedecki from six to 18 and then for the current top 10 matt's fitzpatrick started at 48 and he's down into the top 10 so he's the uh he's made the biggest drop ben griffin was 41 oh sorry j j spawn was 70 The biggest drop. The biggest drop.

Rise. So that was, found that interesting. Current notable ranking speed is 46, Randy. And the date of golf rankings right now. JT. 22, max is 99th. And Team Rose is 37.

That was higher than I thought it would be. But also makes sense. Anybody that you guys are like, think is going to just, outside of that is going to, like, what are we doing with Hovlin this year? I have no idea, man. I'm deferred.

to the second half on that one tc just no clue no like not even a remember he just pulled the valse bar out of his ass last year he didn't even know how like bird boxed it like I don't know I'm just gonna find my way

what do you think he's gonna do I have no idea it's the same thing I think yeah it's it's crazy I don't know I'm kind of I kind of think you might surprise us and I hope so yeah I hope so come in like with some sanity I think the guy that I think is gonna fall off

the cliff just watching his swing up close at tour championship it just just doesn't seem like it's trending in the right direction is can't lay and i can't see him aging all that well body wise either yeah back is tough and yeah like the recent i think like i think it's trending downwards a bit and yeah of course he withdrew from the of course tgl opening night you know take us to your uh your game tc yeah all right so what do you guys like i i've I love thinking about just the major season at large of where are we going. Where are we going?

You know, how many of these, you know, what we've got the, both the U.S. Women's Open, U.S. Open, both the open championships, and then the KPMG Women's PGA and the PGA championship, moving around. So you've got six tournaments that move around. But you've also have the Chevron moving to Memorial Park. So new venue for that. And then you've got, you know, the, the stalwart venues of Evian. You don't know the name of the course.

And Augusta National, right? So I guess, yeah, like, let me just lead the group in this discussion of here's where I'm at and you call, like, you throw flags if. So we'll go, we'll go one to four. One is circled above and beyond. Like, this is, this is the supreme level. two is banger above average this year for majors generally not just for that major three is it's fine or I'm cautiously optimistic and four is legitimately concerned that this might stink or that we're headed somewhere that we don't like okay so uh number one I am going to uh I'm going

to Augusta I think Augusta is going to be a banger again like I think it's it's just it not last year was awesome it's you know honestly you could have given that a four and i wouldn't have been surprised either you're just an artist with this i could have gone anywhere with that uh i think the other number ones i think are the u.s women's open at riviera yeah i'm fascinated to see the ladies play that place in prime time uh in a different time of the year than we typically see riviera like i remember a few years ago when they had the us am there in august and seeing it dried out and firmer and tighter

it was great and I think it's just a cool test for the ladies as well I'm fascinated to see how they set it up so I think that's the other that's the other four and I think that's those are the only two right now I had one more

not fours oh one sorry once yes yeah yeah I had I would throw shinny in there that's what I had is one of my favorite U.S. Hope

venue. Yeah. Okay. I agree. I had it kind of right between one and two. Like it's, it's, Randy,

I won't let you give it a one with your approach with this version of the USGA and how they set up golf courses. Like, you're setting yourself up to be disappointed. Like, it's going to be above average. It's one of the only hopes we have left. Yeah.

But they, they're not going to lose the golf course. You're the dreaming of 2018 and 04. That's not going to happen. So you got to take that down a peg. Class reunion, though, you know, you get to go back,

relive some of the good memories. Spencer Levine I just don't want to see you get hurt I mean it's just great I've seen you get hurt too many times and I don't want to see you get hurt I love our guy Stanford White doing the clubhouse

you know we watch for that in a future episode it's uh did you have another one or or just that one no I had Shinnecock as well those are those are my three masters Shinnecock and Riviera Sully

I would just I would say Riviera and the masters are my top tier Neil no argument okay number So two, I had Chinnickok. Yeah, I had Shinnecock.

I had the AIG women's open at Royal Libham. I think he's going to, that course rules. I think it's such a cool major championship venue. It's thinking man's golf course and thinking women's golf course and cool test for the ladies. You guys, I was going to say, you guys have seen it. Saul, you got, I remember last fall or whenever we, you got me really excited in that. It might even be a venue that, like, really sets up even better for the women's game, it sounds like. I think so.

