No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 859 - Travelers/KPMG Women's PGA Happy Hour (+ Will Zalatoris Interview)

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

A signature event and a women's major this week, as the PGA Tour heads to TPC River Highlands for the Travelers, and the women head west to Sahalee for the KPMG Women's PGA Championship. We try to get over our U.S. Open hangover, catch up on some of the #discourse around Rory and Bryson since Sunday, talk about our picks for the weeks at both events, check in with Nelly, and more. Will Zalatoris also joins (48:45) to chat about his status, his experience with major championship heartbreak, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, I actually got iced tea all over my keyboard doing that. Welcome back to the No Lying Up live show Happy Hour presented as always by our friends at high noon. Solly here, the czar, Neil Schuster is here. Hello, Neil. Good afternoon, Solly. It's a hot one up here in the Northeast. Fired up to talk some golf with you. Florida hot? Yeah, real hot. Maybe even Texas hot.

Shout out to Cody. Big Randy is here. Hello, Mr. Big. Hey guys. Neil, I hope you get the weather in a couple days. That's out in Denver right now. 73 degrees and sunny. Chamber of Commerce day. Knock it off, Randy.

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I, you know what? I have been on this high, I think since Sunday. I've had like the two of the most online days I've had in forever. I've been- You were in the replies. Deep in Twitter replies, having discussions. I just think it's fascinating. I continue to think, you know,

the human element that we saw unfold on Sunday at Pinehurst is just fascinating. There's tons of interesting topics to dive into. So I actually feel like more enthused than I felt in a long time. Randy, I saw you mixing up in the block party thread on the refuge, on our message board the block party thread on the refuge on our message board.

Exactly. You've been like, yes, very online, which is great to see. I love it when the big man gets fired up. He's contagious. Right. And I think you made some good points. I, you know, I enjoy talking about this stuff with you. Sally, I was out of the titles photo shoot on Monday up at Wampanoag country club up

by the travelers. And I think, I mean, maybe it's rubbing off on me, but just fascinating to spend some time with these guys. I mean, a lot of them were pretty worn out. It sounded like some guys trying to call in sick, but everybody showed up. And once you get them talking about golf and the process and transitioning from Bermuda to Benckgrass, they, you know, I think maybe that's why I'm fired up weirdly for this week. golf in the process and transitioning from Bermuda to Bentgrass. I think maybe that's why I'm fired up weirdly for this week.

The signature event's working for me. I said a couple weeks ago I was worried about the hangover of like, is that going to feel like a big event? I feel like I'm more fired up for this week than I was for Memorial. I said this after the Masters rolling right into RBC. It was like, just wait till Sunday. If you're not ready for more golf right now, that's fine. I'm not exactly ready. I might not be ready by Friday. I might I'm not begging to sit in front of my TV and watch a lot more but by Sunday we'll be thankful

that we have we have a women's major coming to conclusion on Sunday evening. Could be in prime time but it's not. That's really unfortunate. And then we've got the Travelers as well. There'll be plenty of golf to choose from this weekend and I don don't know, we're gonna get into that signature event model, because I'm a little annoyed with some of the discourse around it. I might have to put my D-rider hat on for that one, but we'll get there. Let's circle back on US Open. Kind of been left reflecting of just everything from this past week. Were we too easy, too nice on Brysonson which is a weird thing to say out loud

Were we too hard on Rory and and ready that's been a lot of you what you've been chatting about online in the last couple days just Any additions or edits to the discourse that you've seen kind of flow out Jimmy Fallon? You know the whole Bryson tour and the Bryson kind of crowning that's going on. Oh boy, um the whole Bryson tour and the Bryson kind of crowning that's going on. Oh boy. Um, I, listen, I, I think it's fascinating, like I said, and I've I've read many good points to every effect made by a lot of people. I appreciate, uh, it's not often you can have some sincere back and forth on

Twitter, which I did really appreciate. Um, I think where I net out I feel like Calling Rory out for skipping media or at least like not really displaying any sportsmanship there at the end I feel totally comfortable with that. I understand the the point people make, you know, obviously he's crushed If if if it's a flight or or flight, you know, he's, he's just looking to take off. I get all that, but I, I still think. I don't think we've been too hard on him. Uh, the Bryson, you know, Bryson, I think is just a fascinating character

because he, in him, you can see kind of whatever you want to see. You can read it one way and it's like, you know, hey, he's an entertainer. He's, he's given time to kids. He's got a popular YouTube channel. Like that stuff's all wonderful. Like legitimately, like I think that's good stuff. Or you can look at him and be like, Hey man, is this just an act? Is this who he truly is? And, you know, if that's your opinion, I, I, I'm not here to like talk you off of that. I just think it makes for really fascinating conversation. I guess what I've been also really just curious about is, you know, the idea of, hey, these

guys are humans, right? They're out there, it's sport, We need to show them some grace and kindness. And you know, Shane Lowry had a great social media post yesterday to that effect with regards to Rory. And I was quite shocked. I missed Sally Jenkins' column in the Washington Post. I read it this morning and holy shit, that was some fire she was throwing at Bryson. So I don't know, I'm kind of back to like, where are we supposed to show grace and compassion to whom are we supposed to show grace and compassion I don't have the answers but it is interesting just kind of looking around the wider landscape in golf here a couple days after Pinehurst. It is

interesting and I think you know some of the some of the feedback we've gotten was like why are you so hard on Rory like he's giving you guys so Much you know so much over the years He gives the media so much over the years and I think it part of the part that bothered me about that was like look that that doesn't mean that You're not you're gonna treat somebody with kid gloves, right? That they've earned the he's earned the benefit of the doubt in a lot of situations But he's gonna get the same treatment on that as if Brooks Kepka had skipped media if Bryson had skipped media It's all kind of this thing of I and I get the whole argument like we're gonna say anything interesting

