No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1107: Best Players Without a Major + Weekly Recap

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Soly, TC and DJ update our current top ten players without a major list and touch on the latest news and notes from around pro golf including Brooks Koepka’s potential reinstatement, Derek Sprague��s resignation as the CEO of the PGA of American, the WTGL announcement, Blockie signing with Malbon, Vijay Singh cashing in on  his career money list exemption, PGA Tour rule changes for 2026, LIV promotions, and more. Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠ Support our Sponsors: Titleist Rhoback SoFi Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 04:30 - Koepka reinstatement process 17:00 - Sprague resignation 26:30 - WTGL 34:45 - Blockie x Malbon 39:45 - Vijay  47:00 - Tour rule changes 1:02:30 - LIV promotions 1:11:30 - Current top ten players without a major If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club today. Ronnie, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast, a somber, somber day here in Duval, T.C. How are we doing?

I'm all right. I think I'm booed by the fact that there are bright, bright days ahead, Sally. I think this team is head of Skisle. schedule and going at it just according to plan. I was like if you had to give a grade to this year, I would give it an A. I would too, but just never assume, never assume it's going to stay the same year every year in the NFL is just where I'm bummed, man. The AFC was wide open.

This was a good team, bad matchup, didn't get it done. I broke my rule today. I said the Jags will never ruin my Sunday. I had a bad Sunday, man. I was, I was bum. I just enjoy watching them. It's fun to look forward to every weekend. uh the bills the bills aren't very good either no offense bills fans and they like i don't think that's a

great yeah they got bang the fuck up today too like i i feel bad for them going to the next weekend but dj pie is here as well hello pie man greetings guys how are you uh doing uh doing good on this n tc condolences about your jags and your birds but congratulations on your 49ers uh and maybe your bears if you claim them as well uh yeah yeah good to be with you guys we got a lot to discuss tonight we're talk some of the news of the week, including Bruce Kepka has applied for reinstatement with the tour. Derek Sprague is stepping down from the PJ of America. We got WTGL news came out this week. Vijay Singh, Blockie Malbin. We got a lot to get to. Then on the back half, we are going to revisit our conversation from last year. Our now annual conversation of best players without a major. I'm hoping for some apologies.

I'm not expecting them. This is currently. This is today. As we record. We'll talk about the whole conversation. January 11th today. We will talk about it. As we're recording this, Titleist has officially announced the new ProV1X left dash golf ball landing in golf shops on January 24th. So Left Dash's profile.

It's ideal for guys that want a, or guys or gals, they want a higher ball flight like similar to the Prov1X, a firmer feel, but need dramatically less full swing spin to optimize their game. So Prov1X is going to have more spin. The left dash is going to have high launch, but very little.

spin and a very firm feel. So the original ProVuNX left dash launched on tour in 2018. It was aimed for players that were looking to maximize distance without, you know, sacrificing short game control, like the real control you need to compete on tour. And it checked all those boxes, like you're going to need enough spin to win a U.S. Open at Pioneers No. 2, which I believe happened. But some like inside baseball here, almost three years ago, Titleist had what they thought was going to be their final prototype and brought it out

to test with tour players, but ultimately it was kind of determined that that ball was not what that version of the left dash was not what players were looking for. Spin was creeping up too high and it kind of took away from what they wanted the DNA of the last dash to be. But Titleist walked away completely and went back to the drawing board. I think this is where Titleist product cycles, which we've talked about a little bit make a big difference. Like a lot of companies introduce a new product every year and they aren't as concerned if a product isn't delivering exactly what players are asked for and giving improved performance and walking away from a prototype so far downfield

was, I'm guessing, quite a tough decision, but it shows the commitment to getting the process right. If it's not better, it's not what players are asked for, they're not going to be bringing it out. So in the end result is a new dash. It's faster. It's more consistent through the air. It's longer.

It's everything dash players love and more. Go to Titles.com to see for yourself. And check out the video on Titles YouTube if you want of Neil testing left dash for the very first time. boy touching 184 ball speed with it i just i wouldn't i didn't know i knew he had 180 i didn't know he had 180 in the tank and i was it was it was it was hurt my feelings a little bit i always love the the real ones are really scoping out that title's youtube channel because whenever one of our videos drops over there the text you get from people who is like it's the real ball knowers who

was like all right so tell me like how much how much spin exactly did he drop i'm keeping charts over here like it's great i love the i love the people that always reach out after those videos Those videos. We can out him. It was Brent Rooker. Well, that one was specifically Brent. But I had some other people that reached out to you. But yeah, it was, Brent, I hope you're keeping the speed down, man.

I'm sure you got some serious speed through the zone. We need to keep that thing under control. Keep the spin down. Spend down. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, sorry. And maybe keep the speed down, depending on the situation. You know, I don't know what is, I don't know what kind of game he plays.

A lot to get into this week. So you've rattled it off kind of off the jump there. But I think the news of the day, news of the week, Brooks Kepka has a applied for PGA tour reinstatement. I believe this first came from Mark Schlebeck over at ESPN. We talked about this a lot on the last pod. You know, him obviously leaving LiveGolf with a year left on his contract. Didn't fully know what that was going to mean if he was going to just kind of try to

bounce around, maybe play the majors in a DP World Tour event here and there. But he has applied for reinstatement on the PGA tour. Wasn't immediately clear what was going to happen. I think we're in, I think we're an uncharted territory we can we can officially say there's been a couple of you know non-members that have gone over for an event or two and then come back and and you know had PJ tour status at varying levels but brooks is is certainly the most visible certainly the uh the biggest name uh as a nine-time winner on uh to to come back uh what do you guys what do you guys make of this what's saw i throw to you

first what was your initial reaction sounded very much what was in line with what i was expecting to happen when I heard that he was leaving. I understand he's got a, you know, had a very unfortunate and difficult family situation unfolded with his wife having a miscarriage at the end of last year. And there's, there's no light to be made of that. And I think the question was kind of out there, like, was he really stepping away to be with family or was he coming back to the PGA tour? And it wasn't, it wasn't, you know, the things that we had heard over the years weren't

that he just was unhappy with Liv. It was that he wanted to go play back on the PGA tour. Like, that was the complete version of it, right? So when we heard that he was leaving or found out that he was leaving, it was, I was of the belief that he was going to be going for this. And I don't think he would have left without knowing what the PGA tour was going to do. The PGA tour obviously knew this was going to happen. They had reached out to the PGA tour before this happened. Like something I believe we're speculating is going to be coming.

By the time this podcast comes out, there might be, you know, kind of some news or information about that coming from the PGA tour from what we've gathered. And I think we're going to see Brooks kept me playing golf rather quickly. Again, we touched on this a lot last week. The initial rules were made up under by a different commissioner, different model of the PGA tour. According to this article from Mark Slaybaw, the reinstatement of disciplinary process is beginning now, which is going to include thoughtful input from the board,

including player directors. That board is made up of different people now than when these rules were made. And I think it's a different decision tree. I think it was an effective model to say, if you leave the tour, you're suspended for a year to retain their talent. I think the tour feels like they've got the moat has grown in. You know, they've got some gaiters in the moat and people are a little bit more afraid of crossing the moat.

They got the walls up. I think they're not fearing, losing people. And they can kind of go on the attack here and start bringing some people back in, wave them through the door if they meet a certain level of criteria. I think that's what's happening for Kepkin. I think we're going to see them pretty soon. T.C. what do you think? You think the drawbridge is going down? I think it is.

I think we'll see what they say tomorrow. The chatter around here is that, you know, roll app's going to. issue some sort of statement. I don't know if it'll be specific to Kepka or if it'll just be laying out, you know, some sort of pathway back, um, you know, but yeah, I think it's like, hey, the signs back up, like, you know, under new ownership here. We fix some things come to death row kind of thing. So, uh, I think, yeah, like, Sally, I'm totally with you too. And like, I think that between new board and then also roll up, it's like, hey, there's new leadership in place.

They can let bygones be bygones. They don't have some of that same scar tissue. And they can move forward and say, hey, like, what's going to be best for the future of the tour? Like, yeah, it's probably if Brooks and Bryson turn up at the Phoenix Open. So what's the devil's advocate case? Like, what's the case against just waving him back as soon as humanly possible, do you think?

The case there is it's going to bump out someone from a field that he's going to get into right it's going to bump out somebody maybe maybe support or yeah supported the tour you know didn't go like he does get to have his cake and eat it too like which is what you were kind of trying to guard against that's like if you're reaching for it man but is like is the PJ tour better off of Brooks kept on it or off it like definitely on it look I have serious question marks on like Brooks's current and future game I think there's no guarantee he's going to come back and be a extremely competitive player, it'd be an effective player. Like, it's been really shaky over the last couple of years.

He wasn't that great of a PGA tour player when he did play on the PGA tour. But he's a five-time major champion. He's a big name. He, you know, I think it, it makes a ton of sense to bring him to bring him back in. I think it, it is, I guess, the more slippery slope aspect of it is like, all right, take a guy like Bryson, a two-time major champion. Who's not asking to come back as a now? I have no idea if he wants to come back.

But like, sued the tour was a total jackass throughout the entire process. Like completely different question. How do you not have hurt feelings a little bit about that? Kepkin never wore the uniform, never said, shit. He didn't say a word. Just collected his money. Never really bought in a lift thing. Pretty easy to wave him back.

