No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 832 - Wells Fargo Preview, Johnson Wagner defends Quail Hollow, Rory won't be joining the board (Happy Hour Show)

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

In our High Noon Happy Hour show, we chat Quail Hollow with esteemed member Johnson Wagner as we preview the 2024 Wells Fargo, answer some questions, check in on some guys having sneaky good an sneaky... bad seasons, chat about Rory's comments Wednesday about him not returning to the board, and a ton more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Live show. Happy Hour Edition, Wells Fargo brought to you by our
Starting point is 00:00:36 friends at High Noon. Sala here. TC is here. Happy Summer is here in Jax, TC. It is. It is. Summer is here. Wednesday afternoon is here. I needed needed this high noon. It actually is it is. Summer is here, Wednesday afternoon is here. I needed this high noon. It actually is gonna feel really good here. Big Randy is here as well, a little earlier in the mountain time zone, but hello, Mr. Big.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Yeah, yeah, I don't know, two o'clock, but it's nice weather out here, so I grabbed a peach flavor from the fridge. Seasonal, yeah. Pretty seasonal of you. Listen, the sun is definitely out. We're gonna hit the 90s in Jax Beach this week, but no matter the forecast. Listen, the sun is definitely out. We're gonna hit the 90s in Jack's Beach this week, but no matter the forecast, live like the sun's always out
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Starting point is 00:01:46 at the Wells Fargo Ludwig Oberg, not in the field with some knee trouble. We can talk a little bit about that later. That's not a good sign a week before a major. Hate that. We're fine. Webb is of course in the field as is custom for signature events.
Starting point is 00:01:59 But listen, rather than starting this show like we normally would with just saying mean things about Quail Hollow, hating on it, ripping on it. We're gonna go around the horn here. I'm gonna ask everyone to say something nice about Coil Hollow and I'm gonna start with you TC. Coil Hollow is exceptionally capable of hosting big events as we've seen with the they got two signature events, a president's cup and a major within a three or four year span. So props to them. They've got the infrastructure, the corporate
Starting point is 00:02:32 hospitality, the logistics, and just the general, you know, gate revenue figured out. That's that's a perfect TC compliment for Quail Hollow. That's even better than I was anticipating. Mr. Big, what's something nice you could say about Quail Hollow? I'll piggyback. You know, they have had a lot of events, some big events,
Starting point is 00:02:52 and I feel like by and large, it's not an ironclad rule, but the course tends to produce some good name winners. And going all the way back to David Thoms, and you had Jim Furek and VJ and Tiger. And Joey Sindelar. We've had Rory. We've had our good friend Max Homa. We've had, you know, Brian Harmon before he went on to win
Starting point is 00:03:14 the open. We had Wyndham Clark before he went on to win the US Open. So I feel like one of the nicest things I can say about Quail Hollow, by and large, it tends to identify a good golfer. Something nice I'll say is during the President's Cup in 2022, it got to flex a little bit of a different muscle. I think as a match play course, it was a lot more interesting.
Starting point is 00:03:36 A lot more interesting pins. I remember on the drive bowl eighth hole, they had some really interesting pins over the top of one of the ridges on the left. And I just remember thinking like, huh, man. This was way more enjoyable golf course to watch You know in a match play format, and I think we are just a little hard on it It's it's not a it's not a bad golf course right? It's just it's big. It's bold It's kind of probably a bit of an amalgamation of what we just don't like in general about tour courses that overemphasize driving distance And just don't necessarily produce the highest tour courses that overemphasize driving distance and just don't necessarily produce
Starting point is 00:04:06 the highest interesting level of golf from a strategic standpoint, but it's not bad, right? It's a different category than TPC Craig Ranch, Craig James, excuse me. And I think we could probably do a better job of distinguishing between the two. That's what I'm saying. Yes, I think we're just tired of it, right?
Starting point is 00:04:20 It's a lot. It's just overexposed. It's a lot. Too capable of hosting. Yeah. And you know, that's a lot overexposed a lot who capable of hosting and you know I you know that's a lot of nice things to be said but I think we can we can keep going because we have a guest that's ready if we can go ahead and make the call to the pen it's somebody that you know is close to the area very familiar
Starting point is 00:04:37 with the area here he comes in from the bullpen he's warmed up he's stretched he's limbered up he's ready to go Quail hollow member Johnson Wagner. I'm gonna task you say something nice about quail hollow Well, I have to say you guys are not wrong at all. But quail hollow is the most Kept golf course in the world right now. It is perfect out there. And so when the guys Come on to the driving range and they talk about the place, the conditions are perfect. I hear what you're saying about the golf course, but it is perfect out there this week, guys.
Starting point is 00:05:17 TC, do you want to get any any beef she want to get about quell hollow out with with quell hollow defender Johnson Wagner right here? What do you say to the to the haters out there that that claim it's it's a little bit one dimensional or it's a little bit you know, too much of an emphasis on driving distance. Like this was the this was where the blow pig was invented last year. I personally have an issue with where, where we've
Starting point is 00:05:46 gone as a member, where we've gone as a club with the golf course, we've, every time we make a change to the place, we make it better as a venue, but not better as a golf course, which is, uh, it's a bit of a tough pill to swallow because I think you could have it both ways. So when we add teas and we do stuff, uh, it, it doesn't make it a better experience for the average player, but it is a better championship venue. And you go out there today and you see these guys hitting the ball 350 yards.
Starting point is 00:06:17 I think Quail Hollow is a heck of a test. Uh, I thought Solly as he always does, gives it. It's just do. Quail Hollows had a bunch of good winners and a bunch of good memories. And, you know, I mean, bring it on, TC. Come on, give it to me. Give it to me like you want to. There's been some good winners.
Starting point is 00:06:39 There's been some fluke winners too, like the Derek Ernst year. That was sick. They lost the green. You want to get into that? That was Derrick Ernst year. That was sick. They lost the green. That was awesome. That was awesome. Uh, how has it evolved since they started hosting this in oh three?
Starting point is 00:06:53 Well, I think the mission statement of the club at Quail hollow is that we want to host the best golfers and have the best events at Quail hollow. And I think we've delivered a venue where we can have the best players in the world come and play golf and, and have a test that, that is, that is, you know, deserving of the best players in the world and behind the scenes, uh, my brother runs player services for the Wells Fargo championship. And it's amazing. Like when guys come on property at Quail Hollow,
Starting point is 00:07:25 and Solly, this is what I wanted you to experience. Quail Hollow is not just the golf course you'll see on TV. It's the experience of being on property. And it's so much bigger than that. And I think that's what y'all miss in the Quail Hollow fatigue that you talk of so much. I just think you need to, and TC, you're even welcome. I'll even, it may take a special like Tuesday guest atron
Starting point is 00:07:53 to get you out there, but we would love to have you come out and come in and have a couple drinks, play golf, and experience what it is to be at Quail, which is a good thing. I'm with you on some of the course changes that are made. They're maybe not the best, but at the same time, we try to put out the best product possible. We want the best players in the world to be here, and we strive to make it better every year. And the people that are actually in charge, they listen to the critics and make those changes every year if we need to be.