It's like I think the people were ready to empathize for him, right? And to you know, I don't think people are ready for like, you know to be scream for him to be screamed at and call Him a choker or anything like that. It was like a chance for, you know, just a quick reflection on that and a congratulations to Bryson. He did release us, you know, a statement this week to announce a withdrawal, you know, from the travelers, which I think we have handy as well. It's very small on my screen,

but he said yesterday was a tough day. Probably the toughest I've had in nearly 17 years as a professional golfer. Finally, I'd like to congratulate Bry and he's a worthy champion exactly what professional golf needs right now. I think we can all agree on that as I reflect on my week I'll rue a few things over the course of the tournament most of the two missed putts on 16 and 18 on the final day but as I always do I'll look to the positives of the week that far outweigh the negatives. As I said at the start of the

week I feel closer to winning my next major championship than I ever have. The one word that I would describe my career as is resilient I've shown my resilience over and over again in the last 17 years and I will again I'm gonna take a few weeks away from the game to process everything and build myself back up for my defense of the Genesis Scottish Open and the open at Royal trune. See you in Scotland That does that make any sense like I feel like You know just because somebody's been good to us or good to the content world in general,

it doesn't mean that you get a free pass on anything. And I feel pretty fair about all that. I do too. I would say you kicked it off as saying, are we being too hard on Rory and too, or too easy, what did you say? Too hard on Rory, too easy on Bryson? I would almost say, I feel like people online are thinking, I'm being too hard on Bryson and too easy on Bryson. I would almost say like, I feel like people online are thinking I'm too, I'm being too hard on Bryson and too easy on Roy. I'm definitely

Randy. Like I echo what you were saying on Sunday night. I was disappointed that Rory didn't stick around. He's not doing himself any, I guess I'm almost disappointed because I feel like he's making it harder on himself. Is it disappointed that he's not planning to the travelers? Yes. Like objectively, like, because I want to watch him play golf. But like, if that's what he's got to do, then, and he wants to, you know, there's gonna be baggage and chirping that comes along with that. You know, if you've been the guy telling everybody to, we got to play together more. And then when it's not convenient or, you know, when it hurts for you to do it, you know, actions do speak louder than words. But I think he's probably at a point where he's like, I don't give a shit, man. I gotta take care of myself and get myself ready.

And if that's what he decides to do, then you won't hear, you know, I don't think I need to relitigate it or anything. There's nothing I'm gonna do about it. I think I was surprised, like the statement that he released didn't have, there was no regret on anything. You know, there was no reflecting of like, you know, I should have congratulated,

I should have congratulated Bryson or I should have stuck around. There was neither of those two things, which again, maybe it doesn't really fucking matter and we can all move on from it, but. It both doesn't matter and it does matter. And it just depends like what lens you wanna look at it through, right?

Like macro life speaking, no, it doesn't matter. But if we like care about some of the customs and qualities of the game of golf, like almost uppercase G golf, then there's almost an expectation of decorum or how you should act in that situation, which I think he didn't live up to. And Neil, like you said,

it's almost like the biggest bummer is for him. And I honestly think the biggest bummer is for his fans a little bit because I can think back to 2006. I'm a massive Phil Mickelson fan, wing foot, like such a devastating loss. And almost for me as a fan, like I appreciated Phil speaking and almost like bringing that whole experience, however traumatic it was as a fan to a close.

And also I think it's nice for a historical record, you know, 20, 30, 40 years from now, like Phil saying, I'm such an idiot and him at Wingfoot, like that lives on in the history of golf. And unfortunately for Rory, I think it's like what we're going to remember is like, like that, that lives on in the history of golf. And unfortunately for Rory, I think it's like, what we're going to remember is like, Oh yeah. You remember Rory like kicked gravel up on his way out of the parking lot after that. It's just not the greatest. It's like, he's not doing himself any favors. It's like,

I like super offended by it. No. Like would I be, if Brooks did it? No. But it'd still be like, Oh, well, you're not really helping yourself out here, man. It's like, if I was, I was on his team, I'd be like, Hey, maybe you should're not really helping yourself out here, man It's like, you know, if I was I was on his team I'd be like, hey, maybe you should stick around just like talk to a couple of these guys like it's It's gonna be better in the long run for you and on the flip side Bryson It I think it I've I think I'm guilty of this of zooming past like a lot of of what I actually think about the situation and willing to look past to enjoy the display he's been putting on in terms of like, yeah,

I probably overstated how much of a changed man he is. I don't think he's actually a changed man. I think he has figured out a way to manipulate people and to manipulate his image that relates to people. And it relates to kids and it relates to people that are just very unwilling to dig into his past or how he's treated people in the past. And I think it's very, very, it it's a front it's a hundred percent a front

but it's working and it's going to work on people and the fact that like we got a great email from somebody this past week that just like compared like what everything Rory just went through as like a Shakespearean tragedy in terms of like Rory stood up for what he believed in in the PGA tour and like has gotten nothing but harassment for it Bry believed in in the PGA Tour and has gotten nothing but harassment for it. Bryson left, went to live, you know, the Saudi-funded live league, they got people chanting USA at Rory as he misses putts on the 72nd hole. It's just like the flip of the fans, I guess, or the crowd, I don't even know if you call

them fans, but the flip of the crowd towards Bryson and really, really buying into this image shift is remarkable. Like, I can't believe he's managed to do fans, but the flip of the crowd towards Bryson and really really buying into this image shift Is remarkable like I can't believe he's managed to do this from help the depths of hell that he was in in terms of his image I got a few things here I've thought a lot about it because I had some things to say about it on Sunday and part of me Like first off I want to reiterate like it's all like watching Bryson play golf I thoroughly enjoy it the golf it you know when it's The golf, when it gets turned up to 11 with how he breaks the fourth wall, it starts to feel manipulative, manufactured, whatever you want to call it.

I think there's a lot of people that don't want to dig that deep. Like you said, they don't want to think that critically about it. I almost wish I didn't. I wish I could enjoy it a little bit more, but it doesn't. I don't know. It just feels inauthentic for me. I struggle with that a little bit, but I think he deserves a ton of credit. I think he really is good for the game to have him with two US Opens and the way he plays. It is exciting. with two US Opens and the way he plays, it is exciting. I'm glad that he's back in the mix, I guess. Even for me personally, maybe as a villain, right? That's okay.

