No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1160: Rahm, Ludvig, and 20 others trying to chase Alex Smalley down

Episode Date: May 17, 2026

Big Alex Smalley holds a two-shot lead over five others going into Sunday at the 2026 PGA Championship at Aronimink Golf Club. Rahm, Ludvig, Rory, Xander, P, Mav.....I mean, everyone is still in the mix. Max Homa joins us to break it all down: Lingering vs Loitering, HFBITFB, news, notes, and a bunch more. Presented by Titleist. Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf High Noon - Sun's Up! Travelers Championship Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf The NLU email newsletter: bi-monthly updates on all things NLU: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/subscribe Join The No Laying Up Nest: https://nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, one round to go in the 108th PGA championship. Welcome to the No Laying Up live show, presented as always by our friends at titleist.

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squeeze mine in this morning, Dege. I got it done this morning. I love it. I new fit in. So thank you to the folks. Titles letting us get right to the action. Where do you want to start, Dege? Let's start at the top, man. You know, just like everybody predicted at the beginning of the week, winner's going to be 20, maybe 30 under part. No, it's Alex Smalley at six under is your 54 whole lead. He leads just about everybody in the greater Philadelphia area is is under par. After that, Mattie Schmidt, Nick Taylor, John Rom. Can't wait to talk about that. Aaron Rye with a great round of golf today.

Ludwig, Oberg, out of nowhere. Rory McElroy shoots one of the rounds of the day, maybe the round of the day. Zander, he's going to be, but there's so many guys that we're going to be talking about. And I think we're going to be breaking a lot of it down with our guest as well, who just popped into the chat, a guy who was out there this week and get some on the ground reporting from our old friend Max, Oma, Max. Hello, how are you?

Hey, guys. Thank you guys so much for having me. This is saving me from a lot of boredom. My family left this morning, and I have absolutely nothing to do for two and a half days. So thank you for accepting my offer to come on. Yeah, Max texted me today. And he's like, hey, you know, you guys still doing those live shows? You got any of those live shows? I was like, you know, they're not like in person, like in Philly.

He's like, no, no, I know. I'm not doing anything. Max, great to see you, man. How are you? You guys too. Yeah, I'm good. Still laughing at your one for 37 in the fantasy baseball world night. Why don't you check the updated standings?

I'm sure it's great. I'm just saying, I don't know. I was texting a lot of people. I don't know how that's just like possible. It's one of the craziest stats ever. It's just one day, man. Everybody has a bad thing. What was, you know, not the week you were looking for, obviously.

But what was your, what was your big takeaway from, from, from erotomy. Tough side of draw, I'm sure. I mean, yeah, you know, different side of the draw. who knows that could have gone differently for you. I would like to precursor this with all of what I'm about to say is I was not making the cut regardless of any of this. But everything like the guys are saying, I guess, in interviews is the point of what they're trying to say about the pins, I guess, because I've had a couple of my friends text me about it. Like, why are these guys complaining or whatever? But I was like, it's not of their complaint is too hard. It's just, it's kind of goes to the wing foot theory that like when you make fairways that hard to hit with rough that long, the best drivers really can't do that. Or sorry, the straight drivers and short guys can't do that much. You might rather bomb it up into the rough because everyone's going to miss fairways.

That's kind of what it felt like when we were walking around Tuesday, Wednesday was like, man, if you put a pin here, like I have no clue how you're going to get to it. So you're just going to hit it over here and then you're going to two put. So it just gets a little. that's why the leaderboards like this. I don't, I, if it was not windy, I, I thought Scotty could win this by like 30, because he's the only guy I could see, like, be on the control distance that well and, like, just do it a lot of times. But when it got windy, I mean, there were a whole, there was just nothing you could do.

We went out that Friday morning was freezing and blowing a million. And we got to 11 and there's really no option to, like, lay back because enough club in to spin it doesn't spin. So you were hitting the shot to a right pin that had no, you just couldn't do it. And you could make par. You could hit 30 feet, of course, and that's what everybody was trying to do. But that's where it just, like,

the separator was just like, could you make some bombs? So I love the course. It's so sick. And it's going to be really exciting tomorrow. But that is like the point of what I think everyone's saying. And it's very true because I don't know. I asked Keegan, I put them Tuesday.

I said, how did you shoot 20 under here? And he goes, well, so soft. You just rifled it at it. And it was hard to get away. from you. And I was like, okay, that makes sense because, like, I didn't see it out there when we were playing Tuesday. And then Wednesday got windy. I was like, I definitely don't know how anyone's going to do this. Yeah, it's, uh, if I could step in just for the pampered fucks. I don't, I don't think anyone said unfair. I don't think anyone's like critique of it went beyond.

No, yeah. It's even complaining. It was just like the, the pins were really, really hard. They softened them up a little bit today. We can talk about that some. But it was just really, really difficult and that is going to present a certain kind of test i think is and and rory kind of went up to the line he did say he didn't think it was a good setup i think that's like um that that's a that's a different take than like this is unfair or it's too hard for us and i'm just curious that's somebody that played it your perspective on that well you know how you always kind of say like your your main point about uh firm greens versus soft greens is it takes a great shot on a firm green to hit it close well struck right shape

height at times like right distance like it is requires everything whereas when it's soft you can hit an okay golf shot and you're not getting that big of a difference between a really good one and a and a pretty good one that's what this feels like to hit it close you have to hit like not on every hole obviously but like on we were talking about 12 on Friday front right pin it's on a knob and the wind's down off the right I hit a great driving at a sandwich and I hit a very good wed shot. You know, if I'm just calling, like, basing out of 10, I had a nine out of 10 sandwich. It landed two paces too far and then just hopped, oh, you know, it was a firm. So it hopped down the hill. You can't spin up that hill. So now it's, you know, 20 feet. It's a great shot.

Like, I'm not complaining about it. But to have hit that close, it's, you're asking like a ton. And I'm not saying this again as like, oh, whoa is us. But it's just now you're going to get the same thing. where really, really good shots go to 20 feet and pretty good shots go to 25 feet. That's where I see it. That's where I see what Rory's kind of trying to say is that like the champion of the PGA and some people's opinion won't be because they played like significantly better golf than the field. Like I look at it as four over par right now is like 60th or something and they're nine or now

10 back, but at one point they were eight back. You know, they're eight back a second. Like that's, oh, that's too many people to not say at some point that that there was no separator. And we play with Hadecki Friday. And he did what you have to do out here, which is he just made a ton of like eight to 12 to 15 foot par putts sprinkled in a couple birdies. It's just that that's, that's my take on it. It's just really good shots and good shots are going basically having the same value. And I don't know how you can do a whole lot more, at least the first two days.

You know, today did look a little bit more. manageable. Yeah, I think it's pretty, it's one of those weeks that it's pretty easy to wrap your head around. As weird as it feels, because it's so different than all the other weeks, it's very easy to understand how this happened, right? Where it's like, I was watching it with Justine today, who hasn't watched any of the golf. And she was just even first thing she noticed, she's like, man, why is that like everybody at two? I was like, well, it's like kind of, that's kind of the whole thing that everybody's talking about. She's like, well, why does that happen? I was like, well, you know, you've got, you can't make birdies. but you also don't make doubles.

Yeah. And so you got kind of the, you know, the closest you can hit it is 15 feet, which you're probably going to miss. And then somebody else might hit it to 40 feet and they're both going to make four. And you kind of just do that like 54 times. And, you know, you try not to step on rakes and like shoot yourself out of it. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense.

It's like, but it's cool that like a bunch of people have a chance to win. I was like, yeah, it is cool. You know, it's whatever the fuck you wanted to be this week is kind of my takeaway from this. It's like, it's the Valhalla. It's going to be exciting. I don't know if it's like the greatest, which is funny because I love, I think golf sports is so good. So it's just, some of these pins are just bananas. If I was to, I was to say like I was, I was my, despite what the reaction to what I said last night was, I was right in the middle.

I was like, there's a lot to like about this. There's some things I would critique, but it's kind of gray for me. And today was quite generous in a lot of fashions. And moved the T up on 13. The par three T's were up. The part, the wind was out a different direction. the par five's played different. It just felt like if I was to, you know, really nitpick,

they could have blended a little bit of the ease of some of the whole locations today into yesterday and it smoothed it out a little bit more. I think it was there was an early overreaction this morning of like, oh, there's going to be 60, it's all 65s out there. There was a bit of a wave split this morning because we were picked up again in the afternoon. But yeah, it's, we're all kind of left scratching our head because it's kind of usually pretty, I don't know, it's not easy to figure out what's going on on golf tournaments or like what the test is or who's winning and who's clear.

been the best and this is like one of the biggest blenders i can imagine and uh yet you have john rom you have ludwig you have rory zander read all right there as well um and so it's it's not like it's complete luck uh but also two of the guys within three shots of the lead are in the top 35 in the world and the rest are outside of that uh in data called frankies it's just it's crazy so yeah i don't think i i i don't think that it's like any kind of luck i just think it's testing maybe like less of the golfer. So you still have to do really well at a, at everything. You have to drive it well.

