No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 880 - Wyndham Chaos, Lydia wins gold, and DJ’s trip to Sand Valley

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

This week on the recap pod: Aaron Rai wins in Greensboro after a wild finish to the PGA Tour's final regular season event of the 2024 season and an all-timer from Matt Kuchar, meanwhile in Paris, Lydia Ko claims a gold medal and locks up her hall of fame credentials at the Olympics. We offer some thoughts on Olympic golf looking ahead to 2028, cover a great finish to the US Women's Am, recap DJ's trip to Sand Valley, and give some personal golf updates as well. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Thank you to Titleist and the new GT Driver Lineup, BMW and Blade and Bow. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no leg up podcast. They did the tour, did it again, man. They did it again. I don't know how, but just an absolute shit show of a finish on the Sunday night of the Wyndham classic, whatever it is. I don't even know what it is. I'm absolutely giddy right now.

Sali here. TC is here. Hello, TC. How are you? I can't wipe the smile off my face. Just that that last two hours was, was absolutely bonkers. I like that makes me thankful that we tune in for golf weekend, week out when something like that happens inevitably once or twice a year. I had no idea what we were going to talk about tonight. And then the hitch is kept on coming. in for golf weekend, week out when something like that happens inevitably once or twice a year. I had no idea what we were going to talk about tonight. And then the hitch has kept on coming. We'll get to him here. DJ Pies here. Hello, pie bed. Greetings guys. Yeah. I mean, first

of all, just let me say, wow, you know, just totally just leaving room for wow on this beautiful Sunday afternoon, a lot of joy to go around this week, especially for those that are moving onto the playoffs. We're going to revisit that conversation later in the show as we talk about our moments of joy brought to you by a partner who knows a little something about joy. That's of course foot joy, the official shoe glove and rainwear partner of no laying up. Why don't we just do yours right off the top TC? What was, we're going to do me and pie man's later, but I know what yours is and we cannot avoid that part of the conversation until I sent this over even before coach did that. I was just like the last two hours of that golf tournament. I mean, from, from coach hitting into the hitting into the leaders on 18 saying that he

wasn't going to play anymore to Aaron rise whole like seriously, unserious deal to Chad, like the drive-by on Chad Rainey at one point, when he just absolutely like no doubt rinsed one in the water as he was playing with the leaders, he's 15 shots back. The winter beach, you know, everybody. The sandcastle class. The sandcastle on 18T. Just all of it, it was incredible.

Like what a, like, and CBS stuck with it. They didn't have to keep televising after 6 or 7 PM or whatever. You know NBC would have bailed and sent it to CNBC or the cock or whatever. And no, they stuck with it all the way to the end. They did post-round interviews. They handled the whole Kusher kerfuffle at the end. The four putt from Grazer, ball going out of bounds, him hauling out on the previous hole. Like he was laying up into a cross bunker. It was incredible. Really. It was such a mess of a week. I'll give you a brief play by play if you happen to have missed it, but there was no play at all on Thursday. Thanks to Tropical Storm or whatever it was. Debbie, uh, that definitely rolled through our neck of the woods as well, TC, but a mixture of rounds was played on every single day.

36 holes and more for some guys were played on Sunday. Max Grazerman took the lead into the final round. He shot rounds of 69, 60 and 66. God admit, I missed the 60 until we were preparing for this. Whatever you want to call it round four recap. I don't know what day he finished that 60, but, uh, that's impressive. He holds out for Eagle on 13 and to take a four shot lead. And it's getting late. The sun setting, like, it looks kind of like,

all right, here we go. Like, this is what we're going to do. Steps up on 14 hits the cart path. It almost hits a two cops going by on bikes and goes out of bounds. Then he hits his next shot left into the rough. That could have gotten Harry. Sure. Laid up into a cross bunker somehow ends up making quad gives up the entire four shot lead. Steps up birdies 15. He's back. No worries. Hits it on the green on 16, lags up to three feet, four inches and lips out. Not one, but two putts makes double there. Meanwhile, I mean, Aaron Robb was playing a fantastic round of golf.

He made birdie on three, four, five and six left one on the lip on seven birdie 12 all of a sudden he is not checking leaderboards as they were as CBS had told us throughout the course of this day stripes down the fairway on 18 it's getting dark and hits a great shot in there to seven feet on 18 rolls in the birdie final round 64. Meanwhile, back there, Matt Kutcher's tea and playing in the final group has, as a million over par has played himself out of the golf term. It tees off while the leader of the tournament is still at the fairway on the

72nd hole blows it way left. Uh, Grazerman still has a ton to play for. Maybe at this point he thinks birdie could still get them into a playoff. He doesn't, you know, rise not made birdie yet. Still a par is solo second and a shitload of points as we're getting ready to go to the playoffs. Uh, Koonscher goes over and tells the rules official, I'm not playing anymore. I'm marking my ball and I'm coming back to finish on Monday as, as Luke Clayton played 39 holes today, coach, the incredible effort that went at the entire ground staff, the tour,

everything that goes into getting a tournament in on a Sunday night, which is a massive thing. I want DJ you to expand a little bit on this. Coocher says, I'm not doing it. I'm marking my ball and I'm coming back by myself on Monday to maybe, maybe scratch out a par and save myself 58 grand. Which I didn't know you could do, right? I mean, there's a lot of- I did not know that either.

Back in my- They said they simulated the air horn going off. They didn't actually blow it because it was just the two groups out there. So they did a virtual air horn. It didn't blow it. Like nobody would actually do this. We do not need a horn.

They blew it in the metaverse. Millions of simulations. The same guy running the simulations on all the the church of either the creator God what I thought that they were joking at first they were saying who's refusing to play shot I saw I thought he was withdrawing when he was reaching down for his bond You know what guys I'm holding this up Grazerman go try to make your birdie, you know, I'll get out of the way No, no that I'm dead serious. That's what flashed in my head was like That he was that he was like, you know what? The only thing that mattered to me was my FedEx cup playoff streak and now that I'm eliminated

I'm walking off and I'm never playing another round of golf. I'm done. But no, he's coming back on Monday. That's probably when they said, you know what? He will not play golf again. I was like, whoa, he's retiring? Like in the middle of the fairway? I guess left for off. Or it's a piece of play protest. That's what cannot be discounted. And I don't know. Gosh, I've just had spiraling here. I here. I feel like I've had, when I worked for the tour, I had very, very few interactions with Matt Kuchar. None of this is representative of him as a person. I don't wanna pretend like it is. But those interactions were very weird.

And he's just a very kooky, kind of aloof type of guy. I think I told the Fred Griffey Jr. story in my gin and tonic. It's just always like, you can go back and look at this somewhere. I used to do these like Google Hangouts all the time. Back when like that product first launched and I think Google wanted us to do them. I'd like get these players to come in for video chats. And there's one where Kucher just like bombs in and he like doesn't really know how the Internet works. And he's trying to like he won't

answer any of my questions. So he just keeps asking like, wait, like, where are you? Like, are you on site? Or are you like, are we just on the line here? And he just keeps going. Anyways, very weird guy. So TC, I'm split 50 50 on is this a slow play protest? Like you guys, I cannot believe you could not finish this. I can't believe Aaron rise do it his whole entire fucking vision 54 thing in the middle of this fairway. I'm just going to bomb it into him. And then I'm going to refuse to play and PJ tour. You could have figured this out over the last 18 hours. You need to do it.

So I'm going to make you guys all come back. Or if he's just like, no, I mean, it's what are you talking about? It's 50 grand. Like, of course I'm not, of course I'm not going to play. Like, I don't know which one of those I'm leaning on. That's the best part. It's hilarious. I've never seen anything like unprecedented stuff. It's isn't that what he isn't like 50 grand, what he ended up having the bonus he ended up paying L2 can. That's interesting. It's really just like, well, I heard it.

Now it's equal to 58K with inflation from when that happened. Like, yo, I'm getting this back. Poor, poor, I tweeted, you may be making a play for some extra free wind and reward points. They're probably staying on a wind and property this week for free. You know, could, could just be trying to top up.

Just, I bet he sent a proxy to the airport to see if he could get a voucher to move his flight back. You know, we have a thousand dollar voucher to move back into the Monday. I just, yeah, I was trying to dig in and figure out like what this means. Obviously they're not going to like open the gates for fans. So that means you don't have ropes and that means you don't have marshals and that means you don't have transportation. So it's not like the whole entire tournament needs to come back. But still, I mean, if you think about it's not like the whole entire tournament needs to come back. But still, I mean, if you think about it,

I think the big thing is you guys have seen like every Monday after a PJ Tour event, they always have the big am, am, you know, kind of shotgun corporate outing. I assume they got to move that back. There's probably some PJ Tour bylaw that's like you can't tee off before a certain time. Mr. Cooch just joins the 18 a group.

That's what I was going to say is like there's no fans, but it's just going to be all these like CEOs and just like random marketing people who are just going to be, I assume, just like crowded around the 18th green with no marshals there, just like waiting to high five him and shake his hand. It's just it's, I don't know, it'd be kind of a wild scene. I would say like, go, you know, if you can, like, go try to get in there. But I just, I just, I'm dying to see it. I just, I need to see what it, what it looks like. It kind of reminds me of like the TC member. I guess both of us, when we went to the, the COVID round at the players, remember like the Wednesday night when everything kind of popped off with, with COVID and the NBA canceled its season. And then the tour was like, yeah, Thursday, like gates open at 7 a.m. I was like, well, of course we're gonna go see this. This is like the once in a lifetime thing. It's kind of how I feel about this Greensboro situation.

Like, God, I'm just, I'm so jealous. He's in the middle of the woods. Yeah, he's just way left. He's just gonna like chop out, God. And for those that like wanna say like, well, you know, maybe for a $58,000 difference, this worth is coming back the next day when you're going to be stuck there no matter what. Max Grazerman grinded out a par after hitting in the bunker there in the dark.

And the difference between second and tied for third, it's probably close to like 300 K for him. I mean, he ended up making 861 K the guys that tied third made four 66, but if he would have dropped back into, if it had been a T2, it would have cost him a lot of money, right? And he just went right through it and made the par. Like he just, he just went. And he's a rookie and he did it in like, and he did it when his mind's probably in a blender.

Yeah. And he's now in the top 50. Like if he'd have fallen back into a tie for a second, he would have fallen out of the top 50, which he's got another week next week. He played himself into the playoffs, but it's really incredible. And this is Kutcher's not going to make the playoffs either way.

Like there was not, it's not like his season's on the line. This is what broke his streak. This is the last thing he's going to do. He's not going down without a fight. He's probably lobbying for some sort of Aaron Rye slow play thing. You know what this reminds me of? The TC like never surrendered. TC loses a match six and four, and he just keeps playing the match the rest of the way

and tries to lose it two down. This is kind of like what Cooch has got going right now. I just do they got to have shot up player dining. That's really like, like have like the line caught, uh, you know, salmon or the, the organic grass fed meat. I mean, I feel like a guy that's, you know, putting up the stink over notoriously been a little stingy with the cash. I got to imagine he's trying to squeeze out somewhere, another player dining meal out of this. I don't think he's stopping for a bacon egg and Gouda Starbucks on the way there. I'm sure he's got a process and then, you know, they got to open up the range.

