No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 828 - Golfers as Quarterbacks, Rory/Lowry win the Zurich, LIV Adelaide, and Equity on the PGA Tour

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

This week on the recap pod we open with a recap of the better-than-expected-Zurich Classic where Rory and Shane Lowry win in a playoff. Then we call in KVV for a segment we've been workshopping all week in conjunction with the NFL draft: comparing pro golfers and pro quarterbacks and vice versa (24:00). From there we pivot to LIV Adelaide (54:00) as well as the LPGA at Wilshire, Rory's potential return to the PGA Tour policy board, tour players receiving equity, and more. This episode is presented by: Vokey.com and the new Vokey SM10 wedges Rhoback.com (Best fit, Best feel) fanduel.com/nlu  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show.

I'm Johnny. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. I'm the host of the show. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lang a podcast. Sally here. Got my guy TC. We are twinning money round row back style.

If you're watching this on our podcast YouTube channel. Hello, TC. Greetings, Sally. Konichiwa. See, Neil Schuster is here. We got it. Hello, different lighting. If you didn't say anything, I would have thought TC was tandem when you were gray, but you've outed yourselves as wearing the same, the same pullover. Look, I wasn't going to change. This is my favorite. Soly's trying to match his, his background there in the black and white background. And you know, it's going to blend in 1940s Europe. We've got an action packed show.

We've got a lot of action. We've got a lot of action. We've got a lot of action. We've got a lot of action. We've got a lot of action. Soly's trying to match his, his background there. The black and white background. You know, it's going to blend in 1940s Europe. We've got an action packed show. We are going to be talking about the Zurich. We are also going to be doing a bit.

We have been talking about all week. We are going to be comparing professional golfers to NFL quarterbacks and vice versa. I guess I don't know. I don't want to, I don't want to shoehorn that TC is going to lead that. Happy draft week. I don't know. I don't want to, I don't want to shoe horn that TC is going to lead that party. Draft week. Yeah.

In honor, in honor of the draft. T-shirt. What the fuck are the Falcons doing? That will save that for the ball. I know this is all golf stick to golf, but I am incensed with the strategy coming out of the Falcons. You wanted me to give a rundown of the show. I know you're right.

Right. This is what happens. The ball knowers went two hours this morning. You'll get plenty of ball knowers. Okay, solid. Solid, please continue. We have live Adelaide. We have Wilshire on the LPGA tour, which is wrapping up as we speak.

We got a little DP world tour. We're going to talk PJ tour equity, bunch of questions, Rory potentially heading back to the board, some glorious NBC takedowns this past week. We'll be talking a little Torah sauce coming up. That's the run of show. Rory and Shaneedowns this past week. We'll be talking a little Taurus sauce coming up. That's the run of show. Rory and Shane Lowry won the Zurich. Brendan Steele and Ripper GC one live Adelaide.

Yuto Katsuura Gawa won the ISPS Honda in Japan and that was why I said Konichiwa. See. And then Tim Whiting, I assume he has closed it out by now. He was up by a billion on the corn ferry tour for back to back 30 under 30 under that's approaching in a man's codeys That's a Cody's course in Texas Rangers golf club And he's not the guy that shot 58 on the cord ferry tour this past week This episode is of course brought to you by our friends at titleist and the new Vokey design SM10 wedges Vokey wedges are the choice of more of the world's best players every week on the PGA tour this

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or use the online wedge selector tool to unlock the right SM10s for you at Vokey.com. Very, very important. I'm loving the SM10s. Real quick, yeah, I would just like to say that my 58 degree T grind SM10, probably top three favorite clubs I've ever owned. It's been a complete game changer for me out of the bunkers off shitty Bermuda off of firm Fescue. And I haven't played it off of, you know, bent or rye yet, but we'll see. It's, it's been awesome. Loving the SM10s. All right, guys, Zurich kind of crept up on us a little today. We

weren't planning to open the show with it, but you know, it's, it's not our favorite event, not my favorite event. It was sneaky good watch day. Rory, I do feel Rory's got to feel a little sheepish about this being his 25th win. Uh, you know, in this format, in this field, don't you think they shouldn't, uh, it should not count towards his career win total. It's kind of Sam Sneady if we're being honest. Agreed. Yeah. I think I've kind of consciously avoided this event for the last three, four or five

years. It's just, I don't know, the course, course hasn't done it for me. It's felt like an afterthought. I'm kind of burned out after the masters. I watched a bunch of it today. A lot of it because also in the pod tonight, a lot of it because Zach was in the hunt. And for whatever reason, the, the course was vibing with me. The work.

Yeah. And like, I don't know, I love Ult Shot. I think Ult Shot's great. I think the four balls is whatever. But it just got me thinking of, man, this should be one of the more fun big-time events on the tour. And it should be a more limited field. It should be at an awesome, awesome, classic golf course. And it should be like, you know, prime time or like, you know, let's say you do two rounds or three rounds of stroke play, and then you do a round of match play, like it should feel bigger than it is. Right? It's the one team event they do all year. And I think you could see it at the

end there with Lowry and and Rory. Those guys like, that was fun for them. Yeah, right. And it was fun. You can tell that like the European Ryder Cup team, they, like, there were more of those guys on like, you know, potential players on the European side playing in this event this week. And it just, it should be more of a like year to year big event. And it's not. And so, but that said, like it was, it was entertaining golf today, which was

more than I could say for previous years. And you, I would also say watching in years past, Xander Cantlay looked like they were having fun when they won, Cam and Leishman. It seems like everybody kind of comes away with it. You know, that's one has a good experience and playing more team golf, but I agree with you, TC, like it could be more more iconic, it could they could pour some gas on it, they could be more thoughtful about it, I guess, is the argument you're making. I do want to make a point about Rory. I agree, it shouldn't count towards his career wins, but getting dubs in whatever format, I mean, you know, you go to the you go to

the rec center, you get a rec league basketball win, it makes you feel pretty good. Lauren Coughlin won the NIT, came off of that, said it really helped her confidence. And she Monday qualified into an LPGA event. You know, I'm happy to see Rory, that's positive juice for him. And it's kind of like, hey, did you have a hole in one on a short course? Cool. That's a hole in one. That's on a different list. You know, there's an asterisk, but that's still a joyous occasion and it should be celebrated as such. So did you win over Martin trainer? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. Like sometimes it feels like this when Russ Cochran is playing in the field or like, it feels like a fucking

mule giveaway sometimes. Or I mean, Zach Blair and Patrick don't call me Lawrence Fishburne. Like, come on, man. What like I don't I never heard of that guy. It's unbelievable. I'm watching with my father-in-law. My wife said like a baby shower for a cousin. He's like, who are like, like, you know, he's not a golf.

He's like, are you like Ryan Bram? Who is that? A real person? I'm like, yeah, I know. He's like, can we turn the NBA back on? I'm like, yeah, you know, maybe when it's commercial, I'll flip it back over. Ryan brems and alpha. You might have to apologize for ride brev. You're Brian. He was the exact guy that's like, there's too many fucking tour cards.

Fall speed. Well, I, and I wanted to, I looked up his data golf. I sent you guys a screenshot of this data golf like profile. And it's like, it's like the de-skilling the game argument, like his picture should be in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, Well, I looked up his data golf. I sent you guys a screenshot of his data golf profile. And it's like, it's like the de-skilling the game argument, like his picture should be in the de-skilling, like the dictionary next to that. It's like, he's gaining like 1.7 strokes on the field, like driving distance. And then everything else is just like minus, minus strokes in every other part of his game. It's pretty sick. It, uh, it, it, it felt a little cold blooded from, from Rory and Shane who have kind of

all the status they'll probably ever need to be like everybody else in contention was like the, the story lives, the two year exemption is going to come with this one. I mean, I were kind of handed out here. It always feels like such a backhanded compliment or backhanded comment when they say like how big the two year exemption is going to be for somebody. It's like, Hey, you're not finishing the top. Whatever. Like you have no shot here. Like this is your one shot to be on this tour for two years. Every time I hear that, I laugh of like, yeah, I don't know if you're going to be out here in a couple of years, unless you win this tournament. There's a lot at stake right here.

And dude, Martin trainer has the weirdest golf career I've ever seen. quizzed you guys on this already, so you're going to know it. He's played 136 events in his career. He's made 38 cuts. He's missed 98 cuts out of 136 events. He had at no point has he ever had a 50 round moving average of scores. That's above average or even average at no point, even like a little snippet of his career, even a 25 round moving average, no 25 round stretch has he ever played at tour average or better in a 10 plus year career. Yet he is one on the PGA tour. He

almost won again. He's won twice in the corn fairy tour as well. The weirdest golfer I've ever come across. We had such the our slackrows cracking me up today. We like, first off, we used to have the trainer, the trainer act, which was season long betting game. TC kept counting his nuggets wrong. So we were like, there's a trainer rule that if he miscounted his plays, he had to bet all a hundred nuggets on Martin trainer next week.

It's just sweet. And it was the next week turned out to be the Puerto Rico open. And then we were calling him like a, he's like a venture capitalist where he's like, yeah, there's just a lot of like it's asymmetrical returns. That's all he's searching for. He's got a lot of write-offs, man. A lot of missed cuts, a lot of, you know, did not finish on that, uh, on that profile, but God, he just, I don't know, man, he, he, there's not a lot of swag there. He's got a lot of, you know, he's got a lot of, you know, he's got a lot of, you know, did not finish on that, uh, on that profile, but God, he just, I don't know, man. He, he, there's not a lot of swag there.

That last playoff hole was, was tough to watch the, uh, they shot 63 today though. The heaven Chad. I was going to say that was one of the, like the, maybe the, that's probably one of the best rounds on the PGA tour this year. Like 63 and all shot with two bogeys. And we had 11 birdies. I mean, they were in the clubhouse before coverage started on CBS though.

So I think, you know, the fights got a little bit more remarkable. Like it's, it's crazy. Of course he chunks that just completely play sought over the chip. May need some SM tens, right? It was, I don't know. I was weirdly captivated by it today. There's, there's, and you know, there's guys like Brent, like Brent almost made a fucking hole in one on a par four that's not supposed to be drivable. There's, there's,

you know, um, like Hubbard was putting so poorly. Uh, Zach was putting really poorly. It was, it's really weird when like, like, I would consider Zach, like one of my really Hubbard was putting so poorly. Zach was putting really poorly. It's really weird when like, I would consider Zach like one of my really good friends, one of my best friends. And it's really weird when you see that juxtaposed with like, oh man, you know what? This is kind of a get out of jail free card. Zach played really well, almost like top three or four at the Hartford event last year, keeps his card. His wife gave birth like six or seven days ago to their daughter. And he's

playing this week with Fishburne, who I mean, Fishburne melts the ball, but like he had a few down the stretch that were just off the planet, right? Zach couldn't make a putt. Fishburne had an unbelievable shot into the par five, seventh, his second shot in there and Zach missed the putt and then Zach rinsed it on nine. And he was just like, man, I was aiming like right of that green and got a gust. He hits a draw anyway and turned it over and you know, they make double there. They made double on 17.

