No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1155: Reitan wins Truist, Jeeno at Mizuho, and a lengthy notebook

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

Recap of events across the globe: Kristofer Reitan wins the Truist over Rickie Fowler and Nicolai Hojgaard, Brandt Snedeker wins by one over Mark Hubbard at Myrtle Beach, Jeeno Thitkul defends her title at the Mizuho LPGA Mountain Ridge in New Jersey, and Lucas Herbert wins by four over Sergio Garcia at LIV Virginia. Plus, a lengthy news-and-notes section served up by TC. Presented by Titleist. Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf High Noon - Sun's Up! Rhoback - code NLU for 20% off at https://www.rhoback.com Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf The NLU email newsletter: bi-monthly updates on all things NLU: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/subscribe Join The No Laying Up Nest: https://nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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gentlemen welcome back to the no laying up live show the no langup podcast presented by our friends at title us my name is DJ we got a fun a fun trio today we don't get this trio very often me TC and Randy

kind of like a bullpest game. Maybe we're trying to save some arms. You know, we got a big series coming up at Eranamic this week. TC, how are you doing, man? I am fired up, Dege. This is one of the most robust agendas we've ever had before. We got all sorts of transcripts, all sorts of funny notes. Let's get weird, guys.

This is a, you know, it's going to be good when you get like Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon note from T.C. Hey, I'm dropping stuff in. I mean, there's just hundreds of things in this agenda. Randy, I don't know how we're going to get to it all. Sally always admonishes us when we try to turn this into a trap draw monitoring session, but I truly believe that's what we have today. There's just so much going on.

I love it. Well, it's good to be with you guys. We got a ton of, I mean, if the winners around the world is a sign of how this episode is going to go, I think that says it all. Of course, at the truest, we've got Christopher Rayton winning over Ricky Fowler and Nikolai Hoygard at Quill Hollow. The Myrtle Beach, we've got Prince Netaker winning by one over Mark Hubbard. I'm excited to talk about that.

Get him on the team. At the Mizzouho LPGA, Gino Titicum, defending her title at Mountain Ridge in New Jersey. At Liv, D.C., we've got Lucas Herbert putting up a historic performance, winning by four over big tech, Sergio Garcia. Deves, being in Dege, we had a, we had a playoff. Oh, sure. I wasn't going to spoil that. I wasn't going to spoil that. I'm sure there's a lot of people hanging on that result.

That's a cheese. We're trying to get people to stick around. Exactly. We've got to keep these people around, DC. Speaking of historic performances, Jesus Christ, on the DP World Tour, Europe Premlaw wins the Catalonia Championship in Spain by 14 shots. Good to talk about that.

63, 63 of the weekend. After he's like missed a bunch of cuts in a row. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable stuff. DC put it in the U.S. women's four ball at Daniel Island. we've got Morgan Ellison and Katie Sheck winning. Wasn't there a note on that one, T.C.? It was like the oldest winners in tournament history.

And they were like two oldest winners in tournament history. 24 one for the old. Yeah, I love it. The Epson tour, what a Cholcheva Wangras. Is that a good pronunciation? You guys down with that? She wins the Reliance Matrix Championship. And on the hotel planner tour, Chris Wood,

front of the program, Chris Wood wins the Italian Challenge Open. You love to see it, bounce back win for Chris Wood. You guys put that the Miami Red Hawks won some sort of Mac championship. I literally don't even know what sport this is for. But congratulations. Men's golf, DJ. Is that right? It's part of the bus right here.

This is going to be the meat of the show. I love it. I thought it was going to be like club hockey or something. Men's golf. That's legitimate, a legitimate title. Congratulations. Coach J.D.

Fletcher and the boys got it done. First time in, what, 11 years, Randy? Yeah, 2015, I believe. Coach Fletcher,

Mac coach of the year. Let's go, baby love to see it uh i mentioned at the top you know unseated kent kent state can't read can't right i think they're going to the u t austin regional should we go ahead and break that down right we're gonna break that down after the break big because we are brought to you by our friends at titalist of course christopher ray 10 your winner this week at quail hollow trusting his title is pro v1 to his first career pGA tour when we hear tour players say it all the time it's the only piece of equipment that you use on every single

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Christopher Rayton that was a great a great dub and he absolutely went out and got it but yeah it was a little bit of a you know a little air came out of the balloon there after after Randy's got the best putter in the world couldn't couldn't quite get it done. We'll get there. Alex Fitzpatrick. The low side. What are we doing? What's going on?

Alex Fitzpatrick enters the final round leading by one over Christopher Raytan. And both players shot 64 in the third round, bogey free 64 for Rayton. Cameron Young started the day. Two shots back after a 63. I almost said some really dumb stuff on Slack about how many shots Cam Young was going to win by today. That would not have aged. I think I called him the number one player in the world.

until he wasn't yesterday until he wasn't uh nightmare starts kind of across the board alex fitzpatrick bogies the second doubles the third lots of miss shorties uh which would become a theme for the day cam young four putted the second hole in fact uh ray tan stays stays calm he stays steady leads by two after a birdie on the par three fourth hole there's another two shot swing at the fifth where rayton makes bogey and fitzpatrick makes birdie ricky fowler enters the chat, Bertie's 9 and 10 to tie the lead and then this log jam starts to form. We got

kind of a big group at the top. Ricky Bertie's the driver of par 4.14th. It was a four way tie for the lead at that point. Ricky took the outright lead on 15, a truly gross up and down for Bertie there on the par 5. 15th. And then from 200 yards out at the very difficult 16th, the 550

yard par 416th, which I think we'll talk about a little later. Ricky almost holes it from 200 yards, but not able to make the birdie from eight feet. Maybe should have seen what was coming there. Sungjay, we haven't mentioned him. He's in, you know, somehow up there. It looks like he hasn't really hit a good shot all week. And he's somehow just hanging out up there.

Steve Sands said that he was owed some sort of cosmic karma after the, quote, bad luck that he had earlier. He said he hadn't had a good shot of the tournament. What was that? Saturday. Saturday, he absolutely just boned a bunker shot into a grandstand that hit across the green and then hit the grandstand so hard that it bounced all the way back across the green into the same bunker. Never see anything like it. I do have one thing. I believe there are somebody in the stands that yelled back to Sanjay from that bunker.

Hey, man, you're supposed to be good if you're trying to hit shots like that. Just like TV, T.C. A pontavidra. That's true. I feel you. No, I mean, Sung Jay was. he was embarrassing today he uh it was not good it was not good he saw himself out of the proceedings uh driving it in the water on uh that same short par four 14th making double there fitzpatrick

refused to go away made birdies on 10 and 12 and 13 come back and tie ricky for the lead uh nikolai hoigard makes a scummy ass birdie on 15 yanks it way left has a six iron six iron into the part five from the rough two plus for bird is this about the time where we started having having no fun. When did when did we hit the inflection? Yeah, that hit that sounded my next bullet point here, Randy. Ricky misses the green on 18 from the fairway 200 yards out, fails to get up and down. Tough, tough chip shot there leaves himself what, maybe eight, nine, 10 feet. And as you mentioned, misses it on the low side.

He does shoot 65. It takes the clubhouse lead at that point at 13 under. And meanwhile, our eventual winner, Christopher Rayton, Bertie's 14, birdies 15 to take the outright lead at 15 under. It gets a crazy bounce on 16, drives it right on 16. The ball somehow lands right of the bunker, scoots all the way through the sand and like comes back out into the

fairway, hits his next shot in the green side bunker, gets it out there to about 12 feet and then just, yeah, that was the great worm cam of that potter. I mean, just kind of going right in the middle to save par. And then just hits the shots. 17 you know they're calling it the green mile tc uh and he he just hits the shots a great shot on 17

nuts went in the fairway on 18 middle of the green on straight down the middle straight down the middle on 18 hits the fairway and almost makes it for birdie you know comfy tap in for his first uh pj tour victory so a lot of preamble for me but tc what what were your thoughts watching christopher ratin uh hey we need to get him on the team I think Alex Fitzpatrick, like not quite ready for prime time, maybe in these tournaments. It was volatile. Yeah. But I respected it.

Yeah. I think the game's there. He's pretty fearless. Put himself in some really, really bad spots, those last few holes. Otherwise, man, I just wish there was a path for these guys like Raytan to get in these events. You know, I wish that there was a structure in place that would, that would allow. allow these guys to get in the signature events. Oh, wait, this was a signature event?

Yeah, he did win. It didn't feel like at the last 45 minutes or so. But Wikipedia and history will reflect, and his bank account will reflect that this was a signature event. I think he won 3.6 milly for this one. Can you explain how he got in? Yeah. So a bit of a, so going all the way back, just as my colleague there is being slightly facetious

about the path to the signature events. kind of works the way it's supposed to work, right? I mean, this guy that is a very promising player, he's kind of stuck in the wilderness for a while, goes out and balls out on the DP World Tour last year, finishes eighth on the race to Dubai and gets the PJ Tour card, plays good golf, he's kind of right on the edge of getting into these events, he finishes T2 at Zurich,

kind of some, you know, a little bit of redemption story here after losing to the Fitzpatrick's. He gets the better side of it today. But then he's right on the end. edge of getting into Dural. So even going back farther, T.C. than probably what you're thinking. He's riding the edge of getting into Dural

to the point where he's planning like fun golf. He's going to go play Panther National. He's going to just hang out. I call that fun golf. He's going to go hang out in South Florida. His caddy who is Scottish decides to fly back home to Edinburgh. Finally, last minute, I think

Jake Knapp, WD's, Patrick Cantley WDs. He gets into Dural so his caddy misses the first round of the Dural event, his swing coach is caddying for him. He flies back across the pond. He's there to caddy for him. He's right on the edge of getting into the truest as

Daryl is kind of playing out. He gets to the 18th T. He's still not in to Dural. Ends up making a double on 18. So seemingly, now he's like super not in. But that double leads to Alex Smalley, then getting into

the Aon next 10, which then leads to Rayton. taking his spot in the Aon Swing 5. So then he gets in and then he fucking wins the tournament. And he makes $3.6 million at Coil Hollows. I mean, it's just a, yeah, your results may vary. You know, if you're another struggling player trying to get into some of these events, but it certainly worked for him, you know, it's crazy.

Yeah, there was, I felt like there was a lot of guys that could win this down the stretch. I thought Hoygard had a pretty good look at it. Didn't really play proper golf down the stretch there. Are you into this what you're watching? I mean, him just airmailing grades and just wail it away on the dry. It's pretty unbecoming stuff. Somebody tweeted earlier that the Hoygard twins are like the golf equivalent of dip and dots ice cream.

Like they've been the future of golf and they will be the future of golf for the next 20 years. I feel like I don't at all know what that means and I also know exactly what that means. I mean, we're 30 years on to dipping dots, right? And it's literally the ice here in the future. Like, we're in the future and it's still not, you know, it hasn't taken off, right? Tommy did some, like, he kind of short-sighted himself on 11, got got his hand caught in the cookie jar with a front pin there. I thought he flagged it and ends up making bogey. Big, big, were you? Harry Hall? Oh, we got to pause. We'll get to him.

Fleti. Fleedy. What a top five for Fleti in a signature event. He's just gearing up for the players next week. Just like Cody said that I think Cam Smith or I think Cam Young lost five or six shots to the field today on the greens alone. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't good. We'll get there.

This is about Tommy. Okay, boys. I don't know who we're talking about. It's like five different players. Yeah, my observation was trying to flood the zone here. Didn't have the gear to chase down. Ray tan. Ricky, Nikolai Hoygard, and Alex Fitzpatrick.

Yeah, it's not, it's not good, especially at a major championship venue like this. It's, uh, yeah, the Tommy thing was, I don't know, at the Blackstone hat. I feel like he's just taken four or five percent out of everybody's pockets while adding no value. Uh, that's good. Yeah, this week. He's collecting a toll. Just fees out the ass out there. He's topping up his short points.

Randy, you want to talk about Ricky? Because I thought, you know, I enjoyed seeing Ricky up there. You're a pessimistic, just horrible person. No, hey, don't put words in my mouth. This was a throwback. I love seeing Ricky up there. Yeah, missing the putt on 16.

