No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1161: Aaron Rai and the PGA Championship

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

Aaron Rai wins the 108th PGA Championship at Aronimink by three over Jon Rahm and Alex Smalley. We break down all the events of the week. What does this mean for Rai moving forward? No big-name charges? Who did Aronimink favor? Plus, Lottie Woad wins at Maketewah. We run down the leaderboard, cover some news and notes, talk Coldest Moment, and a whole bunch more. Presented by Titleist. Titleist - #1 Ball in Golf High Noon - Sun's Up! H&B - NLU10 at https://www.hbgolf.com Looking to travel this year, check out East Sands Golf Co.: https://www.eastsandsgolf.co/nlu Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf The NLU email newsletter: bi-monthly updates on all things NLU: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/subscribe Join The No Laying Up Nest: https://nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Live show

presented by our friends at Titleist. We are going to put the 2026 PGA championship in the books. Aaron Rye is your champion. I am solid joined here by my guy, Mr. DJ Pye. Hello, DJ. Hello, Sally. Good to be with you. What a week.

What a week. In a lot of ways, we got a lot, a lot to talk about and a lot of different directions we can go. Many different ways we could go. TC is here. Hello, TC. Hello, gentlemen. Double-gloving it tonight for the audio listeners.

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And my man slammed the door. Okay, there's a lot of, we're going to get to a lot of stuff tonight. And there's going to be a lot of, what is this PJ championship? Oh, my, Aaron Rye went out and absolutely took it. He was, uh, he was, I think he was, he was three under through eight, like for the week. Yes. Uh, and ended up finishing at nine under. So you go ahead and do the math there.

He eagled nine. What a shot in there. Cashed a 40 footer. Bertie's 11. Bertie's 13, birdie 16, drains a 68 footer on 17 that I think. think the entire golf world was just aghast by i think once that went in i mean it was just just insane stuff to go up by four and and slam the door and claim his first major championship a couple stats if you'll allow me uh the first english winner we're going to have some fun with this

tonight i think first english winner of the pga championship in the stroke play era first english winner of the pga since tc's guy long jim barnes in 19 i believe he also won in 196 and then they had to wipe out a bunch of them for World War I. Aaron Rye is the, this is a great stat. First PGA champion in history to lower his score in each round. Started with a 70, shot 69 in round two,

67 in round three, and of course a 65 today. That has only happened seven times at major championships, not since Marco Mirra's at the 98 Masters. It kind of fits his whole thing of like getting better every year. Exactly. He said he's gotten better every single year since 2018. God, I'm proud of you, T.C.

You want to talk set up so bad right now, but we are musling the set-up talk until later. I know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. That was a wide, no setup talk challenge here. There was a wide opening. He is the first non-American to win the PJ since Jason Day back in 2015. We talked about that on the preview show. Last 10 winners of the PJ Championship have all been U.S. Americans.

He's the first European to win the PGA since Rory McElroy in 2014. This is a good stat I saw floating around. First time since the Masters started in 1934 that the Europeans have won the first two majors of the season. How about that? That's kind of a mindblower, huh? Yeah, that's crazy. I guess it was, yeah. Last one, last one I got, as you may have been confused because my, you know,

my man was pummeling the golf ball, 330. down the stretch. I think he hit it like 3.30. Listen, I know the fairways are firm out there. I know there's some downhill shots. I know the ball's rolling. I think he hit it 338 there on 16. It's the par 5 and then I think he hit it 330 on 18. I know he was juiced up.

Aaron Rye ranks 160th out of 166 on the PGA tour in driving distance this year. Let me give you the rundown of the people that he is ahead of. Okay. These are the only people on the PJ tour. He hits it farther than Lucas Glover. TGL player Lucas Glover. Davis Chatfield, Matt Cocher.

Davis' incestation, Davis Chatfield, like five foot five. Davis Chatfield, Matt Coacher, Andrew Putnam, Brian Campbell, and Brand Cetaker. Those are the only guys that hit it shorter than your PJ champion, Aaron Rye. So, Sally, I say to you, make sense of this for me. We live in a world where Aaron Rye is a major champion. He's obviously a very good player. Obviously, we know he works hard. How did this happen?

I do not direct that question to me. It's one of the most perplexing major championships I've covered. We've ever covered, I think, trying to figure out what exactly just happened here. Again, this is backwards looking. This is not like, hey, what you guys thought the golf course was going to play like. We are looking backwards at like what was favored here. What was the test? What happened this past week?

The golf course favored bombers, not like drastically, but it was it favored driving distance over accuracy. and it was a massive putting contest huge almost all the variance of this tournament came out of the putting you just mentioned aaron rye 160th out of 166 guys on tour and driving distance uh and he's also a below average putter like well below average putter like maybe you think like oh he's an accurate player he's scrappy with the wedges and it puts it really well hasn't putted it very well and he won this golf tournament going away like slam the door made the last hour of it non-existent uh even if you had told me like looking backwards uh forget how wrong we were in our all our predictions pre-term it.

Looking backwards, here's what we know about how it played out. I don't think he would have been in my top 100 guys that I would have said like, oh, yeah, he's about to win this thing. Like, it is... So he played Myrtle Beach last week. It's unbelievable.

It's crazy. It's crazy. He was 39th off the T on the back of 68% driving accuracy. And he was second in approach play. And he rolled the rock. He played great this week. He did roll the rock.

And it seems like he had... I do not mean this for as a backhanded thing on the on the Rory stuff. There's a lot of, we're not talking set up. But he seemed like he had a plan for how he's, how he's playing the golf course. You know, even you get to 15,

like monster par four. And he's hitting less than driver because he knows that green is massive. And if he's in the fairway, he's going to make a four. And that's exactly what happened. You know, and he didn't, he didn't freak out when,

when he got to the top of the leaderboard, he just kind of stayed to his plan and just executed the F out of it. I mean, it's just, it's, it's crazy. How he goes down the stretch. What hole did he hit that, like, low slinging hook? Was that 10? He hit one of those on 18 yesterday. I was sick.

Like, oh, yeah, 18. But like he, you know, like he hit the little carvey slinging hook on 10 and got it running down the hill a little bit. Like, there was some shot making. Yeah. And yeah, you mentioned that he, he averaged 304 and a half yards off the tea today. which was 63rd in the field today. You also probably get more three woods today than the other guys.

Yeah, that's including all T shots. Yeah, that's that's on everything, including the other three wouldy hit off all 15. But no, it, it's, yeah, again, we're going to get to set up stuff. I promise, I don't know you guys waiting for that. But we did, people are frothing for set of stuff.

All the other best players in the world today and all weekend, like not execute the shots he hit. Right? I mean, it's, we'll definitely have some issues with how this was set up and how this tournament played out. But at the same time, you're all playing for the Bonamaker once you get it going and one person, like, made the leap. Like, I want to say it was impossible for anyone to make a run or make a move today based on what we saw. We saw somebody do it. It was just a guy we weren't expecting to happen.

And you have to tip your cap. And it's weird and it's awkward because it just doesn't, you want the major championship stories to make sense from a narrative standpoint. point of like, oh, it's Tommy Fleetwood's time. It's Justin Rose. You know, he needed a second major here. Ludwig, you know, it's supposed to make sense based on everything we've seen coming of it into it. And this one makes absolutely no sense, even less sense than JJ Spahn makes. But that's why, you know, I want to say that's why we love golf at the same time as wasn't the most exciting watch. But look, these things can happen in majors. They have not tended to happen. We've had an unbelievable run of major winners over the last five, six, seven, eight years. really dating back to Jimmy Walker, T.C.

And, but this, this, this can happen. I think we've been calling for one of these for quite some time and it finally happened. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think the other side of that coin is, that is why they play the games. That is why the stories matter. That is why it's fun to see a story like Aaron Rye and a guy who works his ass off and a guy who nobody says a bad word about who just chips away and gets the most out of it. He is slow.

You can say that about him. That's true. Maha'allow, T.C. He, yeah, he also gets the most out of his talent, right? Like, he's not a guy that probably was born to win major championships. Right. And he just had to absolutely figure out how to do it and squeeze every possible ounce out of it.

Max, Max told me his story this morning, this very texting back and forth. And he said that this year after Rive, there were no flights to West Palm like that, like late that night to go play the cognizant. So Aaron Rye caught a flight to Miami, drove up to West Palm that night just so that he could have another full day on that whole Monday to practice at the cognizant.

He's like, that's who he is. Like, that's how hard he works. Zander had another story. That would have been an American flight. An American... Imagine that. Imagine how bad you got to want it. This is another good one from Zander's presser,

the Kyle Porter tweeted out. Essentially, the crux of it, you know, Zander gets to the Scottish Open, and he thought it'd be fun to go out. and putt at 9 o'clock at night with his caddy austin and erin rye's still out there putting at 9 a m finishing up his normal routine and then he goes to the gym at 945 and sanders said this was three years ago i think that's what it's about to be a major champion you put in the work when nobody's looking super pump for him and his team i think that's like that's the takeaway right i mean

is yeah i know we we dump on the zach johnson's of the world but it is cool when there's a guy who is Aaron Ries a lot cooler than Zach Johnson. Sure. My point is there's a guy with iron covers and double gloves is a hell of a lot cooler than Zach Johnson. What a world. It's, uh, it's good when I don't know. Should you just bring in Neil? I feel like I feel like Neil is like Neil's Mr. get everything out of your talent guy, Neil is gentleman. Am I setting you up for that? Uh, yes. So I'm running a little late tonight. Uh, yeah, I think you are.

I think this is this is a win for, uh, well, first off, get him on a team. TC. Of the Lads Club, number one. Number two, I think it's a win for just golf coat, like infomercials, late night golf channel, golf lessons, you know, golf swing aids. I'm getting served on Instagram. You know, just like Aaron Rye strikes me as like, I will do anything to get a little bit better.

And I, I appreciate the fuck out of that. I think there's a part of me, Neil, there's a part of me that's like, do we need to be inspired more people like that? Do we need to, do we need to be trick in some of these people that they can win majors? You should give anybody at the club hoped of like, man, yo, if you go grind, if you go putt at 9 p.m., maybe you could win the P.K. And whether that, I'm happy for Aaron Rye, but whether that's a net positive or negative for golf remains to be seen. Is he the, is he the heir apparent to Team Rose?

Maybe. As far as squeezing all the juice out, he's got as many, he's got as many major championship wins as Team Rose and Tommy combined. I had a football coach tell me my last day of practice my senior year that I got more out of my talent than anybody ever recruited, which is the most backhanded compliment. Oh, yeah, I would never want to hear that. But I do agree that like the worst thing in the world is wasted talent. And I want to say that Aaron Rye's not wasting any drop of talent. And he's figured out a way, I mean, the driving accuracy, it was like, guys, he's almost like he's looking around like, guys, we got to hit the fairway here. You know, I know what the stats are saying, but it's just a lot.

lot less stressful if you're in the fairway. And Deidje, I know you already hit on it, but, God, I was watching a little bit of a delay. I was just chuckling. I mean, he's just hitting like laser beams from 2.30, like down the stretch. It was crazy, man. He's the kind of guy. once he got out in front, I was like, I don't know how he's going to screw this up. Like, he doesn't miss. You can't screw anything up at this course either. It reminded me a double bogey perspective. I mean, somewhat recency bias, but like the Abu Dhabi event, where it was kind of the same feeling where I saw, you know, you look at the leaderboard, and it was like him and Rory and Tommy got beat by him.

He did beat Tommy in the playoff. I think Nikolai Hoygard was up there. But it was just a lot of like big names, Ryder cupers. And then it's like, oh, and here comes Aaron Ryre. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay. I'm sure Aaron Ryre is going to stare at these guys down. And then he did. And he just kept hitting golf shot after golf shot after golf shot.

And, you know, I think you wanted a playoff. But it's like you went to those guys. And I think I thought. I filed that away in like the subconscious recesses of my brain of like, we'll revisit that if we ever need to. Like I'm not going to think about that again unless I have to. So to your point, it was kind of the same feeling today where it was like as soon as,

you know, he made that essentially that par on 15 and then he hits the fairway on 16. I'm like, oh God, it's so over. It's so over. Like this is done. Of course he's not going to give it up. One thing, like this is the guy that said a Guinness Book of World Records, like record for. some questions about that.

