No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1132: Cam Young wins The Players

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Birdie on 17 and a closing 68, Cameron Young (-13) is your 2026 Players Champion. Matty Fitzpatrick (-12), Xander Schauffele (-11), Robert MacIntyre (-10), Sudarshan Yellamaraju (-9), Jacob Bridgeman ...(-9), and Ludvig Åberg (-9) rounded out the top of the leaderboard. What a day for Cam Young. We break down what this win means, what unraveled for Ludvig on Sunday, and what Matty Fitzpatrick let slip away. Plus, notable names further down the board and more. Elsewhere, Bryson DeChambeau won LIV Singapore in a playoff over Richard T. Lee, while the 4Aces ran away with the team title. Hannah Green captured the Women’s Australian Open, becoming the first Australian in 12 years to win her national open. Presented by Titleist. Support our sponsors: Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf High Noon - Sun's Up! AT&T - Connecting Changes Everything Get Your Money Right at https://www.sofi.com/nlu Players Championship Giveaway: https://subscribe.nolayingup.com/march-giveaway-2026 Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about it? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Nolanga podcast, presented by our friends at Titleist.
Starting point is 00:00:45 My name is DJ. We got a full, full house of players championship appreciators today to break down a world where Cameron Young is your players champion. what a what a what a day what a week can't wait to get into it first and foremost with my guy nobody's had a bigger week than him even Cameron young first he pronounced o's right cam young was his was his pick to win this week before the tournament neal schuster neal how we doing
Starting point is 00:01:13 man can you keep it rolling for another 18 holes here how people are asking how does he do it i'm ozing with with swag right now i'm feeling fantastic randy how are you i'm feeling great Neil. I heard my favorite team's name called for the NCAA tournament, so I'm driving with you right now. Of course. The energy is electric. Of course Sully. Salenberger is here. Hello,
Starting point is 00:01:37 Sallie. Hey, not only did Neil call it, he told us again on Friday night. Excuse me. Like, don't count, don't count out Cameron Young. He threw in another reminder. And he had some actual nuggets on Cameron Young to win this week as well. I mean, just have a week. And of course,
Starting point is 00:01:54 last, but not least, fresh off getting some serious steps out there at TBC Sawgrass today. T.C. How are we, how we feeling, my man? Uh, we're feeling tired. I think I've done about 30,000 steps the last three days. And it seems that people are out for blood in the comments. I mean, people are just vicious stuff, even more vicious than the, than the crowds out of Sawgrass, call it the jingoism out there was they have pitch force out, T.C. They want your head. How did it come to this? You can't understand how this climate got so charged.
Starting point is 00:02:30 You know, who's been using all this language? Reven all these people up. It's crazy. I'm surprised Keegan wasn't, you know, running down, opening up the ropes behind that group within America. Oh, come on. Kegan would have benched Cam Young. Come on.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Well, we got a lot to get into, Sally. Before we do, who we got to hear from? Yeah, we're going to break down all the birdies and bogeys. But got a cool equipment nugget for you guys on Cameron Young. Of course, you know we always, always talk about the importance of getting fit, how big of a role the golf ball plays in it. The order in which you get fit also matters. Titles always says fit the golf ball to the irons and then fit the top end of the bag to the ball.
Starting point is 00:03:11 So a really good example here. Kim's been super dialed in with the ProV1X prototype golf ball that he moved to last summer, which dialed in his flight, his spin with his irons, and it was the perfect recipe for his approach to play. but he had to work with the tour team to make some adjustments off the tee to optimize his carry distance. Last week at Bay Hill, he moved to an 11-degree GT3 driver, lofted down to 10.25 in the D-1 setting, which helped raise his launch without jacking up the spin,
Starting point is 00:03:40 proceeded to hit the longest drive in the Shotlink era history. I'd venture to say there were no drives pre-shotlink that went 375 yards on the 18th hole as well. Earlier in the season, he also moved into the higher-launching, GT-1-3 fairway wood and GT-1-20-degree hybrid. So a completely different setup than what he's playing in 2025. All goes to show.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Go get fit. You never know what you're going to end up in. The experts dial you in and trust the process. And yeah, head to Titles.com to find a fitting near you. Don't just check your ego at the door. Trust the numbers. Cameron Young's playing 11-degree driver and a high-launch fairway hybrid. Like that might be different than what he would have thought he would be in. If he can play it,
Starting point is 00:04:21 you can play it. and go to Titles.com to find a fitting near you. It's the same exact setup as TC. That's right. That's right. Guys, around the globe, around the world of golf, Cameron Young, your winner at the Players by one over Matt's Fitzpatrick. Bryson wins in a playoff over Richard T. Lee over at Lynn,
Starting point is 00:04:40 live Singapore. TC's Ripper GC also got pipped in the team contest there. And Hannah Green, your winner at the Aussie Women's Open down in Adelaide as well. Well, of course, we're going to start with Cameron Young, his second PGA tour, victory after last year's, Windham Championship, final round 68, one off the round of the day. Birdie on 17 was electric. The T shot on 18, you mentioned, Sully, but Neil, we got to start with you, man. What's going through the mind? How are we feeling?
Starting point is 00:05:11 What do you love about Cam Young? Well, I mean, he's got loud traits. It's a term Randy throws around, I think, baseball related. Not always in control, but the talent has always been undeniable. The swing is unique. It's like loud traits with a quiet guy. So he just kind of doesn't say much. And then, you know, but then he does a press conference after the round.
Starting point is 00:05:35 He's just really, really thoughtful. And so I've always been intrigued with Cam Young. And this was a statement win for him. And it's not easy. Like you think about the adventure on nine. You think about what he did on 16. God, man, if we could just harness some of this. you know, some of this oomph.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Like, and then he's kind of getting himself out of jail, though, the last, I'd say, what, six, 12 months with the putter. And so, you know, but the, the, he's kind of all over the ballpark. And he didn't really take the reins. I think the decisive shot for me today was 16, uh, when he had that, uh, fried egg in the bunker. And to get that out, really good splash out and two putt there. I think that settled them down.
Starting point is 00:06:18 And then, you know, obviously the shot on 17 is like that, you know, the one you'll, you're going to see on the replays, but I almost feel like him getting out of jail on 16 is what freedom up to do what he did on 17. But I mean, for most of the front nine, like nobody really wanted this thing. It was just kind of, it was getting a little sleepy there until Ludwig vaporized himself on 11. And we are going to get to that. And then he stepped up. And then he stepped up. He felt like he battled. Like he kind of got a lot of things on, on 13. And, yeah, it's just really impressive to see him go out and get it. But he said, I felt like he stepped on the gas at the end. And it didn't feel like anybody was really stepping on the gas throughout the day. I guess is the point I'm making.
Starting point is 00:06:59 A couple of things from his press conference. If anybody missed it, he first of all talked about how great he drove it last week and how, you know, he was a little out of sorts with, you know, off the tea this week until that back nine when it finally clicked. I loved, Neil. I know you had to write this in your notebook too. I loved his, his, uh, his, he was a, he, he was. He, uh, him going through his process on 18T. He was talking about his two swing thoughts that he had. He said, the first thing I needed to do is just stay completely committed to my line. The second thing that went through my head was just telling myself, I'm about to hit the best shot of my life. And somebody asked him like, oh, do you like tell yourself that all the time? He's like, no.
Starting point is 00:07:37 It's like the first time. He's like, I don't know why. He's like, I've never really been in that situation where I'm like, you know, tied for the lead on the last hole. He's like, you know, the other time I won, I was way behind. And he's like this. I don't know. that just popped in my head. I don't think I've ever thought that before.
Starting point is 00:07:50 And I just stepped up. I love that. Yeah. The last thing I'll say is like it, it's always fulfilling to watch somebody fulfill big time potential. It's like in real time, it's like we just watch the guy step up and do it. And he didn't, it kind of in a statement way. So I don't know. It was, yeah, it was a really fun end of the day.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I think that's right. I think the, yeah, like it's like seeing it happen before your very eyes. And I think on the heels, too, I think Cam's even more interesting because he finished with that weird double yesterday. And he seemed really unbothered and unfussed by it. Like he was just laying with his family on the grass next to the media center last night after round three. And he, like he had just doubled and seemingly cost himself, you're both a spot in the final pairing as well as just, you know, being what? he was four back or five back going into the day to day. Four.
Starting point is 00:08:51 And, yeah, and he was just really unbothered by it and unburdened, it seems like. And then, yeah, like I was, like I had ejected finally from Ludwig's group once.
Starting point is 00:09:01 They were on 16T. And I was like, all right, I'm going to go up to 16 green. And I got, you ejected. Oh, we,
Starting point is 00:09:08 yeah, we both ejected. It was like goose and Maverick together. And then scovie was, was there with this, too. He told them in the pond. He's got a,
Starting point is 00:09:16 he's got a, yeah. the helicopter. That was bad. But no, I was, I was standing right there for, or I was sitting right there, like right behind Cam for that, that wedge into 17. And I mean, the, the, the wind was, was ripping like 20, 22 miles an hour, straight down wind. And that, that, that, that doesn't even look like it's on land over there. And, I mean, like, the, the amount of, like, just how much he covered that ball and the amount of spin and command. And, I mean, like, the, the, the amount of, the, the, commitment that that shot took.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Like that was truly do or die. There was no, because I think if it lands in that bunker with the way that it was coming in, like it's probably plugging as well. And then the drive on 18 was just insane. All while, you know, Fitz is like Cam just pushed his chips all the way in on both of those shots and one at all. It was incredible. And then it's such a good approach too.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Yeah. Like that shot and putt on 17 are career defining. Yes. I mean, that, I will view the rest of Cameron Young's career differently based on that specific moment, taking on that line in that moment, hitting it there. And we've seen Cam have that putt, like nine feet, seven inches, I think it was, in major championships, like a put you need to make if you're going to potentially win one of these things. And it doesn't ever go in. And like since last August, those have all gone in. And I was confident he was going to make that. And just to see him absolutely shut the door on one of these in a massive, massive, massive moment. It was, I was, that was one of the most exciting. I'm getting caught up in the recency of it, but like one of the most exciting golf tournaments I've watched in recent memory. It was awesome. Solly,
Starting point is 00:10:53 I don't think that's getting caught up at all. Like it felt like like like I think Dede, you were there for for Ricky winning at all and pushing his chips in there. But like that was one of the best three or four golf shots I've ever seen in person. For like hands down. And then just to I think like Cody and Neil, you guys would have been over the moon seeing how Cam was treated by the crowds. like there's just like they were they were all for him and it wasn't just because he's an American or whatever
Starting point is 00:11:22 like there was a genuine the juice appreciation he's got swag man he's just got quite confidence I mean he he he's he's wearing blowbys and I'm like those weren't blowbys I mean they kind of are blowbys like but it's it's almost like and he's got the necklaces on I'm like man I mean it's like I wish I could pull that look off you know he's just he's got straight up swag and uh he just kind of feels Like he's not trying very hard. You know, he just doesn't, like, he has a bit of a I don't give a fuck attitude, which I think people are drawn to that, you know.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And then he's got loud traits, Randy. That helps, you know. Like he hits your shit out of the ball. Yeah, he does. He does. I, I, not much to, to add here, except for what a, what a fun players. Just a, like you guys said, just, just a really nice viewing experience today. yesterday even for that matter
Starting point is 00:12:17 going back this whole week like one of the more enjoyable players championships I can remember well I think the best way to tackle today because there was a lot of shit that happened I just kind of started taking notes as the shit was happening well TC let's fill you in we're going to do a little
Starting point is 00:12:36 we're just going to kind of do a little play by play and we'll stop for detours along the way if we need to dive into something guys so of course Ludwig Aberg Ludwig Oberg enters the final round with a three-shot lead over his playing partner
Starting point is 00:12:49 Michael Thor Bjornson, the burrito gallery T.C. A couple of Jacksonville native sons out there. Both recently moved to the Jacksonville area play at TPC Sawgrass that made a meal out of this, which was great going into it. Both of them birdied the par five second
Starting point is 00:13:05 with T.C. hot on their heels out there watching the golf. Thor Bjornson quickly ejected, summarily ejected after he drove it in the rough. On number four, and dumped the ensuing wedge into the water. He would go on to make an eight. Ludwig also bogeied there.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Just a tough scene. T.C., that obviously feels like a stop point there. What did we miss from on the ground during that whole segment? Yeah, Ludwig got pretty lucky off the tee there. He drove one left. But it was like mashed down rough and kind of up on top of the hill. Was that a crowning? Maybe a little bit.
Starting point is 00:13:45 such a bad shot that he hit out of the tea. Yeah, it wasn't good. That one's had his number all week. He did the opposite thing yesterday. He kind of hit a spinning one right yesterday off the tea there. And then actually hit a pretty good shot up onto the green from there. I don't know. Watching guys,
Starting point is 00:14:03 I mean, all you had to do is hit the middle of the green there that feeds down. I felt like, you know, he missed his target. He should have been, it kind of went over the flag. It felt like it should have been just.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Well, there just wasn't a whole lot of chance to like stop it off the green from, from where he was. I thought like, he needs to hit a better chip there, basically. That was the issue. But yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:23 Thorbjornson just, like, he missed the shorty. I thought he made triple. We were already up on the T, on the next T, and they were like, oh, he missed the shorty to,
Starting point is 00:14:30 for, you know, for a triple. So, yeah, nothing really sticks out there. It was just, we talked about it ad nauseum on the,
Starting point is 00:14:39 on the pod the last few nights of just like, how much four rules? You guys did a great job breaking it down last night. That four is, it's awesome. And just the stats on missing left or right,
Starting point is 00:14:51 just being in the rough there and you're screwed, basically. It's a great golf hole. What was just because I don't think we're going to circle back to him, what was the Thorbiornson vibe after that? I mean, that's kind of a tough spot to be. Didn't he bogey the next one? Or he bogeied a couple more down. I guess that was more when we got to like 1112.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Yeah, he had a really good up and down on one. Like he hit a pretty squirly drive on one up the right. and it was pretty obvious right from the start. He made Bernie on 2, but it was pretty obvious right from the start that he just doesn't have multiple speeds. Like there's not a whole lot of pitch mixes, Solly, and, you know, he's just throwing a lot of four seamers. And I just say he is he BSI, T.C?
Starting point is 00:15:39 No, I don't think he's BSI. I think he's just kind of a thrower, not a pitcher. Might be like the MIS. And people are going to catch up to 103, man. if it's not moving. I'll tell you whose game reminds me of a little bit. Dustin Johnson. That's what I was saying.
