No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 841 - Bandon Dunes Review with Roger Steele and first timers Will Lowery and Doug Smith

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

After meeting up in person on a recent trip to Bandon Dunes, Soly catches up with Doug Smith (@TheDouglasFresh) and Will Lowery (@WillLoweryGolf) after their first trip to the resort as well as Roger Steele (@Roger_Steele) for his second appearance on the pod. We talk through our favorite shots, holes and courses from the recent trips plus the food, atmosphere and recent additions to the lineup of playing options. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Support our partners: Precision Pro Golf - Father's Day Sale - $30 off all rangefinders fanduel.com/nlu  Harry's Razors - https://www.harrys.com/nlu - get a trial set for just $3 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sala here got a really fun episode coming up shortly. Some friends of mine, Doug Smith, Will Lowry, Roger Steele, we met up at Band and they were in the group in front of us for a lot of our golf. And we've talked a lot about Band on this podcast, but getting to do

with a couple of guys that went out for there for the first time, some different voices on this pod, two of them, Will and Doug had never been on before. We had a blast, you know, shooting the shit at Pacific Dunes afterwards, just talking about the courses. I said, all right, let's pause it. Let's do it on the podcast when we get home. So we recorded this a couple of weeks ago. It's coming out now, but maybe a little different look on banding, but just high energy podcasts.

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It's a topic we've covered many times over the years, but, you know, met a couple of individuals out of Bandon this past week that I'm about to introduce you to. And within five minutes of talking to them in the clubhouse, it's like, all right, we got to get on the pod. We got to debate this stuff because a couple first timers that had not been there before. Listen, sometimes we get down some rabbit holes talking about bunkers and all this stuff that maybe people can't picture at home. So I want to talk to a few guys that, you know, had just experienced banding for the first time. First one up,

Doug Smith. He is up. It was impassioned talking about the 18th hole at Old Mac when I ran into him. So it's like, all right, we got, we got to turn the mics on Doug. Welcome to the show. Hey man. I appreciate y'all have me in here, man. I appreciate Roger Steele inviting us to have this whole experience where we bumped into you, Sully. So appreciate y'all. Absolutely. His cohost of his podcast, beyond the fairway, Will Lowry. If you don't recognize the name you should, and if you don't, those big break fans back in the day, remember him as of course the cross handed golfer.

You're never gonna outlive that. Will, thank you for joining us. Absolutely, man. I greatly appreciate you having me. And so we can just talk about golf. I mean, this is the time we're just talking about golf and all the holes that made Doug Matt. So I'm at.

Raj, I almost did you dirty on this one. I've seen, I follow you on Instagram. I see where you're at. And I was like, man, I don't even know if I want to try to get on Roger's schedule right now. He's everywhere at every moment. I was like, I think I could track down Doug and Will faster than I can Roger.

But here he is, Roger Steely's been on the show before, but welcome back. Hey, appreciate you, Silly, man. It wouldn't have been no hard feelings if you would have left me out of this one either, man. You know what I mean? Cause you know, man. It wouldn't have been no hard feelings if you would have left me out of this one either, man. You know what I mean? Because I think that my takes on Bandon are just very, very high level, supportive.

Bandon can do no wrong. There is no problems with Bandon. It is perfect golf. So I don't know how much I'm going to actually add to this to get controversy started, which I feel these two might have some controversial takes. But yeah, it is a pleasure to be here with y'all. Well, let's start with you, Doug. Off the top, what did you know about Bandin' coming in?

Did it meet the hype? What's your initial impression? When you walk out there, what's the first thing you saw that you were like, oh shit, okay, this is how this happened? I've had some time to debrief. So when I take that question, the first thing, my first learning, if you will, is I think your first time at Bandin' is going I think your first time at bandin' is gonna be your worst time at bandin'.

And I'm takin', y'all might have a better experience than me because you zip around the course, you play a couple courses real quick, you're tired, you're walking, you're tryin' to take it all in, you've got this backdrop that is majestic. Roger talked about the spiritual moments that we have comin' up over certain cliffs and rises.

So I will say, probably your first time at Bandit is going to be your worst time at Bandit. And that bleeds into old McDonald. You know, they say it had a farm. Well, it wasn't for me. I'm just be honest with you. It went, it went, it went, yeah, yeah, yeah, on his ass. I didn't play bad. Yeah, yeah, yo, on his ass. This is what happened. And I love that's how we're going to start out here. But no, I mean, that's what my biggest gripe is the 18th closing hole. And you've got this mound short right.

And we may or may not have received some advice that you could run one up off the right side of the fairway or where I was was way out near one. But anyway, besides the point. So you're coming from the wrong spot. Okay, interesting. It's not besides the point, first of all. Interesting. It's not beside, thank you, Roger.

It's not besides the point. Look, Chuck blocked the three wood off the 18 tee. That's fair. He had no shot to that green over the mound. And for the rest of the day, he would not stop complaining about 18, bro. Hey, Roger, you remember, you remember, he started complaining immediately

cause he's like, man, you look at his T-box, it's nestled down at a downhill slope. Downhill slope, downhill slope. It's downhill slope. So we never heard the end of 18 opening down off the whole trip. It was that bad. I could have got on 17 as well.

Hold on, hold on, the problem was, it started on 17 with Doug. I could have got on 17. well. Perfect. Hold on, hold on. The problem was it started on 17 with Doug. I could have got on 17. That's in part five, right? Yeah, Arkady gave him a bad line off the tee. He told him to play it over there to the right side. Doug found a bunker because he beat on one. And then he makes it, what you make a bogey on 17?

I know you was pissed off. Yeah, I feel attacked. Let me just say I feel attacked right now. I don't, I don't, I thought this was going to be a safe space. He's one kick block a three wood on 18 and he lets one bad tee shot. No, no. Turn into a tear down of what I think is one of the most beautiful. Of course.

He looks like. You know what? I don't see what you were saying about Old MacDonald. I don't see none of that. I don't see that. I don't see that. No, I still don't. And look, I've given it, Roger, I've given it.

First of all, this was my turn to go. You know, this is how this is gonna be. All right, we laying up today then. I don't know if you need me, I don't know if you guys need me here at all, but Roger, let me say, I don't know, Doug, that was a spot on impression, if I may say. Know what, Solly?

All right, I'm gonna let y'all take that. You know, all right, I see how this is gonna be today. Hey, Doug, hey, Doug, let me tell you. When he drop kicked the block off the three wood off the 18th. You're making it sound way worse than it was. Hold on, hold on. Hey, that's when the green was terrible. We ain't even seen the green yet.

I was like, damn, man, this hole's already bad. Okay, fine, fine, Will. I went back through the footage. I actually saw you in the same spot where I was and too, you were right next to me. You thought that was a well-designed little mound in front of the right side of that green one, front right hole location.

Can't tell me it was. But we were on the wrong side of the fairway, bro. That's right. Exactly. Let's work backwards on this because this place is magical for many different experiences. But for me, I'm an architecture nut. I'm a strategy nut, right?

So this would tell you like, hey, if you miss the wrong spot, all of a sudden this mound is in your way, right? Like this is a problem here. If you're in the right spot, you can come up. I love golf courses that work backwards through that and you know, develop some emotion with it right away too many golf courses, you can blow it way over there, blow it way over there. I'm like, it's just too penal, like you don't have the opportunity to recover. At least this is like, I kind of did this to myself here. I can still get it near the green. But this

mound here is causing me a lot of problems. Absolutely. You know what, I did do it to myself. Look, did I have 245 yards in the 18? Yes, I did have 245. Did I ask when we was with if I could just run one up? He's like, yeah, aim 15 feet right. And I hit this little smoked three iron as low as possible, trying to run it up. Never even said there was a mound right. Matter of fact, he told me take it right at the flag.

So I'm a little upset. So it was a, I still don't like the design. The hole's fine, but the design, the mound front right, I don't appreciate it. I do say that hole is a bit tricky because coming off the tee, without having to block the three wood, drop kick it, it is a little weird on the depth of the eyes, right?

Am I gonna run into the bunker? Is a three wood right play? Because that three was lengthy because we all hit three wood because we're scared. And the bunkers are staggered. You got the bunker coming off the right and then the one through on the left. Yeah.

And you know what? Like Tom Doak and Jim Urbina that designed this golf course would be are smiling right now listening to this. That's exactly what they would want. They would want you to say like, the depth is kind of messing my up my eye right here. That's exactly what they would get a huge thrill out of that one. But what I mean, overall avoiding 18 and you know, the awful downhill T-slope that made you chunk hook that or toe, whatever you want to call that. That's right. I said it before it happened. Don't worry about it. But let's start from the beginning of that golf course though. It hits pretty damn hard.