But I don't wanna tell anybody else that if you enjoy the Bryson stuff and you find it endearing and funny, that's, I think, there's no right answer there. It's just for me it comes across as You know, we're working it comes across the way I explained it to you guys I think in slack recently was like it's like the mr. Beastification of the world Yeah

It's like we have the joke about like make sure you like and subscribe and tell us in the comments what you want to see Next it just feels like Bryson's living his life. I'm like what people in the comments are saying they like it's like Oh, they like it when it when I sign autographs during the round, let me sign like 1,500 more. Let's get as many hands on this trophy as possible. It's just like, hey, God, man, maybe just a little bit of moderation. And I guess that maybe that makes me sound like no fun,

but it's just like a little bit too much for me to enjoy. And this part of the email, I'll keep the name private just in case because it's a private email, but he finishes the email by saying, he sets up this whole part of the story and he says, the sick part is though, is the guy who sued him,

yelled at camera crews and rules officials, this is a guy who sued Rory essentially, decided to become a pawn of the Saudi government, among other things, is now one of the most popular players in the world. Bryson has not apologized to Rory or any PGA guys for his antics, but here he is. Populars can be while Rory looks like a cry baby cry baby for dipping out due to

him not giving a fuck anymore. Like in terms of like what's what's the worst thing here? Like leaving, leaving the PGA tour and suing all the PGA tour players, uh, you know, on top of many other things or like not talking to the media one time after a devastating loss, like compare the two and the treatment that they're currently getting from the golf world is where I'm like, yo, this is so fucked. It still is, but I'm guilty of it too. Cause I'm excited. I don't want to like hate Bryson forever. I don't have that energy to do it.

I want to celebrate this version of him and people are just willing to look past this stuff and kind of create their own narratives. I will. One other thing I'll say to his credit, like you said, I don't think he's a changed man. I wouldn't say fully, but I do. I definitely think he's matured and I definitely think he's reflected. Has that led to maybe him like, yeah, you know, reading the comments and amping up like what is going to make him popular?

Like in a way that I find manipulative. Yes, but it is, it is progress. I mean, it is, he deserves credit for his progression as a person. And I think he's been very savvy. Like you can say black and white, like this is success for him, which is great. And I want to say again, like congrats on winning the US Open. That was the best golf tournament I've watched since, I think since we've been doing no laying up. I feel like, I mean, we could, maybe in a different pod, we could go through like, what would be in the running. Yeah. I mean, again, I feel like on the one hand, this is probably a

lot of the same conversations we've been having for,, three years going on four years, so not a lot of new territory here. I do find it interesting and I don't think we're going to answer this debate, but one of the things I would kind of drill into is if Bryson is kind of putting on an act between the ropes, right? Does that, how much does that matter to somebody that, you know, hey, 10 year old kid, he gets a Bryson autograph, Bryson's nice to him. Like, that's still a very true interaction for the person. It's better than being a dick. I would say it's not even between the ropes. And that's what I would hear about Mikkelsen. Randy, I don't think it's like he's not the guy from 10 Cup

that's like mean to old people and dogs off the course. Like I think he's probably this way like off the course too. It's just, it still feels a little bit like, I don't know, inauthentic is the word that keeps coming to mind. It just, it feels a little, like, or it's just, it's a case by case, I guess it's person to person. Like I just don't find them like very cool. I don't know.

I mean, it's hard for me to like, be like, Oh yeah, keep doing that brother. Great comment there from virtually said hardcore fans won't forget, but casuals are all in I guess. Yeah. That's, that's really well said. I think it, it, it, you know, my father-in-law is like, Oh man, that guy, price him man, like he's, he's a strapping young lad, you know, like he's mashing on the ball.

Like it is, it's engaging. And here's where I guess I net out. Listen, I watch golf, especially men's pro golf as an entertainment product. I am of the age and to the point where it's like, I'm not sure a single result is gonna really affect me on a Sunday afternoon, like personally, personally. And so I love Bryson here.

And if you want to hate Bryson, go ahead and hate Bryson. Like it's fun to root against people in sport. That's part of like watching and caring about professional sports. So I'm not saying like everybody has to like Bryson. I just want to be really careful. And I guess I'm just almost awakening to like, I just want us to be maybe

more fair and how we treat and talk about a Bryson rather than, you know, some other guy, right? It's like if we can all move to a more standard applying of judgments and things like that, I think that will help everybody. But at the end of the day, yeah, if you want to root against guys, like hell yeah, that's the fun of it. But it's not hate, Randy, it's more eye roll for me. And like, ah, just a little less. And I- For you, I guess some of the comments online

is like, dude, no, people freaking hate Bryson. And I guess that's where I point back to the Washington Post, Sally Jenkins column. Like that is a scathing, scathing op-ed that she dropped Monday after he won. DJ equated it to the ball that Ellie did, the cruise through 106 mile an hours into the crowd, into the stands.

That was a very fast ball. I'm not sure it hit the mark, but it was thrown very fast. Yeah, and I don't really have the energy to like, you know, go to that level. Yeah. You know, I mean, maybe I'm just a little beaten down on it though. But Sally, you bring up like, you know, go to that level. Yeah. You know, I mean, maybe I'm just a little beaten down on it. But so you bring up like, when you talk about being fair, though, Randy, it's like,

do we wipe the slate clean? But I mean, that the his actions over the last four or five years do have to influence how you feel about him a little bit. Like, you know, and I think it's lazy to just say, oh, he's changed. It's like, ah, I don't know if it's like change. It's like, yeah, he's matured. He's progressed. I'll give him credit for that. But it's like, I don't know, man. There's a lot we go, we go down the list.