They got to keep shot link. You know, I would imagine like the shot link trucks, they're probably trying to pack all that shit up, Put it on the truck and have all those guys roll out to Memphis. But you got to keep. Yeah, it's just it's crazy, man. Crazy, crazy. So funny. Which I still can't believe you hit into the group on 18. I think I was right with right. Was like doing his two minute routine and in the middle of that. And Gooch are just looking sales went into them. Imagine what if you hit and in the middle of that, and Kutcher just sales one into him.

Imagine what if he would have just hit Ry in the back? I mean, it's just, yeah. I honestly, another thought was like, oh, he's like, oh, I hit 160 miles an hour. Like I can't reach anybody. There's no, unless there's a cutoff man out there. Except for Ry. Yeah, that's true.

Ry might be the only guy he could catch. Oh my God. And then I mean, Kutcher just, he looked gassed the whole time too. Like it was, you know, they played what? Like bits of three rounds today. They played like, like some guys had to finish up their second round this morning. Kutcher then goes out and plays all around three, all around four. He's what? 47 years old. Looked like he, he'd just been through like a grueling, you know, 36 hole final with like one of the young bucks

at the club and, and, you know, needs, needs an IV or something afterwards. God, that this, the leaderboard is just hilarious. T12, 17 holes through. He's got one half of a hole to play. Not that this is, I hate to overshadow Aaron Rye's win. This has been the same. Oh yeah. Let's talk Rye.

Cause that was a great round of golf, great tournament, 65, 65, 68, 64, but bogey free today. And, and, you know, I thought when he didn't birdie 15, I was thinking, all right, Grazerman's going to come back and, and, you know, birdie 17 or birdie 18 and, and, and get this thing done. And, you know, the four putt obviously happened with Kraserman and then I don't know, rise. I mean, rise, rise approach into 18. Like we didn't see such a good shot. We didn't see a whole lot of guys down the stretch other

than cam young really get that thing in their clothes. And he just, you know, flushed it rise rise having such a good summer. Unbelievable. Such a good summer. And it's listen, this is well documented because he keeps playing well. We keep talking about it. Mucho not my thing to watch. Seems like an awesome guy. Cool story. But I mean, he has gone T2 at the Rocket Mortgage, T7 John Deere, T4 at the Scottish, T75 at

the Open and then wins this week. I mean, it's just it's a crazy, crazy heater. And he just seems like such a guy that gets, you know, that old cliche, just who gets the most out of their talent. You know, he hits it kind of nowhere, but just maximizes every little square inch of the game and clearly very into the process TC, which, you know, you and I got to respect, uh, as much as we might not like how it looks.

It's just what an impressive, impressive victory, impressive victory. I mean, he was what 8.75 shots gained on the field in approach play this week. Yeah, just outrageously good proper Donald Ross course. Like you had to hit it in the fairway. That rough was lush this weekend after all that rain. This is prior to today. Ry has been the 11th best player in the world since like June 24th, since like the end of June, since basically since his rocket mortgage, like the start of his hot run.

I bet I could go back even farther because he had a good US Open and he would still be well represented near the very top. Like it's been a very sustained run of successful golf. And like, correct me if I'm wrong. So gosh, if you go back to June 10th, he's the fifth best player anywhere in the world in strokes gained.

Which this might be the play. Well, yeah, the strokes gained is, I know that kind of flattens everything out like tour to tour and is apples to apples. But not a true strokes gained. No, I'm saying in a good way, like in a good way. But it is kind of funny. We were talking on Slack today about how the PGA tour just has a weird issue with all of its stats now with so many of these events just being like, you know, there there's very clearly kind of the mule, the mule

driving events and the, and the big signature events and like combining all of those up into some of these antiquated stats is just a really funny thing. Like I was looking at, I was watching the Chad Ramey drive by and no offense to Chad Ramey at all, seems like a great guy as well. But I was like, man, I feel like I've seen this a lot. And so I was looking at the final round scoring average stuff, which he's not good at. But, but it is just funny to see, you know, Rafa compost, uh, playing a bunch of birdie fest events up there with Scotty Scheffler and, and putting their final round scoring average kind of apples to apples is like, guys, we just need two tours. Because I think that's almost like my big takeaway from today is on a day, like when the

finish is that good, I didn't miss anybody that wasn't there. You know, if you just tell me like, hey, here's what the sandbox is, so to speak. That was unintentional. But here's the sandbox for this week, which is, you know, we're playing on this beach. Yeah, we're trying to figure out kind of who is trying to get promoted and who is going to be left behind. I think the stakes are pretty clear and it's still just as captivating. Maybe not just as captivating, but it's captivating in a different way. When you're not trying to constantly tell me what we just watched is the same as Riviera or Bay Hill or Memorial or whatever.

Fast Mea culpa. I was not sorting properly. I was only looking at guys within the Wyndham field. Ry has been the 21st best player since June 10th. So that's two months. I don't think thatham field. Ry has been the 21st best player since June 10th. So that's two months. Not fifth, not fifth, but 21st. But no, Dej, I'm with you. I think like, let's not pretend like this event's not different or that John Deere's not different.

It is. And like, he just earned a place at the big table, you know, see at the table. Exactly. He's in the top 50 now. He gets to go play all the, all the SIGI no cut events and, and, you know, do that. Like, man, I want to, I want to like Ry. I even like his, like, I like his swing. I like his story. I like what he's about.

I just don't, I just can't, I can't get down with the whole iron. I can't get down with the iron covers. I don't care the story behind it. I just can't get down with it. And I can't get down with the, with the pace and the pre the story behind it. I just can't get down with it. And I can't get down with the with the pace and the pre shot routine. And to say nothing of the gloves. The gloves are fine. My uncle juice where black. Craig, if I rise a graduate of the of the top 10 on the Euro tour, DP world tour, getting PJ Tour status, correct? Yeah, like that's a success story there of like, you know,

bringing talent over. I mean, I know a lot of fans of the DP world tour don't think it's the best thing in the world to ship out, you know, the 10 top winners, but like a big thing like with Peli was like, dude, I have to, my job is to provide the best possible career path for our members, for the players, right? And giving them opportunities to graduate into a field

where they can go compete against not a ton of the top players in the world and win 1.4 million is creating that opportunity. And he's a product of that success. So congratulations to him on that. And I think some of the, you know, the top 50, I guess that'll all sort out after the first round of the playoffs, but saw, I saw you had a tweet today

that was kind of spelling out basically who moved in from last year and who moved out from last year. And I took that. I mean, I know there's the Hovland and Spieth and there's some of the still, you know, Hovland gets it. Well, sorry. We'll get into that section. Yeah, we've got a whole,

we'll do a whole little look into that. Cause I do find it interesting for as much as people have cooked up some, a storm about the whole thing. It's like, yeah, it's kind of working out. They said it was going to, but we'll get into that. I always enjoy this turn of things. I was loving that together as, as kind of co-dubs, I think the system in general.

I always liked this tournament as a season ender or like regular season ender. Cause I feel like it's so agnostic as to skill set or as to, you know, you got to drive it in the fairway. You can lay back off the tee. If you want to, you got to hit your irons well. You know, you got to putt well to win anywhere, right? But like, you know, Ry hit what, like, I think 43 of 56 fairways this week, and he hit 82% of his greens, missed 13 greens all week. That's so many. Which is really freaking good. But it's like a Donald Ross golf course. Can't fake it. You got to hit the ball close. Like you got to control your spin today with

the greens, you know, sucking back in spots. They were still like surprisingly firm though, too. So I don't know. I'm like this course. This event always ends up just leaving a good taste in my mouth. I was like, you know what? Like I wish there were more PGA Tour events on courses like this. Well, and they did a good job, I felt like today, of showing the slopes and the elevation change of a lot of the shots and the uneven lies that you're dealing with throughout this course. And the greens are so severe,

and it makes the short putts really interesting. I mean, what happened with Grazerman on 16 was a result of Donald Ross Green. What's the part three on the back that all the balls roll all the way off of super long part three on the back. I don't have that in front of me, but 1212. Like dudes, you can land it if you land in the middle of the green on that slope, it's coming all the way

back off the front of the green. There's just a lot more dramatic stuff that can happen. And that's as soft as it possibly can be right. I mean, we had six inches of rain in the early part of this week. And, you know, I don't love watching thick ass Bermuda, but it's a little more fun when it's not all driver course, right? And it's exactly it. I don't know for everyone that says we just hate on every golf course. Like, no, we don't. I mean, there's, there's, there's good ones, there's average ones, and there's bad ones. I've put this slightly above average golf course in the PGA tour.

You mentioned the six inches of rain thing. And I know we already talked about it, but it just cannot be overstated how much this entire just crew and team got punched in the all week, all week. And now it's fine. Like, you know what, man, we did it. We got through it. They're going to finish. This is incredible. And then just for those people that have to come back tomorrow, like they should not mow. They should not mow the course in the morning. Sure. Absolutely not. Mow it. I would like like like somebody needs to do an oral history of this.

Don't mow the fair. Don't mow the rougher fairways, but mow the green down to like a make it a 15 with that slope. So he's got to put on like a basically a ruined 18 or just fucking scalp it. Yeah. Yeah. Have a good day. This feels like it's going to go in that pantheon of the Ken Duke 65, you know, just those, those little moments that you feel like you shouldn't, you know, they just become larger the life. I feel like the 2024 Wyndham is just entered that pantheon.

Grazerman what Matt's offered is fair. Grazerman man. I feel bad for him at this point. Uh, after holding out on 13 and it's the listed, it was a bad drive on 14, but it does just stink when a ball that's not that far offline hits a cart path and goes out of bounds. It just, it, that's not, that's not good architecture. That's not good. Uh, you know, so many clubs over the course of many years have added car paths that have gotten too close to fairways and that and the rest of what happened I think was safely his fault, but that was a really harsh punishment for an offline tee shot and really bad

break. And I'm gutted for him as 23rd start on the PGA tour, 29 year old like had a very, very, very good chance. It was minus 3000 I think to win at one point today. And it's also just a different scale of like, yeah, it's fair to say he choked, but like when you're playing that much golf in one day, like you're gonna hit a wall, right? It's about how you handle it, of course. And he just hit a wall at the worst possible moment.

Playing that final group has to suck too, of just how much waiting you have to do and wondering if you're gonna finish as an extra layer of stress and the whole thing. He's a quick player too. He was, he was, you could tell the pace of play stuff and he was fighting through it. Like, like you said, in total, total cruise control, he, you know, it was pretty offline, the drive, he got, he got unlucky with it, but that's the rub of the green. I think where he really, the most befuddling part was just the, the, the layup into the bunker.