He's 207 consecutive puts from a distance of 10 feet. So, he's like the opposite of me. The discipline it takes. Is it a flat spot? Dude, he had to have carved the little alley there. Like that you don't make 2007.

He's willing to try to do that. And I think in a tournament where it's like, yeah, man, it's just a lot of like, we got to hit it 25 feet and just the patience and the discipline. Like I got, you know, that was the test this week.

And he passed it with flying colors. It just like played right into his strengths. I'm, I'm, I'm impressed because I can't do that. I would have gotten greedy at some point. You know me. A couple things here. Matt,

who works on our social team, we used to work for the PGA tour. He told us earlier today, he said, Aaron Rye is truly the nicest person he had met in his three years of damn near talking to every single guy out there. Like that out of his way to be like this. Just say we're clear,

like the nicest, truly the nice. And then he said there's a difference between kind and nice and Aaron Rye's kind. He said there's big, cordial and professional and there's being kind and Aaron is the latter. And then we all tell you, Matt, we don't care. We don't know. We still want Rob or Rory to win.

But there is somebody who needs to answer for this victory, right? Somebody is getting absolutely stunted on. We do want to thank you. Thank Yeti for presenting this week's coldest moment. This was from the preview. We're getting a lot of emails about this. If we have it, Cody, could you please play it? No, we do not have it.

have it. We will have it here shortly, maybe potentially. We've broken down. All right, we are having technical difficulties here. I'll say this. Okay, I got some stats on Aaron Ride. So he's 63rd ranked player in the world again using data golf rankings, not the corrupto WGR. Phil was 158 when he won, the PGA, but you got to go all the way back to Keegan in 2011 to find somebody that far down on the data golf rankings. Yie Yang was 59, McKeel was 71, Beamer was 150. So this happens at the PGA way more than it happens at other majors. U.S. Open, you got to go all the way back to Michael Campbell in 2005.

He was 179th in the world. And Open Championship, Darren Clark, are the only one, only like higher rated people in the day to golf rankings to win a major. But are you getting word? We do have our clip here. This is our Yeti coldest moment of the week. This is from the preview episode. How do you square your English kind of hatred? with what Fitz is doing right now.

There was a lot of comments on that last night. Yeah. I don't think it's hatred. You're right. Hatred's not the right word. No, I'm just trying to call balls and strikes on the English. They're looking at a lot of called third strikes.

Fun fact for you guys. Do you guys know Jim Barnes, the name Jim Barnes? Long Jim Barnes. Long Jim Barnes. The only Englishman to win the PGA championship. And in fact, he won the first two playings.

in 1916 and 1919. No Englishman has won the PGA championship since 1919. Could be Harry Hall's music this week. Will that streak break? I, you know, I wouldn't bet on it, but we'll see. God, Randy. Gear up for summer. They want a quarter of man. It's good stuff. Gear up for summer at yeddy.com. Uh, and we, sorry, big, big's out this weekend. He's got a niece, his niece's graduation, but, you know, we were going to miss an opportunity to dunk on them there. Also, I want to shout out Lottie Wode,

just for good measure one on the LBGA, just stunning on Randy as well. That was even colder than Bryson's coat on Thursday. Bryson had a lot of cold moments this week. The emails are rolling in from the blokes and chaps, though. They want heads to roll with Randy. They want a formal apology from the big guy. So look for that later this week.

As they should. Guys, real quick. This was right under my nose the whole time, and I didn't pick up on the scent. Aaron Rye, just running through some of his victories. Obviously, we watched the Wyndham, we beat Grazerman after Coacher didn't think it was appropriate for Grazerman to continue playing, like he was his father or something. But he shot 64 there, like really, like he shut the door there. He won the Hong Kong open in 2018.

over Matt Fitzpatrick. Not a national open, but kind of. Is that the one that gets into the Masters now? Yes. Economic Zone Open. He won the Scottish Open in 2020 in a playoff over Tommy, BDE.

He won the Abu Dhabi in a playoff over Tommy last year. And then just getting word before it was a DP World Tour like full event. It was a challenge tour event. He won the Kenya Open in 2017. National Open.

Did it become magical? Before it was magical. When it became a TV World Tour event, is that what the magic took cold? Looks like the magic started in 2019. So he won the second to last Barclays, can you open? Anyway, I just wanted to call that out because that's, you know, kind of a feather in his cap as far as being a proper player with some BDE's. That's true.

What's the best way to tackle this? You want to go down the leaderboard a little bit? It's time. just a slow, a slow methodical down the leaderboard, starting, starting T2, John Rom, I think is going to be, Sean Rom. It's going to be just ripe for conversation. 68 today for John Rom. A little bit of scuffling early. He, well, I actually real hot start out of the gates with Bertie, Bertie.

It kind of looked like he was going to shoot 59 and then dumps a wedge in the bunker. On number three, drives it in the, in the shite. On number seven, makes a bogey. just kind of stuck in neutral on the way in, as many people kind of seem to be on that back nine. All adds up to 68 and 6 under for the for the week. Runner up. Neil, we knew it was going to be a big year for John Rom at the majors. We knew we were ready for him to answer the bell.

This is the loudest, I would say that he's answered it. What's your takeaway in ROM this week? Signs of life. I mean, at least like for me, because I haven't watched the time of him play a ton, but I know the data said that he's been. a dude. Dej, I want to commend you. You picked him not to win and you predicted that he would come in second. So I thought that was that was kind of fun. You know, I appreciate it. You can tell Rom, he's he's a pot ready to boil over at all times, but you tell he really cares. And I think

he realizes the gravity of not letting this kind of thing slip away right now where he's at. So you've got to feel like he's pretty frustrated tonight. And I, I appreciate that he's frustrated. I guess is what I'm trying to say. I, it, it feels like it, uh, it stinks. And this one, this one feels like, uh, I, I can't say one he should have snatched, because Aaron Ryd just ran away with it. It's a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think it, um, it, a lot of, uh, Ludwig and his caddy, and they were both just kind of like, oh, man, like, you know, like, I can't, you know, nothing I can do about it. And maybe Rom feels that way, but it feels like, a lot of, like the put on, I think it was 15 down the hill, just a few spots where he's just,

just couldn't get anything to drop. So got to think he's a little frustrated. I think Rom, uh, was glad to see him a little bit more level headed and it just seemed like less seething or simmering. Aside from assaulting a volunteer. Well, that was earlier in the week. He did a bad thing earlier in the week. And then Carrie Hague didn't actually, you know, abide by his own code of conduct as well.

Do we know that he didn't get a warning? I don't know. I guess we don't know. Probably should have been in jail. Assault. I kind of felt the same way. Maybe I'm just, you know, easy to please. But yeah,

it seemed like he's, He kind of kept the emotions in check. It seemed like I haven't seen him clap into the gallery for a while. That was nice to see after 18 days. Great in the press room all week. Yeah, it's just more fun when he's involved. You know, I think there's been no, at least, at least for me, I feel like there's no like grave dancing, you know,

over the last couple of years. It just stinks. Right. I think that's coming out of like 22, 22, 2023. It was like, oh, my God, I just, I can't wait to like. we're reaching that point where, you know, it was almost, it was kind of like the Scotty thing where like, ah, this guy is this guy super exciting to watch? What's going on? Until you start stacking up enough wins, they're like, okay, no, now I'm curious what this guy is doing every week.

And it feels like we kind of had the rug pulled on us a little bit over the last couple years at the major. So it's, I had a great time. He was the player. I was most fascinated to see what was going to happen today. And he didn't get it done. But to your point, Neil, it's like, it wasn't really lack of, this is don't talk about. the setup challenge but it's it couldn't really get anything going because it was a lot of just putting from 30 feet and he wasn't the guy that made the putts uh but he did pretty much everything else that

he needed to do this week and he got beat by one guy who made a bunch of those puts two things can be true his his record and major championships since going to live is below par and it's not reflective of his talent and also it was extremely unlikely that he was going to stay down for a long time like the guy's game just like does not slump he's the buoy that's why they call him that they were the philly fans were calling that pretty much heard every whole that I followed them out there on Thursday. But he's a massive talent that continues to play really good golf. It's just a ton of pressure on yourself when you only play four real tournaments a year. And he's not handled that well up to this point.

I think this is like a, he didn't win, of course, but like this, it's a fly the banner of like, okay, yeah, he's still one of the dudes. He's still a major championship contender and just not somebody you can kind of write off heading into major championships. And Shinnock should set up quite well for him. I see no reason why Burkdale wouldn't as well. I'd be stunned if he didn't top 10 both of them. And again, I would not be even remotely surprised if he won one of the last two majors of the year.

Well, I mean, as a dude, he should he should probably get on that. So he is a dude now? No, I don't know. According to you, he is. I'm correct. I can't chime in on this anymore. No, he needs to because those are, that's what he's put a lot of pressure. That was kind of what DJ and I were talking about at the beginning of the year.

It puts a lot of pressure on him. And I thought this was the first time it felt like he, answered the bell on that pressure. It felt like he rose up. He didn't fold. Like last year at Quail, he felt like he kind of blew it at the end. It didn't feel like he blew it today.

Dej, I think I'll push back a little bit on like the Rye making 30 foot puts. Like he did some of that. But I think also like I think if you look at Rye's scorecard and just what he did on the weekend, like his approach play was fucking awesome. Yeah. Like he crushed people with his wedges this weekend too. wedges and mid irons i mean he was he was exceptional kind of just approach play generally speaking

and then and then backed it up with some good putting but like i think he made 12 birdies and one eagle on the weekend rome made eight birdies total on the weekend no eagles so it's got you know it's kind of like he just went out and got it you know i feel like rome today um what he had like he birded nine and then he just he what he made six pars in a row after that and then birdied 16, but aside from the two birdies on the, on the par fives there, like no birdies on any par fours or par threes from three to 18 today. Well, that's where it kind of reminded me a little bit of how Rory played too when you get to him in a second. But it's kind of that major championship sort of style, but for whatever, it weirdly wasn't as rewarded at a venue like this for some reason,

because everybody's kind of stuck in neutral. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like he's not driving it far off. He's either hitting the fairway or he's just off. And he's playing to the fat parts. And it's just a bunch of two putting. And a lot of majors, you're like, oh, that's great.

That's what you need to do. And for whatever reason, there just wasn't the opportunities. He didn't take advantage of 13. And that's kind of, I guess what I'm talking about with not taking anything away from Rye, but it's like he made a bomb on 9. He made a bomb on 17. And Rob didn't take advantage of 13. And it's like, well, there's three shots right there.

And so they didn't hit it all that different outside of like kind of the stunners. that that rye hit on the last three holes. Rob and JT also hit it in that one patch of rough like right of seven. Every time anybody went in there, I was like, what is that? Where did that come from? Yeah, the really high stuff, right? Yeah. Again, this is not yet, Dej, I promise,

commentary on the course setup. But I think if we think about what just happened here, like a ton of the, but the shorter part fours, the approaches for basically everyone in the field are going to come in from a closer range. the PJ of America's reaction to that was to make the pins super difficult. What the advantage is that Rom and Rory

and a lot of the best players typically have in majors when the test is more stretched out, that you're going to have more fair or more approachable pins because a lot of guys are coming in with 9, 8, 7, 6 irons based on kind of that range and they're longer off the

T and they're going to have short irons in there and they're really good with those clubs that they over 72 holes gain, gain, gain, gain, where you could still kind of vomit out there. You could hit it kind of wherever you, not necessarily wherever you wanted out there, but it was good to get it out there. And there was openings in the front of the greens and you could run shots up. But even if you were in the fairway with wedges, it just required such a precise wedge shot that that is not the specialty of Rom. That is not the specialty of Scotty. That's not the

specialty of Rory. That we're waiting for them to make their move and kind of hit the, hit the gnaws and go. It was not playing in their hands to be able to do that. And they were going to need to make a ton of pus. They were going to need to do something special that wasn't really fit with their game to, you know, to take off and take this over. So they weren't, the kind of their superpowers were just muted and mitigated in a way. And the chances of somebody in the Rye group or Smalley Group or Schmidt group doing something way outside the normal of what they would do is more likely to play out in that kind of setup than it would have been in a more stretched out major championship venue. Can I, try to say one thing there. I agree with that

with Rom. I think you summed up ROMs round really well. Rory. I would say, I thought he played super patient on all the hard holes and then he blew it. Like on nine's a perfect example. Like he just didn't hit the shots today. Like you can't leave a seven iron short. If you hit it 390, dude. Like we got to pounce on that. And then 13,

that was a cool. That was a good pin. You do have to hand it to carry a. So, you know, Roy was just like, you know, lying in weight.

