No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 842 - Colonial Recap, Scheffler Updates with KVV and more

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

We begin tonight's pod with some brief thoughts on the tragic news of the passing of Grayson Murray. If you are experiencing a mental health crisis please call the national suicide and crisis lifeline... by calling 988 in the US or you can do to their website: https://988lifeline.org/ On the course - Davis Riley wins by five over Scottie Scheffler and Keegan Bradley for his second career PGA Tour win. We talk through the week for all the contenders plus Gil Hanse's renovation at Colonial. KVV joins the show (19:00) to recap the developments into the Scottie Scheffler case with the Louisville police department. We close with TC's celebration of Blandy's win at the Senior PGA (37:00), Harry Higgs going back to back on the KFT, a look at the NCAA championships and more. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Support our partners: Travelers Championship Mizuho Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Solly here, two man show tonight. KVV is going to pop in here shortly to talk a little bit of a little bit of
Starting point is 00:00:37 Scottie Scheffler with us, but got my guy TC here. Hello TC. How are you? Hey, Solly, happy Memorial Day weekend to you. Hope you're getting a little bit of relaxation and we are we are going to get a little bit of relaxation and course we were missing we did not begin the show by mentioning our hearts go out to the family of grace and Murray. I'm sure many of you have heard or all of you have heard by now tragically took his own life this past week. I
Starting point is 00:01:01 have a lot here to say that others you know I've not said other than to echo the sentiments shared by many. That's an incredibly, incredibly sad story. We can't pretend to understand what Grayson was going through. And again, echoing the sentiments shared by the Murray family and say that if you are experiencing a mental health crisis, please call the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline in the US at 988 or visit their website 988lifeline.org.
Starting point is 00:01:26 I know that mental health issues are not that simple, but it's really hard to kind of come up with the words and react to something that is so devastating. And, you know, for those that don't experience mental health issues, you know, it's really impossible to understand what someone might be suffering. The only thing I can say on that is just to keep an eye out for signs and your friends and family and be empathetic towards their battles, even if there, you know, aren't signs that that is going on because it's, it's, it's a horrific, horrific thing that many people suffer through many families suffer through. And again, our hearts go out to the Murray family, but we are going to continue on with our show. We're going to hopefully, obviously, hopefully give people a little bit of a break from, from that devastating news from this past week. We're going to talk about the Schwab and then we are going to talk about some of the, the colonial redo, which we saw on television this past week. Also some of the Scottie Scheffler news, which feels like it's about a month
Starting point is 00:02:22 ago by now, Harry Higgs won on the corn fairy tour. Your guy, Blandy TC did it. The senior PGA championship. We're going to give you all the time you're going to want to talk about that. Uh, KV is going to pop on a little bit to talk, uh, as I mentioned, some of that Scottie Scheffler stuff. Um, it go ahead. We didn't see how double A's this past week.
Starting point is 00:02:39 We played a little golf up in Wisconsin this past week. We're going to talk about that women's major next week. So much to get into. But on the PGA Tour side, Davis Riley joins Stephen Yeager and officer Brian Gillis as the only people capable of bringing Scottie Scheffler down a dominant five shot win at Colonial playing in the final pairing with Scottie Scheffler. TC, they were even odd, the two of them together coming into the final round while Davis had a four shot lead. Did that feel right to you? It's a little disrespectful, right? Yeah. A little disrespectful, understandable, but
Starting point is 00:03:16 disrespectful. Yeah. 66, 64, 66 from Davis. The first three days colonial had a little bit more teeth to it. A lot more teeth. That was a firm, firm, windy golf course this past week. That was a sight for sore eyes. I enjoyed watching it. I thought they did a great job with the renovation. And the more I watched it, the more I liked it. It didn't bowl you over on Thursday when you first saw it. But the more you dug into it, the more I caught up on some videos and some kind of before and afters, it was really thoughtful what they did. And I thought it made for a much better championship. This,
Starting point is 00:03:51 this go around. So, I mean, you know, Scotty tied Keegan too. We got to shout that out. Right. That's in there. That's in there. Yeah. I mean, you know, coming in probably just extremely weary shot 72 on Thursday, made what a triple? He made a triple on the 13th hole on Thursday. And like I was pretty close to just tweeting, like something silly about, you know, he's not the same guy anymore after being arrested.
Starting point is 00:04:14 And then sure enough shot 65 on Friday and shot 63 on Saturday. It looked like he was going to come all the way back and do the damn thing, but ran out of steam and dude, just take a week off. But I mean, I know you want to play your home. I think he's doing next week. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:27 He's not playing in Canada this coming week, but a newborn at home and all he's been through in the last couple of weeks. I would just say stay far away from a golf course this next week. Yeah. I would say, you know, driver let him down a little bit today, but for him to T2 after everything that's happened
Starting point is 00:04:43 for the last, like he's got a baby at home too. Like he, you know, he gets to kind of, I'm sure he's been sleeping in his own bed the last few days, but no, just a remarkable run for him. And yeah, like I would maybe say, maybe take two weeks off, you know? What's the next week? I can't think of it off the top of my,
Starting point is 00:05:00 oh, it's Memorial, okay. It'll be at Memorial, come on. Yeah. Memorial rolls right into US Open. That's a new change for this year of them going back and back to back week. So I'm guessing he's committed. He committed this past week and kind of got lost in some of the other news that was out there this week.
Starting point is 00:05:18 But Memorial did announce that as well. So yeah, but I think back to Davis Riley, I mean, came in 151st in the FedEx Cup. But it moved up 96 spots to 50-50. TC, it had gotten really bad for him. And I don't think I had fully appreciated this. He, I mean, if you just go look up his ball striking has fallen off a planet. This was his first top 10 in 31 starts. The last top 10 he had was when he and Nick Hardy won the Zurich, you know, last year. And his last solo top 10 was 37 starts ago.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Last year's Bay Hill. He had that great run in 2022 starting the Vaus bar where he lost in the playoff there and then continued great play through for several, for months after that. And then has totally fallen off. And you look at that golf swing, you're like, dude, how does that, how does that golf swing fall completely off the, off the map? Like it has, and he played really, really, really steady golf, dude, how does that? How does that golf swing fall completely off the off the map like it has? And he played really, really, really steady golf all day all week. I mean, those conditions, if you watch how bad Scotty struggled
Starting point is 00:06:12 in those conditions today, it kind of makes it stand out like it didn't look like a spectacular round. But it was once you kind of saw what everybody else was doing out there and highlighted capped off by driving it into a divot on the 17th hole. And then, you know, it was kind of over at that point, but he stepped up and out of a divot, had to three feet, five inches and made birdie and then got up and down on 18 to win it by five. Like it was not in doubt for any moment really at any point today.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Yeah. Heck of a pot on 18 to finish it off there. And, uh, so I went back with his old swing coach, which, you know, that, that seems to be a positive thing if you can do that, like get back to some, some feels. But yeah, like, you know, at Pebble, I remember watching them there on the range and just kind of talking to some of the titleist guys and they're saying, Hey, like his wedge play is, is struggling.
Starting point is 00:06:59 We're trying different grinds here. We're trying different drivers and yeah, just kind of, he was really, really ascending, uh, you know, 18 to 24 months ago and, you know, kind of capitalized on that. Now it's, this is, is, you know, really, really other than Houston this year, this was his first top 25. So, um, you know, it goes to, I mean, he was fighting for his livelihood as of the start of this week. I mean, it's not early in the season and, uh, to have a, you know, career week like this to go in and get a two year exemption on top of, you know, I've still got some work to do to get into the playoffs, really get into the
Starting point is 00:07:36 top 70s, got to continue to play some decent golf. He's only sitting at 55th right now, but, um, yeah, it was obviously a, uh, a huge, huge moment for him. His wife, there's family there, greenside, got the whole moment, got the whole thing. Welcome to the wall of champions from Jim Nance. That was great. Mom was wearing a Holla hat.