That first hole, second hole, third hole, you crest over that hill. Some people struggle with old McDonald's. Some people don't like it. You know, they're three putting too much greens, too big, blah, blah, blah. What's what? Roger, I'm gonna throw it to you. What's what's your old McDonald? How do you how do you rate that one? Bro, to me, old McDonald is like, you know, the whole mantra about band and

is, you know, golf as it was meant to be, right? And so I think that old McDonald feels like the first golf course that was saying feels like the first golf course that was built that they got right. That's what it feels like to me. And I just think that there's something that's so beautiful about looking at Old MacDonald. Once you come over, once you go past the ghost tree and you're able to see the entirety of the property pretty much. And you're able to see all these people and all these different golf experiences. It really looks like a field that they figured out how to route properly to turn into this like beautiful golf experience. And I just think that like going into Ben and I've been there four times, I love opening up my trip with Old MacDonald because I feel like it

puts your head in the right space as far as what the experience is intended to be. You know what I mean? And I just, it's like, it's a very communal experience. It's a very like original and authentic experience. And so I just, I love that course, man. That course has no wrong to me. And for the record, Sully, I've got no gripes with the front nine at Old Mac. I think the front nine at Old Mac's

some of the purest golf you'll play. Matter of fact, I'll take it as far as to go through the first 13 holes. The rest of the 13, that's me. So for me, I said this to 13, eh. That's me. For me, I, but you know what? I said this to you, Rod, don't be surprised.

Bro, you gonna throw out 14, 15, 16? Yeah. Yeah, 14, 15. I didn't say they weren't amazing. 16, I'll get, 16, I got some, the mound coming in off the left on 16. When you got your ass out there. Who put that there? No, no, the hole ain't the hole.

I respect the hole, no, I respect the hole. That's the hole putting the hole. I made a beautiful double. I made a phenomenal double there. What are you talking about? Oh class, first team All-American double bogey right there. A useful double. Oh bro. Doug in a bad shot. He's like, why would they put the fucking pin on the pin?

You got the, you got the, you got the. You got the tail way in the- You got the- In front of the green, in front of the tea box, man. And Doug is like, you got the damn sheep. I hear sheep in the background, a couple miles away. Like, God, like, I mean, who put the mountain there? Like, it's just so bad. I feel ganged up on.

I still feel attacked. No, we should have mixed up our groups and staggered this cuz that'd been really fun to go through that. It's like, all right, if we go back to that tee shot, they would tell you, all right, if you risk going in the bunkers down the right side, that's the challenge. If you keep it right, you're gonna have a clean look at the green. If not, you can play left, but you're gonna have a blind, that's the kind of stuff that like, again, I've been five times now, I get to kind of add some layers of appreciation. Cuz I've definitely walked off holes in the band and been like, dude, I don't five times now I get to kind of add some layers of appreciation because I've definitely walked off holes have been like, dude, I

don't ever want to play that one again. Then it's like, Oh, in this wind now. Okay. Well now this makes sense. Like, Oh, I did that to myself. I'm the one that hit the three wood way offline and had two 45. Anyways, we're not going to let you live that one down, Doug, but, um, it's fine.

That's fine. I'll take it. So Roger, to your point. So this is the first time I played old Mac, but now they have Poe Anna greens, which have Poana Greens, which they used to have the Fescue Greens that were kind of sandy. And that felt always felt disconnected to me. Like now the Poana Greens, like the connection to the rest of the golf courses at Banded and like they look better. Like the slopes just look a little better more. Yeah. And they were pure. I mean, that was, that was a major upgrade. Yeah, that was a major upgrade to Old Mac.

I've always ranked it fifth for me, which sounds like I don't like it, but it's one of my favorite golf courses. It's just that the golf offering is that freaking strong at band. And I would say it's fifth, but if I had 10 rounds to divide up between the five courses, I'd play two on all of them. Like that kind of defines the whole band and experience for me. But that front nine, Roger, we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll give you a chance to share your opinion there. But that front nine, oh, Roger, we can get, we'll get there, we'll get there.

We'll give you a chance to share your opinion there. But the front nine is so good. I mean, it really is. That 10, 11, 12 is where it loses me a little bit. Like that, I think they could reshape those greens. They probably would love to do that. Just soften that blow a little bit because it gets pretty extreme in that part of the property

and whatnot, but it's a polarizing course. For some people, it's their favorite. What hole is the road hole? 11. 11. 11. I liked 11. The green was diabolical, but 11 was cold.

Yeah, that was pretty solid. I'm pivoting a little bit, but coming off that, the second hole, walking the third hole, coming off the hill, and you see the whole property there, that right there, I think that's the essence of abandoned dunes, if you ask me. That's something I'll always remember. And that climb up to seven, I swear it gets better every time you go back. Like you just forget how steep that climb is,

how cool that greenside is up there. Similar to you, Doug, I got to the fourth hole, we had a little wind into us, that's the hogsback. So for those that haven't seen it, like it's a long par four, and you got this ridge that runs kind of diagonally through it and then the front left side is closer to you than the front, you know, the right side of it. And I got a ball moving left to right and it was just like, I was like, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. And it climbed all the way up to the top of that ridge and fell all the way backwards into the

bunker. And I started cursing the course. I was like, that's stupid. That's stupid hogs back. And then like, as soon as I walked off the team was like, dude, you just got owned, like you knew exactly what the shot was asking there. It's not stupid. That's the design. You got caught, you got your hand caught. And you got the punishment. You got to live with it right now. That's like, you got to have that balance, right? abandoned. Sometimes you just get like these instances

where you get in these horrible spots. You're like, dude, I wanna be mad at the chorus but you did this to yourself here. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Hey, I will say playing band in the way it's designed makes it way more pleasurable, dog. Way more pleasant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But what makes it even crazier is that, and I guess it's really, it can show up in all the properties, but Pacific Dunes and Old MacDonald, if there is a lot of wind, that course plays completely different. It's not almost like you're not playing the same course. I actually hated packed dunes for a long time because every time I played it, it was an afternoon round and it was gusting 40. When you catch Pacific dunes with high winds, it turned into a different kind of monster, man. Especially four, oh my God. Four into the teeth

of the wind is like, man, that's one of the hardest holes I played. But it seemed like they cleared out a lot of the grass over there to the left. If you go over the bunkers, over the left. So they made it a bit more fair on the approach if you just bail out way left. But it's unlike Will Lowry, Roger. Snap hook one off the. Yeah, my boy, my boy Will stepped up to four inspired. What happened here?

Keep in mind, Will hits a very straight ball. Like Will ball don't curve a whole lot. You know what I mean? And so when he sat up to this tee shot, I don't know. Like it looked like a little bit kamikaze-ish or something. I don't really know what was going through his mind, but he took a very aggressive alignment down the right side. And I'm like, I'm confident that this start line is off the property. Like I'm confident the start line is off the property.

And it was just like, he was looking into the eyes of Medusa, man, and he just blasted me with like a one yard draw. And I just never had a chance. I'm like, man, the ocean, like, hey, when people see that ocean, they do some weird stuff. with like a one yard draw and I just never had a chance. I'm like man, the ocean, like, hey, when people see that ocean, they do some weird stuff. It's the weird stuff, dog. I got caught.

When they get that first little look at that water, people get weird, man. I like it. You know, and I didn't care if I hit my ball in the water. I just wanted, if I could get that thing over there, if I can get it drawn over the whale and coming back to right fairway, I was, I was going to do it. I've gone over that clip and the hardest part to realize is like, literally the

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is based in what you said there about the wind, right? And I think it's a really penal golf course, right? The thrills are really high, really, really high. I mean, it's some of the coolest land ever to play golf on. It's probably the most picturesque course, some really thrilling shots and holes. And I just, I struggle with it just a little bit because to me, I like golf courses that are really challenging for a low handicap player. I'm like a scratch player.

Like it's challenging, thought provoking for me yet amid to high handicapper, you know, is going to find their ball going to have a good time and like it brings us closer together, right? I don't, you know, nobody likes to see your buddy like struggle and shoot 95 and get penalized out there. And I feel like pack goes the opposite directions. Like as a, as a lower cap player, I feel like pack is on the easy side for me.

Like it, you know, a lot of the things that are really going punish you, two, three, four shots, the good player isn't gonna hit it in necessarily. And so it falls a bit in my rankings despite, like a lot of people have it number one. I'm curious like where you guys have Pac slotting out, Doug. Well, let me preface this. I didn't get to play two courses. Didn't play band and didn't play shorties on this trip.