And then he's just like spilled his drink all over his shirt on like the spots where he was, you know, supposed to handle it. And that's so I would say, like some of that's like on on Rory specifically you know what I mean like got to pass the test right in front of you and fail

and I just think the test we'll get to the test but I think it was interesting to see a guy like rye especially once he got the lead a real processed based guy TC deliberate slow we'll call it but a guy that's never going to deviate from like that that set that was perfect for him of like okay I'm just going to do

he's very deliberate about what he's doing I felt like some of these other on the back nine, they got flustered and impatient, right? And it was like, yeah, because they're behind. But I felt a little bit of that all week with some of these guys. And so it's just, for me, it was just a different, a different look. Like part of, I think part of the test was can you be patient? And then when 13 comes around, can you hit the shot?

And in Rory's case, I'm like, man, that was a horrible swing. Like, you know, you can't do that. Are we doing course setup or are we doing down the leaderboard? No, we're going to keep going down the leaderboard. We're going to keep going down the leaderboard. Smalley, playing in the final group, plays his first, pars his first five holes,

makes a very, very bad double on six. Which, like, that should have been a quad. Yeah. He didn't hit a single fucking good shot. Any of the six shots that he hit where they were all awful. That was unbelievable. It was just like Rye on 18 on Saturday.

There's no downside risk. How many doubles were there today? 16 doubles for, what do we have, 60 some players? That's just not acceptable. It's not great. And I don't think that's a setup problem.

I think that's a venue problem. We'll get there. Anything to kind of add on Alex Smalley, how he acquitted himself, Made Eagle on 16, birdie the 18th to shoot even. I don't have a ton left. Honestly, man. Hang in question. Like, he played his first six holes on the weekend.

Like each of the days, he played him in five over par total. And he played the weekend in minus two. Yeah. So he played the other. Super impressive. You know, I think the, yeah, like it was impressive. I think the, the, I'm glad that, like, I say this earnestly. I'm glad that the mom stuff is out in the open because I feel like I've been sitting on that

or like kind of waving my hands in the air for people over the last 18 months. Everybody's like, you know, nobody's really paying attention. And you talk to people, it's fucking weird, man. It's really weird. And I think it's like kind of tragic and sad. So I'm glad it's out in the open. and we can, you know, see what happens here in the next six to 12 months on it. First off, TC, did you take one of the gloves off?

I did because I can't, I can't, the, the ring glove doesn't work for my, uh, computer, you know, a little track pad. So I get sure. I thought you started with two. Uh, I did. I want to say, one of them didn't fit. My takeaway with one show with the two gloves. That's a short, short, that commitment lasted with, uh, Alex, my great golf swing.

Like, I don't think there's a. I don't know if we've said that, but just he had said like really nice draw. Don't see a lot of guys draw on the golf ball. I, I was seeing a lot of his golf this week. I just want to, you know, recognize that it's a very, very good looking golf swing. It is. Justin Thomas, sorry, to your point about guys who filled it up today and hit really nifty wedges, Justin Thomas shot 65.

Looked for a while, like we were kind of joking internally a little bit on like, oh my God, what is that? How stupid does anybody think JT still has a chance? Then the farther the day went on, it was like, oh, JT might still have a chance. That's what we were all rooting for.

Just everybody come back to minus five. Let's have a six-man playoff. It was, man, I know people, people's mileage varies on JT, and there's plenty of people who don't like watching him. It's electric,

man. When he gets it going and when he turns into swaggy JT and he's leaning on the T shots and he's, he's nipping wedges and he's, and he's you know it looks like every putts going it's really fun and it was really fun today to watch him kind of be the one that that made the big charge as someone who gets really poor mileage on jt like just awful gas mileage like neil our Chevy tahoe growing up there's you know 11 or 12 miles a gallon we were getting on that thing i love having jt in the mix it's the best i

think j t is so necessary like we need those swashbuckling cocky uh streaky players i I loved watching him. Like today, he had a great wedge, I think into 11 and just kind of spun it off this slope. And I'm like, God, like, I wish we saw more of that this week, generally speaking from the golf course. But I've missed seeing that from JT as well. And he's wearing, he had the ALD shoes on all week, the footjoy co-lab. And he putted well. He putted lights out, fourth and putting for the week.

He had, yeah, first top 10 for him in two years, I think it is at a major. Why is just a sense for the moment? out so much for him. Why is it this major is the only one that he has consistent success? She just loves to 30,000. I guess, but you know, because it's such a, it's a weird, it's always a pretty weird tournament in general.

You just don't see somebody that's like a horse for a particular event. Maybe Brooks checks out in this category as well. But I can't really put my finger on it. No, it's a really good point. Yeah, I don't know. It's like the put on, you know, when he makes that par on 18. And same with like the putty made at the end of the

Ryder Cup this year last year. It's like, he just, has a sense for the moment. Yeah. And in kind of a toss-up like this, like I just mad respect for him just sticking with it. Because throughout the week, it was like he was just on the edge a lot. And he just like willed himself into, you know, he's like, almost like you feel like of all the people out there, I feel like JT is the one willing puts it.

Like I just mentally like, I am not missing this. And then he celebrates it in a way that gets you hyped. It's electric's the word, Dij. It's fun to watch. Especially you're looking at JT. Sorry, I think if you're looking at JT's, like, where it kind of went undone. The bogey on 9 on Saturday. Like, that was, like, that's like a double, basically, right?

And that was in a stretch of four bogeys in a row. If you just, if he just smooths that out a little bit, like, he didn't make a par for eight holes from three through 10. It's electric. Like, it was fucking electric. I loved, I love seeing, I think there's a quote from Spieth today, because Jordan's shot, was that on third Friday? I think the little low runner scooter punch shot that Jordan hit on 11, which was kind of, you know, having a moment online. I think he was asked about it afterwards and said that he told Annie, his wife, that like, yeah, I think JT's the only other guy that would have tried that shot, which is, I mean, that explains why I think I like watching those two players as much as, as much as anybody. It's got the juice, man.

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I'm really, I'm going to be taking my time with this one. I need to. I need to. You're right. TC, do we need to talk about Ludwig? What do you think? Let me ask you this. W or L this week?

I think a lot, I think micro L, micro massive L like, um, like there could be terminal issue. We just got foreclosed on and we have to move out of our house and yeah, it's not good. Um, but Mike or but macro, I think it could be the biggest dub of all time because if this doesn't fucking convince him to, to switch to a mallet, I don't think anything ever will and quit putting with that dumbass Oreo looking putter. It's awful. Unbecoming.

I'm tired of it, man. You were really a knots about Ludwig. To your credit. Do your credit. The spin zone ended, which I, which I appreciated.

Oh, God, it pissed me off, man. It was not fun to watch. I mean, the three putt on 10 today, uh, some of the short-sided misses.

It just, yeah, It just wasn't fun, man. Like, I did not like that ride. Yeah, but then he sucks you back in with like, you know, he played 16. Just makes it look so easy. Just like drive, hit the front of the green, two putt for birdie. You know, it's just like, God, that's easy.

That looked really, really easy. Number one and Tita Green this week. Number one, which is surprising because I felt like I saw a lot of, a lot of right balls. I felt like that's after a clanky day on Thursday, too. That's how well he hit the ball. And then he just browns out for three, four, five holes at a time. Yeah. It turns into a vegetable.

I wouldn't. I wouldn't wear this one too hard because, again, it's just like it feels like he would have waltzed to a three-shot win in a different kind of golf turn. Yeah, but that's even, that makes it even worse because people are like TC, he doesn't have the bottle. TC, he doesn't have the minerals. They're just reading your quotes back to you. Okay. We're just asking for consistent application. Yeah.

I was, Neil, I got sucked in by how easy he does make it look. I was joking earlier. Him and Rye played in the same group. I was like, this is like a Mac and a PC, just played right next to each other. One of them is just ultra-designed, sleek.

You know, but then like the battery goes out. You're like, how the fuck am I supposed to fix that? I got to go to the genius bar to fix. What are you talking about? There's Aaron Rye's just great. Air Rye's open source, man. He's like, yeah, you know, me and my golf guy,

he's got the whole community working on this game, you know. What lasted until the end of the week? The Lenovo big pad just Nokia. The war course. Yeah. Neil, it's like dad's,

you know, 50 million of those things. Our dad's got this Toyota Tacoma truck. And he's like, yeah, I've spent like $280 on maintenance and parts on it in the last seven years. Like it just doesn't. Mac PC.

Just doesn't break. It doesn't, I don't have to do anything. Exactly. God, that's good stuff, Dej. Uh,

Maddie Schmidt. Listen, no one likes to pile on TC more than more than more than me. We're not going to pile on for the Ludwig thing here. This is a good major championship showing. It was a close call. It wasn't perfect golf. But like, let me let me. I still, if there's anyone getting rid of, you know, or, you know, anyone hopping off the bandwagon with Ludwig.

There's an open more spot for for more of my family to get on. We'll take a seat. You're interested in to buybacks. That's, that's a man. He shot a great 66 on Friday. I got it. I got to keep that in mind. It just, yeah, he should have won this thing going away.

And he didn't. And he didn't. And he can't do it right now. And it's pissing me off, Sali. Mad as hell. Do we need to talk, do we need to talk, Maddie Schmidt, T4, shot one under today in the final group? Never, you know, never been in a final, I don't know if he's never been in a final group. Never had a 54-hole lead on the PJ tour.

Impressive to go out and shoot under par. It's about kind of where my commentary. ends, wish him all the best. Yeah, he was a threat down the early part of the back nine. I mean, he got the six under. And then, you know, then, yeah, Aaron Rye kind of just sucked all the juice out of the, out of the tourney. Yeah.

I think, I think Schmid, I think Bernhardt personally taught him how to putt based on what we saw this weekend, too. Legally, you can't get sued for what you just said, which is great. But I think anybody knows what you're talking about. which is artful, D.C. The mangy dog, Cam Smith was back. That was, that was, I'm probably, definitely more, more electric than JT.

That was like, I looked up, and I know he bogeied, what, 17? But I looked up after, I think, 15. And I was like, holy shit, this guy hasn't made a bogey today? Like, this is the worst I've ever seen somebody hit it. How was this guy three under par? He was blowing it off the planet, hitting into bunkers. Three of 14. crazy that's insane he hit 23 all week he was it just did it far it was you know what's crazy he

he hit uh he hit 72 percent of his greens today it's yeah it's just he's like he might be the rat king i think so i think he is and it's just fun to watch him i think what i miss the most if i'm zooming into the the super micro just his tempo on those little crafty pitch shots i'm like man i I could sit and watch him at the chipping green just all day, hitting those shots. I have missed those greatly. It was very, very fun to have him involved. I was joking with you guys on Slack that the Mickelson thing,

as much at Kiowa, as much as that seemed like the most unlikely victory in the history of major championships, I'm like, guys, Cam Smith winning a major this week would not be that different. You convince me it's even more unlikely based on his recent form where he's been in the major. he seems like he's been in the wilderness. A bit of a walk about this. Yeah, truly. Just credit to him, man.

He's been in the wilderness. He's been in the wilderness. Yeah, in the bush. I think it was by choice maybe at first. And I actually think he's actually been working pretty hard on his game. He wasn't getting out of it. And he switched his coach and he's seeing immediate returns. But like for him to do what he did this week with hitting 41% of his fairways.

