No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 922: Players on the rise, leaf blowers, and Phil's dinosaur

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

We're back for another "offseason" pod with a few thoughts on Austin Eckroat's win at El Cardonal before another grab bag of topics including our picks for players who'll be on the rise in the 2025 calendar year and another E-9 segment. We then close with another "one for the road" as KVV dives into the legend of Phil's dinosaur head birthday gift. If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Support Our Partners: Titleist ServPro Rhoback Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no laying up podcast. My name is DJ thrilled to be talking about another week of golf with my guys. TC is joining me Tron Carter from Jacksonville, Florida. How are you TC? I'm great. Dej just ready to talk some ball, man.

I can't, I cannot wait. And another preeminent ball knower. That is of course KVV from the greater Baltimore area. Kevin van Valkenburg, Kev, how are you today? I'm freezing in Baltimore, but otherwise I'm good. It is like 50 degrees here. It's a, it's not, it's not great. It's not happy sucky here too. Cold rainy, those, those, those charming fall days have seemed to be on the way out. But, uh, we're going to be talking about, you know, some places where the weather was good, some sunny, sunny weather all over the world for a professional golf. We've got some non-professional golf stuff. We're going to be talking about, uh,

some young, young studs to watch TC this week on the PJ tour was a great indicator of, uh, some fun young names to follow. So we're going to dive a little deeper into that. We're going to bring back our E9 segment that we started last week. Kev's going to lead that one. We've got a little housekeeping. We're going to talk about our weeks in golf and Kev's going to play us out with another one from the road.

If you missed our pod last week, there was nothing really topical in there. So if you're looking for some background on some of these segments, I would recommend going and listen back to last week's kind of a chop session episode last week on the No Laying Up podcast. But TC this week on the world of competitive golf, we had Austin Eckroote winning the worldwide technology championship on the PGA tour. We had A-Lim Kim winning the Lotte championship on the LPGA and we had Paul Warring winning the Abu Dhabi HSBC golf championship on the DP world tour. Warring or wearing? I would think Warring, but I don't know. You're, you're, you're, I feel like,

yeah, I feel like it's on it here. I was watching on mute today. I feel like Warring would be with two Rs. Warring would be with one R. Yeah, I think you're right. All right. I'll issue on mute today. I feel like warring would be with two Rs. Wearing would be with one R. Yeah. I think you're right. All right. I'll issue an early May a culpa there and I'm just going to commit to wearing. I like it. A lot of great to wear that though. I might have to wear that one. That's, that's right. If there's anyone that's cool about pronunciations,

it's usually our international listeners. So I'm sure they'll be the Brits. Yeah. I'm sure that'll be super chill. A lot of great driving of the golf ball went into a lot of those victories this week. TC little bird told me you're driving the hell out of the golf ball. You're back to your old ways. Please tell me a little bit about that. Yeah, I am. I'm in the GT two. It's awesome. Yeah. It's just, I went from the TSR three to the GT two DJ. I'm flashing. I can't really do anything else right now. That's exactly where I'm at right now. I'm driving. I know that's exactly where I'm at. It's middle of the fairway. Yeah. It's so consistent across the face,

which also the point of like, man, like, is this legal? Like this thing's so good. But yeah, just like, I don't know, like I hit one that should be kind of a spinny ball off the bottom of the face and it still kind of, it doesn't get eaten up in the wind. I hit one off the top of the face and it doesn't quite knuckle as much. And it's just a great, great driver. I've got the Ventus Black, I think 7X in it.

And it's like, that's been awesome as well. Yeah, like life is good with the woods, man. I got the Ventus Black in my three wood, my five wood now as well. My T200 four iron is going and then I just kind of get progressively worse as I get down to the bottom of my back. So I would say just go get fit. The GT is as good as it gets and I've had a bunch of friends who've gotten fit for it. And they've said, dude, like I'm agnostic. I just went to a fitter and I said, hey, you know, put me in whatever the best numbers are and to a man through the GT and

on top of that, it looks great. Like I'm a big aesthetic guy. And the sound is good. The sound is great. A little polymer in there. So I would recommend just go get fit and let that take care of the rest. It's, it's really, really good. Take my word for it. I'm pretty excited about that. You finally got the five wood, huh? Finally got the five wood. It's, I'm going to, I'm going to smoke that thing. If I ever.

I've actually, so it's funny. I've actually stopped hitting my three wood as much just cause I hit my five wood so much more, especially off the tee. It's freaking awesome. Good to have a weapon. Good to have a go-to weapon, a little off-speed pitch you can, you can go to. Did you know TC, Titleist is the most played driver on the PGA tour and has been for six seasons and counting. That's something I'm still getting used to. It's always been the number one, you know, golf ball, but they've been the number one driver for a long time as well.

Titleist drivers are also the top choice of the players on the DP world tour, the corn fairy tour, the list goes on. Probably the top driver at the NIT as well. Titles drivers are also the top choice of the players on the DP world tour, the corn fairy tour. The list goes on. They are probably the top driver at the NIT as well a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure same story at the game's biggest junior and amateur championships. Titles was the most played driver this season at both the men's and women's NCAA

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Guys, let's get into some birdies and bogeys here. Austin Eckro, TC, your guy, our guy. We were riding so hard for Austin Eckro earlier this year. Shoot 63 in the final round to win the worldwide technology championship over what I'm going to call a bonafide fun leaderboard of some young studs. We had Carson Young up there. We had Max Grazerman, who's playing some of the best golf in the world. We had our guy Justin Lauer up there. We had Joe Highsmith. This is, of course, Austin Eckrode's second win of the year. He also won at the don't call me the Honda cognizant at Palm beach.

TC, what do you, what do you think? Biggest takeaway from the week? What, what felt different about this week than, than kind of the rest of the fall? I think it actually felt similar to the black desert championship and that it's kind of a resort course, but it's fun to see these guys, their short grass all over the place. It's super wide. Like this is where our friend Adam long became Mr. 69 last year. I hit 69 fairways in a row. I think he had to do that outside of the bounds of this tournament, but I believe this was the bulk of that. Echor, it's really interesting with him.

He won a course that I think is probably the polar opposite of this one as far as driving the ball down at PGA national. And so I'm always fascinated when guys win on varied golf courses. That's kind of a nice calling card to have and ball striking kind of travels anywhere. And I think you saw that with this leaderboard, like, Grazerman's a great ball striker, Carson Young, kind of took driving accuracy out of the equation. And it's like, all right, how good are you? It's a second shot golf course. How good are you here? And none of them, you know, I think Ekra moves the ball pretty good. Grazerman moves the ball pretty good, but

none of them are like bonafide bombers, longest dudes on tour. They're just, you know, iron playing aficionados. So yeah, I mean, I think I've been shouting from the rooftop since like, kind of middle, like beginning middle of last year of just like, echo, it's really freaking good. And he's, I think he's, I think he's probably going to make the Ryder cup team next year. Cool. Yeah. That was my takeaway to TC is I'd love to see some new blood, you know, stop relying on the sort of olds that have not gotten it done and get some young killers in for the, uh, thank you for, you know for sticking up for the American side, frankly. I know it's hard for you, but

it's good that you're rooting for us to get some young dogs in there. Tanner Iskra You guys got to follow the playbook, right? Chris Bounds That's true. Chris Bounds Eckrode, yeah, he just keeps chipping away. It's fun to watch guys that start out with all the raw materials and then just kind of keep getting, keep making things a little better and a little better and a little better. You get into some of these PJ Tour tests and even if you're not having overwhelming success at first, you figure out what levers you need to pull. It seems like his iron plays just keeps getting a little better each year and

you can see what the dividing line is between being a middle of the pack guy who keeps his card and being a guy who gets two wins in a calendar year. So yeah, fun, fun to watch. I also thought the golf course was really like pretty fun to watch, man. I mean, it's, it's the tiger golf course down there in Mexico that I don't know if I kind of Cardinal El Cardinal, which I don't know if I kind of slept on last year or, or what, but, uh, I was, I was really enjoying it. Kev, do you like the Cardinal? The Cardinal. That's right. That's right. And ask Benuel.

A little translated for you. I appreciate that. It means the Cardinal. Kev, any big takeaways from you this week on the PJ Tour? Not really. I mean, I love seeing Justin Lauer get in the mix. He's obviously been sort of friendly to a lot of us and has given us some good insights into the game.

Of that level, the players, the players that we've get in the mix. You know, he's obviously been sort of friendly to a lot of us and has given us some good insights into the game, you know, of that level, the professional level, we talk a lot about people who've just grinded and gotten so much out of their talent. I think Justin's a great example of like not giving up and like continuing to sort of earn your earn your living and earn your piece. And then someone these days, he's going to break through and it's going to be so great. Uh, I just,

it might be this week. It might be played really well in Bermuda last year, two years ago. Uh, but I mean, can you, to that point, like he's, I don't think I've seen anybody like, I'm not sure there's a single person in the entire sport. It's gotten better year after year after year for the last 14 years. He's gotten, I think he's gotten better year after year after year for the last 14 years. I think he's gotten objectively, like he's finished the season better than he did the prior year, every single year for the last 14 years. And granted he was starting from mini tours and D3 and all of that, but you know, like corn fairy tour for what felt like forever.

And then went 138th on the FedEx Cup a few years ago, 103rd last year, and now he's inside the top 80 and trending. And he's been pretty vocal about not loving the changes on the PGA Tour. I think in fact, he said he quote hates them. But I don't think it matters if he keeps playing like this and I think he's not one of those guys that wants to pull the ladder up behind him. Like he wants to see that. But

I think, you know, I would say to Justin, like, man, I think your, your tenacity and your consistency and your dedication like translates regardless of what the margins are or what like, like you were going to get to this point one way or another, I think might've taken a year or two longer, but man, like, you know, it's just, it's been cool to see. And he does what he gets. Just since everyone always kind of like gushes over the people like really pretty swings and stuff, just lower, not the prettiest swing. But as someone who also has a very not pretty swing, he might be my spirit animal. I really truly appreciate like just guy just goes hard at it. And he doesn doesn't hit it far He plays a very kind of almost outdated style of golf, right? I mean he it's it's yeah, i'm with you tc. It's very uh,

it's fun to watch and there's something kind of funny about and I would happily like say this to to justin's face as well where it's like We probably disagree on some of the the changes and you know What's best for the pj tour and what fans are most interested in probably runs counter to some of his And he's like, all right, we're going to make this shop a little closer, like a little smaller, a little smaller. Cool. I'll just have to keep playing a little better and a little better and a little better. And he's forcing him to, to this game every year. Exactly.

So I do love when you, when you see, uh, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the game, you know, the, in the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know, the, in the game, you know and a little better. And he's forcing him to, to this game every year. Exactly. So I do love when you, when you see guys like that, rather than some of the guys who, you know, bitched and moaned about a lot of stuff and then kind of finishing, you know, 208th in the FedEx cup or something like that. Puts his head down and gets it done. I think, I mean, I would say another guy like had the pleasure of playing with them earlier this year, Max Grazerman. Yeah. Just so good.

Big fan of his and like, what a season. He's second at three and second at Wyndham, finished T2 or finished, I think T2 with Zozo. Yeah. A few weeks ago and then and then, you know, top five here this week. So simply can't stop finishing in the top five. Yeah. Well, it's crazy. Yeah. So and, you know, Jaime Moreno, his caddy, actually, he carried abandoned for watch strong, strong. It's, it's wafting JT post and tendencies. I love it. Pounders young, he's got, I think he's got a better, better, better, better,

better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better. I mean, he's got, he's got a better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, and tendencies. I love it. Carson Young, Clayton Clemson. He's got, I think he's got a better mustache than Johnson Wagner. And I don't know. I just, I'm a huge fan. He could not be friendly or loves to fish. He's just, you know, slender ball striking doesn't really wow you with his game, but he just knows how to get the ball in the hole. And, uh, you know, he's, he's, I think he locked up top one 25 and, uh, good to see that. And then one more thing on Echorote, we got to get out of their shirts with the, with the zipper, uh, plaque.