Starting point is 00:07:53 I had a feeling that might come up. I did have a feeling. That was unfortunate. But rounding off the top five, yeah, Keegan had a final round 67. They moved up into a tie for second with Scotty. I was going to get off a joke on 18. Like, do you think Scotty, you know, plays for the solo second here? Does he just protect the points? But it maybe wasn't the most humorous weekend on the
Starting point is 00:08:16 social media apps, but call more. Go ahead. I was going to say Colin, you know, didn't put great, didn't put that poorly, but still gain strokes putting, but he seems to be emphatically back with his Tita Green game. He was crushing it with the driver and I think led the field in strokes, hand off the tee and fairways hit. So I would say he's a- Piners look out. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Second shot golf course. Let's say that now now let's not let Colin sneak up on us at Pinehurst. He snuck up on us in the last couple majors and being in contention. Let's let's let's vow to not let that happen at Pinehurst. Yeah, sorry. I'll be honest. I'm not I'm not familiar with Mac Mac Meissner or Mac Meissner's game. I know I follow corn fairy tour got at the bottom half of the of the standings pretty closely, but T5 for him, kind of a log jam there, him, Seth Straka, Pearson Cootie and Hayden Buckley.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Pearson Cootie had a really good putt on 18 to try to get out of that log jam, but that's a big time spot for him. Sponsor exemption this week. I think he and his brother made the cut and obviously know, obviously kind of hometown event for them. So pretty impressive. What is it? I saw this category in the inside the field thing on the on the Charles Schwab challenge that there is a category for winners of the Charles Schwab challenge get to select select have two exemptions into it, I can select
Starting point is 00:09:40 two people to be in it and his brother got an exemption from a winner of the Charles Schwab challenge. I've never heard of this. That's the winner's vote. So the previous winner's vote. So it's not like the previous year. It's not like that. It's like all the winners get to vote,
Starting point is 00:09:55 like all the guys that are past champs who are still with us. So yeah, it's cool. There's a couple little wrinkles with this one that are a little bit, you know, old school or invitationally, I'll say. So it is an invitational. I mean, it's a limited field event.
Starting point is 00:10:14 So yeah, a lot of high scores out there. You know, dude, that place, Buckley, Shelby, Shelton firm, the wind was blowing like there were drives going over 400 yards downwind. Like, you know, it is kind of the, you know, the benefit. So if you're not familiar with the redo of Colonial, it's Gil Hanson talked a lot about this. I think we've talked about it with him on the pod of saying like, this is like a nightmare course to do because of the timing, because of like a May event of you've missed out on
Starting point is 00:10:43 a fair amount of growing season, you know, to have this tournament and then to shut down the day after the tournament, try to get everything back up and grown in by the time, you know, before winter hits there where you're not going to be able to grow anything and get ramped up for May. I mean, they've gone through, you know, he wanted to do it in 18 months and it took, you know, he only got 12 months to do this renovation. So some spots on the golf course that did not look great.
Starting point is 00:11:03 I think that is budgeted into the model to say like, yeah, year one, this was look at played as good as it possibly could have in year one for the firmness to get the firm greens right out of the gate and just watch guys be mystified by the new greens. That was a bonus for me. That was a great thing. Yeah, I would say some of those aesthetic. Yeah, you can get past some of the aesthetic stuff that I imagine will not be there next year. Yeah. And I mean, really, I thought aesthetically look better than it had in years past, even
Starting point is 00:11:29 only, yeah. Like they, they turn this thing around in what eight to 10 months versus I think normal would have been, I think Gil would have said, Hey, this would have been an 18 to 24 month project. So PJ Tore had a good, good video, pretty all encompassing. It was like a 35 minute feature on the whole thing and just, you know, all the different elements to the project. They moved a lot of drainage, you know, a lot of those tributaries to the Trinity River. Andy Johnson had a good feature on it as well of kind of how to keep the, you know, the same spirit or the same feeling of the golf course while also at the same time, lowering some
Starting point is 00:12:06 of those greens. The club has definitely an obsession with bent grass. I think they could have put in Bermuda and made the course even harder and left it with bent. They've got the coils underneath all the greens to warm it up in the winter, cool it down in the summer, probably save on some fans and some labor for watering the greens there. But like, I think overall, I think the getting rid of a lot of those like concrete and brick, you know, walls really along that like 15 through 18. And then I thought what they did with number eight, the part three was great. Seven's a lot harder now. Bump that back. I thought it was interesting.
Starting point is 00:12:51 They took the bunkers out on 13. A fair amount of bunkers came out 14 bunkers came out 17 bunkers came out. Yeah, I was surprised to see not as many bunkers. Some of that was not falling that closely. I'm sure some of the viewers were not following this religiously over this past year. Yeah. And then, you know, put a few bunkers in on 16. Overall, I think they did a really good job of keeping the soul of the
Starting point is 00:13:15 place while at the same time modernizing it. And I think Colonial needs a new logo. Now I think that should be the next step for them. Both their logos are tough. I would say, hey, let's move in that direction next year. And then I would say with Schwab, I think it gets so hot and hazy there during this event that I think they need to go away from the white mesh on the build out too. I think that's, you know, it just like going to Navy or something like that to kind of break up the, it just gets kind of washed out and makes it look a little bit funky on TV there.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm riffing. I'm ranting. I'm venting here. I have no response to that one. I've not watched too much golf. I'm not prepared to debate you on the color of the, uh, of the bill. You know, I'm a big square footage guy on on the on the build outs, but the color of it
Starting point is 00:14:05 is not something I've, I've thought about too, too closely. But yeah. You know, it, it, to see just what firmness can do to golfers, one guy shot more than 10 under par this past week. Not gonna make this a Valhalla rant, you know, but to just show like what a little bit of conditions will do to a professional guy, I, because it with all the bunkers that came out and the look of it, it looks easier to the eye. I guess I'm a teeny bit concerned as the greens soften over the years.
Starting point is 00:14:34 First year after renovation, greens are going to be firm almost anywhere. As the greens potentially soften over the years, does it get a little easier and if you don't get the win? We'll wait and see. I trust the people that are organizing this and setting this up and maintaining it more than just me sitting here in this chair to say that. But does the first year firm greens kind of give, I don't want to say a false sense of how things are going to play going forward, but it was just it's not always, you're not always going to have that benefit of having fresh greens for eternity. Right. And it can be a wet month in May and like, you know, you can have some complications that they just
Starting point is 00:15:06 did not have this year, but it was great to see things aligned for them for the setup to be proper like it was this week. Yeah. Interesting to see firm greens when this thing's been a dart fest. Exactly. Even with the raised greens, I think over the last, so that's why I'm a little bit disappointed they didn't go with Bermuda because, but there's, you know, there's this old school thing. Like it was like growing up in Atlanta, we had bent greens in Atlanta everywhere until the athletic club in 2002 or 2003 switched over to champion Bermuda. And now it's all Tiff Eagle and all that stuff. But I think there's this old school pride in the South of having bent greens still in certain spots. So I was
Starting point is 00:15:45 a little bit disappointed they didn't keep some of these greens raised up too. I thought that's, that's kind of a unique challenge that on tour, especially if you can, you know, meld that with, with some firmness. But I mean, looking at the leaderboard, there's some guys too that the pound for pound best player in the world, JT Poston, T12, Lucas Glover, T12, Adam Scott, Mav McNeely, Tom Hoagy, Davis Thompson, Toasty, Finau, like, Svensson, guys that are good ball strikers, you know, rose to the top of the leaderboard. And I mean, really, there are only 31 guys under par. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Which is saying something about the golf course. Totally. And dudes love this tournament, man. They really do. I'm kind of surprised sometimes coming off a major week how excited guys are to play this tournament and to some of the decent. I mean, for a non-signature event,
Starting point is 00:16:38 this is one of the better fields that you see in a tournament. Definitely all summer. I mean, I guess it's not quite technically summer. But once you hit the warm months, these guys aren't turning up for future events like they do this one. But yeah, sorry. I think, you know, some of the Valhalla people are going to come at you for saying, you know, mother nature and all that stuff where I think maybe Valhalla needs to really invest in some of these hydronics or some advanced subair systems or something like that, which I keep hearing that doesn't matter. They're not going back there. We're moved on. We're moved on.