You mentioned the miss on 18. I do have to give him credit. He's obviously playing some good golf, but just in terms of coming down the stretch, will Ricky win or not? It was fun. I felt a little.

joy seeing him come up short. There was some. He's usually so clutch. I don't know what happened. He made 22 birdies this week. Clive. He had for first in birdies, made eight birdies today. He famously shot 74 in the first round as well, fighting off a

TC coming after you're a man after your own heart battling a sinus infection. You know, he's got a fever of a hundred and three. He said he didn't know if he could hit the hole from three feet. And he shoots 74. The first round almost wins the damn golf tournament. I mean, it was

good stuff. This is a little bit of a, you know, I don't expect every fan to, to zoom out to this degree, but if you, if you want to be a Ricky appreciator, I think if you go back to the end of the last year, and there's many, many, many, many, many, many things.

We can change about the postseason in the PGA tour, but if you want to look back at it, he entered the playoffs number 64 in the FedEx Cup. Of course, top 50, get into all the signature events this year. Went T6, T7 in the first two playoff events.

So he missed it. He didn't do enough to get into the top 30. Missed the tour championship, which many missed the masters this year for the second year in a row. Like still not quite there, but got into these signature events and now went T9 at Bay Hill, T8 at Heritage, T9 at Cadillac, and

runner up this week. In good golf. Yeah, which is like, that's, you know, that's real stuff. Randy, you could look at that as a, a handout, a free pass for the year into a bunch of no-cut big dollar events, which would be a fair take. Or you could look at that

as, you know, playing good on big venues, big fields, big, everything. It's a true eye of the beholder. Yeah, it's listen, take what you want from it. I think golf is better when Rick's in contention. I do believe that.

Couldn't agree more. He only, he was 32nd off the T this week, which pretty tough to win at Quail Hollow with being that far down the board on driving. So the other parts of his game I mean, Randy, you can shit on his putting down the stretch all we want. It wasn't good.

He was T2, or he was third in putting for the week. I think that's it. But that's what it's always been with Rick. Like, I know what it says most of the time, but when it matters, that's what I'm curious about. Speaking of some of the stats, we kind of breezed past the guy who won the golf tournament pretty quick here. And Raten was fifth in driving and second in putting, which, you know, I'm not a scientist, but that that's going to do pretty well at Quail Hollow, especially when you throw in ninth in strokes game approach.

So I- It's 70% of his greens. It feels, Randy, like a little bit of, you know, when someone gets called up, like, late in the baseball season, they're not like a qualified starter or they don't have like enough stats to really kind of like qualify for some of the postseason awards. I feel a little bit like that with Raytan where I'm like, I'm not going to fall into the trap and be like, this guy's going to win 30 times.

He's like, you know, I don't know how to project anything, but I don't know how you couldn't like what you saw. You know, I mean, it was like, it was just really good golf.

Yeah. I enjoyed the nugget. They were talking about on CBS. He had no idea where he was on the leaderboard until he was on 18 green. That's insane to me. Yeah. That's,

that's interesting. I enjoyed this nugget from his bio. I didn't realize he was the very first Norwegian to play in a U.S. Open back in 2018. How about that? And then later that summer got beat by Vic in the U.S. Am. And then Vic and everybody went on. But anyway, yeah. Randy, one other thing.

One other tip for you. Family, billionaire family that owns grocery stores in Norway. I wonder what- grocery store kingpin. We are truly having a trap drop breaking out here. I wonder what kind of like what we would compare those grocery stores to here in the States. But yeah, Dej, I think Rayton, I don't know. Truly it's like a guy, I feel a little like you.

I don't have formed opinions on this guy at all. I'm doing it in real time. And so impressive win this week. You know, we're kind of in wait and see mode. I'm curious what this guy's got. as we as we keep going. Reminds me a little bit. I mean, the natural comp, I feel like,

especially looking at this year is like Jacob Bridgman winning at Riviera, you know, where it's like here's a guy who's got a lot of pedigree, a guy who a lot of people who know people say that is good, you know, like a, you hear a lot of whispers about a guy with like a, kind of amateur resume like that. And it's a weird one where they don't like quite have enough of the, it doesn't feel like a lot. linear progression up the

golf consciousness. You know what I mean? Where it's like checking boxes at all the right time. It kind of just bursts onto the stage and you don't really, you don't really know what to do. You know, it's kind of how I feel today. He had nine top tens worldwide last year. You know, leading some to say get him on the team last year.

Sure. Now I am curious, you know, if we need them though, unfortunately. If we zoom out and I don't think the PGA tour stats for this year have taken into account this week yet, but serious ball speed imposter looking stat chart here for you, TC, where he's so far out in strokes gained off the T, but he's 141st coming into this week and approaching the green and 109th in putting. So, you know, everything clicked this week. But, Dege, to your point, maybe feasting on some like AAA pitching in September.

September vibe to me. You know what he won last year, Randy? We'll see. You won Africa's major. Well, that changed. That's not, that's not a continental open championship. He also won the suit all open last year as well. Sure.

Okay. Well, listen. We'll see. Speaking of a guy that was, hold on, hold on. One prediction. I think we'll do that season opening podcast where like, Solly quizzes us on who won what. And I think we'll all.

blank on who won Quail Hollow. That's my prediction. Yeah. And I guess it's, you know, on one hand, I guess it's good to be aware of that in the moment. I hope that's not the kid. I don't know. It seems like a great guy. I feel like I need I need more Norwegians in my life. You know, I've never met a Norwegian I didn't like. I think the more of them we, the more of them we come across, I think the better. Did you say he looks like Mr. Beast a little bit? In his head, it is PJ or hedge hot. It looks like Mr. Beast a little bit. Yeah. But that's neither here nor there. You can look that up on your own time.

There's not much going on behind the eyes. I don't know. Am I wrong about that? I think I can see that. It's in the eyes. If he really leaned in for the thumbnail. I mean, he said he was, Amanda said that he was thinking about becoming a YouTube golfer. You know, maybe there's, maybe there's something, something to it.

I don't know. Let us know in the comments. What you think. Alex Fitzpatrick making his 13th start nearly went. win at Zurich, T9 at Cadillac win this week. I mean, like truly insane stretch of golf. Big, what are you feeling watching Alex Fitzpatrick play golf? Well, I think after the Zurich, I was like,

why is this guy getting into PGA tour events? And then Saul he was telling me how good of a DP world tour season he's having. I like the variability. You know, he can he can bogey from just about anywhere. He had some really good shots. I yeah I like watching him I another guy I'm like I'm kind of forming opinions in the moment the last the last few weeks I had a good time watching he and Matt win in Zurich and um credit to him I was not expecting this good a play both last week at dera and and here at quail hollow uh TC I think my big question for you is are we ever going to separate the Fitzpatrick brothers in the Fedora five uh or do they stay great question together. I think we do a fedora five, midweek fedora five this week.

Okay. Before. The numbers are still precincts coming in. He's trying to get some of those Barcelona ballots in to see if, uh, if, yeah, I mean, our guy, uh, our guy, Prem lull is going to get into the fedora five. I think Alex Fitzpatrick, uh, you know, he's doing some interesting stuff, right? Almost winning at Quill Hollow winning at Dr. Mungal's place over in India.

don't seem like very similar golf courses to me. For sure. Which is impressive. You know, it's T6 and Joburg, T9 and at, at DT's place. So he's just, he's doing it like literally all over the world. It's also, I get such a kick. I feel like a lot of people have said this, but it's such a kick out of just the seeming, I don't know either of them at all, but just the seeming difference between Alex and Matt.

Right. I mean, Alex, or Matt just feels unbelievably buttoned up by the book. crunching the numbers. Here's what like here's what it says that I need to do on this. He's marking everything down. Alex just feels like he's kind of flying by the seat of his pants like true little brother vibes. And I'm just getting such a kick out of out of why. Yeah. And I don't know if Matt was pumped full of truth serum. If he would say maybe some of that caught up with little brother today. I'd get a little fast and loose. I think I want little brother on the team more than Big Brother at this point

though. Really? Yeah. That's an interesting one. That's Sophie's choice. Yeah. We've seen a lot. I mean, Big Brother's gotten better on the Ryder Cup, but I just, I like what I'm saying. Or we have both of them. We put them together because they seem like they

kind of balance each other out, right? Or you have them play with the Hoygard's, you know? Cross-pollinator? Yeah, do you cross-polladeta? Exactly. What if I think T.C. is it a pennant square? Is that what it's called? Ponit Square? Is the Dream, is the Dream Rider Cup team T.C.'s six sets of brothers? I mean, who else would be?

I don't know. We need, we need some more. But I feel like, God, if we could ever get six sets of brothers, that's it. I just don't know if we have enough brothers. No, we don't have enough brothers yet. But we will try. I need some nominees. Hit T.C.'s email for you and your brother think you got a chance.

He's going to start publicly lobbying for you. I heard about these two brothers in Spain, man. We got to get them. Did we learn anything this week? Like, you know, Rory kind of bottled it on. We learned so much. It's hard to even pin it down. We're at a bad Saturday.

Yeah. Yeah. Roy shoot like 75 yesterday. 74 I think. 70 something. 75 yesterday. He had put the left miss in play. He had some interesting quotes about that.

I love this. T.C., you got to put this in your back pocket for the future. He said the wind on the range was left to right. It was too hard left to right all week. So he's just hitting so many balls on the range that he was subconsciously starting to inch the ball against the wind. It was like something that would happen to kneel. exactly and so he said once I once I figured that out and once I made you know it was the same adjustment he had to

make it Augusta famously got the left miss going at Augusta this year as well I mean he came back and shot 67 today so I don't think a ton ton ton to be to be gleaned you know I think

Aronimic by all accounts is going to set up really good for the guy who's maybe the best player in the world so I don't know I don't take too, too much away in the scared column for Rory this week. But anything else in your key learnings and insights, T.C.? Not really. I think we learned that Quail Hollow, like, confirmed good tour venue.

Yeah. It's not a major venue. It's a good tour venue. And the more that the FOS messes with this place, the worse it gets, the more devoid of strategy it gets. Give me some examples. I think like everything they've done on that last stretch 14 15 16 just doesn't like there's just so many nips and tucks in there that I think like the bunker placement in certain spots we were talking about the bunker on 14 earlier 14's so close I feel like I feel like I have I have a really good time I have a really good time watching 14 and I also understand why you guys are not not digging it as much as as me you know Fitzpatrick and Rayton were just kind of like, you can kind of blow it right. And I was hoping that they would be punished by that back right pin and, you know, have basically like a straight downhill chip.

That doesn't really seem to be the case. If you can get into that bunker, I mean, Rayton like knocked one up there super cozy from that green side bunker, which probably was a good shot, but also not a big enough penalty. I'm kind of like, yeah, if you take that bunker out and you just make it some of these gnarly, you know, tight Bermuda swale type of things. It could be chipping back towards the water. I think that could be. be kind of interesting. But it is fun. It's fun when guys take, I think as

Sully says, like, you can't give them the answers to the test, which is just hitting in the bunker. But like when guys do take it on and they, they play it quote unquote properly and they hit in the water like Sung Jay or Ricky's almost in the water. It gets very exciting when you have that. But when they just blow right, it's, it's much less. Yeah, like the guys actually taking it on get penalized.

Right. Whereas the guys just hitting high spinners get like there's a few holes like that that are just backwards to me. Yeah. I don't know. I think 15, 16 are similar in that regard to. I do like on the whole, you know, we had our schedule podcast that went up this week where we were kind of talking about the importance of some of the, you know, just like fan equity

or institutional knowledge about some of these golf courses. Even if you don't love the golf courses, it's just, it's nice to have the familiarity and the relatability. And I'd feel that way with Quill Hollow. When you get to 13T, you know, you know. of the par three you're kind of like all right man like it's it's kind of all gas on the way in like i know what the test is like can you get one on 14 can you get one on 15 can you stay alive on 16 17 you can kind of go either way on 18 it's like i mean that's that's that's great for what the

pj tour is to your point it's just like it's a lot more fun when it's a pj tour event than when it's a major for some reason i thought there were some good pins today too like the pin on 14 or on 13 was good. The pin on 10 was really interesting. Making guys hit the shots. But yeah, I think the FOS just continues to like rob Johnny Harris blind with a ski mask on up there,

which kind of seems to be going around in FOS world these days. What else do I learn? Later in the program. No, I learned that I'm excited for Philadelphia this week. A little bit more so than I thought I was before. We'll be up there.