You're gonna talk to your guy, Mike cores. I know. Yeah. I don't know. He might need to be voted off the project runway right now. Yeah. And then a good tidbit on Joe Highsmith, who was kind of in the wilderness in the regular season, didn't play all that well in his debut year and called up his coach at Pepperdine. This is per Brentley Realmine over at Golf Channel, called up his coach at Pepperdine. This is per Brentley Roman over at Golf Channel, called up his coach at Pepperdine and said, Hey, like, you know, I gotta, I gotta fix something. I gotta find something. And he said, well, why don't you just go back to your old swing field, which is a pull cut, which man, I might need to go back to my old swing field, which is a pull cut.

Because since then he's been absolutely feeding in the fall series. And, you know, it's basically, basically played his way from way outside to inside top one 25. Hard to find a place where the pull cut doesn't play. I'm kind of with you. I might need to just start leaning into that as well. Please come join me boys. I've been playing for five years.

I know that's what Neil's trying to get rid of it. He did his TPI video. He's like, Oh, I want it. I don't want to hit a draw, but I want to know what it feels like to hit a draw, which is an interesting thing we kind of unpacked. It was funny. I played with a couple of guys this week who hadn't played with me in a few years and they're like, Oh, TC, like your swing looks so much more normal now. Like it's like having the over the top move. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't want

to go back to the overtop move. I'm not playing as well. That's true. That's TC's at his best when he's aiming about 40, 45 yards right at the target and just terrifying playing partners that he's about to drive it directly into a fence or something only to hit the sprinkler line. So one of the big takeaways for me from this week, I think just kind of checking the board was like going down the leaderboard and just being like, oh, okay. Okay. Okay. And seeing some more of these names that like some of the events in the fall kind of checking the board was like going down the leaderboard and just being like, Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

And seeing some more of these names that like some of the events in the fall kind of become like who, who is that? What's going on? Uh, and this kind of felt like the best version of the fall where you had a couple of bona fide guys that are like, all right, I think they can make some noise next year. These are a couple of guys that keep popping up and kind of are starting to put together a pretty nice seasons. So I wanted to TC kind of take this opportunity to maybe just get on the record with let's call it

three guys each. We'll probably have some overlap. Who are some guys that people need on their radar now? Names you don't want to be hearing for the first time at AMEX, you know, a little bit of impress your friends, I called it type of type of names. Who's first on your list for that? Let's, let's go outside the top 50 on the FedEx cup. Outside of top 50. Well, I got a guy, listen, everybody's heard of this guy. He's a multiple time guest on this podcast,

but I think he's a post hype sleeper. He's healthy again for the first time in a while. Harold? It's Mav McNeely. Oh, yeah. I thought you were going to go Harry Higgs. Well, I had HG too. I had Mav on my list as well.

Yeah. I think Mav played well this week. I think he finished 53rd or he's 53rd right now after the Mexico event. It should be into the Genesis and like taking advantage of your good weeks. You know, like when it shows up, are you getting the most out of it? And he seems like he's starting to master that skill. I think he had 10 top like finishing the top 20, 10 times. This is the first time I've ever seen him in a game.

I mean, I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player.

I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's a great player. I think he's And he seems like he's starting to master that skill. I think he had 10 top, like finishing the top 20, 10 times this year very quietly. Like he's, he's just kind of stacking up, stacking up points and taking advantage of those. Like you said, he's on the other side of some of these injuries. I couldn't agree with you more. He was also on my list. Kev, what do you got? Well, I, I went off somebody who didn't play that great this week, uh, and hasn't actually had a great fall, but I still believe in, in Pearson, Cootie didn't make the cut this week, but I'm, I'm still buying long-term.

I think got a lot of game has really kind of a late bloomer. Uh, it wasn't like a really stud junior player, but I still feel like hits it. Uh, it's a long way, like really just solid, solid pedigree is gonna gonna still be like in the mix. I a long way, like really just solid, solid pedigree is gonna gonna still be like in the mix. I don't know about like early in the season, but as we're getting more reps here is gonna, I think, uh, be overall, like by the end of the year in the inside, for sure, the top 75 will say, just needs to stay out of those foot races with his brother. So, you know, broke his arm last year, I think, uh, TC, I think you're going to like this one. In true TC fashion, I am going to ignore my own

criteria here and I'm going to pick two roommates and I'm going to lump them together. Okay. And that is Michael Thorbjornsson and Koala Carl Phillips. Koala Carl. Who I believe both moved to your neck of the woods in Jacksonville. Michael is fully exempt through finishing number one on PJ tour. You already two top tens on the PJ tour. He has already been a stud. I can't wait to see what he does and kind of that first like really full go get it a season. I think he WD last week. It looked like he had a knee injury, So hopefully he's, he's all good.

Availability is the most important ability. Exactly. And it doesn't, I don't know that his floor super high, he's still kind of like, it's a lot of like miss cut or, you know, T 10 type of situation right now. But I think he's, he mashes the ball, uh, just, you know, prodigious length, but I'm, I'm interested to see what he does. And then Carl Phillips, who, just, you know, prodigious length, but I'm, I'm interested to see what he does. And then Carl Phillips, who, uh, also from Stanford came out of college, finished top 15, I think each of his first four corn fairy tour events. I think he, I think he runs pretty hot, uh, by all accounts,

probably a little bit of a, a bit of a fiery guy from Australia. And I'm just kind of curious, you know, ended up getting his card through, uh, the corn fairy tour and one, one out there. I'm just, I'm very curious. Uh, you know, we're always looking for personalities and, uh, for better or worse, sounds like he's got some personality. So I've been doing some, some due diligence on, uh, Mr. Kuala Karl. Yeah. You know, just calling around mixed bag. Yeah. It's either you love him or you

hate him. That's either you love him or you hate him. That's exactly right. Guys you played junior golf with or college golf with or, you know, guys that are out on tour now and truly a mixed bag. So, you know, my kind of guy, it sounds like though. Yeah. It's going to be interesting. Like a gamer. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I didn't realize. It's going to be interesting. Yeah. You might need to seek them out. Maybe, you know, if he's Australian, maybe he's a coffee guy, you know, maybe take him down for a pour over at, at bold bean or something. You can really start plumbing the depths a little bit. I, uh, I think on, on the Thor Brunson front, I'd also like to get him,

I think he should have opportunity to renounce his us citizenship or at least for team competition goes. Right. That's how we move by you. Is that right? Like he's got, you know, I think his, what is dad or somebody is, is Norwegian or Icelandic or something. I think that's right. We'll have to dive into that. All right. Who else you got on your list? I'm going a guy that I think is going to get his card via the DP world tour top 10 Trying to think who that would be Nicholas Norgaard

Okay, I saw this purely just in your notes. Looks like he's balling out. He's balling out. He's he's balling out. He won the One the British Masters won the Masters few a couple months. He's he's balling out. He won the one, the British masters, one of the masters a few, a few, a couple of months ago. He's, he was firmly ensconced outside the top 300 going into the year. Now he's firmly inside the top 100 this year. Talking to the crooked of the program, Rue McDonald about him. He's Danish. Rue said TC he's 32, but he's his best golfs ahead of him. Look out for this guy. He's going to make a serious run for the European Ryder Cup team. So I guess he absolutely moves it. He's a ball striker, ball striker, and looking forward to seeing him hopefully on the PGA tour next year. All right. I am going to go next with a guy that has been around.

He's been on some leaderboards already. You notice him because of his hat, of course, and kind of set the corn fairy tour on fire a little bit and then didn't really back it up. And now I think he's like really made some quiet improvements and is playing some really nice golf. Of course, that is Harry Hall. I think he's really improved his iron play a little bit. He makes a ton of putts. He's figured out how to win a decent amount. And I was checking it. I just, again, quietly playing really good golf, eight top 25s in his last 11 starts,

kind of balling out and figuring it out. So again, kind of like one of those guys that like gets his car gets punched in the face a little bit. And then, uh, he's got a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of good golfers, a lot of balling out and figuring it out. So again, kind of like one of those guys that like gets his car, gets punched in the face a little bit and then, uh, you know,

makes the proper improvements to, uh, take the next step. So I know he's a, you know, a PJ tour winner already, but I think he's one of those guys to just keep an eye on could, could pick off a big event or two. Kev. All right, dude, I'm going to go, uh, you know, I don't know if you've heard about this guy before. It's kind of an obscure name. His name is Jordan Spieth. Uh, he, uh, yes, it's somebody outside the top 50. Oh, that's bleak. And so, uh, he's doing 78th, you know, he's, uh, he's got a coming off a wrist injury. I expect big things. No,

in all seriousness, I do think that like he has been putting aside this injury for like years and years and years being like, oh, no, it doesn't, it's not, it hurts, but it's not, it doesn't bother me. Like it doesn't affect my golf. Finally, we're going to get that wrist right. Probably start slow in the season. Who knows? I don't expect like great competition,

but I think like come by the mid season, we're going to get to see the speed of not maybe a 15, but of like 17. We're gonna see that the man return. I hope so, my man. That's, I hate what you did there, but I appreciate what you did. And the rules, you know,

I was very, I kept asking about the criteria. Where are we gonna go here? Does it have to be speedy? Okay. All right, TC, one more. What do you got? Yeah. A lot of different directions we could go here. I could be a scumbag and choose somebody like DVStraightVibin or HE. Guys that have been hurt that are now healthy again. I'm not going to do that. Okay. And you know what? I think Matt McCarty should be off limits. I wasn't even going to say it. I thought that would be a poor taste. Exactly. And I'm going to go with Frankie Sappen. Nice. Minnesota zone. Yeah.

Coming off corn fairy tour, Minnesota zone, uh, Alabama guy as well. And you're roll tight. You know, you guys know I'm a big roll tie guy. Neil was talking about Alabama. Apparently he's hating Alabama's offense. They're running right now. Some sort of option that he hates. I don't know.

We could take that off. Well, they were just running that last night. Cause Brian Kelly, like his defense is just, you know, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, he always talking about Alabama. Apparently he's hating Alabama's offense. They're running right now. Some sort of option that he hates. I don't know. We could take that off. Well, they were just running that last night cause Brian Kelly, like his defense is atrocious right now. Gotcha. Anyway,

Be quickly waiting into the raw group and just be like, Oh shit, what am I doing? I gotta, I gotta get out of here. I don't know what I'm talking about. If you talk to any, anybody out there, he's one of the first names off their tongue. I was like, yo, that kid's like really freaking good. Like he's, he's going to win. So I'm bullish. I love it.

All right. Last one for me. This is a guy I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that I have super high expectations, but this is just someone I'm very interested to see play a full season on, on the PJ tour. That is Braden Thornberry. Uh, shortlisted a guy that just won so much as an amateur, won the

Jones cup, won the NCAAs, won the sunny Hannah one, just like absolute killer. Like can't miss this guy's going to be the dude. And then just got mired on the corn fairy tour, uh, since like 2019, he just kind of couldn't break through, couldn't break through no wins until his last start at the Corn Fairy Tour championship, which I think did him did enough to get his card. And now, you know, I don't know, I just have a soft spot for for guys like that that are absolute studs but don't get through the door right away and it takes, you know, a half a decade to actually kind of roll the boulder over the hill. It's just, again, maybe that's because the skillset doesn't, isn't there, or maybe, you know, his best golf is, is behind him or he peeked too early or like, who knows what the, what the reason is, but it's just, it's fun to see guys that are like bona fide winners, uh, get a chance to, to go out and, and figure

it out and just, you know, roll the balls out there and see what happens. So we'll see. Brayden Thornberry the balls out there and see what happens. So we'll see. Braden Thornberry, I'm excited to see what happens next year. Kev, you got one more for us? Yeah, I'm going off board again. I don't care if this is scummy. I'm picking Luke Clinton.