Starting point is 00:17:10 They are going to get a Solheim Cup though, which I think is like the team events. Like the Ryder Cup there was not a bus. Like it is a great stage for some kind of team event. Like they, the Louisville is turnout for that. We're not going to do Valhalla right now, but that's different than a major trip to Solheim go to cricket stick or something. Like not going to do Valhalla right now, but that's different than a major championship test. Why doesn't Solheim go to Cricket Stick or something? There's so many other places. I know, but I don't know. The history with the team events, they could get a good crowd there. I don't know. I wouldn't write that off as a good Solheim. Olive Branch to our friends at Valhalla. We're going to bring in KBV here shortly, but just to note, you can witness insurmountable deficits turn into unforgettable victories at the Travelers Championship, the Northeast
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Starting point is 00:18:18 This was a rare respite of not doing a live show. We're going to be live so many freaking times over the next several weeks. As we go, U.S. Women's Open and to, you know, obviously with the Memorial as well, right into us open straight into travelers. It's KPMG week that week as well. We have a lot of content coming at you, but yeah. And shout out to the PGA tour schedule. There's quite a few tournaments here in a short amount of time that aren't bomb and gouge fest that you have to hit your irons well. They're not putting contests. They're just, they're like real golf tournaments. So I think the way the schedule sets up this year, it's pretty condensed. It's nice.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Let's bring in our guy, Kevin van Valkenburg. Hello, KVV. How are you this evening? Boys, good. Always good to join you on a Sunday evening. We had some news this past week. The Louisville Police Department held a press conference on Thursday. The police chief noted during this press conference that Detective Brian Gillis should have turned on. This is a golf podcast.
Starting point is 00:19:18 I can't believe I'm about to read these next couple of sentences. But should have turned on his body worn camera, but did not. His failure to do so as a violation of Louisville Metro Police Department policy. She added corrective action was noted on a performance observation form. So let's put that in the file. TPS reports.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Also it came out this past week from the Courier Journal. It said that Detective Gillis was previously suspended for performing donuts with an intoxicated civilian in his police vehicle in a business parking lot and for missing court dates. So shout out to Detective on that one. Additionally, Detective Brian Gillis, who was directing traffic following a fatal accident at the time of the account of a chef that was involved in four at fault accidents while operating LMPD vehicles. In two of those instances, he was ordered to take mandatory driver's training. Also came out this week were a couple videos, one from a squad car that was there on the scene that
Starting point is 00:20:20 again does not show the incident but shows there wasn't a lot to see in the in the one from the squad car and there's one video that was highly circulated from a light pole light post that showed only thing you can see is Scotty from the foreground from behind a bus turning into the entrance to Valhalla and you see an officer who I'm assuming to be officer Gillis running towards the vehicle and hitting the vehicle or hitting Scotty through the window of the vehicle to get him to stop and then removing him from the car and arresting him on the spot.
Starting point is 00:20:52 What's your reaction, Kevin, when you see the video and basically everything that went down on Thursday? I would say that it's gonna be very hard the further that the Jefferson County prosecutor wants to take this to get Scotty Scheffler for, I think, anything other than, I would say, failure to yield to an officer's instructions. I think that that's a charitable read on this. The things are starting to pile up where the evidence is just not really in the state's favor or in
Starting point is 00:21:24 the county's favor in this instance. Now there was a report that a television station Louisville came out with this week, WAVE, that said that the supposedly a source of saying that the incident allegedly a first initial contact between Scheffler and Officer Gillis happened where it's being blocked on that camera by the bus there. And that Scotty was, I guess, kind of spooked or something that didn't really realize that Gillis was a police officer and that Gillis put his hands on Scheffler and that that's why he drove away. And that allegedly, according to this report, that that's where the initial dragging went through and that in the sort of audio, not video, that is captured after this, that the state, or I guess the county has not released, that Shuffler
Starting point is 00:22:10 sort of apologizes and says it was stupid for him to not heed to the officer. We'll see, you know, whether that sort of comes to fruition. You know, I think what I can say from our initial I think what I can say from our initial reporting, from what I know from a source that said that the initial feeling of the prosecutor was, hey, you know what, we're going to dismiss these charges. Obviously, that changed at least in the moment of whether it's going to be delayed to the dismissal of it. The county attorney that came in there, Michael Connell, he has apparently is not someone who goes to court regularly,
Starting point is 00:22:48 has not been in a courtroom in, I've heard several years. And so I don't want to get too deep down the rabbit hole in speculating exactly like why the charges might not have been dropped. But the idea that like Scottie Scheffler is being treated like any other sort of citizen who would be involved in the situation seems a little bit ridiculous. Postponing an arraignment is not something that is regularly fought, certainly not by the county attorney going to court to sort of stand up against this. Already the idea that Scottie Scheffler is being treated like a quote regular person
Starting point is 00:23:23 is a little bit absurd. I still think the most likely scenario is that these charges are going to get sort of either dismissed or it looks like Shuffler's attorney says that they have no interest in pleading down to any sort of thing. So you know, if they're going to sort of push this all the way to the end, there's still a possibility that the judge in this case could sort of determine, hey, you do not have enough evidence for a felony. If it goes forward and they still are willing to sort of push it, the judge decides that yes, then eventually it will go to a grand jury. But it just seems kind of insane that this has gone
Starting point is 00:23:58 on this far and that no one has stepped back to say, hey,, like this is crazy. Like really, I don't think anybody was trying to drag a cop 20 to 30 yards and we don't really have evidence of that happening on video. So maybe it's in everyone's best interest and just goes away. Also in that report, the WAVE, which you can take this as you like, but that even they have a source that says,
Starting point is 00:24:23 Dr., excuse me, that Officer Gillis is kind of wanting these charges to go away now that he's been harassed and he's been doxxed, that he's no longer interested in sort of pursuing this stuff. So who knows, take it what you will. But it's funny, like we we've laughed about like how silly it is to be talking about like world affairs and like human rights stuff on this podcast and now here we are talking about misdemeanors and felonies and traffic violations and various you know sorting through of County attorney politics and such so so well of many things to address here one of which is okay if
Starting point is 00:25:01 If this incident happened the way Officer Gillis initially described it, one, the control in place here is that officers are required to wear body cam footage that would give us the evidence needed to put Scotty away for a felony, right? The bar to clear is in terms of evidence of this thing. That did not happen, right? It was not on, that was a violation of policy. Corrective note in his file aside, I think that should have an effect or potentially have an effect on this had this case now plays out. Now listen, there is a blind spot in the video. We don't see what happens before he turns left. I from concluding evidence
Starting point is 00:25:40 all around this, nobody else that's in the video is acting like that. Someone's just been dragged. Police officer was just dragged. Like that's not the urgency here and does not seem like something Scottie Scheffler would do. And there's no video evidence of this to me. I'm not an attorney. I'm not a judge, but that would seem like a case
