No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1118: Live at Pebble Beach (Wed)

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

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Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. All right, folks, this is the podcast version of our live show that we did at the range at the AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro Am.

We trimmed out commercial breaks and a lot of other technical issues that we ran into on this one. So bear with us on this podcast recording. Hopefully all that fat has been trimmed out. But with only for the delay, let's get right into it. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Live show coming to you live from the range here at the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Am. Sali here, joined by my crew. Hello, Mr. T.C. how are you? Greetings, Sally.

Just a February day here on the peninsula. Mr. J. Pye is here. Hello, DJ. Hello, guys. I'm enjoying the balmy weather here, you know, got to get out of Milwaukee, got to soak up some of these beautiful 48-degree cold, windy, cold, windy. mornings. It's been great. I'm happy to be here. Icarito Neil Schuster is here as well. It's always good to be out here.

It's, balmy is right compared to what we're getting on the East Coast. That's right. We had a plan. The plans change. As you know, we were going to be outside. We've been outside the last couple of years. The rain has not supported us being outside this year. So we have moved inside the performance studio here at the Hay. The range. I'm not sure exactly what the facility is called here. But it is AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro Am week. And we are here for the third year in a row live. at Pebble Beach proudly presented by our friends at AT&T.

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We're working through some tech issues here as we had to move inside as well. So please bear with us. Those guys were laying fiber as you were reading that. Right out here. Cords going everywhere. Thank you to those guys. Yeah. That's right.

What's the week been like here, guys so far? What have we been getting into? Not a lot. All right. I mean, doing an offsite. That's the less kind of sexy stuff maybe. But, you know, a little company get together, company offsite, talking through that stuff, which has been great.

We got to get out and see our good personal friend, Jordan Spieth. Yes, we did. And Michael. You got to caddy. Cody is here to break something down for us. We're having some camera issues here. So good morning to everybody that's out there, right? We had to move outside, inside, like Sully said.

I'm working through some video issues. So audio is good right now, right? But it looks like we got a frozen camera that I'm dealing with. So deal with me for a little bit. They can't see us right now. I can only see Neil and Dege. So you guys are real. That's a big radio.

Let's just mute these guys. We'll carry the show. Yeah, exactly. Why don't you guys take five? Go back to Ad Astra or something. Yeah. Yeah, we, you know, you mentioned we got to see Jordan Spieth, which I think kind of is like a side door into maybe the news of the week,

which is Sally's playing in the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Am this week, which is nuts. You've done it before. You got to play with, was it Chris Strauss. But in the group with Bill Murray. And you got a late, late call to play again. So because of that, we got to, you know, go out and see Spief.

You got to do some cadding. You're going to be caddying tomorrow. I want to get back on the bag after our USGA qualifier years ago, you know, see if we can get the band back together. It hits the hill. It hits a lot of hills to hit out there. A lot of hills to potentially hit out there.

But I did do some, you know, do some work, some proper work with Michael Greller to, you know, just kind of tighten up my caddy skills. How'd that work go? Pretty well. I mean, I'm not going to lie to the yardage books are overwhelming. A lot of numbers coming at you really quickly.

Jordan's a super processor. are great with arithmetic. Yeah. I gotta be honest, guys, in our modern world, I'm not doing a ton of math in my head. These kind of, I froze up a little bit on the numbers. You were a creative writing major? I was, yes, much more of a, I don't know if that's left brain or right brain, but whatever the words are on that part.

Left. Left is task oriented, right brain is creative. I think right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right as well. That's why I forgot which one is what. You know, Greller said, he was like your, your vibe is great. And that's, that's most of the job, you know, and we really worked on our bunker technique. He's a true technician, raking those bunkers.

So I think I learned a lot, which was great. I feel like we're kind of dancing around this, but we have video of this. I don't know if we, Cody, is that helpful to throw that up now? We can, we can play a little video of Spieth and Greller and Neal to an extent working through their process. Hopefully we'll see on the other side with some connectivity. Got to get in the book here, but 250 front, are we looking at the end of the fairway as a layup or the fat part of the fairway?

Yeah, I'm going to try to, the pins, five. today I try to have 85 yards of the pin. I can hit it lower, take a little spin off. Can we see if can we see if Neil could pull the right number Mike? Yeah here you go Neil let's see what you got. The front pin you said no it's I don't know where I think it's about 20 on 28 on okay I got you 20 what do you want for a number? I want to be at the 70 marker I'm just going to make it easy on you 70 marker 286. Move your thumb.

Yeah. See the red? Yeah, for sure. No. So you want... This is the 286 head? Yeah. So you know the red number?

Yes, 204. And then subtract the down. Do you want me to wave the group behind us through? No, I don't. I'm just getting my bearings here, 130. So I'm in gap wedge? Is that right? No, you're off there.

Okay. What's the red number say? The red number says 204. Okay, and then minus 17. Minus 17. And you got 130. Minus. Okay.

No, all right. I was subtracting the 70 off the 204. 180. So 180? So 7 iron? Downhill. So it's 190-ish. 187. So is that, I don't know the numbers in the bag. Is that 8 iron or not?

Seven iron. You don't know the numbers in the book either. I don't, you're right. I'm getting exposed out here, but this is a learning moment for me. It's 187. I want to hit it. So I'm going to hit a punch six so that I don't, the flyer doesn't really, if it flies or spins, it doesn't matter.

And I'm going to try. And that is pretty much at the end of the fairway. Okay. If it were to go in the rough with this pin, it's actually not a bad thing too, but I'll be able to control the distance from fairly better Was a little jumpy So sit should be good. Perfect now Great shot and then good process there, right? Yeah, that's yeah, there are I'll be honest, there's a lot of numbers in this book I think you could get the next one. I got you could absolutely look at

Maybe your comments your thoughts. I got to get I got to get to 278 quicker 250 plus 28. There's a lot going on the red numbers black numbers in the book. Michael's handwriting is kind of chicken scratch. I don't trust that. I'm like, what, that might be something else. Do you think he's trying to throw you off? Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. I think you guys were in his ear on the first tee. Like, hey, make it hard on this guy, you know, make them, make them freeze up. I think a lesson learned here is if you get behind on at any point in caddying, you can't catch up. That's how I throw in the book in your hand, like figure out the numbers like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like, in the walk up,

you need to be thinking about where's the sprinkler head? What's, you know, with the pins 28 on. I'm like, all right, I'm looking for the front number. I'm going to add that. Throwing you in that spot was intentional for the content. Of course, of course. Now, you know, Michael did he kind of put his arm around me walking down the fairway. He's like, hey, man, for me, Jordan's always been really good at math. I've had to up my game.

I mean, he's quick with it. He was a teacher, though. Yeah. So he's like, I got to teach, like geography or something. I can't remember. He said he was like, I wasn't real quick with math, but I've gotten quick at it. That's good. So you can, you can learn.

Yeah, don't stop learning. Start doing some mad minutes before I go out. Caddy for Sali. I said, I want to go analog. I want to play the game the right way. After that display, I feel totally free to use as many devices to measure the distances. We're going four wide.

We're going four wide. Oh, hey, there we go. We're changing plans with the camera, camera angles on this way. A lot of curveball. The pitcher's not throwing us any fastballs this week. A lot of curveball. Weather. Yeah.

Just a lot of change of times. You know, our agenda is getting thrown off. But that's okay. That's what we bob and weave. That's right. I feel like we're very comfortable. Makes you appreciate some of these guys that don't get a pitch to hit. You still got to,

you know, you're still got to get on base. Still got to figure it out. Yeah. I can very deeply empathize with that. That idea of the yardage book, somebody asked you a question and all you're looking at is just like the beautiful mind numbers kind of floating in the ether.

I truly am just going to, I'm going to have to guess here. I was still, I've never seen Spyglass, the front nine. So I was still, when we got to that fair, I was like,

oh, is this a par five? I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm so, I'm, holy shit, we got a first base. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we should go for it, yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's, uh, it's, it's a lot.

Good swing, Jordan. Yeah, good swing. Yeah, good swing. Why? Well, I did do that. I called that out on, he had a really elegant T shot. And I just took everything not to be like, great shot because he didn't, I think he wanted it to turn more.

So I didn't say he ended up in the first cut. So that was, that was, that was, I did not early call him. So I was thrilled about that. We are going to ask for some bit of patience here. We're going to put a hold screen up and we're going to see if we can work out our camera issues here. But we will be back. I promise you that. But give us a second.

We're adjusting here on the fly from some weather complications. And please stick around. We'll be back here shortly. All right. We are working through some issues here. We will be back with the full camera view. Hopefully here shortly. We are going to bring in our first guest of the day before we do that.

You took a little trip out to see. see this guest and what did you guys get up to i did i flew out to las vegas uh and went up in mav's serious aircraft and uh he was it was so impressive to see the whole the full pre-flight routine up in the air him talking to atc uh all the communications with atc or so like it was a really busy day on the ramp and he was just an alpha he was in control it was like greller neal it was just just wildly, wildly impressive to see that he's doing this while also being a PGA tour pack. You know, what, he's the PAC co-chair?

I can't keep track. Coming up and, yeah, we can ask him. Yeah, we can ask him. Mad McNeil, so this is a little preview of our video. I believe it's out on YouTube now as well, but a little preview of our video we shot with Matt McNeillan, he'll be back after this video. He's been looking for a passion, escape from golf. It's my happy place.

Like, I don't think about anything else when I'm up there. Are you nervous at all? Not nervous at all, more just like excited. We're at Henderson Airport here in Nevada, just south of Las Vegas, and I'm going to go up with Matt McNeely in his Cirrus aircraft. There's something romantic and exotic and cool about it. Can I call you Captain now? Today, yeah.

Before flight, it's called an EFB, an electronic flight bag. Pilots in the older days used to have these bags of, you know, materials you know materials and everything. It's all condensed here on your iPad and it's super, super convenient, an incredibly powerful tool. So I'll make a quick flight plan here. Drag one more point over here because we're going to go to the practice area that the flight school uses. It's over Ivan Paw Lake. So we're actually going to fly to California today. I'm going to do my walk around right now because they're going to have to pull the plane out. So I'll just take you through my walk around real quick. Wing tip again still secure attachments. Do the same thing. Check this ailer on. Movement, movement secure. Are you going off a checklist on your phone right now?

Always got to go through the checklist. It's like a routine in golf. Why would you ever deviate from your routine? Just do it. Egress hammer, caps handle. Right, writes note to myself. Establish your routine. Yeah.

Yeah. And go off. Yeah, let's do it. Mixure, full rich. Power lever, full forward. Going to high boost prime. One, two. Three.

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Picture. Flaps. Reserk. All right. Cody's computer might be overloading here from all the cameras. We're running into it. All the content we're trying to pump out this week. But welcoming in our guest and my partner for the week, we can formally announce Mr. Mav McNeely.

Thanks for joining us. Shouldn't she be practicing right now? Yeah. Yeah. I would like to. It's not been the best weather for getting that. Have you been practicing? The sun is out now.

Yeah, you might need to go hit four balls. I need to wait five minutes and see if the changes. Have you been practicing? That's probably a more important thing for our team. I have. I've been playing a lot lately. So I wouldn't say a rain morning is the worst thing ever right now. Playing well lately, too.

Thank you. I mean, it's been like nine excellent rounds out of last 12. And I wish I could, instead of spreading that one bad round around the three tournaments, just put them all in one tournament and have four great ones. But that's what this week's four. What do you credit to, if I go back and say, like, your last three seasons, starting again with 2024, really, you know, 2020 was not your best season. What changed between 2023 and now? And even then, what has changed of the last several years to just get incrementally better after

the big improvement in 24? I think the hardest thing in golf is for me out what to work on. Everyone here will put in the work and I just have a lot of credit to my team for pointing me in the right direction, getting my golf swing organized in a way the club face is just a lot more stable and, you know, hired, made some great hires, physio team, swing coach, short game coach, just, you know, top to bottom. Everyone's been helping me get better. So golf's easier from the fairway, though, I'll say that. I've been a lot more fairways than it in 23. If you geek out for a second, what, from a swing perspective, what were you really working on? So starting out, I was very kind of stuck underneath. I had a, you know, across the line pattern,

dropped underneath, had to kind of stall the body and flip. And so we started out in 24 just, okay, we can't play from underneath, so let's get over the plane, just arms out, a little bit bigger shoulder turn, swing left. And that was Torrey Pines in 24. I just remember being super uncomfortable aiming left to the fairway for the first time in years. But I had, you know, was up in the top 10 for most of the week. I think this is working. And then, you know, fast forwarding now, we're just gradually bringing it back more to neutral.

general theme is bigger shoulder turn, shorter arm swing, and a nice stable club face through the hit. So that's kind of the progression of where we've been going. That checklist, I'm just so I have the checklist right. I got to hire a physio, I got a short game coach, a swing coach, put in a shitload of work is what you're saying here. All that and I'll be right there. I think that's what I'm hearing. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a game left. Yeah, it sounds like a pre-flight checklist. Totally. It's a lot of stuff. I mean, trying to compete against these. guys and the army and the team that they bring to the table every every week is uh it's it's tall

task you need all help like yet but if i remember right i think we did an interview maybe six seven even eight years ago or so when you were coming out of college into professional game you said something there that i remember was just like it was almost like you were apologizing for your college success in terms of like it almost and i'm paraphrasing but almost seemed like your all the wins you stacked up in that two-year period you were kind of say like that kind of came out of nowhere a little it almost seemed like you weren't allowing yourself to convince yourself that you were this talent of player. I feel like you've come a long way

in the way you talk about your own game since. And I'm wondering if I'm on to something with that, in terms of where you stand, what your belief is now versus what you came out on tour. I think so. I think I accidentally backed into a lot of really good golf in college. I think I had some great people helping me, but I don't know if I really understood what I was doing at the time.

And I think you've got the experience curve and then your physical abilities. And I think the reason you see a lot of players play well in the early 30s is it's kind of matched at a point where they know the golf courses, they know the routine, they know how to be a pro, and they understand their golf game a little more. And it's before father time catches up and starts to actually impact your athletic ability that much.

So I think I'm kind of coming into that sweet spot of like owning my game and owning my process and understanding what I need to do, but also, you know, still feel like I get out of the bed in the morning and nothing hurts too bad. That's so interesting to me because I feel like you have, You have a lot of guys that will come out of, you know, the best college players will come out and go on heaters, you know, and you see him, you know, Luke Clanton we saw come out and play really, really great golf for a bunch of weeks in a row. And is it almost like an F1 driver type of mentality, right? Where it's like the courses are so hard, but you don't know, you don't have the scar tissue, you don't have whatever.

Like I can see that kind of valley that you're talking about that you have to work through in probably late 20s, you know, once you get through that. Is that kind of what you're saying, I guess? I'd have so much fun if I could take this golf brain that I have now and put it on my 21-year-old self. Oh my gosh, it would be so much fun. But, you know, that's just looking in the roof of your mirror. I'm really excited about where I am now. And I wouldn't say it's scar tissue.

I mean, this week I'm probably going to play eight holes of practice just because I know these golf courses like the back of my hand. And I'm playing seven out of nine to start the year. So a rainy morning and getting to put my feet up and just get my. golf swing and short game and putting in shape and not have to go, you know, learn the breaks on the 11th green. It's a huge advantage. How is your schedule evolved this year with like basically the PGA tour schedule is just different this year. How have you changed things up? I would say the biggest focus for me is I want to play better in June, July, and August. And I think I play really

well kind of February through April and then really well in the fall. And I think it's because until last year I haven't had that schedule certainty. So I'm playing a heavy January through April, May schedule, and then hopefully lighter June, July, so that I'm fresher in August and don't completely run out of gas. So if I play well early in this schedule at some of these West Coast events that I love, I think it gives me the flexibility to take a lighter summer and be fresher for those big events later in the year. You take me through some examples, both with spyglass and with Pebble Beach of like, you know, experience you have on those golf courses versus like if you were showing up at these courses for the first time, what your preparation

would look like. You know, you can use specific holes to say like, oh, on six, I know if the winds in, I'm hitting, whatever. Like, what are some examples of things you've already got committed to memory and in your notebook that you can bypass that might be different from a first time venue? Totally. I mean, yesterday I played one, two, three, 17, 18 at Pebble. And that was just to hit a few shots on the golf course and see how the golf course is playing. I feel like I could draw every green in the yardish book by memory. 10 changed, I think, didn't it? 10 did change.

I mean, but the theme is, I've seen a bunch of greens change at this golf course. And the theme is they just get a little bit bigger, a little bit flatter, and maybe a new whole location or two shows up. But I would say, like, just in terms of what I know is I know a few of the funky breaks. I feel like every green has its own personality. That's kind of the way I look at them is, you know, the front left section of, say, number seven. Like, I just know that it's crowned in the front there. And so I really have to pay attention to that front flag.

Is it on the left or the right side of the crown? Because when I hit my standard shot to the middle of the green or just past that flag, it's going to break right. If it's closer to the left side of the green, it's going to break left, if it's closer to the right side of the green, things like that, knowing that the back right flag on seven, there's a little fall off, runs towards the ocean, it's just going to be a little quicker putting from the middle of the green over that way. And that's just stuff I've stockpiled over years of running that put by four or five feet and having stress coming back.

How is it having your brother on the bag? It's been really, really fun. Really smart kid. You know, I owe a lot to my old caddy Travis. You know, like I said, as a fresh, you know, first couple of year pro, not knowing where the locker room is, not knowing the routine. And having an experienced guy like that, be able to. to show me the ropes and help me learn how to be a professional, come down that learning curve. But now I feel like I've got that foundation and that I can just kind of bring my brother out,

sorry, have a lot of fun, play a lot of fun golf and just enjoy competing together. And most of the time we don't even talk about golf out there. It's just it's golf for the 20, 30 seconds we're hitting the shot. And then it's who knows what in between. I was thinking just how you being in contention has changed. especially since winning and, you know, again, I think I'm going back to like the experience stuff and how things have changed. But I think there's a brother aspect to that too, right? Like, you guys have to figure out how to do that for the first time. What is, what has that been like?

And how is, I was kind of like going from, I'm trying to establish myself as a pro. I'm trying to do this, that, and the other thing, I'm trying to belong to, you know, we're trying to win every week. What, like, what is that evolution been like? Well, I mean, there's something about when your brother says that you're, you have the ability to be one of the best in the world that you really believe it. And I know he'll knock me. My brother said that I would not believe it. No. That's good that you believe you're. He also knocks me down when I need it. So I get, I get both ends of the spectrum there. I mean, my brothers humble me. And I feel like there's four of us. And we all kind of keep each other in line and keep each other in check. We all shared a room growing up and

extremely close. So I trust those guys, you know, implicitly. It's, it's, it's pretty cool relationship. What's the age gap between the brothers? We're all two years apart. So I'm six years older than scout. But I don't know how many older brothers are asking for this much important life advice from their six-year younger brother. I have a random question. We deal with conditions out here between Spy Glass and Pupp. I always curious how pros would view this. So let's say you get to choose in this scenario.