Um, you, you, you, you really need to hit your irons well. But again, like you're not going to get a massive separation between like a Scotty iron day and a, you know, so and so iron day,

uh, who's like maybe 50th in strokes gained or whatever. Um, but yeah, to your point about the, the pins the first two days. Like when I turned on the TV and I saw where the pin was today on 10, I was like,

what the, fuck where was that yesterday it was humming it's 45 degrees and i was just like dude if you miss the farewell you have no chance and then your wed shot if you have to lay up is so scary and i was just like what the fuck this is nuts so it just i don't know it still is such a great test because again you do need to do all the things well the the the kind of second bit of the issue is the rough is so hard to chip out of that if like you do miss the green it is you have to be so concerned because like around the greens is so hard. The first cut is like the craziest stuff I've ever chipped out of.

So I think you're also seeing people playing more. Like I was playing so like conservatively, especially the first day. And it's just the 15 footers you're talking about DJ. Like everyone's got one. Like they're so tricky because they're up a hill down. They're pretty quick. Like they can run away from you. So or get away from you.

So you have to be like pretty conservative. There's like five holes where it's like I fucking need this. which is a whole other mind fuck probably yeah dude like now oh no you have to make it you have to it's the only one do you get so yeah you miss a fair round two and get like go at the pin it's like good god that might be done uh so i think that's kind of that that's what's uh so different about this tournament uh rory had some good stuff today obviously shot 66 had a had some good comments some interesting comments he's kind of back to be in old rory in the press room this week which which we love. This was him, you know, he had said a couple days ago. It's not a good setup. It's not a good

set up. We're not separating. He said it yesterday after shooting 67. That's important. That's right. That's right. He backed off it slightly today, but just kind of some clarifying stuff that I thought was good. Dog on one. Can you think of another PGA course that they could manipulate scoring the way they can this week? And what do you expect for tomorrow? Um, um, I don't know if manipulates the right I don't know if manipulate scoring is the right term. They've protected it. I don't know if, you know, manipulate seems a little. USGA?

Okay. Well, Mike Davis, but he's gone. Jesus. Yeah, it's, look, when you have a set of greens like this, you can start to frustrate people. pretty easily. I think you heard it in me last night. You heard it in Scotty. I saw some of his comments. Shane, I think there was a lot of guys that were frustrated yesterday coming off the course. But again, it's frustrating to us, but at the same time, it creates a hell of an entertaining

championship. So if I wasn't playing this tournament, I'd love what's going on this week. But watching and playing are two different things. There you go. I thought that's, you know, I think that's right. And you might be sitting there saying, that's not how I feel at all. This tournament's whatever you want it to be. You've got a free pass to make this, this PJ Championship. You project whatever the hell you want onto it. I think that's, I think that's the only way to make sense of this is we don't have wild weeks like this very often in pro golf. And I think we just got to stand back and be like, huh, this one's weird. How about that? Which I think brings us to our leader, Alex Smalley, who was impressive as F today. He was like he came out of the game. I was joking on slack about it a little bit. It was kind of an old school. You don't see this at majors that often. I was reading a piece that Shane Ryan literally wrote about Alex Smalley

as he's teen off on the first hole. And when you get these like, I don't want to say no name because he's a very, very good player and he's around on a lot of PJ tour leaderboards, but you get a lesser known guy who takes a lead at a major. The writers have like 18 hours to like pump these stories that are like, you may not know Alex Smalley, but he's ready for the moment. And then he steps up on the first tee and he hits it a,

150 yards right. And I was just like, oh, man, that's, that's tough. Then my guy got that treatment. It was like ass back to get it back and take the lead. I was reading that from Shane was kind of like, better burn this one tonight. We don't know if it's going to, if it's going to work on Sunday. You don't know if he's going to be there. But he will be there when he tees off tomorrow on Saturday.

We're going to run this one tonight. But yeah, bogey, bogeed the first two, bogeed three of the first four and then just fought it all the way back. Birdie seven, birdie nine, plays his back nine and 31. Birdie's 18, hell of a shot in there after making bogey on 17. Max, you know Alex, Alive, you play with him? Anything you can tell us about his game? I haven't.

He's got, obviously, he's an interesting dude to watch because he's a really good golf swing. And, you know, it seems like he gets his, he drives it and hits the irons really well. And he's so calm. He doesn't seem to make a peep. But Woop has been putting the stats up for the guys that wear him here and there. and he was on 15 at cognizant, it was 150. Like, I have to work so hard to get to 150. So he's a very interesting person to watch because now that I know that,

it's like you watch him and he's not really, he looks kind of like a DJ, just nothing, Camilla, he doesn't really smile much and he just kind of strolls around. It seems like that's, you know, the perfect thing. But on the inside is proving he's got a lot going on, but he handles it. So he's played so well this year. I think it's always tough in this world or this day and age where, you know, the news cycle is just kind of who wins and then that guy gets a lot of run. And then it's who wins and then that person gets a lot of run.

Whereas Alex has played really well for two years and doesn't get loads of run on it, maybe because he hasn't won. So now it's like he's in the lead at a major or even if he's just contending. And it's like, man, who's this guy? And we all know, but I don't know. So I like his game. It's going to be a big test. tomorrow. I think tomorrow, a big test tomorrow is with how many people there are. And you can get

this golf course. You need a very good day. But there are a lot of holes if you put yourself in the right spot that you can get. If you get like a warm putter, like there could be a low score posted. And that's probably a heavy thing. I wouldn't know. But like that's a heavy thing I would assume to look at as you're because you look at people like scottie scottie's seeing off like two hours before them yeah and he's like not that many back so he throws up like a four or five under and it's just or he gets off to a good start and say Jesus man like this is what i have to i just think whoever wins his golf tournament if they come if they win from like late they're gonna have to look at a number and that's hard to do yeah it's gonna be warm tomorrow too like i i feel like some of these some of these uh what

what a neal call it not the gazelles the the bears or the lions that are they're chasing after them like it when it warms up you know the body's warmed up sail it you know hit it even a little bit farther uh that golf court starts to shrink down even a little bit more um it's going to be the looks like the least amount of wind that we've had so far this week for tomorrow they keep saying that man told me that about thursday and friday oh my god let me uh you know again you can be forgiven if you're if you're a casual fan and uh you only come to church uh four times a year uh to watch these majors, but you could be forgiven for not knowing a lot about Alex Smalley.

Let me read the data golf rankings of this is not the crooked OWGR. This is the data golf rankings in order here. At number 34, think about how all of these guys have played. Patrick Reed, Justin Rose. So this is Patrick Reed's 34. Justin Rose is 35. Keegan Bradley 36, Jordan Spee, 37, Alex Smalley 38. Like that's the zip code that he lives in, which is well deserved based on his finishes.

his consistency. So it's not like a, holy shit, this guy's the 400-9th player in the world, and he's going to poop his pants on the first tee tomorrow. He very well may not win, but I don't know. I was super impressed with what he put up today. The front-nine back nine is a good sign for tomorrow. He got punched, and on the spot you can't get punched, you would think. And it didn't bug him.

So I think that's a great sign for him. But again, you always look at leaderboard. when you've watched or played in this enough, it's not necessarily always how many back you are, how many, it's the, it's how many people there are. It feels like you're just dodging.

So it's one of those things like, yeah, you have a two-shot lead, but you have like so many people around you that it, that probably doesn't feel quite as like comfy. But again, I mean, that, that, that, if he would have done that other way, if he would have played great on the front and then kind of like, just play like everybody else was on the back,

it would probably be a bit concerning. It would probably be a bit concerning just as a fan, but what he did was pretty amazing. Now you got to sleep on it. So it'll be fun. This does feel like a really good setup for like a first time winner or something, like somebody that you wouldn't, you know, I guess expect pre-week. But now it all make, it makes sense.

So it's like, if he were to win tomorrow, it's not like anybody's like, how in the hell did that happen? Because what do you, like you just did, DJ? When you dive in the numbers, like, yeah, sure, he's really, really good. Yeah. Speaking of crowded leaderboard, should we bring in the Zon? are. I mean, there's just, there's no room for all these people. Everybody's, everybody's tied for, you know, 11th here.

Yeah, no, no, no. Hi, man. Let's go, baby. Max, good to see you. How are things? What's up, Neil? I'm good. How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. I was, uh, I had both boys on my own all day. So I'll tell you what it felt like to me, guys, watching kind of on, not so much silent, but there are a lot of screaming going on in my ears. Every time I walk into the room, it was like a dance circle at a wedding, you know, like, you guys. popping in. I'm like, oh, Maddie Schmidt, he's doing the worm. Holy shit. He's out of there, right? Oh, Rory's doing the moonwalk. This is unbelievable. You know, it's like a new guy at the top of the leaderboard every 10 minutes. So I am,

I had a great time watching call. Eric, he's going to pull something. I am just, sign me up. I know I said it last night, but sign me up for something different. And this is different. We're not seeing a lot of this, you know, at minus four, uh, struggling to make pars out there. Like, it's, and just like, like, what, 47 guys could win it. Like, hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah. You know, this like before data golf existed.

Like, this is just, it's a free, it's a Donnybrook. It's a total free for all, Dege. I love it. I'm all in. It really is. We've got 43 guys, I think, at even par or better. Oh, my God. Which is within six.