And like, I mean, the rough wasn't gnarly. but it wasn't like it was it was a penalty right like we can debate on whether it was enough of a penalty or if the wayward misses were too rewarded versus you know like they it was kind of like car noose to a few years ago where like the wayward miss gets not penalized at all and the miss three yards off the fairway gets crushed yeah i think there was a little bit of that out there but i just i forgot how much i i love watching can play golf it's just it's great it looked like you was just something like three things in a row would have to go very wrong for him to make a boge because and he didn't put well coming down the stretch like I think it's I gave him a unintentional

Twitter jinks of just like it just felt like every time he stood over a put it was going in the center of the hole it felt like 2022 open championship for a little while there of like dude where is this guy going to screw it up because he can't drive the ball yet he makes par on every single one of these holes and I don't I don't know if it's enough to declare him back I think this this was a a really good opportunity for him based on what the test was this week. And I don't know if it's going to, if the stars are going to necessarily align, but it's good to see him back in contention and playing,

playing good golf and being a relevant person in the golf world. Totally. And you get to, you know, who knows, not that he's going to be some favorite or something, but you get to Shinnecock where it's probably going to blow and a bunch of people are going to miss greens and you got to have a tidy short game.

Like, you know, very well might not be the end of the end of him this year. And I think the other thing that I was thinking about watching and make a run is, again, it's one week, who knows, but you hear the quotes from a lot of the live guys over the last couple weeks since the ship has kind of started to sink. And there's just been a lot of like, yeah, well, I guess, I guess that's it, you know, type of type of stuff. And I just, I would have bet money on KM being one of those guys based on what we've seen over the last couple years, right?

I mean, I think he's loved the, the work life balance, it seems like, from what Liv is offered. and I wouldn't have even blamed him for being like, oh, you know what? I'm just going to fish and hang out and play with my buddies and do whatever. And it seems like he's wanted to really like get back in the fight. And, you know, they've talked about it a lot, but getting back and working with Claude Harmon and rebuilding stuff and kind of putting the machine back together.

So massive, massive credit and appreciation for him, him doing that. Do you guys start? I mean, you know, technical question here, but shorten it up at the top of the swing? It seems, I mean, that just seems like a loki, like, cross the line. Maybe we'll start there. Maybe we'll shorten it up a little bit.

I gotta think that's having an impact on the accuracy. That's why it took me so long to buy in on him because he was doing it, but he was playing well. He was still doing that. I was like, that just still doesn't look like. I don't know if that's good at it. I mean,

Neil, you want to talk about maximizing your talent? Like, he's a guy like when he's playing great. I think he's so much greater than the sum of his parts. He, he, like, embodies the bottle and the metal.

And I thought, today I thought the minerals one or two of those puts like those birdie puts he was giving him a good run their kind of middle stretch of the round like 12 13 and I thought one of those was going to fall and he was like all right he's got that

scent of blood when he tracked Rory down at the open championship and I thought that same thing was going to happen today for a little bit for about 25 minutes it weirdly reminded me of that round as well except for one of those guys one of those cam smiths was at the

peak of his powers in total control of his golf ball. It was almost like the same attitude with a different skill set. And it was funny to see how the results of those shots differed. I also want to give Cam credit for sticking with the like the mangy dog look in the bullet. I kind of thought like he'll kind of grow out of this. He hasn't. And I'm I'm impressed by that because that's just a, it's just quite a look. And he's just like, nah, man, it's my look.

It's good stuff. We were talking last night, Neil. when we hung up, speaking to your, you're across the line comment. We were saying, I think you should just start an Instagram where you, you just give out swing,

you just break down swings. And you just, you don't have to even know what you're talking about, but just be super, super, start drawing lines on the screen. And he can see right here,

he's way over the line. This is what we call Muchacho ball. Yeah. You see that? You see the hips go? That's what we're talking about there. Look at what he's supinating here. And of course,

this is a dead thing. Yeah, he's stuck. He's stuck. He's stuck. He's stuck didn't mean anything. Speaking of, We saw Rory get mega stuck on 13.

I was happy to hear Trevor call that one out. He was trying to hit the mega bad boy five wood there on 13. Which I don't tell you what. Because they were telling me about all these hip turns there on 13T. And all the all the hip turn percentage stuff was telling me that he should have been better than the field average on that. That was just that was such valuable information. Solly, if only we could get the swing from today. Yeah, that was tough.

All this cameras. Having Trevor clocked that. That's sucked. Trevor clocked that swing in real time. You could see, he didn't even need to see a replay. He could have broken down exactly what just happened. Instead, he had to go to like a swing from Thursday because they sold the whole T-Mobile. That was, that was not good. The Jenta was bumping this week, though.

I heard there was EDM music coming out of the Club Magenta next to the fifth or sixth hole all week, to the point where it sounded like live over there. Hell yeah. Golf but louder. Anything else on Roy, I know we kind of touched on him a little bit earlier. Um, I don't have a ton. I was expecting more from him today. Um, and some, some gas pedal stuff.

And it, I don't know, just didn't quite. I was impressed like the whole front night, basically until, I guess until nine. He just really seemed like he was biding his time, playing patient. And, uh, yeah, he just, he just had some like colossal, some bad swings or maybe decisions and bad, uh, drivers bad spots. Yeah. Guys, we all kind of whiffed on, I mean, everybody, whiffed on like just summing this place up or prognosticating upon what this test was going to be like. But that said, like, I think Rory's pre-round presser saying that, hey, there's no strategy, just bomb it as far as you can down there and then figure it out, juxtaposed with Rye's approach to it.

I think it's one of those, like I think if I had a question. for for tiger right now like like I don't think we would ever see tiger hop up in a in a you know pre-tournament presser and say something like that which then maybe even said to carry hey cool I'm gonna set this up even even more or tuck it even more than we yeah and then and then like I think I would have been really faster yeah like I think I would have been really fascinated to see how Tiger attacked this course this week, like Prime Tiger, right? Like, is he hitting

a lot of two irons and stingers off the T? Is he, like, I don't know, I think that's just like a really interesting theoretical question. It is, and it's, it's interesting, um, if you take in Prime Tiger and plopped him in today's era, would he approach it different with the knowledge of strokes gained and

the guys just send it farther now? It was like back, so it's kind of like, I think about this with baseball, when everyone got really smart with baseball, the game got more boring but like you could have a standout tony gwin style player be really valuable because everyone's kind of playing the batting average game they don't really understand the value of of home runs and all this stuff like now that everybody got that knowledge in the modern day yeah you're you're you know the value of that guy decreases because everyone got smart it's

same three point line in basketball like it you know the midrange game was a huge drink for allan iverson but like once three pointers like the the full math came to came to be on three pointers. Everyone's racing to do that. So taking prime tiger who could do a lot of things, would he have been more of a bomber in this age? But to your point, I think like this would have been really, even for like 2018, 2019 Tiger, the modern version of Tiger, the best version of that we would have seen would have been really interesting, I think, on this golf course, because it would have been long enough and kind of just that little peely cut and shaping balls up against the fairway to hold them and playing, you know, smart golf towards middle of fairways and

and putting well would have been in contention, I think, on this golf course. And part of me thinks like maybe Rory just didn't have the energy to deduce this golf course after everything he threw into, you know, I think he just drove it like shit though, too, right? I mean, it was very inaccurate. And I think it, I don't think, you know, maybe his words didn't come off great of like, I don't think he was just trying to hit it as far as possible, go find it and figure it out. I think it was just like, I've got no reason not to hit driver a lot on this golf course. He just needed to be more accurate with it. Yeah. But like I just think about like was this and again, we got more time until we get into

the setup stuff, but like was this Kerry Hague's, um, almost defense against the strokes gained stuff against modern golf? He's like, you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to write a really interesting album that is just totally going against that. And I, like I don't, I don't like Carrie Hague. I think he's pretty joyless and in a lot of his setup. and his lack of explanation in things and just generally how he goes about things. But I think it's kind of an interesting concept album, if you will.

I didn't like it. Do you see, that kind of sums up my feelings on the concept album specifically. Like, I... Just do it now. Are we good to get... Zander was the only other one in the top 10. Okay, close off.

Zander had... Poetic and Brady on 18 because, yeah, it kind of was stuck in neutral for the rest of the day. Dej, I'll hit you. I'll kick off this conversation with an analogy. Please. And I need your help.

The reason I'm directing this to you as I need your help. I think Drew May has said it in our Slack earlier from our team that this week, this tournament reminded him of like a movie that he's like, yeah, I'm enjoying it, but I don't know if I'm going to rewatch that one. I was trying to think of that movie. I was thinking about the one, what was the one that Jamie Lee Curtis was in? Dude, that was the first thing that came in mind for me. Everything everywhere all at once.

Yeah, yeah. Whereas like, yeah, a lot of people being like, this is great. This is what we've been waiting for. I'm like, no, this fucking sucks. This movie stinks, man. I wouldn't say it sucked, but I was like, I don't know if I'm going to rewatch it. It was interesting. Yeah, I was like, okay, I mean, it's holding my attention.

And I'm kind of, I'm laughing. I'm chuckling. I'm like, oh, this is, we don't see a lot of this. We just don't see a lot of this week or year to year during Oscar season. Feel good stories for, you know, Daniels, the directors and Michelle Yo. and Jamie Lee Curtis and the guy from Indiana Jones. I mean, it was great. Lots of great stories.

That's where I land is like, I haven't watched it again, though. I haven't heard anybody talking about it. And, and yeah, like, I'll kind of leave it. I'll let, I'll let these guys have the platform here because I know. Guys, I just got word. Aaron Rye was 62 of 66 from 10 feet in this week. On those crazy greens. Yeah.

It's great. You know what's, you know what's another. I hate that stat, T.C. I have no idea that that's all four foot. You know, that that's a, that's a, Wow, that's a wide range stat. I mean, 66 putts, though. Like, that's, yeah, that's a lot.

Yeah. Do you want to a stat that you're going to hit? He's a Guinness Book of World Record Holder, T.C. That's his shit right there. Guy made 207 of them in a row. This is, that's his light work for him. You want a stat you're going to hate, Sally? Scotty hit more greens than Aaron Rye this week.

I don't like that. What was the other one I had pulled? Scotty hit, uh, eight more greens than, I'm sorry, seven more greens than Alex Smalley as well. But on this, I don't, I don't want to get too far on one side of this. Like putting on sloped greens, especially putts inside five feet that are on the edge of the hole, outside the hole, a ton of break on them. That is a skill of golf.

I don't want to. It's a skill that doesn't get ever asked for outside of maybe once or twice a year. So, yeah, all for that. The things I've said about the setup of this course have been wildly misinterpreted to this point. point of the week and I don't want that to get lost of like that I don't think putting is a skill that should be tested like Scotty did not deserve to win this tournament it was not like I think you should get on the green and just you know you are expected to haul out in 1.6 shots here that's exactly what you should get here no it's a skill that should be tested and like he failed that test this week

Ludwig failed that test this week on the short puts Ron missed a couple uh shorties in there that might have painted this tournament in different way and and Rye did not I I uh I it's There's a lot of moving parts to a lot of this. I think they're caught between a venue issue and a setup issue with what we ended up getting. I, again, I was, I tried to play this out as best I go on Friday. I was like a very gray on it. Like, I like errone. I think it, I want, I want the professional game to be able to go to a place like that.

I liked the Saturday, Sunday version of that better than I did the Thursday, Friday version. It felt like the most exciting part of the entire week was the early part of Saturday when the wind lied down a little bit and the pins were a little bit more accessible and guys were on offense and could make things happen. And it just felt like a fun buzz of I don't know what's going to happen. And it kind of felt like we got a little bit back in the blender on Sunday. And I think the PG of America loves a bunch leaderboard. I think that's more of a flaw.

It's a flaw than I think it is what I like in. in a lot of major championship golf, which is a really stern test of a big variety of skills. We decidedly did not get that. This week, I think a lot of people that watch majors and, you know, tune in, especially two majors, care a lot, a lot, a lot about what that actual score number is in the corner of the leaderboard. I've never been one of those people. I'm not afraid of birdie fest.