So we just got to play the other three courses. Sheep. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She we didn't put we didn't play sheep or dunes. That's what we didn't play. From what I played of the three, it's second to me. I like to your point.

I felt like like one, for example, that's a position play. I want to say like sevens a position play and sorry if I'm getting the numbers. Six short for you. Yeah, exactly. So it's like you're really having to kind of plot around and I don't enjoy that. I want to hit the driver. I want to be rewarded for good drives or penalized for bad drives. I understand the place to play a little, you know, position off the tee, but you're so hyped to be out there, play Oceanside, win beauty.

I agree with you on that statement. Yeah, I'm a huge component of, I don't drive the ball as long as these guys right here. These guys are, they're bombers. You can build Walmart's between their ball and mine. I think one shot had a text dug like, yo, I'm coming up. And so I'm all about high percentage shots. Again, if I can take a two iron trusty three wood

and place it, and that's kind of weird. This is more my speed. But again, those winds kick up at Pacific dunes. That's a different course. You can't really, yeah, you can't casually walk into these shots and thinking it's gonna be rudimentary. And I also think that it's just a rude awakening when you stack up up because the last times

that I've been there is gone, I've gone old Mac and then packed dunes. And like when you come off of, you know, old Mac where you could literally blast the ball anywhere and then you come to Pacific dunes where it's, you know, you got a couple of holes. Like, I mean, the tee shot at 18 is like, wow, on Pacific dunes to me.

That part five, like just how you have to thread that, like I'm hitting a fade around there. I'm trying to like hug the left side and drop one in there and try to make something happen. Came up short, ended up in that bunker on the left. But it was just like, there's some very, very daunting tee shots out there on Pacific Dunes that I feel like when that wind kicks up and then after you had this very tranquil experience at Old Mac, cause you were out there in the morning, it's like, yo, why the, like, why am I getting

fucking domestically abused right now? You know what I mean? Like what is, what are y'all doing here? You know what I'm saying? And this, so I've had, I've had some of my, like that was the first time I went out, the first time I went out there, that was the first time that I saw a profile shot,

a profile view of a ball trajectory with a 40 mile power win in the face. And I saw the ball reach its apex and come back. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that this was a thing, bro. And that course is showing me like, it's showing me some ugly things about playing golf in the wrong conditions. Yeah. If you were fast enough, you probably could have caught it the way that ball takes

it. I'm serious, man. Seriously. I've seen some weird things, but I do think that around the middle of the course, I want to say around nine, it starts to open up a bit. It seems like they try to want to give you a few shots back. But yeah, and then I think that, you know, like that, but that closing hole is just like, let me kick you in your mouth one more time. And that's where like it's the number one public golf course

in America, right? And so you're kind of holding it. My critiques of the course are up against that, right? I mean, is it like one of the thrilling, most thrilling golf courses in the world to play 100%? It's an awesome walk and like our buddy Poush who was on the trip with us like he's a Pack Dunes fanatic and like we you know we debated all the time and like eventually by the end of the trip we're kind of like okay we just kind of like different things here. He loves the found nature of the golf holes. He loves the walks between the holes are really well designed. He loves

you know that it's not overly, you know, shaped and manufactured. It's a lot more natural and kind of almost just discovered golf holes. Like, hey, I can't really argue with any of that. Whereas I know you all think it's by band on this trip, but banding to me is like the proper chess match of, you know, taking on risk. And it's got just a little bit more width at times for when you get those crazy windy days. It's hard, but like it's possible. You can do something with it. Whereas man, there's times out there pack feels quite impossible. Some of those shots and yeah.

Okay. Well, okay. Solly, Roger, here's a question I want to know. This is Doug and I didn't get to play the other two sheep and dunes. If you had to go, what's your handicap Solly? Where you at? I'm at plus one right now. and dunes, if you had to go, what's your handicap, Soly? Where you at? You got stretch? Plus one right now. Plus one. All right, if you had to go shoot three under par somewhere

with your life dependent on it, what hole would you go to? I mean, what course would you go to? Like I can rely on this course, but at least 20 mile per hour win, where would you go? Probably sheep for me. It's got short fives, it's got a bunch of fives. I think it's got five par fives, if I remember right. And it's the most friendly, it's easy.

It's, and sheep is like, I almost put sheep in a different category. I mean, it is, it's an incredible experience out on that cliff. The views are even better than the rest of them. There's some thrilling, thrilling shots. Whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Sheep is better than the views on trails?

Roger, you agree with that? Well, I mean, ocean views though. Ocean views. Oh, ocean views, okay, okay. I mean, like, you've got 16 holes that are like have ocean views on this golf course. I mean, the way it goes out on this point, I mean, it's thrilling.

It's not like the best golf course. Like I think it, you know, it's a little hemmed in in that in that part of the land. But, you know, especially for a high handicapper, that's the easily the most friendly course. And it's still very fun for low handicapper. So it's hard. I've had sheep above pack in my rankings, and I catch some flak for that. But it's just like, if I had to pick between band and Pacific, I'd pick band and then it's like, if I want something different, you go over to Sheep. And it's like, we caught it at 7 a.m. Summer morning was the only, the first time I played it.

And it's like, dude, try to have a bad time on that place. Like the sun rising, wind down. That scenery is like, it is a spiritual hit out there. Rodger, what's your answer? It's a fun track, but I'm actually going to put sheep at the bottom of my list. For to go low on? Oh no, as far as going low, yeah. That's at the top of the go low list.

I would say sheep, then I would say, I would probably say 20 mile power win. I would say sheep then old Mac, as far as ones you could count on, you know, being able to get around pretty easily. You know what I mean? But I do think that Bandin is more fair than Pacific Dunes. I think that like with Bandin, you could kind of pick your poison as far as like how aggressive you want to get.

Like, you know, obviously the deeper you put it down there, there's holes that start to pinch in a bit. You know what I mean? If you really want to try to test it, but you could always play back to a comfortable distance and you know, you have reasonable approaches in and good amount of room for you to land drive. So, but yeah, I think they're like,

she first, O-Max second as far as ones, if I needed to post something under par, I could probably get it done out there the easiest. Again, you guys didn't get to play Bandon, but I just love the way Bandon works its way to the coast and doesn't, in several different ways, it like goes at it, right? Which is just, I always think hitting the shots

at the ocean is more thrilling than hitting it at the side, right? And it leaves you with some more real estate to have another hole that runs, you know, alongside it, right? You get like four and 13, take up a lot of real estate on the coast at Pacific dunes, whereas band in like the fourth hole, it like bends to the right and

doglegs and you hit this shot right at the ocean. Awesome contour green with a little pop bunker kind of short left with the wind is usually coming off the right and the pin back left. It's like, that's like my favorite shot maybe to hit a golf at your aiming away from the pin and try to ride the wind in at the ocean like it's sick and then you play along the ocean on five and you come back on 12 and you have this par three that's right at the ocean again kind of similar little bunker here with a big mound to the right and then you work your

way back and then you come back to the down 16 like it not a lot of lit up Sully you just lit straight up talking about that. I love this place man. But Banda get it right man man. Then it gets it right. Like as far as like whole interactions, like I mean, ocean interactions, like Sally Sam banding, like banding gets it right.

I mean, but when you think about when you think about the trails, like you asked an experience in itself, you're going through, you start out in these dunes. Then you go into this, this beautiful forest, like you know, hold of the world. Then you come back to the dunes. It's like, what did I just come out of? I just went through a matrix.

Routing on trails is crazy, bro. Like that's the fact that you could build a course that has no ocean interaction and like have it be in the conversation where all of these other properties is like, I mean, all these other courses is, I mean, that is special. That's a special, special, special.

I struggled like, because I just wondered, is it like the girl that's cute because she different? You know what I mean? Do I hold her in such high regard because she, you know what I mean? She got something different going on, you know what I mean? I don't know, Salih.

You never had to fear it. It's like a six with a truss bond. Hey, Salih, you ever gone to a party with a bunch of black dudes before and then all the girls hit on you because you the only white guy there? You ever had that before? So many times, Roger, you wouldn't believe it.

So many times. That's my trails experience. I'm like, man, do I like you because you different? What's up? Why am I scared? It's definitely like your mother-in-law driving a Cliffy brand new car. It's like, I kind of like it, I don't know.

But that's where like, to me, it just again, you could why you can talk about Bannon for like a 10th time on a podcast is like, it's such a different offering, right? Like you have these two ocean courses, and they say, no, we're going back into the woods. And you would expect to be underwhelmed. Like you would expect like, this is kind of what I'm here for. And then you play this golf course. And you know, the first hole is kind of whatever. And then 18 is kind of whatever.