Yeah. Where it's like, man, like, like how does your caddy not, I mean, that's gotta be one, like the first rule of caddying. Like, all right, if you're going to lay up, lay up and like give him a club or, or make sure that he knows this is your run up to that bunker and there are no circumstances do we get within 20 yards of it, you know? And calm him down, right? He's kind of Russian probably at that point. And, uh, you know, just, yeah, it's, that was, that was really tough. The, the

putting on 16 was, I had to look away when he had the short putt on 17 because, uh, at those, those two, I mean, three putting from three feet, four inches. When she's crazy, he had a four putt and he still gained 6.4 shots on the greens all week. Really? He putted so well this week and props to him for, I mean, he handled it like he didn't change his composure down the stretch after the quad. He birdies the next hole. Obviously he makes the four putt on 16 and then class act on 17 and 18 and finishes gets up and down on 18, which was big for him and you know, finishes with a smile on his face and just kind of rolling with the punches. So I thought that showed a lot about his character and his class.

And a serious rookie year too. I mean, I know one of these was the Zurich, but third top five of the year as a rookie is very impressive. It's kind of fun. I mean, this is, it takes a lot of work on the fan side, I think, to learn who these guys are and to seek out watching them. But once you do, I mean, I'm much more interested now to watch him against Scotty Scheffler and Xander and all these guys. Once we get into the playoffs this week, you know, once you kind of fold the two tours together, I think it gets a lot more compelling when you have guys like this. And I know a lot of these guys are I know a lot of these guys are pretty anonymous. And and, you know, a lot of them are kind of coming off the the tour player factory, doing a little digging. His story is crazy, man. It's really cool with his parents.

I don't know if you guys looked into any of that, but both his parents were Soviet refugees who left the Soviet Union in the 80s, didn't know each other, both wound up in New Jersey, met at college. His dad got four degrees, including a PhD, became a professor at Columbia. And then Grazerman, his mom was a tennis player at Rutgers, I think.

And Grazerman, they got him into golf when he was a kid and went to go play at Duke and now is kind of doing it, man. So it's, I don't know, if you, if you as a fan are able to kind of take a little bit of time to peel back the layer, I think it's a little frustrating that fans usually have to do a lot of that work on their own. But that's another story for another day. But props to Max Grazerman. Cause that's a really cool two tournaments back to back. I mean, the moment at 3M was really cool going, going forward on that last hole. And then, uh, this was certainly memorable if nothing else. And he had a T 21 at us open to like play it really well there. And he's had,

well, this is like, I think his sixth top 35 finishing a row. So he's, he's closing the year in style and he's inside the top 50 now. Yep. It's just, it's a Ryan and Grazerman of the example of like, dude, there was, there's some points and money available again to get into the playoffs and to get in all the, all the CIGI events for next year. Like those, there's, the path is there, man.

Play some good golf against some fields that are not the best player, not all of the best players in the world. And you're going to get to play with all the best players in the world. That's where I, yeah, we'll get against some fields that are not the best player, not all the best players in the world. And you're going to get to play with all the best players in the world. That's why. Yeah, we'll get into some of this. Just to follow up, we got a tweet here from Porter. So according to some folks that Doug Bell ESPN spoke with Kutcher was frustrated. Nobody alerted him about the golfers in the fairway on 18 before he hit

into them is he couldn't see them. So he just wouldn't hit a shot after that a true you can't fire me. I quit situation. That doesn't make any more sense. That makes no more sense. They were waiting all day, right? Yeah. I mean, to just add a volunteer that didn't tell him there was people in the fairway up there. So I'm not, I'm making everybody come back tomorrow. That's, that's, that's worse. That is a hundred percent making it worse. God, so good good. How many times has Matt Kuchar played this event in his career, you think? I don't wanna do this.

15 probably. That's gonna make me do it. I'll look, I'll look. Just think about that. Of all the times that he's played this event, this golf course, knowing that, hey, on 18, you can't see the guys down, down the hill.

Like that's insane. Luke Clanton, another top five finish for him, the amateur, he is taking a PJ up to Hazel team. Probably as we speak, ready to play the U S amateur this week. What a fricking run he's had playing on the punch puncher sponsor exemptions this year on the PGA tour, obviously not eligible for the playoffs as not being a member. But it looked like he had one point today he was going to win. He still made a lot of bogeys this week. He made 10 bogeys but finished solo fifth and shot 1400 parts or shout out to him.

He's he's been fun to watch man that guy moves it and as he's lit some mules on fire this this stretch, like, you guys want to complain about things that you got better go out and beat the amateurs that are playing against you pretty consistently. The by the way, Couture's played only it's only his third appearance at this. He hasn't needed it. He's always making the playoffs. Right. So, you know, he's he's he's trying to top up here at the end of the year. But yes,

the Clanton PGA tour, you mule eradication programs, we working quite well. By my count, there was only one change in the top 70, um, from this final week. Usually it is a little bit of a grind of guys getting in and out the playoffs, but number 72 through 79, uh, all missed the playoffs this past week. Andrew Putnam, Kirk Kitiyama, Luke List, Lucas Glover, Lee Hodges, and Adam Schenck. Sorry, they all missed the cut this past week.

So obviously did not move up, but Victor Perez moved up into the playoffs and who fell out, sorry, who finished 71 Davis Riley ended up falling out finishing 71st. Victor Perez looking good for him. Yeah. For a Ryder Cup slot next year if he keeps this up and can, you know, it should be a pretty good course for him next week too in Memphis. So we'll see.

Joe Highsmith made his third ace of the season today TC. That's yeah, that's crazy. This weekend, third ace of the season. That's truly wild, man. I just put that in there. It's like, man, you made three aces on the PGA tour this year. And it's crazy too, because I follow a lot of golf. I know pretty much every guy coming off corn fairy tour. I could probably go 70 or 80 deep on the corn fairy tour right now. I have no idea who Joe Heisman is. Like zero clue that's on me. Just not familiar with this game.

This next segment presented by BMW proud title sponsor of the BMW championship since the inception of the FedEx cup playoffs, as well as the official vehicle of no laying up. They are looking forward to welcoming the top 50 players in the FedEx cup to Castle Pines golf club in Denver in two weeks. So I, I, I think I've done this right. I dumbed with the adjustments. I tweeted this out earlier, but I checked in on this in June where we said the original models, the PGA tour had for the top 50, which is guys, the, you know, whoever makes the BMW championship this year will be exempted to all the signature events next year. They were

modeling out that they were estimating eight and 40% churn meaning 18 of the 50 spots will get replaced. And as of today, there were 17 replaced and I think it is now flipped over to 18 new guys that will be in the field and 17 that have cycled out the 18th guy in that is Cheryl Hatton, who was in but flipped over to 18 new guys that will be in the field and 17 that have cycled out. The 18th guy in that is Cheryl Hatton who was in but left for live in January. So that is a little bit complicated, but it's almost a, it is a perfectly modeled out thing. As of now, there's one more week to go obviously with Memphis, but the 18 guys that have played

their way into the top 50 are Ludwig Oberg, Shane Lowry, Matthew Pavan, Justin Thomas, Steven Yeager, Thomas Detry, Will Zell, Taurus, Akshay Bhatia, Christian Bezadenhout, Taylor Pendreth, Big Shot Bob McIntyre, Jake Knapp, Austin Eckroat, Billy Horschel, Alex Norrin, Davis Thompson, Adam Scott, and Max Grazerman with that up and down on the 18th hole today. He is in 47th, I believe. Which yeah, I didn't want to step on this earlier, but that's a dub. I don't know that. Look at that list of names.

I feels like, you know, I'm, I'll go to battle with that variety. Yeah, that's fun. That's fun. I think that's, I think that's good stuff. Notable name moving in TC is Joe Highsmith. I just pulled up his page as you were talking about this guy stinks straight up. Notable name that did not move up into the list Lanto Griffin, who was of course complaining a lot about the points distribution and the closed shop. One of many guys complaining about the closed shop. But again, that's why every at every stop this year where we've had a chance to be like, dude, this is possible. A lot of people have done that, I just list off the 18 guys. The 17 guys that are currently outside the top 50, Victor Hovland, Adam Schenk.

Sorry, these were guys that were in the top 50 last year that have fallen out despite having exemptions into all of the signature events this past year. And quick preface, if you're inside the top 30, the OWGR, it doesn't matter if you fall out, you still get into the speakers. As of the time of the eventsGR, it doesn't matter if you fall out. You still get into the speakers. As of the time of the events, though.

It's not. Oh, right. I don't think it's as of the events. Wow, is that true? Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah. Shoot. Yeah, I didn't think about that.

Yeah. That's Victor Hovland, Adam Schenck, Ricky Fowler, Lucas Glover, Jordan Spieth, Emiliano Grillo, Ryan Moore, Justin Rose, Andrew Putnam, Kirk Kitiyama, Adam Svensson, Lee Hodges, Seamus Power, Eric, Country Music Sensation, Eric Cole, I might have over done the tour. I know Brendan Todd, Patrick Rogers, and Harris English is was the guy that got bumped out today into the 51st spot. Some

a lot of those guys that are listed, like English is 51st, Rogers is 53rd, Coles 54th, Rose 55th, Hovland 57th, going into a playoff event where a lot of points are gonna be available. It is not set in stone. Speeth is 63rd, his season is obviously not done. So it's not over over for a lot of these guys to get in. A lot of these guys that you mentioned Deegh

are gonna be, some of these guys at least will. A lot of these guys that you mentioned Dej, some of these guys at least will have a very good chance of being in the top 30 of the OWGR and get exemptions into these. And also a lot of these guys would be eligible for these all important sponsor exemptions if Webb is not hoovering them up. I think really just Hovland, right?

I mean, Jordan's I think down like 39 or something. Ricky's way off the planet. I think Hovland might be the only one that's even kind of close. and who knows what's going on with You know Jordan's wrist. I know we'll get to that later. But Yeah, he might be might be a different looking year. Although like you said with the sponsor exemptions, I guess that kind of Kind of covers everything up Which it is so

funny to look at the leaderboard right now and just play has been suspended and funny to look at the leaderboard right now and just play has been suspended. Did they get like, did the tour, I haven't even seen, okay. Yeah. They're, they're giving them the trophy. That was one thing I was, I was wondering like, are they going to like have the trophy ceremony when the tournament is not technically over? But, uh, I mean, think about all the little downstream things too. Like they can't do all the little procedural things that they normally do

tonight. They can't, they probably can't finalize the payouts. They can. It's incredible. So good. They definitely can't finalize the play at the payouts until until he's sold out. So I do want to give a shout out to country music sensation, Eric Cole finished T seven this week, along with the up and coming opening act trace Trace Crowe as well. It might have been a flip flop. But yeah, Eric Cole, he's coming back around. Trace Crowe. I am sorry to get on my soap box.

Those two were always solo acts, man. And as soon as they tried to match up, they were both worse off for it. So good riddance, I think let's, let's, let's go our separate ways and just get this thing under control. And then, and then Billy, Billy kept up his good play with, with the T seven followed by, I think he was more excited that, that, uh, Aaron Rye won than Aaron Rye. What a wild pairing. That's, that's just electric factory. I love it. This is of course, 99% of jokes.

