No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1151: TC's Dream 18

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

After much thought and consideration, Tron has compiled his dream eighteen holes and shares them with DJ and Soly.  The stipulations were: only holes on courses TC has played were eligible and the hole number from the course in question must match the hole number on his Dream 18.  Support our Sponsors: Titleist Rhoback Club Glove If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sali here, got a treat for you today. We'll explain it all when we get there.

T.C.'s Dream 18. We put some constraints on him. The guy went nuts, as you might imagine. And I think there's going to be a lot of offshoots from this podcast episode. alone, but I cannot wait for you to hear it. And I cannot wait to get into one myself. This was a really, really, really fun exercise. But before we get into TC's dream routing, I want to talk about wedge play. Wedges are not a one-size-fits-all situation. Like what works for my game is going to be different than TCs or Niels or DJs or Randy set up, like the grasses you play on, your, you know, your approaches,

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So if you're looking to sharpen your wedge game this year, Titles.com find a fitting near you. Thought any further delay. Here is our TC Dream 18. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a special edition of the No Laying Up podcast. Solly here joined by Mr. DJ Pi. Hello, Pie, man. Hello, Sally.

Special, indeed. It's always fun when you can feel someone really laboring, really squirming, about the info they have to present. And I think that's what we got from our third chair today. I'm giddy. can't wait. How confident are you that we are going to like have this narrowed down, have it set and not meander and not go off. Yeah. Like you know, this, you know, I've changed my mind. No, I changed my mind here. Now I'm doing this. Are you confident in that? Um, I'm pretty confident

just in, in how, uh, how firm he's been and how upset about it he is. I mean, I think he is locked in. I think he's admitting that he did the constraints of this exercise. We're going to be talking about TC's dream 18. It might be a 36 whole facility. We don't, you know, that that's certainly. That's certainly. possible but uh 18 holes i i trust i trust our guy to get it get it whittled down i just wanted to make him squirm just a little bit longer before before chiming in and talking here tc is here hello tc hello guys thank you for having me this was among the most difficult things i've ever done i think if i did it like if you had me do it tomorrow it would probably be a entirely different 18 holes and the entire thing is like a house of cards like if you change one thing there's 19 downstream

changes from that. So this is reflective of what I came up with about a week ago, about four days ago, on March 20th, 21st. And then I came back to it. Like I worked on it a little bit last week, came back to it several times just so I wasn't a prisoner of the moment. And I don't think I've ever taken anything this series. Well, explain the entire concept. What exactly are we doing here today? What are the constraints of this exercise and your philosophy and how you've done it and everything? there before we get into the list yeah well you guys didn't really put any constraints on me i had to put constraints on myself which was you don't stick with them so there's no point in doing this anymore oh that was that was maybe a brilliant strategy by you guys forcing me to commit to my own

constraints because i think i needed constraints otherwise this thing was going to spiral off into a million different directions my constraints were only courses that i've played before um not you know so no like augusta 13 or 15 or whatever like i've never played augusta so no augusta on there for me otherwise it's got to be the corresponding number like a whole number so the third hole at royal adelaide can't be my first hole on my course like the the whole number has to correspond i think like there's not like and i that's a really challenging thing because there's a ton of great 14th holes there's a ton of great third holes So there's not a lot of great first holes and 18th holes.

So I think that's part of the challenge here. I also threw in, but no, like no rules as far as like, you could pick 18 part threes if you want, 18 par fives if you want. I didn't know what to do with like the A hole at O'Hoopy, you know, that sort of thing. I didn't know what to do with like the DJ Kilmore nine at Karn. Like is that it's oh nine? Does that, that's interesting. Does that come in on the wild Atlantic Dunes route? that they have or we just played it as its own thing t g l holes those are always changing yeah you know

you never know what number those are going to be exactly uh i did do a halfway house uh i did i did do a bench as well yes we can do clubhouse and driving range and that sort of thing as well you'd like but um but really overall i think i'll take you guys through my selections and then i'll take you through some of the the nominees for each hole as well because i think that's that's a that's a good exercise and and we know there's going to be a second dream 18 like we we know that's coming when you build the right i mean trying to get the money together trying to find the right partners to to make that like pinehurst like we might be looking at course number 11 uh and did you say this i forget only each course can only be represented one time is that correct correct yes i did not say that but

that's that that that is one of the constraints yes Can I ask T.C. a philosophical question. Are you, uh, how did you think about, I know you're a big routing guy. You're a big golf is a hike guy. You're a big, uh, walking through nature, ebbs and flows kind of got. Did you build in like, uh, this is a natural lull? Did you build in this is how this thing is going to ramp? This is going to build to a crescendo. Is it like, or is it truly just all, you know, Pine Valley? It's just bang or after bang or after bang or highest possible form on every hole. I definitely thought about, I thought about setting and some of these holes aren't necessarily the best holes. They're like, I mean, they're all, they're like my favorite holes.

So it may not be like the best hole, but it's just I want to be transported to that place and setting an environment. So you'll see that in a few spots where it's like, like, like friends, I like coming back to the clubhouse during around at weird times. I got like three whole loops and 14 hole loops and all that stuff. And then, you know, and then you go back out for three or four more holes, that sort of thing. But yeah, like as far as green to T walks and stuff too, like I think you can probably. Those don't exist in this exercise. Yeah, or they can. It's like, all right, like, we're going to stay at this place until we get to that next T-box and then you're transported.

Sure. Through a pneumatic tube or something like that. I started to try to do this exercise a little bit. And I was surprised how hard it was. Some of my favorite golf courses, some things I would list as my favorite golf courses in the world. I'm like, oh, I don't know if any of the individual holes get nominated up to this level. And maybe my brain wasn't working in the right place when I was doing it. But I kind of just kept defaulting to like five or six golf courses that kept getting represented, like maybe overly represented.

but one maybe that speaks to the top level golf courses in the world how much, you know, greater the top 10 are than like courses 50 through 60 maybe. But I just found that interesting of like, oh my gosh, yeah, I love Brora. I love County Sligo. I love Westlanks. Yet I don't think, and there's, you know, even five deep on some of these hole numbers. I don't know if I could nominate any of those specific holes. I just found that part interesting.

Yeah. I mean, we go, you know, looking at this. I'm 20. I'm 20 nominees. deep on the third hole. Yeah, I'm 17 nominees deep on the fifth hole like there are on the sixth hole like, you know, but, but then I, I only go six nominees deep on the 10th hole. Yeah.