Starting point is 00:15:51 And there's outfit too. You know, he's got the monochrome all blue with the tailor made hat. I'm like, I've seen that guy before. I mean, he's got loads of game. I just think he just needs a little bit more seasoning there as well.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Well, I think between that and then the, you know, he was, he was really struggling there 11 and 12 as well. Like the group just didn't have anything going. He, like,
Starting point is 00:16:14 I give him credit. He made five, birdies today. Like he wasn't just trying to hang on for dear life. He just... He just... He just... He just... He just... He just... He just... ...selled 17. I didn't see that. That's... Double 17.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Double 17. Well, after that, Ludwig settled in a little bit. Makes five pars in a row and takes a two-shot lead at the turn over Bob McIntyre and Matt Fitzpatrick, who started his day, burdying three of the first four, just coming out guns
Starting point is 00:16:39 blazing. That's when we get our first Cam Young charge starting to mount birdie on 10. to get within two and then of course things finally got interested this is the snoozy the snoozy part neal and then things finally got interesting uh on 11 ludwig wipes one into the middle of the pond there a middle middle too like it wasn't close wasn't close tc you know your statement there i guess yeah i think like looking back i think ludwig on on nine the fact that he didn't birdie nine that was when I started to get a little concerned.
Starting point is 00:17:16 I was like, oh, okay, that's, he had a really good second shot in there. It wasn't, like, I think he was trying to go long. Like, wasn't going to mess with that. Yeah, they all were. But, like, Fitz got into that short grass and Ludwig ran just off into the long stuff. Hit a decent ship, but it was like, you know, 15 footer. Just didn't make a whole out of those 10 to 15 footers, the first 10 holes or so. And then, yeah, kind of 11 great spot.
Starting point is 00:17:43 and yeah, just an awful, awful, awful golf swing. Which is so crazy, juxtaposing that against yesterday's four iron into 11, you know, to converting the eagle. And that shot on 11 was such a, it felt like a sneeze because he'd been kind of on autopilot all day. Like he hadn't hit like the shot, the drive on four, okay, like not a good shot. But like, it didn't look horrible. It was just like, whoa, that was so out of character. What are you doing, man? Like it just kind of, like I said, just all of a sudden.
Starting point is 00:18:13 sudden now I'm leaning forward. I'm like, God, Ludwig's just not going to go backwards. That's what I was thinking on 11. I'm like, he's just going to kind of plot along here. And nobody else, I mean, Fitzpatrick a little bit up to that point had had been, you know, had been pressing him. You know, the guy in his group ejected. It just felt like Ludwig was going to kind of cruise. Yeah, he's really disconcerting. Like seeing, I was standing on the hill behind 11 because I wanted to see the shot come into that back pinned. And everybody in the crowd was like, oh, man, that thing is like really, really far, far right. Like that's over the water. And then splash down, we didn't even come close.
Starting point is 00:18:52 And then I was thinking, oh my God, we got to get Neil out here to tell him where to drop. Options. I'd be happy to. Yeah. The hard part about this TC was both this shot and the shot we'll talk about next on 12 were like just, we were like just, we were in territory with Ludwig of, hey, that's the only thing you can't do right now. Totally. Like the only thing you can't do. get this ball and land on both of those holes and like I still feel like you're probably
Starting point is 00:19:17 going to win this tournament and they were just catastrophic mistakes man I and just so god I want to say so out of character now but like now I'm like replaying a bunch of stuff and I'm like did we do we go too hard and like crown him too early yes but like this one's going this one's going to stick with not like all of us for a long time like what happens in the ensuing couple hours. Let's get the let's get the next one there because it goes from bad to worse. Yes. On 12 and what I was going to point out is.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Real quick. There's so much room left too. Like there's all that short grass left. Granted, it's kind of a credit card whole meal. Right? Or in Levick's case, a chlor in a hole because that's a Swedish company. And then yeah, and then on 12, there's no upside to hitting driver there. He's a driver a lot
Starting point is 00:20:06 I think this week. And everybody, it's just like that was the one where he was so fucking quick at the top of that swing and it was so far off the toe right like it looked like it was just a straight toe hook yeah just very flippy immediate left which is again the the right ball like and then the hard left ball is like ah man
Starting point is 00:20:30 at least if you could take one side out it's like you can you can kind of get your way around but just two complete opposites 12 off the tee like yeah toe flipper into the water had to drop way back at like 170, hits it over the green, bad ship, makes it double. And then at that point, I believe Fitz is Bernie 12 and 13 to take the outright lead.
Starting point is 00:20:51 And it goes, you know, very, very quickly there. Ludwig goes from starting the day three up to finding himself three back as he walks off the 12th C. I think the most frustrating part about Ludwig on 12 was the fact that Thor Bjoranson did the exact same thing, like
Starting point is 00:21:07 15 seconds before he hit it. like yeah i don't know what's the risk here i feel like with you know is is that the place sally i'm gonna you know just feels like maybe we just hit iron in the fairway yeah but at the same time i the most of the day watching ludwig i'm like man i can't even see the other side of the tracer when he hits driver because it's just following the exact line it was on the way up and he's one of the best drivers in the world and he was vibing this week so i i don't know i'd be talking out of both sides of my mouth
Starting point is 00:21:39 if I completely questioned driver there. Just flipping through it. It looked like he hit driver there on Thursday. That was the third hole he played there. I don't, I can't tell if he hit it Friday. He only hit it when 266 off that T on Friday. And the T was up on Saturday. But it, yeah, you got your superpower.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Use it. But yeah, maybe he was feeling a little nervry at that point. It's like, give me the biggest club head. On the previous hole, T.C., and you won't like this part. They did zoom in on his driver when he, that he hit off 11 and he was off the toe. I mean, it was way out on the toe. And that went right down the middle. I'm wondering if he's saying, yeah, I'm not now.
Starting point is 00:22:17 And my drivers couldn't, if I hit it off the toe, it's going to fly right down the middle. It just didn't this time. So, yeah, agree with all that. Dege, two things I felt on what watching Ludley play 12, I felt bad. I was like, oh, this sucks. Like, it just kind of felt bad. Like, you guys said it last night. It's hard to root against Ludwig.
Starting point is 00:22:36 You can't really find anything like not to like. It's like, guys, maybe you could, I guess, accuse him being kind of boring, but it's just really elegant, polished, and it's just like, oh, man, this guy's going to collapse like this. He's going to get tracked down by the guy in Skechers. Like, this sucks, man. Because at this point, Cam Young wasn't doing much. And I'm like, this kind of blows. Like, what, now the last group has no juice. And, but I, the second point I want to make is I want to give Ludwig a ton of credit walking off 12 green. I mean, it's just kind of like a, you know, Like just, dang, man, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, but like, he doesn't get high or low. I just don't know how that's humanly possible the way he is able to manage his emotions. Yeah. I, I, I admire the hell out of that. He pops a lot of zines, you know. I admire the hell out of that too, T.C.
Starting point is 00:23:25 I was, I was, I was walking with the data golf guys. And they were like, yeah, he went from whatever he was like, now he has a two and a half percent chance to win TC. I'm sorry. Were they walking around with their computer? Because at the Ryder Cup, he's like, got to. his laptop and he's like live updating. I'm like, God, this is sick. Watch the sausage be made on Data Golf.
Starting point is 00:23:43 You know what I'm standing right there on 13T? Right by the sawgrass marriott, like very sacred spot. The shadow of the sawgrass marriott. And, you know, it's playing into the wind, but I see scovie, you know, flash to the bones and the spot are like seven iron. I was like, he's hitting seven iron here? That seems like a lot of club. and he hits it and he's like cut cut cut cut i was like man that thing's going to have to cut
Starting point is 00:24:13 cut and have a hell of a lot of backspin on it to i mean he flew at what solid 190 yards flew 187 i think it was um maybe one 84 i forget what the actual number is but like fits and prior in the group prior like carved a little seven iron in there like it didn't look at he took something off a seven and then love it like smashed a seven i know the wind was a little different but that was just like, man, I don't think my guy's making the best, you know, has the best process going right now. And that was, that was one too. Like I thought, I thought for a moment that he, did he hold the chip? And that was when like, that was like when the soul left the body a little bit.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Like I'm sitting there. I'm like, 14, 15. I like, I got to go into mourning stages of grief here. And then I got to pull myself out of this. You see, what were the Swedes doing at this point? The Viking hats were out in force this week. did they stick with their guy? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:07 There was, I mean, the Swedish contingent was strong, both, you know, like Friday through Sunday. I know Ludvig's mom was in town, one of his buddies.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I talked to him for a little bit from, from Eslov. They were there. I mean, Ludvig's mom was saying, like, he was down in the dumps a month ago, like with his game.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Like, he just wasn't playing well. I think he's, I think of anything, like he's, yes, he's super bummed, but also just talking to him
Starting point is 00:25:32 for a bit after the round. Like, It sounds like he's more enthused that he's had two top five or top sixes in a row. And like he feels like he's got his game back because he was pretty, he was pretty, he was in a funk there, the first quarter of the year. Randy, I want to ask, I feel like you're good at zooming out, bottom line. Some of these. I ask you to put together some grades.
Starting point is 00:25:55 And maybe we'll just kind of sprinkle these in as we go. But what grade are you given Ludwig this week? I'm not going to be very nice to him because I thought the weekend was I mean, did the 63 kill all his momentum Friday? A lot of people are asking. That's a call, Randy. Jammed up a few cases.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Sure seems like it did. Do you apologize? I'm going to give him a C plus. That's a bad analogy. Oh, it's a great analogy. I don't think the weekend. The Saturday was fine. thing you can do.
Starting point is 00:26:30 The Saturday was fine, Randy. It was not really very good, T.C. That wasn't a winning Saturday and definitely was not a winning Sunday. What was the grade? I'm sorry, I missed it. C plus. C plus. I think, listen, hey, through two days, yeah, everything looked great.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Some positives to take away. But I think we got a big issue on our hands with hitting some very squirrely shots under the gun in the biggest moment. Because you go back to the Masters. You know what it was, too? 11. Yeah. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Same water ball, right? It's like, dang, man, we can't, you know, and they said on the broadcast, like, he likes to play quick and he likes to play offense. And it seems like maybe in these big moments, it's like, can we slow it down a beat? And maybe we can't play as much offense. I hate to say that. That sounds lame to say out loud, but it's like, it seems like it's cost him in a couple big spots.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I think, I don't know. I mean, I think he's definitely got some stuff to work on. I also don't think his game was super, super, super tight the last month or so coming into this. So you think that you've been telling us, oh my guy, he's going to win the master's. I said it's coming. I think he is going to win the Masters. I think he's vividly remember you saying repeatedly that he's back. I think he is bad.
Starting point is 00:27:45 I'm just saying, like, you were saying that. We got to work. You were not saying that. We got to work through some code issues here of, hey, there's still some gremlins in there. And he's got to keep the mogul. So I don't think he's not a finished product. I just want to call out that TC's like, yeah, I've been saying like he's not all the way there the past couple weeks.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Like I just, I didn't say he's not the way there. I've been telling him. He's not coming off like three months of sustained great play. He's he's climbed the mountain to come back. And now he's now he needs to polish the shit up. Here's, let me, let me here. Here's my question with Ludwig.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Just to toss this out here is, I think right now he's starting to feel after today, starting to feel a little bit poster childy to me about like, this guy got into the signature events. He does just good enough. But like at some point, I got to see my guy winning, just like to close it out. Doing more.
Starting point is 00:28:46 And I think the public sentiment, you know, we have not helped with how much praise and picks that we've made for Ludwig. but yeah it's it's it's it's time for him i think i think this is a big year now for him i really we're going to need to see some stuff luddy i would counterpoint that to say we i feel like that's the same argument you can make for cam young until about an hour and a half ago which i do think that's a great juxtaposition because i i totally agree with you neil where it's like dude this good that his rookie year is just top ten and all these big ass events and then it took him to win them last year to win something you know
Starting point is 00:29:25 You know, it's like, people get impatient, especially with those two because again, Randy, I'm going to say it, loud traits. Ludwig has the same thing. It's like such a good looking swing. It's like, how does that guy miss? You know, they're almost held to this higher standard a little bit because of this potential we all see. Well, there's, there's a little bit of a Scotty, you know, when Scotty was quote unquote
Starting point is 00:29:46 struggling or couldn't get it over the line or couldn't win or whatever. Like there is a little bit to the Ludwig, you know, what if I, what if I told you you that the handsome guy with all the traits also was like a winner. He's like, well, that's, that's cool. That's not that interesting. Like, what if I told you that the guy that should be winning everything? Just like can't get it over the line is where I'm like,
Starting point is 00:30:06 ooh, okay. Now I'm, now, continues to have a good attitude about it. Yeah, exactly. He did have a great post-rounder today, too. It was almost frustratingly grounded and like centered, you know, we're just seemingly just in a really good mood.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Yeah. This, I think, yeah, like he was yeah, he was very upfront about the shortcomings today. And yeah, I think he's got to learn how to close the deal. I mean, I don't think. I know. Like, he's got to learn how to close the deal. He's only, he's only 29 months old or younger than Cam Young. So it's not like they're that far apart as far as age-wise.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Cam's 28. But Randy, also, Leveig's got a solo second and a solo seventh in his two master's appearances. Like, he's played, he's played eight majors so far. He needs to get better at the PGA's. He's got two cuts there. But I think... He seems to thrive in these contained ecosystems a little bit. And I thought this week was good.
Starting point is 00:31:04 You know, players would have been really good for the resume. But... Yeah. I am surprised. I'm very bullish on him. I'm still like, yes, there's stuff to work on. And yes, are there flaws there? Or is there...
Starting point is 00:31:18 Are there some bugs in the software? Yeah, maybe. But I think they're very, very fixable. Like, he's... I think he's chipping. gotten a lot better. I would like to see him maybe, maybe play around with a mallet,
Starting point is 00:31:32 putter. He's one of the few guys out there. He's working for everybody else. Yeah. But no, I'm bullish. But, you know, I'll apologize to everybody out there. I'm so sorry that, you know, this guy. I'm sorry. You were in the way.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Yeah. Well, T.C., he did not, did not have a good day on the Greens. He was 70th out of 73. in putting, which is tough. That's not where you want to be. But if you want to have a good day, guys, you can do that all noon,
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Starting point is 00:32:53 Ludwig, it is worth mentioning Bogey had 15 as well just to seemingly kind of end all of his chance. Yeah. That one had his number. No path. No path to victory after that one, T.C. Zander makes it interesting for a minute. Bertie's three of the last four
Starting point is 00:33:09 including the one on 18. I was all hot and bothered about him hitting an iron and leaving himself like 190 into that back pin straight down wind. But he made me look like an idiot by stuffing one in there and making Bertie. Anybody got anything on Zander kind of a just really weird weird week good week uh Randy wasn't on the list I don't
Starting point is 00:33:29 if you have a grade for for Xander but uh just kind of a strange one yeah uh I put him in that honestly like a B plus I thought overall it was a good week for Xander I think him being back in the mix and at a big event like this I thought the finish as you said was strong to quite strong so I'm maybe surprisingly for myself I'm I'm complimentary of Zander I thought. Zandig is so G-plus for shooting himself out of it on Saturday after a 74.
