No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1116: Gotterup Wins Again, + Celebrating TPC Scottsdale

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Chris Gotterup beat Hideki on the first playoff hole to win Waste Management, both outpacing a surging Scottie, who closed with a 64. P Reed won for the second time in three weeks. Plus Elvis Smylie g...ets a dub under the lights. Join us as we break down the week in golf and shine a light on TPC Scottsdale. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:37 We will not leave it at that. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the NoLang Up podcast presented by our friends at Titleist. Saul here. We are coming to live in person. at the AT&T, Pebble Beach, pro-am to my left. Mr. T.C. Hello, T.C. Greetings, Sali.
Starting point is 00:00:53 A smooth day in the friendly skies, if I must say so myself. It was. It was a nice day. Thank you for getting an ad in for somebody that's not our presenting sponsor right off the top. DJ Pye is here on the couch as well. Hello, Pye, man. Hello, Sally. Great to be here, man. The golf is good.
Starting point is 00:01:07 The weather's good. The company's good. I'm pumped up. Ready to go. We apologize. We did not catch any any of the first half or any halftime shows as we've been dealing technology issues here, which we figured out. We missed all that.
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Starting point is 00:02:54 I feel like I've watched in years. I mean, it's up there this past weekend. At the Waste Management Phoenix Open, Chris Goderup wins his fourth PGA tour event, second of the season. Get him on the team. We got P, of course, winning yet again. All sorts of winging over on the Live Golf Tour about
Starting point is 00:03:09 world ranking points. Elvis Smiley won that event. We had James Nicholas wins the Astara Golf championship in Columbia with an eagle on the 72nd hole. Just a lot, a lot, a lot to react to from this past week. Where do you just want to start? Got her up. Yeah, got it.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Final round 64. He birdied, what, five of the last six to shoot 64? And then he made that bomb in the playoff to not even give Hedekie a look at it. He did, he shot a final round 64. You mentioned it. The only hole he did not burdie out of those final six was the par three. 16th hole. He birdied from the right rough on 18 to get into that
Starting point is 00:03:47 playoff Hadecki. I believe it had two total fairways today. But he was somehow bogey free until playing the 18th hole. Proper test. And he did also drive it in the water in the playoff. If you happen to miss it, I guess this kind of started to bleed into the Super Bowl there at the very end.
Starting point is 00:04:03 But incredible round of golf, honestly, from Hadeki to get it that far. Totally. It was exhilarating. I mean, I know you're joking by saying proper test. No, it was a proper test, which made it electric to watch Hadeki. I hate to start with Hadeki. We'll get to Godor up.
Starting point is 00:04:17 But I had such a blast. Watching a guy who's trying to keep his car on the road in a test like that where it's like, man, he's off the fairway on every hole. These greens are getting so firm. It truly was becoming like a real spin control test. Where's the ball landing? Where is it pitching? And he was holding on for dear life the whole time.
Starting point is 00:04:35 And finally it was like, we got to the playoff. It was like, do there's no, I mean, there's no chance that this ball is staying in the, in the ballpark here. he hit it. We were watching it together. Before you hear it, we're like, just aim it to grandstands on the right and try to bank it off that. Like, dude, just don't go left. All you can do is not go left. It almost was like, I mean, he had driven it left in regulation over near the church pews. Shout out to, you know, Johnny Miller, J.J. Spawn, folks like that. Two phones. And it was almost like a, he's so trying not to overcompensate that maybe he's
Starting point is 00:05:06 doubly overconf. It was like he knows that I know that you think that I'm trying not to go And then he just went, there's a triple cross. And it just went so much farther left. And Goddra up is your champion. That's exactly how it goes for me when I get it going left. Everything I do to correct, it just makes it go farther left. Like I have it all backwards. I enjoyed Trevor and Dot.
Starting point is 00:05:25 First of all, Doddy was just like pointed out like he just looked like he was squatting down lower. Like his posture was a little bit off. Trevor was talking about how he had a new shaft in play. Like it just felt like when you're watching a guy go off the rails a little bit live, like having somebody point out what they are seeing. From TV, we can't tell what's going wrong. And whether that was right or wrong, I just found that interesting of something to watch.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Something is clearly way off with Hedekke right now. And it made for great theater. I mean, anybody could have won this golf tournament today. Michael Thor Bjornson had an excellent chance to win. He had it all the way to 17 under bar before he bogeed both 16 and 17. He had some great quotes after that. When Nikolai Hoygard made a triple on the front nine and was one shot out of a playoff, number one player in the world,
Starting point is 00:06:06 spotted everybody the entire field, a bunch of shots by opening with 73. He missed the playoff. by a shot. Achshay missed the playoff by a shot. It was just Siwu. Seawu. Seaw-Wing. Ovalind was up there for a while. I mean, it was an awesome day. It was really, really good.
Starting point is 00:06:21 But Godderup is, of course, the story. Final round 64, as you mentioned, obviously vaults to number one in the FedEx Cup. This is his fourth career win. He said, he's got a signature tweet now that he sends. Like, that's how often he's winning. He just sends the video and the number of wins he has with it. Like,
Starting point is 00:06:36 great branding. It really is. Does God, I think I know my answer to this. Godrop has it, right? Yeah. He wants the ball, which is why I wanted him on the Ryder Cup team. You didn't want him on the team. Let's check the tape on that one. We can go back. I went back and looked.
Starting point is 00:06:50 I was like, did I miss something with this? He had two good weeks in the summer. He fell right off as soon as he got that. Well, Sallie, you were saying that he didn't play well in the playoffs. Well, it turns out that the Ryder Cup was an exhibition. It's not a playoff of it. It's true. Yeah, I think he
Starting point is 00:07:06 I, you know, it's the age-old test of, am I leaning closer to the to the TV when he's up on screen and I'm there with him. I love watching him play golf. I love seeing his golf swing. I love, I just love the whole deal, man. I'm in. I hope he
Starting point is 00:07:22 wins 10 more times. It's a blast. We pointed this out after he won Sony. He was like, all right, he's crushing everybody off the team, making every put he looks at. When the golf becomes like an approach play contest and this specific test at TPC Scottsdale around the green as well, like, do you have
Starting point is 00:07:37 that part of it? Iron play is not considered a strength of his. He was third this week and strokes gain approach. It's inconsistent. I would say it's a strength when it's a strength. But it's just inconsistent.
Starting point is 00:07:49 I mean, everybody, but everybody's iron play is good when it's good. Like, do you do a weekend and a week out? And like, that has not been his strength to this point. But like, he's seventh off the T
Starting point is 00:07:56 and third with approach. And he's in negative strokes game putting this week. And one. Dude. Like, and again, and we'll get into some TPC Scottsdale stuff with what makes this one like way bigger of a win
Starting point is 00:08:08 in my opinion than the Sony is just the specifics of the test and it felt like Sony you could hit a bunch of mediocre wedges and he could still win that golf tournament relatively easy and he did and here there was not a margin for error like not only are you going to you know in you know marginal iron play is going to get a much stronger punishment and you're going to need even better recovery in that spots and he did both those things both hit incredible approach play and scrambled when he needed to is 15 of 20 scrambling around some of the most difficult chips on tour I think like especially this year, right?
Starting point is 00:08:41 So fast. Different overseed the guys were really struggling with. Yeah, man. I mean, you saw it with Thorby Ornson a little bit too. When, you know, you get under the pump last five, six holes. And, I mean, he makes the eagle on 15. And then he's just off on 16. And, you know, you're dead back there behind the green.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Really hard to get it up and down. And then 17, you overcook it a little bit. It would just, it can get off the rails fast. It's not like 35 unders winning out at Phoenix. I mean, it's kind of a, it just middles a lot of stuff. that I am dying to see, I think, in a PJ tour event. Like, I think that's, it's pretty close to, like, what this is the type of shit I'm dying to see every week.
Starting point is 00:09:18 This is what I'm about. Great field, great, like, recognizable golf holes, great conditions, real punishment. I mean, it was everything that I'm trying to see is what was on display today. On display today. Solly, I don't want to front run any of the TBC Scots. We can do that now if you'd like to. Like 17. That's it.
Starting point is 00:09:38 I think that's, that's a. best 17th hole on tour. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's start. We watched it in a bar today together. Like we all landed in Monterey and went to a bar to watch where actually the bartenders were betting on what was happening. I think maybe taking too many shots.
Starting point is 00:09:55 We won't say what bar it was. Our bartender claimed to have like the top three guys on the leaderboard all on his team. On his team, but it doesn't matter. He was drunk. But the, what I was going to say is about 17 was every. time and CBS did a great job of setting those moments up but every time the ball is in the air, the whole
Starting point is 00:10:15 bar truly, unlike Super Bowl Sunday, the whole bar is like oh, and it's the ball gets on the ground and you don't know if it's going to stay up, if it's going to get in the water, Siwu Kim putted it off the green that almost went in the water. The deckies almost went in the water. You asked that question
Starting point is 00:10:31 too, TC, it was like, it was not a bad question of like, why is Decky even coming close to the water there? I was like, you know why? Because like that whole forces your hand. Like, go bail way right if you want to, you're hit, now hitting the approach shot at the water to this back right hole that's also cut off by that bunker. My question was more, why is
Starting point is 00:10:47 Hedaki getting, getting, like, I think you take that line, but I think just take something that's 20, 25 yards short of the water on that same line. But that's the Ricky thing, right? It's like you try to bunker. There's the bunker there, and then you cover that bunker, then you hit the down slope that kicks you way down there. It's just a, there's nowhere to hide.
Starting point is 00:11:04 There's nowhere to hide. And as, as good as CBS as been at a lot of this. I still need to see lower cam stuff at this golf course. They need a camera behind the green looking back at the T that truly shows the slope of that. That would show that mound that I'm just talking about. That's like that's why it gets so far up there because it takes such a big bounce. Because that's where, you know, not all this stuff jumps off the page on on television. Not everybody watches golf this way, but like for as much as we talk about golf courses, I feel like TPC Scottsdale is as close to an all-encom. thing of all of what I like about. So it's overseed a golf course,
Starting point is 00:11:42 but it's firm as shit. Like the lack of humidity lets him get that golf course, firm as shit. And it has just a downstream effect on every single shot. And there's slope on the greens. Tons of slope on the greens. And they're slippery and slidey. Like even when you put the pin front left on 16 on Saturday to have the aces,
Starting point is 00:11:58 it's like you miss a yard left at that whole going with the wrong spin. You're toast. Like you're going to pay, like the line between Bertie and Bogie is really, really close out there. When you get out of position, you're going to pay a price. You know, I forget what whole this was on, but see what Kim was in the rough.