You know, he's not a pro, obviously. Still am at Florida State, but played so well in his PGA Tour starts that I feel like has the potential to be like a Spethian rise here. That like, this might be the next star of things. Like just going to come on and win a tournament, get his card. And then all of a sudden just like run from there.

And if he doesn't get his card, then you know, he gets to play the Walker cup at Cypress point, which feels like a pretty good consolation. All right. Well, listen, keep an eye out for, uh, you know, it's kind of that time of year. Start, start getting your fantasy, uh, fantasy golf teams, uh, all dialed Well, listen, keep an eye out for, you know, it's kind of that time of year. Start, start getting your fantasy, fantasy golf teams all dialed with maybe some under the radar guys. We had to come up with some games, maybe a draft or some sort of season long stuff. That stuff always makes, makes the season a little, a little stickier. I agree. I think, and we'll, we'll look towards the following weeks, next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week.

I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week.

I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. I'm looking forward to the next week. No, he shot 82 69. He was almost my pick, but that, that 80, he scared me a little bit. Which listen, I'm not, you know, I didn't know there was an 82 out there on this golf course. I know. That's like the, like I was talking to somebody who was down there.

He was saying, he said, Eckrode like chunked a chip like that at least three other times this week, like he did on 18. And he's still, he's still just and he's still, 2,500, one or 2,401. So, but anybody that says we don't need to cut these fields down, we got Robert Garragas, Eric Barnes, Troy Merritt, Tim Wilkins, Billy Andrade. Like these, these, these fields don't need to be any, any bigger than they are. They, they are. We can shrink it by 12 guys this

time of year, 24 guys this time of year. Everything's going to be fine. All right. I think that's right. All right, TC, before we're going to get into a little bit of LPGA, a little bit of DP World Tour, but before we do, I want to shift over to the ServPro Mea culpa realm. This is of course brought to you by our friends at Serve Pro, the number one choice in cleanup and restoration, making any disaster like it never even happened. I want to start with the good, which is the golf feuds podcast that KVV and Solly did that came out last week. I was listening to it on an airplane this week and just tears streaming down my face when you got to some of these old stories you're reading. If you have not listened to it, I give it my strongest recommendation. Kev in the first half talks through his, the golf feud that he picked is basically, I don't know, the whole of Europe

against the 1999 American Ryder Cup team. And really breaking down some of those quotes. TC would be a tough listen for you because they're really coming at some of your European heroes fast and heavy. As such, I have not listened to it yet. God, it was funny, man. It's so good. I had a bunch of people reach out and they're like, yeah, that's the best thing you guys have done in recent memory. It was fantastic. But Kev, the bad and the reason that we were going to make this to Serve Pro, Mea Culpa, there was a lot of great accent work. Some of, you know, your unnamed columnist from the daily

mail sounded a lot like sideshow Bob, I thought, but it was still still really good stuff. I think you wanted to apologize for maybe your Sam Torrance. Yeah. So, you know, when you put together this research stuff, you have a big long document of stuff and you know, it's a little bit, it's like you're on stage or trying to deliver a performance and trying to make Sally laugh. And I think as I started, I didn't anticipate doing a Sam Torrance accent, but as I was kind of reading, you know, I got halfway through it and I was like, Oh shit, like this isn't an English golfer. This is Sam Torrance, like one of the great, you know, Scottish golfers

got a really deep, wonderful Scottish voice. And so a lot of the Scots were very kind reaching out to me and be like, you know, Kevin, like really enjoyed the pod, great accents, but seriously like, fuck you for this, for your Scottish accent. So bad, like embarrassing, you're, you're uninvited. And so for our Sir Pro Mea Culpa thing, I just, I really wanted another shot at Sam Torrance's favorite quote. Which, which I think we need to, we need to set the stage just a tiny bit for those that are not familiar with any of this. Of course, the 1999 rider cup at Brookline, Justin Leonard,

17th hole makes a long putt. The U S team goes wild, very enthusiastically pointed out on the podcast. Nobody stepped in, in Jose Maria Olathobo's line. They are well on the other side of the green. Somehow this legend gets built up that like the entire team ran across all these putt before he putted and they spiked up his line and he had to putt it through this minefield. None of that happened. But you would not know it from any of these quotes,

which read like this one that you're gonna do from Sam Torrance here. Yeah, so Sam, for whatever reason, singled out Tom Layman as the number one enemy of America. Like everything wrong with America was embodied in Tom Layman. And Tom Layman really was a bit, for years, was that 50 cent gift of like,

what do you say fuck me for like, what the fuck I do. But I think Tom Layman, like the most upper Midwest, yeah, vanilla dude on the planet. Yes. But anyway, I think this quote really was one of our favorites from we're doing it. And I watched a couple of Sam Torrance videos and I just wanted to take one more crack at this because of how much I love our friends in Scotland. So here we go. It was the most disgraceful and disgusting day in the history of professional golf. The spectators behave like animals and some of the American

players, most notably Tom Lehman, acted like madman. This is not sour grapes. Definitely not. The whole American team and spectators run right across over all these line. He still had a part to tie the hole. We could still take the Ryder Cup home. It was disgusting. And Tom Lehman calls himself a man of God.

His behavior today was disgusting. Oh God. There you go. That email is KVV at nolegup.com. If you have any issues with that accent or any accents here in, I can't recommend reaching out enough. We got, we got more, more stuff about your Buffalo accent after the trip. Did I do a Buffalo accent? God, I didn't realize.

But everybody said it was a Long Island or a Chicago accent. Listen, the accents will never be our promise to be accurate in any way. Region, you know, country, historically, these are all restrictions applied. Yeah. Just started leaning into it. It's like that House of Gucci movie. You know, just yeah, that was a choice. I did that on purpose. Or like Sean Connery was like the captain on a Russian submarine, and he spoke with the Scottish accent and on for October.

Like, just go with it. All right. Just don't fucking think too hard about it. And I'm told it was it was a good never mind. We'll do it on the next, on the next, I think I'm going to mess it up again. And it's going to be one of those Russian nesting dolls of, of, of surf pro maya culpas. Speaking of Russian military, we're going to get to some LPGA coverage here in a second, but that,

that cleanup is brought to you by our friends at surf pro is of course this week's, uh, maya culpa section. Thank you to serve for a number one choice in cleanup and restoration, making any disaster like it never even happened. There you go. Sam Torrance quote never even happened. Thank you. KBB on the LPGA, a limb Kim wins the Lotte championship in Honolulu for her second career LPGA title. Her first victory since the 2020 us women's open. Uh, I believe she won in Houston TC. I believe you guys were on site for that one. Weren's really picked up on this. I don't know that there's any like mainstream coverage. I know Cody and Randy are kind of on this. I'm sure it's been mentioned on the LPGA pods, but our dad's basically in charge of the LPGA pods. So I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while.

I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while.

I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while.

I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for a while. I'm sure he's been on the LPGA pods for on this. I don't know that there's any mainstream coverage. I know Cody and Randy are kind of on this. I'm sure it's been mentioned on the LPGA pods, but our dad's basically in charge of the Russian company who's making all the missiles that are bombing Ukraine right now. I don't know, not her fault, but it's just an interesting thing that you would think that would come up somewhere. But anyways, she's playing really nice golf. I think she's like into the top 20 of the race, the CME globe, is going to have a chance to win 4 million bucks at the tour championship here in a couple of weeks. So, she went to the U, right? She went to the U. Just an interesting, I don't know. I found myself watching like these Russian news, kind of like, you know, bootleg investigative journalists kind of breaking it down on YouTube. I don't know. I was in some weird corners of the internet today, but you're going to get served up some good stuff. Sure.

No, no. Hasn't like looked into a princess arms dealer. Exactly. The win also bumps, uh, Alam Kim inside the top 60 from 65th to 22nd, uh, to lock up a spot at the upcoming tour championship. Uh, only other note I had possibly Angela Stanford, who's a big fan of the show,

but she's a big fan of the show and she's a big fan of the show. Alam Kim inside the top 60 from 65th to 22nd to lock up a spot at the upcoming tour championship Only other note I had possibly Angela Stanford's last LPGA event She made the cut finished t26 hit every green on the back nine. That was kind of a fun little Little stat anything on the LPGA from you guys before we moved on to the DP world tour NASA Continues to just play great golf. That's just so freaking good. So consistent. I love it. Uh, on the DP world tour, 39 year old Englishman, Paul Waring. Don't call me Paul Waring or maybe do. I'm not sure.

DJ at no laying up.com wins after a Saturday course record. 61 puts him in position at Yoss links. Uh, TC is this a certified BDE? It is. Yeah. Yeah. This is one that, that Tommy, Tommy went back to back at this is, uh, you know, it's, and he's, he might be the links master, right? It's a links course. Kyle Phillips design, uh, held off Rory Lowry, Tyrell down the stretch moves up to fifth in the race to do bystandings. And, uh, this puts them in line for a PGA tour card 2025.

I think he's like 39. So, uh, Matthew Jordan and Matt don't call me Mike Wallace both made runs as well. And uh, yeah, Torbjorn Olsen played well. Uh, I think it was just third top seven in a row this week. So half, half Blandy. Yeah. No, it's like, it's a double. Those are all, no, Blandy was in a, I think Blandy was in Bali this week on vacation after he played in the, he played in like the international series thing or the Asian sort of thing. And then he played awful. And he, and then just went to Bali on vacation. He had a big,

big Instagram story about this big rainstorm the other night at his resort. Otherwise Tommy shot 62 in the first round, set the course record. Uh, and then it was broken by, by wearing except for wearing, uh, they're not counting it as I'm not sure if they were, uh, lift clean in place. So, uh, no, actually, no, that was Q school. They are counting this one. Tister guard. Yeah. We can't report. Tommy shot of bogey free 62 is awesome. Other notables. Uh, yeah, Tommy faded. We're not worried about that. He's playing great golf right now though. Waco finished 23rd.

What else we got? We've got the tour championship next week in Dubai. The top 50 are teeing it up. The top 10 as it currently stands. Rory, I think Rory is so far ahead that like they don't even need to play it, but Laurie, Tristan Lawrence, Rasmus Hoygard, William Ho, all wearing, Tyrell Hatton, Tommy Fleetwood, Nicholas Noorgaard, Big Shot Bob, and Matteo Manicero. So, you know, we'll see what happens next week in I think 52 of the, I think they had to go down to 52 to fill the field. Like there's

two guys not playing, but KVV, you and Sally can find company in not being allowed in Scotland anymore. After Sally's big shot Bob, you know, slander. Well, didn't you renounce big shot Bob? If I'm remembering correctly. I did, I did, but that was for proper, that was like justified in doing so. Actually. Oh yeah.

Maybe Big Shot Bob shouldn't be allowed back in Scotland after those comments or shouldn't be allowed outside of Oban. Sure. TC. I was surprised to see you, you put a, uh, Charles Schwab cup championship update on the, on the agenda here. I, it seems like there's a specific reason for that. Yeah, it was, uh, listen, I didn listen, I didn't watched it. PJ Clark, the producer for the shotgun start showed up. He had a great video or great Instagram story, Twitter story from on site, all sorts of activations, but he was standing in front

of the giant inflatable colon that they have up there. The, uh, The coli guard. Yeah. Coal guard thing. So Steven Alker is probably going to win. I don't think he even has to do much this week to win. Bernhard Langer shot his age for the 22nd time on tour and a win this week, he was leading going to the final round. A win this week would extend his champions tour winning streak to 18 years in a row, which I think is every year that he's been eligible for the champions tour. Now, are all of those wins going to get stripped away?