Starting point is 00:08:30 I think all that makes a ton of sense. I think if I was putting myself in the listener standpoint of saying like, listen, 99.9% of us are not gonna be attending in person. We're gonna be watching on television, right? And that's kind of where some of the muted reaction comes to it. It's hard though. I'd probably put it middle of the pack on PGA tour courses, right? And, and, you know, that's that's kind of where some of the muted reaction comes to it. It's hard, though. I probably put it middle of the pack on PGA tour courses, right? And it's, it's, you know, it is a good stage, like
Starting point is 00:08:52 really good stadium seating and a good atmosphere, I think, can contribute to exciting golf tournaments. It just for those of those of us that watch Thursday through Sunday, I think it is like, like we said, overexposed, right? We've just seen it a whole heck of a lot. And now it's going back to a major championship venue next year. It just it's a lot. I think Randy has some some beefs with the city at large as well. I don't know if you want to take some time to air that out.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Johnson, oh, how do I how where does Charlotte get off and calling itself the Queen City just because some some king you know we had a revolution here in America we didn't want anything to do with the with the British some King's wife was named Charlotte and hence you know now you're the Queen City where Cincinnati has been dubbed the Queen City the jewel of the West by by poets by by men of letters and words I just I can't stand for it. Charlotte, I feel like they're just trying to steal the valor of Cincinnati. I don't know what your metric is for the Queen
Starting point is 00:09:53 City. If you're, you know, if Cincinnati is the Queen City, is it based on per capita meth heads? That's disgusting. That wow. That is just wow. I mean, I've been to Cincinnati. I've stayed downtown Cincinnati. Charlotte is a wonderful city. It is the Queen City is the Charlotte City and like, I know you guys want to dog on us all the time, but come to Charlotte. Come visit this tournament. It's it's basically the Augusta of the PGA tour here. And it's essentially it's like Atlanta's little brother that in a good way.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah. I think in a good way, I think it's got some, some nice features. It's got a terrible airport. You got to admit that terrible airport. Way better. We've been under construction for about 10 years and then I think in another 10 will be finally ready to actually house people. Yeah, I guess I just get back to like with Quell Hollow. I think going back to full swing
Starting point is 00:10:54 where it felt like Tulsa was the epicenter of the golf universe for how often they went back there. I think Charlotte feels like just generally speaking, because it feels like we just continually go back there for random events. And I think the Wells like, just generally speaking, because it feels like we just continually go back there for random events. And I think the Wells Fargo has been a great event since it started. Like it's been, you know, I think I've actually come to appreciate Quail Hollow more
Starting point is 00:11:17 with having certain years off. Like when they went to Avenal, you know, in DC, or what was that Eagle Point in Wilmington? And it was like, you know what, like, I'm excited to go back to Quill Hollow next year and see it a new guess a little bit. Well, you'll get that break again next year then right? Because PJ is going there. It's weird, the same term. It's just weird, like this same tournament will just be next week, right?
Starting point is 00:11:42 I know the setup will be a little bit different. But that's that's where some of the confusion can lie. What's really cool though, when you're on the ground here in Charlotte and I was the first alternate for the Pro-Am today, which is shocking. And that's a whole different conversation as far as the signature events on the PGA Tour
Starting point is 00:11:59 that I was actually the first alternate for the Wednesday Pro-Am, because there's not enough players. Uh, but I'm out on the range with Rory McElroy and Colin Morikawa and all their caddies and every single player to a T they come up and they say, man, it's really good to be in Charlotte. It's really good to be at quail hollow. And I think players love being here. And I think caddies love being here and I think caddies love being here. I think their families love being here and I think that is what the golf course is was it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:12:31 The club is fantastic and is great at hosting people but I think the fact that the players want to be here is what is what means the most to the city. Fair enough. Typical, typical tour player. It's all about the players. It's not about us fans sitting at home. It's, uh, you know, that's what it is, unfortunately. So I feel like if I showed up to a pro M, I would be 10 times more excited to play with you than the guys in the field this week. We should maybe get you into the field. I mean, I know we've got other Coelho members in there. TC, let's take them up on this. We'll fly up on your plane and we'll go play at Charlotte or at Coelho and then we'll fly back on the same day. And we'll take them up on that.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Don't let them buy you. Don't let them buy your loyalty and your brand. T.C., I'm taking you down. Everyone, any course that we ever have any critique on, everyone's like, you gotta come play it. You'll see what you're missing out on. I'm like, okay, if we come and want to shred it even harder, like that's on you, That's gonna be on you.
Starting point is 00:13:25 But we will have you anytime, any place in TC. I guarantee that my brother and I against you and Solly, it's gonna be a great match. I don't know who's gonna win, but it'll be competitive. We'll have a good time. Yeah, the pro golfer on his home course. I can't wait to see that match. That's gonna be great. All right, that was an inning and two-thirdthird throw in high heat like you always do Johnson we appreciate your contribution have a great Wednesday afternoon and thank you very much for joining us and best of luck to you and to Quail Hollow this this coming week. See you buddy. Alright you all know Roeback best fit best feel it's now spring there's nothing better for the season than Roeback they've
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Starting point is 00:15:47 questions. I've been accused of not implementing questions in the show. It's a false accusation every time it's made. But we're starting with those just to make sure we get to them. I'm gonna throw this to you guys first HV3 tracker year two of the signature designated elevated mega bonus model. Can you confidently say there have say they've been more memorable than past years? If not, what's the point?
Starting point is 00:16:09 Randy, I'm gonna throw to you first. I don't know. I can't confidently say that. Yeah, so I would agree with HV3 Tracker. What is the point? We know the points to try to get the best in the world, at least on the PGA Tour, competing more often and more consistently when fans will know
Starting point is 00:16:30 that they're gonna be in the field. I guess mission accomplished there. I think part of the point has been to distribute more money to the players. I would say probably mission accomplished there. But from a fan standpoint, you know, I think of, well, say two examples. One where I do think it really has helped is I love Harbor Town. I love Hilton Head. Having the best on the PGA Tour go play the Heritage.
Starting point is 00:16:56 That has been great because you see a lot of guys playing that tournament who otherwise would have never played it. And so that's the good side of it. A tournament like the Genesis RIV, I don't think it makes a difference, right? That's always a great tournament. It's a great course. I couldn't tell you, you know, we had great winners prior to it being a designated event.
Starting point is 00:17:17 So I don't know. I'd say on Netnet, probably not, you know, doing as much as what they were hyped up to do. But there are some good examples. TC? Like Randy said, I think Travelers, Harbor Town, a few other examples there. I think overall the Stars need to play better outside of Scotty.