When it becomes personal, these events seem to mean more of like, oh my God, like my friend, like he's all right. There's a million dollars per guy or $1.2 million per guy on the line here. Plus if he wins this, he has a two year exemption after this, plus that's gonna free him up to just free ride. And like he can basically- Aeon swing five, baby.

Push his chips in. Yeah, so I told him, I said, Zach, like nobody wants to see you play Coil Hollow in a couple of weeks. Cause like that's not a good course for you. So that's the upside here. You're not winning the Aeon Swing 5. You're into, you know, you're back just,

but like he needs to get it in the top 100 or so to keep his card. But that's what I would say too, like TC, like the guys that we've been fortunate enough to get to know and have put themselves out there within our content, like, and I've really endeared themselves to our community, Max Homa and Zach.

Like it does, it's really personal for us that, you know, our friends with Zach, but also like for the audience, like they've been along this journey with him and a bunch of our guys along the way. That's I don't know, there's something to that in terms of, you know, the whole community kind of rallying around somebody on a Sunday, which we felt it. It's also really cool to see like, like Zach's getting a four iron on the same hole that Rory's hitting a seven. You know, there's certain shots where I'm like, man, like this, this feels like,

like me playing against Freddie, like my son, my seven year old son in basketball sometimes. And Zach, he's just really good at golf. Like it's awesome. He didn't have it today. And I feel bad about that. But I mean, still still a T4. Yeah. But yeah, it was, I don't know, it's a weird event, man. It's, it's, you know, there's, there's some young guys, there was three, three sets of brothers in the field this week, like the Fitzpatrick's, the Hoy guards, and the cooties were all in the field this week. like the Fitzpatricks, the Hoygards,

and the Cooties were all in the field this week. I think the PGA Tour probably needs to do a better job of setting up pairings and feature groups and stuff like that. Why not pair up two sets of the brothers? Or there's all sorts of fun, weird stuff, like Chris Gotterup and Austin Echor barely made the cut this week, finished top 10. It's a good place to watch guys like Davis Riley and Nick Hardy. There's young guys playing together. You see who kind of vibes off of one another. Team golf is cool, but there's just so much mediocrity mixed in with it. I think in this event where like, again, Russ Cochran, I don't give a fuck about your 600 to start. There's no so much mediocrity mixed in with it. I think in this event where like, again, Ross Cochran, like I don't give a fuck about your

600 start. Like there's no difference between your 599 start and 600 start. It's a round number though. No, it's a round number. Yeah. It's just like with who was the lady? Podcasts. A couple of weeks ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Great. Shout out to K-Trek. Who was the lady on the LPGA tour? Like she's going for a hundred, going for 100 consecutive starts and majors. And it's like, I don't care. Earn it.

Don't ask for exemptions in. You gotta earn it, right? It's weird because I think at one point, I struggle with this because it seems like, it either is a specific idea that we have suggested in the past or seems like an idea we would suggest in the past of like, hey, Zeris got nothing for it, why don't you make it a team event? And then they do it. And you're like, well, no, not like that. Not like that. And

I don't, I don't have a great answer for this because like the teams don't really like make sense. You know, like you just have Max Grazerman and I don't even remember his partner and you're just like, okay, I have no idea why and you can't build the story up in this amount of time to like make this. Yeah, you can't. Like, it's just so random, right? Whereas you have like a Rory and like a Lowry thing. It's like, Okay, well, I know YouTube from playing in the Ryder Cup. Like, that's fun. And like, there is something to I

mean, just for I was stunned that Roy was playing this event. I mean, I four weeks in a row off the masters, off a signature event, uh, playing the week before the masters, like just seemed like the worst idea, but it does seem like, I don't know, I'm reading probably too much into it, but just the road, the, the journey has been pretty lonely for him in terms of just like everyone on the live side, obviously hitting them and a lot of tour guys, hitting him through it. Like I felt like he just wanted to do something with a friend like just had a tournament with a friend and like have some good

Dinners and just have fun in New Orleans like just pro golf can be really lonely and there's that aspect of like yeah This is this is probably a really fun event for them But I you know all your ideas about how to change it and all that it's things just work the opposite way, right? It's not like the tour is like, how can we put a great team event together? It's like, no, Zurich is like this tournament is saying, we're gonna do something to separate our event out. It's gonna be at this course,

it's gonna be in this community, it's gonna be to raise money for these organizations. And I give Zurich a bunch of credit. Like they, you know, they've been, I think this was their 20th year sponsoring it. They came in like in 2004, which was what? A year before Katrina. And you know, and they've stuck with it and they've poured a bunch of money into the community

and all that, you know, and it's a good event. I applaud the tour for, for trying on that front, but I just think like, all right, like if this is the only team golf event on the entire schedule, that feels like a little bit of a waste, right? Especially as we're about to talk about live Adelaide and youide and the best elements of that event are the team golf, right? And it feels like, all right, let's not throw that out or hey man, maybe if it's like different, if it's match play and you have a team

but you're playing singles or something like that. I don't know. I think there's something with like the European Ryder Cup team, they seem to use this as prep. You had Bob McIntyre, Thomas Detry playing together. You had a few other guys, obviously the Hoygards playing together. I was a little bit terrified to see Zala Torres and Tigala tying with Russ Cochran and Country Music sensation Eric Cole this week as well.

I would think like Zala Torres and Tagala would be a pretty good pairing. Yeah, it was a bizarre week. Pretty complimentary. So yeah. NYJDK said, does the Zurich exist in the ideal future of golf? I wish that I think we were going to talk about Liv and I like the team golf. I like team golf being a part of the highest level of golf more often. Both tours are missing on that

concept in various ways. Like nobody's figured it out quite yet. Let me throw an idea back at you, Solly. How would you feel if they rotated this event in as a signature event next year? With teams? With teams, same format. So the smaller field and like dudes, do you feel like that would add,

do you think that would work? Yeah, but then it feels like- It's not building to something, right? Like it's a one week team, like you're not, it'd be different if there were six team events throughout the course of a year and like who's going to take down Rory and Lowry would be a much different question than just like, all right, you two, it's just so hard to build that up.

You're like, you don't remember who played year over year. It's one, one out of 52 weeks. And it's just that I don't think I would feel that it'd be better than this, of course, but I don't know if I would burn a signature event just to do this because it also comes down to television as well. It's hard. It's just hard to build up two storylines that like the double the storylines in terms of individuals and what it means for them. Whereas like usually what works best for Sunday golf on TV is like, it's this guy and this guy coming down to it. And like you just the drama builds a little bit better versus like when

you're cutting between guys playing all shot and you're not really able to remember who's on what team it just kind of can lose a lot of context. But I think that helps with like if you make it a bigger event and you make the teams a bigger thing of you know if people are watching Thursday, Friday, Saturday kind of turns into you know what like I you know I know these two guys are playing together. Whereas for like most of us just tuned in, I got tuned in a little bit on Friday. I didn't watch much Saturday.

Cause I don't think the four- The four ball's tough. Yeah, four ball is worth anything. I think on the flip side, like you could kind of make it feel like the member guest, where it's like the PGA tour member guest to where like there's no FedEx cup points up for grabs. We'll juice the purse even more. And- It's like the PGA Tour member guest to where like there's no FedEx Cup points up for grabs. We'll juice the purse even more. And it's like an exhibition like that.

And play with whoever the fuck you want. So it doesn't even have to be a PGA Tour member. It's kind of like Brooks playing with his brother, right? Of like play with whoever you want, whoever you think is going to help you win. So if you need to team up with, but like, you know, each guy gets to basically bring a guest because that's what I struggle with a little bit. Yeah. So I struggle with a little bit. It's kind of, it's kind of this thing where guys are, guys are getting, you know, a little bit of a bump that they're kind of drafting off of other guys. Like if you play the game, right, with the, with the partnership, you can like, I mean, Fishburne today, right? Like you could, I mean, Fishburne was going to get a fucking two and a half year exception on the PJs for

like, that, I mean, it feels a little bit chintzy or unequitable, especially when we consider like, this is serious golf. This is, you know, OWGR like, all right, like this doesn't really factor into the OWGR obviously, but it does in a way because it would get these guys into bigger and better events. Right? I think it, to answer the question from NYJDK, it would be like the future of golf, I think should have individual golf and team golf. Right.

And I think, so like, do I think this exists in that? No. Cause I think the team golf structure has to be some kind of continuous format and structure and not just kind of random who you play them with this week. That'd be, that'd be my opinion on it. So we're going to, we're going to turn it over here. Cause we, uh, we got a great, a fun segment here, which again, I didn't think we were going to talk 20 minutes about Zurich this week because,

uh, uh, but it kind of kind of snuck up on me. We would have played in this. Every week, Sally, we said, Sunday's usually delivered like as much as we give the tour, they usually we're going to lead with Adela week. We say that every week, Sally. We say it literally every week. I know, I know. Sunday's usually delivered, like as much shit as we give the tour, they usually. We thought we were gonna lead with Adelaide. We were planning to, we were, until Rory came back in one. You guys know Roeback, best fit, best feel. I know TC knows it, cause we are rocking the same exact Q-zip.

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I might've joined in. I don't know if you guys saw that clip. You can be a fair weather Zurich fan. You're either a Zurich fan or you're out. You gotta be all in or not, but you know what the QBs, stupid comparisons to NFL players. That is truly my first love. So thank you guys for welcoming me. Take us away. Grad, first of all, glad to have you. Last thing on Rory too, I was glad to hear him say, I'm playing my way into form.

I'm not sitting on a range trying to pound balls and get ready for the PGA. He's trying to get a dub, a dub is a dub. I respect that. And he's like, I like playing golf right now. And there's something to be said for that. No more golf swing nonsense, Just play the golf guys. We love making comparisons between between stuff.

I think I like 90% of our friendship is built on doing dumpster like this. So we had to take it to the airwaves and bring it. Yeah. Bring it. One of the one of the first things we ever wrote on the website was we put together like it was called the NLU all pigskin team. And if like basically PGA Tour players, which obviously now we will open this up to live as well. But PGA Tour players as an NFL team, I think that was like one of the original chess, you know, like, hey, like, hey,

you know, Chess would be the perfect scout team guy. He'd be the gunner on the punt team. We had still a quarterback, Gary Woodland at running back. I think Jason Day was a safety. DJ was a ex receiver. A lot of good comparisons. You can go look that up. Let's bring that back though, come August or whatever. When it's training camp time, I want to read that. KVV, I've already got a draft sorted out. One of the things we struggle with is offensive linemen and interior defensive guys.

We definitely have to run a three, four. It's got some development going on. There's some guardians out there. Yeah, we've got Sepp Struck. You put Sungjae on the line. Sungjae could definitely, I think he could play guard. That's where it different today. Brendan De Jong needs to come back though.

So anyway, but today we are going to do basically current golfers or past golfers to NFL quarterbacks, current or past. No, really no rules, just right. You know, outback style in honor of Torres Saws season nine. I think the one that, that, that just kind of came off the tongue for me was Scotty Scheffler, Patrick Mahomes. You guys tell me if you agree or disagree. Well, make the case, TC. You got to make the case. I mean, so, you know, preface this.