Tuesday night. We've got got our event at Liberty Point down on the river. And that's from 6 to 9 p.m. I would say get there early. Maybe ride share or cabot or whatever. I think parking might be an issue down in that part of town. Randy, I'm going to write your wrongs. I'm going to rewrite.

I'm going to take back your story for you from a Philly Cheesesteak perspective. What's your plan? What's the current plan? for the cheese steaks. I don't know. It's a good question. I think this guy's reached out. He says he's just going to bring five different cheese steaks from different places,

like to me. Oh, I like it. But is that a blind tasting? Can you transport them though? Are you going to lose the integrity if you're moving all over this city? He's going to have several people. Oh, interesting. It's going to really come together.

Exactly. So anyway, more to come on that front. Come through. Liberty Point. Yeah. But I think a. a lot of guys are, I don't know, it's just, I think it's going to be a really interesting major because I think it's truly anybody's game. I have no idea what to expect from Scotty.

If it's Patrick bros are both playing well. I don't even think, is Alex even in the PGA? I doubt. Yeah. I think so. Because of Zurich, yeah. Okay. And then otherwise, just, you know, we've got the whole backdrop of the PGA of America, just being a complete, another dumpster fire and circus more to come on that later. Um, you know, kids. Yeah. Can I ask you, how do you guys like the signature event the week before a major? I see it both ways.

Yeah, I do too. The momentum, like you want to get the momentum going. Randy, we did this whole schedule exercise this week on the podcast. And it's like there's no good answer. It's really hard. I think what I, where I left it upon reflection big, I think what's hard is when you got to keep putting the batheaval signal out of just like this is a signature event this is a big event among the 45 events this one really really matters i think what they're moving towards is if they go to bigger fields and they go

to 120 players with cuts and it starts to look more a little bit more like the the pj tour events of our of our past i think like it almost becomes squeezing the bat a little less tight you know what i mean where it's like you go to 16 of those types of events instead of eight of the like super special double secret you know yeah this one really matters events and i think you just notice it a little less and then it just becomes similar to this is the tour yeah memorial being before the u.s open or you know what i mean like a yeah kind of how it used to feel is is i think once those events become normalized it should stick out less uh to where it does it almost like It doesn't have that extra pressure on it to like really, really super extra deliver because that's so hard to get in golf.

Well, because I think judging this week on those terms, it was like, yeah, like, what are we doing? You know, kind of the world's bad. Cam made a run on Saturday. But it's like, it seems like just a bunch of guys trying to tune up and not peak until next week, which takes away from. Shout to Tommy, right? That's right. Well, you got Tommy, you got Ludwig in the. the top 10. I mean, what a time, what a day for guys that just hammer. Patrick Cantley.

Just always, always bridesmaids. Yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting one. We, uh, you know, we talked a little quail hollow. Cody, can you put this, this graphic up? Because this was one of the things I, I learned this week, TC was how much pine straw, uh, is out there. This was going around Reddit, I think reposted by a couple different. I haven't actually asked Max about this, but someone apparently, allegedly, said that they were sitting on 18, and they made a little nest out of the pine straw so that they could keep their transfusion.

So it didn't like tip over on the uneven ground. It's a pro move. That's a super pro move. The problem is Max Homer's drive apparently landed in that same spot, and he had a terrible, terrible lie for his second shot, which I think leads into a perfect chance to talk about the high noon transfusions. guys. High noon has become a staple

around here. This is actually, this is the first one. I've been saving it for a special occasion. Wow. First one I had tonight. It's, they're so good.

They're so good. I don't know what I was expecting, but it's got a lot of ginger. It's exceeding my expectations. It does have a really good way. It's great. High noon has finally brought the number one golf drink into their vodka,

Seltzer line up the transfusion. You can get it now, but not for long. They've only dropped a limited amount of these big. You better start a hoop. burn them up there in Denver. Maybe create a little resale market out there. Irresistible grape taste crafted with real vodka,

real juice, sparkling. Well, that was a joke. They're not encouraging. Yeah, yeah. For legal reasons, that was a joke. That was a joke. What was I saying? Irresistible grape taste, crafted with real vodka, real juice, sparkling water,

and a hint of ginger and lime. I'd say more than a hint. I'd say the right amount. It's a good amount of ginger. It's here for a short time. So grab it before it disappears or before. for Randy sets up a secondary market. If you're headed to the PJ Championship,

come through the high noon clubhouse, taste a couple with us on Thursday. Afternoon, high noon suns up, guys. We're here for a good time, not a long time. Not a long time. Exactly right. My uncle Jimmy used to say that. A couple other notes just closing the book

on the truest. Big tone was testing just a very, very unconventional long putter grip. I don't know if this. Does he know how to work a long putter? I don't know. This was, this was very weird. He ended up finishing T-31. And he was for those keeping track at home, 55th in putting putting this week. So I don't actually know if he employed Cody, you got this. I don't know if he employed this grip or not. But it was, it was interesting for sure.

quote space inner dialogue is the reply on here says this man is in the depths of hell holy shit like this is what it looks like when my son grabs one of my golf clubs in the garage and is is trying to hit the ball it's like hand on on just like a split it's basically like a hockey kind of a hockey play but it's just very strange so he's a big guy

can he not get a broomstick long enough yeah I don't know and again this was this was tweeted so you know who knows if he employed to this or if he's just dicking around of the putting read but it was a we wish him all the best on whatever he's going to think he employed it i think he went conventional i think at least the first round uh well in this case maybe he should have employed it uh randy scotty schaffler committed to the 3m uh it just kind of a kind of a kind of a type of movie yes skip quill holly's playing the 3m which made me think the first thing i

uh came to my mind was like is is the tour even Listen, since COVID, I feel like a lot of people have said a lot of stuff, right? There's been a lot of rules and bylaws and now we're doing this and maybe we're doing that. And I know the tour had for like a minute, that whole like everybody's got to play every event over the course of five years. I have no idea if that's even still going on. But I don't really see a reason other than that. I don't really know why Scott he's playing the 3M. God, that's the week after the open.

I don't get it. Maybe he's going to skip the Scottish. Maybe he's going to skip the open. He won it last year. That would be provocative. He's leaving the country. Yeah. Maybe he just wants to grow the game, guys.

Have you ever thought about that? It's a good point. There's a lot of that going around. We talked about Rory a second ago, but T.C. Did you listen to his pre-tournament presser? Yeah, he had a good joke in there about, you know, moving up to Philadelphia and living at the golf course for a week. That was good.

It was a good blast at the people who were unhappy about how much you played Augustine National. No, it sounds like he's in a good place and as motivated as ever to just win majors. Like, I don't think, you know, I don't think he's setting out to win eight PGA tour events this year. I think everything is around the majors. So, yeah, and it feels like, I don't know, I read it. Just go back and watch it, go back and read the transcript, whatever. But the, yeah, it was a lot of like almost. It feels weird for somebody who's won this many majors to feel this way.

But almost like seeing the ball go through the hoop on like, oh, man, what if I just go out and win 10? What if I go out and win 11? Like, what if I just go keep doing it? It doesn't feel like the same. This is almost like the, he's freed up, Rory, that I feel like we've been kind of waiting to see, you know? And I can't wait to see what happens next. TC threw this Mark Lie tweet in there. I don't know if you wanted it.

If you wanted to roll through this. I did. I'll just quote, I'll quote this. Brooks playing at Myrtle Beach, B.C.H. shortened. Instead of Quail Hollow is an insult of the highest magnitude. Dot, dot, dot, dot. PGA Tor is a ruthless POS organization.

Dot, dot, dot. Nuff said. Just bottom lining it. It's 100%. Why, letting it fly. Letting it fly. I think Brooks Fish T-11 at Myrtle Beach. I love, by the way,

first of all, Brooks's attitude. I feel like Brooks has won the comeback tour. I feel like he's been eating the humble pie. He's been happy to tee it up wherever he can. He's waiting when he's an alternate. You know, he's sitting by the clubhouse waiting to get in. I feel like he's just been,

I don't know, he's kind of been like what you want him to be coming back and just showing up where he needs to show up in order to climb back into these signature events. And I liked him playing the Zurich for that reason. I liked him playing at Myrtle Beach for that reason. He knows that like, man, you go get a

win and it's kind of, you know, you get the golden ticket back to the circuit. And I think he's doing that, which I appreciate. I want to see that same thing from the other live guys that do want to come back. Make him go play corn fairy tour. I want to see guys hanging out in Wichita with a smile of face. Wifts of P. going and beating up the D.P. World Tour. The game, honestly. 100% big. I mean, Brooks. Brooks was talking very earnestly about, like, this is the most fun he's had playing golf in a very long time. And yeah, like, that's, that's cool. I mean, like a Brooks that's motivated and happy and in a good place, both mentally and with his game, like we always talk about.

Like, that's really good for the majors and the bigger events on tour. 100%. Rory had some, I mean, I don't want to paraphrasing, and I hope I don't get it wrong, but he essentially was, was saying about some of the guys, and we'll get to the live stuff later because more happened this week, but about some of the guys who were just like, I'm not going, why would a hell would I want to go back there? Rory, I think essentially said, like, I think that says it all about, about those guys. Like, it's become pretty clear that, like, the people who want to play real golf want to come back to the PJ tour and anybody who does it. Essentially, like,

you can draw your own conclusions from, from them and their career aspirations, which I thought was a pretty, a pretty tactical strike. Lahiri, right? I don't think we're going to specifically mention Lahiri, but Honor Bond. Blandy said that he wants to be a clique for life. Like, you can't imagine playing. I mean, I think Blandy was earnest in that.

Like, Blandy's made almost $20 million since he turned 50. There are some people that I think get a lifetime pass. Like, you could say whatever you want about live because you got so much money when you should not have gotten it. And I think that extends to some of the time. the players. I think that extends to some of the media folks. I think there's some people that I'm like, man, I get it. I get, I get, I get why you're in the bag. finally said it out loud this week. He did.

He did. He did. G. Back said, you know, I think I regretted some of the, some of the things I said about growing the game. I think I should have just said it was, it was about Dustin Johnson. Yeah. Like, DJ never said it was about anything except for like the money. Yeah. Carol Varner. Was Peters the guy who said he was ready to retire when the new Yeah, which is so, like, did you watch that? I think that was a Dan Rappaport, uh, podcast appearance.

Did you watch that? I mean, it looked like he was, he looked like he was just like in the middle of a park somewhere calling it. I was like this looks like Randy. This is good. He's probably ready to go play frisbee or hacky sack or read a, read a novel or something. It was a good vibe that he was put top, which again, I'm not saying everybody needs to be cut through. I know. You know, maybe it's not for everybody.

That's fine. Yeah. I know. It's honestly hard to sit here and judge them too harshly. Like, if you got all the money, what do you go enjoy it? I do want to read this T.C. just in case we forget to come back to it, but this was Blandy. This is one of Blandy's quotes kind of in part. And this is in, in reference to the idea that Liv might go away. What are you going to do? What's going to happen now that the PIF is pulling out their funding. He said, quote, I would love to stay on board with the cliques in some form.

I'll come to some events as a spectator and just do the things that I want to do, live my life with my wife, go play where I want to play. As much as I'm out here grinding, and I still love that. I want to do well, but I know it's not too far in the distance. Now, that straight up sounded like you could have convinced me that was what a T. T.C.'s quotes. It's like, you know, I think whatever happens, I just, I do want to stay involved with the cliques in some some way, shape, or form.

I mean, this is the same guy that got blackballed from multiple senior majors over the last couple of their country. Yeah. Keep saying they don't want him. He keeps saying they don't want him. He wants to play. He wants to compete. He wants to grind and they won't even let him. Yeah. It's fucked up, TC. T.C.

