No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1148: Matty Fitz holds off Scottie, Bryson's WD and a Wild Week of LIV news

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Busy week in golf! Matt Fitzpatrick wins the RBC Heritage on the first playoff hole over Scottie Scheffler. Jon Rahm wins LIV Mexico City and leads his Legion XIII to the team title. Hannah Green beats Sei Young Kim and Jin Hee Im on the first playoff hole to win the JM Eagle LA Championship. We talk Harbour Town changes, a full week of LIV news and what it all means, talk a little Zurich teams, news, notes, and more. Presented by Titleist. Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf High Noon - Sun's Up! H&B - NLU10 at https://www.hbgolf.com The Stack - https://www.thestacksystem.com/nlu Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf The NLU email newsletter: bi-monthly updates on all things NLU: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/subscribe Join The No Laying Up Nest: https://nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the No Laying Up Live show presented as always by our friends at Titleist I am Sali I am joined by Mr. Icarito Neal Schuster hello Neil I've been doing the Fitzpatrick Arms shoulder Shoulder arms I'm fired up baby

Let's go Careful. You're not going to be popular in the U.S. if you start taking after Matt Fitzpatrick. We haven't heard from him this week. Mr. T.C., though, is back from a little bit of travel. Hello, T. Ron. Hello. What an electric finish. I loved it. Love seeing fits get it done. A lot, a lot to talk about tonight. We're, of course, going to talk about heritage. We're going to dive back into, there was some live golf developments this past week, Toronto, and we missed you this past Wednesday. Gotta get T. T.C.'s take. It was bizarre. He's usually on the forefront of all information. like anything that involves information, TC is like bringing it to us. But he was traveling and he came back and said, I got no idea what's going on here.

It was great. I was up in the low country, just off the grid. It was awesome. What a week for that. We're going to do a little bit of LPGA, some odds and ends, a new Fedora 5. We're going to empty the notebook as well at the end. But as we know, Matt Fitzpatrick wins the heritage. Dylan Manante wins the Tulum championship.

John Rom is winning or has won the Live Mexico event. at Chapultepec. Sayung Kim just took the lead at the J.M. Eagle, LA Championship, which is going on right now as we speak. They're going to be entering the back nine here shortly. But again, Matt Fitzpatrick, your winner at Harbortown, dialed in all week long with his titleist ProV1X golf ball. Matt plays the ProB1X for several reasons,

one of them being the consistent trajectory and spin, he gets from it. Fits right into the flight windows. He's looking to hit on the golf course, and he's able to do everything he wants with it, hit it higher, flight it down, increased spin, take spin off shots, all the shots you need to win at Harbortown. I'll call it his 26 foot apex drive on the 14th hole. I think it was 180 or 180 miles an hour off the T with a 26 foot apex.

We've seen him hit a plenty high as well. He just again think back several years would have never thought Matt Fitzpatrick as 180 ball speed guy. But here we are. Loves the field of the Pro V1X, which is slightly firmer than the ProV1. He's actually played the ProV1X since he was 15 years old. we hear tour players say it all the time if you're not playing the right golf ball it's costing you shots and if you don't know

what golf ball model best suits your game you should go to tidalist.com to learn more and find out what golf ball best fits your game. Again, tidalist.com breaking down a little bit more on what has what happened here. Matt Fitzpatrick took a three shot lead

into the final round over Scotty Scheper playing with him in the final group. There's a big group of players just four shots back. Fitzberty, first and third holes to get his lead up to four shots, but Sheffler birdied nine to get back within three, heading into the back nine. He made an incredible up and down on the 11th hole.

Fitz did to keep the lead at three from left pump. Massive putt there. Huge putt there. Scotty and Siwu, Kim, both trimmed the lead to two when they both birdied the 15th hole in separate groups. Then Scotty stuffed it in there and rolled in a burdy. On the 16th lead is down to one. On 18, wind whipping there on the 18th hole.

Fitz found the waist area to the right, missed the green right. Scotty missed the greenway right from the fairway, but hit an amazing pitch up to tap-in range. Fitz rushed his chip a little bit, missed it way short to the delight of the fans surrounding the 18th screen, and then missed the putts that were off to a playoff,

and then Fitz proceeded to hit a four-iron from 204 yards in the fairway to just 13 feet to the front left hole location with the wind in off the left. Scotty hit an awful six iron from 189, came up 37 yards short and right, one of the most bizarre shots I've ever seen Scotty hit, but Fitz, it made it not matter anyways, rolled in the 13-footer for his second win at Harbortown. Wife comes on the green.

They're expecting big dose of perspective. Great moment for Fitz. Very, very happy for Fitz. And it was, it was some big boy stuff. Second win here in the last couple of months with a runner up there as well at the players in March. It's been the best stretch of golf that Matt Fitzpatrick has ever played. First two-time international winner at Harbortown. I think I heard Nance drop that stat as well.

I mean, it seems like a comfy, comfy spot for Mr. Fitz. As T.C., as we know, used to fly across the pond growing up, just to go see that lighthouse, baby. Close my mind. Just vacationing in Hilton Head from England. Kind of cracks me up.

That's good stuff. That's like a big trek. Yeah, for sure. From central England. I went back and listened, T.C. In 2018, we interviewed him in Abu Dhabi. when we went. And you said to him, like, you're, you seem destined to win at Harbortown.

You said, and he's like, yeah, if I win Harbottown, I might just retire. He's like, I'd rather win. I'd rather win that than the Masters. He said something along those lines. I think he was kind of kidding about that. That in his post round with Amanda as well, which is, you know, quite a statement. I remember in, oh, gosh, this would have been like pretty early on. What years he win the, the, the, the US AM?

Any idea? 18, I want to sell. I'll look that up, though. Oh, no, no. No, I'm sorry, 15. I meant 15. Okay. Is that right?

I'm thinking like 15 or 16, Rainey and I are just watching him hit balls on the range at, 13, at Harbor Town. And maybe this was 2014. When we were there, we had our initial NLU board meeting and all that stuff. And Fitz is just hitting these low,

just low line drives, not really getting any apex on them. And you're like, man, I don't know if this kid's long enough to completely, Pete out here on tour. And sure enough, he just, you know, like he's carved out such an exceptionally impressive career. Yeah.

I feel like I saw an interview. I know I saw an interview with him recently, like maybe around players where he was talking about how he, you know, chase speed and kind of hinted that maybe, you know, he was 75th in the world this time last year or something, something in the 70s. I mean, he was kind of becoming the forgotten man. And then he started the ball out again over the summer. It seems like he's dialed back some of the. Like he got the speed, Sali.

I mean, correct me if you disagree with this, but it feels like he found the speed and now he's, you know, not overswinging. And maybe that got him into some trouble when he was chasing the speed, as we've seen with other players. Well, I would hesitant to classify what he's done as chasing speed with a negative connotation because he was a below average distance player and then chased speed got it and won the U.S. Open in 2022

to and became seven and a half yards longer than Tor average and 4% more accurate off the T than Tor average. Like he combined accuracy and distance very, very well. His distance actually dropped off, relatively speaking, over the last two years. He's been about average in 24 and 25. Now he's back to about four, a little over four yards longer than tour average in distance and 10% more accurate. So I think you're right.

He's not swinging. I don't think he's trying to get everything he possibly can out of balls off the tee, which like if he's doing that and touching 180 miles an hour, like dude, you don't need, yeah, you don't need to be massively long if you're going to be that accurate. I mean,

it's a very, very clear skill that he has. And he's gaining seven, three-tenths of a shot per round off the T right now, which is the best of his career and one of the best drivers of the golf ball in the world. And T, you called it out earlier on, on,

in Slack, just his way he turns through the ball, like, or so while. He gets, it feels like he gets a ton of lag on that club. but he just makes a real full turn back and through. It just generates a lot of torque, man.

It's impressive for, like, it still surprises me when I see him. I'm like, man, he's just really, you don't expect him to be able to move it like that. And he does. Yeah, I think the, he had some injury issues, 23, 24, and then, yeah, to arrest the free fall that he was in first half of last year. And then went on a big run last summer, got on the right. rider cup team and has kept it rolling is is super impressive because that that's the kind of thing that you start falling outside the top 100 you start pressing you start you know changing stuff you start losing the DNA of who you are I think uh you know he's like that's a that's a tough

thing to come back from I think both you know injury and loss of form so which I think I'm not I did not disagree with you when this when you said this TC but I think we did a rider cup pot about a year ago, like sometimes spring 2025, and you were like, one guy who's not on my team is Matt Fitzpatrick. And I was like, well, yeah, clearly he's not right now. And to go, you know, he was easily part of the team by the end of last year, now to have this stretch of golf and success and get the results out of it too.

I mean, you could play some really good golf and like have a runner up in the players and, you know, have a T3 somewhere else and not feel like he got as much out of it. But I'm sure he wish he had a better master's last week. But wins this. Now he's going to go play with his brother at the Zurich this week. I think life is very good for the... I hope the Fitzpatrick brothers make it on to this week's Fador 5. They better.

As a unit. Sally, I got a question for you. Two wins already this year. Second of the players. I mean, are we going to have the dude conversation with Fitzpatrick? I don't think he's a dude. I think he's a dog. I don't think he's just asking.

I'm not suggesting. I'm just asking. It's a great question. I think it would take some real longevity with this. I think there's some other guys in line ahead of him as well. I mean, it's, I think fits, I don't want to talk about how much distance he's gain and then say something like there's a certain class of golf course that fits his playing profile. But I do believe that. Valspar and Heritage are similar tests.

And as we, as we have pointed out, like the signature events are like more accuracy contest than they are distance contest. So I think he should have a very, very, I think he goes up to number two or number one. He's number two now in the FedEx Cup, which is equal to 30th when it comes to playoffs when it comes to tour championship. But, you know, it has been a wildly good run and a dude. Nah, not quite, not quite. This is only what I'm sure the audience is asking. You know, this is only his fourth BGA tour win, including the U.S. Open. Like, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

He's won 10 times over on that other tour. I was going to say, got, T.C., you're going to nuke your own arguments for Tommy. You know, you better start throwing those BDE overseas in there. Come on, man. No, that's his thing. He could make it work for any comment. We're only looking at two top tens in majors in the last three years. Yeah.

Yeah, not quite good. He's going to need a lot more, Neil. What do you? A great man. He could be a future great man. Fair enough. A great man in training. He's, he's, he's doing cotillion.

What did you guys make of the, of the crowd situation over those last several holes? like listen i don't mind the crowd being boisterous u s a chance are so fucking corny man they're so stupid this isn't a team competition this isn't the rider cup fits isn't some like fits is not tyrol hatton or rory or eum polter fits is fits right he's pretty level-headed dude

uh has lived in the united states for a long time now i don't know i think it's out of bounds personally Yeah, I can understand, like golf is, the way golf works is you have favorites and you have people that, that rile up the crowd and you have people that don't. Like that's, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying the crowd should be equally loud for Matt Fitzpatrick as it should for Scotty's chef, a number one player in the world, four-time major winner, like is starting to galvanize crowds and bring us excitement into golf.

