No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 876 - Lauren Coughlin wins the CPKC Women's Open! (+3M Open Recap, and LC calls in)

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

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Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Soly here. We have a fun one tonight. Emotions are a bit raw. Our young hitter, Lauren Coughlin, just won the Canadian Open. TC is here. He is back in stateside. Hello TC, how are you?

Hello, I'm great. I gotta recompose myself. That was an exhausting three, three and a half hours of watching golf and I just couldn't be happier for Lauren and for John, just golf. We'll get to all of that. DJ Pye is here, hello Pye man. Greetings guys, lovely weekend, man. Greetings, guys.

A lovely weekend, festive weekend here in Milwaukee. All kinds of festivals going on. We capped it off with just absolute mayhem at the rink, TC, and just all things. Just good vibes all the way around, man. I was terrified for Lauren going from 17 to 18. It's the most dangerous lead in hockey with a two-shot lead. It was the things for getting a little nerve-racking in this episode's brought to you by our friends at titles the number one ball in golf and the choice of your 3m open champion

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online golf ball selector tool. Head over to Titleist.com to find out what ball is best for your game We are bumping Johnny Vegas switched out of the left-ash once Neil put it into play. He said, you know, I don't know I don't know if I could be played the same balls deal ever since he heard Neil describe it as cracking skulls That's what he's like. I'm out. I gotta switch this up For a quick play-by-play for those that did not watch Lauren and hate on you were Were in the final group at the Canadian women's open They had a fantastic

Round on Saturday, but scuffled a little bit on Sunday It was often twosomes and it looked like a two two-person duel the entire way Mao Saigo ended up making a great run at it and ended up finishing in second place But they were scuffling a little bit at one point though Haydon you had a three-shot lead on the back nine she made double bogey on the 11th hole which brought LC back to within one LC hit both the 14th and 15th par fives and two she only managed one birdie out of that and still trailed by one but you made a bogey on 16 Lauren had the tee on 17 stepped up an absolute stuff one to a back left pin she drained the putt she played the par threes, eight under par on the week.

Uh, you made bogey. So Lauren goes to the final hole with the two shot lead. You ends up making another, another bogey. Lauren stripes one down the fairway, hits it on the front of the green and, uh, easy to putt par for her first LPGA win in her 101st start. Uh, golf channel really nailed the, you know, the celebration and set the scene for her,

and there was a lot of emotion in that, and man, it seemed like a long time coming for her. What was her status, TC, when we met her? What was she, she had no status on the LPGA Tour, some status on the LPGA Tour? Yeah, I think she had no status on LPGA, and she was just full-time Epson, and then she kept going back to, to Kew School. So really

heading into last year was really the first time that she had kind of full status on LPGA. And then going into this year, like, you know, could kind of pick her schedule for the first time. And, and it's crazy. It felt, you know, just kind of incremental progress here and there. And I think, you know, I haven't played a lot of golf with Lauren. It's always been, the ball striking has always been there. And it's just a matter of the putter and the confidence as well, I think, and, you know, self-belief and believing in herself. And I think that's the difference. And, you know, Terry, new caddy on the bag, last, you know, what, six months or so, and just keeps knocking on the door and fell short at Evian, fell short last week and it was just a matter of, hey, let's just keep it rolling.

And I'm just over the moon for her and for John. John, her husband quit his job before this year. He worked for University of Virginia and quit his job. He's been out on tour with Lauren and I think that's made a difference as well. And I don't know, I just, I'm like, they're two of the best people I know and I couldn't be happier as I know you guys are. It's, you know, we talk a lot about people in the men's game who are like, you know, I was so close to giving up the game and you know, it's just, it's a tough financial reality out there to keep this dream going. Imagine taking just, you know,

massive percentages off of the purse every week and playing in the women's game. Right. And that's what I think someone like Lauren goes through every week, when it's just like another year, another year, how are we going to make this work? And I know her and John have have a great system rocking and they got a great support team around them. Uh, but man, it's, it's a reality in the women's game to keep chasing it and it just would be very easy to give up and she did not do that and she just fucking won on the LPGA, man. I just cannot, I can't believe it. Like I know like- First NIT winner to win on a major worldwide tour.

I believe that's right. We got gotta check with Justin Ray on that one. But yeah, I think that's right. I don't know, people have probably heard this story, but for those that haven't, just our relationship started when, TC, I think she DM'd you on Twitter, maybe when we were starting this young hitters, kind of sort of a joke, kind of sort of real.

Like, hey, what if we sponsored some lower tier players and she's like, hey, I'd love to get involved in me and TZ met her at bold bean in Jack's Beach and she's kind of giving us the pitch. We're like, oh, no, we're you. Yeah, we're in. This sounds great. You know, we had to use the eye test. You see, we didn't have a lot of data available. And we're like, you know what? We believe in you. That sounds great. And just being along for the ride and watching her. Like you said, I'm up close playing a bunch of golf with her,

talking to her between weeks. I've gotten to caddy for Randy's gotten to caddy for it's just, I mean, it's, it's unreal. She played in the NLU cup at Sweden's go awesome. Jason bone COVID Danny woodhead. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. It's been a hell of a ride. It feels like it's, it's feeling, it feels like it's been, it's just I don't know. It's been a hell of a ride that feels like it's it's feeling it feels like it's been you know six years and it feels like it's been six weeks and That was just an unbelievable Culmination and and not to gloss over this like there's more big shit ahead, right?

I mean she's she's becoming a pretty big like centerpiece of the US Solheim Cup team now, too I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable, man. I just, you said it, TC, I just, two of the best people I know, I could not be more happy for them. And I think back to last year, we were all stoked about last year, she finished what, top five or top 10

at the KPMG Women's PGA at Congressional and made a six figure check. And we're like, oh my, like that took so much pressure off of her, I think. And then to string together some more good results, finished, I think, just outside making it to the tour championship last year. But really, I think this year, it seemed like this off season was the first time she really could play offense. I didn't have to worry about where she was playing or financials as much or anything like that. And over the last, what, 10 weeks, I think she's probably made 30X her career earnings

to this point. It's just like the margins, like you said, Deidre, are so much thinner on the women's side. And I don't know, I'm really, really excited just to see what's next. Because I think this took an immense amount of self-belief, but now it's like, hey, I can do this. That birdie on 17 was absolutely cold-blooded. And she drove it up in the hats ass all week.

It was crazy. The first two rounds of this tournament, the wind was blowing, the greens were super, super firm. Nobody broke 68 the first two rounds. Mal Sigo was three over after two rounds and then shot 61 on Saturday and I blew 69 today. And then I think they soaked the greens a little bit Saturday. So it was kind of like, I think, like I really applaud Lauren for kind of battling through that, playing a different style of golf on Saturday and then, you know, kind of going into grind mode

today and you know, Hey Dawn, Rue, definitely, you know, she, that shot on 11 was, was both shocking and like kind of let Lauren back into it. She was starting to lose touch with her a little bit. And then Lauren just kept hitting good drives and kept keeping herself in it. Some good lag putts. Putter looked shaky down the stretch. I'm sure she could barely feel her hands. And then all of a sudden she hits that shot on 17. Crowd's going nuts, makes the putt, and then great two putt on 18. Awesome. And it's, you know, there's a lot of,

there's a fair amount of documentation out there every time there's kind of like a pop-up story of, you know, so and so sleeping in their car, doing this, all that, but like, it kind of pops up for a week and kind of goes away. It's super interesting when you either get, you get to know someone or you like a friend of a friend or whatever it might be.

And like you follow them them week to week, every single week you're checking in on how they're doing on the Epson Tour, getting a spot started on the LPGA Tour. All right, T35, good week this week. Following it all the way from week after week after week after week after week and then see it crescendoing into this moment is part of what being a golf fan is all about, right?

I mean, I used to there was, you know, I've been through this on the men's side with a few guys here and there of like, I'm really rooting for him, really rooting for him. Justin Huber comes to mind of like, yeah, dude, I'm checking your score every single week. Luke Guthrie, a lot of our friends that play on those tours and like, it very, very rarely ends with this, you know, there's a lot more stories where it just kind of peters out and doesn't end up going anywhere and it very rarely ends something like this and it's just worth celebrating on a week that I was kind of wondering what we're here and talk about tonight. If this didn't go great for Lauren today. And I just I'm tickled that I was I was pacing around the room,

watching that fight, let's fight a couple of holes. You know what? I'm glad it might sound like a stretch. And this is to take nothing away or take the spotlight away from the women's game. But I'm glad you brought up the men's game because I was thinking about this today too. And I think with this push to make everything, turn golf into this bazillion dollar industry and try to keep up with all of, how much these purses have raised

and trying to turn it into this entertainment product and blah, blah, blah. It just seems like a lot of that week to week following the game for journeymen stories like that has gone away. And I think there's a lot of reasons for that. We can do a whole breakout media studies session on this, but there's way fewer, there's more people covering the game, but way fewer people actually covering the game. If that makes sense, right? There's a lot of people just recycling Instagram posts and tweets from the top players and the most famous people, you know, there's more of that, but there's less just, you know, Kyle Stanley, another T 16 finish.

He's trending. Could he be the, you know, there's just so much fewer of that stuff. And again, even infinitely fewer of that on, on the women's side as well. Right. And so to me, Lauren almost feels like a throwback to the period where I had the most fun covering golf because it was a lot of those types of stories. And that's why we all love following Max because we got to see his story from the beginning to becoming a top 10 player in the world. And I don't know, it's just, it's something that's kind of feels like it's been

lost in the game of golf the last call it five years years. And it was really fun to have it have it back today because there is nothing better than like you said, saw like watching each stair step and each each checkpoint and each, you know, we're continuing moving the ball down the field. And it's just a really fun thing to watch. You don't get to do it very many times. And shout out to Lauren for like putting her story like making yourself extremely available for anything we've ever wanted to do. Put her story out there. She was the most recent guest on the No Laying Up podcast.

Go back one episode in your feed. She was on with Randy and Cody earlier this week. The podcast bump is in full effect. Like we are sitting by, I mean, no, you got media to do after you win. We are certainly counting on a call in from her at some point tonight. She texted a little bit ago.

She said, like, maybe like two minutes after she sent her card, she says, when am I calling into the show? Question mark, exclamation point, question mark, exclamation point. We just sent it to you, we were asking the same thing. You said, I gotta go do some stuff at 18, I think. So it may be a few minutes, but I'm calling it.

