No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1124: The Cognizant Collapse, a Lowry Deep-ish Dive, and Predicting Rolapp's Vision

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Soly, Neil and Tron react to Nico Echavarria’s win at the Cognizant and the unfortunate late collapse by Shane Lowry. We look at the up and down history of the event and then enjoy a medium dive on Lowry’s career to this point and how it compares to others of his generation.  We also check the leaderboards at the Cognizant and the DP World Tour, react to Eamon Lynch’s article on Brian Rolapp and rumored plans for the future PGA Tour scheduling model,  Timestamps 00:00 - Intro & Cognizant Recap 28:15 - Lowry career deep-ish dive 43:00 - down the leaderboard, other tournaments 1:05:30 - Eamon Lynch column on Rolapp and schedule 1:21:00 - news and notes Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://nolayingup.com/esf⁠ Support our Sponsors: Titleist SoFi Gruns If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sali here back in T.C.'s Lair, joined by the Lehman brothers themselves.

Mr. Neil Schuster with me. Hello, Neil. How are you? Good being with you. Full collapse on the rules of golf the other day. But we'll get there. We're going to start there. I think we got to start there.

T.C. is here as well. Hello, T.C. Absolutely loving life after that finish this evening. A great, great term. We got to collapse. There was a club. We got to get in front of something, though, Neil. We did a rules, infamous rules, scandals,

controversies, podcast earlier this week. And my goodness, do we get some emails about us butchering the yellow versus red hazard line rules? And I just wondered if you have anything to say about it. I can't believe you let me talk about it. So ashamed. Now, I will say this. 10 times out of 10 yellow hazard i'm using the drop zone yellow penalty area excuse me i'm using the drop area so yeah for sure i'm always using the drop area it feels like a safe haven i mean that's just

that's just what we're doing but you can go back on the line you know in line with the flag stick you can do that sallie we had that i don't know how i let you talk me out of a rules situation but i apologize you know what more more of a reason we're going to do a rules pod later this year i'm going to make that happen you just set it up you just set up the the reason for the rule It's a nesting doll. And I've always said I'm, I'm quick to call in for a second opinion. You know, I don't want to be like, oh, I don't know the rules. But listen, we're, we're, uh, you're just, you're scruffing up against there.

He's got his green guy's got his gray. He's got a little foggy out, man. It's rubbing up against your beard. We can, we can hear that. Biked over. It was foggy. Uh, it's great to have you down here. We got a lot to talk about Nico Etchevaria wins the cog.

Casey Jarvis wins the South African Open. Alistor Dockety wins the one nine nine visa Argentina open. Daniel Hillier wins a New Zealand. No, 119. Okay. So, sorry. 119. Oh, okay.

It didn't say 119th, though, on the leaderboard. I don't think they do T.H. Okay. Spanish. 1-1-19. See, we all make mistakes, solid. You know, red penalty area, 1-199. I can't throw you under the bus.

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13. That got him all but in 19 under par. It had a really, really, really good shot into the difficult 15th club twirled it and made par. Honestly, kind of looked like night-night. His win probability was over 96% when he got to the 16th T, three holes remaining, hit three iron off the 16T horrifically one of the worst shots i've ever seen from a professional in the lead like just thinking uh he hit a kind of a skinny top off the 60 earlier on i watched that one live he had like a kind of a healy one that it was not good uh and i was sitting here with tc when he did that on 16 it was like oh my god i mean it wasn't even close man i thought and i thought we were going to have a where did the cross scandal i thought so too but they showed finally showed the overhead replay

it took a while to show it i feel like they were trying to check it bones was on it when bones is there he's going to tell you what he saw was on it but it felt like we were witnessing a cover up in real time it did a little bit honestly uh but kisner was like no he's a class act he's going to do the right thing here well i saw what i saw what i saw drop though just for the record clean drop when i said because we don't i don't know for the authority all that well i'm saying as far as i know it's a clean drop from what i saw and it's an NBC week so we don't get any tracers we don't get like they We were saving some money this week. He did.

When he dumped it in the water, he went to the drop zone, called in a rules official to see if he could drop and then lift clean and place it. And TC's boy, Orlando Pope, let us know that that is above board. He lived clean in place after a drop is one of the most in the drop. Reprehensible things. That's that. That's a lot. That's what I'm saying. The rules they compound, man.

It's complicated. All right. Sorry. I got a mean cough that's going to be hard to edit around tonight. So do my children. Yeah, a lot of that going around. So he makes double and six, made a great double on 16, if I may say. And then steps up to 17.

And I mean, his ball was closer to going out of bounds than it was going in the water on 17. And we saw the other. Jimmy Stanger. Jimmy Stanger. Jimmy Stanger. He went across. Well, we hadn't seen a Jimmy Stanger shot in like an hour. He's like, let's go to 17.

I thought Jimmy Stanger stopped playing like professional golf three years. He wasn't in the hunt. So you know it's it could be a tough scene. And it cleared. Yeah. there's this guy over it's over to some guy's backyard and you know shout to mr hoteling and they were saying like we don't know if that's ob or like even if it isn't ob you can't get there it confirmed it was obi he made triple uh it it was but like these are the dudes that are playing the best they're

playing sunday afternoon golf on the pGA tour hitting some of the worst shots you've ever seen meanwhile nico etchevorea he was boge free the entire weekend all of a sudden he's got an opening as he stands in on 17T and he hits an awesome maybe a little right of his target fade seven iron that stopped 10 feet five inches right of the hole a big ball shot but now he's putting he later would say as caddy said like no we're putting from the best possible spot on this green and that thing never left the center of the hole he makes it Lowry standing back on the tee and all of a sudden he's I mean that's when he just fan one right in the middle of the pond it wasn't even close Nico went a win by two Shane Lauer had a three shot lead on 16 and law

lost the tournament by two. Just an absolutely stunning sequence of events. So just to back up, though, Etchevira's shot into 17, like, that was a miss. Like, now, Smiley had a good line or some good intel. He was like, Taylor Moore went back to his caddy after he teed off first. He had the honor and said, watch this. Nico's going to fade one in here and try to make birdie. And it's exactly what he did, but you could tell by his reaction afterwards, he was too much fade. Let's put it that way. But then he stepped right up and he didn't waste any time sinking that put.

No, right up the middle. Played the 18th conservatively but made par. Lowry needed a hole up bunker shot from the Greensetup. Gave it a great run. Missed the, missed the birdie as well to fall back into a T2 and cost himself some money as well. But third career victory for Nico Etchevaria, but Lowry is the story, man.

I will say we, Lowry did do media afterwards. We have a bit of the clip. Big props. Yeah. Yeah, and a good interview too. This was well done. We have a 40-ish second clip.

We'll play some of that here. Forget it? Yeah, you have no choice, too. Like, I have a teetop next Thursday in Bay Hill, and I have no choice but to move on. The hardest thing about today is I've never worn in front of my four-year-old, and she was there waiting for me, and yeah, it's, that's what I only wanted it for her today.

I didn't want it for her. I don't care about anything else. Like, I wanted it so bad. just to see her little ginger head running out in the 18 green would have been the most special thing in the world but thought I had I thought I thought I was going to win I mean I didn't get ahead of myself but like I felt so comfortable out there and then yeah tried to hit try to get a lot out my three are now and now 16 yeah and did the only thing I couldn't really do that part last part was well said of like dude you didn't need to hit an amazing t-shot off 16 you if you just

if you make a five on 16 all you got to do is hit and dry land on 17, you're still probably going to win this thing. But it's got to feel this. The worst feeling in golf, you have iron your hand on a tee, or you're trying to lay up, basically, and you just hit an awful. You could hit a bad shot, and it's still not going to the water. All you do is not, like, hit the dumbest possible shot.

It's like he wasn't trying to be aggressive. He's saying, I was trying to get too much out of a three iron, bad swing. I mean, just so devastating. The spinny right ball, like, that's the most helpless feeling in the world, too, where you feel it's sliding across the face. and you know it's open and then and then once he got it back so he drops it gets it back and play

and then he you know pulls one into the green there at 16 you can say overcompensating though so so so bummed he doesn't have to go play think about this though uh atcheveria now has as many pGA tour wins as Shane Lowry to play on different tours for the most part but the tier system for sure but you know when you look at when you look at the data golf stuff or pGA tour like career page that's see well we'll get there because we're going to do a i'm not going to call it a deep dive but i prepared a medium rare dive well i was thinking i had to go back and change it right before we went on here because i was like oh after this win after he's no he didn't win he didn't

win back up back up that's being the agenda every single sunday night but it uh jared lee asked this on twitter he said is the biggest bottle job of the last five years i'm having trouble thinking of any worse than this win from a win probability perspective i am too i'm sure it's not i mean this is still a little raw for us i'm sure it's not the worst one but it feels like it in this current moment it's almost what rory did at the masters except yes one last year you know what i mean like also yeah but team rose played his butt off down the stretch and like nobody was coming to get i would say etchevaria played really well down this i mean no bogies makes a six 66 big ass birdie on 17 you know just in the jaws of the bear trap um but the first time

Shane Lowry's gone double double on tour that's insane has tour course in 2015 was one under on his last eight holes like I don't think that's like going and getting it you know played nice he played he played really well he played nice I'm just I think knowing because you could see with the telecast he kind of knew what was happening on 16 to then step up knowing it's like oh man i got a shot here and to do that on 17 is pretty impressive the crazy part is Shane Shane played his shame played the last nine and in even par with double double that was the first time he's ever made two doubles in his pgat tour career too in a row i would say watching must for credit neil schuster yeah must double double animal style uh i would say etchevaria

looked really smooth and really confident of i watched a lot of golf friday saturday sunday I really like the way, like, he swings it. Obviously, above average putter. He said afterwards, he told his wife and his financial guy, they closed, well documented. We learned he did close on a house this weekend, D.C. Which I guess he's leaving Jacks, bummed to hear that. But he said he was going to win this week. So, I mean, he is a dude.

He's like a miscut guy. And then all of a sudden is in contention. That's going to feed that feeds families very well in the PGA tour. But third win. What does this get him up to? Oh, WGR. Our Nossifuratu guys been hacked, T.C. We can't get these.