That's not what I'm saying. I would expect Scotty's cheers and the excitement around the run he was making to be louder than if Fitzpatrick went and slammed the door. I don't think like it seems unsporting to be cheering when he hits a poor pitch on the 18th hole when he makes the boat, he missed the put in regulation. You know, the crowds kind of went nuts. I get you're excited for a little bit extra golf and some playoff, but like he's done nothing to warrant that.

And it just isn't the British crowd, like when the Americans go over and play in the UK, like the British crowds treat those players with respect. And yeah, they had their favorites and they're going to root for their Rories. and they're going to root for their hometown people. But like, I'm always kind of amazed at how much respect and, you know, kind of applause and cheers that the American players get when they play abroad. So it's just this totally invented thing that seems to be kind of not, it's not getting out of control,

but it's definitely trending in one direction. And I think last year's Rider Cup is pretending to a lot of this. And it just, it's just, Nancy called it jingoistic. I was going to call that out. When you get a jingoistic at a dance, that's, he addressed it though on the, They had a pretty hearty 10, 15 second discussion about it.

So it was very noticeable to everybody watching. It's just lame to me. Like I know you're not going to like police crowds, but it's just lame. Well, I put it in the category of, you know, the getting the whole guy. There's no creativity to it to make it kind of a, yeah, jingoistic thing. And I have less of a problem. The USA thing is just like, okay, whatever, wrong setting for that and uncreative. but the cheering

when something goes wrong is the same thing at the players I don't like that like cheering when he hits a bad chip is where it's like okay that's a little uncomfortable so but he had I mean it seemed that he handled it well

came back and birdied and we got also acknowledge I mean Fred McGriff crime dog follow through ends up right at the stick I mean he missed that that approach like he got he kind of I don't know if he missed it

I think he just pulled it Bob Ross style there like you can't miss it and land it there with that. He didn't look like it like it on it. I would think, yeah, he probably pulled it and probably thought it's going left, left, and there was enough wind holding that up off, you know, that just kept it from diving left like it could have.

Yeah, I don't mind the Fred McGriff followed through on that. I mean, that was an incredible shot. A couple things, though, with Fitz, it's like, I mean, I kind of set up before the Masters, like he's not, I like Matt Fitzpatrick, but he is not the most exciting guy to root for. Like I, you were at, you know, you're saying like he's not Ian Polter, but he, he is kind of a, a stand in for like, uh, maybe boring golfer, you know, to like a casual fans, you know, and here comes like world number one trying to track him down.

So I can under, I guess I can understand that. I don't love it, but I can understand that. And then I think something else is, you know, he's real analytical and the pace is almost bipolar. It's like he's, you know, sometimes he's taken forever, like 15. He took like five minutes to hit it. his approach into 15 and then he rushes the chip and it's like he's playing super fast you know so the the pacing thing is interesting but I think maybe some of that

with the gallery is a factor I don't know know it was win too like while the wind was down like not so much on the chip but on the on the approach um in regulation into 18 I don't know just like zooming out a little bit the finishing stretch at Harbortown rules like even before you get to 18. I think 14, like 13 is such an unbelievably cool par 4. You have to be so oddly accurate

off the T. 14 is one of the hardest part 3 is on the entire tour. 15 is a brilliant par 5. And then 16's you know, wonky little par 4 where wind switched guys are hitting drivers there. And then 17 is

like you got to hit a really good golf shot straight into the wind there. coming down the stretch. And then 18 is like, that's a really hard hold just a par. It's, it's a pretty, for sure. Yeah, like that was, that was a good, that was a good white knuckle finish there from Fitz. So just he's, he's kind of on cruise control, made a couple of early birdies, and then just fighting to get pars, you know, chipped really well.

And Scott, he's breathing down his neck. And, and then, and then, and then, see, who was making some noise up ahead, too. 14 pars in a row until that last boge, I think. what he birdied one and three and then just straight pars and I think he made 27 or 28 holes in a row without a bogey before that. Yeah, his previous, he bogeed one and three yesterday. And then, yeah, did not make a bogey until 18. He was seven for seven scrambling up until he did not get up and down.

I mean, Scottie, same thing. For me, it looked like Scotty had a C plus game today, which is, I don't know if that, if that's scary, you know, He just hung around with awesome, awesome short game and awesome scrambling, but he lost strokes in his approach play. They just looked just kind of clanky all day. Like that, you know, the one in the playoff at the 18 was like, yeah, man, he just was missing greens when you're like, damn, that's not, that's not normal from Scotty. But he's still like, again, even with his average game, he's just like almost tracks, tracks him down. He's just the guy is water, man.

He's just going to keep coming. He's up and down. The up and down on 15, like, those bunkers have a lot of sand in him. Great shot there. Pores in the pot on 16 for Bertie. And then, like, we just see his chipping prowess, you know, on full display there. It's not fair. And the way he gets his hands, like, his practice swing, he almost like, you know,

he gets it like, and then he goes, like, you know, vertical with it. I don't know. It's a, it's a funky looking motion. like the kind of cut movie puts on it. It's just, God, he never misses, though. That's crazy. That's new,

really, really tight turf there too. One, it's he did kind of miss a chip on 14, and then he just steps up and drains that putt. Like, it's no big deal. Like, he's just,

he came up like 20 yards short on 14 as well. Like, I don't know if that was a miss club or what, but he almost barely carried or barely carried the water there. That was the thing of, scrapy round from the wind was down. Like I played the course on Wednesday and thought, like, holy shit, this place is hard. Like, it's just, and granted, the wind was all over the place.

But the greens were so firm. And to watch the guys with no wind this week just rip this place up in what I thought was like, all right, this place is three or four shots harder than it was before over a 72 whole span. We saw a little bit of it down the stretch with the wind kicking up and everything. but man, like it's just these guys are good. Like the scores starting out this week were so low Thursday and Friday. It's a hard, you know, there's a lot to like about this being the tournament right after the Masters, but it is hard from an approach play standpoint of like, you know, you kind of miss a lot of the missed iron shots coming down on the stretch.

You're like, ah, he'll get that up and down. Ah, he can get that up and down. And I know there's some exceptional short game put on display, but that's what makes so much about Augusta, so good is like, yeah, you miss in certain spots and you're just, you're toast or like there's a lot of intrigue still remaining in those shots. And I guess I was hoping for maybe just a little bit more severity around those greens and with contouring. And I get it's, you know, low country golf and that contouring would need to be pretty dramatic and probably inauthentic looking. But, and it's also like the long answer to this is going to be discussion about technology and this being a resort

course and the pros only playing it one time a year and you want to make it fun and friendly for people that pay hundreds of dollars to go play it and that probably should rule the day but that was a takeaway I had from watching this week as well which is kind of like it you know shocker augustine national is really fun and amazing to watch the pros play and this was a little a little bit of a transition back into pGA tour golf for me tc uh i'm curious at the rough seemed pretty benign and it's all i'm almost like man should i would have loved see the sand, the native or the waste areas play more of a factor. Like if they just redid this place, I feel like that's where you could have made it.

If you want to keep the rough down, I'm cool with that or, you know, but it didn't feel very penal like off the key today, at least for me. If you're, if you're going to try to challenge these guys. And so, I mean, I don't want to grow crazy rough, but it just seemed like hitting in the rough was not a, not a factor at all. It wasn't. Yeah. I mean, there was no rough out there, really.

It's pretty, pretty benign. There's a little bit left of two and a couple of their spots. And I was expecting the changes to be more dramatic that they made. They added some, the biggest changes, or they took away cart paths and added, or, you know, sandy waste area in spots, like right of 16 fairway. They added some stacked sawed pot bunkers in spots, added a few more around. Really changed five. Five's the biggest.

biggest alteration. It really changed the location of that green, move the pond a little bit and all of that. But otherwise, it's just little nip and tucks here and there. I think they reshaped 15 green a little bit, added some bulkheads and spots. But it didn't feel like a restoration or renovation as much as just like a rejuvenation. It was like the coach just went to the spa for a little bit.

The grass. I mean, really impressive grow in. But yeah, it's, It's definitely a tactical, like you pick this place apart. It's not a overpower it. And so I think that's the most impressive thing about Scotty to me, though, is the fact that he can go from Augusta one week, charging, charging, charging to Harbor Town the next week

and playing a completely different style of golf and playing it just as well. You know, and I do like, like Harbor Town. I do like trees as hazards a little bit as far. is like that like that second shot into 15 it's amazing how high these guys hit their their routine way woods just no problem those trees nuts so well an example of what i was kind of referring to is they called it out on the broadcast that they brought back the waste area on the right side of the fairway on 18 yeah to you know so because that fairway is like what 80 yards wide and so there is a little bit of a you know at least you got to think about missing right there

I just would love to see I would love to see more of that today More of more of these guys like playing out of the waste area Or just it just didn't seem like a factor Like you had to miss it really bad it felt like to play out of there Like I forget what hole that was that Fitz hit it in The waist area when the balls above his feet It was like an uneven lie in the waste area

Yeah the same reason I like Pinehurst number two Where it's like yo it could be It could be easy It's just crapshoot like you don't know When you hit in the wire grass it at number two Like you're gonna find it It might be in a clump or it might be like totally playable. And I think that game of chance, I think it kind of messes with these guys

a little bit more so sometimes than just like thick rough does. You know what I mean? Where it's like, oh man, like the bad luck of that can really throw these guys for a loop. And I, you know, I guess I'm just wishing there was more of that. Maybe they should just cut down any rough whatsoever. That's what I was kind of getting at. Just you like let it run out, right? And then it's a little bit more like you're saying, you got to be thoughtful about your lines and stuff. But having just like kind of little bit of rough was just pointless to me that that was watching it I was saying that to myself like for most of the back nine I'm like well that's pointless like which that could have been something I feel like they've had longer

rough here in the past yeah been something where they just couldn't get that yeah down when growing enough because like they grew this in you know like I think the course has only been reopened since November so yeah it is a the the great thing about Harbertown though it is like a you can't take of the P break during the T shot, right? There's something to watch on every T shot. There's consequences on all the T shots. And, you know, I don't love tree line golf courses, but I do like watching the pros play this one. Like, it's so well designed around the trees and you kind of, we know it pretty well. Like, ooh, you better be in the right part of 13. That's going to be

interesting. Go left on 14 or on 15. That's going to be a big problem. It did look like, like the, like the slope on 14 green, for instance, that was like severe. Like that was, you know, you know, you know, watching putts and how they reacted there. And that's already such a difficult hole and made that punish, you know, that I don't have the numbers behind it, but look like bailing left of 14 is even more intimidating now. There's a second poker over there. Yeah. Which made Fitz a shot he hit in there today.

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You want to go down the board a little bit, T.C. I'll let you cook just a little. I would love to. We mentioned Siwu earlier. I don't know if you guys watched Sea Woo. chasing Sunday unheard, like the outtakes. It's just 15 minutes of Siwu, basically talking to Manny Vijaygas, his caddy.

Best thing I watched all week. It might be better than the actual chasing Sunday. I only watched a few minutes of it. I haven't finished it, but it's just like, dude, I was the outtakes. It's just like, it's not, it's not interesting, but it's so interesting. Like, you know what I mean?

There's nothing really that actually happens, but it's just like, it's kind of like a trap draw. It's 15 minutes of chatter. and just one-liners and reactions that don't really tie together at all. But it all makes sense at the same time. Like it's just, it's good stuff, you know, talking about, oh, you get that low knuckle drive and we're 50 yards behind Ludwig Eberg. Like, it's just, I don't know, it's just the kind of commentary you're looking for out of golf.