Starting point is 00:33:59 And then he came back. Final has a lot of weight in the grade. Yeah, the more I'm thinking about this, Ludwig, I mean, he flunked the final.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Like that C-plus starting to feel generous. You know, he did really nice the whole semester, but I mean, he got like a 52 on the final. By Randy's metrics. Does he get the,
Starting point is 00:34:16 does he grasp the concepts or not? I don't, I don't know. The Miami Red Hawk shouldn't be in the tournament, Randy. It's interesting. We won't go there, TC. You're lashing out now because
Starting point is 00:34:25 we'll start flailing TC. We got a long ways to go tonight. All right. Long ways to go. Well, after Xander posts his round, Cam tries to make a move on 16. Great T shot there on 16 with fits over in the trees trying to decide how he was going to punch out what he was going to do.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Cam pulls that one pretty hot left as well. Catchers a tree dropped straight down in fried eggs in those nasty nasty bunkers that are like 50 yards short of 16 green just like maybe one of the I don't know one of the coolest bunkers at golf I think very underrated spot that whole sequence was awesome though he had 250 and you could just see his shirt whipping in the wind and you're like oh he's got iron like that that ain't getting there he said he was waiting for a wind gap to potentially get it to the front but then you're
Starting point is 00:35:12 like man I don't know if I love pulling out a fairway wood here to get to the back pin with a firm green all that water around you know you bail left you can't really get up and down from over there you just like There was a ton of TPC sawgrass stuff going on in that exact moment. Just with all that on the line at that point, that was just a moving that T back has been a good thing for 16 because it has made decisions like that very real. And I'll go back to what I said at the beginning, not making that putt for Bertie on 15 for Cam specifically.
Starting point is 00:35:41 And then that shot on 16, what am I feeling in that moment? Like, God, he's just going to like, let it go. He's just not going to do it. He's not going to step up here. And then he, I think he hit a pit. pitching wedge, you know, splashed out that, that shot from the bunker, just really solid shot, lagged it up there, and then goes and stuffs the pin yacht on 17. It was like, oh, my God, no, he is going to do it. It was, uh, it was like in that moment. It's like, oh, my, he's arrived.
Starting point is 00:36:06 He did it. What, what did you guys think of that pin on 16? Because I feel like the Sunday pin, you know, back in the day, maybe they used this one last year too. I'm not sure. But it's always been that kind of front right. I just remember the Ricky Fowler, you know, Ricky Fowler shot in 15, where he just kind of one step over the bulkhead hits one that kind of rolls down into almost like a little bit of a funnel. That was like a big boy pin on 16 today, especially with the way the wind was going, especially with how firm it was. We saw Robert McIntyre try to, I mean, poor guy got those moguls and kind of just tried to hack one on the green and ended up shipping it in the water, which was tough. But I had more asked because of Fitz, like Fitz laid up to, he was farther back than he wanted to be, certainly. usually that shot that third shot into 16 on Sunday especially is not like crazy difficult but it was
Starting point is 00:36:55 tough to tough to get one close to to that pin I don't know if you guys like that one didn't like that one I loved it I wish I had more hands I also love like let's not get too precious with tradition on on all the pins it's like okay sure there's a you know spots for like the Sunday pin on 17 but like I liked seeing them mix up I felt like they mix it up on 18 this year yeah with the pin in the way back. That was so hard. Yeah, yesterday. They made a big deal.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Yeah. And I'm like, let's give me a new look. Because it's like we're playing at the same course every year. I would like to see different looks to almost mix these guys up a little bit too. Do you feel that way about Augusta? On like certain holes, I'd like the pin to be in the same spot. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:37:40 I'd like, I'd be cool if they wanted to mix it up. Yeah. I don't know. They could have looked it up more at Augusta than you might, might think. Like it's not in the, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:49 They broke tradition. They went back right on 16 last year. Backed out by Randy. Yeah. But, you know, it set up was great. Like, just they had it back.
Starting point is 00:38:03 They had it back on that 16th green twice. I think normally they only put it back in that kind of back right once. But in 15 and 16 greens were very, very baked out. Like Ludwig's chip into 15 hit a good chip and just didn't even, think about getting or whatever. Where Cam was in that bunker on 16. Like, I've made quad from there.
Starting point is 00:38:30 That's like maybe the worst place of the golf. Also, again, like in his in his own pitchmark, dropping straight out of that. Yeah. And that's what I was like, that's the moment for me. I'm like, okay. You tried. You rose to the occasion right there more so than for me,
Starting point is 00:38:44 more so there than on 17th. Yeah. Randy, I had this on your, your grade sheet. I gave you a whole pile papers to grade, but just TPC Sawgrass, the players as a whole. I think it's kind of an interesting one. What'd you think this week?
Starting point is 00:38:59 I agree with TC. I thought it was a great setup. I give sawgrass as a whole. I mean, honestly, it kind of is on that A minus line. It's really good. You know
Starting point is 00:39:15 this guy hates give it out of A's. He never gives A's. Yeah. I think couple of things. I think, and this ties in a little to the broadcast, so this isn't like sawgrass's fault necessarily. I think as like 17 is good, right? It's a little overdone in my opinion, just everything about it, especially like on Sunday, like we don't need to keep, I don't know. I think 17's just a touch overdone from my liking. As you guys said, four and 12 are great kind of shorter par fours with a lot of strategy. 12, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Really? These guys hate 12, Randy. Sorry, you may miss that. Oh, well. I mean, it ended up being pretty impactful today. Yeah, I really enjoy it. And I can't figure out why guys don't hit just like iron wedge off the teeth, but I know we kind of touched on that.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I think the tree on six, I think we got to keep lowering it until somebody hits it in competition and then we found our spot where we keep it. So I would like to see the tree limb on six come down a little bit, you know, piece by piece. You should have to go under or over the limb. We're just going to turn into the limbo. I love it. I would be down with that. I really like that idea. Didn't I think Ernie L's hit it one time? 18. Let's let's pinch. Let's pinch 18 a little bit.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Let's get weird there. But overall, I think it's a move our new tea, Randy. Once they put our new tea in up above the water, I think it will be better. Although on that note, on that note, like I actually think 18 today playing downwind is actually harder because guys like Fitz not hard but just challenging in a different way like Fitz's ball like with you I think it's harder to hit certain parts of the fairway for sure
Starting point is 00:41:03 I think Fitz said that afterwards too he almost picked up his tea because he thought it was like money and it just the wind kept it straight didn't draw and it just like it's a really small effective effective window you're trying to hit it in there Because otherwise, you've got to hit it so left and just be preying there. And then Cam had, I know he hit this unbelievable drive.
Starting point is 00:41:24 That was such an awkward shot. So hard. It was like 98 yards whipping straight down, firm, firm green, like pin in the back. Can't go long. Can't go long. You know it's going to have a, yeah, it's just really, really, really hard. I got, this is kind of TPC sawgrass related, but I put together a little, I don't know how we do this. Maybe a little stump the Schwab.
Starting point is 00:41:45 So do you guys think you could predict? which holes had the most water balls in order this week. I think if you make a wrong guess, you're out. Neil, it's your week. I'm going to give you first pick. Which hole had the most water balls this week? I'm going to say 18.
Starting point is 00:42:05 18 is correct. Good stuff. 40. I mean, it's such a hard shot, man. Keep going to. I feel like I saw a ton of them. Actually, I saw a style on the broadcast that the thousandth, on Friday, I think the 1,000th ball had gone to the water.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Yeah, that was good. which was a nice Let's see how deep Neil can go here. All right. So 18 has 40 balls in the water. I'll tell you the next one has 31. Okay. I mean,
Starting point is 00:42:33 hmm. I'm trying to make sure I don't skip up on the front nine. Is it a trick or is? Yeah, I'm going to go 17. 17 is correct. You got it. I was taking through the, the front nine,
Starting point is 00:42:44 making sure I wasn't missing anything. Beautiful mind shit. 17 has 31 balls. The next one, has 30. Only one less than 17. Man. I think yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:59 Because of that massive bunker, I don't think it's 11. I'm going to say and I want to say 13. I'm going to say 16. 16's correct. Wow. You got it.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Oh my God. This is unprecedented. All right. The next one. The mentalist. The next one has 26 balls of the water. Four less than 16. Okay. I'm going to say number four. Good guess. The run is over.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Anybody want to make a guess? 12. 12 is correct. T.C. After that, only one less than 12. This one kind of surprised me. 13. No. You're out. 5?
Starting point is 00:43:53 You're out already. Twice. 11. 11 is correct. You can know you're out. 11 had 25. Next, after that was 4, Neil. After that was 7.
Starting point is 00:44:05 After that was 5. After that was 9. Had 12 balls in the water, as well as 13, had 12 balls in the water. 14 had 9 balls in the water, and 6 only had 2 balls in the water. Shout out to JT. There you go. God, good shit, Neil. That's your, it's your week, man.
Starting point is 00:44:24 And also good shit from TPC, like to have your 16, 17, 18, just be like, 18, 17, 17, yeah, like, yo, man, it's, it's just going to get harder and harder here. Yeah, I just finish. I don't know, you compare a lot of Florida golf courses can really run together. I do think, and maybe I'm just getting old, but TPC is starting to really separate itself as like, just, it does have an iconic, like, look to it, you know, you, I'm on some text threads with my buddies like man this looks so hard you know just it it has that we're talking about on Thursday like the modern the modern art look to it like it's just different looking more more so this year than I felt in the
Starting point is 00:45:02 past I guess was that an overseed uh soundboard there overseed though no no I'm with you that's a setup like that's why we've talked as much as we have in recent years about the soft pillow ass TPC sawgrass that is not the same as what we just witnessed like that's what made the drama of this tournament be unsettled until the back nine and it made that tournament feel really long in the best possible way and I was thinking about this a little bit today guys
Starting point is 00:45:34 I'm not here to do the whole major thing but like this and the quail hollow and Valhalla are not in the same category of championship not even remotely close and PJ has the better field like they have the live guys that's the argument for it but like this is a really really really good championship and it's more of the to your point DC PGA is especially on notice if they're going to elevate it to this level like it is erronomics got a lot a lot of work uh to be considered
Starting point is 00:46:05 a better tournament than that one I actually don't think they could get there then frisco next year like they're gonna get so I think that yeah it's it's fucking pouring here now like we've probably I got an inch of rain since since we hopped on the show. So we timed it up right this year with the tournament. Certainly the weather and the conditions cooperated for the most part with the exception of Thursday midday. But I'll just say, yeah, I thought that like Fucci was was bitching about the pin on 18 last night on Instagram. He took to social media to say how poor that hole was.
Starting point is 00:46:43 I love it when they take to social media. If we're not doing that, man, it's not. a major. Right. Totally. Like those are into key indicators that were moving in the right direction. I think we need to go back and I don't know what time, like what year we need to go back to. But I just know at least the next, the last decade, we need to go back and evaluate what was a major and what wasn't.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Because some years, I think sawgrass was a major. It's a retroactive. Yeah. I think that'd be great. That'd be great pod. we should put that like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like he's only got one he's only got one major because ball hollow was like it wasn't one and yeah we
Starting point is 00:47:24 I think we tested this theory last year like Valhalla is what lifted the lid off for him I don't think can give him the second one because like he he you know he had the monkey office back with the the the not real one so I think I put zander back at zero it's interesting I was you guys think of the sawgrass the uh the berms the the collars this year much much better this year. Like they stopped,
Starting point is 00:47:47 like they didn't stop as many progress, Randy. Progress. I think that's the right word. Especially in the front. Like if you can't control your spin into 17,
Starting point is 00:47:55 especially when that pin is up front, like you should be rolling off into the water. Like that is just, maybe we mow it down on the weekend. Sure. Why does it need to be the same all four days? That's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Good call. Trim that shit up. Randy, I didn't see any balls that were ripping hard that got stopped on any collars of rough. this week. I just think without those collars, the threat of,
Starting point is 00:48:22 if that ball gets away, it's going. Like, that's one of my favorite things about Augusta, right? If I'm thinking of sawgrass as like a real major championship test, like,
Starting point is 00:48:32 man, we should know early where it's like, ooh, that balls are all, and that's not stopping. And I feel like the collars around sawgrass just keep too many balls up for my liking.
Starting point is 00:48:42 I think that's fair. It is, but I just don't know how you do that with if the wind does get up up like it did in 2022 and you don't have anything there like guys are never going to get aboard that great and I know that's what you want
Starting point is 00:48:55 I know it's what you're asking for great right on the same page moving on I love the idea of shaving them down after Friday because today like they teed off they teed off it sunrise today and
Starting point is 00:49:11 couldn't space everything out enough like they still almost didn't get it in before the weather. The pace of play out there, there's just so many spots for train wrecks and for bad stuff to happen. Neil also, I got to just say
Starting point is 00:49:27 those were not blowbyes today from Cam Yong. Those were like the kind of thing that you would wear to like a business function or more like lank-tied dinner. They were, yeah, they were foot joys. Like the blowboys are the bad athletic looking
Starting point is 00:49:43 black shoes. I think by definition it's just like black shoes, you know, in an athletic endeavor. Specifically worn by like a white guy, it looks like you're going to get blown by. It's kind of like the, that's what it comes from basketball. Like he's a blowby alert, you know, like, oh my God, like. And specifically black shoes with like white socks or black shoes with white pants, like a bridgeman, that's a tough look. But Camp's pulling it off, T.C.
Starting point is 00:50:09 And I would agree with you that it's a classier pair of blowbys, but by definition, they are blowbys. I appreciate you, uh, connect to the, there, Neil. Connectivity is truly the bridge to possibility improving the way we move through our daily lives. And AT&T creates connections to what people need to thrive in their everyday lives. Connections to friends, family, work, commerce, education, health, entertainment, and more for 150 years connecting people has been AT&T's calling to find out more. Go to ATT.com. AT&T. Connecting changes everything. Guys, back to our drama. We get to seven. T. Fitz has a one
Starting point is 00:50:47 shot lead. He hits it to about 30 feet or so, middle of the green. Very sporty, solid shot for a Sunday afternoon. And Cam absolutely stuffs the pinata, hits it inside 10 feet, makes the birdie. Neil, we heard him talk about it in the
Starting point is 00:51:03 presser afterwards. He was raving like a lunatic about how it was the absolute perfect club. I believe his exact quote or not exact quote, but I'm paraphrasing was basically that shot could have been a lot harder if I had to take something off a gap wedge. and instead it was just a absolute full smoke
Starting point is 00:51:19 sand wedge. He knew that it was going to have a ton of spin because he was hitting it hard, knew it was going to clear the bunker by one to three yards, I believe was his quote. And then after that, it's just kind of let the green do its thing and let it trickle down to the hole. And that's exactly what
Starting point is 00:51:35 happened. Cody, we haven't heard from you, man. How are you feeling on when he stuffs it in there on 17? Are you running around the house like a like a loon? What are you doing? Gentlemen, welcome. Thank you for having me here. Yeah, it was very exciting time.
Starting point is 00:51:52 I didn't think that that putt was going to go in because as Sully has mentioned before, we've seen these puts that Cam's had in the past and they always just kind of roll right over the edge and when one actually fell after what happened on 16, you know, partly his own doing. Probably shouldn't have booked that long iron in there, but horrible lie. getting out of there with the par and then absolutely stuffing it on on 17 rolling in the put.