Oh, yeah, he's been, he got absolutely. I don't think he's got his account back. So I don't have the live projections. I think they already updated it. Oh, no, they didn't. Okay, never mind. He's in the masters. We know that. There's a lot of masters.

He was 58th. He was 59th coming into the week. Okay. So you get him up in the top. At least top five. Top, yeah, at least top 40 top 30 probably. It was, you know, Shane, not like my favorite golfer. It feels like he's always been like, man, that guy looks like he's a ton of fun to have a, you know,

a pint with. But then he's kind of, he's all smiles on 15T when the camera's around. And then he's shoeing the camera off on 16 when things are going poorly. Like you said, big time shout out to him for doing media. And I thought that was a really, really good interview that he did. So I think he stepped up there. But, you know, do you want me to go? You want me to do the medium rare dive?

Yeah, in a second. I think I'm still team Shane. I feel like the tide has turned on him. I find myself rooting for him. I find him likable. He does a few things. He just, but I honestly,

I don't know Shane very well, but I feel like he could be like, eh, you're acting like a little bitch. And he'd be like, yeah, you're right. I am.

I'll be better tomorrow. I think, I think he would take it. I feel like for the first time he's actually gotten better tomorrow. Yeah. Instead of like, like,

I think a year ago, he would have been, he would have said, fuck this place. Yeah, you know. So I, I felt,

I was, I hate to say the word excited, but when he hit in the water on 16, I was like, hell yeah, we got a tournament. Because a lot of times this tournament,

when it was the Honda, it usually gives you a good finish. Now they've softened the course. We've heard a lot about the overseas. The overseas though. The wind's not blowing, whatever. But when I was like,

shit, we're going to have a good finish here. And then it was almost so bad that it wasn't a good finish. Yeah. It almost like, oh, dude, stop.

Now I'm not having fun. Like, I wanted there to be a playoff. You know what I mean? So I felt bad for, coming up 18 when he's trying to hold a bunker shot it's like that's not I just love volatility like having some volatility down the stretch and big misses we rarely ever get that because the ball doesn't spin anymore yeah yeah I have to I have problem I guess I'm not

in a hurry to give uh whatever this course is called now PJ national champion whatever the course is it's the old it's it's where PG it's the previous frisco for the PGA in the Palm beaches in the Palm Beach Coggs whatever it is I have trouble crediting it for any, for really much of any of that. 17 and 15 are demanding. 16 is just nobody else in the water. Like that was, that was man,

man. Like, you got to make a decision there. And when you see those guys like launch a three wood, it has to fade, you know, try to hit that neck of the fairway into the green. That's a fun finish.

I will say the course had coming off Pebble and Riv that was rain soaked, like, watch the ball hit the green and bounce. The first couple of days, the tournament was like, oh, okay, this is kind of nice. It's still not far from my favorite golf course,

but at least the ball was releasing on the greens for the most part. I didn't, I guess the overseed didn't bother me as much this year as it did last year. It didn't seem to play as big of a factor as it did last year. Yeah, it was a turkey shoot last year. But Jake Knappshot, didn't he shoot 59? Yeah, I think he did. Yeah. I mean, track of all the 59s.

Yeah, definitely more shot value. Like, you had to put your ball. You had to golf your ball a little bit more this year. But even then, like this place shouldn't be. yielding 65s and 66es on the weekends. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to yield anything in the future. Well, yeah, I mean, is this the last, is this the last time this event happens? What's the cognizant contract?

I feel like I should know that answer, but we'll talk about some of this a little later. When we get to the Aeman Lynch column that was written this week, I did go back and look. I was like, what happened to this tournament? Like, where do we go wrong? We go back and think like 2012 to 2014 time period, this event was thriving. It was also so bad before that, too. Like when they were at the country club at Mirosol, and it was about to go belly up,

and then they kind of brought it back from the brink, and it got really good, like you said. It 2012, Rory won, Tiger was in second. I'll give you $1,000 if you can tell me, who also was in second place. You're reading my screens. I'm trying to use myself. Tom Gillis and Tiger were runner up to Rory.

No relation to Shane. But this was like a star-studded event. Like, okay, so why we're, Tiger and Rory there. I went back and looked at their schedules. Rory had played the match play two weeks prior, skipped myacova, obviously, and then played Honda,

then played Derao the next week, and then was off until the Masters. He skipped the transitions, which is now the Valspar, Bay Hill and Shell Houston. Yeah, that's it. Trevor everyone went too. Tiger played Pebble,

took a week off, played match play, took a week off, took a week off, and played Honda, Derao, week off, week off, Masters. So, like, I mean, it's obvious what's happened here.

they surrounded this event with the players and Bay Hill and two signature events prior. Like. And the seminal member pro. So tomorrow. Yeah, which Shane's playing with Ed Hurley tomorrow at like 815. At least he's not playing TGL today. So like it was a completely, when it had a completely different flow to the calendar, this made sense for a lot of guys to play.

And it's, I don't see them prioritizing it. Honda going away. But it's also, if I look at these old schedules from from this time period, I'm not like, oh, that was way better. Like, I like what currently is happening way better with the signature events that, you know, the back-to-back of Rive and Pebble, waste management's taken a huge leap in recent years. Got Bay Hill players back-to-back. Like, I'd rather do that and have Cognizant be the sacrificial lamb than try to reinvent this tournament.

That's not a great golf course. I do think there should be a great tournament this weekend. Like pre-March madness, football season obviously over. this seems like a pretty darn prime week that the tour shouldn't punt on. So whatever they end up figuring out, I would think this weekend still needs to be a feature one. I would say that Jack Nicholas, he kind of squats on two tournaments. Obviously, memorials. You have two tournaments.

You have one. But, you know, he likes to get in the booth. He's in the booth on Saturday. He's lived, I think he, I don't know, like lived in. Barber's birthday. Down there since 1967. The big charity is his hospital down there. the hospital. Yeah, and at which I'm, I'm like team charity.

You hit charity? No, I'm team like these tournaments doing stuff for the local community. I'm all about it. But until like as long as Jack's around, I feel like he's probably had a say in the background a little bit. Now, I don't think roll lap's going to care as much. You know what I mean? So I agree with you though on the week on the calendar of like this should be a prime signature event type week. But you have to have an exhale coming off the West Coast swing. It's like this build to RIV. Rive was a bit of a letdown because it was soft and it didn't just didn't play like we wanted to. And then it ramps back up with Bay Hill, which is definitely a tier below the players.

And then it's all basically just a sprint to the masters from there with guys just kind of. And you come back now with Daryl late April early May. Yeah. So. Because that was that was the thing. These guys have to have it all. I don't blame them for skipping this event. Now I, if you lock in on this tournament, that was like Shane.

Lowry versus the mules. And for me, the reason I got this morning, I just started diving into Shane Lowry's career because like, this is a big spot for him. And specifically because his, his finishes here, he's, he's like the horse for the course, T2, T11, T4, T5, second T-21, T-21, T-49. Going backwards. Going backwards. Yeah. So it's basically like, man, when is he going to win this event? It's his hometown event. You know, he's kind of adopted, adopted hometown, obviously. But he, but he's, he's, he's, They kept saying that on the broadcast. His whole family's there. And I feel like every year I turned this tournament on,

Shane Lowry's in contention. And he just can't get it done. And it's just kind of like, it's interesting to me because the field gets worse and worse and he still can't get it done. That's tough. It's very, very tough. I know,

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it's all i would never get financial advice other than you know what but yes please you want to take us take us to uh take us to where you want to go to rare medium rare lowry uh little bit of pink left in this i didn't want to go super deep all right guys how old is Shane Lowry you can't look at my screen 36. He's 38 years old. I was going to say he's old and Rory. So he's a couple years old and he made me feel better because I feel like I've always been like, man, he might be 40. You know, chain looks like weathered, I would say. Turn pro in 2009. Got his PGA tour card in 2015.

Before this win, what were his career earnings? On the PGA tour? Just, well, this is off the PGA tour website. So PGA tour. $36 million. That's like $28 million. $31 million. He's 52nd on the career money list right behind.

I love this. Cory Connors. Whoa. Which is, yeah, man, that guy's a lot of money. That's top. That's crazy. And just ahead of Hunter Mayhan. Man, kind of bawled out.

Before the money got good. I think that's impressive. Without a really long career. The money had gotten good, but not great. Not this money. You know what I mean? And I feel like Shane has has progressively gotten better. And that's what I would give him a ton of credit for.

His best seasons have been, you know, he seems like he's just kind of slowly improved, as we'll see. How many times did Mahan win? You tell me, I don't know. We'll do that in the Mayhand. Six. Okay. Okay.

Before today's winning, three PGA tour wins. Do you guys remember those? Firestone. Firestone. That's 2015, his first year with his card. He won by 11, two, or sorry, 11 under, excuse me. Two stroke win over who?

What year? 15 2015. Jeff Overton? No. Cuban. Bubble Watson. And the great man, Justin Rose and third was four back. I thought, I mean, I was trying to think where else.

Another just, God. He won the open championship and he won Zurich. Those were his three wins. Those are three wins. So 2019. So 2019, he won the open. Six shot win. Who was in second?

Tommy. And who was in third? Not J.B. Holmes. He shot like 87 to final round. Kepka was playing with J.B. Holmes. Was it Brooks? That was big tone. Oh, okay.

Big tone. Really? Third in the open, 2019 open. And then 2024 Zurich team event with Rory, obviously, one of the playoff. Four international wins, 22 BMW PGA championship, the 2019 Abu Dhabi H.SBC Championship, 2012 Portugal Masters and the 2009 Irish Open. National Open winner TC, I thought you'd respect that.

The Portugal Masters is pretty much a national open. I feel like he's been able to stay relevant over the last since, pretty much since the Open. If we're being honest, because he's kind of chunky, Irish, like he just, you know, he's kind of a brand name of golf, right? He's very lovable. He's very lovable. He's called him weathered earlier.

Weathered, looks like he's fun to have a pin with. I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just being honest. because three PGA tour wins. Like I just said, Etchavaria has as many wins as this guy. Like, that's crazy to me. Really, Etchavaria has more real wins.