So I will encourage everyone to watch that. Encourage the PGA Tour, keep making that kind of stuff, please. Thank you. Amen. Yeah, I head to the PGA Tour YouTube for that. It was outstanding. Colomorikawa says he's still terrified to hit, you know, to hit golf shots. Like he's getting on offer a lot of good PR from this back.

He sees dogging him. Solly doesn't dare as a man with dad back doesn't dare to dog him for this. He's privately called a performance art. And I'm like, that's not how back injuries work. That's just absolutely not how back injuries work. A lot of mileage out of this. So T4 for him. No, I'm not letting you slide past this.

Like, that's how back stuff works. It's like you can get to a level of your back where you can technically play can technically play pretty well, but you're terrified with every moon that you're going to absolutely blow it out. Certain lies, certain situations you get yourself in.

You're just like, worst thing in the world. It's the worst thing in the world. It is. There's nothing worse in the world than a back injury playing golf. But I won't let you get off on dismissing Collins injury. You need to send him some rapid gel.

Get them dialed with some rapid gel. They drug tests on the PGA tour. I don't think you can use rapid gel. He should go over and see Lucas guy over in Spain or Switzerland or whatever, wherever he's getting his blood spinning done. We got H.E. T4 for H.E.E.

Big week for H.E. And then Ludwig, too. So anything on Lovig, T.C.? I can't figure it out, man. There's just some low hanging fruit to clean up. If you can get it cleaned up, it's going to be. It feels like a Sunday problem, man. It's not just a Sunday problem. I mean, he played like shit on, on, on, like,

he shot 63 on Thursday, played like shit on Friday. day just a lot of clanky weird wedge shots um there's we just got to clean it up and that's all there is to it i was thinking about this and i'm a huge ludwig oberg fan i'm consistently i'm consistently rooting for ludwig you just ruined him for me but i'll say about this he reminds me of like a d a mighty ducks d2 player like from iceland like just so clearly talented but like you kind of know how the movie ends and you're like he's that guy's not going to win and like i know how good you are. But like this is a story about somebody else winning right now is kind of how

I feel like watching him on Sundays. It's, I was going to say, I mean, it's not just Sundays. He shot 70, 68, 70, the last three rounds. It just wasn't great off the T this week. His chipping wasn't great. Potter looks like it's improving. I don't want to do the thing where we dog a guy, though, for

top five finishes. I was going to say, he keeps putting himself in good spots. He's playing great golf. It's like his B game, too. It's not as over week. It's starting to look pretty regular. Bud Colley, solo seventh, can never count him out. Ricky Fowler, T8, useful for him. Kurt Kittiyama, Patrick Cantlay, Gary Woodland.

Gary Woodland's Eagle to finish on 18 was one of the more impressive shots I've seen this year. Any time you make a 2 on 18 at Harbor Town, that's remarkable. Matt McCarty, good, good, week for him. Stinky Matt McCarty. T12. And I think he's a guy that likes to shape the ball, not always the most accurate off the T.

and Sally, was there a trend this week of of guys that aren't the most accurate drivers of the golf ball playing well here? It seemed like, like I know Pott Geter got off to a good start. Obviously, we saw a few other guys that were like, pot Geter finished T25, but. There were some bombers up there early on. So this data golf judges this and it's a scale of five different options, right? Strongly favors accuracy, favors accuracy, neutral, favors distance, strongly favors distance.

And this ended up on favors accuracy. So not quite strongly favors them, but favors, like clearly favored accurate players this week over, over bombers. But less so than in the past. Almost, almost exactly how it has been in the past, extremely close to it. It was skewed after the first couple days, and then I think it skewed, and then I think it normalized today. Today was actually the day that favored the bombers the most.

Okay. And the rest of them were relatively pretty similar to how it has played in the past. Okay. What else? We got disease X at T12. Steven Fisk got in the, in here as a, I think it's kind of a makeup for,

for winning, yeah, for century, because there was no century. this year. The winners got into this. Making it count. Rated into a T12. Goes from 141 to 96th, FedEx Cup.

What else we got? How about Michael Kim today? 62. Sheesh. Up 44 spots, T25. I'm going to point your eyes to T33 TC, if you'll allow it. You said something last week.

I don't remember what it was exactly. I didn't have time to look it up. If he doesn't do it at Harbor Town, we're going to revisit it. Maybe it's paraphrasing. We're revisiting because he didn't do it at Harvard Town this week. He didn't do it at Harbor Town. I don't know.

It wasn't good. Did you say you were going to like quit or? I think he said he was not playing good golf. Like you're going to retire, Speed, I don't know. If he doesn't. He was last off the T. Or he was 72nd out of 80, out of 82 guys. And Big Tone doesn't even really count for how he's playing right now.

He was 67th in approaching the green. just bad golf. He was number one in putting. Of course he was. Gained eight shots. God damn it, Jordan. It's really just bad golf. So are you quitting him?

Are you regretting your comment from last? 69th approach plate. I'm going to take a break. I'm going to take a break from Speeth. What does that mean? I'm going to take a sabbatical. He's going to go to Speed rehab. He's going to check himself in for a month.

I'm going to get to passages of Malibu. A couple questions here before we move off this. Is Harbortown and RBC Heritage at this event, assuming this event stays the same? Is it a no-brainer signature event when they change the schedule in 2028 for you guys? Like, does it in the new PGA tour, future the PGA tour, is it 100% in your camp? Like, they better have a signature event here.

For me, it's a funny one, Sally. It's like, I get very nostalgic about this. event it feels like comfort food a little bit like i you know but it's kind of sleepy i mean i took a fell asleep for about 45 minutes watching this afternoon you know it kind of feels like golf was in you know growing up like truly a throwback telecast uh just easy listening it's week after the masters though it's always a little bit of a like tough one to you know get super duper hyped for it's just kind of a good one to like i i enjoy watching it but i don't get super jacked up for it so i don't know if it's if that's because of the date.

But I think it would survive as a non-signature event. I think it almost feels less like a signature event to me. And I don't want that to be a knock of the tournament. Does that make sense at all? Yeah. I think it makes total sense. It does. I think it gets a lot less interesting, obviously,

as a non-signature event. Like I love that if they're going to have this event, the top players have to play. The top players going. So that's, yeah. So it makes a big difference in the watch versus, you know, it being the Mule Fest. but I don't know. I don't remember where I heard this or as a rumor and we obviously don't know what's coming in

2028, but the word on the street was maybe, and again, this probably has not been decided, was that RBC may rotate annually, the Canadian Open and the Heritage as being signature events as a possibility. And that would make sense to me. I haven't heard anything else about that since. I haven't either, but like that, that idea would make sense to me. Like, I don't think, like, I would totally watch this and think this would make sense. as a signature event, but it's not 100% for me.

It's not like if they took this one away from as a signature event for the future, I would have a problem with it. Some of them I would. Some of them I think need to be mainstays and the history matters a ton. I'm not fully, fully convinced there if that answer makes sense. I think that every other year would be kind of the like perfect, happy medium of like, all right, oh yeah, it's a signature. Like all the dudes are showing up at Harbortown every other year is, I don't know,

Maybe it would make me more jacked up in the signature year. I think on the flip side, though, that gets weird with, A, with Canadian Open of like, are they're going to have a full field national open event every other year and with probably 20 sponsor exemptions into it from Canada? And then it just gets trickier for the fan, right? I think Harbor Town, it does feel like a throwback in the best way. Like it feels like going to a PGA tour event from the mid-90s, especially when you're out on the front nine or through the meat of the back nine. And then it feels more like a big-time sporting event when you're on 15 through 18.

But that said, and like it's one of the only tournaments that they play in the right area at the right time of year. The turf conditions are good. The weather's usually great. guys love playing it and but yeah it just feels it feels a little inherently

unsurious the week after the masters where a lot of guys are just like even though some in the field are just hey I'm just trying to chill man I'm just trying to chill but then you look at the the list of winners as well like we're just driving in on Wednesday

and the list of winners is crazy uh just they're just dudes going back into the 70s and 80s I mean, just dudes, dozens and dozens of dudes. So, yeah, I'm kind of totally torn on it. I think I'd love it if it was a signature event, not the week after the Masters. Yeah, I think that's right.

They just straight up took the week off. Like, let's say they take the week after the Masters off and then they come back with this or something. I think that would make a lot of sense. Clean up a couple other PJ Tour News and notes before we get to. probably the main event, I think, of tonight. Max Homa had some comments earlier this week. I said, I don't like when people,

and it was asked about a question about Sergio and about, I think about a code of conduct violations or something like that. So I don't like when people break clubs. I don't like when people beat up the golf course because we deal with it and I think breaking clubs makes us look very, very spoiled. I try my absolute best not to do it.

And when it does happen, as far as slamming a T-box, I'm very upset with myself because we're lucky to play this game where we do. do and I think this is a bad look. Max was also on camera today, chucking a club from the waist area after a poor shot from this area. Some great audio on. I recognize that sound. I've been that guy before.

Max has taken quite a beating online for this. I'd say mostly justified, like technically by the letter of what he said. He said, don't like people break clubs. I would think throwing clubs would be very much in the spirit of this. He also did allude to it. I want to say in his comments about like, I'm very upset with myself when I do that. He is not claiming that he is above this.

And he said it makes us look very, very spoiled when we do this. I don't believe he was casting stones at others when he said that. I think he would include himself in this as somebody who has these output, outrageous, but happened the same week. He said this. He is going to take an absolute shelling for this. I'm not saying he does not deserve it. It is quite ironic after after.

And I'm sure he's like, ah, man, as soon as I said that I chucked the club, that one's going to sting a little bit. That one hurts. Not great. Yeah. Go ahead, DZ. I mean, he didn't damage the course. Could have. But, you know, but he was also talking about it

just from the context of role models and what about the children, right? And I think we've got a a hitting cup series coming out this week that I I chucked a club in this video so I just I apologize to the child as well. He's getting way out in front of that one. So, no, I mean, I think that was probably strike 98 for Sergio at the Masters. I think Max has maybe a little bit more built up credibility and goodwill than I mean, yeah,

He'll take his medicine. He should get heat for it. I mean, the two-handed tomahawk. I mean, if you're going to do it, make it worth it. It's hostile. I have a, man, I haven't chucked one in the while. Maybe I need to get one. As soon as I saw myself do it in the abandoned crossings video, I was like, I, I'm going to hopefully never do that again.

Like that's just such a, it feels good in the moment. Like, it feels like you got to get it out. Then you watch it back and you're like, ah, yeah, maybe I don't want to let that live on the internet forever. It's kind of a once or twice a year. thing for me. Like, I just, I can't have this club of my hands any longer. I thought I was teed you up there for, yeah, that time I did it in front of Ludwig, when I almost hit Ben when he was behind the camera, it was enough for me.

I just had to get the club out of my hands after what I had just felt. He electrocuted himself. After he double hit it. Oh, my God. We shouldn't do this. I know what's happening on social tomorrow. They're going to grab these clips. For sure, as they should.