Yeah, they don't really match. But then it's like literally in between, it's like, dude, try to find the worst hole between two and 17. I tried to do this the other day. Like, my vote would be 14. And that might be some people's favorite hole on Bayonet trails.

The short drivable four. No, I love that hole. Yeah, see, exactly. Exactly. Bro, but don't you think that it's kind of like a dope, just a deviation from the banding experience to start off with one and two where it feels very doomsy and you kind of got still to link to vibes.

And it's like, let me take you, let me properly transition you into a different world. I really thought it was about to be goofy. When I saw that first hole at trail, I said, oh, this is about to be a goofy course. Cool, I'm just going to ride the wave, but give Rodgers credit. He was like, hey, you better go on experience. Just have your camera ready.

And I was like, this number one hole ain't doing it for me. I'm cool, I can put the camera in my bag. But still you- The one hole ain't doing it for me. I'm cool. I can put the camera in my bag. But still you- The birdie on two made it great for me. So I'll take that. You said the birdie on two? Yeah.

Was it the part three? All right, Doug did have good holes outside of 18. So I was just saying, so we don't like 18 and old Mac, but we like two. But I see the thing. Hey, Sully, it's almost to the point, me and Roger was praying that Doug get birdies. Like, please guys, so we can like the whole, so we can like the whole course.

Like, I made, hold on real quick. 11, 11, I made the most, another beautiful art, artistic double that I will always, that hole is awesome. That's probably my favorite hole in Oregon. 11, yes. And that was in the rain into the T. In the rain into 30. Y'all were probably like 11 or something when we saw you there. The only one with the water.

The pond to the right, the big dogleg to the right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dogleg right, yeah. Big meaty par four, yes. I made double solid on that and I was like this, that's a golf hole. Like that's a real, that's a real, I had driver four iron into the water. And I was just like, yeah.

And the thing about it though, think about it, that course, when the wind is up, rain is going sideways. I mean, that course keep hitting you in the mouth. Cause after 11, you got the part, the long part 312 that we all had a little green bit on. Is it part four? It started to rain, right? So everybody's trying to figure out

they rain grip glove situation on 12T. Everybody tried to hit punch cut three wood hybrid or whatever into the green, everybody double crossed it. Well, mine was still alive. Mine was still alive. You didn't know it though, but you didn't it at the time. I didn't know it. I didn't know it this time. And then we made that gentleman's agreement like, hey, man, come on. This is not right. It never happened. Run that back. Run that back. I didn't see, we turned to Ray Charles real quick.

I didn't see anything. That little part, 12, 13, that little section is like my favorite spot. Maybe my favorite spot is the one that I was in. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night.

I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the night. I was in the middle of the quick. I didn't see anything. That little part 12, 13, that little section is like my favorite spot. Maybe my favorite spot abandoned and it's just back in the forest there. And it just feels like you're in like southern London area almost in terms of like the Heathland Gulf and that whole connection. We'll take your word for that. You got to get as another place you got to get that's it. You

know, it it it inspires you a little bit to get out there and see some stuff. It's incredible. But it's a very tasteful flex right there. It was one of these. So how often do you go to a band? I've managed to make it every two once every two years. Yeah, yeah, it's Yeah, so I made it in 1820 22 and 24. Now. Yeah, that and then I went with my dad for the first time back in like 2013, which the time I was there in 2013, they had like a literal mosquito infestation. So if like a lot of people are on social media right now, blowing up bandit about

the greens not being good and all this cancel your trip and all this like I went and there was a mosquito infestation like trails was closed. They wouldn't let us play trails because how many mosquitoes there were. I mean, you're standing over shots, you're spitting mosquitoes out of your mouth. They're stinging me. They stung me 76 times on my arm, 76 times on my arm through sleeves. That's how many mosquitoes there were. And I came home and told my buddies like, that was the best golf trip I've ever been on. Like this place is magic. I didn't even care that I had

mosquitoes crawling on my face. It's that cool. It really is. So I love it. I'm glad you survived at West Nile, bro. Oh, it would have been a sad way to go. All of that. It was tough. It was tough.

But sorry, so Raj, 14th hole at Bandon Trails. You are pro 14 at Bandon Trails. Pro 14. OK. I guess that's the place where the route can get a little kooky. You got to take the little cart up the hill and stuff like that. But I do think that that little reveal, I mean, that's the highest point on the course, right? That reveal is just amazing. You get to stop, you walk up the

hill and they reward you with this view and then you kind of just get to work your way down and around. That's like the place on the property where you could kind of see the most of where you've been. And I really appreciate, you know, I guess I appreciate going up to that hole just because how at that point, it's like you get to take in the experience a bit before you finish it out. Did you guys go up and go see the sign? Like you go up and go right in the black? Yeah. Yeah. So I got that. I got that as one of my favorite holes on all the courses. Right. I love that. That's that's and they that's what Bill hears. Yeah. He's he hears that he gets 50% hate and 50% say it's a green is quirky though, bro. It's like you are definitely not

rewarded for getting close. No, you know, so it's it's like driving. I think I mean, y'all made birdie on that hole. You know, we all be driving down there. We, you know, so it's, it's like drive it. I think, I mean, y'all made birdie on that hole. You know, we all be driver down there and we were, you know, green high pretty much. And, but yeah, I found that a, I find that green very, very unnecessarily challenging. Yeah, I think it's too tilted, but I love the hole. It's too narrow to be that elevated I feel.

But it's it's I could just turn it to a better golf. I won't have these these complaints. And that's that's the almost all the time Bill Core and Ben Crutcher are going to give you some kind of off ramp of like, all right, if you're not that good, like, here's your way in like you can do this one. And that's the one hole there's like nope, you everybody's got to go through this toll right here. This exact one. All right, you're gonna be a lot of guys

picking up on this one. You know, I did my critique of it is kind of like, there's not a ton of strategy to it. Like, you know, if you if there's my favorite short fours are like, if you lay back, here's how you can benefit from this, right? Here's the you have a full shot, you can spin it. There's no like flat place to play to down there. It's natural. Like, you know, that'd be pretty manufactured in that part. But, you know, sometimes you play that whole it's a thrill. Sometimes it's just like flat place to play to down there. It's natural. Like, you know, that'd be pretty manufactured in that part. But you know, sometimes you play that hole.

It's a thrill. Sometimes it's just like, dude, I'll give me my six and I'll just move on. You know, and some people like that. I don't think it fits the rest of the course. Some people like that. I, it's not my favorite, but you know, it's to each their own. That's what makes it great.

Yeah. Official vote thumbs up, thumbs down from Doug and Will on the 14th hole. I'll ask anybody this question. Thumbs up. Thumbs up for me. All right. Thumbs up.

Okay. No, I'm good. I like 14. I think when you come off, you get your ass kicked on the par three, then you play this. I think, what is it? 13. I think that's a very quirky little hole. I think it's good.

But you have to play it a couple of times times I didn't know how far left you can be So I took one down the right and I hit it and I try to I thought I should lay back And then I had like six iron in there because the depth just completely tricked me and then I got lazy I didn't want to walk back to my but the way that that a coach is playing on 13, bro It's just like oh my god, which was 13 After the long part three, where we all made it. Oh, the part five. Part four going down the hill.

Oh, gotcha. It might have felt like a part five to you, Will. Hey, really? Hey. All the, hey, them part threes were like part fours, the part fours were like part five, five's like sixes. Yeah, it was long course to me. Will, you ducked that one in the fairway.

I had you laughing, bro. I was like, Oh man, ain't no way. Hey, you duffed that one in the fairway. I had you laughing, bro. I was like, oh, man, ain't no way. And you have to know. I appreciate you putting my shit out there that I duffed in the fairway. I appreciate that, right? That was nice little description. We were getting kind of competitive in the match

at this point, Sal and the little NASA. And Will saw me take a relief from a sprinkler head while he was addressing his ball. He like, hey, Sal, what the hell you doing over there? I'm like, I'm taking relief, what you heard? Like, stop, I see you over there kicking shit, man. What you doing? What you doing?

What you doing? No, he had hockey motion, he had the kicking. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? And I was like, you know what? I'm not worried about him. You know, what happened? Will was so wrapped up in me playing football over there, man. He was about 10 yards in front of him.