Does Billy hate Max Grazerman or something? Like he was just rooting so hard for Aaron Rye. He was practically carrying him across the finish line. I think Rye moved. I think Rye lives in Jacks or Punavidra now. So I think they may play together a little bit. Yeah, but I feel like Billy just rides for whoever he played with or whoever he knows or whatever.

He was just hugs and hand pounds all day. He was talking about a vodka soda or a beer at the turn at one point. They might've been talking footy, you know? Aaron Rice, an English guy, Billy's over there all the time watching soccer matches. Who knows? Yeah, Aaron's from Wolverhampton.

We have a film room also coming out from Castle Pines with TC and Roger Steele playing the course. That video made me want to play that place immediately. I can't wait to watch the pros play that just at altitude, massive elevation changes. It's well, I'm stoked to see them have to use their minds. Yeah. It's like Chipotle pack. I mean, it's very different from Chipotle pack, but it's like Chipotle packing that they have to do all sorts of crazy

equations and like it should be a complete electric factory down the stretch. I just want to see leads change hands down the stretch, which I feel like happens less and less because the driver head is so much easier to hit now and the ball doesn't spin as much. We can get more of that volatility on Sundays. PGA Tour golf is so fun to watch. Yeah. Jordan Spieth, the wrist doesn't sound great, guys. Just reading some quotes from his press conference this year, earlier this week.

He said, it's been a frustrating year because it's been maybe my best driving year ever than the clubs that I make the most impact into the ground with, which normally are my bread and butter, have been pretty off. It's not hurting, but subconsciously it's hard not to look at the numbers and think this isn't a coincidence.

He said, probably going to have to do something about it in the off season. I'm gonna pretend nothing's happening, fully trust it given that I'll be able to get it fixed. And I know there's a lot of golfers that have similar situations that have come back better than ever. He said, I also said I like to think hopefully I have 10 to 15 years of prime and some of my best golf left. So I'll be optimistic about the process, but I'm not quite sure exactly what I'll do and where I'll do it. But unfortunately, someone kind of has to get done. And I've never experienced anything like this before just trying to take my time making sure things are done right at the done right at the right

time. A lot of a lot of words to say I don't really know other than like, and I know nobody really actually cares about the President's Cup. But are we are we crossing off President's Cup for Spieth? I mean, bad golf. I mean, would he qualify anyway? No, but a captain's pick I'm saying like, uh, are you, are you, are you taking them on the team? Or is he going to go have surgery as soon as you should have shut it down right after the British open and just said, Hey, let's, let's get this thing right.

Let's have surgery. And now it's like, you know, the longer he draws it out, the longer his rehab is going to stretch into next year. And if he needs to kind of come out of the gates, I'm firing next year to get more. I'm sure that top 50 though, man, like I'm sure he doesn't want to have to have sponsors exemptions into the end of all those big events next year. I'm sure he doesn't either, but I also think getting early sponsor exemptions with, you know, Copalua and RIV and Pebble. And I mean, those are kind of places he feeds,

right? More so certainly than the Bay Hills and memorials and places like that. So I think getting off to a good start seems like, I don't even know what the rehab would be on something like that. I don't even know if you have to have like full on wrist surgery. I don't know if you'd have time to even get back for those. I don't know. Actually, Grazerman had surgery too. I think that was another thing he was going through. Yeah, I don't know. It's not fun. It just seems like even this year, it's like, all right, if it was this bad, why not take a major medical, have surgery, get it right, and then have some starts to play with next year where you don't really have to back yourself into a corner. And then, it's tough too, just going back to Grazerman as well, I think an even more

impressive thing about his season this year and hats off to Tyler, the creator for all his simulations and that sort of thing. I will say the one thing that they kind of, the one of those golf hats. The one thing that they kind of whiffed on was, was how, how many guys were going to start playing and like some of the mule events where I got like a guy, a rookie, like, like Max Grazerman, like it's really freaking hard to keep your two. Like I would say there's probably a smaller percentage of rookies this year that, that, you know, graduated from Q school or corn fairy tour school that are gonna keep their card because there was like no starts to go around

the first half of the year. Yeah. Right. So that makes it more impressive for Grazerman but I think that's where, I think it's like it's even more impressive for Spieth or important for Spieth to really, really play well coming out of the gates next year to set the rest of his season up

so he doesn't have to go play 3M or you know, shit like that. Right? Yeah. Which I mean, another thing though is like, even if you can land a couple of sponsors exemptions to start the part of the year that doesn't like playing your way through the rest of this of the end of the all the events is difficult, right? It's not like you just get up into, you know, unless you get in the world ranking way up there, it's, it's, uh, uh, or the Aon swing five and the next 10 and all that stuff. They thought about this. Tyler, the creators got on all this stuff, which I did. I did think it stunk this week that the

Comcast business top 10, there wasn't a single move inside or outside the top 20. Nobody plays. Nobody, nobody dropped. Yeah. Nobody played. Nobody got in. And also we went all the way this time. Cam Young finished T22. That was one of the worst putting performances I've ever seen. He was number one for the week in strokes gained off the tee. Gain almost five shots off the tee. He was 60th in strokes game putting for the week, lost two, over two and a half, lost five shots on the greens today. 66 today on the greens.

Or in round four, I should say today, is expanded beyond that. So that's tough to see. We gotta get him figured out. He's too good to be doing this stuff. Yeah, that was easily the worst in the field on this Sunday and the Sundays have become a thing. As golf enthusiasts, we've come to appreciate the tradition of celebrating a round of golf with

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congratulate you on running two out of three and I will no longer be doing that. That's happy skeins day though. So how did it go? It didn't go great. It didn't go great. I'm still whipping DJ pie's ass, but we're fine. A lot going on in fantasy baseball. We were not going to do that just yet because we have some Olympic golf. Stay tuned for that on Solly's channel. That video will be on Solly's channel. This is the main event. The Olympic golf was awesome.

Yeah. We were planning to talk about this first, but we'd have just had such a hysterical finish that we had to flow our giggly momentum right into this one. But Lydia Ko is wrapped up on Saturday, of course. Lydia Ko wins the gold medal. She led by as much as five in the final round, went into the back nine with a four shot lead, just like John Rahm did, but made a very bizarre double bogey from the middle of the fairway on the 13th,

135 yards out, dumped one in the water. Got a little nervy there down the stretch, but she played mistake free, rolled in a birdie after laying up on the 18th hole. 18th plays a par five for the ladies. Played it as a three shot hole the entire way. Hit a nice wedge in from 76 yards, end up winning by two over Esther Henselot from Germany and Janet Lynn won the bronze medal. This of course put Lydia Co into the Hall of Fame,

her 27th Hall of Fame point. Terrific question. How many Hall of Famers are there on the LPGA? Do you guys know this? Not a lot, right? Gosh, I don't know. 12. I'd say 19.

There's 28, but that's still not a lot. Technically like 27 or maybe more than that because they've inducted a bunch of the founders in that was like not necessarily based on their career. But yeah, she's said that Bethann Nichols article that had Lydia listed as the 28th person to be in the Hall of Fame, which is kind of crazy. Wins the gold after winning bronze in Japan and silver in Rio. She's got the complete set. She has lost, one of the medals was in a playoff as well. So she, well, even over the 72nd holes,

she was not, I think maybe in Rio that was a playoff. She said, for it to have happened here at the Olympics is just unreal. I do feel like I'm a mythical character in a story tale. It really couldn't have gotten any better than I could have imagined. I've had so many grateful things that have happened in my career so far and this really tops it. I couldn't have asked for anything more to be honest.

We've heard enough of these quotes from players both on the men's and women's side that I'm curious asking you guys, does it make you view the Olympics any more, any differently? And the next question is going to be like, where do these tournaments end up ranking? You know, in terms of what what if you were a player what you would want to win? Does that differ on the men's and women's side? But I'm I got to admit like something about the as a skeptic on golf in the Olympics, there's something about that podium thing that is skeptic because like a four round tournament, it's the same criticisms we've had every time around. I'm just, it's the same format and kind of a somewhat dull

format compared to what we see week to week. But the podium thing makes it a little bit different. And just some of these quotes in both Lydia Ko and Scotty crying up there as their national anthems played was, it just hit a little different in this go around than it has in the first two Olympics. Yeah, I think it's definitely, I mean, I think the podium thing's sweet. I've started doing it for, you know, majors. Tommy's Tommy's got several

silvers, a bronze in majors. You know, I think it's a really good way to like, I think if anything, it makes some of our best players careers more, more impressive as well. Like if you look at Jack Nicklaus's career, like, Oh my God, he had like 18 silver medals. That's crazy. Far, where he believe this 57 total medals. He had like, uh, 19 seconds and like 17 thirds or something like that. Yeah. So, yeah, no, I think, I mean, it's on a great trajectory. I think as, as we look at, at Riv for 28, which again,

I thought they announced that like years ago, but I guess they just announced it in the lead up to this. And also, Sally, will you apologize to the golf national? Absolutely not. Terrible golf course. I'm glad to be rid of that place all over again. It was Marco Simone, like golf national. I apologize for Marco Simone. I will-

How was it bucking? It is so bad. And you know this TC, you know this. You are playing a bit in this and I will not allow it. You know that place is a disgrace. That is one of the worst design and aesthetically and just conceptually golf course I've ever seen. Like professional golf be played on.

It's so bad. The worst? Like all the catch basins, the shapes of those greens, the shapes of the fairways, like it doesn't even, it makes no strategic sense. It's not even that good of an execution test. It's awful. Ah, it's awful.

It makes for fascinating viewing. Good views for the people that are there is the only thing, positive thing I can say about it. It's a field. It is a horse field. It is not even a golf course. I despise that place.

Oh, I'm still so mad about that. They cut down these trees to make this close. TC, I'm with you on the Olympics. I think the trajectory is great. I think, Sal, it's worth revisiting why we're so skeptical and where this has come from in the past 12 years, where when we first started, it seemed like Gil Hans had built an awesome golf course and everybody I think was pretty psyched about it until all the players decided not to go because they basically didn't want to inconvenience themselves in the middle of a golf season. And I, I think we've kind of just been, you know,

digging ourselves out of that hole for a really long time. So I, while, I guess I'll put my hand up and say I was not bullish on it back then. And now I think I am really bullish on it going forward. I'm also not. I think they didn't want me. Exactly right. You could have said it better myself, you see. But I think that the, you know it is now is it's awesome, man. I mean, two great golf tournaments that we're thrilling to watch, two great winners, always fun to see.