There's one really windy, tough day and a very calm day. You could pick which day you would have on those two golf courses. I think Spy is a little bit of a harder golf course. Would you rather have the hard conditions on that one or easy on that one? You see what I'm asking? I would 100% want the windy day at Spy. because there's only four or five exposed greens out there. Everything else is in the trees. You know, you'll, when I think of a windy day at Spy, I think putting is going to be way easier than trying to play a foot of wind break on the seventh green at Pebble.

I also think that you've got a lot of tell on where the wind is, even when it's swirling in the trees, just look up at the Spanish moss hanging from the trees and it tells you what the wind's doing kind of at every level that your ball is going to fly through. So 100% want the windy day at Spy. you get 13, 14 holes sheltered in there. And then a calm day at Pevel, you can really get after holes two through seven. With all the success you had last year, at some point, I'm sure the Ryder Cup entered the picture. When did that enter the picture to start the year even before that? And walk me through kind of what your process was, communications with the captains and Kegan and what you thought your likelihood was of being picked.

And kind of did you receive a phone call at the end of that and kind of what that journey was like last? year. Yeah, it wasn't really on my radar other than the fact that everybody was talking about it all year until played really well and almost won Genesis on Sunday and it's paired with Justin Thomas. And I was like, wow, that would actually be a lot of fun to, I think we shot 11 or 12 under best ball at Torrey Pines South with 8 inch rough or whatever it was that day. I was like, that'd be a pretty fun best ball pairing. So it was definitely, sorry, definitely front of mind all year. And, uh, I would say if I were doing anything differently last year, I wouldn't have thought about it as much. I would have just enjoyed, you know, being 10th in the FedEx Cup points list through BMW and, you know, had a lot more fun and maybe played a little bit freer that way.

And whatever. Control wouldn't help you think about it, though. That's amazing. Not really. Yeah, you seem very conscientious. And do you do a lot of work on the mental stuff? And what does that look like for you? Honestly, I think scouts probably my main psychologist out there.

He's like, would you do anything differently? And, you know, with the team was picked today, what would you have done differently back then? It's probably nothing. So why would you worry about it? I was trying to make all the butts. I know. Seriously, I wasn't trying to miss anything.

I wasn't trying to miss anything. So, yeah, I actually thought that finishing third at BMW was, especially on Caves Valley, just a big, beefy golf course that felt like a, you know, major championship type test. I thought that was going to go pretty far for me. obviously with half the team being picks it's kind of a black box you don't really know what goes in there and that's it's kind of unique for our sport i mean i would say between that and sponsors exemptions everything else in our sport is a points list and you know exactly where you stand so it's a little

different to not know where we stood throughout the year and kind of guessing based on stats and what their stats guy might be thinking and pairings and all these all these crazy are hard to measure I know, totally. But I was very, very proud of the body of work I put together. And I thought I had a pretty good chance to make it. That said, nobody wants to win more than, nobody wanted to win more than Keegan Bradley. And he picked a team that he thought was going to give him the best chance. And I was, you know, I was really, really tired. Like I said, end of, you know, August, played a ton of golf, played pretty good golf and leaving East Lake, I was exhausted. flew to Cleveland for a sponsor outing and got to my hotel, literally dropped my bags at like 1145 at night,

sat down on the bed, pulled out my phone. And at that moment, saw Keegan Bradley calling. I go, well, I didn't really have to have much time to. 1145 at night? Yeah, he thought I had flown back to Vegas. Hey, Keegan, what's going on? He goes, hey, you back home yet? And I could know, I'm in Cleveland for a sponsor outing. And I think he went, oh, I'm about to make this kid's night way worse. But he said it was a hard phone call for him. to make but they were going a different direction. It's like, well, that wasn't how I envisioned tonight going, but it's all good. Speaking of a different direction, what do you do on a day like today where? It is started and stopped raining like three times since you've sat down.

So you know you want to get work in. You know you need to be up moving about, working on your game, seeing the golf course and all that. But at the same time, you want to get, you don't want to have a non-representative sample that's going to mess up your swing or get you sick or anything like that. What do you do today? I'm, it's going to rain on Sunday and we're going to get wet on Sunday. So I told scouts, like, maybe we won't go play. We'll see how the forecast looks. He goes, no, if it's raining, we're going to go play because we got to get our rain routine down for Sunday. I was like, okay, that's actually a good point. I mean, is that extended to your amateur partner, you think? You get him out there. Well, he's not playing on Sunday.

So it's okay. You got to picture yourself hoisted that trophy. You're working on podcasting on the rainy Sunday. It's perfect. No, I think it's going to be good. We're going to just go get that routine down. We played with Nick Taylor at Genesis last year. And I remember it was so rain.

It was raining sideways. I think I shot 41 or 40 on the front nine. And Nick was just playing unbelievable. Washington, UW guy. And I was like, I think this guy is the best. best rainy bad weather player I've ever seen. He just was getting around. Yeah, exactly. I mean, so that kind of was inspiration for me to kind of take these days as a learning opportunity to figure out how to play. What's your rain routine? Are you a two gloves guy? You got all the towels up in the

umbrella. What are your big priorities when it's raining? Keep the ball dry. Keep the grips dry. keep the clubs dry and then pretty much caddies like last on the keep dry list so sorry scout to be your brother yeah but if the catty gets too wet then all the other stuff is going to get wet

I think you know we're both fighting tooth and nail to like keep my hands on the grip dry and then keep the ball dry as possible learned some things from some guys I played with Patty Harrington practiced around at the open and he was actually talking about changing your routine make your routine shorter

just to keep that ball as dry as possible especially on the tee he's like you know, in his own way. It doesn't matter how your practice swing feels. Like, hit that ball as soon as you put it on the tea just to keep it dry. And then... It's one of my favorite, but the caddies hold the umbrella over the ball, pulls it away last second. And then watching SEP at this tournament last year, he was playing really well. And I noticed on the front nine, his sweater was just getting wet and wetter and wetter and

sweater and then shows up on the temptee with a completely dry different color sweater. I said, that's genius. I hate playing with rain jackets. So just keep a dry pullover in your bag and, you know, at the turn, swap it out and just get a dry pullover for the back night. You never get that wet. So that's another little tidbit I've picked up for guys who don't like rain gear. I love it. Sunday it's going to rain. You're saying that based on the Tours forecast or your own proprietary models that you use when you're flying. No, I haven't checked. four flat. I probably should do that. But yeah, you look outside and it's going to rain at some point on Sunday for sure. So unique part of this tournament obviously is the amateur format. I'm curious,

who have you played with in the past that you can kind of glean from like, hey, they did something good or they did something bad. That's all he needs to need to know about here. I don't know. You've got a tough list of some really cool people I've played with. I've played with my dad, which is awesome. Dr. Connolly's of Rice, which was awesome. Chuck Robbins, from Cisco, Carl Corandi from KPMG. And I think it's just, it's all. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I love it.

Gives you chills. Yeah, I know. She's one of these hats. But, yeah, it's just, it's a fun format. I mean, it's golf some more social game than pretty much any other professional sport there is. And I think that's what's so cool is that people of all skill levels. I mean, I'm pumped about the handicaps in our group.

That'll make this week fun. But, you know, just. You won't be having some strokes, though. I know. How many are you getting? Zero. Yeah, there's only two strokes within our group. I'll take as many as you'll give me.

But I think it's fun that people of all skill levels can play and compete on the same golf course, same competition. It's a lot of fun. I was thinking it's going to be pretty hard for us to compete with me getting zero shots. I'm probably just going to play the back tease with you guys. If that's cool. Whatever you want. What is the worst thing a playing partner could do, you know, in a pro.

I'm like, honestly, not pick up. right? I think I think just missing the ethos of what this is all about, which really, like, just have a great time. Have fun. Have fun, be a fun guy to hang out with. People apologize all the time for playing bad golf at proams. And I really don't care. If you play reasonably quickly and you're a fun person to hang out with for five and a half hours, we're going to have a great day. It's that simple. Like, don't apologize for hitting bad shots. Playing bad golf, it doesn't matter. I want you to play well, but bad golf doesn't bother me. Do you have any more flying questions?

I know you got a lot of those out, but for people that haven't seen the video just yet, I think immediately it hits you over the head of like how obviously how serious this hobby, passion is for you, I guess you could say. Have you flown it all since we went up? I have actually that jet that we got to sit in. Scott Stone from Sirius, he's the Western Regional Sales Director based out of Scottsdale, picked us up in Carlsbad, and we flew from San Diego to Scottsdale, kind of flew right over the TPC Scottsdale golf course and I got to fly the jet with a little bit

of oversight. So that kind of scratched my edge here on the West Coast swing. But yeah, it's really that it looked like the coolest plane I've ever seen. Yeah, it's green. I told Maya that if I win the Masters or TBC Scottsdale, I'm like, for sure, he's saying the green one. Well, the great plane both of them. They have kind of similar. But the one that I remember you said in the video like that's yeah, that's the one. That's the one. That is the one. But I win the master's. I'm getting a green one. It's just happening. So, like, what would happen on the day like today? Would you just be like, I'm not flying at all on something like this if you were scheduled to go or you could fly in this?

I can totally fly in this. You know, I would, I would watch the weather. Make sure there's no icing. That would be number one concern. Two, is visibility at whatever airport I'm going to. And three, make sure I've got plenty of fuel to get to an alternate airport if the weather's that bad at the airport, but totally ready to go fly in this today. Have you landed at Monterey? I have. How's that? It was cool.

I followed a little Alaska air plane in there. It was a little slower than them, but it was great. It's awesome. I took off out of it. You kind of make a left turn and you get to see all the golf courses on the peninsula. It's really cool. All right. Final, before we let you go, final piece of advice for me to start the week.

What have you got for me? I would say T-shots at Pebble. There's one side you can't miss, one side you can play from. So figure out what side that is and play from that side. I would say read puts from the low side, but also use, like I always say, the best green reading advice I can give on a coastal course is looking at the horizon of the water line and use that to level your eyes because that will always be dead flat and use that. that to kind of read your puts and read the greens, especially because all these courses, there's some slight grade down towards the water so it can throw your eyes off. Everything breaks to the ocean?

Maybe. Sometimes it looks like it breaks away, but if you use the ocean line to kind of level your eyes, you'll be able to tell how that slope is relative. So, yeah, two main things. That's good stuff. You have to remind me of that. If you can use that tip also, it means you're playing like good golf. Totally.

Like if you're able to employ that, I'll just use the ocean. you're playing some good golf courses. You'll see me reading a put, and then I kind of look over to the right, look at the water. That's what I'm doing is I'm like leveling my eyes and telling myself what dead flat is and then looking back at the putt I'm reading. I'm going to officially give Scout 18 overrides of Neil. If he hears bad advice from Neil or TC on Friday, only 18 holes is he allowed to override.

Love it. I want Neil to tell me that I can be the best in the world. Yeah, it's true. It's your younger brother. I'm going to be thinking about that one too. I got to call my brother after this. Where are you on that one, man? Yeah, exactly.

All right. Well, best of luck this week. Look forward to playing with you. It's going to be a lot of fun. Thanks for coming by here. For those watching at home, we are going to put up, we're going to have to close this link to the live show. We're going to give a Cody's computer a reboot.

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Thanks again to Matt for coming by and we'll be back here shortly with more guests here from the 18th, Peel Beach, Pro. Next up, here we come in with our conversation with Ball Knower Andrew Novak. Hold that mic up to your mouth. Sorry. People want to hear you. Was the competition just betting spreads? No, we were doing, so we do a draft at the end of the year,

four of us and basically you pick, like you get a point per win. if you win your like if you if you make the playoffs you get a couple of points you get a couple points per per playoff victory okay so uh vanilla vic Daniel jones got you went down I had the Colts at the Jags a few others that just didn't didn't fall my way and I I kind of got all over Neil for being really really high on the Patriots preseason I thought they were still a year away and he you know way too much exposure to it to the AFC South right there.

And I had way too much exposure to the AFC North too. That's not good. I had Cincinnati and Baltimore. Yeah, Baltimore's unlucky. They should have been better this year. Who's your team? I'm a Panthers fan. So we went well over expectations.

Not a good football team by any stretch. But, I mean, we made the playoffs. So at least we can, you know, say, hey, it's not, you know, 2019 since we were last in the playoffs or whatever it was. So I think we're going the right way. We're still probably a couple years away. And you do podcasting. Like while you're on the road,

you're broadcast and out to the world. We just did our last episode of the season. The screenplay podcast. It's just a Super Bowl recap, kind of a little bit of a full season recap. And then we'll be off a bit here until we'll do a three-part draft series coming in April. And those are usually, those episodes do pretty well usually.

So are you grinding tape? I was going to say, I watch. So all 22. Yeah. I watch a lot more college football than my co-host. He's a Boston guy. Like, college football is not big up there. It's just not.

They don't really, they don't watch it like that. But me being from the South, like, yeah, I'm watching college football. I know all the players. I could probably sit here and run you through some draft prospects if you want. But yeah, who are you super high on? Like, who are you? You know, everybody's documented in history forever. So, and everybody's using Will Campbell to talk about short arms right now.

But I don't want to hear anything about Rubin Bain being a bus because he's got short arms put the film on you can't block the guy run game past game so anybody talking about him fall into like mid first you're out of your mind where do you fall out on uh on the quarterbacks this year so mindose is going to go one uh i'm a little concerned how he's going to be early on like i think the raiders would it'd be maybe in their best interest to sign a veteran or something uh all i saw him throw were r pos and back shoulders for the most part uh it's kind of like when you have a wide receiver come in that runs a little bit of a limited route tree. I'm a little bit concerned how he's just going to straight up be thrown out there,

especially with an offensive line that may get him killed. He had a pretty good offensive line at Indiana. So I'm a little bit concerned about him early on. I think he's a smart guy. I think he can pick some stuff up, but it's definitely going to be a bit of a change because he's going to be throwing some different passes. That's good intel.

That's really good intel. This almost feels like something while you're on the road playing golf. Is it something to take your mind off of golf? I've always just watched football. I mean, I actually had a proper offseason this year. So in the fall, I wasn't really playing tournaments as much this year. We had a baby. So I'm keeping odd hours.

I'm watching a lot of football. Yeah. It's how it goes. Who are the other ball-knowers on tour? Yeah. I mean, I think Jordan knows his stuff. I think Jordan's pretty respectable. Nick Hardy knows ball.

I don't know. He's been dinged up. I'm not sure where he falls. But he's a Chicago guy. always be talking ball with him. There, I mean, there's a few, you know, there's, there's a few that definitely know what they're talking about. What about Billy? You know, big SEC guy. Horshaw? Yeah, Horshiel. Yeah, he knows Florida. He knows Florida Gators football. I mean, I played with Billy yesterday. But he's, you know, he's talking soccer. He's talking West Ham. He's not, you know,

he knows Florida Gators football and he can probably talk Jags. I think he's actually a Falcons fan, which gross. But yeah, because they're a couple of Atlanta guys. Yeah, yeah, gross. Atlanta Drive. You know just send your Isis back in the building. Yeah, you just traded two first rounders for a foul in. Nice. Not that was not great. That was unfortunate.

That was the old regime. We don't work on things over with Maddie. So when's your first rounder this year? Good. Listen, we got to dig ourselves out of that hole. What, I guess, yeah, you have a fall a lot more open now. You mentioned, like, you were playing a lot this fall. I mean, how is, how does your life change?

Like, with the success you've had out on tour, like being able to predict a schedule, I'm sure for 2026 is got to be a luxury. or you haven't enjoyed prior. We also had our first child in November as well. So that has changed some things up as well. And so that kind of led to me being at home a little bit more, which was great. But yeah, now, I mean, this is the first year. Last year, I was in some signature or most of the signature events, but I wasn't, like, guaranteed that going into the season.

A lot of that came from how I played at farmers early in the year and some of my early success. So this year, I truly, like, I'm in the Masters for the first time. So I truly can go through the season and be like, hey, I'm playing this week. this week this week, this week, skipping this, and that's, that's been very nice to kind of set that up and just kind of have something in my mind knowing what I'm preparing for going into. Solly was trying to open up your fall a little bit more than anticipated last year with this. So this is what these guys do. So if you have like a good week and you're like an American, these guys are like, oh,

you're going to put them on the Ryder Cup team, Sally? I get it. Look, and we are here with probably the biggest Novak hater on the internet. So, you know, I'm not, he knows. He knows. Well, it is what it is. Like, I get it. And frankly, I, I kind of agree with not getting chosen.

Like, look, I had a chance. After the way I played at Memphis, I think I was probably within the realm of bubble possibilities. But it was going to come down to how I played at BMW and the tour championship. And Sam played great. And, I mean, Chris had been playing great up until then. So there were other guys that were like had some momentum going in. And I flat out played horrible at BMW and I didn't play well at Eastlake.

And that kind of sealed it. I mean, Kegan was very, very open about like if you're, if you're a rookie, like, if I'm going to take you as like a first timer, like you got to make it pretty clear. Yeah. Like Ben, Ben went out and made it pretty clear. Like I got to be on this team. I don't, I don't just be thrown RPO's and back shoulders. Exactly.

Look, you know, it's if, if I'm going to go play Beth page, I can't lay eggs at, at, what, Caves Valley. And so I can't just, I can't do it all at Colonial and in Harbor Town. That's not really like, I mean, I guess Tori's a bit of like kind of a close comp. And I've played well at Tori, but some of the other bigger ballparks like quail, like I played horrible there. Um, so I kind of get it. Like I, I wasn't like, I knew I wasn't necessarily a great course fit for Bethpage. So I was going to have to do something special to like really cement myself on it. And at the end of the season, I just didn't really do that. I didn't play very well. And I, when I got the call, I kind of knew where it was going. So I was not surprised at all. I thought I feel like I had an opportunity and just didn't really play well down the stretch when I could have maybe put my name in that. It's whack-a-mole with these guys, though. Like you know, you win Zurich. So it's Newark time. Now Goddrup gets hot.

I just got to keep whack-a-mulling with these guys. Yeah. I mean, guys are team events. It is that possibly. See what I'm dealing with you. No, it's definitely that. And like, you know, guys know, too. Like, as an American being close to that bubble, like, you know.

like who you're kind of competing against for those last spots. And you know what you have tighter in that part of it? Like once it became like a possibility. No. No. No, because I was still playing for something within my season. I mean, I'd never been to East Lake before.

So I'm still playing for spots there. I'm still, you know, trying to finish as high up on FedEx Cup as I can. I hadn't done any of that stuff before. You know, I, um,

my win, uh, my win at Zurich didn't get me in the Masters. So towards the end of the season, I'm playing to make sure I get to East Lake. So, uh, you know,

that I can get a master's invite. for that because for me that's the pinnacle. I grew up in the southeast. Like the Masters has always been the top for me. So that's the one I really wanted to get. So that was, I mean, obviously making the Ryder Cup team would have been huge. But for me, like for a lot of back part of the season, I was also kind of thinking about the Masters.

What are your goals for this year now that, all right, you're in the Masters this year. You can pick your schedule. Is it East Lake President's Cup team and win? Yeah, definitely. not necessarily as far forward as that. Right now, I want a solo win at some point in time this year. And then I have four goes at a major. I have not played particularly well in majors yet. I really haven't had like a major where I felt like I played well. Like I really haven't had any good finishes. So I would like to compete in at least one of the majors.