We have, what is that? 22 guys within four at minus two or better. And then, of course, you've got the Scotty group at, at minus one. Max, I mean, we're going to say it a million times, but it's not the,

how many strokes, it's the how many people is, like, I'm going to do this math off the top of my head and probably screw it up, but it's, well,

it's the round of the week so far, Ben, 66, 65, I've got her up. Or 60, no, there was a, yeah,

65. 65 got her. He's a bunch of 65s today, yeah. So if Scottie shoots 65, five under, and like, takes Smalley out of this,

he can be the outlier, right? I'm hard pressed to say that doesn't win. That's what I'm saying is like, so then what, Scotty is three back of all those people. So you need everybody to shoot everybody but one to shoot whatever that is, like two under fire. You know, it's like there's, it's so much ground to make up. Yeah. He's got to go like crazy, crazy low.

Max, can I ask you a question about the course? Yeah. So I'm sorry. So I've seen maybe two, a couple shots this week back up like with wedges. And is that mainly because, obviously, firmness, but with wedge, you'd think you could spin it. Is that just a lot of guys landed on slopes and it running out? Like, like, if you had a wedge in your hand,

did you feel like you could stop the ball, like, where you wanted to? Or like, where does that stop in the back, I guess is what I'm asking? I actually think the firm has made this course easier. When we were first being told about this place, everyone's like, hey, it's kind of a pitching put, especially the front nine. But the greens are so slopy and it's so soft because of the rain. like you're going to be chipping nine iron from 110 to make it not because once it starts rolling it won't stop like on you know 11 or whatever

when we got here in his firm I was like this actually is going to play easier with a wedge the tricky part is um that back left pin on 11 is great that's about as easy as it gets I am so excited to see where they put that pin tomorrow if they have any balls they'll put it front left after all the bitching about pins because it is maniacal but yeah it's you can the problem is is that um your bucket for where you need to land it is like almost too small so your first hop tends to get to a downslope and then it will trickle so it probably is going to rip back but it like it it just it can't go up the hill at that point plus you're it's always hard to see on tv but a lot of the wed shots are are running downwind so it's just like or uphill so it's like they're coming in so flat downwind it

your first hop is so massive. And then the beauty of around the greens, but what makes it so hard with the wedge is that they have the most subtle false fronts and runoffs around them. So if your ball lands into it, it's going to spin down. And if it lands over it, maybe two paces further,

then it's going to hop to the next like crown. So it's just a lot of shelves in like little, tiny little areas. That's, again, why I could see Scotty going bananas if it's like nice out, because it requires so. such precision but yeah there's just such subtlety to the undulation that with any kind of firmness with any kind of you know running away or downwind it's like i the areas are so small it's hard

to even like guess like that the play jordan did it on 11 day which is the craziest shot i think i've ever seen someone do but like when you're standing there you're thinking like that's the only way i can do this not on every hole but like on a lot of holes where there's a run-up it's like I have to land this short with like, maybe two clubs too many, get one mega hop and then, you know, hit the e-break. And it's just like, who's going to even try that? Like, it's not, it's not worth, like, the juice ain't worth the squeeze because then you're going to have 40 yards coming back.

And that's not every hole. But that's why, that's why one, two, three, four, and six and seven, I guess if you at the fairway are like that. It's because the greens are not as like bananas. but as you get to the other holes, there's just such a small bucket to land it in. Even like the front pin today on five, did you guys see like Justin hit that one really good?

It still broke like six feet left when it hit the ground. Like that should have been four feet and he's, he made the putt, but it's like, God, that's like there's no, there's no like soft spot as far as like, it doesn't feed. It goes away. It's Randy's heaven.

The slopes are all working away from you. Yes. Let me tee up one more video. I got this from Patrick Reed was talking about how to play the course, which I loved. I feel like whenever it's windy like that, especially when you have greens like this, you have to be creative. You have to play golf. You can't sit there and focus on technique and be a robot.

It just doesn't work. And when you have conditions and greens like this, because, I mean, there's so many ways to kind of get the ball close to the hole. But, I mean, a lot of times working in the slopes or, you know, trying to bounce stuff up or things like that around here seems to be a little better than trying to fly to the hole just because they're so firm. The ball's just going to bounce and you're always going to be above the hole all day. Where you have it?

I want to go. How about that shade of green he was rocking? It's just electric. Electric green, bad, the oath keepers on the chest. He's got the vestige. It's, yeah. And he's just, I mean, he's just, I don't know. I just said it on, what was that, Thursday night?

Max, I think the coolest thing that's going to happen in golf this year is, is Patrick Reed playing the Masters, the PGA, the U.S. Open back to back to back with no other events in between. It's so sick. And play good in all of them. It's so cool. Ben Hogan, like, Jones in for a game.

I just can't get a game, man. You know? It's not a club. I got to bring my own game. It's unbelievable. He was counting cars. He's kicked out of the casino. Nobody will let him play.

You need to take the steamship over for the open. I mean, he brought himself back into it. I saw him. He was another guy that was doing, you know, the robot in the dance circle just out of nowhere. I'm like, whoa, it's P's 300. We have the pin sheet whole locations for tomorrow. Cody, if you want to, if you're able to show that, I'd be curious to get Max's reaction to somebody's, if you can see him, it's probably going to look pretty small on your phone, which I'm assuming you're recording that from Premier Max. But I don't see anything that's, it doesn't look crazy, crazy to me.

They are front right on 11. Psycho on this phone right now. Sorry, everybody. 21 on 9 from the right on 1. 7 on 11 from the left on 2. Back in that back right corner again on 3. That's a sweet pin. That was their Thursday.

Yeah, 3 is cool because you can actually hit it like 4 left of that and a little long and when it spins down that ridge, it'll break right towards the hole. So if you can cut a wedge in, let's see, like that's a great hole and pin because if you miss that fairway. No way. There's, I mean, you can hit it pin high 35 feet, but if you hit it too far, your putts

really messed up. If you're too short, you don't have to chip it off the green. There's no real play to that pin if you don't hit the fairway. Again, which is why the course is awesome. There's most holes you have to be in the fairway. Front way, front right on six. Just looking at this. It's like I've said all week, it's really hard to do this when you don't have,

when you can't see the slopes and the heat maps and all that stuff. but again it doesn't look like doesn't look at six looks like it's not on the green is that is that on the green i'm not like max when we were at uh griffith park that day so that's like max dropped out didn't like that joke yeah exactly down the line in the corner what's they doing on eight are they keeping it god they're just living on that right side on eight which i appreciate it's like it's it's not broken baby let's keep going i know they put it left today but that's that's three days in a row i think they put it over there.

All right. Three or four days, right? It was kind of front-ish. Yeah, I guess, yeah, you're right. It was a little bit more front yesterday when they played it a little bit shorter. But yeah, kind of middle-ish on nine. I'm assuming that false front's going to come in on that one. Back right on 10 is a gnarly pin.

A lot of guys were practicing to that one earlier in the week. Very front-right, as we mentioned, on 11. Kind of middle back on 12, way back on. on 13 in that back left corner, way back left on 14, front left on 15, all the way on the right on 16, kind of tuck left on 17. That's going to bring the water into play there and then kind of 20 on 9 from the left on 18. So it doesn't look, I mean, again, it's hard to tell without the slips around it, but it does not look, it looks more similar to today, I think, than did the previous two days in terms of it just being kind of completely absurd in Scotty's

towards. I thought Rory had some good comments too about the way the course played today. Again, I don't think that they're trying to like jar the transmission to just completely change this golf tournament and be like, today's easy day. You know, like the wind also switched. And they moved, they had moved 13 up, which I'm sure was always the plan for the whole week. But then the wind, you know, switches to the opposite direction. So some of the holes that were playing super hard are suddenly not playing hard. Both of the par fives are playing straight down wind. I think there were some other some other things rather than just like oh carry hagg freaked out and he and he lost you know he doesn't have the metal uh like i got still look pretty hard if you if you wanted to make it hard out

out there who's saying that dude who's saying that i feel like i got lumped in with a bad crowd last night i was literally in the middle was my take and everybody got really really upset you got a stamp for something though sally i did i give you very specific things i liked and very specific things i did me very specific i like today a lot better i thought today iron play got you know, was tested in a lot stronger fashion. It was less of a putting contest and less, I don't know, just less silly with the, the whole occasions of that were really good. We saw guys go out and get it early.

But I think today also spoke to how thin the line is, how difficult it is to set this up. Like literally, same golf course, same pins, everyone playing it in the morning. It was almost a shot harder in the afternoon. The guys that are playing better, you know, to this point, we're almost a shot higher in the afternoon because the wind picked up. and it played a lot more difficult. And this morning, everyone was like,

oh, everyone's going to shoot 63 is this is going to be the easiest day ever. It's just like, dude, that's just how difficult it is to set up a golf course. And I thought, I thought today was the highlight by far. Just a lot of uncertainty and a lot of golf holes. And I really enjoyed watching today.

I thought I liked it. It felt late. It was like, oh, God, I forgot to Alex Smalley's still got to go. For sure. I thought I liked it.

I think I had fun, but I do, I've got to check my, my numbers. I got to check the sheets. I got to check the sheets before I can decide. whether I for sure. All three days.

