No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 884 - Lauren Coughlin wins AGAIN, Hideki at St. Jude, Brooks at the Greenbrier

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

A wild Sunday with the PGA Tour, LIV, and the US Am all finishing at the same time, and Lauren Coughlin winning AGAIN on the LPGA Tour. We get a call in from Lauren celebrating at the Dunvegan, and re...act to Hideki making the FedEx St. Jude more interesting than it needed to be, Rahm and Koepka dueling at the Greenbrier, the top 50 cutoff on the PGA Tour, and everything else from the week in golf. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Music Better than most! Expect anything different? One two Three golf events all ending at the same time ladies and gentlemen Welcome back to the no laying up live show presented as always by our friends at high noon solid here Piman is here. Hello. DJ pie greetings guys. Happy to be with you. Happy sunday. Mr. NG shoe here. Pie man is here. Hello, DJ pie. Greetings guys. Happy to be with you. Happy Sunday. Mr. NG shoe Neil Schuster is here.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Hello Neil. Good evening. Fired up to be here. A lot to discuss. Many things to discuss. Cody running the ones and twos, but currently boarding a flight. So we're kind of on our own here tonight.
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Starting point is 00:01:33 Hideki Matsuyama wins the FedEx St. Jude championship. Brooks Kepka out duels John Rom at Liv Greenbrier. David Riveto wins the D and D check masters. We learned that on Wednesday that that is not a porn website. Lauren Coughlin wins again on the LPGA Tour with the Scottish Open. We may or may not hear from her a little
Starting point is 00:01:56 later on. Jose Luis Baester, am I saying that right, Pie Man? I think that's right. Yeah, I think that's close within the ballpark certainly. There was was he won the United States amateur championship I we I had no choice but to watch it without sound today I could not there were not enough TV. I had a 3 TV setup going today Watching the PGA tour watching live watching the USM couldn't get too much too much going on DJ I'm gonna let you take the line from our slack to here because I don't want to spoil it
Starting point is 00:02:21 But it's one of the best things I've heard Well, we're talking about live and like live was very compelling. Liv was making a lot of good points and it was kind of RFK junioring the golf. I'm like man this is never going to get enough votes to win but like all it's doing is just kind of it's kind of nuking the system as we know it here. So a lot of people see that as a positive, a lot of people see that as a negative. I was kind of just scrambling trying to keep up. So I mean, you said this earlier. I feel like I watched golf for five, six hours today.
Starting point is 00:02:49 I feel like I have no idea what happened on any tournament because I'm just scrambling around trying to watch everything. And it was it was tough, but, you know, a lot to talk about. Maybe just trying to keep on a lot of slack, you know, exactly. Look down for a second like, oh, crap, it's on playing through. I should go over to live. You know, I just I for a second. You're like, oh crap. It's on playing through. I should go over to live You know, I just I gotta say off the top it is a real miss that Blandy didn't win at Old White You know that would be the old white at the Greenbrier I felt like that was that was kind of the movie script this week
Starting point is 00:03:17 But you know, congrats to Brooks first of five live wins I would first of five Oh oh first two five, wait until you add a toddler into the mix trying to keep track of three golf tournaments and agenda and slack all at the same time. But literally I looked up at one point Hovland's shot into 18 and Rom's shot into 18 at Liv Greenbrier were on the way, like they peaked at the same exact time. I was like there just there has to be a better way. I know we're split tours and we're going to be for a really long time. We've got to figure out a way to stagger these endings because they were both entertaining.
Starting point is 00:03:49 I mean, the live was a solid golf tournament this week from the parts that I gathered, but and USA too USA was going on at the exact same time too. That went to the 36th hole of their final. So yeah, it's. I don't know, you know, an embarrassment of riches, I guess would be the optimistic way to look at it.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And just like completely shotgun blasted scattershot, hard to actually pay attention to anything would be the pessimistic view. I can't imagine FedEx, the flagship sponsor of the PJ Tour was psyched about having a John Rahm Brooks Koepka playoff on a competing tour during the first event of their namesake playoffs. But hey, sometimes life be like that.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I guess. Denny Cash needs to get on this and figure out a way to stagger these things. You gotta sell that man. Denny Cash might be doing too good of a job if people are paying money for all of this shit. Can I say real quick upfront, because this, I don't know, when I'm gonna have a time to use my platform
Starting point is 00:04:41 to really make this point, this is something that's been sticking in my craw for a while and today's a great example of it. All these networks pay millions and millions and millions of dollars to get these tournaments on the air, right? Herculane effort to televise a golf tournament, not lost on me at all, I promise.
Starting point is 00:04:58 There's three of those going on at the same exact time today. I truly hand up, both hands up, would love to watch all three. I'm interested in all three. I wanna know what happens. Golf at large, LPGA, throw this in there as well, because normally they would be going on at the same time as well.
Starting point is 00:05:15 They just happened to be in Scotland and finish early. But all of golf is so fucking bad at creating condensed recaps for fans to find out what happened after the fact. And they're spending millions and millions and millions of dollars. Spend another whatever to hire one person to cut down some really good condensed edits of these things. I would watch every single one of those. I don't know what happened Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I had a lot of other shit going on. Wasn't really able
Starting point is 00:05:40 to watch a lot of the swamp ass tournament in Memphis. Would love to sit down. Solly, I know you're a big MLB TV guy. When you miss a reds game, you fired up and you can watch an eight minute cut down. I know exactly what happened. Four minutes. They have no offense. It takes. That's a good point. I just feel like golf, you know, they occasionally they throw in highlights and stuff, but it's all this disconnected, like kind of all over the place, truly just like chopping everything up. Have one guy. I know the tour used to do this with John Swanteck all the time, like voicing over actual highlights and giving context to like, oh, he missed this one on six and remember that because now we're going to 12 blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Like something that that gives you a little more context rather than I was trying to catch up on the LPGA today, you know, which, which happened this morning. And it's just, it's a lot of like disconnected putts and you don't really know what anything means. It's just really hard to catch up. And if this is what we're doing in the world of golf and this is where we're going for the next three years and like someone's gotta do a better job of this.
Starting point is 00:06:35 The DP World Tour has done this for years. That's like the one shining example that nobody copied for whatever reason, right? And I mean, probably something to do with rights and all that stuff, contracts. I mean, Denny Cash would tell us. It's a good point, Dej, because I picked up the LPGA on like the 13th hole,
Starting point is 00:06:50 and it's to get caught up, you're like, let me just go to the LPGA Twitter handle. And then it's just like, oh, clip of Bertie Putt from Charlie Hole. Yeah, from number six. Yeah. Don't know how cool that shit. Barry's one on seven.
Starting point is 00:07:05 You know, it's like, oh, that's not really what I need. I kind of just need some context here. And I feel like you could, again, maybe I'm making this more complicated than it needs to be, but even on live, right? Brooks wins today. You're paying him all this money for a contract. You're paying the CW to broadcast this tournament. Sit Brooks down for five minutes.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Have him go through every shot of his round Why it was important. What club did you hit? What were you thinking make that into a tight little edit? I would watch the shit out of that truly Hamster damn got off on a quick note here to start the show. Why don't you setting the context for the discussion? We're about to have well listen in case you missed the end of the st Jude championship Hideki Matsuyama raced out to a five shot 54 hole lead 17 under par was cruising along just fine and made a couple birdies I put out a little collar they said under four and a half birdies for Hideki today was minus 190
Starting point is 00:07:55 But yeah, that was it. That was a free one for you guys Cruising on makes bogey on 12 then dumps one in the water on the par 3 14th hole makes bogey I'm just gonna pause to say at no point where any of Hideki shots today were they in line with like his standing in the tournament? He just seemed like he Leroy Jenkins about six different shots starting with number three like Senna Fairway would up over the green when he had a massive lead on the par five didn't end up Making making birdie out of that one, but dumping one in the water only thing he couldn't do on 14 Then on 15 drives in the right rough, air mails the green, takes two chips, two putts.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Now Victor Hovland's leading the tournament. Hideki makes double on that one. Hovland made birdies on 15 and 16, but he ends up throwing it right back with a bogey on 17. Xander shoots 63 up ahead. He's finishing up ahead, almost holds it from long of the green on 18 for 62 He gets in the house at minus 15 There's three tied at minus 15 with a few holes to go Dunlap almost almost makes eagle on 16 now
Starting point is 00:08:52 He's only one back, but Hideki made a great birdie out of the left rough on 17 to take back the lead Hovland has a good look on 18 But did not hit it he knew as soon as he hit it that it was gonna fall low a. A par on 18 will win it for Hideki. It's a great three wood off the tee to the left side of the fairway. Uh, and then flags it for some reason again, only needs par, uh, takes, takes on the water, hits it between the flag and the water and rolls in the birdie, uh, to win it in very weird fashion. It was more entertaining than it was, uh, you know, wise solid strategy, but Hideki, it was, you know, wise, solid strategy.
Starting point is 00:09:25 But Hideki, we've said this for a long, long time when Hideki putts well, he's going to very much be in contention or might win, led the field in strokes game putting this week, third in approach. That's going to be good enough to win a lot of golf tournaments. His first playoff win for Hideki. Yeah. Great recap. Would love, love the video to go along with that. So maybe you could narrate these. That'd be great. So something stuck with me from our Slack discussion today because I had a similar note. You were like, Hideki's such a weird golfer.
Starting point is 00:09:53 So weird. And I had it written down like Hideki confuses me. And it's all these little stuff. It's like every round, he gives you at least one or two shots where he's totally disgusted and it ends up in the fairway or it ends up 20 feet. Right. So it's like, he holds himself to this crazy high standard. And you're like, man, this guy's so diligent and disciplined and expects so much of himself and nobody's got a better looking swing. And if his putter just gets hot,
Starting point is 00:10:22 like look out. And that's kind of what we had this week. But then he just has these like brain farts where you're like, what was that man? You know, like the, the, um, I think the 15th where he flubs the chip and then he walks up and he hits it real quick. And like, I thought bones and faxing did a pretty good job of like, whoa, you know, if he had his regular caddy there, maybe, you know, maybe that's impacting a little bit this week, but I feel the same way, even when he won the masters, coming down the stretch, he gets a little loose,
Starting point is 00:10:49 which is almost out of character because I always feel like he holds himself to such a high standard and he's such a good ball striker. So when you said, oh, he's such a weird golfer, that really stuck out to me. But I'm curious if you feel the same way or if you're going with weird on a different a different scale of weird. It just like is he's so talented. Yet I don't he doesn't spring to mind. I never talk about a deck he's gonna win this week. Shout out to the will have that you win questions in the
Starting point is 00:11:19 pressers and the and the Twitter account but it his his short game is not good. And his putting is very ugly, despite the fact, he's never tweaked any of his putting, despite being a very below average putter for his entire career. Has hot weeks and comes out of nowhere and wins these things. His chipping is not very good.