Ideally, if I can get my name up there and two of them, I'd feel pretty good about that. I've never really been one to like like going back through college golf, junior golf, like when I first got in pro, I've never really been like quick to like explode onto the scene. I've always, I've been like kind of a slow burn. Like I was on cornfrey tour for four years. I got better each year.

But like it's always taking me a little bit at each level to kind of get comfortable. And I feel like I feel like that's how it's been for me on the PJ tour a little bit. I, you know, I wasn't, didn't really have any impressive results at all in my first couple of years. but I did get a little bit better, got a little bit better. And finally, as I started kind of breaking through in some of those events, I got more comfortable with it. And I don't know if maybe this, if majors, I'm a little slow getting into them

because it's just getting used to the added pressure, the courses being maybe in a little bit different shape. So I'm hoping, you know, with this being another year on tour, a little bit more experience, that I'll be a little bit more comfortable in the majors and can put my name up there and see what competing for a major. what, what, uh, what's comfortable for you about the team competition? Because you won. Yeah.

I, I'm a, I'm a good team event guy. It's, it's undeniable at this point. A locker room guy. There's an amateur. You know, I won this last year, right? Oh, you did win the inside?

Yes. Yes. I play with Philippe Lafong. We got our name down on the first team. That's what I'm saying. I everybody's like, oh, he won Zurich and Grant Thornton. I also won here, too. I won three of them.

But yeah, we, no, I'm, I'm, That's the triple. That's it. That's what I'm saying. It's the Novak slam. You can't beat that. Got to get you out of the tunnel. That's the last one. I would have loved to have done that.

I had, you know, with the baby on the way, I wasn't really traveling across. But it's definitely on the list. I'd love to play at Dunhill someday. I don't know why I'm good in team events. They're definitely fun. And I've thought about maybe I need to be having more fun in like solo tournaments. I don't know.

So, Philippe was playing off of what last year? I think an eight. He's a legit eight. Okay. So he's a seven this year. So he didn't get cut like crazy after. No. No. He, uh, but I'm telling he, we just made it like we ham and egged it perfect. And he said in his life, he's a legit eight. He'd never made three birdies in a row. He made three gross buries in a row on the back nine of spy glass. We played the spy glass. We played the spy glass. It was our, it was our, it was our back nine of our second round. I think we played it 10 under net. Back night of spy glass to win by one. Like, we just got dumb hot. for about two hours.

Are you guys back this year? That's, yeah. Yep, he's playing and yeah. You guys are paired up with Cantlay and the American oligarch, Egon Durbin. Yeah. Are you and Ben going to run it back at Zurich as well? Oh yeah. Yeah, we're defending.

You mentioned kind of the learning phase you've had at each level. Like what's something you would say now with your experience on the PGA tour is like, all right, I know I've improved this, this, this and this thing. Like, well, what led to you like learning something and advancing your skills? your skills. What do you credit to your rise and success? Yeah, I think I've done a good job self-scouting. I think I've done a good job of like being honest with myself, like my first year. Like, what did I do wrong? Okay. The great thing about the PJ tour is how much you have access to stats-wise. On the corned ferry tour, you might have like your fairways and greens and reg and that's

I'll tell you. On the PJ tour, you actually have like pretty good access to your stats. Like, I can tell you I've been pretty bad at putting from 10 to 20 feet. I'm pretty good putter inside it 10 feet and I'm a good lag putter, but some of that stuff has has been troubling so I can make sure to go work on that. My driving actually hadn't been fantastic ever, but I've tried to work on it. Look, I hit it short and crooked. That's not good. So I try, I've tried to hit it farther. I didn't really hit it farther. So, you know, now I'm maybe going to try and hit it straight. We can't get too far. Maybe we can do straight. How do you feel about like trying to gain some speed or some distance? Do you worry about that messing up your, you know, the way you play golf? Or would

you like to get a couple extra in the tank? No, I would love to get a couple extra in the tank, and I've tried it, and I just, for whatever reason, I haven't been able to get it to work. I, I don't. Or you haven't been able to do it and hit it straight? No, I just like, I, this off season, I got in the gym. I was doing a lot more than what I've usually done. And I felt like I was in better shape than usual, and I'm somehow hitting it shorter and slower.

I don't know. I don't know why. I've done many different things. I mean, I've met with some people and looked into it. I don't know. I'm 30. Maybe I'm washed now. I don't know.

Do you feel like it's a bit of an arms race out here of like, you know, even if you're maintaining your current speed, got everyone else around you might be improving. Look, I can absolutely compete on multiple locations on tour. But like I said, I want, I would love like for me, if I could win one tournament in my life, it'd be the Masters.

And winning the Masters with 169 or 170 ball speed, isn't really a thing that happens anymore. It just doesn't. And if they're MPA-A championships or signature events at Quail Hollow, like, my ceiling at quail is maybe 15th. Like, that's just kind of about, like, last year with it being soaking wet,

like, I didn't play well, but like even if I played well, there was half the field, I probably couldn't beat there. Like, even unless I'm looking at a week where I go plus 10 on the greens or something, like it's probably not happening. So I was, some of these signature events like Memorial and some of these courses,

I felt like having a little bit more distance would help for these just to give me a chance to try and win them. And so, yeah, I felt it was worth it, you know, kind of going after it and seeing what I could do. And it didn't really work out. What is it about Tori that suits your game? Yeah, Tori's another one that you'd think hitting it far is good. I have always played pretty well at Tori. I feel like I had some years where maybe I missed the cut or didn't play well. but a lot of the time I felt like it was because I wasn't taking advantage of the North course.

Tori South, like, I don't know what my stroke average is there, but it's like until this year, like I guarantee you it was better than Lakeitha Country Club. Like at Torres, I'm not kidding. Like I don't know why. I think some of it is the distance I hit it always puts me about where the bunkers are. So I'm not dealing with the rough maybe as much as some people. You'd rather be in the, oh, absolutely, absolutely. You can hit it.

You can hit it because you can hit it on the green from the, the bunker. If you're in the rough, you're just chopping. Like, it's completely low-based. Any surprises, like being able to set your own schedule ahead of time this year? Anything that surprised you? Like, oh, man, like, I don't get to play there. Or I have to make sure. The only, no, I'm playing.

I just, one of my favorite tournaments from when I first got on tour was the Canadian Open. And it just falls in such a bad spot now. So I would love to be able to play that one. But I haven't been able to the last couple years just because, like, the way my schedule is. I'm already playing, like, so many. tournaments. What you love about the Canadian open? The fans.

Yeah. They're awesome. Yeah. They're so good. They show up. I mean, that tournament's on rotation. It doesn't matter. They show up.

They bring energy. It doesn't matter if you're putting, tapping in for double. They're letting you hear it. Like, it's great. I love the Canadians. I love their fans and the courses we played like St. George, where we played two or three years ago was probably one of the better courses. Hamilton's sweet.

Yeah, Hamilton was great. Hamilton was awesome. The fans were unbelievable in Hamilton. We caught some kind of crap weather that week. It didn't matter. They still showed up. So, yeah, the Canadian Open was always the one that I really enjoyed playing. Non-major division, like non-agustia division.

What's the tournament you most want to win? Harbor Town, because you're South Carolina guy? Yeah, probably Harbor Town. I mean, obviously it helps that it's a signature event now too. But, yeah, the fact that it's South Carolina, I would say Harbor Town or maybe RSM as well, just like being a St. Simon's guy now, there is kind of a thing where no Seattle,

Island guy has ever won RSM. So I think if I was the first one to do that, I think that would be pretty cool. It's the course plays so different in the tournament. It's almost like a negative that you play there because it's like having these preconceived notions about the course is almost like worse during the tournament. This year actually the first couple days was the best weather we ever had. And I was like up near the top of later. We had some like some some some local guys up there because it was finally like, oh yeah, this is kind of closer to what I'm used to playing. What about out here? So Pebble, don't feel like driving distances, you know, as heavily favored as other courses.

Got to drive it with different clubs and driver off the key. How does this course fit your game? Yeah, I think I've always played pretty solid at Pebble. T-13 last year. Yeah, I struggled in the weather on Saturday last year. I just didn't play very well with the other rounds. I mean, I finally played a really good round at Spyglass last year, which I'd had some issues at Spyglass in previous years. so that was nice to see.

I think I love Monterey Peninsula, but I don't think I played that course great. Either that was a little bit more of a bomber's course, I felt, when that was in the rotation. But yeah, I've had some success here, and I feel like Pebble does somewhat fit my game because it does kind of maybe devalue some of the driving of the ball and puts it more on the approach game, the irons, the wedges.

I feel comfortable chipping around these greens and Poena. I just, I'm from southeast, but I put in a well. I don't know why. I'm comfortable. I've got a theory and kind of like last year when they switched over

from dormer Bermuda that overseeded Rye down at like the Honda or the cognizant of the call in it. Now, do you feel like the southeastern guys on tour that grew up playing Bermuda? Like, you guys have an advantage and you don't get to play on that type of grass.

Yeah, absolutely. I love Colonial. Colonial is so fun. I've done very well at Colonial. too. We don't get that much anymore, man. I guess Memphis, love Memphis. Done that, yeah, that's Zoya Fairways, but still the rough is proper Benuda. Like half the fields already eliminated before they even teased.

Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, guys, I think it's not that extreme. I think guys are a little bit more used to playing Bermuda now, but it's still definitely an advantage. Look, my first year, I Mondayed into, it was a Honda Classic at the time, I Mondayed into that in 2018. I made the cut on the number at five over. JT and Luke List, I believe we're in a playoff at six under.

I teed off at 1215 on Thursday last year at Cognizant. I was 12 back of the league. I teed off I was 12 back. I don't want to do that. Look, PJ National is supposed to be tough. I don't care. It's Florida golf. I get we play Bay Hill and Bay Hill's brutal, but like, don't oversee the whole thing.

Don't do that. It takes away from the identity of the tournament. So, yeah. My guy. What's your prep for this week with some kind of weather rolling in yesterday afternoon, uncertain weather today? Like how does that affect your preparation? Did it affect your early week?

A little bit. A little bit. You spent a time with us. You must be pretty relaxed about your. Yeah. Well, I thought it was going to be pouring right now, but now actually looks like a good time. Get me out of it.

No, I'm going to practice a bit this morning. And then I think this afternoon looks pretty rough. So definitely want to get some putting work in, see what that rain did to the green speeds. So I'll be, I'll be doing. some putting work, some chipping, some chipping work, seeing how the ball's reacting. Do you consider yourself a mutter? I'd have to look at the stats. I hate playing in bad weather, but I don't think I've necessarily played poorly in bad weather.

So I don't enjoy it, but like nobody. Neil famously ranks every player in the field. This one to 80. Do you want to at least reveal where Andrew is? I want to be very clear. It's not a ranking. It's not like a power ranking. It's, I'm trying to predict the finish from one to 80.

as exactly as possible. For specifically this event. This event. Okay. Where do you? Because that is a little bit different. I don't have it in front of me right now, but I believe you are in the 25 to 30. I'm okay. I was going to say, as long as I'm top 40. I feel good here. I got, yeah, I got two questions for you. Then we'll let you go. One, you made, I believe, $7.7 million on the last year. You had to have bought something. You had to, that had to change something. What's the biggest expense you incurred or something, something you did with a newfound, newfound, money in the in the bag I did buy a car early season but really I mean we had a baby in November so I've been kind of stocking up for that a lot of diapers yeah yeah we got the

we got the was it the nuna oh yeah and we got all kinds of yeah we got dabbing going on the background here we have just so many baby clothes and yes you travel with a podcast setup like no and that's the one thing we've struggled with you know I got a proper mic at home and stuff but I can't really travel with the mic and all that stuff. And we do the best I can. Evan's got a good setup at his house, but that is kind of the one thing that we've struggled with, with me being on the road so much.

It is really hard to get, you know, a proper setup. And the quality is maybe not what it could be. I was at home every week. Fellow content creator. We need to get him on the creator council. Last question. So you mentioned the Masters and that upcoming. What's the preparation like for that?

What are you anticipating feeling when you, you tee it up at the Masters competition-wise for the first time. Yeah, I'm expecting to not be able to feel my hands on the first tee. Hopefully, I had a good one off of one. And by the time I get to the fairway, I'm kind of like back in my body. But yeah, I'm expecting to feel way different on that first tee than kind of anywhere else. It's always tough when like, you know one means a little bit more to you because, I mean, like Rory got it last year

so I feel like I can talk about it but like it's definitely different like you could see it was different for him at the Masters versus other tournaments because of how badly he wanted it. So I know I'm going to have to kind of temper that a little bit so I can stay locked down on what I want to do but I'm very excited.

I mean it's it's a tournament I've watched since I was a kid I've probably logged as many hours as anybody watching Masters tape, film highlights, all kinds of shots. So I feel pretty comfortable about knowing the course well it's just going to be, you know, how's it playing when I get there? How is the ball? How are the balls releasing out? How far from the greens?

How fast are that? Well, I will, as the biggest Novak hater on the internet, I got to say, I've completely flipped. I'm a huge fan of yours and I'm Rudy. Get them on the team. Good luck. I always defend your title. Yeah. Appreciate that.

Thank you. Thank you. Congrats on the Keeckley whole thing. Yeah, how about that? Yeah, that was well deserved. Peps, you're still big, man. Yeah. Well, really appreciate your time.

best of luck this week and let's do it again. Yeah, really fun. Appreciate it. Thanks. Thanks for having me all. You bet. Yeah, we're going to bring DJ back in here as well. Thank you to Andrew Novak for coming by. Are we guys, a lot of people are itching.

I'm itching for it at least a little bit. Is it big board time? Oh, you want? You want, are we ready? I can get you started. Do we want to start getting down the leaderboard in the first? Can I just say, well, this is not a power ranking? You just said this is not a power ranking.

Can I just say that as one of the foremost Novak builders on the internet, I wasn't expecting to have my whole platform repudiated by Novak on the podcast. He set us back. He set us back years on that one. You know, we've been building up this case and you're talking about hitting it short and crooked. I'm like, no, don't say that stuff. That's what he's been saying. I know.

Well, that's true. That's true. It gets a lot out of it. We got to be selective with the. stats. No, we got to be selective with the stats. Yeah. That's right. Team winner. We got that. That's the most important stat. Heart. Vives. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. See ya. Are you ready? I'm ready. If you want to go down Bigboard time? I think so. All right. So, Blue is Bigboard. Just to, this is year three, right? This is a proprietary model. Okay. The goal is not a power ranking, TC. It is to

predict, because if it's a power ranking, we, you know, we have data. Yeah. Yeah. data golf in there. We're taking other things into account. Body language. Time on the range. Who's grinding in the rain? Things like that. I mean, Claude's not out there watching by guys hit balls, you know? We can, yeah, you can get that else. I think it's still a power ranking. You're just using different. We might be saying the same thing. Yeah. Well, the power ranking would be, it's not a statistical index. Yeah. Yeah. So what I'm looking for on the stats side, I am looking for guys that hit a lot of fareways.

you know, less than driver off the T, are they comfortable doing stuff like that? That's all going to play. And you guys want to play in the mud. You know, that's why I'm asking Novak, is he a mudder? In years past, I was going to be nice tomorrow. It's going to be nice first. But you just got to be, you know, weather can roll in quickly. Who knows?

Right. So we'll start, as always, we'll start at 80 and we'll go down. Are you confident you have the right number of players this year? Because last year we notoriously missed somebody. Well, we had 79 yesterday. If you see something, say something else. I was able to find player number 80. It was Alex Smalley.

Oh, okay. missing off my list. Gotcha. He was, I believe. And he didn't, he didn't, he didn't. Crisis averted.

All right, at 80, coming in at 80, and this is no offense to anyone on the big board, right? You know, somebody has to be Mr.

80. It's Brian Campbell. Wow. Short hitter. I know, but just not a lot of form. Sure. Not feeling much since the Mexico.

One twice last year. I know. I just don't, it's not, not for me. Sure. He'll got, just his notes.

No thanks. No, thanks. That's just personal. that's that's from the bulugas twisted mind there uh chris kirk uh he's missed three straight cuts don't feel like it's a good fit here uh stephen fiske um not super familiar with his game but winter last year in the fall uh sanderson farms yeah i believe but still i don't i don't yeah played we here played well here last year but i've got billy horshel at 77 um dusting off

some uh some injury stuff you have surgery yeah just don't you know just don't you know just don't with Daddy D. Yeah. We've got Adam Shank, Aldrich Potkeeter, zero course history. We don't need the distance, the,

you know, the shot. That could be the, water doesn't look good for this course. Could be the Lamborghini in a school zone. That's right.

Yeah, don't need it. I don't lose me with this next one. Next one is Denny McCarthy. Yeah, I feel like a lot of course fit is gravitating towards the bottom here.

I just didn't like the way the results looked recently. I mean, that's a gut feel. That's a belarus. You got to respect that, TC. You got to respect. Are you worried, sorry to pause you super quick, but the

notoriously in the past, I think we've maybe given out the Doug Gim. The Doug Gim Award for the most respect translated to worst position. I had Doug Gim like top five, I think. I think he came in second to last year one. So the Doug Gim award, I do have a couple nominees.

This could be a reverse Doug Gim is what I'm worried about. Yeah, the opposite of the Doug Gim, which I would say is the Shane Lowry. Is that what happened? Last year that he wasn't a mutter and it came at second. Notariously won a major in the range, but very much of water. So look out for those as we go down the list. Harry Hall is 73.

Oh, that feels personal. I don't understand that either. I saw him hitting balls on the range. So I'm watching him hit two balls. I didn't like the way it looked. It didn't feel right. I had to put it into the monitor. I hate that.

I think he's going to play really well. Fair enough. We'll monitor that. Side bet, maybe. Potential Shane Lowry situation. 72. We've got Minwood Lee, the unstable compound.

That I can get that way. I just don't feel like I'm not buying his stock right now. 71 Max McGreevy Walk by him over by the putting green Not great eye contact He didn't like the vibe Don't have much more there Tell me something about Max McGreevy

Any No, he just did I just did I just did You know my first impression You know I'm sure he's a great guy But I didn't like the energy that we had Packing each other on the putting green

incompatible Yeah Brian Harmon Is 70 Not a place where he seems to do stuff That's surprising T53 T54 the last two years Pebble You would think so

playing here for 25 years. Yeah, you think he would have a, you would run into some good form. Recently hasn't gone well out here. Even though, as I said last year, this place does favor lefties. There was no staff behind that other than Phil's one here, a bunch. Lefties have won here a bunch. I think Randy called me out of that. Ted Potter. Ted Potter won here. Fair enough.

Okay. 69. Colin Morcawa. Now, form last year, T-17, T-14, the last two years. On paper, good fit. I just don't feel good about where he's. out with his game. It doesn't seem like we're jive in there. Could be a Shane Lowry if he finds it with the irons. I know. That's a lot of risk on that one for me. That could blow up my face. But I appreciate you sticking your neck out on that one. That's saying something.