I think there's no Tiger comp, right? I mean, I know that's my stance on this. So you, I think there's not one. Start there. Start there. Cause your tiger comp. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I look, I got a list. I'm going to throw out names guys. Uh, to me prime tiger woods. So you can pick, I think different eras for this stuff. I think you have to think about this in a specific way broadly.

And I will say to TC, one of the ways that we came up with this idea is that the commanders took all the top QBs to Topgolf. They had, you know, they wanted to see what kind of golf swings they had, so I thought it would be a natural comp for this. To me, Patrick Mahomes is prime Tiger Woods, alright? Probably already the goat,

even though he doesn't have the most hardware, deep down kind of a cornball kind of a nerd shows up to work when sunglasses, you know a problem. He had a problematic dad who sounds outlandish things all the time. Uh, you, if you want to avoid discussing more murky moral arguments, uh, don't Google his last name and DUIs, but truly like the guy who can do anything and everything out there. All right. So that to me, T dubs, Patrick Mahomes, end of argument. Okay. Okay. So that's a strong case. I like that. I don't like that for Cheyenne Woods with the Jackson Mahomes comp there.

I had Scotty as Mahomes as far as current guys, just because Mahomes throws that awkward arm angle. He's got some crazy footwork going on. He's got, he seems like he could have goat tendencies. I'm not sure he's there yet. He's the current best in the league by a pretty wide margin right now. Like all this could get out of hand really quickly. I has my homes in Scotty too, because of the unorthodox style

and kind of the ability to get super hot and stay that way for like, whoa, now we're trending into historic territory, but not really knowing where this is going to go with other goats already named in the past. Yeah. Okay. Would you like to know where I put Scotty? Sure.

I would love to. If someone is named, should you get to have to throw out your comp for that? Sure. I like that. We're not going to be able to follow any rules on this. Let's just fire away. Go ahead. Who you got for Scotty? All right. I had Joe Montana as Scotty Schaeffler, kind of a ho hum dude who didn't maybe pass the eye test as a young man, but went on a generational tear that left everyone dumbstruck

while he shrugged his shoulders, hugged his wife, exactly the kind of person who in the heat of the championship would look over in the crowd and be like, Hey, that's John Candy. To me, that is like Scotty Schaeffer to a T just to sort of a good all American boy. I disagree vehemently. I think that sells Scotty short. I think Scotty's just Joe Montana was the goat before. No, Joe didn't put up fucking numbies though. And like, like he won some championships, but like Joe Montana feels more like a Koepka or a, you know, like somebody else where's no, no, we'll get there. Shuffler just feels like his statistical dominance and the, the, his skill and everything that he's

setting. It feels like, I don't know. Joe Montana is like, back then no one was throwing, but you have to look, you can, you get to make the argument where you have to slide Scotty in a different era, but no one was clean, complete and 65% of their passes back in the day. Like that. That was what many Joe Montana ridiculously good KTVS introducing a fourth dimension to this argument. I wasn't going too, too deep into the, uh, into the history books. I'm going to throw them back at you. Let me, let me reset things here. Okay. I'm going to go Ludwig CJ Stroud. I think we're all going to have this one. Was not number one TC Takumi, Kenya, you know, shout out. It was not number one.

No, not taking number one. Naka Jima as well. Excuse me. Uh, but the evidence, now you look back, the evidence of the town is so obvious. You're like, Oh my God, what was every, what, how was, how did we not see this coming? So I think that was an obvious one, just to kind of a lab, anyone disagree kind of a Texan. Well, it's, it's like incredible start to the career, incredible talent. Like, you know,

hasn't won anything. He hasn't won anything, but like might be the second best in the league already. And we don't really fully know it until we see another year. But like that is, he was on the block for both early. He was a big, big Stroud guy. I was, despite my aversion to Ohio state quarterbacks. I was like, you know what? I'm going to set that aside. Stroud's a fucking. All right. I'm going to take Rory here guys. And I don't think you guys are going to like it or agree, but I don't care. I think he's Peyton Manning. Just a, a Numbie, just numbies on numbies on numbies on numbies. And has, so I'm equating like two Super Bowls.

A Super Bowl is worth like two majors-ish in this, right? So for Peyton's career, I would not say two Super Bowls was enough. Like he just was not the dominant person in the era in terms of winning Super Bowls. And just incredibly talented, but just left wanting just a little bit more, but it was so consistent every single year, always produced.

I got to push back. I like the argument, but I don't think the style of play matches up. I have Rory as Aaron Rodgers. It was an easy, undeniable and effortless talent that others covet like the arm strength, the, the, the fluidity of the swing and the way they play the game seems to come easy to them. Uh, but they, they, you know, lately they can't seem to stop talking. Um, so that's, that's why I have Phil for Aaron Rogers. So, you know, maybe, maybe I got Phil for somebody else. Yeah. No, it might be detrimental to us, but like maybe we don't, we do less podcasts. Maybe we get out from the microphone and we, and you know, we try to finish the career

strong. I think if Rory has a late career, like if he wins two more majors, I get tripped up a little bit with majors in Super Bowls, right? Cause I feel there's not that many quarterbacks who've won Super Bowls, which is crazy to think of too. Well, it's, Well, one Super Bowl a year. They give out four majors a year. But I think with Rory, yeah, Neil, I said the same thing like talks too much. Hasn't won big stuff in a while. Is he more trouble than he's worth?

I also said like Rory could be like Kurt Warner, right? Like Kurt Warner, you know, I don't know if he was bagging groceries though. You know, like he was maybe back in Hollywood, right? I don't know. Nobody else have Peyton Manning as a comp. I did. Yes. I had him as speed. You go first and then I'll tell you my Peyton Manning. I had speech, a standout in college, kind of like everybody kind of anointed him came into the league, played really well, early success. It always looks a little weird. To be honest, Peyton had that funky, he's always like throwing down, like his, his release was always wobbly, but he got it done. He very cerebral player, you

know, very thoughtful and over-prepared, overthinking things. And then kind of some late career injuries like we're a little worried about speed than his wrist. I mean, Peyton like doesn't have a neck anymore. So I, you know, I don't know. That's that's what broke down for me though. Peyton was always in charge and speed is never in charge. Never control situation. Yeah, he's never. Okay, I think I got the one here. Peyton Manning is Phil Mickelson, gifted comedian with

a penchant for overthinking every situation. Late career accomplishments overshadowed the fact that an early part of his career, he repeatedly gagged under pressure, almost certainly has paid to make scandals go away. Right. All right. So I had Phil as Brett farm, right? I had the same thing. I said absolute gunslinger, horn dog, did it his own way, disgraced himself toward the end, probably taking advantage of poor people. I thought that was too easy. Oh my God. It was a fucking layup. I hate my. Yeah. God, that's so much better than my far. Who was your father? All

right. So I was throwing out that I don't. I hate it already. I mean, like our style of play, it's style of play. It's not, it's not off on field or off field at all. It's just like incredible talent, incredible big moments when he's got it going. It's like, there's maybe nobody more exciting, but also just does some of the dumbest possible shit. Always trying to throw it into traffic, uh, throwing out, you know, throw it back across the field where you're rolling out the wrong way. That's, that was what reminded me of far. See, I've got Spieth as Purdy, unconventional, doesn't necessarily look good. We're not sure if he's good, but like

somehow punches above his weight and gets it done and like might be a lead as fuck. All right, I have succeeded early to land. Yes, has never had a normal day when he steps on the grass. Instead of making a normal throw or a normal par, will do shit like throw the ball and catch it to himself or purposely hit it off the roof of the clubhouse. Had tremendous success in his second professional season,

then spent some time in the wilderness. Some people swear he's elite, other people can't stomach the weekly throw ride. That's not a bad argument. That's not a bad argument. That's not bad. He's fine. Like you, what you're going to tune in if Lamar or Speed Drummer. I kind of, my Lamar. Ties too, right? With the Under Armour with Spieth and Wendlin with the Ravens.

Baltimore Connect. My Lamar was, was Sahith. That was mine too. Great highlights, exceeds expect, like exceeding expectations. You know, everybody thought Lamar needed to switch positions a little reckless and kind of wondering when we're going to take the next next leap and maybe polish things up and, and when, when something. Yeah.

That would be my Josh Allen as I had this saw have a true Yolo guy. You have to kind of ride the lightning. If you're a fan, sometimes it's going to do fun bunker shit. Sometimes going to like purposely hit shanks and mega eject. Really good. My my Josh Allen is Xander. Just very, very talented. I've got the office a ton of production, a ton of production gets tantalizingly close. And in the biggest

moments in the playoffs just does dumb shit and does not does not win the big ones. Even Sanders feels always in control. Whereas Josh, I always feels always like on the edge of his seat. On the edge. I had I had Ram as Josh Allen, absolute units, overpowering talent looks unstoppable when it's going well. But sometimes it just looks really, really off and they look like they're just not like, they're just mentally not in it.

Guys, I had Ram, I had Ram as Rathlasberger. Like kind of guardy. Just kind of like, you're already overweight, but like, just like under the pump gets it done. Like, you know, he's a gamer. He's scrappy. He punches above his weight, even though he's one of the best, like most talented dudes in the league. And when you're behind, you're just not you're not catching it. See, that's what I thought. I thought Brooks and Roethlisberger was a layup. Got like, okay, I think I had Brooks. Brooks is TB 12. Same. Oh, no way. Oh, goodness gracious. Whoa. Yeah, I'm out on that. Brooks is Brooks is John Elway. Okay. I think Neil, I don't think you need to expand the board different areas. Everyone agrees that he's an all time great.

My least favorite athlete. Sorry to interrupt, but I just want to future generations are going to look at his regular season accomplishments and argue that he was mediocre. It was sort of a you had to be there situation. John Elway Brooks always probably both always had a zen in his lower lip, physically gifted freak who loves to tell you that he could have been a professional baseball player in another life. Okay, that's good.

That's very good. I think I had this. Three Super Bowl losses for Elway. That's tough comp for Brooks. Brooks doesn't come up short. Brooks after he, what, came up short in the US Open, came up short in the open championship start here. Brooks has had his share of scars.

Five times, I mean, he has a losing record in Super Bowls for Elway. Like the major champ of the generation, I don't know, can have be a comp to a losing record in the Super Bowl. I mean, Elway won fucking two of them though, man. Two, he did. Back to back. That's a lot of Super Bowls.

Like two Super Bowls is like four or five majors. Eli won two super bowls too. Well, we'll get to Eli. Yeah. Well, we can go there now. Yeah. I got, I got Eli, I got JT and Eli. Boom. Tc me too. Yeah. I was like, you know what? I'm not sure why I'm getting, I'm getting vanilla Vic, Daniel Jones vibes from a JT, but that's just keeps springing in mind. But I think that's leading me to Eli. JT has like perpetual resting bitch face, just like Eli did, but also like Eli's got two titles. JT's got two majors, right? I think Eli is probably a hell of a lot cooler

off the course and just generally speaking than JT though. So I have Eli as Morikawa. Okay. He has like two sneaky championships, but kind of like a little bit of a more off the course and just generally speaking than JT though. So I had Eli as more a kawa. Okay. He has like two sneaky championships, but kind of like asterisky a little bit like flukey David Tyree helmet catch helmet catch COVID PGA championship.