He's done a lot of stuff where it's like, that's that stinks. You know, the guy I come back to is just tiger and how not only we, but I think the general golf media, um, you know, in my opinion, I think Tiger has like done real harm to more people than Bryson has in their lives. And I know Tiger got beat up plenty. I'm not saying Tiger didn't receive criticism, but we've all kind of moved on and we talk about Tiger in glowing terms and there's been so many like rehab,

image rehab things and is Tiger this new guy? And it's just like, we can get there quickly with guys like Tiger, but I'm curious if we're ever gonna be able to get there with a guy like Bryson. And we'll see, that's kind of my point is just like, I feel like, you know,

if he keeps winning, he's really gonna get guys at the end of the day. If he keeps winning, I think that's gonna help. So one last thing on the US Open, I saw Ram's comments on, well, the broadcast was sick, but more importantly on how difficult Rory's putt was at the end. And that was echoed by three other pros on Monday that I talked to, all separate, like saying, like kind of on their own, like, yo, people don't understand, like that putt stunk. And I was like, oh man, you know, I, in the moment I thought it was hard, but they were like, you know, they broadcast got that wrong and like it didn't, they didn't really set that

up. And I set up anything the entire day thinking about too. That's why we were upset about him. Like, you know, like again, if I'm roaring, I'm fucking pissed about that too. And I don't want that to be an excuse for, you know, cause all three of those pros also said, yeah, but you got to make it. Yeah. You know, we've got to find a way to get that in the hole. Yeah. You got to hit it with. They all said that like, Ron, like that putts going five feet by if you play it left,

you know, left edge, right. And it's just, you know, it just, that putt sucks. So I thought that was interesting. And the data golf, uh, just closing closing the book in the US Open data golf newsletter this week, they they had, you know, just tracked like Rory's like win probability of his of his five best chances to win win majors over the last, you know, going back to 2018. You know, he got he got to 77% at one point in the back nine

before poking three of his last four is at 71% the open chip and chip when he after he finished the 10th hole on Sunday, he had a 50% chance at LACC. He continues on to say like the probability of closing out zero of them is about 2%. About a 2% chance that Rory would have not gotten one major out of those five opportunities that he's had. It's kind of like the numbers were with your guy

big tone for so long. That's what I'm saying. And what happened shortly after that? You never know. Got Northern Trust, man. What a huge, massive playoff win. It was huge. Massive win. I want to shout out Dylan to chair.

I thought he had a great nugget on that Rory putt. Rory had talked about at the Masters, you know, he has a, he has a tendency sometimes to raise his putter as he's coming through the putt and almost to hit the ball on the equator or just above it. And you look at that zoomed in putt on the 72nd hole and he kind of did exactly what he had told everybody back in April.

I thought that was a great kind of like, hey, he said this a couple months ago and we can see it in action. A few other news notes, PJ Tours amending some rules. They're amending the rule, the Jordan Spieth rule on DQs. They're adding 15 minutes on to, you know, if you've turned in the wrong scorecard, you have 15 minutes and you leave the scoring area,

15 minutes now to come back to it, which I think everyone was screaming at when that happened to Genesis. And now people are like, oh, and now Jordan Spieth gets it. And then all of a sudden the rule changes. It's like, all right, well, this is an improvement over. If you were mad about the archaic rule structure of needing to sign the scorecard,

you got 15 minutes to correct errors. But some- Let's do TIO next. Some nuance in there. We're not doing that today, Neil. Come on, we are not doing that. I'm talking to the rules committee. Why don't we address that?

Let's get into all the hits. Let's get into all the hits today a couple Tiger Woods is getting a lifetime exemption to signature events because he's won more than 80 times which I think is a great great rule And they're also they raised the minimum field number to 72 guys in signature events, which I think is a good Necessary adjustment no need to no need to just keep the keep the number low for you know arbitrary reasons but flipping over to travelers we're gonna talk a little travelers and we're gonna talk some KPMG women's PGA we are going to we've an interview near the end of this with Wills Althorst he gave us a call from travelers but short 10-minute interview to close things out but you

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I do. I got a little intro for you, Sully. I went back and I read a blog post from 2014 on a little website called nolangup.com written by one Chris Solomon. Before we get into this, the title of the name on those is not reflective necessarily of all the words that were written in this before we get there. I'm not gonna read the title,

I just wanna read the intro paragraph. My name does not mean I wrote all of this. If my name's the byline, yes. True, you have the byline. Don't cancel me is what I'm saying. It was a team effort, but quote, well, we're through two majors now. The year of Bubba has taken a back seat to Martin Kimer, who backed up his May players championship with a, with a, a win by boat racing the field at

Pinehurst and capturing his second career major. If you think this season is halfway over with two majors down and two to go, you're Chris Berman wrong. This tournament always conjures images of former champ JJ Henry in his patented purple. See that's TC. That's not me. In fact, JJ Henry is a damn near perfect champion for the Travelers. Nice guy, non-threatening, and utterly forgettable. So my question to you guys over the last 10 years, what is your memory of this tournament or does it still just conjure memories of JJ Henry?

You know, for a tournament I like, what comes to mind of course is the rough next to the green on 15, that strip of rough that holds up all the drivable par four. I'm hoping one year that the Travis will just invite us out and just like let me mow it down for just one other round. Maybe Sunday we just get out there and we mow down that strip of rough because that's my strongest memory is getting into Twitter fights with people about that strip of rough. Randy? I've been impressed.

I feel like over the last 10 years, the travelers and credit to the people that run the tournament and to travelers, even before it was made a signature event, I felt like they were always continually trying to elevate this event. And I always thought coming right after a major tough time on the calendar. Um, but they, up until the signature event, they, they always gave out really

interesting exemptions, oftentimes to some amateurs or young guys. Um, I think my enduring memory though, is this where, I mean, I know we were praying for Ted Scott a lot, but was this like kind of the culmination with the Bulba meltdown the one year? This club is in the water, it's in the water. Yeah, that's right. So that's kind of what I still think about

when we made a traveler. Call out Ken Dukes win in 2013 in the playoff over Chris Stroud. I know you're a big Ken Duke fan. Chris Stroud, that's a name too, wow. Yeah, I know. Spherax 58, I mean, Sahith's bunker collapse there. Yeah, I was gonna say Sahith.

I think, I always feel like there's a good finish here and a passionate one, like Keegan winning. I mean, even though Sahith didn't win, it was passionate and exciting. Like playoff that went on forever and ever with Harris English and, um, Kramer, Hickok, Kramer, Hickok, like what they had, like six whole offers. I think it was eight. Yeah. Right. I remember. Cause we were actually,

I think it was a three of us doing the pod and we, it just, it wouldn't end. It just kept going. We were just waiting for it to end. So, uh, I, and the other thing talking to some of these players on Monday, uh, I'd say set like three, four, five of them. I was like, Hey, is this a normal stop for you? And they're like, yeah, I love this tournament. I was like, what do you like about it? And all of them said, it's, it's one of the best, uh, run events on tour is like, they just do a really good job hosting us like the golf course. Nobody said they love the golf course. I said they liked the golf course. Uh, but you the golf course. They said they liked the golf course. But they just feel like they look forward to this stop.