Like, what if Phil wanted back? How do you, from a resume standpoint, how do you keep him out lifetime? Phil could use his lifetime or his, you know, career money. One of his two. Career money. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's going to be. of the question, I guess, right? Is there a line? Do you draw a line? What is the line? Yeah, it's going to be,

it's going to be interesting. I mean, that lawsuit is certainly a line. I don't know if they'll go to that, you know, specifically, but it's, it's pretty fascinating to see, yeah, just how wide they're going to open the door. You're also interesting in the context, too, of like, thinking back to a year and a half ago and Yasser and Monahan are sitting there shaking hands and saying, hey, there's a path forward for everybody together. And I don't know if this is possible with, because I don't know if it's still treated as the same like membership organization. Now I assume it is because like like CEO, you know,

the, the enterprises just sits on top. But could they just go like completely subjective? Just say, hey, we're going to, we're going to set up a panel or a high council, a death panel here. And like, all right, Brooks, like yours is probably more ceremonial. than anything. You didn't tear it up out here week to week on the PGA tour. You just went after majors. Like, but let's say if it's, you know, if it's Taylor Gooch wanting to come back. All right. Yeah. Like, you know, subjective, no, man. Like, fuck you next, you know.

That's where I just get very, admittedly, very quickly out of my depth on the, uh, restraint of trade and all of the legal side of that. I don't know how you can restrict the earnings of somebody who wants to come in and has the same qualifications is totally tough. That's where it's also with Brooks. It's like, all right, if you've won, they could do it. They could craft it in a way where, like, you could do a whole pot on this to where you, you just look at each guy's resume. How would you, how would you jerrymander this thing to figure out where the line is? I think it's too dangerous.

Well, because I was going to say, what do you do with, like, what would you do with Hatton? What would you do with Dicturiel Hatton who doesn't, who's obviously an excellent player, didn't have the best 2025, but like obviously a great player, but has no big wins to speak of. It's also just so weird TC where like logically what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Like yeah, let's just say it's two majors. It's also probably talking about the majors. We're talking about the PJ tour for them to even be like, oh yeah. We're just we're going to go off of, uh, you know, these events that aren't even our events is fucking wild. Like I don't know if that will happen.

It's very telling, right? Yeah. You know what I think is the bigger question? How did Brooks get out of this contract and and can others get out? Right. Like I know allegedly the little bit I've heard is that. Tom's contract is way more ironclad than Kepka's. How did they let him have a contract that would let him do this?

I think some of the early ones they signed were, I could be speaking out of my depth here. I think some of the other ones they signed there were like three parts. A third up front, a third completion of your first or second year, and then a third at some undetermined point in the future. It sounds like Kepka may be walking away from that last third, but not having to like repay anything that's already done.

So I'm sure if I'm Brooks, I'm like, dude, just write out one more year for if it's a third. That's the thing like 30 million dollars. That's part of the reason why this is like this timing is so interesting with Brooks because this was bound to happen next off season where it seems like a lot of those deals are up next off season. But he's just front running it. And I think the PGA tour is looking at that as like a total opportunity to just, you know, create chaos. All you got to do to come back is just take the mic at your first event and say, yeah, they're a bunch of bitches. over there like that that place sucks like that that's not real golf like it's not a real golf term i hated every second of it i all i thought about was the pj toy the whole time those guys mean nothing to me i was

thinking about you the whole time baby well the chatter out of jupiter is is he could be back by tory pines at troy pines i hope so man i don't know be like would add a ton of juice i think to the beginning of the year even if he even if he's not playing well you know that's like a that is a an absolute in a sport where I think we're always looking for legitimate storylines and oftentimes we find ourselves with very uh manufactured storylines that would be a very real one that would be awesome uh and then he he does get any contention or something i mean like that would be a ton of energy around that can i just point out like all right remember like 2022 was when things were bad for brooks

and that's when he left for live and it was like unhealthy like is it over for him he was plus 0.47 strokes gained in total in the 2020 season. All of last year, 21 events, negative 0.27. So like, three quarters of a shot worse per round. What happened in 23? He won a major in

2023. So it's not, oh, but I'm saying like he fell off harder last year than people realize, right? But also it could have been like Derek Bell operation shut down. I was going to say. I'm not doing anything this year. How hard he's grinded for smash GC. I mean, I just didn't. If you told me he won

twice on live last year, but yeah, of course he did. Also interesting. He did not. Solly, he finished fourth at the French Open. That's right. He's getting back into form. Proper golf course, too. He had T7 and Adelaide. He finished second in Singapore. Did not have another top 10 on live.

The limited field living, now have our top 10 the rest of the year. Maybe you're underestimating, based on some of the reading I was doing the last couple weeks, just what goes into the captaincy as well. That's true. I hear Taylor Gouch was talking about consulting some of the professional bull riding

folks like the team that he owns over there looking for some captaincy advice and so I don't know Brooks could be you know he's doing depth charts and line up cards and media obligations I'm sure twice a day it's everything

what if Brooks kept managing smash GC even though he went back and got the PGA tomorrow it's like his fantasy team or something it'd be very funny It's also interesting looking at Brooks's last few events.

He played four in a row on the DP World Tour to end last year. He played Irish Open, BMW PGA, French Open, and then the Dunhill Links. And so you got to think that, hey, does that signal that there was some sort of telegraphing that, hey, this is coming down the pike? All right, if you play in our four events here, we'll get you into whatever you need while you're waiting for your PJ tour suspension, the laps or whatever. Yeah. And again, I wonder if the tour can dictate that. this is part of your terms of of of penance to be paid but hey go play this event we'd love to get this sponsor like to see five hill mary it's secured you know go play the walker cup team yeah yeah you got to go

play the good good championship yeah so anyways what's next uh on the agenda here tc next we got derrick stepping down as CEO of the pGA of america uh he'd been in the position just one year and according to the statement they put out um said at My daughter's wedding last month in upstate New York became clear that my family needs me nearby to assist with the care of my mother and my mother-in-law focusing on family has become my priority and the best decision for me to step away from my role as CEO and return home to be with them. So not a very successful tenure, you know, regardless of what the circumstances are. I think, you know, good on him for step away to take care of family. I don't know if that's the full story or, you know, or if that's just kind of the way. window dressing here. But I think either way, I think the PGA of America needs to get this next

one right, I think is the main headline. I think like not only get it right, but figure out what we're what we're doing. What are we what are we doing? I loved aiming. Amen Lynch's column was was great or he basically started it with listed off all these big corporations, you know, and vina and meta and apple and all these insane all of these the average board size of all of these companies is 11 people pj of america has 22 and it's just kind of like what the fuck are we doing here guys and why are there so many cooks in the kitchen what is what is the point uh what is the mission and it just seems like we're i don't know the pj of america seems very this is for me like very far removed from it but they they seem just so stuck in the middle between

being an organization that really serves members and pushes the game forward and being like this, let's get as much, you know, let's become the biggest media property that we can become. And those two things just seem like they shouldn't be at odds, but they feel at odds. It's just a very weird, weird disconnect. And I know some of it goes back to, you know, Seth Woffing was, was interesting. And he actually seemed like a very solid fit. And I know some of this goes back to them hiring Sprague, wanting to go back to somebody who is or was. you know a a long-time pGA professional and probably trying to put that foot forward a little bit more

and it still just kind of ended up feeling very stuck in the middle at least to me a uh a casual or semi-serious observer i guess solly anything anything anything resonate there or anything else to add nothing in particular than i mean i i have no reason to believe anything differently but assuming what the reasoning here is true like there's i completely 1 000 percent understand and and respect a decision like this to, you know, give up a huge job like this to be closer to family that needs, like, needs taken care of, right? Like, I think that's, that's not to be, I don't want to breeze past that part, right? I think it is, it was, it was not a spectacular tenure by any means, and it was quite a short tenure. I thought the interesting note was that,

you know, potentially Craig Kessler was going to be groomed to be taking this role, the former COO of the BJ of America, who is, of course, taking the job as the LPJ commissioner. And I would assume would be no longer be a candidate to take this job, just found the timing of that to be interesting. They let Craig go out the door, a lot of brain drain in general from moving their headquarters to Frisco and just the Don Ray stuff and kind of what's going on. It just doesn't seem to be a guided ship right now. And curious to see who comes in and it has to go better.

I think quick. What, yeah. It said like in the coming weeks. Yeah. It will be quick. And I think it, it's, it is different when you are somebody coming into an operation that is in peril and is going poorly. It's easier to implement change. And, and, you know, I don't think you, what they weren't, they didn't seem to be in crisis mode coming off the Sethwa era, which seemed to be quite a stable era.

So whoever is taking this over should have some runway to implement what he or her would like to do and should have some power. I would think. I don't know how much power you can have a 22 board members. That's where, Sally, I don't know if the PGA of America would admit that they're in a bad spot or in crisis. Like it seems like their heads are so buried in the sand or so just, you know, almost like willfully blinded the situation. And what you were saying earlier of them kind of serving two masters and being stuck in the middle, I don't think they're serving either master even remotely well either, right? Right, which I think is the definition of being stuck in the middle, right?