I was like, oh yeah, I'm in his head, dog. There's maybe no better place if you get some people that are like into a match, like into the competitive part, than to go play a bunch of courses. And like we had two on two the whole week and it was one of the most fun matches I've had spanning several days, just because everybody was into

we're playing for anything. It was just like you just did not want to lose. But thing about it though is it's hard to keep and maintain the spirit of competition when you see those views, right? Because because typically, typically, how I work, how I work when it comes to competition, I don't really want to talk to my playing opponent. But then I'm like, I'm not talking to them. But damn it. can you film this for me, bro? Can you get this for me, dawg, please? So it's like, it kind of, it was an uphill battle, like trying to maintain the spirit of competition, but you know,

the place- Doug had no problem with that. He showed. But it goes to a point though, the first time at band is probably the worst time. Like, you don't know lines, you have to completely trust the caddy that may not know like your skill level. So we all know what it's like to be under caddyed for. And it's like, bro, you giving me the 14 handicap line.

Like I hit it farther than that. What do I have to guard against? And like then you're kind of at the, we had a good, or they had a good K. I didn't pay for the advice that I was receiving. So I can't really hate on the caddy experience. That's a new one. Blaming a caddy that's not even yours is a new one. I appreciate that. No, I was listening to the advice that he was giving Roger. You know what I'm saying? He's telling Roger where to go. And I'm like, well, I'm gonna put it like this, on that 18th hole at Old McDonald, I had to tip the can a little extra for his advice that he gave Doug.

I gotta know, is there footage of your ball on four, Will, at Pac Doons, the one that's out over the ocean? Do we have footage of that one? Oh, I think it's in Roger's ball. Roger's ball. No, Roger, no he didn't. I'm gonna put a chop tr tracer on it matter of fact. Roger deleted that thing. No, it needs to be deleted.

I didn't sign consent to do that. That was a beautiful death right there. Wake up. Come on. Jesus. That's a way to go. If you're gonna go, that's a beautiful way to go. He started out toward Tokyo and try to bring it back. All right. Stick around to the end of this. And I'm going to tell you how you can get a great shaving kit for $3.

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So my thing with 14 back to that is like it rolls into one of my probably my favorite hole at Bannon trails, which is 15 that hole with the cross. It's got a cross. It's par four. It's got a cross bunker in there that kind of makes you say like, yeah, you can't just pound driver down here. If you want to take on farther, you can you can go over there. But you know, over the bunker if you want to in a little narrow spot, but it's you know, maybe not worth the risk. But if you want to be more impressive with your you

know aggressive with your layup, you got to go far up down the left and then you get a clean look at this beautiful green site, the fourth green. If you remember that after the par five this is the fourth green the hogs back that runs down the middle and you crest that hill and the way I can't even describe like the way that green sits and the way the 15th green sit like in these little ridges is like what first thing I think of when I think of banded trails and like the thing that that always gets me too is like the little details they get right of like I don't know if you guys

notice this like first time around like the the walks in between holes did you notice that they're like trail heads and like there's there's it's like a literal trail walk like there's mulch and stuff laid down in there for like this is is trails, like this is literally kind of how it's doing and how Bill core, he follows deer trails, like he like in his scouting, he finds where the deer the deer walk for the easiest way to navigate the land and incorporates that into his routing is kind of like, ah, but

but even there's options in that camera. Well, I think was the whole that where I've dumped it on. Thanks to Roger the world knows that that gave you options of what trail you want to take going up the hill, right? Cause there's one you go left. Go right, right? Yeah. I wanted to take this deeper.

Cause I love the fact that I was at 8,000 calories before noon. That thing felt so good. So I was trying to burn all the calories I can burn. Yeah. Well, you can't remember this hole because this is the hole he's talking about after the, or was it 15 we're talking about? That's the one where I hit in the bunker

and then bladed it to the back of the green that made the putt down. Yeah, it made it burn. Yeah, it made it burn, yeah. So I remember that bullshit. Yeah, see, that's that. If you remind Will in bullshit, he'll remember it. So, you know.

Slop. So what you know, slap. So what's your guys like? What's your rain golf? You know, a lot of people have questions about banning weather. What's a good time of year to go? Whatever, this is the third time I've been in spring. First time I've gotten rained on.

First time in five trips to ban that I've actually gotten rained on. I think banning gets a bad rep for weather. And maybe I've just been lucky, but I think it gets a worse rep. You know, what's the worst weather you'd play in? What's the worst weather you had on the trip and did it approach the level of not wanting to play?

We gotta give this to Roger. Yeah, that's all. Have I ever had an experience at Bandon where it was worth walking off the course on? That's yeah, sure, you can phrase it that way. Okay, I did come underprepared. After y'all left, we played Old Mac one more time. I walked off after 13. Did you have rain gear?

Did I see that? Did you have rain gear? Bro, I thought that this underarmor jacket that I had on was rain proof. I found out by the fourth hole that it wasn't. Oh no. And then by 12, I was just like, man, dog, it's on my skin, bro.

You'll catch a fever. We out here naked, man. I can't, you know, I walked in. But I mean, I will say, I have had some pretty torrential downpours. And the thing about then and whether is that it doesn't necessarily have to be in the forecast, which is kind of tricky, right?

Cause- Trails. A down trail. It was like, bro, it's supposed to be perfect outside. Yeah. Yeah. which is kind of tricky, right? Cause trails, trails. It was like, bro, it's supposed to be perfect outside. Yeah. You know, so I just think that is, you have to go to band and prepared for anything, but it's not necessarily that, you know, the case that you always get the worst,

but I've had, I've played in the worst weather that I've ever played golf in at band on trails. And that was the first time I went up there. So did that, so obviously that didn't discourage you like, I'm never coming back again. Oh, hell no. No, it was, I mean, you know, you, you surrender to the elements. Hopefully you prepared. You got rain gloves, you know, rain jackets, stuff like that. But it's like, you, you don't turn that down. Like you don't turn that down. That's the thing is like, I've like, this trip was the worst weather I've had on there. I was like, I would got to back tomorrow, right? Like if that's still had a total blast, right?

It was, you know, some of the greens were not in great shape and it was kind of like, Oh, just keep going. Like it's still the most fun. And there's just, and that's the thing too, is there's just so much depth there now that used to be when I would go, I'd be like, if I don't play 36 a day, like I'm missing out on something, but now you have some of these off ramps too, that are like 18 is not quite enough. I'm like, you want to do some other things out there. The addition of shorties and again, Will and

Doug, this is your first time being there. But it's kind of like, I always have my perfect day is 18 somewhere and then you know, 13 holes at Preserve part three course takes an hour a little bit more some drinks just relaxing round hit all the approach shots. It's so fun. But it was hard to get tea time at Preserve like it was so jam like literally, everybody from every course wants to either start their day there or finish their day there. Now a second offering, 19 holes Shorty's part three course.

Will, what was your reaction to seeing that one? I mean, you know what? Uh, that was another course that kicked my ass. Oh man, that thing, I just, the undulations, a little here and there, I'm thinking, oh, there's a little Rinky Dink part three, we gonna be cool, I can get my birdies in. Nah, I didn't, I wasn't on the right side

of any birdie attempt. Like it was either birdie or baloney. It was bad. So it was, from an aesthetic standpoint, I mean, it was obviously beautiful. You got a chance to really kind of go through your whole set in a par three world, which is, you don't always see that. You just need probably a wedge, maybe a size eight iron.

Man, I'm, I mean, again, I'm not long. I hit a six iron on one of these holes, but yes. Yes, I was out there grinding. But you know what was crazy though? Remember that, what was that little 40 yard little flip wedge you had to hit? It don't matter. It was like six or seven. Yeah, anyway, next question, Sali.

Next question. Sali, I got footage of that too. I was going to ask that, please. We'll play it on the video part of this. Where? Oh oh that's cool dirty bird this is shot good. Hey, it looked good up there. He really got you an asshole from coming here.

I got something to. Tracer on it. Oh man. I got a Roger. I got the opposite angles. Remember I ran to the green so we could get the approach. We got that's a two shot. Oh man.

You know, in the in the words in the words of Doug Smith, I feel like I'm being attacked right now. Hey, but Sully, you know one thing though, golf aside that we haven't mentioned, after you get to banding, like the hospitality and the people, I think that's also needs to be factored into the time that you have, because I can't tell you the last time, like the hospitality has been like five star quality

at a golf situation that I've been around. The people were phenomenal. And there's a huge difference in like good hospitality and like kissing your ass, right? Like you'd go to summer resorts and everybody just like, you know, just feel like, all right, this guy wants money from me for this. And like they want to see.

Sea Island, I'll say Sea Island. Sea Island's over the top. Like it's acting. Yeah, it's acting versus genuine. Like, I just want you to have a good time. I want you to go home and tell your buddies very similar St. Andrews over in Scotland would be my comp of just like dude, no one's out to get you they just want you to have a good time.