Well, we look forward to that. We'll be here. We look forward to that. I was just thinking, looking through my phone of, as I'm sure you were doing it as well today of some memories. I forgot, she went and followed, she went and watched me at the Gasparilla. If you go back and watch that video, she's like in the crowd watching me and she's kind of like, hey man, you should come out and follow me in a tournament too sometime. I was like, no, I have. She's like, yeah crowd watching me and she's kind of like, hey man, you should come out and follow me in a tournament too. Sometime I was like, no, I have. She's like, yeah, when you've been there working,

like I was like, yeah, that's a really good point. She's like, you got a one-up lead on me, but she's just the best. This is just awesome. Awesome moments. It's just, it's really freaking hard to win, right? And I know we say that a lot or we dog guys, you know, shout out to Tommy.

We, we dog guys. Big, big, big tone. Six wins that hard. But, you know, looking at Lauren, like just like even following her, it was she would put herself in these in these spots. And then, you know, I think back to like Pelican back in 2021, like she was kind of going on a run there, made the cut of Founders Cup and then Pelican and final round 70 to kind of fall back a little bit. And then 22 and then 23. And like Chevron this

year, played her butt off and kind of fell back a little bit on the weekend. And it's just, it takes time to win. Especially like she led the field in greens and regulation this week. I think she got a nice little bonus for that too. But you know, it's like, it just, it takes time to win. Sometimes it's, things have to break your way. And wait, was there a cash bonus for most greens and regulation? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Aldi put it up. 20,000. We need more fastest lap stuff in golf. We need way more stuff.

There's gonna be a bonus for lowest round on Sunday. There should definitely be a bonus for that. Do a long drive bonus for all I care. Like there's gotta be some more bonuses in there. So looking back at the 36 hole leaderboard too, cause I think it definitely bears a mention. Lead was at minus six, Lauren was the 36-hole leader over Ru and then Hannah Green were both at minus five.

Then she had Lilia Vu, Lydia Ko, Jennifer Kupcho, Ryan O'Toole, Ali Ewing, Rose Jang, all other heels. To be able to beat that cast of world-class players down the stretch, and not only beat them, but lift and separate and change the style of golf that you're playing. She went out and made a ton of birdies on Saturday. And I don't know, the golf course played kind of weird. It was like weirdly receptive on the greens yesterday. And then the crazy firm on the run-up area. So you really had to judge your landing and all of that really well. And then you could get some really weird lies in the rough too.

And I think back to on Saturday, I can't remember which hole it was. It was on the back nine. She which hole it was, was on the back nine. She had a really bad lie, hit a bad chip, and then made like a 12 or 14 footer for bogey on the way back. And I think that's the one I think back to. And I'm like, that was the putt that was different from the last few times around. Cote De La Huelga I think, T.C., you mentioned a couple things there, but how hard it is to win, not only is it hard to hit good shots, it's hard to know how aggressive you have to be, right? Because there was a lot of that on the broadcast and rightfully so. I agreed with a lot of the commentators who were like, man, she looks pretty tentative. She looks pretty tentative. She's not really going after it. And not really knowing I'm curious to talk to her about the impact Terry McNamara has on her bag, but

not really knowing, okay, is this a spot to press or is this, am I just trying to let it come back to me? And not knowing what the leader's gonna do and not knowing if they're gonna hit a good shot or a bad shot, it's just all such an awesome, psychological dance as well to try to figure out. That's just one of the many, many things that has to go your way and you have to hit good shots

and you have to make putts. And I think like 17 was the culmination of that, right? Where she talked about it in the post round, it's playing like 196 and I think she hit a six iron, which if you don't watch a lot of LPGA golf is rare. That's- She had to take a little off a six iron. Yes, because she said she was so jacked up

and you saw the massive hop that that thing took. You saw how far it ran out and you saw how boned it would have been if she would have gone over the green. She had to almost play it like a links golf shot. It was just that's such a hard question to try to figure out and it takes the slope perfectly rolls down there to, you know, whatever it was five, six feet, eight feet,

something like that and and cash is it. I mean that was I think Justin Ray tweeted. She had a 16% chance of winning walking to that tee and after that hole. I think it was she had a 16% chance of winning, uh, walking to that tee. And after that hole, I think it was flipped to like a 96% chance of winning. It's just a moment. She, she dumped it into the zone and, and, and avoided getting an icing call dump and chase the four check was strong. I don't even know if that's what four check means. I never know what that means. You pulled the goalie on 18 and let up an empty netter there as well and Lauren ended

up beating her by three. I just want to shout out again, I know people probably don't follow this stuff closely. You don't go like eight under on par threes during a tournament week. She birdied the fifth hole all four days. Par threes are usually the hardest holes in relation to par. They say like any hole you're making a three on a par three basically on any tour you're gaining shots on the field and she's just that good of an iron player man and It's so funny. She's she's At times as like, you know, even when the results haven't been there She would like say like some extremely confident things about ball striking just be like, oh, yeah

I mean compared to so-and-so like I made I made her look like an average ball striker and. Just be like, oh yeah, I mean, compared to so and so, like I made her look like an average ball striker and it'd be like one of the world's best players, right? It was just truly like whenever the putting would like be, it's kind of a Scottie Shelford situation of whatever the putting would just be okay. She was top 20 no matter what. And it was a matter of time before she got hot enough to win.

I just remember this from, I caddied for her at a Epson tour event, Symmetra tour at the time. And so obviously small sample size, but I think it bears true to her game at large where she almost has that Mickelson thing where she hits it close so often to where she, she hits it to these like 50, 50 putts, right? You know, the, what is, I forget on the PJ tour, at least it's like eight feet, right? Is the 50-50 make-miss. So she's just hitting it to eight feet on every hole

and she feels like, oh my God, I should make all of these. And I remember throughout the week just kind of trying to be like, man, those are not auto-makes, but you just get down on yourself when you have that many close birdie looks and you're not cashing all of them. So when it does click, it looks like it does

at times this week, and when it doesn't, I'm sure it's easy to get down on yourself. The worst when you're like 15 feet because it still feels like you should make them and the percentage just just drops off dramatically from there and if you miss three of them you just feel like well I can't buy a bucket even though statistically it tells you you probably should miss you know three out of four of those whatnot. But listen we talk about rowback a lot and it's a great transition here is Lauren Coughlin a rowback sponsored athlete repping repping the rowback on the course there in the final round there's probably not a day that goes by where I do not wear some sort of rowback clothing somewhere they're just a great supporter of our content

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254 to the pin over water under a tree out of the rough The the commentators did not think he was gonna be going for it And he absolutely cured a four iron over the water on to the front left of the green and it stopped immediately I did not understand the physics behind that shot at all didn't understand the risk and actually pulling it off He too putted to shoot, get in at 16 under. The final group, like pretty much everyone, got totally iced on 18, 15 minute backup on the tee. Kuchar pulled one off the tee, yelled out,

ah stinker, as it went into the left rough. He iced Johnny Vegas, he was just waiting in the fairway from 209 out. Vegas badly pulled his approach to the left side of the green, had 96 feet away for Eagle, just needed a two putt though for the win. Grazerman was in there playing ping pong with Neil Shipley

and not warming up around this time, he actually went out and started to hit balls. I gotta say, I've watched a lot of ping pong this week or table tennis with the Olympics. The Australia. Bad week, he played table tennis on TV. Yeah, the Australia Ecuador match yesterday was one of the best comebacks I've seen in the history of sports. So for both Grazerman and Shipley, that was one of

the weakest ping pong games I've ever seen. And for it to take place while Kutcher, who by all accounts is the king of the hill on the PGA Tour as far as ping-pong. That was extremely disrespectful. They were playing patty cake in there. Thank you TC. Vegas had 96 feet for Eagle, needed to putt it easily to putt it, roll it up to three feet and roll it in. It was incredible putt, very very good putt. To win by one, his first win in seven years, was it? I forget, I'll double check that, but. It sounds right.

Surprising, shocking win, I guess. Vegas absolutely pounds the ball. Like he still hits the ball really, really far. And it's just consistently just not a very good putter at all and had a week that you know not don't that I don't know if anybody was expecting I don't know what his odds were going into the week but Johnny Vegas going to the Masters two-year exception and and is back in the winner's circle yeah eighth this week in

putting which is not normal for him but you know what good for him man he seems like he seems like a good guy everybody likes I don't have too much to say about the 3M, I don't think. I see the rest of my time, honestly. TC, I know you've got 12 or 15 bullet points you wanted to get through about the 3M. Is that right? No, it's just the people of Minnesota deserve better than that golf course. The 18th hole slaps, I will say, but it's got to be be, I think that or the Vedanta event down in Mexico, it's got to be the worst venue on tour, I think. Just as far as like, it feels like such an afterthought the week after the British Open, and then you've got the Olympics this coming week, it's kind of sandwiched in between those two. Then you've got Wyndham and then you've got the playoffs. It just feels like it's all these dudes who aren't inside the top 100 topping up their points

on a course that incentivizes the wrong stuff, I think. I don't know. It just feels kind of icky and cheap, in my opinion. That that's nothing against those guys. They're going out and hitting the shots and doing what's there in front of them. I think it's just, to me, it cheapens the West Coast swing or it cheapens a lot of the events. They all count the same, except for the signature events and the majors and the players. Well, it's a weird one because I am well aware that just 10 minutes ago on this podcast, I just said, oh, isn't it great to watch these guys take the next step and just watch them chip away. That was a natural opening.

And in theory, that is true. But when the product looks and feels that way and the product even above that, the stepping stone you're trying to get to is in such disarray It's just it's really hard to to feel too much about anybody really doing much at that at that tournament Yeah, it's it's I don't know I find it easier and easier to just treat these events as lower tier events And you know, I've enjoyed watching the back nine on Sunday That's you know kind of what I feel like I do with the lower tier events It is like I still feels like the point distribution for as much as the

mules have whined about the point distribution still feels like man almost two million bucks for that and 500 points feels like quite a bit quite it feels like quite a bit don't mean to diminish it but in terms of like the season-long race and the championship race yeah I was listen that golf course terrible TC but I will say it is more driver accuracy rewarding and not that much distance rewarding by the models. So it's, you know, it's not necessarily just a pure bombing gouged. I just don't like watching Taylor Pendrith this week, race off to the 36 hole total there, and then just completely evacuate himself on Saturday playing, it's just not my kind of golf.

Like I'm good on it. There was some variety up there though. Guys like Kutcher, Mav McNeely, they're not bombers. Kutcher hanging around too. I have so much respect for Kutcher in his career, dude. I mean, it's the fact that he keeps turning up. Kind of like LeBron.