And that's where, you know, where I sympathize, I guess, I'll say two things. One, the unsexy stuff, not going to get a lot of headlines. So I will reserve judgment on like, who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe Derek Sprag got a bunch of stuff going in the last year that wasn't going or who knows. I'll leave some space for maybe the rider cup. Yeah, the stuff that does stick out is the rider cup was tough. That's not, I mean, I guess now I'm getting all confused. I don't want to say that's not his fault because he inherited that venue,

but also isn't he on the board that picked the venue. There might be something there. But the second thing I would say, and Amon Lynch wrote about this in his column as well, is one of the things I think Seth Waugh, you know, I think he left for more reasons than just this, but one of the things he said too was, you know, it's really hard when you've got a presidential term of two years. And every two years, you've got a new president, new level, new devil coming in.

Just easy to lose yourself. Yeah, that's right. And it's just, it's just tough to, you know, everybody comes into this is the job they've been working their whole life for. It's like, all right, now this next two years is going to be about me putting my stamp on this thing. And like, that puts the CEO in a bad spot. I got something to say. Hold on. I got one more thing to say about this.

Let me take that one from you there. Thanks. 31,000. They're looking at me. I'm the president of the PJ of America. Sounds like that was another thing in that Aman thing. It sounds like he's been muzzled.

That's the best word for it. Pretty. That's supposed to on LinkedIn even. I know. It's like there was a, he had a guy, Don may have got a talking to by that 22 person board. It's a lot of fingers coming back at you.

There in the board room. I just schedule a board meeting. with 22 fucking board members. I don't know. I don't know. Are we going to see like a Susie Whaley push here? That's what Draft Kings had,

Fandul. I think those guys all had the Susie Whaley top, top odds. The other finalists for what? The guy from Kiowa last time and then the guy from Ridgewood, I think. Ridgewood, I think, yeah. How does Blocking not throw his name or the conversation at this point?

He's got to serve his president before he can rise up to C. you like the Don Ray I think I think uh Sprague did that too it was his president president yeah maybe that's the problem is Don doesn't have enough power maybe the unify the two positions this could be the opportunity to do that that's a big takeaway I give Don Ray more power yeah um before we get to our next and strikes in there news item uh I want to give a shout out I want to give a shout out I want give shot to a couple of rowback items first the rowback Fulton performance vest I just got

this color it's like the eighth color I have of this vest TCU got one on as well. It's light, but it's warm. It's not tight. It doesn't give you another, like the Michelin Man vibes, as Neil would say. It's got a two-way zipper on it. So if you're concerned about having like that, you know, that bump at the bottom while you're hitting a put or something like that, you can adjust the bottom of that. I wear it more off the course than on the course, just because it's, I think it's, as you would say, T's a nice piece. And it really ties, it ties the room together on a little winter evening, I think. So second to summit fleece pullover. I don't pull it off as well as you do, Dege.

I was deciding between the two to wear it tonight, but you don't need both because they're warm. They're both very warm pieces. But speaking of warm, Dege, do you have a ready hoodie? Do you have one? Oh, yeah. I have multiple.

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We've got no laying up version of it in our shop, I believe. It's great. that. Oh yeah. It's awesome. It's the warmest hoodie I've ever worn. So if you live in a cold weather location, get the ready hoodie. And if you're thinking 2026 is your year, check out rowback.com. That's R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Code N-LU at checkout. Get you 20% off your first order through the end of this week. Again, R-H-O-B-C-K dot com, code N-LU. Speaking of attire, DJ, I just want to give a quick nod to your hat. Sorry about your guy, Bob. Oh, thanks, man. Yeah. Bob Weir, RIP.

Yeah, you know, a bummer, both, both not surprising. You know, nobody's, nobody's going to live forever. Nobody makes it out of this thing alive, T.C. But also just a bummer. Yeah, someone I've spent very few golfers, I would say, that I've spent more time in my life thinking about more than Bob Weir. So, yeah, thank you. Much of, much appreciated.

Lots of nice tributes out there. And further news, WTGL is coming. The LPGA and Tomorrow Sports announced. the formation of WTGL, a new platform from team golf featuring the world's best women golfers preparing for a launch and winner of 2026 and 27. WTGL will feature teams of LPGA stars competing across a season of fast-paced team match play from the custom-built SoFi Center in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. T.C., what's your reaction to this? I think they should have tried to integrate the women into TGL in some form or fashion before just going full steam ahead

and announcing a women's like a full on women's league with it. That's because I think I don't know if TGL has enough momentum on its own. I don't know it just seems like kind of and I know Lexi's raising her hand very enthusiastically to drive down the street and play in this but I just don't know like what the they're going to be smaller teams. It sounds like they're going to try to do like November, December, January, kind of during the LPGA off season. So yeah, I don't know. Like, I would say bearish, but it just feels premature. Yeah. I feel like we got to get the TGL thing super dialed before we expand on it. I need TGL to like hit the right TV windows for me. Like it's clearly not a huge priority on the ESPN networks. Like, I don't know who's watching

on Tuesday at 5 p.m. when it was. on, I think, this past week. Like, it, the whole, a huge hook for me with TGL was like, if you want to watch Tiger Woods play golf, as silly as this is, if you want to watch and play golf, this is where it's going to be, okay? Like it or not, like, he's not coming back to the PGA tour

and playing weekly, not even more than once a year, probably, in any, any time in the future. This is where you're going to get it. There's no real TGL without Tiger. And this is just, man, I just don't, I think working, a player. I don't think you even need four male professionals on each team. You could have an influencer

play one of the roles on the team. Get the YouTube golfers involved in this and it would probably make it a little bit more interesting. They're treating it as such a serious sports property. Then they also like, like the Atlanta drive can just pick up billion dollar

franchises. I was like, I just don't think that's going to happen. But then they're also giving Atlanta drive like Chris Goddor up when they want him, even though he's like, probably one of the best players for this out there. It's just like, just stop treating it so seriously, I think, is my advice, I guess.

Because I still think it's, it's fun, harmless fun some of the, most of the time. Like harmless fun competition most of the time. Like serious franchise value and like, let's expand and let's expand this to the women. I'd be surprised. It's the same issue they had with the whole designs, right? Like they're too serious.

They're too, you know, it's trying to. too much to be like to be an imitation of real world pga tour golf it's like no like lean into it be your own thing it doesn't mean it has to be unsporting or overly like it's it's screen golf it already is gimmicky just lean into it yeah and there's not enough holes like you're not constricted by land here like how do you not have more holes and it uh i don't know it's you know one step forward two steps back, I feel like at times, and then two steps forward and then one step. It's just a, it's, I don't know, I hate to, we don't know what channel this is going to be on. We don't

know who's playing in it, so it's hard to jump to a conclusion. But I agree. I felt like one women, one woman per team, two women, maybe it's two men, two women. I know it gets hard with triples and figuring out distance and all that stuff, but I was not, not, not prepared for this. I just don't know who was asking. Oh, yeah, for sure. I saw this coming for sure. No, I didn't. I think a couple things.

One, I don't know if we can share this or not, but I think Randy is planning on starting a WTGL separate. Yeah, tough for Randy. He was just sitting on TGL and now the women are playing. That's going to be really tough. No, I think my man's going to hold the line and call this equally stupid. Two, as I said last time, I wish everybody the best. I don't know if I need to participate or have a role in this,

but I hope everybody has a great time and I hope lots of people watch it. I don't think I'll be one of them. Three, after saying that on the last podcast, Saul, you know who was watching Tuesday at 5 p.m.? Me, when we picked up my son from daycare, stopped for a quick dinner before he went to bed. And I watched one out of every 11 shots that was up on the TV, like at the restaurant.

And I'm like, oh, that's fun. And I didn't think about it before. I didn't think about it after. But for that specific instance, I was like, yeah, you guys are right. just sitting at a bar or restaurant like throw it on how about that and i feel exactly the same about the women i'm like i don't think it's going to be appointment viewing i don't think i'm going to feel too much while i'm watching it but if it's on at a bar if it's out of a friend's house

i don't think it's going to offend me personally and the last thing i would say is i assume that they will be using real turf as well uh that's got to that's got to add some points in your in your book we're just going to air you think it's golf channel like i do the one thing that stuck out being there tc was like this this facility is too much for just this once a week uh you know maybe sometimes twice a week just a few months out of the year like you should get some more use out of this facility because it's impressive i think they'll definitely do like yeah corporate events yeah for sure launches and events and stuff like that there but um i don't know it just feels feels feels a little bit half baked right now like all right then like give us more details and

like project that you that you know what this thing is going to be or that you're not like it just who are you beating to the corner on this one yeah like was there another women's tech infused golf league that was going to come out like why don't you get you yeah just yeah i don't know just come up with some more cool holes first and then we can talk yeah i'm with you man what what if it was an open secret like truly if it was just like oh i'm hearing they're putting together a women's tgill like that i think would get more run than just like a half-ass you know, here's a bunch of whatever. Yeah, I'm going to talk a little out of both sides of my mouth when I say this.