Starting point is 00:17:40 That's what it comes down to. Also, I have a problem with us taking a question from a tracker. Yeah, that's on me. It was a good question. He's a good one. Don't worry. We know he's a proud, proud service member and there's nothing for him to track anymore because who knows what HV3 is going on.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Yeah, that's got to be light work. Well, HV3, this is like his hometown event, you know, the Charlotte event and, you know, yeah, who knows what he's doing this week listen I think it is kind of like making a baseball move that makes a ton of sense like hey does it make sense to trade for this guy or bring this guy up or put him in the lineup and he comes out and he hits 100 for the first like month and a half of the year it's just because like it hasn't fully delivered this year doesn't mean it's not the first month and a half of the year. It's just because it hasn't fully delivered this year
Starting point is 00:18:26 doesn't mean it's not the right move. And then over time it won't be the right move. Last year they were fantastic events. They felt a lot more elevated. It was like, all right, this was the PGA Tours way of striking back. Everything after June 6, almost said Jan 6 again, everything after June 6 has just felt rudderless.
Starting point is 00:18:44 I don't really know what I'm watching when I'm watching pro golf kind of somewhat similar to When I'm watching live in terms of like I don't know what we're building towards I don't really care nearly as much about who wins these as I did When these tours were at war when they were supposedly now merging and who knows what's going on like the the rudderless direction of pro Golf is just more distracting than the fact that like hey Most of the best players in the world are all playing of course at the same time They wouldn't all be here in these numbers if that wasn't almost mandated or wasn't designated elevated Whatever you want to call it and in theory it should create more exciting leaderboards and more recognizable names
Starting point is 00:19:18 Like will we be doing this differently if Pebble would have got to have their Sunday with like Ludwig and Wyndham and the names Are up there at the top of that. Like these leaderboards delivered in 2023, the ROM max showdown at Genesis I go back to. And this is the part that's awkward to say and the people don't like hearing. But honestly, cutting off some of the bottom of the field is less likely that you're gonna have a fluke winner that kind of ruins a great leaderboard. So I still support it. I don't think it has transformed pro golf the way that maybe it
Starting point is 00:19:51 felt like it was possibly going to when it was started out with a lot of great momentum, but I still think this is better than the alternative of just like a smoothed out schedule because that, we've done that. I got tired of this. Yeah, I think there's two things there. I thought A, you were going to weave in the Theo Epstein stuff with your baseball analogy. It was a little bit like trading for, you know, somebody and then not putting a team around them. Like you're, you're kind of doing, you know, you're making this big change and then they're not what's it building towards treating it at all. Right. I'm just like, all right, just cause you juice the purse and the best players are there,
Starting point is 00:20:26 it still looks like the same product to the casual fan. I think that's part of it too. And then I think also, I have a big problem with it from a competitive standpoint as far as like, this is Webb's fourth start of the year, or this is in these designated events where it's such a side door into the top of the FedEx Cup if you play well. If you know it just feels like all right if we're gonna make this
Starting point is 00:20:52 all about competition and quality of competition then you know what we need to we need to close that side door make it truly merit based. Yeah. Or if you want to you want to spice it up a little bit you're gonna have these these sponsors invites and everything else available which these people are paying 20 million dollars to I think they have the right to do that a little bit have like the coolest Qualifier ever like pick four six eight names Have them do it on a Monday that be so want to talk about like extra juice put it on live-stream it on YouTube do. You want to talk about like extra juice, put it on live stream it on YouTube,
Starting point is 00:21:25 do something, figure something out and let it go. Like actually have people and you can still pick the webs or whoever else you want. But like have an actual competitive avenue instead of just being like, yeah, he's a member, which obviously this week weighs in heavily. But also like, you know, their past results and everything aren't the only factor weighing into them getting into this tournament. So there's the the the part about pro golf that nobody likes and nobody likes talking about just like asking companies to fork up 25 million bucks which Wells Fargo is no longer going to do uh gives them the right to pick a few guys to put in the tournament right so I'm fine with that except that like there's still room to add more players to this field right like 69 players into players into it. So you can keep going down the list.
Starting point is 00:22:05 You can create some excitement about getting into it. You can just almost optically give a better impression of these events. I mean, there are a ton of spots up for grabs, the swing 10 and swing five. I can't keep track of what they all are, but like you play good golf outside these events, you get in, right?
Starting point is 00:22:20 And that's the part that I feel like gets under commented on is just like the closed system. It's not a closed system. You can play your way in your golf scores get you in still. And I fall back on like, dude, there's not like a hot or extremely talented player that gets cut out of these fields. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:36 I mean, look at the names at the bottom of it. It's kind of like, ah, okay. I mean, we're at a reasonable cutoff point. Yeah, I don't know. I just, you know, I think the Zurich is kind of a get out of jail free card on that front as well of like, all right, yeah, you can go pair up with one of the best players in the world and play well and rock it up the FedEx Cup standings. I think with Webb, I'm fine. Like on the grand scheme of things, as far as exemptions go, I'm fine with him getting one this week. It's the other three that he's got. Totally pissed me off of like, especially if you
Starting point is 00:23:02 know you're going to get one for Quail Hollow and then coming out in the media and talking about it with zero self-awareness in the sense of entitlement. And basically the only reason he didn't get one for Riviera was because it was his kid's birthday and he didn't want one. Just like the fucking optics are terrible. It's so bad. It's so bad. And there's just, oh God, the tour is gonna eat itself.
Starting point is 00:23:21 All right, one more question. Matty Mole, if you could make a trade between the PGA Tour and Liv for two players, excluding Rom, Brooks, and Cam, who would you pick to come back and who would you send packing from the tour? Comparable players like Wyndham for Neiman, for example. I love this question, this was a great question.
Starting point is 00:23:40 I got a pretty easy answer here, if you guys want. Yeah, go ahead. If we're looking at value, I'm giving Xander and can't lay up for DJ and for Bryson. That's that's my trade. If we had to exclude Rom, Brooks and Cam, DJ and Bryson be the most interesting guys to come back and standard can't lay. I'd be fine if that if that if they went away. That's where I was gonna go, Salih. I was gonna go, Zander and Cantile pack your shit up.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Maybe wind them. That's so harsh. I want Bryson back. For competitive purposes, I want Neiman back. I thought about Blandy, but I can't rip the soul out of the cliques like that. And then P. Reid's just too volatile. I like him over on live.