You know, because we don't want, just want to go down the day of golf rankings. That's not good content. You're right on Harmon. It's never gone well here, right? Which is all, this is kind of interesting. I like to maybe double click on that at some point. 68. Maddie Schmidt. Don't have a note there. Just had, you know, found a spot for him. 67. Sahith, the gala. Don't like this. T8, T7, T18, the last three weeks. Feels like good momentum.

Sali, I just can't trust it. Oh, you guys are, remember that handshake. I'm sorry. I can't. I love Scyth, but I just don't trust it yet. Can't trust it. I think he did not give enough credence to that he was hurt last year. And when he's healthy, he's been one of the best players in the world. I can just picture him getting loose over at Spyglass. It's some weird weather, bad wind.

He could hit some balls in the ocean. Thursday Friday. He's paired with Hogi this week. Well, I just saw Hogi in the hallway. Hogi, I couldn't factor it into the big board, but he's like, I'm not hitting my iron as well. He's like, you're a thoroughbred out here for me. What are you talking about? This should be a happy place. He's got to text me that. He's like, you're telling me, man. It's pouring rain out there. I can't work on my game. 66, McKenzie Hughes. Don't have a note. 66 for McKinney. Wow. That's interesting. Is that an homage? It was a bit of an homage.

He hasn't played great recently. He made some cuts, but it's not like, it's kind of in this. Kenzie Hughes playing with Alex Smith, quarterback. There he go. He needs an offense alignment out there after the answer. And I like McKenzie Hughes. I just don't, you know, I don't predict a good week. 65 Bud Collie.

Don't have a note here. Don't have a ton of course history. Count him out. 64, Nico Etchavaria. Friend of the program, I saw him grinding on short putts out there at Spyglass yesterday. They didn't seem to be going in. So we factored that into the models. 63.

Nigo's playing with Paugasol. Really? Oh, that's fun. 63. Aaron Rye. Last guy on the range last night on Tuesday in the dark. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think that's a good thing. Isn't that part for the course? That's his MO.

You know, but it was raining. He had the double gloves. Obviously, he's ready with the double gloves. I just, you know, something's telling me. Normally, you'll see later on guys grinding the rain is a good thing. But for here, I didn't like to buy. The rhinosance is kind of maybe. pulled on a little bit.

62, Kurt Kittiyama. 61, Sam, Sam Balamaki. Sammy. Sammy. That is. We are getting word that we are going to take a quick break here after this one. We are going to be back with more Balugas Big Board, but we appreciate

you running through our first 20. There we go. We'll be back shortly after this. Thank you, everyone, for listening to the No Langa Podcast here at the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Am. Thank you, everyone. We are back, of course, with the Balugas big board. We have done 83 through 60. We wait with bated breath as Neil takes us.

61. We're on 60. Okay. My favorite part of the show. Where are we going next to number 60? We're going to keep 20 in the tank. We're going to Mr. Bigtone himself. Tony Fee now is coming in at 60. Pudding continues to stink. He's been slightly below average off the T. I need proof of life. Sully, how do you feel about that? It's not been great for Big Tone. A lot of my... Your boy. A lot of my writing for him was when he was playing great and you guys were not giving him the proper credit for it. He has not been playing great. I'm not going to ride for the current results here. I'm going to stay consistent. I think if we like it.

You like him at 60? I like in there. That's great. I think we just saw with Novak. We can bring no fun. We could bring big tone in right here and he would validate everything I've ever said. I think so. Thank you.

Did you put him at 60? He's got 20 guys behind him at 60. 20's in the tank. Now you're seeing how the proprietary model works. 66 for McKenzie Hughes. Both of those were coincidences, but I like where your head is at. I don't know if any comment. incidences.

Yeah. I don't know if any comment. Well, McKenzie Hughes wasn't, but that is. Has ever gotten more run at no leg up than Randy. I don't even know if Tony said it or if it was just everybody else saying it about Tony. There was the thing four or five, six years ago when he's playing really good golf. It was like, oh, the thing is he's got 20 more in the tank. No, specifically a screenshot of his ball speed.

Yeah. And it was like two, like two 14 or something. Yeah. It was something crazy. He was like, yeah, Tony's got 20 extra in the tank anytime he wants it. And Randy famously, as he's as he's wanted to do, just kind of, uh, rolling that grenade like four weeks later, six weeks later, just like, you know, Kampalua seems like a good time to use that extra 20. Do we have that?

I will butt in here. So I played with him in the pro M. You guys tasked me with asking him this question. And I got you the answer and you still don't acknowledge it. He says, I like my game is best when I live at this speed as it coordinates to the rest of my swing. Like I don't need at 200 miles an hour on the PJ tour. I don't have the control over it. I don't know exactly where it's going. And the downstream effect on that on the rest of my game doesn't work. This is the speed I live at at best for success on the PJs. It's an entertainment product. Let's see the big smash.

Come on. What did he do at TGL? Did he bring out the extra 20? He did a doggy on you. He absolutely stunted on everybody. He's an entertainer. That answers the question. Thank you.

I thought I was really interesting hearing Novak saying, hey, I'm trying to build a bigger tank here. I just can't find it anymore. I know. I know. I was trying to, I don't want to go too deep on that. But I was like, maybe we could talk in the hall about that.

That's really interesting. All right, 59. Sally, what's your Norn take? I've got Alex Noren. Wow. You know, I love Noren, but, you know, I don't, he doesn't feel like a threat this week for me. I think pretty good golf course. Bullets and board material.

Okay. I think, you know, someone who plays a lot of golf on Vizby, they get some squalls and such going. I do want to shout out the random guy in the internet who has put together a recap of the big board, how it did against... Infographic. Infographic, how it did against a random number generator. And I can report that it did better. Yeah. We've got some graphics.

Maybe we can put those on social media. We can take to social media with that. Okay. But some good results. We'll get down. You want me to get to 41? We're not hard. We got,

we got Keegan here at 58 meal. Kagan's a 58. Why do we not have his last name capitalized? Is that a slight to him? Wow, that's interesting. No, that's just a classic of a Charlie XX situation. Merchstar typo. We're working fast through our document.

He always leaves you one Easter. egg to find it. Well, Keegan almost don't know. I didn't even want to double click on Sam Velovaki. You guys must be close personal friends. Samuel, Samuel, my friend Samuel Valovac. My guy, Sam.

No, Keegan almost took us out on Spyglass. He bombed one down the first. We're standing down there. I'm trying to get through the Yardage book with Jordan, and here comes a ball, like 20 past us. So that was tough. Kegan's going to call him 11.15.

Now, why is he at, why is he? We just saw him out here on the range, grinding. and why is he at 58? He quit, like, didn't even finish the first hole his practice round, just went home. I don't think he went home. He might as part of the course.

Went to go find a quicker board. Well, I thought he went home, so I said, no thanks. I'm not buying this week, okay? So, 57, Zander Schoffley. He's ninth in data golf ranking, 10th in the OWGR. He seems to be falling down those leaderboards. Pretty fast.

106 in the FedEx Cup. He was in grind mode on the range for two hours yesterday while we're doing a tech check. There seems to be whispers of injury or kind of maybe he was hurt more last year than we knew about. I just don't think we're bucking those issues this week. That could come back to haunt me

because he could, you know, he's a good golfer. I agree with that. A bit of a Hovland-esque win in the fall, maybe. Sure. When Hovlin won last year, yeah. When Hovlin won last year, it was just a little bit like, yeah, I don't know where that came from. You know, that Valspar.

Yeah, that was kind of... A box to win. That was kind of Zander a little bit maybe in the fall was, you know, nothing, nothing, nothing. Victory and now we're a little, a little off the rails. He was also wearing the blowby shoes on the range.

You know, I hate that. Yeah. I want to call it for those that may not know with the blow by shoes. Yeah, when all black, all black golf shoes, in basketball, you see someone wearing the all blacks is like,

it's a blow by alert. Like, blow by him. Like, that guy looks slow. Yeah. You should blow by him. Black, especially black, shoes on black socks on the basketball court. Maybe someone can get into Getty images,

but I feel like maybe Novak might ride the blowby shoes quite a bit. Might be an Adidas thing. We might need to look out for maybe that's a speed thing. Yeah, we could. Maybe switch to white shoes. That's right. That's right. Blow by alert with his ball speed.

Yeah, listen, the black shoes aren't helping. Yeah. That's not helping anything. 56. I've got Ricky Fowler here. Decent form, two straight top 20s, but not great results at Pebble in the past, T-47 T-53. I'm worried he's activating this week.

He is playing with a ballmower. Former Cleveland Browns GM candidate Condoleezer Rice. Okay. Head coach candidate. We had a big argument about this. Yeah. It was head coach.

It was head coach. Confirmed head coach candidate. We have three co-owners of the Denver Broncos in the field this week. Greg Johnson. Team offside. Mr. Penner. And yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, maybe they're doing some draft. Talking roles of responsibilities. Yeah, lots of stuff. 55, Emiliano Grillo. Saw Grillo hit into 17 before Sali hit for on behalf of the students. Awful iron shot into the wind. No thanks. That's all I needed to say.

54. I'm worried about a Shane Lowry here. Matt McCarty. Feels like he's been in good form, but I personal shot. I put him in here. Is he in the Fedora 5? No. He was not in the Fedora 5.

I think he was, he's in the, he's on the practice squad right now. Gotcha. The watch list. He's on the band. I got 53. I've got Michael Ford Bjornson. Great week last week. Maybe a bit of a hangover week.

Young guy. Can we sustain that success week over week? It's a fast car for this ballpark as well. That's right. So I feel like I'm thinking he progresses a bit. I just want to get on record that I don't like that one. Respect your process. I just want on the record.

I don't like that one. Potential home, you know, Stanford. That's fair. I didn't take into account. He's on the rise. I think he's like.

one of the next dudes. Yeah, 52, this one hurts. I hope so. I want to get a record. I hope so. I've got Mr. Max Grazerman. Played with DJ Diesel. Yeah. He could be DJ Diesel's quant. Yeah. I love the athletic article about Grazerman. If anybody is looking for a good long, long form read about his dad's from finance, worked at a hedge fund, the way they go about golf. They think a lot about how you would invest. We played the BMW Pro Am with him a couple years ago. I was like, hey, Max, what he'd like to do for fun? Came on a watch show last year. It's like I like to invest.

I was like, hell yeah, man. Like, he's just like, it's like a, you know, he's into it. Well, what a thrill for him to play with DJ Diesel. Yeah. So I think they might be getting too deep into the weeds of, you know, economic theory and financials. Well, they're playing with Billy Horschel and Ron DeSantis. So, God, what a, that's a greatest meeting of land at sea.

All right. Where are we at 52? Last one, 51, Joe Highsmith. I don't know, on POA. I don't know if putting with our eyes closed is going to go. well. So I've got him right here in the middle of the field. And there he has a post guy though. Yeah, fair enough. That's true. Thank you, Neil. Yeah. That's a fantastic. It's a lot to chew on so far. Sure. I like it. We're going to get back. We're going to of course pick up the big board and go

50 through one. But we do have a guest ready to come in. I feel like we should have some entrance music for when this guy does join. But before we get there, it is AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro-in week. We are here for the third year in a row live at Pebble Beach, proudly presented by our friends at AT&T. connectivity is truly the bridge to possibility improving the way we move through our daily lives AT&T creates connections to what people need to thrive in their everyday lives connections to friends family work commerce education health entertainment and more don't leave me hanging Johnson for 150 years connecting people has been AT&T's calling to find out more head to ATT dot com AT&T connecting changes everything welcome to the show Johnson Wagner how are you my friend

Solly, it is always a pleasure to see you, and it's always a pleasure to be at Pebble Beach. Love you guys. Great to see you. Mustache looks fantastic. It's getting a little gray these days. Join the club, man. Did you any maintenance of that? Is it going to have to stay dark?

Are you going to let the gray come in? A couple years ago, I would like pluck them or cut them. But now I'm just like rocking it because people like to say that I diet and I just want to prove that I would never. I know not that vein. Like, look at my body. I respect the game too much. Yeah. I'm going to let it go gray and eventually look like Maltby.

who's back, by the way. We can potentially discuss that. But big career change for you this past year. You moved over to CBS from NBC. What's that transition been like? It's been really cool. I loved everybody at Golf Channel. I was never really NBC just with Golf Channel.

And I love my team. I love the people I worked with from like broadcasters to research everybody. But the opportunity came up and network golf. It's pretty sick to be on a network broadcast team, especially like Sellers is just, I think, the best producer in golf. and to be able to learn from him and listen and work with Jim Nance, especially here at Pebble where he lives.

It's been a dream come true. And never would have thought three years ago that I could have this opportunity. Well, congrats, man. We're all like, talk about it just unanimous, you know, when the press release goes out, everybody in golf, it's like, hell yeah. That's great.

And that's kind of leads to my question is, you know, you played on the PJ tour for a very long time. I feel like you get turned into, you know, for good, you know, for good fun, the butt of some of these jokes, right? Let's have John. Johnston was a very successful PJ tour player for a long time. What does it like to be kind of like a golf media darling now at this?

Did you ever like in the middle of your PJ tour career be like, oh, I think that's the next step is I'm going to be the guy in golf media. The it kid and I'm still not stop. Like it is just not not it. But no, I never, Peter Jacobson told me one time that he thought I'd be good at TV when I was like 32 and I kind of put it in the back of my mind and didn't really have any options golf. was not going well. And so when the opportunity came up with golf channel, like I was fired up to try and fell in love with it. Like I caddied growing up,

then I played, and I have no other credentials. I didn't graduate from college. I knew I needed to get a job. Join the club of that one, too. Hey, no backup plan, no safety.

That's, that's motivating, baby. Got to make it work. Put your back against the wall. 100%. You could have went back to caddy. Where did you caddy? I caddied Hudson National in Westchester County,

New York. Yeah. I lost. I'm out in New Jersey now. Nice. Yeah. I'm Bernardsville, New Jersey. Cool.

But Hudson National Tough golf course. Tough golf course to walk and it's walking. Only full jumpsuit is a caddy double bagging. I lost 30 pounds. I was in my sophomore year in high school. I was just a doughy kind of like I am now. And I lost 30 pounds and just felt like I was walking on, you know, walking on the clouds. Cadied out there for four years.

Yeah. So what's the, you know, you're doing live network coverage now. You were famous for your segments you do on. live from on golf channel after play is done but you guys are just like this part of the plan going in like we're doing this live on the telecast and we so do you when you're sitting and watching the golf are you like you see when you see something crazy happening are you just like oh no here we here we go again they're going to make me recreate that one out there what's what's what's a day like for you now while the golf's going on so i'm walking i'm the third walker so i'll go out with i was with

keppka uh saturday and sunday in san diego and then last week was out with sheffler early and i'm with CBS we have a we have a monitor as a walker so I'm watching the coverage as we go last week Scotty holds this pot on 14 but then Hadecki hits this great shot from the desert on 13 and sellers gets in my ear and he's like hey when you're done with scottie we're gonna go out and hit that put on 14 from the front fringe and I was like what about the what about the Hedeky three wood like that was cool and he's like you can't hit that's like that's gonna might hurt somebody he's like you can't hit that shot I was like you're probably right let's we'll stick to the which I hit to 70 feet from 40 feet.

Michael Kim accused you of sometime of punting some of these shots. What do you have to say to that accusation? Absolutely not. The first one we did with CBS was Saturday in San Diego, and Brooks had hit a shot off the cart path on one. He was making the turn to the front side. He was second to last group off 10. And after he finishes one, we're talking.

We're like, yes, let's hit that cart path shot. And so I get up there and there's 20 people like have found me that this is happening. And I just realized, he's going to try. Watch, he's going to best up. Check it out. I had not made a golf swing since December 26th.

Oh. And now I'm put in a position with 20 people behind me trying to rip one off a cart path through the trees. And I mean, I hit it pin high 60 yards left of the ground. So it's not, I'm trying to hit a good shot. It's just difficult. I've been walking like three miles with Brooks for nine holes. And then, hey, why don't you crack your back and go hit a seven iron off a car path? Take the battery pack off and the headset.

You're all stiff. But yeah, that's, that's relatable, the way we make on that. You can't plan for that. Like, you can't plan for what's going to come if you, if that's going to be kind of how you guys approach it. I was trying to think, like, what could you do a pebble? You can do the tiger shot under the tree on 18. I think you might need a tee up a driver these days. That's, that's your words, not mine, I'm sure.

What are you saying? I have no speed. That's not what I said. You just said that. Has the chipping gotten any better? Have we, I had a lot of people reached out to you about your chipping. I've had many phone lessons from notable teachers, but I played Whisper Rock on Sunday and then played yesterday at Cal Club. Whisper Rock somehow I was able to chip and then yesterday at Cal Club, I'm on the first hole.

I've got about 40 yards, par five, and I just completely laid the sod over it. And it went, I mean, 10 feet in front of me. And for the rest of the day, I just pulled punch. out everywhere I could know the chain. Yeah, early in the rounds, that's tough. Yeah, it's completely in my head. No, it's it's a hit or miss on the day and how I'm feeling. What, uh, from a walking, you know, kind of walking commentator perspective, what's that been like? What is, what's the biggest surprise there? What's the, uh, you know, the part you've liked, the part that you didn't expect. What, what is that kind of been? I walked a few times with golf channel, but then kind of gravitated

towards the booth and really love the booth and now walking. It's like it's as much as, it's as similar as to playing around a golf on the PGA tour as I can have. Like if your group is playing well, it's awesome. You're calling a ton of shots. If you get a group that's not playing well, you're just kind of out there walking and you're not feeling great. But getting in the action, the crowds at Tori on Saturday,

Sunday were amazing. And then last week in Phoenix, it's like, yeah, just I find myself like just scanning, looking at all the scenery. So much more to comment on as a commentator when you're out in the crowd. You're like,

you're picking up on just a lot more stuff coming into your, your uh, your, her view. Absolutely. Uh, but it's also, I,

and I'll ask you this question, when someone's not playing well and you're, you know, you got the wrong group. You can learn a lot from them for a future event. You feel that way? I hadn't thought about that. I'm embarrassed,

but yes, that's a good point. Because I, I feel that way as a, uh, when I go to an event, my favorite way is like pick a group that's on a Friday, like around the cut line and you can kind of see,

there's not going to be a lot of crowds. You're going to see a lot of golf and you're going to kind of see like, are they a grinder or not, you know, Like, do they, are they just going to, like, I'm going to catch a flight home early? What's this guy working on? Is he making a lot of practice motions? And then when you see him in contention in a month is what you're saying.

100%. That day that I saw him on the golf course, now it makes sense. Yes. Yeah, I like that. That's forward. Hell yeah. Take that with you. That's free.