I've had a blast. This has been a like a highlight PGA for me because it is like, you know, we talk identity. Lean into the chaos, baby. It's awesome. And I mean, I love having this leaderboard where, you know, that you got some guys that are new to this situation at minus six and and a few at minus four. But then it, then it's the lions, baby. I mean, Rob, you know, a lot of storylines there. but the guys at minus three are like heavy hitters.

Like just, you know, God, let me be breathing down some necks tomorrow. I'm fired up about it. The leaderboard's got the juice, Sally. Max, another question for you. No, no. Okay, sorry. You got to read the chat, Neil.

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And Max is back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Sorry. The pins broke you. Parenting and duty calls you. Pins broke my brain. I was going to say this earlier.

We talked to Alex Smalley a little bit before you hopped on, Neil. Neil, I'll give you the first pick. Within reason, you know, I guess you can go all the way back to Scotty, although it's going to take a 63 probably or something for him. What's your number one draft pick tomorrow? Genie, you know, Like storyline or guy? Either one.

I don't know, whatever that means to you. What would you? You get a, you get a genie wish for whatever you want tomorrow. I was asking how I'm not picking a winner. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean. Not what you think is going to happen.

What do you want to happen? What are you rooting for tomorrow? Good question. There's a lot. I got Stockholm syndrome. Like, seeing, like, Patrick Reed come out of nowhere and win this thing is like,

after what we just said about he's only playing majors. Like that is just like, whoa, man. Like that that's kind of the state of golf right now. That would sum up a lot of the last three or four years. What color car do you buy if you win the PGA? Because he got that green one for the Masters. That's a great point. Just bright silver.

Maybe maybe the bright green he was wearing today. I don't know. He stays in the same lane. You know, a lot like, God, Ludwig bounced back today. I think Ludwig breaking through is, I don't know, T. I'm like Stockholm syndrome. I'm picking up his platform. He's not even here.

So I've got a lot on the line with Nick Taylor and John Rom, both of those guys. Nobody knows this. So we had an in-person event on Tuesday. That has not been publicized. We had to pick who we thought by finished DFL. And I did say, it was a gut pick. I said Nick Taylor without any of that at all.

Get right. That's a pock eater. And so I was sweating that one for a couple of minutes. So, but yeah, listen. TC's got a lot riding on this ROM thing. If ROM come back and win tomorrow, I don't know how he can twist that one, which we know he's going to try, but I don't know how he's going to actually do it.

I am so curious if the weather behaves and it's not windy, like how different you see like certain skill sets play. I think it's so hard right now because it's a win too that like know what, what are you supposed to do? It's kind of like a gust of when it gets impossible.

It's like everyone just, you're going to struggle on the same holes and you're going to probably have your birdie looks on same holes. If it gets, like you said, it's supposed to be warmer. It's supposed to be less windy. Like all of a sudden, maybe people do show off a little bit more, and there are, there is a separator. That would be, that's the part that's so hard to, like, predict here with who's going to play well.

I don't know if you can see that there, but that's just, that's a different chart. It's like, yeah, seven miles an hour gust. I mean, gosh, you could see, yeah, that's where this was, yeah. That's where you can see some of these I lost them again. The genie wandered out of your house as you were just rambling on to all kinds of names. I said Pete. I took Pete.

Who you got? I mean, I think Rory could be halfway to the the Grandsland tomorrow. He has shot 67, 66 the last two rounds. He was on totally on offense. He's playing the best

golf, I feel like, of anyone up there near the top, it just looks like he, you know, if there were 36 holes remaining in this, I would like confidently say I think Rory's going to win. But if you're making me pick somebody who I think is going to win here, Rory is, it would be my pick. And I think that would be an excellent, excellent story tomorrow. Yeah, I just don't feel like we've even seen the best possible golf from him over the last couple days.

And he has been, I don't know if this is literally fact, but I feel like he's been the best golfer over the last two days and got over whatever. happened Thursday. Yeah, a couple things on Rory. I think being where he is after an opening around 74 is badass. I think that's awesome stuff. He talked about a little bit in his post round today and how he's, I think, starting to not necessarily like dread the finish line, but like, you know, understand the gravity

of the finish line where he's like, man, I've got a set number of these things left and I need to I need to max out as much as I can. I think that's kind of the he's freed up mentality of like these are no longer a curse. I think they're a little bit more like how many can I, how many can I go get? And him battling back after 74 is is pretty awesome stuff. A couple stats I saw floating around. So he was 105th after round one in the field. There's only four players in history that I've ever won a major after being outside the top 50

after round one. Wow. Only four out outside the top 50. He was in 105th. And I think he's going to win tomorrow. I mean, that's like, that's crazy. Spotting the field, just essentially four shots or, you know, whatever. The field average would be six shots, four shots, whatever it is, is awesome stuff.

And also, is 25th round of 66 or better. Neil, you'll like this one. 25th round of 66 or better in a major. Only Tiger Woods has more in history. Is that a Randy Roble-stead? That's from the Elias Sports Bureau. I think there's two guys working on those. But yes.

Hell yeah. Great stat. It's worth looking at in terms of just the uncertainty going into tomorrow. Smalley with the two-shot lead, 17 and a half win percentage. That's the highest win probability. That's shockingly low going into the final round for one person, like the leader alone to have that low of a win probability. And there's like no one has a big one.

It goes Ludwig Rom shortly after that. and then Rory is the fourth favorite 8.9% win probability going into tomorrow, just three back. That seems low. But again, that's calculated based on all the other, just the volume of guys. He could get passed by somebody below him as well. Max, you got a horse you're rooting for tomorrow? Storyline, I really like the ROM thing would be cool. Ram.

Just because he's just gotten punched a bunch by these majors. and like since he's left and he's still so incredibly good. So I'm sure he has like a lot on his mind when he comes to these and he's kind of in a good spot. I don't think there's like loads of attention on him even though he's like literally right in it. So I think that would be cool. Like the P. Reed storyline to what Neil said is awesome. I guess that's funny. It's a little more farfetch of shit.

It's so funny. I don't know. I'm, I love Mav. So, like, I always root for MAV. But I'm more focused or curious about the storyline of, like, is it somebody who plays early and posts, or is it going to be like a normal golf tournament where, you know, someone wins it at the end?

Because there's also, like, is it somebody who just gets lying hot on the front nine and actually, like, kind of holds on? Or is it somebody who's going to do what Smalley did today and actually play the back nine well? But I think it's going to be totally different tomorrow with that one. weather because I think that, I don't know.

I just think you're going to see some six, seven unders because I think you're going to actually be able to beat up the front, like truly beat it up. I think you're going to see a lot more guys do it. And just think about, I did catch Rom missing that like three foot 10 inch put on 18. Yeah. I mean, that's tough now. I hope that doesn't sting, man.

Because, Dej, we said it on the season preview pod this year. Like, what's your storyline for the year? It's like, Rom at the majors. Yeah. And if it comes down to a three footer on Saturday that he missed on 18, just like, just a mindless three putt. But he went from second to 48th. Max, you could attest to this, though.

I do not think that was a mindless putt, Neil. That was like those punches. You're watching with like two kids in my arms. You know, I'm like, oh, God, he's got to make, you know, like the Tony Soprano me. Like, what an idiot. What a bum. Those four footers, you tell me, Max, like, those seem to be more stressful on this golf course than a lot of golf courses you play.

Yeah, they are. I don't think that they're crazy. but when you think of just his putt in particular, the first one's tricky because you're going uphill into the wind, uphill downhill into the wind. So that's always weird just because of, like, you don't know if you guys need to hit it harder because of the wind. But it's like you don't want to obviously do the dumb thing

and leave it short and have it roll back. And then when he hits the second one, it's obviously a good putt. But it's downwind now. You know, everyone puts pretty aggressively inside of six feet. it comes off like probably a little warm it was clearly gonna like he read it right except the pace but like it's downwind so it's like going and it to your point like they're tricky they all have some kind of break around the hole it's very augusta like in that you don't get a lot of like

just basic five footers when you do it's probably because you either got luckier you had to chip it like you know and they got below the hole so yeah they're just there's just enough in there to worry you a little bit. But I mean, everyone's going to do that. I mean, again, to his benefit, he's really not that far back. And I think a lot of the times you look at what second place is, not first when there's a bit of a gap. So he's right there.

He's just so freaking good. I wish, I say it's all the time. I feel so robbed that we don't get this more with him and Scotty. It would just happen all the time. They're so consistent. So it's fun when he's up there. But like I said, I'm more just, I cannot wait to see. how the actual tournament itself plays out.

I don't necessarily care who it is, but I just think there's going to be something, because it's such a unique board. I think it'll be a very unique way this tournament finishes. Max, can I ask you another question? A 12-way playoffs. It could. Which hole is between 8 and 17?

Which of those par 3s did you find harder? Well, wait, 8 on Thursday was the dumbest hole I have ever played in my life. I can't remember if I was listening to a video or something, but somebody was just like, yeah, you know, they moved the pin. Oh, Smiley on his, he re-in did, like did something about one of the holes. He goes, you know, eight played easier today because the pin or whatever. Maybe it wasn't, I'm not anything about it.

But I was like, it was 63 yards shorter. And they only moved the pin up like nine of those 63. We were hitting, you couldn't get it there with a four-iron. But if you hit like a wood, It was so high in the air. It was probably not going to get there either. And Long Left was so, so, so, so bad. So I was aiming it at the bunker with a forearm trying to rip a draw.