Starting point is 00:24:25 He's kind of sequestered over there. You got a trade big. Yeah, it's to the TC just said he didn't want I'm bringing Blandy home. I want to watch him play. He's 51. He might just go to the champion. He's 51. Yeah. Oh my god. He tried to play in the European like the,, the, uh, the, uh, senior men's open
Starting point is 00:24:47 and the European tour wouldn't let him. They said he is, he was in violation and he hadn't paid his fines. He's too good. He's simply too good for that. Uh, I was thinking too P, you know, P or Phil or Bryson, I don't care. Somebody that gives us something to talk about personality. And then I'm fine, Xander, Patrick, you know, Milton Fee now if he wants to go. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Go ahead. Don't do this, Randy. Come on, that's so disrespectful. You know. That's so dis- Don't do the Milton thing in that conversation. So we couldn't pick Rom, we couldn't pick Cam, and we couldn't pick Brooks.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Those are the three that we couldn't pick? Yeah. Correct. Yeah, those don't make sense. Making Gooch come back would be fun too. Forcing him to come back. That'd be fun for a week and a half. And then he would just go like absolve back into around the 40th to 50th best player. And like we wouldn't hear from him. That's exactly what would happen. I could send Tom Kim too. I think we could do that. You're going to give him a global superstar? I think he'd be great on the Iron Heads. Personally.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Is that comparable value? That's an interesting comment, TC. That's comparable value. We can build off that. Tom Kim for Blandy? Alright, we're going to do a quick segment here. I don't know how far into the season we are. Maybe about halfway. Does that seem about right? We got three still literally who could say three majors to go but timeline wise probably about halfway through. I wanted everybody to go with somebody that has been sneaky good this
Starting point is 00:26:14 year, sneaky having a good season. My answer, and we're gonna do sneaky bad shortly after this, but my answer maybe a little bit cheating because this guy has won on the PGA Tour this year. But my vote was Akshay Bhatia, which is just the actual leap he's made in terms of strokes gain and in terms of consistency and like the across the board leap has been really impressive. If you can see that up on the screen here, the data golf image of just tracking the moving average of strokes gain from like where he turned pro, kind of middling around there in 2022 with well at a well below average
Starting point is 00:26:47 But the constant rise he's had and like that blue line you see in that image is a top 25 player like his His leap he's made at the age that he's he is which is 22 years four months. I believe it says on the screen It's massive, dude. I honestly didn't think his ceiling was was this high like top 25 in the world. I kind of thought You know, I think Kevin Na was probably the best comp for someone like him in terms of Turning pro when you're 17 and just trying to make it and and carving out a career I don't think he's on a like a Ludwig track But he's my sneaky good player so far this year and I just wanted to shout him out for that TC you're next.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah, I was gonna go Xander first. I didn't realize how good of a season Xander's having. He's like, just keeps racking up. I think he's gotten top tens and more than half of his starts and just a little bit jarring to see. He's made almost every cut. He's got 10 top 25s and seven top 10s, but I'm going to go a different direction. I'm going with JT Poston. I figured he was underrated player in the world, pound for pound, best player in the world. 14th on the season right now, 40th in the world in the Crooked OWGR. I don't think anybody extracts more results from their skill set and profile than JT Poston. He's a North Carolina guy. I wanted to highlight him this week for the Quail Hollow.
Starting point is 00:28:12 And then, you know, I would be remiss if I didn't say Abe Anser and Dean Vermister as well. Thank you TC for getting four names in in that segment. Randy, what's your, who's your sneaky good player so far this year? Yeah, I, so I went with somebody that hasn't won. I leaned into the sneaky part of sneaky good. And I want to highlight Ben On.
Starting point is 00:28:37 He's a guy, he's got seven top 25s on the year. He's done some work in these elevated signature. That's part of the problem, the marketing. Nobody even knows what to call them. But he's got four top 10s. He had a runner up at the Sony at the beginning of the year. Strokes gained wise his profile.
Starting point is 00:29:01 I believe he's like, what is he? 37th overall, strokes gained total, really good off the tee, just not putting it great and not great around the green. So if the putter does get hot, he could certainly nab a victory here or there this season. I love that. Are we are we worried about another suspension though? Possibly possibly TC.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Brandy wrote in the agenda cough syrup on in there instead of Ben on just a potential juice man. Guys, it was over the counter in Korea. It was an accident. Listen, I learned about over the counter stuff that was maybe illegal in Australia. It helped me out greatly. So there's a reason there are other protocols in place though.
Starting point is 00:29:43 Also Tass I wanna come up with somebody that's been sneaky bad. All the gains Ricky Fowler made last year it was a very real leap they all went away they went they went away really hard he went right back to kind of milling around where he was in 2021 and 2022 which again if you're watching online you can see on the screen he went he zoomed past being a top 25 player in the world with his with his moving average in 2023 and it just fell right back to he's essentially an average PGA tour player and I've not heard any chatter about him you know maybe that's maybe that kind of says it all in terms of what people are expecting out of him these days but I thought his comeback was
Starting point is 00:30:20 pretty darn real last year it was sustained sustained. It was not a short blip on the radar, if you will, and now he's back to being whatever the struggle bus is, and it's disappointing to see. Do you see it? Rick can't get it turned around this week. It's cause for alarm. This place should be perfect for him. Yeah, he said so. Yeah, obviously a lot of different directions we can go here. Some of my favorites are having
Starting point is 00:30:43 a very bad year. One name, one person. Yeah, obviously a lot of different directions we can go here. There's some of my favorite names. One very bad years. I'm going to go with Vincent Norman. I had him kind of pegged for some more stardom and kind of a, you know, he's just sky's the limit guy. And he just hasn't done shit this year. Really, really bad season thus far. So I'll leave that there.
Starting point is 00:31:03 That's that's, you know, obviously we could go Justin Saw, Nick Hardy, Scott Stallings, Davis Rodney, Adrian Dumont. I was waiting for that. I was waiting for the ADDC apology. That's, that's not, no, that one I'm more sad about than I am kind of like, all right, he's going to turn it around here soon, but yeah. And the aces obviously. Of course. Randy, who's your sneaky bad player of the year so far? Yeah, you know, the, the pride of Canada, Taylor Pendreth winning last week, Kent State Golden Flash alum. It got me thinking about the other Kent State Golden Flash alum.
Starting point is 00:31:36 And that's Corey Connors who had been putting together, uh, some very good seasons last year started to flash. We're seeing his kind of career year by year summary page. I think the big thing to note is, you know, he got the win last year. He's usually good for, I don't know, call it five to 10 top tens in any given season. Zero so far this year.
Starting point is 00:32:04 He's actually, he's hitting the ball well. His approach play is elite, but the putting and the chipping are awful. So my guy, Corey Connors is fighting it a little bit this year and I think from where we kind of saw him progressing last year, he's certainly taking a step back. Randy, you could have gone with another flash to Mackenzie Hughes. Mackenzie Hughes, they're trafficking in Canadians.