Life long learner. We're dealing with a small sample size, obviously, to start the PGA tour season. But I'm wondering what you've seen so far out of the first month, month plus of the season, but even smaller this year without having cop a little. but what have you seen that is actually telling you something in terms of, hey, I'm a little worried about this guy or like this guy trending. What has stuck out to you so far in the season? I'm one of the biggest Jordan Speath fans that's ever lived,

and I'm a little, I'm getting to the point where I'm a little concerned. Like, I just want to see some more consistency out of him. But also, like, Chris Goderup, like that we were having questions at the beginning of the year. Who's going to be the guy that pushes Scotty Sheffler and Goderup? Jake Knapp is bawling. Pearson Cootty is bawling. Like some of these guys are being these consistent top 10, top 15 every week and when are they going to break out? I think Goderup has just been unreal what he's done.

Does it have? Do you think he has the staying power? Like you competed on tour for decades, like maybe not decades. Like a fucking decade. But, you know, what does he have that would make sense to project him out? What would you project him out to be? I think he's got an incredible feel for a big guy. He hits the ball a long way.

My only concern, his swing is kind of timing based. A lot of moving parts. It's a lot of moving parts. So that would be my main concern. But it's who he is. And he embraces it. And he hits all these different shots. Like it's refreshing when you watch guys on the range that just hit, you know,

a three yard fade over and over. Like I was blown away with Matthew Pavan here a couple of years ago after he won Tori. And I was watching him just hit fade after fade after fade. But when you watch Goderup hit shots, it's like bullet cut, bullet draw high, low. He's got everything. So that I think is his biggest strength. And why he plays well in Hawaii where he won.

and why he won in Myrtle Beach, which is windy, why he won in Scotland. Like, he's going to be an incredible windy, tough golf course player. Which is so cool. We'd say this on the show all the time, but that's why it's cool to see him win in Phoenix, right? It's like, oh, that's totally different. You know, and now this week is totally different.

And if he's a guy that can compete at both, is like, that's what you're looking for, man. And that's what I think the best example is Rory over the last five years of being able to figure out, like, all of these different types of ways to win. You think Roy's a better example than Scott. Scottie's a good example. That's pretty

I forgot what Scottie Scottie in the field this week. I was watching Godorah pit It's not even fun to talk about Scottie anymore. It's not really, of course. Data Golf had him a 22% chance to win this week or something like that. It's like I was watching him hit balls. And it reminds me of not a lot of people flip the hands like it's like Patrick Reed.

It's like a blown up version of Reed at impact the way he gets through the ball. And it's like the lot can go wrong with that. But it's fun to watch. You know. When you're a timing based swing guy, when you're on, you're on for a while, but when you lose it, that's why he's missed a lot of cuts. Yeah. And, I mean, look at Aldrich Pocketer.

Like, when that guy, he's kind of similar. When you've got that kind of speed and that kind of action, you're going to, when you play bad, you're going to play really bad. But when you play good, you're going to be on fire. Yeah, I just got a lot of respect. It's like doing a gainer off a diving board, people that release the hands. It's like, you know, no fear. Watch your head.

Yeah. Watch your head, bro. I hope, you know, like, I don't want to do that anymore. I'm scared. You know, everybody's scared to flip, you know, to let the hands go, except for a few guys out I'm trying to fight it off. That's exactly right. It's kind of how the tour is built, though, now, too.

It's just maximize your best weeks. And if you miss six cuts or you finish low in some signature events, like it's not the end of the world. If you can squeeze out a win or two wins or, you know, five top fives or whatever, it's kind of how it's built. If you, let's say like you're the prime of your career playing wise would have lined up with today, like this era of play. We just had Andrew Novak in here.

He was talking about like, he's struggling to keep up speedwise. he's done things but hasn't and you were not a long hitter when you played how do you think that would have had you know the way the game is played currently in the year 2026 would that have had an impact on you at all and how you would have approached the game and is that something you would have seen even if you're playing really good golf you've won on the pGA tour would you have feel like you have been pressured into adding some distance yes i felt it at the end of my career but i i think what these guys have gone for him is in college and in junior golf they've been working out they're used to the gym like that was never something that i enjoyed and the two three

really good years I had, I actually did put that time in. So I think if I were playing today, I would be way more. You'd be yoked. I'd be, I'd be more interested in getting fit and eating right and doing the right things, like, because you have to be that way. If you're not, you're just going to get passed by. Any money kind of looming lurking out, you know, maybe it hasn't had the best finishes that you're like, oh, just wait until you see this guy up close and personal. Or anybody you're particularly investing it. I am so bought into Luke Clanton. I know he's struggled. T.C. 2.

Oh, yeah. He's our guy. No, you can't claim that anymore. We agree on something. You pulled him out of the top 10 best players without a major. You can't claim that. But we put him in there to begin with. Like, I love this guy.

I had a chance to be around him with a, I can't say the brand name, but a golf. Kind of a golf golf club commercial shoot. And I stayed in the same house with him. And then, like, we helped him with his putting. And he is like so energized about the game of golf. and loves working at it, loves playing, and he's super talented, and he's just one of the greatest dudes I've ever been around. Like, my favorite growing up was Freddie, and then it was Jordan Spee. And now Luke Clanton's like my favorite golfer.

How about that? Put your name on something, Johnson. I love that. I love the kid. He's great. What's it like rolling into CBS now with, we've been quite complimentary of them over the last five years or so, especially since Seller Shye took over. You compliment him already of saying, like, I feel like they're the clear leaders in golf production at this point. How well oil does their machine feel?

And what's it like working alongside Jim Nads? It's incredible. And from the moment I signed with them, I feel like I'm completely a part of the team. We've got a text chain with all of us. And it's daily. People are throwing stuff out there, team dinners.

And having the same crew every single week, that's the advantage. With Golf Channel, I worked with everybody, but it was five or six different people every week. And when you have the symmetry of the same announced crew, and everybody knows everybody's timing. It's just, it's like listening to it in my ears when I'm out there.

I'm just blown away by how clean they are. You can feel it, man. When you're watching the broadcast, even like, we are. You know, you can, you can feel it when it's people teaming each other up in the right way and passing the ball in the right way. Like, I know that's a soft thing that most golf fans maybe don't care about, but you can feel a market difference, especially from eight years ago, nine years ago. Yeah, it's great.

It's that we have a, we have a dinner and a meeting tonight. like we just sellers pushes team pushes investing spending time together and it it comes out on air and it's such an honor any uh any par three team building nearby i haven't gotten the call yet i'm so i'm hoping so bad i want to i want to i want to i think it's going to happen you can roll that into the broadcast you can uh you recreate the shot that i hit off his roof last year i'm sure i've got an opportunity to do that my wedge game talk about flinch and um should we do a little big board with With Johnson? Sure. Is that okay?

Are you familiar with the Belugas Big Board? Is that part of your index, your prep for the week? You're ranking the field from one? I'm trying to predict where everyone will finish from 80 to 1. Okay. And so it's a proprietary model.

And you finish with Joe Highsmith as I walked in? Yeah, Joe Highsmith came in at 51. Okay. We're picking it up at number 50. I have Stephen Yeager. I'm concerned. I'm calling out a potential Shane Lowry situation. That means last year I called out Shane Lowry.

I said he wasn't going to play well. He's not a mutter. And then he finished second. And so that stunk. Famously open. champions not great mutters yeah i just thought i thought that was an overplayed narrative and i was wrong but you put your hand up but i did you know that into the models we haven't heard she lowry's name yet that's right they they're self they're self-improve it uh 49 uh soldier boy

kevin you sure uh so crank it uh bad bad form right now but the the soldier boy drives it and puts it pretty well um and i think he's kind of a perfect fit to to live in this peloton for the week this this midpack here uh 48 Ryan Fox sorry T C I know uh two time winter last year yeah I just talking about hitting different shots too steep on wet surfaces thank you interesting thank you see a lot of the guys he was calling out earlier like the balugas boogas piped into his model too scraping his bottle yeah I'm scraping everybody's models just put a big stew together put it all together uh 47 JT posted guess what his date of golf ranking is 407 I feel like he is the pace car.

He's played pretty average this year, but you know. Mr. Mendoza. Yeah, the Mendoza line right there. Love JT. Posten, but yeah, I think 47's a good fit. Now, 46, this is where the Beluga made a mistake. This is the Doug Gim Award nominee, a Jonathan Vegas. I feel like I need to move Mr. Vegas down. 207 in Data Golf right now, three straight miscuts,

minus-cuts, minus five strokes gained at the farmers. He's just not hitting the ball well, guys. Yeah. And I was kind of looking up how he got into the to the field of the signature events. Was he last year? No, he won in 2024. So he was the. Yeah.

About two years ago? Yeah, two years ago. So I guess he was still in the top 70. But I'm looking at the stats. I'm like, man, he's like way down on a ton of stuff. But it would have been top 50. Yeah, I don't know. It might have been a swing.

But you're putting them at 40. 46. Yeah. That one slipped through the cracks there. That was not. He should be down in the 70s. They fill the field a little deeper for this one just because of the amateurs. So they, the top 60 from last year guaranteed and then they go down the list that way.

Well, anyway, I feel like Jonathan Vegas should, you know, there's a few guys I'd like to put up above him. But the bottle locked last night. And so that, that just slipped through the cracks. That's the way it goes. Arts never completed. That's just a bandit. That's right. 45, Alex Smalley.

He was the latest addition to the big board. I had 79 guys. I was missing a guy. Last year, I forgot a guy. Just a lot of right in the middle. So I just put right in the middle. I said, like, let's just throw him right in there. He's a lot of confidence.

44 step straca change putters this week don't love that um so we'll leave that there's 43 nick taylor best finished uh here's t20 played decent at sony taylor nick taylor one here recently sorry that was not in the models but 43 do you disagree with that go back to 2021 yeah i had some some storage issues i had to delete some old the models some old data that's right he did win here damn it uh we talked about that on the show that's right all right anyway that was just Mav, you were out there. I don't know why you don't like Seth either.

I know he changed putter, but like, Seth's really good. This is not a comment on whether you like a guy or not. It's a prediction on how you think they're going to finish. Like,

not everybody, not everybody can finish top 20. No, and a lot of people switch putters on the West Coast, pulling a greens, totally mind. They mess with your mind.

You can say. No, I'm not going to say. I'm a network guy. You're a professional. I'm a network guy. A lot of guys switch putters and I think it's a good thing,

too, get a loft, get it on top of the post. running a little better. It's not, it's not the weird. Well, listen, it's always hard to go through the big board when you get a pro in the room. You know, I might have to, we might have to. This is helpful. We're stress testing. Yeah, we're stress testing.

42, Big Bob McIntyre. TC saw Big Bob in the parking lot last night. He was lugging a big bin on his own, didn't have a team around. Like a British, like trash can? Just like a bin of stuff. And I just didn't really like that. I just thought, like, you shouldn't be doing that. You would rather like his manager.

Yeah, I think Bob's reached a point in his career where he shouldn't be lugging bins of stuff around. And how does that dovetail with your past comment that the, that lefties, quote, play well here? Ted, they are offsetting, offsetting penalties. So it just finds up right the middle. And that's why he's at 42. He's right in the middle of the back. But it does he likes, I thought he doesn't like Scottish weather. No, he moved back because he missed it so much.

Oh, interesting. 41, I got Cantlay. A lot of people like him out here. A lot of people like, I know, but like cold weather, you know, the back. He's got to get warmed up. He hasn't been playing that game. He's kind of been just like Ralph Ellison, Invisible Man, the past six months. Too many business.

I mean, I think it's more like two, three years. Okay. I'm signed. Signed me up for that. I mean, since he took the getting on the PJ Tour Policy Board and taking it over, like he has done his one. He really hasn't contended that much. I don't know. Too many, too many business leaders here milling about for him.

So like 41, like he would, you know, that would be a disappointing finish for him. But a guy with that kind of brand name is always hard for me to be like, oh, he's going to be in the 60s. Too big to fail. Yeah, a little bit. Too big to fail. He's going to call on his friends from Apollo. Okay, we got 40. The tool man, is that what you all call?

The hammer. That's a wall. Toolman. Well, he likes the Cantlay pick. I feel like you like that. You're not buying Cantley stock this week. No, not at all. I'm not disagreeing with much.

Other than the Nick Taylor, we forgot that he won here. That's tough. That's tough. But that's going to happen. This one's tough. I just think you're being unfairly, you know, negative or pessimistic on, on Cep. Fair enough. I think Seth's a dude.

It's a dog. I agree. I'm a big fan of Seth. And he's one of those big guys you think hits it a long way, but he really doesn't, which should play well out here. So that could be a potential Lowry situation.

We just got to run the play. Let's just see what happens. But again, the board's locked. I can't do anything about it. All right, 40. Matt Fitzpatrick. I'm just,

I'm, he's playing good golf. He's had a great 12 months, but he just, for me, he's hot and cold a little bit. I just don't, I don't like them out here this week.

That's a gut feeling. I'm going to put him behind Patrick Rogers, Marco Pench. Yeah, Marco Pench has been playing great. Well, listen, I mean, some got, you know, Patrick Rogers has the Stanford thing, right? Didn't you go to Stanford? Dutiously. Big time winner at Stanford. That's right.

So there's a home game model there. He's at 39. I got JJ Spawn. He's had some poor form basically since the Ryder Cup. I don't think we're respawn in this week. So he's at 38. Sure. Marco Penge, no, no notes.

She's at 37. It's kind of like when you put to have a kid. He may have to go home. like he just moved to Florida he's a rookie on the PJ tour he's missed his first two cuts like Marco Pench is a incredible player and will have success. He's got a lot in the back. I know switching to PhD like he's got a lot going on in the brain. Can I be honest with you with Penge?

I had my second son was born three months ago. So I was on paternity leave kind of a crazy December January. Penge, I'm like I don't know anything about this guy. It's kind of like when you're building your list of favorite bands like well I got to put one in there that that's right. I kind of had an open spot. You know, I'll slag worded here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could have been playing well.

Yeah, yeah. Not familiar. You won three times last year on the DP World Tour? I think he won three times. And they were all in a pretty tight window towards the back in the year. You probably should have been on the Ryder Cup team. Like, he's, he's a baller. He's a baller, but you guys don't like him this week.

No, I'm going to win a lot of variables going on. So potential Doug Gim. Well, yeah, we'll see. The Doug Gim award is, I, two years ago, I had Doug Gim like in the top five and he finished second to last. So it's like the honorary. award of like again Johnson Doug Gim

yeah well that would have been I mean the magic he was playing well yeah he was you gotta make a call sometimes you know or else no one's gonna enjoy the board you know this is an entertainment product uh Wyndham Clark 36

I mean past winter kind of a a bootleg win three rounds like they called it on the last day but course record holder so you know he's you got it I can't put you got a hedge a little bit head so I got him right here at 36 35 Cam Young continues to put it really really really well. But T-41, T-22 coming in, I don't feel like he's making too much noise.

We talked about distance not being a huge factor out here. Yeah, I could see it. I could see it not going well. I don't hate that. I love Cam Young, but I could see that getting a little squirly. 34, Harris English. Also, don't feel like Harris has been playing all that well. Though, I don't think he's flushing it. T.C., any reports from Sea Island. HG's 4 is so high, though. That's true. So 34 feels like a good spot. It kind of just has the look, right? great sweaters and I think he's going to look good out on Pebble Beach too kind of a

Keith Mitchell type of situation a guy I was struggling with Michael Kim I haven't at 33 he's our neighbor he's staying next door to where we're staying so you know able to get some intel kind of just seeing what he's coming and going it's like oh okay he's getting out there looks like he's got a good routine going yeah play the cow so that's close that's close that's close hits a draw one of the few guys that still wants to hit a draw on tour I don't know if that is good or bad out here. Just going to call that out. Good for some old.

Maybe it's spyglass, maybe not. I don't know. Just good intel. You take that and do whatever you want with it. He played well, though, to start the year off. Michael Kim has. So he could rise up the board here. Let me do where are we?

We're 33. Let's do three more. Corey Connors. He's always just, he's another Mendoza line guy. Yeah. Just I feel like don't have much to say there. Small greens, good iron player, you know. Mr. Hitsatsunei.

Well, the weekend. He's in the Fedora 5. He is in the first guy in the Fedora 5 to show up. I have him at 31 TC. I felt bad doing this, but I feel like he's going to cool off at some point. But he's got great a pro. He hits it close.

Playing with Ed Hurley. That's a good poll by you off the top of the head. At some point, he's going to, yeah, I do my homework. I study. TC handles the AM big board for me.

I focus on the pros. He focuses on the AMs. You got to wonder, there's moisture in the air. Does he need the, the caddy giving him the water bottle. Also, what happens with the sunglasses? Are you sunglasses on the course guy at Johnson?

No, I'm not. I can't. The depth of perception is just never good. You got to have light. If you're a sunglasses guy, though, you've got to have a light pair for the cloudy days. And we'll stop at 30. I've got Garrick Higo here at number 30.

Don't have much to say here. He feels like he pops up every now and then. Great look. Maybe kind of more of a SoCal look than a central cow. look. You know, great in the fall, hadn't really done a whole lot. Yeah. You know, starting the year, maybe cooled off a bit after that.

I mean, he was, he was Mr. fall there. Yeah. This is great. This is great stuff. I can't wait to see who's in the top 30. Yeah. Yeah.

John, maybe you could use some of this Intel, like, you know, if you're out there fall in a group, like you got to remember he was high in the big board. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He goes into 12. Remember, he was number 30 on the belugas big board.

I'm just trying to help you out, Johnson. I'm making mental notes here. You've taught me a lot to it. Yeah. Yeah, Fedora 5, it's just, it's, it's a, again, a proprietary model. Just looking at who the hottest players in the world are right now. Right now. It could have even changed since the last list, right?

Does anybody have the list handy? So, but just to explain it, so the PGA Tour website, when someone's hot on the course, making a lot of birdies, they get the fire emoji. Yes. And I was saying that we should have a Fedora emoji for TC could just say this is the hottest player in the world. Notaryously, where there's a lot of fedoras when he's back home. So current Fedora 5. There's actually six guys in there.

There was a tie for fit between Ryan Gerard, who's been one of the highest players in the world for the last 18 months. Number two in the FedEx Cup right now. He had three straight seconds. Mauritius. Mauritius.

And then Sony and Calum, he's tied with Callum Hill at the moment, who shanked it off the hospital, or the scoreboard. But in a playoff. In a playoff. Yeah, he was back-to-back weeks with Reed. Yeah.

Team Rose, number four. and what can we say? We're trying to find Team Rose. Do you see him out there? We got an award for him. He won the TC great man of the year. I just saw, I just saw Fooch walking out to the range.

He's probably right up there right now. I'm sure Fooch would love you. Go throw that in the bag. Carry that around the rest of the day. Number three, we got Sioux Kim. Yeah. Number two, we got her up. Yep.

And number one, the great man. He, Patrick Reed. So Scotty Schaeffler's not on. He's not one of the hottest players. Not currently. Yeah. Not currently. hottest players.

He's played twice this year. He went first and third. He's coming off that third place. At his level, you know. I would say, the one rule with the Fadorra 5 is you're not allowed to ask questions about it. Okay. Okay. You know, so that I've, trust me, I've done.

I would bite my tongue on that one as well. I think, I think Scott, he's playing good. He's on the practice squad. He's on the watch list. He's coming to the practice sessions. He has a key five to get in. He takes more than 17 straight top tens to get in. I think Oliver Lindel is probably next man up and then Scott.