Starting point is 00:12:13 I think it was on 10. I forget that was today, if that was today or yesterday, but he's in the left rough. And I was like, this guy is no shot to hold the green. Like, none. And he lands on the very front of the green from the rough,
Starting point is 00:12:22 and it goes all the way off the green in the back. I watched so much of this golf tournament this week, and you could give me, I would watch four more days of it. Like, from Thursday onward, I watched as much as I possibly could. I pose this question to you guys. I want you to come with specific answers to this.
Starting point is 00:12:37 like on your course, how many courses, regular course on the PJs Tour, obviously no majors. Do we consider the players? That's a separate part of the agenda, which we will discuss. Where does TPC Scottsdale rank for you in terms of non-major tour courses to watch? Because it was surprising where I have this on the list. Do you have it in the top three? I have it in the top two. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:02 So do you have it ahead of Pebble or? Yes. It's only behind Ray to me. It is number two behind. and I've thought about it a lot, and I'm willing to be, like, confident on that. You could. To watch Pro Golf on.
Starting point is 00:13:14 If they shaved the bank down at TBC River Highlands. That might get into the top 10. Yes. I assume, are you considering sawgrass in this list? I am. Because I think it's on part of sawgrass for me. Like, I think those two are up there. RIV, you could almost,
Starting point is 00:13:29 man, this year will be an interesting one for RIV, where you could almost convince me what we watched today was more fun than some years at Rift. Sallie, I think if Sawgrass played at all like it's supposed to play, it would look like this on steroids. And right now it looks like a diet version of this at TBC Scott. Well, it is a, you know, it's not a snap of a fingers. Like if, you know, not to unwind the entire players' narrative and mission, but like players in May was a lot more interesting of a golf course to watch.
Starting point is 00:14:05 And like the green version, the overseed version, the March version is they've never figured out how to get that firm. And they're nowhere close. In a human environment, it's a lot more challenging than like the desert where they don't have the humidity. And it's way easier to get that to play firm. But that's the, if you flip the conditions of the two, I think sawgrass would be more interesting than Scottsdale. But like for me, the firmness and how they, the consistency that this golf course plays at, even with like imperfect weather. I know it was perfect this week. But that's what sets it apart, man, because that's where all of the stuff just starts trickling backwards.
Starting point is 00:14:34 There's different levels of overseed. And sawgrass just goes to the nth degree every single time. And it's just, like, let's say it doesn't rain for the next six weeks before sawgrass. Or, you know, five weeks, it's still going to be soggy. And that's the problem. That, I think, though, is the difference between swampland and desert, though. Like, that's, you know, it's not like, I think if the tour could get it to play like this, they would. I don't think
Starting point is 00:15:06 I don't think they really want to that badly though. They'd rather have it green. They just wanted to look like it looks and I think that but but also I don't know I just I look at there's there's more tightly moan areas at TBC Scottsdale there's more slope in the greens
Starting point is 00:15:23 like I feel like sawgrass has been neutered over the years with just there's just less slope in the greens than there was even you know like granted like this version of sawgrass was designed for Bermuda and it's like they need to amp up the slopes now that it's back to
Starting point is 00:15:43 the rye, you know, overseed. I'm trying to think going back to your question, at least for me, I mean, I think it's Scott, in some order, Scottsdale sawgrass rive are up like a pretty clear cut top three. Mirfield Village could, but like they don't really. So I have more fun watching Pebble than I do. Maybe that's eye candy.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I know, you know, number four, Harvard town, number seven, eight. Yeah, but again, I go back to where
Starting point is 00:16:09 the short grass comes in at Scottsdale. It's like when Mirfield Village gets really firm, it's interesting. And same with Bay Hill when it gets really firm. It's interesting,
Starting point is 00:16:16 but it just runs off into rough the whole time. And that's boring to watch on repeat. Whereas like, on Saturday, Rio, he's not SUNY. I got that pronunciation right.
Starting point is 00:16:25 He did. Thank you for all the text on that one. Like, he had a, he had a chip over the, or at a chip from over the, green and Trevor was like he is better off hitting this to 40 feet just because of where that pin sat in a bowl and I think that was out of thick rough so that's not the best example but like
Starting point is 00:16:41 how how much you had to like start thinking conservatively when you're really out of position. Thorpe Bjornson was a great example of this afternoon where like he like he would have much, he would have been much better off hitting one to 35 40 feet short of the pin than trying to go at the pin and going along there and making an automatic bogey. Decky had a shot today on 11 that we were talking about. He blew it way, if you can believe it, blew it way right. He's in those right trees, a mile in those right trees, and just had to go up and over and land it in the perfect spot,
Starting point is 00:17:10 short right of the green, trundle it up perfectly, used the slope on the green, and it was one of those like U.S. Open style. How did he just hit that to 20 feet? That's the greatest shot I've ever seen in my life. And as soon as that switch flips in your brain, you're like, oh, man, we're watching something. It was real good.
Starting point is 00:17:26 The ball on the ground. Yeah. And it's not like it was impossibly hard. No, it's a great. It can go get it. It's a great combo. Yeah. It's really, really good. All right, how many majors for Chris Goderup?
Starting point is 00:17:37 Neil's upstairs. We can go ask him if we want. Maybe we could send a message. Cody, will you go ask him when you get a break time? We've got to see what Neil says. It feels like a couple, right? I don't know. It feels like Brooks Light. God, this is just where we get in trouble.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Everybody needs to chill. We're already over committed. This is being recorded. And yeah, we've already given out all the majors. Scotty's still going to win a bunch. Rory's going to win a bunch. Maybe, maybe, Rory's freed up, you know that.
Starting point is 00:18:03 More Cowell's got to win six. More to get a lot. Didn't look like he was on his way to win in majors this week. I'm gonna, I don't want to be a party pooper. I mean, I think the overrunners at a half right now.
Starting point is 00:18:15 I agree, right? I mean, and I don't know what it's. I say it's at one and a half. I mean, that's two majors is a fucking lot, and Hedkees not there. No.
Starting point is 00:18:25 I'll say he wins one. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if Hedkeeskees good, though. He's like, Hedke is the weirdest golfer. Weirdest. I loved watching him today, man. God, he hits his iron.
Starting point is 00:18:35 When he's on flight, on song, he just, God, he hits his iron so shit. What happened in the playoff? Was that a heckler? So Gabby Herzing tweeted that it was a security guard, like dropped a chair or knocked a chair over. Overstalous. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:51 A lot of people were really mad online at, and saying the PJ tour owed him an apology and all of that. Who was the guy this week that got kicked out? Don't act like you don't know Jack Doris. I know your subscriber. That's Neal's guy. Deals a massive. So I learned that Jack Doherty exists this week, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:19:08 You missed the thing a couple years ago when he crashed the McLaren while you're streaming? Might be DJ's boy down. Sounds like I. Where do we? What are we talking about? What's it going on? I'll give him one major would be incredible. I think he's a dog, man.
Starting point is 00:19:23 I do too. I hope he wins six. I love watching him play, but I'm just like. Six is a lot. That's what's from saying. I'm just, cool your jets. We do this a lot, is all I'm saying. And I think if he wins one.
Starting point is 00:19:34 We do it a lot, but I think, I don't think it's like unreasonable to say that this guy could win one or two majors. I think you win majors with your iron play. And we just talked about how inconsistent that is. Wedge play's not good. It still is like, he's timing it up on the right weeks and he's getting the most out of those weeks. For sure, he's got a long way he could still drastically improve. I'm just, you know, Mr. Dawes Scottie's, Colin Warwick-Cowl. A couple majors with good iron play.
Starting point is 00:20:00 That's kind of my thing. It doesn't last forever for everybody. It lasts forever for Scotty seemingly, and that's kind of it. The rest of them are kind of hot streaks. At the open last year, right? It did almost win the open last year. Again, we're in the Scotty era, so that's just where... What are you saying at two?
Starting point is 00:20:15 I'm going to say 1.5 is the over under. And you're taking the over. I think over is like plus 200 on that at minimum. Okay. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. But 0.5 would be, I think it would be minus to go over that.
Starting point is 00:20:30 I would have to think. But I don't know. I mean, we're, I think we're kind of entering a different era here. You know, we've referred to this previous era as the, you know, the Scotty major era. But after a tough week like this, like where, where do we go here with Scotty? Yeah, opening around 73. Yeah. Everyone was really quick to anoint this guy, like the next tiger, the next jack, all that.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And to kind of see it falling apart like this, this quickly. Yeah. Well, especially before March, which is going to be major. I think it's he needs to get it back in form I don't know if he needs to make a swing change he didn't meet with the media or something
Starting point is 00:21:05 he got really upset after that chip yeah on Thursday that cost him the tournament yeah yeah it wasn't I mean so I have a lot of great memories from the Scotty era that's really good we were trying to see
Starting point is 00:21:19 who could be the first one to break to just declare it over it I did that was I didn't see you going that way a lot of good memories from the era that we could look back on just worst possible week for the fidges of T3
Starting point is 00:21:32 that was a floor shot out of the playoff God dude that's it's such a joke it's such a joke I mean yeah he's gonna win like 10 times I don't know
Starting point is 00:21:43 I mean he looked he literally played as bad as he possibly could have in that opening round and the field could still barely beat it it's insane and it still didn't even seem like he had his A game it was Scotty and Z woo and then everybody else.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Did we get an answer from Neil on the over-under for Godorup? Okay. He is taking care of business. That could mean literally. Does that mean? Do it deals up there? It's 921 Eastern on the Sunday. He's watching the turning point.