Why do the captains have to be playing captains on live? Like, I was exactly. He's not even a captain. God, even more reason. Yeah. Let's get him in a management position for the cleaks. Yeah. I mean, we just, we took that tour of

Anfield, T.C. over in Liverpool. Those managers aren't out there playing. They're great men inspiring other great men. You know, why can't we? Bill Shankly. Bill Shankly. Yeah, he made the people happy. Yeah.

He made the people feel good. He made the people feel good. That's what it was. Yeah. And like Landi'll never walk alone. possibly once a clique always a clique all right

we got to talk Harry Hall I feel like I was so early on this Neil has come along and said you know what I think I'm actually a Harry Hall guy he put out this Instagram video watching after watching some Netflix movie that I haven't watched yet talking about how he was going to chase down

how he was going to chase down the leaders I'm sure a lot of people are going to know what this is if not go to Harry Hall's Instagram at Harry Hall. This is what I'm about, guys. This is what I'm about. I love the way he plays. He just fills the potato.

He fills it up. He wears the hat with the bad sponsorships. I'm just, I couldn't be more in. And I feel like my stock is soaring right now. And I'm just curious if any of you guys are joining me. There's a limited share offering this week. I'm on the squad. He kind of bottled it on the stretch today.

He cost himself a bunch of. That's fine. But yeah, I'm on Harry Hall and I'm in on Dan Brown. What are I watching? Some of these, some of these English blokes have, are like, just have taken Instagram by storm. Yes. I'm sorry. I was cut you over.

Dan Brown has been amazing on Instagram as well. It's just there's a lot of, there's a beautiful thing happening with English golf on Instagram right now, Randy. Randy, will you partake? No, I'll say this in all. Honestly, I'm glad they're having success on Instagram because I just continue to beat the drum the English. What do they do?

What do they do in the world of golf? Oh, the Fitzpatrick's you're fucking people up pretty good. I guess, yeah, Fitzpatrick. Team Rose. Team Rose. I was like, when's the last time the English have done some of it?

I think what are you guys said? Justin Rose won the U.S. in 2013. And J.H. J.H. Taylor. What a bunch of opens too. Yeah. And I guess Patrick did win one.

But just, I don't know, unsurious sporting nation. Justin Rose, 42nd and strokes came to approach this week. Not good. We don't like that. Nice clubs, bud. We need to get, you know,

we need to do better in, you know, qualifying. Yeah. He was playing the softs this week. Phil W.D. From the PGA, still kind of citing his ongoing

family issues, which means Max Homa gets into the PGA. So, you know, one man's trash, another man's treasure. I'll tell you, when that crossed my desk, a true, true life Alonzo morning gift. Like, I know it's an overused gift, but that's, that was my reaction. Yeah. And finally, I think maybe last note from, from kind of the world of the, of the PGA tour, at least the truest. This was a good one. I think this was from the, the signature scroll. Didn't age all that well.

But it was. Oh, all contrary. to you see uh parting shots i believe this was this was either written by paul or uh or sean martin for those with front row seats to the jordan speed experience this week could be an especially fun one matt gannon tweeted that speed is experimenting with a longer driver this week titleless reps on the ground confirmed the move new driver's 46 inches and an inch longer than his gamer has nine degrees a loft one degree lower than his usual club the longer club goes about 10 to 15 yards longer than his usual titleless driver.

Speeth was hitting balls in sneakers on Wednesday, choosing the trainers because of their larger toebox, which alleviated some pain in his foot. Sounds like things are going great. Jordan Speeith this week, strokes gained off the T. Second, only to Rory McElroy. Yeah.

In that category. Is he back? No, he's not back because he did everything else exceedingly bad. But the driver's back. 71, 68, 75. The haters, the haters, the haters and losers were saying that the uh the driver was going to you know that's what's going to keep them from ever even competing for the grand slam at a pGA looks like we've we've rocked them guys

he tied with brian campbell chanler blanchei that's only on the leaderboard only on the leaderboard not on the stroke's gate driving it's four rounds but if that driver stuff is real he gets a lot more interesting what if he becomes the best driver of the world that would be crazy yeah but at what cost I don't know. It doesn't seem zero sum. You know, plus I don't know what's up. We got to talk about this toe box. What's going out with the shoes? He might have chose to like save it.

You know, he's like, holy shit. Like, I don't use it this week. What if he's driving it too far? Yeah, what if he's driving it too far? Just threw everything off. It's like, I got to throw people off the scent with my other play. Yeah. Elsewhere on the PJ tour, 45-year-old Brandt Snetiker is your winner at Myrtle Beach.

his 10th PJ Tour victory his first one since the 2018 Wyndham Championship. TC, do we get him on the team? Played captain. Playing captain. Yeah, we got to at least talk about it. Get him on the team, get P. on the team.

The tour, yeah, yeah, Keegan. Any brothers out there that would make sense? Maybe make Webb Simpson. Maybe they make Webb Simpson a playing assistant captain. Yeah, Webb Simpson was in the field at Truis this week. That was not great. The tour kind of did, did Snedeker dirty with their,

their photo editing on their champions, you know, photo there on the gram. Same with Ritaine. I don't know if they're just trying to overexpose these things. Yeah, they got the saturation, the contrast are really, they're dangerous, dangerous living. When club pro guy tweeted up. Truly one of the best tweets in the history of Twitter.

uh what was it when it was yeah i mean that just like they're just dirty yeah there's just a lot of texture going on there yeah club pro guys said love how the fellas visit jim furicle and hospice care the tour is such a tight group hashtag family hashtag pGA that's it's a years ago that's a deep cut uh yeah i don't have a whole hell of a lot else other than a lot of these uh opposite field events i feel like are are kind of for you know i think about like mark Hubbard not won on the PJ tour. A lot of these guys that have to be like, have been grinding for so long or so tantalizingly close to winning. And then 45 year old, uh, semi-retired Snedd's Cubs. It just takes it from, from you is like, that's tough, man. That's tough.

Hubbard kind of bottled it. Yeah, I'd say two out of last three. That's a, uh, listen, the ball, the ball doesn't lie. I mean, the guy, the guy went out and won, but it's, uh, it's just kind of like, low key, a pretty good tournament. I watched like too much of, it i would say in the dunes golf and beach club i believe this was built like mega peak of robert trend jones senior's career kind of works sure i'm gonna have to take your word on it i haven't watched a lot of this one i'd like to see him play that tribute course in myrtle dage that yeah i agree that we visited i think that makes a more interesting championship can t-s can you imagine if they played uh yeah we might need to take this one to the trap draw but some of these opposites

of field events. If you do want to get me to watch, you might need to play them on some replica golf courses. Can you imagine? They're like, no, now they're going, what was it? What was it? The old course? It was like one nine. Yeah, one nine was British Isles. One nine was, was America.

It should go play on the Ross course up at, up at Boyne, Randy. I know. That would be a good one too. Golden Ocala. Is that being cornered down there? Yeah. Any couple of? Luke Clanton finished tied for 60th.

in this event? No concerns. No concerns. Appreciate you asking, though. He's very young. We had the ghost of Tom Kim finished T6. Congratulations to Sali.

On that one, Blades Brown, T9, TC, quietly. Yeah. You know, he just keeps... He just keeps doing it. Brooks T-11, as I mentioned. Lonto, sure. I think that's going to close out probably

probably Myrtle Beach Corner unless you've got anything else. Where did Ruffles finish, T-45? There you go. Shout out to Ryan Ruffles for getting a spot through, through the queue. Strebber got a start. Cash and a check. But got to start.

How about Billy Horsh will get an exemption into the PGA championship? Really? Yeah. I miss that. I love Billy. and normally I'm like any event he's in is a positive but come on man even Dustin Johnson getting an exemption I'm like yeah that's I mean they're yeah not even like

haven't won it Randy take us take us to Mountain Ridge for yeah what's going on and then we got we got all sorts of just crazy shit on the back end of this app what's going on the LPGA big uh actually a great venue this week at Mountain Ridge Country Club. Good setup in New Jersey. Good setup. Difficult golf course, especially Thursday, Friday. Some rain moved in starting Saturday.

What was that kind of mid-afternoon? And it was a little softer. But Gino Titican wins by four. Guys, I think this is like an important win for Gino. I think any win is important right now. She had not, by her standards, been having the best of seasons. But to win on a proper setup, she was 13 under par. Ronnie Yin was runner up at nine under par.

T.C., I think this is, you know, I don't think we fly the mission accomplished banner, but certainly good to see from Gino. But on the flip side, if she lays an egg at Riviera or at Hazeltine, we've got big problems, Randy. Like, I don't think, like, I think we're nearing the point or at the point where, like, nothing matters for her

unless she does stuff in majors. Is it? I hate to always relate it to the men's game. But as you're saying that, I'm trying to think of T.C., like, who's the comp for what you're seeing right now? Because I want to, like, I'm drawn to like a Xander Cantlay. Like probably Zander, right? Like early Zander before he.

Before he, like, broke through with all the majors. Yeah, yeah. But that's kind of the thing is like, she's got some good finishes in them. Like, she's got plenty of top fives. It's just a matter of getting another line. She's just too good not to have one. and to not win one soon.

Continues to be the issue. She doesn't play well in the U.S. Women's Open. Yeah. She missed two of four cuts in that, and she doesn't play well in the women's British. So it's like the best, most difficult test. She's not performing the best on. But she wins a ton when the winning scores like, you know,

20 under or lower. This was her ninth. Yeah, this was her ninth LPGA win. Still very young. second this season. Honestly, it's like a dream start, I think, for the LPGA. You have Nellie's won three times with the quote major. This is Gino's second win. Don't see that. Joe Kim has won twice. But you compare it to last year where we didn't have a anybody win a second time to like late in the season. It's just as we do go to RIV T.C. I think there's at least

the, there are storylines out there, which is good. Randy, where does that, where does nine wins and no major. Is there like precedent for that? So that's a great, I went looking today because that, that was the question, Dege, on my mind. And this is kind of incredible. Let me just start. There's no present day comparable to Gino.

But if you go back further, there's Jane Blaylock, no relation I don't think to Moogie or mister uh she won 27 times on the l pga in her career never won a major which is sick which is the most uh judy ranken won 26 times in her career without a major the closest i could find there's there's a woman rosy jones whose career ended early 2000s she won 13 times never won a major uh but gino since rosy jones's career has ended her gino's nine wins are the most on the LPGA without a major. I'll tell you who her career is right now on the PGA tour. Patrick Cantley, eight wins on the PGA tour.

Cody just sent through to IMEA Zato, nine LPGA wins with no majors. World number one, that's a good, really good. Gosh, she was a force. I think T.C. remember when we used to like make a calendar reminder to bet Sergio to win the masters i think it was or like i think i'm just going to start taking gino in every major until she gets one i'm just going to dollar cost averaging yeah like i think it's a losing and i get that she's this is her this is her fifth or 60 years not financial advice yeah this is not financial advice i just don't want to miss it um yeah riv is god riv is going to be such a big test i'm fascinated

to see how they set it up because you can't really run the ball in there like you kind of land it on the green it's not going to bounce on because of the cuckooia uh but then the greens are going to be crazy firm like it's it's it's a fascinating setup decisions for bod and hammer and company yeah um if i may i i pulled but beside gino was the story of the week uh honestly never really in doubt today and that's a good thing because there really wasn't much coverage of the golf today i'm going to get to that in just a second but i wanted to pull out three other names just highlight kind of non nelly non Gino. I think players that are having pretty good seasons and maybe just people to keep an eye on here as we get into the teeth a major season on the LPGA. Ronnie Yin, who I mentioned finished runner-up,

nine under par. She's played some really good golf here over the last several months. This is her second consecutive runner-up. She finished T2 at the Chevron and her third top 10 in her last four starts. I only note that she had three top tens all of 2025. This is a former major champion, really, really good player. Her putting, she struggles with the putter. And you saw some of that this week, too. But her ball striking is very, very good. So I wanted to shout out Ronning.