Right. I, I, I could do this exercise for another 30 minutes, but I kind of want to get, if you have, if you have 17 nominees on somebody's, I think we should get going, uh, with the first hole. God, some of them too, like you could probably find some of these, you know, I know we're going to do a nightmare 18 as well and some of these holes like there could be some that are both on the dream 18 and on the nightmare interesting we might you to do a dream dream wind dream all kinds of different things for for you tc as well did you pick a range uh and a practice screen for this and a clubhouse i did i picked uh driving range i got sea island i love that driving range there that's just killer

you got the big bridge there unfortunately the the uh the capsized the boat isn't there any long that was that was always a highlight but yeah driving range wise I think like I looked at Pine Valley that's does that eliminate can you not use any sea island holes then is that if you'd use the Pine Valley range oh interesting interesting so and then clubhouse I've got Shinnecock I think it's the best clubhouse in the game no Shinnecock holes no Shinnecock holes the great man Stanford white as well and then we've got for for a bench I've got the bench I've got the bench behind 13 t at dun averty uh jordan's bench it's just yeah that's that's that's the spot

yeah and then i'm trying to think like halfway house this is where i kind of struggled of like like the sundingdale half halfway house is i think the best halfway house in golf and like there's not even a close second but can i pick that because it's not necessary like you know i want to pick five different holes from something to hold. So, you know, that's a tricky one. It's never been open when I've been here. It's been in here three times in the halfway house. It's never been open.

So best is the most important of skills, availability. That's right. It's like the one of jockey club, the hot dog that Wolfie kept talking about for three or four days and then it was close. We're crestfallen. All right, TC. Take us to the first hole. First hole sand hills.

I was all right. Hell yeah. I know I knew T.C's been he just it was chapping his ass that Sand Hills did not make his his top 10 when we did the that day when we did the TZ's personal golf spotlight. I knew he was going to come correct. The the great par five, one of the greatest holes in the whole world. It's that makes me I put this hat on for that exact reason. T.C. I was hoping that'd be number one. Yeah, Sand Hills. I think the yeah, great par five, you know, you can kind of bite off as much you want driving wise you can bail out play the whole variety different ways elevated green massive massive bunker short right that that Neil got uh duffed by and and it's just a thrilling hole and uh it's a perfect entrance like it it almost transports you like even if you're kind of

you know a little little fog gear little hazy going into the round it immediately transports you to that that place and that routing so different uh different options off the t right i mean you can you can play as far right as you want if you want to have a nice you know peaceful easy feeling uh all day but you can just god you can make a three you can make a 12 it it it rules sets the tone for for the whole course uh gosh sign me up other nominees i looked at cal club i really like that first hole uh california's got strong first hole is cow club bell air's got a great first hole uh l cc's got a great first hole macra hannish you kind of tee off over that the little cove there and like that's there's a plaque on the

on the first hole that says jack nicholas said it's the greatest first hole in golf mar del plata i've ruled it out for tc yeah mardell bata is a great first hole like it's you want to hold it's not a pushover that introduces you to the themes that round but that's not going to knock you in the face either um i'm trying to which which which i like about sand hills because if you do get over aggressive it can knock you in the face it's a choose your own adventure yeah trying to think of what other people are going to pick and i just i already am slotting in randy at uh the the golf course of stanford hitting over that road uh i think is going to be a no-brainer first hole for him

any consideration to the old course there yes that was very much a consideration but then it takes me away from yeah like like i thought about all right the anticipation you have for the the first t-shot that can't be replicated and there's not a place in the entire world that i would rather hit the first t-shot but at the same time it kind of that that takes the road hole off the equation that takes the eden hole off the equation all that stuff deep branch is another great one there we got that was that was that's a killer you know a emmons hall sheep branch like i think first old sheep branch probably the best first hole at all abandoned one of the best first holes in all of all of resort golf pinehurst like i i always dig that first hole too yeah um

but yeah i don't know it's i think sand hills just felt like i looked a few other sand hills holes made the nominees list but this one just just felt right just you know just feels like it encapsulates the place i got one more potential recommendation for a nominee there uh throw out lofitton that um that open tea shot with across the ocean there drive bowl if you want or like that might be on the nightmare 18 it could be what i would be on what i was I saw you and Neil do. It's a thrill ride, man. It's a thrill ride.

What did I got? What did I make about a 15 on that hole when I lost in my playoff to you, Solly? I think I won with double. I went back. Just made the easiest part of my entire life, the second time. It's very frustrating. TC, last thing I'll say.

Also, just because you mentioned the transitions, if you take the first hole at Sandhills, that means you get the whole cart ride out there. through all the wildflowers, up through the dunes, past Ben's porch, down the hill. I mean, it's a, it's a 15 minute drive of just solitude and anticipation to get to that first tea at TC's dream 18. So I don't know if that factored in, but that just makes me even more excited. That's one of the coolest, coolest parts about playing there. Yeah. And, you know, like, I know we're giving up maybe a tea box that's on the putting green,

because that's always a thrill. you know like the plantation course at seaside or at sea island or i know they've got that at yeah moraine or the golf club uh yeah places like that but but i think i like i'm willing to overlook that based on that that that drive is is just spectacular and then you can see coach and all that of course so all right number two i'm fascinated i'm fascinated here i haven't put in i haven't put nearly it'd be irresponsible. I know it's hard. It's to venture a guest. I know you're not the biggest uh, uh, uh, Cabot Cliffs fan ever, but the second whole cap of Cliffs is very cool. That's all that's on my nominees list. That's a very good one. Um, no, what do you got?

I've got Royal Melbourne East. Sure. You kind of make that left turn. It's a thrilling, it's a great driving hole. It's a great second shot. It's, it's a stern. It's like, all right, you know what? Like here, like I needed some stern par fours looking at everything. Royal Melbourne East, Royal Melbourne West. There's like 10 holes from each of them that, that like made the nominees. And, but this is just such a good, like, this is what we're doing today.

This is what this is about kind of thing. There's, there's great vegetation. You got a cool, cool corner of that property. There's land movement, you know. It's, it's a good transition from Sand Hills, right? You're not going to get everybody the bends sending him from sand hills. Yeah, exactly. It's like you got to, uh, you got to, uh,

you got to, uh, You got to ease people in. And I think that's part of the, it's part of the routing as well. Yeah. So I think, you know, like this is a very sandbelt heavy list. Or at least, actually, it's really not. I thought I was going to be.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of sandbelt nominees. I looked also at Woking. Rustic Canyon number two. I really like that whole splash world, Pine Valley. Prairie dunes. Really cool, par three, like straight up the hill. Colorado Golf Club is like this tiny little pocket-sized par three

that's that's pretty thrilling Essex County Club fun one. Muirfield's got a great second hole. Glens Falls Cabot Cliffs, the O'Hoopie Whiskey Loop. Again, I didn't know if that was cheating though. It's close. And then Streamsong Black. I think Streamsong Black, the second hole there is like maybe the best hole on property. That's a cool one. I did not think this of all things we've ever done would be like where you restricted yourself. Like I didn't know if that was cheating like picking the second hole on the whiskey routing. I don't play the right way.

I would love to see a nod for the second hole at Cullen. That part three. Oh, hell yes. It's like 200 feet straight up in the air. There's other holes that I thought about at Cullen. Can't box myself in. Also, I don't even want to walk that one every day. You know, that's tough.

This made me think of Roe Melbourne East, the first hole as a nominee as well. Totally. I hadn't fully, fully thought of that one. God. All right. We're off to a great start. Sorry, I could have gotten really scummy and gone with like the six different iterations of the composite course of Melbourne. That's true.