Starting point is 00:32:32 It's so many Canadians. Moving on to our fan duel play of the week, of course, anything in this section is subject to change. Quick look at the odds sheet for this McRory is the favorite at plus 650. Xander at plus 900. Wyndham Clark is plus 1400. Cantlay plus 1800. Max Holm is plus 2000. We got Morikawa, JT and Cam Young at plus 2500. Sahith, Tommy Ladd at plus 2800. Victor Hovind still plus 3000 despite the tough run that he has. Milton Fennell plus 3500. all that good stuff you can keep going down the list TC again one pick what is your one pick this week doesn't have to be a winner any fan dual pick of the week uh Cody flash it up there for me because I had like six picks and I can't remember which
Starting point is 00:33:19 one I sent over gosh Lauren Coughlin Zander Schauffeleofley. I did our custom parlays for the week too with the top 20s. So Lauren Coughlin, top 10, Xander Shofley, top 10. We'll parlay action. This is my play of the week. I think Xander has been a top 10 machine this year. Lauren's played well at, she had a tough final round last year at the founders, but this should be a great golf course for, um, not getting a whole lot of value out of the Xander plus 105 odds that are subject to change.
Starting point is 00:33:51 But Lauren, a plus 600 for a top 10. I really, really like that. Parlay them together. You get some decent value. I like that. Big Randy, what's your play of the week? Yeah. Uh, I'm, I'm on the LPGA tour and it's listen, I don't know how to handicap anything, but this is for entertainment purposes. Right. Our good friend, Madeline Saxton finished last week with a 65 got into a the top 10 and just looking at her recent results in the founders at upper Montclair country club. She
Starting point is 00:34:24 finished tied for 10th last year. Two years ago, she was in the founders at upper Montclair country club. She finished tied for 10th last year. Two years ago, she was in the final group ended up finishing tied for third. She goes off at 60 to one this week. I, or plus 6,000, whatever odds you prefer there. And I just think it's pretty good value. It's a course that suits her. Um, and her having that really nice Sunday round last week is kind of like, oh damn, if she found something,
Starting point is 00:34:48 she can get streaky. And so I wouldn't mind placing a little flyer on Miss Madeline this week. Guys, I found a fun one in there that I honestly didn't know that Fandil had. Just a little bit of research on this. Among the Rory, Kim max Homa group I have Rory to have the longest drive on in the first round on the first hole of course
Starting point is 00:35:11 It has to be in the fairway, but it's plus one 115 it's a pretty big wide fairway there on one Rory's driving it incredible It's basically a bet like does Rory hit the first fairway, and I think he will and that if he hits the first fairway he's gonna have the longest drive of him and Tom Kim and Max Homa I Loki love this one so that was I was basically betting that like a bet for Tom Kim would be a bet that the other two missed the fairway correct yeah actually right yeah okay so there's a lot of fun fun ones out there's interesting thank you I was very thrilled when I found this one was like
Starting point is 00:35:43 I kind of wish I lived in a state where that could make that happen. But thank you to Fando. Of course odds are subject to change. TC hit us with one today. A stat of the week. I have never heard of this stat and as the stats guy, I was so impressed that you one found this and two that this stat exists, three that the PJ Tour tracks it and four the level at which we're going to get to. So TC, take us to the stat of the week. Yeah, I was deep in the mines on the PGA Tour website. Sometimes I like to swing through there, look at different streaks, like who has the current longest cuts made streak or current longest streak without a three putt, which I think is like
Starting point is 00:36:25 230 holes in a row for somebody right now. There's a couple of categories on there. There's one percentage of available purse. So the percentage that you could win of the purse as a singular player. And then there's another one that's percentage of total purse and Scottie Scheffler far and away is absolutely crushing people right now. He's got 62. He's got 62% of potential money won. Literally, if you if you teed it up, if you won every
Starting point is 00:36:58 tournament, he would win $30.1. And he's instead he's won eighteen point six nine million dollars that so he's won sixty two percent of possible money he could have possibly won on the PGA tour next closest is Wyndham at thirty point two five percent and then Ludwig and Hideki are at twenty percent so I mean Scottie's just he, he's laughing. He's hoovering. It's crazy. It's insane. The hoover. Went back and did a little checking
Starting point is 00:37:29 of just Tiger stats on this and went and found the 2000 season of Tiger stats. Tiger won 63% of the money in 2000. He won 9.1 million of a possible 14.5 million. So Scottie's almost tracking at Tiger 2000 levels. Little different math here because the they didn't have even have the signature events or weren't the purses that were this far out of, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:55 percentages percentage though, right? That's actually true. You're right. That is still the same distribution. Yeah, of purses. That's an insane stat. I was flabbergasted when I saw that. That is a brand new way, which I think should be a weekly segment as well. A brand new way to describe how good Scottie Scheffler is at golf,
Starting point is 00:38:11 because we are running out of ways to describe it. But great find on that one. All right, let's go to, this was an easy one this week, the most interesting pre-tournament quote. Almost all of them, I think, there's several to choose from, from this one guy, Mr. McElElroy I chose this one just about his answer of the
Starting point is 00:38:29 news that he will not be returning to the board and that Webb Simpson will be seeing out his term I think we have that clip if it is available to play and this is Roy's question when be or answer when being asked about how that all unfolded? Complicated and pretty messy. And I think with the way it happened, I think it opened up some old wounds and scar tissue from things that have happened before. So yeah, I think it was, and I think there was a subset of people on the board that were maybe uncomfortable
Starting point is 00:39:09 with me coming back on for some reason. And yeah, I think that the best course of action is if there's some people on there that aren't comfortable with me coming back on, then I think Webb just stays on and sees out his term. And I think he's gotten to a place where he's comfortable with doing that. And I just sort of keep doing what I'm doing. So yeah, I put my hand up to help. And I wouldn't and it was, I wouldn't say it was rejected, it was a complicated process
Starting point is 00:39:49 to get through to put me back on there. So that's all fine, no hard feelings and we'll all move on. All right, TC, I'm gonna define this as clearly as I can or as simple as I can for what it feels like what's going on. Rory wants a merger with Liv. He wants a deal done with Piff. He wants, he wants, you know, reunify the game.