Damn it. Damn you social team. TC, I was just looking back to the winners at Heritage. It is, I mean, it is a lot of dudes. And it's a lot of multi-time winners. Like Boo Weekly back-to-back. Uric, obviously, Davis Love. But, God, Hale Irwin won three times here.

Payne Stewart back-to-back. Buzzy Zeller won twice. So it's just, yeah, certain guys are just super-duper comfortable. Watson won twice here. That's interesting. It's incredible. They've got all these portraits around the clubhouse as well. Johnny Miller twice.

And they've got one of Carl Pedersen in these massive Nike, Nike sunglasses and this bright green orange shirt, bright green like fluorescent shirt with the broomstick putter on. They got one of Brian Gay in there, the great man. Brian Gay won this thing by 10 shots. You guys remember that. Yeah. 10 strokes.

He was minus 20 in 2009. Baird and LD. Yeah. Jeez. Other other, you know, PG-tour-adjacent news this week. Kevin Kisner of the NBC broadcast and of the Foreplay podcast, went on the Forplay podcast to absolutely shred CBS.

Let them up. For their coverage of the Masters, saying everything's on tape. You know, I'd rather just watch it on the app. He went nuclear. I think it's fair to say. He went nuclear on them.

Which we were critical of them for some of the same thing. But we are not one of you. I mean, I don't think kids was wrong. I think he was wrong on maybe a couple of things, but it's all, it was just very rich coming from the lead, the lead analyst on the NBC golf broadcasts, which is very regularly a crime against humanity. That's well said. That's exactly right. He was not wrong. And also, you should not be throwing stones.

A lot of the stuff wrong with NBC is not your fault. kids, I would say. But you've put your, you kind of put your team in a really tough spot there of, yeah, they're not, what they do to the Ryder Cup, what they do with the U.S. Open is,

as TZ said, a crime against humanity. And you just put up even more of a microscope on that. And we're going to be. I mean, it's, yeah, it's like, kids, you're living in an aquarium,

the, glassiest of houses. You know, I don't know if you need to be chucking those stones, brother. And this is, like, it was a poor effort from CBS,

a, by all accounts, you guys, you got to see it. I did not get to see it. TC, but they're running a great operation on a week-to-week basis. They've greatly improved it. And NBC is running something else other than a great operation.

So getting them on, piling on them while they're at their worst. It's just not the best look if you're going to be worked for. And he walked it back. He apologized for it. You know. He ran it back. He didn't just walk it back.

Obviously, you know, he said he crossed the line and apologized for, for the criticism. So I'm glad he at least did that. but that was a news story this past week. I do get a kick when I see these clips of him on 4. I get a kick out of his podcast set up. It's just like, yeah, on his basement couch, you know, it's a good stuff. Yeah. Just like just like just he's not one of us, man.

It's good stuff. TC, I've gotten word that we are getting a new fedora five tonight. Do you want to do that now? Do you want to do that later? We can do it now. Let's do it now. Ring the bell, Cody. Do it to him.

Yep, we have white smoke. White smoke. All right, guys. It's Zurich. It's Zurich week. Big one, T.C. Oh, it's everybody going to have a partner for the four of five? I thought about doing partners.

We're not going to do partners. I thought about it. But coming in at number five, he has been unseated. P? P. Okay. P is the number five. I couldn't drop him all the way out.

Did he play this week? But he did not play this week because I don't think he had anywhere to play this week. Sure. So P is number five. Next up, Jackson Coyven stays at number four. No, sorry, I'm getting, I'm getting where that both the Fitzpatrick's and P are tied at number five. Okay, okay. Three-way tie at five, cool.

And if they win this week, in New Orleans, they automatically go to number one. automatically. Automatically. Do not pass go. Jackson Coyvin is number four. He won his 10th collegiate event earlier this week. Is Jackson Coyvin on next year's Ryder Cup team? He should be.

If we're being honest, he probably should have played in the Masters too. It's kind of a bummer that they didn't give him a special invite. Number three, we've got Cam Young. Cam Young's playing great golf right now, entering himself into the dude conversation. Number two, Scotty Sheffley. I think Scotty's you know Scottie's trending and he's not even

like he's got like a C plus B minus game right now so I think Scottie's That's an interesting one TZ I agree with you he's trending he doesn't feel hot though Oh I know well this is a predictive future looking index So this is predicated upon

Scotty playing well here in the future And then number one's Rory I had to do it to him After winning the Masters Are we going to see him at Dural in a couple weeks? I assume that's the next time we'll see him. I think so. I would imagine he skipped this one knowing what's upcoming.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see how he does it Duralo, big, brawny long golf course. He's not playing with Shane and Zurich. I don't think so. I think he kind of regretted winning that one because he had to go back. I think Shane's playing with Brooks. Okay.

I think that's right. Maybe that was part of Brooks's penance for coming back. You got super weird situation this week where Kepka was the last alternate to get into the field this week, which meant two other guys. You know, if Kepka gets into a field, it expands on to two more guys and would have been a total of three, but he ended up not getting into the field, but they all had to sit there and wait. Yeah, talk to a couple of those guys earlier. And then so Kepka gets into Zurich.

So they have to let another two teams. Holy shit. That was Smiley got an invite, he said. I don't know if he's playing, but I think Smiley got invited. I've not heard as of the recording of this pod whether or not he's going to play or not. Any good teams we've seen? Or we want to save that.

We can save that. I haven't dove into Zurich. I've been a little preoccupied with some other stuff this past week. Yeah. But anyway, guys, there's your Fedora 5. Alex Fitzpatrick. if you can if you guys can win this week I will overlook the fact that it's a team event

and you can kind of coast in here on the strength of winning at Dr. Munjall's place as well I can read a couple we got Wyndham Clark Taylor Moore it's Patrick brothers Brooks and Shane are playing together Big Tone and Max Grazerman Sahith and Aaron Rye McKenzie Hughes and Taylor Pendrith TC that'll be a good squad for you

Nick Hardy Davis Riley Cam Davis, Jeff Ogilvie, Nick Dunlap, Gordon, Sergeant, interesting. Billy Horshiel, Tom Hogi. A few squads there. Alex Fitzpatrick gets PJ Tour status if he wins, right? Which, like, he won the DP World Tour this week and his brother's one of the hottest players in the world right now. Like, it's not a other question at all. That would be very interesting to follow, you know, this coming week.

Fitz, yeah. Alex's game is not, you know, quite the same from a, from a bombing perspective or kind of speed perspective as Matt's is. But that's not saying he couldn't get there. Like guys out on tour are absolutely bombing it right now. Every week it feels like we're seeing just more and more ridiculous ball speeds pop up. And the question is like, why? These guys are already some of the fastest players in the world.

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I promise you will have nothing but great things to say about this system because it's been very meaningful for me. So I'm going to start my regimen soon. No, you're not. Yes. also on LPGA just now there's a coyote on the golf course it stole the microphone like the big fuzzy microphone that was next to the green it put it in its mouth and like tried to run away with it and then realized it was it was it was hooked in TC, a couple of other teams. You got Blades Brown and Luke Clanton together. And then you've got Michael Brennan and Johnny Kiefer, which that's a fun one.

Sign up for that. Marco, the flashy wide boy, Marco Penge and Matt Wallace, Hal Tong Lee and Jordan Smith. And Ryan, Gerard, David Ford. I think Ford is out. I think it might be Sudarshan. Really? Okay.

Yellow Marajou. Sign me up. way. We will have plenty more. Actually, probably not that much more on next week's episode because it's going up against an LPGA major next week. But all right, for the main event, some things happen. Of course, it's an RBC week. Of course, some things happened on the live. Oh, yeah, of course. This past week, those poor guys, they might as well to sponsor Live at this point. Actually, might not be the best time to do that. If you missed our Wednesday show, a very quick debrief here. We're going to not start from absolute scratch. We had about a 50 minute conversation on Wednesday evening

if you want to go back and check that on another like a podcast channel, YouTube channel or on our feed anywhere. But there were reports from many entities, including the Financial Times, the New York Times, the Telegraph, and the Wall Street Journal that indicated the PIF is on the verge of cutting funding to LiveGolf.

I'm paraphrasing a lot of reporting into that kind of summation there. There's a big buzz around the golf world. What does this mean exactly? Live comes out, kind of plays dumb, says, what are you talking about? Of course, we're playing Live Mexico tomorrow. what is all this plan goes on as promised.

On Thursday, the Live broadcast came on the air. Arlo White and David Farity came on the air and addressed, quote, The Noise. And we have some clips we're going to play from some quotes from Live this past week. They were going to react to on the backs of what. It's before after the power went out. This is before the power went out. We will get there as well.

So this is kind of how they came on the air to address, yeah, all these, the quote, noise. of these reports from the Telegraph, the New York Times, the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal. If we have the video, please, Cody. ...report that reports of the imminent demise of the Libby Golf League were, in fact, greatly exaggerated. I've had a good chat with Liv C.E.O.N.

in the last hour, he was very confident about the future, very bullish about the future of the LibGolf League, and we'll bring you that interview very soon during the show. David, what have you made of another week of noise this week? Wow, it has been amazing, Arlo, for sure. I've been in the professional game for 50 years now, and I don't think I've ever had two or three days where there was more absolute nonsense.

You know, it's spread out. And, you know, there are still some writers and broadcasters that take pride in their work. But this generation has spawned, you know, a bunch of fast typists, you know, that consider themselves to be experts, and evidently they're not. Yeah, it must be exhausting trying to will

the live golf league. existence take a day off everybody enjoy the golf and speaking of the golf we're too a half speaking of the golf teheralatin you're you're fast typist sally i don't think i am neal i don't think i jump the gut on this one uh a lot of reporting there again not actually saying that any of this stuff was wrong that's going to be a common theme in this other than so i i don't know if i was to give go out of my way to give the benefit of the doubt to live you can find some wrong in things that some people said. I'm not seen anything disputed from the official news sources that reported a lot of information in there. But the initial announcement from Ryan French

said I've heard from multiple sources that a bombshell announcement on Liv's future is imminent. That ultimately did not happen. Also said we don't give out gambling advice, but if you're a prediction market type person, I would bet the under of whatever they have posted. The under would have been bet that live Mexico doesn't happen. And that event also happens. So if you wanted to go out of your, like that was the first public thing that was said about the entire thing. And if you based, you know, in a way what they said there could be based on something like that, also ignoring the well-sourced and well-founded reports from others that are saying, hey, live golf's in trouble here. We weren't, I think the big question was like, is live in Mexico going to happen?

It's like, hey, we got some pretty serious questions about the future of this league. I wouldn't just refer to that as noise. But again, this is North Korean television essentially when you tune in to watch live golf. That's the statement we got from Arlo. It's us here trying to will this league out of existence here. Take a day off. It's not the massive financial issues they have here. It's us.

It's the people in the media here that are screwing this up for everybody. Yeah, giving us a lot of credit, I think. Maybe too much credit. The conversation that Scott O'Neill and Arlo had mentioned there went kind of just as you might thought. It was a, I would call it a pretty impassioned sales. pitch likely aimed at future investors. Some of the highlights or low lights from them would be kind of the,

oh, you know, most of the top players, they call us, right? We're not calling them anymore. The line is out the door essentially here for players to come. It said, if you like your home time, this is not for you. If you want to spend your time in the U.S., this is the wrong league for you. That was kind of a weird pitch and was very much angling himself for where the world's golf league is claiming they're in a billion homes around the world. you know, didn't want to bet on the U.S. market of 300 million people would rather bet on the 7.5 billion market around the world.