Cause he was anchoring the whole time, possibly, but he's doing it still. Can't deny he's out there doing it. Like a replay challenge that comes at the end of his career that the race is done. Or is it. Yeah. I don't know. How will he be remembered?

Is there an asterisk there? What did, what an interesting thing cause for some of the players to be end of his career that erases them or is it? Yeah, I don't know. How will he be remembered? Is there an asterisk there? What an interesting thing caused for somebody to take up. That would be that would be inspiring. Oh, somebody on Twitter. It's it. Are you are you being facetious?

Are you there's a guy, a guy, an ex or Twitter or whatever, who like I had to block him like a year ago. Every single day, he would tag me in another video of Bernhard Langer anchoring. It was like his life's crusade. And it was incredible. You weren't willing to hear the message. No, I heard the message. I just heard the message over and over and over again.

Like I'm on your side here. And this is like Mark felt banging down Woodward's door here and you just like, no, no, no, I'm good. I don't want any part of this. I'm powerless in the face of Bernhard. Let's move on to a new segment we've been calling the E9. I want to get out ahead of this. We did this last week. I was not aware that our friends over at subpar podcast also have an emergency nine segment This is not a you know, a shot of aggression at our friends Colton drew over there

I we could call it anything. I don't care. It's you know, it's we're still early in it So if you got any nominees for what we should call this segment, please hit me or you know, maybe e9 emergency nine There's only like five golf terms out there. Anyways, you know, there's only so many to go mean, I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing.

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uh, that you would like to talk about here for our E nine segment. I will, I'll turn it over to you. Absolutely. I feel like the, all the war correspondent, do do do do do I'm reporting here from Belgium. All right. Number one on my list this week, uh, guys R guys, Rory tells our friend James Corrigan of the Telegraph that he will likely play a reduced PGA Tour schedule next year. Quoting Rory here, there are a few tournaments that I played this year that I don't usually play that I might not play next year. Like I played in

the Cognizant and Palm Gardens, the San Antonio and down at Hilton Head. I'll probably not play the first playoff event in Memphis. I mean, I finished dead last there anyway, tied for 68 and a 70 man field. And I only moved down one spot in the playoff rankings. Do you see that kind of feels like it reveals a little bit of a flaw in the playoff model if one of the guys certainly was contending for the championship, isn't even going to do it. But what does it mean?

Are we seeing less of Rory on the PGA tour next year? He already said all this stuff, didn't he? Like he said it kind of. We may go back on a little bit. I feel like I don't know if you've noticed TC, but Rory doesn't always like have consistency in some of his public statements. He is being consistency. He did say at this point, at this point in my career, hey, I'm 35. I've been out of here for 17, 18 years. I'm just going to go to the places that I enjoy and where I play well. Look, I've done the hard slog. I've done this sort of 25, 30 events a year and I'm not getting any younger.

I think, uh, you know, I think it's another dare to Jay, just like the, the upcoming match is of like, Hey, you can either like a match or a showdown. Oh, the upcoming show. DC regrets the air. Uh, yeah. You know, where it's like, Hey, you can find me for this or don't, but you know, I'm gonna like, this is how I'm going to operate. Cause I think previously a couple of months ago, you had said, Hey, I think I'm only going to play 18 to 20 times a year when, when you strip out the, the majors, the players, uh,

you know, most of the signature events, the events he plays on DP world tour, uh, you know, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room. In fact, it leads some, some shops, even not pulling all the signature events. It feels like he's saying like, I don't care if I want to skip signature events now. I'm not tethered to that. I'm sort of reading between the lines a little bit there. Which, yeah, I don't know. Which if we're going to go back to two years ago.

Or even if we're going to go back to we're all in this together. Why don't you guys just say nice stuff about the state of pro golf? It's like, dog, you're not even like playing all the events that are supposed to be the ones that are getting fans in the door. So it's like, I, like, I've totally forgot we're all in this together. It's a little good reminder that we're all together. I forgot on its face to, to have that stance of like, everyone just needs to work together to really bring pro golf back together and fix this thing. But I also kind of agree with what he's saying, right? Where it's like, yeah, man, you don't need to play these events. And if you are

looking out for yourself, then you need to take care of yourself and you need to, you know, not burn yourself out, not playing all these things. And so I'm, yeah. And the majors is the only thing that matters. Exactly. So yeah, this is much more, I'd put this in the folder of him saying he's going to, you know, he might play the reduced flight ball, even if the PJ tour doesn't adopt it type of camp. Like that goes with those takes over there, which are sick takes that I support. Skipping the playoff event is like, remember when, who was it? Westwood was, kept skipping the players.

That was sick. Him and some of the other Euros kept skipping the players. That was sick. Even some of the other euros kept skipping the players. Originally Phil and Tiger skips, you know, playoff events like they, this whole thing got off the ground by basically them being like part in your face. Like we're not doing this. We didn't agree to this. Sergio has used to skip the playoff events.

Yeah. Fincham and Phil were in a big like feud over the whole deal because Phil was like, I'm playing a, a sponsor's a pro pro am instead of going to the Deutsche Bank, whatever one year, and Spenzen was all pissed off. Guys, Rory also revealed and sort of interviews in the lead up to this week that he would really like as he sort of goes for, you know, the sixth race to Dubai title, he would like to go down as perhaps the greatest European of all time.

It got me thinking, what would Rory have to do to wrestle away that title from, I would say either Faldo or Seve. I think I would lean towards Seve. Faldo does have one more major, but Seve has a lot more wins. What would you guys say Rory would have to do to grab that theoretical title?

That's kind of the, are you a romantic or are you like a scientist, right? Like it's Faldo or Seve. I think Seve probably had much greater impact. Yeah. Generally speaking, right? Yeah. Could we even catch Seve? Like if he, I mean, maybe he wins four more majors.

It might be sort of more of an interesting argument, but. It's interesting cause Faldo had what? Six majors and he had three majors and three opens. And then he had five majors and he had two masters and three opens. Correct. Which I think Roy needs to get on his horse and start winning some, some majors that aren't it like congressional and Valhalla. That would be a start. I think the career grand slam goes a long way. I think if he can get the masters monkey off of his back, that, you know, tie six, that

would be a start. I think that's a good start. I think that's grand slam goes a long way. I think if he can get the master's monkey off of his back, that, you know, tie Seve, I don't know, doing it in an era where, you know, competition is, I would say much greater is, I don't know, I'm not a European, so it's not maybe, uh, for my, my place to, uh, decide who the best European ever is. But I think he, uh, that, that would rocket him up the rankings in my books. Or I was thinking about it too. I think he's a great guy. I think he's a great guy. I think he's a great guy. I think he's a great guy. I think he's a great guy.

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something pretty legendary, like off the golf course, which I wouldn't say any of the moves thus far would necessarily go down as legendary or, you know, we haven't even factored in any TGL team championships. That's true. You know, go with how many of those, you get the ball frogs, you know, Boston's not enough championships already. If you could set them up, in theory Faldo could still win some TGL.

That'd be sick. They too. That's getting so much run on those hidden links commercials right now. You know, every time I see it, I want to put my foot through the TV. He's got that hidden links embroidered robe and just whip it around in his sports car. Okay. He's always wearing Holderness and born stuff. I'm like, man, I'm going to hold on. Just whip it around in his sports car while KVV is stuck at the airport. He's always wearing Holderness and Bourne stuff in it too.

I'm like, man, I always text. I'm going to hold my phone. I'm like, you're getting so much run from Faldo. He hopped on that chopper while KVV is stuck drinking a beer at the airport. I'm the fucking at the embassy at Saigon and Faldo is taking off and leaving me behind. That's how I feel, DG's. There's no like bringing every man along for the road. It's leaving me behind. God. All right, guys. So Seve had 50 European tour wins and nine PGA tour wins. You know, Roy's got, how many does Rory have? Roy's got 26 on the PGA Tour and 17 on the European Tour.

Now we'd have to count out their national opens as well. I know that's an important thing for Rory, but I imagine Seve's got plenty of national opens. Seve basically recalculated the Roll Rider Cup too. Like he reframed the entire event essentially. So I don't know. I don't know if it's catchable. I think he might not be able to do it.

I kind of agree. Yeah. It's, it's, it's just steeped in too much lore. I feel what if Rory goes conversation, maybe rider cup is part of it. Then if rider, if, if Rory just goes out and goes like four and one, five and oh, for the next four rider cups that would remember Roy threw down the gauntlet and said they're going to win at Bethpage this year, which I think is a pretty thick prediction. Put that in the win column if and when we do. I believe in Rory.

All away from home. That would be a pretty cool thing. It's just funny to me that everybody's looking at Rory's 2024 in the context of Pinehurst. I think Rory played some of the best golf he's played in a long time this year. And it seems like he's, he doesn't, he's aggressively trying to not be beholden to anybody right now. So it's like, cool. I'm betting on him to play really, really good golf into 2024 and 2025. He did reveal that he has been undergoing a swing change that he basically just hit into a screen.

Maybe this is part of the TGL practice thing, but it into a screen for like three weeks practice for the temple. Yeah, trying to get the club less across the line. You got to, you got to be prepared for the temple TC. If you're going to, you're going to be a hero. You got to go on the temple. We didn't even realize that there's a strip of rough, like graduated rough before the ending.

I also didn't realize it's like 500 some yards. Yeah. Oh, it's long. Really long. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the weirder the TGL holes get, the more I'm in on this. I know. More to come on that. Yeah.

Later in the show. All right, guys. Item number two, back to Rory again he took some time to answer a question about how the presidential election might speed along a potential merger between the pj tour and the pif. I think from the outside looking in it's probably a little less complicated than it actually is but obviously Trump has a great relationship with Saudi Arabia he's got a great relationship with golf he's's a lover of golf. So maybe who knows, as the president of the United States, again, he probably got bigger things to focus on than golf. And I actually, but I really want to focus on the second part of this quote here where Rory said, he's got Elon Musk beside him, who I

think is the smartest person in the world. I might argue that that is not the best take, but I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on who is the smartest person in golf? Who would you sort of signal out as the person you'd most be like, I have supreme faith in their intelligence. You know what, I'll stick up for Elon for a sec. I think Elon is very smart. I didn't say Elon's not smart. I just said that I don't know that I would call him the smartest person in the world. That leads me into my answer. There's different kinds of smart, right? That's where I was going to go.

If you're going like standardized tests, you know, I think it's some of those people we've met in like Titleist R&D. I'm like, yeah, I think those guys are probably- That was the first guy on my list. Mike Madsen. Yeah. I think that's where it's like, yeah, they'll figure out whatever problem you have to solve. But it's probably, that's probably not quite as fun.

