No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 951: Rory wins at Pebble

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

Rory McIlroy wins the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am, finishing two ahead of Shane Lowry. Join us as we break down the results across the world of golf, dig into our week at Pebble, run down the leaderboard, news and notes, and more! Presented by High Noon. Support our sponsors: High Noon - Sun's Up! Titleist - GT Driver AT&T - Connecting Changes Everything ServPro Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? uh... cool ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying up on No Lying Up live show presented by our friends at high noon. Rory McElroy is your winner at iconic Pebble

Beach. What kind of felt like the kickoff to the PJ Tour season? A little bit. We will certainly talk about that. On the DP World Tour, TC's guy, Laurie Kanter, of course, wins in Bahrain. A sentence that should get everybody fired up. On the Asian Tour, Oiderjans wins. We're going to talk about that India DLF things of that nature. The LPGA kicks off their season. A-lim Kim is a winner over Nelly Korda and on the corn fairy tour Josh Teeter prevails in Panama over TC's other guy Johnny Kiefer. You know, I've mentioned these guys already, but TC's joining me. Of course, Tron. Hello. Hey, once once a clique, always a clique. Even if it was only two or three starts for the cliques.

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believe seven iron into the par five fourteenth making a twenty-six foot eagle putt slamming the door at fifteen with another birdie, hit it to three feet. Again, went on to win by two over Shane Lowry. He just got out and ran as he is wont to do. Can I hit you with just a couple of numbers here guys before I throw in for your reaction? It is Rory's 27th PGA Tour victory. That's a big number. That's not insignificant. I was coming over that list the other day. It is a massive number. It's an absolutely enormous number. Some

some national opens in there too. That's right. That is just on the PGA Tour. 27th victory, eighth year in a row with a tour at least one tour win. Getting into that Dustin Johnson territory. I know that's one of everybody's favorite stats. It is his first PGA Tour win since the Wells Fargo last year, but his second win in three starts after he won the DP World Tour Championship in November. Just to underscore this, he's finished outside the top five one time in his last seven

starts. He is playing some capital G golf right now. I think the thing everybody's going to look at is probably the driver. He gained 6.2 strokes off the tee this week, which is more than a shot and a half better than second place. Solid, your stats guys, that's significant? It's gonna add up. That's gonna add up to a shot and a half difference, which is about the gap from first place to second place. There you have it. Just for fun, made three Eagles this week, including a hole-in-one on the 15th at Spyglass. In round one, TC, I'll throw it to you first. What impressed you most about Rory this week?

For me, it was kind of the trajectory control. He was hitting all sorts of little sawed off shots, especially Saturday. Man, he played a pretty flawless round of golf on Saturday in the conditions. I think that's always been kind of the thing is Rory, I know he's won on soft golf courses before, but is he a mutter when it's actually raining? And I was really impressed just with the variety of shots that he hit this week, as well as the distance control. Kind of the first thing he called out in his post-round interview too, which was surprising. At a moment of jubilation, he was like, listen, I know people have said I don't win on tough

golf courses. Kind of a little chippy, which I enjoyed. So, Ollie, what else? What else we got to get in the record here? I mean, it is not a Rory golf course, right? I mean, what's the one thing we've probably dogged Rory on the most over the course of his entire career? It's his inconsistent wedge play.

And this Pebble Beach is just a ton of wedges. Like it's like, I was going through, I mean, you don't have to, other than the par fives, you don't hit like anything beyond a wedge until you get to the eighth hole. Uh, and then there's plenty of wedges, you know, on 13 coming in on 15 coming in a 14 is obviously the par five. Uh, you know, 16 is going to be a wedge. It's, it's a wedge golf course

and it's not one you can really bully with your distance. He drove it incredible this week, but man, he made the putts when he needed to too. There were a couple moments there in the middle of today's round where he poured in some quite lengthy putts and he ended up the week seventh in putting as well. We've seen plenty of weeks where he hits it this good

and just ends up finishing third or something like that because he doesn't gain on the field with the putting and he did it this week. So I don't know if it changes any projections. I mean, look at him the last couple of years, man. Like nobody, it's hard to say nobody's been better at the majors since he hasn't won one. You know, but I mean, he's kind of the majors are, you know, consistently the only thing that matters. We're going to say a lot of that stuff rounding into major season as well. And he has shown up

man. It's just he hasn't gotten it over the finish line and you know he's played really well going into him like this in the past. So it's like II don't think anything changes necessarily, but I guess that's probably because expectations were so high already. I mean TC you got is this a fly the banner. He's going to win the Masters put the whole house on it or or or what no I think it's I mean I think it's a good sign you know. I certainly don't think it's bad. Yeah yeah you know it's good for the models I think he's certainly like I mean even Pinehurst

it's impressive with like the golf that he played there just it seems like he's taken his game to a much more, I'm trying to think what the right word is. There's just more, there's more there. It's more versatile, right? Yeah. There's more versatility, like the right shots at the right time instead of just jamming full swings in at every moment. It's hey, what does this shot call for? I mean, he talked about it this week as far as he wants to play more bogey free rounds. And I think that's different style of golf, more disciplined, more patient. And I'm here for it. Here, here.

It's worth it's worth noting just as going back all the way to the BMW championship last August, he has gained a not insignificant amount with the putter in every single tournament. Like he has been a very, very, very good putter over the course of the last six months. I know he hasn't played a lot of golf, but that includes a lot of DP World Tour starts in that time period. Those are all measured. All of those have putting measured consistently. I'd venture to say it's pretty much the best we've seen him putt over an extended period of time in his career.

Yeah. I don't know. it's also just fun to see like front runner Rory get out there and do it again. You know, I don't know what this would be reminiscent of. Like, I don't know what the last time we really saw him put his foot on the gas like he did today on the back nine, but they said it on the broadcast. I mean, he's kind of the only guy that really, really feels that way.

I feel like, you know, Scotty maybe had a couple of those last year just because he won so many times, but more often than not, it was just like almost tiger style, kind of hang around, hang around, hang around. Suddenly the last three holes I've got a chance to win and I'm going to win. And Rory just seems to do, you know, he seems to win in this fashion a lot more than he does, you know, what I was just describing there. Not to transition this all into coverage takes at the moment, it honestly felt a little more impressive

because of some of the new camera angles and some of the shots. Like it gave you actual perspective on what he's able to do on the golf course that is two-dimensionally, doesn't usually appear on your screen that well. I was left with just a little bit more of, ooh, that's just a little different than almost anybody,

anybody else that was in contention this week. Yeah. Yeah. I think 31 on the back nine with a par on 18 is just really strong. It just seemed to like he's, I don't know, he seemed freed up. He did a long press conference earlier in the week. He did a pre-round interview on, was that today? He did a pre-round interview. He did a post-round interview like a whole sit down yesterday and recap the highlights.

