No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 893 - Scottie's Incredible Season, Tour Championship Fixes, & Presidents Cup Picks

Episode Date: September 1, 2024

Scottie Scheffler cruises to a five shot win at the Tour Championship. We go through his ridiculous 2024, attempt to put into perspective, remember the (many) highlights, dig into the numbers, and talk about what 2025 might look for him. We also do our annual revisit of "how to fix the Tour Championship," and why the staggered start just isn't working. We also chat LPGA, Presidents Cup picks, Curtis Cup, listener questions, and a lot more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show presented as always by our friends at high noon. Solly here joined by my guy DJ Pye. Hello Pye Man. Greetings guys. Happy Tour Championship. The season is over, but uh, you know, the takes shall remain. Great to be with you guys. TC is here. Hello, TC. Hello.

God, what a season it was. What a tour championship it was. Cody's got the white mesh background for us here in the live show to match the mesh that they used at East Lake. Love it. I love it. I salute both of you, all three of us really for having our microphones up and working here as we bring the season to a close.

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Winners. I need you out at Everbank this year, just in the crushing end zone packs up in the pools. I Love the cranberry. I'm very great. That's my great blog for you cranberries definitely top five for me Winners from around the world Scottie Scheffler wins the tour championship Nicholas Noorgaard wins the British Masters Great Britain and Ireland win the Curtis Cup at Sunningdale as we go to record LPGA tour still in a delay A few holes left in that one. Hey Rin you is winning that one tied with Jinyoung Ko With a couple chasers in there as well

We'll maybe get to that if it does wrap up while we're on the air At the tour championship, of course Scotty Scheffler starting with a two-shot lead promptly shoot starting with a two shot lead, promptly shoot 65, 66, 66 on the brand new East Lake greens. Get the week started. Colin Morikawa shot 66, 63, 67 to get within five for the final round. Scotty's lead grew to seven at one point, but it was just four when they got to the eighth hole. The T's were moved up. Scotty drove it in the greenside bunker and proceeded to hit a cold shank on his bunker shot and make bogey more a cowl made birdie and the lead was just two scottie collapsed from there on out uh now he of

course stuffed a four iron from 236 yards to just a few feet made birdie then birdie 10 and then birdie 11 is that a hole on nine like the yeah tee shot on nine i'm just like okay cool this thing's over again. I think he just did that on purpose on A just to feel something, just to feel alive. Stretched the lead was five, just three holes later. It was pretty routine from there. He made eagle on the 14th hole, made pars the rest away, shoot 67 as did more a cowl, which is what I told you in the FanDuel sports pick on Sunday morning that they would both shoot 67 or better. Another hit. Scotty wins by four. DJ, what's your reaction to Scotty

putting the exclamation point on the season? Exclamation point. I mean, I think you took the words out of my mouth there. There's a lot of hot air about this tournament, which I'm sure we will add to over the course of the next hour. But I think if you really pressed, you know, the Tour Championship kind of has two objectives.

I think the one is to be a giant ATM for the best players in the world and redistribute a bunch of corporate cash to these guys that they can't really just write checks for. If I may say. Check, and then, you know, a second kind of byproduct is like, ah, I hope the best player wins. Like that would be great too, if we could reward the best player over the course of the season with

a big giant check. And that's what they did today. So it doesn't always go that way. There's been years where the guy who kind of comes out of nowhere at the tour championship wins. There's been years where it's been wildly boring. And of course the guy who was always going to win wins. And obviously this felt much more like that but I don't think there's a more deserving player to You know drive away in the Brinks truck than Scottie Scheffler and and that's what we saw So it was a very exciting golf tournament TC for about six minutes there I think after the shank and before that four iron into number nine

But you know outside of that Scottie just kind of did what he did all year, which is just kind of slowly suffocate these golf tournaments by driving it really long, really straight and hitting his irons great and being a sneaky good butter. Amen. And he made he made $62 million. Do you know how much Tiger made on course on the PGA Tour in his career? made on course on the PGA tour in his career. 120, 120, I think 120 999 166 dollars that is that counts FedEx and this won't count. This 25 won't count towards me not on course on on

our even that I mean, you know, even then it's it's I think Jay's Jay's certainly bribed these guys of like, hey, it's kind of like the old adage of like, are you better off now than you were four years ago with the presidential stuff? Look at the economy, man. Are you sweating when you go to the gas pump these days? I don't think so. Adam Hadwin, who made $4 million this year.

Did you say $29 million for this week? They don't pay an extra- 29 on course, sorry. 29, I had it backwards. 29 on course this year, 25 for FedExCup. Plus Comcast, plus PIP money. 29 million dollars on course this year. Prior to getting the 25 million dollars.

He won, I saw this stat before, and it's probably up even higher, I don't know how they count it for the FedExCup, he'd won over 50% of the money that he possibly could win this year. Like if he'd teamed up and won every single event, he would obviously won 100% of the possible money. He won, he was like 51.9% going into this week of possible money. He could have made a few more things just to...

They should get Dyson vacuums to sponsor that. Or like Hoover, like who's hoovering up the most money here. I like that. He switched to the mallet just 15 starts ago and won eight times after that. His worst, so in all the events that he had positive strokes gained post switching to the mallet, he finished,

his worst finish was fourth and his second worst finish was second place and he won eight other times It's one of the most completely ridiculous runs of golf we've ever seen It becomes incredibly routine to watch by the end of it. It just feels none of it feels like a surprise He won the Arnold Palmer. He won the players. He won the Masters. He won the RBC won the memorial He won a gold medal and he won the tour championship. It's Was it four out of six of six of the signature events he won.

You know, he won the players, won the Olympics. I mean, it's just like, it's a joke, man. It's a joke. And on the money front real quick, two things. One, the tweet that Justin Ray sent out was spectacular. I think once you add all the bonuses and everything, he made almost like 830 grand per round this year on the PGA Tour that he played which is again We were not very far removed from winners on the PJ tour

Taking home checks worth about 800 grand or the leader like the the money leader for the whole year making like 1.8 million. Well, that's what I was gonna say is I my brain has still not caught up to I'm on this show every week Talking about money talking about changes in the pro game. And I still haven't like connected those two synapses in my brain where I'm still thinking about like, oh, yeah, you know, Luke Donald won the money list. What did he win like 3.6 3.8 million dollars? What a season man crazy. There were 39 guys on tour this year that made more than $4 million.

Prior to this week, prior to the foot, I'm sorry. Well, not not that doesn't include any bonus money. That's what I'm saying. Just on course after the last put drops at the tour championship, Adam had win number 39 made, made $4.03 million. That's that's wild, man. Colin Moore Cowan made 20 million this year without winning a tournament. He made. That's wild, man. Colin Morikawa made 20 million this year without winning a tournament. Corey Connors, number 41, $3.8 million.

It's not about the money, okay? We're about legacy, not leverage. It's not about the money. Fans are tired of listening to us talk about the money. Okay? Crazy. Scotty this week was of course first in stroke, gained off the tee, third in strokes, gained approach,

third in putting this week. That seems disrespectful. Like that, you're not supposed to be like one of the best putters, right? Stroke gain off the tee third and strokes gained approach third and putting this week that seems disrespectful like that You're not supposed to be like one of the best putters, right? I mean He was actually lost a lot of strokes around or lost a stroke around the green on average per round this week or in total That's I think shank might have had something to do with that one as well, but Completely ridiculous display golf would have been we'll get into some format stuff

He was second in in the actual tournament this week the four round tournament this week He would have finished second the shot behind more Kawa. I believe I don't know if we have a final leaderboard for that. I Couldn't figure out the best website to go find that one from but Incredible golf on top of an incredible season and like honestly like he kind of plays For for something that has all the money plays a little nervy in this tournament every year of what he's had several chances to win FedEx cups like this is the only thing that he hasn't been able to close out pretty much when he gets into a really good spot in his career. But finally gets it done. And it took him a little while to let out some emotions. But finally, as he was like walking into the clubhouse, let out one big,

one decent size scream. I think he's probably just exhausted. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we've been talking about it all year. I guess it's hard to kind of drum up, drum up even more. I mean,'ve been talking about it all year. I guess it's hard to kind of drum up drum up even more I mean, what was what was your guys favorite favorite victory? What was the one that's gonna stick with you the most you think? Non Masters division, right? I think we're is that fair to say Which even honestly like second Masters I feel like it's I go to the players Oh, yeah Sure, and that that was almost is gonna stick with me more than the Masters did this year

that fun around 63 was like it was Unbelievable the way he won the Masters and the gold medal were both just like man that it's it's it's just a different It's for whatever reason it hits a little different when you come from behind and run run people down and sprint through the finish Like some of his he's not the most, when he's got a big ass lead and he goes and wins, he's not the most exciting player to watch in that regard. But when he's chasing, it does get legitimately excited. And we've had several of those moments this year too.

He won a lot of different ways. Do we think he, like now that the tour championship money is like the purse for that tournament. Do we think the players get the 10 percent or the caddies get 10 percent? It's been a thing of contention between a fair amount of them in the past, of like not settling it properly, not agreeing on it, not talking about it. But just speculating here, I would guess caddies are it's a pretty straight up thing now at this point of like,

if you win the FedEx Cup, you get your 10%. So I think, I think, you know. I think Ted Scott. It's one of those guys in that four million range. I mean, so let's say it's so, so we're putting Scotty's total at what 61 for the year? 62 million, over 62 million. 62, so that, granted Ted's not getting like,

so I'm not sure what you do with the Comcast business. Right. Op 10 money. And then obviously- That doesn't count towards that 62, right? Yes, it does. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does.

Yeah, it does. Because it was 25. And then also, he's not getting 10% of non-wins. Right. So some of that money that he's making. But it's kind of tough to calculate. There weren't that many non-wins. I mean, even if we're putting them at five, that puts them at like number 20, 21 on the PJ Tour money list this year. I'm the most cartoonish PJ Tour money list of all time.

Ted Scott's probably like number, he's like top 25. It's wild. I mean, more money than Victor Hovland this year. Can Ted Scott buy out Yasser? Is that like is that the next move to this Teddy need to sit down with the officer and just come up with Iron out a deal or something. I don't know he might man Head head spinning stuff. Well, it's it's I we're spending a lot of time We're gonna get to all of all of this this tournament and everything that is around it And it's like it's worth spending some time on the ridiculousness of all this when we get to like the dud that this whole thing was.

Which like, you know, we'll go, I'll let TC go down on the leaderboard a little bit. We'll call it some other performances here and whatnot. But obviously we are going to talk about maybe potentially the thought that this event could improve or the championship could be decided in a different way. But I know that's pretty out there

in Lettuce Field thinking. There's no way this tournament could possibly improve. We'll listen to our fans and everything, but we're, we wouldn't actually change anything. Okay. Fed forward approach. Mora Kawa. You know, it feels a little funky. I don't know. I'm, this is where I'm so back and forth on this whole setup of like, are we supposed to just print off who should have finished second? Are we supposed to be like really impressed with the late season run that Colin Morikawa had to be second place in the FedEx Cup this year, right? Because if we, you know, just printed it off, had the data boys run the simulations, Xander would have finished second. I know you would have loved that TC, but the eye test wins out and Colin Morikawa finished

the second in the FedEx Cup. Mor cow had a great year though, also. Right, I mean, that's, I know that's kind of what you're getting at, but I think since the master- Yeah, very good year. I don't think you can call it a great year without winning. Yeah, fair, fair. A better year than it probably feels, I guess, is more- Or than the previous year.

