No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1157: Kicking off the PGA at Aronimink

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

Pumped to be back in Philadelphia for some golf! Join us as we kick off the 2026 PGA Championship: reaction to a bunch of pre-tournament press conferences, on-the-ground updates from Soly and Neil, a roll-back ball in play?!, news & notes, final picks, and a bunch more! Presented by Titleist. Support our sponsors: Titleist - the #1 ball in Golf! Rhoback - code NLU for 20% off at https://www.rhoback.com Golf Pride - 20% off with NLU20 at https://golfpride.com Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf The NLU email newsletter: bi-monthly updates on all things NLU: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/subscribe Join The No Laying Up Nest: https://nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Nolenga podcast live here at the PGA Championship, somewhat close to the PGA Championship,

actually about an hour and a half away based on the commute times that we've had here. Brought to you, of course, by our friends at Titleist. I am Sali, ready to kick off the second men's major championship of the year. We are going to be joined here shortly by our guy, Icarito. He's actually been coming through that door right over my shoulder here. Very, very shortly like the Kool-Aid man. But joining me from Pontivier or from Jacksonville Beach, I guess, technically.

Mr. T.C., hello, T.C. Hey, Sully, the lawn guys just got it. It's a disaster. But go birds. T.C. was up here with us. We had a great event here in Philly last, last night. and we will talk about a little bit about that later on. DJ Pius here as well from Wisconsin.

Hello, Pye, man. Hello, guys. Good to be with you. I'm excited, man. I think we had a good week ahead. Good week ahead. I think it's going to be spending the day out there today was a reminder of, you know, just good to see the slopes in person, see the undulation in person, like, you know, see a little wind.

Like, we'll talk a little bit about that. I think they should have moved the tournament up to start today because that was, there were some very, very real conditions. There was sand blowing across the greens, getting in people's eyes. and it was just some elements to be to be battled today, and I hope we get a little bit of that the remainder of the week. Looks like we could get a little bit, not maybe not as strong as today,

but we're going to get a little bit of that. But big day, massive day. If you haven't heard, Titleist, new tour proven GTS drivers, now available for fittings and for pre-sale. GTS is designed with around complete driver performance, speed, stability, consistency, all about giving you more confidence off the T. The lineup is packed with new tech like split mass frame,

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I went in. I said, give me all the. tech. Give me the, give me weights, give me, you know, forgiveness, give me stability. Give me all of it. And they delivered. I can report. Saw you're looking for wind. We've got it in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today. We went out, went out and played this morning. It was super windy. And the ball is launching out of the window, keeping the spin off of it. Still getting the ball out there. It's not ballooning. You've seen me hit the balloon boy. T shots out there many, many, many, many times. I was keeping it was, it was keeping its line. It was staying a little heavy with the new GTS, too, was a thrill. Got a little more confidence on the tea. It's an exciting day.

Exciting day from our friends at Titleist. Still haven't been fit for mine and I can't listen to another one of these and not get extremely jealous. But GTS drivers will be landing in golf shops worldwide on June 11th. Go to tidalus.com to find a fitting near you so you don't end up like me still waiting to get your fitting done here on launch day here on May 13th. Guys, how was the show last night? What did you do? We had a bunch of TC's buddies here from Philly in town. And we had a great event, a high noon event put on at Liberty Point down by the water.

Did a little live show in person, had a bunch of people asking questions and just hung for about three hours there down by the water. It was fantastic. Incredible turnout. Just some real golf junkies here. Love the golf culture in Philadelphia in general. And we got more cheers than booze last night, which I think was a surprise. Decidedly, one big. takeaway, Dej, decidedly not pro-Bricon crowd.

And there were some predictions from the folks. I was on Monday, I was kind of like, dude, I think people are going to be cheering for him. Just decidedly, they were booing me for that take, saying like, no, Bryson's going to get it this week, which I still, it remained to be seen. Maybe it's kind of just the weird Venn diagram part of people that will maybe listen to our show may not be, end up being the biggest Bryson fans. But they were, yeah, they were saying Bryson is not going to win over the Philly faithful this week.

just maybe the preeminent non-bullshitters in the world up there in Philly. You know, they, much like our friends, the title is GTS, too, they cut right through it, man. They cut right through the wind. No spin, no anything up there in Philly, which is, which is always a thrill. It could be jarring if you're not ready for it. But it's, yeah, I just feel like they're going to sniff Bryson out. But that's, who knows? Yeah, they, they were very, yeah, I would say not pro-Bricent.

they were very anti-Bricer. It was very, very refreshing. What else? A lot of them just complaining, bitching like crazy about Lulu, doing all sorts of nefarious, alleged acts of cheating and recruiting and NIL stuff and the gap matches.

That was a big topic of discussion. What was the best question? What was the best question? There were some grow-of-game questions. I know Sally really enjoyed. Yeah. A lot of questions about my birds. How would I fix the Sixers?

Daryl Morey got fired as we were on stage. Separate of it. Separate of it. Well, they were like directly across the river. Like you could see their facility from where we were doing it. Sally set up a great fireworks show for the finale, right at the very end. And that was a thrill. I love it.

Yeah. That was great. We're going to be doing another one in New York. details of that to come here soon around the U.S. Open. But it was great fun. Thank you to high-noon and for Liberty Point for having us. Solly, what did you see out there today? What did you get into?

I spent, well, yeah, I'm not going to do the media complain about the logistics thing. You want me to do it. Everyone's begging you to do it. Yeah, I know. Everybody wants me to do it. I'm actually talking about the golf and the golf course. I'm not going to talk about, you know, the three hours I spent in vehicles today, trying to get just out to the suburbs here of Philadelphia because, you know,

It was a, I like this venue a lot. It was great, great to be on site, great walking around, great connectivity between the holes. I think for people that are attending in person, it's, it's a awesome venue. A lot of the stuff that we nerd out about, about the challenge of a golf course is not necessarily why a lot of people go to golf tournaments and go to see things in person. I think the environment is going to be awesome out there. Just the, all the clothes are, the holes are so close together. There's just great opportunity for a lot of noise to travel to that property. I love the bowl and the valley.

and so many spots where you can see so many holes and you can just see where crowds are moving. You can see what's happening on different parts of the golf course. It's a really, really cool venue. It is just small. Like the media drop-off areas in this tiny little gravel lot. And there's just, you know, you used to go into these tournaments that have some space on the periphery to be able to house people,

get them in and out, have shuttle buses and things like that. And it's a tight squeeze in there, but it's worth it to go to a place like this. Like I still would take this with some of the challenges over a little bit more soulless venue like the course we will not name that comes up in a lot of these yeah exactly like the reason they go to a lot of those places is because of stuff that isn't that great to the viewing experience and like yeah it makes it makes a lot of this more challenging but I think it's going to add to the viewing experience this week I'm stoked this is going to be is the PJ of America paying you are you simping for the PGA of America

It is like, yeah, we talked a lot about, you know, the bad momentum they've had, the bad last couple of years they've had, maybe the last couple decades they've had. And then you get out there and you're like, all right, well, this is still pretty freaking cool, man. Like, they got real, I don't know, just seeing the banners. They're giving away major, you know. Maybe, maybe a full major, maybe a full major. Crank those lawn guys back up, T.C. I'm trying to get some excitement going here. All right.

This is going to be a great PG. Yeah, I did, I'm only going to be out there tomorrow and then I'm heading home Friday. And I was kind of like, man, this would be a really fun one to go see all the way through to the finish on Sunday. Because once you're there, again, everything's just contained in a tight area. Pace of play is going to be tough. There's definitely some examples we can get into some of that of some areas where it's just not going to be. You know, things are not going to flow very well for a lot of reasons. But Thursday and Friday are going to be a bit of a slog.

But I think once you get to the weekend, it's just going to be a freaking great championship. It feels like, yeah, it feels like the kind of, we've caught our hand in the cookie jar on this, this take before, but it does feel like the type of championship that can build if that's what they're into. You know, it feels like. With the forecast, I think it has a chance to do. It feels like I'm not going to have the fallacy of thinking that we're going to, you know, thinking we're going to get some crazy six over par winner or something like that, or they're going to turn it up and there's going to be a bunch of 85s on on Sunday.

That's not going to happen. But I do think like with the wind, with the firmness, it's going to be just a really good test. It probably keeps getting better and better throughout the week. You know, I think I saw PORath, poorath said this, but he was comparing it to Philly Cricket Club when they had the truest out there. And it was like, you know, the first couple days, he had a bunch of 64s. And then as they kind of ramped it up, like it just, it came back to Earth. And it, you know, the teeth start to show a little bit. bit. And I thought that was a good take and I could see this being sort of a similar week.

It's a signature event week. Yeah. And it is the tale of two nines. This is going to be a, you know, a popular take and it's going to be obvious to everyone that is going to be watching. But I started this today. I picked up Rory's group on 10T, watching them play the back nine. It was like, dude, there's some bite out here, especially with the wind blowing how it was. Now, it was blowing today in the complete opposite direction. It's scheduled to blow tomorrow, which I think is, you know, interesting. But it was just, all right, you get to, you know, all right, 11. 11 had a ton of bite today, right? And I think we are kind of, I was a little dismissive of it on Monday of like, dude,

I mean, yeah, all the slopes and all this doesn't really matter to these guys with wedges. And there was so much win today, on hell, Aiora, who was playing in Rory's group, like hit a good up onto the green, thought it was going to be good. And it did not stop rolling for like a minute. It just kept going, kept going, kept going. So are they going to lose 11? This was a big, big talking point. Guys are saying, how can we possibly keep it on this green?

It's too turned up. That's where the course really starts. Carrie Hague was asked about this in the press conference today, and he said that it is a green that is maintained at a slower speed than the other ones. It's been maintained this whole week, and it's one that they are monitoring. So I doubt they lose 11. It was blowing into and off the right today, which was assisting with balls going down that slope.

and if it's going to be scheduled to be, so it's going to be Northwest win, North, yeah, Northwest wind tomorrow, that would make it, I don't know exactly. I have to do the math. I lose directions so fast, but it won't be, it won't be, you know, it won't be the same direction.