Starting point is 00:11:37 We saw that many times today. He's just not tidy, yet his iron play is so good and so aggressive. It's just a weird style of play, right? That's why I struggled to define it other than obvious massive talent. His flaws have never really actually improved, never improved on them in a decade,
Starting point is 00:11:56 yet he gets these hot weeks and goes out and wins. It's just a weird golfer that I struggle to analyze. And just today, sorry, Deeds, one other thing, he's just reeling down the stretch and then steps up and hits just like the ballsiest three wood of the day. Like five yards right of the water, you know, like it's like, yo man, you got a one shot lead, maybe, you know, you probably want to be up the right side. And then he just flags it.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And even as caddy that they're showing the replays, Kay's like saying in English, like, go, go, go, go. What are you doing? It's unbelievable. I think he, he's one of those guys that just has a really high floor, I feel like. So one of the comments that got posted up there earlier was like, is he underappreciated, overappreciated,
Starting point is 00:12:36 or properly appreciated as a golfer? And probably a little bit underappreciated for his consistency, I think. He's a guy that doesn't, I know cuts are kind of going away, but even over the last couple of years, he doesn't miss a lot of cuts. He just kind of finishes in that fatty middle
Starting point is 00:12:52 where he kind of becomes a little bit of an anonymous guy if he's not putting well, but I mean, he always drives it good. He always hits his irons good. And like you said, it's always like three times a year he finds the putter and it's like, oh yeah, Hideki might win, of course. But he doesn't ever really implode or blow up,
Starting point is 00:13:08 he doesn't have like really bad weeks and he definitely doesn't have really bad stretches. So I don't know, I think probably underappreciated, I guess, is where I would come back to on that question. I do have to hand up, he's 0.75 positive strokes gained around the green so far this year. Had not seen that. That hasn't passed the eye test.
Starting point is 00:13:28 So I'm throwing the eye test in on that one. And important to note, just talking his putting, so he put a new putter in the bag and then there was a lot of chatter before his round the day. He was messing around with a different putter on the putting green. People were reporting that he's leading this week in strokes game putting, and he's putting a new putter and he did not put that putter in. He ended up putting with the new putter this week,
Starting point is 00:13:51 the same one he played with the previous three rounds. So we were having some confusion about that, but he ended up, he was just messing around. I don't know, maybe that's the way to go, just the honeymoon phase with the putter. I'm a big believer in that. He called Faxon in Saturday night after leading the field in stroke skating putting
Starting point is 00:14:07 to have a look at his stroke. And like his interpreter Faxon told me. Maybe you wanna check this out, man. Can you believe this? Look at this, we got it. His interpreter was like, no, like Brad, like he wants you to tell him something positive about his putting stroke.
Starting point is 00:14:19 And Faxon's like, I'm not messing with this right now, man. Like, what are you doing out here? It's you're in the middle of the heat. You got this afternoon off. What are you doing out here? He's just a, he's a this right now, man. Like what are you doing out here? You're in the middle of the heat. You got this afternoon off. What are you doing out here? He's just a, he's a weird golfer, man. It's, you know, hats off to him for this win and this performance.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I want to see more consistency out of it, but it's just a weird, weird, weird performance. That back nine was a thrill ride of sorts. What, Victor Hovland, a sign of life from him. He was very much in this golf tournament to win it. Are we buying, are we selling, are we selling, is Hovland back, is he just around? What, he's now launches himself up into 16th in the points,
Starting point is 00:14:59 safely inside for the tour championship, I would think, for no matter what happens next week, I've checked the math on that, but that's quite a leap from where we're sitting going into this week. Almost a hoblin slam. I mean, he won the last two playoff events and just missed out here. He's probably kicking himself on that last
Starting point is 00:15:18 birdie putty he had on 18. I don't know, from what I saw, some squirrely swings still. I mean, his issue, like his words at a, his words, I've seen him hit balls at a photo shoot, is he's really struggled to get spin with his irons, especially his long irons. It seems like he's been making, tweaking some stuff. KVV's piece brought that to light, but he's back with Joe Mayo. He's just so talented. It's a little bit like maybe the cream's rising to the top top here But he bounced up 41 spots in the FedEx Cup ranking. So he's yeah, like you said, he's up to 16th
Starting point is 00:15:50 So he's I would say he's definitely gonna be around for you know, tour championship. That's I don't know He might get hot like but I'm not I'm not really buying yet. If that makes sense I don't think it's like kind of like the PGA is like, oh, is he back? And then he kind of disappeared again for two months I feel like back to back to my initial point I did not watch a ton of this golf tournament because I was watching live and USA am and a couple other things But even just looking at the stats his putting from last year fell off a ton this year And I think that's kind of one of those underrated like when you talk about Victor Hovland you think like oh man He's just not ball striking it is good or he's not driving it as good or whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:25 But the putter has gotten a lot worse and it seemed like he figured something out this week on that front, 12th in strokes, gain putting. So it's all I mean, I don't know what the sustainability models would say, but in a way I almost feel like that's kind of one of the one of the most, I don't know, tenuous ways to kind of regain your form. You know, if you're if you're just having a streaky, a streaky putting week, I don't know, tenuous ways to kind of regain your form. You know, if you're just having a streaky putting week, I don't know if that's quite as concrete of a foundation as maybe like, oh, now all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:16:52 he started ball striking the shit out of it six weeks in a row. Those two things feel very differently to me. So I don't know if I'm totally buying the thing, but I'm interested. I don't know if I'm seeing the dip in putting that you're seeing, right? I'm seeing him like, you know, be giving,
Starting point is 00:17:07 he's given almost a half shot back per round around the greens, right? And this week he was still bad around the greens and he's given, you know, almost a quarter of a shot, over a quarter of a shot back with approach play and almost a quarter of a shot back with off the tee. Like he's taking a full 1.3 shots back per round. Like that's a massive leap backwards.
Starting point is 00:17:23 And again, we're looking for a path back. It's gonna look at something like this. He was fifth off the tee, fourth in approach play this past week on a golf course that isn't like dead set Victor Hovland style golf course. So good sign of life. It didn't feel as short term as the PGA did, right? This feels stronger than that for whatever reason.
Starting point is 00:17:46 I don't have anything really to back that up other than that one felt very flash in the pan for everything that was going on there. But I feel like he's at least bottomed out and is on his way back up. Yeah, and the putting thing, this is according to Data Golf, but I know it can get a little wonky,
Starting point is 00:18:01 but he was plus 1.8, it's standard deviation. So basically like in comparison to tour average, he was plus 1.8, it's standard deviation. So basically like in comparison to tour average, he was plus 1.8 last year in putting, which is a ton in the positive and he's down to 0.7 this year. So I mean, it's like, it's a pretty standard, a pretty significant drop off from last year, which obviously was a career year too.
Starting point is 00:18:20 But the, whatever, this is extremely, there'd be 0.1 shots per round on the per round basis. That's when he's falling back in putting, right? So it, again, that's- I just, it doesn't, you know, I know we've said it before, it's crazy to win the FedEx Cup, ball out at the Ryder Cup, and then decide to like change your swing.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Gotta go to work, baby. Time, what better time? We got those exemptions. I just don't know if I'm ever gonna understand that. Like, I respect it, but it's like, damn, man, maybe like wait a year. Like, why don't we try to ride this a little bit longer before we go down the rabbit hole? I'm never gonna understand that. I respect it, but it's like, damn, man, maybe wait a year? Why don't we try to ride this a little bit longer
Starting point is 00:18:47 before we go down the rabbit hole? I feel like if you, yeah, I mean, who knows what's in his head, but if he sees some flaw, though, I mean, that's all he's gonna think about. Yeah. Right, so it's probably hard to just keep, I don't, it's kind of like the tiger.
Starting point is 00:18:59 That doesn't mean you're right. That does not make you right. No, for sure, but it's probably the same as the Tiger 97 2000, like let's tear it all down and blow it back up, you know, kind of philosophy where it's like, if you don't trust it, man, or you think something's wrong, I gotta imagine there's a snowball effect. So like, can I do a little top 50 watch for us?
Starting point is 00:19:18 Or you want me to wait on that? Well, we can do that right now if you like. Can I tell you who was presenting that? Does that make sense? Yeah, please. It's presented by our friends at BMW, proud title sponsor of the BMW championship since the inception of the FedEx Cup playoffs
Starting point is 00:19:30 as well as the official vehicle of no laying up. They're looking forward to welcoming the top 50 players in the FedEx Cup to Castle Pines Golf Club in Denver, Colorado this week. What do you got for us? So yeah, I was watching the 50, they got deep on the PJ tour. They had decent live action, live projections going on.
Starting point is 00:19:49 But just off the top, Cam Davis, Tom Kim, Eric Cole just made a total mess down the stretch to make it interesting. A couple of winners, a couple of losers, or a winner and a couple of losers there. So Cam Davis and Eric Cole both in. Cam Davis dropped five spots, but he's still inside the top 50 at 49. And then Eric Cole, Country Music Sensation, tough season, but he rises eight shots. He doubled 18, but he was still inside the, he was at like 53, I think.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Bogey'd 18. Very important. Cam Davis doubled 18. Cam Davis doubled. Eric Cole hit in the water, had to lay up and had to get up and down for bogey on. There we go. That's right. But he shot 63 so it was a bit of a car wreck because he had it cooking. So he jumps up eight spots to 46 and then a young Tom Kim, it's always boy goes bogey. Double layout on this one. So what do you got?
Starting point is 00:20:44 Call the other room. I'll be right back. I got to take care of a couple of spots. Eight spots, eight spots to finish 50 first right behind Keegan Bradley, who was sweating it all day. Keegan dropped 11 spots and but he still he made it by the skin of his teeth. So he's 50 Tom Kim's on the outside looking in at 51 after, you know, listen, kind of kind of pouty out there today. Took a chunk out of the greens,
Starting point is 00:21:08 just not really what we want to see from the global superstar. You want to say anything about that? You're underselling it. He finished 666, played the last three five over par to miss the playoff by one, or miss the top 50 by one spot. Like that's a bad as it can get
Starting point is 00:21:22 and damaged a green in the process. Ah, Deidre. Guys, that's just, that's not what we're about. I have to, I'm forced to apologize for young Ton Kim who I've written for. He is officially my boy, but he's coming down a ring after this one. This was, this was tough. He is young as we've documented. Uh, and he has some time to mature into the global superstar that we all know him to be, but, uh, I will, but I will not stand for what happened today
Starting point is 00:21:46 and I will denounce it right here right now and I am a man enough to do that. Very cool. And it is a big miss because it's like, I said on the broadcast about a hundred times, but like, yeah, you're in all the signature events. It kind of sets you up for next season. It makes a lot of schedule decisions very easy.