Solly, technically we're in a billion homes, too. I think YouTube, I think there's a couple billion homes that can log on to YouTube. That's well said, D.C. Never mind the actual number of people watching. We're in a billion homes right now, T.C. put that in the slide deck. We have a little clip here. I trim this down. This is not the full interview of Arlo and Scott, but a little clip here of that kind of whatever. he's talking about here to react to. While, Scott, and I'm used to the attacks, used to the noise, which doesn't seem to be abating. I almost characterize it as certain members of,

maybe it's a golf media or the golf fans out there, want to almost will the Live Golf League out of existence. Why do you feel the attacks continue? I'm not sure. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. I'm disappointed with some of the coverage. I've never read, have been in an industry

that has more unnamed sources than this one. In fact, I was reading through some coverage this morning and I couldn't find one source on the record and all the articles that were written. And I would just say, like, let's be

responsible. You know, and if I am a PGA tour player, I want Live to survive. These prize persons are pretty good. You know, competition is good for business. If I'm a television network, I'd love Live Golf to Survive. It's good television.

If I'm a report, It certainly makes the news a little more spicy or it has occasionally. If you're a fan, you want more golf around the world. If you're outside the U.S., it's a, we are outside the saturated market and we're in markets that are dying for this kind of action. So I think there's a lot more to gain with live golf here than live golf gone. So I got a couple things there. So I think, uh, there's no doubt he's right about the, you know, live has benefited the PGA tour with the person, the competition stuff. That's a fair point.

I think he's right about, like, what you see in South Africa and you see in Australia. They are, they are, like, fired up. Like, both of those, I was like, damn, there's some buzz here. So I don't, I don't think he's wrong about that stuff. It's just like, is this a sustain, if you, if the sugar daddy goes home, it's just not a sustainable business is the problem. Like that. So I'm not arguing like, hey, man, in some ways, like, yeah, I'm happy for Australians. I'm happy for South Africans.

Like, you guys deserve higher level golf, uh, something you, you, you, you, you know, good events. But it's like this is just, I don't know if it's going to, it's just not sustainable. So. Yeah, it only happens in a fairy tale world where you have somebody writing literal like $5 billion worth off of tournaments. Like that's the only way these events happen at this scale. Like to pay John, we've been over this a million times to pay John Rom and Bryson the amount of money it takes to get them there for that one golf event.

His one of the worst business models you could ever possibly imagine. We're going to get to. Bryson wasn't even there for all. four rounds. It wasn't in Mexico. I didn't see how the crowds were in Mexico, but it didn't look like Bryson was happy with the, with the conditions. I will also say that the, you know, just this is macro. Just nobody have like, always being unnamed sources is kind of annoying. But then you like, you look at the New York Times. You got the business team and the athletic team. You know, they have like separate sort like so that I think

it's well sourced, but it has to be frustrated when it's just like always anonymous sourcing. I can kind of empathize. But when your own executives are out in the marketplace, looking for jobs and fleeing a sinking ship, I feel. And they're probably the source of some of these information. This information is, well, there's a reason why there's unnamed sources in, like, good journalists use unnamed sources a lot.

The whole point of journalism is like that you have a trustworthy person here to say, you know, they can't say, like just pretend it's somebody high up at LiveGolf by the name of Joe Smith. like there's a you can say a lot more when you don't use Joe Smith's name like you can say I have vetted this guy's information I'm going to give you that information straight I'm not going to say his name it's going to be an unnamed source that's an easy avenue for this kind of person to poke at and say oh that's fake news it's an anonymous source but like the whole point is putting trust in people that have a journalistic reputation at stake that they've vetted

this information it's worth reporting to you and noteworthy in this is that O'Neill did not dispute any of that reporting. He played the card of like this is unnamed sources out there. Let's be responsible here. And he was responsible there in that he did not say the reports were wrong. Like he towed up to that line and did not say it. Gave enough to kind of the live bot crowd out there to be able to keep poking around and pretending like this, you know, that it's fake news.

But it's not, it's very clearly not fake news, which was later confirmed by something we got to quite shortly if you were, you guys are ready for that. Well, just wanted to say when, when Brett Bear shimes in, like Neil, you brought this up on Wednesday night. I know, like, I don't think Brett Bear has a whole lot of, I don't think he's waiting into this. Like, if he's not, like, he has no, uh, there's no upside for him to just like flame a golf league. To me, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, when, when the non-golf media starts report on this stuff, I always get a kick out of it. Well, that leads. So not only does he not deny the funding. that, you know, Livgolf is on the verge of losing funding.

He goes on TNT, I believe it was the same day. It wasn't posted until the next day. But I think he went on Thursday, did an interview with T&T sports in the UK, which is not T&T that we have here in the U.S. I don't believe. I think it's separate. Anyways, does an interview with, I believe, Oliver Fisher from TNT, a few more journalistic, adjacent questions were asked more than Arlo White gave you.

But there was a question about funding. We'll play this clip of that Scott kind of answering the question of what's going on with the funding. Mentioned funding there. Sergio came out yesterday and said alluded to the fact that they've been told that funding was in place until 2030. Can you speak to that? Give us any indication of that. I mean, it's just not the way the world works. And we have, we have commitments to have this being going concerned.

The reality is, is you're funded through the season. And then you work like crazy as a business to. create a business and a business plan to keep us going. So this was circulated pretty heavily amongst, you know, kind of a five, five-ish minute clip that this was published with. This would get deleted from T&T sports, from their social media channels, reposted hours later with that question removed from it, as if he didn't say it, no correction on the record of any kind of,

he spoke erroneously. It was clearly not something he should have said, and they went back and just deleted it and pretended like it never even happened. That's tough. That's tough for us. Again, up against just like basically calling everybody fake news the day before to be like, yeah, we're only funded through the end of this year. And also, like, we do have one of the worst business plans in the history of professional sports.

Like we have one of the most unsustainable businesses ever. But yet now's the time. Yeah, we'll get out there. We'll make a business plan and we'll get out there and make this happen. Guys, like it's time. This is franchise equity valuations. Prestige worldwide, Neil. Hell yeah.

This is, yeah, he, he, it's like he's talking directly to Blitzer and Josh Harris, D.C. Let's get, let, let's link, source golf, call me. Let's link up. I know DJ got a kick out of this one, but this phrase, if you have the shortwood, Cody, you could play of the, uh, his money, probably. Like, this is business. Do you have to raise money? Probably. Like, this is business.

This is business. Who is going to fund this? Who is going to fund this? Well, yeah. So, all right. Backing up, Sally, I guess questions are, is this, is the war and the street of her moves? Is all of that basically giving them

a convenient out for something that was clear? Like, they were winding down, They canceled Neum. They canceled the indoor ski resort that they were going to have, Trojana, that they were going to have the Asian winter games at. That was all months ago. I think now,

like I saw this week that they're selling their steak in Al Nasser, the kind of crown jewel of the Saudi primarily. We'll see what happens with Newcastle United. But do you view this as a convenient, out that the war and the current geopolitical landscape created, or do you view this as something, you know, something more than that? That, no, like, this is a serious strategy change that we would have done with or without the war.

I think you could have made the case that the war, I think the war probably has something to do with it. I'm honestly probably not the geopolitical person to answer that. But I think I saw this floating around of like the if you're if you're talking like force majeure and like a way to get out of some of these contracts, you kind of light that on fire a little bit when you keep playing the rest of this season of like, you know, it's the COVID force majeure was like, hey, we cannot put on events right now because there's a global pandemic. And this force majeure is kind of like, oh, we've got to reallocate our spending because

of some local geopolitical stuff. But like we can still we can still put on live Mexico. go we can still put on Live Virginia. Like, I don't know. I don't know how legality of all that works. I don't think that's as important as like, I don't, I don't like this is a chicken and egg thing here. Like this was this was a bad, bad plan from an actual contained business standpoint from

the very beginning. It was very obvious. But the bigger play here is somewhat obvious of, again, the whole conversation that we've had for a long, long time of when you're doing, they're doing this with billions of dollars in many different avenues of entertainment, right? This is just a small piece of the puzzle. And when it comes time to start unwinding some of those things, a league that has been as unsuccessful as this one makes a lot of sense.

Maybe some of their more successful entertainment investments of some kind, W.W.E, you know, kind of all the concerts or the comedian concert series that they've done, maybe that they see a lot more of a domestic return on that that's measurable. Then maybe their investments kind of get more consolidated into those areas. I think it's a little sort of, surprising based on everything we've heard. Like we've heard that they have 10 years of runways. Scott O'Neill's gone around saying they're funded through 2032.

Like I was, you know, Live Adelaide settled through 2031. They're designing a golf course for that. I was kind of, I guess I believe them on that front of like, they have a willingness to continue to light billions of dollars on fire annually and not have,

not blank an eye. And it never, part of that never made sense. But once they got going in it, continuing it made sense. So like actually pulling the plug on this is somewhat surprising. because I don't know why you do it now when you've accomplished next to nothing. Yet, you know, Joel's perspective on Wednesday is like, yeah, they've accomplished what they want to accomplish with this.

And, you know, I guess it wasn't going anywhere. And it was, it was, it was time to move on. But, I mean, five of the next, like five of the remaining eight events this season are in the United States. They've got D.C. at Trump National. And they go to, so that's in, what, three weeks, May 7th through 10th. Then they go to South Korea a few weeks after that, three weeks after that. Then they go to Spain. Then they go to New Orleans in late June, which I can't see that one being a

barn, you know, a real barn burner as far as crowds go. Then they go to JCB. Then take a week off. They go to Trump, Bedminster, which I hope Neil is there for that one. I was planning on it. Then they go to Indianapolis, third week in August, and then they've got their team finale at the Cardinal in St. John's in Detroit. So all of their, like, I think if they're going after this international market and if that's where their future is, it's pretty funny. That five of their next eight events are in the U.S. and are going to be pretty sparsely attended, I think.

think it's a bullshit pivot away because they've been so dominated heavily in the u.s like they thought they could crack into the pga tour market in the u.s and they've been just completely obliterated on that front so now they go abroad have the big crowds there and point that to like this is what we're this is what we're growing the game of golf worldwide ignore that we're putting the majority of our like what they have six of their 14 events are in the u.s whatever it is enjoy the you know ignore that that we're going to this place you know six times and going to all these other places once Ignore that. We're about the world's golf league.

Like it's just, it's, they're throwing shit at the wall and see what works. I can't, even after our pod Wednesday that I keep thinking about is, you know, if this was to improve Saudi Arabia's standing, you know,

on the global stage, sports wash, whatever you want to call it. And they've accomplished that. I still think it's such a sloppy exit. And I know like these unnamed sources are kind of ruining the party. But the fact that they haven't really,

uh, kick the tires on trying to, like, like making a more graceful exit to, uh, sell this in with the Asian tour more or the DP world tour. Do you know what I mean? Like,

like there just feels like this could have been, if they wanted to get out, it feels like they could have done it in a, um, just a more effective way. I think I still, I mean, I,

I think Piff's going to be involved in golf. I don't think there, I don't think Piff is, as exiting golf. Yeah. I think the live brand is toxic. Uh, I don't think you can like live is is,

is, is, it's this own thing. Like it's this golf is louder thing. It's a separate league. Everyone's banned from playing anywhere else when you play this one. I don't know how you pivot from that or blend that or merge that with something else. Right.