I feel about his career. Can keep turning up and beating a lot of these dudes. He's out there buttoning at 166 miles an hour now. I mean, granted he was 155th in the FedEx coming into this week. So it's not like, not like he's doing it on the regular, but he's still just incredible, incredible. Shout out to Gray's.

Never lost his card. Gray's a man. Yeah. Yeah, that's wild. And he's never missed the playoffs, right? I don't think so. I can look that up. And you know what is kind of cool, right? I don't think so. I can look that up. And you know what is kind of cool TC?

I don't know what we could call this. Maybe we could come up with a name for this, but what you just said is right because with the signature events model and the majors, there's just big swaths of the season where a lot of these guys are not getting a lot of points. And so it does put a lot of pressure on these types of weeks for them to go out

and really fall out. It's the flip side, right? But what I appreciate is people like Kucher who are in there just hoovering up large chunks of those points to keep the pretenders out. If you're going to get through, man, you got to beat some of these old bosses. I actually really enjoy that. I'm going to think of a name for that. Max Grazerman has been playing good golf too. He had a T7 in Texas in the spring and then this was his fifth. He had T21 at the US Open, played well at Detroit, played well at John Deere, played well

in Scotland, played well at Barracuda. That's a lot of golf in a row there. The heat of the summer, a lot of travel and he's played well. You you were exactly right to you. It's absolutely insane. Matt Couture's never missed the playoffs since they started in 2007 He's not looking great for it this year But he was 66 last year 66 the year before 122nd year before that but that was when it was 125 It's a little harder to make it now but uh I mean for for the stretch there in the 2010s. He went second sixth 18th sixth eighth 19th 18th 14th 76th, uh then 16th in 2018 2019 Literally the foundation of the no-lang-up podcast was arguing about matt kuchler within the first three minutes of the lpcp

First pod april whatever that was 2014. 2014. He's still out there doing it. Mavs got some stuff up Mavs got to clean some stuff up if he wants to wants to win one of these is short game still incredible, but he did not hit the ball great this weekend and saw if had a tough tough shots. That shot 63 on Saturday. He had a great Saturday, but Sunday was was. I was rooting for him.

I was pulling for him. And that was that was not what we were looking for out of that Sunday. Sahith continues to be the weirdest golfer ever. Went for it. I like him for just sending it on 18 and not even not even coming within 20 yards of the shoreline. I respect him playing this week. He absolutely did not have to. He had some good quotes about how they gave me a big start when I was just coming out of college or maybe even still in college. And I really appreciated that. That was awesome. So kind of a little bit of a pay it forward

showing up to this event when I'm sure he's absolutely gassed. But he also was very stoked to see to what we were saying earlier. He had some quotes about how it is in a golf course that forces a little more driving accuracy, I think just because there's fucking lakes everywhere. And you're trying to just keep the ball on planet Earth. And so I think he was kind of like, man, this is the biggest thing I've been working on is just driving the ball straighter and keeping it on the planet. And I've been doing such a good job at that. And so I'm kind of ready to play this golf course. And he, you know,

had a good week. So not the strongest field in the world, I know, but still a good week's a good week. It's worth noting Saheb was a dead flat driver of the golf ball last year in terms of strokes gain now he's up a half shot that's a massive leap and he is technically like average accuracy now with driver which you know he's already above average length and now being average accuracy he's turned that into into a real skill and uh i mean he's 11th ranked player in the world come into this week uh data golf thinks a little differently. They've got him at 36th, but the corrupt golf rankings think he's 11th ranked. That's a big difference. I don't like him. Wow. I do want to just call out,

Webb Simpson's getting exemptions on all these non-elevated events. Why is Webb Simpson not showing up at 3M? That's exactly it. Couldn't agree more TC. Could not agree more. I would save that. Or maybe we can go there now. Let's go there now. Let's do that. I splunked in the FedEx Cup rankings so that you do not have to. And I put together five things you need to know, five facts to impress your friends about the FedEx Cup. Okay. When you guys are all standing on the water cooler this week talking about the FedEx Cup,

you're going to feel like a real whiz. All right. I'll go through these one at a time. You guys stop me if you'd like to talk about anything at length. Number one thing, number one person we're going to look at is Jordan Spieth, who is currently number 62 in the FedEx Cup. Why is that important, Sully? Because, DJ, the top 50 in the final FedEx Cup ranking will be exempt into all signature events into next year, the 2025 season. That's exactly right. He is technically inside the playoff cutoff right now. The playoffs is the top 70 guys as you know.

So he's still got some he's got some time. He can get into that. You know, I don't know if he's playing Windham or not. I doubt it. But he'll have that first playoff event to guaranteed to try to get inside the top 50. And then if he does that, you know, he'll be set for next year. But the big thing to look out with him too is that the top 30 in the crooked OWGR also get into the signature events. He is also outside of that. He's number 37 in the world. So you might be looking at someone like Victor Hovland, like, oh my gosh, he's number 55 in the FedEx Cup. He's not gonna make it in the signature events next year.

Wrong, he's number seven in the world. So I don't think he's really sweating it. He's gonna flush this the world. So I don't think he's really sweating it. He's going to flush this year and just move on. The big thing with speed though is like, and this is kind of a question I would have for you guys is it kind of seems like they're trying to make the line sharper, right? With who's in, who's out. Let's have something on the line. The signature events, top 50. This is going to be super important. But also, realistically, if Spieth misses out, like he's just going to get a sponsor exemption

into all of them. Right? Yes. And I will put a cap on it next year, aren't they? On the number of exemptions? Yeah. Maybe that's true. I don't know. I don't know. I can't even keep track of this. Which kind of brings me to my other point. Yeah, which is nothing matters Yeah, it's just anyway. It kind of I really appreciate their efforts to Try to make it more entertaining But what ends up happening with a lot of this stuff is if you're a big name who's outside the top 50 you just end Up getting a bunch of sponsor exemptions and if you're not a big name who's outside the top 50 Nobody really gives a shit. So I'm like looking right around this top 50 top 70 bubble like, Oh man,

well, who should we care about? And it's, there is a game within the game, right? If you want to follow Eric Cole and Max Grazerman and some of these guys, like you can, you know, you can get deep on that drama, but it kind of just seems like the only people doing that are the betters and gamblers, but that's, that's neither here nor there. Uh, the punters, which brings me to number two TC, which is sponsor exemptions. We're going to compare two people, uh, who got five sponsor exemptions each this year. The first one is Webb Simpson.

Would you like to venture a guess at what he is, uh, in the FedEx Cup rankings after receiving five sponsor exemptions into essentially no cut. I think one of them had a cut, but very limited field events. I'll say 135th. I'll say 147th because it's in the agenda. 147 in the standings. He received exemptions into five signature events, as I mentioned, Pebble Beach, Bay Hill, which did have a cut and he made the cut. So I guess props to him there. The RBC Heritage, the Wells Fargo and the Travelers.

TC, he has earned 183 total FedEx Cup points this season. 156 of those came from those sponsor exemptions. Oh my gosh. It's so fucking gross. It's mad. And then you couple that with the comments that he's made at various points throughout the season, just how shameless and the complete lack of self-awareness that he's thrown out. And I get it. He does stuff. He's a good ambassador for the

tour, right? And now he's an assistant captain for the Ryder Cup. But at some point, you can't lean on the whole meritocracy thing and then have a board member do this. It's gross. It's not good. It's not good. So compare that, contrast that with Adam Scott, who is number 42 in the FedEx Cup, also received five exemptions into signature events. Pebble, Genesis, Bay Hill, Wells Fargo, and Travelers. And just for comparison, he has 1,041 FedEx Cup points. 247 of those are from signature events, which means he was playing really well. He showed up at other events, played Phoenix and I think Valero and stuff like that. Also balled out in the majors or at least played serviceable in the majors, played well

at the Scottish Open obviously. So what I think is really interesting here is that puts him at 794 points without those signature events, which would have made him number 59. So what those exemptions did essentially was push him from just outside the top 50 into the top 50, which I'm honestly fine with, man. If you're going to be a competitive player and you're a superstar like Adam Scott, and you need a little tiny nudge to get back in, now he's played his way back into those events for next year. And I would consider that kind of the system working. I'm sure people are pissed about, you know, him getting too many exemptions as well. But I actually like that and think it's okay.

player, you know, like it, it doesn't, that's a little different thing than I would feel. It'd feel weird to like make Adam Scott dance around at all of these small events to just to get up his status up, right? Like he's a, he brings global interest to all these events, like having them in all the signature, like automatically qualified and not need sponsor exemptions next year is a good thing for golf.

And to your point, TC, like Webb Simpson, I don't, who knows? I don't know what's going on in his personal life. Maybe he's not looking to chase it as hard as he once was, but it's really weird to me to take all those guaranteed starts, guaranteed checks, all of that, and then not kind of grind it out to try to pay it all off with, you know, playing events like this. And I'm sure he'll play Wyndham,

but it's just kind of a weird, leaves a weird taste in your mouth, certainly. Yeah, he's played 12 events this year. One top 25, nine cuts made, he's made $570,000 this year. 160 of that came from the T-22 or something at the Wells Fargo. but he's not showing up for John Deere.

He's not showing up for Barracuda. He's not showing up for 3M. Like do better, Webb. You know, like pay it forward. And I, you mentioned, I don't know anything about this. I was trying to look it up, but I would think Spieth would play Wyndham next week, right? I mean, it's, you're only guaranteed one more other event this year right now if you're not in the top 50.

So I would think he's going to at least try to go back to back there with those two, but I don't think he wants to do the sponsor exemption thing next year. All right. Number three, Nick Dunlap. Nick Dunlap is number 65 in the FedEx Cup. And Saul, you're probably saying, how canap is number 65 in the FedEx Cup and Saul you're probably saying how can he be number 65 in the FedEx Cup? He's got two wins this year. That would be outrageous. Let me just remind everybody He was the first amateur to win on the PJ tour in 33 years when he won in Palm Springs this year Fun fact you got the same amount of FedEx Cup points for that victory as Phil Mickelson did when he won as an amateur way back in 1991. Zero. I don't know why or how I missed

this at the time. I think maybe we were in Australia. But just to refresh people's memories, I guess when you win as an amateur, you are not a PGA TOUR member. And when you then take up membership because of that victory, you are not retroactively given those FedEx Cup points, even though they're imaginary and made up and anybody can do anything that they want. It's not like there's a fucking gold standard that we're measuring these things against. So he got zero points. He does not start earning points until you take up membership and you make a cut on the PGA Tour. So he got zero points for that which leaves him at number 65. He is also number 41 in the world rankings which means he's outside that top 30. So if he does not get into

the top 50 he would not be in the signature events next year which seems really fucked up and would be very stupid to have him relying on sponsor exemptions. He's what 21 years old, 22 years old and has won twice on the PGA Tour. That would be gotten sponsor exemptions this year. Yes. Well, yes. Well, I think all current year winners get into the signature events. So he got in through that. Sorry. He's 20 years, seven months old, by the way.