Like Wyndham Clark, it was his first event on tour, saw his first event. Like he told me he's dying to win this event. So he's fired up this week. So I feel like when we look back, I don't know if we turn into a global tour in five years, all this stuff they're talking about with, in the game of golf,

it's like, this is the kind of stop that might be like, oh, those were the good old days a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it's a different style because it's, can we kind of go through this little stretch here with Memorial and I mean, you never what's gonna happen with the US Open in terms of golf course, but Memorial and Travelers,

both golf courses emphasize driving accuracy more than they do driver distance, right? And it's kind of brings more names into it, can bring a little bit different excitement level into it. This image is courtesy of our friends at Data Golf, which is to show you like, yeah, the punishment for hitting it out of the fairway, it's, you know, 7,000-yard golf course. It's going to yield birdies, scores going to be low, they always are here, and I know they've made a couple tweaks to the golf course, but... This just kind of just transitions into a question

I just am having about People are that are mad that there's a signature event this week like would it be better if it was the rocket mortgage this week Like would you rather have a week off? Signature event and then straight into Scottish which a lot of guys are gonna play them straight into the open like I don't think Players would have loved that I think they'd rather take, there's John Deere's in there as well. I don't know. I guess I'm a little annoyed about some of the discourse around the signature events

because we're not gonna pretend like this isn't the best like PGA Tour events we've ever seen in terms of fields that have gotten together and the collection of talent that all gets together into this structure. It's never been like this in pro golf. Like why does everyone hate every aspect of these? Why does everyone hate, you know,

nitpicking or focusing so much on the sponsor exemptions and ignoring the actual competition level of it, whining about who doesn't get in the field when there are multiple opportunities to play into it. I guess I'm just kind of like, dude, what do you think golf can be? Can it really be that much better than this on the PGA Tour? Like it's an entertainment product.

Sure, it's a little bit forced, but like I don't get why the energy around these things is so negative. Because it's change, number one. That's fair. And then, you know, it's yeah, they have messed up some details. I think, I mean, mainly it's always a reminder though of like, not all the best players are together.

Well, yeah, but it's the best they can currently do. I know, but I think that's just, I think the bitterness that people have about that is being taken out on like, well, yeah, this, this signature event thing sucks. It's like, well, no, just kind of the current state of pro golf sucks. You know, it's like, so it's, it's almost like, uh, kind of catching a stray. I'm I, like I said at the top, I'm, I'm more excited than I thought I would be. I think, uh, you know, I was talking to Max. He was like, I'm actually excited than I thought I would be. I think, you know, talking to Max, he was like, I'm actually excited that it is a nice little three, you know, three tournaments in a row stretch, and then he's going to take a little time off. Right now, those guys can actually stack

a couple of off weeks, you know, the calendar is almost a little more clear with them back to back to back like this. So I don't really have a problem with it. Yeah. I listen, I think the sponsors exemption stuff like web getting like that. There is a discussion to be had there. It's bad. Outweigh. No. Yeah. That's my point. Does that outweigh the event itself? No. So I get what you're saying there, Sully. And Neil, I kind of side with you as well. Like, I think people are just kind of down on PGA Tour and Pro Golf. And it's an easy outlet to take their frustrations out. I weirdly think, let me ask you this, I'm not even sure. And I think the closest comp would be Harbor Town, Hilton Head. Both kind of have turned into signature events, both coming right after major championship weeks. I liked Hilton Head being a signature event

just because that course is so unique to the week to week on the PGA Tour that I really enjoy seeing some guys play there that wouldn't otherwise if it weren't a signature event. I feel like Travelers would be like a fun little tournament even if it weren't a signature event. I feel like travelers would be like a fun little tournament, even if it weren't a signature event. Like this is the one I it's probably great for the event and for the people running it. But for me, I'm not sure I need this to be a signature event.

I feel like maybe they could put a signature event somewhere else in the calendar. Yeah, that's fair. I just think on that. I think, yeah, like my point earlier of like all the players like it, they love how they get hosted. Well, that doesn't really impact the golf ban. So that's a good point, Randy. Like, yeah, maybe a more interesting course or, I mean, it's just, it is going to be tough to see these guys go.

You know, it's like Memorial to Pinehurst is completely different. Look, this awesome golf course, obviously that we loved, and watching the ball on the ground, and then back into kind of your typical long rough, firm green, bouncing in the long rough, pretty straight forward setup is not ideal. It's just judged on different scale though, right? I mean, it's like of PGA tour courses,

this is better than 50th percentiles for me. I mean, it's, you know, it's not my favorite, but it's, it's, it's on the positive end of the spectrum, I guess. But yeah, Webb getting another sponsor exemption. I, there's nothing I can say that we haven't already said of just like, it's tough. It's just like, just I can't imagine caring this little about optics, like both for him and the tour and these events that are doing this, like truly, like if, yeah if yeah, I don't know why he would want to do I get why he'd want to do this for the money and for the free whatever it is, but dude, it's such a horrible look. And it's really in this time where you're trying to figure some shit out and like you need to make some concessions like

being a leader. This is not being a leader. This is absolutely not being a leader and it should not be happening. But Michael Thorbjornsson got a sponsor exemption. Anyways we don't need to spend a ton of time on that but anyway some of the guys that get a boost on this golf course are the Lucas Glover, Brendan Todd, Sepp Straka, Morkaowa Types, Russell Henley, Austin Eckrode, just the guys that get the little accuracy boost from our friends at Data Golf. Also this week so we front loaded everything with travelers as we had an entire preview podcast

go out this morning or overnight last night. I forget which one on the KPMG Women's PGA, which is this week at Sahale. Please check that out in your podcast feed. And we got a question here from Psalm Betts Fives that thoughts on a very aggressively tree line course like Sahale in comparison to wire grass like what we saw at at Pinehurst. I'm curious, I'm adding on to this question of do you guys feel differently about a golf

course like this teeing up for the women's game compared to the men's game? The pictures are incredible. So Holly is either I've never seen a golf course like this. It's like a full length golf course. Billion. That's so unnerving for me to look at. The F15 ball would get eaten alive all day long. So to answer your question, I think in doses, show me that. Show me like what I'm looking for out of the PGA Tour, LPGA Tour schedule is just like the diversity of golf. Like show me all of

it. Like, cause I don't want Memorial to go away just because it looks like a lot of other courses. I just want that. I just want less of that and more of something like Pinehurst and more of something tree line, like they all a mountain course, you know, like stuff on the, on the water. Like, I just want to see all the different types. I want to see these players play all different types of golf courses. Yeah. Neil, you took the words out of my mouth. I was going to say I love the variety. I love going from Pinehurst and the way it looked aesthetically and the challenges it presented to now.