They want you to love your trip here and hopefully come back someday and tell your friends about it and yeah. I know this and Roger and I we ramped and raved about it because we didn't get a chance to really enjoy it because we didn't get a chance to really enjoy it because we were pressed for our next tea time. But the sushi and trails. Bro, me and Roger was so upset that we only got one roll. It was like, how can we get back over there? And we said, ma'am, we're coming back when you close five minutes. It's like, damn. And we almost debated like, is is Shorty's worth it?

You know? I will have you know that I walked off of Old Mac wet and went straight to get lunch at Trail to drive. Oh, you did? Yeah, I went right over there. I went right over there. And I'll defend Roger on this one for walking off. If you didn't have the right ring here for that day

at Old Mac, that was not the day to play golf. That was, that was my- You can't hide nowhere in Old Mac. You can't stand behind nothing. You guys just get crushed. Yeah, that was, that was a, I felt like a hoe. I felt like a hoe walking off, but it was like, man, I- If you're not having fun. I would rather be a healthy hoe than a sick, a sick man.

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the importance of good rain gear though. A healthy ho than a sick, a sick man. Do you not? Yeah. That's the importance of, uh, of good ring. Healthy ho. Okay. All right. I'm with it. Healthy. We all want healthy.

Hope. Now, can we get healthy? Ho on Roger's tag right there? Can we get sick? Ho. I'm not sick. Ho. But healthy.

No, you're going to be a sick. You can't be a sick. Can be a sick. No work. You know, I love it. You can't be a state club. You can't be a state club. You can't get no work, you know? I love it. I love it. Ho have an E or do you spell ho with an E or just H-O? What do we call it?

It depends on what community you're in. I think it's E. Yeah, I think it's E though. Okay. You gotta add that E. Okay, I got it. You gotta add that E. Just that's it.

Cause ho, if we just talk about with no E, that's just Santa Claus. Cause he was all about hoes. That's a greeting. That's a greeting. That's a greeting, yeah. They still haven't noticed. You still haven't noticed. Look at your tag.

Thank you. He knows. No, I'm appreciative. It actually sounds like some type of like a lingerie brand or something like, what could we, is this like a, maybe like a Pilates studio? Talk lingerie brand. something. Like what can we, is this like a, maybe like a Pilates studio? A lingerie brand. A Pilates, Pilates studio? Healthy Ho, Healthy Ho Pilates?

Yeah, I like that. Sound like a P90X video about to come after that. All twerk Zumba. Anyways, back to the food abandon. I was gonna say like, since I started going, you know, the golf has been like right here the whole time. Like it doesn't, it doesn't change, right?

Obviously they add course that keeps going. The food just like keeps, keeps rising. Like the, you know, the new ghost tree grill, or I forget what it's called, cafe, whatever it is that that restaurant was insane. Everything was good there. Hey, we did damage. Ghosts grill. They don't want to see us no more.

Nah, I think they lost money with us. I think, I think they lost money, bro. Sala, we all forgot we had money and just started eating everything because it was comp. We was like, what? One of those. What?

Two of them. What's the other entree? Let me get three of those. And because it was comped, that's the most we have ever shared. You want some? Here. Take this.

Brother. I ain't never seen Doug share so much with me so easily. I was like, damn, we got to come to more free spots more often. Yeah. No, but that's a good spot right there, though. That's a good spot. I was not like alcohol hung over in any of the next days.

I was food hung over. Like I did not, my food was not digested for several of those rounds, unfortunately. It's just, all right. So the most spirited part of any band of dooms related podcast, we got to rank them. You got to rank them. And I know Doug and Will,

you haven't seen a couple of the courses. So I'm gonna start with Roger. How do you do your five courses at Bandim? I mean, this is just favorite to least favorite. Not the order that you playing in, just. No, the way I answer is like, which ones would you be the most excited to go play? That's how I rank it. Okay, so I'm gonna go trails, bandin, old Mac pack sheet. Okay.

And then if we toss and short, I mean, if we toss and shorties and I mean, we're not we're not that's a different category. Yeah, that's a different category. But yeah, so I just if if I had an extra day, like if they if they give you an extra day, I'm like probably eight times out of 10. I'm gonna pick trails to to go back to that answers the question. Well, you got to play, you did not play band of dudes, you did not play cheap ranch.

What's your rank of your three? Amongst those three, I would probably have to say trails, Old MacDonald and Pacific Dunes. Doug, what's yours? And I'm gonna just switch wheels second too. It's gonna go trails, pack, Mac. Cause the 18th hole, of course. We really set up. And the 17th hole, of course, we, we, we.

And the 17th hole, 17th hole, and partially the 16th hole. And then you go back to being 15 or 12, you know. No, no, no, no. Look, when I went through all my favorite holes, that hole on old Mack, right when you come up the hill right before the par three. Seven. Seven. Are you kidding? seven Seven are you kidding? Like are you kidding? That's Top tier golf design that little like Ocean man

Hear it as you getting closer to it and it's just it's just, an infinity look out over into the ocean. I'm, yeah, that's. Hey, I think that's a picture you can send Sully, Roger. That one, we took a picture there. Cause Willie, yeah, cause you also, we'll be birdie from 60 feet. So you, oh, let's take a picture. Come on, everybody in.

Everybody in, come celebrate my birdie. Sully, yeah, I'm definitely sending you this, this fourth tee shot on Old Mac and this little, this failed flop attempt at shorty. Hey, I did want you to know that I know all these descriptive words, these guys are using, you know, Duff, bogey, first birdie. I mean, I can go off my ball now. This is what you did.

We'll see. Okay. I'll make sure because you know, Roger, these, these guys are very good with their words and I see what they're using here. They're, they're, they're, they could paint a different picture. No, you could go Roger, these guys are very good with their words. And I see what they're using here. They're they're they're they could paint a different picture. No, no, you could go off your ball, bro. I know that's no, we know. I mean, I would like we would just say, Chipmunk, man, you could.

Well, you said, I said, well, Chippen was a little suspect, but that's the one part that cross-ining should be easier on is the Chippen. Well, actually, I don't know. I'm just saying it because my friend, I'm laughing along with it. I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. But I can. We'll try to get overly creative hitting six iron and seven irons and things was going over the back. Don't try me.

I got I got receipts on that. OK, OK. Well, yeah, I mean, I'll send you that. So when it comes, when it comes to like, you know, around the green, Sully, I get very creative. I try, I try to get, I'm more old school type. I'm the, the, the, the, the John Miller, Johnny Miller. I'm six iron around the green, seven iron around the green. I don't have one wedge. So it was a couple of shots that tried to, you know,

you don't, you don't have one wedge. So it was a couple of shots that tried to, you know. You don't carry a wedge? I do carry, I carry 54, 50. I don't carry a 58. Okay. So you have no flops. Oh, I flopped. I flopped with 50. Will can flop a 50 and it's stupid.

It's the dumbest thing you ever see. It's like, how did you do that? Like how? Yeah. It's a little different. I don't know if I- A little flip McGoo move, man. That's-

Flip McGoo. I don't know how, Will, you got a new name. Yeah, Flip, it's a little different. I don't know if I look like my goo move man. That's my goo. You got a new name. You flip my goo. That's funny actually. All right. Yeah, I gave you guys another my rankings real quick. I go band and doons one trails is to I I got to make a decision here and I don't know I've had sheep three.

I might put pack at three. I I didn't get to play sheep this go around so I can't bump it down. It'd be unfair to me to bump it down. Sheep three pack four and old McDonald five. I'll say you get pack on a nice day. It's higher but I guess that's kind of my beef with it is on. I'd rather if it's windy I'd much rather play somewhere like sheep than pack. So that's my ranking but.

So real quick, real quick before you go, what exactly was the scores that you guys shot over in the short? Because everybody was too close to the pin. Bro, y'all were tearing the flag. I mean, even, let me tell you this. I said, that guy's good. And the guy said, oh, yeah, that's just a caddy. So everybody in the group was good.

So we had a week long match going. It was myself and DJ against against push and Tron and we, you know, each day was we played front nine worth a point back nine worth a point whole match worth two points. So that was 16 points that were available in the in the, you know, it on the real on the full courses. We played for a full point at shorties. And we played the whole week long was two points as well,

like the running match for the whole week. So we had a point on the line at shorties and we, our caddies, we knew both our caddies, Squid and Joe Zwickle, they were on our backs the whole week. We tagged them into play and get in on the match. So they were the third on there and they're both plus handicaps, like they're ballers like so good. So yeah, we had you know, we were throwing some darts in there and yeah push push made an ace on the third hole. He blew out the o-ring. He landed

directly into the cup damaged the side of the cup. It was the second ever ace apparently at shorties because it had just opened. We caught that on film. What they giving them for that? I think handshake. I think just a thanks for coming out. I don't remember if he got anything for that. That's not building community. They're gonna have a lot of aces. I didn't waste a hole in one there.