Starting point is 00:26:00 you just move on from. It seemed like there's a lot of ego and pride involved here to say like, you know, we're not, only bringing more embarrassment and more eyeballs on this bad situation. And again, another coinciding factor here is like they released him shortly after and let him go back to the golf course and play a round of golf. Like if he had just dragged a police officer with his car in a felonious way, is that the way you would respond here? So I'm more confused as the days go by. I don't know what the purpose of that press conference and video release was to say.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Like it didn't support their charges that are against them. So what are you going off of now at this point? Unless there's evidence they have not shared out there. At one point they said, yeah, they mentioned that any other videos are gonna come out after the legal process, but they also mentioned there is no other video. So that was confusing as hell. And I don't understand any of this.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Why not release the audio? If there's audio, I think that would be pretty cut and dry, right? Maybe that embarrasses Scotty and he laid into him with expletives. Maybe that embarrasses the officer. I'm not sure, but it would seem like, hey, let's get all the evidence out there. Or you know, especially if they're going to try this thing kind of in the public eye, which it seems like this is just politics, right? It's not really, it doesn't seem like justice is at hand here. It's more just, hey, police union, municipal and county politics, reelection bids, maybe
Starting point is 00:27:28 beef between the mayor's office and the DA's office. All that sort of stuff seems like it's in play here, right? Absolutely. And remember, like this is a police department that has a lengthy history of misconduct, history of being cited by the justice department for misconduct. And so I imagine that is a very, the mayor's job is very tricky in this moment. He's trying to say, all right, here's the evidence we have. Take it for what you will, and trying to walk the tightrope between the police
Starting point is 00:27:58 union not getting upset and supporting the prosecutor, but also saying, god, guys, how messed up is this whole situation that one police officer has brought all this really bad PR down on the city of Louisville, and we're sitting here on a golf podcast, once again, debating whether the Louisville police department is behaving in an ethical manner. Talk about something that's beyond our scope of expertise. I mean, this is just like absurd, but this is like, about taking else they're just literally taking Louisville
Starting point is 00:28:30 shaped L's right now. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think that there's a very good chance and I've talked to a few more people since that there is some hope that part of the reason that the delay is that they're wanting to sort of clear up whether any sort of civil lawsuits might result out of this stuff. And as if there's some kind of like handshake agreement that those things will go away, that is most likely that that will kind of contribute to moving forward in whatever manner happens from here. But it's, you know, it's a crazy kind of situation. I feel,
Starting point is 00:29:02 I don't feel bad for Officer Gillis because he obviously is not the, you know, someone who I think garner a lot of sympathy in any of the situation, certainly given his personnel file. But I think it's, it's easy to understand how Scotty like there's this shit happens all the time. People get waved through these checkpoints all the time as PGA tour players. We're literally all coming to this tournament to see these people. You don't want them treated like regular people, right? You don't want them. If you were going to a concert, let's say you're going to a Taylor Swift concert, would you want Taylor Swift to have to sit in line for two hours when the traffic backup was there? No, you'd probably want Taylor Swift to be waved through in the VIP lane because we're all going to see that concert. And so the idea that like Scotty I think was egregiously wrong for like being like, hey,
Starting point is 00:29:49 I'm going to kind of get into tournament when other PGA tour players were being waved around like that seems pretty silly to me. KVV, anything you want to discuss regarding, you had to take an L on the reporting front despite using careful wordings in your initial report, reporting that as of this moment, the thinking with the reporting front, despite using careful wordings in your initial report, reporting that as of this moment, the thinking with the prosecution offices, the charges will be dropped. That did not end up being the case. Can you give us kind of some insight into the reporting process, why you were right,
Starting point is 00:30:16 even though everyone on Twitter wants to tell you that you're wrong and how there's just no winning that battle no matter what. I'm wondering if you could shine a light on any of that. Yeah, I mean, there's no like convincing people that wanna just sort of dunk on me that they don't deserve to get to and let them, that's fine. Like I feel like my journalistic reputation is what it is. And I think it like I've done this for 20 plus years.
Starting point is 00:30:38 And if you think like that I made up this source, like you're an idiot. Like there's no way that I would do that. I know for a fact that they held a meeting in the office to sort of discuss that they were dismissing these charges. Now that doesn't mean necessarily that they were going to go all the way through that. Like obviously you got to, everybody has a boss, like right? And there's certain scenarios where you're going to get overruled. And so I think like, I don't exactly know the specifics of why
Starting point is 00:31:06 that initial report got overruled. But I know that the specific office, specific, you know, district attorney who was going to handle this case was telling people, hey, these charges are going to get dismissed. Like, we're going to move on from this. And normally, that's their jurisdiction, right? Like, yes, every single case can be overruled by your boss, right, in that scenario. But the normal sort of course of business is like, hey, if you draw this assignment, it's your responsibility to decide these high profile cases might get kicked up one way or another. And so at that the time, like
Starting point is 00:31:39 very specifically, I said, you know, as of now, the plan is for these charges to be dismissed. And something changed in that I don't know what it is exactly. And look, if you want to sort of say to me, like you should have held on to that report, you should have sort of waited until you guys got more confirmation or until the boss had a result, then I think that's a fair point of view. You know, like you can say that and maybe I should have to sort of look at that one and say like, hey, we needed it. But I felt like that information was, and I still feel like it was rock solid. And I trusted the source who talked to me about it. And you know, sometimes things, circumstances change when those kinds of things happen.
Starting point is 00:32:16 And if you want to hate on me because of it, then that's okay. Let's not also rule out that that news coming out or that report coming out could have influenced decision making, right? Did that piss people off that that word got out and they said, we'll show you. That's not as a non-zero possibility in all of that. I did have a lawyer reach out to me and say, who not involved in any of this stuff, said, I think there's a non-zero chance that that had an effect on it. And that's fair. It's not my job to worry about the politics of it, right? To sort of say, like, hey, this report might change the circumstances of things. We had that information. We trusted it was true. We decided to go with it. We discussed it. It wasn't just me going rogue.
Starting point is 00:32:58 We discussed it as a group and we went forward with it. So, you know, that's sometimes like circumstances are changed and that's why breaking news is difficult. And that's why when you are breaking news, and when there is journalistic stuff in there, there's three words there as of now, that's what's included in there. And that's the reason why you did not say the charges will be dropped. It is what we knew at the time was that that as of now, the moment you reported that the plan was for those files to be charged charges to be dropped early in the week, that did not come out to be true, but that does not mean the information was not right
Starting point is 00:33:26 at the time. A lot of people have made up their minds on that and not care, uh, to differentiate between the two things. But, uh, that is, that is the difference in actual reporting and not, I don't want to do the actual reporting. We leave that to you, KV. That's why we brought you in and, uh, all good. I didn't, you know, it never, never did across my mind that like in this role that I would have to necessarily like be talking about like legal charges, kind of stuff and harkening back to my days as a court reporter, like I have covered some of this shit before. Like it's not totally foreign to me, but it is also covered the Ravens. I have covered
Starting point is 00:33:58 a lot of the Ravens. Listen, my Joe Mayo scoop held up. Come on. It's also like just if you follow common sense, like it would be that again, unless I'm holding out for, you know, to be dead wrong on this, if video evidence comes out that fully supports officer Gillis's statement, I will put as many hands up as I can to say I was wrong on this, but it's not adding up as of right now. So we all know you back the blue. That's your team. Thank you. Tc. We are a KV anything to add before we, before we dismiss you on a Sunday evening here. No, I just think it'll be funny. Like I was joking with my, my parents here this weekend. I was kind of joking with
Starting point is 00:34:42 them like, man, like it's really going to be funny to look back at the end of this year if Scotty wins like three majors and think this is what like derailed him from, you know, chasing the Grand Slam. Like how, how insane is this? You know, three majors and the players. Like, that's right.