Starting point is 00:22:18 He's watching Jack Doherty videos up there. Where do you guys want to go next here? I thought CBS was great. I thought they're feeling they're feeling themselves. Like there's a lot of commercials that's not a CBS issue. But when you're locked in watching on a plane, shout out of the Starlink Wi-Fi was great. That's great.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Yeah, good stuff. When you're watching on a plane, you do, you know, you got nowhere to go. You do notice the commercials. But I loved it, man. They're feeling themselves. They're throwing the ball around. Everybody's kind of yucking it up,
Starting point is 00:22:49 but not in a like, we're trying to do stand-up comedy. Like Jim Nancy being legitimately funny, making fun of Colt and how he can't win a bet. I really enjoyed that. Trevor was asking, I noticed this specifically, like, he's just asking great golfy golf questions
Starting point is 00:23:05 to the on-course reporter. Where's the wind? How far does he need to pitch this? Does he need to land it right to this or left of this? Like, it was super additive stuff that, like, made every upcoming shot a little more interesting and gave you another hook to look at. I just,
Starting point is 00:23:19 I don't know. Again, maybe I'm just riding high on, you know, a little bit of a great off season, and now we've got some good winners, and we've got to, more good events coming up but
Starting point is 00:23:28 I don't know I hit the CBS music on the Sunday broadcast today I was ready to rock it was put me in a good mood Johnson Wagner's additive they got a little little cue at Johnson there well a little bit there
Starting point is 00:23:43 like hey we could either show you a bunch of live golf shots or we could show you Johnson they showed them they went and set them out to go put the putt the putt that Scotty made from off the green on not Johnson's fault is not being put in it was just like It was like C.
Starting point is 00:23:57 As a Hadecki was like getting like 17. Yeah. All right. Might I just want to, I might just want to hone them. I feel like Saturday. They've got a lot of credit in the bank. Sure.
Starting point is 00:24:04 I think they, can we monitor it? Yes. You know, I'm not, I'm not declaring it an issue. Let's just, let's just keep an eye.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Let's put it on the TCs monitor. They're doing a couple, a few, a few too many alley-oops and, and they're throwing it off the backboard and shit. We don't want anybody hit their head on the diving board. Mark Hibbleman calling shots on tape a lot. They're kind of making Johns in the MOOC is what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:24:26 for those that don't know behind the scenes here when we send Neil to do the very zany stuff like what you want the MOOC yeah you want the MOOC to go do that that's kind of the vibe but now with Johnson
Starting point is 00:24:35 yeah I'm guys I'm on serious okay cool you guys make fun of me put this hot sauce I're saying come on see how hot it is oh yeah okay cool
Starting point is 00:24:45 yeah my my tongue's gonna hurt for the next three days cool did your laughs in uh Neil said one and a half is he gone over or under I don't know if I'd jump off the couch
Starting point is 00:25:00 Yeah, that makes me feel good That's your king Yeah That's the side of history Should I even rooting for like three and a half Yeah, I think that would have Yeah, that would have made you just look a little more sane This your king
Starting point is 00:25:13 Rounding out the top 10 Jake Knapp finished eighth Matt Fitzpatrick I love watching Jake Knapp play golf I just it was crowded leaderboard today You're gonna see a ton of him Skip over Nicolai Huygard We mentioned him already TC We mentioned him very early on that he finished the shot out
Starting point is 00:25:26 mention that he made a triple. Pearson Cootie kind of had a, he had a great start to the week. He went 66, 68, 70, 68. He finished tied for 10th. He is in the AT&T, Pel Beach Pro Am via the A-on Swing 5, so is Jake NAP. So we have a new segment
Starting point is 00:25:44 here coming tonight. Rio. He's Assooni is also in the Aon Swing 5. The weekend. The weekend. Why is it called the weekend? I can't remember. Victor Hovlin also was in the group that tied for 10th place. Good to see, I mean, I don't have a ton to add, but good to see signs of life. First start for him this season.
Starting point is 00:26:07 You never quite know what you're going to get. I think he's one of those that is, let's get him involved more than not, you know, so that was good. This is per Brian Allain on X, the Everything app. Permission to submit the weekend as a nickname for Hitsatsatsune, not blended by the lights, maybe. and he's got sat and son in in his name all right i'm down with the second bar he did seem fairly
Starting point is 00:26:33 blinded by the lights on the weekend this weekend uh but hey he's playing he's playing he's playing great i'm interested to see if he's in the fedora five that sounds like a revelle nickname man you took you like four sentences to explain that one revile i don't know if that's gonna really flow off the time everyone rebelled the golf for for like 10 days there i don't know if i do I think I purposely deleted that. I think we got I think we're by Brady. Yeah, maybe blocked as a company on Twitter by Revelle.
Starting point is 00:27:00 We are, uh, I got a new segment coming for you here right here. This is going to be the T.C. Fodora 5. All right. This is something we're going to do months. Talk about things that are going to take four or five sentences to explain. Uh, this is the TCs five. Why is it called the Fodora 5? That is also we don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Well, no, we do know. This is another one. Neil, this is kind of an Aquaman. I think Neil was trying to make out because everybody loves, I keep this. It sounds like an awkwardman. It has happened. This is going to take so long to explain.
Starting point is 00:27:27 So there's a big, long-running joke that we were always saying, oh, T.C. always is behind the scenes. He's always wearing these fedoras. But he won't wear him in public. He won't let you take photos of him. He's got like 30 of them in his closet. That was a very funny joke that Rady and Saul and I. That we have done forever.
Starting point is 00:27:48 And so we always will take pictures of people at airports that have fedoras on. Like, oh, T.C., why are you flying to, you know, Wyoming? And so combine that with the PJ tour has their little flame emojis around hot rounds. Who's the hottest player on the course? Neil was saying we need to put little fedoras around the guys who are playing the best. That's DC's Fedora five. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the five hottest players in the world right now. And this is not up for debate.
Starting point is 00:28:19 This is, he's here to lay space. This is you can do whatever you want for your five hottest players in the world right now. And this has changed even since we were tech checking for like two hours. Yeah. This could have even changed in those two hours. Who were your five modest? And in what order? Well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:33 So we got a few guys that are invited to the practice session. Five. No, DJ told me to do this. Pearson Cootie, hits on Sunei, Scotty, Matt McCarty, Matt McNeely, and Oliver Lindell, the Finnish pillow guy. Like literally. Just outside. Literally outside. And then the fedora five is number five is a tie between Cal, Cal, Cal,
Starting point is 00:28:55 Hill and Ryan Gerard. They're both ahead of Scott. Ryan Gerard didn't play this week. Yeah. So I don't know how to do him. Four, Team Rose also didn't play this week. He's got one spot left in his trophy case. He's going to get it next week.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Siwu Kim number three. Chris Goddrup number two. Number one, P. Not up for debate. What did you see? I mean, what Scotty has gone first, T3, his last training down? A couple starts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:25 That was enough to bump him out. Yeah, I don't think that he's playing to his potential and his talent level. So this is all- Three times worse from first to third is true. Three times worse. So it's not trending in a great direction right now. I don't know if this is- Andy didn't meet with the media on Thursday,
Starting point is 00:29:38 which I thought was bullshit. And that's part of the, that's part of the index. That's all, that all filters into who's playing the best golf right now. The finished pillow guys still wrecked me. God, I just have so many questions about.
Starting point is 00:29:55 this tc is it all based on an individual curve so is it like like scottie is clearly i shouldn't say clearly i'm not i'm not poking fun of the index i mean ryan gerard's got he's probably shit for like 18 months yeah but i think scottie's probably playing better golf than ryan gerard on a whole so are you saying ryan gerard's best versus scottie no you know what tc i don't think you have to answer that yeah exactly thank you it should be clear as your turn You throw out a lot of stuff, but we give your own play space to name your hottest players in the world. Now, when you named Ryan Gerard is one of the hottest players in the world, he's averaging like T50 over the last six starts, I feel that into question. But I know a lot goes into the photo.
Starting point is 00:30:39 T50 over his last six star, you initially did, back in the day. Well, yeah, I know, but that shows how proprietary my models are. Who was it, Callum Hill? Callum Hill. Yeah, he's been in like the top three in the DP World Tour, like two out of the last three weeks. Sure. you feel me he's the guy that hit it out of bounds in the playoff yeah
Starting point is 00:30:57 also how did that affect also we had a low rasmus we have our low rasmus well maybe save that for the monitoring okay yeah because I think we were talking about that okay uh that's great how often are we going to get updates on the fedora monthly I thought we were going to do it weekly
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Starting point is 00:32:32 Real quick. Real quick. Brooks is still getting the tiger treatment. Miss the cut this week. Yeah. I think we can stop giving him a tiger treatment. All right. We had a devastating miscut from Spieth.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Yeah. Can you guys fill me in on this a little bit? I did not get to watch a lot of golf on Thursday, Friday, but I know there was a lot of Spieth chatter. internally. Speath was three under playing the ninth hole, his 18th hole on Thursday after. He's playing nice. I think he was tight T-10 at the moment when this happened. He had to make like a 20-footer for double on nine just to get in the house at 70 and then pretty much melted down on Friday. Like needed to probably eagle the 17th hole to have a chance or go birdie-burdy to maybe have a chance I think it was and they chipped it into the water on 17 and missed the cut kind of by a lot. But I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up. Yeah. We're so close.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Could be his week this week. It's not great. It really is not. You don't really made me laugh today when we were having lunch was Neil was talking about Scotty and how, you know, first round 72, 73. And how he shoots that first round 73 and he's just like, oh, well, obviously it's about to get so much better. And he's like, that could not be more the opposite of how, and I very deeply relate to
Starting point is 00:33:51 this but he's like that couldn't be more the opposite of how i think about my game where i shoot you know i shoot the round of my life and all i can think is like oh it's about to completely fall up to get way worse and it's just funny to see scotty i'm like oh what i literally i'm only capable of playing one bad round and then it's just going to all be good after that really funny uh salli where were you going to go next the players oh the play okay real quick i had another couple pgatour news and notes 123 man field they couldn't get everybody through on thursday or friday that's tough guys That's unsurious, and I get that there's a drivable par four on 17. There's a drivable par five on 15.