So, good to see him. He seems just in a comfortable place. So, it's good to see. Indeed. Well, just looking at Pebble in general, and we'll get to the rest of the leaderboard in a second here, but I am interested in that we've kind of been, you know, we mentioned this on our live shows while we were out there this week, but we've kind of been waiting for this Sunday for like two years, right? Of like, man, we've watched a lot of bad Pebble Beach tournaments, a lot of, a lot of bad golf today too. A lot of Ted Potters, a lot of, you know, things of that nature and, uh,

DA points. Yeah. Coverage gap returning today. Well, that was, that was some, some of the wrong nostalgia today that we can get to that, but we are going to get to that. But what my point is that we've been waiting for a couple of years now of like, man, if we just, what if we just got the best players playing pebble beach? What if we just, what if we just improve the product a little bit? What if we made the broadcast better and coverage gap aside, which was inexcusable and we'll talk about it later. I guess did it live up to the hype for you guys? I mean, Rory kind of snuffed this thing out with with that Eagle on 14 and the Birdie on 15. So there wasn't a ton of drama coming into, you know, 17 and 18 the way that you would have imagined. But I mean, Solid, did this kind of live up? What type of grade are we given this, this week compared to expectations?

up? What type of grade are we given this week compared to expectations? I'd say a solid B+. I'm really counting Saturday and a lot of that. There was a lot of really interesting conditions on Saturday. We got to see Pebble have just a little bit of bite scores. We're still relatively good on Saturday because these guys are just absolutely filthy at golf. But we didn't get the down to the wire suspense in it that would take it all the way up to an A but we saw a good side of pebble both in the firmness of the greens early part of the week and then just watching guys hit like lumber into nine and 10 coming in, you know, and the seeing the flag sticks blow sideways guys probably hitting as much as eight irons in the number seven I think I mean watching like Tom Kim and Lowry's group. I think it was on Saturday Watching the three shots that they hit into that pin is what you want to see out of this golf course So yeah, I mean if we're comparing this back to like the you know, Ted Potter jr. Days This tournament I think we can call this a fly the banner big W I don't know if it's gonna be dynamite ratings just because we didn't really necessarily have that suspense But you know, that's a that's a good sign for the year.

They needed a good week and this was a good week. T.C., what do you think is, how much of that is everything he just said? How much of that is Pebble Beach and how much of that is, man, the tour's got to go in the right way and they've made the right changes? Is it almost like success despite itself or do you give credit to the tour to kind of stack the deck in this way? A little bit of both. I would say probably more Pebble Beach.

I mean, the course was, it presented really well this week. A lot of different styles of play up there. I thought it was interesting that Scotty finished first and approached the green. It feels like we were a few putts going in there at the beginning today. They could have made it a little bit different. I think overall, it was just a matter of, again, setting the coverage gap aside, just getting out of their own way to show Pebble Beach in all its glory. That's all we've ever wanted. I mean, shit, I went back, can't remember the last time I did this. I went back, I was traveling yesterday and then we had

kids sports games all day. And I went back and just watched the entire broadcast from Saturday, start to finish this morning to get ready for the golf today. I haven't done that since the Masters five years ago. Just the way they captured it. All the drones and the blimp and all the tracers and even pregame interviews today with Rory and Team Rose. It just felt like a big event at least once CBS actually came on we can talk about Golf Channel and CBS a little bit, but it was a big step in the right direction. I thought totally I think it's like one of the stories of the week too, right is because you know Trevor was on with us on Thursday and he's like, oh, we got a couple bells and whistles We invested in this crane cam and the whole point is to be able to show the 14th hole because it's always gotten short shrift and people don't understand how crucial that T that tee

shot is and how the fairway can't from right to left, but you still like some guys can cut the corner and you know, this crane is really going to show that off and just add a ton of context and like there you go. I mean, that's I think from the drone, the like the drone tracer as well that Cody's got up on the screen now, but man, just little stuff like that is not like, that's not a on force in their hand to do that. That's not, you know, FedEx forcing their hand. It's not some deliverable. It's just like, man, what if we tried to make things a little better? And in, in my mind,

I'm, I'm with UTC where I'm like, like, dude, I was fired up to watch golf today. And a lot of that is just because of those bells and whistles and like man there's like actual context and I feel like I'm watching a sporting event. Well let's fly the banner on this like we don't watch the best players in the world on Sunday at Pebble Beach in the winter like this is not I mean back in the day 2010 2011 2012 and Tiger and Phil would show up for this event things like that it was obviously had a different stature but it was not trending in that direction we had to sit through the Kenny G show on the Saturday afternoon. Tron, I think called

it the worst telecast in golf history that Saturday. And we got rained out last year. This has not happened. This was a thing for golf nerds. They've limited the program portion of this to Thursday, Friday. It's a competitive golf tournament with the top, however many PGA Tour players on the weekend. This is still brand spankinganking new and for golf nerds. We should be celebrating this change. Amen. I think also Seeing some conditions yesterday. These guys rarely have to play in conditions like that the wind the rain It was like it was the full spectrum. We got to see beautiful Pebble Beach today and we got to see Absolutely, you know Candidys Bleak Pebble Beach yesterday. I loved both. Haven't seen that much wind since that day at Trune, right TC?

I also would say this is not a take that a block that I'm usually on. This is kind of the opposite of the block I'm usually on, but I weirdly enjoyed the small greens this week. And I don't I was trying to explain why and in slack a little bit, especially, you know, coming into that final round, like number one was a great example, where all three of those leaders just were perfectly positioned in the fairway, all three of them missed the green, all three of them had different chip shots. And you combine that like weird

thatchy kind of nasty rough with like really firm greens. And all of a sudden it's like, Ooh, this is okay. This is interesting. This is not like solid. What you always hate, you know, the, the big thick Midwestern blue grass, slide your wet on wedge under it. And you know, you're going to get shot on repeat for 80% of the time. Yeah. It was like, it was weirdly interesting. And it really, you know, gave some shine to like how good, especially on the par threes, it was like, it was weirdly interesting. And it really, you know, gave some shine to like how good, especially on the par 3s, 5 was a good example. Like gave some shine to like how good a shot like Lucas

Glover's was, you know, when it was in there tight. And it was like, Dude, you got to earn that. That was a really good shot. On 5 as well. Props to the setup team for using that front right tee box with the back right hole location with the wind coming out of the, you know, like kind of kind of in off the right. That was awesome. So I, 145 yards and you had to, had to hit a golf shot. I think there's a, just a bunch of, uh, there's just a bunch of like dubs kind of compounding on each other. Right. And it feels like CBS is, you know, we, we shout them out a lot and we'll, again, we'll get to the coverage gap in just a second here, but we shout them out a lot for kind of trying to do things the right way. And you

can you can feel it, like matriculating through the rest of the broadcast team to you can feel them like calling out slow play. You can feel them. You can feel them explaining the nuance of shots. You can feel like the golf me Deidre. You can feel that me Are you ready to get into that? Get in the golf sicko. Like I think that those people are golf sickos in the way that we are golf sickos. And you can feel it starting to come back out

after what felt like seven, eight, nine years of just almost trying to push that down and turn it into kind of like the CBS comedy hour. And it's just, everybody's for the better, I think. Cause it felt like watching a proper sport today. So you were saying you liked the coverage gap, is that what I read on Slack? You said it gave you some time to get to work on it.

I was cackling, I was laughing because it was like, I- Seven was overrated is what you said, I think. We flew the banner on the, you know, I very seriously believe that we are responsible for the, if you're new to watching golf on television, first of all, I'm really sorry for how things have trended the last couple of years, but there was a 30 minute gap for when golf channel would end their coverage in on CBS weeks and when CBS would start, it would definitely get delayed when the basketball game would get delayed. They bridged it over the years.

Eventually you could go to CBS sports.com, watch the gap. Now they just continue to play on Golf Channel and they throw the last 15 minutes to like Brando or somebody in the studio to like awkwardly cover the golf from remote. And then, you know, it was still awkward as they reached the best part of Pebble Beach, like they always do, right? In that coverage gap time. And then I, inexplicably, I don't really know a reason why they couldn't keep going on golf channel. Usually they'll start the CBS broadcast on golf channel these days. You could still go to CBS sports.com and watch it. But Illinois Ohio State here, you know, went went went long bunch of timeouts and Rory made Bernie to take the lead alone. All while this was happening, it was just like, yeah, just everything's totally fine. PGA Tour, like this is all totally fine. Everything's going great and there's no possible way to address this problem. It just amazing this happened in 2025. I got straight up flashbacks. I felt like I was reliving a nightmare from 10 years ago, seven years ago, five years ago.