That's the reason. They're gonna have a whole heck of a lot of aces out there. But yeah, we were, gosh, we got competitive in that one. It just people just started throwing darts in there. And that was a fun way to play that course too. Cause it got, it did get really competitive really quickly. That, that, I think I saw you guys, I saw like six balls around the pin.

I was like, that thing cannot hide at all. Not one ball went in there. I can only imagine what the other 17 holes was looking like. All right. This is the hardest thing I've, maybe one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, which was we were trying to debate this in the, in the've maybe one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, which was we were trying to debate this in the in the you know the grill afterwards of like I make and rank your five courses. That's easy. And in my

honest Will and Doug, you might have an advantage here having only seen three of the courses, but I asked you each to rank your top five favorite holes on the whole property and like you can only name five. That's the hardest part. So with five courses, it's like well well, shit, man, I love Pacific Dunes. Do I have a hole from Pacific? I don't know if I do, but I'm gonna start with you, Rod,

because you've seen all five courses. I'm gonna ask your top five holes on the whole property. All right. I mean, and I'm assuming that we pick one from each. I mean, what do you think you have? You don't have to, that's the hard part. That's the hard part. So, okay. I will go old Mac three, just because that's how, you know, that's how I know the trip has actually started.

That's like my first punch in the face that we abandoned them. Love that. My next one, I'm probably gonna go, abandoned 16 is just, it's very special to me. Partially because like that's my favorite drone shot of the property, period. And this is in no particular order. This is just like the whole day. The whole day, it's a guy to me.

Pacific Dooms, I really enjoy 10. And I guess that's kind of like a cheesy hole just because it's just a, you know, Oceanside part three, but I don't know. I just, I enjoy the elevation. It's your ranking, you know? That's your ranking. But I just, like, even if the wind is beating on you right there, 150 yard shot, like it's

fun to kind of get creative as far as how you get down that hill. And like you can usually, like if I'm having a terrible time at Pacific Dunes, that hole I have fun, no matter what. I got to give, I got to give, uh, cheap 16 some love. That's the phone call. Part three on the cliff. Yep. Part three on the cliff. And then on trails, I'm probably... I feel like we're saying this one, but I'ma say, I'ma say Trail's 15.

There we go, love that. Trail's 15. The part five, you know the part five, Big Tilted part five? That's 16. Yeah, I like that one. No, 16, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, 12, 16, I'm sorry, Trail 16.

Okay. Big Tilted part five. I don't know, 1216, I'm sorry, 1216. Okay. Big tilted par five. I don't know, I just, I love the way that hole. Oh, and it's going up the big hill? Yeah, the one where you hit it way right and have to sprint up the hill, so you didn't fall back down. I think that a lot of my favorite holes

are framed around things I remember Will doing. Just... Yeah. And Will did sprinted up the hill. The caddy fell on the ball, Will ran about a four nine up the hill. The caddy fell out of the ball. We were there, ran about a four-nine up the hill trying to... I was in the combine. I was. I was. Yeah, man. He was on a calorie burning journey, bro. I'm like, I love to see it, baby.

I was there. I was there. All right, Doug, what's your five best holes you played? You know, as we've talked, I'm starting to have some memories come back. And they're in the order I was there. I was there. All right, Doug, what's your five best holes you played? You know, as we've talked, I'm starting to have some memories come back and they're in the order that we played them on a trip. So the first trip, the first hole that kind of took my breath away

would be old Mac number five, par three. I think that part, I've never seen a stacked green like that. Like where the tears, like it looked like a little fat kid that's just born, got them rolls. That's how that green looked as you go back up there. I thought that hole was dope.

I'm wondering if we gonna see a trend here. Okay, let's go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm also gonna give number seven at Old Mac. Roger says that the three up the hill past the ghost holes is spiritual. I think when you get up on top of seven green, you look over, like you see those Lord of the Rings

rocks out in the water. That shit was dope, I'm not gonna lie to you. Packed Dunes number 12. Like that hole a lot. R5. Exactly. There's something to it. I think it. Yeah. Exactly. It's, there's something to it.

I think how it, that's the hole that has the dune behind the green. Roger, you made eagle, if I'm not mistaken. Something about hitting it into that little cove, that natural cove, I think is gorgeous. Trails, I'm giving 11 and 14. Those are my five holes, six holes, but I don't care, I had to add an extra one. Trails 11, I think is one of the hardest golf holes. You get that hole back into the wind with some elements. You've got to sack up on a second shot,

not hit in the water. And if you bail, there's a bunker that's gonna snatch you by the ass. Like, I think that's a very well thought out hole, personally. 11, I mean, you gotta hit two very, very quality shots. Like Will, I think you kind of bailed on your tee shot a little bit and just like you, it turns it into a three shot hole so quickly.

And even just- I went to that bunker that is probably not in play for a lot of people on 11. Well, we got it in tough conditions. I've never played that hole that hard. I mean, usually it's- You have four iron. Yeah. Yeah. You got it in tough conditions. I've never played that hole that hard. I mean, usually it's- You hit four iron. Yeah, yeah.

You hit four iron in there. Well, I mean, y'all tipped it out too, Silly, right? Y'all went to the, played the- We were green tees. We played green tees. Aw, man, Silly, back that thing up. Aw, yeah, you going, Silly? You didn't shoot it down, man.

You got the bus handicapped. Who's gotta be a hero? Silly. Who's gotta be a hero? Why you gotta be a hero? It's raining out here, you know. Listen, I mean, we had a, I'll throw DJ out of the bus. We had a six handicap in the group.

You know, he's not getting off the train. Call straight. He can't even finish himself. Oh, damn. I gotta be a hero. I got no pride on what teams I play. I got no pride. I got no pride.

God, man, reverse backed up on them too. I don't even think y'all were you were tipping it. Yeah, every shot every day. Hey, I mean, his while we had a 267 yard part three, like, oh, I didn't realize I was too sick. Okay. Yeah. Ours was 240 on 12. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. One up. It's way more fun, guys. That's pretty accurate. That's pretty. All right. What's your five holes, Will? My five holes are four Pacific dunes.

The water, even though it didn't work out for me, I didn't really get a chance to play the hole. It's probably way too sweet. This video will bro. He's like, at a different kind of ball might still be in motion. Like that's a, actually is floating down this. I hope it made it to its intended destination, bro. But yeah, it's a pretty good one.

It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one.

It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. Like that's a big deal. Yeah, that shit is floating down the Pacific right now. I hope it made it to its intended destination, bro. But yeah, it's, you know, again, I didn't get a chance to play before. I just walked it after I hit in the wall. But I was cool with that walk.

I was cool with it. I like 10 at, I like 10, the par three, downhill par three overlooking the warden backdrop. Made my, no matter, I feel like I couldn't hit a bad shot and you know, with the, with the, with everything falling off. So it's probably playing what down six, was it down six, seven, maybe something like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Six, seven. I don't know. I always like holes where you got to, you got to, didn't have a yardage book. Will Jesus. Yeah. We had to be creative.

Um, I also like trails number nine, trail nines with solid par five, trails, par five. I love the fact that you really had to. I mean, should I think I hit one of the best three honors in my life just to get it to 130. Because I hit it left. I hit it left in a mess. And I was like, and I stuck you pretty close to Bernie. So I love the birdie hole that number 11 trails kick my ass, but I'll do it again. Old Macdonald number and I stuck you pretty close to Birdie. So I love the birdie hole that I make. Number 11 trails, kick my ass, but I'll do it again. Old MacDonald number three, coming off the heel and you see the

that was beautiful. And I know we said five, but six is 18th hole at MacDonald because it just got under Doug's skin. That's just as simple. That's perfect. Just to see Doug mentally dismantled. That's perfect. That's perfect. Yeah. Just to see Doug mentally dismantled with his- Dismantled. Doug started walking- What the hell was in the hill? Well, I'm trying to hit my ball. Who the hell?

Why in the hell? I was like, damn, dog. I was like- I thought he left. I thought he left. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Hey, I thought he left. I thought he did. I was like, did the heel just get there? The way he's so mad. Hey, Doug, acting like they just shifted it over.