Starting point is 00:52:18 I was going crazy. We weren't out of the woods. We weren't. But, you know, Neil, I was kind of with you there. I was like, oh, man, like, Fitz is pimstepping and sketches all over me. Like, my heart is breaking. You know, T.C. is in the Slack still thinking
Starting point is 00:52:36 like something could potentially happen. Like, I just was like, if there was a moment here, this putt was it. and he fucking made it guys it was fucking electric yari was yelling at me uh i was very very pumped well cody at that point i was not
Starting point is 00:52:53 i was i was next to seventeen green watching cam because i knew that pot was for the tournament that was an absolute ripper magoo too i mean so much so much slope in that that was a tough pot cody what's uh as best you can sum it up why is cam your dude i think it goes back to
Starting point is 00:53:14 I think that when you're trying to find who your favorite golfers are, you try to match a little bit of your game in them. Now, I obviously don't have the power that Cam Young does, but he's always just kind of been like the slow grower. He didn't, you know, win every single junior tournament. He didn't come out and win every single college event. I can't believe that you guys compared Cam Young's coming on to the PGA tour to Ludvigs because Cam Young was not at all the prospect.
Starting point is 00:53:44 that Ludwig is. I would say he had a really, really good rookie season, though. That was the comparison I was making. He did. He did make a splash early. And it's very obvious when you watch him.
Starting point is 00:53:54 It's like, whoa, that guy has game. Like because of the power and, you know, the way, basically the way swings it. I think that's the similarity.
Starting point is 00:54:02 He has a beautiful golf swing. And I think, you know, people say that he's like super boring. That was always the thing with Cam Young. He came out and was like top 10 and then majors. And people are like, oh my goodness,
Starting point is 00:54:13 but he shows nothing. And I'm like, well, yeah, like watch his golf game. And you're like, he's just like really good. And he didn't win yet. And it took him a long time to win. But if you look at his career, that's how he's always progressed. And then obviously we got to spend time with him. And it was awesome through our relationship with Omni and like playing golf with him and talking.
Starting point is 00:54:34 You know, I was geeking out. And then it turns out to like he was geeking out because he was super into my background and everything. We just like hit it off. And it's been awesome. I'm just super happy for him. he's uh yeah i know i know you got to be careful like how much you play that card because it's like i know you guys are watching somebody that seems pretty boring but man i don't know spent a little bit of time with him and he's like he's pretty awesome he's pretty
Starting point is 00:54:56 good man he's pretty funny smart switched on guy that like i've always really enjoyed spending time with and i've just yeah i found myself after 18 today just like weirdly happy for someone i don't really know all that well you know just a guy that i i really have grown to root for in a in a big way. No social media, Randy, which is also sick. It's one of those opt it out. Weird things, though, too. Like, so much of you base, so much of your fanhood, based on
Starting point is 00:55:24 their personalities on camera on the golf course, not being able to hear them. Totally, man. That's how people find their favorite players is like, do you like their mannerisms and attitudes and aura on the golf course? And he doesn't give you much. I was like, please smile. After winning, I want you to walk off 18.
Starting point is 00:55:40 Let me see a smile. I want to see a smile. I want to see some relief. I want to see what this means, to you and he just he doesn't let you don't do it that's not his style it's crazy i think it's like the exact same personality as 99% of the people in my former job had yeah we just don't really show much we're there to do the work and you know i forever we used to say can'tly was part of the treadstone program no like cam young is treadstone like he is that with you there he uh i think it's it's almost old school and that like going beyond him not having social media it's just like he just lets his clubs do the talking and people resonate with his golf swing.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Like I think that that's a big thing. People just like watching him play golf because it's rhythmic and like it's just, his swing just makes you feel something. And I think that's something that growing up, that was how you identify with players. It wasn't, you know, who, who did this or that as far as social media or interviews or whatever. It was like, whose swing did you like watching on the Saturday? and Sunday afternoon telecasts, right? And it's kind of a throwback in that regard in a great way.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Well, it reminds me so much of, Randy, I'm sure you feel this way too. Actually, I don't know how you feel about Cam Young, but it reminds me of so many baseball players, right? Where it's just like, I watch that guy every night and like, man, I love watching that guy play baseball. I don't think he thinks, you know, what do you think his favorite movie is? I'm like, oh, I have no fucking idea. I've never thought about once about him. Yeah, but he's like, he's sick. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:57:12 It just is like an avatar for the sport that I love. Are you a cam guy? Randy, where are you fall out on this? Yeah, well, listen, full transparency, I was not on the trip. I've never met him in person. So I don't have like the personal connection to him that certainly Cody does. I think guys like Kim Young, Dij, I think it's a good analogy with baseball players, right, that don't give you much.
Starting point is 00:57:37 I think they get more interesting as they win bigger events and put themselves in bigger position. So I think like my interest in Cam Young is just naturally growing as his game has improved and as he's putting himself in these big situations. So certainly not somebody like I root against. I have no ill will and everything you guys say like seems like an awesome guy. I think that style is and a lot like Ludwig, honestly, that that style becomes more interesting in the bigger moment. So win or lose, I think that's kind of where I am. Can I ask you guys a question? I think, sorry, real quick, though.
Starting point is 00:58:17 I think TC also whitewashed my early childhood adoration for Chi Chi Rodriguez with the, you know, we would just base him on great, Chi Chi. Yeah. I love really when he would do the sword fighting. Yeah. Well, Cam, I, big. I'm kind of right there. You know, I thought about this a lot of like, why does Cam resonate with me?
Starting point is 00:58:38 I mean, and a lot of it's the same way, like, why Phil resonated with me for a long time. Obviously, Phil was winning PJ tour events a lot more than Cam has so far. But he was always the guy that, like, tried to hit the big shot. And usually it didn't work out. But it was like, oh, man, he tried it. It's doing stuff. And, like, nobody else. Most people would hit fucking iron on 12, you know?
Starting point is 00:59:01 That's my favorite thing. If guys are just like, yeah, and it finally works. He had iron. You're shitting on. You're not going to love for the same thing, Randy. I never shit on Loveickford for not. I can't understand why guys don't hit driver wedge on 12, but I ignore the 12 example. Okay.
Starting point is 00:59:19 You know what I mean, though. But rather play it, save, protect the paycheck. Camas's guy that, like, he will try to hit that shot. Yeah. You know? And it finally, like, it took a long time and getting into Wyndham specifically. But I think from Wyndham up until this point, his golf game is a hell of a lot different than it was his first two and a half, three years on tour.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Yeah. I think there's something to this part, too, of why I think Kim has a little bit of juice. And I wrote this question down before he came back in one. And so maybe it's an easier answer now than it was midday today. But who's the second best American golfer in the world? Use your own criteria. Like, I don't care what the stats say.
Starting point is 00:59:59 Like, in your opinion, who's the second best American golfer? because I before he even won today I think my answer was Cameron Young you could take him over Xander over who sorry I'm breaking up over Zander it's a great question
Starting point is 01:00:19 I mean that's or I mean I'm Bryson you know like I guess you're thinking like past or future Henley but the thing is it's interesting T seems like he's coming that quick too yeah
Starting point is 01:00:33 yeah Henry doesn't do this he's two he's level you know I don't think him leaves in the conversation. Colin, we haven't talked about. Solly, you bring up a good point. And as I'm interpreting your point is there is an opportunity. There's a bit of a vacuum.
Starting point is 01:00:49 And I agree with you. Like in American golf, like there's a vacuum of like, I kind of had it on the list of like there's no, Dej, you know I love talking about the kid. Like there isn't, the only nomination you have right now is Akshay.
Starting point is 01:01:01 But he's already, he's been around so damn long. He feels like, you know, he's a team's 28. So he's not the kid either. He's got three kids. But my, point is there's no there's a vacuum right now on the younger side of american golf Colin
Starting point is 01:01:13 has you know abstained like Jordan and j t are just you know j t's coming back he had a good week i think that's promising but jordan's close i'm i'm hearing from my colleagues here that he's close uh but i think what what i'm hearing is there is a vacuum on the american side of like there there's room for more dudes if if you want and he has the potential i don't want to bastardize your dude definition, but he has potential to be one. He definitely has the, you know, the, the, the, the makings, the potential to be one. I, I have thought a ton recently, really since, like, I don't know, pebble, I guess, about that exact thing, like, who's the American dude. And part of it is, like, the dudes don't have, they don't have massive, like,
Starting point is 01:02:01 the kid has to have some personality. Yeah. Right. And, you know, there are really good young American players, they're just kind of like Jacob Bridgman and Ryan Gerard and, you know, some of these guys who are not great players, DC. But they're, you know, they're not really going to, I don't know if they're going to get the people sawgrass, you know, eight sawgrass splashes deep really going out there, necessarily. But let me, let me take that though,
Starting point is 01:02:29 Dege and take it a step farther. I think you, you're either like, you go the Bryson route and you have all this social media. this person out or the max route and you're just like you're kind of a media darling or cam young's almost zagging yeah as hard as possible where it's like man i am just not going to engage at all i'm not going to get stuck in the middle here and and that makes him feel different and i think that's what attracts people to him is like man this guy's a mystery i don't know anything about him he seems like a killer he seems like he's in treadstone cody like this guy is scary and that's that is it's an
Starting point is 01:03:03 identity that i think it's missing it's so funny that he does tGL i don't get why he does tgl i don't get white that's TG. He lives there. That's true, I guess. Sally and I play with him too. Like we, I know. We've played with them in these,
Starting point is 01:03:14 in these different environments. He stung for me. That he's not going to be my second best golfer. Sali, I think that you're being a little unfair to Bryson. Like, Bryson's bagged some big ass tournaments. And I think that.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Not like resume in the past. Like, who's the second? Right now. Right now. Dude, I think like if you, if you went out there, like if Bryson would have teed it up at Sawgrass this week and I get that he didn't and I know why he didn't
Starting point is 01:03:42 but like no but like next month at the Masters or at a Ronamink or whatever like Bryson is leaps and bounds for like we're talking about a small subset of sicko golfers here Bryson is leaps and bounds ahead of Cam from a from a popularity and fan engagement and just reaction perspective. All totally true. No, that wasn't the question. So is Tiger Woods. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:09 But it's like, I think Cam versus Bryson at the master. Orvat, like that wasn't the question. I think Tiger or Tiger. I think Bryson versus Cam Young heads up Masters bet is pretty interesting. Right now, Bryson's 16 to 1 to win the Masters, Cameron 25 to 1. Zander's. I mean, I'm just saying Bryson last year finished like, all right, Bryson's last eight majors, T6, solo second, first, T5, T2, cut, T10.
Starting point is 01:04:44 Cam's got T9, T63, T67, T31, T-Cut, T-47, T-4, cut. I just think we're... The question was not who has had the best last couple years in major championships. Oh, I get it. I understand the question. I just think that... I just think that Bryson, like, I'm not... Like, I think we're having way too short of a memory here for Bryson.
Starting point is 01:05:09 As far as, like, yes, he maybe hasn't played great in the last three to six months, but we haven't seen him in a major in the last three to six months. And I feel like we need to see him in a major before we have, like, let's have this conversation after the Masters. We can. The answer was for right now. And Bryson doesn't play on a consistent competitive level against consistent competition enough to, like, what Cameron just did is more impressive than winning.
Starting point is 01:05:35 three live events. Totally. I couldn't agree more. I'm just saying that the last three times that Bryson's teed it up against, last four times that Bryson's teed up against legitimate competition. He's played quite well.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Much better than K. And T.C., though, I'm actually surprised that your argument was for Bryson and not P. As the second best American. Three or four times. Four times. Four and five, champ.
Starting point is 01:06:01 I mean, I can't believe you didn't bring P up as the second best American Walter. He's more of a citizen of the world these days. You know, he's playing everywhere. Over the last six months, or basically dating back to the beginning of August last year, Stroke's gain-wise. Scotty 3.21,
Starting point is 01:06:17 Cam Young, 2.30. Russell Henley, 1.9 for top Americans over the last six months, or whatever that would is back to the beginning of August. When he switched golf balls, like when he became this guy, that's the thing is like, this happened after major season last year for him, in terms of transforming himself as a player.
Starting point is 01:06:35 And we'll see what happens when we get to the big events. But it's just an interesting, interesting question right now. Can I ask a dumb question? Please. Is this a hot streak for Cam or is this a new level? Or that's the whole question. New level, new devil. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:51 So I had some stats that I, Cody, I sent you a graphic from day to golf because my eyes, DG brought up that Cam was third and strokes gained approach. But I found today and yesterday, Paige McKeague, Kenzie brought it up on live from this morning. I thought it was a good point. He seems to struggle from like a hundred, but 80 to 120, which is a shot for how far he hits it. Like it's like, man, that kind of feels like it should be the, you know, something we're trending on. So this is a stat, these are from data golf, like the approach breakdown stuff. The trend is not great. So the two-year trend and the last 12 months compared to those two, like he's, he's just way down in like,
Starting point is 01:07:35 proximity, greens and regulations slightly down, but just like not dialed with wedges. Now, his bad shot avoidance is good. It's not like he's, you know, off the planet. But like it kind of lined up with my eye test the last couple days where it's like, oh, man, we got to do a little bit better. Now, at the end of the day, 17 and 18, he stuff, you know, he hit two really good shots when he absolutely needed it. But I'm thinking about like 15.
Starting point is 01:08:01 I'm thinking about earlier in the round where like I think on 9 he had a wet, no, 90 was in the wilderness, but there were just a lot of wedges where I'm like, God, we have to get closer than that. Like, what are we doing? And it does feel TC to use an analogy, like he's throwing a little bit with the, you know, the top of the bag. Like, it's not, he's so long. And that's the toughest part to be in the long is you have to dump a bunch of speed with your
Starting point is 01:08:27 wedges. That's a really hard skill to learn. He also probably didn't love that trend line didn't look. great to me. If I was picking, like, and the reason I bring it up is like, yeah, he won the tournament, so who cares? And then I'm like, okay, third strokes gained. So, you know, approach. But if I'm thinking, Randy, to your question, is this a hot streak? It's like, it doesn't feel, when those clubs aren't super dialed, it feels hard to be sustainable because proximity is kind of like the name of the game. I would caution just the sample size of what you're using for that, Neil, because like if you look at that, that was for 2020. That was for 2020. and I look at it for 2025 as well. And he's definitely, he's way, way down just compared to other players.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I don't know exactly what goes into, I just on his actual page that they do like a breakdown of like his expected skill from certain areas. And I don't know what the aging is on shots like that. But from 100 to 150, they have him as like a 90th percentile player. You know, he's green through the bag on approach shots. Like he's an excellent, his excellent approach. I would put the question to you guys.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Like, did you, until literally the last two holes, did you feel like he was like lagging irons this week? You know, hitting it close with wedges this week. Like I didn't think that until the very end of the tournament. I felt like he was always a threat as somebody that had a Cameron Young 30 to one ticket and was sweating that out very much throughout the course of this week. Like, I never felt like. like we were out of it, you know.