I think and he made an interesting comment. He said we are looking, Scott O'Neill said, we are looking to blend a version of live and the national opens, the great national opens around the world. They're pandering to me. They are pandering a little bit. I will,

I had this clip as well back in January. O'Neill said something similar, but something different along those lines, if we'll play that clip, real quick, Cody. What you'll see over the next several years is the remaking and reshaping of the international series and working with the incredible relationships and some of the gifted and talented people

at the Gulf federations around the world into a national open strategy. Again, more to come over time. You'll likely see four or five or six coming in this year. but if you fast forward out two, three years, you'll have 10 to 12 of the biggest national opens will become the international series. And the reason is,

is because we believe that national opens will drive more fans, drive more viewership, and drive more people to this great game. So I found this super interesting in that originally, that was, again, that clip was in January, and he said the international series in national opens is where those two are going to come together.

Now he's saying live and the national open. are going to come together, which is maybe in his mind or the way he's portraying it. It's kind of the same thing, but those two things are very different, like the international series on the Asian tour, like the PIF funded events, the big purses that are played on the Asian tour. And again, it's hard to take anything O'Neill says seriously because a lot of the national opens are DP World Tour events. But I think that's an interesting bridge into the conversation of like, all right, Piff's

appetite, an easy way to get in with an international. national event in a lot of different countries is host national opens in a lot of different countries. So kind of the domino effect or what is going to happen with the future of golf and is there going to the way the PIF, DP World Tour and the PGA Tour interact of the next several months and years is going to be super interesting. And that, you know, it's been said a lot of ways that the PGA tour, you know, they're paying a lot of money.

They're underpinning a lot of purses on the DP World Tour. It's been a good alliance for them, but maybe not the best that it can be. Is this an opening for Piff to get heavily involved with the DP World Tour? Do all three go in on a joint vitcher like they said they would go in on June 6, 2023? The downstream effect of, again, I could be wrong on this. Liv has lasted through many deaths in the past, but I can't see a way Liv survives this as it stands now. But that doesn't mean there aren't massive dominoes still to fall on this front with a ton of Saudi money

that is very clearly been able to have an effect in a lot of ways in the professional golf world. I don't think that's necessarily going to go away. I just think they're not going to light money on fire with the cliques anymore. Sorry, T.C. Yeah, no, well, they have control of the Asian tour as it stands. They've got the international series.

I would double, I would triple down on that stuff and for 5% of the cost of floating live. And then you can ingratiate yourself to the RNA to Augusta National to the powers that be that exist in the landscape at the same time you've got the DP World Tour which the DP world

Dubai ports are in a world of hurt right now with shipping at a standstill in that part of the world they're losing money hand over fist they just lost their CEO all of that you got to wonder if that

files yeah if that's sponsored is in good standing or rock solid right now. That's, I mean, that's what we've talked about this for the last six to eight months, even going back before that is why doesn't Yasser call up Guy Kennings and say, hey, what's it going to take, man? What's it going to take? It's kind of my point. The DP World Tour has to be mad too at, you know, like the PGA Tour did this strategic

alliance or you know framework agreement without them with the with the Saudis and you know kind of boxed them out in the first place there so i don't know i think there's just a lot of if your intent is to be the world's golf tour i would partner with the world's golf tour to do that right who already sanctions some you know co-sanctions many of the national opens and you know and has a like a deep history and deep reservoir of guys. Now I know that I was talking to somebody, there's probably a couple thousand voting members of the DP World Tour. I think anybody that's like ever made money or played a full season or like had a full card on there has some standing as far as voting rights, which kind of complicates matters. But at the same time, I can't see them being

all that thrilled with how things have gone with the strategic alliance despite the tour spending tens of millions of dollars a year to underpin the DEPU World Tours purses. Yeah. And I guess as far as, you know, Scott O'Neill and Liv putting together a business, I guess now they start working on the business plan

is almost how he phrased it. I don't think that's quite how he meant it. But now going to market to try to find an investor in this thing and some people online thinking this is a possibility like you know could could somebody come in and buy this and invest in this i think what's going to happen here is maybe the best part in all of this is these people figuring out like it might take like 10 years but like are yeah can is there an international market for all this golf like clearly there's such an interest internationally it's like well if there was one like the dp world tour probably would

have found it like they're already playing golf in all these places all around the world they're just undercapitalized. Undercapitalized, they don't have the talent. They don't have the talent. Like, the only way that Liv was able to get these players to go, you know, draw the crowds that they were in Australia and in South Africa was to pay massive hundreds of millions of dollars contracts to John Rom, Bryce and Shammu, and they put on concerts every single one of these days,

like to bring people to an outdoor festival. Like, again. Just going back, so I think going back to the undercapitalization thing, that's the reason why. Like the DP World Tour and the PGA tour were pretty much neck and neck. even up to the late 90s, early 2000s, right? And so I think then PGA tour pulls ahead from a sponsorship and a commercialization standpoint,

DEP World Tour purses don't grow. That's where the undercapitalization comes in. It's a, you know, talent flight out of the DP World Tour over the PGA tour where all these guys want to play because the purses are 8X, you know. So I think it's just a matter of bringing those two things back into portion to give some of these guys that like let's just say the top 10 guys on the DP World Tour who don't otherwise have tour cards if you could staunch the bleeding there and keep some of

that talent at home that would be that would be the start but also what is home right home is all of the world Dubai austria Hong Kong like all that stuff well okay so but if but i'm saying if if the business side of live all of a sudden gets real they're going to find out like pretty quickly that the dollars for golf and this is the part like i am sympathetic to our listeners in south africa our listeners in australia and starve places for golf around the world like i it's not a fake thing of how excited you guys were for those events and the show out and the turnout of those events but the reality of why all most of the biggest events in the world almost all of the biggest money events in the world are held in the united states is because of the corporate infrastructure

the marketing spend of these massive companies they all want to be involved in golf they all want to be involved involved the PGA tour. It's been a self-fulfilling thing of all the top European talent now ending up in the U.S. Golf ratings have gone up over the years. There's been the tiger effect of all this stuff. Like, it's not an accident that all of the biggest events, and I'm using the phrase all loosely here, are held in the United States. It's not because our golf is the best. It's not because American golfers are the best. It is because the money is there. So now, like if you need money, if you need the business to actually work, you're going to need to beat the PGA tour in the U.S. and they have live as only strengthened the PGA tour's stronghold in the U.S. getting the $1.5 billion in the boat from SSG, another 1.5 coming in January 2027 in all likelihood.

Like the PGA tour is well funded, well back. They got corporate sponsors locked in for a long period of time. They're in, I think they're going to be able to pick off Rom and Bryson if they want to. So I don't see how this doesn't end with live completely going away. Again, I've been wrong many times on that front. but you know I don't I will float the question of like what is keeping live on the tracks to finish this season like how do their employees and their executives how are they not fleeing the ship now like unless there's some carrot at the end of the rope for this I mean I would think it's going to be a pretty massive dash out of there I don't I don't I need I need somebody to explain to me why that would not be well yeah point so real quick on the global golf track I you know when Liv started it was a lot lot of a lot of F1 talk of like a global circuit and and they've been able to attract like global brands a lot of money in F1 obviously just hasn't worked out the same with golf in and I'm actually

surprised like I was just looking at if Liv wants to make this a real business the official league partners and suppliers it's a pretty light list you got Rolex do an official like elevated hospitality HSBC which you know they're kind of like global world's money laundering bank thank you Salesforce, which always get a kick out of, they kind of dip their toe in last year. And now you see it on the, you know, green screen behind Scott O'Neill. Like Salesforce is like the,

like actually feels like the lead sponsor of Live, which kind of is interesting. But I would have thought, I would have, I'm actually surprised they haven't been able to land more global brands that, you know, wanted to get in a golf, but felt boxed out by.

Yeah, but you know what I'm trying to say, though? Like, um, that maybe saw an, opportunity to buy into a global golf circuit at a discount because I'm sure they're you know the prices are better than what RBC has to pay for heritage you know you're like they're about one one or two percent of what a title sponsorship on the so that's that's the fact that they're not able to I guess my point being the fact they haven't been able to uh ramp up the sponsor stuff over the last three years is is not does not bode well for Scott O'Neill's push of like yeah let's go

raise money. Let me show you the P&L here is going to be tough. Was there any sort of like, obviously none of the players really talked this week, but we had heard rumblings that players and suppliers and just payroll wasn't being, wasn't going through. It sounded like that eventually did go through.

That is the thing. Just from like a very, very basic cash flow perspective, if the PIFs stopped, writing the checks and underwriting this thing. I imagine they would run out of money pretty quickly. And that's where it, the initial confusion lied in that, right? It was like, is this getting pulled like this week? You know, people aren't getting paid.

I would guess, and this is this is total conjecture here that like laid on some payments, vendors reported that, players reported that caused the news to leak. I think it's like people were probably unhappy with being, with not being paid that like, they're leaking information of like, yo, this thing might be in trouble. And that that would be, again, that's, that's conjecture in that, on that front. But I'd say to your point about F1, Neil, I think a big problem that Liv has is they have what, depending on who you ask, 10, maybe 20% of the top talent in golf, in men's golf. It has all the top.

They don't have the talent. There's some really bad comparisons to like, you know, all, you know, Scott O'Neill said something about like the New England Patriots in the 90s were valued at like 13 million dollars like they were part of like the best football league in America like live golf is not even close to the best golf tour in America like you don't you don't have the competitive advantage with anything that you're doing and again the only way to disrupt this whole only to disrupt the massive stronghold that the PGA tour has and you do not have to like everything the PGA tour does and I do not like everything the PGA tour does for a while there I did not believe that they should be the world's leading

golf tour i think they've they've made a lot of changes that i feel a lot more confident in the direction of that but the only way to disrupt that was to spend a truly ungodly amount of money to lure the players away and also put up massive sums of money for purses and pay the musical acts and all that stuff like i chain smokers you got to redo all of that just to keep some of these players that were for a league for a model that was already failing so like i i feel like an idiot even entertaining the idea that somebody could come in and buy this that seems they just that they're coming back for Chapultepec in 2027. And they also announced this week that they don't have any funding for 2027.

Hey, put a deposit down, you know? Got to sunk costs. Just, why we'll reserve that week for us, guys. We'll get back to you. You can join the waiting list this week. Well, Sally, the other thing is like the, you know, the tour in the Monaghan era basically went around to every potential sponsor, vendor, player and said, hey, if you work with these guys, like, we'll never, ever talk me again.

which could be a strain of hurting hurting their their sponsor yeah that was that was that was how monahan that was hockey jay walking around right so i i think the other thing is what happens if like let's say they just make live marry up live in the international series like what makes it live nothing that's what i'm saying exactly like like the let's say the team element goes away cool like you just basically just taking the asian tour you spent five billion dollars on this little sideways diversion and now you're just starting back it's where one with what the Asian tour was to begin with it's crazy I capitalizing something that already existed which is probably what they should have done right if I was them I think it would be appealing to like to tell your

current players that you've gotten so spender from the PGA tour like here's a place for you to play and hey we can spend the money on these events we can kind of dictate where they are and we can pick which national ability we want to sponsor and I can't make you go play there but hey we might make the purse of this one, 12 million bucks. We might make the purse of this one, blah, blah, blah. Brain and Grace, how does that sound to you? That would actually be great for golf. Like, holy shit, we're going to underpin the Australian Open.