Starting point is 00:34:58 You know, it's so I, you know, I think there's a very good chance that before the arraignment that everything, all this could get sort of, you know, dismissed, that's still where I'm leaning that's still where I like another person reached out to me and said, you know, I'm involved in some of this. And that is the direction that is leaning. So, you know, I think what weeks the arraignment what day? July, June 9, I believe.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Which is so it would have to be June 10, then, because June 9th is Sunday of the Memorial. Okay. The week of June 9th then, I assume. So that'd be US Open Week then? US Open Week, yeah. What a dumb question here. If you're charged with a felony or if you have a felony outstanding, can you leave the country? Like, can he go to the British Open? He'd have to be convicted of a felony. And even then, like the British sort of head of state would be able to make a determination one way or another, whether an exception could be made with him, the State Department would certainly
Starting point is 00:35:54 get involved, but not until conviction. And certainly, like, let's say this does go to trial. That's, you know, we're not going to set a trial date probably until August or September or something like that. There's no way that the trial would probably be next year. And then Rishi Sunak would get up in the rain, call a presser. He might not be the president. They've just called us an election. Do not get canceled for that. Sorry. He's he's they've just called an election in Great Britain. So who knows that?
Starting point is 00:36:29 Okay, you're gone now get out British elections, gave me thank you for joining and shining a light on this. Have a lovely rest of your long weekend. TC who is Mizuho? Mizuho is the top global corporate and investment bank. I was gonna answer that. Let's do the oracle question. You know the answer to that. A powerhouse in Japan is a retail bank
Starting point is 00:36:51 and the Americas is now the fastest growing region for Mizuho's institutional banking division. They're the title sponsor of last week's LPGA event, the Mizuho Americas Open at Liberty National. This is the only event where top junior players compete alongside 120 LPGA tour players in concurrent tournaments. Saturday and Sunday, the junior and LPGA groupings are combined. It's a great, fantastic format. The leaderboard was stacked last week. Nelly Cordo
Starting point is 00:37:16 won for the sixth time in seven starts in the event. The event's been the buzz on tour. Players have taken the ferry over from Manhattan to the course. There's incredible perks for the players. It's gotten rave reviews. So that is Mizuho. And for more information, visit www.mizuhoamericas.com. Solid. That's the official Japanese powerhouse of the vision fund. Certainly of the C-suite, right? It's our investment bank of choice. Thank you. Thank you for that. You want to take the floor with Blandy here. I know this was probably the highlight of 2024 for you. Yeah, I would love it if, gosh,
Starting point is 00:37:54 if we could edit in from the player, from the PGA preview podcast. We're not editing this in. When I said I called on the PGA of America to grant Blandy an exemption into the Kitchen Ed Senior PGA Tour. I'd been talking about it on Twitter for a few weeks. Prior to that, I said there would be a big asterisk of Blandy wasn't in the field as he's one of the preeminent olds in the world. Sure enough, he shows up, rocks up to Benton Harbor,
Starting point is 00:38:24 to the Nicholas course up there, and he wins the damn thing. In all seriousness, he beats Greg Chalmers, fights a weather delay today, played rock solid. He was 36 hole leader. I legitimately thought, I saw I was up in Wisconsin with DJ the last few days, just hanging out. And I legitimately thought about taking the ferry across from, from, from Milwaukee to Ludington and then driving down to Benton Harbor. I wanted to get home, but man, I'm just like, I really did want to be there because Blandy, it started as a bit. And I think it's really cool that like the fact that the guy found his form at like 48. It's unreal. Like he's been on like a four year heater now and he's made like 14
Starting point is 00:39:10 or 15 million dollars. Like I don't think he got anything from live as far as signing or anything like that. He just showed up and stole money from the younger dudes, like just beat the shit out of them. And I respect the hell out of that. And now he's doing it with guys his own age too. So hopefully this gets him into, I know it gets him into the U S senior open. I've already checked on that. That's a Newport country club, June 27th through 30th. That's the week after live Nashville. So I assume he's, he's going to be playing in that and then we'll get a week off. Then he'll go to live and the Lucia. So I'll be really curious to see what happens with the senior open championship.
Starting point is 00:39:47 That's at Carnoosty this year. A, that's the same week as the live up in like Birmingham, like up in kind of Northern England there. Also, they've barred him from playing in that the last few years. They should totally give him an exemption and he won't show because he can't miss last few years. They should totally give him an exemption and he won't show
Starting point is 00:40:05 cause he can't miss a live event. They should totally do that. If you want to expose live for what it is, you got to give them an exemption there and he won't be able to be let out of his contract to go play it. I think that they should A, let him out as a Cliques fan. I would be okay with that.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Or they, you know, they work with the RNA to get him like the late early wave. No, don't say it so that he can see the helicopter back and forth. And then I like it just it's like today we're like like Dion. Yeah, Blandy and Dion. There's no literally opposite of ends of the spectrum in terms of swag. It's about 350, 400 miles from, like JCB is in the middle of nowhere. It's up by like Leeds and kind of, you know, in this kind of triangle between like Leeds, Birmingham and-
Starting point is 00:40:56 That's one of the greatest comps. That's one of the greatest comps I've ever heard. Blandy's going to pull a Dion. But so, but I just think, so he's suspended by the DP world tour because he hasn't paid his fines because he was a member and he left and all that. And then he's probably not going to play the senior players, which used to be a good tournament. Now they just have it at firestone every year. But I'm curious to see what he does in October and November too, because he's, I would think that this gets him like he wasn't a PGA Tour member prior,
Starting point is 00:41:25 so he's not suspended from the PGA Tour, the Champions Tour. And Liv finishes up late September. Would he go and play? And like, I think there's three or four events in October, and then there's the Champions Tour, Charles Schwab Championship there at the end of the year out in Arizona.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Does Blandy go and play in that? I think it's going to be fascinating. So I think Blandy, now that he's won a major, I think he should take on the captain mantle from Kymer, even though Kymer is playing a little bit better. Kymer, focus on your golf, man. Let Blandy handle all your stuff. Kymer's won two majors. I think he's on that front, I think he's qualified. I always forget he won a second one. Blandy had nice things to say. His brother was diagnosed with lung cancer earlier this year.
Starting point is 00:42:11 He had a really kind of heartfelt statement after in the win. I think it was with Jimmy Roberts there afterwards. And then lastly, Blandy's Southampton Saints, they were relegated, I think last season from the Premier League, they're back. They won the playoff to get back into the Premier League today. And so what a massive day for Blandy. It just brings a smile to my face and I'm genuinely chuffed for the guy. Can you, I just am reading this, that he got an invite last year as well, but could not
Starting point is 00:42:46 play in the senior PGA because of a conflicting live event. Well, let's, let's hope that, you know, let's get Lori Cantor or someone that I think the, like we need to create a form system within the cliques and have, you know, like, Blandy is, again, he's not like he, he didn't get a big signing bonus or anything like that. He's a blue collar clique. It's we're a blue collar club, right? Bob Herrick was reported today that his win will not come with
Starting point is 00:43:14 the customary one year PGA Tour Champions exemption because he's playing for live golf in spite of the win is from the tour in spite of the win because of competing in an unauthorized event by the PGA Tour. He'll be ineligible for tour affiliate events. PGA of America, USGA and RNA each operate based on the criteria of their own. Which, all right, so he's never been a PGA Tour member prior. How are you going to penalize him for something that he was playing for a competing or conflicting thing? But it just doesn't make any sense to me.