Yes, definitely. And a lot of this is, you know, some of this is aided by limited fields and, you know, smaller fields and that kind of stuff. But since the Masters hadn't finished, its worst finish was last week, T28. Granted, that's only a 50 man field, but a top 25, every other start since the Masters since, you know,

inside of that is like, it was a lot different than last year. And a lot of those missed cuts and especially missed cuts and, you know, big stages that we saw last year in a lot of those miscuts, especially miscuts in big stages that we saw last year. It's funny, because Morikawa has actually improved his level, he has slowly eeked up in strokes game while giving some shots back and approach. His iron play has not been the ridiculous level

that it was to start his career, but he's gotten a lot better around the greens, he's gotten better at putting, and it's just wild how people talk about him now in terms of, he's his leveled up but he doesn't have the peak weeks nearly to the same extent he did when he came out and was winning a bunch, won two major championships but you know he's kind of turned into a mini-final of playing really really good golf without collecting trophies for just a short period of time there because we all know Big Tone won a bunch on the back end of that but you're on TCIC, ready to rebut.

I muted myself, I was sneezing. I would say a lil tone, if you will. Okay. Took the words out of my mouth. That would have hit way better if you didn't have yourself on mute. If you're watching this on YouTube, we have the adjusted score,

or the true score of the tournament. It would have been M cow at 22 under saw hit 21 Scotty at 20 Henley Russell Henley shot 17 under Adam Scott 16 under sung J 15 JT shot 14 under I'm not gonna go all the way down that but there's a lot of ifs there, right? I mean if if it was no starting strokes and if saw hit didn't get that two-shot penalty I mean, there's your, there's your winner. Which yes, if you missed any of that saw him on, on Saturday, um, took us, took a, a, a swing in the bunker. He, this ball landed on the upslope of bunker crawled up the bunker and then kind of came back towards that impact Mark.

And it was a little bit of raised sand, uh, behind his ball. He's hovering his club over the ball and on his backswing, he said he couldn't feel it, but he looked like he grazed some sand to his eye. On his way back, he alerted a rules official, got a chance to review it afterwards. They couldn't tell whether or not he hit it on the way back, but took the two-shot penalty because that's what his intuition was telling him that he needed to do. He got a lot of circulation on that on the social media. Of course, finished two shots back of Colin Boracawa without that he in theory would have tied Boracawa they would have split both had

won 10 million dollars instead Sahith only won seven and a half million dollars this week but obviously butterfly effect if who knows how the rest of the tournament really would have played out for Sahith if he doesn't take the the two-shot penalty. Good on Sahith. Of course. It's the goat. This is a very pro Sahith house. It was Murley's birthday this week. He's his father. Sahith pinned his ears back on a course where you can kind of bomb it a little bit. He's just love watching the guy play golf. I want to see more of it. He's on the president's cup team and I want to see him winning multiple times a year and attending majors. Golf's better when saw his surround. I feel the same way about speed. They're birds of a feather. But props to him for doing the right

thing even though it was just like, hey, I think this happened and kind of raised his hand and you can juxtapose that with other people in the game that have behaved differently when everybody saw something happen and you know. In a bunker? Or in a play? Bunker, embedded ball, palm tree, all sorts of stuff. Allegedly. It's a true who could say, right?

Do you, do you either you want to apologize for any saw-hift takes? No? You guys don't, you don't want to apologize for saying he stinks or might stink? No. I say he had a good week. That's like the whole deal.

Yeah, all my favorite players think. It's like his entire brand. Yeah, exactly. I would be very careful with this, with the the smartness on that one, Sali. Well, I'll remember that next time we see a snap hook, you know, snap hook some T-shot into the Everglades or something. It was like the whole thing with Spieth. He might be like a generational talent and he also stinks at the same time.

Yeah, the two best bad players in the history of the world. Also, if any of these tour dads had any sense of humor, I think they would start playing like the live card. You know, like, oh, you're of course, you're going to wish Merly a happy birthday, but you're not going to wish me a happy birthday. It was my dad's birthday yesterday. Tour the tour tweeted zero times about it. Adam Long's dad's a pilot for American Airlines. Wishing him a happy National Pilots day. You know, JT's dad out there, wish him, I don't know when his birthday is.

Give him a little love. They're not the needle. JT's dad's certainly out there. Murley's the needle, all right? Come on, this isn't even up for debate, all right? It's like, why do they still, why do they keep showing all of Tiger shots, man? I don't get it.

They don't show any of my shots. I'm 15 shots off the lead. Russell Henley chipped in on 18 for Eagle to get to 19 under par He stole some money out of Adam Scott and Xander Shoffley's pockets and those guys are doing just fine But really another really freaking good season for Russell Henley a guy that nobody really ever talks about but just continues Julia maybe the only memorable moment he had all season long and he finishes fourth the FedEx Cup it's remarkable how consistent that guy is and Probably talking about him as a President's Cup player here in a couple days. I would have to imagine

I think he's got to be a shoe in right You think so yeah But he I mean he's been kind of this same guy in the past and he's never really even been listed on top snubs for not Making these teams right? It's not like it's been a drastic leap for him. He's always kind of been this dude. And I don't know why myself included, why we don't talk about this guy more often, but. To be fair to Henley too, I mean, he finished T7

at the US Open, solo fifth at the Open Championship. And then a couple other like, I think solo fourths or solo fifths throughout, like within, within you know early on played well in Florida I'm not downplaying how well he played. I'm just saying it ends up being not memorable like it's it's it's incredible golf Like he is a remarkably consistent I would have to skip past his name when looking all the Ryder Cup stuff last year of like yeah I mean obviously his strokes gains incredible But I don't I don't really know why but I'm throwing out Henley like obviously not going to pick him, but I don't know if they can avoid it.

This go around because there's the bottom has kind of fallen off the U S team. And it's really, really tough to go past his name. He's seventh or eighth in the standings, I think. Yeah. It's kind of like picking a, who's the guy from the Celtics that they picked for the, for the team this year on the, the, uh, USA basketball, Derek White. You pick a guy that, all right, I think anybody can probably play with Russell Henley. He hits his high ends extremely well. He seems like a pretty malleable character. I feel like maybe this puts it in perspective looking at his like career here. He's never finished outside the top 100 in the FedEx Cup

in his entire career, which now this would be like the 12th time, I think that that streak spans like the start of the wraparound season and the end of the wraparound season, like that entire concept came and went. And he's still, you know, he's still never finished out. We have one. Yeah, it's a whole deal. He's kind of done it all.'s still never finished. Outlived him, finished him. Yeah. Whole deal. He's kind of done it all. Whatever you, whatever you want to put in front of him.

And again, going back to some of those, those, yeah. Just astronomical numbers. I mean, going back to, you know, 2016, 17, he made $3.4 million and finished 13th in the FedEx Cup, which I think I'd have to look now what that would be, but. How about 15th. Probably. Thank you, Phil.

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and schedule a fitting near you. Let's talk a little about the reno and then let's talk about how our annual both before tour championship and after tour championship of trying to fix the end of the FedExCup season. Obviously a brand new golf course, entirely different look to Eastlake, Andrew Green. Redo, TC, what's your reaction, what we saw out of it this week? Yeah, I was really, really excited.

I think Andrew Green did an exceptional job. I was excited when I fired up the Creator Classic. I thought the 17th hole in particular used to be one of the more bland holes. I think they've made that. I think if they actually moved the tee up a little bit more and kind of created a little bit more risk reward there. I think eight could be improved a little bit. It feels like you can just kind of bang it into that bunker.

Although Scotty kind of disproved that, I guess. But I think overall, it's still... He did the best... I would give him an A minus. I don't think there's quite enough slope on some of the greens, like a lot of flat putts out there, but I would give him probably an A minus for what he did. I think two things can be true. I think it's still a bad venue. I think it's lipstick on a pig. It's not an interesting routing. I think it's insulting to Bob Jones and Donald Ross to call this exceptional historic golf course, which I don't know. It just feels like revisionist history. Jay can talk about the East Lake Miracle and all that. That's going to be true whether or not this tournament is there or not. All the houses in the neighborhood are a million plus now.

It's very much like, hey, you guys did a good thing with East Lake, Tom Cousins, Tim Fincham, First T, all that stuff. Let's move the product forward now and get it out of there. Because I think it's an exceptionally bland club and golf course in place. And that's coming from an Atlanta native. I wonder if we would feel, I agree with like, yeah, look, I have no specific bones to pick. I kind of agree with what you've said there. I would like, you know, a little bit more, you know, be a little more penal in some spots of like, all right, dude, if you're missing in this bunker, like make somebody actually pay here, which it wasn't really quite fully on display,

but I couldn't drop anything else much better in terms of the green contouring, the shapes and everything, maybe a little too easy to putt from off the greens and whatnot, but really firm greens, like that added a layer of intrigue, but it just comes down to like, dude, I don't know how you get around the fact that you're gonna play this in August in September and

it's gonna be like this spongy thick ass Bermuda and the ball is gonna find the bottom in the rough and It would just be like a way more interesting course probably in like late October or November with a little bit more elements in there and it but that's just The nature of the beast with a lot of things and we're gonna get ready to talk about here in a little bit But I'm glad they did what they did. I was hoping it would have a bigger impact on my viewing and the enjoyment of the tournament than it did. Part of that might just be exhaustion

at this point in the season and kind of just being ready for the season to be over with, which not the strongest endorsement for a golf season, if that's the case, how I feel at the finale. Yeah, I totally wanna separate out what I said with like, listen, that's how I feel at the finale. Yeah. I totally want to separate out what I said with like, listen, like that's how I feel about Eastlake still, but I think it's like 300% better than it was prior. And it seems like they put on a great tournament. Everybody in Atlanta is excited about it.

I'm just talking about how it relates like, it's like micro success versus macro success. And this thing doesn't really seem to move the needle outside of the people who attended in Atlanta and the corporate sponsors. Yeah, I don't have a lot to add on what you guys are saying other than it is a weird, it's a weird thing to me. And I know we keep kind of false starting here into this conversation, but it's like, it's a weird thing to me that to build the entire PJ tour business model around this giant cash redistribution for the best players in the world, right?

Which again is totally okay that that's what the FedEx Cup is, is we're trying to give a shitload of money away at the end of the season to the best players for tax reasons we can't just write them a check for. And I think what does not make any sense to me and will never make sense to me is this idea

that you're gonna do that and you're gonna make this the cherry on the Sunday and the thing that everything is leading to and it's probably the 20th most memorable course on the PGA Tour. I've probably been there, I've probably walked Eastlake 30 times and I struggle to remember half the holes still. And that's where I'm with you guys and And I'm like, man, invest it's, it's awesome that they're investing in it.

Clearly like blowing up your course and totally redoing it is no small thing at all. And it seems like Andrew Green did an awesome job and watching it on TV. I was like, man, that looks like somewhere I'd wanna play. Like for the first time in a decade, I was like, that actually looks, it actually looks really fun,

but it's not a one or a zero, right? It's like that's just because you cleared that bar doesn't mean it would be better than going to Pebble Beach in September, right? That's where I think we were talking about it on Slack a lot today where I think this tournament is like, all of it is like, yeah, like each individual component is like technically passable, right?