I think there can be really good tournaments that have a ton of birdies in them. The Masters usually has a lot of birdies in them. And it felt at times like it was hard. for the sake of suppressing scoring and that they were afraid of it getting away, which I understand, based on the feedback from the players, what we were all thinking going into this

and what the data was probably telling them going into it of what happened in 2018. They got dream conditions, wind and firmness. And I think with the wind and the conditions, they could have had slightly friendlier pin positions and had a much better tournament than what they ended up getting.

getting. That's not to say it was a complete disaster. I don't believe it was. I just think they aired on the side of hard. I don't think it worked out to create the most exciting golf tournament and the best test of a variety of skills. So I think this was a big spot for them because the last two venues have not been very good, in my opinion. The next few venues, not so good in my opinion. It was kind of like the one highlight of like a six year period. And it just didn't quite live up to you know, didn't really fully clear the bar for me for what I, what I like in a major championship. And I feel like we were holding out to like,

all right, back nine Sunday, ton of names in there. This could get really fun. And that didn't materialize. So I'm just kind of, I'm left with an empty feeling a little bit after this major. And I think I'm not the only one. Neil,

I appreciated you talking me through it the other night. That was a great. That was a very fruitful, productive conversation. It's productive conversation. I'm always here for you, brother. I think it's true that I don't know what I want out of this tournament. Like, I know what I want out of the U.S. Open.

I want a complete examination. I don't think, like, I thought this was, it's kind of reminded me of winged foot in spots where I didn't feel like we were getting a complete examination or there were just little get out of jail free cards. But I also don't know if you can even have a complete examination at this point with the equipment and all the optimization. unless you're at Shinnock and the wind is blowing 30 every day and it hasn't rained in three weeks

you know and you're not losing the greens like it's there's so many there's a confluence of things that have to go right um I get it that some people love this like for me it was more of a venue issue I just didn't I don't know I just don't think like between like Rye he he hit awful shots on 18 on Saturday awful like that should have been a double or worse And it was just like, no, like, it's just, just going to plod right along or whatever. Like, there, I don't think there was any downside risk, but I think that's more of a venue issue, not a setup issue. I think Aeronomy is a delightful course to play for members and such. I don't, I don't think it's fit for purpose for a championship golf course for a variety of reasons.

I got, what, like three of the top six hardest holes this week were the par three's, I think, which just feels to me like they, just yeah like scoring suppression so i'm like you like i'm not you know like i know like i know we joke about the proper test index and all of that i just want to see like shots have consequence and shots have rewards right and and i think we just didn't see enough of that on either side this week and the whole like progression of a tournament matters to me i don't think it should be like i know the conditions were harder Thursday friday but they they got forecasts they know that it's going to be cold and windy and all that. Let's, let's like it should, it should develop and evolve and grow as like, like the challenge

should get more interesting as the week goes along, I think. And I felt like it almost devolved. I would have been fine if they just, if they just kept going with the Thursday Friday stuff. Can I ask you, though, like I feel like if I go back to Augusta, not to not, this is not supposed to be a gotcha. I'm genuinely curious. They pulled back that really hard Thursday at Augusta. And then I remember, you know,

you and Randy we're keep let's keep pounded baby let's keep and and they pulled back and same thing with Shinnecock when you know the Zach Johnson meme of like we totally lost it. I hate it. I feel like as a listener you'd be like

well PC aren't you telling them like you're saying you wish Thursday would be easier? Yeah I wish Thursday would be like hey here's what you're like a little sample like I'm not against having six easy six medium and six hard pins. What the fuck happened to that? Why are we doing these theme days?

Like this is like that's what you're in the n i t no and i i've matured and involved from that i think kerry haggs like turned into a little bit of like mike davis or tom meeks where it's like like just doesn't know what this tournament is like i think the part of the reason this tournament doesn't have an identity is because some of the venues that they choose to go to in the way that he sets up some of these golf courses like was was this year a hundred times better than valhalla and quail hollow absolutely I'll take this 10 times out of 10 over those. I think Olympic Club will be good in a couple years.

I think next year could be a really avant-garde weird concept album that most people are probably going to hate, but it could be pretty interesting. But I just felt like the whole time I'm like, why am I not enjoying this? I just couldn't figure out why am I not enjoying this? And I felt like it just felt a little bit reductive as far as the questions being asked with irons,

like the last few days. And Bacon had a great analogy. in today and he said it feels like a transatlantic flight in business class you're like man this is this is great i'm up front i'm um you know the food's good uh you know it's kind of comfortable good snacks and all that but you can't really sleep and you're just kind of like you know what i can't wait for this to be over like just get it over with and that's kind of how i felt like the entire time in this tournament like there were entertaining spots but the entire time i was just like i uh i think i hate this uh can i ask about the downside risk thing

I feel like there's not a lot that we see week to week that has, other than water hazards, downside risk. An OB. Okay. So, no spots for like big, big errors out there.

Because I did feel like shots had consequence. That's where I would push back a little bit. I did feel like hitting it in the rough was a consequence. Even though you could run it up on a lot of holes, it just felt like pokey's are a consequence. And when you can't make a lot of birdies, like those felt, that limits the consequence though.

The opening up of the front limits the consequence to the point where you can get on the green and make a lot of pars, whereas if if there were more cutoffs and in theory, again, going hand in hand with a slightly easier pins, it's like, oh, if you're in the fairway, it's go time for birdies. Yes, you can get at pins and do that when you cannot afford to do that out of the rough if there's not runups. So again, there's runups on this golf course. So they got to design around that.

Their reaction to that was to make the pins really hard. Then it's like whether you're in the fairway or, in the rough, it's still going to be really hard to get close and make birdies, and you're going to end up making a lot of pars, and you're going to end up with a bunch of board. So let me ask it, like. They got what they set it up for. I know. And let me ask you a naive question, like a, maybe a correlation or causation.

I mean, you said, like, Aaron Rye, like led the field and driving accuracy. Like, were all these guys playing like idiots? Like you said earlier, like there's, Rory didn't hit the driver well. And, but there was no reason for him not to hit the driver. Well, was, is that wrong? Like, should he, should they have been prioritized? It seems like being in the fairway, allowed this guy. allow this guy to win by three.

He was fourth in driving accuracy, which contributed to him being middle of the pack, slightly gaining on the field overall off the T, like between distance and accuracy. He hit from the spots he was hitting. He was doing, he played a very good approach shots. So like, yeah, okay, so take this part of the equation. I'll be extreme for this, for this matter.

Let's say no matter what you do, if you hit the green, it's going to go to 30 feet, whether it's from 100 yards or from 170 yards. And I'm being extreme with this. But let's say Rory and Rye are going to probably hit it to the same parts of the green. Their path of getting there, if Rye is from 170, he's going to get a lot more points than strokes getting approach for that, of course. Right.

Got it. And on a setup that wouldn't force balls to the same general area, in theory, like Rory would just gain on Rye by hitting it closer from the, from the up close distance. So you see what I mean? You're like, you can gain a lot on the field from farther back with this kind of setup

just by hitting the green from 234 yards like he did on 15. Like he played, he hit the, like, there's not fluky what he did. Like he, he cut the ball in the freaking hole.

But I also feel like there's like a mental component to that. Like guys playing out of the rough, it just seems like it wears on the patience. And I don't know if there's a strokes gain stat for, for patience and like frustration. I would also throw a nail like, thick rough, big wind and firm greens as well. You heard a lot of guys talking about like,

if you're not in the fairway, you can't control your spin. And you're trying to hit into all these. You're trying to take a slope or you're trying to, you know, stop a wedge downwind. Like, yeah, man, you do have to be in the fairway. Because I felt like watching. I think it, there's a much bigger advantage to being in the fairway than the top six guys. Nobody else but Rive was top 25 in driving accuracy.

Okay. As a viewer though, I did find myself, I guess, just talking about your enjoyment, TC versus mine, I felt like the ball was moving on the ground with the, with the cant of these fairways. And I was like, ooh, is that going to roll into the rough? Like the rough, whether or not the stats prove it out, for me, for my eye test, I was like, the rough is having an impact.

I'm like, oh, if that gets in the rough, that's, that means he's, that changes his whole mindset on this hole. It goes from like, hey, maybe this is an opportunity. Now, where you guys, I did write a note down where I was a little bit like, okay, I kind of see what these guys are talking about. Number 10, John Robb absolutely dispatches one down the fairway. You don't have to hate this. He's got 130 yards in gap wedge.

And it's not often that you see him. He hit it to like 25, he hit the aim like 30 feet left to the center of that green. That pin was an absolute no-go. And that's like, okay, now I can understand why this is like, it's making it hard for anybody. like it's not rewarding the skill of that drive. Rom is, you know, not dumb enough to try to flag that one. So I'm like, okay, that's tough. But I'm also like, man, we never, it is kind of for me.

It's kind of made me laugh of like, man, how often you see John Rom try to hit the ball 30 feet left when he's got a gap wedge in his hand? You know what I mean? Yeah. So maybe I'm just celebrating that you're super close. I think you're super close to this, Neil. And I think like, I kind of have the same feeling of you when watching a ball is it going to stay in the fair way. or not because your birdie opportunity was going to come from the fairway. But again, you can get mad at data all you want.

I'm not talking to you specifically, but people in general roll their eyes at this of like, they're going to record every shot hit from the fairway and everyone from the rough and you can come up with an estimate of what the penalty is for being in the rough. And the penalty for being in the rough, the last that I looked at it was much less than a normal PGA tour event. Even if the rough's thick and it's hard to get close to the hole, what you just said is what makes the penalty of that rough go down to like,

whether you're not you're in the fairway or in the rough, you can kind of hit to the middle of the green, and we're both going to kind of play from there and figure it out. And I'm getting word from our producer that Ron pulled the shit out of that one on 10. He did, but you couldn't miss right. He missed right of that pin on 10 from the fairway. And he also was like not going to make that mistake again. So a couple of things.

I think I think rise wedge play is kind of the antidote to some of the strokes gain stuff. Yeah, he also like hit it better with his wedges than. Some of the other guys that were driving it farther than him when he had wedges his hand. So to your point, like you look at the top, you know, like honestly, shout out to the PGA championship website. It's like very easy to stack and sort. Like it's, it's been, it's been a good website all week. Um, there's it's there seems to be a much stronger correlation between the top five, top 10 finish here this week and putting than anything else. Like it's it's, it's crazy looking at this. Like just go to the website and.

sort it and stack it that way. Um, and like, I'm not trying, like, I don't know if I'm right about this. You know, you say often, like, we're not experts at golf. We're experts about telling people how we feel about golf. We're experts in our opinions. I'm just giving my opinion that like, it, for whatever reason, I can't figure out why, but like that wasn't for me this week. And in, like, it was a grand stage. The crowds were out there. The Philly fans, like, high golf IQ like all the ingredients were there and so for me it's a little bit of that meme of like i don't know what any of this shit is and i'm so confused i'm scared right of like i don't know why i didn't enjoy it i just fucking didn't guys can i can i can i i'm scared let me float one thing because

i think this ties into what is the pGA championship what is the identity because i think if this exact tournament had the white team markers and the red pin flags and the usga flags flying on the grandstands, I honestly feel like it would be a little different. If you came into it knowing like, this is the U.S. Open, we're going to suppress this. We're going to protect PAR. I think people are almost more pre-approved to be like,

oh, this is what this is about. It's what they do. And I get it. And, and, Sally, you might feel similarly about everything you're saying, but I just even mean like on the macro level, I feel like you're mentally in a different place. Whereas at the PJ Championship, I don't think you really know what to expect.

And I think when they go to Frisco next year, it's going to be totally different. When they go to Olympic, it's going to be totally different. When they went to Bahala, it's totally different. When they go to Whistling Straits, it's totally different. And that's up to you. You can see that as a feature or a bug that like we're just going to, we're going to follow our nose. And the tournament's going to be whatever it's going to be. But I think as a fan, that makes it very hard.

It makes it hard to know what you're, what you're in for. Because when I go to the Masters and it rains or it doesn't blow or whatever, I'm like, amen corner is amen corner. What's he going to do on 15? where's the pin on 16. When I go to the open, I'm like, ah, well, the wind didn't blow, but hey, that's links golf, you know, tip your cap to call Morcala or whoever. With this event, it's like, it's just hard to know what you're going to get.

And so I don't know. Your cap to carry a head because he was in a bad mood this morning. So I don't know what, I don't know what my question is, I guess, other than I don't know how you change that when you're going to so many different venues, when you're going to a lot of these venues that are just wildly different from each other. I think the U.S. Open identity is taken. And I think when you try to do a bootleg U.S. Open, I think it people bump. Not as good venue.