And I hit it pretty good. And I remember when it landed, it was like a yard right of the bunker. And I was begging for a hop into the sand. And it didn't. And then you're like, well, now I got this up and over and down and around. JJ hit in the front left bunkers. So you had like a 50 or probably a little less 30, 40 yard bunker shot. And fatted it out, hooped a 30 foot.

for par and then his deck he hit it long left which was the worst place by a mile and i think he ended up making like like scraping to make a boge it was it was the most obscene whole so typically i would say all three of the long ones are pretty similar but that one with the elevation in any wind i don't fully i don't kind of just don't know what you're supposed to do god that made my night here because i stood on 18 for like 20 30 minutes on Thursday i was like man this is like this is a lot They say the play is long. It's always long. Like what club do I hit long?

Am I just going to send a three word? For those that we're not keeping track at home, here's the yardage on Thursday versus today for all the part three's. So five went from 178 to 150. Eight went from 245 to 198. Yeah, playing into a 25 mile. 14 went from 220 to 199. And 17 went from 241 to 208.

They were all way shorter today. And as a whole, I think, played like a... But we played 14 also the second day, humming into the wind freezing, back team, back, right pin. Like, you can't make the whole longer. And I was talking to JJ about it, but I was just like, I'm all for like this hard, but like, why are, why when you know it's going to be into the wind,

are you stretching it as far as you possibly can? Like, that didn't make loads of stretch. And stock standard, the best part three on the course is the shortest one. It's every time. Do you think they were a little spooked, Max, just by the chatter leading up into it about everyone's going to go super low? Like, do you think they were a little spooked with the early setup? Maybe, but it always makes me laugh because, God, if you just, I think I told you guys this story, but at Mary in my first U.S. Open, shortest, soft, you know, all the rain, whatever. And Nobolo got on TV.

I was with my family watching live from. And he said this will break every record of U.S. Open's ever, majors ever. I looked at my family, I said, if that's true that I am not good enough to play professional, and I need to get a real job. And I was a little worried because I was like, if that is true, I mean, I don't know. I've never played with these guys before, and even part one. So we were walking around, everyone's like, yeah, it's going to be so easy. And as we're playing the practice around, everyone's kind of like, oh, this is like a little,

it's a little tricky. Did you guys think that was hard at that? Yeah, I was like, everyone's like this impossible. All the players like this is impossible. Like, I don't know what we're supposed to do. We played that Wednesday practice around. I was blowing like it was Thursday Friday. We're like, this is impossible.

So maybe they did, but gosh, if that, if that is true, that makes me so mad. It's like, no, you know the answer. Like, you know that's wrong. So just let it happen. The PJ is my favorite majors as far as setups goes because they absolutely never try and make a score happen ever. So I don't think that they necessarily did this year, but I do love that. They don't care. It just could be, could be 22 under.

They let the weather dictate it. I just think it's brilliant because that's how it, not should be, but like it's to the point to the interview you played DJ about Rory's. Like the joke was about the USA because that's literally what we're saying is the opposite. They want a score. And in our and the PJ, they just tend to be like, yeah, we're going to make it this hard. And if the weather is good, it will be this hard. And if it's not, it will be this hard.

And we're cool with 20. We're cool with like this week, which will probably be, I mean, I'm assuming single digits. But yeah, I don't think that they, again, made the pins unfair. And it's so exciting. So like they nailed it. But when you hear a player get interviewed, they're being asked a question about how they feel about the setup.

That's just how we all felt about, or a lot of us felt about the setup. It doesn't mean that it's not super entertaining, but we don't walk to a tournament and say, gosh, I hope this is such an entertaining tournament. It's like, gosh, I hope that my good shots go close so I can win. win the golf tournament. So when your good shots aren't, it just gets a little tilting. That's the only,

that's the thing. And it sucks that there's such a difference, but that is, that is the fun part about these interviews as you get to hear what, how they felt about it. I think they, I think they want the bunch leaderboard too. Like they,

they don't care. I'm thrilled about it. Me too. It's awesome. I, I do, but I, like today,

like CBS struggled to keep up. Like, there was just too much going on different parts of the golf course. Like it, it, um, when there's this many guys involved in the mix, it's just kind of hard to tell the story and kind of create the drama because you just don't know, you know, Smalley drops off. He disappears for a while. I honestly forgot about pot geeter. So did they.

Cause he dropped off. It's, uh, is, it's just, it's a lot. It's a lot of, I'm okay with that on Saturday though. I mean, you know, hopefully Sunday, they can bounce around or, you know, we'll see what happens. But Saturday as a like, with chaos is great. And I, and I'll say this. One thing I've really enjoyed.

the last three days is I think 16, 17, 18 has been an awesome finish. So 16 has awesome like electricity. And I mean, Eagle is very like, like, you know, Ludwig almost made Eagle there. Like just a lot of action at 16. And then 17 and 18, Dij, we got to hit the shots, baby. Have to. You know, have to hit the shots. Like guys can come backwards and I like that.

I like, I like that uphill finish with 18. It's a, it's just a nice three-hole stretch there. I'm hoping for some fireworks tomorrow. It's been fun, Neil. We're recording a big Pete Dye podcast this week. And Pete Dye was famously a massive Donald Ross guy, spent some time with him at Pinehurst. And there's all these little nuggets. And the two things that come to mind from the Pete Dye research about Donald Ross is he's like, one of my biggest goals ever is just is to make puts that look like they're straight that are not straight.

He's like nothing drives people crazier than that. And that's what I kept thinking about with watching Scotty today, the put that you were talking about with ROM. There's so many, like, there's so much crazy stuff going on that when you, it looks like you have a straight putt finally, Max, I'm projecting here. But there has to be a little bit of like a overreading it. There has to be something in this, which way, like just a home final kind of mind fuck. And then the last thing is he's like par 5, 16th, hard par 317th and a big par 4 finishing 18th. Like that's that's the combo. That's the trio.

That's the yeah. I'm thinking about like, oh, sawgrass. Oh, Kiowa. Oh, like all these different places. I'm like, oh, that, yeah, that pops up in a lot of places. I got a question, boys. Do you think that the putts that, you know, you would probably be able to eyeball read pretty easy are tricky when there's like slight dropoffs off the back of the green? You know how like most greens are back to front?

But then there's just weird like, yeah, it's almost like an unsettling thing because you'll be pin high. And this is breaking towards the front of the green. But you kind of look to look to. the side, you're like, but the green runs off there. I always wonder if that messes with your eyes. I'm a little green illiterate to begin with. I find Northeast greens to be super, they're just the way a lot of them on the classic Northeast courses, they sit in slopes so much that like I find it hard to find my level. Like, you're not, you know, reading the slope of the green is hard because there's so much slope just going on in the general area of the green, beyond the green. And so, like,

trying to find like a flat put anywhere in that I find to be super challenging like everything just kind of like you're on the deck of the Titanic and also they're greens that were not designed to be played at 12 or whatever you guys are playing them at you know it's like yeah but we need to play faster which is you digs oh took the words out of my mouth uh Neil I don't think there's ever been a better night in the history of this podcast to play lingerie or loitering. Oh for sure. Yeah definitely we got to max so lingering loitering Lingering is like they're just hanging around the convenience store, but they're not really a threat. They're loitering is they have, they might have the baseball bat in the trunk and it's like they're mean mugging the guy.

We can't have them here. I appreciate you explaining that to me, but like I'm a long time fan of this show. Okay. Well, no, but I feel like I just said. Neil and Sean are brothers. He's bed sparking here for you. And Strawns, that is real name. All right, Alex Smalley.

shout him out. Who do you got? I don't know if he's either, right? I think he's lingering. I think he's loitering. Really? People aren't going to want to hear it. I think he's loitering.

I was so impressed with the back nine today. I don't think he's going to win. I don't think he's going to win either, but I think he's loitering. Okay. Yeah, I don't think he's going to eject. So I would say loitering. I think he's going to top three, but I don't think he's going to win. I mean, he's never won a PGA tour event.

A couple runner-ups. You know. Yeah. Ludwig, provocative one here. Yeah. I think Ludwig's lingering as well. I do. I just, I've seen, I hate to say it because I root for him, but I, the Sundays have not been good this year.

And the putter has not looked very good this week. And I mean, even today felt like some missed opportunities, man. Like, he had a couple of. He may miss a shorty on 11, I think, or 12, three put on 12 from like 15 feet. It's just kind of sloppy. And he's T2. So, I mean, maybe he got it out of the system, but I'm going to go with lingering. I'm going to say loitering.

I think Ludwig could be one of the great benefactors of slightly easier conditions tomorrow. I felt like every time the conditions got even a little bit easy this week, Friday afternoon when he was playing in and kind of in the middleish part of his round today, like he was just on offense. I, it could be Loveg's day tomorrow. I, I'm still, despite the craziness of it so far, the big names, the Rom, Ludwig, Rory thing is, give me those three versus the field. I don't know what the math would say on that, but I would definitely take those three verses.

I mean, it's crazy because you didn't get Xander at three under two. See, I think, I think with Ludwig is the, with easier conditions, I don't think the start benefits him much. So if he gets off to a good start, I like love his chances, but if he doesn't beat up the beginning. He's like made for the back nine, in my opinion. You have to like drive the life out of it.