Yeah, like, and then it was so funny. It was so funny. Doug hit me with a question, like, man, you grew this heel here? I was like, I don't know, Doug. I just, I don't know. I don't even know if he introduced himself before he started yelling at me in the clubhouse about the 18th, about that mound.

He's like, I hate that hole, I hate that hole. What's your name again? Hey. That's a hole. Hey, I was in the middle of a transfusion, still hearing about this damn hole. Next week, I'm still talking about that damn hill in front of the gym.

Hey, and then I had a good flop shot over and Doug was like, see, you got hit a flop shot to the flag. And I was like, I mean, yeah, you make a point, but I still let off. You know, the next time he plays it, he's going to bank one off that left ridge. It's going to roll right down there. 15 feet is going to make birdie. And he's like, all right, all right, this was pretty good. I get, I get what he did that. I get, I get what he did. I I get, I get what he did. I

understand what they were trying to get at. I need an adult. I need they are ganging up on you a little hard here, Doug. I see, I see. This is how it goes down for me with the rest of the guys as well. I see, I see this, this all feels very familiar. All right. My five favorite, I hate my list already. I've, I've sweated this one out. Uh, four at Bandon. That's my favorite hole in the whole property. Just incredible. And I'll join you with 16 at Bandon as well, Rog. Seven at Old Mac, just nothing else like that.

I've played anywhere else in the world. It's just nothing like that. It's kind of like my thought process there. Like 11 at Pack is great, 10 at Pack is great, but like there's holes somewhat like that elsewhere in the world. There's nothing else like the first three on that list. That's fair.

Six at Pacific is one of my favorite holes. That short four inland with the perched up green up there, I think that is a master of strategy hole. That hole is different every day in the wind. Which one's six? The little drivable four. Little drivable four with the... Hopefully y'all flared it short right.

Small, short, the small perched up green. I just lovevable forward. Both of y'all flared it short right. Small short, that's small first step green. That was, I just love that hole. It's not the craziest view, but that's my favorite hole at pack. That's crazy. I already, I don't. I wouldn't expect that to be a favorite hole. I wouldn't expect that one.

I wouldn't agree. That's a good one. Again, I told you I hate the bottom of this list. I've got like five holes that I've cycled in and out of this throughout. I might change my mind before I get to the last one, but I had to nominate six at Sheep Ridge. Oh, you talking about the one that goes kind of left?

That's six? Number six. Six at pack. That's why you made it double. Six at pack. Six at pack has that, like the milk carton bunker, like you go missing if you hit it in that front left bunker short, beneath that green.

It's perched up on the top there. It's got the bunker down the right. Doug, you went like this and this and this over the green. Yes, that is very possible as well. Yeah. Hell with that hold in. You know what? All right, Sal.

Six at Sheep Ranch I had, Raj. I know you've seen that one, but one of the coolest tee shots you'll ever hit. It's just this kind of bendy part four, you hit over this cliff. I mean, it's- It's a better version. Like if you would have got to play six at Sheep Ranch,

you would like that more than four at Pack Dunes by fall. I agree. It's a more thrilling tee shot. It's not necessarily the most strategic hole, but it's just like, dude, you just, where I have a poster of it somewhere, I haven't hung it up yet, but it's just like, dude, that's like one of the coolest spots

ever in the play golf. My honorable mentions, you're not, I'm not supposed to mention these because it was, it was five, but 15 and four on trails are both fantastic. 12 and five on bandin are just awesome fricking holes. I love both of those 17 on Pacific is a sneaky good par three away from the water there, but just the awesome, you can land it short ride and roll it all the way up there. 17 at sheep that drivable four up against the ridge and the cliff there is incredible. And three on old Mac somehow didn't make my list. See, Roger Salas said he had honorable mentions. I cheated. I hate myself for it. To name the rest of the property. I did. I hate myself for it. That's what Tron usually does. It's your show, dog. It's your show.

Pick up your own rules, dog. But the to Bandon, the trek to Bandon sucks. I don't care what anybody says. The trek out there is, unless you're flying private, right there. You gotta fly into, See, that's what I wanna do. Yeah. Fly right there, right?

There's a little airport right there, Ben. North Bend, yeah. North Bend. We gotta fly to North Bend next time. Yeah, yeah, because I tell you this, I'm gonna say this, with all due respect to Bannon and just to Oregon as a whole. I live right around a corner from Florence, South Carolina, but Florence, Oregon is totally

different from Florence, Oregon to Florence, South Carolina. That was the most unique trip from airport to resort that I've ever been on. Because, and at the times that we came in, we came in, what time, like midnight? Not midnight, but late midnight. We came in, we landed like 7, 7.30. Yeah. And I felt like the trees were alive. I thought they were moving while we were driving.

Like that was- The third time I went to Ben and the group that I was with had booked the driver and I got there super late. And so he driving me down there. And this dude was struggling to stay asleep. Like, jumping on the way down. Staying awake. He was struggling to stay awake on the way down there.

And it was like, I gained a new found respect for how dangerous that drive could be solo. That definitely, yeah. If you making a late night drive from Eugene to Bandy, it's like, bro. You better stay in Coos Bay. Hey, hey, sorry, sorry, sorry. Doug, Doug never drives 10 and two. I can tell this dude was scared. He was 10 and two the whole way and the music was down. Music was off. Music was off. Quiet back there. Oh man, sorry. I really fell asleep.

But the homie, but the homie Kyle though, like when, so the fourth guy in our group is the marketing director for this company, Ethica, but like he drove like he wanted us to not make it. I don't know, like this is the first time me and Kyle are taking long car rides together. I don't know if he was trying to impress me or some shit, but it was like, bro, this-

Was he fast? Yes, bro. Yes. Hell no. Yes. That's nothing, dog. I can't do that, bro. And then it's like, you know,

I go back to my little healthy ho thing. Should I say something? You know what I mean? Like, man, I just sat back and tried to just, I put it in Alois' hands, man. We made it, but it was like, man, I think that that drive could get a little dicey. So make sure you get there with daylight, you know?

Get there with daylight. Some people say like, oh, it adds to the experience. Like it's so hard to get to, right? And it's kind of, I mean, I wouldn't mind it being a little easier. I'd say it is, I don't want to know the experience if Doug and I had a flat tire. Yeah.

I do not want to know the experience. It's also like, if it wasn't so remote, I mean, it's already booked up for like a year and a half to two years, right? If it wasn't more remote, I don't know's already booked up for like a year and a half to two years, right? If it wasn't more remote, I don't know, maybe up four years in bookings potentially. I don't know. No question. You got to go there on purpose though.

Nobody there go there on accident. You don't stumble upon, oh, I'm going to stop by Benin for a couple of days. No, you got to go there for a reason. It's surprisingly hasn't gotten easier. I mean, I know like Denver, you can run a flight from in summer months from Denver to North Bend, which makes it a little easier. But I hear that airports unpredictable too though. I mean, it's just with weather and all that all those factors out there.

So as we move to wrap any other highlights, you know, anything any other restaurant food highlights or, you know, drink highlights halfway house. I cannot do a band of pop out shouting out the energy balls. They're just fantastic. They're those are like, they unreal that in every halfway house, I think I got a transfusion to every single one. Like it just they make it into a wonderful trance. I guess just it is the ultimate guys trip. And it's just like, I don't know, I could I could talk

about almost every gal strip for sure. For sure. Buddy's trip. I mean, sure. When you think about when you think about when you think about we saw our colleagues, Keira Dixon and Miss Mayo on their trip. And I thought it was a sight to see, you know, when you see them out there, you know, playing golf and I'm up here thinking, I'm like, we got to quit because the weather's getting bad. They're out there trucking.

They're, they're doing it. This was not the trip to, to, to not go play with that many other industry people around being like, you know who the, I'm not calling your fraud for walking off old Mac, but you know who the frauds are that didn't go out and play. If you were not willing to tough it out, I will excuse the old Mac day, Raj, cuz that was tough if you didn't have the rain gear. We didn't think about getting a newborn sick man. Come on, bro. Don't don't do that. Don't do that.

I said, I'm not. I said, don't get defensive. I said, I'm not. I feel like you're alluding to it in ways that allow others to infer. That's your own self-conscious. That's your own conscious getting to you right there. That's that's negative. I'm a. Go ahead. Had a joke. All right. we're gonna let you guys go. We really appreciate your time.

This was this was more fun than I could have anticipated. This was a blast. We managed to cover band with a new angle. So this was this was a lot of fun. So you can check out Will and Doug on their podcast beyond the fairway. You can check out Raj literally anywhere. Just follow him on whatever handle he sees. He's everywhere.

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