Like, yeah, it's like technically fine. And like the sponsors are technically happy and the fans like technically like like it, you know, and the course is technically better than it was. But I'm like, yeah, I just if there's no reason why you can't like still strive for something better than that, if that's supposed to be your Super Bowl. And if you're if the PGA Tour is fine with this being you know what it is and being kind of a everybody's exhausted and we're just pushing the bobsled across the finish line at the end of the year and you know hopefully the best player takes home a shitload of money like if they're cool with that then Bravo like it seems like everything's it's a well

run tournament like you said and people show out for it. And you know, it, it, it does fine. But like, man, just, I don't know, I keep coming back to the tour and Jay, and all these press conferences and SSG and all of this just like, trying to clearly build towards being a bigger entertainment product, and having everybody leave the Super Bowl and like, look at the fucking comments today. Just be like, Yeah, that sucked. I didn't watch any of it. That was miserable. I'm so bored. Like I can't, I can't square those two things in my head without thinking that it is just the PGA tour trying to force feed history and just like treating people like they're stupid. And if we just keep doing it, like people will eventually come around on this thing. No, but what you don't understand is how much money we're bringing in still. Like that, that's always what it comes down to. Like just, Coca-Cola is an Atlanta company. Yeah.

Push text, push just text me that. Let's, let's get, let's get this in now. I mean, we're going to go a lot of different ways here, but I wanted to do this and I'm kind of picturing this as, you know, you're going to have to describe this in two sentences. We're going to have you fix the playoffs or the torch ham chip However, you want to call it only in two sentences. You can't say match play That's that's not allowed and I want this to be like within a relatively like simple box, right?

I want this to be in terms of like something that's realistic, right? You can't be we're gonna go play it abandoned. We're gonna play it at Pine Valley, right? You guys know that the deal on like what's a realistic suggestion here. So Dej, I'm gonna throw it to you. You got two sentences to fix this product, whatever it is, give it to me. We'll talk about our options in the back end, but I need you to summarize in two sentences.

The big caveat was you're not allowed to say the words match play. Correct. Is that correct still? In that case, I only need one sentence. Move it to Pebble Beach. Like truly, that is like Pebble Beach. Real quick, from a realistic perspective,

from a tax perspective, can you go move the big money, hey, we're trying to distribute $100 million here. Do they wanna do that in California? There's a, Georgia has a what a what Georgia state income tax, right? 4% or say for 5.49%. I feel like there's some loophole there where the FedEx Cup season long bonus doesn't have to be distributed through California or something though, right? Like I'm sure you can get around that. Yeah.

Well, you would classify it as like, Hey, hey, this is for your season, not for this, but then this is technically coming from to get their closet. 100 PJ tour Boulevard. But I think that's it. I mean, Pebble Beach, I've said this like back when we were at Pebble Beach is that golf course is more famous than any of the players in this field

by far. That is a place where you tune in to watch the golf course. And even if it turns into a stinker, you don't care because you still want to watch them play 17 and 18. I just, I feel like it would be in prime time. It would be the weather would be money. I just feel like there is the fact that in 2024, we're going to Pebble Beach in February and Atlanta in August is like that kind of says it all to me. I'm just like, yeah, this is just a bunch of barnacles and duct tape leftover from fucking

60 years of this dripping plumbing system. And it's just like, blow it the fuck up and be serious for five minutes here. What are we doing, man? You had a great analogy earlier. You said it's like, what did you say? It's like hosting a top chef season finale at the Capitol Grill. Yeah. And it's like doing brunch, not even doing dinner. Like we're going to have it the wrong time of the day or the wrong time of the year. Yeah. Food's great food's great, you know, it's fine. Like technically, I'm sure corporate partners would be great. Get a bunch of restaurants.

Yeah, exactly. Get a bunch of, yeah, I don't know. It just, I think where I come back to like the tour force feeding stuff is, so let's take another example of the players championship because I think the tour has, I honestly think that's like a successful example of the tour force feeding it, right that's like a successful example of the tour

force feeding it, right? Where even since we started doing this podcast or you guys even before me starting to do this podcast, the profile of the players has raised like pretty astronomically, I think. And that's just by doing the same thing over and over and leaning into what the identity is, which is the golf course, you know, used to be the best field. It's pre-lived, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. But even still, it's like, it's, I mean, go back to what I just said, Scottie Scheffler just had a historic season. What do I remember most about it? Honestly,

is him coming down the stretch playing 15, 16, 17, 18, and shooting 63 at TPC Sawgrass. Like, that was awesome. And it just feels like they're trying to run the same playbook with a deeply forgettable golf course. And that's where it's like no matter what happens at Sawgrass, like I remember the Webb Simpson year or the Jason Day year or wherever when it's like, oh my God, this thing is such a fucking snooze. At least they still got to play 16, 17, 18. Like at least that's coming up. Like who knows? And at East Lake it's again, I'm like, dude, I don't even know what any of these holes are. I know there's the Island Green. I know there's the par five. I know you, like you said, 17 technically got better, but it's like, go to, if you're

going to make this a serious championship, like golf is about golf courses. Go to a serious golf course that has real history. Don't just be like, Oh, this year the messaging is history, which is what it seems like they did today. And I feel bad for NBC and Toreco and all those guys because like they almost had to, it seemed like they almost had to pivot this year and it just like, you know, we haven't really mentioned it over the last 15 years, but this place super historic. This is a

huge, this place is a huge deal in the game of golf, huge deal. And it's like, dude, I'm not, I'm just not buying it guys. I'm sorry. I wish you guys were over. My brother-in-law was here this weekend and we were, I flipped it on on Friday and we're just kind of watching the golf and he just kept asking like slowly asking questions about the tour championship. And it was kind of like, he was kind of afraid, like just tiptoeing around it of like, you got like building up to it, like almost kind of like, like, so this is, this is like the season ending. This is the championship right here. And just like kind of like building towards like, shouldn't this like be a way bigger deal? It's supposed to be a BD.

Yeah. It's kind of like, no, let me, let me explain it to you here. And like he started with a 10 shot lead or a two shot lead ball. He's like, Oh, really? Huh? That's interesting. Uh, TC, what is your two sentences or less? Can't say match play. How do you fix the twitch? Yeah, so I was just like, straight up, I was just gonna say like, stop calling it the playoffs. That sentence.

And then move, like move the venue around. But then this guy on Twitter reached out with a DM with this sick idea, okay? And it's not quite Mulligan's, but you know, I'm just gonna do a run on sentence here, okay? No, this is you. I was gonna threaten to mute you after you went past two sentences here on this.

Well, that was my idea, but this is his idea, okay? Okay, well, I didn't ask for that, yeah. Basically, like, that was my idea, but this is his idea. Okay. I didn't ask for that. Basically, like Scotty can play, like you let Scotty play from like the forward tease. They start on the same score, but Scotty gets to play from like a set of tees up or two sets of tees up. And then the guys that play, like it's, it's, it's that on C like we're on that level. Anyway, is that on the serious? We might as well like get something for it and make it a thought exercise or a fun application of like, all right, like, you know,

all these guys are playing the ninth hole, the par three at 235 yards. Scottie's playing at 187 today. That's crazy. I took this even more literally than maybe either of you did in terms of like what I truly think is possible for them to change, right? Like DJ, what I love at the tour,

Jamie, did you went to the Pebble Beach? Of course, like that makes perfect sense. Do I think we're like, do I think that's pending? No. Please tell me why that is like putting a man on Mars. Why is that? I don't think so. They've reinvented everything over the last three years. Why can't they like oh, no, our hands are tied We couldn't we already go to that golf course. We could not go to Memphis sometimes twice in one year

But we just couldn't possibly go there with the weather's perfect. I'm not saying you're wrong I just don't see that as a possible solution here, right? We're on the same page with this one. Okay, and these are bleaker than I... They're very bleak, they're very bleak, but within the bleakness, starting my two senses here, two tournaments at once, stroke play, normal tournament, and the staggered scoring to solve the FedEx Cup, right? I mean, I get the staggered scoring was supposed to solve the confusion around who wins the FedEx Cup,

but like, I don't see why you can't have both of them going at the same time. There'd been a great finish to the golf tournament today, and almost like who wins the FedEx Cup. But like, I don't see why you can't have both of them going at the same time. Like, there would've been a great finish to the golf tournament today. And almost like who wins the FedEx Cup becomes secondary a little bit, but like you're doubling your chance at something exciting happening here.

This has been the worst iteration of this tournament, right? So like they're kind of waiting for one of these stinkers to happen. Like at least- Wasn't that already the deal? Like didn't they already kind of do that? But it was points confusing. But that was confusing.

The points part was confusing, right? At least you're like, now you have two leaderboards that are very easy to understand. Like, all right, the season long would have been settled. The strokes are still arbitrary though. It is, but like giveaway, that's a money giveaway. People care about, if you're gonna insist on doing a 72-hole stroke play tournament,

like do that at least, right? Don't like do a 72-hole stroke play tournament, like do that at least, right? Don't like do a 72-hole stroke play tournament with like less chance of it being exciting at the end. Like that's the one thing we kind of live for out of this format is like usually the tournaments are pretty exciting at the end. I cannot tell you how much I didn't want to ride with TC's Scotty play the forward T's idea,

but that's how much I don't need another leaderboard at this tournament. That's better than this. Like, do you think how much I don't need another leaderboard at this point. I just heard of it. That's better than this. Like, do you think, so I ran a quick informal poll on Twitter, 84% of people said this format was not working for them, right? Common conclusion from that would be like, hey, we should probably revisit

a different formula with this. Now, are they gonna move off four rounds of stroke? Like they've made it abundantly clear that they're not gonna do match play, right? Which I think anybody out there would agree would be a better way to solve the championship, right? So like, if you- All right, let me present this idea.

If you'll lift your match play embargo for one second here. Again, I'm gonna go back to the core of this thing, which is we just need to redistribute some cash, right? The fans are never gonna find that exciting. We've proven that over and over and over. So if, I think Scottie's right to get pissed off at like, man, I clearly had the best season here. What are we doing?

Please just like give me the cash. Why don't we just pause on that? He got 8 million for that, for the concuss. Glad you said that's where DJ is going. Yes. Flip those two. Take all this FedEx cut money, all the $100 million we just gave out for the quote unquote playoffs, make that the season long race.

At the Wyndham, maybe there's a chance for, oh man, these guys are actually close one and two and maybe that makes Scotty go play or Xander, Wyndham Clark or whoever, go play the Wyndham to, I tripped myself up saying Wyndham there twice. I thought I was having a stroke. Maybe that makes him go play like that golf tournament in order to move up his ranking. And then whoever is number one in the standings after that gets the 25 million and so on, it waterfalls down.

Then you take the $40 million, which again, you think most golf fans realize they're giving out $40 million just for whoever's like the top of this points list at the end of the regular season. Take that and just put that into your like fuck around and have fun in the playoffs fund. I think what you could do is you take, you call it the top 128 guys, make the playoffs. They go into a one to 128 bracket.

I think you lift the BMW championship out because I think that is the most serious of the playoff events. Like that is an actual golf tournament that goes to actual golf courses. Make that a signature event elsewhere in the, maybe that's the last signature event before the playoffs or whatever.

And then you have, even honestly, even if you want to keep it at Memphis and East Lake, which I don't think you should, but even if you do, those are your two sites for this giant match play bracket. Now, sorry, what you're going to say is they don't like that for TV. There's too much dead time. This is where I'm going to lend an olive branch to all of my homies at the Creator Classic. If this is the kind of stuff that you want to do, you want to get these people out on the golf course. You want to get new audiences audiences into the game Put those guys out there for a whole separate fucking golf tournament I don't care like put them out

You know if Scotty and Xander are in the final of the golf tournament the American Century Championship at the At tour championship. Yeah, all the youtubers out there in the morning Let let the people in the corporate boxes fought watch them get more golfers out on the course get some celebrities The Ryder Cup does the celebrity Ryder Cup on Wednesday or Thursday, whatever, you know, and they've got Michael Phelps and whoever out there like plan, get stuff like that going on away from the golf tournament. And then you can actually do the real, you know, PJ Tour event the way you want to do it. And I think that would be that's that's my case. I thought about that long and hard today. I think you build all the upside into the regular season. You reflect that properly and

you reward those people properly. And then you have a true playoff with a big giant match play bracket and you fill in all the dead time with just mess around, grow the game, have fun stuff. Yeah. Part of it too is there's such a disconnect between, oh my God, we want this big television audience at the end of the season. All right, cool. A, if you want that, why don't you have this on Monday, on Labor Day Monday when there's nothing going on, there's nothing on TV, that sort of thing. And then B, just invest in the rest of the regular season.