It's longer irons. His like game isn't, not that it's not still good, but like the best parts of his game are like driving and like kind of like Rory, like the longer stuff. And I think if it plays easier, you're going to have to be like very, very, very on it with the middle stuff. But the back nine lends it to what he does,

which is like, holes like 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, you know. So it's like, that's, I'd be curious. I think if he's a couple under going to the back, he would be such a good guy. But I'm so curious, like, if people are going to shoot six under, you know, I think he's separated because, or he was playing, he's playing so well because it's so freaking hard.

But it's like he's a robot. But it's like, can you make enough birdies, you know, tomorrow? That's where I'm so fast. God, he was, he was first. Tita Green today. What I'm saying? Worth off the teak. And I'm based, I mean, maybe I'm, I'm biased because I watched them play the front on Thursday,

watched nine holes of them, and it was so sloppy. Yeah, it's just been a bipolar week for, um, for Ludwig. This brings me no pleasure. And I'm bummed that you guys are passing the, passing the potato to me to be this guy. He is lingering until proven otherwise. That's what I'm not, you're, I'm right there with you. You know, and it's, it's, I hate to be that guy, but, We watched, we watched the players, we watched the masters.

We've watched a couple, a couple spots now where it's been, it's been concerning, concerning Sundays. And I love Ludwig and I love his game. And I hope he wins 10 majors, starting tomorrow. That would be great. But it's got to call balls and strikes a little bit on, man, it hasn't been good when the lights have been, when the lights have been brightest. So, yeah.

Yeah. How do I say this? The parts that he's screwing up, though, I'm like, you probably won't do that again tomorrow. Like you're still hitting it so good. You're putting itself in all these proper positions. You shouldn't have missed that put. He should have three putt of that.

You also can Loki get away with a lot of it there. Right? Like he's not hitting into the middle of the pond. Seventy second and putting. It's lost 0.3 to the field. Yeah. I don't know. Let me throw you next.

Zander Schoffley. Loitering big time. Yeah. He has to be loaded. Of course. Of course. Solly, what other events of Zander have coming up?

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John Rom, I just, I think we're loitering unless anybody speak now or hold your hold your peace. Of course. I think he's got one of those bats with the spikes on them in the Nick Taylor. Sally, we'll throw that one to you, brother. Lingery. I just look this up.

He is the fewest, Bogies in the field this week. He has three bogeys for the week. No doubles. He's only made seven birdies. He has 44 pars in 54 holes, which is also leading the field. But I don't know what that means other than I just think he's lingering.

He's just around. We've seen him close the deal multiple times. Canadian Open, waste management. I say loitering, Dege. I feel like Nick Taylor's sticking around. I hear you. I respect what you're saying. felt the same way about Phoenix, right?

I remember that one vividly. It's like, oh, fucking Nick Taylor's not going to win. And he just slammed the door. Yes. He's a closer. But, man, there's a lot of- Nick Taylor PGA champion doesn't sound wrong to me. Hold on. Hold on.

19- Big events. 19 career majors, 12 missed cuts, one top 25. That was a T-23. That's his major record. I don't know if Nick Taylor PGA champion makes a lot of sense to me based on that major.

I believe three times. PGA tour winner? He's five time PJs. Five time player on the week. He's not some walk on scrub. And he busted his butt for you, solid.

Something more bulletin board of it too. I'll say he's loitering too, deal. Yeah, let's go. You whip me around on that one. Just not everybody can be loitering. It's kind of the problem.

Aaron Rye. We heard P. say you can't play robot golf out there. I thought that was a previous stuff. Was he taking a shot? That was a something. to eat of Aaron Rye. As somebody that only watches golf through spreadsheets, I got to take Aaron Rye.

He's a, he's a bad, bad man. Love what this guy's about. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to say lingering based on what we saw in 18 there when the with the temp got a little turned up and he hit the quacker on 18. I was a little bummed. I was like,

ha, it kind of stinks that this is the last hole of his round. I kind of want to see what would happen if we, if we had four more holes. I'm on loitering. I love it. Because I think tomorrow's going to be a precision fest and he's precision boy. I love it.

Maddie Schmidt. Max, I'm going to be honest. I don't know. You're going to fill me in on Maddie Schmidt a little bit. He's sick. He bombs it high. He likes his three more than his driver, but they both go so far. Yeah, just a good solid golfer.

I don't think he's been around the lead a ton. But yeah, he just, you know, he's just your kind of new age, good golfer, high ball, ball flight, low spit. and good at pretty much everything. I'm not sure his short games of the best. Seventh and putting this week. Looks like he's. I'm not sure he's chipping,

but the chipping thing gets mitigated out here. He putts a lot if I remember right off from off the green. But around here it's sort of chip. Nobody chips good. Yeah. He has played. This is his fifth major championship. Only his second since 2021.

He finished 69th in the Open Championship last year. They're going to be monitoring the shirt tucked in or untucked. Oh, man, it comes out so fast. I'll be all over that time. That's all I was watching. All over that time. Cracking me up with the players. It's like, God, man, this guy's just not even trying to tuck that thing in.

It wasn't just the back. It's the whole thing. It's great. All right, Rory McElroy. Somebody give me the case. Rory's lingering. Rory's a fraud. Come on.

So someone give it to me. This guy's scared. He's totally scared. He's afraid of the moment. Yeah. That's right. Now I'm going to say probably loitering. Zander Shafley, we talked about briefly. Max, can you just go off on Zander a little bit?

Because I feel like we always get to Zander. And I'm always like, it's kind of like Scotty, man. I don't know. I don't have a lot to say. He's just kind of good at everything. He's good at winning. He was hurt. And now he seems like he's back.

But I feel like I just run through my stump speech on Zander really quick. Yeah, he's a lot like a Rory and a Ludwig to me because he, it's a very far. it quite well. And he's very good. Yeah. Yeah, he's a very good like mid to long iron player and like a tremendous putter, like tremendous putter. His one bugaboo,

I don't know if it's gotten better, but like from a year ago, it's like his wedges weren't the best. So it's kind of, but when you play as well as he does in every other area, especially with the driving, it kind of doesn't matter. And he's just super stoic.

And like obviously he was always like, he was always like, he's very similar to Kim. young, you know, everyone would give him grief, but we're not winning more. And you're just like, man, but like, look at this career in 10 years and, you know, he will have, like, it was just so obvious. And so obviously he's figured that out. So he just is very solid. No one's Scotty, for the most part. Like, nobody's, everything at max out, but he's very close, like, like those other just mega top guys. He's, and then his mind just seems like he just knows how to play the game. He's like a bomber, but he didn't grow up like that.

So he's got the mindset of a, you know, golfer. And it's just very nice. And the way he puts is around that place tomorrow, I think will be like very great. Like it's a high level skill to have for what they're going to have to do to make their birdies tomorrow. And he could do it, especially if the weather's cooperating. He could have more 10, 12 footers for bird instead of the big crazy 30 footers. what's he like behind third and driving fifth and putting

he's fourth and driving accuracy as well and he's hitting it far like he's just if the iron's got to cooperate he's got it this is not a Sunday of the BJ championship question but what's he like behind the scenes I feel like you guys spend a lot of time together and nobody like nobody knows anything about him

yeah I know it's so sad he's like one of the better shit talkers he's very funny and quick and witty it is so funny him and Pat are such good friends because Pat doesn't talk a whole lot, obviously. But it's almost like he's just, he's just funny.

He's easy going. I've known him for such a long time. We played Southern California Junior Golf against each other forever. And he's always been really, really good. And I didn't really get to know him too well until like, you know, a little more than a handful of years ago.

And yeah, he's just one of the best dudes. As a kid, you know, whatever now. And it's like funny seeing him have to change, you know, change him be dad, Zander, because he was always just golf zander. But yeah, he doesn't have like major hobbies and stuff. He just works really hard. And then he'll just bust your chops pretty much anytime he's got a chance.

He's great. Likes trees, Deed. He does like trees. Maybe he and Pat like trees together. We can't, we can't call off the can't lay watch. The storm, the storm has passed.

No offense. I know he's just, I was, I was keeping you guys. I said, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't warn you. He might play well this week and he did play well for a very long time. No, he did shoot 74 today.

Yeah. I would play four rounds, Dej. That's right. You're the little boy who cried wolf. Now the next watch is just going to get brushed aside. F5 can't lay would come and rip your guys his fucking house apart. That's the whole thing. You don't have to worry about that.

We don't have to worry about that. That's all right. Mav. McNeely, what is Mavs' major record? What's Mav's best finish in a major? T-18 at the Masters. He's coming off his best finish at a major. Has zero top tens.

It's taking a long time to get it. Get it in gear at the majors. Max, I don't mean for this to be a backhanded question. Took you a long time to get it in gear at the majors. What's that, what's that like? What's that transition like? We'll project on MAV a little bit. Yeah, his is shorter than mine.

So I think like it's just the time. You start getting amped up for them too much probably. So I don't think he's in that boat. So he's just really good. He's had a great career before turning pro. He's been really good the last few years. He's good at everything. Like, you know, in the game, like he's solid everywhere.