He's not yet 21. Tom Kimmich. Are you cool with the FedEx Cup being a fiat currency? Absolutely not, they're just handing them out like candy. This is what, there's no denominator TC. That's why we need Bitcoin. Do you think that FedEx cut points should move to some sort of a- Blockchain.

What do you call the thing? Blockchain. Yes. Some sort of crypto. Some layer to 100%. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's interesting.

All right. Anything else on Nick Dunlap or should I move on? I'm still fired up about web, man. I know. We have to winning more non-signature, or more signature events and the players and the US Open this year than he has non-signature events. It's so fucking gross. Just didn't fit his schedule.

He's got too much other stuff going on. It's not good. All right, number four. I'm gonna point you guys to two quietly consistent dogs here. These are UGA golfers. Sully, you probably know who I'm talking about here, I'm guessing. Russ Henley's gotta be one of them, right?

Russ Henley is one of them. And right next to him, Sep Straka. Both were T14 in the FedEx Cup last year, and they're both top 20 again. These are kind of those Walmart guys, right? Could Could walk through Walmart nobody really is gonna notice or pay attention to them. Let me rattle off a couple numbers for you guys. These are on course earnings plus their FedExCup bonus from last year. Russell Henley's made 11.8 million dollars and Seph Straka has made 10.2 million

dollars. Do you guys know how many wins they have between the two of them for that $21 million, $22 million? Sep won once, they won John Deere, right? I was gonna say. They each won one. They have won the John Deere and Headline won the Myacoba. Oh, that's right. And that has resulted in what, $22 million in earnings

over the last 18 months? You know what, that 10 million bucks does not get sep straka It does not get him to the front of the avus line at augusta before the masters. He was about 48th in line Uh what we got when I got there, uh back in back in the sunday before the masters this past year. Sorry about that Um, so yeah, just hey real quick. It was not the Maya coba was it it was Still the Maya coba at the time. Well, it was the whatever WTT Okay technology WT. Yeah And it wasn't in Maya coba was it I think it was last moved it. He won it last year. Yeah. Yeah

Okay, last one number five Joel Damon friend of the program. I think he's just kind of worth an examination right now. And the reason is because I think despite all of this Netflix fame that he has, he kind of feels more anonymous on the golf course to me than he ever has, maybe. At least certainly in the last five years. Probably a couple reasons for that.

I think not getting into the signature events slowly starting to phase out of the majors. I think there was a certain floor for certain guys who would get into all of these events that are no longer getting into those events, right? Like you can kind of get into the party with the big boys and you get a little bit of TV time here and there, even if you're not really beating up leaderboards. And I think Joel doesn't really have any of that

anymore. He was 84th in the FedEx Cup last year, which meant he missed out on all the signature events this year. He's 115 this year. So he's kind of in that weird hinterlands where it's like, you're going to keep your card, but you're not going to get into anything. He didn't get any sponsor exemptions this year. So for all the people who are like, oh my God, this Netflix thing, this could just, I mean, this is gonna change everything. Like, I don't really know that it does.

He's plummeted, he's like number 181 in the world right now. So obviously that's gonna mean he's not getting into a bunch of majors. His exemption has run out. You know, I think he won back in 21 at Putankana. So his, his winter exemptions out. So next year is like a really big year for someone like that.

I think that's kind of a either fight your way back in and start hanging around the, the big kids table or it's man, things can start to, to get pretty dark once some of these checkpoints have kind of fallen off so i don't know if you guys have any thoughts on on where he's at well i think it how it works now though he's not guaranteed to keep his card at 115 right he'll go into the fall series um if you're not in the top 70 like basically 71 through 125 kind of fight it out through the fall series uh you know, 71 has a better chance of retaining their car than 125 but That's at least how it was working last year. I assume that's how it's working this year

I don't even know if that information's out there yet I think that's right and I guess where I always get tripped up is it feels like those I don't know It just feels like there's a you're totally right Yes, but it feels like with that priority ranking, all those guys just end up getting a bunch of starts anyways, and you just end up in that PGA tour anyways. So you're right. It is not a full-on keep your card, but I would imagine he'd still be in a decent spot there.

Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't really thought of that point of like his marketability that he, you know, that has not translated into sponsor exemptions into some of these events. Which again, if I was him, I would probably be pretty pissed at something like that. Yeah, we'll have more kind of on this in coming weeks here as we're working on it. But it is weird just what sponsors want. A major champion means something to a lot of other, like, you know, 55 year old gray haired clients, they're trying to impress that, you know, Webb's probably coming in their booth and shaking hands and meeting people and all that.

Like, it's sponsors aren't always lining up for like, oh, this is the most deserving golfer to be in our tournament. It's like, no, how can I use this to kind of advance my business desires here is how a lot of these decisions get made. We care about the golf here on this show and the competitive golf structure. So it gets some scrutiny for us,

but that's kind of, that's what the money's for in a lot of these fronts and they're paying a shitload of money for it. Yeah. So, Olympics this week, obviously, and then we have Wyndham next week before the playoffs. Like I said, top 70 getting into the playoffs. People outside of that right now, Lucas Glover at number 75, just also gearing up for TGL season, cashing in on one of the preeminent heaters of the year last year

And yeah getting a spot on one of those rosters So that's gonna be interesting if he misses the playoffs and then gears up for video game golf Keith Mitchell another friend of the program Lucas you ever played against the ball frogs No, but I want to I want to No, no, but I want to I want to Number 78 Keith Mitchell just outside looking in Nikolai Hoygard number 79 TC You know, he wants to keep wetting his beak over here on the PGA tour And then another one I didn't put in but I think you could say a lot of the same stuff We kind of said about Joel Damon Ricky Fowler at 102 is very interesting

I think that is a big inflection point in the career if we're looking at that, right? If he goes and, you know, misses the playoffs and who knows, like now all of a sudden has to kind of quote-unquote slum it in some of these events. He becomes a harder sell for some of the sponsor exemptions maybe. I don't know, it's just an interesting place that he's at. Let's be serious. Rick's going to hoover up all the sponsor exemptions. I would imagine. But I mean, he's got to have some form, right? Like, Webb at least was on the board. Like, at least people are just like, you know what? Honestly,

let me make this case. People don't even notice Webb when he's there. Like, we're talking about it, but like nobody else is, everyone else will just like look right past him. Ricky at least draws, he's like a lightning rod for people, I feel if he starts getting exemptions that's gonna be something for those Instagram accounts that I mentioned earlier to start really hammering people do go to golf tournaments and want to watch Ricky like not like kids like younger fans as well I mean people he's gonna he's gonna get some exemptions. I haven't really thought of this until like with this little exercise though of like it used to be like you went on tour two years, you're fully exempt on

tour for two full years and kind of pretty much get into whatever tournament you want. Like the whole fight within the fight of like no no you you don't get like two years now like to play all you want you get one. You get one year to do it and if you don't do it, you are to the back of the line in terms of all the signature event entries and all that stuff. Like it just moves very quickly. I mean, it was not very long ago that Ricky was winning at Rocket Mortgage. And Ricky had a date, like even setting aside the win last year, Ricky had 18 top 25s and 28 starts. Yeah.

He had a good roll at the US Open. He played his ass off last year. T5 at LACC, T9 at Memorial, T6 at Colonial. Like fall or year. T2 at Zozo in the fall before that. He tricked me into thinking he should be on the Ryder Cup team and it didn't work out great. Anything else on that Deidre you want to move across the pond?

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What's your favorite? Cinnamon Roll. Cinnamon Roll is shockingly good. Yeah, shockingly good. Liv UK, John Rahm, emotional, was brought to tears by this win. We couldn't tell whether it was based on just the long drought he had or if he was really bummed for his buddy Tyrell Hatton who missed a putt on the final green. But John Rahm wins LiveUK by one shot over Tyrell Hatton, Joaquin Nieman, and Cameron Smith. I'm sure we'll go straight

to the Cliques update. Do you want to go straight to there T.C. or what's your reaction to Ron getting a W on the live tour? No, we don't have to go straight to the Cliques this week. They didn't have a good week. But another thing about the Cliques. No, I think Arlo was saying that Ron was potentially torn up about beating his teammate, which I thought was interesting given the way that the Formula One Belgian Grand Prix ended this morning with George Russell having to give the trophy to his teammate, Lewis Hamilton, after his car was underweight and he was DQ'd from the race. But, uh, no,

I mean, obviously a big week for Legion 13 and, uh, kind of a strange week for Rom, right? He, uh, he gets the win, but he also, he was kind of lightning rod, uh, seemed to seem very, very flustered on Friday and, and really into Saturday with the crowd just barking at people as caddy Adam Hayes right? Yep. Adam Hayes was good. Dickhead. Dickhead. You know, just kind of like damn you people go back to your shanties kind of stuff going on and a lot of hecklers out there. I think that's in the Midlands. I looked this up on the map.

One of the weirdest locations for a golf tournament I think I've ever seen. I guess it's owned by the construction equipment company, JCB. It's like the John Deere classic of live really threw me off when I was going back to watch the highlights today. I was like, man, why are there like backhoes all over this golf course? Like the leaders are just playing right now. Oh, okay. Now I see the team markers, team markers are great, which speaking of team markers, I don't know why the, the Canadian, like women's open the, the Canadian, like Women's Open,

it's sponsored by the train company, right? Like have some train T-markers, that's such a freaking layup. They kind of looked like some of those T-boxes looked like they were teeing off of railroad tracks. I think they're in the walkway of one of those holes. I truly think they were in the walkway teeing off on one of those holes. That's sick.

I went and looked up this up on a map. I just, I'm going to give you like eight names of towns just around this golf course. Cause I love when you get outside into kind of the central part of the UK, just like the names of the towns. There was a Craik Marsh. Of course British people, please email in

of all these pronunciations I get wrong, but Craik Marsh, Spath,omshall, marston, montgomery, therviston, utoxeter, croxton, and great gate were just a few of the towns that were they were near this just north of not or west of noddingham I guess. What about west uh west Gloucestershire? I didn't see that one on there. Rommel's trying to give the rifle. That golf course reminded me of nine bridges in Korea. I mean, just some outlandish shit. I've never seen a UK golf course look anything like that. It was

I don't want to play. I kind of do too. I'll just some of those highlights. I was like, you know what, I kind of want to hit that shot, actually. I put out a call for questions on Twitter and we got we got one that could JCB Golf and Country Club be one of the best courses to host an event this year. Fantastic viewing and shot success on a knife edge. That's the membership director. Turns out, turns out he's the membership director there at the club. I was like, oh, I was like, man, I watched a decent amount of this on Sunday. That was not the reaction I had in the golf course too. Oh, OK, that makes sense.