Technically in 1978, this was the second hole. That would have been scummy. Exactly. You know, I thought about like even like Dornick, like that that that second hole of part three. But at the end of the day, I'm like, no, that's probably more of like a nightmare 18. Yeah. I made like a 15 there. Dornick was.

one on the list too of like man it's one of the best golf course I've ever played I struggled to find a hole that I would dominate all the way to the top I'll see if we'll get there but like I had I had I got like three or four holes for Dornick uh you know in the conversation I had one that was that was far and away okay third hole royal adelaide yeah three hell yeah three was really really tough Kingston he row Melbourne west uh another woking one pine her schiskin uh was pine yeah yeah pinehurst was on there uh cow club placidempo great great third hole that you know long three short four whatever you want to call it uh oquant's number three n gLA terry edie roe melbourne west uh fisher's island uh splash world jack's beach yeah jack yeah i mean there you go jack's

speech old mac cabot links uh that was another one which one's the 30 cabot links it's a shorter four there's like a estuary or like a little lake down right and you can either drive it up close to the green or you can bail out left but then you have kind of a treacherous second shot in just like a really well designed hole out to the ocean kind of first first time being out there at the ocean yeah so it's a cool one but yeah broil adela lee steward yeah yeah yeah Good one. Yeah. What do you love about Royal Adelaide? Why was this the, I mean, you know, like the way it uses the land. A, you're right there by the clubhouse. It almost feels like a, you know, like the first two old are almost a preview. And then you get to 3T and you get the train line there and you get that little grass berm in front of the green. You could play it with, I mean, you could hit eight iron off that tea. You could hit driver off that tea and you get everything in between. I think. I love optionality. I love short part fours. You'll see that's a big, uh, theme of today's round, today's tasting menu guys. And, uh, but like I think also it's a cool

green like it can play radically different different days, putting on where the pin is. Uh, and you can also make like a seven or an eight there if you're, if you're not careful, like if you're over aggressive. Definitely it. The, the, the, the, a flaw in short forest can be like modern technology just teaches you like get close to the green and and figure it out. And like, you can trick yourself on a lot of holes into thinking, no,

I want a full shot into this one. When throughout it's like, no, you don't do. Just like even like being 50 yards away, you're, you're more likely to make a four than when you're 100 yards away. That is one hole that I'm like,

after playing it, I hit driver, try to hit by the green, hit it in the rough. And I was like, I should have hit six iron. I honestly should have. And it was one of the few holes of like short part fours

as I've ever played where I, like felt that strongly about it afterwards. I believe you called me, believe you called me Zach Johnson when I hit six iron off that day. Memory serves. I stand by that. Yeah, definition of simple, not easy. You know, I remember you guys saying this after when we made our tourist sauce episode there too.

It's just, we can do this elsewhere. Yes, that's not hard. This is not that hard, man. The land is great. And the up and over is very cool. And the green site's cool. But it's not impossible to find another place to put one of those. you know yeah yeah and like i think i like above ground hazards too i think they're under they're

under utilized everybody just uses bunkers or like i don't know i like weird shit right so um and i think after two longer holes it's nice to have a shorter one you know to really all right you know what like you're looking forward to that one yeah after you're after really trying to survive on on on number two at at rm east and then you know you get to pop you get to walk by and see all the guys that are hanging out on the on that brilliant porch they've got there uh it's great and it's just yeah there's not a whole lot better places to get a beer in the world than there so um at lagrange across the street well water in all guys i'm going completely off the off the board for number for neither of you have ever played this course before many i don't think that many americans have

ever played this course before we're going to go to the airshire coast of scotland and we're going to irvine bogside i have not stopped thinking about this whole since since i played it almost two years ago um it is it's a short par four james braid design uh i want both of you to pull it up on google maps It's, uh, bog side. Yeah, just Irvine Golf Club and in, you know, it's, it's, it's literally next to a bog. That's why they call it bog side.

That makes a great man, James Braid, one of my favorites. So you'll see the clubhouse there and then just below the clubhouse, south of the clubhouse, you'll see a par four that goes out to the river. Right along the, the, the road. Right along the railway. Yeah. And if you zoom in on the green, you see that there's a wall next to the green. And I mean, trains go by like every 10 minutes.

And there's just like fast trains that are going down to trune or going down to, you know, down the coast, ripping by there. They rumble the green. They rumble. And it's like it's a short par four. It's you can hit driver and try to get it on the green and run the risk of going out of bounds left, going over the wall, going up against the wall. or you can bail out right and then you've got this uphill chip with out of bounds long and this wall long

it's it's one of the most brilliant holes in the world and I was blown away that like I'd never heard of it before I'd never this whole place kind of rules and it's like a it's probably like a 60 60 pound round of golf it's it's spectacular god this is the this is the goal man we're learning stuff we're not just playing the hits

I love this. TC, these are flavors I wasn't even familiar with. That's why I came to the restaurant. And I'm stunned because the fourth hole is probably one of the most depth, probably one of the strongest depth of any hole out there. At least like I thought of a bunch of fourth holes that I think could easily fit the bill. St. George's Hill was was in the mix. I think once Brian Schneider gets done with that,

I think it'll be even better. TBC Sawgrass, Bandon Trails, woking with its third nomination of the day. Four holes. Sand Hills. NGLA again. Burl Melbourne West. Fisher's Island.

Splash World. The Valley Club. Springfield Country Club in Ohio. Band and Dunes. Any other one, Sally? La Hinch. The Klonbeck is up there. Yeah.

Ballet Bunyan. Fourth Ballet Bunyan along the coast there. um pacific dunes people love it it's not my favorite hole but yeah gosh i mean i i love it just like we may have to stop by this this fourth hole at irvine at some point just so you guys can see it and it's the same train line that that you know runs next to to trune runs next to you know all these other courses on that on that coastline and uh here i'll i'll send you guys the it's called the more is the name of the hole and here i'll send you the link real quick in the chat there's a great bridge right behind the hole like one of those kind of old school you know

1800 style oh yeah looks like an aqueduct of us yeah i mean sally it's truly like a it's it's It's a continuation of the simple, not easy theme of these two holes in a row, three at Royal Adelaide and then four. I love that you have one that kind of goes a little left, one that goes a little right too, you know, or kind of one where you're playing left to right, one where you're playing right to left. It's kind of a fun little back to back. I can't look at that footage right now. It just makes me want to get off way too much. I can't do that right now. Yeah, this is a good pick.

You got a great skyline here that you're looking out at. Great river behind train. Anytime you work in any kind of infrastructure, I know that's double points. Exactly. So this is a great pick. Exactly. There's a like there's a great overhead view of it on their their site too of just all these drone shots as well. It's it's awesome.