It'll be able to hold that ball, the balls on the green, potentially a little bit better. You got to dodge some, some rain tonight, right? There's some potential for some showers. I think it was a quarter of an inch. It was all I saw.

I saw it described. is enough to, enough to, to wet the course, but not enough to drench it. So not something we're overly, it's not going to, like the rain tonight's not going to help, but it's not going to ruin things. It's not going to turn into a sop fest and turn into ball in hand. I loved on the 11th, just as, as Neil gets, gets settled in here. Gentlemen, good to see you. As always, people should read Jeff Shackabert's newsletter, the quadrilateral, especially if what he, what he's had enough of a certain talking point.

and as he had last night, and he wrote that under the rules of golf, players are allowed to quote, flight shots into 11 to take off the spin and not whip it off the front. I just thought that was excellent. Excellent from the shackness, as always. Deid,

what was Kerry Higg's disposition in his presser? I read the transcript. So I saw some clips, and it's normal Carrie Hague stuff. You know, I think it's pretty, he's not going to give you all. lot, man. It's just, it's, there's a lot of people asking for specifics and it's a lot of like,

yeah, these greens are slopy. They're sloping, you know, slope on a lot of greens we go to. Back to you. What do you think about trees? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of, a lot of things you could say about trees. Fantastic place to watch. I love Zander's quote about trees. I like trees. Yeah, we can, we can get into the tree discourse in a second. Neil, how are you, dude? I'm good, man. I couldn't, I didn't know if you guys could hear me or not. It's good being with you, Dege, always a pleasure to be on your on your program. Listen, it was a journey getting back here. I'm sorry I'm running a little late.

But you missed that two o'clock shuttle. The second one didn't shut till 245. It'll cost you, man. I was sweating a little bit getting on the two o'clock shuttle getting here for four o'clock. Neil, would you be better off commuting back home than commuting back into the city? No, it's just a parking situation. It's just you can't. There's nowhere to park around the course.

So, you know, park at the casino. Shout out to Audubon Bispark, the King of Prussia. King of Prussia. The King of Prussia's HQ for all vehicles. Like, no questions. We're not doing it, guys. Don't bring anything but a bus coming down these roads. Get out of here.

But, I mean, my first impression, it's a really, I know, it's easy on the eyes. Really good-looking piece of land out there. Not a big piece of land, but I was like, man, it reminded me a little bit of Southern Hills with the elevation change. And if this is anything like Southern Hills or Oak Hill, I'm going to be a happy camper. Don't care if it's 20 under or not. It looks like some, I saw some fun golf shots.

You guys are just talking about 11, watching Scotty and Woodland put around that green, like guys worrying about getting stuck in that little swale behind that green. They're putting sideways and the ball's just taking a left turn and running out like 30, 40 feet. So 11 is a great play. to watch golf if you're going to the tournament. There's no grandstand there, but you could see

Seven Green is also crazy. You can kind of see that over on the right if you're standing behind 11. And you just, I think Salli was saying it when I walked in, you can just kind of feel the energy of the whole back nine from a few spots right there is one of them. If something's happening on 16,

you're going to know about it if you're anywhere on the back night, which is cool. It was, there was a big, big backup on the back nine today. And I'm, uh, if I had my notes, one of the slowest paces I've ever seen for a practice round. It was like, there was like eight guys on 14. Yes.

It just playing. There's like three groups just hanging out chipping, putt and Padrake Harrington's just hitting like a gabillion flop shots because this, it, it was, it was wild. I've never seen groups of four. It looked like a bunch of twosomes just started joining up. Yeah. And it just turned into a traffic jam. It was crazy.

Rob, I caught ROM on 14, um, as he's like, looking ahead to 15T, like looking at the backup just ahead of him. He's like, pays a place, going to be disaster. And this stretch of the golf course, he was already all worked up about, about that. He was, he was with, he was playing with Pooge and Bekibbon. He was in an all, all live group. It was a, it was a, the Legion was out in force today, Pete. That's the whole Legion, right?

Yeah, it was. I hadn't. It was just a couple groups back. So, okay. Uh, best guys, I saw Matt Fitzpatrick playing solo. hit some really flighty irons out there saw a couple of really good swings for Matthew Fitzpatrick got it if the wind blows like it did today again I'll be a very happy camper it was whipping out there so that was a ton of fun and it just does dege it doesn't

impact these guys like it impacts us man they're not they're not they're not worried about the wind like you and I were in England man yeah different they're a different breed well it's because there's no punishment there's no trees they don't have to worry about it they just just wail away on it out there man of note um the 13th hole as we as we noted um has a new drivable tea box um the option to move up the tea uh to one of them can report today rory did drive it about just about 30 yards short of the green short right of it and on hell iora who is playing with the young spaniard drove it up into the green side bunker uh there on 13 also can report that was not from the up tea uh that is from

the championship tea in the all all the way in the back corner of the property i was going to say I saw Brian Campbell hitting a couple from the up tea. It looked like he just barely rolled it up to the front bunker. The other two guys did that from the back tee. And so. Well, Salli, what was, was Iora the one with the Sevi? He was. He had the spirit of Sevi with him.

The bomb and gouge spirit of Sevi. This, is this news to me that Sevi has a clothing line? That would be news to me as well. He had Sevy, a Sevy, you know, on the back, on the yoke of his shirt, as you're seeing here on the video, and pants as well. He had sevy pants on as well. And as the sevy logo on his left chest as well. It does appear that there's, there's a sevy collection.

Oh, gosh. And I'm, I'm just, I'm taking a look at it here. They've got a website. He's getting work. They've got core values. Good stuff. The core values are authentic to golf. play with charisma

beat the past don't really know what that means and together is stronger okay couldn't agree more they were I overheard Rory and talking about I don't think he'd ever played with on hell before

and he was you know he just made a comment about like I I've been hearing about this golf swing I'm ready to see it and like hit it's a t-ball on 10 and as soon as he saw it so as soon as he hit it he was like yep all right that's the one we've been hearing

about and it was it was really cool like on that was very clearly like tickled to be playing in the group he was playing with um Shane lowry and podrick were in that group as well and it's dude did you get to one and 10 tt at all like did you i did know it's so awkward oh i mean literally we talked about this a little bit i i forget if we talk about it on monday i know i tweeted about it but one t and 10 t t overlap like they cross each other and 10 t like you there's nowhere for fans to get behind at all to watch the tea shots and tent the actual 10th tea is just free roaming area for fans out there and so i'm guessing they had the tea time separated out by five minutes like as far as front nine versus back nine but you there's just going to be guys

teeing from one box going two different directions so at certain times there was like eight nine ten players just standing on the tea box like with there was already a backup on 10 t of guys getting ready to tee off and uh yeah just a super weird crossover for a major championship to have a shared T-box between the first and 10th T. It is the first T-box that they're using. And there's people that can stand just left of the sign you can kind of see in the distance here in this image. You can stand there to watch people T-off on one.

And then when it's time for people to see off on 10, they clear that out. And then you just hit it right that way. It's really bizarre. I mean, is it a whole choke point, too? Is it really tough to get around that part of the? property. Yeah, a lot of, yeah, that's, that's a part that is, that looks quite challenging to get around. But yeah.

Otherwise, I mean, you know, not as, it's practice rounds. So I'll report back tomorrow, but not a ton of choke points otherwise. I think there'll be plenty of space to watch golf. Good viewing. It's good hills. So you can see down fairways and watch golf from a distance. I think the on-site experience will be good. Also, Dej, I forgot at the Ryder Cup, the food, uh, and beverages.

Yeah. It's free. Now, obviously, it's included in the price. You're right, T.C. I told myself not to say free, and I said free. Included in the price of the ticket. It is a pleasant experience, though, to walk in and get a couple of hot dogs and a rice crispy treat and not have to wait in line or pull out your wallet. Like, I know they're probably making that back in spades.

But it's not, I got to shout out the PG of America. It's a nice, it's a nice flow to the, um, uh, uh, a fan of it. areas. Let me put it that way. I feel like it ups everybody's mood. You know, like you're not like waiting lines. It's like, okay, it's already paid for. Great. I'm just going to go grab, you know, whatever. And anytime I need a water or a Pepsi, unfortunately it's Pepsi. You know, we'll go, we can go grab one. It's just they're cold. They're right there. It's great. I love it. Do you get something like you got yourself a couple little treats out there? I had a couple of rice, crispy treats, Italian sausage, a hot dog. I, I, I have a happy camper,

you know, I better fuel up before my, uh, journey home. I did not see a cheese steak. TC as always the merch tent is just massive they're spinning the hottest jams in there with the DJ so you know it's it a camera port it has been

successfully commercialized PC okay, fully realized yeah highlight of the day I'll say this I saw a guy kidded out in full Bryson Crusher's gear hat and shirt just I believe this football fan

soccer fans called full kit wanker going to the game and just a full get up. I was like damn man I was like I wanted to stop and ask them what are we part of the spot? It was not Bryson but it was you know like full was it Lahiri or something maybe

no it's just a random fan with a you know with a girlfriend I was like how about that get up? I did stumble up on Bryson's range session this was around one o'clock today and he had a guy if we had

the image, Cody. He had a guy filming him down the line, filming him face on, a guy with an iPad and another guy there, and his caddy. As he's going, he was hitting multiple different fairway woods and he was talking really quietly, but he was very clearly upset about something and just mumbling under his breath and just, you know, like just shaking his head at whatever the equipment was and then changing to the other one. He stepped away for a while. And the only thing I can make out that he said was like, I want to make myself very clear. And then went into like a long discussion about exact. I don't know what it was about.