There's 250, two bunkers or something like that on that golf course, and they play a lot bigger than, you know, like the whole exercise is avoiding these bunkers. And it's quaint and it's twisting that the final stretch is like no matter which direction the wind blows, it's awkward for at least part of it. And we saw it with Adam Scott just completely melt down in that section. and it's just a my only concern i guess is i i i don't the women are so accurate i don't know how big those bunkers and how how much in the line of play they're going to actually be and that's a small concern though because if the wind blows even a little bit uh it's just a a chess match kind of golf course that is right up right up a lot of our alleys yeah it sounds great thank you um yeah so i got that i had i had the u s open at schenicock in that same thing of

like this is above average it's awesome like you know it's not generational we could see it's like it's on the rhoda um but you know excited and then uh listen i've got just because i'm excited about it i've got burkdale too i think burkdale is awesome and then i've got yeah yeah okay there we go there we go place right yeah all right and like it's sally it's because overseed though i don't yeah even then it's just It's Overseed, though. Come on, like, you're the Oversee guy. I need that out of my soundboard.

No, overseed, no. Yeah, you got to add that to the soundboard. Again, I don't want to see you guys get hurt, man. You hate Overseed. I think it's a better venue than... Dust is overseed, Sallor. What do you say to that? Fair point.

Fair point. A little different maintenance program they have there, I think. But it's better. It's definitely better. But I think it's going to be optimistic. year probably not hopefully you know maybe it's a three next year where it's it's it's fine or I'm cautiously optimistic but for this year it's something different we've been begging for it sure for the last however long and again way better than Carlton Woods doesn't for me rise to

the level of two I'm cautiously optimistic it's going to be a better venue for sure again I just don't want you get heard about the overseas are you guys with me on burkdale I think burkdale is just it tests like every club in your bag and I think it's a good open championship venue. Can I be totally honest with you guys? Full vulnerability corner here. I have never been to that part of the world and Berkdale and Lidtham still are,

I remember the opens a little bit, but they're still feel very blind to me. Randy, someone else in the class usually feels the same way. I remember Jordan and his drop and, but I don't, yeah, Tej, I'm like, I don't really know these golf courses at all. I'm a non-voting member on the open.

I do always enjoy, right. The open is at two regardless of where it's at. I put them both in there, but I don't, I can't really explain why. I can go either way with it. It's an above average majors, I love the open. I don't think it's an above average open venue. Like, it's a totally, like, there's no bad ones. That's always the conversation around the open venues.

But I think like, Trune, Berkdale back to back is, you know, I guess that's not, sorry, we went, we were Port Rush this year. Burkdale's good. It's like close to average. for me of open road of venues like not a not not above average open road of venue for me okay so so that's a three for you then i think so i think so i'm optimistic like it's still going to be a very good tournament i'm i'm really interested to see what you did with tier three here and and tier three i only have one one okay one tournament uh can i guess oh evi oh really i'm leaning into the evian i think it's i think it's it's given us absolute chaos the last few years we know

what it is. It's fine or I'm cautiously optimistic and I kind of like that it puts the ladies on their back feet and there's just some weird lives and shots and yeah, cool finish and all that. It's just, it's been unexpectedly good

the last couple of years and so I'm going to ride with that. I love that TC and I'm totally there with you and like doing a 180 on Evian. I think, I think it's still in the four category. No, no, no. I think it's a three for me too i i was going to say of all the women's major venues

in this specific instance only it's like augusta in that there are uh eagles to be made down the stretch and you can you make a mistake and there's a bogey like there are wide variances of scores down the stretch so you're never like truly out of it which i think's exciting and i think part of why Evian has had such a low opinion in our minds is NBC that broadcast freaking sucks. If it was like a really good broadcast at that course, I think that place would pop.

So, yeah. Good takes, Randy. All right. I think you should go. Anything else you guys would put in. Let me just reveal my four and then we can Well, I think there's only two left, right? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's the PGA championship and the Ming. Because I think if they get rain, like, I think if it rains a bunch I don't think they can stretch that place far enough out.

I think there's some really, really middling, mediocre holes in the front end or middle of that round. And I just don't, it's just not doing a whole lot for me. And I like having a major in Philly. I think Philly is one of the best golf cities in the world. I just don't know if this is, if this is the course that. I was going to throw this one into three cautiously optimistic because I feel like you're with the crowds and stuff. I mean this is I think you're in for like a good finish

Birdy Fest you're like like Valhalla was exciting at the end I know it wasn't like you know Got making it wasn't exciting at all No at the end I'm saying You know just like the you know Sunday back nine of the major Zander was standing in a bunker that was at grade

It was at the same grade I was just with all the Bryce and stuff I thought it was I thought it was exciting I mean Scotty got arrested that was cool I put I put Hayler Oh, see, though. And then, all right, so, all right, I would be fine with moving, moving the PJ and Aronimic up to three. I think that, I think anything at Hazel team these days is a fucking abomination,

especially the fact that the PGA of America isn't letting them renovate, redo the golf course. So after the Ryder Cup. I think, I think you're on fine ground to say legitimate concerns with Aronimic. I think that's, that's, I don't think you're saying that it's going to stink. I think it's like, hey, caution flag here. Because I think you also got to view everything for 2026 for the PJ of America through the lens of what we just experienced for 2025 and say like, hey, I don't have faith that you're going to nail this setup.