Oh, man. So I don't have a lot from Rom's takeaway or from Rom's W. Listen, it's better to win these stupid-ass events than it is to not win the events, right? I mean, I think that's a step in the right direction for Rom. I listened to a little bit of his post-round. He was talking about how, you know, a classic, I was playing better than people were giving me credit for and yada, yada, yada, which again, I'm speaking for myself here as one of the pundits. It's not that really anybody's analyzing it all that closely, but just really don't care. It's kind of out of sight, out of mind.

And so he's like, yeah, I don't know. Everybody just freaked out. I didn't play well at the Masters and the PGA. I was like, well, yeah, because that's all that kind of matters and like I don't know I don't know what's I don't really know what to tell. I'm sorry like that's kind of what the money's for though man like that's that's kind of the choice that you made. And honestly it'd be the same thing if like he was still in the PGA Tour and he had the same major record this year but he was you know cleaning up this year, but he was, you know, cleaning up at the John Deere in Reno.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the whole like top 10s in 54 person events with like only like 30 of them being very good players are not, this not the scale again, the scale of top 10s is not translate directly over to live golf. Like a top five, sure, is a, you know, much more comparable to a top 10 on the PGA Tour.

Even then, that might be a little bit light. But, you know. Yeah, Waco kept his good play going. Kam kind of bounced back. Which is good to see. Good to see Cameron Smith playing some decent golf again. Like that. And, you know, Neiman's had a good year, obviously.

It's kind of cooled off since he was touted as being the best player in the world I think at one point this year which may seem like a five years ago but now that was indeed this year but I mean strong really strong top of the board between Rahm Neiman Smith and Hatten all within a shot. Yeah I thought Paul Casey had some pretty interesting quotes just about you, supporting golf in the UK and England and all that after after he'd skipped. He can't fucking help themselves. He said, like, however many years you're JB Kennedy had been calling blew him up. But they

were saying like, yeah, I just the UK folks are just starved for golf. They're start when I was playing the six or seven events here. You know, you know here in the UK, and like Jamie Cady listed off like 15 different pro events that are going to be played in the UK this year. And also on top of that, that Paul Casey skipped the wet worth like five of six years or something like that on top of that. They just cannot help themselves. They cannot help themselves. Tough scene for Andy Ogletree today. Three over par, yeah, three over par. He was kind of right in the thick of it, right in the hunt.

I did want to shout out my guy. He's been playing some good golf. He took a lot of body blows as a poster child for kind of this circus that he was running with. And you gotta call him like you see him. He's been playing some good golf. He admittedly looks like he, I told you TC, looks like he's been working with the same fashion stylist

as our guy Zuck a little bit, was kind of some of the vibes he was putting off, but he is playing good golf. Just again, for the record, not playing good golf. Like it's that one positive strokes game finished in the entire year. So just putting that out there. Really? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I feel like I've seen his name. He's been up there constantly. I know. Doing stuff. I finished T3 at Adelaide. That's his he get his only positive strokes gained event of the entire year. How much money how much money do you think Andy Ogletree's made just individually playing playing live golf? I this year probably $2 million and now more than that way more

if he finished t3. Probably probably four or $5 million. Oh, all time. He is on my spreadsheets not work. You got to live golf. I do. Yeah. He's he's earned. See, he's done 3.5 million dollars. Okay. So he's 51st overall. And you know what it was? He made the cut at the open. That's what that's why okay Yeah, and finish seven. Yeah, yeah, he did he did guys. I think the story of the week for me was Blandy, of course Blandy Blandy started on the this is sick gosh what? Whole today Didn't get into the the a lot of conjecture out there that Liv wouldn't have let him play the senior open this week, which was won by KJ Choi. Great win for KJ Choi. One of the

biggest asterisks I've ever seen on a competition though. Landy's like, he's won the last two senior made, like the real senior majors, the US senior open and the senior PGA and did so in resounding fashion. And then they, you know, because it's jointly administered by the PGA tour champions and the DP world tour, which Landy hasn't paid his fines on, I guess, He couldn't play in it up at Carnoose D to go after the bland slam. So he teed off on 16 today. He was three over through like 10 holes, makes five birdies in a row, 10 through 14. Which I know gets you going. Exactly. He was five under on his last six holes and she'd 69 to finish. Guess what position he

finished in? Gosh. I know he's always trying to finish top 14. He's 14. You said that over earlier and made me go look it up and I fucking cackled when I saw you finish 14th. It's the best. I finished 14th. It's the best. It's the best. The Cliques, not a great week for the Cliques. They finished 11th, but there were nine shots ahead of the Ironheads who finished in 12th. And the Majestics finished one shot back

of the Ironheads in 13th at minus one. They were nine over on the day. Poulter, Westwood, Stenson, they just need to fucking pack up shop and like, if this is relegate this team, contract them. If this is a real golf league, then I, it all, if the home event for the Majestics, there's tents, I saw like umbrellas and stuff. I need people in brown paper bags with the eyes cut out over them. I need the fans rioting. You should not be cheering for Ian Poulter when he gets to the tee for what he has done as one of the three captains

Of this team leading them to the basement like again if this is a real fan TC remains the only person in the on the planet that is treating this like a real golf league and Supporting an actual club like I need people revolting if this is supposed to be real Which honestly? Yeah, so you got the Majestics Jerry Reinsdorf should buy the majestic Which honestly, yeah. So you got the Majestics. Jerry Reinsdorf should buy the Majestic. Shout out to the High Flyers. They've kind of pulled themselves off the match. They're 12. And golly. Yeah, but they finished tied for seventh this week.

The ones that I would be really worried about, Sal, are the Aces. The Aces, I think, it's like some of those really bad, expensive Yankees teams. Cullen Roche Or it could have been, I mean, what if it was a, you know, pitch tracking situation? Maybe last year was just a complete, you know, maybe they had some sort of edge that was in the scene. Yeah, exactly. Robert Leonard Yeah, yeah. I mean, Varner's, you know, Varner's stepping it up a little bit, trying to avoid getting relegated here. Pat Perez was eight over par for the week this week. Just bad stuff there from the Aces. Also, Mido Pereira looks awful.

He might get relegated, right? He should. It's bad. I think Brandon Grace looks like he may get relegated, which is crazy considering his success he had first season or two. And yeah, I don't know. And then listen, Ripper, got to take my hat off to Ripper GC this week. Mark Leishman had an emergency appendectomy after round one, and he was laid up in the hospital for a few days, Wade Ormsby comes in, plays round two, round three, even par. They finish in second place. Three shots behind lesion 23 or 13 or whatever it is.

How did Los Balls do this week? Fifth. Okay. Fine. We can build on that. My balls. Exactly. So, yeah, you know, like we're kind of getting down to it though, guys.

You know, we've got Greenbriar coming up, big, big gym's place. Hopefully he has his dog out there. I mean, Dej, it sounds like it's been a week full of festivals the last couple weeks. No, it's crazy. Harley Fest this week, we had German Fest, we had the air show all going on at the same time. Not to mention the festival last week that we had. RNC there. Yeah. So we've got Greenbriar and we go to Bolingbrook in Chicago, which I think, Sally, I'm not sure if you've played there. One of the best courses in the country.

For sure. One of the top public courses in the country. That and Banded Trail. And then the team championship in Dallas, September 20th to 22nd. So, getting down to the wire here on live. Hey, so TC, you put a bunch of questions in here. I'm gonna pick one if you don't mind. This is from Buston Thomas.

If you were the GM of the Cliques, what would your first three moves be to be a true contender? Honestly, I think you have to tear it down a little bit. Keep in mind, you could trade for any player at any time, but you don't ever have to explain it or have any salary considerations whatsoever. This might sound crazy. We don't know who's in the contract next year either.

Yeah. I know he's kind of the heart and soul of the team. I think you either have to trade Blandy, kind of like a deadline deal. You trade Blandy while he still has immense amount of value. See if the fireballs need a rental. Yeah. Or yeah, for like Pooj or something like that. Or you give Blandy, you make him at least co-captain,

you give him an ownership stake. You bring his brother on as an assistant captain. Yeah, and you really build around Blandy. I think you bring Laurie Cantor back. That's like, this would be the immediate stuff that I do to just kind of punch. First 100 days. It's true. TC kept going to, it was the best part.

Oh no, I've been thinking about it. And like, I just, I don't know what the mechanisms are. What's the farm system look like for the colleagues? Well I like I would think you could you got Laurie Cantor, um you know I don't know maybe I would call it Callum and Sandy Scott to get them from you know get get Callum Scott from Texas Tech and say hey come on over man. Come through. Yeah uh we I'm on over man. I'm through. We do have a golf tournament this coming week. The Olympics, the men's Olympic golf is descending upon La Golf Nationale. This will be this Thursday through Sunday. Four round stroke play tournament just like all the other tournaments we see. Women are going to be Wednesday through Saturday the following week uh... odds for this week scotty shepard's plus three forty zander plus six hundred rory plus seven hundred

rom plus nine hundred uh... more kawa plus twelve hundred love it plus twelve hundred uh... shane lowry sixteen hundred victor hovland tommy flee what had decky matzahama plus twenty two hundred tom kim plus twenty six hundred walking neiman and Corey Connors plus 2,900, Wyndham Clark plus 3,400. You guys excited for the Olympic golf? I'm trying to be.