People bump on that a little bit. I kind of weirdly am leaning back towards like maybe the PGA championship should take some of that. TC, cover your ears if you want. But you know what seems to work is Belle Reeve and Beth Page. Honestly, at this point, I'm for it, man. Like some of the, I don't know. Does that be closer to the players than the U.S. Open, I think? Like, the players is not afraid of low scores.

It's par 72. It's got birdies. It's got, you're getting like a diet. This setup's like a diet U.S. Open with all the challenge kind of being around the Greens, whereas like U.S. Open challenges are carnage and fun from like tea to green. Like you can miss and comically got spots off the T. You can make massive numbers.

You never know what's going to happen at the good U.S. opens. and it, I, I, I feel like I said it was going to be a birdie fest. I think I said 20 under might get threatened going to this week. Listen, guys, that was off. I was wrong about that. But I think I would have preferred that over, I think that may have come off. Like, that's a super like derogatory thing to say about this course and this tournament and this setup. Like, that's not necessarily the case.

Look, there's bad versions of birdie fest where it's like you can't make bogeys at all. But it just, it didn't feel like they got the mix right. if like they got dream conditions and it could have still been a really interesting i don't know god i'm so back and forth on this of whether or not i think of ronamics like a good is is major worthy venue it my heart says yes but like my brain is telling me like dude all everything looking at you the face is saying it's too short my body's telling me yeah you know i would I mean. Yeah, a little bit.

What I'm back with there, with both you and Dege a little bit is I'm comparing this more to the PGA tour that we see week to week. And what I was just had, what I was trying to say to you on Friday, TC, was I just, I'm happy that they're airing on the, we're missing on the right side of like, I would like to see it challenging. And yeah, maybe this was too challenging in, in, you know, certain parts of the game. Like I'm with you on the argument you're making that it turned into a punch. in contest.

I understand that. But I liked seeing these guys a little frustrated and like, throw your hands up attitude is enough. That might be good enough for me because it's like, yeah, man, I'm not seeing that a lot, you know, at the cognizant anymore. Like down it, it used to be at Palm Beach. Don't see it anymore. Don't see it any fucking way on the PGA tour, even at the players.

And so it's like, I think, two U.S. opens, a diet and a regular. I'll drink a Diet Coke too. I like regular and Diet Coke. I'm going to DC. U.S. Open Zero. Solly, I think to your point on the, like, I think when you have really firm greens, like they, like they were lucky enough to have this week, I don't think you need to go fucking overboard with the pins.

It's like that's where Neil, like when the ball got on the ground, I don't think, that's fine. I don't think anything good was going to happen when the ball got on the ground and started moving a lot on those greens because it wasn't going to end up in one of the high spots, right? where like one of the best parts of the tournament yesterday was like when when goddera up just fucking airmailed 11 green like and i think that we would have seen more of that if guys are like trying to play creatively or use a slope or a bank over here and i it was just like no guys were like no i have to hit the shot like i have to hit this exact shot you know yeah you could you could uh i'll find community with you on maybe some not funnel pins but where the slopes are

helping you on select holes. You know, we could have, we could have managed that a little bit better for some more fireworks. But overall, I just think that I'm still airing on the side of like, I'll, I don't know if I'll rewatch this movie, but I will look back fondly on the fact that I did. What do you, what do you think you're going to remember most from this week? I want to, I want to stress test what you're saying there a little bit. Probably the discourse, honestly.

Like the fact that people got like, like, so heated. People are like, oh, my, you know, this course set up. I don't think this conversation's ever been so fraught. So, like, that'd be some of it, Dege. I'll remember, like, the, I thought the court, like, the course is striking. The, like, the T shot on eight is one that I'll think about. The, the 11th hole is like a very memorable golf hole. And, and to you see, to your point, I think it could have been set up to be really fun one day,

or I kind of felt like we got the same vibe there all four days. And that felt like a hole that could play very differently. But I don't know if you agree. if that, you know, I don't want to go with, like you said, theme day might not be what you're looking for. It's also, you know, what you like in a golf term is massively subjective. Why the discourse this week seemed to be like attacks on people's opinions of what they like about a golf. I'm not telling anybody else how to feel about this. I'll tell you how I feel about it, but I'm not telling anybody else how to is that was a bizarre part of like.

Cody, can you flash the image up? Like, this is how I felt. I don't know what any of this shit is and I'm fucking scared I don't know what to expect I don't know what to hope for from this tournament and maybe that's what Terry Clark's here to solve is you know what?

Yeah we do need an identity and we're going to look at how to fix this. Yeah. Hey, Dege, one thing before, I know we're trying to move off of this and to help kneel out a little bit. What I think I'll remember outside of the overall discourse is that when we came in this morning,

you saw JT executing the shot. And I think that's where it's missing for a large group of us. And his score matched that. And then you had Fitz and Noren come along. And then Kittiyama. And then Rye. They executed the shots. They made the putts.

And I feel like Rom watching him down. Like it felt like every putt of John Roms was just short. And they're all online. And I don't know what or why that was. But I truly, I feel like Aaron Rye is the, the deserving winner of this championship because he executed it the best. I don't think anybody's. Totally agree.

Disputing that. I think the dissonance a little bit comes from when you see guys executing the shots. And like that's great. And then you see a bunch of dudes not executing the shots down the stretch. And then also not getting carnage or variability down the stretch when people don't execute the shots. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. I think you said something, another thing really smartly earlier, T.C.

when you're talking about misses, like right off of the fairway, how penal that was, versus Cam's. Half of Cam's drives today were so far left that you're like, he was getting rewarded because of it because they're deep in galleries and everything else like that. So I don't know. This course time, baby. Let's talk trees. I don't know if we need to talk trees.

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I just didn't think the results were... I thought we had an extremely deserving champion and a good leaderboard. I just didn't, I couldn't make sense of it all. And it just didn't jive with our models and what we look for at the Fedora

5, you know, foundation, if you go. So, I loved this from the PGA tour. We're flashing a, if the glove you know gloves fit and then a picture

of Rye and listen if the gloves fit then like you can't acquit right you have to like guilty as charge he's the champion you know instead of we're living in a weird we're living in a weird time man

weirdest major I can remember it must be like right of the socials that aren't old enough to remember the OJ John yeah just it wasn't weird enough It wasn't, yeah. Nothing funny happened this week. Like there was, like some majors usually something funny happens, weird shit happens. It was, it was so weird and that it was so muted through, I don't know if there's anybody

to blame for that either. It just was like, dude, like Rory kicked a fan out today. That was one of the only controversial. One of my fellow birds fans? Yeah, I think your, your birds were getting a little chippy out there. Rory's a diehard Jets fan. I think he just had enough. That's what it was.

Well, T.C., you got anything else for us? Yeah, I've got five things that I love from this week. All right. You're rejoicing. You're rejoicing. Yeah, I wanted to just, you know, I'm a positive creature. I'm optimistic and all of that. And I wanted to just bring that energy to the live show tonight.

So first of all, I want to give a shout to Ken Brown. This is. Ken Brown was awesome all week. And I don't know how he's not more of a staple on just generally speaking on, brought like that's exactly what early round coverage should look like teach me something make me laugh a little bit be pithy show us the golf course a little bit give us some previews of what we're going to see that day it was it was great this is uh i don't want to step on you if you got any cbs stuff i thought cbs was great today considering today they were great that was i thought they were the face they evolved yeah like that that's

the other thing like carry hig just you set them up for failure like i don't know like cbs i don't of how you're supposed to cover 35 guys being in the mix. Well, what I was going to say is the stuff every time Ken Brown's involved, the stuff that I learned about the golf course comes from the segments that he does, which is where I'm like, man, how does that not, how does more of that not make it into the broadcast from week to week, even at, I don't know, TBC Twin Cities at what, like, whatever. Johnson Wagner now. Well, Johnson Wagner was awesome.

I would call that out as well specifically, like him walking with Rory's group. Every time it was hard. Again, this is where I'm not trying to step on CBS because they're trying to go just golf shot, golf shot, golf shot, golf shot to cover all these people that are in. Today they were. They didn't get off the bus yesterday. But every time they could linger on Johnson, he was great.

But to your point about Ken Brown, I'm like, man, the best stuff I learned was, you know, Scotty hitting the shots into, like the way he was shaping shots. The little thing about the pin on eight, the par three from Ken Brown. It was just, yeah, can't co-sign that enough. He was great. And if we can do any more of that stuff on any other broadcast, I will watch it. Somebody said T-C. is going to wake up at 3 a.m. screaming Carrie Hague.

That's what the spelling should be of Kerry Hague. H-G-U-E. H-A-G-U-E. Yeah, the H-A-G. Send him to the egg. All right, what's number two? Number two. Terry Hague, too.

Just Philly in general. Gary Clark and Carrie Hague. That was great. Philly in general, my people, man. Just good people up there. High IQ golf fans. The roast pork sandwich this week. Baller.

Loved it. Give me more of it. Can I just say I will, one, a lot of post shot shouts, a lot of bad ones. I just want to call that out. I think you get that anywhere, but just a lot of those. How do we feel about the Eagles chance out there? It's so. Love it.

I like about it was different every hole. Like that was part of it. It was just, you know, haven't heard this. See, a lot of people don't know they were doing that at Scotty because he's a Cowboys fan. That's a rival.

You guys see DAC? Big DAC news this week. We won't get into that. We'll see that. Just go over to that. Number three, the greens having slope. This wasn't Valhalla.

This wasn't Quail Hollow. This wasn't TPC Harding Park. These greens had slope. They had character. Was it used properly? Maybe not. but they had slope they did cannot deny it 100% agree uh number four bumper music i thought espn and cvs did an awesome job all week with the bumper music uh they were i know that's hard

they got to do that ahead of time they got to get the rights they got to pay for for all that music and stuff they had some some country bangers they had all sorts of oh they had the roots and they had their yeah they hit us with kennie loggins a couple times which it was that always The range was unbelievable, both on ESPN and on CBS. So I thought they did a great job with that. Shout out to the producers, the, you know, whoever the musical director was. I believe it was Joe Carpenter from our mutual source.

When we were shouting that out on a text thread. On the ESPN, I believe. Oh, he was on ESPN. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So, you know, listen, I thought, I thought Sellers was a little shy about showing golf shots early on Saturday. and they got into the rhythm a little bit more,

but sticking with Rory a little bit too long on some of the walks and just, you know, I thought the T-Mobile camera was bad. Anyway, this is positive stuff. Lastly, number five, P. Just having him back, his attitude, his quotes and the pressers,

his shirts, all of it. His shirt with a rageous. P rules. Get him on the President's Cup team. Very, very. very glad i stood up to you p simps last night you guys got were getting really carried away uh happened happened at the masters too and i'm just glad glad we glad we didn't all get get swept up in all that i had fun even even par 70 today not he shot minus three on the weekend um it wasn't you know wasn't his best golf

but he was greasy all week man he was four in approach play he was sixth in tita green his potter let him down this week which is shocking can't have a wrong week for that Shinnecock's going to be another good fit. What are you going to do? Tommy. If it was down to P versus Tommy, I think that's it. I don't need to follow golf anymore after that. Like that's the mountain top, baby.

How do you convince yourself that Tommy's a great fit for Shinnock right now? I think he's a great fit for Shinnik. I think he was conserving his energy this week. We don't have to talk about that tonight. And also, to be fair, convinced himself of that like four years ago. I know. Has it moved off of that. When they announced it was going to be able to do that.

is jenicock honorable mention i love the fly private jet thing on daddy schmidt's hat very direct very very efficient that was great oh that's marvelous that's a good list good list thank you neal neal shout out to your your your homies at the pga of america i think they they managed through a tough logistical week with with ingress and egress obviously there's there's you know there's there's There's food that's not free, but that is included. It is included. It's a nice experience. The cost of attendance.

And yeah, and honestly, also, shout out to ESPN for no Jason Kelsey this week. That would have been a layup for them. I know he was on site and they said, they told him thanks, but no thanks, Jason. Thank you. Not that against Kelsey,

I just over, oversaturated. It's a lot. Sure. It, it was a challenge. challenging, challenging venue. You guys tell me, did it feel a little muted out there?