I had my ear lent as far over as I could. But he was not, he was not being YouTube friendly Bryson to his staff as they were figuring out. And everything he was hitting was just rope hooks. The wind was off the right too. And he was in these rope hooks. And I'm like, ooh, that's ugly. And he walked, he turned and just looks at, well, the guys goes, that's the one. I was the one man

I don't I don't know about one we're worried about I know I kind of didn't like that maybe maybe I'll make myself very clear there's so many good things on that Monday to Wednesday that that you know it's great in the press room and it's great to hear the contenders and stuff but like some of those moments are just worth the worth the price of admission Sean Zock at golf.com had a great

piece we just walked around he spent the whole day I think he followed Dustin Johnson for a whole practice round and he just kind of wrote up his observations and he couched it with like a lot of throat clearing where he's like, look, this can always change. You never know. Wednesday is not Thursday. Tuesday's not Thursday. Yada, yada, yada.

But man, like Dustin Johnson just could not hit a driver. Like that's it's crazy. It's a great piece. He should go read it. But he's just like, he's like, he just couldn't do it. And then he's like tried to hit a three word. He couldn't hit that either. And it's just, it's just the weird stuff you see as these guys

are like trying to opt You know, before before these big tournaments is always a it's always fun. As any, uh, speaking of, of optimization, any, any notable sightings from the, the core bridge financial team. Blocky or. Blocky was playing a fraction with Bryson. He, I didn't see him. Really. Dynamic duo.

Just aura farming. Are we worried about the game growing too much? Might be. Uh, not so much contestants, but maybe part of the core bridge financial team, uh, JT's dad. and Cam Young's dad is to kind of bring your dad to work day. Sure. Those two were playing to practice around together. How do we need to see each other out there?

I saw you. I saw you inside the road. When you say hi? I did. I tried. You did totally big time. Okay. No,

I saw you on when Rory came through, what, 14, the part three. Yeah. I saw you walk around. No, I had a delightful day. Out among the people, you know? Had some great conversations. It was fun. I know this stuff can kind of just wash over you.

And I shouldn't watch Rory hit a bunch of balls in the range today. You know, 175 balls speed with three with no problem. driver in his hand. They got like all the all the trackman data up on the screen. And again, assuming that flat carry means just a normal normalized carry distance, he pulls out driver

is just cruising a few of them. Flat carry of 339 on one of the balls he hit. Apexing at like 163 feet while putting minimal effort in. I was kind of like, all right, are we going to see a little slower speed with the toenail that he ripped off apparently and that he's got going. It's like flat carry 339

on the range, not wind assisted. I'm assuming that's what that means was just like melting my brain of just I know we see these numbers all the time, but just to see that, you know, without roll, without any wind, without elevation, without, you know, altitude, anything. And he just just flat carrying it 339. It's like, what the fuck he's supposed to do about that? Yeah. How, uh, it was not a blister. It was a toenail. Well, it's like a blister on the toenail or under the toenail. Yeah. That's, that's, that's off. It seems like it was impacting him this afternoon, though.

No, he looked, he pulled, it came off the golf course yesterday. If you didn't see this, only played like three practice round holes yesterday, I think, because of the blister, then went home, took the toenail off, removed his toenail, basically. As soon as it taped up, went to a wider and bigger shoe. Better toebox, these. That's right. And he said it, it felt fine. And he looked totally fine.

And I, he, yeah, he showed no signs of, of any limp or anything from the few holes that I watched them. Did you get an update on Speeth's Tobox? That was an issue last week as well. DJ. What are we doing, man? No, no, no, no, no. That doesn't count. Yeah, we're not saying it all week.

No, we're not saying it in reference to like winning. He's still a person. No. You missed this from last night from the show. We're going to be calling him the experience this week. Oh, okay. Yeah, I like that. And we're not going to say the name.

No update on the Toebox. No, I don't know anything about the Toebox. All right. But, yeah, where do you want to go? I got somewhere I want to go next. And it's not rollback. It's Roeback, all right? Spring.

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video from Rory's press or Cody. Why don't we dial that up? Cody, can you hear us and can you dial up from Roaring video. Cody does not have headphones. I'm not sure if it's going to test all aspects of your bag. There's going to be a lot of, you know, again, as I said, strategy off the T is pretty non-existent. You know, it's basically bash driver down there and then figure it out from there, which I think

is a lot of these like newer, newly renovated, you know, like I think about Oak Hill in in 2023. here, you know, when these traditional golf courses take a lot of trees out, it, yeah, it makes strategy not as much of a concern off the tea. And then, but the greens are, you know, as I said at the start, the greens are the main focus this week. And I think getting yourself in the right sections of the greens, making sure you'll leave yourself blow the hole for the most part, you know, that's the, you know, that's the key

this week. a lot packed in there between the trees, the driver stuff, the greens. Sawd, where do you want to take that? What sticks out to you? It is not a great thing. I think for a player

of Rory's caliber to just say that the strategy off the T is basically non-existent. Not that he said it. Like I appreciate Rory's being open and saying that. I think from a where's the game currently situation? I just think that's not a great thing. Happening the game I love.

strategy off the tea, I think is one of the most interesting things that come with golf. And just to hear him say out loud, just hit driver as far as you can and figure it out from there is not great. The tree thing is one of the things that I feel like is the easiest to get really bogged down in the setup discussion. If you listen to anyone involved with golf course maintenance, golf course design, they'll give you the exact reasons as to why. trees can be bad for golf courses, why they don't stop growing, they overgrow, they're bad for turf, they take up all the nutrients from the turf. There's just a ton of reasons that say that, you know, especially a Donald Ross golf course like this was not originally designed to have tree-line fareways.

And even if you go back and look at aerials from pre-hance restoration, it wasn't like a tree-line golf course. There was tree, there's more trees out there than you currently have, but it was not a heavily treeed golf course. It's not like Hilton Head. So we butt up against what we butt up with a lot of the rollback conversation of, you know, yeah, Xander referenced trees as well. And JT has talked about trees and how that introduces strategy and introduces a lot more risk and reward off the tea. But then we just end up in the spot where we're talking about two totally different things between the professional game and the amateur game and an event that is we're having one major championship here.

The rest of it is just going to be member play at Aronimic. And unless we're going to go out and out and build it. championship golf courses that only the pros are going to play. There's always going to be a crossover between these two things. And it's not a solution to like tree line golf courses to address how far the golf ball is going. Is as succinct as I can be on a topic that probably requires a 30 to 45 minute discussion. Can I ask from 2018, do you remember? Because it sounds like they've taken trees out since the BMW was here.

Is that true? I haven't noticed that to be. Because I was going to say, like, are there specific trees that were strategic before? You know, to Roy's point, most of the tree removal was pre-bri-in-A-Ber. 2017, I think, was the big, yep, the big restoration. I mean, I didn't, I think, to say that strategy non-exist in off the tea, I think is a stretch. I will meet Rory in the middle on, on, I think there's a happy medium with trees. I like less tree, like strategic trees.

Like, I don't want to get rid of all trees. But so on certain holes, I think it can definitely introduce strategy. But I don't think that's like, let's just tree line fareways to limit people hitting driver. I don't think that's a good solution to our strategy off the tea discussion here. Sully, what about the birds? Where do the birds live out there if there's no trees? That's why I saw that like to have them all down. Yeah.

I couldn't even bring myself to speak on that topic, T.C. I do I think he's he's on to the the key crux of the matter like again for me sitting in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, watching this tournament on TV. What's going to be more interesting to me like the driver or the greens, it's the greens, right? Like the whole golf course feels like it does flow backwards. From there, there's a lot of great stuff this week kind of diving into that and what they can do if, again, if, if, if, if you get firmness, if you get wind. It can be really, like, it's one of the most dramatic sets of greens in the country. It can be really great for pro golf. It's just, you know, a matter of, like, pulling the slot machine and hoping that the right

conditions kind of pop up. So I think uneven lies, I would say, was something I noticed out there. I think you guys talked about on the preview a little bit, but like Cam Young hit just a seed down the fairway, like, 40, 30, 40 yards from the green. And he had a funky, like, balls above his feet. he's kind of like left foot's below his right foot has to hit this I don't know like weird shot out of the rough and control his spin like I don't know if that's coming through on TV but in person I was like I cannot wait to watch what he does with this ball you know like I got to

I got to I got to so even with driver you might end up with some some funky if you just are if you're just going to bomb it and forget about it these guys are good enough to obviously cam hit like 10 feet but it's it still was interesting to me what was on seven seven yeah yeah That one, he hit it. I don't know if I was up by the green for that one. Like that was a, I think there is going to be some consequence to some of this, right? I watched both of those T shots. JT cut the corner a little bit better on seven than Cam Young did.

And Cam fell down into the rough. So seven's a dog leg right part, a pretty hard turning par four to the right. And gravity is going to just going to pull you to the left. It's going to be kind of a hard fair way to hit. A lot of balls are going to end up in the left rough there. But JT had a really nice cut and hit the middle of the fairway. it was able to spin a wedge pretty easily into the green there because it was a little helping win there. And Cam could not stop the ball as easily as JT obviously could from the rough.

So again, it's not like a Beth paid situation where there's an advantage to being in the rough versus the fairway. Like we're definitely not at that level of the dart conversation. But it is, just the effects of that are just not going to be really big when you have this many wedges. Like it was still going to be hard. This is where the pins, and I'm ready for this pin sheet. come out. The whole locations are going to be super interesting because there are little knobs, little crevices you can put it in and like the sixth hole is another short for JT drove it up 40 yards short of the green probably. And they were all practicing to a whole location that was over

a big ridge on the front left part of that green that was like, dude, yeah, that's going to be a hard one to get after. Like it's, even if you drive it close, that green, it's going to be really hard to get close to make a birdie. Pars will be quite easy here, but it's not going to be a gimmee birdie. So it's, the setup, they have a chance with the setup here to make it not be. And the over under is only like 13 and a half under par for the winning score, which I thought would have been like 16 and a half to be honest. Good green.