Starting point is 00:34:28 It gets jammed up on 16. We don't care. Those are there every year. You know they're going to be there. We know the ball goes too far. We know that. But, God, like, can we just, they've leveled two. Don't do it.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Don't do it. Strokes. Two penalties in 30 years. Those have been the only two people that have played slow enough. Since 1995. We don't have to do this every winter. We do not have to. Threesome's off two T's, circular traffic.
Starting point is 00:35:03 There's nowhere to go. Like there's rules on if you get out of position, you got it and you get bad times. You will get penalized. Why do we have to go threesomes off of two T's on a cut event on Saturday and Sunday? Not enough daylight, probably. If you want to fit it right in the, especially not on Sunday when you want to finish ahead of the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:35:21 It's a tough time of year with daylight. They've shrunk the feet. I'm with you. Roll the ball back. I know there's two extra mules in the field because of Brooks. Yeah. And they had uneven tea time. There's uneven times on those sides.
Starting point is 00:35:34 I would contend honestly, and this isn't me making an excuse for player pace. Like fast greens is only going to hurt this thing. Like you got to mark everything when you blow a put by. Like that, it takes forever for these guys to hold out when greens get that fast. I've been thinking a lot about your slowly greens down take. Oh, I think it would only help. the best iron players, right? It's interesting.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Also, Morikawa is chipping. Got all the headlines this week. Crazy bad shipping. Gained strokes for the week chipping. He had one very bad chip. Tough one for the haters. On TV and making the rounds. It was...
Starting point is 00:36:08 What was going on with the... Scotty, best chipper in the world struggling with chipping in spots. What was going on with the oversee? We got a note from producer Cody here that said that the fairway height was mowed the height of cut. The height of cut was higher. So a little bit more
Starting point is 00:36:25 grass maybe between some of these club faces. It was a little bit wet. I don't know exactly why that would contribute so greatly to with chips. But whatever screwing them up, it was grainy. I think whatever scurring them up, we need more of that. It's kind of my, the thrust of my point. Yes. And yeah, and Morikawa? The tour's probably, we will never let that
Starting point is 00:36:44 happen again. We are so sorry. If you missed, just put it on on the green. And, Sally, you had a good point earlier, the tour changed their whole locations after the fact, after they put their whole location sheet out on XD, everything happened. It was after P1.
Starting point is 00:37:01 They decided in honor of P we're going to move, we're moving a bunch of back right there. No, they just, I think they they moved 11 and 18, which to me senses or signals that they are getting close to the edge and that they backed off the edge, which, hey,
Starting point is 00:37:16 they are testing the limits. I don't know exactly why they changed them, but that would be somewhat of my read of like, you know, or maybe that they didn't, I doubt they changed it to make it more spicy, you know, when they saw conditions. I think it's, they probably got the dream conditions they wanted and said, we don't need a crazy pin plus the dream conditions.
Starting point is 00:37:35 The conditions will take care of the challenge around a lot of these whole locations. Yeah, of course, was fun to watch. Yeah, it was really, really good. Like, yeah, you showed some of those scenes of that back night. I know it's not a crazy feel, like, man, this feels like one of the biggest, kind of in some ways feels bigger than the players,
Starting point is 00:37:53 just with crowd energy and things of like, does golf channel have live from there? Let's get to exactly that. Randall, I'll take the bait. It works. All right. I get exactly what's going on here. We have the full clip from Mr.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Chambley on Golf Channel talking about the best major. Major worthy. First of all, we do a lot. from from major championships we've been doing a live from from the players championship since 2004 since I first started working at the golf channel just by that mere fact we give it the attention of a major championship we give it that prestige so when you say should it be a major championship what constitutes a major championship of course it's its history and tradition and
Starting point is 00:38:42 reverence and all those things but at at core these are hard events to win They're meant to be harder to win, harder events to win because of the pressure, because of the setup, because everything's right on that line. So they've got to be hard events to win. They've got to be great fields. They've got to produce indelible champions and indelible moments. When you look at the players' championship, with all due respect to the other four major championships, it is the best field in golf. It is the deepest field in golf. And by virtue of the fact that only one person in its 50-year history has managed to succeed.
Starting point is 00:39:16 successfully defend it, I would argue that it is the hardest major championship to win. All the others have had far surpassing numbers of those successfully defending it. So especially since it moved to the TPC sawgrass, which in my estimation, save one hole, is perhaps arguably the best golf course that they play a major championship on from a shot values perspective. You can talk about aesthetics all you want, risk reward holes, certainly. But I'm a shot values standpoint. point you cannot touch the TPC sawgrass. So in every single way that a metric could be used to measure whether something is a major,
Starting point is 00:39:54 the players to me stands alone and above all the other four major championships as not just a major. It is in my estimation the best major. A lot there. The guy's going for it. Can I? The TPC sawgrass. I do like that. That's like when the save one hole.
Starting point is 00:40:12 People from the West Coast say like everybody's favorite. the 10. The Ohio State University. I like a lot of what he's saying there. And I want to, as we always do, I want to say this up front. Brandel, keep shooting. I'm team Brandel forever. I love what he's saying. We need them in the streets, putting up provocative takes because we got to have the conversation.
Starting point is 00:40:30 I love it. I agree. I agree with a lot of what he's saying. To be totally honest, I think if you're looking for metrics and you're looking for measuring stuff, I agree with what he's saying about the field. I agree with what he's saying about the golf course. I agree with what he's saying about all of those things. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:40:46 It's just a very interesting conversation. The live, like, it's kind of a, hold on, but we've gone about field. We've got to do pre-live with that. Pre-live, all this stuff works. Yeah, that's the strongest killer goal is pre-live. Now it's not even remotely close. You're right.
Starting point is 00:41:01 I agree with that. Yeah. Also, that was partly because U.S. Open, you have local sexual qualifying PGA championship. You have the club pros in the field. Masters is a short field.
Starting point is 00:41:17 And then same thing with Open Championship, you know, you've got open qualifying there. And past champions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with a lot of that. Like 2019, you could say like this is the strongest field of golf. You know, you could you could do this.
Starting point is 00:41:31 So this comes around with like the PJ tour rolls out a commercial this week that says March is going to be major. Is the new tagline at the end of it. So ultimately, it is up to our sport and its fans. to recognize what the professionals who play the game already know. That is a comment made by an unnamed tour spokesperson in response to Golf Digest, Shane Ryan. It starts with fans and players have long discussed the players' championship status as a major. We understand that it is not for us to decide. We're just going to put up this commercial that says March is made.
Starting point is 00:42:01 But you guys decide. You guys made the commercial. We are talking about it right now. You did it. It's not us. I don't know why you guys keep bringing us up here. It's a little heavy-handed. I feel like we do this every 10 to 15.
Starting point is 00:42:13 years. It's never been this heavy-handed though. It used to be like maybe they would talk to some people behind the scenes. Or somebody would do a think piece. Yeah, it was never the PJ tour actually coming out and being like, this is a major. Sorry. No, no, and I get it. Like they're, I don't know, I feel like they're, great tournament. They're trying, yeah, like, they've made so much progress over the last five to 10 years in establishing the identity of this tournament. And then they do this and it's just like, we're back to square one and you almost lose respect for the tournament. because it's so heavy-handed. And, like, I get that they sense blood in the water with the PGA championship.
Starting point is 00:42:50 That's what I was going to say. And, like, obviously, they don't own any of the four majors. Or the Rider Cup. And I get that this is, like, it's a great tournament. I live two miles away. It's my hometown event. I love this event. I go every year.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Like, it's part of the reason I moved to Jacksonville. It's awesome. But at the same time, like, if they're all about making this. major championship, then there's some things that they absolutely have to do. And they have to invite P this year, 100%. And maybe John Rom and Brian. John Rom and, yeah, Cam Smith back.
Starting point is 00:43:24 All those, I think, but also, like, I think they need to set it up like a fucking major championship then too. Yeah. It, like, it plays pillow soft no matter what. We've seen a lot of different weather types rolling up into the March, like, players championship. And it plays more like a PGA tour event than does. a major in the tournament in terms of difficulty.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Like, it plays more like a PJ Championship, which is not necessarily a compliment. That's not to say it's still on a great tournament to go in person. The television product is excellent. It's way less commercialized than like take Bay Hill the week before it. They bring out all kinds of bells and whistles. On that front is a, I don't know
Starting point is 00:44:01 if that's NBC just like being nice guys about it to the whole live from conversation. Like we've done a live from here forever. It's like, well, I think maybe the PJ tour is helping facilitate some of that stuff. I don't know if that's a totally objective decision. The LPGRA says the Evian
Starting point is 00:44:17 is a major championship, but also the LPGA also says that Grand Slam winners only have to win four of the five majors on the women's side, which is outrageous as well. It just feels tacky to have to lobby for it.