Starting point is 00:22:02 And for a youngster like YK, he's going to have some decisions to make. That's a tough way to finish to finish 51st on the list. Cogs And this, Neil, brings us to the crux of this issue, which is right as you're getting to this, wow, there's a little bit of teeth in this new system. He's like world number 18. He's probably still going to get into the signature events as long as he doesn't have a free fall at the beginning of next year. So I don't know. I've waffled so many times on like when Hovland, you know, it was like 58th or whatever he was coming into this week and like he's not in the signature events going into next year,
Starting point is 00:22:39 but he is going to be in on world ranking. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. What a good system. And when Tom Kim gets in the same way, I'm like, man, fuck this. This is so stupid. There's got to be some downside. So let me give you the 45 to 50 is Alex Noren, Eric Cole, Max Graersman, Nick Dunlap, Cam Davis, guys, Max Grazerman, Grazerman, whatever. Grazerman needs a shout out to also shot a final round 63 and shot first round 75 So he's got like his whole life's flashing before his eyes are that last four holes at the Wyndham last week? he's got his career just like watching it go up and smoke at a
Starting point is 00:23:17 Greensboro last week shoot 75 in the first round like oh my god My season's gonna be over and they battles with the 63 today to get inside the top 50, get into all the Siggy's for next year. That was, that was cool, man. That was a good one to punch between. That's, that's the only reason you pay attention to both of those tournaments. I guess he starts at 47 finishes at 47 Dunlap climbs 19 spots. What a, what a day for him. I mean, a little shaky down the stretch. He probably has a few swings. He wants back on 16 and 17, but
Starting point is 00:23:49 really good stuff from him. I mean, again, we said on the happy hour, didn't get points for his win at AMEX because of the amateur status. He didn't deserve it. He didn't earn it. He didn't earn it. He barely won. Not a tour member. And so he's got a battle to get into to BMW and he did exactly what he had to do. I mean, that's impressive stuff. Cam Davis, we mentioned Keegan in. All right. 51, Tom Kim. 52, Mackenzie Hughes. Dropped four spots. That hurts. Mav McNeely came up a little short. 53. He jumped up six spots though. So, you know, he tried to finish through the line. I appreciate that. Patrick Rogers, 54. Justin Team Rose, 55. Started at 55, finished at 55, with a strong team around them, Deid. If you're a tournament director next year, you're giving Justin Rose sponsor exemptions
Starting point is 00:24:31 into Charlotte, Genesis, things of that nature. What are the top sponsor exemptions needed right now? I mean, who's the first name off the board, I think is probably gonna be pretty obvious. It's gonna be Jordan Spliff. Beef. Fowler. Ricky. Ricky's gonna be probably one of the first name off the board, I think is probably gonna be pretty obvious. It's gonna be Jordan Spliff. Beef. Fowler. Ricky.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Ricky's gonna be probably one of the first few to come off and then it's probably gonna go to somebody like Rose, I would think. That's tough. Yeah. All right, and then you've got a couple of other notes I had where Denny McCarthy, Lee Harvey jumps up 15 spots to 30, so he's right on the bubble for the tour championship.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Great week for him. We mentioned Victor jumped up 41 spots. So he's 14. Sam Burns signs of life. Bermuda Burns played kind of volatile this week. I mean, he had some car wrecks pretty much every day, but then he chipped in for Eagle today. So he battled back. He jumped up 11 spots to 19th. day. So he battled back. He jumped up 11 spots to 19th. Will Zalatoris jumps up. I had 16, but that was earlier in the day. I think it was 10. Let me check that. 12, 12 spots. So he's 37th. So he's kind of in that bubble territory for the tour championship, but he played really well. The losers, Brian Harmon dropped nine spots to 29th. So now he's kind of on that tour championship bubble after a really good early, like a lot of good finishes early in the season at the signature events.
Starting point is 00:25:49 He's kind of fallen off here the last couple of months. Cam Young dropped seven spots at 38th. So that's going to put a little pressure on him for the tour championship. God, I've just got to see some more stuff out of Cam Young. I'm sorry, Cody. I'm just not, not feeling it right now. Jake Knapp was 50 starting the week, dropped eight spots. See ya. Tom Kim discussed him. Keegan discussed him. And then Max dead last eight spots down. He is still inside the top 30, I believe. Let me confirm. He's not. He is at 43rd now. He was 33rd. Okay. Nevermind. So yeah, Max is in danger uh gonna have to have a
Starting point is 00:26:26 good week next week yeah let me pause part of this to just say this this section right here of the pod it better be some of the most trafficked content we get all year long right because for a lot of the year and into next year people are going to pretend to care who gets in these signature events and don't right i mean again, it gets like really down to the nitpick of like, yeah, this person shouldn't be in the field as if that's like a promotional thing of professional golf. It's one of the most scrutinized possible things
Starting point is 00:26:56 that set up a system that I think is overall very fair. Play good and you get to keep playing, you get to play in a lot of these events, you qualify into them. Yes, there's a couple sponsors exemptions that go to some of the most popular players. You can understand why if you understand the business of golf. Like it has just been raked over the coals, every little detail scrutinized. And I'm just kind of like, man, it just isn't that exciting to watch guys not get into golf
Starting point is 00:27:19 tournaments. I just don't think it's nearly as big of a deal as people have made it. I welcome any arguments against that. Well, I will say, I mean, there is some nitpicking to be made like the tripling the points for the playoffs gets like, like Scottie said, it gets a little silly where you're like, oh, you got hot for one week. So now Victor, you know, Victor's back in the top,
Starting point is 00:27:37 you know, 15. It's like, well, he's been, you know, the forgotten man all year. I think the majors, like to say that they're only 750 versus signature events at 700, when you consider there's a lot of other talent coming from another tour, that's just not true. And I know the tour is never going to admit that, but that's just, that's bullshit. The majors should have a much higher points associated with them.
Starting point is 00:28:01 And yeah, then it's just like, yeah, it's kind of a season long race, but then it's not because it comes down to the, you know, like staggered start at tour championship. But I agree with you. So I overall, like it's, it's a tough question to answer. Like if I had a better idea, I'd probably like, these are, these are things I think are wrong. There could be fixed, but I don't have a better like system for the tour championship. And that's where, so I think this was like the first time I was thinking about it today, the first time in a where, Soly, I think this was the first time, I was thinking about it today,
Starting point is 00:28:26 the first time in a very, very long time that truly I was like, I don't really care who wins the golf tournament. I was legitimately more interested in the bubble of top 50 and that's where I was kind of spending my day. Shout out to Sean Martin was doing a live blog at PJTour.com. I was following on who's in, who's out,
Starting point is 00:28:42 who's just hit it in the water, who needs to make a par here. That was actually kind of entertaining to watch. But I don't know, I mean, where I'm kind of looking for like the big flashing lights, fly the banner, you know, this, the system works type of stuff is, it's interesting, but I don't know that it's quite as interesting as,
Starting point is 00:29:00 I don't know if the fan interest is going to be there as, you know, as much as I'm interested in it. Like Matthew Pavon coming through the European tour exemption, getting a win and now fighting his way all the way up to like number 20. And now he's kind of set himself up for, you know, another season or two. Like that's okay. That's a cool story, man. That's- But we're not telling that story. That's the American dream, man. Come over here. Back to your point at the top though, is like, I'm taking notes on this. I'm actively seeking it out, like deep in the PGA tour site. Like there's no, there is no top 50 panel on ESPN
Starting point is 00:29:37 plus right now where like, is there something they could do where they just had a scoreboard where it's like kind of watching the guys on the bubble where it would be almost like a featured groups for like the dudes that are in danger. Like I know that's complicated, but you know, like how can we think about this? Could you put a, a highlight package together where it's like heading into Sunday, like, okay, here are the guys from, you know, 40 to 60. And like, here's what you need to know. Like, here's what could happen. Like the way they do like the I thought they covered that the 50 thing pretty, pretty well today. I mean, they had kids talking a lot about it, talking about techs he got from players about it and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:30:12 It, this is, this is not a coverage take on, on, on covering this top 50 thing. It's just like, I, I would disagree with you. I didn't get, I, I think they did what they could, but there's no graphic for it. There's no, and I know you got to cover the actual golf tournament. So I'm almost thinking about like, how can you, if I'm at PGA tour headquarters, how do we get people to care about this? Well, you got to show it to us or like. I think what's really hard earlier. I think what's really hard is the playoffs and all of these like promotion
Starting point is 00:30:39 relegation stuff in general is that the system is not sexy and you're almost what these guys are getting access to is almost like compounding interest, right? Where it's like, man, Matthew Pavon getting that DP World Tour exemption is now setting himself up. He's got his IRA set up and he's just, his next five years are gonna be much, much,
Starting point is 00:30:58 much more comfortable now. And it's just really hard to get excited about that story compared to if he misses this putty loses his job You're never gonna fucking hear his name again, which is cool It's done laughing on the stretch done lab had to make par which is the worst guy that you wanted in that position Where's like you'd give him a he does the only guy that twice deserves like all the money give him all the money Give him a free Monopoly pass into the tour championship. Give him a five shot head start. I don't care. Like he's the guy that deserves it. But do you know what I mean? It's the system totally makes sense on paper, I think. And if I was a player and I was in
Starting point is 00:31:33 meetings or I was an administrator, shout out to Tron's guy, Tyler, the creator, I would say like, dude, this is a really good system. And I would sign on the line for all of this making sense. But as a fan, I'm like, man, I got a lot going on and there's three different golf tournaments going on and I'm watching baseball and I'm doing shit around the house. I can't really think about how this impacts somebody's next five and a half years.