We get a major test on the women's side where it's tight, it's claustrophobic, it's tree-lined, it's just a totally different visual. I think that's fun to kind of see the wide variety of golf courses. I agree and I'm in a total wait and see in terms of how this is going to play, right? Like is it going to create entertaining golf shots? It's it I mean Lancaster is going to be impossible to beat honestly with just kind of how much they nailed that setup in terms of the most recent women's major and I'd be really impressed. Have you guys heard anything much about the firmness of the golf course?

A challenge presented with a tree line setup like this is getting the course to dry out and getting the wind to blow in there enough to dry it out. What are we hearing about the setup? So I was just texting with our young hitter, Lauren Coughlin, earlier today, and I was asking her, how's the course plan? What are your expectations for scoring?

And she said, approaches, excuse me, I would say, you know, besides like these tight driving corridors, anything, you know, that you think is going to be key. And she said, definitely approach play since the greens are starting to firm up. She said they aren't big, middle of the green will always be good. And yeah, tough scoring for sure this week. So, hopeful, you know, always in the Pacific Northwest, you don't know about rain and how much rain they've been having, but man, if they could get the Greens firm,

I think it will be interesting golf and I think ultimately entertaining golf. Just like Cody taking those images off the screen, like lowered my stress level a little bit. Like it was just making me anxious looking at that. The trees are magnificent. So like, if these were just boring looking trees, I don't know if I could get excited about this.

The trees just are truly some of the most like aesthetically pleasing trees you'll ever see on a golf course. Yeah, it's not like Firestone, right? No, yeah. Like tree line, but in a boring way. I feel like the stuff we're seeing out of Sahale is like, holy shit. That's like magnificent

Sophie Walker sent a question and said would love love to see Nellie and Lillia teeing it up alongside each other round one and One to missed a trick there. I don't know if that's not quite My nomenclature I would choose. I don't know if that's a missed opportunity. Maybe I believe but yeah Obviously decided against this deliberately. Yeah you guys tell me what you think you know we got I can remember it more distinctly on the men's side but sometimes where they would pair like Tiger and Phil together in rounds one and two or I just always feel like the rounds one and two stuff came up short when it was like oh my god we're gonna put the three best players in the world together. I don't mind splitting them I'd honestly I got to double check

I think they're in different waves even Nelly andillia and listen if they're both playing good golf I'm confident they'll they'll be somewhat together on the weekend, which would ultimately be what everybody wants Yeah, it is more of a bailout for TV than it is necessarily for fans at home like in you know fans at home should expect anyone to be near the top of the world rankings to be covered in their early rounds. And I think they do end up doing that just to, for an event that has struggled to get enough cameras out there, I have no idea what to expect from the production this week. But it would have made things a lot easier as far as presenting it.

But Nellie is off at 811 and 128 on Thursday and Friday with Ronnie Yen and Hannah Green. Coverage doesn't start till, I mean, I assume that's 811 local, so we'll call it 1111 Eastern. Coverage doesn't start anywhere. It's on Peacock at 4 p.m. Eastern. So I'm not even sure how much of that Nellie caught around

anybody's gonna be able to see on Thursday. Will they have feature groups? But I don't think apart from the the telecast you know I don't think they have like morning feature group streaming. Wow. Cody can jump in here if I'm wrong but that's my understanding. I think that's right. I mean the broadcast starts 4 to 6 Peacock, 6 to 10 Golf Channel for both Thursday, Friday, and then Peacock NBC, then back to Golf Channel for the six to eight PM window on Saturday evening. And then Peacock 12 to three Sunday, and then three to seven, not a no finish in prime time. I'll be on the West Coast is honestly, I think it probably goes back to optics. Like if they put Lily and Nellie together, everybody's going gonna freak out cause you can't watch one of their rounds. And now it's like, well, hey, everybody can,

you can watch Lily a Thursday and then Friday you can watch Nellie. So it's, yeah. It's just bad. We got a clip from Nellie talking about, I mean, you watch this, you watch, you look at those pictures that fair way. You're like, how are these players

gonna play this golf course? We got a good question and a good answer from from Nellie on her strategy. Really narrow off the tee and for a player that I know likes hitter driver I mean how many drivers are you gonna be taking this week and what kind of golf are you trying to play out here with that narrow those narrow tee shots? Yeah I'm still gonna be aggressive there's a couple holes where I can't hit driver but I'm majority of the where I can't hit driver but majority of the round I will be hitting driver just because you don't want a longer club

into these greens. I mean yes the tee shots are pretty intimidating but the greens you know the second shot in is pretty tough as well. So overall I mean you're you know if you have the length you you may as well you have to hit it and this is a type of golf course where You just got a sack up and hit your driver Sully I have to laugh because in our chat we were like flagging some some good quotes and I Wrote like oh Nellie says you got a sack up and and Sully was like Randy I thought you were just like joking about that. She actually said that. I did not

think that was going to be your actual phrasing. But I mean, that's that's a fascinating just storyline in general. Can you can Nelly jam drivers down down these corridors and can can you know, probably whoever's going to win this tournament is going to be a decently long hitter that can jam the driver pretty far down there. So I'm excited to official Official winner picks, let's go around the horn. Let's see, let's hear your official winner picks. Then we'll make our official fan duel plays.