Yeah. Yeah. I think limiting it to the five to six is, is impressive in itself. But Johnson, we can let you get out of here, man. I appreciate you. You hopping in.

Great to see you as always. Congrats again. Sincerely, man. It's awesome having you. Whenever you're on the TV, it makes my day better. I love it. I love you guys.

I listen to you pretty much every week. I don't necessarily disagree with this guy very much, but it's nice to finally sit and chat with you in person. because by community yeah congrats to your hokey's on James Franklin we're gonna be we're gonna be good again maybe I think so I mean

we got 15 it's a step in the right direction 15 Penn State recruits like moving over he's killing the portal like we're gonna be good yeah thank you guys well hey good to see you enjoy the week man yeah what we got we got 30 more to get through

should we top 30 tick off a couple more as we let's all he kind of filter back in here I can. I'm happy to. You guys tell me, I don't, you know, if we're right, this is one here that I, that 29, are you ready for it, Cody? I can, I can wait if you want. I do have another question if you, if you'd rather wait until it's wrong. Yeah, yeah, please. We talked about it a lot on the podcast on Sunday, which you were not on about the player's fifth major conversation. Do you have a, actually, let me even clarify. I don't know if we're talking about fifth major or if they're just kind of coming for the fourth major. We didn't really touch on that. I think they're coming for the fourth major.

I think they are as well. But your thoughts on this just kind of generally, as the PJ Torres released, their march is going to be major. The majors might just be a proprietary model. Well, yeah. I think it's so annoying to me

because they're just trying to, like the word major captures the casual fan. And so it's like, oh, you know, a casual golf fan would be like, it's, oh, the majors are what matter. And so they're trying to get the PGA tour's premiere event into that category.

but it just messes up the historical record. One of the good things, you guys are big baseball fans. I feel like in golf, one of the best things is that you can kind of compare these records across eras. And so if we just lob in a fifth major, it's just going to kind of muddy the waters. I mean, how am I going to predict, you know, over-unders? If all of a sudden there's a fifth major,

it's going to mess up my model. Or maybe you were building that in. Yeah. Well, for, well, for Nelly, I knew that I had five majors, right? But for on the PGA tour, it's just, I don't know. Maybe I was counting that. with my column or cowahua stuff i knew i was going to get a fifth major yeah that's interesting i feel like when we so a question we were asking each other last year was whose career would you

rather have adam scott or justin rose jason rose pushed hard into like you know the better 10 years from now when you look back who's going to be the better player when you lay those careers side by side adam scott also doesn't have one of these right and you look technically no one has one of those that's the first one ever i feel like we started going through like one major each would you rather I have a master's U.S. Open, but then you start thinking, okay, well, Adam Scott has that players win. And that, for an avid golf fan, you know how important the players is. Like, it does have juice already, even if it's not declared a major. And so I would, I do, I do not want it to be the fifth major is where what I'm getting at. I'm not buying into that conversation.

I think it's a lazy marketing ploy. That's what I think. That was kind of where I settled on the pod too. It's like, I think both things are true is that I completely understand why you would run that ad. and I hate everything about this conversation. It's kind of how I feel. And I don't know where that leaves us, where I'm just like, you know, kind of a you got to hand it to him.

I hate that I have to opine on this. If I was a billionaire who invested in SS, you know, through SSG to try to prop up the PJ tour, what I would say is like, man, it'd be great if we could get one of those majors. Can we work on that? Like, I understand why they're doing it.

As a golf fan, I'm just like, please stop. This is not helping anything. I don't think. And truly, I believe there's such a difference even in the conversation in the May, like the 2016 players championship, if you were like, this is a major, I'd be like, I'm ready to have that combo. Like, Duke's shooting 65. Like Sergio complaining about the greens getting out of control

for putting, like that super slick fast Bermuda, very serious penal rough, like really actual shot value that works backwards from the green backwards and some variables. And like, we can't have ball in hand when there's been no rain and call it a major championship. Like they just, it does not work with the overseen and the humidity, like truly elevate TPC sawgrass to its best form. Like everything about Augusta National, that golf course peaks for the major championship. And for the PGA tour at the players, everything peaks to be as green as possible on television in March. And that is not the same as other major championship tests. I agree. Rory had some comments this week about the players as a better identity than the PGA

championship. I agree with that. PGA championship is slipping. It has not been a positive thing to have that in May. And it's not been a positive trend on the golf courses they've gone to and how they've set that up to identify major champions. You're on notice. There's some vulnerability there. I get it. I don't see the players passing that with the players currently in March. Let me ask you this because I was thinking about how to have this conversation or like how it's valuable.

I feel like we always look at our podcast as like, oh, we try to be kind of the voice of the fans. Do the fans benefit if the players becomes a major? No. I don't think so. I think it diminishes the thing. It confuses the fans and turns it into just a mess of a mess of a major. conversation. I totally agree, which is where I'm kind of like, I think that's the end of the conversation. I think you can point to like, well, when though technically, the way these

tournaments became majors was because of the riders. Yeah, because of the sports writers just declared. And it's like, yes, that is true. But like, man, we're past that. I think, I think we've reached critical mass on like, it kind of is what it is at this point. And yeah, it, if anything, it weirdly, I don't know. I don't know if it will end up having the reverse intended effect where it almost pushes the PJ championship to be like, oh, we do need to get our shit together and even create more distance between the players and the PGA.

Because I think Rory's comments are right. The other thing he was saying, like, not only does the players have an identity, but it's got more of an identity than the PGA, like you said. And I think, if anything, the PGA is probably going to take that to heart, hopefully, and like, especially with new leadership. But then what you move it back and understand clearly what the problem is. The FedEx Cup forum.

I think everything's, I agree with him. Glory's last chance. like the PGA at the end of the major season. Chorus last hole. Sure. Glorice last hole. Identity. Of course.

Glorri's last hole, sure. It has an identity there of just like a total free for all. Like, all right, this is the last chance. Like, you know, it's just like a fun end of the year event versus kind of, yeah, kind of got squeezed in now in May. Yeah. I would argue that we're closer to having three majors than we are to having five majors. Totally.

And I guess that's my point. It seems like there's going to have to be some separation between those two. and I just think there's a fundamental, I don't know. But then I don't know who has to rule. Like, I don't know how this changes. I think we do. Right. And that's where I'm like, well, let's talk to golf fans.

Does anybody care about this? Like, not really. I don't know how, I don't know how you wake up in a day where you're just like, oh, everybody's on the same page now. There's, you know, there's either five majors or there's four and this one's out. And like, it's so messy. There's not, yeah, there's not an overarching, like, body that rules. Right.

It's like, each body has their own major championship and how. that works. And having lived through the last five years, no pun intended, of fractured, confusing, weird golf. I'm like, how about some clarity sounds better for the next 10 years rather than just like more muddiness? I can make it super easy. Without ROM, without Bryson, you cannot have a major championship. Like, not even close. Well, Liv, put something out this week that said, you got to fill out the right paper. We filled out the paperwork to propose Live Adelaide, specifically the watering hole as a major. Since we're doing that. now they're so bad at this just like so over-engineered prods at the pGA tour even if they left

himself vulnerable that one they're just not very good at executing that one but jamy kennedy did have a tweet i'm not sure if we can pull that up of um he said what if the players was a major how would it impact things and he said a list of notable names how many majors they would then have if it became a major jack nichols would go to 21 because he won the players three times tiger won it twice uh he that we put him at 17 That would put Rory up at seven. They would put Phil at seven as well. That would put Scotty at six.

Raymond Floyd would get a bump up on. Craig Norman would get a bump. I'm sure that goes into consideration as well. Davis Love becomes a three-time major champion. Steve Elkington becomes a three-time major champion as well. He has ruled on this as well. He said, I want it twice. It's not a major.

Let's move on. Phil said it's not a major. Let's move on. I think that's kind of pretty much the general. Think about retroactively. Be like counting the players going back in time. I don't want to do this while. we're doing this job. If in 30 years they want to make it a major, fine, but it makes our job

that much harder. When it penalizes all the, all the guys way back at the day, too, pre-players. Yeah, which I, yeah, I'm sure there, there is history to draw on here when they, you know, USAM to the master. Yeah, changes. I get that. I get it. But it's like, man, we've got a long streak now where I don't think we can really rock the boat. We've been living in this world for like 65 years or so. I don't know exactly when it is, but like let's just stay in that one. Can we just get an international major?

Yeah. If we're adding a major, it doesn't, I do think it has to be, it would have to include potential for Australia. It would have to include possibility to go around the world. TC wants to elevate the national opens. I want to, I do want to elevate. I think that the Open Championship,

nobody ever said it has to be. Yeah. He does have his Sevy open sweater on today. Nobody said it has to be. Like, if they go to Port Marnock, that's not. That's outside of the UK. That's not in the UK. They could go to Royal Melbourne.

That would be Commonwealth. There'd be Commonwealth. It's a royal course bestowed by. I put it in Royal Montreal. I mean, it's the, it's the open. Royal Greens. It's a change of date. You can't go down to Royal Melbourne in the middle of the winter.

Just saying. Everything's on the table is the point. Yeah. Lib doesn't even go to Royal Greeds anymore. They're going to... There's an opening. No, Read Golf Club. King Abdullah Economic City was once the center of the golf world.

Let's keep going down the board. What are we... I feel like we got a few left. We're at 29. So coming in at 29, Rico Hoey. Good approach play from Rico. I could see Uncle Rico flashing this week. I feel like 29 is a good spot.

He's been playing pretty well. Sure. Poa, maybe nobody puts. well. Sure. You know? 28. Keith Mitchell. I feel like I should have put Keith higher. He drives the ball great. I feel like he likes his tournament. He likes networking out here. We saw him. He likes it too much. Yeah, we saw him in the restaurant last night. He said he was a quote, ashamed to be seeing TC down in the beach.

The bench. In the bench down. And not in the tap room. We both wanted to be in the tab room, but they were full. He's like, TC, I just, we should be up in the tap room, man. This is, this is below us down here. Adversity. Yeah. But he seemed to be in good spirits. I have him at 28th. I could see him. He's had a good start the year. I feel like Keith always puts pretty well on the West Coast, at least the last couple years. It feels like he gets off to a hot start and then he

fades the rest of the season. That might be true and not. I don't have that in front of me, so I'll go with you. That's what my models have told me. 27, Hideki Matsuyama. I'm worried he's going to be reeling from last Sunday. He could also be the kind of guy that's like, oh, no, I'm just hitting it really good, and

he might go out and win this week. So this could This one I'm concerned about He's a one here, right? No, but you know, you just, you just kind of, good luck trying to predict me. I know, he just shows up when I're like,

yeah, he could just totally nuke my, my board here. I'm really worried about this one. 26, Fidora 5 member, Ryan Gerard coming in at 26. T.C.,

I don't have a ton of. I don't love it. I don't love it. You want to see higher? No, I know. I want to see lower. Oh, you feel you're fading them. This,

just this week. Okay. I think he's more of a. dry course kind of player and he's got a little bomb and gouginess to him. All right. Well, then I feel good about having them outside the top 20. Can I say,

Brian Gerard last season, since I think April onward, had two weeks where he was not negative strokes game putting, two out of like 20. Truly, if you look at that day to golf page, it was really bad. Last three starts on the piece, more in the last three starts,

all positive. I don't know the specifics of what has changed on his putting. Like a lot of people have said, if that guy figures out putting, he's going to be one of the best players in the world. he has figured out putting. I don't know how long it's going to last. If it's a true staying power,

he might just have like a honeymoon period going with a new putter or something. But him being, he becomes a very legitimate player when he's making putts, when he's above average, just being an average putter and that guy's going to be one of the top 25,

30 players in the world? Well, it's, you nailed it. I haven't had it 26. So I think the models are spot on. Tom Hogi at 25. A thoroughbred past champion here. I just saw him in the hall. You'd love to sell this one if you could.

I would like to move him down the lawyer. Tom, how's it going? He says, ah, man, I'm just not hitting my irons really well. I'm like, well, that's kind of what you do well.

He just, I didn't love our combo. I didn't love us. You want to come in in the last? He's like, no, I got to get out there and work, but it's raining.

So he just kind of, he just felt a little frazzled. Neil, on the next one, you spelled Speeth wrong. Did I? Oh my God. Before he,

except after C. Well, sorry. I was moving quickly. 24 Jordan Speed Really really solid Mid performance from Jordan this week I think I nailed it last year I think I put him right in this range

And I think he came in like T, he'd have to look it up But it was like T20 The T30 area What was your takeaway from kind of walking around With him picking his brain yesterday? I would like to see What I love about Jordan

Is how cerebral and thoughtful And like, you know He's a beautiful mind Jordan has a beautiful mind Jordan has a beautiful mind. The record speed was T69 at this event last year. Was he? Okay.

Then we'll factor that in. I still feel good about T24 because he's been, he, he was explaining to us that he's hitting it better. He's got some, he did that range talk thing with Dylan the chair. I thought that was a fantastic video. I, he feels like his DNA and his swing is, is coming back. He's finding some templates of old swings. I feel like.

Let's get moving through these last few. We got to, we got to move. Okay, sorry. I thought you guys would have told me to keep talking about Jordan. Totally misread that. Anyway. No, the opposite. What else about Jordan?

Great shirt yesterday. Ball nor Andrew. Ball nor Andrew. Missed a cut last week, T7. I like 23 here. I think that's stern but fair. Daniel Burger at 22 past winter. I'm not sure what to do.

High on burger right now. I feel like I've been high on burger for 12 months, but he's had a T6 and T16 in the last couple months. Jacob Bridgman, strong golf. I just, I've not. ready to admit that like oh man Jacob Bridgman's like really good we were talking about that yesterday when we're out of spy glasses it's where we're entering an era here where you know

I think that we all benefited from like when we were you know first starting this the young players were pretty electric young guys speed JT you know calling people people like that and it is like you said Jacob Bridgman's reaching critical mass Ryan Gerard is reaching critical mass

like these are kind of the dudes man and it's uh it takes some adjustment Rico Hoey. I'm like, oh, that's a mule. And I'm like, well, maybe he's not, man. And it kind of a unit. I thought he was one of the Hoyguards. We played with him at the RSM this year.

He's freaking good and he's got no holes in his game. It's just like smooth. So I haven't at 21. I think consider that me showing some Jacob Bridgman respect. I've got Akshay at 20. And we'll cut it off there. So as we know, lefties are a threaded pebble. Yeah.

Well, now they are again. Yeah. 20 minutes ago. Because of auction. How are you guys feeling? So, so, Soli,

you're going to be playing this week with Mav McNeely, which we mentioned earlier. Neil, you're going to be caddying at Pebble. You guys are out Pebble tomorrow, right? Off of 10.

10. Don't go to 1. Go to 10. So you're going to be cadding on Thursday. T.C. is going to be caddying at SpyGlass on Friday, which looks, my guys,

it's hard walking around there. We can talk about that. But how are the three of you guys kind of feeling going into that? I was getting some tips from Greller out there in the hallway. He said he really, he really put you through the he did grinder.

Yeah, he did. We got a great video of you guys kind of chopping it up. We can put on social today of really. I'll probably go with, you know, Solly's got a pretty good handle on his game. I'll probably go with the shut up and keep up mentality. Maybe talk to Scout a little bit. Be like, hey, man, do you just tell me if I'm in the way,

I will get out of the way. T.C., you got to watch the flag stick. Can't be touching the ground. Oh, they changed that rule. They changed the rule for. It can do that. Super quick. I mean, if people don't know that,

story. That's kind of an old time. So I was catting for Zach Blair in the, the Nashville, uh, corn fairy tour event at Nashville, Nashville Golfs of America. And I, I just forgot the rule. You were reading a putt. It's reading a putt and I pointed down. I wasn't trying to hit the ground, but I did. And Zeeb called it, you know, as a man of integrity. You lost two stroke trauma for a while. Yeah, yeah. Two shot trod. You docked my pay, the whole thing. But the USGA, the R&A, came together. They said, if this could get Tron, it can get others, we need to change this. We need to change this rule. They made it change. Yeah, exactly. How do you feel about the rules? I feel actually pretty good about the rules, but I'm not scared to ask.

Are you confident or are you right? I am, let me put it this way. I am confident, but I'm never scared, even when I'm playing in a tournament, to double check. I'm, I would never be like the, no, I know, like, I'm not going to override somebody. I'd be like, if I disagree with somebody, I'd call in a, let's get a third opinion on this, right? Let's make sure we do this properly. So I feel like I have a good handle on where there could be a, like, ah, man, I actually don't know what to do with this. But that hit me in a big way, caddying in the LPJ program last week, two weeks ago for our guy,

Tim Simons, where we, you know, you get to just the simplest thing. And it's like, oh, God, wait, do I know the rules? This is, this is unbelievable. Yeah. I would say, Sally, the key for us is understanding the assignment. if there nobody really cares if we have a rules issue so like I don't think you know I don't think we should be I don't think we should be super worried about Ricky what's up? I think we got somebody that knows the rules a little bit better than you yeah Ricky Fowler welcome in buddy how are you? Hello I'm good how are you

doing great what's on the schedule for today and has the weather changed any of that schedule you know I started uh kind of looking at that last night didn't really have a plan thought maybe I'll work out kind of mid-morning, so we've accomplished that, and it was kind of just playing it by ear. I'm not sure I'm going to definitely hit a few balls where that goes, if that's just some range time and maybe some practice, or maybe going course. I don't know. I'm kind of just seeing where it takes. Mental reps. I like it. Yeah. What's your week-to-week like these days? I feel like I used to see you all the time when I work for the PJ tour, very different phase of your life, your dad life now. I mean, what's it like traveling week to

week. How things change for you in your career? It's a traveling circus. I mean, all of what we do out here is definitely a traveling circus, but I have my own little circus. What's the circus look like? Pay me a picture here. Well, we used to, you know, be able to, you know, we're very fortunate with, you know, being with that Jets and being able to fly private. That's, that makes this doable.

We were talking about that walking out yesterday. We're like, can you imagine how hard it used to be to play pro golf. Traveling around, like, oh my God. It's still very hard. But it allows us to, you know, travel as a family. I think the misconception, I think a lot of people think that, you know, we have these jet sponsorships and that we get, you know, to fly for free. That is definitely not the case.

That is our biggest. You know, make some birdies. But it also allows for us to do the things more efficiently, be together, you know, more time at home when we're able to get back or get to other events easier and quicker. And so, yeah, a lot of times we'll have a nanny with us. We have the two, two girls, minus four, Nellie's one and a half, my wife, myself. And yeah, there's not really splitting flights anymore. We kind of, unless we get, you know, upgrade or we look at trying to, you know, maybe

bring someone on that's by themselves we can split. But we, we fill it up. So that's kind of the, you know, figuring out. We know what fits. We've got our basics. Most of the time we're running a house. We'll have, you know, sometimes have a chef with us to, we're just trying to make it as easy as possible. You know, we spend, you know, at least 25 weeks a year on the road. That's usually play about 25 weeks. And then sometimes there's other stuff on top of that, which I would say people look at it like, oh, 25 is not bad. That's only, you know, half, roughly half the year, but it's like, it's not half and then have half off. It's, you know, two or three weeks on, maybe one week off. So there's a lot of back and forth. So it's, it can be a little hectic, but we're, you know, we're used to it. How would you describe the role golf in your career has now with a, with a mix of family life?