Like, I think we have been pretty adamant on this podcast and a lot of our content around women's golf would say that it's underrepresented, underappreciated. Like it should get more viewers. It should get more interest and it hasn't. So this kind of initiative, I think could help support that is one side of my mouth. The other side is like, I think TGL on the men's side was, was, was, done to draft off of relative popularity of the PGA tour and golf in general and taking some of that spillover. I don't think there's like spillover coming out of the LPGA side of like I would just

you know that those those 16 hours I'm getting on TV per week of of you know the Lote championships not enough I need more I don't I'm not getting that sentiment from fans right so um that's going to be a challenge I would have to think well I'm also yeah I guess we're we're just kind of circling all the way back to to home play. here but it like that's the first thing you said tc is like if that's the case and if you do want to push that forward then like figure out a way to integrate it into this thing that is they're building the plane as they're flying it anyways like figure out a way to to build the women into this and all boats would rise that would be awesome it would be like it puts a lot of

pressure on those ladies too to like carry the banner and be like yeah see like we have so much personality and like we're going to carry the show and this thing's going to be better and it's like, man, like, just a tough ask. Like, and you're seeing that on the men's side with TGL. We'll say most of the ladies that they'll probably get will have better personalities. And the in between shots, like probably will be more fun than TGL, which can be a little robotic at times. But it's a good point. It could be good for golf nerds.

Like, it could. It just, just think golf nerds have a full ass plate, man. I'm full. I don't need any more golf. Straight up. I'm good, man. I have a hard. I don't need more from the pros.

Yeah. Like I'd rather just watch more travel videos in the background than like in, you know, indoor tech golf. But anyways, so what's next, Ege? Uh, thank you for putting this one on the agenda for me. Uh, according to an Instagram post from Malban golf, I'll read the quote for you guys, built block by block. Quote, this one's for the believers. Uh, welcome Michael Block to team Malbond. So I just, you know, I know, uh, I never, I never believe the record.

but blocky has become a malban golfer as i believe a k has become a melbourne golfer as well so uh yeah i don't have a lot to add tc 15 20 thoughts on this take it away yeah yeah no i kind of i don't know i mean i think there's some fun malbun stuff i think some of it i think it's gotten a lot like there's some awesome stuff but there's also a subset of guys that look like you know orange county divorced dad energy like you know kind of trying to put out that vibe which is kind of blocky's vibe like i think it fits on that front too yeah i agree there is a little bit i was i was flipping through some stuff uh preparing for this this segment sally and uh there is a little bit of in the back of my head where i'm like well wait a minute

like if i'm starting to like it like i don't know if that's a good thing for what you guys are going for like i don't know you were canceled once for for shitting on belvin remember which i stand by fully i still don't think jason day is It's like, oh, granted, he's flipped all the way around, but there's a lot less big giant DeWalt logos. That was my point. The subtlety of my point, I believe, was lost. What do you think a Johnston's quarter zip sweater costs on the,

on the Melbourne website? I got to recuse myself because I think you asked me this last week. $379. You're really close. If you doubled it and then added more, you would have been really close. It is $835 available in two different colors. Premium. But I just, the Blocky thing, that was, that was a while ago now, man.

Like, that was just like, how many, oh, God, what's the right way to phrase this? Uh, fuck, I wish I would have prepared this segment because I think we could have done a PGA tour. I'm going to put up a PJ tour player. You tell me if Blocky's more famous than them or not, because I think it's a lot of guys. A lot. I would say, God. Gosh, 80% of the PJs, the PJ tour field at Sony. I bet Blockie's more famous than 80% of the guys are there at least.

So straight up. 80%'s a lot. You want to start pulling the numbers? Yeah, like maybe we need to revisit this. I think it's close. Maybe we need to. We do this next Sunday. We might need to.

We might need to. Just think about it. Think about it as your... 80% is a lot. I just, there's just not a lot of guys that, that Joe golfer are really connected with out there. I don't think. Could be wrong. Like, uh, Harris English. Do you think Harris? You think Harris is lock here? Harris is in the 10%. You'll mean to here I he might be more popular in 80% of these winners of the past two seasons

category. Keegan Bradley no Michael Brennan. Yes. Brian Campbell. Yes. Rafa Campos. Yes. Cam Davis. Yes. Nick Dunlap. It's close. Nico Etchavaria. Yes. Austin Eckro. Yes. yes Tony Fee now no no I wish he was he's probably I don't know well as you found him now than yeah Stephen Fisk yes Ryan Gerard yes Chris Godder up it's close Ben Griffin no Harry Hall yes Joe Highsmith yes Chris Kirk no Jake Knapp no big shot Bob no Matt McCarty yes Mav McNeely no William Mow is depressing Taylor Tendrith yes Aaron Rye it's close

Davis Riley Riley Davis definitely Adam shank yes Nick Taylor from like six times but probably Kevin you yes Webb Simpson is in the field that's interesting throw him out Bryce Garnett yes Billy Horsch will know Tom Kim no Pat and Keziar it's close Peter Mulnotti yes Matthew Pavon yes those are the winners those are the guys that have won tournaments in the last two years but is he famous for the right reasons It's a question.

It's just, famous fame, man, you know? It's just, I'm just saying, I get it. Now I'm, I'm all the way around on this thing. I'm glad we did this segment. I feel like this would have made sense a year ago, but yeah, it's, it's getting a little late. T.C., what's next? You kind of put my brain in it like that. Do we keep on?

Christopher Ratan, Adrian Sadie, John Perry, Howtong Lee, Kada Nakajima, Jordan Smith, Dan Brown. It's not good out there, guys. There's not a lot of dudes. VJ connected. VJ is a yes. BJ's, he's more famous, I think. Oh, well, speaking of which.

Yeah. He's taking up PGA 12 membership this year. Does he have another exemption left after this? Oh, you're cut. Yeah, right. He does. This is his top 50 career money exemption. And then so he, I guess he also has what, that's the cuts made exemption.

His top 25 career money. Of course as well. Yeah. Double it up. Uh, yeah. And I mean, how many events do we think he's going to play this year? It just makes the categories look like it's just turning the PGA in on itself and being like, you see it, you guys see how stupid this is. It's incredible. We need entitlement reform.

I don't know why. I don't know why I've always had a soft spot for the career money list exemption. I'm in on it, man. I've always that that is the like, no, you know what? My name's on the door over there. This is my office. I'm coming in. The fact that VJ is still, he's still up there despite all the money. And he isn't, he's been, he's in his 60s. Like, it's been over a decade since he's, 62. He's been under 50 on the PGA tour. And he's still in the top 10 in money, despite all the money that's floated to the game in the last several years.

Like, I get that. It's, so just to put a little reference around this, right? It's like the category that he goes into here. So like tournament exemption status for like a regular event goes like this. Tournament winners, which is like, multi-exemption, you know, if you won a tournament the last couple years or players, WGC, whatever it is, you get,

you're exempt. All the big dick players we just ran through. Top 70 on the FedEx Cup point list from last year. 71 to 100, that were on that list. Then the DP World Top 10, then the Corn Ferry top 20, Q School top five.

Anyone from PJ Tour University, that's number one and accelerated prior season and current season. If you were in the top 70, in non-member points, meaning if you were a non-member, but you got a certain amount of points that would have put you in the top 70. That gets in top 30 from the, from two years prior at the Tour Championship. You've made the Tour Championship and you weren't otherwise exempt. You're into that category. Then you get to the VJ category, which is career money. So that would be, you're not bumping anyone that's exempt on the PJ tour out of an event. Behind that is Life member. And then behind that is

101 to 110 on the money list from last year. So everybody that just, just missed out on getting a card that has conditional status that is going to get several starts. You are going to bump the, if you take up a spot in a tournament like he is this week at Sony, he's effectively bumping out the next guy outside the top 100, which I think as of the time of recording this is David Lipski. Isaiah Salinda just got in. Lipski, I think was 106 or 107 on the list last year. And he is not, I think he's first alternate right now to get into Sony. So VJ would basically would be taking up his spot in this scenario. So it's just, I mean,

tough, but you're, you're taking up a spot from a, a non-exempt member. And like, you're not, I always, like, it becomes a play better situation of like, especially as we're always kind of saying, like, oh, this, you know,

if you're 100 or 101, it doesn't matter, you're still going to get all these starts and it is kind of funny. It's like, I know, you are behind Vijay and lied now, which is pretty sick. What do you think? about it.

He's playing Sony, by the way. I'm looking at it. He loves to play. Yeah. That's what I just said. Yeah. He's bumping David Lipski out. Yeah.

So, yeah. No, I mean, Sally, I totally hear you in that like, I, I think it, it should, it should feel like a once thing. So I think the fact that you can stack them. Well, and you could wait. Like, I think it should be like the first year you're not exempt. You have to, you want to hang on one more year. You should use it then.

Like, I think this is probably. he's going to be something that goes away, but like, I don't think you should be able to holster it for whenever you want. And what have you pulled this when he's like 78? Like, there'd be nothing there to stop him, right? I was trying to look back at the career money list just to see who hasn't used these exemptions yet. And solid, to your point, a lot of these, I mean, it's shaken up hard with the crazy increase in purses over the last 10 years. I mean, it's, it's incredibly top heavy on just contemporary current players. So it's, there's not going to be a ton of these examples, I don't think,

over the next couple years. But I just, I don't know, I got a really big kick out of seeing this headline. And I'm, I'm sincerely all for it, VJ doing what he's, he's earned. I love it. The fact that it's BJ and he waited so long, sick. Exactly. Some of it's had a contentious relationship with the PGA tour for a variety of reasons over the years. I will say Dij and I did do a deep dive this past week.

It's going to come out probably in a lot of month. Yeah. Yeah, exemptions used to be a lot worse. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. I'm going to save some of those for that deep dive. But T.C.