Starting point is 00:43:44 I don't think I fully understand that either. Like what, why it just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think I fully understand that either. Like what, what, what, why it's an unauthorized event for him if he was not a member, but yeah, that's the, this is we're past the bit part of this. This is, we're not going to spend much time. Totally. We're totally past the bit part. And he gets into Quail Hollow next year for the PGA championship. How about that? That's another clique in the field for next year. Is is data golf page is fucking hilarious. Like at age 51. He's
Starting point is 00:44:12 approaching a full shot gained per round, which is like, close to like tops. Five in the world. It's insane. It's insane. I mean, he was like just truly negative European tour player for so long. At this age, he's, just truly negative European tour player for so long. At this age, he's coming from the, he won his first European tour event at age, what it would have been 48 at the bet. Fred Masters at this, around this time, three years ago, I think it was. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:36 It was like almost this exact week, three years ago. And now it's gone on to just earn a gajillion dollars play golf in his early fifties. It's insane. I think he just crossed over the $10 million threshold with Liv a couple of weeks ago. Talked to some of the Liv guys about him. They said he's absolutely nasty with his wedges. Just notice how to get the ball in the hole. So shout out to Greg Chalmers too. Chalmers has become one of my favorite Twitter X follows. He calls himself the Greggy. It's great. I've thoroughly enjoyed him. Harry Higgs goes back to back. He wins the visit. Knoxville open, another dramatic finish. He
Starting point is 00:45:14 finished with an eagle in the playoff over Frankie Sappin. Harry Higgs coming back to the PGA Tour. You went to corn fair events. You were coming back to the PGA Tour. You know, you went to corn fair events, you were coming back to the PGA Tour. Could not be, he had a great speech afterwards kind of talking about Grayson Murray and leaving people with the message to be nice to somebody you know and be nice to somebody you don't know every single day and the whole golf world's rooting for that guy and to see him come back playing this well. We're just very, very excited for him and very happy for him. Yeah, cool if Harry uses and, and, you know, kind of grab the mic and say that stuff and, and use this platform for good. So he's a guy,
Starting point is 00:45:52 he's flair for the dramatic last few weeks to one first guy ever on the corner fairy tour to win back to back weeks on a playoff. And, uh, he made an Eagle putt on first playoff hole today. Sappin's been playing really well too. He shot what, 58 or like, I don't know, 51 a few weeks ago. 52 I think is one of those. At this point I can't keep track of it. But yeah, hopefully Higgs, I mean,
Starting point is 00:46:17 Tim Veeding played quite well. It seems like the thoroughbreds on the corn fair tour are kind of separating this year. Hopefully I'd love to see Harry just, Hey, let's go back to back to back and battlefield promotion, which I think if you get battlefield promotion, I think you should get into the Aon swing five. Just go straight into the signature events. Hell yeah. Why not? Sure. I'll ride with you. One of the hottest players in the world. I'll ride with you on that one. Other various golf news.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Liv finally announced the team championship at Merida for this fall. I don't know what took so long to announce that. I feel like we knew that for months and months. What a bizarre deal. Like what? Like, I don't know, just Merida hosting that. Right? Yeah. I don't know enough about all that, but the individual event being at Bowling Brook and now, Merida is a nice club from everything I've gathered. I've been there, just been there, we did a Litrovino interview there, that's the only time I've been there, but that'll be this October. We have a little segment I wanted to do today, TC.
Starting point is 00:47:20 We're going to call this, we can call this either one of two things. We were originally going to call it take sale where you end up like selling off one of your takes that you've had. But I think we're going to kind of on the fly here. Rename this to the big Randy Morikawa Memorial. Randy has famously bought high and sold low on more cow was so many times that I can't can't figure out where he is. He after he won two majors. Randy was really in on him when he was
Starting point is 00:47:43 playing poorly, sold him off and now that more cows back competing in majors, he's bought back in at the top. I was going to throw this. I have one. I'm going to throw it to you first. If you have one of like, even if it's at a loss, even if you're just willing to, to wave the white flag, any kind of take you've had at any point that you're going to sell off, you're like, I'm bailing on something I've said previously and I don't care if it's at a loss. Perhaps fittingly, I'm going to sell off my Colin Morikawa, eight majors. I think I can sell it for five majors, six majors.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Not a crazy loss, but I just need more liquidity. I need to get out from under that one and need to be able to kind of get that one in. Can I still, can I keep the calendar invite for July 2026? Just as a reminder. Okay. I will revisit that. That's fine. Hopefully by that point, I've, you know, I've, I've gained enough on my new investments to make up for, for said loss. You know, I thought about some of the shade that I threw towards Xander last week, that I threw towards Valhalla,
Starting point is 00:48:50 that I've thrown towards Quail Hollow in the past, but I don't apologize for any of that, except for the Quail Hollow stuff, which we went over that last week. But Adrian Dumont, H.S. Sartre, thought about that too. But I think the Morikawa one that sticks with me of, Hey, I got a little bit out of my skis there. I am going to sell on a course setup take that I, that I've had.
Starting point is 00:49:12 And I think Valhalla kind of stripper rough. No, never, never get over the strip of rough. I'm hoping one year. I want, please tell me it's TIO. I want that's such a bad take. It's not. I want travelers to invite me one year TIO. I want, that's such a bad take. It's not. I want travelers to invite me one year to come and personally mow the strip of rough left of 15. I'm going to put the call out for that one, but no scissors. The Holocaust kind of helped crystallize this and I've thought about it for a while and I think I prefer narrower fairways as opposed to wider fairways in pro golf. Now, if you let me unpack that a little bit. Again, I'm not on the
Starting point is 00:49:47 extreme end when they get too narrow, I think it can be kind of silly. Like, you know, sometimes when they get firm, when they get really firm and narrow, it just becomes a silly test, right? Wing foot ended up being pretty silly. But but at the same time, Valhalla needed narrower fairways, there was like no constant where they did not have the balance right on the consequence of a good tee shot, right? And I think I'd rather them err on the narrow side
Starting point is 00:50:10 than the wide side, which is not consistent with takes I've had in the past. Now, they're just- So, Solly, I'm gonna be, I'm just, I want you to consider and be aware that I think you're painting with a broad brush here. So I think on pro golf setups, major championship setups on bad golf courses, I think you're correct. Yes, I think I'm gonna
Starting point is 00:50:32 get there. I'm gonna get there with good setups, good greens, we're gonna get there. arm greens. Okay, we're gonna get there. Yep, yep. Bring it there. I still think equipment that makes the ball go too far has driven us into this like unwinnable Goldilocks situation of too warm, too cold. But I still think at the pro level there should be some consequence for hitting the ball offline. But now again on the world's best golf courses this is not necessary
Starting point is 00:50:59 because they have good contouring, good conditions that challenge the players. Shinnecock comes to mind of they went from 26 yard fairways to 42 yard wide fairways and like all of the challenge of the firmness of the greens, the contouring the greens, the way the bunkers cut in, you know, the wind elements that take place taking all the trees out of that place. Like that still makes sense to me, right? Like that did not feel too easy back in 2018. That was the year they lost it. It was on
Starting point is 00:51:22 the edge, but they lost it. But on a Parkland style, like Valhalla and Oak Hill, like Oak Hill, they're kind of played in similar ish settings. I know different parts of the country and different grasses, but like Hills too. But I preferred Oak. Southern Hills is really well contoured, right? And Valhalla would not consider well contoured at all. But I preferred Oak Hill to Valhalla by a lot in terms of consequence of tee shots, right? And I've kind of always just been in favor of width in general. And I'm just selling