I always think it's interesting to watch kind of the young players that we golf has to, your, your life revolves around golf and you get married, you have kids. There's a different balance and equation that you just describe how. how that has changed a lot of your travel habits. But how would you describe where golf sits in your life compared to maybe a decade ago? I mean, it's still a, you know, a type of priority. But for me, I'm very fortunate. Like if golf and all of that were to go away today, like me and my family, we're good.

You know, I've, you know, played well enough where, you know, I'm out here because I want to be out here. I love to compete. I love the game. I'm a golf nerd. I'm an equipment nerd. I love the grind. I don't, you know, like, say like financially, I don't have to be out here. But this is what I love to do. So that's why it's still, like I said, a type of priority. But it's not a life or death. Like, you know, for me, my wife, my girls, family, that's, that's number one. So to be able to do that together, travel together for, you know, at least about another year and a half before. Maya starts kindergarten and there's a little more regulation behind how much school you can miss. We'll take advantage of that. And so travel, you know, having them out after, you know, a year and a half might go down.

But like I said, we're out here because we want to be out here. Love the grind. You know, golf is my first love. So it's always going to be there. But it's not the main priority. I thought that dirt bikes were your first love. It was a combo. Golf was always ahead of bicycles and dirt bikes, but, you know, started, you know, riding and playing golf was, you know, two, two and a half.

But, yeah, golf kind of always edged it out, which people find at that age, tough to believe. You know, not many kids would rather go hit balls versus go ride a bike. You got any sheds out back where you got a dirt bike under a blanket, like any, you know, any toys in the garage at home? Nothing crazy. Um, lawnmower. No. Used to, back in high school or middle school and high school, you used to, you know, great riding lawnmower at home, go out, cut the lawn, you know, once twice a week and

sometimes cut some little teeing areas or some, uh, greens play some wiffle ball golf around the house. Uh, like I said, golf nerd. Love it. But, yeah, no, the bikes and stuff for two wheels with, uh, machines are in California, rarely hop on that. I haven't been on a track in probably 10 years, but take the girls for a ride when we're at my parents' house sometimes. I feel like I'm gravitating towards these like elder statesman questions here, which is funny. But we were just talking right before you came in about,

you know, we started doing this. It was like, oh, the young crop of guys is so fun. It's, it's Ricky and J.T. and Spieth. And you kind of find yourself like with more gray in the beard now being like, oh, wow, we're, okay, we're older. And like, we kind of got to catch up on like, man Jacob Bridgman's a really good player and he's just kind of slipped under under my nose here who else like out here now just impresses you that doesn't either get in a burn or you know is someone that you see on the range and are like people have no idea how good that guy is uh i mean it you'd kind of just say everyone obviously you know a lot of people think like yeah there's the the key guys or the names and the guys that are top ranked in the world and stuff like that

but like everyone on tour is good. I mean, you guys know that. But you also, you kind of learn as you go still. You see guys and you're like, dang, he's a good player. Everyone's earned, you know, their spot, you know, whether it's this week, last week, all these events. But it's not like, you know, people are just given a chance. Yeah, there's some sponsor invites here and there,

but like they earned that invite. Everyone on tour is a good player. And I think it's what's fun is looking at like, okay, what makes this guy good, you know, obviously distance is a become a big thing that helps out here. But, you know, you look at someone like a Brian Campbell. Like he's one of the shortest out here, but like what makes him so good. And that's what's fun to kind of pick apart. You know, I spent a lot of time with Akshay last few years. He lives, you know, down in Jupiter now. And he's been on tour for a few years. But I think a lot of people don't, understanding. He's still very young. So I enjoy it. Like when I was first out, I used to spend a bunch of time with Bubba. He was, you know, 10 years older than me, being in a position now where I get to, you know, hang with some of the younger guys. I still feel like a kid out here. With this being my 17th year, I'm not a kid anymore. Dude, don't say that. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't feel like that. But yeah, this is year 17.

Well, a career will be able to. All right. Well, 17 years. How do you, how do you feel about Pebble Beach. How does it fit your game? How do you feel about this week? It's a fun spot. So weather dependent, though. This can be the, I mean, special, like, most beautiful place in the world to get me out of here. Yeah. In five minutes. Yeah, no, but it's, I love Pebble. You know, played Cyprus yesterday. It's, that's, if I, one, it's on the very short list. die and hopefully go to heaven. If I'm living close enough and can play Cyprus every day,

like that's, I'm good. That's it. So, no, it's a great place up here. I've always loved Pebble. I've had times in my career where I haven't played it and some of that schedule related, you know, if you weather. But it's, when you get decent to good weather up here, it's amazing.

How would you, you know, you came out on tour. You had immediate success. that was a sustained run of success for six, seven, eight years, however long you would describe that. You'd your first kind of dip in play. You tell me on what timeline you think that kind of started to creep in. And what would you, you went back and diagnosed that you've had a return to form, not quite to the full form we saw in the early part of your career, but obviously a return to form. How would you diagnose when things started a dip for you? What happened there? And how did you get your form back? One thing I don't think that helped me was COVID. You know, may have kind of been heading in a

not great direction prior to that, but it seemed like COVID and that time off wasn't, wasn't great for me and not blaming anything. I mean, I think you look at stuff over the course of a career, you're going to have, you know, down points. So, yeah, you look at, you know, kind of the, wouldn't necessarily peak, but like good years, 14, 15, 16, you know, one Phoenix and 19, and then kind of after that, you could say, it went south a bit. There was some rough years getting back to where then I was in 23. Yeah, it's just a grind out here. And some of it, that can make or break someone.

Sometimes you don't see guys, you know, get out of that or come back. You know, you might lose a card and never play the tour again. So looking back at it, it was an enjoyable time. a weird and twisted way, but to deal with that and be able to kind of persevere and keep pushing and keep trying to grind. Like, how do we figure this out? How do we, you know, one, I never felt like I was too far off. It's just out here on tour, it's such a fine line. It can make you look like, you are a terrible golfer. But it's like, no, it's not that bad. I know I shot 78, but it wasn't that bad. That could have been 75 really easily.

And no, it was just, it was like, had to keep looking at it. Like, it's not that far off, you know, okay, missing cuts by one or two where I had had some decent years where I would grind it out, make the cut by one or two, and then have a good Saturday and or Sunday. And all of a sudden you have a back door, you know, top 20 and top 10. And that's where the fine line, you know, what you can do when you just make the cut versus obviously you don't have a tea time and you don't, can't really do anything with it. you see a lot of good finishes where guys, you know, maybe make a couple birdies on Friday, make the cut on the number or, you know, sneak in by one or two, make a run on the weekend. And the difference in I'm going home or sneaky top 10 this week. Opportunistic question here.

But the other thing we were talking about was the player's major conversation. You're the winner of one of the most memorable players ever. Any thoughts on that chatter drumming back up? the last couple of weeks? I mean, for me, obviously, I wouldn't be against it. We can't retroactively. That's our policy, though. No, if it was returning major program. That's great. No, I mean, I'm, you know, going and we've, we've had the four. It's the history, how things have been. So no, it's, yeah, when you look at it personally, I'd be like, yeah, that'd be great because obviously we all know the players is, you know, strongest or arguably one of

the strongest fields we play. It's a great tournament. I'm very fortunate to have it on the resume. But we've we've had the four majors. There's there's way more history with those. So if you remove yourself, to me like the players kind of stands on its own. It's the players. People know what it is and whether it's a major or not, it's the players. I've got a macro golf question for you. Is there anything right now in 2026 that you do better than you've ever done? before, like in your game? I would say, well, at time,

I would say like the management. Yeah, even that specifically, you know, like, as you become a veteran, like, what do you think is at, at the peak right now? I'm definitely a better, better player than I've ever been, partly with what I've been through. You know, I would say maybe results and stuff may not show that.

Obviously, when you're playing really well and you have, good results. But I would say overall as a whole, I have a better understanding of my game and swing and sometimes you can't execute. Sure. That's just part of it. But if you're not continuing to get better, and I think it's more like the knowledge and understanding of, you know, whether it's personally on the mental side, physical side with swing and understanding the game, strengths and weaknesses, then you're not doing it right. Like I said, obviously you look back. You're going to see the times where I had my most success on course, but I, as an overall, as a whole player, I feel I'm better now than I was then. It's just a different way of looking at it if you take

kind of results out of it. Yeah. Well, that was good. And that's the question, because I remember Rory was talking about this. He feels like he's, he has more shots in the toolbox than he did 10 years ago, even if those results were a lot better. Well, Matt, I mean, Mav McNeely was the first person we talked to you today. He was talking about just the mind and the body kind of developing it in opposite directions. It's like, man, if I could port my brain into the 21-year-old version of myself, it would be kind of game over. But yeah, it's just funny to see those peaks in your career where those two things match up and when they're on different sides, how you manage it. I'm curious how you would describe as a peer of his, what we've seen out of

Scotty Schaeffler and the rise he's on, the play that he's had. Like how, you know, we've, we've long said his play has been the best since Tiger. He's not Tiger. We're not going to get there. I don't think. But as a peer of his watching what he's done in that success level, did you think that was going to be possible with the depth of talent that's out here now, as far as everybody hits it, that somebody would be able to separate themselves the way he has against a lot of the field? No, I mean, the simple question is no. But when you look at what he's done, obviously having, you go back to when all this started, having the success and kind of building that confidence and momentum and then you look at where, you know, whether it's, you know, to go through stats or

ball striking and different things, obviously improve putting to get that closer to match the rest of his game. But I think one of the biggest things is his misses just aren't as big as other guys. You know, everyone can hit a great shot out here and hit it close. But he just doesn't miss it as far off or as wide as everyone else out here. And, It's a game of misses. Everyone can, you know, hit it, you know, relatively far enough. But being able to do everything the most consistent and have the misses not be as big as others, that's, I mean, it sounds a lot more simple than it is.

But when you look back, I mean, he's not missing by much when he is. And I think if you still went to him and asked, like, how many perfect shots did you hit you know, today or in this round, perfect shots still don't happen that often. There's still very few. It's how you manage, you know, how your misses are and where those are at and where you can go from there. It's interesting if you pull up his approach play, like on data golf, you can see like his poor shot avoidance from like 150 to 200 is like 96 percentile. But to your point, his good shot percentage is only 88th percentile. I say only in that like he's 99th percentile. He gains the most shots from that range.

than anyone, but he's not hitting the most good shots. Yeah, he's obviously he's plenty good enough on his good shots. But his misses are so much better than everyone else. So like I said, he's still hitting, you know, he'll, he has the capability of hitting a perfect shot. Everyone out here does. You're on the record. Hey, you do too. It's possible.

It's possible. But, yeah, how good are your misses? And I think that's where he's done a very good job of managing. and kind of keeping that, you know, window very small. That's so personally, for my golf, that's so demoralizing. You just have to do it over such a long period of time. Like, you know, four-round tournament, the consistency you need to, like, raise the floor. The more I'm around you pros, the more I'm impressed by that, just the ability to stay mentally locked in.

Because it is, it is about the misses. It's like you just can't hit the squirrelly one, man. Can't do it. What's, have you made any equipment tweaks recently? Like, did you switch to a mallet? Is that right? Putter-wise? Yeah, I went to back to Scotty, like just off center shafted gollo.

That kind of started, I mean, going back to, you know, kind of the only way I can go fullback and really explain when I went to, like, the long jailbird. I was struggling kind of with rhythm and flow and right hand in the stroke and things weren't matching up, and it wasn't hitting good putts or hitting line and proper speed, which that's, it's, you can figure out one. variable, but when you have multiple, you're like, that's not a good thing in putting. And hit some putts with my caddies putter.

Rick was used, he's been using that jailbird for a long time. For me, it felt like, okay, this quieted my hands and I was able to hit putts online. So, okay, if I can rely on that, I can move forward and use that for a bit. And then wanted to get to a point where I wasn't so, where I didn't rely too much on that weight and length because it's so different from the rest of what's, your bag. So that's when I kind of, you know, started testing and messing with the lab stuff because I felt like I was able to kind of meet in the middle with he still keeping the hands quiet, but at a shorter and lighter putter. And then that transition through this past year,

and I was at home and hitting putts with an old bullseye. And I say, oh, it's pretty old. It's before it had tideless on it, just as a cushion it. And I felt really good with just having the shaft straight in. Like, how often do you go play like put putt? I haven't gone and played in a long time, but like shaft straight in, like you just hit putts and react and they start online. And so it was hitting putts with the bull's eye. And I was like, I feel like I remember having a, you know, straight in like kind of center shafted golo in my inventory at home. So found it and started messing with it. I still, you know, I'll hit putts with a lot of the putters that I have, you know, what Scotty, Odyssey Lab, Cobra. I have a decent

collection. Sure. I mean, the one thing I found, they all work. You can go hit puss with your wedge. They all work. So, getting back to where I was able to have a good kind of rhythm and swing and load release with the right hand, that's kind of

back where I'm at now. But that's the long story of transition from all of that back to where we are. Back to this week. How as many times as you've seen these golf courses over the year, how much prep work do you actually need on the golf course to understand, you know, are you aware of changes made to courses? Do you have so much course knowledge and memory of all these places?

Does it come right back to you when you step foot on Pebble Beach? I don't need to know, you know, the carryover this bunker because I remember it. Yeah, and we've, I mean, you've been at this point 17 years. Back to that. You know, haven't played this event every year, but we've had U.S. Open here, and then this event I've played enough to have seen the golf course in multiple, you know, different winds and conditions. Where, yeah, you could get around it and not look at your book. It's, you know, obviously, I have the Arsbook there to kind of make sure and just kind of clarify some things.

Yeah, really don't need them on this golf course. There's others where it's nice to kind of double check some things. things get a little tight in areas. But yeah, there's a chance, you know, I might go play some holes today. But with how the golf course is going to change with the weather we've had, you know, yesterday and today, you know, it in a way didn't make sense to go do anything on Monday because you're going to see something different than what you would, you know, go see on Thursday.

So you would say, go into play a tournament blind. And I've seen it plenty of times before to have, I know what I do on holes and what shots I'm trying to hit. Also, the wind that we have right now, we're not going to see until Sunday. So sometimes not going out for practice front can be beneficial when you have that past knowledge. This is an underrated part of why I think being a pro is hard. It's just like all you got to decide when you're, like, there's just so much uncertainty on a week to week basis. Like, how are you going to get your practice in with rotating weather in and out? And like, we were hitting balls in the range yesterday.

When it was blowing 40 off the left and nobody else was hitting balls because like nobody else wanted to hit it in that wind. I just, I find that stuff to be impressive how you guys deal with us. Yeah, like looking at the wind, yeah, it'd be great to get prep for Sunday. But, you know, going out to play tomorrow and if I'm stepping up on a T where, you know, the day before, it was blowing a complete opposite direction. And right now it's, it's pump. pretty good out there. All of a sudden, you're like, well, yesterday I hit it here,

but now I have to go over here and trust this. And sometimes you can put yourself in a weird situation. So yeah, it's trying to figure out, okay, what do I think is most beneficial for me? Makes a lot of sense. We kept you longer than we said we would. Really appreciate you stopping by. Best of luck this week. And yeah, thanks for coming on, man. I don't think this has ever happened before. You've never been on. So we really appreciate you coming by. Don't be a stranger. I know. We'll be around. So I appreciate it. Rick. Yeah. Thanks, man. Is it big board time? Are we ready? to get to finish it out get through the remainder here uh thank you to mr fowler for coming by

i believe we have 20 players left on the beluga's big board uh where did where was ricky on the big board well i was not you guys were to team me up i mean uh he was in 60 oh my thought i thought about that no 56 uh listen as i said i would have said to him decent form two straight top 20s but not great results here at Pebble. The last couple of years, T-47, T-53. We bring them back in to make that awkward, actually. I wish I would have done that. I mean, I'd tell them. Like, that's just what the models are supposed. That's what they're telling us. You're merely a vessel for the models. All right. So we got through Akshay, lefties, we know.

Horses for courses out here. Number 19, Sam Burns, kind of the forgotten man. It feels like a little bit. They don't call him Poana Burns. I know. Bermuda Burns. So obviously a lot, Sam's got a lot of talent, but I think 19, he's got a lot of pedigree, but I don't feel like he's, you know, going to scare anybody this week.

Question for you on this page. Are you afraid to spell Bataia? Are you afraid to try to spell? No, there's some guys for me that are just one-name guys. I love that. You know, like I just,

it's from the twisted mind of the czar. You just kind of, it's as I'm going through the list. Because the way I did this, I had the field list alphabetically, and then I'm kind of putting them in, so I'm to make sure I didn't miss anybody. I'm, you know,

instead of redoing it. It's a compliment. complicated process, guys. I've got to be honest with you. We got a lot of variables. So, number 18, Benny Booms, Ben Griffin. I could regret not putting Benny Booms higher. It feels like a, I don't know, it's a little, yeah, Bomb and Gowage doesn't fit great out here.

Is he a bombing gougar? I mean, he looks like he gets hit with an airbag every time he has driver. He's some good driver. I don't think he's bomb and galsh. Shet impact. Guys are using the ground. I have Ludwig at 17. I'm concerned about Lodz.

in big tc not great strokes gain numbers uh just seems like he's concerned about him i haven't 17 like he's because i think he's a predator i mean or so hot listen he came he was second two years ago in the uh data golf like course fit he's like blaring red lights like strokes gained off the charts here but i i would say i'm dropping him into into 17 where he should be like one of the favorites based on the fit how do you feel about that uh we'll see how the immune system is he's got a bounce back. Yeah, well, and he got sick a couple weeks ago, too. He got, I don't know if it was food poisoning or what, but he was, he was, he was,

he was up against the, he was up against the, emceed, uh, pretty hard at, at farmers coming off the poor health from the week before. So it is, is it a, is it a short term health thing and we're back, uh, or at, at, yeah, so I'm hedging a little bit. Yeah. I think that's a fair spot for, for Ludwig. That's hot. That's a, that's investing.

You're making a call there. I'm, I'm, I'm saying, I mean, I don't feel like that's like, that's, I wouldn't know, breaking news, though. No, I think that's maybe too high as what's all the year. Yeah, I know. But I feel like that's, I feel good about it. I like it. I feel good about it too. 16. Lucas Glover would love to

would love to see a top one. I won't do. I love the veteran here. He's played well here. I'll tell you a lot about his recent form. Last year he played, I think he was top 20 here last year. A lot of experience. So 15, I've got Russ Henley.

See, the Baluga's got a chance to impact that one. Don't get him. I'm not going to say a word to him. He's playing with him tomorrow, but I feel like Russ is just such a true professional. If this isn't a course fit for Russ, I don't know what it is. No, but it's like any course, like hard courses. He's like top 10, top 20, Bay Hill, and then it's like at Amex.