Like some of the drone shots, I know were pretty high up. Like, it just didn't feel like the crowds were that big today. Today or this weekend? Like it felt pretty, felt buzzy on Thursday being out there. But I don't know. I mean, we didn't really have the moments. I guess 17 kind of gave us the big moment with Ryan making the putt. But just a little muted out there.

It's all 30 foot putts for far there for Bertie that are missing. I'm the bad guy. And I'm the bad guy here. Maybe people were upset about. Don Ray not being there. It's possible. They didn't have as many tickets, Sallie. That's what I'm asking.

I got a property. You know what I mean? But I don't think it didn't. It wasn't noticeable to me like it was, um, uh, it didn't feel like unattended or like, oh man, nobody cares. I didn't get that sense on TV. Uh, any other birdies and bogeys, just kind of empty in the notebook. Things you, things you liked, things you didn't like.

Anyone, anyone that wants to, to shout them out. I got a bogey blocky not being there on the weekend like deed we were we were texting about it a little bit yesterday morning of just have blocky out there on one of the par threes doing it close to pin with the guys grow in the game I think yeah the pace is going to be slow with the wind is up have them out there hitting trick shots or something I like couldn't agree more he's doing a stand-up comedy routine on every every T-box anyway he was doing like a legit bill burry at pebble beach for a while this week it was it was great I would shout out Justin Rose, 6569 on the weekend, another top 10 in the major while he's doing some live testing of new clubs. I mean, the guy's, you know, it's impressive stuff. He was on the softs this weekend. This is a random one, and this is the PJ Tour Simping me, but a birdie for the players championship. I think that's right, man. I know that was one of my takeaways as well

and this is yeah it comes back to identity it comes back to a lot of things but I'm getting I'm inching closer and closer I'm not I'm not quite to where Brandel is but I'm I'm kind of laughing less at the

fifth major what feels biggest biggest tournaments in golf type of conversation fifth major or fourth major that's where I was going to be the end of my sentence is like I don't think I'm not looking to add a fifth, but I'm right. I'm interested in a little competitive starvation or a little, you know, a competition for

QB4 here. If, you know, I'd love to see both of the, the players and the PGA kind of, uh, maybe we have an open tryout next year. What, you guys tell me what's, what's better at players or PGA Frisco, uh, gets to be a major going forward? Well, Dege, especially if in the next, like, if the PGA tour sets up sawgrass appropriately, again, like they did this year. Yeah.

And if they, if as has been widely reported, they add some more slope back into the greens and some teeth back into the golf course, like sign me the fuck up. And buy the Marriott. Yeah. Yeah. And by the scarcats. And connected to the intercoast of waterway. Yeah. I got a bogey.

Mav McNeely this weekend. I thought Mav was primed. It, swing, you know, just didn't quite have a swing. He was wayward off the tee. He caught up with him. But I was hoping at least for a top 10, like first time. top 10 in a major for him because I think he's one of those guys that just incrementally improves every year similar to like an Aaron Rye of like he's got to get comfortable he's got to get his

feet under him and then he's and then he's going to take another step forward the next year another step forward and I think he was T18 at the Masters he's T18 at the PGA I thought that was a pretty ripe opportunity for him this weekend that you know good experience but need to see more I got I got a bogey I put a couple knuckles on Nick Taylor to not have a bogey to day. So just to clarify, you thought he was going to go bogey free the whole weekend? Yeah, I figured why not. He did it yesterday.

Why not? Hot hand. And he did on the front nine, one under. And then he bogeyed 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, and 18. So he's like, once the mega vote has ended, that is like, well, that's over. You'd rather make a lot of bogeys than just one, though, like if you're going to miss the back. So I thought that was funny. I just, that was like, you know, a true bogey, a lot of bogeys there.

I would shout out Bertie Padrick Harrington finishing in the top 20 I think he was like the oldest player to finish in the top 20 at a PGA since Sam Sneed I believe if I'm reading this right just an unbelievable force of nature Patrick Harrington continues continues to be made an eagle today on 16

birdied the last hole just just delightful stuff well we didn't talk about them just real quick the experience you guys have any any party thoughts to each no, I picked him. More hopeful than ever. I loved, I will not unsee what we saw from the driver.

That's exciting when you start talking about U.S. opens that are probably different than what Shinnock's going to be. But still, that would be a nice skill set to have for the next couple of years. But listen, I picked him at the Masters for very specific reasons because course knowledge matters. And people who've played the Masters a lot tend to rise. I did not pick them this week. I thought you were doing for fun. I thought we were tying a bow on that. That's all just for the listeners' sake, you know.

Real quick, though. I think if you're into the speed stuff. Did you pick at the Masters, Neil? The big golfer. Yeah, okay. Interesting. And I regret it every day, DJ. I called it.

I called it, David, didn't I? I hold myself in contempt, okay? Nobody hates me more than me, okay? I really thought you were just picking him like for entertainment sake and for fun sake. You thought he was really going to win? Oh, I guess I could have picked Scotty Sheffler. That would have been fun. No, okay.

But that is, more in line with what I thought you were doing. I'd be boring to actually try to predict the winner. Top 12, man. Gets in next year. Real quick, in all seriousness. Like, I don't think you could have watched golf this week and not thought, holy shit, this was a big step in the right direction.

He was third in T to Green this week. Yeah, man. Awesome off the T. Putter looked fucking rancid. So we got to get that figured out. That's exactly why you can't feel that way. T.C. Even the magic with the putter's gone.

But I felt so much better about his shot making and his ball striking than I felt in like three years we're building something yeah the putting i don't know if the foundation putting's got to fill in it it putter's gonna it's got to get hot one of these oh we've been saying that for nine years go but the ball striking wasn't as good last five years or so you know he has the minerals but maybe that bottle and it may have ran out of metal so fucking close i don't know guys little smash and grab 65 for matt fitzpatrick today i totally miss that yeah how about that Um, super. We do not have to do this tonight, but I just went right into the record, uh, for a bogeys, just the governing bodies with the distance thing. Just, you can say what you want about Rye, you know, with it, the ball running. Like he carried his drive 294 on 18.

And he's one of the shortest guys in golf. Like that has contributed to a lot of the problems we discussed tonight. So don't have to do it, but just need to read to the record. Just everybody involved. Not just the governing bodies. Everybody. Yeah. Tor. OEMs everybody. I hope. You do it. Everybody gets a bogey. Sounds like a bunch of athletes out there, guys. Let's give a little bit of shop credit away real quick

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We're just going to do it right now. Buck it. Giving away two? Yeah, might as well. Is it going to be? Glasper 2743 email, Cody. And we'll get you some shop credit. Thank you for being in a live chat and being here live.

What's next? Hey, I see what you guys did earlier. You bumped going down the leaderboard up in the agenda. But you only gave me like 90 seconds to actually, we didn't actually go down the leaderboard. Most of the down the leaderboard is not actually the top 10. Real quick. Did we learn anything from Cam Young this weekend?

He was sick. He was sick. He was sick? Yeah. So we learned that. I just learned that. Yeah. I just talked about that.

I don't know if that was, you know, half the tweets are lies anyways. but that he was on antibiotics or something this week. So under the weather. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Top, what did he? 25th or something? 30th.

26th. Tide for 26th. Feels like the absolute floor for him right now, obviously. Did we learn anything about Patrick Cantley this weekend? You guys are like pretending like I thought he was going to win by 12 or something. I was just alerting you guys so your houses didn't get blown away. No, but you don't. need to. The winds were like five miles

an hour. You can be the guy that's like, I'm not fucking, I'm not leaving. I've seen you have no idea the storms I've seen roll through this place. I'm not getting out of it. I'm not evacuating. I just, you got to trust your meteorologist. I've lost trust in you. There's no reason to alert us on Kali this. I was getting nasty comments

today about being a sensationalist. Like some of the weather channel people who are just trying to keep you on the channel. I was just trying to alert anybody that it could be happening. And it was happening for no 40 holes 40 42 holes something like that and then obviously the storm passed and he finished t 35 so congratulations to him on his t 35 finish thank you tc i want to just call attention to taylor pendrith shooting four over on the first two days and then a little smash and grab on the

weekend little 67 71 um Corey conner's really faded brooks faded today disappointing sunday from brooks double on on 17 late there expected more from from Sahith both the Hoygard twins made the cut just want to shout that out final round 69 from from our captain

LD and then like that's not nothing straight he's like a part-time player I mean that's pretty badass step up and make the cut in the major I circle back on Brooks just to say like I think following him the next couple of weeks ahead of Shinnecock's going to be super interesting

just like looking at for a sign of life with the putter and getting to a place that he's won before. And I don't, I, not a good finish. T-55, not been great, but I'm, I'm still monitoring the Brooks situation. I think there's, there's some fight left in the old boy. Do we think Brooks plays C.J. Cup in Colonial because he's not getting into Memorial, right? where's he where's he on the next 10

TC I can't believe I got to look that is he even eligible for the next 10 I think as you guys are looking that up also want to give a shout out to Ben Kern Ben Kern shooting 77 72 on the weekend beating the great man Brian Campbell by five

on the weekend after one of the worst rounds of golf anybody's ever seen in the history of golf Brian Campbell's Saturday, 82. Also, beat Michael Brennan this week too. Solo 80th. Brendan finished 81st.

Through last week, Brooks is he's currently the seventh person on the Aon Swing 5. He's got to play well at CJ Cup, which is, you know, I don't know that I'll be watching super closely, but that's an interesting storyline. What a place to remember the five. Remember the swing five.

TPC Craig James. New and improved. Deep cut. What else we got? Much of anything? It may be worth looking ahead a little at some future sites for the PGA championship

for those that aren't familiar. It's going to PGA Frisco next year, the East Course, designed by Gil Hans. This is in Frisco, Texas. It's a week later next year. It's May 20th through 23rd, just kind of getting as close to the,

Texas summer as you possibly can for that date. It's going to be interesting. I mean, it's an interesting golf course. The aesthetics are like a one out of ten, I think, just in surrounding areas and the colors and the landscape. I think it is going to be jarring for a lot of people that watch it and are going to just hate it from the first time they lay eyes on it. We've talked about this before.

When you go to a Chambers Bay, when you go to an Aaron Hills, when you go to these courses that do not have a ton of history. of hosting major championships and do not have like memberships. Players are a lot less shy about their opinions on this. So I think there's quite an opportunity for quite a lot of bit of bitching going to next year as well. I'm, I don't know what's going to happen. I like the golf course. I think it's a good golf course.

I think it's challenging. I think it has strong elements to it. If they get some wind, if they get some firmness, there's a lot. It could be a nice, solid test. I think everything I just laid out, though, is going to be. contribute to it not being one of the most spectacular venues we've seen for this championship. We'll see. I'm happy we're going somewhere different.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not going to prejudge it. Certainly not a year in advance. I find it very interesting that, you know, it is a resort course and they're pushing people through there and a lot of people go play it. But it is pretty purpose built to host major championships, you know, which I think is, I think puts a lot of pressure on it, you know, to see how it hosts. a major championship, but it also should theoretically

there's no shortage of land out there. There's no shortage of space. They can push that thing way back. We are not going to be having the is this place too short conversation next year. It's just a yeah, it's interesting for a lot of reasons that are different than

Shinnock and Augusta and Sawgrass and all those places are interesting. It's interesting because it's an unknown. It's purpose built and they had to switch switch the finishing holes for the ladies. There's some bad holes out there. There's some really good holes out there.

I think it's a little bit uneven. And I think maybe if you got a free role and like you should probably be building more championship golf courses these days if things keep trending the way that they are. And I think overall, I think people are going to be disappointed that hey, this was purpose built

to host major championships and this is what we got a little bit. We'll see. That very well may have. I'm going to try my hardest to dig my heels. I'm not pre-conditioning myself on that, but it is a lot of sawgrass talk today. But you heard Brian Rollap, you heard the setup committee, you heard the players talk a lot at the players about, man, it's nice to own this place. We can do whatever the hell we want for our championship at this place.