Rider Cup. The open might count for more than more. Three appearances in the Ryder Cup. What's his Rider Cup record? He is six, four, and one. No, he's three, three and three. Okay. But he's got some big ass moments.

He's got some big ass moments. Most, most. And he carried the corpse of Rory around it at Whistling Straits. And he carried He was basically his bodyguard at Beth Page Black. Yeah. Right?

Just from a emotional support. That's friend. He did make the interesting comment afterwards. He said he said to his caddy after he fanning the water. Like, how could I handle Beth Page the way I did? And I'm freaking out like this. Like, he clearly,

the moment got to him today, but how did the moment not get to him at Beth Page? He's been, he's being too cognizant of the moment. Yeah. Well, they weren't, Bob Rottello was getting a ton of burn on today's telecast. You know, so.

So anyway, he's had a knack for staying relevant without winning much, is my point there. So he's had five second place finishes, four third place finishes, 15 top fives, 34 top tens, and he's made 157 of 207 cuts over his career. That is 75.8% cut rate over his career. So just then I got interested about cut rates. John Rom is leading at 89.2%. Again, this is all PGA tour stuff. This was from Data Golf.

Okay. Rory's at 88.4% just past Tiger. Heels mixing his samples. They're also playing a lot more no cut events. For sure. For sure. Scotty and Zander are tied at 87.7.7%. And then some other just names.

Colin Morcawa, 83.8%. Big tone, 78.8. Brooks is at 76.5. Ricky at 77.8. So I was thinking like, oh, man, maybe this guy's making a ton of cuts. I mean, nothing above average. Okay. So here's the, I,

I'll play a little game with you guys. So his data golf points, like career points list, that career points. It's awesome. But if you're interested, you should go check out Data Golf's career points list. He's 115th on the career points list. He has 361.4 career points. So for those that don't know what that is, you don't need to know, just like when you do shit, you get points. Yeah.

When you win, you get points. And it'll make sense here. So who, I'm going to play a game with you. Who basically is this person ranked higher on the data golf career points list right now? And then it's two-part question. Is this person ranked higher or lower? And who has the better career when they finish? Okay.

Got that? Shane or Big Ton? So who has more points as of right now? Question one is who has more points right now? Shane or Bigtone? God, that's no peeking. I'm not peaking. I'll say a big tone.

I think Shane, the major's got to carry a lot of points. Big tone is 109 with 380 points. What's Shane? Shane's 115 with 361 points which is interesting to me too I'm like damn I'm not giving big ton of credit thank you thank you guys is the greatest segment you've ever done I hate that I hate it I'm gonna have to audit the hell I hate it what else can we get you to say the overseas though Shane or Russ Henley I'll say I'll say Russ is above him I'll say Russ is above him Russ is above him Russ is below him

Russ is below him at 139 with 316 points. That's why the big tone thing did. I guess Russ doesn't have the DP World Tour stuff. Like, that's where he's got that in the tank. Shane or Brian Harmon? Shane. Brian Harmon. Shane.

I knew it. LBH is 141 with 314 points right behind Russ. I keep thinking these majors are going to account for more than in a system like this. they won't they're not like worth a hundred points Shane or Patrick Cantley can't lay I mean I mean can't lay is won what like 70 times I'll say can't lay Although he doesn't really any any major finishes though yeah can't lay's ranked 95th with 403 career points eight PGA tour wins and one other tour has the FedEx cup win thing all right so sorry I forgot the second part of the question so well we can go back and do it real quick

Who finishes with like whose career you're going to want at the end? Shane or big tones? Okay. What you think? So you don't think big tones going to win a major. Okay, good. That's on the record. I'll take Shane.

Okay. What about Russ? So you don't think big tone is going to win a major? Wow. I don't think it's big tons going to win a major. I don't think it's ever been my platform. It's got too many kids. You have to check the tape.

Russ. Shane or Russ? Shane. Shane. Okay. Although Russ does it. Are we talking about career or yeah. you would rather be.

Who would you rather be walking through the airport? Nobody recognizes you. Probably Russ. I think Russ's career for that reason. Tell me if I'm playing the game wrong. I'm not answering who's going to have more points. I'm just answering whose career would I rather. Who do I think is going to have a better career in my opinion?

Sorry, I'm making this confusing. It's like who right now, according to the data golf points list is like had a better career. And then who would you take the Adam Scott versus Justin Rose like who's going to have the better career when it's all said and done? Because I think for me, it's like if you don't have a major. I'm going to take Shane's career, like almost a real major. Yeah. So then the Shane Brian Harmon question is a good one. I'll say Shane.

Shane. You'd rather have Shane. You think Shane's going to have the better career. So you said Harmon is ahead of him right now. Harmon is behind him at 141. Shane's at 115. I think Shane's got some more juice in the tank. Yeah.

They're like the same age too, right? Yeah. That's, they're like kind of. Yeah. Good comps, I think. All right. What about Cantlay versus Shane? Who's, who's going to have the better career?

Shane. Shane. You think so. I think Cantley's bodies are ticking time. Because Cantley's ahead of them, like well ahead of them right now. Again, but that's where I'm like the major. Okay. We would have to win two majors to get to that. All right. Shane or Colin. So part one, who's who's ahead in the data golf points list right now? Who's had the better career so far? Shane. Colin's way behind an age. So Collins at 119. So he's four spots behind it. I want to know how much work those DP World Tour. Like are they measuring this on strength of field? Yeah, there's some, there's some. Yeah.

So, Colin has two majors, one DP world tour of win and five PGA tour wins. Yeah. I mean, Colin blows them away. It's going to win eight majors. Yeah, I'll say, Colin. You have to. This is, well, I'm underwater. I've got, I've got, you know, all sorts of, uh, you know, CDOs and everything against my position.

All right. A couple, a couple more. Uh, well, I got, I got four more. That's cool with you guys. Shane or Ricky Fowler. So first off, who's had the better career? Ricky won of players, which is probably getting him a shitload of points. How many times is Ricky won?

Six. I can tell you. If he's like, before it was co-sanctioned. So Ricky's had two other tour wins, two DP world wins, five PGA tour wins. Obviously no majors. I'll say Shane just because he's got.

Yeah, the major man. I think, Ricky's got more points, but I think Shane is. Ricky has significantly more points. He's 51st in the data. 50 first. That shocked me as well on the data golf list.

How far back is this list going? It's your whole career. No, but like in history. Yeah, good question. Because I also have a whole other section. 183. Yeah, 83. Oh, okay.

So we're not. Okay. That makes me feel better. So like Jack Nicholas isn't accounted for, but like, there's no golf records prior to 1983. Like Ray Floyd and Hell or when they're all in there. Okay. So.

Third like Greg is in there. He's in there. Oh, yeah. So Ricky, 51st with 544 points. It's really good. People should have on. And again, 361 points for Shane. So like, that's a, you know, a significant hurdle now. Moving forward. And Ricky's 37. You know, you think of pretty Ricky is a little younger than that. He's not two years younger than, or I guess one year younger than Shane. Who do you think finishes with the better career? It's like Ricky because he's got so much love. I think Ricky's going to like I think he's going to play deep into his career. I don't think he's going to win a major though. Yeah, well, yeah, but the question was who's going to finish with more data golf points.

Well, it's more. The, the game is. No, I didn't clarify that. But you just asked it differently that time. All right. So Shane's not going to finish more data golf points. It's kind of like at the end of the day, who you're going to look back and say, better career. Because it, because there is an eye test involved in better career.

I know. That's tough. Like, I would say Ricky's the better player, but like Shane's resume is going to be stronger because of the major. And Ricky's, Ricky's racking up points on top fives and majors, right? They consistently beat Shane at golf on the golf course. All right. This is one of my favorites. Shane Lowry or Lucas Glover? Shane. You think Shane's higher? Yeah. In the, on the data golf list. I do. T.C. They got to be really close. Those are like two pretty comparable careers.

God, Lucas won a major. I forgot about that. Right. He did win a major. And he won. Shane's still higher. Shane, I'm confident. What do you got, T.C.

I bet they're like within three or four of each other. Lucas Glover is 108 on the list. Shane Lowry is 115. Dang it! Lucas Glover has one other tour win, five PGA tour wins and one major. He's 46. He's got eight years ago.

So, Shane's the answer there. Okay. Shane or Billy Ho? I mean, Shane's ahead of him right now. Like, I think those are like the closest. So Shane's ahead of them on approach play and the way that they play the game. Shane's ahead of them on data golf points. I would say so, right?

What do you got? I would say so, but you're very provocative in the way you just ask that. I want to think they're leading the witness. I'm just asking the question. I would say Shane is ahead for sure. Billy Ho is one spot ahead of him. Wow. Billy Ho is 114 on the list with 365 points but the overseas so today you know maybe today bumps them up i don't know how the points will react to this uh billy ho's 39 he has eight pGA tour wins just honestly more than i thought billy ho's got eight he's got eight pGA tour wins and a fed ex cup he's got a fucking solid resume fucking hand for a couple of 2014 but he doesn't have a rider cup appearance which i think is a huge reason shane's a brand name

right like none of this takes you don't get any rider cup points for data i don't think so on the career list right yeah it's other tours count so corn fairy if you want on the corn fairy and then they have dp world wins they have pGA tour wins and they have majors yeah um that that so billy hose i'm like damn he's kind of like quietly put together a a blue collar uh career there okay last one Shane lorry or kevin nah Shane Shane but you this is a suspicious you're I know. Kevin Oz, 42. He's 103 on the data golf points list. Clean your stuff. He's got 390 points. He's got 5 PGA Tour wins, one cordon, fairy tour win. What about like Shane versus? Obviously, Shane's got a better career. Bryson's slightly higher. How does Data Golf treat live? So I can tell you, they break it out by events. They show you exactly how many points they give for every event. So when Bryson is at 102, Bryceon won Korea, he got, he got six. point three points for that when he was t2 at the pGA he got 11 points for that so it's it's and like

Shane got 28 points when he won the open championship in there so it's a good it's a good it's a good system it's it's the only thing I don't like about it is just it's really hard to complete compare players of different ages yeah yeah because of how long they've been at it well so funny you say that then I'm thinking who's a good historical comp for Lowry so again Lowry's ranked 115th this kind of has historical comp. So to your point, maybe not as good at doing this. But do you guys have any, would you propose a historical comp to Lowry? I have a list of six of them here that I'm going to say like kind of the same game, like who's had a better career so far. Who's high, I'm going to use this list as my barometer.