I think there's probably some more recognizable names. More well-rounded people. You know what? I had Ben Crenshaw on my list. As far as just, I think there's different kinds of intelligence and I think he's very socially intelligent. He's very, like, he's got a great sense of like historically intelligent. He's got a great sense of context and how to tie,

tie things together with golf that are seemingly unrelated. Um, you know, he would be, he would probably be one of my, one of my tops right there. I had two and I could go either way. Anytime Mike Wallen's talking, maybe he's just a really good salesman, but anytime he's talking, I'm hanging on every word and he's just such a good communicator. I think he's very deferential to experts on his team,

which is a certain type of smart. He knows how to manage people and teams and get stuff done, which I really appreciate. But I think my final answer kind of, I maybe swimming in similar ponds to TC just cause they've worked together a lot, but I'm going to say Mike Kaiser. I think a guy that just doesn't really make a lot of wrong steps kind of seems to know, you know, very calculated and everything he's doing and never seems to really make the wrong call. Has his finger on the pulse of what people love. Um, he'd be my answer. I have a wild card out there. Yeah. I'm going to say, uh,

this is a totally off the board pick, but I thought like John Rom, uh, basically taught himself English entirely. I'm always really, really impressed whenever I hear John talk. And I'm really impressed that when people are able to essentially crack jokes in a language that they did not grow up in, that to me is like, okay, you have a brain that works on a really another level entirely because it's pretty rare that you ever hear an American fluently speaking Spanish or French or whatever. And then the media being like, oh, wow, this guy is so...

But John is very clever and he can make, I think, kind of really interesting provocative statements, both in English and Spanish. And I think he has a very good sense of history of the game. I think you could argue that john played the live PJ tour stuff better than anyone got got mega paid out of it. I think he got mega paid out of it. I think that I think the whole suggestion that he has like enormous regrets is pretty looks pretty silly to be honest, in the retrospect, like he's just a competitive person who in the end, like in the moment,

doesn't love like what's going on, but ultimately like is going to be fine with however it sort of plays out. And if you told John like, there's no BJ tour ever again, he'd be sad, but he'd be like, all right, fine. I'm just going to go and keep, keep grinding. I think it was honestly, I think he's going to have a huge year. I think he's going to be really good this year. I was asking others about this too. They're saying, like I was talking to Nico, Daris and Shane begging about Marty Jertson. And he, everybody says like, he's just out there smart as far as like, he doesn't take half swings.

He swings, he just changes up his ball, he plays a different ball. What? Like I'm like, if it's not a one ball tournament, he'll play a different ball on each hole or each part three if he knows he's gonna have to hit a certain distance. That's crazy. Who else? The cat. I mean, if we're just talking golf, like golf, golf, golf. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think the cat's overall intelligence. Maybe. I don't

know. I'm just thinking about other people that I've had the smartest decisions in life. Like, you know, I know, Mickelson's listening to this and saying like, pick me, pick me, pick me. Phil, I'm not going to pick you. Greg Rose. Yeah. Like he's crazy smart. I think. I think Anne Walker from Stanford is someone I've just like flabbergasted by.

Paul Goitos is up there. Yeah. He's like, I think it's, you know, I was talking to Wolfie about this too. It's like people that, that are very humble in their opinions and, and seek out differing opinions and are really, you know, kind of, uh, intent on that. I think I'm like, Hey, tell me I'm why I'm wrong or Hey, I want to learn more about this. I think that's, that's so anyway, Kev before, uh, before we move on, can I give you a word from our friends at Roback? Please do.

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the end of this week. That is Roback spelled R H O B A C K dot com That's gonna get you 20% off all bottoms q-zips hoodies and more with code NL you This is summer, but I'm just gonna say the fall also not the same without row back Kev you got a favorite row back piece. You're rocking right now. I Just I can't get enough of the hoodies. I think I have seven of them. They're just like I you know every time we get them in the shop I'll grab another one, another color just so I can you know basically like it's it's all I'm gonna rock from one day to the next in the winter. Here here thank you to Roeback for all the support all year. It's an embarrassingly large portion of all of our closets at this point. I'm sorry KVV back to the back to um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,

um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, because he was off hitting balls. It finally got Bryson to come up on the stage where he was given a nice round of applause. Guys, who is the funniest possible person in golf that a president elect could welcome onto the stage? God, a lot of a lot of directions. I feel like Gary players up there. I think he's on, he's got to be on all of our lists. Just giving him the mic for five minutes would be a treat. Weirdly, I put Billy Horschel on here. That really made me laugh. It was just like Billy had some really interesting ideas about some

farming subsidies that we're working on. He's read the Wikipedia page and he's diving in on that. Had him on my list. Had Jungle Bird on my list. Uh, just kind of an environmental like Davis, just kind of an environmental folks. It's got to change the security at all future events. He loves the trees. Kev, who'd you have? Uh, this, for this example, I had to Arnold Palmer's family, uh, would, would have been great. Uh, this, for this example, I had to Arnold Palmer's family, uh, would, would have been great. All of them. I mean, that was the closing argument to the election is that he just Sam Saunders and

all of, uh, all of our knees, uh, other grandkids, whatnot up there would have been hard to argue Jim justice. That's a good one. Yeah. We'll have to wheel them up there though. He's not the most mobile man these days from what I read TC. And he's kind of quasi in golf these days. I also had Yasser in the cowboy hat or Greg Norman or Greg Norman.

Yeah. I think just to shout out to those guys would have been really good. I mean, what's a slugger would have been good too. Honestly, I was the other one I was thinking about was Hal Sutton. Just like big cowboy hat, like, you know, pointing at the audience. This presidency is now in play. Alright guys, item number four. This is our architecture corner.

Trevor Dormer was announced as joining King Collins Design. He'll now be known as King Collins Dormer. Trevor and Rob have been friends for many, many years of families have sort of vacation together and they decided, you know what, we want to finally want to work together. We sort of have the same philosophies and see things the same way. TC, I know this was kind of someone perked your interest. What did you think about this announcement? I liked it. I think Dormer has been been on some cool core Crenshaw projects. I know him and Rob worked together at Yokohama over in Japan, place I'm dying to see. I think he's been working lately at Old Dane, the other little nine hole

course down the street from Landman owned by the same family. And he worked on Cabot Cliffs. I know he worked on the other Cabot course down in St. Lucia. So, and I think he did land man with Rob as well. So, you know, good stuff. I think, you know, nobody loves the Canadians more than I do. I like the Western Canadians guys. I like anybody, you know, Canadian Rockies, big fan. Also cool too, just not a lot of, I don't know, it's kind of hard for any of these guys to totally break through on your own and, you know, try to have your own design firm under your own name.

It's just, it's a really tough, uh, tough road to hoe. So having, you know, teaming up with someone like Rob and Tad and it's just, yeah, it's good. I think it portends that there's expanding, right? Yeah. That there's a lot of projects that are, you know, that are, you know, that are, that are really, really, really, really, really, really, really Rob and Tad and it's just, yeah, it's good. I, I, it's good too. I think it portends that there's expanding, right? Yeah. That there's a lot of projects in the hopper for them and,

and even more that we don't know about. Uh, guys, uh, in further architecture news, the, the TGL people were sort of fired up about the temple, uh, this last week, TC, I'm gonna, you know, I'll rely hard on you for some insight into this. This way, we learned that the brontosaurus would not fill the TGL screen. Tell me what the what you want us to go from there. Yeah. So every Thursday, they're gonna do a will-it-fit post on Instagram. And this week, we learned that a brontosaurus would not fit on the screen.

Bigger than a brontosaurus. It's too wide. It's the it's, it's, uh, the screen's tall enough with the brontosaurus is too wide. They also released the hatchet template, which, uh, which looks like, looks like a hatchet. So, uh, I'm kind of in on the hatchet. Uh, website now is kind of a, how far are we looking here? 448 yards. Yeah. I've been from an aerial looking down. It looks like a hatchet, like very skinny fairway, uh, So the website now is kind of a, how far are we looking here? 448 yards. Yeah.

I mean, from an aerial looking down, it looks like a hatchet, like very skinny fairway, and then it opens up, you know, to kind of where the blade would be. So yeah, kind of fun. Some options. Yeah. We've got like 25 more, you know, holes that they're going to announce. And I'm telling like, there's too many of them on their site right now. Of the 10 that

have been announced. They're too normal looking. I know I was disappointed when I saw your thing in here that the hatchet had been released. I was really hoping it was going to be a little wilder, but just kind of a normal golf hole. It's the is how much is the Nicholas design stuff TC is involved in this. Is that I think it's like they did the whole thing. They did the hatchet. Cause I saw they were Jeff. this is a thing. It's like I did the whole thing. They did the hatchet because I saw they were Jeff. Some of the most

now it's like the American Indians just use, you know, they were, you know, if you ever read, you know, there will be blood. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, the damn failed. Yeah, at Ohupi, which is wild. Yeah, what does it mean long-term? Do you see, is there any like real damage to the club? I mean, just obviously.

I think Walrath's got funny money. He's just gonna rebuild it. But it, yeah, like all the lake next to two and three kind of totally emptied out and then it kind of washed away some elements of four. So I'm sure they'll fix some stuff up there. And then lastly, this is not necessarily architecture, Jason, but I had to put it in there because it was the

highlight of my week. USGA. They've had some great, great posts lately about the social. Yeah. And yeah, they're there. You know, some of these social posts are slapping. And so they had a post about, can you, as you're looking for your golf ball, especially in the fall here, can you use a leaf blower? And if your ball moves before you found it, or like in the process of finding it,

is that a penalty? It's not a penalty. Really? If it moves after you found it, like as you're cleaning off the area, it is a penalty. It's a one shot penalty, but otherwise, if it moves in the course of finding it, you can replace it for no penalty

and you are allowed to use the leaf blower. So. That's great. I saw a little Instagram ad last year around this time. There's like a little skinny leaf blower that like fits in your bag. That's so sick. I know, I might need to get one of those.

We are in leaf season right now. It's gonna be, I'm planning Tuesday. I know I might need to get one of those. We're in leaf season right now. It's going to be Tuesday. I'm a little worried about it. There are golf courses and I see them sometimes on Instagram all the time where they have at every hole on every green. They have a leaf blower that just sits there like an excellent. So you just blow the leaves off the green as you're getting ready to putt because you know, how annoying is it when you have to like individually pick up all the leaves off your off the green to sort of give yourself a line to the hole. So I would, I would put You know, how annoying is it when you have to like, individually pick up all the leaves off of your,

off the green to sort of give yourself a line to the hole. So. I would, I would put this in play if I lived up in the Northeast still, if I lived in New England still, I would, I would absolutely do this. DJ, it reminds me of when we, we were at Harbor Town. Two tours out of my math. And DA points, the pride of Peking, Illinois,

waited, he made everybody wait for like 15 minutes to get a rules official with official leaf blower out there. Blow off this line on the green, the second green. It's a core memory. Uh, I remember that should have heckled. T.C. If you guys got a line on any mobile leaf blowers, uh, send them our way. Cause they got some like little mini ones that I bet, I bet the pad in the hat has them. That's right. Uh, right. I mean with his and the hat has him. That's probably true. Right? I mean, with his DeWalt deal.

Yeah, that's true. All right, guys, let's move on. Item number five, PGA of America is conducting a CEO search as we know, but it sounds like from some of your intel, TC, that they're landing on Roger Warren, past PGA president and current CEO of Kiowa Island. Per Golf Magazine, a PGA of America official said the association was aiming to name was replacement before the PGA's annual meeting, which is scheduled for November 4 through 7 in Milwaukee.

Deidre, we might have to send you in there as a mole just to, you know, break this news. This was last week. Oh, that's right. They still haven't announced anybody. Decision making process was slowed by talks. The association was having with another candidate, the top executive at a leading golf equipment manufacturer. That candidate is no longer in consideration.

I wonder who that could have been. Yeah, it looks like Derek, Derek Sprague, the GM at Sawgrass TPC, Sawgrass and David Reisner, the head pro at Ridgewood country club or the other two finalists in addition to the last minute Dark Horse. Guys, what do we want to see from a CEO for the PGA of America? Obviously some big decisions coming up for that person. It's kind of amazing just to see their intention of having either a past president of the PGA or a club pro picked. And it's, you know, they've had, I think Roger Warren's like 74 or 75 years old.