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part three right say it yeah yeah rome albert west yes yeah i mean there it was it was that i looked at pinehurst five i looked at the eden course at st. andrews crossing par threes really cool uh bell air terry edie casa de compo great fifth hole there the uh the par three uh crystal downs like one of the coolest fifth holes in the world with this wacky mackenzie green uh frederick peak which one was the fifth was that the downhill that was cool wild horse band and trails uh o hoopee and dun avertie no i mean pine valley's got to be on the list

part yeah i don't i just don't want to play that every day it's hard it is it is hard that would be a lot of uh basically three and a halfs in a row yeah did you say lehinch i didn't say lehinch well hitch is one that i need to go back and play there again because he hates line shots no i love lehinsch and i get to have hughie on the bag if i you know if we go back there's only for a hole but um lehinsch is just like the hinge mere field there's a few other places that like the totality of the place exceeds the the singular holes like i looked at the del hole or the klondike or the linch i was actually more taken by the stuff right after that like six seven eight nine i loved uh this is

this is a this is a no-brainer t-s i mean the clichés are cliches for a reason right that's this one's got to be on the list especially coming after your your expedition to uh western scull and going way off the board. You got to snap people back in. Exactly. And it's always good to get the good doctor involved. And, you know, abandon trails. It's like, it's like a, it's like an homage to, to the OG at, you know, at RM West.

So T.C. signature hole. Yeah. Listen, there's some people that are, they're going to say that we're, we're getting too wacky in this, in this opening stretch. We're going back to back par threes, though. Mm. All right. Can't do that. Sixth hole part three.

We're going back to back short fours and then back to back part three is right after that. So four one shotters in a row. Dornick. Oh yeah, good guess. It's a no brainer. I mean, I love the fifth hole at Dornick as well. But the sixth hole, like I'm just, I think about that shot a lot. And it's, it's, you want to talk about consequential swings.

Like you could wreck your round there very, very early. Uh, and, you know, getting that, getting that front right bunker. of those front bunkers or miss long left and you're putting it off green like there's just a lot of downside risk there and it's truly one of those holes that makes you pucker i hope we're playing the footage right now of within three of us birdie it during torres awesome we're there in 2018 they call four of us hit the green yeah it's uh yeah again i got no notes tc this is this is this is great imagine coming you got randy reading from the book of yardage on that t-box what are your nominees here because this is this is an interesting

one I think too I've got LACC one of the better you know we could go three four fours in a row we've got it's a play might be a visible out here's DC oh for sure he's the only play in the course this dream yeah we've got Ely we've got Karnusti Shiskin Corey Handmere very very Scottish here uh county Sligo uh R M West another one for that lehench uh Essex county club mammoth dunes that's the one with that boomerang kind of green uh the creek uh great great hold down down the hill there and then a tree farm as well no pebble mention no pebble mention no we're just not going to do that what it's not what we're about it's not what we're about man dc's going that hole could be a lot

if they want to improve that hole or you know make that that left hillside off the tee if they want to make that uh out of bounds then we can talk about it or if they want to put 6T back where 5 green is. We can talk about that too and you hit over the the cove. But until they kind of rethink things a little bit over there, they're not getting any mentions. I'd love to see you maybe buy that land left of 6 TC and put up either housing or maybe an office park or something that we can we can make that OB.

Because it's, yeah, it's just abysmal as it. There's just no reason to ever even get close to the water there. We could bring the Faws in and do a whole waterfall, Yeah, that could be good. Yeah. So any other nominees for 60? No, that did you say pack dunes? I didn't say pack dunes, but that's a good, that's a good shout.

One of the, Neil's weirdest analogies ever that somehow works. Looks like somebody wearing a tuxedo backwards. It almost makes sense that it makes sense. That's, yeah, that's a perfect, perfect one. There's certain, like, I felt like Shinnickokk in National and Chicago Golf Club to an extent. Like there's so many holes that could be nominated, but there's just so many like eats. That's kind of what I meant earlier. Just like some of these, you know, there's a lot of really good solid floors, but not a lot of stuff that melts your brain like the fourth at Irvine that you can't stop thinking about.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking for like wildly distinctive stuff that's just either completely best in class or something that you're never going to see anywhere else. Yeah. I forget if it was on your short list, but you kind of mentioned already. Hinch would be the other, that'd be the other one. Yeah. I'd throw out. All right.

Like another reason why, you know, we couldn't go with, with LACC there was because we're going, we've got another short four, number seven. So you know what this one is. Terry E.D.? Yes. Yeah. Correct. I mean, it's just, that's like if, that's, that's in the top three of like, if you gave me one

one hole to play for the rest of my life, it's, it's that one. Just, you know, like, I don't know. The wind can change. You come back to the clubhouse. The clubhouse is on this little shelf right above the hole. There's this massive tree left of the green. You've got, you know, Neil, Neil blew it up onto the clubhouse deck, like two days in a row there. And he has to hit this massive, like 60-yard flop shot down.

He had to walk all the way around to get up there. it took in five minutes um it's a great it's a great shootout hole piney green i love tiny greens like i like stuff that really puts the fear of god and you like all right this is this is a this a drivable floor but you got to earn your way on here you got to earn your way on you got to take it on it's it's not like a given you're just going to get on even if you're right next to it i like that too yeah and just you know the setting you're not there right on the ocean but you just it's it's it's there and it's kind of at your back and you've played great holes and you got great stuff to look forward to as well so uh i looked also at cyprus this one that par three you know number

seven in cypress is great sundingdale old uh one of the best kind of blind up and over holes in the world uh dunbar um some weird stuff with the wall there a little dogleg right uh county sligo I really like that stretch of the course as well. That burn kind of running through there. Crystal Downs and GLA, Sweden's Cove, the seventh hole. Brilliant, brilliant seventh hole, kind of the one hole that there's nothing to help you on any side of it. You're just out there without a parachute or without a life jacket on. La Hinch, Pactoons, Sand Valley.

And I put the trefoam one there too. I think the two strongest holes of the tree form are six. seven so um yeah there you go but yeah i mean we've got you know we've got drivable fours at three four and seven and we've got part three is at five and six so this thing's a thrill ride it's right here 2,800 yard front nine that you could shoot 45 on tc's gonna shoot 62 but is that have a course rating can't enter it can't do it yeah number eight we're going to splash world going to pine valley this one's this one's got the double green that long either right I mean, no, it's not.

It's got to be what, some 400 yards and, and, uh, two greens for the price of one, though, is huge. That's good value. You hit the halfway house before that hole, too, don't you? I think so. Yeah. So you got, you know, you can pop in there, grab a small, grab a little bite and, and, you know, hop into a little, a little, you know, windmill thing there and then. Splash world's pun valley for those that are not, uh, not tracking that track, not tracking that. You know, sometimes I'm not a huge fan of double, like, of having not a double green, but like having two greens for the same hole.

This one, I feel like both greens are exceptional and it's, we're really getting like 10 different holes in one here. Yeah. This is good value for the members here. Exactly. This is doing the most with a small flip for it. I love it. Exactly. Just a, yeah, thrilling second shot and you get two of them is, is hard to beat.