Gabby Lopez, TC, your girl. She's having a really nice 2026, and she finished 2025 really strong. She finished tied for third today at eight under par. I have here she finished 2025 she was top five at the onica she was top five at the CME and now you roll over to 2026 she has not missed a cut and has two top fives on this season so just a nice little run of play here from gabby over honestly like over last six seven months and then I the American name I think you know I've bemoaned like where are the good young American players she hasn't like in American American? women. Yes. Jenny Bay, I think it's just somebody to keep an eye on. She has not broken through yet. She's 24 years old. She shot 69, 66 this weekend to finish tied for third. She was a rookie last year, had a pretty good year, made the CME Tour Championship. She finished tied for 10th at the Tour championship and has made six of eight cuts this year. I think she's got a look to make the

Solheim Cup team in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. So I just want to start kind of putting Jenny Bay on the radar. She had a really nice week this week, too. I love it. Sorry, did you mention Allison Lee too, even just going from the booth to? No,

she had a great, yeah, this was only her third start. She was part of the group at tied for third, eight under par. Yeah, fabulous result for Allison. She was calling golf recently.

Who else was part of? He, Jin Choi was part of the group at T3. So guys, the only other thing I wanted to talk about was I thought the coverage was very off all week. And I know I always beat that drum with the LPGA, but Thursday. More off than usual. Yeah.

And I think it gets exact, it all gets magnified on weeks like this where they're at a, they are at a really good golf course and it's set up well and the conditions are tough. Like Thursday morning, I was. I was pumped to watch. We were late getting to the scheduled LPGA coverage because we had to, they stuck with like Aaron Rye's group in Myrtle Beach until they hold out. So it was like 20 minutes late getting to the LPGA window. I didn't understand that.

Friday afternoon you had Gino Titicum, World Number 2, teeing off in the afternoon coverage essentially ended. There's nowhere to stream even Gino's round on a really good golf course. and then today was one of their CBS network days and I believe the window was 1 to 3 p.m. Eastern time. When they came on at 1 p.m., Gino in the final group was playing the 13th hole. Beth Ann tweeted about it.

Like, I just, like, it's just a wait. Like, I don't know. Do they get credit for? Right. Do they get money back? Do they get future network time? Get a gift card. Yeah.

Give them another 45 minutes. It just is like Pro shop credit. Yeah, they didn't come close to using up the two hour window. Like you watch literally five and a half holes at a very good golf course, like an old Donald Ross. It just finally added some drones. Like Thursday seemed like the most bare bones of bare bones coverage that you could possibly get.

Like all the stuff that they promised us with the FM Global. It's not. Enhanced broadcast that we saw a little bit of on the West Coast. just totally evaporated. We've lost the momentum, TC. We've lost it. So I just thought that was a shame. Again, it's just another data point.

It's hard to be a fan of the LPGA more times than not. They put the onus on the viewer, and it's like it shouldn't be that way. So next week, week ahead real quick, they go to Cincinnati, and they're playing at McIntywa Country Club. I note that because it's the first time they'll have played at Makatihuah. My brother-in-law and sister are members there. I'm going to be in

Cincinnati. My niece is graduating from high school. What's that? Are you going to the tournament? I'm going to try to stop by maybe for a few hours, maybe Friday or Saturday. Goodball is saying it's, it's crispy out there. It's been firm and the greens are firing. Can you, I've heard you talk about Makatihuahewa 150 times and I don't know anything about it. What are we in for? It's a Donald Ross. It's a landlocked piece of property in kind of a dense area of the city. Like it's not downtown, but kind of just out from downtown.

They have undergone a good bit of renovation over the last several years. It's now the home of Xavier University. Shout out our good buddy, THG. Maybe the course that's, Jason Kock built. It's just a good, they've always had

U.S. Open locals at Macatty. Is the girl in the game still? How's he? How's he do? It's, I think it should be a good,

it should be a good venue for the LPGA. They have plenty of distance. It sounds like it's going to be in good condition. I'm looking forward to watching how they do there. Yeah.

And it's like, it's like, it's not like you have to fight traffic to get there. It's, you know, kind of near where people live. Yeah, yeah.

Dej, I think Cochrak is growing the game in Oklahoma. Oh, that's right. Rebranded. Smash rebranded. Tough time for that rebranded that the league kind of loses all its funding. I don't know how many t-shirts are. Smash and sign T-shirts they printed. Yeah.

Randy, thank you for that. Looking forward to watching McAtewa next week. You'll probably be watching the PGA, as everybody will be. but yeah well maybe highlight fun maybe highlights guys spring is kicked into full gear and Roeback has he covered on that front they keep coming out with new products they're coming out

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What's going on in the DP world? Amazing thing that's happening on the DP World Tour. We mentioned this at the top. You're Fremlaw, goes 63, 63, a young, 22. year old South African lad. 63 to win by 14 shots on the DP World Tour. This is at Real Golf, Real Club de Golf El Pratt in Barcelona, Spain.

Technically, the all-time DP World Tour record for margin of victory is Tiger's 15-shot win at Pebble Beach, the way their records work. This is the second at 14 shots. Like I mentioned, he's 22 years old. He's ranked number 598 in the, world true just any given weekend uh you know someone's going to beat the shit out of you in the game

of golf uh hasn't had a top 30 this season he's missed missed the cut in four of his eight starts that he's teeted up at and he goes out and he beats the field by 14 uh this beats the second place by who knows what he beat the field by i mean it's just a uh just an unbelievable i think he was i think he lost a bunch of strokes to the field his previous one like i think the gap between I mean, how many lost the field last week and how many gain on the field this week was 40 shots. It's just truly striking stuff. Listen, I didn't watch a ton of a ton of this event. I don't have a ton more other than kind of what was reported in the write-ups.

But massive, I don't think I can give a bigger shout out to your all prem lull. Just an unbelievable, unbelievable result. Yeah, he shot 63. He's got 64, 63, 63, the last three rounds. Which is just going to get it done. I think the Southern Guards seem to give him a call. For sure. The other rhino job.

I feel like, I mean, dead series, I feel like the PGA of America needs to get them a last minute. Totally. Invite next week. Like, if you win on the DP World Tour by 14 shots, you have to play the major next week. Yes. We'll see.

he lands he's definitely going to be in the Fedora 5. He may be a supernova, you know, just a quick, his hat's going to explode, but he's, he's in there for one week. Rory drops out for a week and Primwall drops it, takes his spot. It's kind of like that

aeon situation with you know, with Rayton. Exactly. Rainey, we kind of breeze pass, but did you want to share your, your death panel idea for Quill? You're just Because I'm kind of marrying that together with, it feels like there's need to maybe just be like a higher order of golf who can make some of these executive decisions.

Yeah. Well, I was looking through the slack and I saw at 508 p.m. I sent the note to the boys. I'm like, God, damn, this has turned into a real mule drive here at Quail Hollow. It might be time for an unexpected pop in by the death panel. You know, similar to like the food inspectors in the big cities, you just drop in, you know, you don't tell anybody you're coming. And you see what's going on. Like T.C., I think we could have thrown a lot of people out of professional golf this afternoon at Quail Hallow.

We could have. I think we also could have simulated the last four or five holes. That's got to cut both ways is what I'm saying. It's like that same body should be able to get Prem law into the PGA. Yeah. So exactly. And, you know, some guys are not going to be able to tee it up now next week. And it opens up spots for Bremwa.

And, you know, God knows who else. Foxy, Big Shot Bob. Yeah. Foxy almost finished dead last this week. I mean, truly. He's been stinky, DC. I don't know. We don't need to give that too much time.

But it's, you finish 67th. Jason Day finished 68th. Saw it, 69th. These are guys we like. For sure. Hedecky, 71. Hedekhi's the weirdest golfer on the planet. The DJTor's social account lit his ass up today.

Hideki? Yeah, like a little, like when it was, it was like a, when you forget to wish Mom a happy Mother's Day, it was like him writing something down. Like they did him dirty. And this is after they, they forgot to wish everybody a happy Mother's Day. I forgot to wish everybody a happy Mother's Day on the top of this show. Well, at the top of the show.

You should listen to Scott O'Neill. Let's, I don't know if that's part of your notebook, but I think we're at that, I think we're at that section. D.C. It's, it's time for your notebook. You take us wherever, wherever you deem. We're just going to go, we're just going to go for it. We got all sorts of developments with National Links Trust. It feels like kind of the best outcome of a shit sandwich, I would say. Judge ruled earlier in the week that they were, you know, to halt major construction. And then they reached an agreement that, you know, like this broke last.

night that basically National Links Trust gets to keep operating all three courses in the meantime but it leaves it very vague as far as East Potomac is concerned it sounds like National Park Service is taking over the restoration or renovation of yeah I don't think restoration I think renovation of the FOS and you know whatever he does with the William Flynn design yeah it's just a we it's a weird one that it feels like yeah the the National League's trust guys have to take it as kind of a victory that, you know, there's going to be still a lot of support and involvement there. But there's kind of a lot of onus.

Garrett from Friday had a good write-up on Twitter just about basically like there's a lot of people that need to hold to account a lot of these people who are saying that this is going to continue to uphold the mission, which is to keep things accessible and affordable. Because those two things could go away very, very quickly. I mean, even just going from 36 holes to 18 holes and ramping up. I don't know. Like, I guess the hope is that they just basically go to a four-corner's offense on this thing at East Potomac and stretch it out for the next two and a half, three years. So we'll see what happens.

So your guys, Steve Smith gets at office. Yeah, exactly. Randy, I just, I didn't know that this was, sometimes I just forget that. that the TGL, the name is tomorrow's golf league. And so the women's TGL is the women's tomorrow's golf league. The league in the future. I'm glad this has hit the agenda. Let me say very plainly and very vociferously.

I could give a shit about women's sim golf, just like I could give a shit about men's sim golf. I could not care less about either thing. I think this is the dumb. thing possible and I will not be partaking. I wonder, I have to guess, there's just no logical

human explanation for why you wouldn't roll the women into the already fledgling men's league other than, and I think like the TGL arena hosting like the professional wrestling event this week probably backs this up to

I think they just kind of need inventory for those those. I think they need room nights tc who's gonna broadcast the inventory yeah well that i don't know but it just seems like they need to get people in that stadium and maybe that's the impetus but i i don't i just it's tough it's tough like lexie's gonna be a part of it albane balance what do what do like what do we do like is this the best we can do sometimes i just wonder like these are the idea this is the best we can do uh well guys speaking of the best we can do this week was the 15 anniversary of the passing of the great man sevi yeah there were a lot of great tributes out there

team rose uh at justin rose 99 said an honor to honor sevi alongside roars today where the that where does the 90 i don't actually know where the 99 comes from that's his race card umber did he turn pro in other turn or something uh i think that carnewsty 99 i don't remember I don't know. I don't know. Whatever. Can I say something about Sevi? When we were at, first of all, we played Lhythm last week. Royal Lhythm, sorry, Rainey. And St. Anne's.

And St. Anne's. Shout out to St. Anne. I don't need John Hopkins coming after. First of all, just, I feel like so many of the Open Rota courses as a young boy in Illinois and, now Wisconsin watching on my TV in the morning. Like so many of those English golf courses have gotten flattened on TV into kind of like an amalgamation of the same,

the same course. And oh my God, Lhythm is like the greatest test. If you ought to find out who the best player in the world is, you have to make them go play that golf course. But the great man, Sevi went in there twice. The photo,

I think the photo of him with the green pants, just leaning on it, hair blowing in the wind. I'm like, That was already my favorite photo in the history of golf and seeing it in that clubhouse, I just, I got chills. Solly was seething. Solly is so pissed. TZ had his the open Sevi jumper on.

It was, it was good stuff. They honor Sevy all over the place. They honor Peter Thompson. You other guys, no mention at all of Gary Player. It's true. Which is a small photo outside the locker, I believe. My, I don't think Sevy's hidden that iconic shot on level ground, but my golf swing on level ground, my lower body kind of looks like that. Exactly. It's a little disorienting. You should go no hat, Randy. Yeah. Your hair. Yeah. Get some green pants tailored up for you.

Dyer hair jet black. You look like, yeah, I might. Yeah, I might do that. Yeah, that'd be good. Guys, I just threw this in here because I think it's maybe a sign of things to come on the golf front. There was a big, big story on ESPN, one of other places this week, that the top tennis players are thinking about organizing a boycott of the Grand Slams if they don't get their fairer share of the revenue, like French Open. I think they're getting right around 10% of the 15. Okay.