I really, really don't. So I'm kind of with you. And the weather stuff too. But at least I guess we're optimistic, at least the course I haven't seen since 2018. You know, like it's not like I like that. That was, I just don't. There's just not enough length on the, I don't know why they went here before a rollback. I don't, but we'll see.

I have the same concerns, T.C. I really do. And even when they announced it, I remember thinking, holy shit, they're going to tear that place up in five years, six years. I thought they were going to redo it again before then, you know, when we played it in 2018, it was like, oh, this is kind of short. Yeah.

So. I think you're good. Neal's guy Keegan won. It's a good list. Overall, a good list, T.C. I feel like, you know, I can quibble with one or two slight, but yeah, that's a good list. I kind of might need you to do this for the whole, like, to our schedule.

This is kind of electric. Yeah, I like that. All right. So we finish it out. Yeah. Yeah. I put the last one on here, pivoting to the personal golf a little bit.

I just kind of wanted to name some names. You know, we did our personal golf goals kind of as part of the the trap draw goals podcast. Go listen to that if you're interested. Everybody had a lot of very specific goals. I just wanted to ask, who do you want to beat in a match this year?

You know, I was thinking about it. everybody always says push i'm sure he's going to be on some lists uh that's always like a flying handicap now it's not really sporting it's not sporting to beat up on push anymore uh yeah so randy i'll start with you just who's on your who's on your big board who do you get circled up on the court board of your office well uh push of course is always up there and the other one that's always up there for me is my brother-in-law good bar but i was trying to think of a of a new name and uh i

candidly i'm not sure i'm going to get an opportunity to play this person but our good friend lane sharts yeah i think would be such a very enjoyable to beat in a match but yeah as tc says he's like he's got those rat tendencies and it'd be a very tough randy at least i thought he had those rat tendencies invited into my member guest down here in florida he played awful truly abysmal so two rats don't make it right apparently that's right that's a good one that's a good nomination tc yeah uh i've got so i've got two i've got one from each side of the ball i want to beat tommy fleetwood left-handed this year that's good uh Tommy hit me he has to play left-handed too or you yeah yeah yeah both been left-handed i hope your other one

is the answer that i'm hoping i really do i don't think it is i don't think it is solid i want to play you at live them okay i want to get you in the galaxy brain thunder dome strategy a g you know i think that would be a really good match i'm down for that i wanted you to say i wanted you want to you want to be a guest on riggs's hater series because i still think i've thought about that before like yeah there there does need to be a riggs tc match or if i pick the left handed sticks back up i think i can beat riggs left hand he's playing right in and i'm playing left ended there it is uh i'll go next uh i got i want to be ben uh i i i got i got to be ben uh i i i got to beat him. He has destroyed me

when we've gone head to head. And I would like to I'm starting to feel a little confidence come back. I'm starting to feel like a path back to being a decent golfer. I think consistency is going to be my calling card, but I think I could beat him and I would like to do that.

I think it's going to be really interesting to you might need to get a third party tournament committee involved there. I don't know what the venue is going to be. You know, Bermuda. Bermuda Ben was not into the Friscoe stuff. and chipping and you know he couldn't he couldn't quite solve that I think you you might have his number there but you know if we take you like I don't know I don't know you you don't want to

get something too similar to his home setup you got to kind of be a I would say it's like the writer cup too much home field advantage then the key that's true now yeah TGL again that could be another good sofi center uh idea uh Neil who you got this is Bennett Shinikoff well I was TC to the to the uh the 2026 match yes I kind of have my long match if people People didn't hear that one. What was that? Basically, I just want to play a match for the entire year. We need Arcos to help us track that.

Every time T.C. and I are on site together. We could be in different groups, but we're playing the same course the same day. But we'll just play a match for the whole year. So it could be like, and just a running match. So it's not like, you know, in 18 whole increments. And we don't know how long the match is going to be. I don't know how many times we're going to play with you. I didn't hear no bell situation.

Yeah. Keep going. Or does someone want to run out the clock if they're way up? Like, I don't think that would be sporting, but I'm looking forward to that. Solly, I'd love to get a match, but we didn't play hardly any golf last year. I know. I always love going to battle against you. So I'll say you two.