Starting point is 00:44:32 It's such a weird one because it's... They're not lobby. It's up to us. It's up to us. It's totally. It's up to you guys. It's not us. Can you can you both like hate everything about this and also totally understand why they're doing it is kind of where I think I find myself. I'm like I hate this but I'm also like dude you are you know we joke about it all the time it's like you're responsible for for giving these players 90% of their income without owning any of the five biggest properties in golf that's a hard place to be it's so much
Starting point is 00:45:02 better for the PJ tour for all of these you know the equity positions they're trying to create for SSG for the broadcast, for all of these, for all the people involved other than the PG of America, it would be better if the players was a major. Right. And it's kind of like, well, how do you get there? And I'm almost at this situation where it's like you kind of got to like roll this grenade now, start this conversation so that maybe if things come back together four or five years from now, we get back to a point where we do have the strongest field and everybody is there. Are people more warmed up to the conversation? I don't know. I don't know. I like the fact that they have it at the same course every year. I like the fact that it's very agnostic as far as
Starting point is 00:45:40 skill sets go. I think that they need to let Davis love cook as far as, hey, bring the bite back to like add some slope back to these greens and bring the bite back and bring some of the rawness and ruggedness to it. But also, like, I don't know if we need another, like a fourth domestic major as well. Like, I think, I think the players in the PGA championship are much closer together than the PGA championship is to the next closest major. I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:46:12 The Masters Open Championship, U.S. Open are so far ahead of the other four. And that's where I think that you look at the Australian Open on the tennis side 15, 20 years ago, was very far behind. They've made up ground. How have they done that by being innovative,
Starting point is 00:46:31 improving their product? I think if the PGA tour recognizes that, hey, our product is course set up and you know, just like other elements of the on course play, then hey, you know what? Maybe if you're willing to test some things and try
Starting point is 00:46:45 some things out, hey, we'll see where you go. It is interesting. I'd have to think about this more, I guess, but again, I'm just thinking about Brandl's points kind of beat by beat. It's the defending champion thing has always been a weird thing to beat your chest about to me. I'm saying, well, doesn't that just
Starting point is 00:47:01 kind of make it sound fluky? right where it's like well you know yeah no at majors like the best players are always in the top five because they're the best players and because they're major championship setups and isn't that kind of what we should be going for rather than just like you don't know who the fuck is going to win
Starting point is 00:47:17 it's crazy I'm like well that might yeah I don't know the leaderboards like even back in the day when the fields were the strongest fields they were leerboards were weird here's what I'll say like yes the four major championships have of course evolved over the years Arnold Palmer was you know
Starting point is 00:47:33 you know integral in creating this this structure I would say either when the player's championship debuted it became a major and now there's five majors in golf or like it can't become one like I don't it's gonna be super weird for people that follow it like throughout you know their their lives and their
Starting point is 00:47:48 their kind of life as golf fans to be like oh yeah tiger won two but they weren't majors yet we're not going to retroactively give majors to all these guys so then wait you know when you know Rory won at the second time was that a major I don't remember that like what But like, it's a mess.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Like, we, the majors are the majors, the players is the players. And I just don't, you know, maybe it is like we, it's, you know, history repeating itself of just this coming up every 10, 15 years or whatever it is. But I, I, I just been, I'm surprised because I'm, I'm very bullish on so much of what the tour is doing and the direction they're heading, the way they're incorporating fan feedback into what they're doing. Improvements they're making in the telecast, changes in the competitive structure, shrinking the tour like we've wanted, you know, really feeling like they're investing in the product. just pull like a live under par move this is what it felt like was just a your live under par socks on right now it just felt like that level of viral for me
Starting point is 00:48:42 and that was just surprising I was like man I really would have expected this from previous iterations of the previous iterations and also the commercial's not very good I agree with that it is a little yeah there's there's always balls in the water on 17 yeah some of the names are not you know you and I are big set guys
Starting point is 00:48:59 and even that I'm like wow that doesn't fucking seem like a major like some of these years too if the wind doesn't blow like there's not going to be any balls in the water yeah so it's just the best is that braddle hates that hole it's the one that everyone identifies me for this championship
Starting point is 00:49:14 it's so backwards it's I don't know I feel like I'm talking on both sides of my mouth but it is a it's a very interesting conversation and a very stupid conversation at the same time is kind of how I we're having we're sitting here having it but I'm talking about I definitively saying it's not the best nature that's where it entered like
Starting point is 00:49:29 this wouldn't have worked as an April Fool's Joe Brandel It really would not have. It's like, Brando, you got to make the whole bit a little bit more believable. Give T.C. a call before you're going to engage in a bit. Also, like, Piff, if you guys want an idea, just go down to Australia, make the Australian open like a $40 million event,
Starting point is 00:49:50 which is 1% of what you're spending on live every year. And just say that, like, put out a press release and say that that's amazing. and have it at Rome in Kingston. They're going to make Livriata major with this idea. No, but like go like go to that. Like make that the global major and say, you know what?
Starting point is 00:50:12 Like this is up for you guys to design. I would be, I would be more keen to say, you know what? Yeah, you know what? Put up $50 million a year for that. And all the best players go down there. I think that would be more of a major.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Started to sell like some of those premier golf league, golf belongs to the fans. It does. Type tweet. Speaking of things I forgot about, the Premier Golf League, gave it a good run, man. Did they?
Starting point is 00:50:38 I had a good plan. It was a good plan. Just kind of got bowled over. As we mentioned, P wins for the second time already on the DP World Tour. It's like two and a half times, right? 1. T2.1.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Yeah, he has not been beaten over 72 holes on the DP World Tour. On the first three starts, wins by two over Callum Hill. news also comes out this week. He's eligible for the Scottish Open since it's a DP World Tour event and is also co-sanctioned event.
Starting point is 00:51:09 And it, look, it's a teeny bit of an illusion. Like, I wonder if P. was playing the PJ Tour during this last stretch, does his record look a little bit more like Siwu Kim's looks like, maybe, potentially? But the dudes clearly entered a level of play we have not seen from him over the last several years. He was third in the Fedorah. Correct. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:29 That's three times worse than P. You know? But it's, I wish he could come back right now. Like this is the whole point. I think all of us have that want to see the best players in the world and all get together. It's like, I don't even want to have to qualify what he's doing right now. I just want to see him. I want to see him in Phoenix playing against all of these guys.
Starting point is 00:51:46 We were talking about it. We need a battlefield promotion. DP World Tour battlefield promotion. Win another one? You're in. I floated that out there. A lot of people believe that's actually a thing. Like people.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Like people, oh, so if he wins, he wins the magical Kenya open in a week and a half or two weeks, you're telling me that like he gets into Bay Hill. No, my friend T.C. told me that he's back in. That might get used golf facts back out. If he wins a third time and doesn't get the promotion, she's going to think that he got discriminated against yet. For sure. That could be it. Create your own reality.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Keep that up. If he wins again, you know, throw some ads at her and see if she. I thought, I mean, I watched a lot. I probably watched as much of the. guitar masters as I did the no you did no it was awesome you were because I was you're weighing in I was up early one person's like
Starting point is 00:52:35 yo the action and guitar right now is great it was it was so good I gotta take your word for it man Oliver Lendell like that guy's electric but then they've got those little rock bunkers they look like little grottoes like little patios that it looks like the St. Andrews book at bridge it's awesome it's
Starting point is 00:52:54 they're so penalized like guys have to take unplayables from them and they're right off the green the greens roll right into them he's taking his next buddies tripping guitar that's like the golf digest when they did the golf dot com
Starting point is 00:53:09 the buddies tripped to Saudi Arabia that you were called of golf dot com you were simpler times no but the car like so I was up early watching the the winter Olympics in guitar master you want to talk about Lindsey Vaughn You were, you were.
Starting point is 00:53:27 It was awesome. Well, it wasn't awesome. I mean, like, what a way to go out. You were moved by this. It was like, she doesn't have an ACL. That's crazy. And she crashed and then they helicoptered her. They pole line helicoptered her out on a gurney.
Starting point is 00:53:43 And like, that's it. That's her career. Like, what a way to just, it's like a novel. Yeah. Like, honestly, the thing that I think about is like the cat. Well, we were talking about it today. I feel like that's just been memory hold but all golf fans Lindsay Vaughan and Tiger
Starting point is 00:53:59 the ski mask missing two it's just like that's what they should have done to Tiger at 40 pines like that's the equivalent right like there's no Masters he won though he did win I know but then like they after he won after he made
Starting point is 00:54:19 the cut at the 20 was it after the 22 masters he made the cut yeah after he finished that they should have just yeah that's probably a better airlift of out of it I don't know. I just, I thought that was wildly admirable. The downhill, it's such a pure race.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Like they, you got to get down to the bottom of the hill as fast as you can. Whoever gets down. It doesn't matter how. You just get that, they get down fast. It's awesome. What were you talking about, Sally? We're guitar masters. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:48 It's starting to move on. We'll give a shout to our friends at SOFI, the ultimate finance app for sponsoring today's SoFi get your money right moment. You go to SOFI.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with SoFi. Plus, DJ, do you have a little sofa, get your money right for us? You know who got their money right this week? Straight up. No, uh, no bit, no anything. It was a live golf thing. Elvis Smiley, uh, was in the position to make a move to live golf. Probably got a nice little chunk of change for moving over there and immediately saw dividends. I think he
Starting point is 00:55:19 finished. I put it in my know. It's what a 23rd or something in 23rd on the race to Dubai last year. Very good season as a 22 year old on on the DP World Tour. How much you think he made? We're finishing 23rd on the race to Dubai. 600,000 euros. Because the tournament he won was the Australian. That's a bad guess. Open. And I think it was like a $250,000 or $300,000 win.
Starting point is 00:55:40 I think it was like a million euros for winning. And today he won 5.7 against a pretty bad field, including a share of the team. 5.7 for first place now? Yeah, they up to 25 million. And that is a say what you want about live golf, but I think our guy got his money right. It was kind of my thing.
Starting point is 00:56:01 I don't think he's making that if he's cleaning up with the guitar masters this week. I think your guy Brad Clifton at the Australian Golf Digest. My guy needed to take a cold shower after that victory in Australian Golf Digest. Just an absolute victory lap
Starting point is 00:56:16 for just this is the greatest move ever made in the history of golf. The whole world was watching this young man shoot down John Rom and at night. Under the lights. it was just, yeah, I never will quite understand, rooting for somebody else's bank account,
Starting point is 00:56:31 but it was just a frothed up. Listen to the start of this. Talk about taking care of business and a flash. Shout out to Neil what he was doing upstairs. For years, the script around LivGolf has been depressantly predictable. Sellout, Saudi money, career suicide, talented young players taking the check
Starting point is 00:56:51 and torching their futures. Elvis Smiley wasn't immune. He copped his fair whack after joining camps Smith's Ripper GC team in January. Well, all the mile, everybody at the bar was like, can you believe that was Smiley went to live? That's crazy. Well, Smiley just tore that script up under the lights in Riyadh and tossed it into the desert.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Yeah, maybe. The world was watching. But I will say, I mean, genuinely, we talked on our, our episode on Tuesday, Saul, we were talking about the world rankings news and some of that stuff. We're kind of like, man, this is a path for some of these young players to go skip the line a little bit. And if you can, you know, the points are so top. heavy. The money is so good. Like it is a genuinely compelling strategy for young players like him to go over and, you know, I keep using that phrase, but like, yeah, skip the line a little bit
Starting point is 00:57:38 to earn money to get some ranking points. I think he's up inside. He's kind of zeroing in like the top 60-ish. Skip the well done. OWGR with this. Well, skip the line. I listen to like what, what they've, this, this is not an unfair characterization of what's going on here. They're doing top 10. Yes. And because it's only top 10, the distribution to those top 10 is higher? It's, it's true. I mean, it's like you win. Scotty was one shot out of a playoff at the waste management Phoenix open with a field rating in that event about three times higher, more than three times higher than the live event.