Starting point is 01:10:05 If you click the breakdown button up near the top right there next to the, the Pentagon up there, Cody, that'll show the approach skill by category. But, you know, it was firm out there. It was a really tough test. Like it's, it wasn't a dart fest, you know. So it, uh, what was a good wedge shot this week that might not look the same as what like a good wedge shot might look on a week to week basis on tour. So that's something else is now that he's putting much better than he has,
Starting point is 01:10:34 historically. I think that relieves so much pressure on your wedges mentally, like psychologically of feeling like you have to jam it in there within four feet in order to make a birdie instead of, oh no, like I'm, I have a pretty good shot at making this from anything inside 12 or 15. I would love
Starting point is 01:10:50 to get a putting breakdown. Dej, if I had one of these photos shoots this year and cams there, take me to the putting green sir. What have you changed? I would love to learn about it. A couple things. I think Faxon had a great note about about his friend that's been caddian for him for the last, I mean, basically since Swindham, right?
Starting point is 01:11:08 Or has been that one? The Canadian Open. So just before the hot streak started, who, you know, Faxon said it a couple times. But basically like, oh, he's not reading any of his puts. Like, he just, he's got his buddy on the bag because he's the best green reader that he knows. And he's just, you know, I'm sure it's an oversimplification, like kind of, you know, exaggeration. But he's basically like, oh, he reads the greens. He tells me where to hit it and I hit it. And I've been putting a lot better. So it might truly be one of those things where it's just like, was a bad green reader or wasn't jiving with the past caddies or who knows. Being illiterate, Dej. I feel you. What strikes me about that,
Starting point is 01:11:46 tying it back to what Randy said earlier is like, is this a hot streak or as he changed the floor, is what I would say, like, zooming way out is like, wow, he's just been like putting his face off. So like, that's kind of where the most improvement has come from. So if that continues, then the floor's gone up, but like, do that ever, does that ever continue? Like forever? I don't know if that just like, if that switch just. Because Xander flits, right? Like guys make putts for six months, eight months, kind of a year sort of thing. But I don't think it's like, oh, that guy used to suck. And now he just became the best putter in the world for like 12 straight years. I mean, I guess Scottie's kind of doing that right now. I would argue his ball striking flip to. I mean, his approach,
Starting point is 01:12:27 if you look at his approach graph, you know, since this time last year, it looks at, like a completely different shape. Like it was going the wrong direction. Now it's, it's going a completely different direction. Same with off the T game. He went from a okay driver around this time last year to back to being really, really, really good on top of completely flipping everything about putting.
Starting point is 01:12:46 It's, man, this is where like you got to balance out. Of course, we're sponsored by this company and I, we do ads for this. But like, this is like a magic golf ball for him.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Like he switched to this golf ball. He was in a, like, you know, ignore the ad part because he was in a title of golf ball before this as well. But whatever he changed, this change that he has made, it correlates perfectly with a complete and total makeover of his game. And won twice since it had never won before.
Starting point is 01:13:13 Now he's won twice, including the players and played a ton of good golf in between that. And the Ryder Cup. Yeah, and the Ryder Cup had that moment. I kind of just think that's hard to think that it's a hot streak. At this time last year, what do you think his day to golf ranking was during the Players' Week last year? 41. I'll say 28.
Starting point is 01:13:37 108. Whoa. Yes. Whoa. Yeah. It's not just putting. I mean, it's,
Starting point is 01:13:44 it's a master class of ball striking. He's one of the best ball strikers in the world, and now he puts the shit out of it. It's, it's a really, really scary evolution. And we'll say, just to clear some of that up.
Starting point is 01:13:58 So Kyle Serbinski, he's his college, roommate. They played, uh, they played a weight together. So he's not just a friend that's out there. Like, he's a very accomplished golfer. So I hope people don't think that like, Cam just has a random guy that's carrying his golf bag out. This guy just, I'm on the player. He just, he's kind of like a beautiful mind. But it is very interesting because we've seen kind of the evolution that Cam has gone through with with caddies. And like he, I think he got advice. It was like, remember the Paltissori, uh, period? Whereas like, he has to be with this
Starting point is 01:14:30 professional caddy, this veteran who can help guide and steer him around out there. And really, it's just like, no, he just needs to be with his buddy who like can help him out, read some puts every once in a while. And like, they just work really well together. Dude, Cody, I had, I was out at Bel Air and my catty out there, Scott McKean. Same thing. Played played college golf with Cam. And then cattyed for him his first, I don't know, three, four years as a professional. And like, it was the same thing. Like it was his buddy, also like, really good player like played you know played a bunch of uh mini horse stuff and and you know was was a really good player at wake but yeah like he's it's it's kind of like like once another dude on
Starting point is 01:15:11 the bag that he can that he can vibe with and hang out with as well i guess guys i struggle a little bit with like people and maybe this is just because i root for these people people seem to be like really really just jumping like chomping at the bit to shit on ludvin or to shit on like Cam, Cam didn't win for, I think it's more you T.C. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:37 They want to shit on you, T.C. Let's, let's not vilify. People are like, oh, Zander's a dog. Zander's a dude. Zander choked away a bunch of majors and a bunch of tournaments. Remember Augusta?
Starting point is 01:15:48 Well, are we talking about Ludwig, or are we talking about Zander? No, we're just talking about, generally speaking. Like, I think people need to have patience with these guys's careers. Like, it's not like,
Starting point is 01:15:57 I don't think. No, thank you. No, thank you. Is that, Randy? Nicholson was your favorite player for, for, for, for, I know. And there was no patience with him, right? The whole media arc was like, this guy can never win the big one. You had patience.
Starting point is 01:16:11 You know what I mean? And do you believe in this guy or not? And evident, you guys don't believe in Ludwig. It's, it's crazy. We do. 100% believe in Lutvig. TC. There wasn't even a question that preceded whatever you're on right now.
Starting point is 01:16:26 No, it's been, I've been stewing on this for the last half hour. put your own target on your back and you shot at it. That's what everybody's so mad. I mean, who's done this? Who lit the match on this? Got to learn how to close the door. We all just need to cool. We all just need to cool down. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:42 Why is everything so hyperbolic about Ludwig? I don't understand. I'm buying up all the stock that you guys are selling. What did you say at Slack today that all the haters, nobody believed it of this week? I fucking finished third last
Starting point is 01:16:59 Last week. Ludwig. Ludwig. Yeah. T's like, you guys were shitting all over. I just have no time for the Xander people that are like, oh, this guy won a fake major at Valhalla.
Starting point is 01:17:11 And he choked away some stuff. You really are laughing out. 32 or 34. Yeah, it's, it's ridiculous. That's the real. I'm sure him and him and came. What about the files?
Starting point is 01:17:27 I'm not worried about Ludwig. at all. I think he's I think he's all right great get us back on the rails here. You know we have not talked about Matt Fitzpatrick barely at all guys
Starting point is 01:17:37 almost won the golf tournament came up one shot short. I just had this stat that I kept kind of going back to missed the fairway at 18 he drove the shit out of the ball this week he led the field in fairways hit
Starting point is 01:17:50 he missed the fairway at 18 all four days. I think he missed like 12 fairways 13 total fairways and he missed that one all four days just a shot that clearly like was in his head. He played the 18th three over for the week. But not a guy that, you know, T.C., I think you said this,
Starting point is 01:18:08 what was that last night, maybe? Just a guy that like seems like he would play Pete Dygolff courses really, really well. And also just like wasn't on my mind until, you know, really like that we made the turn. Where it was like, oh shit, Fitz, Fitz is going to win this. And yeah, just I was struck and you guys take it in any direction you want. bit truly struck by the move he was putting on the driver. He looked like he was putting every ounce
Starting point is 01:18:36 he had into it correlated with how fucking straight he was hitting the driver. And how low? Just bullets, man. It was so impressive from him today. But one more thing about Ludwig. I just don't understand. I'd say
Starting point is 01:18:50 impressive round run 70, round 269, 68. Just kind of there all week. quietly and just yay charge of leader I don't Matt Fitzpatrick he is not scared but you know he's just he's got like it was such a juxtaposition he's got no swag like I like Fitzpatrick but it's just kind of like
Starting point is 01:19:11 it's not it's not the most exciting golf package that you're going to get you know I was like oh Fitzpatrick gonna win that kind of feels like a dumping cold water on this watching Ludwig gas it away he's also he's also kind of the poster boy for this tournament too. Like we kept
Starting point is 01:19:32 joking in the preview. Like, has anybody ever played well here? He finished T9 in 2021. So top tens. Misses the cut. Misses the cut. finishes fifth. Misses the cut. finishes second. It's just like, yeah, that's kind of TBC songgrass right there.
Starting point is 01:19:48 I felt bad for fits kind of with the jingoism came out there near the end, as reported by our own TC of I knew. I had a feeling he was going to missed the puddle on 18 and I was like they're gonna they're gonna cheer when he misses it and that's just that's tough that's not we're about unfortunately might be what we're about but there's no uh there's no I don't know I like fits he's a really easy guy to root for um it is interesting when
Starting point is 01:20:14 he talks he's you know you are right Neil he's not oozing swag I like him too I am dissing him but he doesn't have any swag the aesthetic yeah because it's kind of dump games interesting sketchers all. Yeah. I'm a fitz fan. The Skechers make blowbys? They might exclusively make blowbys. It's only the Romo collection out of it.
Starting point is 01:20:35 Yeah. He did handle it well, you know, said, like, they got a long ways to go before it turns into Beth Page out there. He was smiling about it even, you know, on 18T. Like, he handled it really, really well. And I was, I don't know, still rooting for Cam in that moment just because of the excitement factor of the comfort behind and things like that. But I was a little gutted.
Starting point is 01:20:54 And to be honest, we were also rooting for no playoff. Yes. Just because weather. We're commercial old media people now at this point. It would have been. It would have nuked our night and nuke tomorrow. So that was all good, good for business. Yeah, he was definitely like it got somewhat partisan there, 16, 17, 18.
Starting point is 01:21:14 And then 18T, it really ramped up. He was taking it fine. Like he was, he was smiling about it. He was laughing about it in good spirits. And I think, A, I think we, Randy, you've been on this block a little bit. I think we need to bring bullying back. Like some of the shit that people, that people yell in these galleries is, is, is, is so
Starting point is 01:21:35 uncreative and bad and stuff. And like, if you do that, like, you should be fair game. Like, all right, cool. Like, you know what? Shut the fuck up, man. You know, like, just just. 100% TC. Those people are trying to bring bullying back, you know.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Yeah. And then I think, and then I think also, you know, you know, If Keegan, Keegan finished T50. I think if Keegan would have been one of those final groups, I think we would have lost control of the situation. And Keegan would have been a culprit. Your guy, your captain. Sol it would have been pumping people up.
Starting point is 01:22:10 Yeah, more. Come on, harass them. We need it. T.C., this kind of sounds suspiciously like you're about to start going down the leaderboard, which is I think exactly what we should probably do, Cody, unless you got something before that. I just want to give one big shout out. fits. I know that
Starting point is 01:22:26 that sucks. That's not the way that he wanted to finish on 18, but the first thing that he did was walk over and say congratulations to Cam's family, which is awesome to see. And he mentioned in his post around presser that surprisingly they're like, yeah, we're on the same TGL team together. Crazy
Starting point is 01:22:42 how much TGL impacted. They were like old trends out there. It was crazy. You know, guys, for TGL team mates. Yeah. I love. I'm in the sim together, man. Yeah. Like the modern weight room now. I'll say this too for fits like bogeing 18 on a course that has a very real 18th hole is different than like giving one away as well. I mean, it's like a fucking hard asshole.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Yeah. And if you're going to give away a tournament by bogey and the 18th, I feel like that course is like number one list. Like that's kind of in the models. 100%. I actually, again, TC, I've been thinking more about your wind take. I agree with what you're saying on the downwind on 18. I think it's. That's where like I, I mean, I'll stick up.
Starting point is 01:23:24 for Xander in that like hitting the iron there against your stuff. I know everybody's been coming at Zander lately I can't believe out man in the water. It's Xander's been getting. No, but I'll stick up for Zander for hitting iron off that
Starting point is 01:23:38 T and leaving himself. A lot. A lot. Like that's, that was the right play. Yeah, it's not it's a little hitting a driver up the left. Yeah, it's not easier downwind. You could get to the spot where a fairway wood would get with iron when it's downwind.
Starting point is 01:23:51 You have a long ways in. And that shot's also going to be, at least somewhat downwind as well. But it is hard to hit the fairway. You got to get a ballsyer route with driver downwind, I think, is the full answer. It's much more cinched up up there. You have to be more decisive. Cam's drive was absurd tied for the lead of the players.
Starting point is 01:24:13 Again, going first and not knowing what's going to happen behind him. That's another thing, too, that like, again, I know we're back on Cam, but that had to drive a little bit of, oh, shit and fits. Like, I might need three here now to stay in this after that T-shot. Oh, it was like, yeah, what did Hicks say longest of the day by 20 yards? I think Rory hit one like 359 and Cam's was 375. As long as did history. Yeah, unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:24:40 All right, T.C., let's go down the leaderboard. Of course, tonight's down the leaderboard is brought to you by our friends at SoFi, the Ultimate Finance app. Thank you to them for sponsor. Tonight's Down the Leaderboard segment with Mr. T.C. sophy.com slash nLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with sophy plus tc we've talked cameo we've talked fits we've talked zander we have not talked big shop bob yeah big shop bob and sudarshan had the they were what low low men on the
Starting point is 01:25:09 weekend uh 65 69 for for the great man big shot bob uh he made so many birdies this weekend. He made what nine yesterday. And it's like he made six today. He made 15 birdies at TPC sawgrass in the weekend. It's, that's remarkable. Robert. Back to back top tens for him at the players as well. Yeah. Big Shot Bob keeps popping around. He keeps doing his thing. Like I think he, he might snag a major. I'm, I'm nervous. He got zero point zero percent respect on our best players without a major podcast. Didn't even think about him. T.C. Who do you think the best lefty in the world is right now? Oh.
Starting point is 01:25:53 I mean, it's Bob because Akshay's anchoring. Oh, interesting. And, like Randy, your, your Akshay take that, like, lefties play well at Augusta and Oxy is going to win the most. His take was that Occe will be the next lefty to win in Augusta. Yeah, that was his take. Do you feel at all similar with, with a big shop, Bob? I do.
Starting point is 01:26:15 He's got to look. as does Soudar, Sean. I'm not familiar with his game until today. Yeah, Big Shot Bob. I think Big Shot Bob consistently outplays my expectations for him. So I have a lot of respect for him. And he will always be one of my favorites because I wonder Dege if he was purging at all this evening. Or if this was a good enough result that he didn't have to.