Hey, the best, like, before it wasn't even the best players in the world. It was just the, it was just random dudes on the PGA tour playing six, seven, eight. Now, this time it was the best players in the world. And all right, can we have them tee off a little bit earlier, a little bit later? Like, so it's not just right smack dab

in the middle of a shitty Big Ten basketball finish. And sure enough, we got right back to it. And then they played a bunch of commercials playing out of the college basketball game. And they did the montage stuff. It was, it was, it was classic. Yeah, I just felt like we were reverting to some bad habits. Here, here, I got nothing to add.

You know, what can you say about the coverage gap that you haven't said 1300 times over the last 10 years? But it's bad. There's no way it could come back. I don't understand it. It's tough, man. It's tough. I guess the only college, the gods had to balance the scales a little bit as TGL keeps fucking leaking over into college basketball. So maybe that was just a little karma for golf fans on fucking leaking over into college basketball. So maybe that was just just a little karma for golf fans. It was just too on the nose like Rory making a birdie on seven while they're stuck in this 26 second big 10 doom loop. I guess the only thing I would say is a lot of our past criticisms of CBS have kind of been launched either directly or indirectly

at like the people on the ground, the people in the truck, some of those people. And I think this is just doing them a disservice by just like people who don't give a shit about the actual experience. The bean counters, TC. Get these goddamn bean counters out of here. I just want to watch some golf. You know what, we talked a lot about generational drivers of the golf ball. I want to take a quick break in the action here for a little bit of equipment talk. Who better to cover this,

the generational technology of Titleist's GT drivers and our very own generational driver of the golf ball. TC, what is your driver's setup that you're rocking right now? What do you have? Are you still a generational driver of the golf ball. I am even more so than ever with the new TSR 2. I went from the GT 2. I went from the TSR 3 to the GT 2 and I love it. I cannot say enough good things. It plays well off the ground. I've got a same shaft I was in before. I've got a Fences Black 7X,

I think, in there and a tad bit short. And then I've got it set up pretty standard. 11 degrees of loft on it, which if you would have told me that three, four years ago, I would have said you were crazy and the ball would be spinning into the stratosphere. But it's changed the game for me, truly. My spin rates have come down, hitting more fairways than I did before, and I've gained distance. So I cannot say enough good things about both the way the driver feels, but also like the way it sounds

and the way it looks. It's still got, like it's got more of a polymer kind of carbon top to it, but it still looks and feels and sounds like a Titleist. And actually, I took our older son, Freddie, last night to a simulator place and we're playing and my old 983K driver was in his golf bag last night. And I took some swings with that and I'm like, man, it's wild how familiar this thing looks versus the ones, you know, the kind of the current GT.

Like it's still the same DNA, just, you know, all the technology added to it. So can't say enough good things. It's awesome. There you go. For all those reasons and more are why the Titleist has been the most played driver on the PGA Tour for six seasons and counting.

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Again, big Randy. The best way to find out your optimal setup is by going out and getting fit. Head to Titleist.com to learn more about a fitting near you. Actually Dej, I was talking to Nick Geyer, one of the Titleist tour reps this week, and he said the GT1 3 wood, they can't keep them in stock on the tour truck. It's flying off the shelves. Yeah. Just cause it, it launches so high and it's, it's got such a cool, uh, cool address position, which I would have never thought like tour guys were playing the GT one three

wood. So there you have it. You just scope that out. Don't, don't let any of your assumptions get the better of you, you know, go get fit. Uh, a couple other, you know, top of the leaderboard notes, Shane Lowry finishing solo second. I would be remiss, of course, if I did not point out that weeks ago, I had picked him as my horse this week in the 2025 winners draft, which I now have a commanding lead. Although everybody's on the board, I believe, because KVV had Rory. So I believe it's, I have four points, Solly has two two points TC and KVV each have one

Doesn't say much about Shane Lowry's performance this week, but that was you know Good driver the ball player good wind player. Like of course he was gonna play well this weekend and he did you know I don't know if anybody has anything to add on Shane Lowry They big putt there on 18 to collect a nice payday Maybe you made two point one six million for finishing runner up in this event. And if he would have been in the, in the group tie, it was probably somewhere between a five and $700,000 putt there on 18, which I still remain that they should put that up on if you casual fans care about that kind of stuff. If you want people to care, we're tired of the money.

Sorry. I mean, still let at least dangle that out there there if you're going to broadcast about how much money they're playing for this much, at least tell us how much the putts are worth. Lucas Glover and Justin Rose tied for third. Justin, your boy. Another highlight, another Pebble Beach highlight for my guy. That was, I mean, that was it, man. That was perfect. Absolutely perfect. What was the highlight for people who weren't watching? For those that missed it, what was he just short of the green on 18, pulled a, like a hybrid or kind of a five wood or, you know, fairway metal type of thing, which is a move that

I do. He may have picked that up for me if he's reading the Team Rose message boards. This is a shot that I'm constantly evangelizing for. And he just he rolled it in and he just he went nuts man. He looked like he had just won the SoFi Cup. You know, it was just absolutely losing his mind. On AT just an absolute perfect fist pump. The greatest meeting of land and cheese as I said in Slack. Just all time good stuff from from my guy Justin Rose the message boards are going to be in FWIG tonight. Team Rose had a pretty epic pre-game interview as well he must have made 25 different facial expressions in the first 30 seconds of it just a lot of lot of jargon there. I do want to shout out Lucas Glover Beach. Yeah, shot 67 today. And he was strokes gained putting he was also 67 today.

That's wild. Next gen stats. Yeah, he you know he finished three, three behind Rory and pretty easily could have been right there. He was forcing it. He did have a good putting week overall but it got away from him a little bit. He finished fifth in putting while losing a stroke and a half today which is pretty remarkable. We mentioned Scotty Sheffler making his return to the PGA Tour, finished T9, 15 under par. Just of a like maybe a little sloppy in in some spots like a bad chipping week I guess is what you you pull out of the stats

63rd and strokes gained around the green but you know to the surprise of no one led the field and strokes gained approach you know it actually putted pretty decent so cannot imagine the the quote-unquote rust is gonna stick around for long for Scotty, but going to Phoenix next week especially feels like another great golf course for him. So good to see him, good to see him back. I don't know that anybody was really picturing

that he was gonna come out and like lay some egg, but that was obviously not what happened. I wanna know what kind of ravioli it was. That's a great question. I don't think anybody asked that follow up. What's your preference? That's a great question. I don't think anybody asked that follow up. What's your preference? It's a good question. I like lobster.

Of course. Of course. Lobster ravioli. Of course. Like a creme sauce there. Any gnarly kitchen actions for you guys? I remember when I was a kid, like just very obvious, but I didn't realize like, you know,

when you test the sharpness of a knife, like you go like across, I think I just straight up like, like just went the, you know, long part of the blade, just like up my entire thumb, just totally, just to open the whole thing up. But it's been a while. I haven't, that's a fool me once type of situation. I cannot stop touching hot stuff.