It's a big, big boy, par three is on number eight, 242 down the hill, wins whipping. I mean, these guys all put it like right just on the front edge, but it's still for me watching in person, like fun shots to watch that are like, that's why they're pros. I don't know. Because this is a course, sometimes I've come to these tournaments like, man, I don't know. This course looks really hard. I don't know if I want to play. This one I'm like,

I can look like this looks like a really fun golf course to play. So I don't know. I find that a little like relatable in a way to see them play a course that I would be fired up to play. And then yeah, then watch them chew it up is unrelatable, Dej. It is. And the greens like again,

going back to the greens like in those little sections you guys are talking about, this is way too in the weeds probably. And again, this isn't going to come through on my couch in Milwaukee probably. But as you talk about those, some of those part threes. Again, reading Shackleford's newsletter and some other stuff this week, it's almost like the part three's are the things that you can, you can stretch out like crazy and you can stretch out to 210, 220, 20, 2, 30, 240. Whereas some of those part fours, it's like,

well, yeah, you're supposed to be hitting a five iron into those little pockets. Whereas the par three is you're probably, you know what I mean? Like, I could see how to try to keep up, you end up just like kind of jarring things out of scale where, you know, instead these guys are hitting wedges into the places where they're supposed to hit five irons because there's just no more room. And then you're taking some of these par threes and you're just stretching them into oblivion to try to make up yardage and protect stuff. And it just, I can see that being another place where some of this gets bumpy. But again, it's like we're really, the best thing we're hoping for is kind of just a good leaderboard

on Sunday afternoon. And I think we'll get it even through all of this stuff. Like there really is not midiron play on this call course. I mean, five is 171 yards on the card that, you know, I don't even know. if that would technically count as a midiron. I think that's probably closer to a short iron for most of these guys. And the other part threes are all going to be longer irons. And almost none of the par fours are going to.

I was reading the data golf blog. They were talking about Bryson was hitting a bunch of eight irons on the range. And they're like, I don't know what hole he's hitting eight irons on. Which he won't need. Yeah. Yeah. I was reading that too. Technically, if Bryson's working on a specific club, it does like, it's the same length as

his other. That could have been him working on his wedges. Yeah. He was saying driving irons too. And I'm like, dude, what hole are you? you hitting driving iron on this course like brice needs like seven clubs for this course i think let me play this this there's another good bite from scottie here uh scotty rules i i'm continue to be in on scottie's pressers what of expectations do you have um at a pga

championship not not your expectations but what what kind of expectations of the test that the pga presents like how would that differ for example from from the u.s open the other course that rotates quite a bit? I mean, I think a lot of it depends on the golf course. A lot of it depends on the conditions. Because if you look at this golf course specifically, between it being soft and firm, I think it's two totally different tests. Like if you're looking at this golf course when it's soft,

I think there's a lot of stuff you can kind of get away with in terms of like you can hit it pretty far offline. There's not many things to block you. And if you hit it really far offline when there's no trees, you can just get to the crowd and then you have a cleaner lie than if you're, you know, a yard or two off the fairway. And then with soft greens, you're able to play a pretty simple strategy of golf where you can kind of play that sort of bomb-and-gouge type strategy.

And that's probably what works best because we have greens that have a ton of pitch back to front and they're really soft. It's also easier to take off spin when you're in the rough. And so the reward for hitting the fairway is not that great. But if you look at this golf course when it's firm, the fairways are hard to hit. And then if you're going to want to get the ball close to a lot of these pins, you're going to be able to control your spin and control your distance really well. which is not that easy to do out of the rough.

It's easy to take off spin, but it's not easy to control the spin, if that makes sense. And so there are certain spots on this golf course where I think you get really challenging if it's firm and fast. And a lot of it just depends on conditions and golf course setup. If they decide to water the greens, it's going to be a completely different setup than it is if the greens are quite firm. So a lot of it is golf course dependent. I wouldn't say it's necessarily major dependent just because I think most golf courses are trying to make it as hard as possible these days. It's just kind of like the the explanation that I feel like we try, we come into all these majors with. You know, it's better than I ever could. You know, he had some good stuff too. I know he's been a little, a little snippy with, with media recently. And he was kind of saying, he's like, man, when we're in like a setting like this, it's very easy for me to just like sit, think about what I'm trying to say and, and give a good answer and think as hard as I can to give the best answer, most honest answer possible. And I don't know if he quite got there, but I think,

think what he was implying is like it's a little hard to like walk off the 18th green and be like, how do you think they should fold the live guys back in? He's just like, I'm like, what, dude? I'm just, I just got done with like five hours of mental, you know, mental stress on the golf course. Like, I'm not talking about that right now. So I just, I was a little short with you a couple weeks ago. All right.

Yeah. So I just, I want to celebrate that because I think that's a very fair, very fair place to be. Yeah. No, I think it. Yeah. He described it well, and he's getting up to it. I don't think we're at risk where the golf course is sitting now. They're going to dump a bunch of water on it.

I think they know it. There's water scheduled to come, one, and two, they know that this is the only chance they have is to, I don't want to say push this thing as hard as it can, but they know those greens have to be as firm as possible for this to be even remotely, remotely interesting. A lot of chatter about that weather report tonight, Dej. No, we need it. we need it i also am and this is my interpretation not scottie's uh intent necessarily but man i hope some of those comments are a little shot at uh augusta as well yes that was my first thought too and also a warning shot at at carry hague yeah well if they want to be bitches and take it out of

my hands then they're welcome to do that but exactly yeah uh yeah that was i don't know that's good it's the more you see this the more it's like you start getting the whole check box going of like, all right, you need to hit your driver this far. You need to be accurate with the driver if the conditions are right. But also if the conditions are right, like you still just got to hit it far. Small sections on greens. Got to be a good lag putter. Got to be, I'm like, the wind might blow. I'm like, God, it's feeling more and more like a Scotty week to me. But I suppose we'll get there. And I think this week, there's not as much like institutional knowledge required. Yeah. So either. I do think it's that levels the playing field a little bit versus going back to

a place that, you know, the veterans have seen one, two, three times prior or, you know, every year. So I think that that may level the playing field a tad and just, you know, let me put it. And the knock on Scotty is he's never always struggled to win his first time seeing a place. So, you know, watch this space. Uh, of the important, rush. Of course. Give me the, what, what's the case for like why it's not Rory Scottie Kam Young versus the field this week. Because Ludwig wins.

I'm sure. Ludwig. What did you say? I'm not going to fluff him, but I think he could win. I mean, just going off of Sally's data, I think he's like the second or 30. Oh, now we want the day. Yeah, over the last 20, 20 rounds or so. So, no, I'm just throwing your data right back in your face, you know, that's. What is the data? What was this data?

We don't even need to, I think it's just overall strokes gained over the last 20 rounds. He's like neck and neck with. Of course I'm going to audit this. I will say what does jump off the page is if there's a ton of shots between 100 and 150 yards. Of all the biggest name guys out there, Ludwig does get the biggest boost from that, from that area. Boost it. Boost it. I will find this data.

Sorry. I got it right here. To your question you just asked, like not to say this turns into like an Amex, but does it turn it, does it turn into like a guy, somebody's hot with the putter because it's a dart fest with. shots from 100 to 150 does that take some of the I was looking at Fandul Dej about Big Guns versus the field and it was whatever the four lowest odds guys are it's still plus odds with like Rory Scottie Cam

Bryce or Rom I think were the top four odds guys it's still plus odds on them to win versus the field and I think that like that might be different on a longer golf course or a golf course with more midiron play or just a more stern test because I do think that everyone is not literally everyone, but a lot more guys are in play this week than on a normal week, I would say. Solly, the stat was strokes game leaders last 20 rounds played going into the PGA championship. Scotty has been displaced by Cam Young 3.2, Scotty 2.8, Ludwig 2.6, Rory 2.6.

John, Ryan, is in the same way. There you have it, T.C. Yeah. Rob, 2.4. I'm told he's a dude. Dude samples are you still worried about about can't lay? I'm not worried. No, no, no.

I'm not worried about can't lay. I was just trying to under, you know, do my due diligence and like my job to say, like, he is playing good golf. It's a course that, you know, I just, I could see Patrick Cantlay, PGA champion at Aronimink. I just, it's not a torn. It's not a can't lay warning, T.C. But it's a can't lay watch.

It's a warm. view venue. It just feels like a can't lay spot. Doesn't it? It's just a conditions are, conditions are, we haven't spotted a can't let, but conditions. Jimmy, Jimmy Walker ish. You know, it missed opportunity. You know, we got the Corbridge financial guys. We could have had a carried interest pairing with, uh, you got Xander out there with the blue owl private credit logo. You got Tommy now with Blackstone and then throw, throw can't lay in there. Just, just make all the, the PE guys happy. Just the carried interest trio.

Get your, get, get your cash, baby. Let's Let's go. Guys, how was the, substantial pairing, Dej. How was the champions dinner? I always get such a big kick out of the champions dinner. Had they always had, like they have Stewart's Sink is at the champions dinner and the PGA section champ as well.

Is that always been the case? Yes. Why is he one of senior? Oh, because he went the senior PGA. Yeah. Have they always done that? Has it always been like.

Rory just straight up skipped? They might have, they might have low turnout. So they're opening it up to the senior PGA. Let's get some other guys in the room. get some extra food you got a good venue this year i don't want this to go to waste it is tough man i hate i don't know i a lot of people build their whole year around this tournament i i get it but it's the it's tough when zander's talking about like yeah i don't even remember when i served for my

champion's dinner it's like two years ago and it's uh it's just yeah man it's it's not quite the same not quite the same thing i think that there's a lot of questions i kind of was just reading the transcript I've done Terry Clark meeting with the media. And I don't know. I think the PGA identity stuff is going to continue to. I don't think you can like sweep some of that stuff under the rug. There's been a lot of, they're certainly going to try.

They're certainly going to try. That's what I was going to say. There's been a lot of trying of just like, no, no, no, I think it's great. There was the thing Keegan had a quote, you know, and again,

these guys are like being put on the spot to come up with the answers of these questions. But it's like, what makes the PGA, the PGA? And his answer is basically like, yeah, it's great because like there's no identity.

And it just kind of like goes around. and you never know what it's going to be or who's going to win. I'm like, I don't think that's what that word means. Keegan's transcript ruled this week. What were some other islands in there? Curious, what it's like? You go to the champions dinner.