Some of you are on the men's side, certainly, and on the women's side, one of the biggest things that we've seen is the fact that you've got a lot of great golfers, and you've got a lot of great golfers, and you've got a lot of great golfers, and thrilling to watch, two great winners. Uh, always fun to see kind of, you know, some of your, on the men's side, certainly. And on the women's side, one of the biggest names, uh, competing and at a place where there's more eyeballs on the sport. I mean, it's just, it's great. It kind of like, uh, feels like the Olympic golf felt like it was 10 out of 10 this year. Like, I don't know, really know how it could have been better other than, I don't know, maybe I got an idea or something. I got, I got an easy idea here of, of look, there's when you're playing on a Sunday for

three podium spots, 60 players don't need to be there. And I get the idea of stroke play tournament, like being the pinnacle of it. Do it like you do the, like the track and field events and whatever, like have heats, have separate heats, and make it relatively easy to make it out of. You know, whatever, so you end up with 30 or 25 players playing on that Sunday, maybe you have four heats of 15 and seven make it through out of each heat,

but that essentially is your cut, and then it becomes like a Sunday race, right? Like that, I think, would add a little intrigue to the process of the early days. Like the Sundays, the final rounds were great. I found it a slog to watch the earlier phase. If you're gonna play on a terrible golf course, like the Golf National.

Or even the Sunday as well, like not everybody needs to make the cut. Exactly, exactly. Like there's nothing, there's no purse, there's nothing to play for like, oh cool, I finished T38 in the Olympics instead of T47. Like cool. Yeah.

But that would add it, that would make it more unique than a regular stroke play tournament yet with all the still the same elements. I suppose, but like to, I get what you're saying, almost having a bunch of mini cuts that make it more interesting during the week, but also, I don't know, I feel the same way about the Wyndham championship, where I'm like, I wouldn't, I don't know why anybody would follow anything other than kind of 12 holes to go on Sunday. Their whole thing is, is, hey, how does, you know, like,

the reason it was stroke play to begin with was, hey, what are the biggest events in golf look like? Well, what they should have said is, well, the biggest events in golf is the Ryder Cup. This is what it looks like. And that's where it, it's hard, right? You have to do a lot of these, and we literally have given the example, right, of how it's built on top of each other

and it's gaining momentum. And you have to do a lot of them. Track is a big deal. Swimming is a big deal in the Olympics because it's been there forever. And like there's just equity built up amongst viewers and it's gonna take a long ass time for golf to get there. And I doubt it will ever actually get there, especially the other sports too. Nobody gives a shit about them for every four years comes around. Right. And, and it is like, but like the Olympic basketball, which I do want to talk about at some point was so? And it is like, but like the Olympic basketball, which I do want to talk about at some point,

was so interesting because it is like, it is different and it is about something different than the basketball that we see all the time. And that's okay, right? It's not, I don't know. It, I still feel like the event, there should be an event in the Olympics that identifies the best golfing nation

for men's and women, right? And like, I don't, the mixed thing that's been proposed, I don't think really accomplishes that. I think that's more interesting than just this stroke play thing. But if there was a separate team event also in this thing that identified who the best golfing country was, I think that'd be so sick.

I think that'd be incredible. Like there's nothing like that in golf. There's The President's Cup is the US versus the world except Europe. Cool, nice tour. And then the Ryder Cup is the US versus Europe. That'd be super interesting to say, who is the best golfing nation? The International Crown has that LPGA. The world amateur team champion. What's the point of the Olympics? You have the four majors every year. Like, where do the Olympics fit in? It's only once every four years.

But like, you know, it's kind of the goal. It's the thing for swimming or for track and field or for gymnastics or whatever. But yeah, like it's just like this kind of weird fun dessert kind of, or like, you know, mid meal, loose push for golf. And it doesn't need to be, it could be a lot more fun and a lot more interesting. So let me ask this Olympic gold or the players, which would you, which is bigger deal to win? It depends on your career, right? Yeah. What country you're from. I think maybe I'm going to give the players a slight edge right now,

but I'm going to sell the players long term. And I think an Olympic gold medal is going to only keep going up. And my next question is going to be, has that answer changed since Liv started and the players doesn't have all the best players in the world like it used to? Because I think it might for me. Yeah, I could see that. Like, yeah, I'm struggling with the players doesn't have all the best players in the world like it used to. Cause I think it might for me. Yeah, I could see that. Like, yeah, I'm struggling with the players though, of like, man, you get like a, what?

Like a five year exemption on tour and you can make like so much money. But a gold medal you can also make a lot of money off of. I mean, not direct cash, but like sponsorship deal. It just becomes a whole different marketing profile you get with the gold medal. I think, I mean, I direct cash, but like sponsorship deal. It just becomes a whole different marketing profile you get with the gold medal. I think, I mean, I just dove into sponsorship and that maybe it's a question for a future

one of those episodes of what's a gold medal worth? What's a major worth to some players and all that? But the team rose a membership offering went way up after the gold medal. Cause well, I think I'd rather have two of the, a gold medal on the women's side above two of the majors, the quote unquote majors. Yeah, I mean that goes without saying.

Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah. I think I'd rather have a gold medal than a players when I think about it. You might say the Olympics is the gold standard. They could be coming for that too. What if the PGA Tour in there, in all of their thirst to get golf into the Olympics,

and to... Just to image as the player. To image the profile of it. At what cost? TC, how about this one? Would you rather have a silver medal or win the Canadian Open? That's a great question, Solly.

Again, it depends on who we're talking about. In this case, we're talking about a very specific player. I'm going to say the silver medal because he's going to win plenty of PGA tour events. He's going to win a major. I believe in him. And you know what, TC, I wasn't on the show last week, but I said this in the, in the comment section. I said the last week was not the week to dog Tommy for finishing one shot back of Scotty who shot a final round 62. Like Olympics is different. Like you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final

round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final round, you get a final I said this in the comment section. I said that last week was not the week to dog Tommy for finishing one shot back of Scotty who shot a final round 62. Like Olympics is different. Like you get a fucking medal for second place, right? And it's not that big of a difference gold versus silver as much as it isn't a major being first for second. It's a different scale of judgment for that for last week. So I'll write, he got up and down for that on the last hole.

I'll write with you on Tommy. He's an Olympic medalist. We wish we had the chip back on one of those holes coming in. Got it. Got a bad break. We're not going to relitigate all that. I just want to give a quick shout out to him, but well, let me ask you this. What do you think of the hall of fame criteria being so explicitly spelled out? And we should also mention, I think Randy and Cody and possibly TC, I don't know if you're hopping on as well, have another kind of more LPGA women's golf focused episode for later this week because we've also had the women's AM this week too. But while we're talking about it, what do you think about the LPGA Hall of Fame, which is different than the World Golf Hall of

Fame? The LPGA Hall of Fame is the one that has this very stringent criteria. It's all based on points. You get a point for each win. You get a certain number of points for a major, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You guys like that? Not like that? What do you think about this? It's extremely objective. I think I dig it just because it's so different. You're abandoning the eye test. You want your data boy now. You want to use. We have the world golf hall of fame too, which again, you know, if you have two hall of fames, I don't need to tell you guys, but it's just, I don't know. It's very wild. There's nothing really like it on the, on the men's side. It always kind of makes me laugh every time I, I hear about it. I, I proposed to you guys in our Slack today, if we were going to make an NLU hall of fame, like if you had to come

up with like points for yourself, I kind of want to do this for the whole, for the whole squad. TC, I know you're trying to make five birdies in a row more often. Maybe if you do that, you know, you do that 20 times over the, over the rest of your career, you're going to be able to do this for the whole, for the whole squad TC. I know you're trying to make five birdies in a row more often. Maybe if you do that, you know, you do that 20 times over the, over the rest of your career, you could really like get a point for each one of those. Yeah. Hit 14 fairways in a round. I think like I want to come up with a system that's just like objectively shows, you know what this guy really, this guy maximizes talent. This guy got everything. He got everything out of it that he could have for you. It's just,

I think it's like 10 rounds in a calendar year with no doubles. Oh, for sure. Three pods, uh, and no loss balls. How many points are the Hercules sauce is worth? How many points are club championships worth? Uh, yeah. I think you gotta win three tourist sauce. If you like to, to even be considered. Uh, it's just a, you know, we might need to work on that. Maybe that's a separate episode. It's harsh on the LPGA side, especially for a lot of these players that, you know, their careers don't maybe last as long as a lot of the, on the men's side of their peaks don't last as long. It's, uh, it, it, I'll say

that, but it's also like Lydia's major record for her talent. It's still a bit light. I mean, two majors. She's so freaking talented. It just felt like she's going to win a lot more than that. And maybe she's not done winning them. I certainly hope not. But it's been a weird last couple of years for her. She had an incredible year two years ago. Then last year didn't even make the playoffs. And then we don't know how long she's gonna play for. Yeah, it's been a weird kind of up and down. But this is maybe the pressure that Hall of Fame was really weighing on her. It sounded like it was and I think she talked a little bit about releasing that burden

and how you know, maybe that's that's helped her to, you know, basically what her mom and her husband had said about it, like you're, you know, you should be happy about your career either way. Like that helped release the burden of it. And I'm obviously paraphrasing that, but I couldn't believe hearing, hearing her talk after the round, but I think she watched, she said she watched three documentaries the night before, uh, the night before the final round, she watched both parts of the Simone Biles one and she watched the Marty fish one. And I would just encourage people to go on and listen to her post-run interview because it was really good.

Talking like crazy inspired by Simone Biles specifically and a lot of the stuff in that documentary and kind of, you know, similar child prodigy type of people who kind of have lost it in a very public fashion and what you got to do to get back. And just really interesting to hear her talk at length about, about that. That's, that's why I love, you know, you're always going to win me over if you're, if you're watching docs, uh, the night before a big, a big, I don't know if it was night before, cause I heard that line about you get to write your own ending earlier in the week. Rewatched it. Rewatched it. Jesus. Okay. Got it. Well, yeah, she's definitely, she's 22nd in the world right now.

Um, the major, she has one, she won the ANA when it was out in the desert and she's won the Evian. She needs to win one of the three majors. Uh, but then again, like, I don't know, I just, I got a bunch of respect for Lydia because she won it, what? 17. She was 17 on the LPGA tour. She won in 2015 and she was born in 1997. Youngest player to win 10 events on a major tour at age

18, six months, two days. So that's freaking wild. But everybody says she's like the coolest, like just the best person to I mean, everybody that ever comes in contact with her is like, she's the real deal. Like she just I've never heard a bad word about her. Everybody's like, yeah, she's she deserves every bit of, of positivity and success that comes her way, because she treats people just wonderfully. Sorry. Every interaction I've had with her is that exact thing. It's remarkably nice person, thoughtful, remembers things. That's not that common in men's or women's professional golf. She won on the LPGA 15.

Yeah. So she won 10 times on the LPGA tour. She got the number one in the world. By the time she was 18. She won the Canadian Women's Open in 2012 at the age of 15. She won the following year. She went back to back at the Canadian Women's Open, which is a national open. I have to tell you. At 15, 16.