Like I just, if it's hot, I'm gonna I'm gonna find a way to touch it in some way. Yeah. Very hot. Very hot. Stay tuned for the background of that joke. Also in the returns game this week, Jordan Spieth back in action, unfortunately finished t 69 despite a five under round today round today so you know that was a little bit more of the the rust maybe we were expecting I guess that that rust is a little more understandable than Scotty who's just been pretty much automatic for about three years 79 yesterday for for big Jord um what else guys where

else Kim Davis do you guys see him get him get kind of rubber the green and then hole out on the chip right afterwards? That was nice. See, that was again, that was like the coverage gap stuff. That was just the universe balancing itself out. Also, TC, I think this is the most shocked I've ever been listening to a broadcast was to find out Cam Davis lives in Seattle. That like blew my mind. I texted Trevor, I was like, is that true? Or you just like, is that one of those like, oh, I'm going to sneak this in for a buddy and like nobody's gonna see if anybody's listening. Yeah, like

that was he's like, no, truly, man. I think he met, you know, married a girl from there. And yeah, he lives in Seattle. Just unbelievable. Maybe the first tour player I can remember other than maybe it did. I don't even know if Ryan Moore lived there. I know he's from the Pacific Northwest, but I'll stand with lives there. He lives up there. He lives in Seattle too. I think the one board too. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I'm still shocked that he wasn't on the International

Presidents Cup team. It's kind of crazy. I agree. And then yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, nor was he up there on the Belugas big board, which we will get to a lot of people are asking if for an update on the Belugas big board, but we will be doing a detailed analysis of it. Say it's gonna be the whole number one in our back nine tonight is gonna be a deep analysis of the Belugas big board. Yeah, really good week for Russell. Can I just go down

the board a little bit here, guys Before we do? Sure. Okay. Russ Henley, we'll shout him out again. He's playing nice. We'll skip over Tom Kim. We'll get to him in a bit. Billy Horschel, late grade, 66 today. Taylor Pendreth and Siwoo Kim, both playing well. T9 for Pendreth. Did not see that one coming. One of the ultimate all-speed imposters. I feel like Pendrith is not not in a it's it hasn't flipped yet but Pendrith is stunting on you just a little bit I feel like just that's kind of a keep your eye on that one. He'll keep cleaning up at three. Keep your eye on that one. You know in Puntacana and Mexico. What else we got? Andrew Novak and Sam Stevens both playing well this week. I was kind of jazzed to see that they both, you know, I think the beluga himself said I'm expecting both these guys to be to be exhausted and and they weren't.

And actually Novak won the won the amateur division with his partner Philippe Lafont, who was fresh off of a lesson with Bush Harmon. Of course, we got big tone. Let me double back real quick. The stats have come in in his last 11 starts. Pendrith is finished outside the top 25 once. Oh, my god, I think that's that's stunting on UTC straight up. You know how many I listen, we can take it offline. We'll do a sampling of how many of those were fall events or how many were proper courses. the the

the That's not the biggest BSI tournament in the world. Tour Championship, granted, only 30 people there. BMW, granted, not a big deal. We're counting top 25s in Century and Tour Championship. I'm just saying. Let's move on. What else? I was a little bit shocked to see Colin Moorakawa not finish T17, but not farther up there. Ekro played well, especially rounds one and two

kind of faded, but T13 for him. Jason Day had the grout fit on today. We're gonna get to that. I think that's a hole in our back line as well. And yeah, that's really it. Tommy Fleetwood, T22, not what we were looking for there. That was interesting. Yeah, somebody told me to start the week

he was hitting it better. Was it better than he ever has been? Best he's ever seen him hit it? Something like that? Yeah, yeah, something like that. We're all looking for the guy who said this. Tom Hogy played well. I don't know if you're, if you're wrapping up. I'm done. Tom Hogan, of course, just famously loves cash and checks it at these these big events. So why don't you take a couple of minutes on Tom Kim? What do you what do you got? What's the answer?

Is this the pro mea culpa? I don't even know where I'm what I've twisted myself into here. I think I'd started with you guys as blatant disrespect for his level of play in his game. And it has been it is you guys have done nothing but assassinate his character On a daily basis just to just to avoid how how off you've been on his level of play the guy's been I don't think we've ever really gone after his his play or I think I went after a little bit I think you most definitely have I just think he's he's like literally a stain on the game. And I'll sign my name on that.

It's it's really, really bad. And they were getting they were getting chippy with him during early round coverage today, just as far as his how long it took him to take this shot. I believe they got put on a clock down the stretch. And, you know, he's it's like, it's to the point where people are catching on his fellow pros are catching on. And it's like really unbecoming. And I think we're getting beyond

the point of like, like fine, it just needs to be a suspension. And I mean that. Sure. He, they, he needs, there needs to be a rule about how fast you pull the trigger when you stand over the ball, cause he's the worst kind of slow, which is the cameras have to be on you for once you get over it. Oh, he's also slow before he gets, before he gets over. I do not disagree with that at all. Uh, but it's the worst kind for TV is the stand over it check the line four to five times

And it's it's really tough man. I will not I will not stand for it I will not defend it here again TCU called for him to be stroked For what happened there in the sixth fairway again still not the rule for getting actually stroked Policy I think it's one of the rules of golf. It's not the policy on the PGA Tour, two different things. The policy also would not state that you would get a stroke penalty for taking over 40 seconds on that. Well, the policy policy versus rules you want to reform. You want reform on the policy, which I will agree with you on.

But no, it's tough. He's he there's some interesting stuff still going on with his golf game, but he has not endeared himself to his fellow pros and definitely not to the public to this at this point but so I want to reach across the aisle and say his his bunker shot at number 12 was gross yes so nasty that I don't think I could have hit that like within 30 yards of the green let alone to like six feet. He missed the putt, of course, but it was a hell of a golf shot.

He cost himself some money driving in the ocean on 18 as well. That was at least a half a million dollar. He played with John Donahoe this week. The disgraced former CEO of Nike got unceremoniously broken off a few months ago. Disgraced. He's a McKinsey guy that came in to run the show, I think. God, that's good stuff. Hey, just super quick, while I have the audience here, I just want to shout out the, you know,

we said this deep, deep, deep into our six hours of onsite coverage at Pebble, but just while we're talking, Tom Kim, we're talking a little pace of play. I want to reiterate that they should mic up the five slowest guys. I think that would really tie a lot of shit together. I think-

With the goal of canceling them. Like we will cancel you. Exactly. That's the worst thing you say. If I think of our guys mic'd up, like I just, I think I'll see your ass in court, man. It's over. I don't think, yeah.

I don't think you want that, but I think the people do. I think that would be really good stuff. So, PJ Tore, if you're listening, please, let me know how I can consult on this project. Let me know if you need some microphone recommendations. I just, I think this is a can't lose opportunity. I got a great idea for Tom Kim. I would, you both live in Dallas, call up Brysonson and just do the full makeover that Bryson's done like you've both

Annoyed people to the same level Bryson has managed to flip people in a way that I don't know that Tom Kim can But I would call him up for some advice on on how to how to how to how to how to pull the wool over some people's eyes about your behavior how to pull the wool over some people's eyes about your behavior. All right, so let's shift gears. I wanna do, take a little statistical look at the week. I know you had an idea here, just things you're keeping an eye on.

So I don't know how many you came up with, but what do you got? I have things and they're quick, so don't hit that fast forward button just yet. But young Tom Kim ironically will start there. His driving distance is kind of crazy. He was 12th in the field when I looked at this and I'll check it again right now. Finished 13th in the field in driving distance on all holes.

Now, look, that's counting holes where you hit irons and all that stuff. But on the measured holes, he was sixth, which are like the long drive holes. He was sixth in the field. If you look at his page, like it is trending in exactly one direction in terms of his driving distance. It's like Luis Gonzalez. Brady Anderson's 51 home run season. Exactly. It's real. That was a... He's drinking some stuff out of some juice boxes. Yeah. Well, I will call for an apology from you, Dej, on this one.

Your whole thing has been that he's a bunter. He's 160 ball speed, doesn't have the game. And it just seems like he's really, really raising his floor with driving distance. Which, as you can see on this trend line, was true when I said it. And now it seems like he's probably heard that pod. It was like, damn. That was the reality. What was that stack code stack code no I know you I gotta let me get it there and see if

I can get the stack and just start uh start getting some gains because you know I don't think that's gonna hurt him certainly and it was you know it was very apparent seeing some of those ball speeds today and he threw two shots back by hitting it in the water on 18 He wasn't the top five on strokes gained off the tee this week Which like with his iron play in his short game if he drives it that well He's gonna be a top ten player in the world. So there you go. That's one stat one stat. I'm watching. I'm with you I'm tracking that one I'm just flagging this one and I I don't think we have enough data really to get super worked up about this to this point But Nick Dunlap's driving distance is way down. Like, like way down, I don't really fully understand it. He was 73rd in driving distance on all holes this week. That's might be laying back more. But if you just look again, look at his page, like, his numbers are just very, very down for the early part of this season. And I don't really know if there's a full explanation on that.