Regular season like you just not Eli just not rolling off the tongue. Like gosh, you're kind of overachieving on the biggest stage just a little bit. Like we don't see week to week more cowl, like putting up, you know, putting up numbies and being the good week to week player. That was the comp for me. All right, I got one I feel strongly about. I think Tom Brady is Jack Nicklaus.

So good for so long, it's honestly a little bit annoying. Understood that you didn't have to do flashy YOLO shit to win. Other people would fold under pressure while you chipped away at their souls. Friends with former President Trump has both of them have almost certainly lost a ton of money in various get rich quick schemes. Crypto also have the most hardware. You know, you can say

whatever you want about dudes being more talented, you know, should be the goat, whatever, but they are the ones who have the rings to back it up. So that that's that's, it's yeah. With Brady, it could be something where like, people didn't know whether he could succeed without Belichick. We don't know whether Jack can succeed without Barbara.

Yeah. That's true. All right, I want to throw one at you. I got Adam Scott is Matt Ryan. Ooh. Prototype of the professionongevity, probably certain to be successful after the game. I feel like both of them seem like pretty well rounded individuals. Hard not to think

that they didn't fulfill their potential. And then of course, like 28 three is kind of like the British open for bogey finish just just kind of some stuff where you're like, damn, dude, like a little bit of wasted talent there and looked just looked like a pro golfer and a quarterback. Those two guys are like the prototypes. My deal was my backup for Xander, Matt Ryan. Like that was a, another Xander come from that. That's a fair one. I think he's got so much more, I don't know, style.

Xander is Justin Herbert. Like you just don't know if he's got that dog in him. Like she looks at their analytics now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no've got to look at the strokes. Dane, he's unbelievable, but he hasn't won shit. It's won six times. We've been over this. Nothing big. Nothing big. Yeah. He's won the Northern Trust, a playoff event. Wow. That's like hanging the banner for the 50 best players in the world. We're at that tournament. What are you guys talking about? Honestly, we have Ruiz on the podcast. Here he is.

KVV, the only thing that would that would keep me from saying Xander with Justin Herbert is Justin Herbert hasn't gotten as far as Xander has. Thank you. In big moments as well. So I feel like the phenol thing might be a little bit offensive towards Justin Herbert, but I don't have a problem with that at all. I had Luke Donald as Matt Ryan, borderline elite for a period of time, you know, kind of plays within himself, doesn't have like a power game at all, got it done more with precision, classy, understated. He's gonna, you know, he's gonna be a gentleman of the game for a long time. I've got your Herbert. It's right in front of us. It's Cameron Young.

I see that. Yeah. I mean, don't say he won six times. Cameron Young's one zero. Like, you know, he profiles out really well, drives it great. We're talking about majors with these other guys like, oh, he hasn't won enough majors. Cameron Young isn't fucking one. Neither is Herbert. I think Solly's side of the Northern Trust in this. It's a playoff event.

He won a playoff event. I think my comp stanch is cause it got solid so fired up. I think I'm on the right track. All right, I want to throw, I got one I want to throw at you. The blow pig, Jalen Hurts. I had the same thing, Neil. Success didn't come immediately at any level. Kind of been, you know, struggled like,

can't figure it out mentally a little bit. You can't argue with the current results, but it also doesn't look great. The mega cut equals the tush push. You know, kind of the, Oh yeah. Right. Just kind of doing it in a way that you're like, Oh yeah, that's kind of,

mashing down on the grass behind the ball. Here it feels like taking advantage of the current rules. Yes. You know, like maybe you wish that things were different, but they are what they are. So you gotta respect that. And production is production and he's balling out. Real teammates seem to like him a lot.

You guys tell me when to stop here real quick. The field of the 2021 Northern Trust, John Rahm, Dustin Johnson, Kalnmora Kawa, Xander Shofley, Justin Thomas, Bryson Shambu, Brooks Kepke, Patrick Canley, Harris Niggas, A-Ram Answer, Jordan Speed, Terrell Haddon, Victor Holland, Roy McIlroy, Dan Ruis Sermon. Is he going down the leaderboard? His production on third down is unbelievable. Oh my God. All right, all right. I got another one. T.C. you like this one. Dak is Patrick

Cantlay. Regular season performer with a weird hairline who makes him look 10 years older than he really is. Postseason record is abysmal, might be a compiler. You know what? I had Cantlay as Derek Carr where, but I liked the Dak comparison as well. He just keeps hoovering up money and we just can't figure out. Quarterback in the regular season. I think that's absolutely top 10 player in the regular season. So, so Dak brings me to Fleetwood because I said Fleetwood who's Fleetwood. Is he Dak?

Is he Kirk Cousins? He's objective, very objectively good, but not sure if he can win the big one with him. Not talking personally, I'm talking about you guys. Puts up Numbies, could also be Romo as well. Like Fleetwood could be Romo. Ooh, I'm getting closer TC, but I got a different name for you. I got a really big compliment for him.

I got Philip Rivers. No, I got Furek as Rivers. Philip Rivers is Fee now, but the kids, come on guys. Like that is the one right there. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I could get down with that for Fee now. I got Furek just cause like longevity, like won a shitload of games,

won a shitload of tournaments. Like I know Furek won, can I give you one? Breeze for Furik? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, all right. That makes sense, won a Super Bowl, won a major, ton of success. Ton of yards, always really good,

but always should've gotten more maybe. Auditype, not necessarily. I had Breeze for Zach Johnson. Just like, you know what, like punched above his weight, kind of a weenie, like gets on camera and everybody fucking hates him. Like, okay. Yeah. Fleetwood Romo I'm kind of coming around on. I had Jim Kelly,

which I think is a strong compliment there, but oh, and four in super bowls. Got to a lot of our notes. Got to a lot. Really close. All right. I think I got a good one for Fleetwood's only 33 years old. Okay. It's like JC. All career in front of me. I think I got a good one for Kirk cousins. Kirk cousins is an amalgamation of Corey Connors, Nick Taylor, and Adam Hadwin. Uh, all nice guys, inoffensive in every way. I hope you get paid a ton.

I'm not sure you're ever going to be a superstar, but I admire your grind, your politeness, your Canadian-esque work ethic. You just feel very Canadian to me. You like that KVV. Yeah, you'd like, uh, like that. I like, I do like that. I had him as Horschel Kirk cousins is Horschel. Um, maybe talks a little bit more like runs his, his mouth out, runs his brain. Sometimes a little bit. Um,

you gotta respect his game. Yeah. Kind of worked, has worked his way to, into like respect and, and had to do it over a long period of time. I'm upset. This name hasn't come up yet. Who is the Bryson comp? I struggle with that. I just, I had, uh, what did I have for Bryson? I have Justin Fields, high level, unique talent.

Can't seem to stay healthy and find the right fit. I think I had Russell Wilson. Mr. Worldwide. Just says the dumbest shit. Like it behaves like a total dweeb has won a Superbowl has won a major like, but just a total goober. Like this is, this was one of the easier ones. I've got Mr. Unlimited, Gary Player, undersized, never fucking shuts up. Loves flying. Complete, complete just corn ball, goober, ultra successful in business, Mr. Unlimited.

That's Gary Player. I still don't understand the Russell Wilson, the viral, whatever, TikTok or whatever it was that like all the things that he loves. And it was like the first three things are like family, football, faith. And then the fourth one is flying. Like the flying gets up there with family football and faith. Like how much he's not a pilot. All right. I've got a historical one. Okay.

Uh, I'm going to go. Arnold Palmer is Joe Namath, the original Mr. steal your girl kind of responsible for building the whole league. When you think about it, refuse to lay up or check down, could smoke a cigarette, flirt with a reporter, win a trophy, cut a commercial, have a drink all in a day's work. Do you like that? Or do you like Johnny United's? Cause that felt, I don't, I think that Joe was like a little bit more

cool. Whereas Arnie was cool. I think Joe Johnny Unitas was not particularly like cool. He was just like emblematic of like of hard working. You could say like Johnny nice more of a Ben Hogan type just didn't really like didn't run his mouth just put the work in the grind. Whereas Joe Namath was like, hey, I'm gonna like put on a fur coat. I'm gonna flirt with your girl's hair and I'm going to be, I'm going to be the whole reason that this league exists. I just feel like Arnie was a lot better than Joe Namath. That's right. Yeah.

Well, I mean, look again, that's a comp of like, there's only so many Superbowls that were getting out back then. Like, you know, Arnie probably should have won more though. Arnie only won six majors, right? Seven majors. So the idea that like Joe, maybe if Namath had won a second Superbowl, but just kind of what they represented for the league. I didn't think this one through very much, but for I had Patrick Reed as Joe Namath just for the we'll win, I guarantee it. And in the top five call and winning, winning one major, that was very dumb. But we're getting near the end here. You got to pick, you got to pick your, uh, pick your remaining

best ones. All right. I think, uh, I'll guide us kind of the end here. Cause I think there's still some strong cops to be had cam Smith. I have cam Smith and Joe burrow. I had that as well. TC. I think they're very, I think can is greater than some of his parts. I think he's, I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think Joe's a little bit, probably a little bit more dedicated to his craft.

I think when Cam wants to be dedicated to his craft, he like, he wins on the biggest stages. He's, he's maybe not the most physically talented currently, but he's punching above his weight. And I don't know, I think there's there's something there that like, that's one of the reasons that this whole that this entire debate was set off because Sally compared Joe burrow to Justin Herbert, or Zan, you guys, you do Zander, like her,

Zander to Herbert, or two up to a burrow, you said, and it was like, no, like that, that's offensive. That's, that's not good at all. It was, that was on this one. It's closer than, than Herbert. Though I will, I'll stand with that. Okay. Yeah. Uh, all right. Last couple that I had, uh, Dan Marino is Greg Norman. Defined more by what he didn't do than what he did. All time, talented dude, uh, who for some reason couldn't put it together.

Kind of sometimes comes across as a bitter weirdo, but truly like a one all time skill. Okay. Let's see here. Adam Scott ahead of him is Jimmy G very pretty. He's won a lot be you kind of wonder, all right, like is there, is there enough substance there? I've got web is Andy Dalton, the red rifle that works. Yeah. I've got Bubba as cam Newton. Uh, I kind of love that. I had Bubba's Jamis, but I don't think that I think Cam Newton's better. Um, I only have, all right, any file I had, uh, Brian Harmon, either Tua or Kyler Murray, just both the lefty and the height joke there. Padraig Harrington for Kurt Warner of just like a short stent heater. Could have had Duvall in there too for Kurt Warner of just like very, very proficient gobbling them up in a very short period

of time. I think Harrington's great because it's kind of late career, like older when, when the success comes. Nick Dunlap, Bryce Young, you know, just going through it right now. Don't know about this. Don't know about this. And cam champ was Justin Fields for me. I've got one last one. It's, I think it's the easiest team Rose is Flacco. That's great. Just it's the easiest team Rose is Flacco. That's great. Just that's really good. I've got Matt Wolf is Deshaun Watson. Shout out to KVV for this one. A possible malcontent, possibly an idiot.