15, yeah. Yeah, and I just think this is going to be a increasingly, hot topic in golf over the next year, two years, three years. And whether that's through the PGA tour or, you know, players themselves just boycotting. I would imagine that there's some friction there moving forward. Sorry, just to summarize, basically the point is these grand slams,

the majors in golf are just making so much money and so little of it is finding its way into the purse. And instead, yeah, I believe that like the franchise. open number, it's the players prize fund is 15% of total tournament revenue. Yeah.

Is what's making it to the player. And it's not just the, you know, majors of the Ryder Cup as well. Yeah. It's probably deserves some more thought, but I, you know, my initial thought is like, it's going to be

chef's kiff's perfect. Once live goes away, like let's get ready for another labor dispute between, between golfers. and that's not even a judgment on like whether it's valid or not. Like I absolutely think there is some merit. I just haven't thought about it too long. But people don't care about golfers needing to make more money.

Randy, in somewhat related news, the Aussie Open, agreed to take the event to North Adelaide to a course that doesn't necessarily even exist yet. Greg Norman is redoing this municipal course in North Adelaide. The first men's Australian Open would be staged in 2028 there, and I believe they're going to have, you know, basically have it there every other year and then alternate with the Australian Women's Open as well there, which just, we're just getting some good momentum going on sandbelt courses and guys are coming down. I know there's appearance fees involved and all that, and it's a paltry purse.

But man, it just feels like, you know, one step forward, five steps back for Aussie golf at every single turn. And James Sutherland and some of the others running the show down there seem like they're just dim wins. This feels like a little bit of a PGA Frisco situation. Yes. Would that be analogous?

Yeah, or even PGA National back in the day. Yeah. They had a PGA championship. back in the 70s. So, and like, it just, it seems like that government, you know, that state government in South Australia basically said, oh, we have this money that's probably not going to, that we're probably not going to be using for live here. And we will.

And like, I think, I think the people in Adelaide will turn out, right? It'll be a good, good vibe and everything. I just don't know if the golf course is going to be any good. And I don't think that the Auschion opened. should just be played on the Melbourne sandbelt. That's not what I'm saying at all. I just, it seems a little premature, and it seems like just buying an Australian open for wherever.

Seems like the Aussies hate Golf Australia. Yes. Yeah. Truly. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess this guy, you know, has done damage to other sports before moving to Golf Australia as well.

So. Perfect. Um, Dege, there was a, there was a, you know, shoe pack, the mule whisperer. Got some, got some non-mules on the record. Yeah, these were mules. These were big names. Yeah. Just, you know, I think J.T sounded off a little bit, said, hey, why are the, this is about the golf ball rollback.

Yeah. Why are, why are amateurs making the rules? I would say, you know, J.T, what, what do you propose? Do you want to, do you want to govern yourself? Let me back up for a second here. I think what this is about is essentially the premise of whether or not the PJ tour is going to go along with the proposed rollback by the USGA and the RNA. A lot of the players quoted in this piece, I remember JT, I remember Brian Harmon. I remember Mav McNeely.

Armini. Armin was super thoughtful. I think JT's quotes were very, very tough. There were some interesting stuff from some of the other guys. but basically the premise as I understand their position is this rollback there are some players who are saying like why do we need to why do we even need to roll this thing back? No one's even convinced me that we need to roll this thing back to which I would say the 16th hole today was a 550 yard par four and nobody even like batted an eye.

It was like yeah it was like man I just I think it's you know I think it's it's not snowing my house is not quite going to cut the mustard on this one. But the premise or the take that a lot of the tour players seem to have is like if you are going to roll it back, this rollback is not going to cut it. This is not penalizing players properly.

This is not doing this, that, and the other thing. Which I think if I'm bending over backwards to meet them halfway, I'm like, I think I see where you guys are coming from. We just don't have any proof of that yet. And what is getting really like, making me want to pull my hair out about the rollback conversation at this point is,

I feel like there's the USGA is saying, here's the proposal, here's what's going to happen, here's what we want to happen, here's the intent. You have Fred Ridley saying, like, we need to bring back shot making and this is failure's not an option and we need to take commercial interests out of the game and we need to do all of these different things that are like a lot of hell yeah, brother, like I'm with you on that stuff. And then you have the players saying like, no, no, you guys don't get it. I hit the balls and this isn't going to do what you.

you think it's going to do, which is when I'm like, man, if that's true, can we, can we, like, can we get that out in the forefront here? Like, if, if that's true, like, you would have to be stupid to just, like, bash your head against the wall and push through a bad rule. We just don't have the proof of that yet to where I'm like, I feel like I keep finding myself just, like, so stuck on this conversation between like, well, I'm not a rocket scientist and I don't have a ball testing kit in my backyard here. So, like, I got to kind of try. trust the USGA and the people who are in charge of governing the rules that they are doing the right job, which is where you see quotes like JTs and all the like, why are we even letting

these amateurs run things? Like, because they're the fucking governing body of the sport. Like, that's, it's kind of the agreement that everybody is supposed to be operating under. However, if it is a bad rule, I'm like, yeah, we kind of need to know that too. So like, if somebody could provide something definitive, I think that would just help this conversation. a lot more because if if what they're saying is like you take it to the next conclusion is like hey this is going to not punish the guys who are super high launch and low spin they're just going to hit it even farther or high launch and high spin I should say I even get confused like talking about this basically it's going to punish those guys

it's going to you know it's going to not punish those guys and it's going to punish the guys who are low launch low spin yeah like if if if we're going towards like punishing guys at massively different levels, but also those guys have access to trucks and shafts and launch monitors and can kind of game the system and get those losses back quickly. That's where I'm like, oh, shit, well, we don't want to get to a point

where we're punishing the people without launch monitors more than the people with launch monitors. Like, that is a stupid idea. We just don't have proof of that stuff yet to where I start to kind of like spin my wheels on this whole time. Let's have the legitimate conversation. I think Madh McNeely had some really thoughtful stuff in there. I think Brian Horamond had some really thoughtful stuff in there.

I just think when like, like, okay, JT, like who would you like to make the rules? Right. Like your dad's buddies at the PGA of America, they seem to be really on top of things. Like they're they're quote unquote professional golfers. You want Don Ray doing the fucking rollback? I don't think Don Ray's doing much of anything. He's based on reporting there. Like karaoke.

Anyway, go go read the shoe fact piece. because it's good. Yeah. I'm just, I'm ready for some, ready for some public numbers, I think is, it's kind of where I'm at.

Harmon talked about in there, you know, maybe the driver would be the thing to target instead of the golf ball, even going so far as to say, like, maybe we should be playing

Persim and Woods, to which I'm like, hell yeah, brother, I would love to see that. Which is where I keep, like, yeah,

I feel like there's, we're in this weird spot where half, I feel like half the class, is on chapter one and half the class is on chapter two. And if you're still debating like, no, no, no, it actually should be persimmon drivers. It's like, dog, we're so far past that. Like, what the fuck are you talking?

That was the conversation 15 years ago. And it's like, no, the USGA has already rolled out a rule that is going to be rolled out in 20. Like, the whole conversation now is just like, what is the point of this rule that's already been decided? Like the whole like, no, maybe it should be the tease. is like we're not even talking about that anymore everybody's moved on from that which is where it kind of gets to like even the fred riddley stuff we're just like no we need to make it spin more it's like dude that's how we're talking about at all that's not what this rule is so talk about all of it like yeah i agree and so if that but i'm like well how do you get from i don't know how you connect

the dots on those two things well then if you do the rollback wrong it's right poison a well and everything and then there's no trust yeah so it's just it's hard to be like man i so agree with so many things that people are saying, but also I see where people are coming from on, well, maybe that's not the way to get there. You know, and it just leaves you with this kind of clunky middle ground. I'm all for the conversation, the debate. I just, I just think it's funny when J.T. joins the conversation. Yeah. Dege, this was, this was a real doozy. The tax on private golf courses out in L.A. Yeah, this was a good one. Rainier. I feel like these guys are after your heart here.

Essentially, I mean, this is the Malcolm Gladwell podcast from a couple years ago. You know, I did get inspired by it. You know, what is it? Highest use case of land or whatever that rule is. Essentially, there was, what stuck out to me, T.C. was there was the, there was, it would apply to. So this is a L.A. city councilman, I think. Yes, L.A. city councilman, Adrian Nazarian, who's proposing a parcel. tax of $4 per square foot.

This would have to go, you know, through city council, then voter approval, but basically going after like the six country clubs. They combined $811,000 a year in property taxes and cover about a thousand acres that are valued over $15 billion. Yeah, which LA country club, Bel Air, Wilshire, Riviera. Yeah, man. I don't know. It's I love golf.

Seems pretty poultry there. Yeah. I love golf. I'm not saying we need to, we need to swing the hammer all the way, but like, that seems a little. Maybe a little bit.

No, I know Randy's a big Spencer Pratt guy. I know he's running for mayor against carabas. Oh, absolutely. I need to know where he stands on this. From the hills or something? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's kind of like Ray tan, does me? a little bit yeah this is a fraught one tc i don't know we'll keep tabs on it uh guys first lady captain in the 300 plus year history of the rna how about that claire dowling uh from ireland right 68 year old irish woman um she's she's been a curtis cup captain in the past she played in the world amateur team championship uh she played four times um on the Curtis Cup team.

She chaired England's golf handicap and course rating system. She's just a, she's a badass. Just a golfer. And I bet the lifelong golfer. I bet the old boys over at Meersfielder. Oh God, I thought that. I bet that was a lively lunch. God, that's great.

Great life and golf. Well rewarded. I need to get around the pond. All for it. That's sick. Also, John Hopkins had some absolute heat in global golf posts this week. He said the process, that he was quoting some RNA members. The prospect of the game's oldest major championship leaving the shores of England,

Scotland, and Northern Ireland for the shores of another country is not one that is universally welcomed. We are a royal charter, British and the Open is British to our core, said one RNA member. It has been held in Britain for more than 150. years. How on earth could we think of taking it out of the UK? Port Marnik is not about anything other than the honeypot of Dublin with 12 major U.S. corporates who will buy endless corporate hospitality and make the thing a financial success. There's a $350 million economic benefit to the area of the Open Championship goes to. And we're going to take that to Ireland. It has me fizzing.

Fizzing is that's a great word. So, uh, and then, and then he goes on to bemoan the, um, the demise of the apostrophe from royal rhythm and st. anne's yeah quite like at length i'm with yeah a footnote royal of rhythm and san an is at the center of one of the great debates in golf is royal and is royal rhythm and san an is with an apostrophe or royal rhythm and san an is without an apostrophe the dashed apostrophe where does it belong the rhythm century and beyond first published just after the turn of this century i actually have that book includes the apostrophe but the blessed and late lament the golfers handbook, a Bible of the game did not, nor does anybody else much since.

The whole UK versus Ireland thing is there may have been some people that incriminated themselves by saying it's not called the British Open. You know, all those, all those tweets, all those tweets, all those screeds, all those, all the yelling about how you dickheads got to stop calling at the British Open. The Open Championship is like, well, I don't know. Can't have it both ways. You see walking through a couple of those clubhouses last week in England, I was seeing a lot of old signage with the British Open.

Seems like they might be coming back around on that name. I don't know. It's interesting. So Randy, I think with the demise of this, this rhythm apostrophe, I think this goes part and parcel with growing the game. Yeah.

You know, how are we to grow the game without this apostrophe? How are we to grow the game with a, rolled back golf ball. And you asked a really, really powerful question this week in our Slack. He said, I think we should start asking, what level are we trying to grow the game to? What's the goal or the endpoint? When will golf have been sufficiently grown?

Yeah. It just struck me. I don't know if it's like Bryson and the live stuff. You know, Nelly's been going to the, I just want to inspire and grow the next generation. I propose anytime from here on out somebody mentions the words grow the game I think you have to ask the follow up what to what end to what where are we trying to grow the game to what how will we know when the game has grown you know I I want people on the record giving their opinion on where we're trying to go with growing the game quantity versus quality right yeah I mean it seems that way for a lot of people but maybe Maybe that's not, you know, maybe that's not everybody's rubric or metric. It just, we, I, we've been waterboarded with Grow the Game, but like, what does that even mean? How are we not asking the follow question?