Okay. Yeah. Ogilvy feels. Oglvie's kind of pretty good one TC. Like one major. Yeah. So Ogilvy wasn't on my list, but he is at 99. So he's higher than Lowell. Auxle V had seven PGA tour wins and one major. I mean, honestly, like GMAC? One major? I'd have to find him.

One a few times on each tour. McDowell is 97. 9 DP tour DP World Tour wins, 3 PGA tour and one major. That's 400 points. So that's a really good one. Stenson. Stenson wasn't on my list either. Stenson one more.

Stenson's at 31. one damn yeah nine dp world take that back two other tours five pGA tour and one major that's six hundred cleaned up in like majors that didn't there's got to be somewhere like like a ian woo's number sandy lyell or something like that are you peeking are you peeking just wondering how long the segment's gonna take i'm don't me to wrap it up we don't have to do the okay thomas bjorn okay okay i like that one 16 he's right behind him 15 no pGA tour wins 15 dp world wins all right i got one for you Stu Sink. Good one. He's on my list. 35th. He's 634 career points. The guy had eight worldwide wins, seven PGA tour and one major. Stucing does not get enough credit in this world.

Does not have unfinished business. But it's like 12 years from now. Like it's two six in this 50s now. Like it might be a different, you know, I mean, Lowers got a long, you know, all right. It's hard to play that game. So, so same game is Hale Irwin, higher or lower data golf points. higher higher i mean he won what two u.s opens yeah but a couple of those were pre 83 so i don't know how they count it like i don't i don't know he's 1 30 yeah that's not that's incomplete okay so we won't go and then raymond ford was 131 he had three he only had three pGA tour wins we's but joey he put on rider cup teams yeah it he only had three tour wins post 83 uh i think another good cop is darren clark 79th on day to golf yeah he had 11 euro or d peter world

wins two PGA and one major i think that's probably your and you know who doesn't get enough credit david thomas thirt thomas won a lot he wants so much money seven worldwide 12 pGA tour events and one major like like pg a tour of it anyway sorry i dragged that on way too long please continue whose career would you rather have shame setting aside setting a i'll give tc the last guy's name of dudes here today that is guys they're 45 minutes in this thing setting aside criminality and things of that nature Anhele Carrera or Shane Lowry.

Who has more? Because they're kind of similar careers, right? Cabrera's behind him. Doesn't have his... Yeah, but I'm saying who's career would you rather have? The old's Bible is the data golf points. He doesn't give a fuck. No, I, there is a high test.

There's definitely an eye test. I mean, I'd rather have Cabrera's career for sure. Two majors. A little big boy. You get to go to the Masters' Champions dinner. yeah for sure now i don't want to go to jail you know i don't want to do bad stuff but i was wondering why you were hesitated there tc oh criminality oh no where is alleged criminality yeah anyway let's get this thing back on the rest all right i'm sorry that i listen

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Yeah. T.C. want to go down the board at all? I would love to go down the board. Are we going to get a fedora five today? We're not going to get a fedora five. You told the people there would be one. The conditions just weren't right.

Okay. I again, Mavericks. It's like the wave. We had some disappointing national opens and just people like not playing. Disappointing. Not hot. I don't know, man.

Our guy at the South African Open. He topped one. he's still kind of what he went back to back to back national open doesn't get you a look for the he's 22 but there's some concerning things there was some TIO there down the stretch it was bad it was bad I don't know he's got whiffs to the kid though at that age with that bad of a Nike shirt on that has he's club twirling down the stretch like champagne shower on the 18th green what if the delightful viewing that was good that was good that was good viewing. It was a lightning delay when he got to 18, had to sit and wait.

Then he got the top of his swings. He said, somebody laughed at the top of his swing. Must have been a really bad back swing. And he legitimately topped it. It said a 17 foot apex, but it like the people on the rope line were like jumping back as in almost got hit. That's unbecoming of the Fedora five. We can't have that. It barely landed in the fair way. Has a top one or shanked one. I think I think that should almost be like a like he went back to back despite a top so he was complaining on slack today about how it's the same guys every single week on the dphe world tour any duplexes yeah things of that nature any duplice i think it's duplice i believe but uh i could be very wrong of course uh he won a hundred thousand

dollars for setting the course record did you see that i didn't he uh that's like the leon brothers they were getting him a treasury uh it's it's wonderfully weird uh tour but it is just like Really, that guy again, unbelievable. Yeah, it's feeling a little bit like, uh, it was good to see Eddie Pepper. Wait, which, which leaderboard am I going down? We're now. I'm sorry. I, I, I, I, you know, Togway who's now from the UAE, not even not from Spain.

He's from the UAE now. Really? Yeah. Rafa Cabarbeo sighting as well. Eddie Pepperl played played quite well. So we're going down the South African. We are going down the South African. We're going to go back.

Let's go back to the cognizant. We'll go back. We'll go down that leaderboard. We're just going to bounce around. Yeah. Taylor Moore gets into the Aon 5. We had two Hoygardes in the top 10, Sally, Rasmus and Nicolai. Nicolai was T6.

He finished 66, 65 on the weekend. Rasmus 6667 on the weekend. Ricky Castillo, I still don't know why they pronounce, why his name is pronounced that way, but it is correct. Austin Smotherman, we talked about him earlier. William Mao, the chairman. The chairman. T6 for him. Keith Mitchell gets into the Aon swing five that gets him into Bay Hill.

Brooks 65 final round, what you think? Was battling to make the cut after opening out 74. Good weekend. Shot 66 on Friday. It's a I see you player. Okay. I mean, like the bar is pretty low for him right now. I think we, when he was on his way back, I think we all voiced our concerns when we're in the DR of like,

the guy's game sucks right now. Like, you know, it's not like, you know, he's not going to waltz back in here and be dominating right away. And it's not been pretty so far. But it's a sign of life. It was mostly putting if I have it right. So it's, you know, sustainability models might be a little bit concerned with that. But good to see Brooks playing good golf. It's not fun to watch him play poor golf.

He was 15th in putting this week. But the putting's been really, really bad. And he's using a mallet now, which is just really bizarre to see Kepka with a mallet. said he hated Poa on the West Coast. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. If you get on a bad, that's a whole game for him,

he's local. Yeah, get on a bad Poa run, but just good to see. Interesting to see. Take note. Who knows what it means, but,

uh, and good to see Keith Mitchell, like, finish off of a tournament. I feel like he's turning into a, like, I always see my leaderboard on Thursdays and Fridays and then go check the scores afterwards.

It's like 20, 30s, you know. It's all those restaurants, man. I mean, what do you think? I don't know. I root I root for for it's some great yellow pants on today he didn't have the deep

placate though on this on his shirt like the one that goes all the way down to almost his waist uh saw this guy mattie schmid t9 uh jill damon he nine good to see joel playing well jill finished a shot out of uh getting the a on swing five from getting the bay yeah about max yeah max signs of life i love it yeah 66 69 67 uh uh Patton Gassier, kind of back from the, back from Oblivion. He's, he played quite well, T-13. AJ, you're Canadian guy. I don't know too, too much about him.

You know who's playing good golf as a rookie, Sully? Sudarshan, yellow Marajou. Really? Yes, he's up to 62nd in the FedEx Cup. And he's just kind of consistently showing up. So he's got a cool story. And he was one of the more interesting guys coming off Corn Ferry Tour last year. Christopher Raitan, Takumi Kinaya, Marty Doe.

All of them finish the top 20. Ryan Gerard, who is the pre-tournament favorite, finished T-23. Adrian Dumont, Dachasart, third round 65. He's starting to- What other rounds? Do you have any other rounds? 71, 71-65. I also, I want to call out, I changed it in the notes.

Solly had Joe Highsmith missing the cut. He actually made the cut. He made Birdie on 18 to make the cut, but he finished Joe the show. He was one of the ones that made the cut that moved the cut line. So I think the note in there. No, no, no. You had him like MC.

He had them in the MC. No, no, no. The note says those three guys had final closing, great rounds, great finishes on Friday that moved the cut line. We're just getting worried that. Joe He said. I'm not let you correct me again. Joe Hysmith moved the cut line. But he did finish dead last.

Notable MCs. Was that the only thing you put in the notes? No, I put the Shane Lauer stuff in there, too. Notable MCs. I think I put a lot in there. Gordon Sargent, Flades Brown. We're kind of the youth movement is on hold right now. Data Golf had a, you know, I don't think we're going to break this down too much.

Data Golf a great thing in their newsletter just kind of looking at, you know, who's who's hoovering up these vaunted data golf points. And long story short, like there's an interesting chart in it that shows how much like the 25 and under guys were hoovering up points as of like 2017. I mean, if you think of like when this was when we started taking off. kid in 2017 do you see who was the kid who's the kid um 2015 to 2017 like speed yeah it's easy answer who's the kid that's a question that's j t j t speed i mean they were just so they they were basically earning 22 and a half percent of the points in 2017 that that number is getting way back down closer to 10 percent uh now some of that is due to like these fitness regimens

and the longevity stuff of like the way that guys are taking care of their bodies and the recovery and all of that stuff? I'd have to study this just a little bit longer but I think this just has more of something to do with like it being a unique class of guys that came out that was taking over between like 2014 and 2017

that, you know, took advantage of a little gap, you know, in at the ages above them at that certain time. But then those guys are also like not necessarily speith and and JT but all those guys just like they as they get older now these younger guys have to deal with this class above them that is way stronger than what J.T. and Speath had to deal with. And it just that there's more of an irregularity that you see from those young guys in that period than it is like this current crop sucks. Like this current crop is just more in line with the previous 20 years before that great class of J.T. Speeth.