You would not believe who was still eligible in the 90s for PGA tour season. That's true. I mean, VJ has a major champion. He should be a lifetime member. You shouldn't have to even use any exemption. Just let them in. Yeah, they used to run it like the NIT, T, C. You just, people just couldn't, couldn't lose their cards.

Well, speaking of exemptions. We got Zach Johnson on an unrestricted sponsor exemption this week. And he turns, love so. He turns 50 years old in, well, five or six weeks. He's going to, he's going to feast on the champion's tour. Has he used the top 50 money exemption? I feel like he has. I feel like he has.

I don't know where these guys have, you'd even find that. How old's Coutcher now? just look this up he's like 46 or 47 I think he's he he's gonna feed on these yeah I don't think Zach Johnson oh it said there was an article in fall of 2025 saying he was expected to use one of these exemptions so the career earnings mac coocher what do you think oh I'm always the one asking this I never have to do it myself $66 million pretty close 61 and a half

okay holy shit where does that rank 13th but I think every I mean all the players ahead of him are yeah just like

contemporary guys Xander Hedekhi Jason Day Spieth Adam Scott JT VJ Girt Blair

Furik I guess would be the oldest kind of odd man out there Justin Rose Scotty Rory and Tiger Phil of course not on this list anymore which is fucking stupid so stupid I hate that they did that do not understand that I really that should be something that roll up says you know what we're going to add these guys back in for historical context exactly draw them back to it's not the

hall of fame it's not you they didn't use steroids it you get to ban them that's the monahan deal man I don't know legacy not leverage we have some upcoming rule changes on the PGA tour. I'll see what you guys think of each of these. This was summarizing this from an article from golf.com, but a new level of penalty. So if you play a ball from the wrong spot, if you think back to Open Championship the past year

when Shane Lowry's ball moved and he did not know it, that was a two-shot penalty. That is now being changed to one shot. If a ball moves, you don't notice it, and you play it from the wrong spot. That is now only a one-shot penalty. I'm for this one. It's basically like you count that as a shot if you accidentally moved it.

And I don't know why that would be two need to be two shots. Is that different from it? So USGA rules say that it's two shots? So they're going to use the USGA here. As I understand it, yes, this is a modified rule in the PGA tour. Oh, man, that's interesting. I wonder how much of this is just like setting the table, not to skip to chat. They do a lot of this, though.

They have a lot of, the PJ tour has a lot of like their own. See, they won you over already. It's no big deal. They're using the old golf balls. It's fine. They do this all the time. A lot of that going around these days. Extended relief for embedded balls.

This is the Couture rule, if you remember from a few years ago and his ball at Memorial rolled with somebody else's pitchmark. If your ball rolls into another player's pitchmark, you now do get free relief. Previously, it was only if it came into your own pitchmark. P. Reed might still be on tour if this was the case.

but my name's got to be Jordan speed guy I think this one makes sense I don't know I hate to say it you know I don't want anybody getting more relief but it's you know if you're if you're playing

without cameras or something it's pretty hard to know whether you're in your pitchmark or someone else is from 200 yards away but as somebody I don't know they're in a little pitchmark sure that is this a pitchmark or a divot now becomes a different question um protecting the field's never

been more important right yeah so i think the uh i don't know it was a sick like wrinkle of rub of the green it was yeah i would yeah i guess that's the other thing is it's just be like okay well just no embedded ball really that i'd be into all right i was afraid this is going to happen uh this is a minor one but internal ob will only be for shots from the t i don't think that's going to come into play too often um this one was kind of weird players are now grand added extra relief from the apron or fringe of an immovable obstruction, not just sprinkler heads, is in their line of play. As golf.com wrote it up, it was under the new rule of scope of obstructions will be

broadened to include such a things as microphone holes or damage caused by the removal of other obstructions. So like, if there's a microphone near green and you take it out and it has like damage on the ground in your line of play, like you can get relief from that. again seems minor but i don't know why they needed to expand this but this would be a rider on this bill for some other other reasons it's a little bit like the laser uh like the laser first down now in the NFL just i don't like it bring the fucking chains out you're gonna measure it damage club again a minor win but a player can repair or replace a significantly

damaged club mid-round with components from his bag assuming the damage was not caused by abuse so like if you break your driver you can have another driver head in your bag and just sub it out you used to like have to send somebody back to the locker room well you can always do it but you carry your extra driver head in your bag you can if you damage it only through like normal play you can replace it you used to have like send somebody back to the clubhouse to get one for you and then now it's just like now why can't you just carry it with you see that's one i wish they would go the opposite direction and say like if you break your club in the round doesn't matter for any reason like you you cannot replace it yeah i'm with you i'm good on that one i don't like it this one

what do you think sally i mean do you disagree like it like it just makes the structural integrity of golf clubs more more important yeah especially if they start testing drivers more too yeah i don't think i care just like it happens so rarely i don't know i don't know i don't see this having a big effect on on golf tournaments and um i maybe i early and around you wrap your iron around a tree and you know you can replace it but you can't replace an iron because that wouldn't be in your bag it's true i was that was the first thing i thought of too is like i was just going to incentivize guys to take a bunch of crazy shots but it basically seems like it's only if you're like cracking the face of a driver kind of seems like well you can you can still replace the iron

you just have to send somebody back to the locker it wouldn't come from your bag you have to go send somebody to go get one. I doubt people have a backup six iron also. You can maybe build one. Anyways, again, it's just kind of like, I don't, I don't think this one's going to come into play too often. But this one, fly the banner, guys.

You know what? I don't want to say fly the banner because they have a, they could still do better with this one, but I have been calling for this one for four to five years, I believe. The relief area for preferred lies has been reduced from a club length, which is about 46 inches to now a scorecard length, which is about 11 inches.

So never made sense. to me why I get no much I hate mud balls too I get cleaning off mud mud off your ball I always thought you should put it right back in the same spot there is a special preferred lies rule on the pGA tour that an e2 version of that or whatever it is where you have to replace it in the same exact spot I don't know why you wouldn't do that that makes no sense to me but you definitely do not need a club length of relief some good examples provided of like a bermuda like you can change the grain of a chip if you want to you can change the angle of it you can make it so you can almost put from the fringe uh it just made no sense for these guys sometimes 25 feet away from the hole taking their drivers out and getting a club length of relief so

this one's this was a big one for your boy i'm really glad to see this one even though they don't uh apply the e2 version wherever that's called so congratulations thank you have the banner i will reach across the aisle there and and and uh you know bloods and the crips on that one coming coming together that's a uh that one is is common sense I think. Like there's scrambles and, you know, other formats that I've played that are, that are more demanding than the lift, clean, in place on the PGA tour. I feel like I might, yeah, I don't know how to feel about this one. I might adopt like one of those just political, radical, uh, sort of positions where it's like,

no, the fact that we're not pushing it all the way to where it should be for human decency here is this is such a cop out sellout. It needs to be, not only should it be play it down, but lift clean. and replace at a bare minimum and this is just chicken shit to not do that but I'll suspend that bit and won't even let that get off the ground I'll say it's progress Sally congratulations

how many this is a little trivia question for you guys how many rounds on the PJ tour this year do you think had preferred lies in play how many rounds were they're total yeah there's what 40-ish events 1060 160 175 events

If you fall on everything. Something like that, probably. So I'll say 25. I'd go more. I'd go like 45 to 50. 21 rounds. Okay. Good guest each.

Yeah. It's less than I thought too. I think we just all, everybody runs to Twitter. I mean, at the same time, 21 rounds when you're playing on the, like, the best conditioned golf courses in the world, week in, week out. The greenest golf course. in the world. They're also heavily watered and can't take on much more water.

Yeah. I would say the most, the most manicured golf courses in the world. Correct. Not the best conditioned. Most manicured means a lot of water and maybe they're not meant to hold the water they get during, during rain weeks.

And a lot of overseed, which creates a lot of more mudballs. So oversee, though. The overseed, though. All right, what's next?

Cody brought up a good point, though. We were talking about the overseed at, at Houston. He was saying that from the time they have the men's event there to what a month later when they have the Chevron, there should be a lot more growth of the Bermuda and it'll be a slightly different playing surface as far as the overseed versus Bermuda coming back in the season.

So it'd be interesting thing to track. That could get kind of caught in between though, if that's the case. Like I don't, you know, I don't know. Or they're going to have to do a lighter overseed program for the tour, which is also preferred. but would the tour ever do that question what's next second question i have for you guys what is a realistic rule change the tour should tackle next i'm not going to allow tio as an answer here and it must be at least somewhat realistic not you know i i know what you guys are

capable of we're not having any fun here tonight guys not one ounce of fun should be had here in this segment okay i want a real answer j you go first because i want to see what you take this well mine was less i'm just not a great student of the rules so i haven't spent a ton of time really really stress testing and feeling like i know better than what's there but what i will say is more of a set up thing and uh we've got a podcast coming out uh this week that is like a uh the first of a two-part very deep dive into the world and the life and times of C.B. McDonald. And he had some awesome quotes about how bunkers should play. And his line was basically before every tournament, there should be a troop of cavalry horses that goes through the bunker before anybody plays.