Starting point is 01:26:44 He famously gives himself an hour just to absolutely. go mental after tournaments if he's upset. God, I just talk about something I completely forgot about it. What did he tell you that? No, it was in a press conference? Was it like, I don't think he's like trashed hotel rooms necessarily, but that was almost
Starting point is 01:27:01 like how it was pitched. Like, I just, I go back and I give myself an hour, I just go nuts. I just get it all out. Like, what the fuck does that do? Can you imagine if he went and trashed a hotel room at the sacred sawgrass Marion? Exactly. I know. Especially under new ownership, T. Bob struggles
Starting point is 01:27:17 a little bit like Fitzpatrick just a bad aesthetic just you know just has never found in the shirts it's so tough yeah so tough I think I think Bob needs I think Tommy needs to take Bob under his wing like hey I would be come leave Nike with me I just
Starting point is 01:27:33 I do you think Nike is recommending like is it an inside joke with him like yo let's see if he says yes to the orange shirt how about let's see if he says yes to the brown one and he does it's like Nike it's a joke or something famously stopped making clubs quite a few years ago this might just be like old stuff from the warehouse that they're like I don't know we got
Starting point is 01:27:50 just send them all this stuff from like 2017 it's like when Luke got there used to give us yeah exactly stuff teach exactly exactly it's funny with McIntyre because it's like obviously he's a world-class player and one of the best in the world but because of the aesthetic I'm kind of like can you really get it airborne can you can you can you hit a five iron up in the air like and a lecture you know that always looks that always are you sure you have all the shots really Are we going to keep moving, T.C. Yeah, sorry. All right.
Starting point is 01:28:18 The guy that got his money right this week, Soudarhan, Yala Miraju. Guys, he made his career earnings to this point, $881,000. He made $925,000 this week. And there's no state income tax in Florida as well. Huge. I didn't even put two and two together there.
Starting point is 01:28:40 Yeah. Yeah. So that's a substantial. It got him inside the Aon Next 10. and he is up to 30th in the FedEx Cup. As a rookie, coming off to Corn Ferry Tour, someone who can't dictate his schedule and get ahead of it. That to me is like, that's remarkable.
Starting point is 01:28:58 And finishing T5 is basically, I think there's more stuff that comes with that as well. And not really playing like awesome golf coming into this either. I mean, he had a great year on the Corn Ferry Tour last year. But yeah, like you said, kind of inconsistent starts and hasn't really taken advantage when he, when he has gotten, you know, to play, had a good,
Starting point is 01:29:17 good week at Sony, but other than that, it's been a little. 66, 68 on the weekend is. Yeah. I mean, DT was 67th in the FedEx
Starting point is 01:29:24 coming into this week. Yeah, I was up the 30th. Like, he was T13 in Hawaii, T17 at the Cognizant. But like, yeah,
Starting point is 01:29:33 going like one of the guys that went to Puerto Rico last week instead of going to Bay Hill, you know, and then comes into the players and plays well. So immense respect for that. So, yeah. he's our get get your money right guys speaking of which we have a new fedex cup number one
Starting point is 01:29:51 hell yeah the bridgeman went from third to one randy does i mean how does that make you feel all kinds of things tc i'm i'm gonna need a little time to process it's sprung it on me i'm just getting word uh i didn't know that uh bridgman was felt like such a what what could have been this week. He's 10 shots to the field. Bad shots and then he bounced back and hits a good. I know. I just, I think he's really, really good. Yeah. I do too. Uh, we talked Ludwig plenty. Tommy. He's got he. You see how perfect was this, man. The most non-competitive top 10 of his career potentially. It was special stuff. This elegance. He's like one of the new Formula One cars. He's harvesting energy into these turns.
Starting point is 01:30:43 He's charging up the batteries, Neil, because he's going to need all that energy for Shinnecock and Burkdale this year. All right. What did Sep do down the stretch? Sepp finished T8, but what did he do? We'll get there. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 01:30:58 So he's got a specific one, but just largely like, just drove it horrible, I think, this week, didn't he? It was like a guy that usually drives it, like, really, really straight. And he just was all over the map and just kept somehow making enough birdies to stick around. But an overperform week,
Starting point is 01:31:14 I think, for our guy, Giuseppe Straka. Mr. Oakes. J.T. You guys buying stock? T.8? I have no idea. I was going to ask you guys that, too. I had that as a big takeaway question. Does J.T. win this year? I don't have a clue.
Starting point is 01:31:28 72, 72 on the weekend, kind of ran out of gas a little bit, 68, 68, and then backed up. I'll say this. I felt, I felt like J.T. felt more mature this. week. I thought he was really patient. He had some bad stuff
Starting point is 01:31:44 happened. He caused it to happen, so it wasn't like it happened to him. But I thought he played really patient, and I think he is going to win this year. This was promising coming off back surgery. I thought this was a very promising week for him.
Starting point is 01:32:01 And coming off of 79, 79. Yeah. It's a good question. It's, I mean, the questions, like, the questions, hey, is Scottie going to start hoovering up tournaments again and leave not very many for a lot of guys to win? It would be the reason I would say, I'd be surprised if he won this year,
Starting point is 01:32:19 just because he's going to be in all the big events, the ones that are pretty hard to win. I think JT wins this week at Valspar. Okay, there you go. Yeah. I think he likes that golf course. The field for Valspar is like low-key pretty good. I think that's going to be a sneaky great tournament this week.
Starting point is 01:32:37 T-11, Patrick Rogers. uh inside the inside the inside the a on next 10 inside the top 30 do we put you in a dumpster yeah i got yeah i was saying i think kind of you know nothing nothing but find things to say about patrick rogers kind of had the ski mask on this week just an anonymous yeah give me give me all the money give me 600 grand to put it in this pillowcase so we get out of here uh yeah he's kind of morphed into a mule over the last few years which just like i i was actually talking to the data guy the data golf guys about him. And they were like, it's crazy.
Starting point is 01:33:13 His career progression, he's just stayed Tor average as the Tor average skill level has gotten better and better and better. He's just stayed right there at Tor average. I don't know if you can calm a mule. He's in the Siggy's. I know, but he's just like he never really sniffs winning.
Starting point is 01:33:31 It's kind of like New Age Cam Tringale, right? It's a good comp. I wonder if he is a what if that we'll, would never know, but obviously coming off like an insane college career, insane junior career. I wonder if he's one of those runs. If he's one of those guys that like, you know, if he lucks into a some win early in his career, I wonder if he has a totally different air about about it, you know, and just like gets started on a different trajectory. Well, you know, he came out on tour off top of your head.
Starting point is 01:34:00 20, 2014. 11. 2015. Yeah. He's been, it's never lost his card. I know. It's, it's, Who was the other guy you play with at Stanford? Cameron Wilson. Yeah. Guy was so good too. And he became, yeah, I don't know what happened to him. I think he was, wasn't he like a rocket scientist or something? He was super smart, I think.
Starting point is 01:34:21 Anyway, Brian Harmon, Neil, you called, you know, Harmon got blown out to see a little bit today, 73, you know, T-11. Sam Burns, pretty solid. He had 76, then three rounds in the 60s to bounce back. That was kind of a weird stink. for him day one.
Starting point is 01:34:41 He tied with Akshay, Brooks, the weekend, Russell Henley, the great man team Rose, Austin Smotherman, Corey Connors, and Victor Hovland, all at T-13. A very good steady week for Akshay
Starting point is 01:34:53 coming off the dub. Yeah, 71, 71, 7070. Yeah. Brooks, is he over-delivering, under-delivering, or just kind of in line with what your expectations were?
Starting point is 01:35:08 I mean, I thought this was good. That's a tick over delivering, I think. Yeah. Over delivering because he lowered the bar quite low in terms of like the form that he, this version of Brooks is far from impressive as a, as the golfer that we know him as. But a couple nice weeks switched to the mallet and getting back in Florida and getting off Poa. And I mean, T-13th to players, man, that's 120 man feel with a cut.
Starting point is 01:35:35 Four very serious rounds of major like. test being can't let him sneak up come major time. It's good enough play that you have to at least sound the alarm bells and we cannot go 35 minutes into the Masters preview without mentioning them, which I don't think I would have said
Starting point is 01:35:52 like three weeks ago. So I think it's a really solid trend. I agree. I think, I mean, he kind of wrecks his rig on 18. He doubled the last hole. Otherwise, he would have been easy top 10 as well. He had won Miles right on 18. guys the weekend is really good
Starting point is 01:36:10 hits out soon a like that was a big takeaway i had from on site this week i watched him play a few holes the apex is high the the speed is there he goes after it yeah like he's just my lineups this week gun he uh he hit one on 18 solid today he hit one 341 up the left side he had 120 25 yards in he's got some he's got some he's got got some bear there. Got some pop. Good week for Austin.
Starting point is 01:36:43 Smotherman there at T-13. Scotty, T-22. Randy, what was your Scotty grade this week? Oh, you guys are going to hate me for this. I actually take more good from this week than bad. I have them like, be minded. I don't hate you for that. I hate you for it.
Starting point is 01:37:03 I hate you, Randy. Yeah. I hate your guts. I think clearly fighting it. showing where the floor is. I mean, the floor remains high. I trust him.
Starting point is 01:37:18 I think he'll, whatever he's got to figure out, I trust him and figure out. That chippy hit on 16 today. I don't know. Oh, sick. Dirty, dirty, dirty. That was one of my shots of the day.
Starting point is 01:37:31 Yeah, I'm high on him. I'm not hitting the panic button, as I said, Friday. Is he going to play Houston? You took words out of my mouth, T.C. we see him again do we see rory again we got three events was it valspar houston and then uh what's the other texas event palero i think more likely just because it's texas that you see scotty uh i don't think we see roary i agree with you his his quote was i'll see i haven't
Starting point is 01:38:00 really made a decision either way i'll see how my body feels we'll see how i feel in practice and at home if i get if i get itchy feet at home maybe add an event at some point, which doesn't feel like, what you just, yeah, I just don't see him like adding, like, I can't wait to get to Houston. Yeah. Can we? I would hope, sorry, I would hope Scotty plays just because he does have to, you know, I feel like he is trying to fight through something.
Starting point is 01:38:22 I feel like the more tournament reps you can have, the better. Are you guys worried at all about his swing? Some of that stuff Randall was saying is just as far as like the swing being so much shorter than it was a year ago or I can't remember what the baseline that he used was, but. He said it was a foot and a half shorter, which I think was just a lot. I don't think that would. Right, but that's Brandel. He also said that Scotty's Corey Pavin of this generation.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Corpavon. Yo, can we get a due date? Like, that's a big looming question ahead of the first major of the year and one that he probably should win is like, are we going to have a beeper situation? And is this going to happen, you know? What if we had a beeper situation? And then he withdrew and all the all the gamblers and the in the fantasy guys just being apollo all these lineups are wrecked. That's me and me.
Starting point is 01:39:21 I don't even joke about that T.C. Don't even joke about that happening. Hold on. That brings up the baby thing brings up that it hit me watching Cam Young's press conference. He's like, yeah, my family's with me like almost every week. And I'm just like, man, he's got three kids and he's just flying around like all over the country. I don't know if he's flying private. I mean, he's 1, 104 in the data golf last year.
Starting point is 01:39:43 It's like I feel like they're taking commercial flights. Like, just a lot of that jets won't talk to you if you're not inside the top. I would think so. I don't know. It's an interesting question, though. It's just like, man, I just got to hit with taking two kids up to flight a couple of weeks ago, not for the faint of heart, man. The dude that week over week is.
Starting point is 01:40:03 But think about how fucking stoked you'd be to go practice your chipping after that. All right. See you guys. All right, guys. I got to get out of it. I got to get out of here. I got to go work on my shipping right now, right now. It's incredible.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Yeah, maybe he's just got an incredible perspective. You know, he's just pumped to be out of the golf course. He's not showing you. You know, he's not showing it to you, but it's got to be there.
Starting point is 01:40:25 Uh, I got two more. We got Speed at T32. You got covered down on Speed. Did we see a close life there? We had the one stinker on Saturday, the Saturday 76. We need somebody to put a ringer.
Starting point is 01:40:38 score together for Jordan. Like over four days, I bet he almost birdies every hole out on in a tournament. That's such a good idea for a roll app. The ringer score for a week. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great call.
Starting point is 01:40:53 Lowest, lowest final round like, or like lowest, you know, lowest round bonuses each day and then the ringer score. He was a, we could do annuities like they did at the, uh,
Starting point is 01:41:03 Lehers and Lehman Brothers. Both. He was, uh, some good good quotes about like look i i get it man i know what it looks like but it is it's there it's good enough it's good enough that i can do what i'm doing for stretches it's just gonna blow up at times that's gonna there's bad code in there tc he probably by jordan's right to know that vibe code and too much stuff trying to fix all this stuff and it's just falling apart yeah but now he's
Starting point is 01:41:29 got a i i don't that's the problem he can't even find the bugs you know there's all these It's hallucination. He said that this is like... The whole economy's built on it now, though. Paul had a great thing in his newsletter. He said, you know, talking about speed. He's like, yeah, like, I haven't... My swing isn't but good in 10 years.
Starting point is 01:41:46 I haven't swung it well for the last 10 years. Good stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah. Rain, what do you think? Is he close or way? No, I think he's so far away. And that kills me.
Starting point is 01:41:58 Like, I want to think he's close. I think he's so far away. I hate it. Well, that's good, actually, based on how your predictions went this week. That's true. That's the best. That's the final.
Starting point is 01:42:08 I would look for him. If he's playing Val's bar, I would look for him to win. Finally, a silver lining. What about Sa'a? Where do you finish today? Solly, where do you finish? He shot 77 today, Sally. Total control of his golf ball.
Starting point is 01:42:25 Yeah, paced it. God, I stay hot, baby. Let's go. You have literally on a perfect week, I'm pretty sure. What was your bold prediction on the? on the preview pot. I think somebody was going to hit it in the water.
Starting point is 01:42:39 It's something to do with 18, which I don't think happened. Yeah, 18 down the stretch with the water. Okay. Well, T.C., I think that takes us maybe to the end of down the leaderboard. I do want a shout out to Kuma
Starting point is 01:42:51 Kaniah. Way down. He bounced like from his 80. He shot 81 yesterday. It bounced back to a 72 today. Yeah, I did see big tone struggled, Sally, with a gun and 75, 77 on the
Starting point is 01:43:03 weekend. Talk about close. Shout to our friends at SoFi for presenting today's down the leaderboard. You can go to sophy.com slash NLU to learn more about how you can get your money right with SoFi Plus. Where should we go next? Neil, let's go to a segment that, you know, we need to get this this segment sponsored. We don't know what we're calling it. Neil's Notables. I'm bringing a monster energy for this segment.
Starting point is 01:43:29 Icarito's insights. We did this on Thursday. It was what spawned the Hideki walks like a toddler after he makes a birdie. I didn't get, he didn't get much camera time after this, but keep an eye on that, guys. I really want to know if I'm fishing in the right pond with the Hadecki.
Starting point is 01:43:45 What do we have the notebook today? Well, so I had KM being able to pull off the necklace. We already talked about that. I think first up, Cody, I sent you the graphic, Fitsy's pre-shot chest flex slash like stretch.
Starting point is 01:43:59 He kind of hits this. This deal. It's like, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's like kind of, you know, I like doing it on every like key shot, like every full swing he was getting just the traps and the chest all loosey goosey, which I just found kind of to be funny because it was clearly part of the routine and I haven't seen anything that physical in somebody's routine. It looks like one of those birds of prey. Yeah, it's going to make himself bigger. Shoulders back, you know, just kind of trying to feel the alpha in them. I like it.