But I also, Todd Marinovich could also be an option as well. I've got Max as Jared Goff, Southern California guy. Everybody, or I think Goff's from Northern California, but everybody kind of wrote him off early in his career and he's back and he looks the part, he has the tools. Future looks promising and people seem to love him. I had him, I had Burrow for Max. I didn't fully think it

through, but uh, just sweat, like the relationship he has with fans and the swag is not quite the same, but he's popular, both popular players. Uh, the last few that I had were, uh, I had Alejandro Toasty is, is Baker Mayfield short temper, short guy, power bouncing around all the time. You're down the leaderboard here. The one other, the all time I had Tom Watson is Aaron Rogers, like hall of fame start to his career, constantly praise for his smarts turned out. Maybe he wasn't that smart. Maybe he got poisoned by the internet a little bit.

Hey Siri. Is Robert F Kennedy a legitimate candidate? Hovland. I had Hovland as Trevor Lawrence, kind of in the wilderness at the moment. Ultra talented, works hard. Sky's the limit, but not sure if we, if he's got it. Your Watson cracks me up. All right. I think we got to move towards you guys get down with that or not. Yeah, that's great.

We got to move on. I got two. I got three more. I got three more. Charles Howell, the third as Charlie Whitehurst, because he's just made tens of million dollars just hanging around. Tom Kim is RG three. Just a complete fraud came on the scene.

Everybody loved him, but now he turns into a complete fraud. That's a good one. I might've faked it. And yeah, exactly. And Jason Co crack, Jeff George, I love that. All right, Kevin, we're going to say a farewell to you. Thank you for joining us on this Sunday evening. So long, Siri, Siri, play me off stage. Thank you. Thank you for joining us on this Sunday evening. So long, Siri.

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wager only $10 first deposit required bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire seven days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fandual.com. All righty, off to Adelaide. Not only for Taurus Sauce Episode 2, which you can find on our YouTube channel, but this was also Live Golf Adelaide. Brendan Steel won the individual portion and the Ripper GC won this one in a playoff. Guys, we are going to start portion. And the ripper GC, uh, won this one in a playoff guys, we are going to start positive. What were, what did you like? Uh, or were there things to like about live Adelaide for you? Neil, I'm going to throw it to you first. I like mean this sincerely. I'm very happy for the nation of Australia. The event looked like a ton of fun to be there in person. And it's cool to see Australian, the Australian golf

community fired up about it and having a good time. And I'm legitimately happy for Cam and the Rippers. I think if you're Cam Smith, this is kind of like a massive success. You went out way out on a limb. You got paid for it, obviously. He and Leish and they wanted to bring golf, high level golf to Australia. And I think if you ask them, they've succeeded in doing that obviously, he and leash and they wanted to bring golf, high level golf to Australia. And I think if you ask them, they've succeeded in doing that and then they win their home country event. So I would say those would be the positives.

T.C. Let's see. First of all, it was a complete coincidence that our Adelaide episode came out this week or last week. It was a that was not intended, but kind of a happy accident. I think the Grange, they need a better setup. They need, it's not like, all right, if you want this to be your live major, you need a more demanding golf course. It felt like a corn fairy tour event as far as the setup and as far as the, the agronomy and all that stuff. Obviously it's a positive section here, TC. No, it is. Well, I'm always the one that's positive about live. So I'm just going to, you

know, I'm going to, I'm going to take it head on here. Right. I hate seeing Brendan Steele win. That sucks. Stinger, like I can't help but like just completely respect those guys. Like Oost Hazen, Schwarzl, Dean Bermester, like they, they're, they placed, they hoover up so much money. It's crazy. Uh, your guy, Andy Ogletree won like $900,000 this week.

Nuts. Let me see here. All right. Looking at it- He's emptying the notebook. Evolution year one versus year two. I thought that was interesting to follow like 47 under one last year for the teams.

They've made it a little bit more difficult, but it was crazy to see the aces. Aces won last year. They finished dead fucking last this year. What was the, what was the final, so 47 under for the teams. It was last year was 47 under this year was sorry, 53 under this year. Well, but there's, they're counting more scores this year in the final round, right? So yeah, all four scores count. Let's see. I do want to shout out the Cliques came in dead last year behind the Majestics and the Ironheads. The Ironheads had a great, great first two days.

They fell off the pace drastically on Sunday. Whereas the Cliques, 20 under on Sunday, they played awesome. They finished seventh. Majestics finished 13th, 19 shots behind the 12th place team. They were dead last by 19 shots. And I just wanna add, like, they've had more resources to work with. You got Stenson, Stenson, Poulter, Westwood. Those guys are almost getting beat by Anthony Kim,

who went on like a 15 year Coke bender, allegedly. And it's like, guys, like have some fucking pride. Like, and that's not a slight on Anthony Kim. That's like, hey man, like Anthony Kim's not playing poorly. Like these guys are playing awful. If Anthony Kim's coming back and almost beating these guys, he had a poor Sunday. But yeah, I don't know. I think where I net out a little bit on Adelaide is I think Australia

is starved for great sports. I think they're starved for great golf. I think this is more of a reflection on Australia and Adelaide in particular. I think it's a great city. I think people just like they want world-class sporting events there particular. I think it's a great city. I think people just like they want world-class sporting events there. And I think there's some sort of controversy around how much the local government or the state government of South Australia paid to host live. But I would say like, you know what, your citizens seem to enjoy it. They've seemed to really like it, but it speaks more to the strength of golf in Australia. And what we've been saying for a long time of like, hey, there's no reason for the

PGA Tour, other than just sponsorship dollars and, you know, like guys not wanting to travel down there. There's no reason for the PGA Tour to give Australia the stiff arm and the stink eye and shit on them as much as they do. Because I think like they do pretty big reasons. Like that is the reason though you can't. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. I'm like, all right, like, you know what, if PIF wants to be a part of the worldwide golf thing, all right, cool. Then like, net everybody up to where we don't need a great sponsor. I don't need a massive sponsor to take it to Australia. Like I think that's if PIF wants to be involved in things,

get the best players down to Australia for the Australian Open or the Australian PGA and all that. Like that's a win. I feel strongly that Australia should be one of the, you know, venues for world-class golf throughout the professional golf slate. I think we all agree on that. I think it is, you know, it's more complicated when there isn't a Saudi prince paying for it, right? That's been the hook of the whole thing. I think like, to be- But Solly, I think we're past that point now

where like, there's gonna be a Saudi prince paying for it one way or another. Totally, it should be in the future ecosystem, 100%. The reason why it hasn't been is relatively obvious, right? And I know it's like, it's not either or, right? It's not, a lot of people in Australia love Live Golf simply because they have this one three day event that's there and like, that's your right

and your prerogative, right? We may have a different perspective. I have a different perspective on it as an American golf fan. Like, do I think that it was worth upsetting the Apple cart on the whole system just for this one event down there very far away from my home? I don't but if you have a different perspective, that's very much

fine. I think it is also a it's not one of these things where we've never said like everything that live touches is a bad thing, right? If you like a really micro, like small, narrowed in thing. this event serves a golf hungry audience like in this looks like a whole hell of a lot of fun. Like if I was 25 years old, and had no idea what the hell was going on the golf world and that fell on my doorstep, I would absolutely be out there slamming beers and having fun like that is it's an outdoor festival or a concert like as a fan of competitive golf. Do I think that's like that the way

that I would love professional golf to go? No, I don't. But like, that's not to say that a ton of people don't deserve that and really enjoy that event is one thing. And I think Lagrange looks pretty cool in terms of like, I mean, the Australian style of golf of bunkers cut into the greens, really cool slopes on the greens, really cool pins. I watched the I didn't want not watch a lot, but watch the highlights and like, watching those shots come into 18 getting

over that ridge and stopping back there. That was like some really good golf like for the golf sicko stuff in there. The atmosphere legitimately fantastic. It's different. It like they're straight up like yelling and guys backswings for Stinger GC in the playoff like because they're playing against the hometown Aussies. I've never seen that before with water bottles. But like no, like I think it was Bermester was like chipping into 18 and like

somebody yelled when he took the club back, like it's loud as possible. And when it went in the bunker, they cheered. It's like, oh, that's very different. Again, like that's not who we are as Ripper GC, though. That's not what we're about. Like that was not I don't know if that was best fans of golf necessarily on display there, but

it's like a totally different like thing. And again, do I think this is worth everything that's going on? Of course not. Like, absolutely not. But that's like a totally different like thing. And again, do I think this is worth everything that's gone? Of course not. Like, absolutely not. But that's not to say like this, this event is at least putting something on the table. Many of the live events are not they're not adding something to the golf ecosystem. Like this event could almost stand on its own in terms of like, you don't need to have the other 13 events

to like, how do I say how to say this makes sense? Like, no, I let me I know what you're trying to say. I am getting a you don't need to have the other 13 events to like, how do I say, how does it make sense? I know what you're trying to say. I'm getting a little tired of Liv being like taking the game global, like globe, they're like mashing the whole world together. Like it's always going to be like it is in Australia. And it's like, no, no, no, that's like, that's the unique successful market. But like, if you're going to go to Hong Kong, it's not going to look like that. Can I play something for you, Neil, because this was like, again, they try to sell you on so many different things that they are, and like if it was this,

this would be a totally different conversation. But literally, like Phil was on Pat McAfee in January and explained this, and this was like alarm bells to me of like, holy shit, you guys are claiming to be this fan friendly thing, and then you go and say something like this about what your model is, like I'll play the audio of this is from Pat McAfee on January 10th, Phil's interview.

When we have the ability to control the product, meaning Liv knows what they are selling and you know what you're buying as a sponsor, we are now integrating golf on a global scale and we're going to different countries and utilizing tourism budgets to get us there. So the reason we're going to Hong Kong is they are paying an exorbitant amount of money

to bring professional golf at the highest level there. And they're using the tourism budget to do that. We were not supposed to go back to Singapore this year. And then the tourism board at Singapore gets involved. And I'm talking tens of millions, not just a million or two. Literally, he says it the quiet part out loud. Like, what is this about the fans? This is about what tourism boards are willing to pay us to come there.

So you go from this super fan from the event to next week at Sentosa, there's gonna be no one out there again, just like there was last time. They weren't going to do it until they came up with all the money. So again, if this was like representative of what Live Golf is and was going to be, it's would be a different con. The whole thing would be a different conversation, but this is an outlier on their schedule. I just get angry when I talk about this because I look at like the Australian PGA, the Australian open, I'm like, you could fucking turn those events into a scene like this and into like, all

right, like we're, we're sitting here yelling about how, how star, how golf starved Australia is. And those events are some of the most prestigious in all of golf and the history of golf. And why can't we make those events feel big like this and have, you know, and like that's where it's like, all right, listen, if we're not going to have the biggest money sponsors or whatever, if we have to top it up with FedEx money or with, you know, Comcast business top 10 money or with DP world money or whatever, do that. Because it's the health of the game worldwide and you create more of a global product and more of a global tour.