He was the president of the PGA 20 years ago. So I don't know, it's just kind of a weird hole that they're trying to fill, I guess, or how they're trying to fill it. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of said this when we were talking about the job search a couple of weeks ago, but I think maybe some better clarity around just like what the PGA of America

is and what it does and who it's supporting. Because a lot of it is, I know you do the PGA championship in the Ryder Cup and I see whiffs of the junior league and a couple other things, but it's like, I don't connect the dots for me between $750 Ryder cup tickets and like what good you're providing. Hashtag growing the game. Through the game of golf, because I know it's there. I know they do stuff. They just do a very bad job of telling that, uh, telling that story.

So whether that's supporting club pros who don't, I don't know. I know a lot of club pros. They don't seem super supported. Uh, like how does, I don't understand really what know a lot of club bros. They don't seem super supported. Like I don't understand really what goes into the organization. So that would be a selfish request from a new president. And don't tell us that via ad inventory. Yeah, get a little creative. Talk like a human being. Like a house ad during the rider cup or during the PGA championship. That's not how we want to learn it.

Which in reality, I'm going to guess this person's number one job is just like avoiding a lawsuit for price fixing with the other majors and you know, purses and all of that stuff. So I'm sure it'll be really interesting stuff like that. Making sure that all the rider cup players are wearing hats. That nature. All right guys. TC, you know, we don't talk golf on the trap draw, like that. Making sure that all the Ryder Cup players are wearing hats. Things of that nature. All right guys, TC, you know we don't talk golf

on the trap draw, but we love it when trap draw related things come up in the golf world. Item number six is that the Denver International Airport is adding golf simulators to Concourse A. I put this on there specifically for you. Is it, you know, I know we're not a big fan of Denver as an airport, although you are a bigger fan than I. I have to pass through there a lot basically every time I go through Montana. Can the Denver Concourse A be improved at all with golf simulators?

It's a complicated one. The last thing I want to do, I had a bunch of people, I posted something from DIA the other day. I was coming home from California. And first of all, I want to shout out DIA. They had 19 inches of snow. And my flight got in from San Francisco and out to Jacksonville with like an hour long delay. The de-icing stations were dialed. It was operational excellence. I went to Route Down, my favorite. I think it's the best airport restaurant in the entire country out in Concourse C. Concourse A doesn't have a lot of good food. And a bunch of people reach out and say, Hey, did you go to the golf simulator? I didn't. And I haven't been to the golf simulator

at MSP either. You know why? Because the last thing I want to do when I'm, when I'm riding between flights is like Jack, my background and hit golf balls and get all sweaty. That's like, I don't understand, like maybe, maybe a putting studio or something, but I don't have any desire to hit balls in the airport. That's just, maybe if I had an eight hour delay. Yeah. I'm sure there's only so many simulators we're talking about here. So it's probably a pretty small audience that he's like, you know, I just got bodied by delays and I'm going to be

here for six hours. Who are actually going to take advantage of this, but I'm kind of in the camp of Denver. Why don't we get like the trains moving regularly? Why don't we get, you know, why don't we make sure like, you know, I'm feeling like I'm going to have a panic attack between, you know, between gates. Cause there's 13 million people running around inside that place. Uh, it's just, there's a lot of other stuff that Denver needs to fix. Can I get a lot worse before you start including all simulators. It's really hard to get excited about this.

KVP. Talk to the Illuminati who obviously runs the Denver airport. So, uh, we'll, we'll put in a request officially with them. Uh, guys, item number seven, uh, saw this at the PGA show, PGA, uh, sort of equipment show, whatever show it is. Uh, I don't know how to sort of categorize it, but the PGA show next month, the musical guest was announced. Uh, It is going to be third eye blind. The press release to announce this celebrated the authors of semi charm kind of life and how's it going to be by saying in recent years, the band each I put this in for you has continued to have gained artistic clarification as we are, I guess, rethinking the reputation of

Third Eye Blind. It's surprisingly their fan base is younger and more dedicated than ever. Guys, as much as excites me to imagine a bunch of white dudes in half zips rocking out to Third Eye Blind in a motorcycle drive. The real question I wanted to ask here is, uh, what is your take on music on the golf course? Are you in favor against or indifferent? Uh, wildly in favor. I think that that should be with, you know, go without saying, can I real quick? Uh, when I was in high school, uh, there's a, there's a music venue up here, actually in Milwaukee and called the rave.

Anybody who's been to Milwaukee will laugh. They used to do this thing on like these weekday shows that were like, Oh, if you're a local band and you can guarantee that you're going to sell like a hundred tickets or something, we'll let you play on one of the side stages at like 4 PM. You can say that you were opening. And, uh, my band did that when I was in high school, four third, I blind. So I was, uh, they've always had just a very, a very fun, you know, like a peer. Yeah, exactly. So I, uh, you know, I, I, for one,

I'm happy that they're gaining some, uh, artistic clarification. Um, I think that's, that's exciting. What was the name of your band? We're not going down that road. TC. I'm sure there's, uh, I don't want any, any Google sleuthing going on on that pod. We're not, we're not, we're not going down that road. TC. I'm sure there's, I don't want any, any Google sleuthing going on on that front. Your following is not going to be younger or larger. If you don't share that, we're totally, we're comfortable with our fan base. We don't, you know, we're not trying to get younger or, or more dedicated. Certainly less dedicated. I'm a, I'm agnostic on music on the golf course. I will say there's nothing worse than bad music.

What constitutes bad music on a golf course? Like what, if someone's playing, what are you like, Oh my God, like I can not do this. Yeah. I struggle with stuff that like doesn't have a lot of rhythm or like, like that just kind of herky jerky. Um, it doesn't, you know, like I need, I'm fine if it's like intense or whatever, but just, it's just gotta have like, like even some rap stuff. I'm just not, I'm not into if it's got like, if it's, it's got a nice beat and a melody to it, I'm good with it. But otherwise it's like, man, I cannot get down with like the just spitting bars on the golf course or, you know, but listen, I'm also the guy that like my son told me this morning.

He's like, Dada, you really like Jimmy Buffett. Cause I've been listening to Margaritaville radio, like almost nonstop. Paying your respects to exactly gone. I can't still, I still can't believe he died. Pink Floyd I think is good sort of a background music for golf course. I always enjoy that. Even though I'm not even like a huge Pink Floyd fan, but whenever I hear it, I'm like, Oh, like, this is sweet. I'm obviously a jam band guy. And I think that always plays any, anything that kind of meanders and wanders all around. Like the worst

part about listening music on the golf course is like, you know, you, I feel like you're usually in a cart while you're doing it. And if you hear some great, you know, pop song or something, that's three minutes long, like you might hear the first 15 seconds and then you got to go like run across the fairway and you're going to, you know, you're going to miss the whole thing. Whereas that's why, you know, you listen to some jam band stuff and you can kind of, you get what you get, you know, you pop in, you pop out, you're not really missing anything. You always feel like you can pick up the thread. That always plays. Irration, Revolution. Like that's big down here in Florida and Jax.

I agree. The, the irration radio is always, always great. You know what I've really loved? Our friend of ours, Joe's Wickel, former caddy at, at Pinehurst, now caddy's out of Bandon. I remember we were playing one time and he fired up like this, it was all this like 80s surf music, like Merman and some of that kind of stuff. I still listen to that all the time. So shout out to Joe. I don't know if I was there or if I just had a separate incident with Joe

where he was playing that surf music, but that was very, I remember that very much too, like covers of like all kinds of weird music that were in the surf sort of Beach Boys style. Yeah, thinking about this, I kind of want to like test some things out. Like I would love to get a massive speaker on my cart and just play classical music. Sure. I can see that.

That zens me out a little bit. It's good. Give it a shot. Let the people report back. Yeah, I would say Dej, don't sleep on just hooking the speaker to your bag and then walking. Like that's, I don't need the cart situation to have a speaker. I, especially if I'm playing alone, love to just kind of stroll around and have that on the back. I hit the AirPods if I'm playing alone usually. I'm always worried they're going to fly out. Maybe it's, I just have wider ear

channels. Maybe the guys at the match and the showdown are worried about that too. That's true. Or somebody's going to yell four and I won't hear it. And I was getting your brain. That doesn't happen in America. Nobody else for All right guys. Item number eight, Mike one did a Q and a with Max Adler of golf digest this week. Uh, not a lot of sort of, uh, I guess really interesting things that came out of it.

Some talk about the rollback and how they'll, uh, do it. I, you know, go check it out if you're a sicko about this kind of stuff. But one answer did sort of pique my interest. Uh, he it, you know, go check it out if you're a sicko about this kind of stuff. But one answer did sort of peak my interest. Uh, he sort of said, there was a question about how amateurs, uh, are complaining constantly about these ex pros who get their AM status back and then come and win like these state AMS and, uh, and one basically said like, Hey, like play better, like, uh, you know, it's all about getting the ball in the hole. Uh, it doesn't matter.

Like if somebody used to play professionally or not, this did not sit well with our guy, Sally, who has to, you know, get kicked in by all these ex bros all the time down in Florida. I, you know, I guess I was kind of curious of what you guys think about, you know, ex pros getting their AMSAT is back. My favorite instance of this in history is one that always baffles me most is Gary Nicholas, Jack Nicholas's son, had 122 career starts in the PGA Tour, including losing to Phil Mickelson in a sudden death playoff at a PGA Tour event. And then he got his AM status back somehow after he couldn't hack as a pro. And then when he turned 50, he turned professional again in an attempt to make it on the champions tour. That's my roundabout way of asking, should pros be able to come Ames again? I don't know. I kind of side with, I kind of side with one a little bit on like, man, we're trying to do this golf ball rollback. We're trying to figure out how a $25 million

U S open purse is sustainable. Like I just don't know if this is on the top of my, uh, my priority list right now. I think it's kind of one of those things. Like if it was a, you know, if it's a ballot measure, if I can vote on it, I'd be like, yeah, sure. I make it a little tougher, but really I don't know that I feel all that strong. It's more of a solid problem. I just think it should be longer. I think the probationary or the waiting period should be longer. Like if you made over a million bucks on the tour or had a hundred starts on corn fairy tour or PGA tour or had a PGA tour card for three or four years, like you should have

to wait a decade plus. Like, I don't know. I just think at some point and then certain, yeah, like, and then going back pro again, it's like, no, you shouldn't be able to turn pro once you've gone back to amateur again too. But it's muddy water now with all the, you know, eligibility and NIL stuff as well. But I think it is a little bit, you know, it seems like some of these guys that turn pro and then aren't pro or increase the age limit for the mid-amp to 30. I think that would do a lot of good things as well. Okay. So I think if you haven't been a pro or if you've been a pro, you have to wait until you're 40 again.

I can wait till you're 40 to be a pro again. I like it. You like that? Sure. I'd vote for it. Did you want to, there was other couple of things in there about sort of some of the historic venues that and the intent around the rollbacks or anything that kind of caught your eye.