Starting point is 00:31:54 So the exchange here for the fan is like, hey, the signature events, they better rock. Like they better be really good, right? This is the fair part. This is like, hey, if you wanna play the signature events, you can totally qualify your way in. This is instead of doing the live shutoff, closed off system and all the things
Starting point is 00:32:10 that have been criticized on that other thing, it is open here. There's 18, I don't know what the final total number was. Coming into this week, there was like 18 new guys in these signature events. Play well, everything takes care of itself. Play well, next five, next 10, you're gonna get into these events, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:32:23 The trade off here needs to be like, these events gotta rule, right right and some have been really good and some have been just kind of whatever But that is kind of what they're setting this thing up for all the stars playing together most exciting names best chance and having the best showdowns possible and I Think they've they've been better than what was there prior again It's kind of what I always fall back on in this and we people forget I know it's not 100% attendance, but like it was not that as frequent that we got all the, you know, nine of the top 10 players in the same field. It is, it's happening a lot more frequently now and that's a good thing
Starting point is 00:32:53 overall. So, and like we got a question in here, like Jason A. Stein said, max finishes DFL only drops nine spots. Hideki wins by a field goal or more only jumps five. Do they have the points waiting right? And this one I'm kinda like throwing my hands up of like, it'd be really dumb if there wasn't movement in the standings this late, like the VJ thing where all you had to do was show up at the tour championship and win,
Starting point is 00:33:14 and there's also like, if it's overly volatile, is it just too much getting decided in these final few weeks that are the same format as all the other tournaments prior to this? Like, I don't think there's a great answer here. I don't feel strongly either way on how you move it. I think they're trying to still force this playoff thing on us. And it's not a playoff by any means.
Starting point is 00:33:32 It's a way of figuring out a divvy up bonus money. But I just don't I don't find no bone in my body like has a bone to pick with how the points fluctuate in these final three events, because maybe said, I don't care that much about who ends up winning. Yeah. Well, like I said earlier, I do think it's stupid that they're three X, but I understand what they're trying to do. But then it just, that's when it starts to feel a little silly. Yeah. I don't know. I got a kick out of Puka Donsich's question. St. Jude Loki always goaded. That made me laugh so hard. Your response.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Just about. I thought we were going to get another playoff. I always goaded. That made me laugh so hard. Your response. I thought we were going to get another playoff. Just goaded. The greatest of all time. Goaded. It just got me so good for St. Jude. You know what? Again, I'll say I wasn't dying to flip this on and watch the finish because I've seen
Starting point is 00:34:20 this golf course a bunch of times and whatever. I think this golf course is kind of interesting. I always kind of ride. I think it's above the line. If it's a one or a zero, I think it's a one. Totally agree. I always have a good time watching this golf course. Herculum Muffin, does TPC Southwind kind of rule finishes reachable par five fall by two tough par fours can cause chaos. I've kind of dig it. I'm right. Like 18 asks such a specific question. It's very TPC Sawgrassy. It's like it is if it's driver, it's a totally different line than three would add three would you still gotta you know throwed it in
Starting point is 00:34:48 that in that tiny little part and if you bail out right you're going to have a bad time like it just asks specific questions. I you know for I don't love like massive amounts of heat and thick ass Bermuda rough. I don't think that's the most
Starting point is 00:35:01 exciting style of play, but like overall for a pro golf test, I think TPC Southwind is is quite satisfactory then I also want to like we've gotten what 36 minutes in here and I Scotty and Xander I mean, you know Aquaman sure like they just they just they just rise they just they're they're always there Another top five finish for Scotty Xander almost steals it. I mean they go to a playoff It's like oh shit Xander might just come out of nowhere and win this thing. That would have been a sick playoff too. I was kind of bummed that I was, you know, I hate to say I was rooting against Hideki, but
Starting point is 00:35:32 to have Hovland, Xander and Hideki in a playoff on the 18th, that would have been awesome content. So I just want to give those two guys a shout out because they are truly lifting and separating from everybody else on the PGA tour. And it's week week in and week out those guys do not have off weeks. It's crazy. Trying to look at it. I mean the most recent signature events that Scotty has played. He won the Travelers. He won the Memorial Tournament. He won the RBC Heritage. He won the players. He won five straight. Is that right? Five straight signature events coming into this and then finish falls all the way back into fourth. And yeah, bad us open. So I should you know, they there have been a few off weeks, but these guys are just like locks for top
Starting point is 00:36:15 10s top fives. It's crazy. The leap Xander has taken is all anybody could have asked for after the the breaking he took over the Coles after Wells Fargo to go win two majors, compete this consistently. I mean, another thing to just flag, if you do care about who wins the FedEx Cup, Xander is one of the biggest horses for courses anywhere in golf is him with Eastlake. I know it's going to be a totally different Eastlake going into this year, but the fact
Starting point is 00:36:40 that that, maybe the reason that guy hasn't left the PGA Tour is he is like all the money gets decided at a golf course that he absolutely whoops everybody's ass on. So that would be very interesting. And Scotty notoriously has points. We've got Zander's at 5037, Scotty's at 6532. And that's where I'm like, you know, two majors has to count a little bit. I worked at the PGAet Swimmer for seven years. I don't know what that means. To your point though, I said this on the happy hour, like they would do themselves some favors if the points weren't so like random numbers.
Starting point is 00:37:13 Yeah. You know, it's like, yeah, you get 185 for fourth. It's like, well, like, can we just round it up? Like, can we just make it so it feels a little less like it's like 6,532.75 for Scotty. That's just like, how is this calculated? Nobody can understand it. The bottom three on this leaderboard was a tough scene for everyone in the NLU. Fam Jordan Spieth, and Roy McIlroy, T68 Max Homa, 70th. I'm assuming, I've not heard anyone talk about this. I know nobody cares about like the president's cup I get some more entertaining week to watch than a lot of people, you know
Starting point is 00:37:48 Give credit and team stuff is really interesting not heard anybody talk about Spieth for the president's cup team Like I know he's his play has obviously not been good enough on the surface, but he's been a part of a lot of these teams He did not make the president's cup team that went down to Royal Melbourne but I am assuming with the wrist stuff and This finish that he is I'm guessing he's off to the sunset to go get whatever the President's Cup team that went down to Royal Melbourne. But I am assuming with the wrist stuff and this finish that he is, I'm guessing he's off to the sunset to go get whatever he's gonna have done with his wrist and take the rest of the fall off.
Starting point is 00:38:10 When do we see Spieth again? Hero? Yeah, probably. I don't know what the, yeah, I don't know what the turnaround time for something like that is. I know not all of these are created the same, but just in reading the USAM, I know one of those finalists was out with a with wrist surgery. I think it was like 11 weeks was his
Starting point is 00:38:32 recuperation time. So yeah, I mean probably Hero or Kapalua. I'm sure you get an exemption into that. Yeah, go get right, man. Can you get, yeah, I didn't think about exemptions in the Kapalua. Do they have sponsor exemptions in that opening week? I think so. I have to. I think it's like a normal signature event, right? I guess you're right.
Starting point is 00:38:52 I guess you're right. Yeah, it's kind of weird, just a weird season. Not a lot of people really talking about it, he's just kind of off and doing his own thing and hasn't been able to find any magic. But I mean, I have a feeling that the wrist is a lot worse than he's let on. And for him to fall off that hard is a tough scene.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Rory, I know he hates this golf course, but that's pretty tough plus nine this week. And then yeah, tough second round 78 for Max this week. I don't know what's going on with Max. I know listening to the pod that you guys did the other day I know obviously was struggling with the driver and was dead last and in driving this week, but also 68th in Ball striking or kind of you know strokes gained approach like that's not him So, I don't know must clearly have some swing stuff going on that he's he's trying to figure out
Starting point is 00:39:41 Maybe trying to implement a change or something. But that's that ain't it. That's for sure. Especially as I've been you know, you mentioned the President's Cup and he talked about it a lot on that pod too. Like he's certainly not a lock. So I know he's he's balled out at the last couple that he's he's been on. But man, we can't be hanging up too many more of these. This is this might be a Popeyes meme for me of how hard I wrote for JT to be on that Ryder Cup team If I have to if I have to do that, you know If I have to fend off all everybody on Twitter for for max on the president's cup team That's gonna be an exhausting one
Starting point is 00:40:12 But the good the good thing is all you know Many many many of the good Americans have also left the tour and are not eligible for the Ryder Cup So, you know the competition's not exactly sterling And I'll say this to credit to Max for coming on the pod when things aren't going great, almost always like when you were putting a request in for a player, like when they're not playing as well as they like, they'd be like,
Starting point is 00:40:32 ah, I'd like to get my game straight. Understandably, like I'd like to get my game straight before I come on and kind of bear my soul on all this stuff, but not Max. So that's why we love him. Yeah. Before we move off of PGA Tour, Tyler Munson 7 said this about Hideki's
Starting point is 00:40:47 around the Eddie Gordado save. Tying run must make it to second at least two full counts and a warning track fly ball. End it with a backdoor slider to end an eight pitch at bat. That was on point. I really liked that one. I'm not ready to do full President's Cup show, but like Nick Dunlap for President's Cup. Well, yeah, what more do
Starting point is 00:41:07 you need to see there? So in? No, sorry, the sanctum, you know, we cannot that you can't do that to the President's Cup, right? He needs to show me four or five years of established success. We cannot do that mess around with the president. When I look at the FedEx, I got the FedEx Cup stuff up here. It's like, you know, Wyndham had a great start to the year. So he's at six, but then you got Syeth is eighth, which is kind of surprising to me. I mean, he hasn't won. And I guess I see him on the leaderboard a ton, but that's, that's impressive that he's in the top 10. Can't lays at nine. You got Akshay at 13.
Starting point is 00:41:41 I got, I'd love to see Akshay in the president's cup. But Sahith and Akshay, sign me up for those two, getting a look. But then, yeah, you got to drop one of these probably brand name dudes if you want to get both those guys in. So I don't know. It's going to be an interesting selection process. If you're looking back to Rome, the three, I mean, Kepka's obviously not going to be on the team and then Spieth and then Fowler. Those are three brand name drops right there. Burns has played well, but I wouldn't say he's like locked in Penn to be on. Big Tone is 14 behind Akshay.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Russell Henley's 17. Billy Horschel like jumped up four spots. He's at 19. He's been playing really good. Oh, also my play of the week hit top 10 for Horschel. How about that? How about that? How about that? Plus 270.