Starting point is 00:40:10 And it certainly sounds like what he's describing is that one, too many people on the board, many players on the board, many, maybe PGA tour players, uh, maybe don't necessarily want that or don't want him back on the board to try to push that through. What am I, what am I missing out of this situation? Yeah, I think that's, it's really interesting that Cantlay is now kind of the villain for not wanting to work with the Saudis,
Starting point is 00:40:34 how this thing is flipped around. Yeah, it seems like, I think there's a block within the board, I would assume it's probably Cantlay, Spieth, Tiger,, Tiger, whomever else that's very much like, hey, we're going to get this stuff worked out. They're extremely distrustful of Monahan, Herlihy, Dunn, Flaherty, those guys on the board. Then how do you move forward? How do you fold everything back together? I think Rory's looking towards the future, wants a global tour. These other guys don't want a global tour. They
Starting point is 00:41:07 want to play in North America and just have the status quo. And so essentially they're going to just make the tour, wait this out. I do think it's tough with Rory that, man, you were on the board and you stepped down. These guys elected you, you kind of bailed on them, which is fine if you got a bunch of stuff going on, but I think that precludes you from wanting to hop back on when it's convenient. It's not like Jordan doesn't have a bunch of shit going on at home with two kids and all sorts of business interests and stuff like that. So, you know, it's, you know, and then we got James Han talking about democracy. All right, you're deflecting, you're deflecting,
Starting point is 00:41:50 you're deflecting. You cannot say that Rory was not treated like extremely dirty, basically put out there, like feed in whatever field do you wanna see and let anybody like just completely pick him apart on every single quote. and he put himself out there a lot. I understand that I think the one thing that is kind of missing and I'll say this, which I kind of agree with where
Starting point is 00:42:14 the Cantley cabal is that is that they believe that they're representing the entirety of the PGA tour, not just I would say Rory's vision of the world Tour solely rests like on the top 70 to maybe 100 people in the world that play professional golf. And the flip side is like, no, we have strength here in our numbers, very much looking at it like a union shop and saying, we're trying our best to hold this together to maximize potential, you know, revenue, everything else that's coming in. We don't need those guys to do that. Solly, am I wrong? I honestly don't know, but I would struggle to like paint Cantlay as the hero for the Everyman and the Mules of the PGA Tour, right? I doesn't that's not the vibe I get. I again, for sure, I can't say definitively either way on that. That's that's not like
Starting point is 00:43:08 Necessarily congruent with what I'm hearing but it's not like he's trying to screw the rank-and-file I think there is a world I think ideally and I don't know the exact answer on how to get there But there's a world where like the top funnel gets bigger and like everybody else benefits from it, right? Like that's like the best case scenario of all of this And I think the way Rory sees that playing out is of course Unifying the game and I think he part a big part of Rory dude is like he's a legitimate golf fan right? He it's his profession. He's lucky enough to be in a spot where it like he said this on our podcast in 2021 like every dollar I make
Starting point is 00:43:37 going forward playing golf I don't need. Like I would not give up what I have but every dollar I would play for free going forward. And some of what Rory says is a little high-minded, a little bit of bullshit, but like, I believe that. Like, I don't think he's acting in his own best sense other than like, saying that, I do think what works for him also would work for the golf fan and is convenient. Like, so I don't want to necessarily paint him as a complete hero there, and he does have different interests in this than a lot of the American golfers that you know, they do have families and don't necessarily want to play all around the world. So I Struggle to see a world where we sitting here as golf fans and everyone chiming in the chat and listen to this like Like this works out great. That doesn't include unification, which is the part that just worries me about all this.
Starting point is 00:44:25 It feels like we're no closer to any of this. Maybe unification would suck way more than I think it would and live would win maybe way more than I think it would. And, you know, they can't get out of their own way. Again, it's easy to sit here and talk about, it's hard to make the decisions and put into action here, but man, it's a pretty clear message if you didn't want Rory back here.
Starting point is 00:44:44 I, it sounds like Rory would want back on because of his contacts within PIF and could kind of help see this through. And if that gets rejected, which again, I kind of understand after he left, but it leaves me pretty worried about how all this coming together. I got two things. I think Rory, I don't think anybody's acting maliciously. I think they're all acting as they see the best interest, even Cantlay. I think they were all lied to by Jay, Rory included. I think the fact that Jay's still in power is
Starting point is 00:45:15 fucking insane. Like, you know, like we're, it's, it's May 8th, 2024. Now we're four plus years into this thing and Jay's fumbled it at every turn and the fact that they can't get somebody in there to lead and that people trust, because I think that's the biggest thing. Can't lay, speak, you know, like they just don't trust Jay at all, right? And I think Rory's viewed within that room as a sympathizer for Jay between his Fenway contacts between Herlihy and Don's relationship with Rory and all of that. So I think there's some rightful skepticism there. Now, I would say if I'm Rory, like, cool, these guys don't want to play ball, I'd call up Guy Kinnings and the DP World Tour and Piff and say, cool, let's do something. Let's set up an international event series that's separate from Live that basically dare the PGA
Starting point is 00:46:11 Tour to tell PGA Tour players that they can't play in these events. Maybe you incorporate the Irish Open in that. Maybe you incorporate a big tournament in England or a big tournament in mainland Europe or the Australian Open, basically call their bluff and say, hey, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I want a global tour. I'm going to do that. It's not, you know, you can still play the PGA Tour. Like I'm not destroying the PGA Tour, but I'm putting my money where my mouth is and
Starting point is 00:46:38 setting the example here. Yeah, it's just hard to, I know he's, I wouldn't say he's flip-flopped a lot. I think his opinion on a lot of things has evolved as more information's come on, but he literally just said a couple weeks ago, like, God, I'm going to be on the PGA tour for the rest of my career, right? Like, I think it'd be hard. I know you're not talking about him leaving the PGA tour, but like, that's going to be viewed that way, right?
Starting point is 00:46:56 And that's a huge part of this for me is like, I think you can follow logic with Rory very easily to like how, why, how and why his opinion has changed on things and evolved as new information comes in. It's a whole new world once June 6th happened and it's a whole new landscape you're making decisions within as of that point. And it just, there's a difference in like governing slash leading and there's a difference in logic, right?
Starting point is 00:47:24 Like the PGA Tour players are a pretty finicky and unruly bunch in that a huge part of politics and governing and leading in general is not like making the most logical decisions, making the most appealing decision for the group of people that you're governing, right? And I think Roy's right on a lot of this, and I just think the PGA Tour players as a whole
Starting point is 00:47:43 view it differently, right? And so his relationship, his inability to get back on the board, even if he's saying a lot of the right things, is represented like you got to figure out how to sell this to people and he's not been good at that part. And I don't know how you do sell it to the board as a whole and to the leaders and the rest of the PJ Tour policy board members as a whole and get it pushed through. But, sorry, what is he selling you? I will say this, who's article? Shupac's article this week about a veteran PGA Tour player
Starting point is 00:48:11 coming up and asking Cantley a question. And it's like, oh, you know, Patrick, you have to ask the exact question precisely or else he's not gonna answer you. Right, I've learned that too. Rory's like more approachable than that. Like you're playing like his- It's not that. Like you're playing like his game with Patrick. It's just like, it just, the viewing of flip-flopping
Starting point is 00:48:30 is something I've heard from players. I don't necessarily agree with that, right? But it is a, it just felt like everybody was like, we're at war with him, we're at war with him, we're at war with him. Now all of a sudden, again, June 6th changed everything. Now Rory's talking about merging with this group and kind of bringing the PIF together.
Starting point is 00:48:47 And it seems like flip-flopping, even if it's not necessarily the same. I just, I think, A, like I don't know what Rory's selling. Right, like I know he's, like there's this nebulous world tour thing out there, but the people that he's aligned himself with aren't giving us anything to work off of, right? And I'm sure we're gonna get waterboarded
Starting point is 00:49:05 with Theo Epstein stuff and strategic sports group stuff and all sorts of, you know, hey, we got everything under control. We found a new title sponsor for Charlotte next year, da da da da da. And it's like, you know what guys, like your track record, let's say Roy does wanna do a global tour, the guys in charge of the PGA tour shouldn't be the ones setting that up either.