He had kind of broached. Hey, here's one of the reasons we are doing the rollback stuff and it sounds like You know, he's like hey, it's not going as far as I wanted it to it's you know But I also don't want to throw everything into chaos and split the the amateur game game and the pro game. So this is what we've settled on. And, and, you know, kind of, kind of intimated that he'd had some conversations with various equipment people that said, Hey, like, I'm glad you're in your shoes and I'm not in your shoes. Like, this is a tough decision. But he did finally say, like, and I'm not sure anybody's actually laid this out prior was about how just like having to trick a venue up to go have a major tournament there isn't healthy or a qualifier

for that matter too, because they have to do that for some of these qualifiers. And so trying to make it so, Hey, we have, you know, like moving forward, because he kind of acknowledged, Hey, like, we're going to be back in the same place in five to 10 years. We're just trying to basically make it so that the current place is the limiting factor or that's the outer limit here. And so I think like a Marion, for instance, or a Pebble, like Friday Egg Newsletter had a great thing in there about, oh, does this mean that you won't mess with the mowing lines

at Pebble again? Because those are atrocious the last couple of times you've been there. And see, it's a good question of like, you know, a Marion or a Pebble or something like that. Like if you don't want to have to manipulate a place, are those places already outside the realm of being able to host? So we'll see. But I like the acknowledgement that architecture is at the core of this. Because I think it's one of the things that makes golf special is, you know, like the venues matter. The venues are what, you know, a big ingredient in what makes the game what it is. I really liked that Q&A too. Just his, it seems like he's narrowing his focus a lot.

And, you know, there's a line in there about how at times we've listened to too many voices and we've kind of lost our way about like what the USGA actually is and what's best for the game of golf and trying to keep everyone and everything possible happy. And just getting a little bit of clarity on, on what the USGA's mission is and what there exists to accomplish. It was really good, really good Q&A. So I would recommend everybody seek that out with Max. I would say they're probably listening to too many voices on the national team and the development team front right

now. It sounds like that's an absolute dumpster fire. I gotta dive in. Don't know. Guys in our closing hole here, just thought of this as kind of a throwaway thing. Warren Stevens, who was the chairman of Augusta National in 1997 when Tiger won his first Masters, was on the Golfers General Pod this past month and he said that when Tiger won his first Masters, he allegedly handed the golf ball in which he made the final putt to Stevens' son. Stevens and his

family do not know where this golf ball is. Could be anywhere. Could be in a drawer, their house could be in a black site somewhere. Is it Jack Stevens? I believe it's Jack Stevens, the lotion. I don't know, guys, have you ever lost anything like a ball marker, a club, a head cover, that you would give just about anything to get back? give just about anything to give, get back. Did you got anything? Yeah, I have kind of come to peace with losing it, but I've only made one hole in one. It was, I was playing with Andy Johnson

at Stoughton Bray in Michigan. You know, little eight iron from 162. Made it, going nuts, having the best day ever. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one. I was like, Oh, that's a good one.

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And Andy's like, oh yeah, sorry, I shot the trees. My bad. And so I lost my hole in one ball. Trust me, verify, man. Yeah. So that's on me. I should have verified the number, but I owned a hole in one ball for about seven minutes before I immediately lost it.

But, you know, wouldn't mind having that one back. Yeah. Yeah. On your list. Yeah. This is like the, this is so douchey, but they have these, these ball markers at Cyprus that are so old school and like they're they're so they kind of fade out really easily. They're the plastic. I like little plastic ball markers

with the little stub in them and everything. And I got one. I used it till it was broken. Like the little stub broke off. And then actually a friend sent me another one. Use that one. Lost that one recently and got another one. They're using a different provider now. And it's like a much, it doesn't have the same patina and the same kind of worn look and it's much darker forest green on the, on the white thing. It's not as retro looking. So, you know, it, I'm bummed.

Kev, you got any? You know, I've certainly lost a couple of ball markers that were sort of special to me. I used to, I would buy like, I buy this because of this, but I had for years, like a silver dollar from 1977 when I was born and I would use that as a ball marker. And everyone was like, oh, that's a cool, like not a quarter, like a who's over at all. And be like, Oh yeah, like this, I just found this around my parents' house, uh, lost that.

And then I would sort of fake it by trying to buy like ones off of eBay from the same year. And it just didn't feel as special. And then I would lose those too. So that would probably be one of those things that, uh, I always have this fantasy in my head of like, you know, where, where does something like that end up? Like if you, you know, and it was the ball might still be there. I'm still in the forest. Like we could go there and, you know, maybe when they plow that forest to put up comments, like you'll get that ball back. But, uh, you know, just where are those certain things?

Like where's the first like Vokey wedge that I ever bought. That's something I think about often. I had this 975J. The first club I ever bought with my own money. Or no, I, I, I, sorry, and I said, if I D and then I said, if I've J that I played with all through all through high school, it was like, I don't know. That's just that to me is like, that's my favorite golf club I've ever owned. And I wish I still had it. I don't know what happened to it. I don't know if I sold it or what.

Randomly. Yeah, it's probably. Nicholas's father for years was like missing for the one, the 86 masters, like that big old vacuum cleaner looking attachment thing that he just put in his garage and he thought like one of his kids, like took it out of the play with it

or gave it away or something. And I guess it turned up recently, but it was missing for like 20 some years or whatever. But I still have, we'll say the first Scotty Cameron that I ever bought like with my own money when I had my first newspaper job saved up for it. I still have that in my basement. It's the one that I used in strap to shoot to sort of career score. I don't use it anymore, but I'd still, that one's going like in my coffin with me. That one's a keeper. I love it. That's the E9. Thus concludes, Kevin. Thank you very much for putting that

together. That was great. All right. A couple other odds and ends. Let's land the plane here. Walker cup practice squad invitees were named, uh, just going to read off those names quick so you can hear them. Evan back Parker bell blades, Brown, Luke, Clinton, Ethan, Fang, Stuart, Haggis dad, max, uh, Herindean, Ben James, Noah Kent, Jackson, Koyvan, Michael, the SASO, Brian Lee, Tommy Morrison, J Summy, uh, Brendan Valdez and Jackson van Paris. There'll be 10 of those guys making the U S uh, Walker cup team at Cypress point. Speaking of which Nathan Smith, who is going to be the captain at Cypress point was also named a captain for

the next Walker cup at a hinge in 27. Uh, and he's 26. I think they're doing it back to back to get it off. Oh, is that right? I feel again. Yeah. All right. There you have it. So that's why that was the reasoning. That makes sense. Okay. And then TC Jim farmer passed away I know this was someone that was you know, you yeah spotting your hard for yeah So I met I didn't know so I was playing this this year I was playing at the old course this summer on my trip and Was fortunate enough to play with an RNA member

And I don't know it just Tom Brown who was his like son-in-law basically. So Jim Farmer, I didn't know that the RNA had an honorary pro. And I was like, oh, like that's fascinating. And so Jim Farmer was that honorary pro. He owned a golf shop in town. He was born in St. Andrews, 1948. He played in six open championships.

He actually played football or soccer for the hearts. He was signed at 17 then, which that's pretty big time, big time football. So tore up his knee and then ended up kind of turning back to golf, won the lithium trophy and turned pro. And he was the honorary professional of the RNA actually took on that role after one Johnny Panton after him. And yeah, he was, you know, played in open championships, ran the boys development national team for years, massive kind of PGA member led them to the first victory over the US in 23 years at the K club 2005. And yeah, they was called Mr. Golf in in st. Andrews which to be called mr. Golf in the home of golf is pretty pretty cool. So he turned 76 this past Tuesday and passed

away unexpectedly a few days after. So I got a chance to walk a hole with him. He came out and kind of saw us off and walked a whole hole and a half with us this summer. And I don't know, it was like this summer. And I don't know. It was like one of those things I didn't want it to end. I was asking him so many questions and just couldn't have been a nicer, more, uh, more humble, more curious guy out there. And he was, he was more, he was more interested in my trip thus far than, than in telling me anything. I said, no, no, no. Like I want to, I want to know about you kind of thing. So condolences to his family and, and you know, all who knew him

sounded like just a life well lived. Well said, well said. You're guys is weak. You guys play any golf this week? Kev, you get any golf in, you got any golf updates? I did not play any golf this week. I did however, relapse and buy a training aid. I think this could be the one I feel like I blame our guy, Cody, also

a big fan of training aids. You know, you get Cody and I together. It's like getting two addicts sort of, you know, like scheming. He's like, we were at the NIT, you know, last week or whatever. And he's like, you know, what you're putting is just, it looks horrendous. Like, why don't we get you like, you know, let me get these alignment sticks and stick them under your armpits and, you know, hold them down here and let's get you like rocking a little bit more with your shoulders. I was like, oh yeah, like I just, I physically don't do that, but he's like, yeah, that'll just, just work on it. Whatever. Yeah. He's like, you ever seen Dustin Johnson do that thing where he puts the drill is get the stick centers his armpits and then kind of, you know, gives them more pendulum motion.

And so of course, you know, I had a few bourbons and got on Amazon and was like, well, that's the thing that Cody was talking about. I'll just, I'll just buy that immediately felt a sense of shame, but we'll see. I'm sure this is the one that completely remakes my putting. I totally agree. If I would big strong shout out to KV that was a gin and tonic, I believe. Wasn't it? Or maybe just a column. No, it was just a column about your training session. So I was going to finally abandon trading aides and take lessons this year. I've taken one less and bought two training aides.

TC. What about you? You're out in the West coast. Yeah. You get to play. What'd you get to do? I've taken one lesson and bought two training aids. TC, what about you? You're out in the West coast. You get to play. What'd you get to do? Yeah. I got to play up at brambles one day, which is the new core Crenshaw, James Duncan, several other shapers on it. Really, really cool. It's up. I thought it was like pretty near Napa. It's not. It's like another hour or 20, kind of north up in Middletown. A really, really cool place.

And it feels a little bit like going back in time. And it's a really interesting, first of all, I love the golf course. I thought it was going to be a lot more rustic in the conditioning and the presentation, but surfaces were banging. They've got this Xeon Zoysia that they've kind of just trotting out and man, it was, it was firm and fast and firing. Um, had, had, uh, the course is kind of, it feels like Scotland in parts. Um, kind of like Europe and the Highlands and then four or five, six uses this property boundary in a really, really artistic, cool way. Nine's one of the better holes I

played this year as far as the strategy that goes into it. There's a hole at Colorado Golf Club, it's like that too, where it's almost the antidote to distance where there's a creek that runs up the left and you have to clear the creek at some point. But if you play up the left side and really hug the creek, you have a good angle into this pretty wild green. It's got kind of like a reverse road hole green too. Yeah, so just a great golf course. Kind of brings you back to like, it's just all about the golf and loved it.

Cool, like it seems like they're trying to really be patient with figuring out, hey, what do we have here? And we're going to react to, all right, as the golf course grows in, cool. They have a very minimalistic, kind of simple operation in the shed. Thomas the pro is from like four or four and a half hours kind of outside Melbourne to inland Australia, which is, and then came from Wicagoo. I could have talked to him all day. Like fascinating, fascinating guy. He's perfect gentleman, awesome hospitality with him and superintendent out there was, was fantastic to talk to as well.

So if you get a chance to play out there, you guys will love it. It's, it's awesome. And then, and then went down to to Cal Club and played down there for a couple of days as well, which probably the best playing surfaces I've played in years. Javier Campos, who's kind of the well regarded super out there and a really cool story in his own right. It's Walter Wolfezki there. He had him running at like 13, 13, five. And that place is awesome. And I think the camaraderie and the, I don't know, just the sense of, it's just a really, really cool place. And it reminds me more of my favorite places in Scotland than anything else. The United States does just the whole, I don't know. It's truly like golf is the, is the fabric

that Barnes and it's this cool oasis in the middle of South San Francisco. So yeah, those are two places high, high, high on my list that I need to, uh, need to get to that I have not seen yet. Uh, I had a, I would say an opposite week to that. Uh, not only did I not play golf, uh, but the golf courses I was at, uh, we're not quite the Cal Club, Brand Bulls caliber. That's because we were filming a strapped season. Wow. Yeah.