Make the big tournaments bigger. And I know that's what they're trying to do, but that's where the meat is. That's where the value for the television partners is, in this thing that you're trying to bolt on to the end. It's in February during Pebble, or it's in March during Bay Hill, or Players, or all these things. And it's like, man, like just consolidate the season and make it better, which I know they're trying to do anyway, but I don't know, the whole tour championship thing just seems like an answer to a question that nobody's really asking to be in with.

Even Scotty, he's like, hey, I played the best golf this year. You guys just give me the fucking money? I think their obsession, I think you can have like, they don't want to give up these tournaments, right? Like that, that's obviously a very clear thing for them that they want four rounds of stroke play with people in them, right? Like that's seemed like a non-negotiable.

I don't know why you have to use that to solve the championship, right? Like there's obviously money available here. Do a FedEx tournament or Matt match, like even from this, you went straight into a final four, a final six, a final eight, whatever it is, you can use that final event to cut down to when you're gonna go to the match play

and make the match play made for TV. Pause the golf when you go to commercial in that and then you don't have to, you know, like make it a true made for TV event. Tack that onto the end. That can run during this week. Like you don't, if you don't have to you know like make it a true made for tv event tack that on to the end that can run during this week like you don't if you don't want to go up against next sunday's nfl slate like you can own the evenings you go that on the west coast you can do that in so many different ways like actually do a championship that would be more interesting way of crowning some than this is right but again they're not going to give up like the stroke play

part of it that part is clear but like that doesn't mean you can't tack on. But basically make that the finale to the regular season. Totally. Have the finale of the regular season in Memphis. Make that like, I don't think anybody would bat an eye. Cool. The FedEx St. Jude Classic is the last term of the season. That's the tour championship. And then you do a two or three event thing that ladders up to this match play thing or this in cool spots, different spots, and you make it a made for TV thing. There weren't that many people out there at the end today anyway. Do you think they run back the staggered start next year?

I do because I think as long as you're going to keep force-feeding this idea and trying to make it fair and trying to make every single person happy, I truly think that's the best idea. And that's why I think it's just a flawed practice. Yeah. I think if you go back to Jay's presser, where he gets asked, when the 2025 schedule came out, it looked pretty similar to the 2024 schedule, structurally after a couple of years of big time changes.

Should we expect that to remain pretty stable? Is this what the PGA tour is going to look like in 26, 27, et cetera? His last sentence was, for fans, I would expect to see what you have in 25 largely in a go forward basis, but we're always open to improving if there's opportunities to improve. Fuck you, man. Truly. I mean, there's clearly opportunities to improve. The fans truly do not matter at all.

They're the last, hey, this thing's fully sponsored. We have Coca-Cola and Southern Company who are all about this. They're based in Atlanta and they want to sponsor this thing. That's what success looks like to them. And they're losing sight of the bigger picture of like, hey, how do we improve the larger PGA Tour season or make this entire schedule, this entire ecosystem more coherent? It's like, nope, you know what? We have a couple of great sponsors and we're locked into Atlanta and we're not going to think about anything besides that because we are being successful within this little box that we have created for ourselves.

But thankfully the playoff ratings are doing great. They're only down 20% for BMW last week. And I'm sure this week's gonna be record setting, but we're not counting the app. We are not counting the viewers and listeners on the app. And the NFTs, sorry. That's of course coming. TC, I'm gonna throw this over to you. I want you to talk to us a little bit about Summer Festival and some launch conditions you guys had out there.

Yeah, oh gosh, we had our big Summer Festival event out at Colorado Golf Club last Monday. What a course, by the way. Holy crap. It was awesome. Core Crenshaw, I think Banded Trails is probably one of my favorite Core Crenshaw courses I've ever played on the side of Sand Hills. And I think I like Colorado Golf Club more than Trails. And we got out there after the BMW, it was, we're at elevation. We were about, I think, 5,700 yards there. And so getting dialed in with the elevation, with the altitude, it was about 10%, 10 to 12%, and got dialed in with the foresight launch monitor on the range that morning. And I was, A, I was hitting the ball really, really poorly with all of my clubs except for my driver, but I got my driver dialed and then it started getting better down through the bag.

The biggest thing that I've noticed out there is the four and the five iron, they go the same distance for me out there because it's all loft. If you're getting the ball, the ball doesn't really spin as much and you're getting it up, but the foresight gives you the spin numbers. You don't really have to calibrate it to the altitude. It's just giving you the baseline of like, hey, here's what the ball is doing here. And then you can basically draw, all right, well, that shot at sea level, that's what that's going out here. You can kind of bring it back down and tether it back to something that you know is there. So really, really interesting to like, I could have sat there on the range all day and just like hit shots watching Ben get his numbers

dialed in, uh, was crazy. I mean, he's, you know, he's got a pretty good launch angle and everything and in the balls probably going 14% farther for him. So marrying that stuff up. I don't know. I was struggling it out to see last week, especially after Roger. Roger Steele just absolutely put me in a body bag. There's three things that set foresight sports apart. Accuracy, it's robot tested, tour validated data, ease of use. You push a button in 30 seconds, you're looking at a screen with your numbers. There's no calibration needed, no apps required. It's remarkable. It's durable. It's got a rugged industrial design right now us customers can go to foresight sports.com slash no laying up use promo code nlu at

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having feedback after each shot, right? I mean, otherwise, I have spent years and years and years just being like, Oh, I don't know. I think that one was like, I once seemed a little lower years and years just being like, oh, I don't know. I think that one was like, that one seemed a little lower. That one seemed a little spinny. I don't know. I think that one flew about what I, like just having the actual numbers right there

is the best way, especially if you're making swing changes, you're trying to get stuff dialed. You gotta have some reflective data, you know? As much as I love the eye test, it's nice to have tools. Wrapping up anything else from this past week TCF a Xander TIO thing that you want to get in here Yeah, I mean it was just he got TIO and he got to move it. He missed left on 14 I think Cody's the graphic here. Look how far left that is. It's crazy and he gets to move it. I Think it was 62 yards

And he gets to move it, I think it was 62 yards to the right. And then he gets it on the green. And I think it was kind of a ball, don't lie situation. And he missed, missed a birdie putt there, but it's just, it's just unserious, man. Like if you're going to hit it there, like, why would you ever miss to the right on this hole ever just, just blowing up the left and you get a, you know, a free shot at the green from 289 yards away. It's crazy. You know how much money they're making from that hospitality there? I'm so over the TIO.

Anything else? I got a positive hamster dam, I think, is the new drone. The way the NBC is using the drone tracer and just using drones in general for balls in flight is Really really good. It's actually shown some side angles side views of like whether or not balls are gonna You know where they're apexing like Scottie's ball and fit shot on 15 today from the side view was pretty interesting and how they're it's pretty hard to navigate like three different views like basically the swing then getting a you know up in the air with a drone with a tracer on it

and getting the ball landing, and they're doing that really well. It's been a strong addition instead of just ground cam pro tracers on repeats. That's a really added, I know there's been a couple different versions of blimp tracer, drone tracer, all this stuff over the years, but this seems to be honestly the best use.

And kind of surprised it's coming out this late in the season for them as golf season's wrapping up here, but that was a positive addition. Yes debuted it right CBS did it I know live has done a version of it as well but I I didn't think the CBS version was particularly additive like they you know, it's kind of more of a I'm flexing just cuz I can do this and it wasn't really showing off that much of a different view But this was I don't know this really seemed to bike add a layer to a lot of the shots So, you know, you know it to a lot of the shots.

You know it takes a lot for me to dig deep and give a positive Amsterdam shout out. Well, we would be extremely unironically remiss if we did not mention the entire back nine was commercial free as well. So for the number one, I think, complaint on all of our, if we were single item voters, single issue voters, I think it's pretty much commercials in golf telecasts. And the tour and the sponsors of the tour championship worked to get the

whole back nine commercial free. Now, granted, was it one of the more boring back nines of the season? Certainly. But they, you know, that's some tough luck there, but nonetheless, they were doing it. So that is worth shouting out and much appreciated. And now it sounds like, I mean, sorry, they may make an entire broadcast out of your own tracer shots. For you, it sounds like they're really listening to what the fans are asking. Nowhere in Jay's presser did he say anything about commercials, but he said, I were going to do this whole bells and whistles broadcast on Thursday, on Thursday versus Friday, doing a Friday compared to Thursday's traditional broadcast, which

yeah, and then and then he was leaning all into cut cam, which is really interesting considering they did away with cuts and like their well, most important events of the year, which is super cool too. But I guess that's where the juice is on Friday afternoons when guys are trying to make the cut. But you know, like this guy is such a buffoon. I might have to check your math on 12 events, not the 12 biggest events that have any cuts. How many signature events are there? Eight, 10, 12? I don't even know. A lot of them have cuts. I can't even keep track of it. Three of them have cuts, I think. Six. Sorry. Whatever. I'm so tired of Jay. I feel like we're being

held hostage. And it's just, you know, I have Stockholm syndrome. The guy is he's just ruining my enjoyment of golf. So my enjoyment of PGA Tour golf, I really enjoyed the Curtis Cup this weekend, which we'll talk about. Jordan Spieth announced that he had successful wrist surgery, so hopefully we'll see him as of January, but had the procedure done and feels like it addressed what he needed to address and we'll have no issues with the wrist going forward. So that is a positive development bummer. We knew that was coming, but that is official as of this past week. TC, you have three lasting, so we're coming back to Jay's Press.

Do you have three lasting themes from Jay's Press or is that what you wanted to do? Yeah, I've already gone through some of them. I just wanted to make sure we covered off on Jay and just like, again, we're four or five years into this thing. I bet he goes to Steamboat for the next two weeks. Now the tour's off until whatever the Napa event is called. He's going to go rip some lips out of

Catamount and get off the grid for a couple weeks probably. So it's just like all of a sudden is like he's bribed the current guys and said, hey, I'm you know, hey, you guys don't have any power said, hey, I'm, you know, A, you guys don't have any power. And then B, like, you know, try and try and fire me. You can't. Crazy. So SSG, we need you guys come in here. I know you're, I know Jay's one of your, your henchmen, but come in here and rock the boat a little bit.