Starting point is 00:51:49 off on like, dude, sometimes there needs to be some rough to punish these guys tee shots. And that was a takeaway I had from Valhalla. So that's the take I'm selling. I think the other thing with Valhalla was just even if this if it was soft, if they had wide fairways, all of that, the greens just didn't seemingly have any slope. And I think that's a problem.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And then you get back into fast greens versus, hey, can we get back to a little bit slower greens and then ball striking becomes more important. And I got tagged in this by about 50 people, by 50, I mean five probably, but the Data Golf had a tweet this week kind of showing a chart of all major championship courses and the courses that best separated based on skill and how high Valhalla ranked on that list. And I thought they, you know, they kind of followed it up with an interesting, you know, kind of statement on it, that kind of answered a lot of it. But they said it's understandable why lots of people disliked how Valhalla played last week. The soft conditions turned the event into
Starting point is 00:52:47 a shootout, which seemed out of place at a major championship. However, easy conditions should not be equated with a leveling of the playing field. Good shots were still rewarded, bad shots punished. It's simply that the punishment was mostly a lower likelihood of making birdie rather than a higher likelihood of making bogey like we are used to in the majors. Some interesting takeaways they had in the data was that it played easy, but the skill adjusted scoring average was just negative point two shots per round, which is 10th easiest of 20 PGA tour courses played so far in 2024. So like middle of the pack for PGA tour courses. Again, my take on
Starting point is 00:53:20 it, I think is very similar to yours and like a major championship shouldn't be a middle of the pack PGA tour setup by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I was a little bit surprised because I read that same newsletter and you know, at first I was like, oh, they're crowning Valhalla and then I think they basically said, hey, it's identifying the right guys just in the wrong way. Essentially, well, I think my overall takeaway with it was like it's identifying guys that they consider the model data golf model considers to be the best players in the world. And the overwhelming data that goes into that is PGA Tour setups, right? Like, yeah, Sanders
Starting point is 00:53:52 stuffs the stat sheet on PGA Tour events finishes the top five all the time, like the skills that are ordered out there driving distance, you know, going as low as you can, blah, blah, blah. We're also on display there, like it's gonna match up really well with their model that matches a lot of the PGA Tour golf, right? Which is like, why guys like Brooks stand out to me as the major champions of the generation of like, they don't perform the best he did not
Starting point is 00:54:13 perform the best in PGA Tour events and live events like but when the golf got harder, he had a skill set that was different and identified that that kind of thing. So that was just I thought some interesting analysis and an interesting bookend on the conversation from last week of like, it's not that kind of thing. So that was just I thought some interesting analysis and an interesting bookend on the conversation from last week of like, it's not that Xander is an amazing is not an amazing player and the Valhalla isn't like a good test. It's just like the wrong one is kind of where I ended up netting out on that.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Valhalla would be a great PGA tour venue. 100% have the young brands open there. I'm totally fine with that. And that's that's where a lot of my Xander stuff came from. I know everybody's playing the same golf course and all that, but it just didn't, it didn't feel like a major to me. Moving on from that, we play a little golf this week. You made your way up a little further than, than I was able to, but you got to play the Lido this past week. What was your reaction there? I did. Yeah. It was, um, God, it was a lot.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Uh, DJ and I drove over after a few great days at Aaron Hills, we were like, Oh, I'm going to go to the Lido this past week. What was your reaction there? I did. Yeah. It was, um, God, it was a lot. Uh, DJ and I drove over after a few great days at Aaron Hills that we had that, that will have plenty of video coming out from we had a blast there and Hills as always that place is awesome. So, uh, it's a big walk, but it's a worthwhile one. There's plenty of variety and, and I don't know, just, there's plenty of variety and I don't know, it's a really, really cool setting. But the Lido was, there's spots where I could see 10, 15, 20 handicaps just kind of chalking her up to randomness and hey, is it strategy or is it randomness? We caught it on maybe the calmest day you could possibly have. No wind, there'd been thunderstorms midday and then the sun came out. And so it was about as benign and soft as you'll find it. And we had a blast.
Starting point is 00:55:52 You know, pure condition. It's as a thought exercise, it's one of the most impressive accomplishments I've ever seen. Like Peter Flory was actually playing in the group behind us. Peter Flory, of course, is the guy that created the canvas or the CAD design within the software program that they turned into, looked at a bunch of historical photos and drawings and schematics from the original Lido Golf Club on Long Island. And they used that as the basis for, Hey, we're going to recreate this thing in real life. And so it felt really, really surreal. It's this massive, vast piece of property, just a big sandbox. And they, they recreated the thing to the best of their
Starting point is 00:56:37 ability. So if you don't like something, blame CB McDonald, don't blame Tom Tocque and Brian Schneider. You don't want to blame Tocque? I don't believe it. No, no. I mean don't believe that. No, I mean, I thought it was a master. It's triumphant. It's cool. I don't think I want to play there every day. It's definitely overload as far as, I mean, on some holes, there's 30, 35 bunkers. I mean, it's fucking crazy. Number four, the channel holes. One of the more interesting dynamic holes I've played in recent memory. There's so many different ways to play the golf course and I can't wait to get back and
Starting point is 00:57:14 play it again. I think kudos to all involved and the conditioning matches the strategy and how it should play the fine fescue with the bent grass greens. I don't know, the greens are massive. We had great caddies out there. Yeah, still wrapping my brain around it. It's really, really, really wild. And didn't get to see Sedge Valley this trip, but hearing great things on S Valley, which is lots of open up and here in a couple of weeks up there and, and yeah, they've got four, you know, championship length golf courses up there. And then of course the sandbox as well. So Wisconsin rules, man. And then played, played DJs club, the Wisconsin club went in, not thinking anything. And so like, were you there when we played pine hills and
Starting point is 00:58:06 Sheboygan? Did you go over for that? No, I did not. No, I did not. Okay. So there's this kind of like, there's not enough kind of mid tier, like they're not like top 100 golf courses, but they're better than your kind of average golf course. And so Wisconsin clubs, like just this really good piece of land with this 1950s, 1960s design on it. And they've just, you can tell over the last 10, 15 years, they've just kept expanding
Starting point is 00:58:37 the greens, adding short grass, adding tee boxes, widening it in certain spots. And I don't know, I just really enjoyed it. And I think there's this middle tier of golf courses that keeps shrinking and shrinking and shrinking. So every time you actually play one that, you know, is, it's a private club, but it's, you know, it's part of concert golf, but it's, I was just sometimes the best thrills are the ones that are super, super unexpected. And I remember
Starting point is 00:59:04 turning a DJ after seven or eight holes. I was like, this is awesome. I can't believe you belong here. And it's not an expensive place to join. And it was the perfect blend of quality and approachability, I think, for, and I think golf needs more of that. So I wanted to shout it out. Oh, that's fantastic. It was funny just driving through Wisconsin and passing some public golf courses this past week. I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, for those that don't know. It was funny just driving through Wisconsin and passing like some public golf courses this past week. I grew up in Columbus, Ohio for those that don't know. And I was just like, oh, that looks like a course I played in high school. Oh, that looks like a course I played in high school. Like all of these quirky little elevation changes that I just I do.