Starting point is 00:49:27 They're fucking idiots. So anything to add, Randy? No, nothing. Nothing. Where are you at? How you feel about it all? I don't even know where I'm at. Honestly, I'm not trying to be glib.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Are you? I don't know. I, you could catch me by the day. And indifference is the worst trying to be glib. I don't know. You could catch me by the day. And indifference is the worst place to be. I'm not faulting you for this, but that's where it drives you towards like, dude, I don't, I feel very apathetic about it. I mean, that felt that way for months.
Starting point is 00:49:55 We've tried not to talk about it, honestly, because it just puts you in a bad mood. Yeah, Brendan Porath had a great piece in the Fried Egg newsletter earlier, I think it was last week, just about how like, it's like, yeah, man, like, I'm just going to go play golf. I'm not going to watch it this weekend. I don't want to, you know, between the TGL announcements and, you know, bleak dystopian opposite field events and, you know, the LPGA stuff, it's just, you know what? Fuck it all.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Like just, yeah, just take it all away. I'd be curious too, like who, I'm just trying to think of who leaked that information to, I think it was you and Murray with the Guardian. Like who, who, who, in whose interest was it to have that out there that Rory wanted to rejoin the board, that, that, that Webb wanted off the board and to do it seemingly prematurely as well? Was it knowing that this is going to get shot down and then to make Rory look sympathetic or is it done to make, to kind of show the public that, hey, there's a lot more division within the board than has been told? I don't know. Personally think personally, I think Tiger needs to step up and like show some leadership here,
Starting point is 00:51:07 whether it's, you know, I think some of this needs to come out of, you know, out in public as well. Just stand up and talk to your fellow players and talk to the fans and say, hey, here's where I think we should go. If anybody disagrees with me, they're more than happy to kind of, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:22 argue accordingly, but here's what I think, and Tiger doesn't seem willing or able to do that out front, like lead from out front. If you got tagged in on this stuff, you guys got to bring, was it Joe Durant on the board? Or Joe Ogilvie on the board, like all that. It's like, all right, then you know what?
Starting point is 00:51:44 Tell us what's up next, right? Like this- Give fans some hope. This negotiation doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Give us, what the fuck is pro golf gonna look like? We're supposed to be pro golf fans, we have no idea. All right, that's enough on that one. This is-
Starting point is 00:51:58 I will say, Randy, you kind of, you took the easy card there because it, I don't know why you don't wanna state an opinion here on this side because we've been very vocal about it on the LPGA side about a world tour, forming a world tour and bringing PIF money into it. It seems like you're 100% for that. No, that's fine. I'm to the point with men's golf where I'm just like, just do something. Let me know what it's going to be and I'll watch what I want to watch.
Starting point is 00:52:24 I just am not in that invested in the boardroom politics, I guess. To Sali's point, I don't know what anybody truly wants. There's no visions being sold. We have to have a commissioner that is never available, is never out in public. I'm like, okay, well, whatever's going to happen is going to happen. Here's the most simple view I can make of it. It's like, why would golf be the one sport that can withstand division amongst its top players playing in different places?
Starting point is 00:52:52 Why the fuck would that make sense? Like it is not the size of football, it is not the size of basketball, it is not the size of baseball. Like all of those play in one place. Like again, make that make sense to me. It makes absolutely no sense at all. I get that we talked about you reunification all this stuff I I mean outside of like maybe some live guys playing in their favorite PGA tour events like
Starting point is 00:53:16 None of them want to come back and play like a full PGA tour season Totally and that's and that's what are we talking about? Right. Until somebody starts talking about stuff that's going to make the viewing experience better or the fan experience better. I'm like, I could care less because okay, we could reunify tomorrow. Is that going to drive TV ratings? Maybe short term, but long term it like we weren't in a great spot before the split. I feel like the trends were headed in a not great way. So it just, I feel like we haven't even gotten
Starting point is 00:53:46 to the part of the conversation yet where I would be interested in like, okay, how are we gonna make this a true modern sports product that's great for the viewer? And yeah. Moving on, we have just a few minutes here left in happy hour. We had some comments come out from TC's boy, Sam Flood.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Let's make it happy. At NBC. Something we can all get behind. Talking about, you know, when referring to budget cuts being made at NBC, it said, it's completely false narrative. When asked about the allegation that NBC has been cheapening its golf product, we are investing in looking at opportunities to grow the game
Starting point is 00:54:21 and make the audience bigger. Tommy has had more assets and more resources than he's had in the last few years. We looked at the entire portfolio and we decided to lean in where the audience is going to be bigger. We use our resources smartly at the other events. You have to look at things through the lens of that. NBC Tournament Golf, Golf Channel Tournament Golf, and the Golf Channel Studios are one big bucket. You look at the whole bucket and you take advantage of the moment. You can grow the game, engage the audience and give the biggest audience the best possible experience. Yeah, Tommy, Tommy threw the previous guys under the bus. He said, hey, they took some toys away from me.
Starting point is 00:54:53 Now I got all the toys back. Then Flood said, well, you know what? We only use the toys for the majors and the big events where first of all, where the fuck were those toys during the Ryder Cup last year? They didn't go to the Ryder Cup. But it's just so funny to where like now he's basically biting the hand of the PGA Tour of saying, you know what, like we outside of the players, we don't care about any of
Starting point is 00:55:16 these rank and file events. We're going to do the bare minimum on those. We're just going to focus on the majors. We'll see if the major telecasts provide some sort of respite. But I think he's trying to engender sympathy. He said he belongs to two golf clubs and that he's a Patriots fan, which I'm not sure if that's great PR.
Starting point is 00:55:40 I'm not sure if people are gonna be sympathetic to you on that front. Like these people are just goons. They're goons. They are. It's, it's the most, it's, it's the most reactive, uh, statement from leadership that I can remember. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:55 How about being a little proactive? You know, I saw you, you reading that statement, it just screams to me. We're, we're going to react to where the audience has traditionally been. That's where we're going to deploy our resources. And yeah, sure. On a certain level, I get it if it's all about dollars and cents. But what I see kind of reading between the lines, there's no proactivity to try to bring audiences or to try to grow other weeks of the calendar. And again, like I know we're going
Starting point is 00:56:25 to talk LPGA a little bit too. We're just talking men's golf here. So imagine how bleak and dystopian and cynical the LPGA coverage gets, right? And what's going on on that side of the fence. It's horrible. TC, I'm with you. These people are awful. I feel like they're doing a disservice to the game of golf. And we can save some, we'll save some of this for the Sunday show. This was more of a teaser into that, but that's all to say that LPGA will not be live for the first three rounds on television this week. There'll be only on peacock and tape delay coverage. Yeah. And then, uh,
Starting point is 00:56:59 they threw up a Hail Mary and threw them on CNBC for the final round from three to five. Something urgent two hours of live coverage on CNBC this Sunday as Nellie goes for sixth consecutive victory. But we're just trying to grow the game, as Sam Flood said. And I'm sure they would love to have it on the television on one of his two clubs, but it's just not possible. Instead we're gonna watch the Regions tradition
Starting point is 00:57:24 in the Myrtle Beach tournament this weekend. And yeah, and also like, I like James Colgan. James, if you're going to be the media analyst or critic for golf.com, like you need to do a better job of asking tough questions about this stuff and not treating NBC with kid gloves. Like that was a pretty disappointing not treating NBC with kid gloves. Like that was a pretty disappointing use of your time. Well, it just, and I don't even know if that's James Fall or not, but I've read that. And I'm just like, man, there's just not a lot, like what am I taking away from that?