Yeah, it's cool that I'm at too, that's well said. Yeah, I'm excited to see how they set up the golf course. I saw a couple PGA Tour agronomy guys, rules officials over there doing it. I think the last time we really saw it was the Ryder Cup. I'm going through it in my head of if Tommy wins a gold medal, does that feel like worst case scenario? At that point, he's not a still at that point he With Kucher Justin Rose Xander things of that Could be worse yeah, that could be a worst-case scenarios

TC do that does the Olympic wins not count as an official PGA Tour win? I do not think so, but I think they get OWGR points. I think that's right. Yeah, it is not listed for Xander Schauffele as a PGA Tour win, even though it's on the PGA Tour schedule. That's why I was at, I assume it was on the schedule. The whole thing just feels like such a waste, and I know why they did it of like the Olympics says, hey, how do you crown your serious champions? Cool, we do four rounds stroke play stuff,

but even just having that and then having some sort of other thing going, yeah, it just doesn't, just like, man, it just seems so stock and vanilla and unimaginative and uncreative. Especially in a, again, back to our media studies class here, I guess, but thinking through how you guys are probably consuming the Olympics. I know some of this is just time zone stuff and not everything is the United States, but

between the Gold Zone channel and just catching up on highlights, it's just it's very bite sized type of viewing anyways right you're kind of just skipping to the red meat of the competitions which is the the big problem with uh match play is man you don't want to get some big stinker of a telecast right between and some seven and six victory that's never compelling it's like man if you're really talking about Hashtag growing the game and the rest of the world, you know getting eyes on your sport and yada yada yada it kind of feels like you can get the best of both worlds by having a souped up mono a mono

championship that has unbelievable drama, but also packaging it in a way that You know is conducive to smaller bites and people catching up on tape delay, essentially. So I don't know, yeah, it feels like a whiff. Feels like a whiff. I feel like I feel the same way, usually about the President's Cup, in terms of like, dude, I'm not excited for it. Not excited for it, not excited for it.

When it kind of comes around, you're kind of like, ah, it's not excited for it. I'm not excited for it. I'm not excited for it. When it kind of comes around, you're kind of like, ah, it's a little bigger deal than I gave it credit for. You know, by the time it gets ramped up and going, it's like both Olympic go rounds, I've just kind of been like, man, this is kind of a joke. It didn't help that in 2016, everybody treated it like a joke and didn't go and said a lot of horrible things about it. And 2021 happened kind of in the middle of the night.

And that was awkward. But like this one, I don't know, I'm a little more excited for this one and I don't really know why. It just kind of, it's built up a little bit of equity. I've hated the way NBC has treated it, of course, leading up into this and using the open to promote the Olympics and acting like that's a bigger deal

than the open, but I don't know. Everyone's reaction that has gone and played in it and talked about their experience has just, it's piqued my interest more than it has in years past. And, uh, golf course we're familiar with. I just think this is a going to be the best one of the Olympics so far. Well, and it has a good chance to set the table for the next one too, right? In LA at Riviera. So, you know,

a banger this time would, would go a long way for 2028. Yeah. I think, uh, maybe I'm just bummed, too. It feels like the US team is just such a such a whiff. Like the fact that Wyndham Clark is on the team and not Bryson to me is like Bryson, like, you know, showing up to the opening ceremonies on the boat and standing next to LeBron or like an unbelievable. Yeah. Right. It's just like, all right, like it's content central, especially with like all NBC seems to care about is like celebrity

and fluff and sizzle and snoop and social stuff and snoop and like they hate the actual athletes anyway, unless you're a, you know, household name. And so, and granted, sorry, like you mentioned it earlier, like they're not even they're not even playing it on anything except for Peacock. Right? Yeah, so the coverage will be Thursday, Friday, Saturday. It's on Golf Channel and Peacock from 3am to 7am. This is Eastern Time. And then 7am to 12pm is only on Peacock Thursday, Friday and Saturday. It'll be Golf Channel and Peacock on Sunday as well 3am to 7am. And then Peacock Thursday, Friday and Saturday. It'll be golf channel Peacock on Sunday as well.

Three a.m. to seven a.m. and then Peacock and then it'll be on USA seven a.m. to 12 p.m. on Sunday. Characters welcome. So even if you do care, it's it's just. Like they're they're not televising the whole thing on golf channel, which they own. Like, what a what a greedy, greedy bunch of dick wads. It makes me so mad, man. Just in like, I feel like the entire sports world is starting to

see what we deal with in golf on a, on a daily basis of they're cutting a commercial mid play unlike one of the most consequential possessions in a basketball game or like they're just butchering this stuff. The Gold Zone's been awesome, props to them for that, but I thought the way that they covered the opening ceremonies just with the booth that they like with Kelly Clarkson in there and like it just it didn't it wasn't additive at all. It just diminished. This is a cool sporting event. I still remember in 1996, I went to 10 days of the Olympics. I went to all sorts of different things. It's about the athletes. It's about the ceremony. It's about earning the right to represent your country and wear the flag and all that stuff. You would have thought it was about anything

but that on the other night. I'm not talking about, you know, I thought the French did a fine job. I thought that I thought there were cool flourishes in the opening ceremony. But it just it just didn't the way that NBC covered it was just it was so low rent and cheap. The for you page of my Twitter does not does not agree with you on that part TC, but yeah. Yeah That's that's true, too Would be the funniest Olympic golf medalist. This was a good question. Yeah, or sorry There was a good question that was that was brought up

Which player pulling a sabatini to which country for the Olympics would be the funniest? Yeah had flukes. I think it's Not even close. I think there's an obvious answer Who is that? Alejandro toasty I Think would be absolutely electric. I was gonna say I think these are two different questions like somebody switching Countries to play for that country. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. I misunderstood. Misunderstood.

Yeah, toasty winning would be awesome. Toasty winning would be the funniest outcome. Somebody, yeah, switching countries. That's interesting. I'd have to think through that one. What'd you say, Solly? I think if Oppie Bonrat got a medal, that would be up there for me.

He's not played the best of golf. But it's gonna be a very random event. I'm hoping, I think if somebody pulls out, Yost gets in, right? If somebody, he's the first alternate or whatever. Is he the number one alternate? He's on the reserve list or whatever that was. I'm still hoping he gets in and he can just middle finger.

I hope he went. Yeah. I hope he went Yeah, I hope he went still that'd be good. Yeah Yeah, I don't know I'm kind of I'm kind of racking my brain on who would be Tommy could go England or Alabama. Yeah, I was gonna say Ludwig could claim his Lubbock roots and play for America Exactly. Yeah, I think the Swedes are, Noran's playing good golf right now. Should be a really good course for him. Ludwig should be a threat there.

I think, I think Min Woo Lee should play nice at the golf national. I feel like Tom Kim's going to play well. TC you need to brace yourself for that. I have a sneaking suspicion. That's true. Unfortunately, that's such a compliment. I appreciate that guys.

I really do. It's very big of the both of you. I feel like Bubba Watson maybe playing for France. After all the fucked up things he said about France would maybe be the best. That'd be a good one. I like that. I'm excited to watch.

You guys wanna do some? Yeah. You wanna do some questions? I got some other questions that I picked out. All right, this is from our friend Luke Boatwright. What sporting event do you think you could qualify for the Olympics for any nation with eight years to prepare? Obviously none.

God, I don't even know. I'm trying to think what would even be like a comical answer. Fencing? Eight years? It's not that I think I could qualify. I'm looking for literally what would be the highest odds. Maybe that's like 0.08%. Sure. That's the one that came to mind. Maybe an outside shooter, three on three basketball.

I feel like it's gotta be something that you could do. You could do like a, I don't know. You could have something going on. Can we pause this game? Cause I think the champ is here. LC, congratulations! Hey guys, how's it going? Fine, how are you doing? Oh man, it's like the first time I've sat since it happened, so it's nice. Is it everything you dreamed of? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Better.

What's the last hour and a half been like for you? Signed scorecard, got, I do a lot of pictures, a lot of media. I'm about to go have to sign a bunch of things, but wanted to call in real quick. We knew you were gonna miss this. We absolutely knew you were gonna. No, of course not. What's like the first thing you thought of? The putt goes in on 18, you know, the journey you've had, like where does your mind go immediately when that happens?

I mean, I was honestly kind of just lagging it up there because I knew I was fine. So when it went in, it felt it made it even better. Yeah, I think I just, I stayed super patient all day,, super you know, nothing really, I couldn't really get much going. I didn't feel like you know, nothing really wanted to go in. But Terry and I just kept saying just stay patient. He kept being like, they're gonna go in, they're gonna go in. And you know, then finally did on 17. It looked like it might kind of stay out to the left. And at the last second, it kind of dove in. But after that, and then obviously then she missed the putt and I didn't know until I got the tea and Terry was like, yeah, my SAGO is at 11.2. So we're hitting three one is what he said.

Take us through the week because it was a pretty, it's kind of a tale of first two days and then tell the last two days as far as conditions and wind and everything. Like did you really have to switch up your mentality from Thursday, Friday to Saturday, Sunday? Yeah, for sure. I mean, yesterday, especially there was a little bit of rain in the morning and so it played a lot softer than it had and obviously then there was like no wind and Thursday and Friday were some of the windier you know stuff I played in just and there's a lot of crosswinds and it's very tight fairways and the roughs really patchy and thick

and but luckily you know the it's firm enough in the fairways that you can kind of always as long as you could get a little you could run stuff up from the front of the green and so I just again like, okay, if I miss the fairway, I'm just going to do that. Just get it on the green to putt onto the next, I'll, I'll, I'll get it close on the next one. And that's kind of what I just kept kind of thinking. And I mean, then on Saturday it was like, all right, time to just fire away. And yeah, I mean, I putted unbelievable on Saturday. And, you know, I, Hey, Rand made everything to there on Saturday. And so I felt, you know, just the fact that I stayed in it and, you know,

only ended up being backed by one to start the day was, was huge. We were talking about it before you hopped on that it felt like a, one of those days where you didn't quite know when to be patient, when to be aggressive. What was it like kind of sorting through that and what is Terry's role in that? What's it kind of been like working with him? I mean, he's just so positive all the time

and he's almost kind of like having like a psychologist out there. He just always seems to know what to say and when to say it. I'll be like, hey, I'm feeling a little anxious right now and he'll have this whole spiel that he'll run off. Or you'll be like, well, why are you doing that? You don't need to do that, you know, but no, I mean, he's been huge, I think just in terms of the confidence that I feel like I've gained in just being around him from for an hour six week together, it's been

incredible. And then to top it off, he's just awesome to be hanging around with. And I think that's the biggest thing is like, trying to just have fun and be myself and enjoy being out being with whoever it is that that's my teammate out there. And yeah, I mean, he's just been incredible. And I'm really thankful that he wanted to work with me. What you've had some close calls at major championships this year at other events, you know, in the past, what did you learn anything from those?

Was there any extra comfort being in contention in a big moment like this today? Yeah, so Terry came up to Charlottesville last week and we kind of talked with Bob Rotelo for like an hour on Wednesday. And I was, you know, kind of hoping that like Bob and Terry would talk and I would just kind of listen, but it ended up being like, Terry just being like on the edge of the seat, loving it.