Tremendous short game in putter. The putting thing, I love that for this golf course. So, but yeah, I doubt it's gotten to the point of like bugaboo. It's probably just, you know, need some more reps at it. Yeah. It also seems like maybe the most like well-adjusted person on the plane. Yeah, he's just the best dude ever. And honestly, having his brother on the bag is probably even better.

They're, like, lovely to be around. Yeah. I think there's something to potentially of, you know, when you got the two weekend late tea times, like getting, you know, almost the puke and rally out of the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Of like, oh, I just did that on Saturday. You know, I, you know, I slept.

I, the anxiousness started Friday night now that getting into it Sunday. It's got to feel a little easier, I would think. That's projecting, of course. I love, I always like look at that as the guy who was in a big spot and didn't, like what small he did today, but was in a big spot didn't play well, but then it's still like there. Whereas it's just more just pattern. Like Nick Taylor is a baller and like a really good closer, but I always, it's always hard when the guy goes and shoots super low on a Saturday and then comes out Sunday because it's, you know, it's just like, it's just, it's uncommon. It's not that it's... He's thinking like, I'm never going to miss again.

You know, I found it. Now he's got to go play with, you know, near... I don't know. It's just to your point, Sully, like Mav got through a tough day and he's still very much involved. P rounds us out at 3 under for if we're still playing lingering and loitering. I am all in on loitering. Yeah, for sure. It's made a career out of loitering.

I think so as well. There is... I's got a rap sheet real long, okay? He's a known quantity in these parts. I'll say lingering. Can you be a three-strike felon for loitering so often? Keeps getting arrested for loitering, even though they did that. Saul, you want to say lingering?

Yeah, I'll say, what's the bear case? It's just been too, too much, too, too fluffy on P. I don't think he's. It was in a similar situation at the Masters and kind of kicked it away. That would be the case. But yeah, it's fun. It's fun. It is fun.

You gotta admit it's fun. Yeah. It's so fun. I cannot believe we're at a point where we're just giving so much better for the doubt to P. Like, it's an amazing turnaround here. It is. It is. It's crazy.

I want to live in that world, though, Sali. I'm making that a reality. How about Justin Rose is 65? I didn't see that today. Holy Shartsky. Very good 65 from Team Rose. I know DJ is trumping out the big thing to get there. One thing on P that we haven't mentioned yet this week, obviously a lot of time off, right?

He's the only person talked openly about coming up last week, spent four days on site, said he played it three days in completely different conditions each time. If there's anybody prepared into all the Rory Masters prep haters out there, he learned. And we'll see, this is a Sunday. I think if you could have drawn it up like this is kind of the way that he thought he would be.

More malfeasance from P, alleged here. That's right. Playing all these unfair rounds. Play practice rads. Yeah. I hate it. All the PJ Tor guys have to play all these signature events. Yeah.

That's right. He's just out there practicing. So Rose, so he just got it on the front nine and held on tight. The getting was good early. And Rose was part of the, part of the gittin. This is all news to me. I'm just looking at the scorecard. That's, that's, that's, uh, can you?

How the, how the irons look, Dege? Uh, I didn't, I didn't watch super closely on, uh, he kind of came out of nowhere. I'll be honest with you. I was going to catch up on the app later later today, the team Rose app, uh, speed grounds over there. I figured you'd be on the boards. Yeah. No, I'm saving it. I'm saving. I got my alerts turned off for today. Can I? Yeah. If we're if we're done with this game, can I have a tribute question by you guys? Please. Please. There's like 40 more people we can do. I know. I don't think this could be all night. Smalley could become the 10th player or

Smalley is the 10th player since 95 to hold the outright 54 whole lead of a major despite not having a single PGA tour win on his resume. Only one of those previous nine held on to win. Who would that be? Any major? Any major, yeah. So there's been, yeah, there's been nine since 1995 that have held the 54 whole lead without having won a PGA tour event.

I'm not looking at the answer. I have a guess. I got a guess. Is it not Keegan? Ben Curtis was not in the lead going into that one. but Thomas Bjorn was. And so he was on the list. But yeah, that's incorrect.

But the 03 open is on the list, Neil. But I'd say that and think along the lines of Thomas Bjorn. And that it's kind of... Can I get my guess? Yeah. Louis Oostezen? You got it. Wow.

Hell yeah. That feels so good, boys. I've had a win in so long. Oh, my God. I might be loitering. That felt so good. Max, we need to get you like a Thursday game. Come on, let's get some small wins.

They add up the big things. That's a good one. Good question. That's, of course, a lot of sports bureau there. We've got, I think, 11 guys at minus two. That's all. Is minus two too far back? How far back is too far back?

No, I really don't know if there's too far back. I think it, I mean, So many guys, like you said, it's just a, you know, like we said Thursday. It's like the Peloton. There's going to be a bike crash at minus. What's the winning score? Someone give me a winning score.

I'm sitting at seven. I was going to say eight, but I like seven better. We have such a good like, what is the playoff rules for PGA? Because it's happening. Three holes, I think, right? Sick. Three whole aggregate. I hope it's still the three hole aggregate.

It is three whole aggregate. That's right. What was the last time they had that? 22. JT and Zellator. Oh, that's right. Yes. Yeah.

What was the last time they had it before that? It would be... Was it the cat? Was it Kimer? Kimer and 10. I think it probably was. Oh, Kegan and Duffner were 11. Oh, yeah.

Rory was 12. Duffner 13. Rory 14. Yeah, I think that's right. Hmm. Yeah. It hasn't been very many. No. I think, yeah, I think seven probably, probably would do it.

Which on these 16, 17, 18, that would be an awesome three-hole agony. Oh, man. Like so. I'm rooting for a playoff. Don't have to root real hard, man. Yeah, exactly. An 80% chance. So if it's, okay, if it's seven, then one of these guys has to shoot 65.

Min Wooley. Which is out there, a ton of 65s today. You know, what, not one? There were 565. today. That's a lot. Yeah. I think that's going to,

that number is going to be, like the 565s will be like the 564s tomorrow. Like, just knock it down a number. If, all right, you guys tell me. Why do you say that just because the,

I just think it's going to be easy. Yeah, I just can't tell you how hard that it is to get to pins when it's like calm, let alone windy. So, yeah. If those were the scores, I could see quite it.

Like, someone's going down low tomorrow or at least, like, they could be crazy low through like 12 holes, 13 holes. Okay. So is Scotty too far back at minus 1 in T23? I'm surprised Scottie didn't win the truest, not even playing.

That man can do anything. Scottie's probably going to finish second, is if I've learned him. But I do not think he's too far back. I don't think he's going to win, but I do not think he's too far back. Scotty's got to be like the, I got to look this up, but he's got to be the guy this year in like final round score. Yeah, he's leading Saturday and Sunday. right yeah i mean just throwing that pebble round

in is what immediately comes to mind for me but like he's just yeah i don't think he's going to go lay an egg tomorrow but it is going to take a good one 66th and putting for the week he's lost almost four shots just the last two days alone you guys there was class today was tough this feels like a pretty big missed opportunity for scotty but um

you think they ever win another one probably I'm going to keep picking him to win them I know that for Cam Young too it was where do you shoot 73 or second

72 but bogey on 18 after Bertie 15 and 6th I didn't see much of his his round and then JT as well I was I was kind of thinking JT was going to make a little bit of noise Cam Young has to be tired like there has to play a part. Sure. You would think. Right? Like the three, the three big events in a row, winning one,

playing great in the other one, playing good here. Like, that just has to be a lot. T-Ireth. T-Ewen. It is wild just in that T-11 group. Like, we can't talk about everybody tonight. Christopher Rayton, right-hand, Chris Kirk, Joaquin Neiman. We haven't talked about Martin Kimer. Absolutely bouncing the fuck back shot 60s. Yeah, how about that? Today's T-11. Bud Collie. She'd get an extra steak dinner for that. him hit a shot. Ben Griffin is right there. Cameron Smith is T-11 right now. 68. That's fun. Min Wu Lee, Max Grazerman. Haddecki had 71 today, fell back a little bit and got her up all at T-11. Grazerman was up there in the lead for a little while. Yeah, he kind of did it. He had the, man.

He was doing the worm too, Dee. He was hitting the dougie. He was. Yeah, he was. Had the shopping cart going. Yeah. Not the best dance moves, but he was in the circle. No, people were watching. Yeah. Hadeki remains the weirdest golfer ever. I played with him in the first few days. It was lovely. I was going to ask about that. It's just truly every single week is like,

his first shot. You can tell me he missed a cut by a mile and you can tell me like he's leading after 54 holes. Both of those, I'd be like, oh, okay. He played like shit last week. So you got on the first hole, and I'm really curious what we're going to get from him. And he hasn't driven it that great this year from what I've seen.

And we get the first hole, which I think is pretty easy, like off the tee. like as far as nerves or whatever. It was playing downwind and off the right maybe. So pretty fun like little T-shot that kind of bends to the left. And he snap hooked it out of bounds.

It hit a tree, I think, and kicked back in. And I was like, man, this guy's in a tough spot. And then he beat me by 15. It was a very fun opening hole because I thought he was out of bounds. I couldn't really believe they weren't given a sign.

So he had a provisional. It was kind of net. It was right up the middle. It was necky. I was like, man, it's going to be tough. I piped mine. I loved it. Mine's in the rough by a yard up the right.