Because I love like beyond, uh, short fours i love consequential short two shot fours like 16 at posse tampos another one we're like i'm thinking about that wedge shot from the moment i t off or even the night before you know number number four at sawgrass is the same thing there's i like i love having a wedge in my hand and but at the same time having the fear of god in me oh i love it be sick if you went uh number nine at uh pack dunes this so you got four greens and two holes uh i looked at card noosti i looked at the eden course again that that crossing part threes uh harry colt had my heart there looked at trune new zealand golf club margdell plata pinehurst uh great you know that's kind of that four and a half typifies what i

think about pinehurst yeah cypress point uh you know up there to uh to you know the great man's house up there, kind of the center of the maze. Crystal Downs, great par five up the hill. And then Colorado Golf Club was another one short, short four as well. So, but yeah, I mean, Sally, anything I'm missing there as far as I struggle with this one a little bit and I didn't get very far in my exercise. But Cruden Bay, I thought was at least a little bit of a mention the little four there in the bottom of the dune, driveable four there. We are drawn to the driveable force, I know. but yeah and that would be that would be it's too many four drivable holes and six whole tc i know i'm being a simp here but the eighth hole of pebble beach is pretty cool man i don't know it's it's

pretty cool i would put nine ahead of eight personally at poble beach but eight's pretty cool it's it's pretty cool uh i'll just i'll throw that so we don't get sued you know we got we got we got for compliance just feel like we maybe have to mention that one in the eighth hole yeah Okay, that's fair. That's fair. And the other reason why we couldn't go with a short four, number eight is because I've got one at number nine. That's that's Ely. Oh, Ely.

Over the, you know, over the hill there. Like you crest the hill. Oh, no. T.C. T.C. That's 10. Oh, is that 10? Oh, no.

Oh, no. Oh, shit. Oh, God. All right. Well, then we're going to put Cyprus. person. Does that change anything downstream? No, no. There was not a cypress hole on here.

Oh, my God. That just put so much pressure on 10. There's no, but there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no Ely now. Yeah. Fuck. Oh, that would have been such a good pick to do down to the ocean. Yeah. We might, we might still have to do it to them. Get the kids out there just rolling balls, you know, see it out close. They can roll it from a hundred yards away.

that's uh that's this i hate this for you man this is devastating all right all right well let's go through i nominated king's and he everybody stay calm here hold that part three at part of pinehurst uh st george's hill it's a great ninth hole there up back to that clubhouse royal lhythm uh terry edie pinnacock myopia fisher's island um we're gonna we're gonna go with we're gonna go with cypress there i think cypress Cyprus wins the day. It's Bryson's, I think it's his favorite hole in the world. One of my favorite holes in the world.

And now, now it is part of the, part of the dream 18. What is the favorite holes in the world, but not part of his dream 18 originally. God, now, now we're in a real pickle here on 10. What was 10 and does it change to Ely 10? It was posse tempo 10 because I feel like when you play, when you step onto that, it's a big walk up to the 10th hole. Like it's big walk up the ninth hole long par four. And then you walk up this big hill and the 10th line's part five right nine's a five yeah okay big up the hill you're right yeah yeah yeah um I think they play it as a four in the

in the collegian in the collegiate but you know you walk up that big hill and then you get to the back nine you cross the street you get to the back nine and it's like entering a different portal like I feel like I'm just going into a different place and time and and the the I think the energy back there It's just one of one. And there's this little house on the left, on the, on the, on the left side of the hole there, right on the dog leg, big tree there. Like that's, I think that's like my spiritual resting place. That, that thing. It's a big brawny par four, which we need a little bit of.

Crazy that I've only played this golf course one time. And I know exactly the house you're talking about. I could still picture it. The great green. You know, but guys, they've, they've redone the place. They've restored it. Jim or Beena and I haven't been there

since they redid it so I can't say for certain I feel like we need another drive-able four and so we're going to Ely yeah I think it's a no-brainer yeah the second the second James Braid nomination here I looked also

at Sunningdale Old the Jockey Club that boomeret like elevated boomerang green there Splash World Kingston Heath a little par three there We're all Melbourne east, the park. I thought, I think that like up and over love that hole. But Ely, man, like on a clear day when you crest that hill and you can either bang one,

you know, bang driver and just figure out, all right, like, it could go long of the green. It could, you know, you may not find it. You could make a hole in one. But it's just, it's a thrilling reveal. I've sat at the top of that, that hill. many like, probably three different times and just hit putts in the top and tried to make them from a hundred yards out. It's, I don't know. I love Ely and I wanted, I wanted Ely to have a place on this list.

I love the place. This is a great, great selection, T.C. Even with the rejiggering that had to go on to do it. Will you make people wear tall socks when they play this whole? I know Ely the club has kind of gone away from this rule. but I just didn't know if you as a history respecter. I don't know if you would allow shorts. If you'd allow low socks, what your philosophy is there?

I will. I think we have to stick with tradition. At least you have to wear high socks for the T shot. Once you get over the hill, you can pull them down because we won't be able to see you from the periscope. And make sure you put your crocs on after that. You go barefoot, right? Oh, it's such a cool, man. down to the water you see 11 12 the whole corner down there it's so look across the firth yeah it's killer

you got some infrastructure out there you got the oil rigs and all that stuff so uh 11 we're going to the old course boys i hope so um you know that's i just i love that whole i love being all the way out there on the on the estuary you're mad about the road hole well yeah i mean he's like his favorite whole in the world but not necessarily on the dream 18 yeah I mean once but I probably wants put pebble in there that's probably why for 17 yeah yeah yeah pebble or sawgrass or something like that no I think I don't know it's a thrilling shot I'm just thinking of like like I love hitting over the old course hotel and all of that but like I just like the feeling of being as far away from the clubhouse as possible that's the last shot you hit before you start making your way in

you know it's i don't know it's just it's among the most thrilling singular shots in golf you get it downwind and it feels impossible you get it into the wind it feels even harder it is just it's the uh i made two there once and it's the only time that i've ever been like man you can play this game you know that was the most well earned you can do this player this is that was the most well earned to you have ever made your whole life you're going to carry that one with you forever i had like a four iron It was playing like 165 or something. Like it was just a 210 shot into the wind up there somehow just held it again. I remember everything about it.

And it was like that I've also made eight there. You know, and it's just as I see what you're going for. I feel like we needed a girthy part three that makes you really, really lock in. Yeah. I'm interested for making up some yardage here on these last seven holes. We are. There's. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's just a short horse. Yeah. Yardage is a construct. No, I got no problem with it. I'm just curious. I'm curious if you're going to bend to the, you know, the conventional wisdom.

Yeah. I mean, what, you know, what else do you guys have as far as, as far as nominees there? I mean, Pasa would be a nominee here, right? I hadn't gotten that far. I liked Broom Sedge 11th came to mind. 12? 11. Oh, 11 or 11.

Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Possa's cool. It's a cool. Yeah. I had broom sedges, something that came to mind. A little postage stamp par three,

kind of an inverse of the of the trune, par three, really cool bunkering there was just something that came to mind. I hadn't put a lot of thought into 11 yet, but I had Royal Adelaide on there. That's a, the Corey hole. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

This was sawgrass. Harder than I thought. 11, a little harder than I thought. Country Copa Charleston, that part three, the Redan, part three there. Good one. I've got Sunningdale Old

that's you know just that's a that's a pretty killer short four like a drivable four but listen I think we've over indexed on travel maybe too many at this point

yeah we got to move off of that St. George's Hill um that's a really great part three I think it'll be even better once they kind of expand the green back out Terry 80 that par five down to the

back down to the water there um pinnacock don't have to explain that one you guys uh Essex county another great part three oakmont shore acres lehench ballet bunyan mid pines all the other ones i had there mid pines another great great part three there feels so sand belty i always forget about mid pines i know yeah um but yeah i just i don't know i love i love that i love that all with the old course It's, it's, I don't even think it's my favorite hole at the old course, but I think it's, it's got a place here. Cause I think it's, it's like one of the quintessential part three is golf as as we said, it puts a lot of pressure on 17, but that's we'll cross that bridge when we get there. We're going to sunningdale number 12. Sunningdale old. Uh, it's really like just handsome handsome golf hole wanted to get some heather involved here wanted to get it's it's four 50 from the tips.

get a little bit of length going. There's there's kind of multiple, multiple ways to get to the hole. You got the cross bunkers. I love a good set of cross bunkers there. And then you've got this, this knob short right. That's, it's just a gorgeous knob, cool green, kind of benched into the hillside. I love a good knob. That was why number nine at St. George's Hill was on there.

There's this left hole location that's got a knob that obviously core, you know, Corcoran, big knob guys as well. Yeah. Big knobs. Big knob guys. Salah, any complaints with that or? No, no. This is your list, D.C. I'm not going to complain about any of your nominations. All right. I might raise a couple questions, but this is, this is not one that we're going to pick apart. I would throw, uh, the threat, Aaron Hills. I love the 12th old Aaron Hills. Kind of around around the big, uh, giant mounds, big giant knobs kind of.

Hobbs. knobs. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, E. E. Lee was another nomination. Oh, that's really good one. You got that hole number right, but you didn't. I know, I know. It does feel like that should be the ninth hole at Ely. I will give you that. And I've thought of that before.

But yeah, that's a really good one. Ely, that, that, that is one of the best holes I've ever played. Listen, we considered it. Bel Air. That's the, that's the, um, May West. Whole County Sligo Lecumbre. That's the 66 yard par three.

even a little bit of length. Southern Hills number 12 is awesome. Wild Horse and then I've got Splash World as well. Splash World 12 is out of this world. But again, short par floor. Yeah. Kind of kind of, you know. It's true.

Spit the bit on that. And the Fah is in the Foss mess of all the bunker sand and everything. I don't mind. Yeah, I don't mind the Foss. It's a good Pine Valley is, people say that's the worst hole at Pine Valley. It's like, yeah, could make my dream mate. I think 14's the worst hole at Pine Valley.

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So get a complimentary gift and get the best in golf travel gear when you use code NLU at Clubglovegolf.com today. Back to the pod. 13 i feel like going to brora brora okay guy a little par three a little par three over the creek there again guys there's it's not the best hole it's not i just that setting of there's a little bridge there's it's it's just i don't it's like this i can't explain it it's just the way that standing on that t-box i've stood on that t-box twice in my life and that whole occupies so much space in my psyche of it's just like the most pastoral gorgeous scene i think last time there was a

rainbow going behind there's there was sheep great i don't think they have the sheep anymore but there were sheep grazing there you're looking back north and then you kind of you know and you kind of turn back around but uh it's just a gorgeous setting i can't argue with any of that i mean that's a that's a that's an endorsement there i don't know i mean maybe if they don't have the sheep this doesn't matter, but I was curious if you have to run electrical lines for the, for the fences around the greens. If that's a one-off job, you got to run out there, but it might not be an issue anymore. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's an issue anymore. I think, and you know, part of the reason when I chose this, you get to go see the great man, Malcolm Murray when you're

up Rora. I guess he's going down to Tane to be the club pro down there. Congrats to him, but, you know, that was that was part of the part of the reasoning as well i looked also at cyprus i love that 13th hole before you get you know you kind of catch yourself looking ahead then you're like oh my god this is this is as good as anything 15 16 17 um ely like those back to back uh holes there at ely i love 13 as well the hinge uh north barrack dege i know that one speaks to you for sure it's you know maybe a miss on my end but you'll We've got a North Barricle coming up. Okay.

Presswick, Harbor Town, the bulkhead. Oh, that's a good one. Our 4 at Harbor Town there. I know you love the part three in Sawgrass. We've shot of Sawgrass out a bunch. That's a good one. Yeah, it's a good one.

I don't think it quite made this list. Pack Dunes, 13th hole. Sawgrass one is in the shadow of the, you know, everything you just said about the pastoral setting and the rainbow, the Sawgrass one does back up to the Sawgrass Marriott, which I thought could have could have. It elevates it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm such an idiot. I was like 13 North Barrett, which one's that one? I know 14. Oh my God. It's a fucking pit. You know, again, a shorter par four.

You know, I just, I think there's a better hole there at North Barrett. So anything I'm missing 13 wise. Sorry, what was the actual selection? We've set a lot of 13th holes. Burra. That's right. That's right. So.

Listen, not for everybody, but this is my list. It's your list. It's your list, dog. list. I love it. Now I'm curious. The next like five holes, I am extremely curious. We haven't had a part five since the first hole, right? We have not.

I don't know if we're going to get another one. I know he's bucking. You know, just finished five par five. Five par five. I love par five. I know. Ely doesn't have any though. Gosh, you know what I hope you pick, T.C.

Just because you don't think I'm going to pick another short part four, Bated Trails. In trails. I did not take that in trails. This has got to be North Barrack. No. Mm. No.

It's Woking. Ah, Woking, getting a lot of nominees earlier. 4-5. You got a pretty, it's pretty simple. Like, it's hemmed in by trees. I don't feel like we've had, we've kind of gone to the Heathland with the 12th hole. One, a little bit more, Heathland, with the 14th hole.

You got the heather blooming. And it goes, it's a part-five that goes back to the clubhouse. And there's people just having Pims cups, Bob rolls on the veranda. out there. No, you're Bavril guy. Huge Bavril guy. And you've got a sea of Ivy or of, of, of, uh, Heather there kind of up the right side.

You've got some brilliant, brilliant, uh, you know, bunkering there short, right. It's, I don't know, I think it's just everything that I want Heathland golf to be. And I wanted to make sure that, that, like, I haven't, I think in three years when I do this list, the Heathland stuff will probably be better represented. and it currently is, but I wanted to make sure that Woking is on here because I think it's such an important club in the history of like the game and golf course architecture, and I think it's just often overlooked. Yeah, it's not a not a necessarily remarkable piece of land, which I think is what I like about it. It's greater than the sum of its parts and, you know, just willing to do different, like try weird shit back in the day.