What's that like the gathering when you're at that thing? Keegan, it's the most spectacular day of my peak golf year. Sometimes because we're busy, we're so focused on competing and getting better, you sort of forget some of the accomplishments you made in your career. When I go to the champions dinner, I am overwhelmed with emotion is to be in the room with these people

and the way the PGA of America has done it since COVID just been the players and we've been able to really hang out. Tell stories, you know, here's stories from Larry Nelson, stories from Patrick Harrington, just a great night. How about that?

This is after Keygen's page. Yeah, that's great. Hey, I'm not a huge Keegan guy. I'm not going to make fun of that. No, that's wonderful. You get a couple strays at Mito Pereira. You know, I'm sure. I'm sure it helps Keegan get over the

rider cup as well he spent 15 minutes in his press conference talking about you know getting over the rider cup and if he wants to qualify for another rider cup I will let me put it I'm gonna not give him a pass on the rider cup he continues to be asked about it though so like it's

I don't think he's bringing that stuff up like let me opening remarks guys I'm really upset about the rider yeah it's like hey they're fucking chum in the waters do you see like he's getting asked that he doesn't have to like play ball with it though also does he can also take responsibility for it instead of just acting

like it was some force of nature that overtook his team, some act of God that caused the U.S. to lose on home soil. Couldn't have happened. Forgeurs, if we get out of these contracts. Yeah. One way to maybe get past the grief of this is some acceptance

and some acknowledgement of how we got here. Like that would maybe help you get over this and unpack the fucking suitcase. Well, God, speaking of that, I don't want to catch you on your back foot. Did you see your guy Jim in the press in the press room? I read a little bit about it. Jim Fierich was doing his

Ryder Cup press conference today. Some good stuff. You know, it's all words. It's all words in a press conference, words on a transcript at the moment. But I mean, it's a lot of what you,

what you'd want to hear. Exactly what you need to hear. Like, yes, we need to fix this. Yeah. They acknowledge the problem, which is a step. Like,

well, I read about this too. I think they've acknowledged that there is a problem. Have they acknowledged what the problem is? No. And that's where I was going next. We got to play better at force them.

You got to play better and force them. Tell me you guys. We got to make more putts. Like how they're actually going to execute on that with the same group of people remains to be seen, but at least, at least like saying out loud. Like, yeah, I mean, Keegan hadn't been part of a Rider Cup for 10 years. We made him captain. That was maybe a mistake.

William said that today. I mean, I'm paraphrasing that, but he acknowledged, like, yeah, they'd gone away from the task force. Continuity was the theme of it, which they'd already agreed to do. Tiger was not, and they kept Nick in references to, like, you know, the Tiger had vacated the potential captaincy and they didn't know what to do. Like, well, Tiger wouldn't have been continuity either. Like, he wasn't there in 2021 or in 2023.

That's what I was saying, T.C. I totally agree. God, T.C., they need to come up with a, like an acronym, like, like cuts or something. You know, continuity, unity, teamwork. scheme, you know, like something stupid that we can, we can, like the, like all the football coach. Yeah. Puts. Puts.

Pressure. Unity. Yeah. Something I can rally around. Come on. Yeah. I look, again, it, you, like, listen to Jim, talk about it. You read about it.

And you do it. You must respect his dedication to, like, wanting to get this turned around. And, and wanting to be involved. And he, like, talk. about you know, I didn't, I didn't lobby for it, but I was hoping the call would come and it did. And he's talked a lot about making more connectivity between the President's Cup and the Ryder Cup, which we've been asking for for quite some time as well. I don't know how that doesn't happen. That seems like the easiest thing in all this to do.

Brandt's synthetic are on the team. Totally. Yeah. And so. For that, you tip your cap to him, and I sincerely hope he figures it out. And that doesn't, that doesn't mean win in 27 necessarily, but I think it, like even if you lose in 27 you could make a step back towards a better process to not losing embarrassingly on home soil i think he's uh seems like a pretty humble dude and getting a second chance at something is can a lot of times be a you know a huge win for somebody like if he's yeah like willing to be open to let's get some new voices in the room let's let's try some new stuff let's i don't know okay he didn't get new voices

in the room that's no that is great in theory deal I didn't hear the press conference. Well, Justin Litter and Seward Sink of the assistant captain's name so far. Stewart Sinks at the, he's at the champions dinner. He's probably deleted some insight there for a one. Continuity, man. Continuity. I think Stu Sink, uh,

Stu Sink and LD are playing together this week. I love it. So, you know, he could, he could maybe steal some ideas there. Uh, I could see the, um, I could see Europe trying to go really young for this Rider Cup as well. like angel iora get them on the team right and and you know try to is it angel or on hell i keep assuming it's on hell but maybe it is angel maybe it's angel i don't know i was just reading it phonetically

um i welcome my role you guys are all savvy maybe we'll just call them sevi sevi iora sevi iore but i don't know i could see them trying to go go super young and just you know kind of like maybe maybe l d and stew sing need to need to play for a point this week sure I think we got time to break down a dare manner in the future, if we'll get there. But at least, at least, I'm not just talking about a dare manner. I'm talking about 10, 15 years out, Sally. He's like the pit. He looks at these things in decades.

Exactly. This is business to TC. At least, I will say this, like, it's nice. It's very clear. Like, Jim has a ton of pride about this and is going to put his, you know, reputation on the line. And the best players in the world choose equipment. can trust when everything's on the line. That's why Golf Pride grips have been a part of more major championship wins than any other grip brand with over 80% of tour pros choosing to play

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I think that was that that's that's what I'll say about that. Only play for you, Coach Keegan. I only play for myself. That's right. Double wrap underneath that pride. Uh, should we talk with Cam, what do you want? Let's, let's do, let's talk Cam Young before we get there. And then we'll get into, we'll start.

We want to save rollback. That's going to lead to rollback. We want to save that for the, for the end or. dessert. Yeah. Uh, no, because then we're going to get into picks and, and T times and all that administrative stuff. I think we're just talking new. I think we're talking news of the week still.

And I think that might be like the news of the week or among the news of the week, at least, uh, from where I'm sitting. This came out. yesterday, I think from Golf Channel, Rex Hoggard, reporting that Cameron Young's golf ball that he's been using since last year at the Wyndham that we've talked about a ton. We talked about a ton in the preview. It changed like really led to a sea change in his golf game. There's a report that it would potentially be confirming under the new rollback rules, meaning like the way that they're looking to change how they're testing golf balls for the upcoming rollback.

this golf ball that Cam Young is using would potentially conform underneath those rules which I think led to a lot of people maybe getting to the point we were talking about on Sunday TC which is like chapter one of this conversation is should we roll back the ball or not? What say you? Chapter three

of this conversation is like okay here's the rule that they're rolling out. Does this particular rule make sense? She's like the Rider Cup team. Have we identified the problem? Yes. Is this the proper solution? I think there's been a lot of people talking past each other like when the tour players come out and say, yo, yo, yo, I think what we're seeing is maybe not what people are trying to see.

Some of them saying that much more condescending and abrasively than others. I think what they're talking about is stuff like what we... This kind of feels like the first... I don't know what the turn of phrase I'm looking for. Like the first kind of like... Post. the first landmark on like, oh, this is what the potential problem is, if all of this, you know,

seems to be true on on Cam Young. So he was, he was asked about this in his press conference today, I believe. So here's a snippet of that. I put it in play the same reason that everybody else plays the ball that they play. You know, I, I hit it during a ball test, one of titleless facilities probably close to two years ago and didn't know anything about it. And, you know, kind of just said, hey, what's that one? Because I like the flight. And, you know, as things progressed, I was able to test it last year at Windham, ended up putting in play, and it's been there since.

You know, obviously there is no conforming list, and I wasn't aware that it would have, you know, I suppose I read something that said it passed that test. but I wasn't aware of that until very recently. So at no point was that a consideration. It was just really me, you know, trying to optimize my golf. And it's the ball that seems to work the best for me. Did you compare to other balls you've tested, was there a noticeable distance loss with it?

Not particularly. I mean, it's, I don't think any of us are really out here playing the ball that goes the farthest. You know, I think you'd struggle to find a single person that's doing that. So, you know, we're all sacrificing some amount of distance for other things that we feel are worth it. You know, control with irons, control with wedges. For me, that's the biggest thing is being able to control spin. And this is the ball that does that the best for me. The Shaq is getting involved.

Shack, Shaq run on this. Off the top, though, it's like, hey, what's that one? It's like, that's yellow cake

over there. Like two years ago, I just, it's like, yeah, the double-dge, laying over there. Hey,

what's that one? What's that ball? What's that ball? Check it out, Cam. Why don't you try it? What's this? What's this to?

Again, just clarifying all the language around this and what is happening and what came out today, I guess, is, or yesterday, that there is going to be, it's looking like it's going to be announced

that's rolling back, to 2030, a world where there's a new testing standard in play for golf balls in which golf balls will be tested at a higher speed, different launch, different spin rate than they are currently being tested at, and the ball's not allowed to travel more than 317 yards. So in theory, on paper, you look at this and say, all right, we're now testing at 125 mile an hour swing speed versus 120, and the ball still can't go the same distance. It's 317 plus or minus three yards of tolerance. there basically is saying that on paper that would say the golf ball is not going to go as far like that's that's the golf ball will be rolled back this is all tested on robots uh kind of what we have been hinting at and discussing and and been insinuating and have been hearing from a lot of people is that when the humans hit this the human element getting added in here of being able to tweak a lot of other things to optimize your launch optimize your spin and i don't know the literal actual things that they're doing to i i say circumventing

this test, but that is, you know, they're not, that sounds shady when you say that, but really, you're able to, players have shown the ability privately to get a, to get distance back relatively easily and there's not been a flat distance tax being paid under the new, uh, testing standard, right? You can, you could, um, players, especially that are not currently optimized under their, their setting, have the ability to probably hit it just as far, uh, as Cam is evidencing. Specifically high spin players. Specifically high spin players.

I launch high spin players. High launch, highest spin guy you're going to find. So he can put a ball in this double dot golf ball would technically pass the test of being swung at 125 miles an hour at blah, blah, blah, blah.