Then we'll get to Will Zala Taurus here. But Rainey, who's gonna win? I won't change from the preview. I was like looking for every reason to pick somebody besides Nellie, but I'm coming back to Nellie. I just think, you know, couple of missed cuts coming into this event. I think she's

listening to her speak. Like that doesn't have her down. I think she felt good about the way she hit it last week. So give me Nellie Cordo. Oh, you know, I'm taking Nellie on the road to 11. We need to hit some mile markers here. I got to it Nelly. I gotta have it. No. So maybe if I'm the cooler maybe I should pick somebody else but yeah give me Nelly. I totally forgot about that. I don't know how I had but that's just because we all picked Scotty ahead of the the US Open and he didn't win I'm gonna avoid us falling into this trap. Randy you got me on Lilia Vu. I've never been a huge Lilia Vu believer but every at every stop with the injury you've cautioned of like hey wait to Lilia wait to Lilia and she's back she won last week and I don't love the way

Nellie's hitting it right now coming off to the two consecutive miss cuts. I'm gonna take Lilia I'm gonna ride the hot hand she's like 25 to 1 or plus 2500 going into this one so yeah she's not been healthy for a fair amount of time so I think it's fair that you know the world the world's kind of forgotten about her a little bit except for big yeah two two months off really since she had to withdraw from the chevron let's get to our our fan duel picks of the week of course you know the odds in here they're of course subject to change of course but we're gonna make it's I don't need to do my speech ahead of this because TC is

not on here today but there's just one pick you got one play to make for the week Randy's gonna go first what is your play of the week can be on men's or women's side yeah so I'm going KPMG and Vandal folks you kind of got to work to find the KPMG odds but they are up They have some groups laid out and I'm taking Megan Kang as the winner of group C, which she is competing against Charlie Hall, Ji-Yu Lin, Miu Yamashita, and Min-Ji Lee. I think Megan Kang, Justin Ray's had some fantastic stats the last couple of days, but Megan Kang actually leads the LPGA tour and strokes gained T2 green per round in majors over the last two seasons.

Uh, I just feel like she's somebody that plays well on difficult golf courses. And in that group, I like her at plus three 20. I feel like that's good value. Like that. Neil, what do you got? I am going with a little parlay. The Beluga is bringing a parlay at Travelers with some, I would say horses for courses. I don't think Data Golf would back up some of these horses, but guys that have played pretty well here. I've got Sahith for a top 20. I've got Victor Hovland for a top 20, and I have Xander Schauffli for a top 20. I've got Victor Hovland for a top 20 and I have Xander Schauffele for a top 20. The odds on that, I don't know if they're on the screen, but I think they were plus 320. I think

it might've gotten framed out there. Subject to change anyways. So, but I know like it's strokes gained heart. Sahith is a favorite this week. Literally told me how bad he wants to win it. So I don't know if driving accuracy is his forte, like data golf was telling us. But I also kind of part of the content we made on Monday was was Hovland was doing a basically a ball fitting and he's really struggled with his community spin to get all year. And he and the title this guy's working on, you know, five iron and he was just with all three different types of golf balls was getting his spin levels up. I mean, the guy is just in the lab and he was like getting really giddy. He's like, I haven't seen these numbers all year.

Like, are these, you know, like, basically like come find me tomorrow. Like we're going to do some more testing. So I think maybe Hovland found something. We're excited about that. If he's still trying to find something, I don't feel great about Hovland. I'm just going to say that. No, I mean, just from a numbers standpoint, he feels like he's been hitting the ball grade. He just couldn't get any spin. So he had to switch out of the Pro V1 and the Pro V1X for like Quail Hollow just for the week because he's like, otherwise I'm not going to make the cut. But then he was getting real spinning off the tee. Anyway, Zander obviously a winner here. I think he bounces back from a tough finish at the US Open

and continues to, I mean, any play I've made on Zander for a top 20 or top 10 this year has hit. So I feel good about that. Guys, there's a guy in the last five go rounds of this event that's finished T15, T11, T13, T13, T4. He also shot a 60 here at one point. And you can get him to be the winner without Scotty Scheffler, Xander Shofley and Roy McIlroy, which

is not nearly as valuable as it once may have been earlier in the week. He's it's Patrick Cantlay and he's plus 1400 to win the event without Scotty and Xander. He's plus 2000 plus 2000 to win it with, you know, otherwise. So I was like, all right, if he can finish top two or three with only those guys above him, I like those odds. So, he has some courses that he plays really, really well. Like Memorial, and this is one that's like anything you can get on Cantlay this week, I think is probably pretty good. Coming off good week last week, I'm all over that one. So

Coming in on the hotline. This is a completely live hit You know, I we're gonna have to drop Neil and Randy out for this But we have a a live interview coming in with wills altora says was not recorded earlier this morning at all But thank you so much will for joining the show live will play that and we'll see you guys in the other side of that so much will for joining the show live. We'll play that and we'll see you guys in the other side of that. Past the point where the first thing people ask about is your back and your health.

I feel bad making it the first question, but everyone's dying to know I'm dying to know still. What's the status? Yeah, I know. I wish that wasn't the first thing I get asked a bunch, but no, it's the first year, there's a lot of learning to be done. You know, like I've got to be on an epidural shot schedule. So that was why I had to pull out of the Nelson.

But it's just it's like I said, it's a lot of learning. Like I had all that time to work on my full swing and it felt really good and then start playing a bunch of golf and got in some bad habits and then really missing the cut last week was probably the best thing that could happen because I came up here to Connecticut early and was on the range for about five, six hours and got it all straightened out. So now it's just putting it together. You know, the broomstick has been amazing.

I haven't really putted that great on the kind of overseated Bermuda with the ride, but everything else has been really good. This week's Po'ana, which historically I've potted my best on. So yeah, I mean, it's just like I said, it's hard to be patient in a very impatient sport, but it's been turning in the right direction. So results haven't shown up the last few months, but I think really missing the cut last week

was kind of the turning point for me. I just answered like four of my questions right there. We all see we only see results right then but there's a good miss cutting a bad miss cut right there's weeks where you're like I'm not that far off. I just got to work on some things when when you say bad habits, what are some examples there and how do you how do you sort that out? Yeah, I mean, I always loved hitting kind of a low tide and I've been trying to get as rotational as I could, getting rid of some of that reverse C in the side bend,

and kind of thrusting at the golf ball. But throwing the ball in the back of my stance, I just had no control over curving it. Most of the time, whenever I'm hitting it really good, I'm hitting to some pretty conservative targets and then shaping them towards a flag. And then if I over shape them, you know, they're in like a perfect position where it's like, oh man, we'll fire and everything today. And it's like, well, technically I was just saying about 15 feet left of it. And then I just over curved it and it looks great. But

I just kind of lost that ability for about five, six weeks. And you know, you can't, so really can't do that in the US Open, no matter what venue it is. But you know, now it's, it's just getting back to the simple stuff. You know, I think the best I'd swung at this year would probably be Riviera. And not even just from the results, but just how it looked, how the ball was coming off. And so really, we just went back and looked at some of the stuff and. I got standing too close to it. I had my, my feet way too open.