And Bob and I kind of just recapping Evian and what I felt like I went through and what I was doing and what I was thinking. And then him just kind of giving me this just awesome stuff to think about in terms of just like self-image and just getting comfortable in those positions. And a lot of times you have to go through them to start feeling comfortable. And I think that's what happened after Evian is I reflected and I think I started to know I knew

what I did wrong. And so I was able to kind of not do that today, which basically was kind of what Xander said after the open, which was like, don't let yourself dream too early. And that's definitely what I did at Evian on like that back nine. I kind of started thinking like, oh, I'm gonna win this. And that was when I lost it.

What's just from that perspective, did you come into this week feeling kind of worn down and tired or like invigorated and like, Hey, like I'm so close and I want to go just run through a wall right now. No, I think I felt really good with how I was able to keep my ball striking going from even through the off week, like, cause I hit the ball so good at Evian. And so I was able to kind of keep it going even in the off week and into this week. No, but I think I wasn't like obviously I was disappointed about Evian, but at the

same time, like Ayaka went five under through five. So like the last five holes, so it didn't really sting as much as I think it as it could have if I would have just lost it and made a couple bogeys coming in. You know, she kind of won, I didn't really lose kind of situation. And so I was really excited to get going. And I don't know, I just felt like, you know what, I told Terry on Wednesday night, the goal is just to go be relaxed, fun, carefree, Lauren, as much as I can throughout the whole week. And I think I was able to do it. I was blown away watching you watch the whole round. First of all, it's so fun to be able to watch your whole round. It's like, keep playing this well because I was just glued to the TV all weekend and

watching you play on Saturday, you had a smile on your face. Like, I've never seen you. You're normally smiling and very bubbly and laughing and stuff like that. But you had even bigger smile on your face. And then I think 15, it felt like it was kind of getting away from you. You had a really tough lot. Like you kind of, you went over the green, you had a tough lie coming back and you had like a 12 or 15 footer and you nailed it. I was like, man, this is different. This is like that. Like that was the moment I texted you last night. I was like, that was a moment where I was like,

man, that was this week feels different from the previous weeks. Did you feel that at that moment and kind of carry that forward? Yeah, for sure. I think that was a huge, you know, momentum. And I think it kind of helped. I mean, it probably is why Hey Rin kind of missed the putt to follow. I think you know she felt she might have felt it there at that time. But yeah that was huge just to kind of again I mean I made a really good bogey today on six like I had to make like a 15 footer for bogey today and like just little things like that can just keep it going and you know again I didn't really make anything other than that but I'm glad that that was one of the ones that I did make because making

a double is hard to overcome. We couldn't help but notice your, your nest and IT towel on the bag today. That, you know, that certainly gave me some good vibes. I'm sure that had to, you know, you had to draw back on some past, some past victories and, you know, I'm sure that was helping your mental game. No, for sure. You know, you guided me around those three holes in the crappy weather there, DJ. So I appreciate it.

We were a nervous wreck watching the whole day, but then it gets like to a different level of nerve after 17, two shots swing, you go to the tee. You had a little trouble getting the ball on the tee a little bit on 18, which quadrupled my nerve level. What was actually going through your mind there on 18 tee? So I put the tee down and when I put the ball down, it's like, oh, it's kind of slanted.

So I was like, okay, well, I don't want it, me setting up to the ball and it rolling off. So I'm like, okay, better make sure that I get it kind of level. So that's all that it was. It was more preventative than anything. Lauren, what was Terry saying to you? Like in the midst of you were either two or three down going into 11. And obviously, here on hit a poor shot into 11 makes double there. obviously Heron hit a poor shot into 11, makes double there. Did that really, I mean, how do you kind of, you're like, all right, I'm back in this. I was kind of, you know, giving something and then, but the putter is not cooperating with you at that point. Like it

looked like you were kind of shutting the face and they were showing a lot of close-ups of your putter and you're all like, oh man, she's hitting it so well. She's got to keep hitting it this well. What were you thinking kind of that stretch of the golf tournament? Yeah, I think honestly, I three-putted 10. And I don't know if they showed it, but I was just, I just had a huge smile on my face after because I was just like, I know exactly what I just did. It's not a big deal. And then obviously 11 happened and I was like, Okay, I'm back in it. Um, and yeah, again, she kind of, she kind of blinked a little bit yesterday. And so Terry kept

being like, you know, she's, she's, you're the better, you're the better player, we're the better team. That's what he kept saying. He's like, I don't care whatever happens, like we're the better team. And so that's what I kind of kept thinking about. And again, just like, he also just kept saying, they're gonna start going in, they're gonna start going in. So like, don't stay patient. And they did like the two putt on 15 was like the five what you hit on 15 was insane. And

then so you played the part threes eight under this week, which is also insane. And birdied 17, which is the rock is kind of wrinkled this week, back to back days, both days on the weekend. Like what was your secret on the part threes this week? Or were you just that in the zone? I mean for 17 just hit a little behind it. Yesterday hit a little behind it and it kind of chunked and up there, and then kind of did the same thing again today. But to be honest, today I needed it.

It was probably, if I hit it too good, it might have gone over the green, and so I needed to take a little bit off of it. I was more trying to hit a little, like, cut in there, instead I kind of hit a little, just a little behind it, and I killed it just enough. We were talking about that shot earlier, today, like, God, I was so smart. She knew exactly how that was going to bounce up there. Just played it like a links golf shot. Oh my God.

Well, we are, I mean, my irons are like my best, you know, in the bag and I started making, you know, 15 footers and that's kind of I can do that a lot you know hit it to 15 feet and I started you know making those putts. Is there any added pressure from Solheim? Do you think about Solheim at all at any point during the day or is this still just about winning this golf tournament today? I'd say it probably crossed my mind just briefly but I was able to kind of brush it off. I mean now I don't know I mean I'm sure I'm I mean I think I it off. I mean, now I don't know.

I mean, I'm sure I'm, I mean, I think I'm gonna be on the team now, but we'll see. It's still, I guess, not official till it's official. Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm extremely looking forward to that. You know, I've gone up and played it three times now. And I think I might go play it again. Alison Corpuz is coming up.

And then a couple of other people I think are coming up like the week before Scottish. So, you know, probably go see it a couple Alison Corpuz is coming up and then a couple other people I think are coming up like the week before Scottish. So we'll probably go see it a couple more times with them. What's on tap for tonight? We're going to get you out of here. I know you got some celebrating to do, but what's happening tonight? I think I'll have some beer and maybe some tequila upstairs. I don't know. Whatever they have left will be fine. Awesome.

I know John's drinking some bourbon. He's I think he's gonna let me drink. So he's gonna be nice. And then Terry's definitely already drinking. So I gotta go join him. All right. We'll let you go. We're so so happy for you, Lauren. Congratulations. This is just just an absolute thrill. For all of us that have followed you. We're just so happy for you and your family and everything.

So congratulations, go enjoy the evening, and we'll see you soon. Thanks guys, see you later. Cheers. Thanks Lauren. It was worth stretching the pot out a little bit for that. We knew it was coming, we needed to wait for that one. Fantastic. All right, what do you guys wanna do to wrap?

What's left? Anything left? Question wise. What was your sport for the Olympics? What I was asking. Three on three basketball, that's what I'm gonna go with. I think I could be a wing shooter in three on three basketball. I won't play any defense,

but I'll just kinda camp out in one spot and hopefully hit some shots. I said, I don't know, flag football? I don't know. I'm not getting through any of these. Is that a thing? Flag football, I'm just scrolling through the list. It will be in 28.

Oh, okay. I'm scrolling through the list right here. Handball probably not happened. Karate probably not happening. What about something where you had like other teammates like sailing or rowing where like you can hide a little bit you can basically be like hey I'm gonna give like two million dollars to the program you know or even equestrian like hey like hey I'm not gonna punch my horse sure yeah I'm gonna bring one of the best horses in the world and I'm gonna learn how to ride a horse it's also a great I'm not gonna punch my horse. Sure. I'm gonna bring one of the best horses in the world

and I'm gonna learn how to ride a horse. It's also- We're break dancing, Sully. I'm gonna be 46, eight years from now in this Olympics. I don't know, basically it would have to be curling, I think, and that's not a summer Olympic sport, so that would probably be the only, that's the one where they actually have other jobs and stuff

and then they go do curling in the Olympics. That'd be my best shot. TC, you've been doing a little bit of traveling, a little bit of golfing along the way. You played some golf in Sweden and Scotland. What was of first time courses you played on this trip? What were some, what were the highlights? Yeah, so I would say in Sweden, I played Olna,

which was founded by a Swedish kind of sportsman, sports legend Sven Thumba that he brought Nicholas in to design it. One of the better routings I played in a long time, it kind of brings you back to this gorgeous lake about four different times throughout the round. It kind of reminded me of Muirfield Village, very much a second shot golf course, exceptional conditioning. I think they had the Solheim Cup there. They had the old Scandinavian Masters there back in the day, but just a fantastic golf course. I loved it. Hand up for not including that in our tourist season. It was awesome.

It was like the quintessential Swedish golf course. So that would be up there, I think. And then, yeah, I went over to play a lot in Scotland, played Presswick a couple of times, which is, I feel like I understand the game of golf and the way it's developed and why culturally. What a generous, brilliant club. They didn't have to be as open and accommodating to the outside golf world as they were during the open. And you can tell that it's just like being social and hospitable is part of their DNA. And it's the way that the club's up. Like there's no games on Saturday morning that you can like bring your own game or like

it's all random and you just get paired up with people if you remember. So I like that. Turnberry was awesome. I mean, what a guy. I think all the changes that DT's made there, I love them. I think they're like to a man. They were all universally, you know, universally praised. So good stuff there. I think Western Gales for me was, I played really well. We had a really difficult win that day, but

what a golf course. I think very much fully realized, just really, really proper golf. You can't fake it. You didn't have to overpower it. It was more precision than it was power. Great greens, great, just really like what a proper golf club. And then played a place called Irvine Bogside. It's a James Braid design right along this train line. Deegh, like you of all all people would just adore this place. It's like, there's probably 14 or 15 holes that I've just straight up like never seen

before anywhere else. They did this driveable far four hard up against the train line. I think it was number four, number five. You could bank it off the wall, like the train wall back to the green. Depending upon where the pin was, you could lay up. The next hole was a driveable four straight up a hill. It looked like something out of Presswick. Just all sorts of outrageous shit there. And then, yeah, that was the West Coast. I went over to Shiskin and Corey for a day, saw our friends, Greg and Ewan and the gang over there. And then I think the biggest stunner of the trip for me was Dunbar. Dunbar was, Dan and I played

it on, we headed over, we played it on Sunday morning and then watched the open from that clubhouse Sunday afternoon. And I think if you gave me 10 rounds split between North Baric and Dunbar, and we played North Baric the next day, and I still feel this way, if you played 10 rounds between the two of them, I would say five, five. I liked Dunbar that much. And I'm not sure if that's just recency bias or I was blown away by it that much. But the stretch in the middle there from like four through 15 or 16 is like some of the most interesting, charming golf I've ever played. So if you're on the East Coast ever and you're looking to add around or you've played North Berwick a bunch and you're looking for something else to round out a trip, Dunbar is best of the best. It's awesome.