Starting point is 00:58:12 And I believe, because Scott was in a T3 split with a lot of people, Elvis finally got more world ranking points than Scottie did this past week, despite there being five players in the entire live field that have a half stroke, true strokes gained or better. like that's the distribution and I just like and then literally in the we went over this on Tuesday but literally in the OWGR statement it like acknowledges the shortcomings that Livgolf has and is giving 23 points
Starting point is 00:58:37 to the winner and like Elvis Smiley went from like one in the 130s to around 80 last I looked in the world ranking and like with some more success could play his way into the Masters by skipping the 23rd on the DP World Tour last year. Did he magically become that much better of a player on Livgolf gets to jump that many spots? I think OWGR has got some problems on their hand.
Starting point is 00:58:58 I mean, we'll give them to some, some of the live golfers don't necessarily agree, of course. But man, I remain stunned by all of this. I think the kind of macro live golf thing, though, that still, I still think everything I think about the young players, this could be a good pathway. This makes a lot of sense. I still don't totally get how that's just a path to some,
Starting point is 00:59:24 takeover of the golf world, right? Where it's like you're still kind of, I just don't think anybody's Australians probably, yes, but I don't think a lot of people around the world are tuning in to watch Elvis Smiley or Michael LaFasso or some of these players that are trying to get their money right and kind of jump up a couple spots. Cam said that Elvis had the potential to be the number one player in the world, though. He did.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Yeah, I just, I want to live in a world where words matter. Do you see? You don't, you wouldn't even said that. You know, you would not have even said that. he's not even in the he's not even in your five who was Mr. Irrelevant this week who was the 11th player that didn't get
Starting point is 01:00:00 a world ranking points I hope it's Gooch um it was Gucci he was solo 12 minus 16 uh yeah you want to live corner now
Starting point is 01:00:16 sure yeah absolutely thus concludes get your money right yes that is a shout you can go to sophy.com slash nL you to learn more about how you can get your money right SoFi plus. Let us know if you want to nominate somebody else for the get your money right moment. Let's see. Well, first of all, shout out to Ripper G.C. You guys know I have a soft spot in my heart for Ripper. A tough week for the High Flyers this week. High Flyers.
Starting point is 01:00:42 On and off, of course. Yeah, Phil didn't make the trip. We'll get there. The High Flyers finished 55 shots back of Ripper G.C. River G.C. was minus 72 holes. Cuts both ways, man. Brendan Steele was the only player in the entire field to finish over par. He was four over. Talk about a name I have not thought of once. Also, I just thought it was very interesting that the five wild card players in the field, some of whom are wild cards because Liv is racist against the Japanese guys, are they all finished T-22 or better.
Starting point is 01:01:19 It's also night golf. Is this even real golf? Does this count, right? Yeah, it's crazy. All right, what else we got? The Cleeks stink right now. They were second to last. Just right now?
Starting point is 01:01:29 Yeah, just right now. Okay. They did sign a water deal with Icelandic glacial. They were the runner up and get your money rights. Yeah, the Cleaks did. Oh, that's congratulations. Yeah, they got a water deal. Super quick.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Can a team qualify for the Fedora five? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, I think if they... Something to maybe watch. Yeah. Yeah. We had Lelijian 13 ring ceremony after they won their...
Starting point is 01:01:53 Put the banner up. Yeah. It was the banner raising in Riyadh there. Do you see the Lassaso versus Blandi? This is a top T-C. You cannot ride for your guy. This was sociopathic. Wait, you think Llandi was in the wrong?
Starting point is 01:02:08 Yeah. It was psychotic. Literally everyone. Everyone. Can you explain what happened? Yeah, Lissasso stood on the T-box for like 12 seconds after he hit his- Very normal amount of time. He hit his ball.
Starting point is 01:02:20 He was watching it, watching it land. And Blandy just gets to get it. in his fate. It was what Neil vowed not to do. Because Neil's had a problem with this in the past, getting a little too it's my time. I'm going to crowd I'm going to crowd the T-box get the fuck out of the way. I'm trying to tee it up. He did not
Starting point is 01:02:35 want to do this. Blandi, apparently taking the opposite attack. He's leaning in. Listen, pace of play. You can't have it both ways. Landy wants to play fast. Maybe more guys are doing that. We would have finished Phoenix. Anyway, this is Lassaso. This is Lassaso's
Starting point is 01:02:50 first event. He's a rookie. he's a young buck out there where did he finish this week he finished like middle of the pad middle of the word blandie finish not good it was bad it wasn't a good course fit they're going to adelaide this week uh what else o wGR winging anything else you want to
Starting point is 01:03:06 you want to get there yeah we have some quotes um i think this was from tc's boy flushing it uh i posted this video on the everything app john rom was asked about the uh injustice uh the live golfers were served here is it i believe his full quotes Yeah, it's fantastic that we're getting points. It's fantastic that we're being recognized in a way. With that said, I don't like how we're not being treated the same as every other tour. It seems like the rules that have been in place that really apply to us with only 10 of us getting points. It doesn't seem fair. The small fields out there throughout the course of the year that get full points, our full players get points, right? So there's work to be done. There's work to be done.
Starting point is 01:03:52 While it's good for some people, it could cause some players to actually lose world ranking points instead of gain them, because finishing 11th is basically a miscutting to the divisor. But I'm thankful that I would say Liv Goff got their foot on the door. And there's a possibility for us to walk in the room and, you know, be recognized as a tour as we should be. Hey, I think I'm remembering this right. feel like those guys were advertising pretty hard about how different their tour was. I feel like that was a pretty big selling point. Like you guys just don't get it.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Yeah, but now they're playing in 32 holes. Now they're back to, sure, 72 holes, but you just don't get it. You know, our fields are smaller. Everything's contained. We have this team aspect of it. Like, to pull the, I don't get what we're being treated different than other tours.
Starting point is 01:04:40 And he cites the rules. Like, literally you don't. They have the rules and you don't follow them. And they said that in the statement and still gave you points. It's just like, I just, I can't, I can't, I can't do this round anymore. Like the whole round of winging, like, I'm on the complete opposite side of the spectrum, of course, or whether or not they, I think they should have got any points and to whinge
Starting point is 01:04:59 and whine about this from a kind of like ROM that I really respect, like, just should not be there. It, it just, that just rub me really the wrong way. I just, I, I shouldn't get this worked up about it, but I obviously, ab. And, uh, I, I just, I can't, I just can't deal with this propaganda. I just cannot. There's nothing to add. Yeah, fully aligned.
Starting point is 01:05:24 He didn't bring up a decent point on the top 10 of the distribution. I had not thought of like now if you finish 11th, it's not like it gets a start added to you. And so if you're playing on other tours and you get to finish 11th in a live golf event, that is going to hurt your ranking. So which it should probably if you're not beating, you know, most of the field. It's kind of a fuck around. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:46 Which I think is, again, And I think the point for Liv would be, like, you don't give a shit if Anthony Kim gets into majors. Like, you're trying to get Tiro Hatton and John Rom and Bryson and Cam Smith. And, like, you're trying to get those guys into majors, right? I mean, that still could do through special exemptions. All of you. For sure. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:06 But I'm saying, like, I think you only care about the guys that are going to be in the top 10 a lot. I guess what's-opened up for Elvis Smiley. Like, you know what I mean? What's the point of the OWGR? So the OWGR is the four majors. TC, it's the PGA Tour and it's the DP World Tour and it's the worldwide federation of international tours or something like that. A lot of other tours fall up into that one.
Starting point is 01:06:27 But it's those seven people that are on the board that represent the official OWGR, they have come up with a criteria that across the world, if you're going to play in golf events and earn points to try to qualify to play in those events, if a top 50 in the world ranking gets you in the players, can get you into PGA tour events, it'll get you into majors, it'll get you into the Masters. I'll get you in the U.S. Open. Your world ranking can get you into these events. They unify the standards across the world to say if you want to earn points to qualify. If you want to play in our events, our system, you've got to earn points through tournaments like this. They went way out of that and they very clearly said like you're not going to get points.
Starting point is 01:07:02 After four years, they did start giving them some. But there's still this notion out there of like the majors need to throw the OWGR out. The majors are the OWGR. Like it's their system to decide how they're figuring out who qualifies for their events. I'm saying is if you're, if you're playing devil's advocate and the point of the OWGR is to figure out who's playing in the majors and there's a few guys on live that are playing good golf, wouldn't you want to figure out how to determine who on live is playing good golf? The US Open hat, like literally made a special exemption for live of like the top player
Starting point is 01:07:37 one guy that's not already qualified. Like on the list gets a special exemption into that day. Hasn't the master's given special exemption to live players too? Neiman? Yeah, Wauke Neiman got a special exemption in the Masters. Like, if I was, they might rather be in full control of who I actually want. Totally. Versus like that. Well, they want to pick on Eva Smiley.
Starting point is 01:07:55 They want 12 guys in not want, you know what I mean? Yeah, but like I don't want to pick on Evo Smiley, but I don't think like you want to create the incentive if you are, you know, a whatever player coming out of college and say, all right, I can go beat that field. It's really only like 30 guys over there and I can jump from 100 in the world to write knocking on the door, getting in the masters. Is that any different than what Brooks Kepka and Peter Euline did? coming out of college. I mean, they played full D.P World Tour events that people qualified for. Yeah, but against weaker fields.