There was a spike. Yes. with that class we do have some well the young south africans but it did morcawa but like you you yeah but then they didn't sustain it right but then now they're over 25 yeah and so seems like the young guys that there are are all international too that are actually doing stuff right like yeah the there's some young south african guys he's over 25 now isn't he of course he is but like there's there's young australians young south africans young spaniards um as well as well as well as well well, I don't know. Yeah, but it's just like, is college golf overrated?

Well, it's just like the best players now, like best young players just aren't that good. Like, Hoygard twins are good and like they're young. I think Coivin's going to be really good. That's kind of the prediction they make at the end is like, Coyven's the best amateur they've seen since 2010, I think it was. That's why he's in Ford 4-5. He's one of the guys that has a chance to kind of to buck that trend. But I thought it was interesting.

Check that out the Data Golf newsletter. Data Golf, I got another shout out for their newsletter this week. too. It said, Bombers Beware, an underrated trend in professional golf is how many of the biggest events are played at courses that favor driving accuracy. Since the introduction of signature events in 2023, all of the top players on the PGA tour now play venues like Pebble Beach, Arbor Town, and TPC River Highlands. This is in addition to courses like TPC Sawgrass, Muirfield Village, and Eastlake, which have always hosted strong fields in favor accuracy over distance, although that may no longer be true at Eastlake. In 2025, the only non-major venues that hosted strong fields and favorite bombers were Torrey Pines in place of Riviera and Caves Valley, which is not a regular tour stop.

2026, however, we will see the return of Doral and Quail Hollow to the PGA Tour's signature rotation. Both setups, bombers should enjoy. Even the majors this year are more accuracy with Shinnecock, Royal Burkdale, and Aronimic. Aronimic. Aronimic plays neutral, you're expecting. But yeah. Yeah. So. But yeah, I'm kind of embarrassed. I never thought of that of like, oh, yeah, the signature veds don't go to just the, the Bombers, Paradise golf courses.

It's, it's, it's, yeah, it was a good thing they pointed out. You see, on that note, I would love to get like a BSI watch list. Ooh, I like that. Like, who's on the watch list? And I had a couple names. Top 10 most wanted. Michael Brennan. No, he's not. He's not a ball speed imposter. No, he's, he's really, really good off the T. I think it's just. Are we sure. Solly's pulling some stuff. up here yeah I mean a shot in the lab profile that's it look real good I'm I just I just I just I just want to let you know just alert to you just a

concerning amount of Bs I want a screenshot that way maybe we can throw it in the YouTube video concerning amount of actually I actually I look at that and say he's an accurate yeah really long and accurate which is really good but that we're seeing some holes in the putting in around the green I'm concerned how many how's the approach play tour average I'm concerned how much you are falling in love with BSIs across the whiffs of it T.C. Well, you guys said I was falling in love with Marco Penge. I just heard that he was a quote flashy wide boy.

Is he on the watch list? Yeah, I think Penn is probably on the watch list. What I saw it is pocket eater on the watch list. Oh, pot keeter's like he's, he's on the monkey bars. It's like Cam Champ is like the permanent like number one like the KSM. Okay, so we got Cam Champ, Taylor Pendrith, I believe he has always been a BSI. Penderettred, yeah, but Pendrith. We got to stick with guys that he loves.

And just to define it, ball speed impostors, like, guys, it can just hit it really far, but aren't good at golf. Yeah. Like, their distance specifically keeps them in it. I got a, uh, I got a DM on Instagram earlier this week from a guy. Let me pull this up. Because whenever I hear him say, yeah, that guy's a BSI. He said random question. It makes me laugh because I'm like, I, you know,

Even I'm like, what is it supposed to be? He said, he said, quote, random question, but why do you not like the ball speed imposter guys? What makes their game so much worse than everyone else? Like, I really like Cam Champ. And he's one guy. I've heard you say you don't like. I just wonder why you don't like him. Like he is someone I feel could be really good if he got better in some area of his game.

I'm like, yeah, I know. I just like he's got one really good skill. And I just don't think he's a good golfer beyond that. Like Ryan Brem again, you know. Brian Fox. I thought that's what you were going to say. he's a fox he's a shot maker fox he's accuracy is tough when he his accuracy is tough because it's all the hoy guards listen we'll get there in the few all right so pot

he's like he's on the pocket eaters only 21 or 22 like i think he could tccc needs to make a b si deck of cards yeah yeah so would pock eater be an ace of some kind it's tough to judge pot like when i don't think pot gear is fully baked yet okay that makes sense sure all right Like, Crystal Lamprecht, he's, he's in there. Yeah, sure. Okay. I'm going to move us along here. All right.

If you don't mind. I'm going to talk about some overseed, please. Sure. Oh. We just like Billy. Oh. Sure. The Billy Ho section of the pod.

What do you? What do you got? Well, A, he got into it with a fan. Yep. Which I watched live. Which was sick. Which was really sick. Uh, I can.

Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, it's all over the inner webs. But he had a, he's trying to flop one up. Was it behind 16? Yeah, it was, but it was, long left of 16. He had hit a bad shot into 15. He was cruising.

It was like five or six hundred for the tournament. And he, he tries to flop one up, but he hits it like doesn't even bounce. Hits it right in the water. And he got TIO relief and he had to drop it in the thing. And then it was kind of a bare half overseed, half Bermuda lie. And then, yeah, and then he, and he hits. So it sounds like some, you couldn't really hear on the broadcast. You can only hear what Billy was saying, but it sounds like somebody was chirping to him about the overseed.

And he was like, Like, check the transcript, man. I was talking about how great, I love this place, how great the course was. And the guy, it sounds like the fan was saying, we're talking shit about our course or whatever. It was kind of a classic, like these players hits a bad shot. It's like looking for anything to blame it on. Like, but what do you say? He says, like, must feel good about yourself.

Yeah. You must feel good saying that must make you feel good about yourself saying stuff like that, man. So then that kind of ended Billy's week because he kind of had a, he kind of had. had it like you said he had kind of had a meltout barely made the cut and then ended up and but he had this long diet like a three minute diet try about the overseen which he was on the right side of things from the right side of history yeah as far as like hey like i don't know why we're overseeing this place which but he he blamed it on the wrong people he blamed it on ownership of the golf course of pjna national which is some british um private equity firm that you know

that purchased it a year or two ago and you know he he was like they they they basically basically won it green and lush and they're they're trying to squeeze tournament you know squeeze tourist dollars out of it from everything that i've heard over the last 18 months the pGA tour does not want to throttle these guys three weeks in a row between Honda bay hill players championship and if they like players isn't that hard yeah yeah but like you know it's it's a test still right and so if they set this thing up hard they're going to scare off you know, the good players that may show up that aren't showing up anyway. I know.

It's almost like, man, you already lost that battle. And so that's the thing. It's like this place is just like the whole, the whole point of it is like carnage. And it's at this point they should lean into it. Yeah. So I think that, you know, Billy's right on that front. I started jousting with them a little bit on, well, you know, there's a, there's another course in Florida that's your home course that also overseeds like egregious way.

over overseeds. We got going back and forth on that. I don't think it's realistic to not oversee TPC in March. T.C. Chub in the waters. Come on, that wasn't serious, Billy. Come on. But, you know, it was a good back and forth.

I appreciated Billy addressing it, even though I just, I don't think that, like, this tournament's run by PGA Tour Championship Management. Like, and there's stuff in the, in the contract that they have with the course where, like, they can set it up and dictate how things go. as far as setup goes. And I don't think the Tours is like lobbying to not, you know,

to not oversee the cognizant classic, which is the frustrating part. I get to the point of the of the Tommy Lee Jones. I don't care, I don't care whose fault it is. I just, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I'm also just on like this sinking ship of a tournament. I is something that I just,

I can't muster up enough energy to, to, because there are, there's always a, there's always a reason why. I mean, you said the reason why, like not wanting to beat the guys up, you know, three weeks in a row and, and try to protect the field or whatnot. But it's, it's, I care a lot more about this issue, like two weeks from now with the players where it has a very, very, very deep effect on, on the way the golf tournament is played

from a balls approaching the green standpoint. Yeah. Like I said earlier, I did, it didn't affect my viewing as much on the early part of this week as much as I thought it would. It's a really dry year down there so far. The greens were good prior to the rainstorm Saturday. And I love the golf, the golf was good prior to it. So it just didn't bother me nearly as much.

But like they've not figured out the overseed at the players to the point where you got mud balls on when there hasn't been any rain on Thursday rounds and just balls backing up on. It sounds like they're conscientious of like, hey, we want to. I think that needs to go hand in hand with this whole like, all right, if you guys are going to do this major push. Yeah. Which is a separate thing and not a good idea in the commercials. very stupid horrible i said at cc today watch these commercials suck man uh but i do think like all right if you're going to do that then like at least set it up like a major and and you know bring the collars down and make the greens firmer and like if it looks a little bit less green let's say you drop

so be it like you know spray payment i don't care instead of instead of 7x it's all about the color of the grass like if you really get down to it it's like we just wanted to to look green on TV. You know why. You know why. Of Augusta. I know. Well, yeah, they have a hard on for Augusta. But, but also like, all right, your product is like balls running in the water and guys, guys struggling and like not knowing what's going to happen next. I know the whole commercial about balls bouncing on 17. The island green, how hard it is. And unless they put the, create this collar of rough back left. They don't get that on 17, you know, because it's like there's something to stop the balls from

running in the water. Anyway, we can get there in the next couple weeks. I just thought it was interesting. Here's what I want to say about Billy Ho. I know everyone's like, man, I wish he would stop talking. No, I'm like, no, I wanted to keep, it's refreshing. I like, it's like, I don't want to, um, discourage him. I wish more guys would speak their mind like that. Now, does he say some stuff that's like inaccurate for sure, but like, we need that. We say something to.

I appreciate him getting up in front of the mic and being like I, he went out of his way to say he really likes that course, likes the tournament, makes a point to come play it. Yeah, but I wish they didn't oversee it. I have no wish. It's his hometown event. So yeah, F that guy in the stands if he was chirping and that guy didn't listen to the whole quote. Yeah. Yeah.

What's your Norn dick? The guy had the high crowd. Yeah, he did have the high ground on him. You can't, you can't give up the high ground. We had a Will's Alatoris WD. Not good. Had a bunch of WD. It was it was not back related.