It's like just a pro. He's like T10 at Amex. It's like Birdie Fest, I can do that. I mean, that guy is just all around course fit. Don't count them out. Bad news on that front. I did see him hitting balls in the range yesterday morning. Left went, did something else and came back to the range.

kind of in a searching fashion when the weather was... What if he was hitting it's so good that he was trying to groove something? As someone who has been prone to return to ranges when it's... I almost never do it when it's going great. All right, I've got Shane Lowry at 14. I want to acknowledge he's a proven mutter.

He was T2 here last year. Stunted on me. Almost one in what, Dubai? Yeah, but then he was getting all tweaked out of the TGL stuff. So I don't know if his heads in the right spot. I like him at 14. I got Mav. Third at the Dubai Invitational.

Tide for third in Dubai Invitational, which was the, that's not the good one. It's kind of like the Razolkamai. It's a tournament. It's a mini, mini BDE. I got Mavit at 13. Seems like a happy place for him. Solid week last week. I mean, he's like you guys were just talking to him.

Like he seems like his game has reached a new level and new level, new devil. So we got a new level, new devil. That's right. So, and yeah, we're on the squad this week. So I wanted to put him higher, but I thought that it would have just been, you know, pandering. So I actually overrule manual override on the models. I dropped him down. Yeah, yeah, I dropped him down into 13th spot.

And what are we going to do this week? What are we not going to do while his balls in the end? We're not going to early call. We're not going to do that, which I'm, I've got a much better handle on that. We're just not going to say a word. So don't get mad at me if I don't say anything to you. What that Neil guy didn't talk the whole world? Yeah, that guy just didn't say anything.

Number 12, Tommy Fleetwood, season kickoff. Not a ton of experience. I think last year was the first time he played here, TC. So, really good Iron player. It should be a fit. Yeah. Are you ready to predict how many, you know, PGA Tour wins? Are we going to get an actual full field event win this year?

Or are we going to last two years, T22, T31 here? Okay. So we're doing that. We're going to diminish his tour championship victory. No, I'm just asking. I mean, we can only play who's in front of you, I guess, but, you know, there are 30 guys. You have to admit there are 30 guys in the field. Yeah, I mean, 29 other guys, 30 guys, including him.

This is a limited field event. What I'm asking is, do you think he's going to win twice this year once? I think he wins at least once in one of the, and that's a major. And then if he wins a regular PGA tour event. But you're also not allowed to pick him for any major. That's interesting. That's interesting. I think I did pick him for a major.

Yeah, we didn't let you do that. It doesn't count. All right, I got a breaking news here. I got Sam Stevens. Heard Ben talking yesterday, said he ran into Sam Stevens his dad a while back in Kansas. But they played a mid-am qualifier. Yeah, said Sam's flushing it, so we're taking that.

I think Sam's always flushing. He's been playing well, too. I see his name on the leaderboard all the time. So, you know, not a big name here, but a guy that's been playing good golf. Number 10. We've got a lot of a lot of listeners in Wichita.

That right? A lot of guys in the DM. Shout out to everybody in Wichita watching right now. Sure. Hand up. Raise up in Wichita. Okay. The Shockers?

Wichita. The shockers. Number 10. Fedora 5 alert. I need like some double jeopardy music. We've got Pearson Cootie here at number 10. Number nine, I've got Victor Hovlin. Wait, we're just going.

Pearson Cootie 10. All right. Yeah. I think good golf. I've pumped in the Fodora 5 into my rankings. He's great. The Fodora 5. I scraped it. You're right.

Victor Hovel at 9. Explain that. Sneaky solid last month. He's playing really good golf. Now, do I think, are we bringing through? You bury that with what we've seen out of him so far this week? I saw him practicing in the rain. I think he's preparing.

He's prepared, right? He wasn't practicing late in the rain. He was practicing in the middle of the afternoon, but he's not scared. That shows me that he's a mutter. He's not scared of the elements. Was the last guy on the range last night? No, that was Aaron Ryan. Oh, I'm sorry.

The calculator. He did. I can report hit us with a here comes trouble as we walk by, which I think that caught the balloon. good. He was walking off one green of spy glass. We were walking out. Oh, here comes trouble. And then I said at D.G he's probably after I said, fuck those guys.

It's very funny to me. I mean, you know, I love rooting for Vic. I don't think he's going to win this week, but I'd like seeing him stack up some good finishes. I take back my question. I thought it was, I misread the message last night. I thought he was also the last guy on the range after having the midday session. So I

No, you asked me on video. Like, is that going to factor in? I think that, him being the only guy practicing in the rain, I think is a good thing. What I don't like is a guy staying late into the darkness. That's to me a red flag. Okay. Here's the great man, Justin Rose,

Pebble thoroughbred. Only concern is maybe he might have just engorged on victory. He might not be hungry, guys. I mean, he's just like, he's got that trophy spot open. He's chilling. He's always hungry. If he wasn't hungry, he wouldn't be out here.

Sure. You know, I hope that trophy doesn't go to his head. of my only concerned. We got him in the top 10. You can't count Team Rose out here at Pebble. He's never count Team Rose out. He really can't count them out anyway. T.C., you're going to love number seven.

I've got Taylor Pendryth. This guy, T7 last year, T9, the year before, he just plays well here. Now he bombs it. I know he's a ball speed imposter. He's one of those guys where you're like, oh, Trevor Pendress, I'm not worried about him.

And then he's just like, I think two years in a row, he has just been Doug Doug Gim adjacent. Or no, Shane Lowry. Like just kind of. I can see a non-competitive. of top seven from him. So you got to respect, you know, you just got to be aware Taylor Pendrance.

Going back to, he's a Pendress. Justin Rose, too. He's playing with the great man George Roberts. I know you're a big KKR guy. Sure. Yeah. George Roberts got to be really old. For the record, T9 last year for Taylor Pendroth did not play in 2024,

T7 in 2003, 23, but performing 1.25 strokes above expectation at Peeble Beach. So I was sorry, I had T7, T9 in the past three years. So that you're correct. He didn't play two years ago. I'm blown away. The guys that I think they're left for the top five, there's a complete. We've got number six.

Chris Godder. Fodora five. I've got Goddard up at six. I don't think he's going back to back. Anybody fight me on that? No, six is great. I got to fight you, but I just wouldn't say that out loud because he might.

I wouldn't fight him either. Sure. Jason Day, always a horse for the course here at Pebble. I've been a little disappointed. I feel like I picked Jason Day. I thought he was going to maybe pull it out at Tori. I think five is a really good spot for him.

You could have talked me to flipping Justin Rose and Jason Day. He's up there in my sneaky playing some nice. He had T-38, I think at Farmers, but T-2 at the Amex, but like just kind of sneaky still still around. He's got some good. Late career, good golf. Per my calculations, we have Rory still on the board. J.J. Spawn.

No. We declared there will not be a respawn. Is Adam Shank on the board? No, he was like way down. Never mind, man. Yeah, keep up, man. Number four, Rory McElroy. One last year, it's kind of season debut. Sometimes I'm on the PJ tour, excuse me.

Sometimes it's like this would burn me. But sometimes it's like I could see Roy just being on autopilot a little bit this week. But that autopilot's usually a top 10 or a top five. So I think four is a really good spot. I don't think he's coming out like hungry to defend his title like does that motivate him? I don't know. Cody and I were talking about it.

I mean, very open in quotes about like yeah, majors I get up for it. It's harder at this phase of my career to get up for non-majors essentially, right? Yes. Paraphrasing what he's saying and it's like, yeah, this is a different style. This firmly falls into that other category, right?

And so I don't know what we're going to get. He's mentioned he's knocking. On the flip side, he decimated this event last year. That's right. He said he was kind of knocking some rust off over in Dubai. he has switched from the cavity backs back into the blades after playing the cavity backs for a little while. He was hot coming in last year, a couple of top fives on the DP World Tour. He was T3 in the week field at Dubai Invitational T33 at the hero Dubai.

So not coming in at the absolute top of his form. And I feel like with Rory, I don't know what I've been back to stuff. But I feel like he gets on runs and it's almost like a guarantee he's going to play great. And it doesn't feel like a guarantee that he's going to have a great week this week. but he's also like sleepwalk to T5. Like it's also at minimum one of the three best players in the world and could easily top five. Sure. So I think he's properly respected on the Beluga's big board.

Number three, I have Jake Knapp. You know, there's a little seam in the curtains right here. I've been watching Jake Knapp hit, hit balls for the last. I mean, I love the guy swing. So fun. T-11, fifth, T-8. He's in form. He plays a West Coast guy.

He plays well out here. Last year, I think he was, he performed well. like he was up on the leaderboard i remember like thursday friday i think he fell off i can't remember where he finished but i just i got a feeling you got a bit of a ben crunchaw here uh i like jake nap this week he's he's a he's a gotter up uh get get that guy on my tv you know can't get enough watching jake nap absolutely loving the same group as uh stephen fisk and your guy pat monahan from train oh great drops of jupiter yeah it seems like a comfy pairing well he's with this guy Sean Wagner.

Can I ask you a Jake Knapp question? Over the last three months worldwide, where do you think he ranks in the world in strokes game? 17th. I'm going to say going off our coincidence stuff, I'm going to say three. Neil, he is third in the world. And people say that the Baluga's Big Board isn't proprietary. We got our shit together this year. I've fallen in last year for two rounds with the players.

He was like he hit so many. like such a wider variety of shots than I thought. When Johnson was talking about Goddra up hitting different shots, that's Jake Nath too. Like everybody thinks he's just, oh, he's long off the tee and all that. Watching him hit wedges and he's got all of it. He's just,

I think he's still putting it all together, but it's impressive. All right, gentlemen, the final two, number two, we have Scotty Sheffler. I just need more from Scottie. I'm just kidding.

It would be no fun to pick him to win. It's a manual override. As you said, he's heavily favored. here. Third, you know, he's seen the course a few times. I've always said Scotty may or may not struggle when it's the first time he sees a course. I don't think that's an issue out here anymore. Favorite band. I can't pick the Beatles. I know. I know. So, but I think, too, we're respecting. We're respecting Scotia, too. Number one, is this. I stretch this out. Don't tell us right away who it is. I

don't know. I cannot, cannot. I've not been able to process this live who is still left on the board, but who is left after Scottie? Can you be a hit? it was going to win. I think I know. Fedora 5 member. He is a Fodora 5 member. Not a good putter. Playing really good golf right now. He's been sniffing around. Could have won last week.

Could have won the week before? No. Burned through a deckie. He was won what could potentially be a lot of guys. Be a major. Seawoo. Could potentially be a major champion. See him.

Him is my pick to win this week. Fedora 5, T10, T-14 here the last two years. So he has some success at Pebble. He's obviously in form. That is my pick to win. I know it's maybe not the most exciting pick, but that's what the model's spitting back at me.

And I got to trust it. I love it. You feel, is that fun to root four for you? I feel like hitching my way. Every time I've ever hitched my wagon, it's a fun roller coach. I think it is fun for me to root for me.

Because I'm sure I'm going to be getting chirped about it all week. So yeah, I'm riding with Siwu. The whistle go, Woo! So hopefully we're celebrating that on Sunday. I love it. This is a great iteration of the board. There's a lot of,

you put me in a blender on some. It's got a lot of logic on stuff. Over three years, it's self-learning stuff from other people. My only concern is like it might be kind of like too good. It's not quite as. No, there's bad stuff. No, there's a lot of bad stuff.

There's a lot of bad stuff. What's been your best board? Has it gotten better every year? I think last year's better than the first year. Yeah. I mean, definitely better. Definitely better than the random number generator.

Yeah, it was definitely better than if somebody randomly. generated results. So that's good. DJ, who's your pick to win this week? It's not fun. Definitely, Scottie version. Definitely Scotty would be my pick to win.

But if we're not talking Scotty, I just talked a big game on Jake Knapp. I like Jake Knapp. But see, with the big board, it doesn't matter. It's not just that Siwu wins. Like, we're trying to win play show when, you know, we're trying to go one to 80.

What if you did? What if you nailed it? How sick would that be? Just like a Rubik's cue. I'm going math. I'm going math. Wow. Wow. Just positive team environment?

Yeah, I don't know. I just think Mavs, he's been playing good golf. He's been nicked up a little bit. Are you going to get involved on Friday? Is that what you're saying? No, I'm trying not to get involved. That's the key. But yeah, I don't know.

I think Mavs got a couple wins in him this year. Interesting. I'm going to go Team Rose. Wow. Back to the well. I don't want to forget. He just blew the field away at Farmers. Like, I think he's obviously won this event before.

He didn't play last week. It's not like he's any less hot. I just don't want to forget about Team Rose. I honestly think he could have back-to-back win. Back-to-back starts for him could definitely be wins here. Would love it. I feel a little. Any of those scenarios sounds like a delight.

It's going to be a delightful week at the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Wing. Famous last words, of course, but I feel just slightly off about Scotty on this golf course and set up for whatever reason. It just feels a little, a little bit of mud. Is Scotty a muddre? Like if it gets windy and rainy on. Doesn't like mud balls. If the forecast holds.

So it looks like good days on. Thursday and Friday. So it's going to be leading by five. Five, six, seven. Yeah. But it looks like if the forecast holds the wind in the afternoon on Sunday looks like Gus up to 32 miles an hour. Which, not to run counter, but that's where I'm like, oh, who controls their golf ball

the best of anybody? Yeah, there's no condition. You can draw up. You know what I mean? It's like, well, oh, so everybody's going to miss screens. Who's the best chipper? Okay. You know, who's going to be able to control their driver the best and shape it the best and hold

it. It's like, yeah, make it as hard as possible. I guess it's more variable. This is your point, too. Yeah, but I'm saying like somebody could go out, could have one of those days where somebody goes and shoots an early-ish-66 and beat some of the conditions and then everyone gets a bit just like, of all golf courses,

when the conditions get ramped up, like Pebble has the widest range of how it's plays. Yeah, on tour, maybe. I don't know if that, off the top of my head as I'm thinking, like, I mean, Akshay was out there on seven yesterday,

hitting, I flopped many drivers off the T on seven. We had some shots on 17. I was as 149. I hit like full seven iron the last one I hit and it came up barely 15 yards short of the pin probably. Yeah.

I mean, the just conditions get extremely, extremely real very quickly out here. So it's like anything could happen this week. I'm really, really excited. It's going to be a great combination. So what's a good number for you out there?

What are you looking? You try to. We're now, it's a great question, but we're not worried about the number. Okay. Because this is a team game. And listen,

I think Mavs is going to make plenty of pars and birdies. My goal is to play aggressive and try to make as many burdies as possible. It doesn't mean we're going to play reckless, but we're going to hit a lot of drivers, and we're going to do all we can to try to make birdies. What do you play from? What's the, what's the yardage? I don't remember. I think it's somewhere around 64.

Probably 6,400. Probably a little. It was, I remember being somewhat long on spyglass. You know, it's not like you're, it's not like you're playing the forward T's exactly, but it shouldn't, it's, the par five should be quite reachable. A couple of those holes where it's, it's harder from the up tee than it is the back T, of course. That's a T. That's a T. That's a T. It's a T. special, but, like, I don't know what we're going to do on six. That's how TBC Sawgrass is.

I just don't know if I ever played a course that way. That just speaks to how I drive the ball. Outside of the par three. I've seen you, I've heard you say that 50 times. I'm like, dude, I just, I disagree. And that's fine. And that's fine. I feel like I, if I can't hit driver on a lot of holes from the, from the midtees at

sawgrass, but I can hit my driver from almost all of them. And I'm more accurate with my driver than I am. Totally. I understand why it is 100% true. And I don't have to worry about going through the dog like either. Six could be a potential. from the uptees, you know, it hits the hill, it hits the hill situation.

Can we get it? I felt bad. I felt bad about doing it, but I did blow it left there in 2023 when I played this. Try to hit it up on the hill. It didn't work out great. I probably won't try that again. But speaking of which,

there is a new tea on the sixth hole this year. They put a new tea back basically on the 14th hole. I saw the Friday egg video on this, said it's now a 220-yard uphill walk from the fifth green to get to the back tea. Governing bodies, you're doing a great job. It does seem like it does make sense. Like, you know, it kind of is going to dictate more drivers out of guys' hands.

It's going to kind of eliminate that hit-it-left option for these guys. But it makes sense, but it also doesn't make sense. Well, it makes sense. It's a good result. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think they need to move 60 to where 5 green currently is. You got to hit it across the Cove. Sign me up.

A lot of sense, I think. Famously, put in the old number 5. Yeah. Change that fifth green. Yeah. That's what causes a lot of problems is the old fifth green, fifth hole used to go inland

and then you could walk right there onto the 16th, but now when they rerouted the fifth hole Jack Nicholas rerouting ahead of the 2000 US Open, it now forces a really awkward walkback that like something's got to get dealt with at some point. Ball technology,

club technology or that routing. Like that's just... Charles Schwab's in the field this week. Perhaps you can talk to him about it. But yeah, something about it's just a band-a- domain. Hey man, it would just be a better routing if we could knock your house down. Do you understand what I'm saying?

You could give him the land back where five is right now, though, because he's the one who donated that land. That is interesting. But it's a lot of band-aided, you know, band-aids on top of band-aids on top of band-aids to try to address the distance issue. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the week. It's going to be great. We're going to also be live. After we complete play tomorrow, we're going to go live. We'll be at the AT&T house tomorrow afternoon. We're going to have this stream up that you can watch, watch the golf on one screen and have your computer open or your phone open and we're going to do a little watch along talk a little bit about the golf as it's going on we'll have maybe a couple of guests rolling through as well

we'll recap our day out on the course as well and we're just going to do just give me some guys naming dudes hanging out second screen boys yeah tomorrow it's going to be fun that's exactly what tomorrow's anything else that we miss cody here comes our wonderful producer cody mcbride here might lend in the microphone uh what a day First of all, congratulations. First of all, let me just say, wow. Everybody getting through the show. We ran into some technical difficulties.

Which is going to happen. But, you know, we learned. We battled on the fly. We've identified what the issue is. And we're just kind of missing some computing power. And my laptop, the actual keyboard, is so hot right now. I actually can't rest my hands on it to type anything out. Probably a bad sign.

We'll fix this. We're going to. CPU. very much so so i appreciate everybody sticking with us we've had good numbers the entire way excited for tomorrow and we will fix this jean we're going to work the problem don't worry about it but we're dealing with weather too obviously you know curveball is left and right i wanted to be outside that's why we come there's jordan georg we got a good setup in here big thank you to mad bignali uh andrew novac johnson wagner ricky fowler for coming by uh today's show big big shout out to

our friends again at AT&T for hosting us all week and putting on this excellent, excellent golf tournament that I'm extremely excited to play in and also very excited to watch this upcoming. And big, big shout at the Cody, Matt, Drew. Appreciate you guys to helping us tech check and Ben, Ben Hamine as well. Killetrav. Yeah. What? Sure.

Well, he didn't. He's out here. He is here. He didn't do anything. No, certainly. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, everyone for watching.

We'll see you back here tomorrow. Cheers.