It's insane. That's what it was like. I was like, man, this is crazy. This women's am final was a 17 year old and a 15 year old. I was like, this is crazy. It's like, Oh yeah. Let it go. Like one 75 times when she was the age of Rihanna Malik see what the us women's end. And it gets talked about all the time, but her, her thing about how she might not play past 30 and going to hang it up early. I mean, the women's open is going to the old course this year and her winning that as,

you know, maybe that almost would feel like the Tiger, you know, kind of final masters. I feel like even though the career might go for another couple of years, like that's a pretty good, it's a pretty good capstone. I just keep picturing somebody's career ending, like picking the ball up like Kutcher did. That's what made me think of it. What do you think Kutcher did on every day. That's what made me think of it. What do you think Kutcher does tonight? Probably just gets an ice cream sundae. Honestly, I don't even know if he thinks it's weird.

I think he's probably like, yeah, he's probably like, oh, let's go have some ice cream. Maybe go watch, you know, CSI, the hotel. And the thing is, I was so getting ready to like, dap up Kutcher. I was like, dude, what a frigging summer of like, what a final run of golf you've had like hanging on with all these young bucks hitting at 162 miles an hour that he just pulled that anyways, close calls for Bianca Pagananen, Hannah Green, Amy Yang and Mio Yamashita were the T4 finishers.

Final round 74 for Rose Zhang to finish two shots off the podium. Yeah, that was a weird, weird final round for her. And we got to have a conversation about Rose's sunglasses. They're really bad. I think that's the conversation. Like they're bad. I think that's it. I know. I'm saying let's have it.

I think that's it. Yeah, sign your petition. Happy retirement to Mariego Uribe who eagled her final hole to finish T10 was overcome with emotion. That was a great way to go out. Final round 79 for Morgane Matrow from Switzerland who was crawling out there and holding up. She like the whole guy gets a final group was playing on the clock since like the fourth hole, something like that and somehow never got off of it. Despite being time on every shot. That was a tough, tough finish for her. T-22 finish for Nelly,

including a final round 75 been a quite a weird kind of summer basically since the US opened onward for her. It has not been the same kind of vibes. Yeah. Weird to see Leona McGuire. She finished DFL 78-79, 83-71. It was strange to see. I'll forgive that on such a bad golf course. I was disappointed in the Swedes. Lynn Grant, T27. Maya played well on Sunday and got it back to T10,

but bummed there. And I was excited to see Esther Hensel continue her great run of play. She's a lock to be on the European Solheim Cup team and she'll be really good on that team. Fun having Solheim Cup back to back years and it just flows right into it. All the memories. Oh, TC already agreed. I trapped him.

We got him. This one time, Sally, this one time. It's very fun. You know, Azahara Munoz, she shot 78, 69. No, we're not doing down the leaderboard. We're not doing this. It's a three. Celine, I did want to shout out Celine too.

Celine came out firing at 65 and then shot 76 in the second round. Kind of a weird week for her. And Attaya, something going on with Attaya in these final rounds. She was right there in the mix. She shot 76 on, it was a Saturday final round, but final round 76. Not good. Morgan Pressell had an unfortunate on air incident about talking about broken and then tried to claim it. It sounded like she said enough bomb. And it was, I listened to that

one about eight times. It was most certainly sound like an accidental F bomb. I think that was a, just apologize and move on from that one. As someone who says a lot of accidental F bombs, it's just, you know, it's part of playing the game, man. But she didn't, she didn't own up to it. She was like, I know that's what you thought you heard. And it's like, what? Like, just just own it. Like, that's absurd. The benefit of the doubt I'll give her is she's probably reaching back for like two

different words and combined it into one that was that it was not meant for that. I don't know what she would have possibly meant, but accidentally did let that. But even intent. Oh, I know. Hey, I didn't intend to say that, but I said it. She said, no, I didn't say that. It's like, yeah, we got only sounded like that. Like that's fucking outrageous. Apologize for your F-bomb there, TC.

We can't have that here. Anything else from Olympics? We can move to, again, like we said, the rest of the women's golf pod that's coming out this week will have some more Olympics talk as well. Yeah, I would just say to the Swiss Morgan Matrow. She didn't even finish low Swiss woman. Albain Palenzuela finished low Swiss woman.

And I wouldn't send her back to the Olympics if she's gonna play that slow. Like that was one of the most egregious displays of slow play I've seen in years. It was awful. They should be ashamed. I know the Swiss are proud people. Rianne Maliksi won three and two over asterisk tally and incredibly this was a this is at the US

women's am incredibly this was a rematch of the US junior final just a few weeks ago, which Rianne Malik see also won. I can't I also this was asterisk tally third USGA final of the year so far. What was the, what was the, uh, the one that she won the four ball? I think they won the four ball. Yeah. Yeah. But she was in the finals of that one too. So, uh, it was incredible. I had, I was second screening that one. Uh, that one all day at Southern Hills. They got lucky in Tulsa. It's going to be highs of 98 throughout the course of all this entire week. It was high of 83 today. I saw people out there like long sleeves. I'm like Tulsa, Oklahoma in August, man, that's

going to be a nightmare. The course did not play as well as it did in May. Summer in Oklahoma, not maybe not the best possible fit. I thought it still looked very proper. The setup was good. Greens were fiery. It was pretty windy out there one of the days and then it rained. And then it was kind of a weird finals set up too. They played the 18-hole semis Saturday morning and then they played the first 18 of the finals on Saturday afternoon and then they had thunder showers and storms roll through on Sunday morning and then they played Titov Sunday afternoon there. So I think, yeah, like I was stoked after the quarters, you had, you had Anna

Davis in it. You had, uh, Catherine Rowell, you had Sir Newsyk, you had Maria Jose Marin, uh, all them. And then Jose Marin ended up WDing from her match against Asterisk Talley with an injury and kind of bummed me out there. But I mean, you know, I just, I don't, I need to know why her name is Asterisk. I need like personal edification there. I believe her mom's Greek and I believe Asterisk, I don't know if it's in Greek or what, but it means little star, which I guess is the character that you also have seen, the little star in punctuation. But I think that's where it comes from. I think it's a much more normal name, maybe

with Greeks. But that was my limited research TC, because of course I wondered the same thing. I was just thinking like footnote, addendum, parenthetical asterisk, have you guys ever seen that video that goes around of like the girls that go through the best names that would be great if they didn't have meaning behind them? Like felony, like that'd be a good, that's what I think of every time I see your name. Uh, it's really funny video like areola media. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, that concludes

our us women's aim coverage. No, that was a, it was fun. It's all I was second screening as well as a fun, a fun one to watch. I love when you can kind of get in a, when you can get a groove watching a mono, a mono match play on TV. So I mean, shout out to golf channel for, for carrying that and having that on, especially on a great golf course. It's just a, it's a really cozy thing to, to watch. Those are underrated events to, to dive in on, especially when they're on world-class courses. Let's not give them too many props because like they're contractually obligated to carry. Sure. Of course. Of course.

But they listen, they still sign the contract. I do like them splitting the final mat. So it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, because like they're contractually obligated to carry. Sure. Of course. Of course. But they listen, they still sign the contract. I do like them splitting the final match. So it used to be the beginnings of these match, the final matches would not be on anything. Right. And so like splitting them so they're on an afternoon is a good thing. So well, guys, I don't want to get you too excited,

but you know where the US Women's Am is next year? I don't. Bandon Dunes. Band in dunes. Get out of here. Kidding me. Kind of a fun one to kind of a fun one to go watch. I always I love like when you go to one of those tournament like that and you know there's a whole other

golf world going on. But when you're on site at an event like that and it kind of feels like the only thing in the world that's that's happening. That's a very very fun experience doing that. Abandon it would be be a lot of fun. Yep. Moving on some other golf news

as we wrap up with a couple other things. European Ryder Cup team has announced they're changing their qualification process. Qualifying points are earned using a new tournament banding structure weighted towards performances in the majors and biggest PGA tour and DP world tour events. Live golf tournaments remain unable to award points. This new points list replaced the world's points list and European points list,

which were based on world ranking points and race to Dubai points respectively. Obvious change needed to be made. They almost got stuck with the wrong guys on the team last year because of the, uh, the European points list and they got rid of that altogether. Yeah, I think it's, I thought Brendan Porath and Joseph Lamont, you had a good write-up, good summary of it in the Friday newsletter this morning. Basically saying, hey, you may not like it if you're a European tour member, but it's realistic, It's rational, it's logical. And it's better than sending a needlessly shitty team

and getting blown out, right? And it's making it a better chance to perform a better team and a better chance to win, right? Like that's the way this event should be, right? It's not a, I don't love any of the qualification for it, you know? And that ship sailed as far as the, the, you know, guys, the camping for the PGA tour, that ship sailed like when Sergio or Rory or like Tommy, when those guys came over here and started playing like nearly full time and like, there's still some stuff built in there where, you know, opposite events to Rolex events will not earn any sort of points. I don't think. So if you,

if you're playing in a PGA Tour event, that's opposite a Rolex event, like a Rolex series event on the DP World Tour, you will not receive any points for that even if you win, which is, you know, so there's, there's some things built in there, but it basically treats signature events on the PGA tour about 50% more valuable than a DP World Tour regular event. That's the whole point for captain's picks. If you're one of those guys that's balling out in those events and you feel like the system's, you know, keeping you out the captain's picks are available to everybody. There's six captain's exactly. And the live guys are going to get picked like Romsey and get picked, had to get picked with those captain's picks. So yeah, seems like a good system if they pay their if they pay their fines.

Right. It's good for have Cougar pay their fines, right? That's a good point. Jeff Kutcher pay their fines. Speaking of Liv, Graham McDowell was suspended for one tournament for violating Liv's anti-doping policy. He says he took Vicks nasal decongestant at Liv Nashville. We might need to disqualify TC retroactively for some NLU events. If that's on the man's sub-discipline. I know. He said in his statement good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point.

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him. He was chasing distance for a few years there too. Right. Through with Nate's congestion. What, what a, what a lame, just like, I don't know, man, the drama just finds me. I don't know. I don't know how, you know, I don't know why you guys keep asking me about all this drama. It's just like, you know, you don't need to type that into your statement, man. You made a whole graphic about it. You know, it's just, I don't know. It's anti-faldo tweeted, unlike the unscrupulous and lazy PGA tour, which was never able to catch me.

Ben Coley was lighting up on Twitter too. Like it just, it's just all that line is, is a reminder that your words are purchased, right? Like that is not coming from you. That's coming from live and they sign your checks and they just have to throw that dig in no matter what. And it's just a reminder of all of that. Uh, so, um, it's so sick. Uh, although I will say setting that aside,

the PGA tour doesn't really test anymore. Correct, we've talked plenty about that. But I think it's, well yeah, like it's a joke of a process on the PGA Tour side. They don't, they still do P tests, right? Yeah. But they've diluted, yeah, it's like, I don't care if anybody's on-

But they don't test the driver equipment. PEDs. Yeah. Well yeah, but even like, I think it doesn't sound like they're testing even close to as much as far as the performance enhancing drug. Well, how did Ben On get caught then? I don't know. Good question. I don't know who put this in the agenda here, but Blandy had another top 14 finish. He did. He finished seventh in the International Series in England at Fox Hills. Peter Uline just ran away with it.