Starting point is 00:57:56 It just wasn't a lot of meat there. It's just PR statements, right? It's just, we've had a lot of credible sources that understand what's going on behind the scenes here and say like, you guys are spot on with this. You're spot on. Like there are budget cuts going. Like look at them in the middle of a fucking announcer. And Dave Chalosky's piece is spot on. Like it's not like this is fucking fake news, flood. Like this was probably one of the most well-sourced things possible. And you're hearing it from players, you're hearing it from current
Starting point is 00:58:25 and former employees of MEC Golf Channel, you're hearing it from people at the tour, you're hearing it from people at the PGA of America, the USGA. It's like nobody's making this stuff up and the product speaks for itself. It's ass. Have some pride. Taylor Guch among several live players that have been invited to the PGA championship. You're exactly right. It's a you're exactly right.
Starting point is 00:58:52 T.C. Patrick Reed, Dean Bermester, Lucas Herbert, Adrian Moran, David Pooj all invited. You guys surprised by this at all? It was a little weird that like Usazen played really, really well like last like end of last year and they just extended an invite to it. You know, now I think that and he's basically like, no, like I got prior commitments, I'm not going to play, which I don't know, I, I'm not surprised by it. I think it's, I think it's probably the right call overall. Maybe a little bit surprised by the breadth of it,
Starting point is 00:59:26 the number of guys. And I would say also, yeah, I'm not sure Gooch deserves it either. I don't think Gooch has had a great season on live yet. And for him to basically come out and say, no, I don't care about playing in the US Open. I'm not gonna try to qualify or the British Open. And I'm like, fuck you, man.
Starting point is 00:59:42 Yeah, he is his best finish in a major is T14 at the Masters, but at least of course, as has been pointed out by many, this will not have an asterisk on the PGA Championship. It is PGA, go ahead. No, sorry, I was just gonna say, I will say Taylor Guch and seeing how he plays, like I'm interested in that.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Totally. That's something that I look forward to seeing. You've swung me, Randy. I'm glad Guch is in the field. But it's also the PGA is the weakest of the four majors and needs a bit of an identity. And like with the players opening, it does have the best field in golf.
Starting point is 01:00:14 And embracing that and kind of going more off of, I'm not saying they use this, but going more off a data golf thing to fill out. They have a ton of invites that go out based on world rankings. Like filling out with the best players in the world. That's one thing. Now this is not I don't think this signals like a shift amongst it's not a shift away
Starting point is 01:00:32 from the OWG RPGA championship is part of you know, PGA of America is part of the OWG our board that comes up with the OWG our doesn't change masters invites doesn't change us open exemptions doesn't change British open is a one of one of like they've they've extended a lot of invites in the past. And I don't have a problem. It creates the you know, I don't want like the 150th ranked player on the PJ tour to get in just ahead of the live guys I
Starting point is 01:00:56 do think like live players are not playing in qualified events. I still strongly believe in that but that doesn't mean that they're not still very capable golfers and don't deserve the invite. So it makes for a better Tim Whiting from corn fairy tours. Yep. You know, I think that's a good exemption as well. But if all right, if he's in, then you should look to Asian tour and live for you know,
Starting point is 01:01:16 other guys that are playing well, I think, man, I want NBC to call the tours bluff on the on the OWG our stuff and basically say, All right, you know what the OWG is bullshit. We're gonna take this to court and try to get out of our tour contract. That'd be best for everybody. Right? Yeah, we all win. Yeah. They're gonna go ruin the NBA. They're gonna kill inside the NBA like that freaking sucks. We can talk about it another time. I think discovery time. I think they're
Starting point is 01:01:44 gonna I think Zazlov is gonna call the bluff there and I think they're gonna stay in the game with the NBA and I think NBC is gonna stay shut out there. On the announcement front, episode four of season nine of Tora Sauce is gonna air tonight on our YouTube channel 9 p.m. Eastern. We will be there live in the comment section again We hope to see everybody there also a bit of breaking news if you got your ESPN press release today We are gonna be back with an alt broadcast this year. We are making it to linear TV We will be on ESPN to for a PGA Championship watch on Thursday and Friday 1 p.m. Eastern to 3 p.m. Eastern
Starting point is 01:02:25 championship watch on Thursday and Friday 1pm Eastern to 3pm Eastern. It's exactly what it sounds like we're going to watch the golf and say the same dumb stuff that we say to each other. Just without the without the expletives without the expletives on linear TV. Especially on live TV. We've made that promise. Then we'll also be on 9am to 11am on Saturday and Sunday. That'll be on ESPN plus. I believe ESPN plus I believe
Starting point is 01:02:45 ESPN plus as well on the ESPN two days. It'll be simulcast. I believe on there so Double the action this year compared to last year, but we are pumped to be back We're working with Omaha productions on that and it's gonna be really fun we had a lot of fun doing it last year and I can't wait to do it again and then Tomorrow and Thursday and Friday do I have it right that Randy and Cody will be doing live coverage of the founders on ESPN Plus as well. What are you guys windows for that? We know Thursday tomorrow morning is going to be 10 30 ish Eastern. We're going to pick up the Nelly Corda back nine or opening round and then Friday
Starting point is 01:03:24 we don't know for sure yet. I don't know, Cody, maybe afternoon, but we can share that on socials. And then we have a specific LPGA podcast dropping late tonight, overnight into tomorrow. We have a wonderful conversation with Maya Stark and just some quick preview stuff with founders and also looking back at Wilshire. Wilshire. Wilshire. Wilshire. That's gonna do it for our happy hour show on this Wednesday.
Starting point is 01:03:52 I thought we were gonna talk live trade deadline. Thought that was what the show was about. No, no, no, no. TC, happy hour. Hour, five minutes long. I tried my best to move us along. We could not do it. Cody, thank you for running the ones and twos. Thank you to High Noon. Thank you to Roebuck.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Thank you to FanDuel. Thank you to Johnson Wagner for popping in out of the bullpen. We will see you tonight for Taurus Soss Premier. We'll be back live on Sunday to recap this past week in golf. Thanks to High Noon as well. So thanks everybody for tuning in. We'll see you then.

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