Starting point is 00:42:26 That's very good. The last Hampshire Dam stuff I had, NBC busted out a couple good graphics this week. Their blimp tracer or drone tracer, whatever they've got going, shows tee shots really well. I really like that touch. And they had a graphic too that showed where the pin was in each round and where Nick Dunlap
Starting point is 00:42:45 had hit it in relation to that pin and where he made birdies from all three times. I don't know what hole it was maybe the 10th hole. I hadn't seen them bust that one out. I thought those are some late season graphic ads from NBC didn't have that on the board. Maybe they've done that before and I missed it but I just want to say and I said it to you guys earlier, like Bones is so good. And if they just, they still did the four man booth or like the, the tag team, like Terry Gannon and backs and you got Dan Hicks and, um, Kevin Kisner pick a lane guys. And let me get some more bones. Like if I'm NBC, I'm back in the truck up to bones. Like dude, you're, he's so good Like if I'm NBC, I'm back in the truck up to Bones. Like, dude, he's so good and he has such good energy out on the course.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Every time he comes on, I look up from my computer. And every time anybody else is talking, I'm kind of just tuning them out. But when Bones comes on and starts describing a shot, and you know, like I just love, he gets a little stuff in like, you know, here's Dunlap and just like in the bunker and a great rake job, you know, but it's just like all the little, he's so good at it. And I, and I, I know he's on the course with a specific group, so it's hard to have too much of them, but like I would be in a room trying to figure out how to maximize Bones.
Starting point is 00:43:57 He's the best thing they got on NBC right now. And they're just, he's underutilized in the big weeks and it pisses me off. And I would credit, I thought Fax and Bones were good ham and egg with the Hideki situation in total today. I mean, Fax was kind of calling it as well, how quickly they were, they just, that nervy situation that Hideki got in, I was like, gosh, feels really weird
Starting point is 00:44:16 to praise NBC this hard, but I just kind of felt like they added to the drama a little bit there on that back nine, but. At times, Fax can kind of spin out of control. Like I got a quote in here, he said something like, Hideki's a grinder, changes his shoes in the parking lot. Like Tiger, it's a dude. What are you talking about, man?
Starting point is 00:44:29 Like what, where are we going with like just, he's kind of, he's kind of rambling and it's like, that's just less. There's so many guys. So like, can you hear us? I can now. I think I crapped out a little bit. I don't know if that was NBC pulling my plug or pulling your plug. And it looks like it was, I think they're pulling your club.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Got it. That's on me. It was, no, it was the now it's the guys behind the scenes from PGA Tour HQ. Got it. Why don't we move on a little bit here? This episode, of course, brought to you by Titleist, the number one ball on the LPGA Tour
Starting point is 00:44:56 and the choice of the now two-time LPGA champion, Lauren Coughlin. It was a year ago at the 2023 Scottish Open when LC made an important equipment change, changing ball models from the Pro V1X to the Pro V1. Lauren has always been an ex-player but started testing both models early last year to make sure she was dialed in. She was put a lower flying, lower spinning Pro V1 in play for the first time in Scotland and she found she was able to better control her flight and spin, especially in windy conditions. Fast forward to Sunday when Lauren's Pro V1 found the bottom of the cup for second LPGA victory in three weeks wins wins
Starting point is 00:45:30 Reaching 30 miles an hour on the west coast of Scotland Lauren was the only player to shoot all four rounds in the 60s which included a stretch of 47 consecutive holes of bogey free golf whether it's Pro V1 Pro V1 X or Pro V1 X left-ash Find the title is golf ball that performs best for your game Comes down to flight spin and feel and it's easy to start the fitting process head to titles comm Where you can use the golf ball selector tool or connect with a title is fitting expert over a free one-on-one video chat from there You'll get a recommended golf ball model and an alternative that you can bring to the course to test side by side before making your final selection absolutely electric
Starting point is 00:46:08 Week of golf for Lauren day of golf back nine of golf She took a one-shot lead into the final round of her Megan Kang at Dunn Donald She bogey the second and fourth holes early on to fall back into a tie for the lead Megan also made a boat early bogey, but then birdie the fifth in the seventh holes Esther Henslett emerged as her closest challenger but Lauren kept the pedal down she made some huge par saves on the back made birdies on 14 and 15 rolled in another par saver in between and then laid up on the 18th hole rolled in another bomb on 18 for good measure and a four shot
Starting point is 00:46:40 win we have Lauren on the line this was previously recorded I must say but what I'm sure you guys would love to hear from the champion she is recording this from outside of the Dunvegan it's a little noisy a lot of stuff going on but we can pretend this is live here is Lauren celebrating her Scottish Open victory. Alright for pod listeners this did not play for some reason on our live show but here's the interview with Lauren, you hear us reference later on that it didn't play but you guys get to hear the full thing. Here it is.
Starting point is 00:47:09 I mean, what do you what is your what is your reaction to this? I don't know. It's pretty wild. I don't know. I mean, after I made a couple bogeys there in the beginning, I was like, I wasn't too happy because I had played so good up until that point. But I mean, it was playing a lot tougher today. So Terry kind of just got me to chill out a little bit and, you know, take what, take what it would give me and knew I could make some putts coming in. All right. So you're outside the DUDVegan right now. I'm hearing the congratulations flowing.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Are you wearing a big shirt that says I just won the Scottish Open? How does everyone recognize you? I don't know. Well, I was just in there and one of the owners was there and so they put on like we are the champions as I came in and stuff. It was sick. That's incredible. They didn't let you walk off with the trophy though? No, no trophy. I guess they're gonna ship it ship it or something. I guess that's probably
Starting point is 00:48:10 a little bit better when you have to travel internationally and all that stuff. Yeah, exactly. I mean, so you you win obviously in your last start you have a week off you roll off into this start and you're 54 hole lead. Does it feel a little different going into it? Now you know you've got one done. Does it feel did you play with less pressure today? Yes and no Because I didn't have the lead going into the final round at Canada So I was kind of chasing Whereas today it was like a little bit like last night like even during the round yesterday I knew I was playing really good and could definitely feel myself get super excited and like, you know thinking I'd won it already
Starting point is 00:48:43 And it's like no you haven't won it, you know, thinking I'd won it already. And it's like, no, you haven't won it. You know, there's still 20 something holes left. So just kind of trying to reset as much as I could. And like a lot of what it is that I've learned from Terry, especially is just like how important communicating is. And like, if that's what you're feeling, that's fine. But like, you just kind of need to let it out and stop trying to keep it super internal and let it fester.
Starting point is 00:49:07 So even like last night I was texting him, I was texting Dr. Julie, who's the LPGA's like sports psych, different Dr. Julie than Max is. Yeah, so I think just like trying to get it out and be like, hey, I'm feeling these things. And then they're all like, you know, it's normal to feel those things. So, which I is has been super helpful
Starting point is 00:49:28 in the last year, especially, but then especially coming down the last few weeks. I mean, you have we followed your career, like we're used to like watching you, you know, fight for fight for position, fight for cut lines, fight for a different kind of pressure. Yet in these big pressure situations, these big putts you've had, big up and downs, big shots you got to execute, final group, like all of the waiting around for tee times, all this stuff, you seem to have elevated your play in this situation.
Starting point is 00:49:53 It's not as stressful watching you play in this situation as it is fighting for like a top 30 sometimes. Yeah, no, I think, I don't know, Terry jokes that like every time he like puts like, okay, you're like, here, if think, I don't know, Terry jokes that like, every time he like puts like, okay, you're like, here, if you make that chip, like, I'll give you $5. Like, next thing I know, like, I'm probably going to make it. So I don't know if it's just like, it just locks me in that extra bit or, or what. I think Chevron was big just like that whole week, especially like the last hole on 18th
Starting point is 00:50:22 and the final round, like making that putt there even though ended up not mattering But in the moment, I didn't know didn't know if it was going to or not so like that was kind of the first time where it's like, oh, I you know, I needed to make a putt and I made it and So I think it's just made my confidence with my putting all year just gone super far up I've always kind of hit shots when I needed to hit shots But I can't haven't always made the putts when I needed to And that's what started to happen. You did it like eight times today, right? It was like she's got a shot to play with it No, Drano. I mean, this doesn't need to go in. Yeah, what's going right in the middle you laid up on 18? What was that conversation like what we go through? I mean you had a big lead
Starting point is 00:50:57 It was the right call all that stuff But take me through like were you thinking like here's the only way this could go wrong as if I do something stupid here take me through like, were you thinking like, here's the only way this could go wrong is if I do something stupid here. I'll see you guys in there. Who's that? Kyle is bunch of caddies. What was the question? Just the conversation on 18, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:28 Yeah, I think, I mean, I knew I had a three shot lead, so I don't think there was ever any doubt that I was not gonna be going for it, just because, I mean, I probably could have got there. I think it was only 213 front, but the wind's howling off the left, and there's just no real good place to miss. And I remember last year,
Starting point is 00:51:45 I kind of went for it, not feeling super comfortable and ended up making double. And I remember talking to Terry about it. How it was just like, man, I just didn't like it. There just wasn't any, there's just no good place to miss. And so there's no, I never felt super comfortable about it. And so like, it wasn't even a question. He was automatically getting the layup number
Starting point is 00:52:03 and then we were going to get a good number and then that was it. You made the birdie too just for good. I mean you're already in St. Andrews. It was never a doubt too like as soon as I hit it I was like that's probably going in. Oh this is very fun to laugh about you winning by four instead of three on the live shows now after all all the career we've been following. But I mean, you roll right into your in St. Andrew's already. You're about to play the women's, AIG Women's Open at the old course this week. I mean, I don't need to talk you into dreaming big this week.
Starting point is 00:52:36 I mean, you've just proven you got the game. You've played links off. What's your confidence level going into this week? Yeah, I mean, it's huge, of course. I mean, the biggest thing is gonna be trying to come down from this as much as possible and then You know conserving my energy as much as possible and then getting back to it for next week is trying to get prepped for this week We're live on the show! Thank you. Sorry, it's Carrie Webb right there too.
Starting point is 00:53:12 What a scene. You're in like the coolest golf, you're the coolest place to celebrate a win. I will be. I will be. They can't hear if I go in. I'll be right in. Yeah, no, it's crazy. You're the coolest possible place to go celebrate a win. So we're gonna let you go. You got too much celebrate to get to. No, I gotta let you go. I'm holding you back from your party. We can't wait to follow you this week. Congratulations. We're so happy for you. So proud of you.
Starting point is 00:53:36 And keep it going. I will say, so Terry, the Monday and Tuesday before Canada, Terry is like, you know, let's be sure we know when the Canadian Open, the with the scholarship and the British open in the same year. Like we could do that too. So I'm two for three so far. God, Terry is a vibe. I love it. Could not be happier for you, you and John,
Starting point is 00:53:55 your whole family. Congratulations, go enjoy the celebration. We'll and good luck this week. Can't wait to watch. Thank you. See you guys. All right, scary Terry, 79 LPGA wins. Wild stuff there to have that guy on the bag.