This fall, we need it badly. John Rom has issued a statement in reply to, not issued a statement, I guess made a comment or whatever. Jaime Diaz on Golf Digest wrote that he spoke with a veteran tour pro who said, I'm 100% positive that if John could give the money back to the Saudis and come back to the tour, he couldn't write the check fast enough. Now there's only four times a year when he's playing that anybody is remotely interested. Rom said there's zero validity to any of what's said. I don't know where it came from I don't know why they feel the need to say that some of us are unhappy when we're not

It's one of the things that frustrates me a little bit the fact that they can claim that there's a source and there's zero truth to it which they is is Jaime Diaz in this case right? I'm a Diaz is like one of the greatest golf journalists of all time who I would I would I mean Diaz is like one of the greatest golf journalists of all time. I would, I would put him up there against most. Right. And he's reporting that a veteran tour pro said that, right? So it is anonymous. I think that's a problem. I think it was a veteran tour insider. I don't think it was a tour pro. Okay. Which is pretty, pretty vague. Yeah. So I think it's, it's rife to be, it's very expected that would get picked at, right. I'm not picking on Jaime in that. It's just to say,

I'm also just saying I don't think Jaime says that unless he's heard it from multiple people and it's it's a consensus opinion. Which like on that, though, like I didn't really jump on this as much as I am very guilty of jumping on any related stuff like this. I didn't really jump on this because I don't know if like I could technically say I don't really believe that Ram regrets what he did. I think he knew exactly what he's doing and decided the money was worth it. Right. There could not have been any surprises with what his live golf experience has been. Do I think he's like truly happy and like would rather be doing what he's doing? No, he'd rather have the money. Like I don't think he would give up all the hundreds of millions of dollars just to come back. Now he made a decision to sell his soul for the money. Like that's pretty clear here. I do not think he would write a check to get out of it right now. That's the part that I never really felt like was accurate in this. I don't know.

Just kind of really projecting on him. He first popped from two months earlier, three months earlier with the stuff that he said, I think. I don't know. I'd push back a little bit there of. You know, kind of the, the, the gist or the meat of Jaime's story was like, yeah, I think he's completely underestimated or, or misunderstood. Everything that this would do to him from a competitive standpoint. And also I think from a, from Rom's perspective as well,

like I think Rom thought it would bring everybody back together. Like he overestimated his own importance. That I believe, that I believe. But I also, to the first part I'm like, how could you miss miscalculated that? Like that's the, I'm a smart guy. Like I have a lot of respect for Rom.

I think he's not an idiot in this. And just don't think like especially this late in it. I think some of the guys that jumped initially and we know of Brooks has told multiple people like that he has regrets about doing this. I believe more than like Ron making a very calculated decision taking this money. I've just struggled to wrap my head around there have been any surprises aside from what you said about bringing people back together. Like I think he truly believed that that was gonna be a catalyst and that has proven to not be the case. But that's the whole thing of like,

he's disappointed that it's not all back together. Yeah. Right? That he's languishing out there on live now. Like he could be, all right, he's glad he took the money. He would do it again, but he just, you know, just kind of misinterpreted what the strategy was or how quickly it would come back together and based on Jay, you know, Jay's, you know,

nobody's put a deadline on it, right, Solly? Why would you ever think that they would be back together? It's complicated, a very complex thing. Yeah, we're not gonna negotiate in public or anything like that, you know? Just have some patience, guys. Just sit there and wait. All right? Just calm the fuck down. All right? We're doing this. We're going to take care of it. It's only been three years so far. We're going to get this taken care of. We're like five years into this whole process.

That's the whole thing. They've had a blank slate. We just had that whole tour championship conversation. They had a free role to completely reimagine the PGA tour over the last four years. And this is where we are. It's crazy. Any additions, Spider-Man? Membership should be appalled. No. Embarrassed. Fucking world so fucked up.

A couple questions. We got, we're getting to some presidents cup and Curtis cup, all that stuff. G underscore P and W over under seven wins for Scotty in 2025 and over under one major. Hmm. I'm gonna- Can I, can I adjust his to six and a half wins? I think seven.

I hate when people do that. That makes it so much better. It needs to be a half. No, it needs to be a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Six and a half is a better line. I am going to, I'm gonna take that under.

As nobody's written harder for Scotty than me, I still think five wins would be a like unbelievable dub. I don't know if we're gonna see another season quite like this. There's not a lot of eight win, seven win seasons out there for the last 15 years. Especially these guys are playing less. It is five and a half a better number. That makes you.

Five and a half would make you think a little more. I think he's gonna win five times. I think five times in a major. That sounds right. Sign up for it right now. I would go. Still so many. I would go over four and a half under five and a half

probably on that. And major is one and a half the number for majors. And I mean, you get some plus odds for going over that one and pay minus probably at this point for under it. But that's probably where it shakes out for next year. And then you look at, you know, you look at Quail Hollow for a major venue, which I think

it's going to produce an exceptional leaderboard and like guys, I think Quail Hollow is like a good venue. Like I don't, you know, I don't, I'm just tired of like separating out. I'm tired of seeing Quail Hollow with, I think it's a pretty good major venue. I don't think it's a great, great golf course, but I think it identifies a good winner. How could we can't move around to Pebble Beach, but we can go to Quill Hollow any month of the year? The doors are always open there. We can always go there. I'm not gonna buy that Pebble's off the table. I mean Oakmont is gonna win by 30 right? What's their police situation like there? That's true. That's a new course though.

That's a new course for Scotty. It's a different twist. Port Rush. So was this though, right? Yeah, exactly. I think you'd be disrespectful to just this season, like the historic season that we had this year to keep going over. I agree.

We need to still level set things for next year. He's got Ludwig's coming. See the ribs playing nice on that note. Sammy underscore B 95. How do we feel about Rory's season and the future? I feel better at this point than I did at this point last year with Rory. I feel like he showed a lot more than we've seen from him in recent years, at least as far as the majors and hitting certain shots. I mean, dude, we were out at Castle Pines last week and he was hitting outrageous like little stinger drivers that like, dude, I didn't even know you had that shot. Right. So yeah, I don't know. I'm

in on who knows about his psyche or whatever, but I think as far as his like hard skills, as far as his golf game, I think he's probably a better player than he's ever been. Yeah. I think everybody else is too though, which is totally, you know, that's where I keep coming back to is like, is he leveling up at the same rate as Scotty and Xander and Colin and all these guys? I don't know. That's where it's like looking at it year over year. Like that hasn't changed very much versus looking at it now versus 10 years ago. Yes, I'd be very concerned, but I think looking at it 12 months ago, I feel good about where

he's at. Yeah. He had a pretty good year last year. I know. Yeah. This was a little dip this year. I think it was a step back. Yeah, I think so. I agree. I think it was. I agree. I think he would say the same. I mean, really?

Yeah. Yeah, man. I just look at the majors, man. That's kind of what I'm looking at with Rory. I know. I guess that open championship is kind of lingering in my mouth a little bit on how unfun that was to watch. In his major year last year, he was T7 at the PGA. He was second at the US Open. He was T6 at the Open. He was a stronger player last year. I mean, Strokes' game dipped almost a half shot into this year off of what he did last year. Maybe I just look at like Pinehurst and I'm just like, man, like that he showed something there

that he hadn't showed in a really long time. I felt like. I think it's gonna be, yeah. It's gonna be, I guess we won't know until Augusta, but it's gonna be hard to know whether his soul absolutely left his body losing that one or not. Yeah. That was tough.

Let's just. He certainly didn't look good. I've also kind of moved on a little bit. That's kind of where I'm at is, that was tough. That was tough. He certainly didn't look good. I've also kind of moved on a little bit. That's kind of where I'm at. I know, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready to expound on that quite yet,

but that's kind of how I feel too. I feel a little more comfortable with him kind of being part of the background a little bit. I didn't think about him this week, like, really at all. You know, it's just kind of... I guess majors are the only thing that matter when he's done all of these things a million times already. But it's a weird feeling. We're getting to that point in the career where like two things are true, right? Like his age is going like this and everybody keeps saying that golf's, you know, the dominant golfer's age is going

like this and Rory's like he'll be 36 or so by the time we get to Augusta next year. I know that's not ancient for golfers by any means, but like, I don't know, these peaks are peaks are moving a lot earlier for a lot of these guys. It's I'm kind of with you TC and like I could I could see emotionally kind of moving on a little bit and if it pops up it pops up but I Don't I think he bounces back next year. I think he kind of something in between this year and last year probably but Yeah, I don't rush

Quail hollow Well hollows nice feeling very Alright, if you guys had to power rank who you think is gonna win a major the most versus he thinks can win least sahith Rory Tommy or spieth I Mean Rory of that

Rory Tommy saw his spieth I Would say Would you say Rory Tommy saw his spieth?. Yeah. I would, I would co-sign that. What are you going to say CC? I'm going to say also you're just shaming us into saw that came back around way faster than I thought. You put Tommy ahead of saw his, that you're trying to, you're trying to browbeat us into apologizing for saw his. Tommy's always around in majors, man.

I think he's, I think he's going to win a major. I was only 33 years old. I was only 33 years old. saw his, that you're trying to, you're trying to brow beat us into apologizing for saw his Thomas always surrounded majors, man. I think he's, I think he's going to win a major. I was only 33 or 34 too. I mean, you're, you know, you know who else didn't do anything past 33 though. It's true. TC the speed, the speed contend again. For sure.

Yeah. I mean, he's going to come where British open or yeah. Masters or something like consistently. I, I, I don't think so, but will he do it? Yes, I'm willing, willing to. You just need those pops. Willing to give one more big helping of of optimism after surgery. That seems like it was going on for a while.

And who knows? Right. Like if he goes and gets right and cleans up whatever he was going on for a while. And who knows, right? Like if he goes and gets right and cleans up whatever he had going on, maybe that does like fundamentally change what he's got going on. That's probably still a little rose colored glasses, but you know, I'm willing to not write him off completely. He's had-

It's pretty wild to see how bearish you guys are on Sahith. Well, just to belt on Spieth, again, a reminder, he's had one season since 2017 that was within a shot of what he did in 2017. Like one one since then. And that was the whole season. I was asking for a whole season. We're asking for that.

I think he can do I know we know he's going to do something. He almost won a bet page. That made no sense at all in 2019. Moving on, let's do Presidents Cup. This is allegedly they're making picks this coming week. Trevor Emman was all in TC's ass for saying the President's Cup didn't matter this past week. It was glorious. I absolutely loved it. Yeah, he made a really, really strong case. It

didn't super matter. See you at Ro Montreal, bud. TC would sound like a Cardinals fan saying, you know, basically I'll support this team when it starts winning. Yeah, TC's voting with his wallet, man. No, I didn't say when it starts winning. I said when I like the captain and I like the venue. And I don't like either and I don't know,

I don't think it's an interesting year. It's a tough team to get behind, TC. It's a tough team to put the black and gold on. And that was what I was trying to say with Trevor is kind of replying to like, I'm like they should do a youth movement. They should try some new guys out. They should do- Let's do them first then. Stuff. It's an entertainment product. Who are your picks? Automatic qualifiers for internationals are Tom Kim, Sung J.M., Adam Scott, Ben On,

Hideki Matsuyama, and Jason Day. Who are your international captain's picks? I'm going to go with Min Woo Lee. Easy. He's not playing great right now, but Montreal, big culinary city, you gotta bring the chef. Gotta bring the chef to town, all right? Next up, we're gonna go with my guy Foxy.

Way down the list. Kind of a Commonwealth pick, all that. Next up we're going- You're going to have to scroll the ways to get down to five for you. Next up we're going with Rico Hoey. He's 25th on the list on the Korn Ferry Tour, which is, yeah, that's how bleak this gets really, really quickly. I like Rico a lot, driver off the deck, specialist.

Let's try him out. That's what, three? Next, we're going Carl Phillips, Koala Carl. One of the hottest players in the world right now. I think he's won once, maybe twice on the corn and fairy tour here of late, gone from having no status anywhere to, or I think partial status on PGA Tour Americas to having his PGA Tour card for next year. I think Koala Carl, you get him primed up before you get down to Kingston Heath. What is that? 2028 Kingston Heath. So that's four.