75th in accuracy also, like it wasn't, it was a very tough week off the tee for him. But that's a good, that's a good flag to throw. If you look at his, his data golf from last year, I mean, he was pumping it, pump, but very inaccurate, very, very inaccurate. And I'm guessing like with some of those, you know, feast or famineine Weeks that he had it was probably a little bit of like damn man This would be a lot easier to play if I'm just within the corridors So I wonder if he's maybe I wonder if you help on bunting it and trying to trying to stay in play Could be a health thing. I don't know what it is, but I'm just just flat Just that's a very good caution flag on that one. Keep an eye on that one

Sheffield led the field and strokes game approach. He mentioned this TC, but if you're worried about his result all the way back in ninth place this week, I just wouldn't get too worked up about it. He's almost certainly gonna win Phoenix next week. That's good. At least as long as we're keeping the data, you know, that data golf mint green for the top tens, that's all we need. You know, we just need that nice clean line going. Pains me on this one. Uh, our guy Max was 77th out of 70, sorry, 76th, uh, when it went final here out of 78 guys in strokes, getting approach, uh, this week, massive. Not how I thought that sentence was going to end.

You thought it was going to be driving. Uh, it's approach. Um, it is a weird week and that you can dump some mega shots with some big penalties relatively quickly. I haven't dug deep on that. But change, swing changes, equipment changes, all that for our guy, just something that we're monitoring here as the first month of the season comes to a close. Can I ask you, how does it work with the Strokes Gain approach? Because you got very small greens, of course. Is it strictly going on distance from the hole? Or is it going off of, whether you miss the green, you get mega dinged for that? You'll get dinged for that. You miss in the rough, if you miss in the bunker, yes. What it does not, and please, Mr.

Brody, correct me if I'm wrong, it doesn't account for like, if you plug one in a bunker or leave yourself with a great lie in the bunker, you're going to pay for that with your around the green stat and not your approach stat. And if you leave it above the hole. So like, if I was looking like Scotty is the best, like one of the best, if not the best around the greens, I would, I would credit his approach play with a lot of that because he's probably missing in a lot of the right spots and leaving himself

relatively easy up and downs. But point being though, point being if you, if you miss the green, but if you, you know, if you're 30 feet left of the hole in thick rough and 30 feet left of the hole on the green, those are going to count differently. Which is at a place like Pebble Beach can be probably very important. Absolutely. Last was mentioned already, but Lucas Glover's second in approach plays seventh in putting. Like putting day on Sunday but when that guy gets hot he gets hot and just remember that from several years ago he's not a bomber but that man can strike a golf ball and you know there's some golf courses coming up here on the schedule that are not necessarily bombers paradise so keep Lucas Glover in mind there you go that's good stuff I like the Solis monitoring this from its

statistical perspective list that's that's good too it's context man it's kind of I'm gonna be thinking about those when I watch Phoenix this week. There you go. A couple other little news and notes before we shut it down on Pebble. Ludwig WD. So I don't know if you if you got any report from him. Did you see him on the way home? He was he was flying on my American flight home. My flawless you know easy one stop in Dallas and and got us home on time. Bags came out early actually. Bad to worse for TC here that he he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's flight home my flawless you know easy one stop in Dallas and got us home on time bags came out early actually bad to worse for tc here that he he was back of the bus uh unfortunate on that when i asked he's walking by like how you feeling he's not good uh yeah so what what better way to feel

but feel better than than you know fly a transcon with United or with American. Wow, Freudian slip there. Like we can't be having that in the back of the bus. And I hate to do this, but I mean this just, you know, so I don't know if you're doing this on purpose, just directly contradicts the reporting from Randy and Neil on site who said Ludwig was, quote, feeling better. And now you're telling me he's feeling not good it's just I don't know who to believe and I hate seeing you know the beluga stepping on rakes like that out there and Randy you know you'd expect more from a seasoned journalist like him.

Xander also WD'd of course before the week got a feel like that would have been a hell of a setup for him as somebody who drives it great and hits their irons great and chips and puts it great uh it just seems like he kind of would have been there but he's trying to connect his intercostal to the he is 17th green uh tc you had to get you had a question here from the squad we're obviously uh on on site this week yeah uh just anybody you guys saw up close doesn't have to be a pro golfer just saw up close or watched it all, that impressed you. A true I wasn't familiar with your game moment out there. That's all you got on? I saw a shockingly small amount of golf for the time that we were out there.

Content is time consuming as well, but I watched Sahith just pick up a broomstick putter on the putting green and make like three or four straight 15 footers in a row with it. Just like had probably never hit one before. He's just like walked up and said, oh, that's nice. And then just put it right back in. Just like the actual hand eye and coordination and skill of these guys to just throw something

in their hands and do something. It never ceases to amaze me. T.C., you know what? This is a strange one. This is not golf related necessarily. It's not somebody whose golf game I saw up close, but we were at kind of like the sponsored dinner on, what was that, Thursday night?

Yeah. Got to talking with Nico Echeverria at the bar and his fiance. And dude, I true wasn't familiar with your game. What a fascinating dude, man. Like I really, really enjoyed talking to him. guy who lives in Jack's. His fiance played golf at LSU was a freshman when our friend Madeline Sagstrom was a senior just very worldly, interesting people. And I just, man, also like big trap draw listeners,

which was truly like just a huge curve ball. I just, we probably talked to him for an hour. It was a talk about something I just, I did not see coming. Really, so shout out to those guys. If they're listening, I really, really enjoyed, enjoyed chopping it up with them a little bit. TC, what do you got? You probably watch more golf than any of us.

Yeah, I mean, first guy I saw walking out to the range earlier in the week was USGA president Fred Perpahl wearing the ultimate tannable outfit. I think he had a cream cashmere. Sweat and just some really, really crispy pants, big cigar in hand. and just some some really really crispy pants big cigar in hand it's like like just really really owning the space uh i think i think like what i what else i would say the biggest shock of the week was condi rice's bunker game i saw her get up and down twice hands and like one on three that was just outrageously good. And then Qualtrics Ryan, you know, they didn't get it done. They didn't get the dub. He and Big Tone finished tied for second with Sahith and I believe the guy from Adobe. But Qualtrics Ryan, like he almost made

a two on two the first day we're watching him it was it was really really impressive he natural bird on one almost made it two on two and then just just flashing and he's doing that off of a three handicap he should probably be on a plus at this point it seems like he he wants it too doesn't he he seems like he's out there he's out there really really wants it yeah i think that's i think that's right yeah and he's all fighting He's all fired up because he can't get the the right nickname for the hockey team and all that. So he's kind of pouring himself into this. But no, yeah, that was that was kind of most impressive.