All right. With strokes or without? I mean, probably with, but maybe, maybe not. If you get a thrill out of that, that's great. That's one. We can totally do that. I mean, what are you? Like a plus one?

I'm a 0.1 right now. all right I'm gonna kick his ass yeah yeah I'm headed I'm confident I'm headed towards plus though I'm going there

I found it yeah found it that overseed though get him on that overseed you know I love my overseed you guys should go do it at Memorial Park

oh that'd be sick on the overseed got to be during the overseed period Deach I'll shout out our good friend AJ Ellis my nemesis here in Milwaukee and he's just completely

a bit of a Rory Scottie situation was really fun at first and then he just completely left me in the dust to the point that we kind of like would get to like the sixth hole and it's like this one's a blowout too right like we're not even you know are we really even playing a match anymore

and so I just need to I need to reassert myself and kind of get back in back in his atmosphere and take him down that would be meaningful to me so we'll make that happen at some point this year hopefully all right last call this has got to be quick we got to get through this quick just make the call and drop the mic just one big gut call this is in the year of the gut this

could be absolutely anything but i need a gut call i'm going to start with randy randy look ready with a one big gut call well it's a bit contradictory but i gave serious serious serious thought and i think it's really in play that scotty could have a look at tiger's slam, Scotty Slam at Shinnecock. And I think he could do it. I'll just go, I'll follow that. I think, I think it is non-zero chance Scotty wins the Grand Slam. Like I didn't pick him to win all four, but like, I think this is, I think you want to dial

it in a little bit. I think that's really, that's right. I think we're going to do will Scotty win the Grand Slam at some point this year. I think that's a, that's the gut call. I know that's going to happen. That's, yeah. I just did it. God, I had three.

I had three, and I didn't know which door I was going to open here. So I just was going to go follow my heart. I'm going to go with option three. Andrew Novak wins a signature event on the PJ tour this year. Okay. That fits the category for sure. Get them to Medina. Get them on the team.

Get them to Medina or a playoff event, signature event or a playoff event. That counts. Neil. I think Max gets back involved. I think Max Homer gets back in the mix this year. I think a man that's come back. Is he going to win one? Yeah, yeah.

You're right, you're right, you're right. You're right. You're right. Well, I was kind of tossing around a kombucha take. Like, there's going to be a big scandal on the PGA tour. Like something about that situation, but I was like, no, it's actually shaped up to be a pretty capitalist situation. Yeah, I thought there's going to be a situation. I was like, I don't want to put my name on that.

That's putting bad stuff in the world. I don't root for that. Yeah, I think, but Max, he's not going to win a major, but Max wins a tournament this year for sure. that's a bad take bulletin board for a guy that I love it yeah TC I am nervous I'm nervous too

I don't really know I was gonna say something about the schedule like you know the 27 schedule being released and we all we all kind of dig it I think Phil Mickelson

contends it a major that's a goal that's a bold call that fits the category contends you might contends your international team wins the president like he's in like one of the final groups on Saturday and Sunday

Wow Phil's interesting and TC it's at Shinnoc come on oh I'll give it that baby all right I'm moving us towards wrapping because I have been downing these highnoons and I really got to pee but thank you everyone for

tuning into the first live show of the year we're going to have a new podcast out this Tuesday diving into why we're not watching golf a Cappalo this week which sucks. We haven't going to talk about that on this episode, but we'll talk about that plenty this week. Do I have it right in Nebraska's coming out Wednesday? Do I have that right?

We're the TBD. Okay. We're working towards getting into brass. I don't think it's coming out this week. We're going to, it'll come. Any news on that front will come from me and my team. Much like Bryson.

Yeah, I don't know. That thing is going to be awesome. And we just want to make sure we're spit-shund. And you YouTube channel remains the best place to chase greatness. That's right. We see you play. Eric. On that note, I'm going to sign us off.

Thank you, for everyone that tuned in live. We're excited to bring a year of content. One last thing. No, I'm not doing it because I want to give Cody a shout out. Cody's five-year anniversary with no laying up. First Monday of January is tomorrow.

So I think it's tomorrow. Who knows what the actual date is? Cody probably does, but I don't. But Cody, I appreciate you, brother. And I want to give you a massive shout out. We couldn't do this without you. Thank you. Appreciate it,

Cheers. Thank you very much, Neil. That was well done, Neil. All right. Thank you guys for... I thought you were going to say what I was doing this past weekend, Neil, get my location away.

Busy stuff. Anyway, it's all I get us out of here. Thank you for tuned in. We'll have a Sunday episode next week, even though there is no golf this week. And we'll be... We got a bunch of great stuff playing for the early part of this year.

So thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll see it back here next week. Cheers. Recall. Overseed.