I would put it right on par with an Ely or a North Baric. Just wildly good golf course and good club, great hospitality, put with a couple of awesome members. I think the highlight of this trip too was just being able to play with members everywhere we went. And hey, it's a lot cheaper that way. Like when they sign you on, it's like their guest fees are very, very nominal. But a lot of people were very generous as well. But it's like, I think at my club here in the States, it's like a couple hundred bucks for a guest. You know, it's like, it's like 10 pounds, 15 pounds, 20 pounds. It's crazy. Um, so yeah, we played the Glen the next morning over there and the Glen was really cool.

Kind of a big walk. That's the East links of North Baric instead of the West links. Um, very quirky, you know, kind of more headland than it is coastal, but definitely worth a play and then played North Baric and then we were last off at St. Andrews after lunch in the RNA. And then we did a 36 whole day at Muirfield. So we rounded out to Muirfield is I kind of walked off there being like, yeah, you can make an argument that that's the best golf course in the world.

Like it was, it was that good. I'd put it up in that same tier as a Royal Melbourne, you know, West or Composite or, you know, St. Andrews or Royal Dornick or Pine Valley or Cypress or Sandhills. Like it's that good. So. This, I mean, hearing you rattle through this, this might be a full pod TC.

We really need to break this out into a full episode. I don't even know what to ask. I was like, I have a lot of follow ups. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And just the 36th old Dave at Muirfield, he put the jacket on. We played 36 holes of foursomes. So it was all shot for 36 holes, great hosts. And just, it's at no point did

I feel like I didn't get to play the golf course or I didn't get to enjoy it. If anything, I felt like I was almost enjoying it more. You're locked in with your partner. It's the best. A, you're locked in with your partner. And then B, you're kind of like, there's all these little paths where you can kind of put a head or, you know, you're constantly doing that, but you think you get time to actually pay attention to the routing and where it's taking you. Like the whole, you know, clockwise around and then, and then, you know, through the inner part counterclockwise was brilliant. We stayed at the Gray Walls hotel right next door. And it's just like, I don't know, it's really, and like seeing some of the stuff on the walls

too, like Harry Colt stuff. And then Tom Simpson came in and like shit all over some of the holes and said like, this hole could be brilliant if you like just a total arrogant playboy. I love it so much. So Yeah, I don't know just golf in Scotland in general in Sweden to that matter too. It's just coming back It just it's just kind of filled up the tank, but it also realized like, you know played I think three more kind of open rota courses on the trip and felt like Honestly, like the thing that I probably will remember the most is like going and playing Irvine Bogside or going and playing Dunbar.

Like those, you know, those, those new discoveries and being floored by a place that you didn't have the highest of expectations for, I think is something that'll stick with me just as much as going and playing a top five or top 10 golf course in the world. Yeah. And just with the people that we got to play with too. I mean, everybody to a man was. Being in Presswick during the open was really, really cool too. And just kind of the energy. You can see the grandstands and you can see the towers and all that stuff from stands and you can see the towers and all that stuff from, you know, from kind of that far into Presswick and, you know, everything just feels big and the RNA does such a great job. I mean, the logistics were spot on for how many people went. I think they probably didn't have enough

grandstands for how many people attended because there's not a whole lot of vantage points at Trune. But overall, I think that coast of golf kind of gets maybe a little bit diminished or a little bit overshadowed by the stuff on the East Coast in Fife and East Lothian. And it shouldn't. I think there's probably more depth there and just how close together all that stuff is. And you can keep going down the coast to Strandraer or drive a couple hours, get down to Southern S or still off on Solway as well. So I don't know. I just, man, Scotland is the center of the maze for me. I love it so much. And the golf's great, but the people are even better. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Yeah.

I'm gonna go travel. I'm gonna start booking some flights here in my end. That sounds like a dream. Any notes you want to get through before we wrap TC? Let's see here. I think I just wanted to say condolences to Mark Carnavale and his family. That was a real bummer to hear this week. I've been a long time listener and proponent of PGA Tour Radio and he's always a familiar and fond voice on there and he passed away unexpectedly here in Jacksonville I think over the last week. So former rookie of the year on the PGA Tour.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. He beat up, beat out Phil. I think that was always his kind of tongue in cheek claim to fame, but yeah, I'm, I'm with you, man. I loved, he was always fun to see, you know, roaming around inside the ropes and you get to, if you travel around the PGA tour enough, you get to know kind of everybody who does that at least a little bit. And so he was always very nice. And yeah, I'm with you.

A big PGA tour radio fan as I've, as I've said a number of times the last couple at least a little bit. And so he was always very nice. And yeah, I'm with you. Big PJ Tour radio fan as I've said a number of times the last couple of weeks. So that was a big bummer. Yeah. And then otherwise, I just had a note here about just the senior open. Beyond the Blandy fiasco, the cart fiasco as well, I think four or five guys applied for carts. And this is per John Huggins and Golf Digest and I think only one guy was approved for them. Paul Broderst was walking around all week walking with a walking stick and it's like, all right, this is the old spot. Can we just give them all carts, man? I think if one guy is getting a cart, all these guys should get all carts, man?

I think if one guy's getting a cart, all these guys should get a cart. Maybe they don't have enough of them at Carnoostia or whatever, but I watched a lot of that tournament and it was pretty good viewing too. They had the DP World Tour, the European Tour productions doing it. So it was Beamer and just kind of a proper broadcast crew there and a lot of handheld cameras and all of that. And honestly, I learned more about car news, the watching that event than I have watching some of the previous opens, just because you could see all the rips and rumbles and swales and everything from ground level instead of everything being

washed out by towers. So I mean, shit, like guys, like NBC Golf Channel, if you guys want to save some money, like, and I know, I know that's what you're about, like less towers, more handhelds. Yeah. Please. So, um, and then yeah, a couple of, just, uh, the, on the corn fairy tour, the envy five invitation in Chicago, German guy Thomas Rosenmuller won by two. But the real story that I thought was Carl Phillips, recent Stanford grad and kind of a standout junior player, didn't have the best collegiate career, but standout junior player. He's one of, I know he's Orber Johansson's best friend as well. He was tied for the lead pretty late. He finished second.

He's been T13 and T15 and his only other two Horn Ferry Tour starts. I know he Mondayed into one of those. So really, really good results from him and promising start to his career. Sam Bennett was also T3. He just wanted to make a note of that. Sam Bennett is not going away. As your platform continues to take on water. That's a DC.

I saw Olympia Fields announce the ring and Andrew Green for a redo on the North course. Seems like maybe an arms race of sorts developing there in Chicago as far as Medina. Just finishing up their number three course with Ocm, getting that grand opening done I think over the last couple of weeks here. And then I wanted to ask you guys about the Bryson DT video. I have not watched it. So I watched as I do with most of these videos, I watched the first like, I don't know, seven

minutes, eight minutes, kind of electric content, man. I don't know what to tell you. It's very surreal that it is happening, and if you can kind of lobotomize and detach yourself from the rest of the world, it just feels like a normal YouTube video. It's just wild. It's wild that that's where we're at in the world. DT, as we've said on this program,

and we'll continue to say this program, absolutely gets through the ball. I'm very jealous of his golf swing. It came up on multiple calls all week, people talking about how jealous of his move they were. However, the putting stroke leaves something to be desired. I think this was well covered elsewhere. Truly shocking, shocking move at the ball. Kutra had a couple of putts that looked like DT's putting stroke today. They were, it was less than ideal. It is, it's, how long is it?

It's pretty long. I'll effort that answer for you, but they're riding around in a golf cart and they've got like a GoPro on the cart. And so they're just mic'd up and they're just like talking. Again, we don't have to get into any kind of hot water here. But I mean, it's just the stuff that comes out of his mouth is it's just like, yeah, I mean, and obviously, you know, I own Turnberry, which is the number one rated golf course in the world. And we're just like, nah, I mean, and obviously, you know, I own I own Turnberry, which is the number one rated golf course in the world. Or just like, nah, I mean, it's just not like that's just, it's just like not true. And there's just like a lot of

that stuff. So it's 56 minutes long. Yeah. So I yeah, I don't know, I guess I would encourage people to watch it as a historical document. And I think you'd be shocked at how good Trump's golf swing is. I think you'd be shocked at how good Trump's golf swing is I think you'd be shocked how bad his putting is and Bryson kind of seems like a normal human being and hit some great shots that was my impression of the first eight minutes so I don't know what happens after that Bryson's funny like YouTube character is just cracks me up it is like it's like rolling around on

the green so dramatically like that is not your real actual reaction. I see what you're doing. I recognize that you're the Nickelodeon golfer. But it just is it is amazing how much he's like totally embraced like all the things that Neil does like as a parody. Bryson is doing in 100% sincerity. It's the best. I man Yeah, I don't know. I have a lot of thoughts. If you're also trying to be the best player in the world and you're trying to win majors and you're trying to be historically great at golf,

this is just, it's just a lot of smoke to call on yourself. You know, it's just a lot of, it's a lot of light to just, it's calling for the ball in a really, really, really big way. And I just wonder if that's going to catch up with our beautiful boy at some point here. He's feeling exposed right now, is kind of how it feels. But I don't know. That seems exhausting. It seems very- Funny story from Turnberry. We're sitting there having dinner after the round with a couple of

members who've been there for forever, like long-term members. And the one round with a couple of members who've been there forever, like long-term members. And the one guy orders a glass of Cabernet and waiters says, fine, comes back over a minute or two later and says, sir, I just have to tell you, the only cavernet we serve by the glass is Mr. Trump's cavernet. It's 24 pounds of glass. Because for fuck's sake, are you kidding me? You're joking, 24 pounds? And he's like, no, sorry. I apologize.

He's like, no, don't apologize. It's not your fault. Clearly it's... And he's like, how much is the merlot? He's like, sir. The merlot is seven pounds of glass I'll have the Merlot. Thank you. Thank you All right, let's move to rap Did not expect we get to close to two hours when I when I typed in 3m recap into the into the plan

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