Starting point is 01:08:24 Yeah, the points reflected the weaker fields. They're pretty manipulating back then, though. That was bad back then. There's only one ranking system I can think of that incorporates all these tours Seamlessly. Seamlessly.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Thank you guys. You should start, can non-golfer's get in the fedora five? I don't know if TGL, can TGL golfers get in the Ford I don't know. Who are the TjL golfers even? Is it just isolated to males or can females get the FDORO 5 too?
Starting point is 01:08:52 These are all questions. Yeah. Yeah. We could have found out if Craig Kessler wouldn't have been worried about injuries. That would have been a great way to move up the rankings. Phil Sable News is this next part of the agenda. Federal investigators have subpoenaed Texas-based oil drillers, Sable offshore core, following a report from Hunter Book Media that the company selectively disclosed information to investors.
Starting point is 01:09:15 including Phil Mickelson. This is just on the monitoring list. When I told you a couple months ago, did you invest or not? I did not. Okay. Did you? I did not.
Starting point is 01:09:26 A lot of people reaching out about the Bitcoin week and the crypto week, still hoddling, still stacking stats. I'm not even remotely fearful about it. Hell yeah. Great time to buy. Did you buy your coin? I did not. Are you going to?
Starting point is 01:09:39 Eventually, when it falls to like 48 or 49. Wait, I hope it doesn't then. This is an interesting little. interview from Bryson. This is from a Frosty Golf Twitter account. Just Bryson being Brison. He's got some updates on some
Starting point is 01:09:57 equipment stuff he's been working on. Did you get it in the bag in time? Unfortunately. So it's being worked on. It's a longer process than we thought. But it's close. It's we got a set of irons and they're close but not there yet.
Starting point is 01:10:13 The driver actually have it here this week. I haven't sent it the USGA yet, but we're just messing around with it and won't be using it. But it's a great step in the right direction. It's giving me probably 20 more yards of distance at least. It's pretty wild. And it's the right CT numbers and everything. So it's pretty wild what we've done with it. The Iron Game obviously was a bit of an issue in the big moments of you last year. Do you feel like this new set is going to give you more comfort? 100%. The new design is going to help on the heel. We flattened it on the toe. It's the same curvature. sure. So I really do believe it's going to enhance my game out there because it's close. The irons are close, but it's ultimately prohibiting me from being the best I possibly can be.
Starting point is 01:10:53 Wow. Just sounds like some more great developments. Just 20 more yards of distance and self-correcting irons on this front. But 20 yards farther. We'll see. Not yet approved by the USGA. I would love to understand how this is getting. Shout out to manufacturing, though. It's true.
Starting point is 01:11:11 All right. I think it's time officially for the TC monitoring list. How many items are on the TC monitoring list? I got 10 things for you, 10-ish things.
Starting point is 01:11:21 I don't want to see if anything pops up when we start. First things first. I want to give a shout out to the Corn Ferry Tour. Great leaderboard down in Columbia this week at the Astara
Starting point is 01:11:33 Golf Championship presented by MasterCard down at the Funda Dora's course down to Bogota. James Nicholas prevails Eagles 72nd to issued 66 66 on the weekend. To win.
Starting point is 01:11:47 To beat the panda. Norman Jong by two. Carson Young was third. Jackson Subaru, aka the detective, was fourth. So very, very good leaderboard there. I love this section of the Corn Ferry Tour schedule. You've got the Argentinian Open coming up here in a couple weeks.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Jockey Club? Jockey Club. They got a Chile after that. Love it. LPGA loose ends. Anything else on the Craig Kessler? I know he came on the podcast earlier this week. I think the one thing that if he was concerned about
Starting point is 01:12:26 players getting hurt, why did they send the eight players who hadn't finished yet out? So, yeah, I wish I would have maybe probed a little bit harder on that part. But here's what I understand. I guess, you know, we had a great conversation with Craig. He was pretty up. front about, you know, some mistakes that were made.
Starting point is 01:12:43 He wasn't extremely specific on what the actual mistakes were. I think that was probably intentional from his standpoint, but I think it, he did raise a hand to say, you know, things did not go the way they wanted and they had screwed up. If I'm going to read between the lines on what happened here was they're concerned about safety, players are in their ear about safety, worried about being frozen ground, whatever that might be. I think they would say privately, like we made the wrong call to too early, say it's 54 hole tournament. And once you've made that call, you can undo it. We are only,
Starting point is 01:13:14 we're sticking to 54 holes. That was made early afternoon, late morning, sometime that was kind of too early. Between 11 and noon, I think. So that's, that's the mistake. So now we're in a new world after we've made that call. Starts to warm up in the afternoon. Celebrities come off the course said the course is fine. Now we got to get 54 holes in. What a sentence, by the way. Yeah. Course is safe. Marty Fish is saying it's totally cool. Honica says... Onica said it didn't help. But now you got eight players to finish to get to 54 holes
Starting point is 01:13:45 or else you've got to delete the third round in there and make it a 36-hole tournament. I think if you injected them with truth serum, they would have said, man, I wish we'd have just at least gotten as much golf as we could have in this afternoon, finished on Monday. We made a mistake here. But course is safe enough now to send the remaining eight players out
Starting point is 01:14:00 to finish round three. To be clear, the course was 100% safe the whole time. Totally. And I think that they're balancing, like, hearing from players that didn't think it was safe. And, you know, I think that's a learning, a learned lesson. Again, I'm kind of filling in the blanks for them here to say, like, yeah, maybe we need to stand up to our players and say, no, get out there and play for your sponsor and
Starting point is 01:14:20 for to be on network television and all that. Like, it did not go great. I think they, you know, they know it didn't go great and we're willing to, in some way, raise a hand and say, here's what kind of went wrong. But that's, that's me going in between the lines of how that played out. Would you agree with that? yeah i think Craig Craig put his hand up ate some shit
Starting point is 01:14:41 on behalf of his players i think you know many of whom didn't want to play and probably should have been told tough tough shit like you know get out there uh and i don't think that that that's going to happen again and it seemed like they caught that exposed a bunch of their bad processes
Starting point is 01:14:58 you know from an operational perspective as well so i think only other thing for me i'm probably uh beating a dead horse for anyone who follows the lpGA closely, but it was more, uh, one of my big takeaways was just the schedule stuff. And again, like how much that, how far they still have to go on that where even if you had the greatest Sunday ever and you had, you know, Nelly won, but even if you had her holding off Lydia Coe and Amy Yang and and, uh, Lottie Wode and all these people that were up there,
Starting point is 01:15:29 you had the greatest finish ever on Sunday. It's like, well, it's still going to be, what, two months, a month and a half before we, six weeks before we see Nellie again. And it's, and it's, It's like, you know, for all the the momentum that was cost, I'm almost like, I don't know if it really was because it's really hard to get momentum going. At least here in the States when it's like you immediately take a couple weeks off, then go to Asia for a month and then, you know, come back. So, yeah, just a lot of learnings, I guess, or a lot of questions. I think all you need to do is listen to Nellie's interviews and press her to know that like she didn't want to play golf. She said it out loud. I want to give a special shout out to Peacock
Starting point is 01:16:12 who's forcing a commercial on anyone who hops into an Olympic stream, even if you're joining midstream of a commercial break already. So you get a commercial into a commercial. I just want to shout out Aunt Molly and the whole gang over there. There was a pretty shocking piece in the athletic this week about the mastermind behind NBC's Olympic transformation, quote, she is a visionary by Andrew Marchand. So we are not in Kansas anymore.
Starting point is 01:16:43 The Africa AM took place this week at Royal Johannesburg. Jack Buchanan of South Africa won by six shots over three of his countrymen who finished T2. And then Lisa Kutzer of South Africa won the women's comp. They get into, I think the Dunhill links. Really? Yeah. The AM, a few other tournaments.
Starting point is 01:17:04 I'm not up on the Africa AM. I need to, I'm glad you're monitor. No, neither is, you know, neither are the USGA and Augusta National. Like, they don't get into the master's or anything like that. So it's kind of a, but I don't think it's a very deep event as of yet. So, PJ of America, new CEO. Yeah. Terry Clark, he was the CMO at United Health. DJ, why do you think he wanted to take this job?
Starting point is 01:17:32 We're not doing that, T.C. Come on, too. We're not doing that. Don't know anything about him. I wish, you know, wish him all the best. Someone's got to clean up the toys
Starting point is 01:17:41 that are kind of strewed about the room. He seems like a real adult. Yeah, seems like it. Don't know. I don't think I would want to work as a marketing official for United Health.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Right about now, that seems like, golf seems like an easier product to sell than health insurance. So welcome to the squad. Yeah. No quotes from Don Ray. And Nathan Charns was,
Starting point is 01:18:04 What more can I say? It was featured there. Don just being sideline the whole nine months before his tournament. I just, I don't know what else Don could have to say right now. I think he's just. There's no one more thing to add on to that. I thought there were like 31,000 people. Hang it out of everywhere.
Starting point is 01:18:19 I know. I know. Ryan Ogle, the former tournament director for the PGA championship at Valhalla, Future Rider Cup. Oran, or yeah, Aronimic. He's headed to Churchill Downs as they're kind of, head of sales and everything.
Starting point is 01:18:35 So a very long-winded thing on LinkedIn there. Mr. Player, not happy about eranimate cutting down trees. Yeah. Just another thing. He's not happy with Gil Hans. He's consistent on this. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:49 He said it's still a magnificent golf course, but people have been advising these clubs incorrectly. They say they want to get the golf course back to its original state. So does this mean that all golf courses cut down every tree? Makes you think? Yeah, it does. What else we got? We've got a cool story.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Terry Edie Caddy is carrying some clubs the length of New Zealand for charity. Unreal. This was courtesy of the BBC. My subscription ran out. I got I got the. Oh, we wish him all the bad. Dougie. Dougie's his name.
Starting point is 01:19:26 Going from Mangavai all the way down. We've got, let's see, we had a proposal at the good good, Desmeringhammed. open. Do you see this? You lean forward just a little bit. There we go. You lean it to see it. The buzzing. Shale Samberg. I did see this. I think, yeah, best wishes to the couple.