My shoulders were open and then trying to hit a push draw from there. It's pretty hard to be level, especially when the ball gets even farther back than that. So I feel like I'm aimed. You know, really for the amount of time I was hitting balls on the range, it really wasn't anything besides just checking the fundamentals of my setup. And it really, I mean, I've been flushing it all week. So it's nice to kind of get back to some of the sticking seven irons in there and whatnot. And it's something I really feel like I haven't done for a couple months.

What were your impressions of Pinehurst last week? Just how the golf course set up and United States Open Championship on that level of difficulty of golf course. Yeah, you know, it's just, it's just different because, you know, the U S opens that I've played, you know, they've either been in the Northeast or it's been a Tory and you know, long, hard, big rough, um, you know, thick rough around the greens. And then, you know, that's basically the complete opposite of of Pinehurst where it's not overly long. You know, you have a bunch of holes that are under 400 yards and then after that there's like no holes between 400 and 450 and then so it's just a unique venue.

I mean, there's there's really it's almost like you're playing an open championship combined with US Open Greens. So I mean, I enjoyed playing it. I obviously didn't play great, but it's just it's just different. Like it's just something that we don't see. You know that often and honestly, you know, seeing how well Bryson played and, you know, the bombers that were in contention. I mean. and the bombers that were in contention. I mean, I think if I already go back and do it over, I probably would just be shipping driver almost everywhere. And if I hit it in the fairway, I'd have a wedge in my hand. And if I didn't hit in the fairway,

I'd just be 50-50 potluck, whether I have something good or something bad, but at least that would have been another 50 yards up there in the fairway. So it's just, like I said, it's a very unique, just different, you kind of almost feel like you have to play the courts backwards in some aspects. So it's just, I went out like a month early

and the first day I played there, I think I shot 75 and thought I hit it great. And it was just, you know, oh, hit this towards the middle of the green and then rolls off and then I've got absolutely nothing. So, but no, I mean, it's a great anchor site. I mean, you know, it'll be fun to go back there in six years. You've had close calls at major championships.

You lost in a playoff, the PGA championship. What's your experience like on the emotional side of that? We saw Rory obviously extremely emotional, leaving after a mind numbingly close call this past week. Just, you've been there before. What are those emotions like? How did you deal with that in the aftermath? Yeah, you know, I hadn't, I felt like the one

or my second places that I had had, I didn't really feel like I gave them away. I just kind of got beat. And you know, that's just part of the draw. And honestly, you know, I feel bad for the guy because, you know, he played some amazing golf, but, you know, Bryson pulling off a 55-yard bunker shot after, you know, missing it left underneath the tree. I mean, that's how you want to make your championship. You have to pull off something special at the right time. And, you know, that we knew that going into

that week that it was going to be kind of a almost kind of a football game with whoever has the whoever has the possession last is going to control their destiny. And so, you know, I, I my close calls, you know, I would say the Masters was really special. I mean, even though I missed by one, you know, I was kind of Hideki was way ahead and then kind of came back. You know, the PGA I really played great and you know, I was kind of, Hideki was way ahead and then kind of came back. Um, you know, the PGA, I, I really played great and you know, it was one under in the playoff and, um, you know, miss like an eight footer on 17 after JT drove it on the green and, and made birdie and then Matt just played some phenomenal golf coming down the stretch.

And, you know, even to this day, people always bring it up where it's like, man, I don't know how that putt missed on 18, but, but so, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's for me, it's a little bit different just because it's, it's like, I've been close, but I haven't gotten over that hump. So each one's been a big motivator. And obviously for Rory, he's had, he's had a lot of major championship success, even though it's been a decade since his last win. And so I feel for the guy. I mean, he's, you know, it's, it's, it's not a fun feeling finishing

second in a major when you've been that close because it's, it feels like three weeks in one. Yeah. Well, you've, if I have it right, you've never played travelers before. Is this your first time playing this tournament? Yeah. First time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Travelers. Yeah. Travelers has been amazing to the tour for a long time and they treat us unbelievably well up here. Um, you know, they think of absolutely everything for us. So, um, you know, golf courses, a breath of fresh air after planning near field and then, uh, I nursed, you know, plan is 6,900

yard golf course and being able to go out and make some birdies. Um, you know, the biggest defense this week is going to be the rough. I mean, the rough is pretty thick. It's, you know, four inches. Um, but you know, you make sure if you get, make a mistake, you just don't make another one on top of it and you can get out of there with bar. And so, um, you know, it's still a very scoreable golf course, but at the same time, you can miss it in some spots and kind of be grinding your way around here.

But, um, you know, it's supposed to be pretty warm up here. So I'm, I'm hoping everything gets kind of baked out and we start seeing balls bounce around a little bit on the greens. Love it. Well, there's a long straight standing tradition on this show It's called the podcast bump If you you know when you do the interview week of end up going on off to win the tournament I've never seen it this quick of a hit ten-minute hit for the Wednesday live show But this is a new one, but best of luck to you this week. We look forward to watching and thanks for joining us Yeah, thanks all I appreciate it. Thank you to Will for that that was great good to you know get in touch with him and hear what he's got

going on and I want to see that guy back I want to see that guy back being competitive and tearing up some birdies so he sounds optimistic about his game so anyways the Travelers this week catch the KPMG Women's PGA Championship. You can catch up on the KPMG Women's PGA Preview Pod as mentioned earlier should be in your podcast feed. Thanks so much to everyone for tuning in for the happy hour. We'll see you back here. We'll have a live show on Friday night for the KPMG Women's PGA and of course we'll be

live on Sunday night recapping the week as well. Cheers, crack on. Bangalang!