His is as bad an angle as you could ever have. But like, well in place. I was like, man, that's a lucky break. But what a tough hole this is going to be. It's a front of green two putts. I had it on two putt. And I was just like, man, this game is just the worst game ever. He hits a couple like really weird snap hooks, but he also he put it incredible.

He has the best short game. I mean, he's up there with like the top five, ten guys I could think of. But he's put it. so well and he hits his iron so so well so it's just very funny but yeah he's an interesting cat man it doesn't seem to affect week to week he just will find it and then be off i don't know it's very fascinating yeah max what's the uh not your best this week if i if i may say if i thank you i think you're better than this year yeah thank i think i think you're better than that uh tell us about take us to a little bit on the on the state of your game kind of what's your uh how you're feeling about

things where you are in your kind of swing progression and things and what's your what's your prognosis for the rest of the season uh i don't know it's pretty shitty but uh haven't ironed it well at all and then i've driven it a little bit better lately i really like the way i put my short games felt the best it's felt i've just been in such precarious spots i feel like i'm a one or two swings uh bad every round that just kill me um so that's been tough mental games been horrible So prognosis is I do would I'm very looking forward to like a little break to like recharge the old batteries like the emotional batteries. But I've had some like really like inspiring practice days and practice rounds. I mean like a tournament's but then like Quill Hollow.

I mean my Wednesday prime was like remarkable. And then I got out on Thursday and was just like, well, what is happening? So yeah. There's something in there. Like I know there is. but it's just been pretty shit. So looking forward to, like I said, a break and then hopefully find a little. But when the irons click, I'm pretty excited because, like I said, putting short game, driving all feel quite good.

But again, I'm one bad, like I hit in the water, I think every single day at Quahalo. So it's just like, man, and it comes out of left here. I got a two-way miss going so that, you know, guys know how that is. That's fun. You guys, you guys, you guys never know. I know. I know you guys. I know you guys know better too.

Are you feel like you're playing golf swing? Honestly, not really. I'm just confused. So like when you're playing really well, I think you always know how to hedge away from a miss, like a side. And I don't have a great strategy for it at the moment because if I feel like I hedge away from left,

I can hit it like way right. And when I just swing at times, it just goes left. Like this week goes a perfect example. I grinded really hard on Thursday. I played really well, honestly, pretty well on Thursday. I was quite pleased with it. Didn't really do anything to make enough putts,

like to make enough putts to make birdies and get going, like offense. The irons weren't, I wasn't hitting anything close, but I did a really good job. I thought it was a fine round. I was three over heading to 17. I should have birdied two or three of the holes on that back.

And then, um, yeah, 17's like, you know, 225 or whatever in off the left. And, um,

I, you can't really miss it right there to that pin and, and have a good, look at par. So I'm trying to just sneak it just left of that flag. And I thought I made an okay swing and it just was too far left and then goes in the lake and you make a double. And it's just like, man, now I'm five over starting tomorrow when it's blowing 25 and 50. And it's just hard to feel like that like buzz to, I don't know, get something going. But like that's, that's the game right now. It's just the not bad swings are very bad results or not far off, I guess, swings. And they just come out of

left field. So it's just weird. But I don't think I'm playing too much cause here. I'm just a little confused when I do hit those shots because I don't. Again, it's like I get to the next one and I don't know exactly what it was. Well, the last time I saw you was on Saturday at Augusta, you didn't see me. Well, we don't know that. No, he might have just blown you up. Yeah, I haven't, I haven't told you this yet. But I was like, oh shit, there's Max. You're playing really well. You just got up and down from behind 17 green. And You got to tell us who's standing it.

No, you got to tell them who's standing around you. What do you mean? Well, there's a bunch of people like, oh, that's Neil. Like, watch, watch, Neil's going to say hi to him. And I went and stood by the entrance when they put the ropes up to get between 17 green and 18T. And I went and stood like right on the corner. And I was like, I'm going to say what's up to Max?

And I was like, here we go, Max. And I felt like you just looked right through me. And you did, I don't know if you saw me. I did not. I did. I did. I did from a far here, you didn't say anything. Couldn't see.

And then everybody. everybody was like, oh shit. I was like, fuck, man. And I just kind of like walked away. It was so sick. To be, first off, sorry. You played awesome that day. So that's why I brought it up.

To be fair to... Right when I seem lately to look and give the time of day to anybody who's not a child, it seems to just backfire. They say something weird. And I'm now gun shy.

because I'm sure 99% of time it's somebody like you, Neil, just trying to be nice and cool, but it seemed to look up and, like I said, Augusta is wrong, but it's always somebody with a phone out for like a fist bump. I'm really anti-fist bump filming culture. It is the weirdest thing to me in the world. And I obviously, I have the barstool like AWL crowd and they're great, but they yell a lot of bizarre things at me. So I've just been keeping my head down. But I'm just, to be fair, Neil, I've just been in a shitty mood for like two years. So it's like hard to, it's hard to really like look out. I don't want, I don't want you to feel bad about it.

I thought it was hilarious. Like, damn, and I should have said like, I was like, I didn't. You can't change your, I need to hear your actual voice. We, Joe and I used to play a game. He was like, how many voices do you think you could? Yeah. It wasn't. You know, it was a bad, it was a bad pass by me.

I get a lot of the pros. Those are always great. Oh, I got a story to tell you all. I'm going to keep it. We can do it on here because he's definitely listening. and it was hilarious, but he doesn't know. You guys have a friend who has, he's a big NLU guy. He caddied at Hilton Head Pro Am in a no laying up shirt.

And you guys know him. I'm not going to air him out, but as someone's dad, like, that's how you guys talk to him. He caddied for Ludwig in me and Ludwig's group that day. They had Ludwig on the front nine or whatever, first nine, me on the second nine. That was the day that the live, Piff thing came out. And he shows me his phone from your guy's Slack. So I'm reading the little headline. Right above it, I see my name. So I was like, what is that? So I just gave it a quick like thumb scroll. This is his phone. His account. It was something like Ludwig's flushing it,

nine of nine greens, uh, max a lot more chaotic or something. And I was like sick, dude, handing him his phone. I don't think he didn't always saw it until he listens to this. I was like, what the fuck is this world? I'm playing this nice fucking pro-am with you guys, giving tips to all the guys, trying to fucking be good. And here I am getting an aired out on a max, a little chaotic. Maxal chaotic. I went back through it. I hit like, I hit seven greens, two fringes.

I was like, it's pretty decent. Whatever. But man, that made me laugh. But yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at, Neil. You know, I actually was like, I shouldn't say anything. It was like, no, I'm going to say, I didn't want to get in your flow. And then so it worked out the way it should have. You were dialed, man.

You hit a great drive off 18. You played your ass off at Augusta. And if I meant, you were in my lineup for Augusta. Hell yeah. One of his 30 lines is not about 30 lineups, Max. Oh, that doesn't mean. So much money. I mean, like 35 bucks, I think that way.

Hell, yeah, let's go. Then he had a bunch of burners when you didn't play well at Guilohlo. Totally fair. Totally fair. It's very understandable. All right. I'm going to move us towards, We can talk trade if you guys want.

We got a, oh, I got a big trade hitting the market on, is it Monday yet? I can't, I can't wait. No, it's already gone through.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I thought you were giving, giving way more players to T.C. That was such a lopsided trade for towards me. That was a great trade. That's what he keeps telling you.

And he's, that was fine trade. Anyways, one name, can only name one name. This was a lot easier without T. Here tonight. Who's going to win tomorrow?

Right. Bram. got to pick rom not to win i'm so stuck right but i said this i got to go clip the tape i said i'm super nervous to pick john rom as the player who won't win but i do think he's going to finish second and so that is that's a lie that is quite the call yeah um yeah give me give me zander sure why not i'm gonna go i'm gonna i'm gonna zag here i'm gonna go with zander i'll take rory i think he uh i think he gets it done um Cody, I believe we have a giveaway tonight.

Is that, is that true? That is true. Thank you, Sully. In order of the pro graceness with the presence. We went with the pro hashtag tonight. I appreciate everybody coming through the live show. There we go. Get it up there.

If you could, Sully, normal. You know, thumbs up. Like, subscribe, Speil. Oh, yeah. Hit the like button. Hit the subscribe button for the Nolangup podcast YouTube channel. We are greatly appreciate of everybody that watches live. and the winner of the pro shop credit at Weary.

Mike Weary. Come on down, email, Cody screenshot it, whatever. Send it over to Cody and he will get you squared away with some pro shop credit. Any party thoughts? Are we ready to get to Sunday? Max, thanks for joining us. Yeah, this is great. Honestly, thank you guys for us.

Chopping it up with you, brother. Always great. Always great. Thank you to our friends at Titleist High Noon and Travelers. Cody run the ones and twos, Matt, running the social as well. Max, for joining us for an hour and a half and everybody that's tuned in here live. We're going to be back.

Give us a little time after play concludes tomorrow, give us some pressers, and we just go a little later on Sunday nights, but we'll be live to recap the end of the PGA championship. Max, you're welcome to join tomorrow night if you want as well. I probably can. Okay. I'm doing all right. Thanks, everyone for tune in.

We'll see you tomorrow. Cheers. Cheers.