And then obviously we talked to NoDo and NoDo. I just completely continue to be impressed by by NoDo. Didn't play great this week, but the double ACL tear on the same play people keep keep reaching out with with other people that have torn out knees But no, I'm not I've not heard of any other ACL pairs exactly. I've heard a lot I've hundreds of DMS of people that are just you know I know this hockey goalie tore both MCLs on the same play. Like, how does it, ACL is the king, man. Broke both ankles. Yeah, you know, it's just, I, I appreciate the people, you know, taking to social media and sharing those thoughts, but that's just not what we're talking about. We're talking about the double ACL, which is,

which is maybe the rarest error. We're yet to hear of another one. So, which is which is maybe the rarest error. We're yet to hear of another one. So yeah, that was that was an absolute highlight of the week. Moving on before before we close the book on Pavel Soli, we were walking around on Wednesday, I believe. We're walking back in and, you know, you walk all the way out to the point, then you walk all the way back in and usually you kind of skip past five and you know,'re just like oh god five is whatever and we kind of stopped this time and I was like alright listen confession. I'm just gonna I'm gonna lay this on you guys like what am I supposed to hate about number five so much cuz everybody bitches about it all the time and I'll Jack just Absolutely, he just destroyed it and what a waste and it's such an unbelievable and like I don't think it's the greatest hole in it in the history of mankind, but like TC I guess before before we get into this cuz I always got a little history lesson here. Like, do you disagree? Agree? What do you think on number five?

in a long time, but otherwise it's just kind of a nothing part three, the biggest choke point on the course, right there just past the tee box is getting out to the rest of the golf course. I don't know, I'm kind of of the mind that there should just be a wholesale change of five and number six, like they could, there could be a back tee on six that tees off across the water with like an angle there. But I'm not sure if the coastal commission would go for it, but no, overall it's a stock part three. It just, I think it's just under realized.

Like a lot of things at Pebble. I think Pebble, Pebble's great, but I just think, man, there's some stuff that they could clean up and Pebble would be all world. Everybody kind of getting to six and like fully deciding, like, yeah, we'll just blow it up in the grand stances as kind of a, that whole kind of getting to six and like fully deciding the gals is blow it up in the grandstands is As kind of that whole kind of seems like it's reached its final form at this point with that. That's that's a tough look But it's all what do we not know about number five take us take us there. So for those that don't know

The the old fifth hole used to play inland it would you would go left basically off of the fourth green and play upward. If you ever wonder why when you leave the fifth green now, you have to walk 150, 200 yards back to the sixth tee. It's because this is of course not the original routing and you used to play up. Pebble Beach Resorts founder Samuel Morse, he regrettably, he said this immediately upon selling it, that he's probably gonna regret this, but sold one lot of oceanfront property before he decided that he wanted to build a golf course.

And it was this lot, that was why until 1998, the fifth hole climbed inland through a narrow shoot of trees around a private home. So this is an old, if you're watching this on YouTube, hopefully, an old Google Earth images showing where the green site actually went. So yeah, you come off the fourth, instead of crossing the ditch, you actually just go left.

This is an old picture of how the hole used to play. It was called one of the only dogleg left par three, which I think I've heard that about 12 different par threes that it's the only dogleg left par three, but this was way back in the day. But if you look at it, the toughest par five in California, shortest par five, this is how it played in the 1992 US open. It just looks not like bullish.

Yeah, I just feel like what we got is definitely an improvement, right? Yeah, I'm not making a value judgment on the current versus the former. I'm just like versus what it should be, I guess. Sure. And I found an old golf club Atlas forum thread many threads about this one back in the day. It's a great reread. But some are, of course, calling it the worst hole in the course. It just kind of looked overgrown. We're not the whole course.

But the the new fifth is where the original course builders wanted the hole to be. But when the owner of that plot of land demanded $50,000 for the lot, which is an outrageous sum in 1916, the hole was moved inland. The oceanfront lot finally became available after its longtime owner Mimi Jenkins died in 1995. In a deal brokered by stock trader Charles Schwab and car dealer Donald Lucas, the Pebble Beach company purchased the land

for nearly $9 million. Pebble Beach got its new hole and in exchange, Schwab and Lucas got the rights to build lavish homes overlooking it. The Zillow on the two homes that overlook it that you'll see there in this site are 16.9 and 13.3 million dollars. There's a road now up there where the old green site used to be. I think those homes are worth a lot, a lot more than that. That's just what Zillow is telling me right now. You see, I don't know what the Monterey monkey looks like right now. But yeah, it's a zestimate.

Yeah, as mentioned, the Nicholas hole has never really captivated anyone. You know, the consensus isn't necessarily that the old hole should have stayed, which the new one could have been better considering, you know, the setting. But a big what if here that people don't talk about is does the sixth hole, if they're able to build this fifth hole along the coast here,

does the sixth hole get built in its current form? Like is it would that you know, or would the sixth hole have been drastically different in some form or fashion? We'll never know. So there you have it. Quick note from the 2000 US Open. This is when the hole was new. There were massive backups on this hole. There's consistently massive backups on this hole. But said the notice from Gary van Sickle in Sports Illustrated.

Spectators may want to strap on helmets because of two large oaks on the left side of the hole. Fans standing there couldn't see incoming shots, which is bad because they're in prime bailout territory, especially when the wind blew off the ocean. Terry Whitman was near the green waiting to watch her husband Ed play the hole when Chris Perry's tee shot conked her just above the temple. She was taken off in a first aid cart but met Perry behind 18th green to assure him she was okay. The beaming was a bad

break for Perry too. The ball caromed off left off Whitman's skull across the car path into deep grass near the fence keeping outsiders away from Schwab's new house. It was just a great article basically of everybody maligning that hole back in 2000 Whitman Lane. They named Whitman Lane after that's an interesting Whitman and Whitman PC I'd never thought of that. That'd be a funny coincidence if not. But anyways, I've always always wondered I you there's very few images of this all if anybody has any other old images of the fifth hole, please send them my way

because I've I've seen very, very few of them. But Cody's showing you the Google Maps there of the two houses that sit there now. But the green was left of even of these houses, which is the interesting part. That is wild. That's like some Torrey Pines stuff there. Just why would we play here when we can just go left? All right, guys, let's move on. And before we do, I want to give a quick shout out to our friends who brought us out to the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am. That was of course AT&T. It was a new guarantee because most things in life are not guaranteed.

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Did you have any any news and notes? You know, I know you you really crunched the data on on the big board and and saw how some of his picks did I threw this together and I think if I'm looking at the absolute value of each pick both over and under picking He was off only by an average of 25 places per player, which I think is actually pretty good. I saw some tweets from earlier in the week. He was of course fluffing himself on Twitter when somebody said his model was better than the data golf model for the week. But I also think that's pretty good. He was the most up. Max Grazerman, he had him in the top 10. He ended up having to withdraw. That was a tough one to Ludwig. We never know. I mean, he could have shot 55. He shot 79 yesterday. Yeah.

Ludwig. We never know. I mean, he could have shot 55. He shot 79 yesterday. Yeah. The quote for Bo Hosler, God, I think he might win and picked him fourth. He finished 69th place. So that was that was one of his, his toughest ones. I also got kind of wrapped up in some of the Hosler stuff. I'll also point out 2024 Beluga Big Board average miss was 23.6 places. So we're going the wrong direction slipping a little bit. He had Lucas Glover finishing 75th and he finished third. That was a tough one. But he nailed the Brendan Todd and he was going to know this one exactly. I mean, he did not fill out the full field. Of course, that was a miss. But the two withdrawals bumped Brendan Todd up to 78th.

He did finish DFL of all the players that finished and Neil picked him to finish DFL. So I will shout that one out. But got within one place of Sepp Straka, picked him to finish eighth. And he finished seventh and then he picked Rasmus Hoygard to finish 23rd and he finished 22nd, which is pretty sweet. So Lee Hodges, he was close. Tom Hoagy, he was close.

But the biggest disrespect was Horschel finishing 77th. He finished eighth. That was tough. Shane Lowry at 61st and finishing runner up, those were very tough. I didn't want to parade on that one, but I didn't get the Shane Lowry thing. That was a tough one. And I will say Harry Hall was, of course, the player that he forgot and he finished T58. So I'm going to, I'm going to say that's a total nothing burger. Yeah. Don't, don't come at the beluga on that one.