Starting point is 00:59:36 I live in Florida. You just don't drive past a bunch of stuff that inspires you to want to go play golf or remind you of anything you sell it saw as a kid or anything like that. So, uh, gosh, and yeah, we'll have a ton of stuff on Aaron Hills, but that was, that was one of the more proper tests of golf. I think I've ever experienced of just like, dude, I mean, there was, as soon as you try to put your pedal down, like to try to like, all right, it's time for a birdie. Like you just made bogey like immediately, like you just got your hand caught in the cookie jar. If you want to pound a driver and get in the narrow
Starting point is 01:00:04 part of the fairway, go right ahead. But like the fescue is waiting up there and you're not gonna have a good time in it. But like, hey, if you want to like two iron, you can lay way back here and you can easily make part and like you just playing it. We played it twice and it was just got a couple different wind directions. I'm not gonna spoil anything here. But it is like as soon as you finish like, let me go do it again. Okay, I know do that. I can do that whole now I can do
Starting point is 01:00:24 it now. It's totally fair. I messed it up. Now I see it. I want to do it again. And I was just very, very, very impressed with Aaron Hill's first time I'd seen that one. It gets still, if you're still, if you're building off of the, you know, the bad rep it got from guys shooting 1600 to 2017 US Open, you're not doing golf right. Cause it's definitely a worthwhile place to. They're in chambers. I mean, it mean, it's you know, if anything, they just had they just had tournaments prematurely, I think, yeah, stoked to see the women play out there next year. And
Starting point is 01:00:52 yeah, having two different wind directions, like having two cracks at the same course with two different wind directions is really got wins like they did not get wind in 2017. Like we got wind, we got we got plenty of real wind. Like it was just like you're gonna, if you're keep your eyes peeled when that video comes out, if you want to see how Aaron Hills would have played in proper wind, we got it. So there's spots out there that kind of remind me of corn where, you know, it's, you know, Aaron Hills, there's a whole Irish motif out there,
Starting point is 01:01:19 but it's, it's pretty, uh, you know, it's, it's Irish in nature, not just in advertising as well. I'll say that. So speaking of another renovated or newish golf course, NCAAs. Omni Lacosta is the new host of the women's NCAAs and the men's NCAAs. Women's was this past week, came to conclusion this past week, Stanford women's golf team defeated UCLA
Starting point is 01:01:44 in the championship for their second title in three years, their third national title overall. Hopefully people have gotten a chance to see coach Ann Walker and the Stanford women's golf team in the documentary we did a couple of years ago, Week in the Life. Almost all the players from that have moved on except for I believe one, but some familiar faces in there. Your girl Meghagane was a deciding factor They, they, uh, some familiar faces in there. Your girl, Meghna Ghani was a deciding factor, uh, in the final matches. Rachel Heck, uh, won, uh, her match with, and, uh, Kelly Zhu were the three winners, uh, as they defeated UCLA, uh, in the finals to win their second national titles.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Yeah. It wasn't, wasn't close. They beat, they beat USC in the semis. They beat Auburn in the quarters, which Auburn was sneaky, sneaky, good coming in. And then, yeah, UCLA in the finals, uh, Sadie Engelman, I think that's right. That's what I was going for. Lone holdover from, uh, but yes, I mean, it seems like they've kind of replaced Rose and they will replace Rachel, which like, they just have like a bunch of like depth of just
Starting point is 01:02:43 like a bunch of number two players that are better than anybody else's number two players. Like they, I don't think they have that, that far and away number one, you're moving forward, but they just, they have seven or eight ladies that can, can go beat anybody's number one or number two player on any given day. So, and then the men, the men are going on right now. Men are going on now. That'll conclude, I believe on Wednesday of this upcoming week, again, it's some of the best work that the channel does. Channel formerly known as golf channel, but it's just called the channel now, but they do, you know, full, full context here too.
Starting point is 01:03:18 We did work for ESPN last week. Yep. Some additional context. We did work for ESPN on behalf of ESPN for Omaha Productions. Correct. All jokes aside, they do a great job with NCAA coverage and it's not PGA Tour, Commercial Fest. And it's such a great, such a relief. I know we work with Omni. You can take all this with a grain of salt, but it's, it is so nice to get away from Greyhawk and out to Omni the Costa, freshly renovated from Gill Hands. We have a video up on our YouTube channel with Cody and Cameron Young playing the golf course. Immediate reaction as soon as I saw it was like,
Starting point is 01:03:49 damn, I want to play this golf course. Watching it on TV this week and the depth of that place, just totally different than watching desert golf in May, which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. So check that out on the channel Monday through Wednesday this week. 54 hole cut this evening. Stanford missing by a mile.
Starting point is 01:04:07 They were 19 over today. Thor Bjornsson, who locked up number one in PGA Tour U. He and Phillips did not play well, nor did Barclay Brown today. So they emceed, other notable emcees, Oklahoma State. Looks like they're gonna miss out. Wake Forest is trying to climb in. Texas Tech's 600 today, they're going to miss out. Wake Forest is trying to climb in Texas Tech 600. They're trying to get in. So and then it'll go from top 15 to down to top eight
Starting point is 01:04:33 here. For Illinois is currently leading and Gordon Sargent's playing playing quite well on the on the individual side. He is he's currently T for Adam Wallen. This is just coming across the wire. It has been pointed out On the individual side, he's currently T4, Adam Wallin. This is just coming across the wire. It has been pointed out that the 10th place team in our live under war fantasy baseball league, the Oppo Tacos have won for the second consecutive week. That is of course Max Homa's team.
Starting point is 01:04:59 He was claiming in our chat that the corrupt golf media would not mention that he has won his second straight fantasy matchup. He will, it does appear he will still be in last place a good maybe 12 games behind the ninth place team, but he has won in fact in back-to-back weeks, but he's still I believe 23 games back out of the last playoff spot. But a lot of season left to go and his team is very, very, very hot right now. Interesting. Interesting. DJ and I pulled off a huge trade earlier this week too. Massive trade. Massive. DJ tweeted about the foundation entirely. DJ tweeted it. Yeah. The
Starting point is 01:05:35 whole thing. Me, both me and Randy got blank this week. It's not great. We're not going to, we're not going to update you on the whole fantasy situation. This coming week, us women's open a week on the LPGA side at Lancaster. We're going to have a preview podcast, I believe out Tuesday evening, maybe sometime earlier on Tuesday, if not overnight, Tuesday into Wednesday. We'll have a happy hour on Wednesday. We'll have a live show on Friday night, live recap on Sunday night. We'll also have an interview podcast that comes out this Thursday.
Starting point is 01:06:02 So we are right back on the grind pumping out the content this coming week. RBC Canadian Open Week on the men's side, Live Golf is off. Torasos Episode 7 is out this week from Royal Melbourne West. There are just two episodes left in the season. If you are looking to binge to catch up, now is the time. You'll probably get caught up right about time for the conclusion next week at Kingston Heath. And lastly, we'll be recording Episode 2 of the Seamsters Union on the trap draw this coming week, the baseball pod as the Reds sweeping the Dodgers this past week. Is it? We got a question from your fun uncle. Is this the turnaround?
Starting point is 01:06:38 It was all in Smartens mentions about that one. We had a weird, very weird week. Reds still stick, but we're on the rebound. I'll just say it's RBC Canadian Open Week. What is going to happen? What announcement is Big J and the squad gonna have that they've been saving for RBC Canadian Open Week for Hamilton Golf Club
Starting point is 01:07:00 or Golf and Country Club, which is a great venue, I will say that's a little bit farther from Toronto. I think they announced this week that they're going to have the TPC Toronto is going to host I believe next year, the RBC Canadian Open, which is up Northwest of Toronto. Neil and I, when we lived in Toronto growing up, we used to go skiing up there at Caledon. So curious to see that next year. But I also heard some things earlier this week slash last weekend about Monahan and board stuff. Of course, I think this was post. It happened on the show, I think, Sunday night last year
Starting point is 01:07:38 about Flaherty. Flaherty was drawing. Yeah. So we'll see what happens here moving forward. I mean, they scrubbed his name from the, the tour policy board, you know, kind of roster very, very quickly from that. So we'll see what happens, how they replace him moving forward. So Thank you everyone for tuning in. Thank you to TC KVV for popping on. Our friends at Titleist asked us this evening to just kind of you know pass on their ad space at the very top but we of course pass along our condolences as well to the Grayson Murray's family. A shout out to our friends at Travelers and to Mizzouho as well. Like I said we have a lot of content coming this week we will
Starting point is 01:08:22 see you live on a bunch of our shows and check out our YouTube on Wednesday evening, 9 p.m. Eastern for episode seven of Toursauce season nine in Australia. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you back here late this week. Cheers. Crack on. ["Be the Right Club"]
Starting point is 01:08:37 Be the right club today. ["Be the Right Club"] Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different?

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