The, and Tom Simpson had a hand in it. You're making me want to go see a lot of places I haven't seen, you know, which I think is the goal of, I keep pulling up Heathland websites, and that's the worst thing you could do. Like,

it's just, that is the pictures of golf courses that make you want to play the most. I think they're Heathland. Yeah. I mean, are you on the, the, uh,

Woking website? Do you see them? Yeah, I'm looking at it. Well, yeah, I can't quite, yeah,

par five, 5, 5 160 yards, a couple of cool crowds, yeah. There's nothing like that remarkable about it but it's just like substance and meat you know it's like you got to eat your like you're eating your veg so yeah i think otherwise looking at it kinks and heath was certainly in the mix it's a great

great hole kind of up it over there uh real dornick well you said it uh the old course um you know from a from a par five perspective there you look at carnusty um Um, Karn, the wild Atlantic dunes course again, didn't know where to put that. Uh, so I, I just slaughtered it in there. County Sligo, Pasta, Tampa, great 14th hole of Pasta Tampa, meaty par four with the, with the short grass kind of, um, not ravine, but what do you call it? Crenca trench. Yeah. Sand Hills. Great 14th hole at Sand Hills. Friarshead, Wild Horse. Wild horse getting a lot of love it you know a lot of noms here valley club um yeah so that's 14 so you you haven't you have a north barrack hole it's 15 right it's got be the redan it's not 15

really i'd be 16 but i can't isn't 16 isn't isn't going to pick posse deumbo i have no well i already add posse oh that's right that's right that's right okay yeah 15's not not not north barrack yeah I can't keep track of what's been picked. I know. On the West Coast, it's a great green site. It's maybe not the most spectacular hole, even on that golf course, but it's abandoned trails. Sure.

I just love that hole. Yeah. I love that. I love that. I love that. It's a great green site. It's just the green site's situated back in that little corner there that gets skinnier and skinnier, the deeper into it you get. Again, it's just a, just.

Just a substantive. Two badass shots. You know, that's a, that's a great one. A grower. I did. I did. Yeah. Just waiting for somebody to bring that.

I also forgot about that. I had to think about it. Did I? Yeah. I think I did actually. Yeah. Yeah. I've got Cypress Point as a nominee.

I sure. For the 15th hole versus the 16th hole. Uh, there I've got Dunbar. I've got Terry Eady. Uh, great. hard part three their Kingsley club awesome hole yeah i was waiting for a Kingsley a Kingsley mention uh chambers bay the part yeah you know to out towards out towards the water the lone tree right yeah uh yeah i have to bring up splash world it's the one of the

few remaining actual part of the world endangered part five's uh short acres great hole they've short four of Victoria siley oh god Yeah, that one's that's going to be mine. I'll just call that right now. Oh my God, that whole rules. Keeping with the, the concepts of like holes that go back to the clubhouse, but aren't nine or 18 Valley Club,

big fan there. And then I've got Muirfield. I've got Cabot Cliffs, that par five with a little knob the front of the green and then mid pines as well. So kind of a ball splitter there. Yeah. Cabot cliffs. I have to revisit so many of these golf courts.

Like I don't the holes are not rolling off my, uh, or rolling into my head nearly as fast as I would like them to be. I know. That's what this is a good motivational pod. Yeah. But like, but truly like maybe tomorrow I'm in like a sadistic shitty mood and I get, you know, there's, it's a totally different list. Well, you change one thing and it can impact the whole rest of it. Oh, it makes it. Outstream effects.

Yeah. Uh, so 16. We're going to North Barric. I love the 16th hole in North, North Barric. If anybody built out green today. like they would be in similarly silent wired yeah and it's like thrilling you got a little wall to hit over you know anytime you can implement walls is good it's uh i love north barrack obviously would be probably my uh fourth or fifth choice from north barrack which is very sick that like you can go

four or five deep it's still find one that that makes its way onto a dream 18 it's that's i love it you don't I don't have like I'm trying to think if you have team stacked you don't have too many uh just insane oh greens either exactly you know it's a good yeah fits for the same reason it fits exactly exactly obviously cypress gets a mention here um like first gets a mention rome albert east gets a mention that part three just one of the most proper par three is in the world the old course gets a mention i think 16 often gets under under rated uh you know they're in the of 17. I've got Dunbar as well, just an awesome little hole there. Jockey clip. But the thing with Dunbar too is they're redoing the routing. They're building a new clubhouse. Do you get grandfathered? I was worried about that. That's very ethical. Ethical to avoid. Jockey clubs is the one with those crazy landforms. It kind of looks like eight at Augusta. Banded. Oh. I didn't have banded on here. Actually.

really um but yeah 16 abandoned that would that would that would that would track could you get another for far sure for the bad line here pasta tempo yeah i mean maybe top five favorite hole in the world but not on my dream 18 sure um but again haven't played it since they since they redid it so i don't know if they've they've neutered it or or taking it down or not or anything uh 16 at sand hills you know cool very very fun hole uh kind of has has has I was going to say that's your that's your that's your kind of your nemesis from last time thrilling drive thrilling second shot yeah and kind of the originator of the core Crenshaw knob in front of the green ball splitter yeah uh may recency bias and pressure thones not for 15 as

well but costa de compo both 15 and 16 yeah um stuck out to me of just amazing pete die holes in the ocean yeah yeah so that's kind of i'd shinnock a few other ones on long island for there But yeah, 16 at North Barrack, I just, when I think about that golf course, I just think that sideways, you know, diagonal beer, it's hole that like went on Ozempic. Basically, it's just like the little shrunken version of the beer hits and really, really extreme. I love it. I love it. 17's a little bit of a curveball. But I know the feeling of I get when I stand on that T-box and also when I'm.

I hit this this second shot. So we've got four par fours in a row coming down the stretch. Actually five part fours. Oh, sorry, four par fours in a row on the stretch. So only two par fives on this course, four par threes. What country are we in? We're in the United States. How many feels.

You played there in the last four months, five months. I have. Played a lot of golf in the last four or five months. A hoopy? Yeah. Oh, I love it. That holds a great hole. So cool.

Oh, wow. Yeah. So cool. Great green. So much bad stuff that can happen. You can wind up in one of those soft bunkers up there. But very, very much a do or die kind of match play hole, obviously. But the, yeah, the second shot is so fun.

You can really choose your adventure off the tea. Great, great trees up there by the, by the tea. You know? Yeah. lot of like the way all those all those tees a prairie dunes thing go yeah the way all those teas are stacked there and you can kind of choose your you know choose your direction of where you want to go from uh it's a great kind of going from the savannah portion of the property like that you know yeah grass see the zebra's in the background yeah out you know thrilling little hole right there

in front of it to you know back into the woods and stuff i i love that choice it's a walk through a bunker up to the green that's that's cool There's that dune feature that comes out on the right, you know, from right to left. You can lay as far left as you want, but you're kind of pushing the challenge off to the second shot, which I don't think you want to do there. There's that little like post, like the details, the walk, all of it, it kind of represents everything I love about like cool modern golf courses. I think it's a great choice. That would be my hoopy choice as well. Like every time I play that course, I just like we're fortunate to play it every year for Gills thing. I've been up a couple of times.