I think it was ankle. Oh, okay. That's what I heard. Oh, okay. I thought, I hope that's what I read right. But the Aon next 10 that are getting into Bay Hill, Jake Napp, NACN, Vech Vary obviously Min Wu Lee, Pearson Cuddy, Rio Hizas Sunni, Adam Scott, Aldrich Palk-Eater, Austin Smotherman, Matt McCarty and Sahathe Tagala,

and the Pineapple 5 are Nikolai Hoigard, Patrick Rogers, Taylor Moore, Andrew Putnam, and Keith Mitchell. You got to love Sahith. Pineapple 5. Parlay and that Aon next, those sponsor invites into an Aon. Andrew Putnam? That's what you got to do, man. You get an opportunity.

You got to parlay it into one of the swing. five's i looked that up andrew puttum was t two at the amex and this is the uh the pineapple five this week is the top five from the sony open amex farmers waste management and cognizant classic now if you're in the next 10 you're not going to show up in this in the pineapple five oh my god this is so confusing uh no people really care about this okay people are really upset about the closed shop neal they're very upset so people have been tracking this the amount of attention over that final pineapple five spot in the round today was palpable on tv it was unbelievable there's some of people that were super into it uh and damon missed it and then we and then we've got

yeah he needed to birdie the last we've got pineapple five yeah but is he but he's not even in the the next 10 the next 10's above the pineapple five okay so the next next 10 is the top 10 of the fed your next 10 you are in the next appard seat that's a good thing the current FedEx cup like if you're not already in the top 10 of the FedEx cup or the next 10 okay and the five is swing five is like who's the hot who's the swindor five yeah the swing swing swing the swingers five oh that's why i mean damon's up to oh i thought it was sony i was like what do you know so if you're damon do you go to porto rico this week like the porto r field's gonna get extra

but damon wanted porto didn't he i think you want it punta connor okay yeah d r what we remember we got like scott see he had off that was in punta canna and we got what spieth got a sponsor exemption into bay hill uh i thought he got in we did he get in on his own no he did get a sponsor exemption to bay hill i think you're right so cue that we can do the whole outrage thing yeah we're very upset about this i'm let's get past sorry we digress in your podcast all this has been there's no fedora five this week so we had to yeah we had a medium rare shane lowry Aiman Lynch had a great article this week on golf week talking about

Amon's really good to drop in an article that is just dripping what he knows way more than he's reporting in this. But if you for sure, just read between the lines of things, it almost always plays out exactly what he implies how it might play out. He said there was a meeting on Tuesday of the future competition committee chaired by Tiger Woods in charge with determining the future structure of the tour. It's expected that Brian Rolap will announce the panel's proposal

during the players next month, at which point speculation and rumor will yield to concrete concepts and most likely contentiousness. The process to actually implement any change will be lengthy and complicated, but the unavoidable first step involves the CEO delivering uncomfortable news

to almost all of his stakeholders. Except the top players. Yeah. He made it a point. Like he said in that column, he's like, notice who I didn't point out as stakeholders who are going to be affected by this.

The top players. Yeah. Which is how it should be. your top producers are like, yeah, we're going to, yeah, there's going to be a lot of this. I'll read a few more things from when we can talk about it, but he said it's apparent that the tour plans to anchor its business around a limited schedule of elevated events featuring its most bankable stars held whenever possible in the largest medium markets. This week's tournament lacking stars and in the 39th ranked market can be admitted as evidence

supporting that strategic change. The dilemma of rollout faces is that weeks like this are necessary first members, but dilutive to his business. He really oversees two products. one for elite stars, which commands far superior broadcast ratings, and the other for jobbing golfers. Both will survive in altered forms, but only one can be foundational in a for-profit world. That will mean tiering the tour, establishing an aspirational strata for the best and an undercard level for the rest, one that promotes high performers and relegates mediocrity,

a secondary tier of tournaments that would have to carry the PGA tour in premature and stand above the existing minor league cornfairy tour. which is yeah pretty much what exactly what we've been saying out loud exactly what we've been saying though of like there's a championship level there's a secondary pGA tour then there's the corn fairy tour and how that all works i one thing i would like them to figure out is having interchangeability between the corn fairy tour and the pga tour i don't think guys should have to decide where to make starts uh like a blades brown and some guys can't even like you can't if you're eligible for the pgia tour event that week you have to play that event. Even if you're like, no, I want to play corn fairy tour all season because that's, that's how I'm going to get back to the tour is through that point system. You can't do it.

You have to. I could be wrong on this, but I think that works for certain categories. Okay. Like more veteran, like if you're a veteran player. Fully vested or something. Yeah, you can't drop.

I don't know exactly how that works. So my business question to this is the, it feels like for the past 10, 15 years the tour's been built on until the signature so let me rephrase that until the signature event stuff came around it was kind of like all the tournaments you're asking the sponsors to pay about the same amount yeah maybe plus or minus a little bit for playoffs and you know some some type of like cachet that's not the last 10 or 15 years that's like the entire basis of tim finchum's entire yeah so it's like almost like hey everything is if you're exactly if you're john if you're john dear you're paying

just as much as Genesis. Close enough. Close enough where it's like within the same, you know, plus or minus. So now from a business model standpoint, you're going to flip, if you flip this, you're going to say Cognison's going to be like, well, if I'm sticking around like, I better get a deal here because you just made me the minor leagues basically. And so then you got to go to AT&T and say, you got to make up the gap, right? That's what's going on now with the signature events, right?

the signature event cost is two and a half times at least what the cognizant cost is. Yeah. So they're already doing it. It's already happening. Yeah. But then that might go back that might get bigger. Works and say that's the bigger concern here is like they've made they've sold the networks here. We're going to put golf like the whole thing with selling to CBS and NBC. It's like is sports programming for the right audience every single weekend. Yeah. Like everyone. And now you're basically going to go back and say like this isn't, you know, especially for NBC. Like you look at NBC's slate of signature events and big events compared to CBS's right now. CBS gets all the good events.

NBC gets the players in Bay Hill. And that's essentially it. They're getting one more this year, right? Because maybe they're getting Dural out. I forget exactly how that one shakes out. In Super Bowl years, it might play out differently as well. But that's going to be the hardest sell, I think. And it's, it's going to be really interesting how he navigates this.

because I think if you were starting from scratch, this is what the PGA tour would look like in terms of if you're making it a media product now, what we've seen, we've talked about a ton over the years, is the tour is just like a bunch of patched-together events and a really interesting, like tightly interwoven, underpinned structure underneath of it

that is hard to unwind and like make into something very clean and not have a bunch of stuff fall out the bottom. Like certain events that have been around for a long time could end up falling out the bottom if you don't juggle all of the things you need to get moved. If you need to move Pebble to August and Rive to August. And so what are you doing now in February? All this golf course didn't like that event now. And nope, this tournament organization is set up to. So many.

And then there's a lot of history and just inertia and like, well, we've always done it this way. You know, how could we can't disrespect Byron Nelson. You know, like this guy's been attached to this event forever. Same thing with Jack and in the Palm Beach. Well, we've always done. Nelson's always been a huge CJ group guy. Well, as I was going to say, they gave up on that, that part when they went to Craig Ranch. But you know what I'm trying to like, it still, it honestly still feels like they're trying to like,

like middle it on a lot of these smaller events. I'm curious your thoughts on this TC because I don't, I don't look at this and say, I don't think like the PJ tour's answer is like, well, gosh, just go to the big markets, guys. It's like, I mean, the PJ tour has been to big markets a lot. They've had events in New York. They've had events in Chicago. I think sometimes those events don't draw. That's kind of where I'm out of like, dude, I don't think the answer is just like straight up,

go to the big market places. They've done a really good job of going to places where their golf event's going to be a big deal. And if you live in Manhattan, like a PGA tour event coming to New York, there's so much shit going on. Like, you're just getting the market wrong. Like Beth Page is not, man, you know, it's, I don't mean, I'm just giving an example though of like.

I know what you're saying, but it's like those big markets, it's hard to say that to find a course, that can host a pGA tour event is going to be like just outside chicago yeah and just outside new york city we're gonna get we're gonna get a face full of liberty national yeah exactly where it's like that's not really the best setting for this it's it's it's hard well we're going to new york city it's like bet page isn't in new york city man just that's the thing there's so much going on in these big cities too that unless you make it a really big event or really quality event like i think that's where I struggle a little bit too is like I do think there's an opportunity to do more stuff in

prime time on the west coast for sure that's absolutely something but um I also think that the when it comes down to all right why like why aren't there enough courses that can they can host going back to the you know obviously there's logistics and space considerations and all that but it goes back to distance too and it goes back to you know like that's your product right and you you know it's these guys are going to beat up on certain courses or you're not setting them up right look at like at Honda you know and it's or a cognizant and it's so i think it's a fundamental misunderstanding and i think there are some people at the tour who do understand this but now they're explaining it to guys who don't come from within golf which i think a certain element of roll-apps thing

is like everything's fresh eyes and and he's coming in from the NFL but also like i wouldn't say the NFL's like they're really good of making money i wouldn't say they're like commercial tact tactful tasteful you know so i sure you know so i sure That's what I worry about a little bit too. Is like, are they going to get details, right? Or are we just going to get a lot of spectacle type stuff without much meat to it? It's a point. What really hooked me with Rolap is how much he talked about product and how much he talked about,

you know, the media deal's got to change. And now the entertainment value of this. Like, I'm hooked on that. And that's how you're going to sell Netflix, too. Yeah. Netflix is only going to sign up because they're going to have to get a Netflix or an Amazon involved in bidding because NBC's going to balk at hey you're not going to charge us more for for for less events sandwich and I less big events yeah and I think that that's what um you know like like for

instance you know the like because that that's what Netflix wants is like the event they want something to you know make that appointment TV yeah they don't want to they don't want to have eight in a row or whatever they want to have that event and I think that that's where I I look at it and I'm like, all right, like look at your own product here. Like look at TPC sawgrass. Like bring it back to like being the big brawny, bold, you know, in your face. Big slopes on the greens challenge these guys like making a fucking spectacle. Right.