Next up we're going Christo Lamprecht. I think both teams should have a captain's agreement. You should have a PGA tour university player. Kristo Lamprecht on that side, Luke Clanton on the other side. Who says no? That's five, I think. And then lastly, we're going with Rikuya Hoshino, just because I feel like we need to get Nadekki somebody to play with speaks speaks Japanese and all that left out Cory Connors? Nick Taylor Adam had win Taylor pendrith cam Davis cam things of that nature

So I just I don't think the Canadians have earned this one If you haven't qualified on points the only guy that would maybe put on there is Nick Taylor I Taylor. I think Nick Taylor's a proper player. And I like Hadwin. I just don't think he's had a great season. Dej, who are your international picks? Did you go TC's route or more traditional? No, I had exactly the same as TC. It's crazy. The Carl Phillips thing is kind of sweet. There's something that happens to these dudes when they first come out of college, that they are true top 50 players, just pure blind confidence, not having gotten the shit kicked out of them

in a pro career for three or four years. I think there's actually something there, TC. I went much, much, much more down the, this is kind of a US Ryder Cup, just give me the guys on the rankings list, to be honest. Corey Connors, I cam Davis TC. I, I don't know how you've written for cam Davis for like, he's really good. He just smells. I worry about the team room. Okay. I obviously went Min Woo Lee. I went bed. I mean, I think I,

I didn't even do this on purpose, but I just went with the next six guys. I went beds. I did not want to pick a poster. I did want to pick Taylor Pendreth. Bez is not an imposter. Bez is playing good. No, Pendreth is an imposter. Bez rules. No, I agree. Pendreth stinks, but he's like better than a lot of these other options. I had left him off immediately because I think he's... I also don't know much about the golf course. Tried to look up some info on the golf course, but I don't really know who the course fit guys are. Oh, good. to look up some info on the golf course but I don't really know who the course fit guys are. Nick Taylor I picked. I wanted to pick Adam Hadwin. I wanted to pick Steve Wu Kim. I wanted to pick Mackenzie Hughes. I wanted to pick Foxy

and like all those guys just really have not done shit man which is where I circled back to. Pendrith I think is like 30th in the data golf rankings. Like I think he's he's played some nice golf as much as that's kind of an inconvenient truth for for my whole platform Especially since I think he completely shit the bed in his last president's cup appearance, but very much so I don't know man Mike we're playing in Canada Like at least give the fan but my thought honestly was like let's just give the fan something fun to cheer for loaded up with Canadians

So you should go all Canadians. My my I went I went insane with my picks. I went seven eight nine ten uh eleven and then thirteen not twelve. I went hadwin over Nick Taylor. Nick Taylor's had a sneaky kind of yeah I know it's crazy uh but I mean let's just get spencin on the team while we're at it right. If there were if the other guys weren't Canadians I think it'd be easier to mix like Siwoo Kim I think might be on the outside looking in um which I don't necessarily know if he should be but I think the Canadian element is gonna definitely it's an entertainment product I think they're gonna uh lean heavily into the guys that are from that problem with them calling it rural Montreal too it's like so far outside the city shouldn't it's not rural Montreal it's just

like TBC Boston. King Abdullah Economic City. Exactly. And I'm just receiving word solid. Nick Taylor has sucked. Yeah, he really has. Oh, yes. Like really bad.

He's a proper player. TC, I did a little digging on a couple things and I'm gonna, is Ryan Fox a proper player? Cause I'm gonna- No, absolutely not. Okay, okay, good. I feel like I've heard you say he's a proper player like eight times. He's No, absolutely not. Okay. Okay. Good. I feel like I've heard you say he's a proper player. He's good on firm turf, which this won't be.

He hit like one low shot at the Masters and everyone's like, Oh, he's a proper player. Like, I don't. He likes to work the ball. He likes, he likes firm conditions. He's not like a. He gets off base. Exactly.

All right, D2, your US picks. On the US side, I went Mr. Burns. Let's see. I went Russ Henley. Yep. I'm gonna skip the next one. I went Akshay Bhatia. TC pains me to do this.

I went Justin Thomas. I think he's had a better year than most, and I just don't think there's like a ton of future investment in a lot of these guys, unless you want to talk me into Davis Thompson or Austin Eckrode or even like Nick Dunlap hasn't been that good. I just, I don't know. I'm in on the youth movement stuff, but not- If it's there. If the youth is there. Yes. I don't stuff, but not there. If the youth are there. Yes.

I don't think it's really there. Solid question for you. Does Dunlap's point, does his win, does his amateur win count towards these standings? I do not know. I don't think it does, or I think he would be higher on this list. I can't square with him.

Like he wasn't even in the top 25. It's horrible. Like there's no like tracking of these points. Like there's nothing to collapse any of these or to get any kind of look into it. It's a meritocracy. They might be making up these points for all I know. I really wanted to skip Big Tone,

but I'm gonna put him on there because he, again, just like the US has not really been beaten down the door. I'm leaving Keegan Bradley off just because I don't. A, I don't think he's been playing that good. And B, I think like bring him to be kind of assistant captain. Bring him to shadow. Jim Furyk makes basically make him the shadow captain.

Get him ready for the Ryder Cup. And then my last guy. Got to do it. He's been the best American team player under the last two years, man. I'm ready to ride. I'm not. Max has not been playing good golf. Nobody is going to apologize for the golf. He's been playing I think he's earned it over the last two team events

He's been the fucking dude on the US side the last two times and I I don't know It's the President's Cup just get him there keep it You know, it could be the Adam Scott like get the confidence back thing, right? Like get out and play with the guys, be the leader in the team room. I think you need it. Those are, I'll just save the time. Those are exactly my six picks as well. TC, do you have, I can't wait to hear this.

I got a few different ones. Miles Russell, you know, Blades Brown. No, I'm picking up what you guys are putting down as far as Max is concerned, I think. I think he's earned it. I think the only concern is just like, do you want him to shut it down or do you want him to get through this? Right.

So I'll go Max. I'll go Russ Henley. That's a no brainer. I think Keegan. I think Keegan's playing great golf. I think he's going to play his way on the Ryder Cup team. I think it's going to see you might as well figure out how to do both. I'll take that bet if you want to if you want to put a way to that next year.

I have no idea why or how action on that one too. I don't want to be like betting on Keegan. I'm going to be the top six Americans this time next year. TC. Yeah, maybe. God, I mean, good golf. Hucking sick old goal by the Americans. You accidentally shouldn't be any automatic qualifiers. It should be all for sure all captains pick. I'm going like I said, Luke Clinton, when Occha I'm going wills alatoros. I think Will Zalatoros at some point needs some team experience. T12 at Memphis, T13 at BMW, kind of playing his way into form.

I don't know. I think he's going to be like, use this as like an incubator, right? Get Cam Young on. Bring Billy Horschel as an ass captain. Nick Dunlap, like get him on the team. Like I said to Trevor, this thing does not matter at all. Trey Lockerbie Not spoken like somebody that's a member of the Shield, TC. They have a lot of identity in that Shield.

Trevor Perkins No, they did until Mike Weir became the captain. They took it to Montreal. It's really unserious. I'm still pissed about Mike Weir like just showing up and withdrawing from a bunch of tournaments back, you know, seven, eight years ago. It was ridiculous. Six, 12 years ago. People don't forget grudges. Okay. Those are announced. So the internationals are going to be announced September 3, 1pm. The internationals are gonna be announced September 3rd at 1 p.m. The U.S. is gonna be announced September 3rd at 2 p.m. So mark your calendars for that. Do we have any ground made up on the LPG?

Oh, it is looking like a plan. Yes. Greetings, Jin Young Ko has like a 12 foot birdie putt here on the 18th. Currently tied at the top of 15 under with Hey young group, but it's still wet out there. They're just slogging it in. Karlota is in the final group with LC. It's like it's Karlota shank. It's so slow. We'll see. Hopefully she makes this birdie putt, but I'll keep you keep you updated to it. I do want to shout out here on Rue. She shot 69, 62, 78, 64.

That's remarkable. He played so hard on Thursday. I think Marina Alex was tied for the lead at minus four. Most of the field was over par. And then they eased up on the setup a bunch on Friday and your shot 62. Like when, and there wasn't a 62 out there, just clean card, 10 birdies, and then turns around and fires 78, 16 shots higher the next day. Incredible. It was fun. I was kind of like watching TBC Boss. Yeah. I thought that was like, I don't know, that was a good, that was a good golf tournament. That was kind of like watching TBC Boston. I thought that was like a, I don't know, that was a good, that was a good golf tournament. That was kind of almost like the peak of my, my PJ tour watching. I feel like when you had Tiger, I don't know, the playoffs felt a little new at least. I always kind of enjoyed that tournament. I'll agree with that. Fun to see some of those holes again, like seeing the, it's always fun when, I mean, this obviously speaks to one of the largest

kind of challenges or opportunities in the women's game. It's always fun when you see a photo that you've seen a thousand times, but you have the women playing the hole instead of the men. That's kind of how I saw, I felt like seeing that part three on the back nine. You know what I mean?

We're like, wait, what is that? Like I've seen that hole a thousand, oh right, TBC Boston, that's right, okay. I have familiarity with this golf course. I'll say this, a new event this year, they just signed on, announced today that they're coming back again next year for the FM championship.

I believe the same weekend, I think Labor Day in Boston absolutely makes sense when you talk about, you know. That's what it was. That's what it was. It's not in Boston. It's not in Boston. It's more in Providence. But excuse me, just outside of Boston.

Got the Fenway Sports Group, by the way. And right, of course, obligatory mentioned that Gilhans is a cock, of course, for what he did for the 18th grade, according to according to Luke Donald back in. If people don't know that story, Luke Donald accidentally tweeted what was supposed to be a D.M. after he got screwed on the 18th grade called Gil Hance a cock which was very funny at the time She should not have apologized for that. That was very funny

Solheim picks we had a podcast came out on Friday with Cody and big talking reaction on the US side and the European side they have Lexi Jennifer cup show and Sarah Schmezzle are the US picks and Albin Valenzuela and a Nordquist Emily Christine Peterson and Georgia Hall on the European side for the Soham Cup which is coming up quickly. Do you see any reaction to those picks? No, I thought they were pretty stock. I think I don't know obviously I'm not a big Lexi guy but I think overall the you know Lexi Cupcho tough to get excited about. Sarah Schmelzler's had a

really good season. Angel Yin's on the outside looking in. She hasn't played great of late, but probably a reason to be a little bit miffed, especially considering her Solheim Cup record. And then on the European side, I think they went with experience. They got Albin Alansweila on there as well. And then Nordquist, Emily Christine Peterson, Georgia Hall just, you know, kind of stalwarts there. I hope they get our Swedish friend who was the guy that made the big eagle or the big putt at the end. headwall. Yeah headwall headwall needs to be an assistant captain Like she needs to be there Yeah, we'll see I don't have any insight on that one I think I'm guessing the ass captains are probably figured out at this

point, but Curtis Cup was at Sunningdale this past week. It was incredible viewing Brill Even if you will the GB&I team beat the United States ten and a half to nine and a half. I think there's almost no better place to be in the world late summer playing golf than the Sundale Old Course. It's just freaking insanely good. Awesome event. They've done such a great job elevating Walker Cup and Curtis Cups in recent years. Truly the venues matter, ethos being put on display at these events and where they're having them because that was great viewing,

very limited commercials. If they're ready commercials this morning, they're for Sunday singles. That's just a proper, proper golf event. Yeah, Sunningdale, I mean, TC, we were talking about earlier, that might be tip top of my list of like, how have I not been to that place?