I don't think what Phil's saying is necessarily wrong of like, same thing the PGL guys were saying of, hey, a lot of these companies want to sponsor stuff out of their global marketing budget. They don't want to sponsor stuff out of their North American marketing budget or their European. Like everything's tied in. That's why they spend money on soccer or Formula One, for instance, and golf's much more regionalized. And so I think there's this sense though of, you know, it just feels like, and really like the PGA Tour does the same thing with tourism dollars, like the Bermuda Championship or the Punta Cona or the Myrtle Beach Classic. And it's on a

smaller scale. And I'm not saying you shouldn't be like getting money from tourism boards. It's just like you can't act like live is this thing, which is Adelaide, which is an incredible in-person fan experience, incredible atmosphere, something that is unique in golf, like the PJ door, I mean, as waste management, which is totally different, but like that was a unique, interesting environment. And then you go backwards the very next week is where I'm out of like, dude, you're kind of just building the plane while flying it, which is, yeah, we don't have to do the whole thing of like, it feels like Coachella more than it feels like a golf tournament too.

Like Lucas Herbert's caddy got hit in the head with a fucking water bottle this week too. And it's like, all right, like what are we doing there? So I think it's tough to strike that balance. And I think it doesn't feel like they're like, all right, Bryson's backstopping like a motherfucker. Cap Perez is hitting it. Yeah. It's not serious until the end. And then the team, and the individual stuff doesn't seem to mean anything whatsoever other

than these guys playing for dollars. And the team stuff most weeks doesn't seem to mean anything except for this week when you have like a hometown team winning and like props to the Australian guys, like Matt Jones, Leishman, Cam Smith, Lucas Herbert, they were minus 14, minus 13, minus 12, minus 13. When all four scores count, especially on Sunday, like that's a big deal. They played really, really well. And I think there's something to be said for that. Like the team stuff at its best works. Same thing

we were saying earlier with like the Zurich. Well, I would, let me, let me, let me, I agree with you. I just think both in both cases, it's still missing a lot. There's something there with the team stuff, but it's missing a lot. I started off with like the good and I sincerely mean like I'm happy for the Australian team and I'm, you know, look like a really fun in person event. It remains a very schizophrenic thing for me to watch on TV that I like lose interest in very quickly. I find the TV product to be very poor. And I'm just, I guess I'm really frustrated and it's hard for me not to roll my eyes when I, they start

talking about how this is, you know, we should turn this into a major and like just the, the pomp and circum, just the faux juice that they're trying to, you know, just like baptize me in. I'm like, I just makes me want to unsubscribe. And I wish they would do themselves a favor and just go about their business a little bit instead of telling me how much they're changing the world. Show me, don't tell me. Yeah, a little bit, man. Like if we want to, if you want me to take it serious, like allow me to like, take it serious without telling me how I should take it so serious. It's just very

frustrating as a viewer for me. And that's what maybe you see Norman's quotes afterwards. He said, this is from Golf Digest Australia, that he feels sorry for those who doubted Liv and says the people have spoken in regards to Liv being a success in Adelaide. Vindication is not the right word. It's the ignorance of others who simply don't,

didn't understand what we were trying to do. I actually feel sorry for them because they now see the true value of Liv Golf and wanna be a part of it. Again. I would love to like go back and I think like one of the positive things I would love to like go back and I think like one of the positive things I said about live from the very start was like, oh, I'm glad like this means more professional golf in Australia. I'm kind of disappointed. They're not having more.

Yeah, do like four. It's like, why don't you have one in Adelaide and one in Brisbane, right? Or one over in Perth or something like that. Like there's at least two, especially if, you know, like, like Phil's, Phil's kind of full of shit when he talks about the tourism budget stuff. It's like, no, like the tourism budgets aren't floating the $25 million purse week to week, you know, and, and all these, like, it's not a, it's not a serious business here. That's where, that's where I struggle a little bit. So like, but that's that's my that's my issue with it a little bit is like if that's if that's the the deal then then shoot your shot. Or you'd say like take better venues, take what you learned in the

first two years markets and say like, oh, like, and then and then make some changes to it in year two and like, oh, Australia was really popular. and then make some changes to it in year two and like, oh, Australia was really popular. Why don't we do four events there instead of going to Sentosa or yeah, or like, maybe they're trying to prove some type of last year or Las Vegas this year and there's nobody there. It's like, all right, you know what, like figure out, all right, cool. In the U S the Pacific Northwest doesn't have any pro golf events. But can I pause? This is a good, I know we've just said this too many times. We don't even want to say it anymore. But again, go back to the Genesis and the like, it's not it's a sports washing exercise.

Right. There's recently have so many US events in the places they do because they want to do business in the US. It's not because they want to create the best fan experience at all these places. Right. They want to they want to provide, you know, they want to live golf, I still do not believe is the end game, right? I think they wanted to create the best worldwide golf product, global golf product, they would not have as many events in the US as they do, right? That's where like, they lose me on like, yeah, then this standalone event works. Like I have no no beefs with what that what just happened

this past week. Still how it fits into the whole 14 event schedule, like you're gonna, you're gonna lose me pretty quickly after this one. No beefs with what just happened this past week. Still how it fits into the whole 14 event schedule. Like you're gonna lose me pretty quickly after this one. It's funny that like they're bitching about world golf ranking points. It's like, all right, like the Zurich doesn't get OWGR points. You know?

I don't know. I think there's something there with team golf, but yeah, this doesn't seem to be it or the best moments from live have been team golf and yet seemingly all of the money is going to the individual stuff and the team golf stuff only comes out once or twice a year. Yeah. When there is some type of like nationalistic thing. I mean, like if I was trying to consult for their business, I'd say like, is there a way

for you to lean into like the nationalism of like the South American guys? Like, that's when they seem to have the most juice is when they're going to these guys' home countries that are, that are kind of have organized along some type of common either nationalities. The fact that there's not like, how have they not gone into Mexico City and had a real triple attack or, or, or Buenos Aires or Santiago. The fact that they're not, those are the places that I thought, or South Korea, those are

the places I thought that they were going to, you know what? This is where the game is going to grow. These are the emerging markets and we're going to go nuts here. And they haven't even tried to do that. It's crazy. Can I? Honestly, the answer that those probably like where where the Saudis like want to park their money and where they

want to invest like is it South America? I don't know. I don't know enough about global politics and and and the you know, investing to like determine that answer. But I'm again, the decisions are going to be driven more by that than they are like serving a golf market. Yeah, which which it'd be lying if I said that didn't worry me even, you know, like, okay, I'm not going to save the world. Like I get, let me say I get over the sports washing thing. It still concerns me that if pro golf is run on a, by a, you know, a sovereign wealth

fund that has ulterior motives other than identifying like, you know, doesn't exist to like have like to set up a, the best golfer in the world. You know what I'm saying? Like to set up an event that's like geared towards the best golf tour is not perfect there either. Like five events in Texas and really underserving a lot of market. You know, I guess I go back to some of the governing bodies like the USGA and I know we have our issues with them. But these organizations that kind of exist like solely for like, you know, competition golf, which

competition, that's the other thing too is like golf Australia, like, they've done a really poor job in Australia. They're part of the problem, right? Like they've, they're part of the reason that golf in Australia is underserved from a professional standpoint, too. It seems like they are hiring more serious people, like they've hired the revenue person from the Philadelphia 76ers, and they've hired, you know, people that have worked at IMG pretty recently.

Stuff like that. I think there's something there. We'll see what happens with the tours over the next six to 12 months. I was like, all right, if this stuff gets folded in, everything I keep hearing is like, the tour basically needs to string this out through 2024 to ensure that a lot of the guys that left don't get like their status is expired by the end of this year. So they have to

re-qualify like that's how that's how I don't know tacky they're thinking in certain ways. Right. And like that's it's still Monahan. Right. It's still still the same fuckers that got us into this mess. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. And also I think the tour, like the PGA tour might be underselling itself a little bit too of you look at like, all right, let's say Zurich, one of the shittiest events in the PGA tour schedule. You look at the closing scenes there, if they did the same shots and the same pictures, I know, the same little tricks and slights of the eye, you could, and then had a big ass concert after the event, you could easily,

easily make that look like, yeah, like if they tied it in with jazz fest is going on in New Orleans right now. You know, like if they took a camera crew out there and like check out the after party, which you know? Like, why not? Maybe they should do that. Now, that's what I say. One thing, though, this last thing I'll say for this may like maybe it's because I just became a father and maybe I'm not the kid anymore. I can't. The shoe is disgusting.

I can't. I just I look at it. It kind of it's like revolting to me to chug a beer out of the shoe. I don't know. I feel like it, does that make you guys? Oh yeah. And now it's like sponsored too. Like it's, everyone's drinking out of like a, I'm not even gonna say the name of the brand. It's like branded now. It's just like, that's, that's way too late to get late stage capitalism on or way too early to get this, this, uh, you know,

maybe I like, maybe it's too much information with how much my feet sweat. Oh, yeah. But I'm just like, oh my God, dude, are you serious? Yeah. Sorry. One more thing. I just got it. I got a shot out my click. Okay. I was candy. Candid Sean said, will there be apologies for Martin Kymers final round 65 to secure the seventh place place finish for the Cliques? No, I get that's so stupid. Like kind of that's the first good

round timer shot all year. Like why? Why should there be an apology? Seventh place finish sustainability out of the captain? Yeah, I mean, Blandy had another top 20 finish. He's always top of the market. I was talking to a couple of guys out there. They said, he said Blandy's wedge game is like everything that blocky thinks his wedge game is. It's like truly world-class. T.C., do you have the standings? Do you have standings or live results in front of you at all?

Please don't. I have a trivia question. If you could please not. I don't, I don't. I can get them up though. Do you think between the two of you, you think you can name all 13 teams in live golf? I know I can.

Okay, go. Okay, the Ironheads. The Cleats. The Majestics. Okay, go. Okay, the iron heads. Okay. The cleats. Okay. The majestic. Okay. The aces.

Yeah. The ripper, ripper GC. Yep. Fire, Los Fireballs. Yep. Legion 13. Yeah, the Legion 13. Legion 23.

Yep. Legion 23, the contagion. If 4k? Yeah, torque. If you, if you say a name twice, you're out by the way. How many do we have? So five remaining. Um, well, Neil said them all. I don't know. Uh, there isn't there. I can say wrong. Smash, smash, smash. There's not a Niblix team, but there should be. It was used to be. Yeah. Oh, the range goats range goats.

I see like now I don't know. You're not doing fine. We're doing fine. I just got a high flyers. Yeah, flyers. Like I don't know if we've got we got three more. Two more. Two more. This is tough because I'm not sure if you said the aces or not. I did. Okay. So he did say the Stinger Stinger. One team remaining. Punch used to be a team, but they're no longer a team.

It is baseball. The nature is so dumb. The crusher. The crusher. Yes. Yes. Oh, good stuff. Good. I don't think I could have done it.