Also, also Nico Echevarria finished 77th. Yeah, it was a little bit of a reverse bump this week. You know, any player that we kind of ran into was like, you know, I had dinner with Max. He didn't play great. Did a video with Jordan speed. He didn't play great though. This great talk of, you know, lauding Nico for, for, uh, the great talk we had at the bar. He didn't play great. Doug, Kim tried to bump them. Just didn't, didn't happen. Uh, so yeah, a little bit of a, a little bit of a reverse bump going on this week, but, uh,

I do think that the Beluga is big board. We're going to, we're going to tap him in. He he flew right from Monterey to like undisclosed tropical location. You know, we still got a video from him. So we've got some comments from the beluga. But I believe that's going to be our serve pro mulligan, you know, basically mea culpa of the week. So, Cody, you want to you want to roll that from the beluga?

Ladies and gentlemen, the beluga back. Did some migration. We are now far from Monterey. Just a couple quick mea culpas for me. I'm not going to apologize for Doug Gim. We warned you, that was a mistake. That was in our models. And I also deserve a Mea culpa for the Brendan Todd pick. I mean that was a legendary DFL. Now we got that out of the way. Lowry is an obvious Mea culpa. Said he wasn't a mutter. Looks pretty muddy. That's good stuff from Lowry this week. Don't know if he's gonna get it done, but I will issue a mea culpa there. And Lucas Glover, I think is the other one, top of the leaderboard. I didn't see that coming. And then of course Rory, I thought he was gonna be sleepwalking this week.

He's not. But overall, I feel very good about the big board. And one last mea culpa, and this is to everyone out there, I'm sorry I did not ask John Stanky if he can do the Stanky leg. That was on my list of questions and I just didn't get to it.

So anyway, that's my mea culpa's and yeah, there you have it. Cheers. All right, well, mahalo to the Beluga for calling in from his undisclosed tropical vacation. That is of course our sweating a lot. It looked very hot in the Caribbean. That is of course our surf pro Mulligan of the week. Surf Pro is the number one brand in cleanup and restoration and is known for making any mess like it never even happened with over 2200

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wanted to sneak in here. I don't even really have too much comment to set it up other than, TC you said something I think on Wednesday of like man Scotty's really interesting if you're willing to put in the work to listen to what he says because on its face it can end up sounding kind of cliche but if you really drill down and listen to what he's actually saying I think there's a lot of substance there and this answer. When he's actually saying, I think there's a lot of substance there. And this answer is good questions. When he's asked good questions. And this answer about Pebble Beach and why it's kind of stood up to, you know, stood the test of time and stood up as a great tour venue was a great example, I think.

So Cody, if you want to play this one I think a lot of it has to do with when you look at just the golf course like if you took the ocean out of it I think the ocean obviously has a lot to do with why the golf course is so iconic and I think when you just take That other picture because that's a given I think the golf course with small greens with a lot of pitch I think it it lends you to playing a Different style of golf that you don't see in a typical golf course nowadays I think when you get onto these older golf courses, as they develop over time, like they almost have more of a charm to them where things aren't aren't perfect. Like you look at a hole like number three where there's a cypress tree there

that I'm sure when they originally designed the golf course wasn't supposed to to grow to be a part of the hitting area because the hole was originally designed for you to hit it out there on the right side and hit a longer shot into the green. But with the way technology is now, we can hit the ball a lot further. Guys are more athletic. We do more stuff in the gym. The hole has changed. But the charm of that hole is there's a tree off the tee that you have to curve your ball

around. And now with the technology, it's hard to draw a driver. And so it's hard to hit that hook shot around it and if you were to take an aerial photograph of the golf that hole when it was originally designed you know somebody may say hey let's take out that tree and oh the green was a little bit bigger but as the game develops over time I think these golf courses like Pebble Beach that stand the test of time have that little bit of charm to them where it's different and you have to hit different types of shots like you're not going to see at this golf course the

same shots you'd see at a brand new golf course because they're thinking about distance and I think about all these different things and you know new golf courses are 8,000 yards and the fairways are bigger and the greens are bigger because it's easier to grow grass that way there's less trees but you come to a place like Pebble Beach and it has some of the charm of a golf course that develops and stands the test of time and I think just little examples of stuff like that makes a golf course fun and interesting it's not necessarily about having a huge place like when you play Pebble Beach you have to play shots you can't just hit it as hard as you can every time. Hell yeah. There you go TC what's your reaction to hearing I'm like one of the best dancers I've heard in a long time from anybody on tour for the fact that it happens to be the number one player in the world just makes it hit that much harder. I think we're not looking for these guys to be zany or talk about random stuff or be somebody they're not like I just like I want to I want to hear these guys get to that place more often. And I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's the best answer. I think that's they're not. I want to hear these guys get to that place

more often and talk thoughtfully about golf and what makes them tick. And then also, I've got qualms with Pebble Beach, but some of the weird stuff isn't what I get worked up about. That's what I like. The bunker on two that's down in that gulch, or I love three. I think three is my favorite hole in the course. I think 16 is weirdly fun. Same thing with Chipotle Peck. That's why I dug that tournament because it was small greens, a lot of slope in them, and just really, really non-stock shots

that guys actually had to be creative and think their way around instead of just wailing away on it. Like Rory took a shot at just random TPC courses this week in front of his quotes that I think fits in well here too. Venues matter, man. And this was a great example of it this weekend.

Here, here. Saw anything to add there? No, it's just you're just not going to hear stuff like that about I'm trying to think of an example there. It's the random TPCs that we do too often. I mean there is, he made some good point like there is some stuff sacrificed by going to a course this old. The scale of the game just doesn't really fit the place anymore, but there is some other stuff that gets added in there that at least makes, had some suspense and makes things really interesting. Go out there and see it in person too, just how much the fourth green cants from back

to front and how if you miss on either side of the green, you're chipping downhill even just to the left or to the right because of how that green cants and the wind how that actually, you know, activates all that stuff and accentuates that stuff and really, you know, drives the effect of it all. It's all details that like I don't know if everybody catches all the time at home, but like 16 green too. I love watching putts on 16. Like Rory's putt, the short par putt that he had on 16 was like outside the hole. But you know, you just don't see a lot of greens on tour with that much cants in it. Like Rory's putt that he short par putt that he had on 16 was like outside the hole. But you know, you just don't see a lot of greens on tour with that much can't in it.

And I think there's, you know, I think Rory said TPC whatever was his quote. Could be I think there's I think I like, like spin controls a big thing. Like like watching these guys actually have to control their spin into a perfect examples. Number three, like guys just could not get the ball close this week because they had Like watching these guys actually have to control their spin into a perfect example is number three. Like guys just could not get the ball close this week because they had to land it pretty far back on the green and rip it a little bit. Or I saw a bunch of guys miss long because they got over aggressive and all of that. And it was, you know, I mean, what was the winning score this week?