Very exciting. Oh my goodness. Breaking news. I was filming with Neil and Randy this week and it's a season we've been working for a long time to put together. I'm still, I'm not going to say where it is because I think it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a fun reveal. Once we get a couple of the pieces put together

and I'd like to drop a trailer that will kinda share some whiffs of what we did and why we did it. But it was a really, really, really, really, really fun trip. Everything that's Strapped is about. I got to see some places that I've wanted to see for a long time. I got to meet some people I wanted to meet for a long time. It was awesome, man. I was so pumped to be back with those guys and both of them played some nice golf too. So it was fun to watch them, see how they've improved. We don't get to all be on the same golf course

very often these days. So it was fun to, uh, fun to be out there with those guys. I got two questions. Sure. Yeah. Was there a budget and if so, what was the budget? Cause you guys left it, it kind of a tenuous spot after the last one. We did. Uh, we said $800 was the budget, uh, which felt like, you know, it's a step up obviously from the, from the 500, you know, inflation. I don't know if it's a step up obviously from the, from the 500, you know, inflation. I don't know if it's necessarily six, but we took a little bit more money, just really less from a, like, we need to stay at, you know, nicer places and eat nicer meals and

more of just a, like, we just got to like, be able to do some other stuff, right? Like a lot of, like in the South Carolina season, we were kind of like gave me this point where, you know, we're like, well, man, shit, it would be fun to go see this place or go show off this cool restaurant or go do, you know, go race go-karts and, you know, Hilton head or like, oh, like there's all kinds of like fun stuff that would have been additive to the show. But we're just like, yeah, we just like literally can't, we don't have any budget to do anything other than the golf, the lodging and like the most basic like McDonald's or gas station food. So we're like, I think it's better for everybody if we up the budget a little bit.

Hey, what a backdoor endorsement of the Baltimore season though, where we came in under budget for the first time ever. That's exactly right. Plan your golf trip is the Baltimore baby. Good point. Good point. Yeah, man. It was, it was a fun one. It was, it was, it's a thrill to be back. Hey, hey, thinking of smartest guys in golf, you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't say Tom Doak. Yeah. You know, I know that Doakito and I have had our differences or just, I don't think he's had differences with me, but I've differences with him he might not be aware that you exist but if he is but I mean Dokes Dokes brilliant and I'm a huge huge huge fan of his work I'm

a huge fan both written and and you know in the ground so here here all right guys couple final little news and notes. On the YouTube channel, we released a city tour of Brooklyn with Neil and Randy speaking of Strapped that was sponsored by our friends at BMW. One of my favorite videos in a while. I absolutely love the energy, the aesthetic, the motif of these types of videos. Tron, you and me and Randy did one out in Denver earlier this year. I would love to do about a hundred more of these, just showing off a hundred different cities and places

and just really fun. I think sometimes we can get in our own head about like, if we're gonna do a video, we need everybody to be there and it needs to be some big thing. It's like, no, maybe we should just go into a cool city with a couple of people and you know, somebody who knows it really well and try to get a little locals tour of, of the place. And, uh, these videos have been just everything I've,

I've wanted them to be, uh, shout out to Matt Golden who shot and edited, uh, that entire video turned out so cool. Shout out to Lucas. And of course Lucas, the director of magic at Liberty National. So glad you got to see Lucas DJ on film, having not got to see him at the NIT because truly a mind blowing experience to just watch him do tricks one after another. TC, you were asking about the Ginkgo trees up here in Milwaukee.

Yeah, dude, it's still they're changing colors, but the leaves are still intact, man. So it's kind of where it looks like it's going to be kind of like mid 50s for a while. I don't know. We might just be at a look like this Thursday, Friday. Maybe maybe they'll just going to give up eventually here, but I don't there's no like big freezes at least in the 10 day. So we'll see. You wrote in on gin and tonic this week, too. I did write gin and tonic a little. I wrote about wrote about my, my losing streak, uh, on the golf course to my friend, AJ. Uh, I've now lost, I believe seven matches in a row, which I was CC. It really reminded me a lot of like when you first moved to Florida and you and I used to play together all the time and we had the same handicap and how much of a joy that is and how rare that is that you have a golf partner who is like, no, we are dead.

Even we're not giving strokes. We're just going to go out and play real golf. And how much of a joy that is and how rare that is that you have a golf partner who is like, no, we are dead. Even we're not giving strokes. We're just going to go out and play real golf. That does it. It's kind of made me realize how rare that is and how infrequently that happens. And what kind of made me laugh about it is like, even as your handicap, kind of like drifts in separate directions, like TC, you've gotten much better than I have much like AJ has gotten much better than I have. You're still like, no, man, like we just, we're not giving strokes. I don't care what the, what the system says. Like I'm not like, I would literally rather lose over and over and over than like take strokes and get this victory. That's like, oh yeah, I know you technically shot a lower score than me, but like I win, you suck. Like that's not how it's supposed to work.

So I don't know exactly. So I I've reached a point in my life where I would much rather win, uh, honorably than, than, uh, you know, avoid a big losing streak. So I wrote about that, read about some parenting stuff, uh, some takeaways from the first couple of months. So read that on no laying up.com. What else? A little shout out to the Miami Redhawks.

Yeah. Yeah. Los Redhawks, the U. So coach JD Fletcher has been there. I think this is his fourth season. Randy and I have been greasing the team under the table now that that's, it's legal now, which is kind of ruins our whole, like our whole granny and I's whole dream was to be like illicit boosters, like, like, you know, kind of a hundred dollar handshakes and stuff like that. But now it's like, you know, so we just donate stuff to the golf team now under like official, you know, purposes. So they won their first event under his tenure, uh, at the capital, a invitational in Hawaii. We've got a really, really good squad this year. I think they had three, three of the guys were in the top 10 out there and, uh, they

beat university of San Diego, I think finished second. So, uh, I'm stoked to see where it goes. They've got, you know, JD's a good, good dude, an energetic young coach. I think he's in his late twenties, early thirties played in Miami, like the kind of guy that gets you jacked up about golf. It doesn't matter if it's college golf or junior golf or pro golf. It's just, he's just a good dude. So shout out to them. I'm excited to see what the spring has in store. Hell yeah. Guys, I think that's going to do it. We have one little thing we started doing last week that we've started calling one for the road. Uh,

we're just turning somebody loose. Go get a story, go get us something good to end with. KVV that's going to fall to you again here. Last you waxed about Gary player and dug into some of the, uh, the claims that he's maybe been calling kids fat to their face for a long time. And some of the ramifications of that, again, you can listen to the, the end of last week's episode to hear that. Cure, I have no idea what you dug up for this week. So I will turn it over to you, play us out.

What do you got? Well, you know, I think that One for the Road is gonna be kind of a segment where we just find the weird things throughout history that have happened, that have delighted us in some ways. Guys, you know I love Phil Mickelson, at least as a concept. And one of the things that I love about him

is all the weird shit that that I love about him is all the weird shit that sounds made up about him, but is actually true. You know, like that time of the president's cup when he told Kevin Kisner that an astronomer had told him to please have Kisner face him on every shot so that he could pull energy from Kisner's belly. That is a real thing that happened. or the time that he admitted that he had changed all the lofts on his irons after the first round of the U S open at Beth page. Uh, and then for the rest of the tournament, he and bones could not figure out how to gap up between his clubs, uh, because, uh, they just completely like we're fucking completely clueless about how far the ball was going or the time that he believed, uh, that he, of course, this

is very famous that he was playing catch in the parking lot just part of his warm-up routines and he thought that this meant that he could pitch professionally so he asked the Toledo Mudhans for a tryout and then did not hit 70 on the radar gun but then he vowed that he would still he still believed that he could pitch in the majors then he was going to continue to work on it but I don't want to talk about any of those things. I'm gonna get an update on that how that on it. But I don't want to talk about any of those things. I'm going to get an update on that. How that's going. Yeah. What I would like to talk about, uh, this time that Saudi baseball league.

Yeah, that's true. I would like to talk about what I would like to talk about today. Uh, just a little reminiscing down, uh, sort of a memory lane is the time that he told a golf digest in 2019 that his wife, Amy had bought him a dinosaur head. As, as a birthday present, like this is some weird Howard Hughes shit if you're If you're watching on YouTube you can see what's going on here. I have a picture of Phil Amy is in his lap and then to their left is a giant dinosaur head Which would would not fit t-st in the TGL

Arena, is that true? Well, I think the head would fit. Okay. Yeah. We would have to do some sort of calculation or extrapolate this out into looks like a T rex, correct? Yes, it is a T rex. We'll get to the details of that in just a second. Guys, Amy occasionally would buy him as sort of the man who has everything. What do you get him? Would buy would increasingly come up with like weird things to get him for a birthday present. How word of this trickled out, I'm not sure because there's no other reference to it prior to this Golf Digest interview. I went through the archives to find it, but Golf Digest did get word

and asked him to say, Phil, like not to get too personal, what's up with the dinosaur head? He said, well, that was a birthday present from Amy last June of the dinosaurs that had been preserved. There's the number one is Sue, a very famous one at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Her head is like five feet long. But this one, Amy gave me-

I probably wouldn't fit in the TGL screen. Yeah, this one Amy gave me is from Mongolia. Dulse I just asked if this was a male or female dinosaur head and he said well it's a female but not that I would know by inspecting or anything. I'm just going by what I was told. They asked him what he had named his dinosaur head and he said I haven't named it yet but it's the coolest thing I've ever gotten. My kids and I sometimes will just sit in my office and talk about what in the world what the world was like 68 million years ago. Amanda, our oldest daughter wanted to be a paleontologist for a long time, even before we got the dinosaur head. So our kids are really into that stuff.

I just don't know what was it worth. He said, I don't know. It was a birthday present. We've had four or five people bid on it, but it is not for sale. Talk about giving something to the man who has everything. I was really surprised, just like I was when Amy gave me a meteorite. That's right. I have a meteorite from Argentina.

It was a crash that occurred in the 1930s. I got that from Amy last Christmas. It weighs about 300 pounds and is the size of a basketball. I also have a small one that Fran gave to me. Phil has two meteorites, multiple meteorites. About the size of a basketball. I also have a small one that Fred gave to me. Phil has two meteorites, multiple meteorites, about the size of a softball. There are more meteorites out there than dinosaurs. Just still can't sort of quite wrap my head around this. I did look up, you know, in case, you know, we'd heard maybe that some of the reasons that Phil wanted to sign with

with Liv over the years is because money was getting tight. So I was kind of interested in wondering how much would this T. rex skull sell for where it's go on the open market. There was a New York Times story in 2022 about a T. rex skull that that was supposed to fetch a 15 million at a Sotheby's auction. And so it's be similar kind of to this one that Phil has, it ended up only getting 6.1 million. So the market for dinosaur heads is really not quite as lucrative as once thought. So no idea how much Amy paid for this.

No idea if it ever actually would be for sale. Truly no idea if Phil still has it. This is, you know, 2009. There's been no other sort of references where Phil has commented on the dinosaur head, but that is your one for the road moment of the weird is that Phil Mickelson is the owner of a female dinosaur head from Mongolia.

God. Oh, big, big, big natural history guy. I love it. You got like a Ken Griffin who bought the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution or whatever, you know, big, big U S history guy. How much dropping six mil potentially on a birthday present.

That's that's big stuff. Uh, Kev, thank you for that. That's that's gold stuff. Uh, as always TC, thank you for everything this week and guys, we will talk to you guys next week. Thank you for listening and cheers. Oh, one more thing. The sun close somebody close to the situation.

Very good source here. The sun report was bullshit about the live and PIF. The live merger. Or PIF merger. PGA tour merger. Like it's probably gonna happen at some point soon, but that all the details in that were total bullshit. There you go.

So love to love to shoot down some big journalism at the end. There's another one for the road for you. Thank you. All right. We'll talk to you guys next week. Cheers. Cheers.