Instead of just, oh, it's really green and really lush. And we're trying to just. It's so. It's so elevated. It's so elevated. And it's like, no, like you don't even have the strongest field anymore. Like it's it's like a weaker field than a lot of the other tournaments at this point. Sorry.

No, that's, that's, I think, I think what we are headed towards is like just being at odds with like, specifically to distance. And we don't have to do a big distance thing tonight is for roll lap coming into this job fresh and not being a huge golf guy. It is really easy for him to say we commercially, we don't need that. We don't need that rollback. Like I think that's an easy win for him with the players. Yes. Yes.

Like I think, I think cleaner. I think. Hey, I'm listening to you guys. Yeah. I think he would also say like, I totally can see where you're coming from on why this is a problem and why this is a big deal and why it hurts the golf within there. Changing that, it's not in my best interest. And here's like the monetary reasons why.

And I think you can make it probably like that's where I, I have a feeling we're headed. But I feel like the players are making less money from the equipment companies than ever. Not even necessarily the money from the equipment. Players might be, but still think like from a commercial load standpoint there. I think there's big advertiser. It's still headache. The tour still makes a lot of money from equipment companies too. Through sponsorships and television commercials.

You're still going to sell equipment. I know. I know, but they don't, but my point is they don't have to change unless it's like a true crisis. And even if we see true crisis, the people counting the money might not see it as a true. Again, can you make like definitively make the case for ROLAP

that they're going to make more money if they roll the equipment back? Because I don't feel like I can. to improve the product i that's not what i asked no but i think but are you saying more money in the near term in the next five years are you saying more money in the next 15 20 years i think those are two very different questions i i but i think they're more likely to answer than the next five and they'd probably be like man what an own goal we're going to have all this like i don't want to deal with this muddiness yeah i would say this all the strategic sports group the future competition something that's stuck out to me from uh i'd like to i would love them to i just don't like but that's not where like

pj tour players careers are now like the people that are on these committees are playing now and there's so crazy there's no collective bargaining like there's not like it's just not the way other it's so crazy that we were sitting here thinking about six years ago about the new tv deal tv deal being signed like we're six years into that over halfway so that thing and and we got a shit sandwich of a broad podcast today too. But to go, sorry, to go back to that, the TC of like, you're also marketing, you're also presenting the product to people that overwhelmingly think a rollback's not needed

is a part of this equation as well of like. Who loved green golf courses. Exactly. Exactly. A casual fan base that tunes in is like, that's what golf should look like. I think there, I think just to be clear. Just to be clear. Like, they're tuning in because there's a golf tournament on TV, though.

Right. Right. But I'm saying, but it's not like they're going to change, like, if like, whatever, 80% of people propose a rollback of some, oppose it of some kind. Like, if you're, that's who you're, is watching your tournaments, you're not going to flip, you know, you're not going to flip people with this. I still feel the exact same way. I'm just saying, I don't get the sense that, like, this is where the leadership of the PJ tour is headed. And I can I, can I, do you disagree? No, I, unfortunately. Right. Yeah. It's a defeated, it's a defeated viewpoint, but yeah.

I pulled a quote from Amon's article that I really liked that some, I honestly, you guys like played right into it is quote because roll app isn't laying out his vision or initiating a scramble amongst constituents to preserve the perks and privileges he's dismantling a facade the tour has carefully constructed and nurtured for decades that no caste system divides its members tournaments or sponsors it does and it's about to be formalized the point there is like that's the truth and it's almost like we haven't been telling the truth about the pGA tour they haven't been we started telling it The signature events. That's well said.

It's like finally like, so we need to start there. Like the truth is this should happen. There should be less. Every week can't matter. So we have to have like less tournaments than matter. It just can't matter. But you know what I'm trying to say. Like not everything can be elevated or signature or a major.

March might not be major. It's not. It might not be. That just might be the truth. We need to start telling the truth. Like Will Smith in the CTE movie. You tell the truth. I feel like we're getting there.

And I like that with Rolap, but like you might not go as far as we wanted to go about the, you know what I mean? Like the product stuff that you're talking about. I think he's going to figure out the competitive structure. I think that I'm excited about. And I think there's going to be some collateral damage there. I think there's going to be some events and things we like about the tour and the schedule.

And hopefully the broadcast product too. Yeah. I have confidence in that. I'm strictly talking about on the, you know, I don't feel like that's where they're headed on the, on the gulf you know figuring out that part of the product which i think is really important but a really long discussion i think the like just going back like the the difference in the golf between cbs and nbc from like going from the last few weeks to this week like it's it's getting

worse and worse every you know like it's getting bigger and bigger wider and wider every year it was jarring this week i have nothing nothing to add to that uh one thing i do i think we do have to have to look forward to in the next couple weeks. Jim Furek will be a commentator for NBC this upcoming week at Bay Hill and the players. And he, I think that's going to be great. I know Jim Furek is like the definition of vanilla to a lot of people. The guy's really smart. He's articulate. And hopefully the NBC stink doesn't rub off on him. And he just is himself and talks golf, man, because that NBC's done a good job at Bay Hill and players the last, the last few years. Yeah, Bay Hill is the commercial. I wouldn't say, uh, stink. Like, they just have too, there are too many cooks in

the kitchen and yeah hopefully furik will be an upgrade from kisner i feel like they throttle their talent though through the structure are they getting rid of the for sure man like bones is awesome that's the stink i'm talking about yeah like i feel like like today i got a good amount out of smiling i think they're riding him too hard on this friday happy hour stuff yeah he can do something different on friday i'm i'm in on that um and then they toss it back to golf central i don't know that Furek was great when I caddied for him. Fierke's awesome. He's genuinely got a sense of humor and it'd be nice to get some fresh blood in the booth with NBC.

Jay Medera, the CFO of the PGA Tour is retiring. Congrats on. Hey, he was never my CFO. 50, 54 years old. What was our guy's name? Ron. He was a CRO. He was CRO.

Ron Price. Ron, Rob. He was CFO. That was my dude. I think he was the de facto. cf i think he was the de facto dude he was the dude that guy had his money right yeah uh yeah i don't think guys are happy about how bright his money god remember when he had to go to congress because

james is out it's like dude i'm taking a oh god what a wild time you did well i thought he did well too you did i really do the uh pj tour announced the charities that brooks is donating to it backs the blue yeah that was uh something we need the receipts on eugenio shikara is making his first start this week after leaving live golf after the end of 2024 he'll be getting sponsor exemption into puerto rico uh this was a sad story of tough story on the dp world tour andrea pavon he had a horrible accident at the uh south african open he fell down three stories of fell down three stories down an elevator shaft in his lodging when the elevator doors

opened with no car present uh the 36 year old town he suffered severe shoulder damage and significant to his back, including fractures to several vertebrae. He had surgery on his back and shoulder this week, but will be in the hospital in South Africa for at least six weeks before he can return home to Dallas. Some very nice stories going around around Andrea. And a GoFundMe is out there on the interwebs. Sorry, I don't have the link to it as we speak right now.

But really, really tough story there. But he issued a statement, is in good spirits and has said he's been getting a lot of help and it really has appreciated all this support. It's like some final destination. Oh, it's horrible. This one hit really hard for me. I've been in Brooklyn, stuck in the elevator a couple times. Door never opened with no elevator, but you get stuck in the elevator.

It sucks, man. Just like, and then it makes you think about every time you get on the elevator the next week or two, you're like, man, is this going to work? Or how much you don't think about it when you just go walk in the door. That's crazy. When you work at a hotel and like you're the night manager, like, you're the night manager, you realize how often elevators malfunction to or break down like there you know there there's a lot of safeguards built in but like i remember one time we had uh little stevie the guy from

springsteen's east street band sure got stuck in the elevator for like four and a half hours oh my god it was it was like halfway between two floors and you couldn't it was nuts so uh thoughts are with uh Andrea and his uh his his family as well uh we had the argentia Argentina Open. Alastair Dockertie won that 119th. Correct. Not the one, 1999. American Alastor Dockery won that one. That was at Jockey Club. TC, I know that's a place that you hold near and dear to your heart. Yeah, they did the stream again for 15, 16, 17, and 18.

The first two days were no sound. With no sound on Saturday. You know, we're watching it with no sound yesterday afternoon. I wish they would do like, A, it's great that they have the stream. begin with it was on the corned ferry tour uh youtube channel it was in much better shape this year than it was last year um the argentine amateur um the uh Segundo aliva pinto who was kind of in the driver's seat going in the last round of the lack uh he ended up finishing like t7 so great great week for him that's a big deal down there

um he's you know he's he's got a bright bright future but i wish they would show from the T-box or from the fairway the handheld camera view because the the mounting on 16 and 17 in particular like it's a flat as a pancake piece of property and mackenzie just like mackenzie built this place like right before augustin national so some of the stuff that you see like on eight at augustin national you see that on 16 it's wild there's short grass everywhere it's bermuda it's great just it was you know it was feeling it was feeling it's it man uh i was so dialed i'm about to get he was in a flow state it was it before he took that steamship back up he was in a fucking and really he didn't build like he he designed it and then the guy that

built it was the guy that helped bobby jones like actually build the golf course of the tractor so anyway and then the new zealand it was a triple uh national opens week which i know you're pissed your your post on x the everything app didn't get more low should have gotten more And Lawrence from office space. Three national opens at the same time, man. Good stuff. The New Zealand Open, Daniel Hillier, one of the guys that's been cleaning up on the on the DP World Tour lately. He continued his strong play.

One is National Open over Lucas Herbert. I believe Hillier was already in the open. And Herbert gets into the open. Hillier's another one of those guys you keep seeing. Always. Just keeps every DP World Tour. Can't stop seeing them. And then I do want to shout.

out P finished T-29 down in the South Africa. Is that a, do you think, do you think that will affect his Fodora 5 ranking? He's, I think, I don't think he's going to fall out of the Fodora 5. I don't think he's playing this week. What's, what's going on on in the D.P. World tour this week? Joeberg open. Okay, so maybe he's staying down in South Africa, but he, like, he had kind of a stinker around one.