Starting point is 01:19:46 I don't think that's, I don't know if my wife would be my wife if I proposed her at the good, good invitational, but that's, I hope it works for them. I think she would. You think? It's true love. Yeah, well, maybe you're right. Maybe I should try it. Maybe we should renew our vows. I want to give a shout out to Dylan D. D. Chair's warm-up
Starting point is 01:20:01 convo with Speeth. I don't know if you guys watch this. this week. I did it. It's great. I feel like we're entering speed SZN here and it was it was just it was delightful. What makes you feel that way based on the conversation? No, I feel like Chris Spieth SCN coming to Pebble Beach. Oh, oh, oh, sure, sure, sure. I see. Yeah. No, I don't think he's about to win or anything. I think DB straight Vibein and Mav McNeil are a little playoff this week. I love it. Neither of them or even in the Fedora five. Guys, this last last thing I've got this is this is this is, this is like the main, this is the main event for the podcast this week. Okay.
Starting point is 01:20:39 I can't believe we haven't gotten here yet. Adam Shupak's weekly meal drop, this call featuring Ryan Moore. I mean, this is, this is as good as it gets. I mean, Sally, where do we, where do we go here? Yeah. There's so much to dig into. But it's kind of the same thing that's been in a lot of these. But yeah, the quotes from, from Ryan Moore, I'm paraphr-
Starting point is 01:21:01 I'm not, I'm not getting, you're not, I'm not giving you all of them, but he said talking about going back to the Corn Ferry Tour, being a past champion trying to play out of status like that. He says, you don't get anything and that's so different for me. I feel like the first 10 years I was on tour, they appreciated people in my position who had been there, done that. They did everything to kind of create some playing opportunities for past champions. They appreciated that player a lot more.
Starting point is 01:21:26 Now they're like, this is what lives very good at. Now they're like, what have you done for me lately? Please go away. go away as fast as you can. You mean nothing to us. Like, that's how I feel. My issue with everything they've done is they just throw everything out there, claim there's a trickle down, but it doesn't trickle down past 20 players. Everything the tour is doing is working against you, and you feel like you're beating your head against the wall. He's talking about, going on talking about the corn fairy tour. He said, make that sort of nice place
Starting point is 01:21:52 to fall down to. I would have so much less issue if there was some developmental tour where more than a handful of guys can make a living. Am I going to go lose money on corn fairy? so I can play against a bunch of 20-year-olds who hit it 50 yards farther than me. It doesn't make any sense. What about that makes any sense, except I might be able to work on my... Except I might be able to work my way back.
Starting point is 01:22:13 That's not a great system for me toward getting my way back on, so that's why I'm not doing it. The tour's done nothing to actually support people that are scrapping and fighting, trying to make it. It's very, very silly, everything that they're doing.
Starting point is 01:22:24 So he's saying that if he goes down to the corner ferry tour, he can't beat these guys and get back to the PGA tour. at golf at golf okay and so that that's not fair it's not a safe landing place for him he's kind of in that no man's land of of in there's more stuff about how he told monahan the the champion store age to go down to 45 because there's all these guys what happens to the 60 year old champions store guys I'm sure they probably don't want it to go down to 45 I think we should create another tour and then what happens like let's say that the tour created tournaments that were opposite the majors or big events that created playing opportunities for these guys to tee it up
Starting point is 01:23:04 and let's say they put up, you know, three and a half, four, six million dollars for these, would Ryan Moore go, go tee it up in those? It sounds like it. Why are you asking T.C.? Well, he didn't because he wanted to sell shoes instead, which like the whole thing, just miss me with all of this stuff. But you don't understand T.C.
Starting point is 01:23:24 He's not good at golf anymore and he still wants to make money playing golf. What don't you understand about that? Why isn't the tour going out of their way make that happen. Does the tour have a pension? It's just crazy to me that like does the NBA say you know what? Like this guy is not
Starting point is 01:23:42 because of basketball anymore. We are going to allow him to play for the next four or five years. And you know what? We're going to send him down to the G League but we're still going to give him three or four million bucks a year. It's fucking insane. Ryan Moore career earnings.
Starting point is 01:23:59 Oh, so much. much. Probably $28 million. Over each. 41. 34 or 0.4 million dollars. Let me split the difference, D.C. I just, I don't, I just don't understand it.
Starting point is 01:24:15 It's a lot of money for playing golf, man. Yeah, I don't know. I don't get it either. I don't kid it either. He was great. He was a rider cup or like really, really good player. One of the best amateurs ever. Victim of the new era of distance. He says it up loud.
Starting point is 01:24:29 Yeah. like these guys are hitting a 50 past me. I can't beat them. I think he's looking a little too closely at the pure economics of going down and playing the corn fairy tour. Like you're not supposed to make a fat living on the corn fairy tour. It's supposed to be. They don't want guys hanging out of the car fairy tour. For this reason. Yeah. That's what half the guys in his position have said, we don't want the corn fairy tour being a place where guys can make a living. Yeah, we need it to be either or.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Adam Hadwin's down there, like trying to make his way back to the PJ Tories. Not as old as Ryan Moore, but like, yeah, that's what happens. When you lose your status, you go down there and you play. If you beat them, you're right back on there playing for 15 million bucks a week, 11 million bucks. I just, bottom line, these guys need to keep talking to Adam. I know. Shout to Adam.
Starting point is 01:25:09 He continues to get them to say things that they should never say out loud to reporters, but they keep doing it. It's the best. So that's going to just about do it for tonight's show. We have a massive week coming up here at the AT&T, Pellble Beach, Broam, a massive content slate. We're going to be live on the range like we have in the last couple of years. That's 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Starting point is 01:25:30 Eastern time. Got a bunch of guests rolling through. So that's a three-hour live show on Wednesday from the range. Going to be breaking down the week, previewing it, playing a lot of games and whatnot. And then we're doing something different this year. On Thursday, we're going to be doing a live watch-along during the Thursday coverage. Probably going to be around the 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern time zone, maybe two to four on the West Coast. It's going to depend on a few things there. But we're going to be at the AT&T house and just watching some coverage.
Starting point is 01:25:58 It's going to be like guys name and dudes. We're just going to play some games. We're going to have some fun. Maybe send Neil out to do some stupid stuff. It's going to be really fun. We've got a bunch of great video drops coming this week, a bunch of social media content coming as well. I'm really looking forward to the week.
Starting point is 01:26:12 What else are you doing on Thursday? I received an extremely late invite also to play in the Pebble Beach Pro Am. So I will be teeing it up somewhere at Cyprus. Or not Cyprus. Spyglass or Pebble on Thursday. Maybe Cyprus. I don't know. playing the celebrity portion, I should say.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Correct. You're not getting one of the Brooks. You have a sponsor exemption. I am on my number. I was first alternate. Man, we were going to invite Brooks, but you're telling us we can't do that. I guess we'll invite solid. No, they invited Brooks.
Starting point is 01:26:43 They got two more amateurs into the field. So I'm greatly, greatly, greatly looking forward to that. Very, very last minute. Games, not quite in shape, but we're going to have a lot of fun with that. And I got some great, great caddies coming out with me. I think that's going to be some great content. And you'll be, we'll bring a lot of that very upfront via our social channels as well. So it's good social.
Starting point is 01:27:07 We're going to get extremely. So it's going to be, yeah, we have a lot of meetings to cover before that. And yeah, it's one of the best weeks of the year. We're really looking forward to. We appreciate AT&T having us out. And we got, this is going to be our best, best slate ever that we've had of content. Yeah. We got a new podcast Monday evening.
Starting point is 01:27:23 New podcast coming Monday evening. New deep dive series. We took a dive into the 1994 PGA tour. season. I know we've done a lot of different deep dives over the years. This is one we've wanted to do for years where I was looking for a year to start in the 90s somewhere. We landed on 94. A lot of crazy fun stuff happens that year. Dean Beeman takes over. Uh, you know, there's the FTC investigation. Tim, Tim Fincham takes over. Dean Beeman takes, yeah, he, uh, that's his last year of commissionership, Tim Fincham takes over. There's an FTC investigation. Greg Norman World Tour. All kinds
Starting point is 01:27:55 of stuff. A strike year. Happens in 1994. The expose got screwed. Yes. uh great great deep that's coming up monday night uh so look for that as well and we also have a video out on wednesday tc took a uh a trip to vegas to go up in a plane uh with a certain pilot one mav mcneley captain mcnealy and we got it all on tape and it is exhilarating stuff so uh yeah we we we're we're very really really excited about uh all the content this week um tgl this week i know you're really excited about yeah we got yeah three of the six guys playing this week aren't even on these teams We've got Luke Clanton, Neil Shipley, Minwu Lee. I think that's what?
Starting point is 01:28:38 What team is that? I don't even know. I think that's the bay. I think that's the bay. Going against Fienow, Fleetwood, and Sahith. So super cool there. Just anybody can play for anybody at this point. It's like the NIL era of PGL.
Starting point is 01:28:51 I feel like everybody kind of slowly wandering away from the purpose-built sofa center to just like, oh, yeah, I can't. make it that week is kind of the saddest would be the saddest route tgl could could go here but uh yeah that's kind of kind of a heavy uh so that's tomorrow night opposite a signature event on the west coast is it's had to be a tough time slot to fill no shit man that's kind of the whole point so so sahit tommy well sahat just got in on a sponsor exemption yeah so sahat bull be plagued this that no he will be flea wood's playing pebble they're going to fly they're going to fly out the pebble that night or Monday morning
Starting point is 01:29:30 or Tuesday morning. Oh my God. This is your boy, Sally. Not, okay. Another top 20 this week, I think. DJ's getting nervous. Anyway. Anyways, that's going to do it for tonight.
Starting point is 01:29:41 Thanks everyone for tuning in. Who won the Super Bowl, by the way? I think the Seahawks. 29 to 13 final. No spoilers. I saw two plays of the whole thing, I think. But that's part of the job. Thank you everyone for Tee's Seahops.
Starting point is 01:29:56 Thank you everyone for tuning in. please join us for live shows this coming week we are very very very excited about it uh and crack on cheers cheers

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