Yeah. Sign me up. Cool. I'm there, guys. They could create a real international series of good golf events. Like, if the Saudis are going to spend money in golf, you can do good things with it. You don't have to do Greg Norman and whatever the hell this was. Like, that's, that's like could be a good offshoot of this as the realization.

driven by spite. Yeah. I did spend a fair amount of time laughing and thinking about Yasser giving up a, he could have got a PGA tour board seat with this. Like they had a phone call. They had, well, they had an agreement on J6, on June 6 in 2023. They had a phone call in the Oval office in 2025. The PGA tour gave Liv an extremely generous valuation. And anything in the positive was an extremely generous valuation, but it was somewhere in the range of... But did the tour actually want to follow through on any of that? Or was that just to wipe the legal fees away? No, the way past legal fees being gone. This is in 2025, they gave, in that meeting, in that phone call with Trump, they gave the live golf a valuation.

I've heard 500 million. I've heard 750 million in that conversation. And when they said that that amount out loud, Yasser didn't speak for the rest of the meeting because he thought it was worth every dollar that he had spent on it, which was $4 billion. He would not negotiate if they would value Live golf at less than $4 billion. And now it might, I mean, it's almost certainly going away here at the end of this year. He could have had a board seat over it. And that's where I'm like, dude, I think the PJ tour is in a lot better position

to drive what this would look like. But I don't, I could see Piff DP World Tour and the PJ Tour getting back together at the end of all of this. Like I think the PJ Tour doesn't need to get in a big, war over anything with the DP World Tour with Piff. I think everyone's going to, you know, the original SSG deal was done with the idea that Piff could come in with a stake in, for remaining percent of SSG. I think players at this point would love that money.

There's a lot of equity promises they've made to a lot of these players and it would make sense for the golf world to be swimming in the right direction at this point. Like it doesn't make sense for Gulf War's wars to continue. Yeah. So I, Pitch to turn a great spot, but I think they could, getting in like a bidding war of what's going to happen with DB World Tour could be where this thing gets ugly again. And then PGL, the remnants of that filed a lawsuit

this week in London. It's a little late on that one. I think they've been working on that one from what I gather. And then, yeah, I just, I go back to Yasser of just, like, man, you got fucking played by these performance 54 guys.

Like, just writing. those dipshit's a blank check and saying, hey, you and Greg Norman, you guys are the, are the ones to build me something sustainable. He got taken for a, for a $10 billion

ride on that. It's incredible. It really is incredible. LPJ is still getting close to wrapping here. There's about three holes left in that. You guys want to get the... Say Young Kim just duck hooked one, like, I think,

OB. Is she's... She's in play. It, uh, yeah, yeah, very, very friendly bounce off them trees right back in the fairway T.C. We're fine. We're fine. A couple things to do. I wanted to shout out. Jamie Kennedy tweeted this out. North Barrack member Colin Campbell. This is so sick. I just, I love this. He completed the grand slam of aces. Uh, he has now aced all four par threes at North Barrack, uh, four, six, 10, and 15. I don't know what the, uh, one is the, whatever he,

I don't know what the final one was. I hope it was the Redan. But that is a fantastic accomplishment. And I'd say a future goal. I don't have any aces to Tim Aquana. But Colin Campbell, grand slam of aces at North Barrack, aced all four part three holes. It's fantastic.

I haven't sniffed one in 20 years. It's not even like, just no no other than no whiffs of it, man. I got to, I need to change that this year. I guess. Speaking of ACEs, my only par three ACEs. is at Sweetens Cove and there's only two of them. I just need to ace the ninth hole. And T.C., you just need to ace the fourth hole.

And we could complete the Grand Slam at Sweetens. Sally, a friend of the program, John Minium, had an ace this past week at his home club. Exactly. Yeah. Of course, the writer of the year-in-review golf booklet. Another thrill getting that this year. Love that thing.

Yeah. Yeah, Sally, I have more aces at your home club than you do. It's true. It's true. He's the age. So, guys, I got to spend some time with Bill Corp and Ben Crenshaw this week and their business partner, Scott Sayers and their wives. It was delightful.

We were up at Palmetto Bluff. They were opening up their new Anson Point course up there. It's those guys are just, they're everything I love about golf. The way they, like, attack a certain piece of land, the stuff that they look at, the walk the routing the they want you to come back and play more golf after you've played it and they're just

they're like the two coolest dudes on the planet in my opinion the cup was very very full after after hanging out with them for a couple days and Ryan Farrow their their lead associate on the project as well that's say that's that's gonna be a spectacular spectacular golf course

it's we're fortunate that those two those two guys came along formed a partner and have been as active into the, in a later years as they have been in terms of reshaping a lot of what the future of, you know, like, you know, destination golf looks like in America. Them and the Kaiser's, and sometimes them and the Kaiser's combined have given us a lot of options of some places to play around the world. I think they've done like 33 courses together maybe, Bill and Ben, and I think, I think

they've got four opening this year, which Bill said is the most they've ever had open in a single year, even though they're trying to wind things down a little bit and do less. So, just kind of coincidence how that happened in the way that the way that the projects coalesced. But yeah, they've got all sorts of stuff. Pinehurst number 11, torch key. Obviously, rodeo dunes opened up. Yeah, it's just kind of an embarrassment of riches for people who appreciate their stuff these days. Have either you guys watched full swing? No. Have not? I honestly didn't know what came out.

I didn't watch the last season either. I only watched part of the last season, but I watched it. They shortened it to four episodes. I wanted to give a shout out for, I enjoyed it much more than the last season. It feels like they tightened it up a little bit. It was a good,

I need you to watch it for the Rider Cup stuff. It's all centered around the Rider Cup, basically. I'm like the picking the teams and, you know, they've got some, like a lot of, I'll only play for you, uh, coach Kegan, uh,

the squad riding for, for Kegan in the last episode. So I'd love to get your take on it, Sully. It's good stuff. Is it good? I'm gonna guess it was entertaining. It was entertaining. It was less,

less, probably less like of the, you know, they're still using the interviews to move things along, but a little bit less of the like, this is what a cut is, you know,

and it's more, like I honestly, I got to, I felt like I got to know JJ Spahn and Ben Griffin and like Chris Godder up. Like they have good sit down interviews with those guys

and you get a sense of their personality off the golf. golf course. And it's, you know, it's not like anything groundbreaking, but it was, um, it held my attention, uh, this morning. So I was, I was pleasantly surprised because I was like, I should probably watch this. And, um, and then, you know, I was so we're at the Ryder Cup. I had, I didn't a lot of, you know, you don't see any of the. So it's just fun for me to see some of the shots and, and like, oh yeah, you know, like Sunday. I mean, God, that was, that was close, man. I mean, they almost fucking won, you know, and it's like, I knew that. I was there. But you're like, God, this was

Russ Henley leaves one two inches short. You know, I'd never seen that putt. I hadn't seen that putt lot, or, you know, that he missed and then, you know, Lowry makes it. So, interesting. Am I going to be very upset? You know, so. Okay.

It's a lot of, he can say he's never going to get over it. You know, he's going to have to live with the grief forever. And, you know, he comes off as a nice guy. And, you know, they don't go into, like, the course setup stuff. be upset. This should let him. He does come off as a nice guy. I mean, he seems like a nice guy.

That's great. He does. You're not going to get over it. The process is what you messed up. It's not the result. Ben Griffin, Cam, they're like,

I, Keegan couldn't have done anything better. He was the best captain we could have asked for. I mean, just a lot, a lot of, a lot of only play for you coach. If there's no owning of what the actual mistakes were,

I have zero, zero sympathy for him not ever getting over it. I think you might throw your little TV out the window. Oh, come on. You can't even, you can't even own what the mistakes are if you don't even recognize. That's true. No, mistakes or know that there's even no semblance of a process. Some of his pregame speeches were pretty dute. We also don't even have, this is our own course. You know, it's like they're all standing at the sunrise, you know, at Beth Page and, you know, Sam Burns, guys like hunting hat on. Yeah, it's just kind of a funny. You should watch it.

I think you, you'll, you'll get very frustrated, but it was, I found it entertaining. Sally, who's, who's, who's Max captain. And when are they going to announce it? I don't know. It might be Keegan. God, I don't know. I don't, I had heard, I thought it was going to be sneds was going to run it back and do both. But I'd heard, I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking. I don't think they have any plan. Honestly, T.C. I don't, I don't, I don't care anymore. I don't think I do. Unless they drastically, unless they drastically change it, I don't care anymore. Like the whole point of me caring was that like, the beauty of the process and figuring out how to overcome this wall that you're up against, this group that cares about this event way too much.

Like how do you get around it? How do you take advantage of all this talent? How do you unite as a team? They're not even fucking close to figuring that out. And I don't, I don't, if they're not going to come close figuring that out, I have no passion for that project. I don't care. Meanwhile, Dodo and Luke are already on site in a dare manner.

Yeah. Not having a captain is tough. I mean, just. It's better than having a bad one, though. Yeah. Also, you guys just straight up didn't have a captain. What if, honestly, I'd rather have, like, P be the captain than, like,

running back with Kagan. I think that would be. P and Lady J. Lady J. Picking out the uniform. Yeah, her plan. God, doing all the, all the party stuff.

That's good. That's good. T.C. Uh, you guys, didn't even give my guy, Stu Sink a shout out. I won the senior PGA today at, at the concession. I ran away with it.

It looks like he won by, like, what, five, six, strokes over ben i was hoping brian gay was going to make a run at it but unfinished biz now finish because they don't invite blandie sorry tc um ben crane second place wow yeah he was rocking i was ahead on the quad box for a while watching the NBA and this is at perrez t five yeah i know i know uh interesting leaderboard for the olds um before we get too far in the notebook one one we mentioned it but we didn't really talk about Bryson

Bryson withdrew this week from from Live Mexico Bryson also had like a hell of a tantrum after hitting a poor bunker shot and have to have a ruling here laid into a rules official

about not being ground under repairs this is what we're playing on now I guess I didn't even talk about the power outage Live had a Mexico City had a power outage and they just went dark for like two hours on Thursday

and never said anything Livcoms never said anything about it and it tournament just kept going, right? Tournament kept going. They kept playing. I'm not a conspiracy theorist on this, but is there any chance, like, really suspect to have that happen.

I know it was an actual power outage, but really suspect to have that happen when your league is in limbo, like pretty unfortunate timing on that. And then the Bryson W.D and him being extremely peeved, I can't, like, I can't shake that in my head. I know he has had wrist issues in the past. I'm a fellow wrist injury guy. Is that sympathize? So you support Collins back injury, but not Bryson's wrist injury.

This one's just more suspicious, I'm saying. Is there something grander going on here? At least begs, I don't have the, I of course don't have the answer to that right now, but it is worth flagging right now of do we have a Bryson situation with being frustrated with LiveGolf? I can't imagine he would not be upset right now. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, and they announce that they're going back there next year. Meanwhile, Ram doesn't have a problem with it.