Starting point is 00:54:09 I mean, just the, it was alpha stuff from LC this morning. I was so fired up watching it. What was it? Six one putts to finish. I mean, just like anytime she got in trouble, just sensible play, you know, knock in a five to six footer, like no stress. And then I don't know, man, it's just like, like, kind of like Xander. Like once you break through, it's just like, I, I got it now. Like I figured it's, it's so awesome to see that happen. I mean, two wins in three weeks is just big, big, big time stuff. And
Starting point is 00:54:40 I'm, I'm fired up about it. Especially with the putting too, right? I mean, that's always been the Achilles, where she's always been an elite ball striker. She's always driven it great and she's had some length and it's just getting that putter to cooperate and getting some confidence going. And now from everything you just said, it's like she's ready to kick the door down, man.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Keep going. Like solid. Just like wildly different golf courses, right? I mean, starting the day with the lead, like this is heady stuff in like brand new territory, especially for somebody who's just been grinding and grinding and grinding in professional golf for a decade. I mean, it's just, it's awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Starting point is 00:55:17 So I'll just go back to the KPMG at Atlanta Athletic Club. Lauren's staying with my parents. She's like struggling with her and her caddy are both like reading every putt and they're like, she's just kind of like, it was like, God, you gotta start reading, you know, just where, it's like, and now we're here, it's just so awesome, man. It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:55:37 I've re-uploaded the vid, I'm gonna give it one last shot here to see if this plays, if not, we're gonna move off this. We're getting spinning wheel again. This is unfortunately not gonna work. That is a big bum again. This is this is unfortunately not going to work. That is that is a big bummer. Stream yard, you let us let us down. Let us astray.
Starting point is 00:55:49 We let us to believe that that was going to work, but it did not. Could be user error. Right. Cody usually makes it happen. It's sitting right there. I don't know. I don't know what I could have possibly done wrong there. It's kind of like I feel the same way as when we have to recap. Keep going. After Max keeps winning golf tournaments.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Like, dude, I don't know what else to say here, man. Like, we're here watching all of your golf shots and rooting for you sweating shot by shot with things. We're not going anywhere near this. And this is like, I never got this far in my dreams, right? Of winning back to back. And to feel that normal that quick, I mean, I was not biting my nails nervous today. It was just kind of like, dude, I think she's got this.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Like, this is not, you know, I was kinda kidding with her in the interview of like, man, we've been around some cut line watches with you and it's not the same experience as it is watching you down the stretch in these big tournaments because you just, she hits the ball so fricking well and she said the difference again was just her putting. I mean, she puts it so much better than she has
Starting point is 00:56:43 and she just gets those big putts to roll in. It's just fricking incredible stuff. We're so happy for them and their family. I mean, it's a very easy comp. I know, but it's the best comp I got is like, it just reminds me of Max, right? Where you just, you watch this guy like chip and chip and chip and chip. And then when he finally breaks through and you see it like a couple of times back to back and all of a sudden, you're like, oh no, yeah. Like, we always said that was like one of the best players in the world. Like turns out, yeah, we were right. Okay. Okay. We were right about that. All right, good. Well, it makes you trust your own eyes because like you said that because like, you know, I kind of played a couple of rounds with Max. He kind of hits it
Starting point is 00:57:16 different than some other guys I played with, like, am I just making that up? You know? And then all of a sudden, like two years later, like, no, I wasn't making it up. That's like elite stuff. Yeah. Well, it just is, again, professional golf is this gauntlet that you got to run. I mean, you can go out and flash the best stuff ever if you're playing with your friends or in a practice round or on a Thursday or on a Friday, but the mental grind that goes into handling the ups and downs and playing hundreds of golf tournaments before you get yourself into contention on the LPGA Tour to win them and being able to trust all your instincts down the stretch, get to back right pins, hit it to the right
Starting point is 00:57:51 the touch on her chips and drain those pots like it's just it's such a massive question. And I just have such respect for her entire grind up through the Epson tour and just, you know, I'm sure wanting to give up multiple times and come out this on the other end like this is it's truly unbelievable. I'm so so pumped. Eat and Sleep Golf set is Lauren Coughlin the best chance of an American winner at St. Andrews. Certainly interesting. Yeah. I mean, Nellie's Nellie's good, but I would put her up there as well. God, I can't wait. I know.
Starting point is 00:58:30 I can't believe that we get to watch her try to win a major championship at the Old Course this week. That's a joke. I can't believe that's a real thing. It's awesome. Yeah, we'll have plenty of coverage too. That's why Cody's on a flight. He's heading over there.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Randy will be there. Jordan will be there. So we'll have plenty of content coming out next week on Women's Open stuff, which is great. And Lauren will be in the film room if people like, keeping my max comparison going here. If you guys liked watching Max and I break down solis around at abandoned dunes, we did one of those with Lauren breaking down the old course. So that'll be out this week as well. Over to the live Greenbrier event, Brooks Koepka and John Rahm went into a playoff. Rahm shot a 65 today, Koepka shot a 63. Koepka, Rahm, Icarito the green on 18,
Starting point is 00:59:21 hit into the back bunker, could not get up and down, kept the two putts to win. The live Greenbrier event, this was an entertaining golf event, man. I had that on. I was very curious to see the end of that one. Straight up, I was like, you know, you gotta vote with your wallet at some point, right?
Starting point is 00:59:39 And I'm looking on YouTube TV and I can click between the two. I'm like, do I wanna watch Hideki come down the stretch or do I wanna watch Brooks and John Rahm at, you know, the Greenbrier, which is a sweet golf course, by the way. And I was like, I'm going to watch live man. This is, this is, uh, this is pretty compelling stuff. And it was, it was good, obviously great finish and par three finishers. Awesome. Uh, it's, it is kind of fun on that golf course, which kind of plays like through that ravine where you can, you can hear them kind of get out
Starting point is 01:00:04 away from the music and then it feels like you're watching a real tournament. Then they come back in and you know, you get the, the, the club jams start kicking back up again, which is kind of funny, but, uh, really fun to watch those guys. It was, I have not, you know, spoiler alert guys, I haven't watched a lot of live golf, uh, in, in recent weeks and months. And maybe it's just that golf course. Obviously the PJ tour was there for a long time, but you know, just guys I haven't thought about in truly like years now, uh, once you fire up that broadcast, just Matt Jones and leash and Sebastian Munoz and Danny Lee and Oh, crack.
Starting point is 01:00:39 I'll play the old white of like, God, this feels like I'm watching like a YouTube video from 2011 or something, but, uh, great finish, man. Great finish. And I don't know if I want to do this now or later, but I was thinking about it. If I can say something without everybody getting mad at me here. I was going to get big mad. Good luck, dude. I am coming around to the idea of what would be pretty sick is January through the open is PJ tour and August through November is team golf with like real players. I think I could get down with that. I think that would be, I think that would be sick. Yeah, I don't think anybody's gonna get back at us.
Starting point is 01:01:21 We've presented the most rational, most realistic, legal and very cool Dej. Most realistic conclusion here, right most rational, most realistic- That's a very rational, very legal, and very cool, Dej. Most realistic conclusion here, right? Well, I think it was kind of like a weird, like, you know, three event, like, team series is what the PJ Tour's thrown out, and like, that all seems super, super lame. Or the TGL, you know?
Starting point is 01:01:37 And then you've got- The TGL's like percolating back there, which is depressing, but- We're getting strategic with the sports group, bro. Yeah, I just, I don't know, man. I can see it. You can see some of the team stuff coalesce, I feel like. And TC actually sent through,
Starting point is 01:01:53 I asked him for some takeaways. He's obviously not on the pod. He watched a ton of live golf this week. So he sent me a number of takeaways to read here. You guys cut me off. You know, we can take a break from these whenever you want, but I'm just going to read a couple of these from this from TC. These are from our guide, Tron. Number one resounding victory from smash. They shut the door in part in
Starting point is 01:02:15 thanks in part to John Catlin who shot for under on Sunday. Depth is everything on Sunday. Even more impressive considering they flew to Nashville and back last night to watch gooch's Oklahoma wildcatters get completely pantsed by the Missouri Thunder. If you don't know what that's about, Taylor Guch bought a professional bull riding team, moved them to Oklahoma and apparently all of Smash got on the PJ flu to watch Gucci's professional bull riding team. Big head continues to do big things. Yeah. Some interesting things there.
Starting point is 01:02:48 I thought you guys would want to know, I did look it up. The Oklahoma Wildcatters are in sixth place currently out of 10 teams in the PBR. They're a distant sixth behind the Carolina Cowboys, the Kansas City Outlaws. Cody's Texas Rattlers and Solly's Florida Freedom are in the basement in the PBR. Tough scene for a potentially bankrupt Greenbrier that you literally got to fly out of there for entertainment at night during a live of it. Fun crossover here. So Gooch involved with the PR, so is Lazry. Is that right?
Starting point is 01:03:18 A strategic sports group investor. So how about that? Maybe that could be an olive branch, common ground. All right, observation number two, third leg Greg was in the booth on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday, he went out of his way to tell a story about how tour officials were trying to kick him off the range in Paris during the Olympics. Didn't know he was there. He said he was taking all sorts of notes for Brisbane 32, but would not divulge his secrets. So watch that space. Number three, the Aces continued to
Starting point is 01:03:44 confound one of the biggest collapses in sports history. Currently 10th on the season, hanging out at the bottom behind the goats and just ahead of the Ironheads, Majestics and High Flyers. Navy on Navy outfits today they've totally lost their way. Varner deal has been a disaster. They need to move off of him and Perez and offer Daniel Berger a massive deal. I love that idea. In the meantime, if I'm DJ or Lady J, I would pull a Tonya Harding on Perez, try to get Cantler or Catlin in their ASAP. He also says Ripper's the team to beat this season that needs Jonesy to step up and look for an off season move for Pooj from Los Fireballs to possibly to Legion.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Must credit TC if that happens. He goes on for quite a while. I'm going to go ahead and say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that.
Starting point is 01:04:28 I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that.
Starting point is 01:04:36 I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that.