And every time I play it, I like it more and more. Yeah. And I'm kind of reminded of like, man, I always forget about how good this freaking hole is. Especially, I mean, the, yeah, the way they move that pin around and the, you know, a little wedge to the front pin is got you licking your chops. You lay back off the tee to a back pin and you're just hanging on for dear life. It's like some very interesting, pretty fucked up spots to miss. on that hole. It's it's a great choice. It's one of those things too like talking about you know the third hole at royal adelaide or um you know eight at splash world it's like like I want to

I want to have a wedge in my hand and yet at the same time have the fear of God and yeah 16 at Paso Tampo does that to you as well like it's like oh yeah like I could spin this back 85 feet off the front of the screen, like make a quad, you know? Like that's, that's what I want to feel when I have a wedge in my hand. But then you can also pull the shot off as well. Yeah. So it's a great one. 18.

Just Melbourne East nominee for 17 would be one of mine. Oh yes. Yeah. And Melbourne East like the last three holes. Yeah. Melbourne East like 16, 17, 18, like great holes. One of the best finishing stretches in the world. 18 is super interesting.

I'm trying to remember what we have picked already. 18's a little philosophical too. It's like, what do you want your 18th hole to be? You know, what do you want something spectacular? Do you want something fair to settle a match? What was your philosophy?

That would probably make it a little easier to guess. I want something that is getable, but you got to do the right stuff. Did you, did you pick a Pine Valley hole yet? I did. Eight. Oh, eight.

right okay yeah hmm i thought about the old did you pick a great yeah yeah i picked but i picked 11 at the old shinncock oh you pick the clubhouse you picked the clubhouse yeah pick the clubhouse it's not shin at cock i've got roe moberne east nominated but it's not i didn't pick that visby uh sure sure well one of the great finishing holes in all of golf car no Five one. Carnucey's a good one. You know, great, great finishing hole,

ball buster. Bel Air with the bridge and all that. Jockey club, it's kind of a play on the old course there. San Francisco Golf Club has got a great, great 18th hole. Inverness, the non-Soulheim Cup routing.

Great 18th hole there kind of through like a little half pipe. Essex County Club up in Massachusetts. That's the third nomination for them. But no, this one's in England. Hmm. It's going to be a blind spot. In northwest England,

Sully. Lhythm? Lhythm. Hmm. Interesting. I love it. Thoughts? It's just a championship test.

I have to think. I have to think all that. I get it because it's downstream effects of a lot of things, but I also struggle with 18th holes. It is. There's not that many good ones. It is a bit of a challenge. I think I would put Pebble 18 above Lhythm,

but this is your list. It's not mine. And I get the statement you're making about pebble. I do. I do. I would think that deserves a nomination. Actions are speaking louder than words here. That's one of the great golf holes.

I think Lidtham, there's 17 bunkers on that hole. It's truly like you got to have the minerals on that shot. It's about precision. It's about like you can't overpower it. It's not tricky though at the same time. Like if you hit a straight, you know, very sensible drive down the middle, it's a 400 yard hole straight away. I love the clubhouse. Love just you know what you got to do.

Here's what you got to do. Go do it. Go make a birdie here. You know, I think it's it's right there in front of you. But you got to, you got to avoid all these landmines along the way. I think it's great. It's, yeah. It's got pedigree.

It's got, you know, lays the challenge out for you. I think this is a great way to wrap it up. I think it fits the theme of the rest of what we're doing. I just, I'd be honored to play this golf course. Thank you, Dij. I think it's like, you know, you finish up in the shadow of that of that Tudor style clubhouse with the red roof and the green. Right where Gary Clayton proved his lie back there. Exactly.

You know, Adam Scott's devastated, Ernie. There's just so much history there. I think it's the most underrated open champion. you um and yeah you hop in your pneumatic tubes and go to the shinnock for post round beer you know it's it's great or the valley club for a post round margarita on the porch uh this is excellent this did not disappoint tc no it's great yeah and as noted this is a lot harder than it looks like looks like to do so some questionable decisions but not as many questionable decisions as i would have expected tc honestly so yeah like i listen i don't know if we're getting to

6,000 yards. That's fun. We're gonna have to add it up. I mean, you're not trying to host a fucking PGA, you know? Yeah. I'm trying to play golf with my friends. Yeah. I honestly think, but like any of us that do this, like our second attempt at it might

even be better than the first because like the debt, you know, picking a different hole in each, you know, it's a, it's, you, you'll start, it'll trigger a thought in something else that you had. And again, moving one chest piece around can affect the entire board. It's, you know, back to your, your. first hole at Sand Hills. It's the, it's the constellation map. You know, there's 180 holes we could have picked out there. How do we pick the best 18? That's, that's the challenge. Exactly. And, yeah, I don't know. There's just, there's some that kind of pull at the heartstrings.

There's some that are just technically great. There's some that are, you need some connective tissue or, you know, some girth or some mass there. Yeah, like, I don't know. I'm disappointed. I didn't get anything like, like Schiskin. Um, I think the sixth hole. at schiskin's like one of my favorite short par fours in the world but who know but again we'd have we'd have five short fours in a you could do that though if it was if it was your if it was your next iteration if it was your dream 12 that might have changed your whole philosophy you might have picked you should do a dream short four list you should just do it all the 18 that's what we just did yeah Victoria number one North Barrack maybe 18 if you want I think you could do it I really think you

could do it I'd put that course too it definitely gets you thinking too about like why aren't there better first holes or what are the themes with first holes like a lot of the best first holes that i identified were par fives yeah for whatever reason um you know or wide wide bareways and then somewhat big greens but kind of a demanding second shot from a you know it's it's testing you like three like i can't believe i didn't even nominate it here three pinehurst number two yeah you nominated one of my oh it did okay yeah that's another one that's like i don't know i don't know i love like that's a wedge what's the fear of god in your head though you know you got a really really just technical technical second shot so how uh how are you feeling after all

a sudden done you feel like you represented your your golfing world here yeah i feel good i feel relieved yeah than anything that's out there in the world and you know people can poke and proud or whatever but um but no i walk a mile in my shoes you make your own damn list you know what tc great in the comments great art is never finished It's only abandoned, right? And then that's what I think we did today. And it makes you want to go play more golf courses. I think this course that I put together makes you want to keep playing.

Yeah. Like you don't feel tired. You don't feel worn out or beaten down. You're thinking your way through the course as well. And that's my favorite course is like a lhythm or a Kingston Heath or a Terry ED. Your brain is on fire. You're thinking your way through the place. And then there's these pops of deep feeling as well.

So, well, kudos. Thank you guys. Thank you, I appreciate you creating a safe space for me to share, to share these fundamental truths. Look forward to doing this with you 10 more times as you keep it already on this stuff.

Thank you, everyone for listening. We'll see it back here next week. Crack on.