Blandy got his dick knocked in today a little bit. Sorry about that. Still got the top 14. Exactly. And he's easy. They're going into Liv Greenbrier next week at the Big Jim's place. Phil Mickelson had a couple statements this past week, potentially talking about hang it up. He said, I see glimpses and my teammates see glimpses of me being where I expect

to be able to compete at this level, but I'm also realistic with myself. If I'm not able to, I'll step aside and let somebody come in and take the high flyers to new levels. He said, according to a transcript of Wednesday's new conference. He said, according to a transcript of Wednesday's new conference, his conference. So good. Who's on the high flyers? Steely. Yep. Uh, little bit.

Tris, Tris, Tringale. Who's the guy who won the US am. Ogletree. No, the other one. Uh, Sirot. James Piot. James Piot. That's right. You still on the team? I think so. I always see photos of like those two rolling around with their aviators on. Rose and Roseng. That's right. Yeah. And then, uh,

Jim Tringala is on the team. Yeah. So it's, Boutros, Boutros, Boutros, Tringala. Steel, Tringala. Yeah. So they just need to get, Do we get all four of those? That's kind of, that's in a, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Steel, Tringali. Yeah. So they just need to get. So we get all four of those. That's kind of that's in in in in in Ogletree, not Piot. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. So you have Piot on this Piot on a team. I think he's one of the reserves. Listen, who could say? Maybe we can maybe we will break that down in our live season recap.

Okay. I don't think he's on a team anymore. I don't think he plays anymore. Anyways, time for another moment of joy brought to you by foot joy. You'll see plenty of foot joys on TV this weekend. More than half the players in the field wearing foot joy shoes and gloves. My math is right. I think 100% of the participants on this show wear foot joy shoes and gloves. My math is right. I think 100% of the participants on this show wear foot joy shoes and gloves. TC's entire finish of the Wyndham was his

moment of joy. Pie Man, what is it? So I got one more moment of joy real quick. Of course you do. Our friend Emily Brooks won the Rhode Island women's amateur this week. And I had a chance to play with Emily a couple of times now, but at the Highland links out in Truro out in Cape Cod, Massachusetts last year. And she beat the hell out of Neil and I. And it was really impressive to watch. So got the dub this weekend, stayed open, stayed amateur, you know, BDE. Love it.

Pai, man, what's your moment of joy this week? Why don't you go first? Cause I think mine probably leads to a little larger conversation. All right, my moment of joy was truly watching the US men's basketball, both the semifinal game and the final had me hooting and hollering around the house in a way that I have not done

in a sporting event in so long. I don't really watch the NBA anymore. I retroactively understand why after watching FIBA, like just watching like hand checks not get called and a way better flow to a basketball game. Like this more style of basketball that I remember playing growing up in terms of team, you know, instead of one-on-one

and the team elements of it, the way the runs work in FIBA, uh, it was just awesome. And to get to root for Steph Curry for once, like I'm not a warriors fan, so I don't get to feel that suspense of that ball being in the air. I don't really have a team. I don't really have a team. Yeah, I might as well be, but I, I, I've always been really intrigued by the U S men's national basketball team. And I haven't really been into the last couple iterations for whatever reason, but I don't know if LeBron going back or this kind of final, final run for grandpa James, it was dude, it was just fricking awesome. And the Curry's run at the very end, it maybe tied

a little bit. We had them on the pod last fall. And we actually talked a little bit about FIBA basketball and how maybe it kind of relates to Ryder Cup about having to wear different hats and play different roles and all that. It was just, I don't know, I was one of the few Olympic events that I set aside time to make sure I was watching and it was really rewarding. It really was because like it's the one like national team that we're actually good at. And, you know, it's not that fun to, you know, rally around the soccer teams because they always end up giving it away or gagging or not being unless they hire the Kingslayer. Of course. Uh, but that was, that was a true like moment of sports joy this past week was, was watching, uh, what Steph did in those final two games. Cause I've

never seen anything like it in a weird way, watching that. Uh, what was going through my head, cause I almost never watched basketball, is just like, man, that guy is the guy that's doing more for growing the game of golf than anybody in the world. That's crazy that he's doing both of those things. He's just making all of these threes and he's doing all this incredibly pragmatic, practical golf stuff. We're lucky to have that guy. And Shout to Stephie is the third No Lang Up podcast guest to get a gold medal in this past Olympics.

Following Lydia Ko and Scottie Scheffler. But all two-time guests. So I'm just not as impressed with like them winning the gold medal like in kind of non-dominant fashion like that too. I will resist that. I will resist that. I will resist that because it's a different, it's a totally different process

for all the other international teams. And I just, they have to play a totally different style. And it's just, it's actually really impressive. I don't care if they don't dominate because it really, the different rules I think do level the playing field so much. I do like the different rules. It's good. I think. And then, you know, who knows? LeBron may play in the 2028 Olympics in LA if they let his son on the team, something like that, you know? Hey, I thought we're going to get an HGH joke in there. Dej, what's your moment of joy?

I mean, honestly, some of it was all the tweets going around. What's the funniest LeBron moment? I don't know if you guys saw much of those, but there's just so many good moments, but we can save that one for another day. I will keep it. I will bend it back to golf. I had a chance to go up to sand Valley this week and specifically got to play said Valley, which is the new Tom Doak par 68 golf course there. And for those that are watching on the podcast channel, you can see this photo, but for those that are not, this is the 15th hole. It's about a 200 yard par three.

You can see that the entire green banks to that back, right? You can see a tiny little fleck of yellow. That is the flag stick. A lot of people, when I posted this photo, are like, why are you just standing in the shit? Did you hit your ball left? What's going on? Like that's taken from the tee box. Like that's what the, that is what the approach shot

looks like. It was, I have never seen anything like it. It made me absolutely giddy. I was just, I was hooting and hollering to Sallie DeVarra a phrase and just like, that's, that's what I love about golf, man. It was awesome. You guys gotta get to Sej. It is really, really, really, really, really cool. And solid, particularly, I think like when you read some of Dokes stuff about it, he was talking about how inspired he was by a lot of the inland, uh, English Heathland courses and not needing to

stretch something out to 7,300 yards and looking at something and saying, you know, Hey, if we're not worried about making this a quote unquote full size golf course, then let's just pick whatever the best green sites are. And it doesn't really matter how far apart they are. They're going to be good holes. And that's exactly what sedge is. It's a lot of really cool short par fours, but with real danger up by the greens. So it's constantly, you know, it's a, it's a, we say this all the time, but it truly is a golf course where if you're a high handicap and you want to just bunt it around and, and play super safe,

even if you're low handicap and you just want to play it really safe to, you know, the middles of the fairways and the middles of the greens, you could have such a boring stress free day and probably not make a bogey out there. And as soon as you're like, man, I drove all this way to come to Sand Valley and I've got it, you know, I'm only here once. You start pulling driver and you start hanging yourself and it's just, it's so fun. It's such a fun exercise and I cannot speak highly enough about it. It was, it was great.

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I'm sure it's the most fun thing in the world to try to try to conquer it. I always end up just like playing really bad and I'm not hitting good enough shots to actually, you know, like kind of have a do or die moment with these different shot values and stuff. I'm kind of just hanging on for dear life the whole time. And it doesn't usually end up being all that fun. Sedge in a smaller package kind of allowed me to probably feel what really good players feel on a lot of Dokes golf courses.

That's an awesome endorsement. And it's so fun, man. We were leaving, leaving the we got to play the Lido as well, which is a whole other conversation, which is also awesome. But we're leaving the Lido and ran into a couple of guys who had just played sedge and I was asking them what they thought about it. And they're like, honestly, man, like we're trying to change our tee times around so that we can go play it again. Like we loved it so much.

And it's just kind of, I don't know, maybe other people will feel differently, but like I just, I would struggle to, to picture who doesn't, who doesn't play it again. Like we loved it so much. And it's just kind of, I don't know, maybe other people will feel differently, but like I just, I would struggle to picture who doesn't walk off just like loving that golf course. It's so fun. So you guys make fun of me when I say about Pacific, like about how hard it is for the higher handicap players that they don't get to, like they get punished

like way more than like the lower handicap players do but like I don't I agree. I agree with you. I'm just making fun of you for saying it. But how pro band and doing that's where like the mammoth dunes part of Sam Valley always just like nothing like made my brain melt in terms like whoa, we have like the easy to hard golf course scale off like completely. Like if it's 20% of the courses are too hard and 20% are too easy for quote, it should be

completely opposite for how much like for people's actual skill level in the game. And the best players still could have so much fun in exactly what you're talking about there. And they want like as a, as a better player, I want the whole group to have a great ass time and to enjoy the thrill of all the shots and not feel like they got their dick punched in. And that doesn't mean it's not challenging. It just like doesn't need to be unnecessarily hard. And Mammoth is kind of on a different scale where it's so wide and it's so wide open that

you can kind of, you know, from my recollection, which the only time I ever played it was during our dream golf loop when I had to quote unquote walk it in like an hour. You look like cooch. Yeah. Yeah. Tasted cooch. You want to see what it looks like to get it in under dark. There you go.

So I don't, you know, my, my recollection is probably not as good as, as it could be, but that was a little more kind of hit it anywhere off the tee and use the slopes and have a fun time making some birdies. I feel like Sej was a lot more engaging and a lot more like, Hey man, this is not a long par four. You can definitely, definitely drive this hole, but you're probably going to make six if you, if you missed, you got to hit it. It's, you got to hit such a good spot to do it. And it just felt like such a proportions of the game felt so much smaller, but not because it was OB and houses and ponds and creeks and all that stuff. It's just kind of a, no, this bunker is you're dead if you're in here. Oh, here's the Heather. You're going to be really having a bad time here. And it's just really

interesting too. Like that part three that I mentioned mentioned 15 is a really cool green. The 18th hole is kind of a, I would say I've sent you the fly over the kind of aerial shot of it. It's like a drivable punch bowl. Basically there's two shelves where you have this, this right shelf that you can go up and kind of hit over the ledge and have a straight shot into the green or you can go at the flag. And if you end up short, it almost kind of feels like number 14 at banded trails, but in reverse. Uh, and if you miss, you're going to be way down that left side, hitting directly up at the green. And it's just such a, uh, do or die match play type of golf course.

Push would love it. You know, you don't have to, you don't have to keep score. You can be playing match play out there. It's just, uh, sounds like Randy would hate it. I think Randy would love it. You don't have to keep score. You can be playing match play out there. It's just... It sounds like Randy would hate it. I think Randy would love it. I think Randy would... They still allow you to play stroke play. So that's why Randy would love it. Two questions, Dej. One, what do they do as far as pace of play out there? If it's a bunch

of drivable stuff and is it just less groups on the course? That's a good question. We didn't have any issues. We were, we were cruising kind of, you know, and we teed off at 1245. So I mean, it was midday and I think, you know, we could kind of sort of see the group in front of us, but never really caught them. Could kind of sort of see the group behind us, never really caught them. So I think they just spaced it out good enough to make sure everybody, everybody has a great time. And then how was Alito second time around? Much better.