Starting point is 01:04:44 I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that. everybody to check out the Ironheads did a little vignette video about cleaning up a local muni. He said very bizarre to see daily Lee Kevin, not Scott Vincent, just interacting with a bunch of kids from rural West Virginia on behalf of a Saudi sports league. And he also wanted to point out how long Brooks's shorts were. So it's pretty baggy. Very, very long. And the fact that he continues to not wear any not one piece of smash gear while he's the captain of the team always makes me chuckle. What a leader. And the last thing from TC was that he just,
Starting point is 01:05:11 I apparently he had really kicked the hornets nest and had a lot of people from the fine state of Minnesota coming at him, defending Hazelteen. And he just wanted to say, if it was such a good place, why are they completely blowing it up and redoing it entirely? So just, I thought that was a pretty good Pretty good mic drop from TC
Starting point is 01:05:28 DJ were pushing the the limited live stuff I flipped over to see they were really pushing the drop zone pretty hard on the broadcast I think that's like the relegation thing. Did you get any any insight looked like pap? Perez was in the drop zone, you know, I saw pap Perez was grinding I didn't see where things actually netted out here. They were pretty, pretty focused on the, on the Brooks and John Rom playoff, understandably. I mean, TC, like with the, with the words that you just read, he could truly be an analyst on the live broadcast because that's like, how they talk like be a step out of how they talk of like very overly dramatic about everything,
Starting point is 01:06:07 which is sweet. Yeah. I think TC's doing a better job of like analyzing actual strategy. Like again, there's not actual strategy to what's going on here, but he pretends like there is. And it's actually like kind of intriguing. Like why aren't people talking about the collapse of the aces? Look for an off season move from Los Fireballs. Like, yeah, what would the move be? If you got to the open and it was like, yo, we're switching gears. Everybody's turning their guns on it.
Starting point is 01:06:33 It's time for team golf. And all these guys are gonna get in the locker room together and we're gonna, you know, off season moves and things like that. I think I could get down with that. So you just spoke glowingly for 15 minutes on Liv. Was it worth splitting the entire golf world up for this stage in your opinion?
Starting point is 01:06:49 Do you wanna clarify that before people come at you? We'll see where we net out. We'll see where we net out in 29. You know, let's see where it goes. I think to answer your question, Neil, it appears Scott Vincent, Brandon Grace, Laurie Cantor, Bubble Kalis Mujah and I'm not gonna pretend I know Kieran Vincent great hair on Kieran Vincent
Starting point is 01:07:11 Are your drop zone folks? Baba smell you range goats looking for a new new member Yeah, well now I could focus on his captain captaining duties. I believe so do you keep your status of your captain? Who knows man? Hmm. This is a great one from from Matt I can focus on his capturing, captaining duties, I believe. So do you keep your status of your captain? Who knows, man. This is a great one from, from Matt. He says, Tron needs to release a weekly live email. What's the scrim? That would do numbees.
Starting point is 01:07:35 Legitimately sick idea. Great idea. All right, we gotta do that. Yeah, he's gonna, let's go to this queue. Also somebody said who won? We didn't really mention that. Brooks kept going. I said Brooks won. Did you say that? All right, all right. Oh, also somebody said who won. We didn't really mention that.
Starting point is 01:07:50 Brooks won. Rob almost buried that putt on the first playoff hole, like which I was having a little deja vu from, I know it was against DJ, but BMW championship, 20, is that 2020? Yeah. Yeah. Remember when he made that bomb over the hill? Like that was such a sick tournament. Funnel pin though, according to Randy. So, yeah, true. Which, hey, 18th holes as par threes, please, all of them. Like that is such a great tournament setup to just have it be everything be right there. And just, I don't know, I love 18th hole finishers.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Like a little wedge on that thing. Seems like it's a no-no with designers. I mean, I pass a tempo. What am I missing? Another famous course with a par three finisher. East Bay. East Bay was, but they flipped the nines. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:32 There's really not a lot of them, but I mean, it plays for professional golf. Are you kidding me? Like that was a cool arena around there. And that's a cool, thumbprint greens are like, there's just so much intrigue in how aggressive you want to be like Rom came up short in regulation and then tried to get one back there in the playoff and ended up
Starting point is 01:08:49 in that back bunker like it's just a you can get your hand caught in the cookie jar really well with with a really good thumbprint green like that so now I mean to go from Greenbrier which is objectively a really good golf course Seth Rainder golf course to bowling Brookbrook is, is a tough transition, I think. But, you know, it was a, it was a, lived and get a ton of dubs throughout the course this past season. I think today was unequivocally a dub, not worth it. It was a dub. I think, and I think that, you know, like
Starting point is 01:09:17 we've talked about earlier, like the strategy of going to places that don't get enough golf. I know what, you know, Greenbrier has had a PGA Tour event in the past, but Nashville, I know next year, they're looking at Indianapolis. Like that's, I think that's a bit of a winning strategy. There's some chatter about Chambers Bay, you know, like something up in the Pacific Northwest.
Starting point is 01:09:37 You know, cause the tour doesn't hit a lot of stuff, like certain cities and that's an opportunity. There's an open flank there for the tour. I'm not getting too long of a conversation. I'm gonna poke holes in that of like winning strategy. Like what's the end game there? Like what does that mean? What I mean by that, Solly,
Starting point is 01:09:53 is you're gonna get a lot of fans. Yes. And you're gonna have buzz. And you're gonna get like, wow, if I flip this on for 15 minutes to watch the ending, I'm gonna be like, man, these guys, that looks pretty cool, you know? Now, is it a money-making win? No.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Like, and what I'm just saying for- I feel like less of a win and more of a kind of don't get shut out strategy. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's, let me, you're right. I should adjust how I say that, but- Because Buzz straight up has not translated people watching on television and any, like, active real TV deals or sponsorships or any of the things
Starting point is 01:10:24 that would be actually real for a league. Like we've talked about many, many times. We don't need to read it. Come on man, it's a sick party though. It looks like fun. You're just pissed cause you can't go. I would love to go. Then I'll come to Jacksonville.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Come to Jacksonville. They're scared. United States Amateur Championship. This was DJ Pye watched a fair amount of this today. What were your takeaways? Yeah, I got sucked in a little bit. Our guy Jose Luis Ballesteros of Spain became the second Spaniard to win a USGA trophy. Only him and John Rahm. No other Spaniards in any and all those USGA championships have won. Really kind of a fun final to watch if you
Starting point is 01:11:02 like watching college kickers, if you like watching kind of unpredictability type of type of feel it was like Noah Kent was the the runner-up from University of Iowa He was the number 560 ranked player in the world amateur golf rankings coming into the week. So a real like you know, no one expected us to be here type of a real like, you know, no one expected us to be here type of situation and playing in Minnesota, playing at Hazel teen, massive Iowa crowd following him, which was, which made for a really fun dynamic. Every time he's hitting shots, guys are whooping and hooting and hollering, trying to to cheer him on to victory. I think he got four down with like six to play and made it all the
Starting point is 01:11:42 way to the 36th hole of the final. So some of that was due to good golf. Some of that was due to both of these guys kind of thrown up all over themselves. But I've made for a compelling TV product either way, especially when we just spent the first 40 minutes talking about a golf tournament. They're like, it doesn't really matter who wins. And it's kind of just the direct deposit Olympics going on over there. So it was a fun It was a fun one to watch a couple other things to note
Starting point is 01:12:10 Luke Clanton everybody's favorite amateur the guy who has finished top 10 three times on the PJ tour this year He made it through stroke play made it through the round of 64 eventually ran out of gas was knocked out in the round of 32 by General Jackson Buchanan out of gas was knocked out in the round of 32 by General Jackson Buchanan, who is the Big Ten player of the year from the university. Great, great grandson of President James Buchanan. Jackson Tyler Buchanan. Yeah, this is his middle name as well. That's right. So stud from Mike Smalls University of Illinois team. But yeah, I don't really know what to make of the tournament as a as a whole as I feel like we talked About this with the US am a lot. I know the last couple years have been solid but before that it's always it's a bit of a weird one
Starting point is 01:12:51 It's kind of fluky. It's a very much a survival test where you know You just have to play so many rounds of golf in order to kind of finally get through But for whatever reason I have a soft spot and I always enjoy watching it. And so that, I don't know, that kind of concludes your USM coverage. I'm glad I watched it. I don't regret watching it.
Starting point is 01:13:11 It was fun, but you know, probably not the best USM in the history of golf. Did the venue contribute at all to it not being the best USM? I'm not gonna go there. I didn't watch enough in order to feel that way. Listen, I don't like Hazel Teen. Certainly. I don't think it's like a great tournament golf course. But I'm not going to say I was like sitting there stewing in my chair, just like super
Starting point is 01:13:37 mad about, you know, catch basins and stuff like that. That's not, I don't really watch golf that way anymore. I'm going to be honest. I watched, I guess this was, I think it was Friday. I watched Bobby Massa go to extra holes with, I can't remember the guy's name. I think he won the Canadian AM and they went to like 22 holes, almost got ended by darkness. And I sent a note through, it was like, God, this guy Massa is like cruising at like 193 ball speeds, like 36 and a performance coach in Dallas. And you guys kind of, you know, I was like, man, this is sick. Like this guy's got a kid.
Starting point is 01:14:10 He's like, you know, that could be me. What, what next year? And then you guys are like, yeah, he's a former pro. And that got me down the rabbit hole of like the whole eligibility thing is kind of a disgrace at this point. Like, you can't have like 50 corn fairy events. Like I think there should be a rule that like, if you. You can't have like 50 corn fairy events. Like, I think there should be a rule that like, if you played pro golf for four years, and you want to get your amateur
Starting point is 01:14:30 eligibility back, maybe you have to take a four year break. You know, it's just like, as many years as you were a pro, you got to sit out on this stuff. Because I don't know, there's something weird about that for me, though, because it seems like there's a few of those guys that were pros and they basically just had to go to the golf version of the DMV, get a stamp, and now they're AMs. It makes the US AM a little bit less, I don't know, I don't want to be snobby or high-minded about it, but it hurts the storyline a little bit. Am I off base with that? Tim Cynova I don't know how I feel about it. I was listening to the shotgun start guys were talking about that this week and I thought they had a good conversation about it and poor ass point was, you know, what's the difference between like this whole notion that amateurism is alive and well
Starting point is 01:15:19 and these guys are just out there for the spirit of the game is kind of... Sure, with the NIL stuff and the college kids making lots of money. Luke Clanton, Hawk and Union Home mortgages. At the Rock mortgage, which he's saying. Gordon Sargent signing a deal with Nike and Titleist and who knows what any of that stuff's worth. It's, they're all kind of pros already anyways. I know that's painting with too broad of a brush as well
Starting point is 01:15:42 on the other side, so I don't know. I'm with you. I mean, it's kind of like a, if you could let me dial the clock back to 1985, like I would, but I just don't know that that's. Well, that's why it's a simple fix for me though of like, yo, if you said, if you declared I'm a pro golfer, like if you made that declaration and you sent it and like, I'm going to do everything I fucking can to make it on the PGA tour and you don't make it and you sent it and like, I'm gonna do everything I fucking can to make it on the PGA tour. And you don't make it, and you wanna go back
Starting point is 01:16:07 to being an amateur, I feel like there should be a little bit of a trade off there. That's all I'm saying. I agree with you though on the NIL stuff has clouded it and I'm not pretending to say that like these college. You know, that is how it works just for clarification. Like if it's based on like how much money you've earned, right, is an agent period of all this to getting your amateur.