I don't think I could have done it. What's up next to live? What do they have up next? And Tosa at Augusta was just cracking me up, man. So they go. So they go sentosa into what I'm sure they go to Houston. They have a month off and they go to Houston. The PGA is in between. Then they go to Houston.

So they go to Houston in June and then in June and then US open super pleasant in Nashville. OK, so US open in the Nashville. So they're playing three weeks in a row with US open. Yeah. And then Andalucia and then UK, then Greenbrier. And then I guess they don't have the Merida event on the calendar yet, officially on the schedule, but they're going there at some point this fall. Is that the team finale? I don't know.

We'll be in tackle that in a future episode. On to the LPGA. It has wrapped since we have started. Hannah Green, horse for course has been looking like a, looking like a Treadstone operative. She wins the JM Eagle LA championship presented by Plaspro. Really tough name for a great event at a great golf course at Wilshire. She shot a fine around 66 to win by three over Maya Stark. Hey, Renyu, Jen Young Co. Uh, Jen Yee Hem finished, uh, third and then tie for fourth the remaining two names. So, um, Jen Yee Hem had what? 63. I think that the tournament record on Saturday, uh, Wilshire.

Yeah. Uh, Wilshire looks awesome. I've never played there. I'm, I'm dying, dying to get there. Looks like kind of the best elements of LA. Great small bunkers. Those small bunkers are greenside and those little, little hollows and stuff create all these really intricate bunker shots and finishing part three is so good. I, that, I, that, that terminal has come down to that

in the past and was really good in the playoff last year. And she won by three this year. It was, it was softer this year, but no surprise the Australians do well there. Grace Kim was in the final group. She didn't play well today, but Hannah green, back to back there. That's strong. Good to see Maya playing well as well. She's back to back runner ups back to back weeks. She was runner up at the Chevron last week and just always good

to have a little West Coast, West Coast vibes on the evening this time of year. Esther Hensel, it's playing, she didn't have a good finish today, but, uh, T eight still, she's playing very good golf and is going to qualify for that. Solheim cup team. What's your story? I don't really know. It's a good question. German, there's like, the Germans are always kind of mysterious when it comes to golf. So, uh, I need to learn more about her. Yeah. And then Charlie

Hull continues to, I was receiving reports on the ground that she'd ripped four heaters before she got to the sixth tee. Are they real heaters or is it a vape pen? No, I think real heaters yesterday. Yeah. And I know she's got the vape rig as well. Life insurance premiums must be enormous. Can you tell that story? I know she's got the vape rig as well. Life insurance premiums must be enormous. Can you tell that story? No. What happened with Carlota Saganda this week, TC?

This is alleged. I mean, I got it from like four different people, Taddy's official. Help me with this. What do you think the TC scale is? What do you got it from four people? Is it one and a half. What do you think the T.C.'s scale is? What do you got it from four people? Is it one and a half? What do you think his multiplier is?

Four stories on this low play. I won't tweet it out unless I have it from two people at least. And then afterwards. That doesn't equal four. I eventually got it from four people. So it is very much confirmed. Carlota hit it in the wall. She teed off. I don't know why they sent her off five minutes before the next tee time. Maybe because

she's a fucking single and she should be flying and, but like her caddies aim pointing from 30 feet away. It's crazy or you know, doing plumb bobbing and all that stuff. But it's, it's, um, Carlota goes off solo Saturday morning and birdies the first hole and the group behind her is waiting on the tee on the fourth hole. She hit it in the water. She was waiting for a ruling and all that. Don't care at all. You should be a hole and a half in front of the next group, at least at that point. And I guess she played, you know, I'm not sure, you know, I don't think she, I don't think anybody waited on her

the rest of the day, but if you were like, she is the slowest player on tour and I like, she seems delightful. I like Carlotta, but you gotta like, you gotta be self-aware, right? And it's so bad, like to be first off and people to be waiting for you on the fourth tee is egregious like that should be auto DQ if you're on if you're in that position like cool get off the golf course right now

You're not getting a paycheck this week get out of here. I wish there was some way to that slow play became a priority for the there was some way to that slow play became a priority for the. That's the other thing with Liv. Supposedly there were all sorts of like Phil and Bubba were playing slow as shit this week, I guess, just clogging and that's a shotgun. So everybody's on the course at the same time. And I guess Phil's new caddy is wildly slow and Bub has been doing all sorts of weird stuff playing slow. And it's like, man, like you can't really can't do that in a shotgun because you're clogging up the whole course all the way around.

You know, circular bad clogging up the drain. What's up with the Carlton Woods members? You see you get 25 of them reaching out to you. Yeah, no, I would say probably a dozen, honestly. They were, they were, uh, God damn, man. You want to talk about some angry, angry men. This is the golf course that the Chevron was at last week. Yeah. Yeah. That we were mildly critical of the golf course. I don't think we, yeah, I think we were pretty positive about it. Like, Hey, it was better this year than it was last year. Seems like a good country club golf course. Is it major championship worthy? Probably not. Do we like the changes they did here every year? Do they need to get rid of the, you know,

backpack blowers in the background? Yeah. But I think overall, like, I don't think we were unfair to it at all. I give them props for hosting the event and all that. I don't think Houston's a great golf city. And I got more DMs and emails from members that were just, I guess it's called Cartel Woods is their nickname. But they were just, oh my, like, you've never fucking been here before. You have no idea what this place is about. What like what constitutes a championship major venue? And I'm like, I don't know, man. It's like porn. I know it when I see it. Right. It's you know, it's like I don't think we said anything unfair about the place.

It's just like they're playing the the the head. You women's British Open at the old. Yeah. Do you want to go up against the US? go up against the US Open at Lancaster Country Club and they're playing the KPMG Women's PGA at Sahale. Like I think those are in slightly different, you know, and then the Evian's not a real major. And so I think like those are in a slightly different stratosphere than Carlton Woods. How dare you teach them. And yeah. slightly different stratosphere than Carlton woods. How dare you to say that? Yeah. When they showed the aerials, any aerials from the Chevron,

the houses around that course were like bigger than anything I've ever seen. Like that's, that's where P is. You live in Brooklyn though. That's probably. Well, no, but like, I, you know, I know like country club, the South and Atlanta, those houses are like triple the size of the, like,

you know, where the. Texas, everything's bigger in Texas. Crazy, crazy. Yeah, they're just so hostile. And I'm just like, why like you guys are? I don't know. It's it's, it's strange. Strange. So I'm monitoring it solid to know. We had Tommy lad was catting for a stepson this week on the challenge tour got love to see that that was some some

wholesome content. And the I know you love that. That was some wholesome content. And I know you love that. That's big of you to say. You know I'm a Tommy fan. As soon as I saw the picture of the trophy in Japan, I knew TC was going to love that one. It's a helmet trophy at the Handa there. Yeah, that was sweet. I think Handa, I wish that was a bigger event.

I wish that's another example of like, hey, like why can't we play the DP world tour? Like, why can't we fold that into the Japanese, you know, like the Japan open and Dunlop Phoenix, stuff like that. All right. We got a lot of a lot of other stuff to get to. We can kind of move a little bit quickly through some of this stuff, but the equity equity was doled out, I guess, is a way of phrasing it this past week on the PGA tour side. Citing a few quotes from Sean Zoc's article on golf.com,

but players receive a capital interest award for a specific piece of PGA tour enterprises based on a myriad of factors. Players will be ranked via a specific number of membership units akin to a stake in a company, the value of which will vest over a specific period of time. High performance, high performing players will receive a greater stake in a company, the value of which will vest over a specific period of time, high performance high performing players will receive a greater stake in PGA tour enterprises, which will be home to the tours commercial operations. That's where SSG's money is going, which they hope will increase in value over time. I figured, why don't we

just do a few frequently asked questions that a lot of people are going to ask about this. There are a lot of these were answered in Sean's article as well. But you can ask me the first one, Sally, I can help you with this. I read article in detail. What about China? No comment on that. So Sally, next question. So did players receive a big cash payout? No, they did not. I think you can think about these like restricted stock units. So it's an eight year vesting cycle. So

they will be paid out four years, they'll get 50% of their equity based on a 12, I think it's like what, $12.3 billion valuation for PGA Tour Enterprises. So whatever, and they're keeping it confidential. So whatever equity grant you got, the first vesting, 50% will vest in four years. But what's sick about that is there's gonna be a massive tax bill with that because they'll be they'll be taxed as income, even if it's like there's no liquidity event. And then two years later, 25% moral vest, and then the final 25% in eight years. And well, I guess it's part of the frequent asked questions,

but I'll just skip to it. Well, what happens to Ludwig and all the guys that, you know, didn't get equity right now or there's going to be $100 million every year up for grabs to 20 guys. So I'm guessing that like a guy like Scottie Scheffler or Ludwig, whoever balled out, this is basically like the new pip, it kind of feels like where they'll just be able to like, cut, you know, kind of like, they do it a company like Google, they'll be like, Oh, well, you had a great year, you exceeded

expectations. Here's some more golden handcuffs to keep you around. Neil Congrats on the dividend. Thank you recently to those big news. Huge last week. So I'll ask you the next one. Why did pass? Why did past accomplishments get weighed so heavily? Well, so this is, you know, a initial offering, or, you know, this initial equity round there, like, as you mentioned, I think you did for frequently asked questions in

advance there, but that was impressive. There will be future initial if you keep playing good golf, you're going to keep gaining equity in PGA Tour enterprises. But this was a, a lot of like right place, right time for a lot of guys have, you know, you've accomplished this, and you're still playing on the PGA Tour. And you're one of these 36 place, right time for a lot of guys of, you know, you've accomplished this and you're still playing on the PGA tour and you're one of these 36 guys, you're going to get a pretty darn big payouts. Tigers was a hundred million, Royce was 50,

JT and Jordan were 30. But this was not like just boys club. You get this much, you get this much. It was weighted based on how well, how many times you've played 15 events, how many times you've, you know, won majors or big events, which I think they probably count players as a major in that as well. So JT's got three of those, Speed's got three of those. That's kind of the genesis or how it all is

getting started in this initial round. 750 million, I think, going out, if I had that right in this to that group one. Which was, I think, 80% of the total. Yeah. So big time players. It's crazy to me that the number of people who equate equity with a cash payment. Yeah. And it's all just not. Yeah. But it's there's some real hazy stuff here for me of like, okay, so it's all based on this $12 billion valuation. I kind of did some like I was like, all right, what are the other

leagues worth? I think NFL, this is all very rough, but it would be like 140 billion for like the NFL valuation. I think MLB is probably in the 75 billion range. That includes the franchises or not? Yeah, that's basically like taking the franchises and like multiplying the average value by 30 teams, right? So just to give you an idea. But there's a lot of liquidity, there's more liquidity events, because there's units like actual like franchises that that trade hands, which like, so there's like liquidity events that happen. I don't know when when

is there going to be any chance for these guys to cash out is the question. And it's crucial that that 12 billion number keeps going up, right? And, and, you know, ratings are down. So it's like, I guess it's it's logical that that 12 billion number keeps going up. Right. And, and, you know, ratings are down. So it's like, I guess it's it's logical to think that every other sports league live rights, everything is going up. So like the PGA tour should track like with that. But Can I take that? It is all those it is all a little bit like kind of trust us like this will pay out in

eight years. But it's also trust yourself because like now if you're Justin Thomas, if you're Jordan Spieth, I would imagine the largest stake you hold in any one company or organization is your stake in PJTour Enterprises. And you and the guy next to you and the guy next to you and the guy next to you are all in charge

of driving the value of this thing. So you have some skin in the game, right? And when it becomes the tours coming to you to ask you for something, it's just a different decision tree now of like, Hey, is this going to help the entertainment value of my sport? And a huge part of what PJ tour enterprise is going to do from what I gather is like buying up golf stuff, like just events, buying up properties, brining up

blah, blah, blah, it's gonna be a massive golf company more than it is just a PJ tour 501 C six traveling golf competitive golf circuit. So all these guys's going to be a massive golf company more than it is just a PGA Tour 501C6 traveling golf competitive golf circuit. So all these guys are going to have a stake in that and be able to, you know, it's the part where it gets more complicated, but use their fame, their leverage, their relationship with other sports owners and all that to help drive value and all these different properties that the PGA Tour enterprises is going to own and manage and operate and

all that. So it is like, why should you care about it is a question. And like honestly, it's up to you. Like I don't tell anyone to root for players or people's bank accounts. Like that's not why you should care about it. I think the idea here is, all right, y'all we all have this equity. None of it's vesting for four years.