He finished, he was won over round one, and then he finished, he shot 69, 69, 68, the last three rounds. Does P have some whiffs of Mr. player just wants to play i'll go anywhere in the world what's peas what's p's dated golf one major hold please i don't know where to find the field for 68 tc 68 okay he has two dp world wins eight pGA tour wins and one major he has 475 years six months okay he's 35 years six months old yeah sally that was kind of around the world of men's golf and we've got PGA as well. Hannah Green won the HSBC Women's World Championship for the second time.

She held off Austin Kim by a single shot. It wasn't that close. She bogeyed the last two holes. Sintosa. Sintosa. Tosa is, like, well-maintained, and it was playing pretty firm. Those greens that were bouncy. It played, it is, what time of year did they play it when Liv was there?

It's a good question. I know when the- I think it was soft when Liv played it. And this, this has been, this was nice. This was firm. like this was i feel like it rains and it rains all summer all like late spring and summer there and get super humid so i think this is like before all that comes in um it was nice yeah this was hand his seventh career l pGA tour title her first since she won three times in 2024 she had five wins in an

18 month span from april 23 to october 24 proper player really really proper player won the 2019 kpmg women's pga at hazel team in proper golf i know you i knew you're going to say that uh Minji Lee, Angel Yan, Pauline, Roussin, Bouchard were T3, Haydan, U was sixth. Gino, after winning last week, finished T31 this week. She won it, she won the J.M. Eagle at a firm Wilshire. Twice. Two years in a row, which was like, all right, that's real. And then she's played, yeah, obviously Australian.

Minji in the mix, too, just makes it, you know, obvious that, all right, this is a real test. Got to be in control your ball. was a real test and who didn't who didn't play well that's interesting you know i think i think gino might be the biggest dome golfer in the world wow i've been that's that's my block right now i like gino i have nothing against her other than i think there's some there's some overseed birdie fest dome golf tendencies there but the oversea got to got to keep that in mind so she's got a bag there's Luckily, there's enough majors on the women's side that are not are played in nice conditions like that that the overseed at Memorial Park could be really, really nice for them. And then Hazeltines up north.

So they don't even have to oversee in Hazeltine. Because what's the overseed though? God, I still got to get. I got to get the original on the soundboard. That's it on my to do list for this week. Mark my words. Dolly, we had some USGA announcements this week, too. 2045.

How old are you going to be? Oh, God, I know when they start putting these fucking dates out. I'm like, man, I don't know if I'm going to be around. 58. Yeah, 58. Yeah. I did look at, so they, they, they, 245 to Emberdust, they announced some Walker Cup sites, Walker Cup going to national in 2040, Cyprus in 2048 and Seminole in 252.

My son, my son will be in that Cyprus window. I mean, be like 20, he might be like a fifth year senior around then. So I did the math on that one. I don't know. Freddie. Freddie is going to be in the window. He'll be in the mid-am one. He'll be seven.

I'm stoked for Inverness. I think Inverness is, you know, I'll file that one away for 2045. I'd like, I'd like to attend that tournament. Inver's sweet. It's good. We also need a roll back, man. They're going to be too old by that point. Pee, what?

52. 2048, I said, for Cyprus. Oh, for Cyprus. Okay. Inverness is, is a solid, solid golf course. I stolen valor I think it's better than Iran to me

it's not in Scotland that's not the US that's PG of America don't you bring the PJ of America into this my friend I still I'm I don't know I'm gonna bring the PG of American into this in a little bit I think Inverness would be like if they were going to the PJ championship there I'm like oh that's kind of an upgrade on some of their

venues but US opened is I don't know like it's like we got to have a rollback a lot weaker than Pioneers that's a lot weaker than Shinnock, Wingfoot kind of take her leave from me right now. Pebble without much redo. I think if you dropped the Inverness into where Wingfoot is in New York, like I think those are similar golf courses.

We can pick this up in 19 years, I think. So the next Walker Cup sites are La Hinch, Bandon, Princes, Oakmont. There's no more British ones announced from there. But Chicago Golf, National, Pine Valley, Cyprus. seminal i mean that's british and irish correct she's substantial british is what i meant you're pretty decent list there uh and the era of the hammer begins kevin u sGA annual meetings uh a couple other things that the um uh kevin hammer kevin hammer how about that hammer yeah played with him at pinehurst

about that's great yeah uh i i think he'll be a strong leader per paul was a strong leader as well and I think it sounds like that they're gonna there's a an opt-out that you can opt out of having on the gin uh yes public grounds yeah public grounds yeah and scores played arounds and scores like to call it the hue free's rule good stuff uh didn't you get buster being on a t-sheet though not for posting a gin scores okay yeah no but that being able to Scout the CEO rounds has been a, I think, a problem. You just don't want people looking into your, into your, like Malcolm Gladwell had a whole podcast about how he hated golf and he was kind of pulling gin stats.

Okay. Yeah. Anyway. Uh, any final notes here, T.C. Yeah, we, I've got a live corner just a quick one today. Torque Golf Club is partnering with the AJGA. The American Junior Golf Association is title sponsor of the Torque Golf Club championship. TC, I love this. Send the elevator back down. Grow the game. What's wrong with this? Tell me what's wrong with this. This is great. Nothing. I don't know where they're going to play that. I need to dig into that a little bit more.

Bryson and L.A. golf have split. A lot of Rumblings. Bamberger had a piece. Some heavy duty quotes in there. Yeah. I think it goes way, way, way deeper and there's a lot of possible malfecesance going on there. But also just Bryson being like or the L.A. golf guy being like, man, he was asking for 51% or he's going to walk and i told him to walk i mean just some good just kind of some like a lot of rumors at la golf was showdown all only uh all of his updates will come for bryson in this uh there was some rumors some well-founded rumors however alleged they were of la golf

they bought matrix they were just buying shafts and they were painting them and charging thousands of dollars for him uh anyway wade ormisbee stepping in from mickleson this week high flyers uh he's a two-time hong kong open winner i thought phil's only supposed to miss two events i don't know maybe maybe like and they're calling it a family health matter but there's a lot a lot of things floating around out there so we'll see we'll see if that if anything comes there guys was there a dust up at tgl i think so between glover and more from what i from the clip i saw i've listen i i won't want to fuck with lucas draw draw calling doesn't want this was yelling draw draw draw yeah and and Lucas just kind of got back in there like what'd you say

but I mean I think the guys are just fucking around more than I don't think it's like a serious TGL dust up do you I would love to see a serious TGL dust up they need that's what they need we needed to be one we're missing what's the score right now we're missing this is it live my team is a question this is this could ruin my night here I have it on DVR of course it is it is it a double header tonight or we're up three two let's go we like wrap this up I need to watch the finale here Then we got it's on tomorrow night too, right? Max is playing tonight.

So he's doing a double. Yeah. With young Tom Kim. How about that? How about young Tom Kim? Tough. Global superstar. Global superstar struggling.

Oh, right. On to. And then PGA Championship needs volunteer. They still need volunteers for Erronomy, which is in what, two months, two months. It's a $270 fee if you would like to volunteer. But inflation, man. If not, hit them up. I feel like when we started this, it was 80.

Yeah. That's kind of way up. I feel like that's outpacing inflation. I feel like the fee to volunteer at a PGA. Feels like they should be full by now. Is going up at a high rate. See what happens. We got a big week of golf coming up.

We got the Bay Hill Invitational, Arna Palmaventational at Bay Hill, whatever it's called now on the PGA tour. Live golf is in Hong Kong. Kingsplace. DP World Tour has the Joe Burke open. LPJ Tour remains in China for the Blue Bay LPGA for a week off and then they make their return

back to the U.S. for the founders in mid-March. We have a video coming out this week, documenting our long trip to Jacksonville, Florida. DJ came down actually in TC and I. We had a great, this was back in October. We filmed this. And to play a little golf around Jackson, we always get a lot of questions about what golf courses to play around Jacks. That'll be a full, full kind of city tour of a place we all called home at some point. You guys, I didn't get out of this one.

Yeah, you didn't make the cut. So scummy. That'll premiere on our YouTube channel 8 p.m., I believe, on Wednesday. It's tough to do, you know, somebody was jawed at us. They said, well, is this Pontivira or Jack's Beach? It's more of a beach's look. It's more just like, it's just a like a retrospective on how we ended up there. It's like a hometown visit for the boys.

Jacksonville is the largest city in the country by land by land mass. So it's tough to, tough to uncover all the square miles. We'll also have a new podcast out on Tuesday, night. Denny Cash is making his triumphant return to the podcast. Yes. We did a little dive into, I got to come up with a title for this yet, but it's, it's like finances and professional golf for individual golfers, like different lifestyles of professional golfers. Finances of being a pro golf. Yeah, like income, you know, at the highest levels of the men's side, highest levels of the women's side, replacement level on the men's side. What are the expenses like? What do people get wrong about

finances? Maybe not the highest catty life. We have some, Denny Cash. Maybe for the mules. Denny Cash gets in there. Denny Cash has some of the higher levels. You know he's got some. And then you know, Danny. He knows what the mules are into as well. Yeah.

We'll be live on Sunday shortly after the finale at Bay Hill. So join us on the No Layout podcast YouTube channel, which we're here. If you're watching this on YouTube, get that subscribe button. Neal's, Neil's pay is driven by subscriber growth. Okay. And it's, it's, he just wants to see that number going up. So does his deadies. I'm not like commission.

Subscribe there or you can watch it on the Everything app as well. Anything we missed, guys. No, I think we went too long. Neil, what's your next round of golf? When am I playing next? I'm going to Arizona Wednesday night. Oh,

I'm going to be in, well, I mean, I'll just call it out. We're doing a, like, documentary on the U.S. national development program.

And I'm going to join the, the team, the program. Our, our, our, Are they going to develop you? Hopefully, yeah.

I'm going to, we're going to test, test ourselves against the best. It's going to be the Walker Cup of National in 24. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to be the kid again, TC. So my, I don't know if I'm going to play around out there, but I'm definitely going to do some testing. So that's my next. Orseed, too. Yeah, the overseed, though.

Desert Mountain. It's a record for overseed references of this week on the pod. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. We'll see you back here next week. Cheers.