Starting point is 01:44:31 I had that. I think I also had just Fitsy walking in puts in the highlighter accident at sketchers. Just didn't really hit. You know, I was like, dude, I don't know, man. It does not working for me.
Starting point is 01:44:43 Again, I feel like I'm clowning them. I have a ton of respect for Fitzpatrick. I think he's super comfortable in his own skin. He's a gamer. He's not scared of the moment. Like you said it earlier, Salli,
Starting point is 01:44:56 I don't think that he like gassed it on 18. That didn't feel like a choke job. by any stretch. He got into a bad spot off the tea and I thought he put a pretty good stroke on that last putt. It just didn't go in. But a couple things. He does have some just stuff where you're like, man, that's just not very cool. You know, that's just kind of part of his thing. But he's not, I'm good. I'm not, I'm not trying to be. That's right. And that's what I, but you know, it's just, these are things I'm noticing. So we're going to call him out. I think this one was awesome. Another one that made me sit up in my, in my chair today. Bridgman,
Starting point is 01:45:30 flying at 30 yards over the green on number 11. I think I sent Cody a pick. I mean, look at the splash on this, guys. There's like 10 yards of bunker there. It was from 2.70. He was standing back there. Like, I've never seen anything like that. And as somebody that likes to fly greens, that warmed my heart.
Starting point is 01:45:47 So I want to shout that one out. Neil, I regret to inform you. I think you might the, I don't think that splash is like it's a fountain back there. He missed right. Yeah, he didn't, he didn't fly. No, no, no, no. That's Bridgman. I went back and rewound this.
Starting point is 01:46:00 took a picture of it. That is the splash on his ball. Yeah, that's just right of the that's short right. Oh, is it? I thought that was behind the green. Oh, fuck. Okay, because I was like 270. What the fuck. All right. We gotta be careful. We're wobbling. My correction. My God, man,
Starting point is 01:46:16 you got a man on base. No, long day watching ball. That's, that's on me. Okay, Rory's answer to whether or not we will see him at TGL match on Tuesday. Question, can we expect to see you at TGL on Tuesday?
Starting point is 01:46:30 We'll see. yeah, geez. I haven't even, yeah, we'll see. Geez, geez, he'll be. Yeah, hit him with a geez there, Randy. That's gonna move, move the betting line. Fired up about this match. Huge for my squad.
Starting point is 01:46:42 I will, no, I want, I want to beat, I want to beat Boston with Rory in the lineup. It's not the same as if he's not there. Yeah, I want that they're best. What do you do? Are you pre-gaming anywhere, Sally? Is there any, geez, we'll see. I mean, yeah, I haven't even.
Starting point is 01:46:55 Finals. I haven't, it's a semis, T.C. Come on. I can only imagine the look on Rory's face when he got that. geez, that's Tuesday. I mean, oh, God,
Starting point is 01:47:03 I forgot to start this thing. There's a test on Tuesday. Oh, God. I have not studied. That's very, very relatable stuff. All right, I've got roll up announcing no ropes
Starting point is 01:47:13 behind the final group on 18. Dij, I stole this one from you. And then the final group being very, very much not in it. I felt like, it was like a big announcement. We came into the booth
Starting point is 01:47:23 to announce that one. And it was like, yeah, man, that just seems funny to me now. There was a split second when I saw those people like right of
Starting point is 01:47:30 I was like, oh, maybe they're just going to let the ropes go for this group anyways, like for this second to last group. Like that would, that would be kind of sick. But they opted not to do that. T.C., I had Tommy shooting 68 and sneaking in yet another uncompetitive top 10. We already talked about that. And then, Randy, this one's for you. I don't mean to bully Fitsy, but just English droughts and sporting events just tickles me. You got to obviously the World Cup.
Starting point is 01:47:56 I'm going to throw Wimbledon in here because Murray's Scottish. any Murray Scottish So like that's just You're gonna pit some people off Yeah for sure Well though I already pissed him off Because I called him English long ago And they were like he's not English
Starting point is 01:48:06 He's Scottish well you know Pick one PGA championship No English winner ever Yeah it might be a credit to them I don't know potentially But I just I just always feel like that
Starting point is 01:48:19 As a sporting country It's it just I know that warms your heart So I threw that one in there for you It feels like a miss on a whiff on Team Rose's career resume. Players. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:33 And the reason I brought it up is because the players continued that has no English winner in, what, 53 years or whatever it's been. Last but not least, guys, I'm ready to declare this not a major simply because the Italian wasn't there. If NBC's not going to bring Toriko, we can't call it a major.
Starting point is 01:48:51 Period, point blank, full stop. You guys just, you dictated this. If you're not going to bring your A player, to the players, then we can't call it a major. My guy's got to be wiped. He's been putting in a punch in the clock in the last couple of months here. I understand Olympic Super Bowl. I get it.
Starting point is 01:49:08 Home game for him though? NBA too. They've got big NBA games. But that tells you something, right? Like, I bet we'll see him at the U.S. Open, right? Because that's a major. And it's hard. I don't know if this is a hamster damn thing, but they close it all out.
Starting point is 01:49:21 And I, like, individually, I still like all three of these guys, like Faxon, Kisner and Terry Ganon was like their closing, you know, chat, like putting a wrap on this event. And it just didn't feel big, you know, like, I don't think like Terry Gan's totally fine announcer, you know, it just, it just didn't feel big, man. And that they've not been able to fill in behind Johnny and Gary and Raj. And not at all. Well, and I get to your point, all of them in a vacuum, I'm like, you're, you're good, solid, but it's just too many voices. But it needed to be like, I need to go to Toriko there, honestly, just to make it feel like a bigger sporting event.
Starting point is 01:50:02 Rico and the Clapper. Jack Carlin. I love, I personally love Ganon. Talk hoops with them. This is not, I think on a broadcast, though,
Starting point is 01:50:11 on a golf broadcast, he is like the Zero War. Like, he is replacement level to me. He's Thursday afternoon. Yeah. You know, the travelers.
Starting point is 01:50:22 Then we get a big chatter about Furek, but then he's not around, because I guess that's golf channel. It's just like, it's so mixed up, man. And I, one thing that hit me a little bit was what I took away from like roll-app stuff on Wednesday is just what a difference,
Starting point is 01:50:37 just clear communication is and just like say, and NBC's not being clear. It's like, who do you want me to like who matters, man? Who invested in. Yeah, it's not, there's nothing clear about the broadcast. It's like there's just too many people. And we're throwing way too much at the wall right now.
Starting point is 01:50:55 And that just doesn't, it just doesn't seem necessary. How was it like generally this weekend other than like was the, were the tracers good? Was the commercial load good? Yeah. I thought it was above average overall. Yeah. Like better than better than at from an NBC standpoint. It was it felt like a good effort.
Starting point is 01:51:17 Three, you know, three years ago, four years ago, like they were throwing everything at the problem and basically being like, see like we're capable of. of a great week, you know, when we want to rise to the occasion. It doesn't even feel like that anymore. It felt like better than the normal week, but not better than the normal players. They really needed it to get exciting. Like the broadcast got better when Ludwig hit in the water. Yes. You know, it's like, Randy, you had it on your grade sheet for NBC.
Starting point is 01:51:49 Would you have there? Yeah. I don't love, I just think in totality, it's, It's like a C minus from them because the commercial load was not the issue. And so that's like great. You know, shut out the sponsors or whatever. But like in a tight golf tournament of this magnitude, I can't tell you one interesting thing Kiz said down the stretch.
Starting point is 01:52:13 I think it's just a total whiff having him in the analyst chair. I just don't think he adds anything. But you just got to bypass every level. Like he just went. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He's not giving us former player insights.
Starting point is 01:52:30 He's not, he just, it's a total whiff for me. So I think the broadcast feels disjointed. They had some good graphics. They had some tracers. Like, they had some good stuff. But the fairway predictor that that thing needs to go back into QA testing. That thing messes up a lot. So we need to.
Starting point is 01:52:47 I like the idea of that thing, but it's not really working well. I love how much he fizzes off DC. You hate that thing. it's never right and like it'll be oh it's worse right a lot it's right like 80% of the time 85% of the time but sometimes it's so wrong so then i'm like well now i can't actually trust it is it yeah yeah it's noticeably wrong sometimes the wind the wind stuff has been great and like the wind effect on lezick shot it is it is that's not even an mbcc thing i just the whole thing like i think it's really interesting that they're doing this this NFL films
Starting point is 01:53:24 the scenes thing that'll be out on Tuesday. How was the trailer? I haven't seen the trailer. I thought it was sick. Looks very good. I think it looks all it's just like I tweet something out, but it's like all I've ever wanted is just dudes talking about shots that they're about to hit and then seeing what happens. It's like that's it, man. That's it. I don't need it for 10 years. Yeah, I don't even need to be in the locker room. I don't need to any of that is just bonus. Like I just any of that's great. All I want and there's a bunch of it in the trailer is like it sounds like Akshay's miced up. It sounds like Joe Griner's miced up. And I'm like, I just, yeah, I just want see you guys work together.
Starting point is 01:53:56 How do you tackle a big-ass golf tournament, a hard, hard golf course, and, you know, like try to figure out how to shoot the lowest score. That's all I'm looking for as a fan, and it looks like it's a bunch of that. So that comes out Tuesday at 9 Eastern on PJ T-Tor's YouTube channel. The only thing is they ended up following, it looks like four guys that best finished was Akshay at T-13. So not a lot of guys that were kind of in the heat of it on the back down, which only covering four guys that's unlike. you're going to get one, but it still will be interesting content.
Starting point is 01:54:29 There's a way to do that. There's a way, if you can get deep enough, I think there's a way that like any result is still interesting. It's not as interesting as, you know, having a mic on cam and, and Kyle down the stretch, obviously, but it's like, if you can get me invested, it's, I don't know, it's kind of what we have said, like, I know it's a very different scale, but we always said on our week in the life stuff is like, if you're doing a good job, kind of being a fly on the wall, it doesn't really matter if you miss the cut or if you finish.
Starting point is 01:54:54 first. It's like, it should be interesting either way. And Goderup, I think we'll learn a bunch about Godderup. It sounds like he's miced up. Aksha is like a good candidate as someone I've seen play golf, and I've seen him in a press room, but I don't know a ton about him.
Starting point is 01:55:11 You know, Joe's one of my favorite people on planet Earth, like would love to hear him miced up as much as possible. So I'm super duper bullish and please feel free to have egg on my face if I'm wrong, but it looks, I think it's going to be really good. Yeah. So I think Siwu,
Starting point is 01:55:27 see who was playing with. Yeah. Another great example of, you know, on Thursday and Friday. And it was only the two of them in the group. So they had plenty of time to kind of chat. And then I think they, they got, you know, they, they kind of switched over to some other guys or some of the lead groups Saturday and Sunday. Like, I saw plenty of the NFL films guys out there with the final group. Oh, great. Final two groups. So I think that they'll weave that in as well. But I just think it's really interesting from a rights perspective and a broadcast strategy perspective that that they're doing this on p on pga tour and NFL films youtube and not on like it's not going to golf channel
Starting point is 01:56:07 it's not going to you know peacock or or you know testing baby you know the the golf channel app or whatever like it's it's basically like roll up saying no like we're going to we're going to have this on our channels and it's and it's a shot across the bow it i think it golf channel and i think it get the full swing guys too. Hey, I want to bring my own guys in here to do something different because I don't think this other stuff was good enough. We, uh, I feel like that that transitions us to kind of the last grade, Randy. I feel like we talked a lot. Oh, I was going to talk more roll app. I don't know if that's where you're no, I got one more, uh, bottom of the list, things that are sick. The theme music for the players
Starting point is 01:56:45 deserves a shout out. Of course. Do do, do, do, do do, do do. I was going to see all eclipse today. I was dropping it into movies. It's a banger, man. They did a class. job with that. That stuff's aged really well. It is good. B.C. is really good with the music. I will give him that. Randy, we've talked about a lot over the last couple weeks, months. But what was, you know, I feel like your first big impression of Rolat probably this week? What kind of great you giving him? Yeah. I'll tell you, it was not looking good from the start when he said history will remember Jay Monaghan as a winner. But then he-
Starting point is 01:57:23 Andy, preach. No, I truly like setting aside all bits, all hyperbole. Like I think roll-up is really impressive. He's very good in that situation. He projects competence. He speaks clearly. He is able to get his points across. I truly would give him like an A for that press conference and laying out this vision
Starting point is 01:57:50 in a manner. Of course, there are a lot of detail. to work out. But, you know, I watched the press conference and I can tell you, you know, hey, 21 to 26, like tier one events, the two tracks, you know, late January to early September. The way he presented all the information, they want to be merit-based, right? Maybe some match play in the playoffs. I just, I was able to retain a lot of information there because of the way he communicates it. And I just think his leadership style is in such content. contrast to Monaghan, I just, gosh, I am, I'm really bullish. I'm excited about, about him and the future of this tour and where it's going. And it's crazy for me to say that because I've been like the most pessimistic guy when it comes to leadership over there. But I really think it's a new day. Building off that just quickly, Randy, like the things that were said and then nailing the tournament setup is like, oh, okay. Like we're, we're, we're. We're. We're.
Starting point is 01:58:53 We're good here. A little bit of evidence of competence there. The tour might be in good hands. And like we might not have to reestablish the business model for as much as we complain about things and throw out, you know, a lot of critiques. Because it's just like, they kind of are on the path. Let's see what they get done. Let's see how it all shakes out. But like they're starting to get it.
Starting point is 01:59:14 I think it's just been a long uphill battle. I think his whole thing that it's just, I've been thinking about this last couple days has been instead of like, here's the old tour. Let's build something brand new. It kind of feels like, no, what are the best elements of the tour? All right,
Starting point is 01:59:31 what are our best tournaments? Cool, these eight tournaments? Cool. Let's create eight more just like them or elevate eight more just like them. And let's just make the core, like the heart of the,
Starting point is 01:59:42 the heart and soul of the PGA tour good. Instead of trying to create this, this good new thing. It's like, no, like we have good DNA here. Let's, let's,
Starting point is 01:59:53 build on that instead of grasping. Yeah. I would say I don't usually do this, but I know a lot more people listen to the Sunday pods than some of the earlier week stuff. If you want a lot, lot, lot more on this, go back and listen to the Wednesday show that we did because we got very deep in the weeds on, you know, all the point by point stuff. What's changing? What's not changing? What's a proposal? What's a hairbrained idea? I thought that was a good convo. So there's a lot more there. Even just on the ground? It's pretty tough to explain just how different and contrasting the vibe is between this year and even, like, even last year of just like the attitude and feeling and lack of tension among tour staff and players. And everybody just kind of feels like they exhaled and isn't gripping the steering wheel so tight anymore. that permeates through the entire experience out there.
Starting point is 02:00:56 It just feels a lot more sure of itself. And people, people just seem like, oh, somebody just finally told me what to do. Momentumet is a wild thing. I think you're describing leadership. Totally.