You're gonna stick, if you wanna, if you want any of this, you're gonna need to stick around for four years. It's gonna probably be worth more by the time that it does vest in theory from 12 billion up to whatever that might be. So Rory's 50 million might be worth 80 million by the time it vests in four years

and you get 50% of that at that point. It gets people rowing in the same direction. It prevents what Live was, how Live was so successful was just like, kind of quartering off each individual person and being like, hey, here, right here is 50 million bucks. Do you want to leave all that other stuff behind? You have no stake in it. Like you got to go play for all of that. Like, how does this sound right now? And that was really appealing. Now when Liv comes dangling, in theory, when Liv's come

stangling a bunch of money in front of you, it's maybe a different decision for for and these are the guys that have already decided to stay. So maybe it's not a different decision, but financially, it's a different conversation when that starts in theory with this equity. So yeah, I think it's an interesting case too with the valuation of like, you don't want it to be too high, but you want it to be high enough to where you can get a proper amount of money from SGS. And so I think there's this whole myth that SGS is pumping this money and it's going straight to SSG. Just to right or SSG. Yeah.

Yeah. Sorry. Not the shotgun start. And but yeah, it's kind of one of those things where there's if these players are acting like owners and SSG as well, like I think they're going to take, I think SSG right now is getting a look under the hood of the PGA Tour and how it's run and the people that work there. And there's a lot of dynamic, smart, strategic, you know, smart, like really good people that work there. And then there's a lot of not, a lot of fat,

and there's a lot of like really bad shit. And I think that it's going to be really interesting over the next 12 to 24 months, how that kind of evolves and how they trim the fat. And I think a lot of that plays into, if you look at like the tournaments as franchises, right? Like the value of the PGA Tour is predicated upon, you know, like the strength of the waste management Phoenix Open and the Torrey Pines event and the Tour Championship and all that stuff. It's like, all right, well, you know what? A, we don't own any of that shit right now

or most of it right now. Like, so they're bringing more of that under championship management. And then B, we don't own or operate any of the strongest field, you know, the majors, the Ryder Cup, that sort of thing. So bringing that stuff in house, or I think the next step is they're gonna they're gonna start holding the majors hostage for larger payments, that don't just go to the purse that go to the organization as

well. Like, all right, you want our players, give us a hundred million dollars this year. You know, like I could see them doing that with Augusta and you know, who knows, maybe, maybe Hurley, he and and done and those guys are shielding Augusta from that a little bit. But I could see that being a USGA or PGA of America thing unless they play ball on the Ryder Cup. I just hope we get like 0.72 Steve Cohen and Home Depot, Arthur blank and not Mets Steve Cohen and we can Falcons Arthur blank based on the draft a few nights ago, but that's what we can take that on a different and John and John Henry for that matter. Dude, I mean, I'm not like, Oh yeah, these guys are great business guys. No doubt. We listen to the trap draw when we

need the owners breakdowns. But some of the decisions they make with other franchises they own worry me a little bit. On other PGA tour notes, Rory potentially pending a vote heading back to the board. Another flip flop from Rory, quite some surprise. I'd imagine this has something to do with, I would think, I really don't know. This is a total guess and this is not sourced information. Has something to do with something getting close,

he has a good relationship with Yasser. Some more representation on that board of people that have a good relationship with Piff and Yasser and can hopefully see things through to an agreement. That would be my thinking. I have not, that is again, just total speculation on my part, but I would have to think that. I think that's probably some of it. I think some of it's also like Webb just doesn't want the heat anymore.

He's got his exemptions. He's good. I think Webb wants out of the fucking kitchen. He's going to get his Quail Hollow exemption and all that. He's like, you know what? I'm good now. Uh, I also think Rory could, like he's seeing how slow this thing is, is, is going. Guy Kinnings had quotes this week about how slow this thing seems to be.

That all three parties have not been. The quote was maybe I, when I first read it, it was that nobody had met. I think it was like, hey, I haven't been involved with anything yet. Totally. But I like that Guy Kinnings is kind of voicing up and saying, you know what, we're over here too. Because I think the European tour, DP World Tour, they could easily throw a wrench into this thing and say, you know what, we have all these tie-ins with the governing bodies and the EuroBGR and all that. We are going to tie-ins with the governing bodies and the other OBGR and all that, we are going to basically set up a world tour with PIF. It's the PIF DP world tour and they bring, let's say they bring the Australian Open or they bring the Dunlop Phoenix in Japan or they bring all this other stuff under them.

And then Rory's got a good relationship with PIF, he's got a good relationship with the DP world tour. And then they say, all right, cool. And you know what? The live guys can play here as well. That could be very much a cheat code to like, you know what? Like Jay could actually be the global tour. Exactly.

And it's like, Jay, either get your shit together or you know what, man? Like we're going to just, all right, cool. Like you want a hundred percent of the equity in this thing. Cool. We're going to go over here and you can have a hundred percent of the equity in something that's not going to have any value anymore, you know? And, and so, I don't know. I think, I think Guy Kennings is, I would, I would take Guy Kennings in a, in a

battle over Jay any day of the week. Law degree, former agent knows where the bodies are buried. Has seen Jay misplay this for the last five years. Bring it on, baby. We shall see. There were two glorious NBC takedowns this week, first of which from Dave Shudlowski at Golf Digest was a fantastic article about,

just highlighting they don't have a color announcer first of which from Dave Shatlowski at Golf Digest was a fantastic article about just highlighting they don't have a color announcer announced yet for the US Open, which is not very far away. And it just proceeds to just tear down the so-called leaders involved in this one by one. He said, sometime in early March, Sam Flood, the executive producer and president of production at NBC Sports told a few colleagues, he needed to shake up the network's golf coverage,y eyes must have been rolling because the last thing NBC's golf production needed was for Flood to make things, shake things up further. And on cost-cutting maneuvers, one staffer joked that pretty soon

we're going to be just doing artist renditions of coverage as opposed to showing actual shots with a camera. Dave's request to interview Flood were denied and Tommy Roy via text took a pass on answering any personnel questions. Did he take a pass on answering other questions? I don't know. It's a good question. Tom Roy, not Tommy. It said, yeah, having gone through all the trial and error

for rotating in all these announcers, I said, and don't even ask those PGA tour event, how those PGA tour events felt about their involuntary involvement in the experiment. Sources of the network say NBC is no closer to finding a successor to Aizinger. The clock is ticking. US Open at Piners 2 begins on June 13th, fast approaches. Imagine CPS sports officials telling Masters Chairman Fred Ridley seven weeks out that they'll get back to him on who's in their broadcast lineup.

Man, Sam Flood must be so nervous this week. He can't even spit, man. And then they hit him with the current deal in which Fox still pays 30% expires in 2025. The exclusive negotiating period between the USGA and Comcast begins later this year and then is thrown open in 25. If the sides can't come to an agreement, golf viewers will be right to ask how much flood even cares. I guess flood was the mastermind behind Jack Collins worth and the clapper being on NBC broadcast. Apparently he celebrated for his his innovations in hockey broadcasting. He's the guy that put the guy down on the ice between the penalty boxes. And you know, he's done some, he's done some good things in hockey was, was what I read in his bio.

It is such an unserious organization. And you know what the, it's all the great part is though, like they're, they're just getting started with, with the PGA tour deal. That doesn't expire until 2030. We're only in year two or three of that. Right. It's amazing. I'm curious. I'm actually very interested to see how they, what they do with the Olympics this year.

Aunt Molly. I know. And whether it, the cost cutting expense, I mean, cause you know, outside of the clapper and pregame stuff, you know, Sunday Night Football is still like, I think a fantastic product once the game starts. Yeah. Coach Dungey, Rodney, Jack, Chris Sims, we can take all them out of it. Once Trico. That's what I mean. That's why I prefaced it. I'm saying their personnel choices have

been like kind of clueless. But the old guard that's still in there when the game starts, I think is really, really strong. We won't get into too much of this. But Dan Wolkin at USA Today, USA Today also took them to task for just coming up woefully short on delivering on Nelly Korda's moment at the Chevron. Total lack of quality of cameras and flipping back and forth between the Heritage and the LPGA, which again is all stuff that we've said for many, many years, but to see that get a little bit more run in some more public places was a delight to see. So I don't know, Brian Roberts, it's disgusting what they're doing to golf in like, you know, all this stuff about growing the game and all that. Like some of the hypotheses about why master's ratings were down

were because people were out playing, playing the game. And I think there's this natural kind of battle between professional golf and people going out on a Saturday or Sunday and just being like, you know what, I'm just going to go play golf instead of watching this shit that you're putting on my TV. Let it burn. You have it TC. Uh, we have Taurus sauce. Episode three, uh, we'll air this Wednesday at 9 PM Eastern. We are making our way to Melbourne,

uh, and have a lot of episodes, uh, ahead of, uh, once we get to there and a lot of other stuff in between, it's gonna be fantastic. Uh, TPC, Craig James week, uh, with Spieth and Zala Taurus in the field for the Byron Nelson. Remember the five. We have live Singapore and then LPJ is off this week. So it's the it's the it's the CJ Cup honoring Byron Nelson. Thank you. Thank you for that. I am tired. I did not know we were going to go an hour 45 on Zurich weekend,

but listen, quarterbacks and live Adelaide are going to take up some time. So thank you everyone for tuning in. We will see you back here next week. We got TC and I got a little travel coming up this week, doing a little filming. We are going to have a ton of videos coming. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel. You can watch these podcasts on our podcast YouTube channel as well, or just listen to them wherever you want to like what so thanks for tuning in. See you back here next week. Cheers. Go Cliques. Right club. Right club today.

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