Launch and blah blah, blah, blah, spin. Would pass that future test. And obviously would pass the current one, which is slower. And he's not hitting it any distance shorter is what we have been saying of, is this rule how it's written, the best way to address the golf ball going far

and why we've been quite suspect of the way it's written is like, yeah, there's other data out there that supports this that say like, this might make the problem worse. So it's put us in an awkward spot where it's like we're pro wanting to do something about distance and golf. I think this, even if this rule worked as the way they intended, it still wouldn't address the majority of the problem, in my opinion of what I think needs to be done.

but if it addresses almost none of it or makes the problem worse, then we are potentially headed towards somewhat of a disaster, I would say. And I don't know how things go through as planned as they're currently written because they're going to spend a ton of political capital and it's not going to have the impact that they were maybe at one point hoping. And it's going to be, it could be a complete disaster if we're being honest. Yeah. I think that bottom lines it.

It's, yeah. This is just the first mile marker on that road. And I think that's kind of what I was trying to say on Sunday on the pod too is like, for the last three years where we've been talking about this, you're in a weird spot where you're like, no, something needs to be done,

guys. Distance is a problem. Yeah. Like everything is out of whack and players are hitting the ball too far. Not according to the people in my replies. Sure. Having said that, TC. It's kind of where it becomes like, you start to get the very loud voices early that are like,

this isn't going to do what you think it is, yada, yada, yada. And I'm like, well, shit, man, I don't know. I'm not a rocket scientist on this. Like, I don't know how it's supposed to work. You got to just kind of trust the people who are in charge of making the rule. And if this is the outcome that ends up coming from all of this stuff, then like you said, I think you only get one bite at this. You know, I don't think you roll it back in 2030 and then you do it again in 2030.

32 because that one didn't work. And then you do the driver two years later. Yeah, exactly. It just feels like it's, I don't know, just kind of let's air out of the balloon for those of us that are hoping to see meaningful change, I guess. And it's at the same time, it's like you don't want to have a bad rule just to do something. So it's just, I don't know. Again, we don't have to spend an hour talking about today. I know it's PJ Championship, but it is a meaningful story that I think people are going

continue to come back to over and over and over as they already did. Cam hit the ball 375 yards on the 18th hole at at the player's championship on sea level when it mattered the most. I mean, it was just like if that's where we're headed in in 2030, I know that's an outlier situation, but it's just, this is a big flashing red lights like a big deal. It's an outlier situation, but it's also, and again, we'll pull the name Russell Henley, and I don't know this to be true from

Russell Henley's testing, but like Russell Henley's profile is going to pay a driving distance tax, in theory, based on like what we've heard of not being high launch, high spin, like what the desired effect of the test is going to hurt Russ Henley and not hurt Cam Young. Then it's just going to, like, it's just going to like increase the, the chase for distance more than ever. And that's, that's, again, that that's where like the, the romantic version of a rollback that is harder to right than we would, you know, say out loud here is going to involve a lot more about the balance of risk reward of hitting it far. And this rule was never designed to address that, which is why my stance, it's pretty consistent with a lot of your stances is like, this is still a good first step,

like still think a good, well-struck drive shouldn't travel as far as it does is a part of the equation. But I think the bigger part of that puzzle is other factors that weren't even going to be addressed with this single rule. But if you screw this up, the hope. for addressing the rest of it becomes a lot lower i think i think the pga or the uh the uh the uh usGA needs to hire hire some baller-ass engineers like hire one of the guys that's doing the doing the d on the ball side like hey come on come on over to our side and help us reverse engineer this stuff just grow the rough up guys that's that's oh i think i i'm going back to the the simplest answer. Let's just let's talk about the teas, man. Let's get rid of the teas,

Dej. I was thinking about that today. T Tuesday. No T Tuesday. I'm thinking about baseball a little bit. It's like, well, it kind of came down baseball struggle. What if we just introduce a pitch clock? Yeah, like what have we? They also mess with the ball. They, they simple is good here. Tennis messes with the ball, uh, swimming outlawed the suits. It's like other sports like govern and regulate themselves. Why is golf in case? I mean, NFL changes the rules all the time. And listen, I know then, like, all they'll make different clubs that you can hit off the ground further, but it's

like, okay, like maybe, but maybe that gives you, maybe that buys you some time. I'm like, hey, guys, check it out. 2030, you can't tee the ball up. We're playing with 280cc drivers. Local rule. Yeah, yeah. No, no, not, nope, don't mess with any of the equipment just because then that's

when it gets political and it turns into a bifurcation and unification. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, no, no, it's the, you know, I hope, sorry to the T lobby out there and put them on down slopes you know yeah sharing degrees of down now you're now you're belittling my take i'm not oh i think it's a good take like just i mean maybe just don't let him hit up on it as much by the way neil up gap dge that's what i'm talking about like mil did you see that usGA tweet today that uh randy sent it through a little bit ago if you're ball like if you're

teed up in the teeing area and you hit the ball off a tree and it comes back and it lands and stays in the teeing area You can tee up your next shot. Really? Yeah. It's incredible. Pod popping. Put that one on the list for my guy, Jay.

I also would just, just while we're shouting at ideas, face explosion is the other thing that we... Face collapse. Face collapse is something that feels like it's lost momentum, but we need to bring back. That was a... Come on.

Come on. The idea was face collapse. No, I think the T idea is... Oh, literally my platform. I'm totally with you. Model local rule. if you're playing in a PJ tour section event you can't use a T. That's the whole thing, right?

Like we're talking about the 31,000, the club pros. Are they going to enforce all these rules? Like, well, yeah, I don't know. If you're playing an elite event, you can't use a T. You can't use a T. Can you make a grass tea? It's pretty simple, right? It's like, that's it. Yeah, you can make a grass tea. That's fine.

What about one of those little thing boxes that they used to play? You can make a dirt T. Maybe the dirt T's come back. I don't know. The dirt T. I don't know. Just don't think you can have like a forage tea that you're hitting up on it like crazy. I don't know.

Let's move on. I can see the RNA getting down with that. I agree. Or Ridley. Failure's not an option, man. Yeah. Was that the quote? And I am left to like think back on like Ridley.

Like Ridley's presser and the the strong endorsement this past year for this rule. I'm looking at that through a different lens now of like, you know, what what's the communication like between USGA RNA and Augusta? Like if if the USGA and RNA knew some of this information, which I believe. has been provided to them and the PJ tour has told them this. I know equipment companies have told them like here's what we're seeing and testing. And like,

I don't know if Ridley going back would like give us strong of a, of an endorsement of the rollback if he, if it was going to maybe come out like this. Just something to. Well, I think that's the hard part like the chapter one, chapter three thing is like,

obviously he's a very smart guy and very plugged into these conversations and knows all of what's going on here. But it was almost like the conversation he was having was like, step one of the conversation. Like, we should make it spin more. We should make it do this. We should bring back shopmaking. It's like, yeah, man, sick. All that sounds great. But like, that's not what's being discussed at all. And that's where I'm like, I don't know quite how, I don't know what the capacity is now to put the genie back in the bottle and be like, okay, let's go back to the drawing board on this whole, this whole thing. And, and, you know, bring back shop making. I'm like, I kind of seem like longer and straighter. The whole process doesn't feel like it's been a model of alignment amongst the various parties and stakeholders. And I think, too, it's like it does seem like, you know, everybody just kind of put it off to the side. And the USDA kept working on it. And then they were like, all right, cool.

Like the review period's over. Like you guys had your chance to comment here. Also. Nobody did. Yeah. Well, I think, yeah, I think the beef is, there was a comment period. they commented, but like the comment period didn't include the actual like testing standard. And then they were like, you know, when given feedback of like what that on that testing standard being a problem, they're like, oh, I'm up too late.

We've already set the testing standard. Like that's kind of where some of the miscommunication has come in. But anyway, let's get back to the golf. Let's get back to the, the, the 2026 PGA. Enjoy the golf, everybody. Stick to the golf guys, would you? Hey, did you guys? Did you guys?

out there today? Yes. Yes. She had like some boots on some of all black fit boots just platinum hair. Your ass. Your queen, TC. Yeah, she was getting deep in her yardage book. Yeah. She was absolutely stunting in the middle of 12 Fairway here. Makes it, you know, again, Kester Crane is in shorts and short sleeves and she's in a black puff jacket standing right next to each other. It was like a munkler jacket. It was not necessary to have been that but she was stunting hard you know it rules it's about the fit here a lot more than

it is about comfort and I gotta say she was pulling off the look for sure yeah reed paired with Emiliano grillo and Pearson cooty that feels unbecoming for a great man like Patrick Reed meanwhile Blocky gets with DJ yeah and you know

Blockie gets a premier pairing and you know DJ and Rasmus Hoygard TC you're in you're in on Blockie though Yeah, remember T.C. We're in on blocking. Why are you doing that? Come on.

Yeah, we've been getting... Yeah, I forgot it. A lot of, a lot of blocky stuff. Ah, wow, yeah, yeah, on the ground today. A lot of blocky stuff on the ground. Any other tea time sticking out to you guys? Neil, our guy, Harry Hall, our guy Harry Hall's teed off at 6.56 a.m.

That's another side of disrespect. Yeah. I'll tell you who I would watch. Akshay, Ricky Castillo, and Michael Thorpe Bjoranson. I think this is a good, good golf course from Michael Thorpe Ewingson. Seems like it. Yeah.

I would watch that one. Also, Ache, we talked about it on Monday, but just forgotten, man. Would love to, golf was, golf was fun there around, you know, end of that West Coast swing, Bay Hill. Like, I'm, I'm in on watching Akshay every week. I just feel like he's been MIA. Same with kind of Bridgman. Yeah.

It's kind of evaporated, too. He's been bad. Guys, the 143 off of one. Real quick, though, T.C. Bridgman is another guy that jumps off the page on the 100 to 150 stat of that being an absolute strength for him. And this golf course, the bins are in the Bridgman favor here coming to this week. Just pointing that out. Who's on the reverse? Who's going to get binned? Bryson.