Starting point is 01:16:25 You don't just snap your fingers and get it back. But there's like, dude, I've played like a mid-am event with a dude that played like 11 seasons on the corn fairy tour. And you're just like, okay, we're not the same here. You dedicate 11 years of your life to like playing golf for a living. That's what your job was. And that's what I don't understand getting your amateur status back at all. Like I get it for like hitting giggles and tournaments and all that stuff, but like USGA stuff to me it would be like dude if you played professional golf if you were a Professional golfer declared I'm good enough at this game like it's gonna be my job now that seems to be answering a different question than like
Starting point is 01:17:01 Amateur I don't care that you get paid for a club deal or whatever It's like eventually you play amateur golf long enough and you're good enough to go make it your job. Like you graduate out of that. Like you're kind of done. It's like pulling a starting pitcher. You don't get to go back in the game. You know, if you, it's just, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:17:16 I don't get it. I think there should be a USGA championship like called like the true AM or the true mid AM. If you ever made a dollar playing professional, either one, you're not eligible for this one. Or that's how they should execute these tournaments. Maybe that's just me being biased towards it. But it's like, it's like, it's just, I don't get it. And somebody can explain it maybe better than I could. Well, there's a trade off, like look at Dunlap. There's a trade off with him. Like he was an amateur, won the AMX and he doesn't get his points.
Starting point is 01:17:42 You know? So it's like, you know, so he asked, I don't know, there's like no, then there's no, to me, no difference in like the declaration of pro and amateur. I guess that's, indeed your point is like, well, yeah, it's all the same at this point. I think this is a good point too, from Chris in the, in the comments, it's, I think originally was geared towards club pros who decided like, man,
Starting point is 01:18:02 I'm going to become an accountant or I don't want to be a club pro, like a quote unquote professional golfer anymore. Like that to me feels like something that is totally fair. But then again, you try to put everything under one bucket and it just kinda clouds the whole thing, and now it's just gotten even more cloudy. Also, if we're making declarations to the USGA,
Starting point is 01:18:22 there should be a foursums championship, a United States All-Chot Championship. There should be a foursomes championship, a United States All-Chot Championship. There should be. For sure. Like there's a four ball, there should be a foursomes. That would be. That's in our kind of being the best at some obscure niche. I'm Scott, you know, I love that stuff. Like, and they should get in the hickory game too. It should be a USJ hickory event. That'd be sick. The foursomes, that I mean that Legitimately would give me very very excited. I think that would be an awesome awesome tournament, but agree anyways, that's my that's my that's my rant on professionalism in the amateur game, but Don't have a ton of various news from around the golf. Also. Sorry. I don't want to I don't want to like I
Starting point is 01:19:01 Feel bad like Bobby mass. I was very impressed with this game Yeah, like I don't want to I'm not trying bad. Like Bobby mass. I was very impressed with this game. Like I don't want to, I'm not trying to diss anybody. Seriously. Like I was like, yo, this guy's sick. Like he's, he's piping the ball and he's, you know, I just, but then it's like, you read it and you're like, Oh man. And maybe I'm, maybe I'm getting the wool pulled over my eyes. Just with like who these guys are still a great accomplishment. Like a hundred percent. He made a sick putt to get to advance. And, and, and so, uh, yeah, I just, yeah, I just wanted to get that in there. I'm not trying to sully anyone's name. And my point there would be like, I don't want to have to do that, right?
Starting point is 01:19:32 Just don't let former pros play in this stuff. But that's how they run their organization. I wish TC was here for this one. I'm sure, I don't know if he's have any remarks over to you DJ but TPC Craig ranch is getting a facelift from Lanny Watkins. He's preparing a whole separate newsletter about that. I'll have to make sure to tune into that one. But that's listen, I think it's probably a fair, a fair call. I think it's time. Yeah, I got one shout out I want to make and DJ I had a graphic I don't know if now the code he's gone. Yeah, I got one shout out I want to make. And DJ, I had a graphic. I don't know if now that Cody's gone.
Starting point is 01:20:06 It was an Instagram post. I can get you dialed. Why don't you vamp for a second and I'll get it. All right, so somebody alerted me to this in the DMs this week, but there's a new low, what is it, like low round record holder at Moller High School in Cincinnati. We'll get the kid's name when it pops up, but he broke a 17 year record held by my good friend Tommy Armour the fourth Shot was a I think this kid shot 65 and and Tommy had a high school record of 66
Starting point is 01:20:39 And I was like Tommy I was unfamiliar with your game that you you held a 17 year record at Mueller high school in Cincinnati. And I just wanted to give a shout out for that because that's a sick record to have a high school record last that long. So shout out, if we can get the guy's name. Let me try to find it for you. I can get you the name here. Yeah. The name is Landon Harris. Landon Harris. Shout out to Landon Harris at Mueller high school for taking down TA four's scoring record. I just wanted to give him a shout out. Good stuff.
Starting point is 01:21:09 For whatever reason, the screen share is not working, but I, here you go. We're lost without Cody. We really need our guy. We really are. I think something's up with Stringer tonight. I don't think this is entirely, entirely our fault, but. There's your guy, Neil. There he is. There he is. There he is. Shout out to, you know,
Starting point is 01:21:29 Moller, the home of Ken Griffey Jr. How about that? Is that right? That's right. You want to give us some housekeeping items here, Neil, as we move to rep. Housekeeping, Sally, I got one for you. We have Holderness and Born Fall collections
Starting point is 01:21:41 live in the Pro Shop. The No Laying Up Pro Shop is stocked, store.nolangup.com. This week, spend $100, get a free NLU towel of choice with code 100, the number is 100. So add the towel to your cart, fill up your cart over $100, plug in $100 at checkout, and you'll get a free towel. Store.nolangup.com. So I think that's a simple one. I love your scavenger hunts.
Starting point is 01:22:09 I love your scavenger hunts. This is my favorite. We got some really good like quilted hoodies from H&B, some good outerwear to get ready for fall. And then like, I think Casey's just been killing it with the hat selection lately. And we got a bunch more coming. Actually, I'm wearing a Angus and Grace mock neck
Starting point is 01:22:25 if you wanna dress it up. I got the mock neck on right now for a little off-speed pitch in the pro shop. Like I said earlier, Randy, Cody, Jordan heading to St. Andrews for the Women's Open. Plenty of content there next week. And then TC, Casey, Ben and I will be out at the BMW Championship.
Starting point is 01:22:42 Guys, I'm fired up. I'm playing in my first pro-am-am see on the other side brother on Wednesday So, you know gonna go to country music sensation Luke Bryan party on on Tuesday The strap boys on the come-up Dej make sure you put a ton of pressure on yourself Try to impress them putt out I would say Yeah, yeah cups and just just know in the back of your head that if you really impress him, maybe they'll ask you to play in the PGA tour Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That is what's at stake. It's about you out there Just remember you guys have been wet your beat for so long and just daddy's like hey
Starting point is 01:23:16 When am I gonna get a taste just a taste of this pro am like just a shot? What else we got we got the if you're looking for a preview of Castle Pines, Tron vs. Raj Film Room, electric stuff, Raj at altitude. That's Roger Steele for those that don't know. They did a nice little film room at Castle Pines. DJ mentioned we've got the St. Andrews film room coming out with Lauren Coughlin in the booth, which is great. What else am I missing? We got a new one coming out, city tours coming out this week too, Dej. That's right.
Starting point is 01:23:48 Tron and Randy went to, we've always kind of set the deck as like, man, it seems like we should just go into a city, play a bunch of golf, and kind of make one video about like where to play, where to eat, what to do, all of that stuff. So we kicked off that kind of a pilot type of thing with Randy out in Denver. I think we're going to do another one of those in New York with baby Neil, which
Starting point is 01:24:11 I think would be great. Sorry, Brooklyn specifically. And yeah, so really excited about that. And then also on the video front, I think circle your calendars, August 28th, the evening of August 28th, we're gonna do our old course in reverse film that we have been working on for quite a few months. That is gonna be presented by our friends at Yeti. I think it's gonna be really cool and really fun and I think people are gonna dig it. So August 28th, look for that. And yeah, that thus concludes your content update.
Starting point is 01:24:44 We'll also be As mentioned there we're gonna we're kind of cross crossing over the content this week We're gonna have a preview of the AIG women's open is coming out this week We're also gonna have a happy hour 4 p.m Like we on Wednesday like we always do We're gonna check in with our boys that are and lady that it's over there in Scotland They IG they're gonna be I have a Friday Halfway through the AIG women's open show. And then we are going to be live on Sunday night. I believe we are planning to be live two different times on Sunday night.
Starting point is 01:25:10 The crew over in Scotland is going to go live when the AIG Women's Open wraps. And then we're going to go live when the BMW Championship wraps over here in the US. If you're a podcast listener, we're going to combine them into one episode on your podcast feed so you don't need to search for any of that. But if you're looking for two live shows next weekend, that is kind of what we're planning to do as of now with two big events coming up this coming week. I'm excited for the old course and Castle Pines.
Starting point is 01:25:34 I'm excited to be home for it because I don't have to miss out on one of them. I'm excited. You guys are going to get to experience in persons, but in person experiences. But I'm going to have the multi-tease, multi-TV setup. Absolutely thriving this week, so Thank you everyone for tuning in I apologize for the technical difficulties for the live and video viewers for the LC interview Go check it out on the podcast give us the double download on those that helps us as well Shout out to our friends, of course at high noon title list BMW. We'll see you back here for a big week of content.
Starting point is 01:26:05 Thank you to Neil, DJ Pi. Thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll see you back here soon. Cheers.

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