And even in 1912, 15, 20, you were saying it's bullshit how manicured people want these bunkers. and we have just were 50 times where they were then beyond that. And it's just gotten, I don't know how this has become such a non-issue. Like nobody talks about this, I feel like players aiming for bunkers, absolutely perfect lies, so much better than being in the rough around the greens. And like, I mean, it's it's just such a controllable at this point, whereas it is supposed to be the defense of the golf course and the penalty for a bad shot. So something setup-wise, I love Jack's thing with the, you know, the wide-tooth bunker rakes.

Maybe it's something with that. Maybe it's, I don't know what it is, but like bunkers have to be real, real bunker. So I remember when we were in, was it in Hawaii, maybe? Or maybe I was in, I was thinking of that cabin discourse originally, but it was at, I was wondering in Australia playing somewhere. And they had like, I mean, it was like beach sand, you know? And like, you hit it in there. You're like, fuck, man, like this is, I'm bones.

over here like this is not this is i'm i'm gonna make a double boge like what the hell just and it's like it's such a light bulb moment of that's what it should feel like it should not be like oh thank god it came back in the bunker we're totally fine one it can't be like players say like bad bunkers are ones that can't get out of right away yeah the bunkers aren't very good there they're not very good shape it's like well they're just so unpredictable yeah dude yeah that's the whole point Like I think it's by accident But the bunkers at Tim Aquana They read it him

And there's like too much sand in him right now And the lies are bad And they're very hard to play out of right now And I know My instinct is to be like Yeah they just you know They're too hard to play out of And then like my reality is like I

As soon as I hit it in the bunker I'm like no Yeah that's a bogey Like at best Yeah Yeah DJ that was a really well-reasoned You know argument And you know

forceful argument. I'd love that. I would go even one step further. I think that one of my favorite things about playing down on the sand belt is that they do such a great job done in Australia of exacting different penalties from different bunkers. Like there's some bunkers where it's like, oh yeah, like that one right there, like that's a shot and a half. That's a shot. And there's there's varying levels of sand. And it feels very conscious. Yes. They're they're they're doing it very intentionally of hey like that bunker short ride of this green is one of the barest, gnarliest ones on the golf course.

And that's part of the design of the hole. It's strategic. Get it to a point where that's part of your prep or that's part of course knowledge or that's part of your caddy or that's part of having a great caddy. Exactly. Yeah. You know. How about this guys? I'll let you choose between these two.

Bunkers are fucked or you have to give up your frying pan drivers and in this magical equipment you get to play. Like give up one of those two, which one you get you can't have boat. You can't have groove. and this magic equipment. You can't have both of those things. No, I agree.

I agree. So, yeah, I thought my, my stuff was, I had, I had pace of play as my big one, which it sounds like they're, they're making some strides or could make some strides in that area with between Shotlink technology and just, just various things that they want to test out. So, uh, hopeful on that note. And then, yeah, my other stuff was just like more transparency around DQs, I think is essential. Like, I think if a guy gets DQs. or hot cheating or something like that.

Like I think it's, I think it's, we've reached a point with gambling with everything out, like with just how high stakes everything is. Like there needs to be some transparency there around suspensions. I share your sentiment on the bunkers, D, but mine was going to be my red light, yellow light, green light guideline rule for pace of play on that line TC of red, the slowest players all have to play with the slowest players.

And if you're red, your whole group starts on the clock. You can't get out of position. Can't do it. You're going to get penalized. And reward the good players earlier, better tea times, whatever it might be, and they get to get out and run. I'd like to see that tried. I'd like to see that tried.

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a lot of debt tc what's uh we got two final news items before we get to the main event here tonight Yeah, so we had live golf promotions down south of us, Sally, Black Diamond Ranch. You ever played down there? No, there's always FSGA events down there. I've never made it out there. That might be my, sorry, that might be my, my, what do you call it, TBC, Louisiana. I don't, I may have played there. I don't know if I played there.

There's a quarry. Like, I feel like you would remember if you played out there, though, right? Dage. Maybe. He played the cori. There's like three or four holes down in a corner. Corey. Yeah, I remember golf week? This is not interesting. We can we can move on. It's okay. Maybe I played there and I maybe didn't. I don't know.

The pre-refer told a story on this pot is not that it's interesting. Yeah. Well, what are we got about live golf promotions, which is also not interesting. I worked at golf week. They used to have events there all the time. I can't remember if I went. It doesn't matter. We can keep going. Yeah. Anyway, uh, Richard T. Lee won going away. Canadian, uh, finished five shots ahead of Bjorn Helgren from, uh, from Sweden. That sounds. Are you going to claim claim him, TC? Yeah, we'll see what happens. You know what?

I think, yeah, he was, he was, you know, final around 64 from him. And then the really the news of the day of the week, of the golf week was Anthony Kim gets through. He was exempt through the first round and then played the last three rounds, shut 69, 66, 69. And honestly, guys, from everything I've heard, it sounds like he's like worked his ass off over the last. six to 12 months rebuilding his golf swing and like could have just give it like could have you know mailed it in and given up and his swing looks dialed and he's like actually playing pretty good golf now which is kind of shocking yeah i don't know this is like uh this is very much not nothing right went out worked hard grew up it and earned a spot i got yeah i have nothing but respect for

for a k going and and doing that it's that's awesome yeah i i now granted he got free two years Well, I was going to say, it's hard because we want live to have qualification, right, have a means in. Like, that's the big thing we've wanted. Three spots, obviously, is not. It's kind of a token qualification system. It does mean less to me when it's like, well, wait, he got a, he just got a free exemption into it. The prior two years, okay, great that he now qualified for it. But what was the last two years worth?

Like that was kind of the whole problem with the whole thing is he got to just show up and play in it. Now, I hope he plays great golf, man. It's been a little bit of a, you know, don't meet your heroes, what you're asking for. If you follow him on the everything app in terms of what his comeback has been like, but I have no reason not to root for the guy's sobriety and success in life. You know, I'm not holding out for like a really impressive golf comeback. But man, if it's keeping him off of what was holding him back, for quite some time and he's found some happiness

than I have I have no problem rooting for success and happiness for him yeah so you got chase capcom missed the cut unfortunately I think we're just talking about him the other day Andy Ogletree missed the cut yeah unfortunately I tried to uh I tried to watch some highlights just see like final round highlights

they're paywalled behind the behind the paywall for only for live golf premium members so I thought they were all about growing the game I can't even watch the freaking highlights from their promotions event. How are you not a premium member? If you're not a premium member, do they have any premium members? I thought I was going to get one with that, you know, $3,500 handbag I bought it from three weeks. I was going to see what Live Premium is, gets you, but I'll take that off.

So there was a Christopher Wood in the field. I was, I was, I was probably, it was actually a Christopher Wood from Australia. Yeah, that threw me as well. I almost said that out loud too, but, uh, yeah, not a, I'd, couple other names Matt Jones who Lucas Berrigard remember didn't he had a had a minute at the match play I think yeah Jazz channel with tonin on she's yeah a couple names sure cool last news item then let's get to the main event yeah just a quick a little follow-up on the Kabalua episode we did on Tuesday first of all thank you for all of uh we had a lot of great

feedback on that a lot of nice notes from people and uh commending all the All the hard work that went into that. Much, much, much of that was all our guy Charlie, who threw himself into that and did a ton of awesome reporting. So kudos to him for all of that. One clarification he could not be on tonight because he's going and working on something else. But one clarification, he wanted me to pass along. So we mentioned this gets a little pedantic, but stick with me. We mentioned about halfway through that episode about TY using groundwater to water the plantation course during

the drought, which got people very hot and bothered, and people were quite upset about that. One clarification Charlie wanted to make, but didn't say on the pod, TY doesn't have control over whether or not they use groundwater. They get all their water from one source. And sometimes that's surface water, sometimes that's groundwater. They don't have like some big lever where they're like, oh, we're not getting enough surface water. We're going to flip the switch to groundwater. They say that's not how it works. They say that MLP, Maui Lane and Pineapple supplies them with the water that they get. Maui Land and Pineapple says that the Hawaii Water Service operates. What's come through that whoever's, whoever's fault it is, it seems like groundwater was used.

So that party is true, but we didn't really get into the weeds on, you know, we kind of maybe made it sound like Ty Why was just flipping some nefarious switch. And I don't think that's exactly how it works. So whoever's fault it is that that happened, we can leave that up to the water commission, but just wanted to clarify some of that. But that's, that paints a picture of what it was like. I think working on that project because it's a very complicated issue. A lot of ins,

a lot of outs, a lot of what have you. We know Charlie was not to blame for whoever. Charlie did, however the grad one is not Charlie. That's all we know. We're all. Yeah.

Or off. Deeds, real quick, one thing I got a shout out for you. The opening drive graphics are up on. I saw that. I saw that. How excited does that make you? I know. Nobody loves the opening drive one of you.

Opening drive trademark I know kind of a bummer man it's kind of just the opening approach shot this we didn't really get to hit it's just drop it at the 150 50 marker this

this year which kind of stinks but yeah welcome to the opening drive belated welcome to you as well TC how about Scott the open drive go longer now I don't know is it extend to Palm Springs seems like it should might be a I mean it's going to be a pretty good field

might be a better event than I'm going to say how about Scotty's teamed up in Palm Springs yeah this coming week but the next week has he won there before am I making that up in waste management you are making that up I'm very interested to see how guys build thinking of ROMs here with like you know only the one week in Hawaii and then they got that crazy ass stretch in April or what April like late April heading into early May where it's a bunch of like signature signature signature major off week major kind of thing so 19 PGA tour wins for Scotty Sheffle

how many non-major non-playoff non-signature event wins do you think he has um four no it might be less uh so non-signature non-playoff non-major non-major non-gc as well like yeah i'm gonna say like two so tc is technically right because arnold palmer when he won it in 22 it was not a event that didn't exist yet. So he won Phoenix in 22. He won Arnold in 22. Then he won the CJ Cup this past year, then the ProCore.