Like scrolling through some of the videos and the whole previews and watching the highlights today, I'm almost like, God, why, why, I mean, why has nobody told me about this place? No, it just, it looks spectacular. I don't know if we want to bring it, Jordan's backstage. I think she probably watched a lot more of it than any of us.

Jordan, what were your Curtis Cup takeaways? Guys, I'm fuming. I'm furious. That was just an abomination by Team USA. First time they've lost is like 2016 or something? Yeah. Big lineups and pairing issues, I I think is what it came down to Feel like team USA was the more talented team, but G B and I was the better team this week I've heard that big for in this event Yeah, I I was disappointed really disappointed by team USA by some of the lineups that came out specifically on Saturday four ball. It felt like there was more of let's give everyone a fair shake rather than let's send

out who's playing the best. They sent out some players who had not won a single match up until that point. It's a boys club. Yeah, it held back on some players who had been winning and playing well. And I think my take on that is like, everybody gets a shot on Sunday and don't lean back on Sunday to try and make up ground.

And, you know, we came in today needed three versus five. It just, I couldn't get over some of the decisions that Megan Stassi made. That was really tough to see. But Astris Talley, I will say, was an enormous bright point. I felt like, and I was telling someone this earlier, I felt like Astris Talley this summer has evolved in ways that it takes players to evolve in years. And that might be because of the position she's put herself in, in terms of the girls junior final, in terms of the women's amateur final.

But this Curtis Cup, she really showed it off. She was the best player out there. And even her specifically paired with Jasmine Koo, they played phenomenally. I mean, they fell to Hannah Darling. I mean, anybody paired with Hannah Darling this week was just in great shape. And that's the thing about GVNI that I noticed too, is that anybody equipped with Lottie or Hannah Darling was energizing them, or the other way around. And even though they both fell in their singles matches today, they still energized the rest of the team. And I don't know, Sarah Byrne, I just wanna say,

I was familiar with your game, but I wasn't that familiar with your game. Some of the greatest approach plays I saw, I've ever seen in a match like that. Like I loved watching her. Lottie was being Lottie. I mean, I think putting asterisk against Lottie was kind of ballsy, but I loved it. I thought that was epic. And yeah, I don't know. I shout out to Rachel Keene, I want to say, because I think

qualifying for three straight Curtis Cups is hard, and I think it was commendable that she waited out her amateur career to finish that way because you just don't see that very often. But she gave it her all as well and has played great in all of her Curtis Cups and has a tremendous record. And yeah, I was very disappointed by what I saw from Team USA, but Jeanne B and I deserved it. Katrina Matthew, I hope they don't let go of her. Karen Stupples was also a big part of that as well, especially with her win at Sunday. I mean, I hope they don't let go of her. Karen Stoppels was also a big part of that as well, especially with her win at Sunday. That was a no brainer. But yeah, GV and I really brought it this year and hats off to them. They just did an incredible job. I thought it was interesting seeing Melanie Green on the US side. She was three up at one point late in the front nine and then on the US side, she was up, she was three up at one point late in the front nine and then not happy about not being given a two or, you know, two or three foot putt.

And does the JT lays her, lays her putter down on the green to kind of measure the thing and then loses. You just don't do that. You just don't do that. You just don't do that. You don't. Especially at Saundale, especially on foreign soil, you know, club. What you don't do is you know where she learned that from JT and the boys club. That's

where that's who she learned it from. I think I contended. So it's okay if you go like win the match, but you can't do that. And then like kick the match away like that. It will kick the match away. And then also, you know, like she tied, she, she gassed the match and then they, they lost the soul because of it. That's tough. The Curtis Cup. But yeah. Did you have a problem when, uh, when Shane Lowry did it on foreign soil or is it just the, just the American Curtis Cup players? I don't recall that one. We can check the table. I will say to the Irish, I need to see more out of Anya Donigan. Okay.

I just need to see a little bit more. That's fair. Noted. Team Rose getting some run out there again in the team photo. He was out there supporting. Good on him. He's going to get knighted here pretty soon. I think he's on the deep photo. Absolutely. Yeah. He was out there supporting good on him. He's gonna get knighted here pretty soon, I think. He's on the fast track.

Monty was in the team room, giving a pep talk, I think, today. So, but no, team Rose- Charlie Hull is out there. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I think team Rose, DJ and I, just generally speaking,

hand up, Mea culpa. I was gonna say, Sal, I don't know if this kind of goes into our, our serve pro mea culpa segment. That's coming up next. If you want to wait for that, uh, if, or is that what your mea culpa is going to be your mom? I was going to lead into, you know, I know we've, uh, we're kind of looking back thanks to our friends at surf row.

Jordan, thank you for the, for the Curtis cup, uh, weigh in as well. It looked like a hell of an event. Can I give you my spiel here? It's in golf when bad shots happen, there's the mulligan bulb and fire, water, or other damage happens, there's Surf Pro. Thankfully the pros at Surf Pro can help us clean up some messy takes from this week or from this year,

from any point really. So let's go around the horn on some bad takes and mea culpas and make them like they never even happened. And I think we were kind of looking at this as a broad, you know, the season has ended now What what are some takes from this past year or even years past that you really want to get off your chest get off? You're you know expunged from your record. I feel like team Rose, you know, it started as I think a pretty good bit I think everybody had a lot of fun with it Just a deeply self-serious person. All the don't underestimate me stuff.

All the douchey like photos on social media. He just seems like such a cartoon character and very easy to poke fun of. I think the scales have tipped now for me where I think he's doing enough good stuff. He's doing a lot of good stuff with women's European golf. I was so impressed with his just presence at the Ryder Cup last year and how he took, you know, a lot of these dudes under their wing and he just kind of is like, he's really good at saying a lot of the right stuff and it's, it's become not as fun to, uh, to poke fun at Team Rose

anymore. And so today just put me over the edge of like, you know what, man, he doesn't have to be out there at the Curtis Cup. He doesn't have to be, I think he might just be a golf sicko. And so today just put me over the edge of like, you know what, man, he doesn't have to be out there at the Curtis cup. He doesn't have to be, I think he might just be a golf sicko. And there was a lot of, uh, a lot of very friendly British people in my, in my mentions today, like, Hey, what's up with the team Rose thing? What are we not like about this guy? Cause like, it seems like he's kind of doing a lot of the right stuff. And, uh, while I won't say that my, my bit came from, you know, I think it did come from a good place

and it probably was, it didn't need to have a little air taken out of his balloon. I'm willing to back off of it now and I think he's probably a pretty good guy. So I want to apologize for that one. That's big of you. I think also he didn't have to be out there at all and he certainly, like he was out there two or three days in a row and that's not like hey I'm trying to get the photo up that's no like I legitimately give a shit so he did I'm right there with you they had a cool vid

he did where he kind of surprised a bunch of the players in one of their team rooms or whatever and I don't know there's just that's cool he's doing he's doing a lot of the right stuff we don't don't have to relitigate all the past stuff. Yeah. I'll go next. I made some calls. We were of course making some predictions early in the year, very beginning of the year, kicking off the year. And I made a really, really poor one.

And it's end of the PGA Tour season and I have to own it. Cody, if you have it, let's just play the clip from the season preview pod and I'll own it on the backend. He's gonna lift the clip from the season preview pod and I'll own it on the back end. He's going to lift and separate from Scotty because Scotty is going to win four times, including a major and have positive strokes game putting in 2024. So I think, uh, I think we bottomed out on the putting. I, uh, I like it. Yeah.

It's a lot. That's a lot of predictions wrapped up. Yeah. It's a big, same game parlay. I just a lot of predictions wrapped up in one way. Yeah, it's a big same game parlay I just can't see and you're just gonna I knew you were gonna curve ball under soda. I totally under sold me one eight times not four It was such a weak prediction And you know, I just I have to be better. I have to give him respect. I had, I have to own that guys.

I said he was only going to win four times and it looks very, very, very self-sufficient. It's off by four wins. That's a lot. That's a lot to be off by. Egg on your face, man. Yeah. I have to own that. So we are getting word that the team Rose was working for sky for the RNA this week.

So it may have been paid to be there. That's fine. Well, listen, he doesn't need the money from that either. You know, that's being easy. No, listen, he doesn't need the money from that either. You know, that's being an easy no. My apologies, Stan. I want to get that in because I have a feeling TC's mulligan is going to be in a similar vein. No, I think mine, no, like real mulligans. Yeah, like Ludwig, all that stuff. We've been over that. I've apologized for Ludwig's performance this year, you know, some second place finishes and stuff like that. I think what I got to Xander, I was wrong on Xander.

He was clearly the second best player this year, like by far wasn't even close and kind of shut it down at, you know, a real major and a pseudo major. Worth acknowledging the leap he took though, right? It wasn't like he stayed on the same, on the path that he was on, it wasn't like you were off with that. It was like, dude, the Chris Como thing, he became a different dude this year.

I think there was a lot of other years he would have been by far the best player. It's just a matter of he ran into like a generational buzzsaw this year. So there was a stack some Justin Ray on that on that front. I think it was 9.4% of the time he made bogey, which is the lowest percentage all time in the history of the PJ tour. Holy shit. So that's good. Jesus. That's good. Wow. Sheesh. And then just a recent maya call but I wanted to apologize to Wesley Brian,

who I went after on our Wednesday live show. And, you know, I was, I talked to Wesley this week. I, I called into question his character for him going down the wrong fairway on the 18th holder in the creator classic and then taking TIO. Yeah. And, you know, and then taking TIO. That's such a funny sentence. Yeah. And, you know, and then I'd said it, he was my, he was my, one of my least favorite people in golf, which was obviously hyperbole and wasn't true. I think I've always, I've hung out with, with George a number of times. I've met Wesley once or twice, but, you know, obviously I think they've done good things for the game of golf and Wesley and I don't see eye to eye on things a lot of the time, but I apologize to him for going after his character.

I think he deserved, we can talk about whether he should have been at the Creator Classic or not. He almost won a PGA Tour event this year. It was almost like a sign of, like, hey man, you're really good. I don't know. Should like should Bryson be there then to just beat everybody So anyway, just wanted to apologize for that. That's big of you TC since you're here We have If you listen to our show on Wednesday We asked the beluga Neil Schuchard to do a big board similar to how we did the AT&T where he ranked it predicted how the top 30 in the field were gonna gonna finish Cody made his awesome graphic about the Beluga big board. Neil was really

self-conscious about us revisiting this on the show. He's like make sure you guys you guys got to own that you picked Ludwig to win this week right? I mean because you can't just lay into me here but he did okay. I thought he did pretty good, yeah. I thought it was pretty decent. It's a hard, you know, it's a hard exercise. He picked, we're not gonna go through them all here, but you know, he nailed Tom Hogue. Oh, not right on. Finished T29.

Yeah, he nailed Tom Hogue. Chris Kirk was one off. I mean, Finau, he's two off. What, Bez wasn't too far off,ed on Sahith. That was some disrespect. You know, he had him at 23rd and Adam Scott kind of slept on him, kind of slept on Sung Jay. He picked Xander to win. That didn't quite work out. Finished picked Scotty to finish third Ludwig to finish second. So I don't know if he's he can yell at us to for picking Ludwig to win. He was on that one too. So yeah, I would maybe call into I I Would say picking two guys ahead of Scottie Scheffler when Scottie's starting with a lead

It was was that's fairly fairly clownish. I would say that's a big Tommy. I Gave him. I adjusted his form here. I I gave him a nice greater I would have thought he would have put Tommy in there at 11th, but Just read on just real quick on this, like, I think you guys were a little hard on Wyndham this past year. I mean, finished his eighth overall for the season. You flipped it at the bottom there, I think. I think he got a lot of, you know, a lot of tough press during a tough stretch, but, and he kind of flipped it back at the bottom, I think. Robert Leonard I think there was some stolen valor out of Pebble Beach. I don't think that was a proper win. And then I just think some of it was residual stuff from

him, the nature that he won out at LACC and just some of the stuff that he's done as far as TIO and other things. Yeah, I actually saw him in a push back and say we were not hard enough on Wyndham after looking at this. He missed a cut at RIV, which like what? 10 guys missed a cut. He missed a cut at Memorial.