Bryson getting binned. And like compared to his other skill areas, Scotty a little bit is taking a bit. I mean, he's not a bad player from 100 to 150, but like he makes up his ground from farther away, usually. Um, I think the 143 starting time off of whole one. Chris Goderup, big shot Bob McIntyre and Thomas Fleetwood. God,

you just see him in the trailer. It's like, hey, Trunkhart is going to like this one. The one, but he doesn't like Tommy this week. He doesn't like Tommy this week. No, it's not that I don't like Tommy.

I'm just not going to. We're not doing that this week. I hope Tommy wins so badly. It'd be great of Tom. You're going to miss it. You're going to miss it. You won't be able to celebrate it. I'm not missing it.

You know how much equity I have tied up in this, Sally? 154 starting time. I think this one's maybe the nepotism pairing. You've got three guys whose fathers are PGA of America. Yeah, bring your father to work day. Cameron Young, Kegan Bradley, Justin Thomas. I love it. Would watch that group.

I mean, I'm in. Scottie's with a couple Englishmen. Yeah, Fitz and Justin Rose. Scotty and Randy trying to fend off the English. I feel like Scotty might push those guys around a little bit. We'll see. Team Rose had, what, 30 clubs? He had two bags up.

He had a good, he had a good presser. You know, I know he's obviously trying to get out ahead of the irons thing. And like, no, no, no, it's not the irons. That's not why I'm in my iron's bad. He was talking about like the letdown. after Augusta and just as thoughtful as always but just how sometimes it's like uh you know it's just hard to process those things like you get out of your routine you know you start doing the things that you do well you go home and as you're trying to just kind of digest everything that happened like

you you fall off in some areas uh he sounds like me on the the uh heritage podcast you know it's just a let down after Augusta a little bit. Was it my best stuff? I don't know. You know, it's just it's tough. Wasn't it my iron's good that week, Dej? That's right. It sounded like you're hitting your iron's good this week. I'll put your qualifier.

I was. I was. Sloppy cuts everywhere, baby. Love it. What else we got for tea times? Anything else? I mean, mentioned Blockie, Rasmus Hoygard and Dustin Johnson.

I think we know where Sally's going to be. Yeah. I feel we can mention Rory Rahman, the experience going off together at 840 off the 10 tea tomorrow. Does the experience deserve that tea time with Rory and Rom right now? He's going for the career slam, man. That's true. Why wouldn't he?

It's my favorite player, and I even I forget that. That that's on the line this week. We got to talk about that last night. We just don't, we don't bring that up enough this time of year because it's been going on for so long. But as much as we kind of poo-poo his chances, like again, there's only a few PGA championship courses that could make sense for him. to do it and this would be one of them.

The form is still, you know, up in the air. He's driving in. And A, he's close. He's close. I feel I feel differently about his chances than I did on Monday. I'll say that. You must be working on one of those templates he was talking about with swing templates.

Isn't that what he can call his all swing feels? He's got to get back to his DNA. DNA, yeah. These are the DNA that makes my swing. If it helps, he had a very 2013 Jordan white belt on outfit.

You know what? I didn't never thought about that. I was dressing them like a 12 year old again. We're, gosh, we're getting old enough now that the white belt's got to be kind of circled back into fashion here pretty soon. Baggy pants right.

Keep that on your radar. We need a, we're close to needing like a, like a 2014 throwback tournament. You know, we're getting, it sounds really recent, but it's kind of far enough away.

Like Rory wearing his old. Retro. Rory wearing his old Nike stuff. Allie wearing the blueberry outfit. Exactly. That suntan shirt? Think about Brooks could pull off. Jesus.

We got Wyndham, Cam Smith, and Brian Harmon. This is on the heels of Wyndham's T-Mobile activation last year. When he almost decapitated a marshal out there. Max saw the sign at the club Magenta. They were having an old meet-and-greet, I believe today at 4 p.m. at the club. If you're listening, do you want to check that out? You might have missed it. I saw that.

Thank you, Neil. Bryson, Ludwig, and Rick. That's fun. Yeah. That's great. comfy pairing for Bryson. We need Bryson involved. We need him to get off the bus.

That's got to be a cool experience for Ludwig, you know, to play with someone that, you know, has all that, all those high finishes in majors before turning 27 like Rick. That's just got to be a, you know, that's an honor, honor, honoring pairing pairing for for loving, I'd say. Zander Brooks, Tyrol. Take the bait.

Come on, T.C. Yeah, what if that pairing with Ricky is a cautionary tale for the LeBing? Don't be like me. Guys,

I got some stats before we get into our picks. You mind if I give you my five favorite stats? This is from the Elias Sports Bureau? These are. These are. I went through all of them. These are Randy Robles. These are my favorites.

All right. You ready for these? Yeah. guys the winners of 11 of the last 12 pGA championships were ranked number one or number two in the world at some point either before or after their victory point of this being as much as we're like oh it's the pGA it's the pg i don't know the pgay fucking stink it's like dogs win the pga sure big big big dogs

win the pg a so 11 of the last 12 11 of the last 12 have have been ranked one or two at some point do you guys know the exception i don't i don't know if you wrote it in the agenda. I'm not looking, but I'm trying to come up with the answer to that. I don't think I could even name six of the last 12th. So it went Jason, it went Jason, Jimmy Walker. Jimmy Walker. Yeah. Yeah. Damn it. Well, but what I was going to say is that doesn't line up a ton with like my childhood memories of it. Like, Yie Yang and Duffner and McKeel. It's like, Rich Beam. It's like just,

oh my God, every man here. And, you know, Keegan, first time he's ever played a major. And all of a sudden, now it's dogs. Yeah, it is interesting. I mean, I think the open has a little bit of that as well. It's been a dog run. It's just the best players are the best for the last 10 years, you know. Yeah. There's no fakers anymore.

By the way, illustrative. Speaking of Sean McKeel, I just, every time he pops up in that champion's dinner video or photo, every single year, I think it's Brett Baer from Fox News. It doesn't look like it. It's just. Yeah. similar geometry you go back

even farther Dej on that I'm thinking 13 was Duffner he would not have been top one or two but Rory of course one and 12

11 was Keegan would not be one or two but Kimer was 10 so even a couple more on there obviously Yiyang at 9 was not so much

but 08 would have been Padrig and 07 was Catt 06 was cat I don't know if he ever did I think he definitely was top four. Five was Phil.

06 was 05 was Phil up all you're right. Yeah, yeah. All right. Stat number two here. Again, just dogs, guys. Each of the last nine PGA championships was won by a player who today has multiple major championships on their resume. Wow. Justin Thomas

has famously two. As to there. Bruce, sure. Brooks Kepka, Colin Morikawa. asterisk there. Phil Mickelson, J.T. again, Brooks again, Zander Schoffley, and Scotty Sheffler.

Dogs. So nobody's getting a cheap E. PGA win and it being your only major? Not in the last nine years. Yeah. Yeah. Stout number three. Rory McElroy is looking to start 2026, of course, by winning the first two major championships

of the year. Neil, you know how many people over the last 75 years have done that? have won the first two majors of the year. PGA switch, so it would be winning the Masters in the U.S. Open for most of it, right? I'm going to say three people. Five people. T.C., well done.

Ben Hogan did it. Arnold Palmer did it. Jack Nicholas did it. Tiger Woods did it, and Jordan Speef did it. Wow. Which brings me to that number four. All right, you're right. I got to update my note.

Stop it, Dege. No player. I mean, this is obvious, but also, like, did you really think about it for a sec? No players won consecutive majors since the experience at the 2015 Masters in the U.S. Open. No players won back-to-back. And people get on us for talking about the experience. People are idiots. It was electric.

Yeah, back-to-back majors. Just period. Nobody's won two in a row. Yeah. Since the experience. 42 majors. Xander skipped. Yeah, he won two in the same year.

And Rory won the two prior to that. Yeah. Roy and Speed held all four majors heading into St. Andrews in 15. Those are Pete guys. Yeah. 42 majors have been played since then without anybody going back to back. The last time there were 10, there were at least 10 years between players winning consecutive major titles

was Tom Watson's wins at the 1982 U.S. Open and Open Championship. And Nick Price's wins at the 1994 Open and PGA. So that gap was the last time there was a gap this big. Good stat there, I thought. uh last one just one to follow one for your little thursday uh your little thursday bingo card uh last month scotty sheffler became the first player since world war two to go without a bogey on the final two rounds at a masters uh good stuff there his current bogey free streak in major championships is 39 holes uh since 2000 only a handful of players have ever had a bogey free streak of at

at least 50 holes. Well, you know, at major championships. Tiger Woods did it a couple times. Tigers, the longest streak is 63 holes at a major without a bogey. Again, Scott, he's currently at 39. That was during Tiger's 2000 season. Jason Day did it, 55 holes during that 2015 run between the Open and the PGA. Tom Lehman, 53 holes, the 2000 Open Championship in the PGA.

Tiger did it again in 06. And Stuart Appleby did it in 01. Played 50 holes at the 01 Masters without making a boge. Wow. Good stuff. So Scotty, he's got to do what, play 11 holes.

And he'll get into that 50 club, which I thought was, I thought that was good stuff. Does he start on the front or the back? I kind of, I'd like to do a little, you know, how do you do this with Mr.

Randy Robles and Justin Ray on like, so he just starts on the front. Where do you start with these stats? You just get, how do you go down the rabbit hole? What's the database looks like? And just what's the strategy on like, okay, do you go do that by hand? Like, what's, how do you, how do you pull this off? It's such good stats.

Weirdly, I have some firsthand experience doing this for the brewers on a filling. You got to just like, you got to see stuff and then chase it down. You've, you come up with a lot of ideas that you, that don't pan out. But you got to like, when you're watching coverage, you got to be like, what's that? He's made three in a row there. Okay, hold on. What is, what can that relate to? You got just John Nash, look for connections.