You companies and individuals and stakeholders in the game, like lining their pockets because more people are playing and, like, I'm all for like sustainably growing the game, but I'm not for just, like, jamming the game with a bunch of dipshits who are going to, you're going to, run people over in their golf carts on Saturdays. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't know.

I just, I'm, I reach breaking points every now and again. I just, I feel like we need to start asking more questions around growing the game. I, I was joking about this, but I wrote down at 3.48 p.m. this afternoon. There were three different televised men's professional golf events all ending at the same time. and I just don't know how much more we can grow the game, Randy. Like, I don't know what else we can. There's no more room to grow the game. Like what I don't know what we're doing.

I feel like it's, I don't know. It's grown. I think he's pretty grown. Go try to make a tea time right now. It's a grown ass game. It's a grown ass game, man. It is. It really is.

Cody is. Cody, what's the game looking like down in Dallas? We're Bryson. It's grown, man. That's what I, every time, Randy, when you said this earlier, I was like, yeah, man, like, what does that even fucking mean?

Because I feel like the people, like outside of new participation, right? You have to have a place for them to go. And the people that were doing that is National Links Trust. And we obviously see like the big hand of government coming down on them and being like, nah, motherfuckers, you ain't grown that here. You want to privately fund this? Your time's out of here. So who is, who's responsible for this?

Is this what fucking Don Ray's working on? I think, well, again, we're not sure what Don't know. The first utterance of growing the game. I'd be curious, we should do a deep dive.

Like, where to just really break through? Yeah. Probably that podcast of Rory did on golf pass. Well, it's a, it's a good, like,

to your point, Randy, it's like, it's kind of a joke and it's kind of a, like a ha-ha, but at the same time, it's like,

what are we actually talking about here? because I think everybody, like the pretty logical strain that I think at least you talk to pro golfers and executives and whoever is like, oh, no, somebody's going to watch the golf on TV and then they're going to go pick up a set of clubs and they're going to want to go play for themselves, which is great and a very nice string to follow. Also, we seem to be just like shuddering public golf courses without any end in sight. And I know there's a couple of efforts to, you know, push back on that. But I'm like, no, the grow of the game stuff is like local city governments, trying to keep munies open and trying to add driving ranges and trying to add chipping areas and trying to add all these different things. It's not more televised golf.

I don't think. I think we're pretty good on that one about 49 weeks a year. And it's the LPGA. Yeah. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's pretty bleak and pretty like craven and kind of just a shield. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, yeah, it's just such a shield. That's exactly what it is.

Like, you say grow the game and it's like, no, sorry, you can't touch, can't touch me after that. The Rib was on this, he was on the New Heights podcast, T.C.'s boys this week. And they brought this up to him. and they actually ask him like, what does grow the game? Like, what does that actually mean? Well, they're asking the tough question. I apologize to the Kelsey brothers. And his response, he used the park, of course, as an example.

And he's like, the issue that you have with the park is that like, you need a bunch of like very wealthy people to buy the land to actually like invest in the property, bring the right people in Gilhans to develop this project. And I'm like, yeah, that's great. But that's not what like public golf actually. is that's a public private partnership but the majority of public courses are still owned by municipalities and i don't know who's going out to these city governments and things like that and like teaching them hey man you you guys have full t-sheets now are you taking that revenue

entities are you taking that revenue and like figuring it out how to improve the asset that you have or heaven forbid develop new ones because actually cody what they're doing is they're taking a lot of the revenue that that gets generated at these local golf courses and they're using that to subsidize the rest of the parks department. Which is disgraceful in my opinion. I like parts. That's a tough one. Yeah, but like part, but like why should golf have to like if you're all developing more golf

than yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you should put it like, all right, if it's generating. a bunch, you should invest in your product, and then you can subsidize the rest of the parks department with some portion of that, but reinvest in the product there and it becomes a flywheel.

I wonder, there has to be, you know, there's so many organizations in golf that are actually, like, looking at this, that are supposed to be like overseeing the, the growth of it, whether that's not just individual players, but properties and everything else. And I just, think that it's right. Randy, people become so immune to just be like, grow the game, grow the game, grow the game. What are you doing with all this money you got? Growing the game.

What the hell? It just seems like people are just stuff in that, like trying to figure out how to grow it in their wallet, bro. Stuff in their pockets. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's a broad brush because there are organizations doing a lot of that stuff. And I look at like the PJ Junior League is where

I'm like, man, that seems like a perfect example of what we're talking about. I think what it all comes back to. I think I'm not an expert on this, but it's like the, there's still just a finite amount of space to do it. There's a high barrier to entry. It's just, it's a hard thing to to grow and to turn people from TV watchers, which we don't even know if that's where a lot of this starts. If that's where like the life cycle starts is watching some like, like over stuff with commercials six-hour telecast and just being like,

God, I can't get enough. I need to get out and play. I don't know if that's totally true. I don't know if it starts at top golf. We kind of seem like maybe that bubbles first a little bit. I just, I think it starts with like, yeah, munis in the driving ranges and going out and putting with your dad

or your brother or your sister or your mom, whoever. And that's, yeah. Caddies is another one. That's the like, yeah, I don't know. It's a very, very good

question, Randy, that again, like, starts as kind of a joke and then ends up becoming, like, pretty, pretty cynical and pretty bleak, pretty fast. We're about to be bombarded this week with, like, PGA of America propaganda, rightfully so, and how great

the 29, 31, 34, whatever number of thousand it's going to be this year. They're all hanging out, Don Ray's every word. And there are some amazing, golf professionals out there that are doing like truly incredible things but man tc u asked me like how things are going in texas that this like horrible place that i go uh practice the club pro could not be bothered with life man and i'm like i know he is not a the shiny example of it

but that's like a pretty good experience that most people have when they roll up to like any sort of municipal golf course. And I think the interaction is done with like the bag drop guys or the ladies like giving you a Coke or anything else like that. But I don't think like they're not involved in any ecosystem here. Well, Cody, I think the other thing is like they're the good ones that are out there haven't gotten dick for support. Yeah. The last decade, two decades from the PGA of America too. Like it's just a broken organization that doesn't like they don't even like we get notes all the time from pros we're like oh like you guys like at the local level at the state level at the regional level at the national level like the amount of dysfunction and distrust between these different organizations

the difference between chapters and sections versus the national committee yeah um yeah and it's to say you know it's like and there's there's plenty of good like like like like like here in florida i've had great interactions with the florida state Golf Association. That's not the PGA of America. There's amateurs. Yeah, but there's also some PGA of America pros that work for them and all of that stuff. But there's, you know,

it's just like the administrators of golf shouldn't be demonized or tart and feathered. Kind of like what, what J.T. was suggesting there. Like, you know, sticking his nose up at quote unquote amateurs. Like, all right, I guarantee you these people have thought a lot more.

Yeah, they're professionals at their job, man. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that. not professional golfers. I think there's just been a lot of... There's been a lot of people with the PGA of America who just got promoted beyond their station. And they have really harmed the organization.

So hopefully we get back. We've got a transcript or a, Amen Lynch article interview with the new PGA of America's CEO here in a bit. This is interesting. As you guys were talking, sorry. And kind of tying it back to, that tennis story about pros

speaking about boycotting majors because of the they're not giving away as much money to the players I'm on the USGA website guess how much they promote in direct like quote we give this amount of money to growing the game including first T

LPGA USGA Girls Golf and Drive Chip and Put what do you think that number is annually literally don't even have a guess. 80 million? $2 million. $2 million? Yeah.

It's on the website? On the website. 2 million annual investment in growing the game, including First T, LPGA. Maybe they're on our side. Maybe the game's had a good spot. So I would love, you know, I know this will never happen,

but it'd be curious, you know, you hear a Bryson or you hear something. I just want to grow the game. I want to grow the game. Well, what about less purses? What if, should we be giving more money from the U.S. Men's Open to grow the game initiatives?

Yeah. I don't think they would, you know, when it, when it hits their bank account, I don't think they would necessarily want to grow the game that much. Which is kind of, which has kind of always been my,

uh, yeah, my bugaboo with some of the, the majors is like, if you're the PGA, if you're the USGA, if you're Augusta National, if you're the RNA,

there is an impetus to prove during all those commercial slots. This is why those PSAs all exist. And they do such a bad job of being like, no, no, no, no. Here's why we're only giving this percent to, we don't exist only to put on the open. We exist to do all of these other things. We're not here just to make the, the PJ Championship is supposed to fund all the other shit that we're supposed to do. And when I am sitting here as a professional golf podcaster, amateur golfer, professional golf podcaster and saying like, yeah, I don't really know what you guys do.

I'm like that, that seems like the disconnect, man. Like that's the problem is either it's not happening. Or you're not telling the story the right way. I think the USGA has done a lot better job of that over the last three, four years with Juan. And, you know, I think golf course superintendents association, like there's, there's good stories to be told. I think that the PGA of America is just in the last place as far as it's telling that story. Well, and I think the USGA too, like, again, self-serving, but like I go back to the US National Development program video that we, that we just got done doing. And their whole ethos was like,

no, we're starting with the tip of the spear so that we figure out what works so that we can get some best practices for how to make Astros Talley into a world beater. And then we're going to waterfall that down into the state teams and then we're going to waterfall the state teams down into whatever else. And I'm like, oh, that makes sense because they're not like putting up a sandwich board that's just like come hit golf balls today.

Like, who gives a shit whether you stick around or not? Like they're trying to promote the game in like a certain way which is not just like, come please try my product. Come, please try any sort of golf is like not a very sticky way to do it and not what they're interested

in doing it. Which I actually dig. I do too. Totally. I'm kind of speaking out of both sides, but I think golf is a sport where it should be just as much as people find it as it finds people. And, you know, I made fun of the the old tailor-made guy for his, he wants to have giant cups, make things. And I'm like, that's what I have no patience for. Totally. Like meet golf where it is and golf will meet you. You know, it's just better opportunities to meet people where they are maybe. It's very interesting. There's like a couple thousand people who play golf for a living

and there's 30 whatever thousand people who work in the business of golf at the PGA of America. And then you could say that you can build that out to companies and everything else that work in the greater golf ecosystem. And then there's like millions of people who actually play and enjoy this game of golf. And when they go down the robot conversation, it's always of the fence of the amateur golfer.

And like Tom and Jones, and Tim and Kathy who are out there playing, don't give a fuck about what their golf ball does. Yeah. You know, and I understand that's the hard part where golf is, is like trying to make it so it's on both sides. But geez, man, it seems impossible. Yeah.

Well, I don't know if we're going to solve it. We'll cap it there. Randy, it's a very good question that is now going to be in the back of my head every single time somebody says. Yeah. It's a great thing to T. up before this week.

Yeah. We'll have the new CEO's presser. Sounds like Don Ray's not going to be sitting next to him. I mean, Deeds, let's go there next. Yeah. Let's see here. So, Amon Lynch had a great interview with the... Terry Clark, right?

Yeah, Terry Clark, who... Gary Perry. I think he's probably very excited to be in his job. new role and out of the United Health Care sphere. But yeah, he just, a lot of corporate gobbly gook, didn't really offer a lot of specifics, but also said, hey, we do have to change some things. We do have to transition to, you know, some just some clear messaging themes and that sort of thing. He's got entrepreneurial DNA, he said.