That's the only. I forgot about that. Yeah. Okay. Which, speaking of signatures, I was just thinking about this. Like,

does it feel like a foregone conclusion that roll up is going to turn the waste management into a signature event? Doesn't that make sense from like an eyeballs and just maximum exposure? Are there going to be signature events? Or is there just going to be a new? championship series. I don't know.

I'm with you, but like, but I know, like, they, that would be one of the championship. It was a signature event and it flipped to not be one because I don't think they wanted, like, Thunderbirds don't want it to be one. They would rather have more, like with that many people that attended in person. Like, that's one that like makes sense as a standalone event, uh, to get golf out. Full waves. Yeah, exactly. So maybe it's a signature for it that has more people.

I don't know. Yeah. Figure it out, guys. They'll figure it out. All right. we did this podcast last year. We did entire podcast to it. And we decided we were going to do this on an annual basis.

I think no better time than right before as we're getting ready to kick off the PGA tour season this coming week. We made a list of the top 10 players without a major. Now, listen, this can be defined in a lot of different ways. On that podcast last year, we did a whole like career list, like the Montes and the Westwoods and all of those got to mention and rank and what all that. Those are locked in stone. Those are locked yet.

We're not, we can't, we're not, we're not revisiting. It's a historical document. We're going to keep a running, a list every year. We're going to come up with a consensus top 10 players in the world without a major. How we all define that, I think is still up for some subjectivity here. Because look like, where's like Matt Couture fallout on this? Who's not, you know, not done playing on the PGA tour, but. I would not consider to be one of the top 10 players in the world about a major,

but it doesn't just go straight, go off the rankings. Like you can't just read the top 10 players, you know, that, you know, in the rankings that haven't won a major. So there's going to be some, some subjectivity. Here's the list we came up with last year, starting with number 10. You will note if you want to go back at 10. You can start at 10. We'll start at 10. These two put this guy on at number 10 despite 8.

A better year than number nine. And you know what? I think he's going to stay on my top 10 list. Oh, God. Luke Clanton was on the list as number 10. 10, Tom Kim was number nine, Victor Hovlin was eight, Russell Henley, 7, Tirol Hatton, 6, Patrick Cantlay, 5, Joaquin Neiman, 4, Will Zalotaurus was 3,

Tommy Fleetwood, 2, Ludwig Oberg, was number 1. How would you guys like to nominate, go about setting out our top 10 players in the world without a major list? And does the order really matter to you guys? Oh, deeply. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's very, very important. Granted, we did a whole, this took a whole episode, you know, so we might need to do a little aim point express here to, to speed it up and find some consensus. But do we maybe just go through and say like, this guy's definitely still on the list?

I think that could make sense. You know, just to get us a quick, a quick cut. So I'm going to say, number one, Ludwig, still on the list for me. Yes. Yes. Tommy is still on the list for me. he didn't win a major yet did he tc uh not to my knowledge okay uh will zellotaurus feels like a question mark that i don't think we can green light right at the moment he's unequivocally yes for me sally i he's on my list

okay at the end at the edge of the list i don't want to lose track of zaltois you guys say he's auto on you got two out of three that's fine. Neiman yes I think Neiman's on can't lay TC hesitated there yeah I'm sorry not Neiman because of his major record

I think you could make a statement I'm okay with with Joaquin right now like getting him into this Patrick real quick okay I'm sorry go ahead real quick what do you think Neiman is in the date of golf rankings right right now

uh it's Not as high as people think. Like 30? T.C., what do you think he is? Yeah, like 50? He is just behind Ryan Gerard at 70th right now. It's one of the hottest players in the world. I actually will.

For as much as I, you know, there are conspiracy theories out there, live boys, the conspiracy theories on the day of golf rankings. I'll throw a little challenge flag on that one. Hasn't played much since August and he's played very poorly since then and he's just getting hit a little hard on that. As of like June of this year, he was fifth.

I think that's kind of hard to fall that hard from that fast. So I'm gonna, it doesn't quite seem right. But it is farther down anything. Sorry, bogg us down. Is Cantley on the list? Yes. He was on my list last year.

I see. Gosh. It's close. You guys are crazy. Can't leave the list. Again, are we saying, all right, what's the, I'm just trying to speed us ahead. Is it like smart guys or is it's a blend of current and all time guys based? Because I said Judy Rankin last year.

You said a lot of dumb stuff. Yeah. I just don't know how that has any bearing. I can't lay. What's, it's the, it's the top 10. I, I'm going to say can't lay is not a lock right now for me. That's crazy. One.

I think, I think it, for me, there's a lot of guys that are going to play their way onto this list, guys, and you guys are giving away all these exemptions. Exactly. Well, we're not discussing the exemptions yet. We're just whittling it down to the guys we're going to talk about it. That's what I'm saying. And we're going to like, I mean, there's going to be like two spots open.

You guys are just greenlighting all these guys. Can't leave. We saw five more guys to go on this list. Tiro Hatton, Russell Henley, Victor Hovlin. They're all going to be on. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not automatically putting Hatton on. that's good he's falling

he's falling he's falling he showed up a lot more in the majors than most of these guys yeah let's check that it doesn't it's not

it's not who's had the best major record it's who's best player no I know but I just I know that hatton's got the stones to win one too

whereas I don't know if some of these other guys do Tyrell hadn has five top top two top fives in his career in 42 majors

they were good top fives which where were they master's i'm not here for fluffing tyrell hatton's major championship record we are not we're not we're not all right hatton's not a lot can't we else else is too oh interesting uh russell henley

he is on my list he's on my list Victor hovland's on my list he's on my list yeah Tom kim is absolutely not on my list and this is the whole point of putting luke lantin on there is that you'd rather be early on somebody than late. It's all I could not let go of Tom Kim

despite us telling you that the bottom was about the fallout. It's pain for past production. Yep. And you know, you see what happens. If you're going to take that attitude, then I'm going to make you apologize for the Clinton thing because that was the

that was well talking. No, I was wrong. I think we were wrong. T.C. I think we could say we were wrong. But I don't apologize. I definitely don't apologize. But we were wrong. I would rather have you apologize to admit you were wrong. We did miss on that one, I will say. All right.

Tom Kim, I don't, and Luke Klan, I don't think they're going to be on. Here's what DataGolf would say that the top 10 list looks like right now, if you guys care to hear it. If you just went off their ranking. Exactly. How long are you pulling from? How long does DataGolf pull from? Like a two-year sample that is smaller and grating. It's like a decaying sample, right?

That's proprietary. T.C. Come on. It is. But yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a trend index of some kind with, waits on more recent play uh number one Tommy Fleetwood number two hard to argue there number two Ben Griffin not on our list number three Russell Henley number four Bobby Mac not on our list I think Bobby Mac would be like my strongest like I'll go to bat for that guy being on the list

because after what he did it at oakmont last year he's just he showed up a lot uh he's got the makings of a great man I think needs another 20 years of that but he needs to get his head about him yeah number five cam young not on our list i think i'm going to ride pretty hard for cam young being on the list uh sam burns not on our list number seven ludwig uh number eight hovlin number nine can't lay number nine he can't lay uh and number ten is alex noren no we're not going to win any favor from sally on that way so i also looked at this dege i went off the career data golf points list so very different lens than like who's the hottest but it's career like what you've but i did only people under the age of 40 so it aged out a fair amount of guy like chris kirk was right in there of like in data

golf it's going to rank like your career accomplishments you win a big tournament worth a lot of points you win a medium tournament medium points you know a runner up in a major is going to get you points the list looks like the best players of all time it's a don't even know the exact formula but here it is who do you think's number one on the list uh i mean you want to say Tommy I've got you're reaching for I do. I do. I do. He's number two.

This is under 40. Under 40. Career data got who has accomplished the most. PJ Tour wins. I mean, probably 10s. Cantley's third. Under 40.

Really? It's a very interesting answer because like I accidentally missed it when I went through it the first time. I was like, oh God. How do I? He's not going to make my top 10, but like how we missed that one? Ricky. Yeah.

It's Ricky. It's Ricky. It's really. How about that? So it's interesting. Because Ricky, Tommy Cantlay, phenal, Herschel,

Hatton, Henley, English, Hovlin, Sung Jay, Brandon Grace. English ahead of Hoffland is, is wild. Well, it also,

it's, like if you're in your upper 30s, you just have way more point. Yeah. Halvins at his 20s. Like, it's,

it's, uh, that's not, Sung J at 10 was interesting. I thought out of, you know, him being still in his 20s as well. So even three weeks,

three weeks on, Sally, I'm still shook by the Sung Jay Iron play. It's brutal, man. That really rocked me

to my core. I know. In Jeopardy. No, that like, I know, I almost derailed the whole Jeopardy game.

All right, we're going to have to figure out how we're going to whittle this down. So I'll just, I'm going to start throwing stuff out and you guys throw flags.