Yeah. you know you got to you got to answer your own question skill man it's awesome i'd be so afraid of making a mistake like one mistake can tear your stat apart though good thing is nobody knows if you made a mistake or not nobody else is looking nobody else has the database you know yeah but you know know but you know it's just it's a lot of hustle d each once you get good at using the database it's you know i think i think it's like anything else but i wanted to uh i wanted to play those out you know i don't know if that leads into kind of who will win who will not win yeah i think But I thought that was some good level setting there.

I think it's, I think it's time to get into that. Who wants to go first for picks? I can go first. Are we doing, wait, are we doing who will win or who will not win first? You tell me. I think who will win. Who will win first?

I watched him hit a few golf shots today. He's, he's a dude. He's part of the three-headed monsters. Give me cameo-on, especially if it's blowing. I think I'm going with the hot hand. And I, I hear you on Scotty, but I feel like he's pretty cold.

You said it, D. I think you said it on the preview pot. I was listening in the car on the way down here. Cam feels very comfortable playing good golf. Like it doesn't feel like he's faking anything out there. Just the way he carries himself. I just think he's just so, like, outrageously confident right now that I don't think his streak is stopping this week. I think he wins.

We'd love to see it. Yeah, sign me up. Would be great. No notes. I think that makes a lot of sense. I'm not going out of a giraffe take there. But I feel I'm rooting for that too. I just don't think there's a lot of giraffes at Aronimic.

You guys tell me if anybody feels differently, but I, let me, let me pick it up there because I, I giraffe at the Masters. So I would encourage you as you, as you get bullish on the experience, you try to elbow your way back into that party. I would go back and listen to the way I was treated when I, when I picked him at the master's. It was stupid. He wasn't going to win.

in the masters you guys telling me how dumb it was uh we just go back and listen to that it was dumb uh he played played played pretty nice uh that was a giraffe take which means i think i got some credit in the bank here to pick scotty shuffler this week which is what i'm gonna do yeah uh brave i'll i'll just i'll jump in here and i'll follow you right there i have credit in the bank because i picked him at the masters he finished second and that was a good pick he finished one shot back and you're picking scottie at the first two master at the first two majors the year i i might pick him for all four this year i i i there's still might win the grand slam you I feel like once you've exhausted him in one major, you're done with that guy and you need to.

I'm scarred by talking myself out of him for the PGA in the open last year, like not even considering him for either one. And just how foolish that felt to the point where I just do not want to look up and see him up by four and have regretted it. So I'm going, Scotty. I hope it gets windy. I hope he's shaping the shaping shots hitting into little corners. I just, I need it. Give it to me. Let's let's keep stacking them up at historical rates.

last one before he turns 30. We mentioned that in the in the preview. He's got, you know, there's another stat for you, Neil. You know. What is it? He joins Jack, Tiger, and Bobby Jones. I think that's right.

Yeah. As friends, only people who went five before 30. Robert. T.C.'s dog is this friend's called Bob. I'm sleeping on my feet right now. T.C., who are you taken? Which one player are you taken?

Yeah, I'm not going to fluff him or anything. I'm taking Ludwig. Didn't you pick at the Masters? And you just tried to me for picking the same guy twice? Yeah. So yeah. That's obviously not a rule here.

You don't like it. The proposed rule, but we didn't make a change. And I'm picking Tommy for both Shinnickok and. You're not. Those will not be honored. We established that last year. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, we got DJ out here. Fluff and the experience finished T12 at the Masters. and you know, you guys would get all over me for for fluff and somebody finishing. We are all over him, T.C. We are kind of right. Don't play live victim complex here, T.C. No, Ludwig, it's, it's written in the stars, guys.

What is written in the stars? Like, what are they, what are they writing? I mean, the strokes gain data speaks for itself. Just a kid in Sweden. I think, no, like in all seriousness, I think he's put into practice what he learned at the players. I think he needs to learn how to close in these big, you know,

big events, similar to what he did, you know, kind of bottling it away at the Masters twice now. And I think the driving seems to be improving. Like he was kind of in a funk with the driving. That seems to be improving. Putter's been steadily getting better.

And I think the irons are back to Ludwig level irons. So, listen, he's, He's racking up some experience. I think it's just a matter of if he can put that stuff into play, which I have confidence he can. The experience did beat him by two at the Masters, just so you do.

I think back to the one, I mean, it's been well documented on this podcast, another player that had a lot of close, late calls in tournaments, didn't get it done down the stretch, and I turned things around and won a bunch of tournaments. And that was big tone.

And I think there's no reason to believe that Ludwig can't do the same thing. I really truly believe that. I thought you guys said Andrews. I think Ludwig had any problem winning. Like he won his first year on tour. He won his. So did Big Ton. He won Puerto Rico.

Who will not win? Bryson. I want to be very clear about this. Yeah. No, I was going to say Bryson too, just to a tone for betting the under it, the Masters. And I think I'll regret that for a long time for picking Bryson to win the Masters this year. I was going to say Rom. I don't think Rob's going to win.

Let's take him both. Yeah, yeah. Bryson and Enron. Yeah. I love that. I'll do it. God, Rom was who I had on my list as well. Popular pick.

I could, he's going to figure it out at some point. I don't think this is Rom just forever who he is in the majors. Yeah, I just don't think it's this week, Dej. Yeah. Well, I'll ride with you. I'll ride with you guys,

but I'm very nervous about it. Let me just say that. If we're trying to get as close to the sun, as always, in this game. That's the goal. Trying to get as close. to the sun as possible. I think Rom might make it

a little nervy on us, but I'll ride with you guys. I'm going to say Rom, Bryson, Can't Lay, and Zander don't win. There's another one that just I don't know if we've even said that name other than the Champions Dinner Diss and he very well could win.

And he likes trees. I made a good case for him on Monday. We've talked with, this isn't a preview. We've previewed things on Monday. This is the catch-up episode. Do you feel like we're caught up? It is. It's a good. It's a lot. It's It's weird weather here. It was caddies today, T.C.

Very windy. So you feel like we've caught up officially? I think so. Just a couple things here as we head towards closing here. If you want to tune in this week, Thursday through Friday, you can turn it, starting at 6.30 a.m. You'd be on ESPN plus all the way until noon. There's the broadcast plus four feature groups.

The ESPN main broadcast on Thursday and Friday afternoon is noon to 8 p.m. They always do a fantastic job with those. Saturday morning. 8 to 10 a.m. on ESPN plus, then it's on ESPN from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. to 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. And the same schedule actually on Sunday as well. So 8 to 10 on ESPN plus, 10 to 1 on ESPN and then 1 to 7 on CBS. And we, of course. And just worth important to mention we did do some contract. We did do work with Omaha and 2023. And 224.

But yeah, we are no longer doing that. But it is important context for that conversation. I got a couple just rumbling notes here, if you'll allow me, just some conversations I had here. This is not me reporting these things, but some things I'm hearing out there, nuclear golf is listening. Please, please do not clip this up and report this as news,

but some chatter on these streets and things we picked up here that, keep an eye on, I believe this to be the case. I don't think an active live player has played in a PGA tour event of any kind since Live has started. And the word on the street is that is going to change this summer with the Scottish Open. And the names that are being floated out there is a large Spaniard

and a more diminutive English. I believe that a legion of guys from the Liv series that are going to be through the DP World Tour agreement they have will be playing the Scottish Open. Of course, the Scottish Open is co-sanctioned between the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour. So important context. Could be interesting dynamic

to see some of those guys playing in a PJT. I don't know how it's going to work. I don't know if they'll get like non-member FedEx Cup points for playing in that or I don't know. What if they win and then they can accept membership? Yeah, that would be sick. Yeah. That's one thing.

Keep an eye on also Bryson, potentially looking into DP World Tour membership. hearing rummings he's going to be playing the Irish Open this year which is at Dunebeg which I just discovered as well which is going to include DT allegedly might be playing in the proam which will be causing quite a quite a security situation I think related to that but Bryson going to be looking to play the Irish Open as well as summer so that's something something interesting

to keep an eye on there and then I think this next week is going to be next not this coming week but next week's going to be interesting on the live front of as far as business plan presentations. I don't have that factually. This becomes a business next week. This is not factually, but within the next couple of weeks, potentially in this coming week,

just to try, I know they're going to try to get off on any technicality of any reporting or any fast typists out there, but business plan presentations, going to the players with potential new contracts put in front of them with a, again, potentially dial back scheduled,

different look, whatever that might be next year. But how that all works among, different players and how their contracts work long term. I do not have the answers to, but might get some rumblings on that coming in the next week as well. That. Amon and Arla, we're in a war of words on X the everything app. Really?

Oh, yeah, epic. A lot of quote tweets. Yeah. Fast type is going at it. It's hard to keep track up, man. Yeah, just thread these things. Just make it back in the Russian nesting doll of. Yeah.

Of Convo. Yeah. Arla was really fast with the fingers until multiple people asked them like, hey, can you, can you send me the link to the articles you were reading about everyone saying live Mexico was not going to happen? He's falling back on this like, oh, multiple people reported, you know, multiple outlets reported live Mexico was not going to happen. That's why we said, you know, that, you know, they came on the air and said trying to will us out of existence. And everyone's like, can you can you link those? I don't think anyone actually did. And that's when Arlo unfortunately went silent. So unfortunately. Or little might be a flashy wide boy. I still don't know what that means. As mentioned earlier, big thanks to our friends at high noon as well for having us out for our event last night

down at Liberty Point here in Philly for all the Philly Faithful that came and showed up in person. That was just really, really fun. I think we'll have the audio of that. You'll be able to find that on the Nespot. I think in the future. Just teasing if you're in the New York area. Look out for an event, similar event announcement Tuesday of U.S. Open Week in

it'll be in the New York City area. Yeah. So that was a great, great time. And we appreciate everyone making the effort to come out for that. And I think we're turning that into a nest pod too. So if you just said, sorry. Just said that. Long day. Sorry about that. And if you're in New York City. No, I just said that, DHGs. Come on. Solly, I would also say, speaking of nest pods, if you haven't gotten a chance to listen to our, you know, non-top 100 public golf course chat. Go listen to that and then familiarize yourself with the Sunnyside part three up and upstate you do that first and then go listen to it.

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