Starting point is 02:01:09 100%. Like, it's apparent, like, Rolap just, he comes off as just a serious person. And I thought Monaghan long ago gave that up. Like,
Starting point is 02:01:20 I don't think he was ever a serious person. Yeah. Well, it's also just, it's not just like words also. It's like an entirely new structure that's extremely well funded and that you players have equity into now. It's also like there's a one and a half billion dollars from SSG into the tour. Like the PJ tour is staying for the long haul. Like we're going to go up against live like we already have. And we've secured our talent with the equity that has been given out is like another just.
Starting point is 02:01:47 It goes beyond just words set at a press conference. I think is my point of reason for players to believe. and feel like the trains on the right tracks. Yeah. Guys, I think we're hitting the end of our players' championship convo. Solly, I think you've got to take us out with the coldest moment. Of course, presented by our friends at Yeti. Big thank you to them for their continued support.
Starting point is 02:02:09 What do you got for this week's Yeti coldest moment? I know this is a personal one for you. Yeah. Yeah, this is as an avi, the resident aviary enthusiast on this podcast and among this group, I just want to say what it. putting down on the 70 second hole of Sepp's round today was beyond cold and it's not what we're about.
Starting point is 02:02:29 Seth recklessly played from the pine straw right of the 18th fairway and hit a ball at a lot of miles an hour towards three Commodores, I believe that were perched up there on the bulkhead and even hit one of them and it almost deflected it back
Starting point is 02:02:45 into play. It did get back into play for a second but banged around on the bulkhead a little bit and rightfully fell into the water. talking about the ball or the bird have gotten word that the bird is okay thankfully I didn't see any of the media actually
Starting point is 02:02:59 reporting on this in the protocol or following The Audubon Society is investigating They are looking into it Pete is looking into it as well But that was this week's Yetty coldest moment Courtesy of Sepsraka
Starting point is 02:03:10 And I'm just glad to hear The one of our eyes In ox going at the birds I hate to see it Oaks Oaks That really had to hurt your heart As a bird
Starting point is 02:03:20 the busiest. I saw there was a bald eagle above nine today. I got to send you the picture. Man. Pretty cool. Comerance, not Commodore. That's a band.
Starting point is 02:03:32 I don't think that's right. I also don't know anything about birds. It happens, man. I'll tell you, you get words mixed up sometimes. You know, pins, pints, who could say? Neil, this week could not get any better for you. It just keeps going. Other people mispronouncing.
Starting point is 02:03:46 The sidefell episode where Elaine becomes George. Yeah. Yeah, big thank you to Yeti for their continued support in all kinds of different things that we do here. No Langup shop their complete wrap, complete product line at Yeti.com. Guys, moving to, moving to wrap here. Of course, Bryson is your winner at Liv Singapore wins in a rainy, rainy playoff against Richard T. Lee, who missed tough, tough punt there for. Tough fish for our guy, Big Rich. It is fourth, I'm sorry, Bryson's fourth live golf win.
Starting point is 02:04:25 T.C., your Aces, beat Ripper G.C. Your Ripper. Second straight event. I think the Aces is trying to angle for a Aces. Everybody's your team. These are all your teams. I'm a Southern Guards guy after the Rhino. Yeah, what the hell, Jill?
Starting point is 02:04:42 I thought that was going to be a Neal's notebook. The Rino Junk. Sorry, that one slipped down the list. I'm sorry. The other one I wanted to see there was a Torque's tweet about it was a 54 whole lead I think that they're they're tweeting I'll read
Starting point is 02:04:56 this these are their words not my words in their defense that used to be the end of the tournament so I understand their they said months of this was I guess about Joaquin Neiman leading going into the final round months of hard work do not erase the champion he is like Odysseus in the Odyssey
Starting point is 02:05:14 Joaquin found himself back to where he belongs today he was relentless. He truly never left. He just took a longer way back. Shout out to the Odyssey. One more day, Waco, make us proud. He finished third, I believe. The first line
Starting point is 02:05:30 doesn't even make sense. Months of hard work do not erase the champion that he is. No, it seems like it just would feed into it. Yeah. Also, I don't know. Go back to it. Cody. The,
Starting point is 02:05:43 the, uh, Waukeen found his way back to where he belongs. But if he had to find his way back to where he belongs, he can't say he never left. Yeah, exactly. It's a bit of a Scotty here implying I was lost, kind of situation there.
Starting point is 02:05:59 I just, I haven't seen a lot of golf tweets reference Odysseus, certainly in reference to a 54-ho elite at Live Singapore. But just, yeah, heady stuff from your guys over at Torque, ATC. Heady stuff out of Cintosa. Yeah. Lee Westwood also,
Starting point is 02:06:17 coming back from injury first time in the final group he finished his third solo third I believe best finish on live for him I don't have a lot else from live guys obviously the video of Bryson falling in the bunker
Starting point is 02:06:30 came across my desk almost it again bats there are bats flying around them too bad week for the cleaks cleaks finished 11 this is like one of blandie's worst worst events since since he joined live yeah he's like in the 50s TC
Starting point is 02:06:47 yeah no it wasn't bad it wasn't good it wasn't good Kimer had like an opening round Kimer played terrible in round one shot 78 I don't know where's where's live going next we got the Rhino jive Oh we got South Africa this week God
Starting point is 02:07:05 Man also it's really It's really incredible how lucky golf got as far as Dubai Dubai and Abu Dhabi and everything like I just saw it canceled the Formula One races there for next month. You know.
Starting point is 02:07:24 Yeah. Brum the Rhino jive into like a future stakes in a match or something. You got to hit the rhino jive. Rady, are you familiar with the rhino jive? Unfortunately. Yeah. This is a
Starting point is 02:07:38 I got Dean Bermister tracker. That boy can golf 69. He had a great rendition of it. He hit the righto jive. This is, of course, a video. That boy can golf 69. It feels very great. Yes.
Starting point is 02:07:57 This is the formerly Stinger, I believe, G.C. Now recently renamed Southern Guard, put out a video that I think the, I don't know, I think part of the conclusion we live. I don't know if we have it, if we have it pulled up, but I don't know if Cody can find it. He's fast. the Southern Guards my DMCA, my DMCA, the whole pod. The, uh, the hard part
Starting point is 02:08:21 with Liv is I think about half the guys think it's the Savannah bananas and the other guys, the other half thinks it's like a real tour. You know, you have Bubba doing like the range goats and this whole thing is just, we're just out here to make kids laugh. It's like, great. That's, that's a great mission.
Starting point is 02:08:36 Southern guards doing viral, like TikTok day, making up TikTok dances. The cleats are doing street wear. Yeah, it's just like, I think half these guys are just like, Like, you see what these savannah bananas are doing? That's what our league should be. And half of the guys are like, we demand to be taken seriously. And I just think maybe that's going to rip apart in the center.
Starting point is 02:08:53 But I don't know, T.C., you tell me. And Rom's just so pissed the whole time. It's got to be. Fuck, guys. I don't know. Put your left hand up. What is this fucking rhino, rhino, rhino. Can you imagine?
Starting point is 02:09:07 You think Rob's going to get asked to do the rhino jive when he gets to South Africa? Is there anything? Everybody's going to be doing it. It was like when they when they did that whole, I can't remember it was like a parade or a toast or whatever for Brooks. Oh, yeah. The defending champion. Are he a defending champion? You can tell how mortified he was.
Starting point is 02:09:31 Now I'm thinking of the flash mob too. Remember that one? I honestly thought the rhino jive was like going to be like a South African like cricket or rugby like thing that they did for something else. No, that was specially. Especially written for the Southern Guards. Yeah. We've got it. It's,
Starting point is 02:09:49 this song has to be AI, right? Yes. We've got my life that this is an AI song. Oh, man. I got a little Caribbean spice to it. That's good stuff. They seem to be having a good time, though. It's great.
Starting point is 02:10:23 It's great. I'm not yuck and yums. I'm just saying, I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's, what are we? doing? What is the point of this thing? Can you imagine the Ryan Jones? I hope the I hope the OWGR people are like,
Starting point is 02:10:35 fuck, man. What are we thinking? What are we thinking? Trevor's South African. Maybe he's in there. He's doing the right of job. Who knows? We've got to reach out. Guys, only other thing we mentioned on the front end, Hannah Green ends a, I believe, a 12-year
Starting point is 02:10:52 Aussie women's drought to win her native Australian opened by one down in Adelaide. I didn't get to watch a ton of it. Congratulations to Hannah Green. Cody got anything for us on this one. Hey, thanks, Dege. Yeah, it was awesome.
Starting point is 02:11:08 Congrats to Hannah Green 12 years. Carrey Webb was the last Australian woman to win their native open. And what a year so far for women's professional golf. You have Gino winning her home national open. Hannah Green winning hers. Of course, Nully winning the Hilton grand vacations. You know, Braden kind of a home at home. Orlando invitation.
Starting point is 02:11:30 The good news here is that this is the first year that the Women's Australian Open has been co-sanctioned by the Ladies European Tour. It used to be co-s sanctioned by the LPGA tour all the way up until 2019. So I'm excited that the LET is jumped on board. And it's a co-s sanction event. Hopefully that means that it will continue to find a spot being that it's this first year being back to a standalone event and not joined like it was for a couple of years with, you know, the men kind of lifting it along with them. I'm very excited because the LPAGA tour is back in the United States this week. We got the Founders Cup firing back up. So we're going to have some normal viewing hours golf with a lot of time.
Starting point is 02:12:14 I got to check. We're all right. We're seeing part of Commissioner Craig's new packages that we're seeing a lot more golf. So I don't have the complete broadcast times with me. But speaking of Commissioner Craig for people that are interested on Tuesday, Solly and I were able to sit down a couple weeks, well, about a week ago for an interview with LPGA commissioner Craig Kessler. So that's going to come out Tuesday night. Very excited.
Starting point is 02:12:38 You want to know a lot about current state of the LPGA tour, where he came from, what his goals, aspirations, everything are. You can check it out there. Cody, we've got 6 to 9 p.m. Eastern. This is from Sharon Heights, Golf of Country Club in Menlo Park. We've had a pretty good restoration or renovation there here recently. So that should be a pretty great viewing experience later this week. Also, I just got to say, Paris Holinsky keeps getting sponsor exemptions in these ladies European tour events. That's unsurious.
Starting point is 02:13:16 We got to do better. I'm just going to say that. Thank you. We got to. Agree? Thank you. We did, you know, Sully pressed Craig on a lot of things. Going back to Hilton, the decision there, he walked us through that again,
Starting point is 02:13:33 talked about where he's at now a couple weeks past. And then I really pressed him on National Opens TC. I think it's going to be a good listen for you. So hopefully as he is working hard at a new and improved schedule for the LPGA tour, and, you know, trying to call their shots a little bit here that I really enjoy. anything else guys otherwise neal we got a we got a little newsletter giveaway going on we do uh giving away four pieces four piece combo meal gentlemen uh one lucky winner will snag uh hoarderness and born polo we got uh the new spring collection 26 spring holders and born collection is available in the pro shop
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Starting point is 02:14:37 So get in there and sign up, and maybe you can get a four-piece combo. T.C., I'm scared to ask, who is Paris Holinsky? I don't know. No, we're not doing that. Yeah, she's an influencer. She's an influencer. All right.
Starting point is 02:14:53 You know, we threw the Southern Jive up there that that was. Rino Jive. Excuse me. Excuse me. That probably was the worst golf related video of the week. The second one, Sali, is what you sent me over. The PGA tour trying to capture, I think, Ludwig's pre-shot routine,
Starting point is 02:15:12 how long it takes him to actually... Oh, that was great. I thought that was a great. They changed the clock. They mess with the space time continue, him and like slowed the clock down to make it look like he hit it in four seconds i know i loved it i thought it was funny it was interstellar it was a bit i don't think it was they're doing bits now sweet everything's a bit guys uh well a lot of bits this week a lot of content this week a lot of pods this week thanks to all you guys for all the energy thanks everybody for watching cody thanks to i say
Starting point is 02:15:43 some brook on that no deed just super quick really really appreciate everyone listening during during major weeks like this. I'm just going to, if this shows up, you've made the No Lange up podcast, the number four sports podcast in the country, as of right now behind like some absolute, absolute Titans. So we just greatly appreciate everyone,
Starting point is 02:15:59 the 3,500 of you that are still here at 9.30 on Sunday night and that tune in to all these live shows because we have a lot of fun doing them. And we just, it's very rewarding to get that kind of feedback from everyone. So are we ahead or behind the Kelsey brothers? We are, they are seventh.
Starting point is 02:16:16 We are fourth right now. So we are, we're dusting them on that. I love that. Also, guys, I'm sorry I crashed out earlier. It's all right. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't believe how partisan's got, man.
Starting point is 02:16:32 Yeah. How do we fix this, man? I don't understand. All right. Without further ado, Randy, unless you got any best picture predictions. No, no, don't tell. Oh, well, listen to our, if you got time here, Listen to our four plus hour and a half hours.
Starting point is 02:16:49 Also, Randy, you know what? You took such a drive-by at me in that podcast. You didn't fire me. I fucking quit. I didn't have time to watch all these stupid movies. Oh, geez. Neil, you're earnestly giving your opinion on once upon a time in Hollywood, having watched a half of it on a plane.
Starting point is 02:17:06 I was very upfront about that of that movie. I was leaving it to you guys. I was just saying that should be, I thought the movie was too long. That was my point. It was simply for your own sake. I didn't think that was classy. I didn't think you need to take a shot of me like that.
Starting point is 02:17:21 It was. I didn't expect Rainy. I thought we were kind of chilling. I didn't expect him to open up fire in the, in the restaurant as we were doing that. Yeah, Neil used to do it. He sucked, though. I don't think I said that.
Starting point is 02:17:33 I think you read that into it, Neil. Also, none of you guys wish me a happy Skeens Day today. Happy Skeens Day, Sallie. No, none of you didn't get it in time. I might be out on Team USA baseball. What a disaster. It's tough.
Starting point is 02:17:46 What a dumpster fire, especially compared to these other teams. It's like super bad. Just looking at some of these other teams. It looks like the most fun I've ever seen in my entire life. It's Ruth of the Torah's Dej. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:01 It's very much like a, ah, all right, this is why some of you idiots Rudy gets the US for a hundred cup team. Yeah, I kind of get it now. The other guys are way more fun. I get it. All right. Thanks, everybody again for tuning in. Live shows will be back, not till the master's.
Starting point is 02:18:15 So we got a couple weeks off. but you know we'll be here. Craig Kessler podcast this week. We'll be back for Val Spar and a lot more as we lead up to the first major of the year. Randy, I'll see you in Philly on Thursday. God willing. God willing.
Starting point is 02:18:30 Rob, Judge of a home run as we speak. All right, get your TVs. Crack questions. Do you think Ludwig wins by more than two? Is it a coronation coming down the stretch? Do you think it is? How about you start? I think it is. I think it is.
Starting point is 02:18:47 I think it's going to be a little more stressful tomorrow than maybe it felt at times today. I think he wins by at least two. Not so fast, my friend. You are now about to witness the strength of street knowledge. That's it. Shout out TVK. Good night. Good night.

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