He's been United Health Group. he's been uh he worked for iacc which is barry dealers shop uh ticket master so obviously companies that that are cartels or you're acting somewhat of monopolies uh don't know anything about terry wishing him all the best and root i've heard good things root and hard for the pj of america but the yeah i don't want golf to be more like ticket master united health would be my my or expedia or expedia it would be my first order of business but uh in this line entrepreneurial DNA that gets me fired i love when people talk about it says then we're going to talk about the opportunity everyone says grow the game but what does that mean what is what are

the programs we're doing with our membership to get at that golf is strong right now but i don't think that can be translated to complacency got to keep getting at it so we'll talk about those initiatives we're looking at on growing the game he said you know championship excellence will be one of his other ones and then career path and opportunities for for training and actually taking care of their members and stuff which does sound like the hierarchy of of needs right i mean that does sound like all the the tick boxes of like what do we need to address here with the pjave america i just hope it out championship excellence is an interesting one we shouted out the australian open tennis as like hey we've like that's a really good benchmark like they were the clear fourth place uh you know

as far as the majors go in tennis and they have been wildly creative and just competitive as far as rethinking everything and it's become like like randy we went a few years ago it's become like one of the best events in sports you know it's fabulous that god i'm blanking on that guy's name but he actually just he's going over to the usta now so it'll be interesting how the ozi open kind of backfills and continues on without uh i'm i'm I don't know the guy's name, but his leadership. And then they get into Don Ray. Amon said the PGA of America president is usually part of that media event,

but it's been reported that your current president, Don Ray Jr. Won't even be on site for the tournament. He was obviously a lightning rod for criticism several times last year. Has he been muzzled by the PGA of America? Okay, so let me answer your first point. Don will not be on stage with me. I know that. We've got Don operating in a different lane right now.

It's very, very focused throughout membership. I'm the one that should be projecting the external voice of the organization around things like this. Amen comes back, but has he been muzzled? Quote from Terry, Don has been asked to specifically focus on those non-public-facing membership responsibilities. Amen. Annie's happy with that role? I can't comment for Don. I talk to Don all the time.

He's still very active in his work with the board. Part of me deciding to come in was going to be that I've got specific support to be able to do the job. So I think part of that is I should be the spokesperson at this event. And he gets into, you know, is the governance model fit for purpose? Which is a great question. This is not a whole PJ of America pond. 25 people on the board. Well, that and the whole idea of like, oh, the new president just comes in every two years is so stupid. It's just all like, it's, it's wild. But yeah, there's 22 people on the board. It sounds like Don has been moved to, to storage room B that we will not.

Milton, Adam. It's the keep his stapler. Yeah. God, that's a wild. What a rise and fall. I mean, for a job that's just like, you guys do this for a living, name me five other PJ of America presidents. It's like such an easy job to just fade into the background.

Ed Bishop's the only other one. It's like, Tate. Cizzie Whaley. Yeah, but it's like, there's a bunch of others that are like, oh, yeah, there's that guy that you did. I can picture him, but I don't remember. It's just an easy job to fade into the background. added our guy don did not do that you got to commend him on some level i would also just just

i would i would uh you know tell the pga of america some of their 22 people on the board a few of them were pretty vociferous in their support of don so i would maybe poke around in that 22 person board and take a look at who what's going out of their way to support don like like gideon you uh one of the co-owners of my beloved 49ers randy he was he was very very uh supportive of don so anyway uh good one from amen go read it um what else he haven't gotten to live yet guys let's just oh god we're two hours in you know scott o'neal big big press for this week whole transcript was spectacular you go to asap sports and get that if you want to tc open with a big thing about it about mother's day and how he wanted everyone to stop

The tech. Thank you. Thank you all for coming. Text your mother. Before we get started, oh, this is Mother's Day weekend on Sunday. For all those of you,

like he went on for like three minutes on this. And he said, this is the largest meteor move we've had, very cavernous. And then, you know, yes, it's beautiful.

With that, we'll dive into it. People are calling him Michael Scott, O'Neill. We're going to aim to be as transparent as possible. Scott is going to answer as many questions as he possibly can. There may be some topics we can't cover.

We will be. clear when that is the case. Let's see here. He said maybe another elephant in the room. We talked earlier about bringing in advisors who are experienced in building financial plans, business plans, even restructuring. Is that something that we're thinking about right now? This is from Ilana Finley, the media official. Scott O'Neill, I mean, we have these advisors. We're locked in on going to market with a plan. This is transaction, transaction, transaction. That's what I wake up thinking about. That's what I go to sleep thinking about. what i think about when i'm eating that's what i think about when i'm on the golf course that's what i

thought about when i was walking beautiful trump national out here this is our 100% of my time our time is focused on driving to a transaction this is business randy it's all it i mean transaction somebody asked a question you mentioned that the value is in the teams but how do you sell a team like the cliques for example what you don't know what players are going to be a part of that team Scott O'Neill. Is this a clique's question? Or is this just an example? Or did you have like just like a random example?

Yeah, or say crushers. Oh yeah, crushers. Okay. So the way the process will typically work and I might be getting ahead of myself is that we're going to create a business plan. We're going to lock arms with the players. We will go to market and raise money on the top on a league level. And then we will go get investors in teams in that order. So we should have the players on the team.

they should be locked in. So, I've read that a few. I'm still like, huh? I don't think he answered the question. No, if we want to go backwards,

it's like so you're going to guarantee that the players can play on the team, but then they're also going to get OWGR points, even though they're guaranteed a place in the league, is like, oh, great, now we're just back to back to the squad. And you don't have any money to pay these guys. They're guaranteed contracts.

John Rom, for instance. You don't have business plans? John Rom. Billion dollar entities we're talking about. John Rom said, so I don't see many ways out. And as of right now, I'm not really thinking about it since we still have a season to play and majors to compete for. So it's not something I want to think about just yet.

So he sounds like a hostage in this whole thing. Yeah, he was written about talking about how his contract was written ironclad. They thought about all this already. it was just not good vibes. Fine vibes from from Rob. I feel like he was just kind of telling it like it was, but I wouldn't say it's a great, the rallying cry for the live golf league.

Meanwhile, Rom, Rahm got a framework agreement done with the DP World Tour. That happened for Ryder Cup eligibility. Yeah, huge. Interesting timing. He said they gave a little bit. He gave a little bit, still taking his principled stand, but it sounds like he's going to be showing up.

at the Spanish Open. I think his wife's due with their next child, that, like, right around that time frame. So we'll see. Bryson chimed in. He was teaching the kids in the Oval Office, and he was doing pull-ups and push-ups with Gary Player at the White House. You know, kind of got a hand.

It looked like kind of an electric event out there. So Todd Golden was there. And I'll say this too. I always enjoyed presidential fitness test week in gym class growing up. Like I don't even have anything snarky to say about that. I do enjoy it. Gary Plurier had a warning for the youth. He said, I say to the young people, just love this country because you don't realize what's going on around the world.

There's a silent war taking place against America today. What we've got to do is make sure that these kids realize that freedom exercise and education start with reading some books. So what you put in your body is so important. What a wonderful job Trump has done. And to all your cabinet members, I say, thank you for maintaining this great word, this cherished word, freedom. And then Bryson said the egos need to get dropped. Everybody needs to come in with a level-headed playing field

with an opportunistic mindset to grow the game of golf. That's why I came over here. That's why I do what I do on YouTube. What do you say to that, Randy? That's, yeah. stop me, Bryson. My hands are moving further apart. How much do we have to grow the game?

You tell me. Like, I just, let's get them on the record. Or Bryson. I think from my perspective, I'd love to grow my YouTube channel three times, maybe even more. DeChanbo said, while practicing Tuesday in preparation for this week's live golf tournament at Trump National. I would love to.

I'd love to do a bunch of dubbing in different languages, giving the world more reason to watch YouTube. And then I'd love to play tournaments that want me. he also took some shots at pGA tour he said look the pGA tour isn't doing great either let's be honest about the situation they've got the media they've got everybody on that side that helps pump it up but they're reducing field sizes cutting employees and restructuring their business too so we're not totally just the same really it's kind of the same situation if you look at it uh Lucas Herbert won this week by the way if we didn't mention that uh already he was he was

playing some good G he was kind of in the zone the first two rounds got you do have it was uh there was like one person within 10 shots of them uh it was it was an ask maybe Lucas Herbert and what was our guy's name? Uh, uh, Prem wall. Yeah. Maybe they need to have like a, a match.

Grow the game. Mono e mono. Yeah. Uh, guys, I think we're, I think we're rounded from home here. We've, we've covered a lot of ground. We've covered a lot of ground here. There's a great guy Kinnings interview. I would recommend people go check out. I believe this was in today's golfer.

Go read that one. Anything earth-shattering from that one or just? No, it's just a good, it kind of goes hand-in-hand with the schedule podcast, I think, and like kind of this loose idea that like is the DP World Tour going to be a feeder system to the PJ tour? Is it where are we at? And there was just some interesting stuff about kind of the deep. DP World Tour owning

sort of September to January and then laddering up to kind of a larger thing I took away. A larger PJ tour kind of ladder, which makes a lot of sense to me. Which T.C. we talked about in the schedule of pod, but like if you can get to the situation

where like the Italian, like I've got some framework for what you know, on Saturday morning and I turn on the Italian Open or the BMW International or the British Masters or whatever and there's sort of a cohesive path that that leads to. I think that's a dub.

I think maybe for our friends across the pond, the reality of the situation is probably going to be that that's going to ladder up to golf in America with bigger purses, but I don't know, kind of feels like better than nothing, seeing as how the PJ tour is underpinning a lot of those purses to begin with

and, you know, just kind of what the general state of that tour is right now. Yeah, I'll be fascinated to see how they, fold the tier you know the track two stuff and the kind of the rank and file DP world tour stuff together yeah there's a a tie-in or a points thing um Bob Herig had a good you know sit down with Ian Polter he had all sorts of thoughts on live as well GMAC had some thoughts he said I was ready to jump ship and go get a real job McDowell said before practicing yesterday in advance of this week's Live Golf Virginia event.

I think he meant televising golf, like commentary stuff, I believe. And then these guys came along and said, hey, we're going to do this tour. Do you want to come play? I love playing. I love competing. I regret a few of the things I said in the beginning, stuff like growing the game. I should have just said it for what it was. This is good for my bank account and I'm getting a runway to play the game of golf as long as I possibly can.

Love hearing that. I love it. I love GMAC, man. That's a fitting coda to this. Yeah. That's why I was so frustrating because he's, he's a man. You come out with that day one and it's like hard to,

like you can agree or disagree, but that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. T.C. I think that takes us kind of the end of the notebook, man. That's it. Yeah. Long note, big, big notebook.

I apologize, everybody. Oh, it's great. It can triple binders. Binders. Binders. We got a big week. Obviously, PJ Championship this week. We're going to do a live preview pod tomorrow, which would be great.

Looking forward to that. We're going to have live shows on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Looking forward to that. We mentioned you guys are going to be in Philly. Who's that you and Sali and Neil? Correct. And Cody. And Cody.

Going to be in Philly for a live event on Tuesday night. That's going to be a blast come out if you can. A big trap draw week this week. Yeah. I got, uh, radio, I think, I think he announced it on his podcast. So I'll just say it. Oh boy. Witt from spitting chicklets.

He's coming on. We're talking puck. Talking puck. I'm watching my habs right now. Playing the sabers. It's getting, it's getting extra chippy. My hurricanes playing really well. Uh, the wild stepped up last night, Randy.

Your, your avalanche might clip the abs. Yeah. Yeah. They might bench their goalie, all sorts of stuff. Biz Nasty's been great on the, on the, uh, you know, know intermission shows so keep it up keep up the good work uh if you're a nest member we got a great nest podcast uh coming this week we did a little public golf draft which was really really fun so people really showed some true colors i would say that in that episode

it's all i couldn't name a public golf court uh no that was they're not really really great i would i would encourage people to familiarize themselves with sunnyside part of the par three or something in the state New York it's a load bearing traffic you had there yeah if you're if you're not a member of the nest go check that out

other than that guys I'm looking forward to the PJ championship I'm ready to dive into some errone ink research the mink we'll have all kinds of picks we'll have all kinds of live shows we'll have all kinds of everything you could possibly think of over the next seven days and hopefully crown a worthy

champion at the end so two hours and 10 minutes after the truest gosh who to You know, I mean, we had the, you know, we had the whole longer than they showed the LPGAL. 12 del Prott, about 45 minutes. Randy, we're going to take your story back this week. I was going to say, T.C., do me, do me proud in Philly. I love it.

Well, shout out to Cody behind the scenes. Shout out to Matt behind the scenes. Thanks to everybody for watching. Thank you to title. Thank you to high noon. And thank you to Roeback. We'll see everybody this week for the PGA. Cheers.

And shout out to the Miami Red Hawks. Coach Fletcher. Love and honor.