PJ of America has the same luxury next year. Again, there's no excuses next year if it doesn't, if it doesn't go well, is where you should be, this is where you decide you choose your own adventure if you're an optimist or a pessimist right if you're if you're an optimist that's the that's the bull case is yeah there's no no restrictions they should be able to do whatever they want but uh we'll see there has been a lot of changes too i will say that since you guys have last seen it all the fair or uh excuse me all the t-boxes went through they're all leveled now none of the the long ribbons that you get some downhill side hill things like that uh i like it like that i think they have

They put in a ton of trees too. Well-placed trees, but I think it's like up into 75 or 80 trees. New T-boxes TC on 9 and 18, so they don't have to flip them like they did for the KPMG. They're listening to feedback. And for a property that they own, I think that's the best thing that you could say. And adding some trees would be good. I mean, they're going to need some shade out there for people that are attending this. I think that is.

That was the consideration more than any strategy with the trees, right, Cody? Correct. I think 2 is a really cool hole. I think 10 through 13 or 14, like 10 through 14 is going to be fascinating. That par 5, like the blind par 5 and the long par 3 there. 15's awesome. There's really cool shit out there. Speaking of trees,

something that I'll remember from this week, Neil, is your conversation with Gil. Gil getting dumped on about all the trees that are on them being cut up. I didn't do it. I mentioned this on Thursday, but I was the right side of two. Ludwig and Bryson both blew it into the hospitality tense. And I'm standing over there waiting for Bryson to hit. And I look to my right and it's Gil.

I was like, oh, Gil, what's up, man? And I'm, and I, we were, you know, talking for a minute. And I go, hey, just, just curious. Like, have they taken a lot of trees out since it was here in 2018? He was like, no, man, all those trees came out in 2010, like five years before I even started work on this place. He's like, now some of them are dying. You know, the ash trees are getting

crushed up there, Dej, and the red oaks, but he was like, I'm getting blamed for this tree thing. I don't know. I had nothing to do with it. So I got a kick out of that. After Friscoe, we're going to Olympic Club, Sali. We're going back to Baltis Raul. We're going

to Congressional, which will have been redone since the last time we saw it on the men's side, certainly. Kiowa, Southern Hills. Sorry, just pause. will be the first one under the quote rolled back golf ball in 2030 true uh kioa southern hills beth page back to frisco and then oak hill so there you have it a mix of a mix of stuff uh some familiar name some new stuff pretty pretty pGA this will be first time back to olympic club since they redid it

i think olympic club's better um and baltimore next year i think olympic comes an interesting test i don't know if it's exciting, but it's an interesting test because all the side hill lies and and stuff. I don't know. I'm trying to be optimistic. Saw anything else? Not really.

No, I think, yeah, what a freaking weird major man. I don't, I don't, the weirdest ones is we've probably started covering them, I think. I don't know what the second one would be of just maybe the felt like, like the most random possible final result and the weirdest route of getting there and weirdest viewing

week um i don't know harmon maybe a little bit felt that way at liverpool but uh maybe just because he's just a really really really weird week and i had a great time i had great time up there in person and and uh great time walking the grounds didn't have the most fun i've had watching it uh on television Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, though. Which, as we said earlier, I think, takes nothing away from deserving champion. Guy who hit the shots, Neil. Eric Ryan, major champion.

That's the world we're going to live in forever. It takes adjustment, you know? It's, we didn't have it, didn't have it on the board. I mean, it's very similar to spawn at Oakmont last year. Like similar statistical profile, similar, just all the way around. Different tests than we thought we were going to get.

Maybe a little contrived. It felt less sudden with Spawn because we saw, I mean, he won prior in the year and almost won the players as well. And it was like, yeah, this guy's on a, it was a surprise wind, don't get me wrong, but it was less random. I think Rye was 250 to 1 in a lot of places going into this week. Just a reminder that sports aren't simulated.

AI hasn't come for these yet. Except for the 2016 PGA, Paul's as well. Exactly. Except for that one, of course. It is, man. it's it's I would rule if you bet on Aaron Rye this week. My brother-in-law did. Really?

Yeah. Six grand. Just, I mean, imagine how many other guys did he bet on? I don't, I haven't asked him that, but he sent me a, sent me a screenshot. I was like, oh, fuck, man, that's sick. He lost 11 grand in bets, but he won, won't, one on Aaron Rye. I made two bets this week, Ludwig and got her up. Imagine placing that bet and then just hearing all these guys in the press room.

Oh, God, we're going to wail the, you have no idea how about how, how hard we're going to hit the drivers this week. Like you said, that's why they play the games, Neil. Why they play it's not, it's not a simulation. We got a question from Vic Vinegar 17.

This just really, this one cuts so deep. Is Ludwig closer to Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence? I think this was heavily directed at you, T, C. Yeah. Yeah.

Just damning. I would say he's like the, the epitome of Justin Herbert right now. It's true. Yeah. It just kind of lacks some feel for the game and feel for the script and just struggling to layer some things in, layering some touch passes in. Yeah, but those deep outs are lasers to the sideline.

What do we think about the borough, a burrow comp for Ludwig? I like, I like, I like, no, Burroughs and Herbert. No, I think Herbert's a better comp. I think, I think Herbert's a really good comp right now. like bottles it in the playoffs right now no i'm saying right now i'm not saying that's what he is like somebody asked me at our at our meet up in career too yeah bro's a dude man like he's i know like we we can't through a t4 and a major like like like this is a bad week for ludwig i don't live in that world i think this was a negative like

i just yeah but you also said it might be the biggest dove in the history of his career yeah you came off him earlier in the week too you knew this was coming i did i saw this coming early I think the somebody asked me at our meetup trying to tell you guys she came off somebody that finished way behind him oh I tried to tell you guys Jalen hurt like they said like who who's the golfer equivalent of Jalen Hertz and I couldn't figure that one out I figured it out though guys hold on Zach Jones let us go okay okay okay just corny as hell I was some big maybe has some big wins people out of his home market mostly hate him push then uh him tapping down all the spike marks at st andrews in 2015 i knew it laying up on all the

par fives at augusta and winning can't argue with the scoreboard there's going to be a lot of discourse this week uh continuing about iron covers and gloves and everything but like as a you know as a little bit of dad talk here at my kid like phase of my kids is like phase of my kids who don't take anything like they don't cherish anything they expect like everything given like i inspired like i hope my kids someday are erin rye man because i get it it's cheesy you could dunk on it very easy but like for how long he's been at it and to still like kind of carry that pride and tradition and thankfulness to his family like it's pretty damn cool yeah it's fantastic i see a guy that's super super comfortable in his own skin

and like I think that's such a skill's not the right word but it's such a great trait where it's like I don't care if you think it's lame like truly doesn't matter to me like I'm doing it for a reason it's it's yeah I've boomeranged on the iron cover thing I'm not going to have iron covers but I respect those iron covers

and what they stand for now I also his quote about putting baby oil on his irons when he was younger that also puts his entire career into question Oh, born substances. That's right, T.C. So, Neil, I will say, you know, I know the PGA of America cops a lot of shit. I think there are, like we, a lot of great PGA pros out there, the 30,000.

I took, I took Freddie to PGA Junior League at the club that Aaron Rye lives at. Here on a feature of that plantation where Sali got absolutely panced during U.S. Open qualifying. and where the great man Peter Coucher once roamed. But, and you know what? They rolled in and they got the dub. So the plantation didn't get all the dobs today. Hey, congratulations. No, seriously, thank you to the PGA pros out there

who grind and sweat and are often betrayed by their own organization. And I think hopefully that's on the mend moving forward. But it was a shame we didn't get to see Don out there this week. He's to focus on the membership. Trying to improve. And his deputy, Nathan Clark. Well,

as we're on the way out here, just a little bit of housekeeping stuff on our side, we, this was very exciting, genuinely this week. We announced the first ever recipient of our NLU Evans Scholarship

this past week, down at Miami University, up at Miami University, across at Miami University, from where I'm at. The you. Congrats to Abby. Boyer, which was very exciting, pumped to have her flying the flag as the first NLU Evan Scholar.

If you're not familiar with this, we've been trying to raise money for about a year now. Basically, we're trying to raise $500,000 to donate to the Evan Scholarship. That amount of money would ensure that we have an NLU scholar in perpetuity. So we'd have a scholar for four years, and then it would roll over into another scholar for another four years and so on and so on until the end of time, Neil. And we've made such a big dent in it that they actually are like you're on your, you've, you've already, you know, nailed a half scholarship essentially. So we'll just get the ball rolling.

We're going to give the first one to Abby Boyer, which we announced this week at Miami. So we got to meet Abby. We're doing a Ness podcast with her, which is very exciting. Just an awesome, genuinely great feeling and cool impact made by the community, all of our events, the roosts, it's just, it's awesome. I can't say enough great things about this. And I also can't say enough great things about the next 10 days. We are, our friends of Titleist, are matching anybody who wants to donate to this scholarship, up to $15,000. So if you've kind of been on the fence, if you weren't sure about whether you wanted to donate to the scholarship or not, now would be a great time,

because Titleist is going to match those donations, like I said, up to 15 grand. So another good chance to make a big dent in the podcast or in the in the in the scholarship so pumped about that uh he's a yinzer she's from she hits it's Pittsburgh yeah she can help settle a long held debate yeah that was our first question uh first question from her uh sallie what's the plan with the podcast going for we got an interesting couple weeks coming up it is uh we'll have a new podcast interview out uh this coming tuesday i spoke with julie elli on uh the famous golf course psychology guru, if you will, she did a little

work on my brain, which we do live on the podcast as well as talking about some of her experiences there. We are going to be traveling here on this upcoming weekend. We leave actually on Sunday to film a new season of Taurus for those that are

patiently waiting for that. We're going to have kind of a stitch together episode this coming Sunday. A quick reaction to the CJ company of the world of pro golf. But we intentionally Intentionally did did travel during Sunday of CJ Cup. That was TC's work there. But also next week,

we're going to have two parts of a Pete Dye deep dive that we've done. Sunday, May 31st, we will not have a Sunday recap due to our travels. But we will have, again, a part one of a deep dive on Pete Dye next week on the 26th. Part two will come out on the 31st. Then we're right into the first week of June and we'll be doing a,

a preview of the U.S. Women's Open and we'll be out there, almost straight from our trip, out for the U.S. Women's Open out at Rift. So big couple of weeks coming up. That's right. Touristals Rino-Jive. We're collaborating with the Southern Guards. Exactly.

Neil, we haven't recorded the Pete Diet episode yet. I just blocked your calendar for the whole day. Strapped in, man. It's a big one. Got a big, meaty hold on the calendar. Yeah, if you liked our CB McDonald's little mini-series that we did earlier in the years, be kind of similar, similar in that vein. Deeds, just one thing.

I wanted to shout out for the Evan Scholar thing. If, for the page, if you go to no laying up.com and just navigate to the get involved. There you go. Button up at the top. You'll see the NLU times ESF link and you can donate there if you're interested. So I just wanted to give people a destination for that. You can also just Google No Lang Up scholarship. That's the first, it's the first option that comes up when you do that as well.

There you go. On the video front, we've also got a, another one coming up. We've got the return of our hitting cups series that we started with Justin Huber. T.C., we watched last time your first competitive golf tournament in 20 years, which was very exciting. At the FSGA. This time we're going back

to the Gasparilla. Sali, you are not playing this time. It's our beautiful boy, Ben hoteling with Sallie on the bag. Me and Huber breaking it down. So that's going to be coming out week as well so look out for that big week big couple weeks we got a lot lot going on here so that is going to do it we are going to put the 2026 pGA championship in the books want to give a shout to our friends of course at tidalist high noon holderness and born and yeti Cody puts in a ton of work a round of applause from everyone in the chat so hit the subscribe button to give a round of applause here

to Cody in the in the in the in the uh here on the youtube page for everything he puts into the live shows uh during championship weeks there there are a grind as well uh and matt working behind the scenes on all our social stuff and to the entire team it's a lot of fun really appreciate you guys spending your major championship uh weekends with us weeks with us really um we'll be doing the same uh here for the last two men's majors of the year we'll be live on a bunch of sundays as well and got a lot of we have presidents cup so high a lot more live shows here to come this year so anything i'm missing congratulations to er and rye yeah well deserved well deserved champion uh thank you very much for we'll see you back here soon.

Cheers.