He was talking about how they had Poena in the Basque Country where he was growing up. He's really comfortable at Chapultepec. All that, like very, very, you know, grateful for the course. So I think the PR training for Bryson may be reaching the limits. I need to go brush up on his credit hours. Exactly. Continuing education. Yeah, between agronomy and manufacturing,

coming through for them and some of this other stuff. I think we could be reaching critical mass for Bryson to maybe melt down a little bit. But yeah, yeah. I mean, what like, Sally, what are the most wild ways that this thing like dissolves or gets off the rails? Like most of the guys walking off after the second round one week when paychecks don't come through? I mean, again, I think it would be, again, I don't think Bryson's a

to hurry to get back to the PJ tour. But if he does want to get back there, every time he teased it up, it delays at minimum. He will not be eligible to come back for another year. And it could be different for him using the lawsuit. I'm not positive. He's even got a clear path back.

But that's what Reed is eligible to come back a year from when he last played a live event. It was last in violation. So does Bryson want to run that all the way through the end of the year? Can he get out of the contract? These are all answers we don't have. Bryson should declare force for sure. Yeah, but they're also still playing.

asked like what's to stop these guys from walking off the job they're playing for 20 million bucks in a limited 25 million bucks you know 30 million i thought it was 20 million this week i think it's 25 plus five for the team like i think it's 30 million dollars purchases every week yeah so like that's your answer i mean they'll play they'll keep doing it until they shut it down i mean that's just not i i understand i think i think if you do the math it's like well i'm just going to play these tournaments out and take the cash grab and then i'll take my year off like it's probably or if you're the tour do you Do you do another returning member program, round two?

Try to get him to jump right now. But for returning member program two, you have to play corn fairy tour all next year. That'd be sick. Well, then I just ride it out. But anyways, flagging that of maybe more to come on this Bryce in front because that was a peculiar timing of a WD.

But Neil, you played a little golf this week. Yeah, I just had a note in here. I played a solo round of golf. The first one at the time, I think the first time, at least five years, the first time I played alone on Friday morning. And I played in two hours and 35 minutes. I hit cups. It was awesome, guys.

I just wanted to shout that out. Like, yay. I shot 78. Super, super chill. God, my short game is so clanky. My wedge game needs work. You got the winter hands. I do.

I got, I got Novakane in my hands right now. But, you know, we got a trip coming up to England. So I'm trying to get ready for that. So I can get back in the mix, beat you clowns. when we start when we start ramping up our golf stuff i got a florida mid a m qualifier this week on wednesday where's that king of the bear he's going back to the hall of the same the slammer the squire was the one i played last time so this is king and the bear this time i got to give a quick shout out arcos has been spitting in my face that my short game completely sucks uh and i've

switched out my wedge setup and now i've got four wedges now 60 56 52 48 you take out out I took out my two iron currently, which I got to figure that out for England because I think I'm going to want that for England. But I was 58, 53, 48, 48 and was never using the 53 around the greens and wasn't very good with the 508s. But now I have the 60 and I use the 56 more often around the greens. And I had my best short game round since I've been recording anything on Arcos this past week. Like it was, I kind of didn't want to believe that my short game was that bad. And then I made a change and it was like, oh, that's what it feels like to get up and down. Holy crap, this feels great.

So shout to Arcos, free mention here tonight. But it was, it was eye opening. It really was. Neil, what's the setup out there? Is it online tea times? Is there an app? Or you just call the pro shop? No, it's an app.

So I just signed up. I was like the second tea time. So I played through a foursome ahead of me. I just fucking ripped it. It was awesome. What are you going to do if somebody, hops in with you. Like, no.

I don't know. I'm going to make some friends. Yeah. I wasn't like, I was expected to somebody would, I was like, nobody's out here. It was perfect day. You know, I was like, this is, this is great. So anyway, I just hadn't played alone. I, like, I was like, man, I had, cannot remember playing golf alone in at least five years.

Any second balls or anything, or you just straight up playing one ball? Well, I was going to play. I thought I was going to be behind this foursome. And so I was playing, I was going to play two ball. I was hitting, you know, whatever, playing driver. hitting cups and I was just going to hit a four iron off of every T just to get a different look at the course from different spot and then I played through these guys on the third hole and then I was like

oh shit I could probably get 18 in if I just play one ball and so that's what I did so sweet started playing really fast and it was great uh TC you got the Hartzell yeah I just wanted to shout out I read this this past week or actually two weeks ago at this point round of Scottish courses by Jim Hartzell and it's awesome. It's a long time, you know,

Jim is a really good friend. And he was over in Scotland this week. He was over on Aaron and at Don Averty on the Molliffe, on the Kintyre Peninsula. And just, it just makes me long for Lynx golf. And it's, it's a really easy, fun,

breezy read. There's, there's, like, it's kind of takes you through kind of his 18 favorite places in Scotland. And I guarantee you, you'll be looking for lights. Not even a hundred pages into this thing. Your wanderlust will be going crazy. So it's on back9press.com.

And yeah, go support Jim because he's the best and he's a brilliant writer. And kind of represents everything that I love about golf and that makes it such a lifelong passion. Man, that's a great endorsement, T.C. I'm going to have to get some eyes on this thing. Well, Sally, that's good because I bought you one. Oh, thank you.

I'll be sending them out this week. Thank you. And, Sally, anything else, speaking of people that we want to just shout out for making us feel good about golf. Luke Elvey, just wanted to give him a shot out there. Oh, my guy, my poor guy this week. I forget what he originally said. But I, you know, he's been going to a new low this week.

I know. I didn't want, you know, to do the full dunking this week. I think that day will come. I have screenshots. I have a lot of documentation of the abuse that has been thrown our way over the last four years about something that we appear to be extremely right on. But he just said, Scott O'Neill confirms Liv is funded to the end of 2026. He also spells out the blueprint for beyond the season, but they need funding.

Many Americans despise it. Many internationals love it. Is there a long-term future for Live golf? Time will tell. And I just quote retweeted saying, watching these people learn why almost all of the big events are in the U.S. is going to be a very funny offshoot of this. Luke did took exception to that and quote tweeted. It's a disclaimer.

These tweets are bought and paid for by the PJ tour. Never accepted a dollar for my. My opinions are forged via 30 years in the sports media business, 25 of which were as golf, a golf broadcaster at the highest level. And I just replied with a quick disclaimer. They're not. our guy got ratioed pretty bad guys I had 1,100 likes on the response he got 106 so

and the replies to his tweet just did not go the way that I think he thought that was going to go So I full full disclosure I am on I am hoping the cliques out on a consulting basis I came in the eighth this week just behind the Majestics got sixth and put up kind of congratulatory

team position tweet but also I did accept a spot in the AM-Am at Harbortown. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. It's me and Shep and Austin, my guys from Southern Charm, and then Kate Klubnick, the Thompson quarterback.

That was his golf game? He's only been playing for like three years. He's probably in, probably a seven or an eight. Really good swing. Just needs a little bit more feel for where his misses are going. Sure. And yeah,

he's going through his whole, pre-draft process right now. And so nice kid. It was interesting to talk to him. He went to Westlake High School in Austin, broke all of Drew Breezes records. So I also wanted to just shout out this Luke LV tweet as well. Scott O'Neill is speaking my language,

and I'm genuinely impressed by an American who loves his nation dearly, but understands there's a world of opportunity out there. If you ever need someone with aligned values to help build this, I'm keen at Scott O'Neill. I'll be at the red lobster if you need me. God bless. I enjoy the part I love the most is all the replies to his tweet. We're just like, dude,

it don't even shit on the PJ tour many times. If the tour's paying for their tweets, they're not getting their money's worth. Just everybody, I was like, no one's been shadowed the PJ tour harder than these guys, maybe. Meanwhile, Luke, like Luke's saying that he's not being paid by live.

And everybody being like, that's crazy. Dude, get your money for that. If you're going to debase yourself like that, Get paid, my guy. Come on. Just very, very tough scene on a lot of fronts. LPGA is kind of coming down to the wire here.

Yeah, I was trying to vamp. Hopefully we could get to the end here, but I think we are getting close to wrap. But Sayung Kim might win. She is up by one here with two holes remaining. A couple notes from the LPGA side this week. The great man, Walt, Walt Wang, the CEO of J.M. Eagle, or J.M. Eagle, mid-tournament.

Up the purse by a million bucks to 4.75 million, which is the biggest on the LPGA tour other than the majors and the CME. But I don't know if I've ever heard of midweek. And this was not playing. Like this was not like a publicity stunt from everything I've heard. Like it was like midweek. He's like, no, let's add a million more to the purse. Making one of the biggest.

There you live and he's a call up. Solie, do you know what J.M. Eagle does? Pipes. Yeah. Yeah. Charles J. Smith. They're their.

They're just manufacturer of BBC piping. They have big pipe. the hole and the par and the distance is printed out on a pipe next to each T-box. That's good stuff. I immediately, as soon as they found about that million,

I went and looked exactly up what they did. So money well spent, I think, Walt, hopefully they got what they're looking for out of that. But it's also the gym. Yeah, Hannah Green's kind of charging right now. But, um, so young Kim's gotten bailed out a few times, but she's hit a couple.

She's looked a little lost on the greens. She's been mostly solid, but she should have to drive that went, OB two holes ago, too. Looking ahead here, we got on the PJ tour, we've got Zurich on the LPGA tour. It is first major championship of the year this week with the Chevron. We have a preview we've already recorded. It'll be out on Tuesday detailing our top 12 storylines heading into the Chevron at Memorial Park for the first time.

So check that out. It comes out on Tuesday and you'll be able to watch on Golf Channel as well all week. Any update on the pool? Yeah, the pool is in. it's tiled. I think they're going to build hospitality around it. We're told that a lot of the LPGA players

rode pretty hard for it. They said it's a valued tradition and they want to keep it. And I think it's, I simultaneously think it's fucking embarrassing, but also if they want to do it, then more power to them. If they present the course correctly

and set things up accordingly and the broadcast is good, I don't give two shits about the pool. Thank you, T.C. A lot of pool discussion in our preview pod as well. So we break the golf tournament down and then we talk a little pool as well. So last housekeeping note, you know, coming out of Masters Week, we pretty much emptied the tank and a lot of emotional reservoir. So thanks to everyone that rode with us for the live shows.

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Jen He and Jen Heem are all tied at 17. What's the Hollywood letters? Jen he, I will say, in the clubhouse, it's 17-under. Hannah and Seyong playing the 18th hole. Say-Young's been all over the place. She had an eight-shot lead at the midway point on Saturday, like Saturday right around the turn, and it's just been bottling it ever since.

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Are we going live? I said it in the preview that we are. I didn't know if we agreed on that, by the way. But I'm happy to. What time's going to end? It depends on what time it ends. Okay. We'll get it figured out.

We'll get it figured out and we will keep you a prize. Also, guys, Jinhee, M. got penalized for slow play yesterday. So that's the difference between her being in the clubhouse at 17 or 18. That's the way to my heart right there. I'm root for this guy ProV1 Canovi to win this merch code. I like that screen name for my guy. And props to the LPJ tour, I know that last year they, you know,

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