TC and I played it in May and Sean, I don't know if you felt this way or not, but it's just very overwhelming. Of course, for those that don't know, the Alito, the recreation of the CB McDonald course that no longer exists out in New York that was taken over by the Navy in the 40s after a couple of world wars, put them into disrepair. Supposedly the quote unquote greatest golf course ever built and just kind of laid in disrepair for 80 some years until they tried to recreate it basically like inch for inch. Brian Schneider and Tom Doak and Peter Flory historian found a bunch as many aerials and journal entries and everything as they could possibly find and tried to recreate it about a thousand miles to the west in Wisconsin.

Big super flat piece of land. It's on the other side of the road. So, Sand Valley, Mammoth, Sedge, even the Sandbox all feel pretty dramatic. I feel like there's a lot of ups and downs and a lot of elevation change. Lido is perfectly flat and I think a lot of that's even probably by design. They probably even had to flatten it out and then try to move all this sand where it was supposed to be. But yeah, where I'm going with all of that is it's really flat, but it's kind of like the old course in that there's enough rumpels that you can't really see where a lot of the

bunkers and a lot of the trouble is hiding, which is really disconcerting the first time around, because you're looking at your artage book and all you see is bunkers and you're looking at the stairway and all. It's like 25, 30, 35 bunkers out there at varying angles, distances. What the fuck am I looking at here? And it's also like the firmest golf course you'll ever play in a really windy site. And there's just a lot going on. Yeah. Which all of that adds up to it. An experience that, I mean, we're in the middle of central Wisconsin. I don't think anybody's really expecting to play real links golf, but man, that's kind of how it plays. You're really trying to control your runouts. You're really trying to bounce stuff up. It's awesome, man.

And the second time around when you're just not quite as tiptoey as we probably were the first time around TC. It was just, you can kind of pick your lines and really be committed and trust the caddies and swing away. It made for just such a fun experience. And there's just so many cool holes. Channel Hole is so cool as par five. Solid, that was the one I sent you that you can kind of have this little basically like guitar pick sized fairway over on the right to try to have like a seven iron into the par five, or you can play out to the left and have a part three.

All the templates you've know and heard of done expertly. It's just, it's awesome, man. And I think all of this kind of in summary adds up to like sand valley has, I know nobody's sleeping on sand valley, but man, they've got some serious critical mass there now because that was, I think probably a pretty fair knock for a while is that it's so far out there. It's so hard to get to that. Why would I go do that and play two golf courses when I could go to band and

and play five. Uh, and now you're looking at it. You're like, man, you have sand valley, you have mamm like, man, you have Sand Valley, you have Mammoth Dunes, you have the Sandbox, you have Sedge, you have the Lido. And they're also like, I don't even think they've announced this yet, but they're very openly under construction on another project, which is the 13 hole, I believe it's called the Commons. Jim Craig is doing that short course, kind of like a family style type of golf course, probably a bunch of short holes and cool greens. And that's kind of right in the middle of the property too. So anyways, not to be a big ad for Sand Valley. It's just, I, yeah, I'm very thankful that

we have that within driving distance of my house. I mean, we drove up the night before, stayed close, played 36 and drove home. And to be able to do that in Wisconsin is unbelievable because usually you're getting on planes and you're traveling around and you've got a travel day on either side. And it's just very, very thankful for all the development they put into it because it's a special, special place. And saw your boy the commish having some cheese curds, Roger Goodell. I thought you meant the commish. No, not the actual commish., Roger Goodell. I thought you meant the... No, not the actual Kavish.

The just Roger Goodell. Raj, Big Raj. Big Raj. That's fantastic. That's a great endorsement. Yeah. You guys, you guys got to get up there next year. I mean, you have so much more good golf and driving distance to you than we do here in

Florida. It's pretty, it's kind of a mindfuck. Yeah. You just can't play that. Well, speaking of TC, you got to tell me you had something in Slack. You were describing, we have a personal kind of golf golf game Slack. You said in quote, just correct me if I'm wrong. You played around the other day where you were two under on the five par threes and six under on the four par fives. Six over. Six over. Oh, I'm sorry. That's

what I meant to say. That's what I meant to say. Yeah. Played truly horrible on the par fives. No, I mean, one of them, I was trying to force the issue and I've been hitting the driver off the deck a lot with the new GT. But yeah, I got this, the 46, I put a pitching wedge in, the 46 degree Vokey in place of my pitching wedge and I've just been thumping it. But yeah, I'm just, I don't know, chipping stuffs back. I was messing with my grinds a little bit. I put, I messed around with an M grind.

I think I had like a couple of double chips. It wasn't good. Your flasks are manifesting themselves. I know I've been doing all the TPI stuff. I'm so sore. It's crazy how sore I am. So I'm trying to kind of work through some things there. I'm supposed to have this US mid-am qualifier a week from tomorrow Utah. I'm playing like dog shit. I'm just like having an existential crisis of like, man, if I can, why can I, should I fly all the way out to Salt Lake city, play a practice round? It's good.

She's playing with iration, uh, you know, and then I got to, you better go play, go do it. And then, well, you already, you already, it's just an extra like three days on the road, you know, you already accomplished your goal. Your goal is just to sign up, right? Just sign up. I know. Set your goals low, folks. Are you still beating up the olds out there? Some of the old speed me the other day. Oh, good. So, you know, granted, that was, that

was, you know, certain guys were getting, they were getting multiple, you know, two and three pops on certain holes as well. So, which is tough to come back from as well. So yeah, but I'm, I'm a work in progress right now. I feel like I'm, you know, I'm, I'm doing some foundational work. So anything cooking in your, you got anything in the lab? I'd been working through some, a very tough six week childcare stretch. So there's not that I've been a whole heck of a lot of golf over here, but I have taken, one 80 challenge, all right, which is I'm trying to get down to 180 pounds and I'm trying to get my ball speed up to 180 miles an hour. Uh, that's before the twins come,

which I lost six pounds very easily and I've plateaued and get there, take one photo and then the woods. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. Get there, take one photo and then the twins come. That's it. I'm going to fall back off a cliff and I'm going to have triple dad back. So I just want to know that I can do this. But you have to do it at the same time. I got it. No, I just got to be able to get to. Oh, that's a good point. I have to be at.

I mean, you could gain so much speed and put on so much muscle in the pursuit of speed that it's impossible for you to get under one. I think I'll be okay on that front. But that's a good point. I got to figure that out. Take a scale out to the rage. I would prefer that. I feel more comfortable.

I think if you have your scale, you're going to be one of those big scales. Yeah, I started. All right. I hit 180. big skills. Yeah, I started. All right. I hit 180. Thank God. I hope I'm not too sweaty. I didn't make way. And you gotta call the PGA tour folks and make them give you a drug test as well. I started at 196. I got to one night. I got to 189 actually pretty easy, but I plateaued a little bit there. I was at 167 ball speed when I started working on this and I

touched 173 when I hit ball. I made a horrible mistake. Do you see I went and hit balls for 30 minutes on Saturday. Never in the middle of the day. I'm just not going to do that again in the summer. I almost. See how you're going to cut weight then. I thought I was going to pass out honestly.

I ate a bunch of Indian food before I did. It was a bad, bad situation. So that's what, that's what we got going on. Um, so, uh, I was going to congratulate you, Deidre on, on the brewers, taking two of three from the Reds. Uh, I'll want to, uh, I, I, we can save this topic for a future one. We're getting a little long on time, but appreciate everyone's feedback on the golf sponsorship probably released earlier this week. Um, which has kind of inspired me to start

getting thinking of part two to that and follow up. And if you have any, any questions or anything that you are rabbit holes, you want to hear me go down on that topic, I'd be happy to happy to crowdsource those. So yeah, what about Johnny or Denny cash? I gotta, I gotta see if he's available again. Yeah, I don't know if he's a listener, but thank you to him for, uh, for all his time with that.

Closed in a couple of deals this week too, did it? So, uh, this next week, Denny cash closed the truest championship. That's right. Uh, you know, close to $200 million deal that the PGA tour, I think it, it, so I do think it definitely signals that the tour is comfortable with chasing some sponsors away or trying to command a high dollar saying, Hey, we're going to limit supply here. And there's a limited number of seats at the table for these signature events. If you want a signature event, you're going to pay dearly. If you want to guarantee a signature event for seven years, you're going to pay even more dearly because they're charging, I mean, I think

it's 22 to $25 million a year for this with escalators and all of that. And, you know, and then it's cool too. They're bringing it to Philly Cricket Club next year, which is great news. Walcoil Hollow is at... It's PGA. So, but I do think it's like, you know, the tour definitely leaked out there that, Hey, this is up to a $200 million deal that, you know, kind of some internal PR for Denny Cash and, you know, the big J Monahan, you know, Steamboat J, there at the tour. I'm gonna go to the from being managed by another agency to being managed by championship management. So, Tor will take on ownership and all the operations for this tournament, sell it, have all the efficiencies there.

I think this is what they're going to try to do more and more so and cap charitable contributions to the local charities as well. So, P.E. baby. Feel good story. Yeah. Careful what you wish for if Couture's in the field on all this championship management stuff. I'm going to move us towards wrapping. US AM is this week at Hazel teen. We have a podcast recorded with Max Homa, which will be out some part of the early part of this week. Some fantastic stories within the podcast.

We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We're going to be talking about the podcast. We have a podcast recorded with Max Homa, which will be out some part of the early part of this week, some fantastic stories within that one over the past year in

Max's career and life. We also wrapped up our film room series from Bannon Dunes, the most recent video at Bannon also features Max Homa doing the commentary on that one. People seem to really like Max getting involved in that one. But he's so observant. Yeah. He knows more about your golf game than I do. I couldn't believe it. I was like, I never even thought about it. I do that.

I don't get it. I get on my tiptoes. I never even thought about that one single time. Yeah. Hopefully, people like that format because we had a technology breakthrough where it's a lot easier to make those with kind of a third party watching the stream and reacting. We just recorded one with Lauren Coughlin, LPGA winner Lauren We're going to be back with a happy hour for the remaining PGA tour events these next three

weeks, Memphis, Texas, and Texas. We're going to be back with a happy hour for the next three weeks, Memphis, Texas, and Texas. We're going to be back with a happy hour for the next three weeks, Memphis, Texas, and Texas. We're going to be back with a happy hour for the remaining PGA tour events. These next three weeks, Memphis BMW and tour championship will have people out on site at the BMW as well.

That is AIG women's open week as well. Randy and Cody are going to be across the pond for that one. Lot of good stuff coming in this coming week. Had a nice little, not really a respite in an Olympic year, but a nice little somewhat of a respite after the major championship this past year. So thank you everyone for tuning in. We will see you back here several times of the course,

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