You know, I'm going to try to go by some common sense here. I think number one is Tommy Fleetwood. Can we all agree there? He's my number one. He's my number one. He's my number one.

No sign. Yes. number two Datagoff has Ben Griffin last year we had Ludwig last year we had Ludwig number one right Ludwig is where my mind goes

I'm going Ludwig number two Ludwig is my number two as well okay it's getting easy so far okay number three my brain goes to Cam Young personally wow future results not past performance

this is supposed to be an index. Just the best player. Yeah. The best player. Guys, I'm going to go off the board as well. I'm going to go Michael Brennan. I like him.

All the stock. At number three? At number three. Clanton was number three last year. And this is, he was number 10 last year. No, he was my number three last year.

On my big board. On my consensus, big board. And I think that like just like the Walker Cup team, you should have a midam. I think that like the three spot is where you're grow. You can't have a talent.

And that was the way Clinton got on the team last year because I put them at three and it's it's shown belief and it waits the I'm already mentally lock it. You know what? I might do it now. I think we lock Michael Brennan in at number 10. Thank you. Okay. Well, we're not locking that. We're not like that.

I might not ride for that. Just yeah. Just like it care. Do I have the votes? You have Michael Brennan your top 10, Dege? Yeah. Sure. That was a great case.

I love it. I love it. You did not come with a top 10? You were easily that easily persuade. He didn't make a case. No, I'm going by just five. His case was I put Luke Clinton here. We saw how that worked out.

Seriously speaking, what is Brendan at? Data Golf was. Because I bet it's pretty freaking good. Like the guy played his way. 80 first. Not even corn ferry tour status to 80 first. Went from Latino America to winning a PGA tour event. And he looks awesome.

won a PJ tour event he finished T59 T-18 T-51 in the remaining fall series events there it's it's it's one of the most preposterous calls that has ever been made on this podcast and look if it's right I'll tip my cap to you uh if you if you like does he play major I would I am pulling this out of like I know he would I'm doing a major because I I followed him at LACC and I was like whoa that guy's different a somewhat through line for me here is like do I like think this guy is going to win a major like if I had to draft the next guys to win a major how is number three not cam young I throw some names out please push back I'm not hearing a lot of name as much as I'm giving him shit I have Niem in here look yeah to win a major he's young he's still a really good player like he's an excellent golfer obviously has had horror major production, but he's too talented to never be a factor in majors. And yet, he never is.

You think he's going to turn it around? I think he, I think he, I don't know why he wouldn't. Like, he's 27. He's still extremely young. He hits a ton. Like, the guy's, the guy produces. Yeah. T.C., where you fall on this?

He's still a great golfer, even if he hasn't one. He's not my top. Like, he's falling in my heart. in my rank last year i had him at seven personally one and two are the only easy parts i think i think i think it got really darn hard after this i just don't know how like what did neeman do in the majors this year it's not that he didn't he didn't do anything in the majors this year and so he moves up the board he moves up the board what the fuck are we talking about he's a good player i think he's a really good player that has not won a major best players to have not won a major not best major record without

having won a major i put him at four maybe but i don't think i can i can put him ahead of cam young that's fair cam head with the age i'm putting zalotores ahead of neman still too well i don't know if you had the votes on that one tc i just don't know what we i don't know what we have on our hands what who's no let's just we can i'm i got a spreadsheet going of all of our top of tens we can we can go so who's the who's your number four dege uh russell henley Henley TC My 4 would be Cam Young right now

I have Victor Hovland I will throw out My number five is Patrick Cantley I've Hovland at 5 Okay I have Zalotaurus Okay My number six is Cam Young

This is where I start to get into potential You know, Neiman territory, but I would go Hovland here. I would go Ben Griffin. Okay. My number seven is Ben Griffin. I have Neiman. I'll go Henley here.

Okay. My number eight is Henley. I do have Cantlay here. Okay. I will go Hatten. Atten at eight I've had it nine I've had in nine as well okay and ten I had Sam Burns but I'm gonna go Michael Brennan my man maybe they could play it off I don't know we saw what Sam birds did it oh well you know it's just can't trust him

kid trust him off of a pool exactly uh at 10 I'm going to Harris English who was your number nine? My nine was Hatton, right? Eight was Hatton. My Tommy Ludwig, Brennan, Young, Zellatoris, Hovland, Henley, Hatton, Brennan, or, uh, English. So English is nine. English is nine. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Ten would be, I don't have Cantlay in there and I don't have Neiman in there. I'll go Neiman at 10. Okay. So we just did the math on this.

We're coming back in. We did a little editing, some weird negotiating, I guess. I'm not allowed to talk them out of Michael Brennan being 10th, which means Tio Haddon somehow didn't make our top 10. So Michael Brennan is 10th on this list. Again, for the record, taking, keeping, I do not agree with that. And for the record, he was at 6th before we bumped him down. He wasn't really.

But it doesn't matter. Will Zaltoros will be ninth. Ben Griffin will be eighth. Patrick Cantlay will be seventh. Joaquin'n Neiman sixth. Russell Henley, fifth, Victor Hovlin,

fourth, Cam Young, third. Ludwig is second and Tommy is first. Gosh. That is our 20, 26 best players without a major. I think that's a flawless list.

That's really good stuff. Tom Kim's falling out. A lot of Russell Henley lovers here. Yeah. And then, And I think for Luke Clanton, it feels a little bit like you were a baseball America consensus, you know, top overall pick. And you're, you know, you might be scuffling a little bit down in the minors, but it's got a lot of options. Yeah, a lot of options left.

We can, we can spend some time bouncing him back and forth. Just needs a little seasoning, T.C. No doubt in my mind, he'll be, but he's part of our long term plan. Do we feel how confident are we? We survived year one. that nobody was a first year major winner in year one of doing this list that wasn't on our list. There were no, true. There were no first time major winners.

Oh, that's not true. Sorry, we didn't make it, JJ Spawn. We did not survive year one. No, we did not. Not even on my radar, to be honest. That was a missed from the committee. That don't regret that one. How confident are we that we will survive year two?

There will be no first time major winners this year that are not on our list. Well, Lord willing, Scotty wins a grand slam. So we don't have to worry about it. That's probably true. You know, but I mean, if you go back and you listen, to our major predictions doesn't sound like anybody's worried. It's going to be horses only. So who knows?

I think we'll be okay. I think it's going to be a big year for the horses. Yeah. That's fair. This was harder to do this year, I feel like, than it was last year. I don't know. I don't know exactly why, but guys are just almost like three through, everybody passed the first

two. Oh, wait, we didn't have big shot Bob on there, did we? Nobody ranked him in the top tent. Oh shit. That's a that's a problem. T. I don't know what's too late. It's too late. It's been locked. If you didn't, yeah. Oh, that is the most bulletin board material. I, like, I think big shot Bob's earned his way into the top five on this list for me. You had every opportunity to mention that. And yet.

I can't believe this. It's a proprietary system. Like we've, I mean, do you guys not agree? I don't. Yeah, I don't know. Do I think Bob is more likely to ascend or descend from the past year? I think descend is more likely. Almost one in the U.S. Open, sure, but it doesn't have much of a track record. Yeah.

I don't know, man. He's got, I mean, his last seven majors. TC, I will let you put him on the list. No, not in the view of Michael Brenner. I would put him on there instead of Al Torres, to be honest. Too late. Too late. We're stanched. I'll reach across the aisle and do that with you. This is the class of 2026.

I know we've already done it up reaching across the aisle. But I think it's always going to let's reach across the aisle anymore. I'm trying to go to bed. There's too much bipartisanship going on. That is it. That is the 2026 best players without a major list. Upcoming this week, we have the season open on the PGA tour with the Sony open. I'll try to remember to do this at the end of every week.

Throw out a winner. No kid. Just throw out a winner. Who's going to win the Sony Open? Michael Brennan. Yeah. I'm taking Keegan. I think Keegan wins this week.

I like it. I actually did. My actual pick was going to be my guy. I've been riding for him all year. I got it's going to pay off Harry Hall. Played well there last year. I like it. It's a good course fit.

It is. For him. Yeah. I'm going to stick with Brennan. But I'm going to say look out for Matt McCarty this year as well, just generally speaking. I knew. I knew there was going to be two names. I'm so weirdly excited for this.

I mean, never been this excited for the Sony, you know, with it being the kickoff this year. The opening drive. Speed in the field. Tony Feet knows like plus 100 to win this. It's, it's kind of bleak out there. Plus 10,000, I think. Not plus 100.

Sure. 100 to 1 is what I'm at. We got the Dubai invitational on the DP World Tour. A couple of Dubai events this year, kind of like the Raz al-Kamai back to back a few years ago. Decent field there. We got Rory, Shane, Tommy in the field there. They'll be playing the next week, too, over there in Dubai.

As DJ mentioned, we'll have the first part of our CB McDonald deep dive coming out this coming Tuesday. Please like and subscribe, throw some thumbs on that. Our Nebraska film will be coming out looking like next week. The boys are going to be on the road this upcoming week, but we'll be back Sunday night to recap the first event of the year. Anything else before we wrap? That's it. That's it. Good to be back. Let's watch some golf this week. Let's play some golf this week.

Excited for that. We got the corporate toward the Bahamas. Yeah. Sometimes there's carnage. That's true. We will look forward to that. Thanks for everyone for tune in. We'll see you back here next week.

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