As the defending US Open champion. He missed a lot of cuts. Missed a cut at Memorial where like 10 guys missed a cut. Missed a cut at the Masters, missed a cut at the PGA and missed a cut at the Open Championship. You missed the cut at three of the four. It's not good, but for the, his BGA Tour season was pretty fucking good. Finished the top 10. I mean, that's, that's, that's an unserious.

Finished the top 10. I'm going to offer you a bit. Because he played ball in Memphis. No. To get back out of this. I mean, since July, since late June, he's played really good golf. He's played very, he had a really bad stretch there from what? March to end of June, but then he rebounded quickly. Great start.

That was a big tournament in that stretch. Very big tournament. He seems like maybe a... T7 at the St. Jude. Pretty sad. A guy that makes the wild card, gets in the wild card, gets hot in the postseason. But again, we're talking about a golf postseason that doesn't matter versus. Yeah. Deidre, you got a little golf lesson this past week. You're getting back in the lab. Is that a positive development? Yeah.

I don't know why nobody told me. Nobody suggested that I've spent 20, 25 years just trying to figure it out on my own, which you know, mixed results of that. But yeah, it turns out having a professional look at your action was very helpful. I worked with a local guy, Joe Scherer, and we had a great day out there. Went and hit balls today. A lot of it stuck. It was just, we've been going an hour and 40 here.

We don't need to belabor it too much. I might do a little writing maybe on the whole lesson experience, I might, we don't need to, we've been going an hour and 40 here, we don't need to belabor it too much. I might do a little writing maybe on kind of the whole lesson experience, I think, because there was a lot of fun stuff to take away. But TLDR, listen, you don't come at me, I know, early extension, I get it, I know, I'm closed, I know, I'm steep. I fucking see the same video you guys are seeing.

The problem is like, how to actually fix it. And the way we do it, we gotta create more width and depth in the backswing, which is what we're doing. And we've got some good fields to create that power. And then we're using the left side of using the ground with our left side. So it's been an exciting, spiting a couple of weeks. My golf game feels good for the first time. And the speed is real. Right in time to have a kid. Yeah. Is Deech being paid under the table by the PGA of And the speed is real. Right in time to have a kid. Yeah. Yeah.

Is Deech being paid under the table by the PGA of America? That's interesting. Are you working with Locky or somebody? No, I would have worked with any kind of AI system or I would have taken advice from anybody. Would have been fine. What's going on in your game, TC? Oh God, you don't wanna know.

It's bad. It's, we're in a bad place. I shot at our at our NLU summer festival. I shot 49-38 49 solid and I was exhausted. I think I was hungover I almost broke my nose a couple nights prior like I was not doing well But I just I couldn't hit the ball. It was crazy.

I'm playing like a 15 handicap right now. I got people online on YouTube saying, my ass TC is a one. I don't want to be a one. I got some good scores in the bank this year. That's what the handicap system says I am based on the scores that I've shot this year. But I'm playing, you know, at best I'm playing like a, like an average round that I go out, maybe a, maybe a three and a half or a four. I'm an easy mark right now. So anybody that wants to, to play me right now, like get in while the getting's good. Cause TC's about to get in the lab. Got a pen in the pad. Could be the old's might be coming for their revenge

down there at Pottery J or Aidan Club. TC, when was the last time we played a Thursday game? Like now that PGA tour season's over, we gotta get out. We gotta get out on some Thursdays, man. We gotta play some golf here. I know summer's coming to an end here. Not really, we still got another month. Like it's fricking hot here still in September.

But to update people on the chase for the 180-180 chase, which is 180 pounds, 180 ball speed. Started at 196 pounds and started at 165 ball speed. Maybe 167, I don't know what I started at. But touched 174 on ball speed. Of course, this on the foresight sports GC quad titles GT3 driver Stack speed training going on. We are we're going up up and up hydrating with the Yeti water bottle Lot of things to credit here, but stick into a routine stick into a routine doing I'm not getting out and playing any golf Really much golf. I think I've got three rounds in in the last two months, but I am getting in the backyard and getting some swings in, like getting some swings in,

and like the little medium little touch point at home when you're aren't able to get out of the house has been really helpful. I don't know if it's helpful for the game, but the speed is going up. It's been really fun. Hell yeah. And I ran to the range today and just tested.

I haven't really been testing what the ball speed is, but just went there and hit like 15 balls today to see what it was. And yeah, it's nice. So it's fun. What is your plan to keep yourself in golf shape with the pending new children that are coming into your life?

This. Because you know, there's nothing really to work for for the next couple months. It sounds like he's kind of becoming more of just a theoretical golfer. Yeah, mental reps. Yeah, that's going up in my garage. I don't play, but my speed is just going up. Do we set up a sim for you? What's the best route so you come out this the other side and you're still competitive solid?

Well, I'm hoping to be able to eventually get a net set up in my backyard to be able to do some at home stuff and just go outside and hit balls for five, 10 minutes. That's kind of what, but most realistic thing. But this stack thing only takes a couple, like takes 30 minutes and it's twice a week, maybe three times a week, depending on how the dates fall out and like put on the schedule and do it. And it's good physical exercise and it's fun.

Like it's, I've really enjoyed that part actually. I saw he's gonna join the TGL Jupiter links they make the golf strollers in a three-hole er I don't know if you can I don't know if you could pull that off you might need to do some aftermarket modifications I might just like have it just hooked to me like via, you know, some corner of some sort of bungee cord or something carry them around. So it's going to bring us towards wrapping here. If you missed it, hopefully you did not from this past week.

We released it. If I may say so, DJ PI was in his bag with our old course in reverse film that came out, which was sponsored by our friends at Yeti of our experience going around the old course in reverse film that came out which was sponsored by our friends at Yeti of our experience going around the old course in reverse and I don't really even know how to describe it but it was freaking amazing experience and DJ captured it and the whole team captured it in a way that wouldn't have been possible many years ago captured in the wind and rain and we

have audio and visual for that day which is still kind of a mini miracle. And it was just a really freaking cool experience. It is on our YouTube channel here. And I hope people get a chance to see it if you haven't already, because it was freaking amazing. Thank you. That's very nice of you to say. But also, yeah, more shooters than we've ever had, more audio help than we've ever had, more music help we've ever had. You guys were great on camera.

It was like it's one of the most fun projects we've ever put out there. So please go watch that. And also, if you haven't yet, there's two videos on our YouTube channel that look very similar that are wildly different. And I think a lot of people probably skipped over the film room that we did, which is actually going into every one of, because the film that we did does not show every one of the shots of the old course in reverse, but the film room that we did does. So if you wanna see how every single hole plays, you wanna watch Sully's entire round,

that is all on our YouTube channel as well. So go enjoy that. Lots to watch there. Lots coming too. There's a lot more coming. How did I get all this speed? Well, I went to TPI. We've got a whole video on that going on.

Cody's playing some exceptional golf right now. We're transforming his body. That is coming out in a TPI video. We've got the NLU club championship is just around the corner. That's going to be a content bonanza. We've got all kinds of shit coming up. It's going to be a very fun next couple weeks. Tell us about the nestPod this week, TC. Amen. Well, I just, yeah. I wanted to talk to Lauren, but I knew Lauren wouldn't tell me a lot of this stuff or be really humble at Lauren Coughlin, of course, after her multiple wins here in the last month and a half. So I called up John Pond, her husband, who has been caddying out on the LPGA tour, quit his job beginning of the year to go out there and be with Lauren full-time on tour and caddying for another player and kind of

apprenticing and learning how to be a caddie out there. And just kind of went through her whole career with him. It was shades of the max pods that we've done, especially the one that was at 2018 or 2019 with him. I think too often when people have success and you get that win or you finally made it, all that struggle or all those valleys seem kind of romanticized or some of the rough edges get taken off of them and there's a little bit more sheen on it. And so I think with John, and especially on the ladies side, the margins are so much thinner. Being broke on the Symmetra tour, it's a lot different than being broke on the Corn Fairy tour even. The money is about one fifth, the corn fairy tour even. The money is about one fifth, if that. And so just listening to John talk about the various low points before we met Lauren, after we met Lauren, some stuff that I didn't even

know about since we've met her and everything. So yeah, we just went through her entire career. And it was one of the most eye-opening things I think I've done in a long time. Props to John for being extremely well-spoken and thoughtful, but also vulnerable through it all as well. Again, all credit to Lauren. Her story is truly remarkable. She was getting ready to like quit the game and you know, it's four or five years ago and progress is so incremental and slow and It's and sometimes hidden that you know, you don't know whether you're actually getting better or not for her It was just immense amount of self-belief and support. So That watch guess is available Nest members you can join the nest at no no-laying-up.com slash join. That is our membership platform.

If you are not, there's a lot of great offerings in there, discounts on merchandise, access to events, all kinds of great offerings, no-laying-up.com slash join to check that out and access that podcast as well. We have some writing up on the site. I wrote about Joey Votto this past week, Big Randy did a G and T about being a dog owner as well this past week. KVV did a Victor Hovland podcast this past week just kind of piggybacking off the narrative that he wrote back in May around the PGA around Hovland it was great working as an

audio piece as well that should be in your podcast feed hopefully you got a chance to check that out and just had to work this in anytime you get a tweet from Ryan nannies at celebrity hot tub asking a question for the pod. Does Florida move on from Billy Napier before the cocktail party or they make him deal with that? Is it a question? I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer. This is probably a question for Jordan. So he's not the pop. They should move on. Absolutely. It's not great.

It's not working out great for Billy. What a debacle. Shout out to the OG Ryan Nanny. He's an old idol of ours. So that's going to do it for the PGA Tour season. What a season it was. It's more of a question mark ending than it was an exclamation point, I think. But we'll have Solheim Cup and President's Cup coming up in terms of live shows happy hours and all that and

then that's a wrap on live stuff for us throughout the year we'll also continue ours our normal cadence a podcast of course throughout the course of the year on Tuesdays and Sundays just not as much of a live aspect hey hey Ran you has won we'll be back in a couple weeks live I don't know what's all he's talking about we got Solheim Cup coming up in two weeks just said that nominal literally just watching this putt here so in the zone on LPGA so so here are you one after shooting 78 on Saturday she shot 16 shots worse on Saturday than she done on Friday and then she came back and shot and shot 14 shots better on Sunday that's insane

truly kind of handed it to her by Jenny on co here did not play 18 what they played in the playoff very well But yeah, it's all I also we got Omega European Masters this week over on the Europeans on the DP world tour over in Switzerland some coffee golf there Following week we have Irish Open, Royal County Down. We go to the PGA at Wentworth. And we'll have a fun, no Sunday recap pod next week because there's not really any PGA Tour golf, but we'll have a fun stand-in episode

that I'm looking forward to. And as I mentioned, and as Cody mentioned, we will be live for the Solheim Cup after every round and the President's Cup after every round as well. So that is gonna be a wrap. Thank you to High Noon. Thank you to Titleist. Thank you to Serve Pro. Thank you to Foresight. Thank you to Cody, Jordan, DJ Pi, TC, everybody listening live, everybody listening in your cars. Crack on and cheers.