Twenty-one under and there were, there were what five or six guys, there were eight guys lower than 15 under par of course held its own it's a par 72 as well I don't think it was a push over by any stretch it was just more finesse and creativity than it was power the exception being maybe 14 where you know Roy's Roy's going up on the top shelf which again is seven I think he's the only guy that can do that who can hit it 163 feet in the air or whatever it was For the most part so yeah, but it's such a sick shot

No, it's three six shots Three times uphill downwind from 200 into the green sorry into the green on the whole back green a whole that green like uphill and downwind both you know lead to balls going over once they hit like you just the descent angle is gonna be less when you're hitting uphill and You know when you got it going You know the sent angle is gonna be less when you got it going downwind and to throw it that high up in the air And get that ball to stop easily was just like dude. He he might be the only one that can do that Indeed like dude he he might be the only one that can do that. Indeed. Moving on number

three or actually number 12 as somebody in the comments pointed out this is supposed to be the back nine so I don't know why I'm labeling them front nine holes. Number 12 on the LPGA season opener Aalim Kim is your winner birdies three of her last four holes to win by two over Nellie Korda of course she is the 2020 US Women's Open winner as well, one that a champions. I believe TC and Randy were on hand for that one. Her third LPGA title after she also won in Hawaii last season, just a fun, fun top of the leaderboard. I know it's a smaller field, but Nellie

Korda in second, Lynn Grant in third, Jin Young-Ko and Minji Lee, who shot a final round 62, sharing fourth, Lydia Ko in sixth, and our good friend Lauren Coughlin in seventh. Tough week for signage over there. It looked like maybe on Lauren's front. It's TC. Yeah. They spelled her name wrong on some of the onsite signage, which was do better, which probably leads us into some of the JTBC stuff. Well, yeah, I was gonna say it's a Pro-Am format. So Joe Pavelski, former NHL player, is your winner in the amateur portion. He won by five stable for points over noted scumbag and met

Jeff McNeil. I don't know if he's actually a scumbag, just not a fun player to watch play baseball. But T.C., yeah, what? Actually, speaking of amateur stuff, too, I just wanted to shout out the bandit, Larry Fitzgerald, Doug Gim, finished third to last in the Pebblefields this week after some... Smart. Just throw it back to the field. I think he's down to a six or seven, but yeah Yeah, just you know, I'll never be able to forget the sandbaggery that he

He went with in in route to you know previous victories there. I couldn't agree more Can you fill me in on what's going on with this JTBC? Situation on the LPGA. Yeah, so this is the Saree Pak Fur Hills Championship. It was it was on the schedule last year in March, they played it. Turns out that they didn't pay. And the they is not Fur Hills, which is an investment bank out of I believe Palo Alto area. It's actually JTBC, which is the big Korean broadcasting company that has kind of an underlying deal with with the LPGA for rights like they they broadcast the LPGA in this would basically be like CBS or peacock or golf channel, you know, stiffing the DP, like basically underwriting a DP world tour

event or a Japan tour event or a KLPGA event, and then stiffing not only for this event, but for all of their other, uh, payments as well. Like, and it's kind of underpinning a lot of the revenue for the LPGA. It's a huge market. It's like, you know, one of the top three or four golf markets in the world, especially for women's golf. So Bethann Nichols had a write up on it, Sayri Pak, you know, she had had a kind of a cryptic, you know, post on Instagram that said, I sincerely hope that the honor of those involved will not be tarnished due to the malicious, unverified facts related to the LPGA's official announcement. So she was actually coming to the defense of Fur Hills because that was kind of how it read. And it turns out that it was JTBC. So this kind of portends a larger, more concerning problem if they're not paying their bills. Obviously, the South Korean economy and

a political situation is in turmoil right now. But again, it just goes to show you how weird it was that the LPGA announced their 2025 schedule a couple months ago. Well, knowing that this was clearly an issue, they hadn't cashed a check yet for the 2024 event, much less this year's event, in addition to other, kind of their broadcast rights agreement too. And they went ahead and announced the schedule anyway

with this event on it. So that possibly could have been the last act of the Molly Mark who some on, uh, commissionership, uh, before she was let go or resigned, I should say, allegedly. Gosh, that's, uh, yeah, that's gonna be a fun or depressing one to keep following, think as more comes out about that but what a weird story for your kind of first week of the year. Yeah so basically they like they pay the LPGA some money and then they get a set number of events and the JTBC can recoup some of that money by selling benefits of the event to a third party at their discretion. So they've done it with the Founders Cup and like back from 2014 to 2016 they did it. Then they had the LA Open.

Then this year, you know, this year and last year it was the Palace of Veritas event, which is a bummer too because that was a great event last year. Really interesting golf course to watch the ladies. Super fun. Yeah. I kind of feel like maybe RBC should take this playbook and just do this for the Canadian Open based on how that tournament's gone for them the last couple years as they keep getting just dogged with horrible media announcements and just having all the the uh shine taking off their event maybe they should say we're not going to pay our bills

yeah and uh Cody just said they also swayed the tour to move the international crown to South Korea so uh you know not not great to kind of be at the be at the whims of this JTBC while also not collecting on their debts. Yikes. All right, moving on. Number 13. PJ Tura held a media roundtable of sorts this week, kind of just, you know, open forum, I suppose, to discuss all kinds of different topics. Saul, I know you dug into some of this. I asked you for three takeaways. What do you got that people should know from this? Yeah, we talked a little bit about this on our live shows earlier this week, but three takeaways, and I'll move quickly through these.

Tyler Dennis just spoke a little bit more on transparency. Tyler, the creator. Yeah, sorry. Tyler, the creator, spoke a little bit on transparency on things like fines and slow play and putting information out there about pace of play on an individual player basis. bit on on transparency on things like fines and slow play and, you know, putting information out there about pace of play on the individual player basis and things like that and how they've always just been a secretive organization in terms of protecting the players.

But I think it would serve fans better, you know, to kind of put that some some of that information out there. And that was kind of an overall big takeaway here for me is like they're just they're talking of relatively big game about Being fanned forward, you know, of course, they're not actually Saying a whole heck of a lot There's not a bunch of huge takeaways in terms of massive changes being made in the in the short term But it's encouraging I think at least for them to be publicly putting out there that they know they need to evolve on some things

We know the pace with the tour on this thing These things can be quite glacial. But I just found it interesting that, you know, they're kind of calling for this media roundtable and they're putting this stuff out there. Basically, I was like, Hey, hold us to these specific things, excuse me. That transparency thing being one of them. Second, just about broadcast enhancements. You know, they talked about examples like walk and talks and, you know, being better about cutting out shorter putts and small putts showing more consequential shots. Even kind of tease some things about like-

Like the seven toilet pebble. Yeah, that would have been fantastic. Teasing some things like getting more creative on how the ads are presented potentially about certain holes being presented by certain sponsors instead of cutting to commercial and all that stuff. So monitoring the situation there. And as well on the Tour Championship, Andy Weitz had said that it's been reported that they are exploring alternate formats of the PGA Tour Championship. They anticipate taking a recommendation to the board at our meeting next month, which could be implemented in time for the 25 season.

We've kind of heard some rumblings about what those kind of might be. Some have been reported and we'll obviously cover that when it comes out. What if or what the changes will be, but I think they're encouraging. I think it is kind of like again glacial thing of yeah, this whole torch championship thing wasn't really working here. How do we change it? But this whole again could be talking a big game, but they keep using this fan-forward thing, this, the survey of fans, the fan council, all the stuff that they've done. You know, we've been

screaming for attention to be paid for the fans for a decade now. And, again, it's just words at this point, but they're saying it out loud. And I think that's somewhat of a takeaway from this. that's somewhat of a takeaway from this. It's always kind of a funny balance between needing, obviously to make sweeping changes and not having like the data to pin them on because nobody's going to just come in and convince, whether it's the players or the board or whoever. It's almost like they're looking for these like scapegoats

of just, dude, these 50,000 or however many anonymous fans in this focus group. I don't know, man, they're telling us we got to change. Like, isn't there any, haven't there any adults been in the room over the last like decade who could have come to the fucking conclusion? That's like, I don't know, I think fans just kind of want to see like less commercials and maybe more shots and they just kind of generally want stuff to be better. And instead, it's just like this weird circuitous route. We're just now finding in. You're just like, guys, the data has just come in. And I, again, I get it. You're not going to believe it. I'm not trying to be unfair. Like, I get why it happens and why people end up making decisions that way and blaming it on the data or using the data as a stepladder to getting there. But it's just, it is kind of a little bit funny that takeaways are quite obvious to anyone who's paying attention. It's definitely funny to need to need a, you know, fan council to realize what the very obvious problems are. I mean, shit, Jack O'Farrell had a good thing in his newsletter this week about Monahan talking about slow play and said, what drives the small amount of criticism is the impulse in the modern world to do everything faster than we did it last year. So am I going to push for faster rounds as it stands? No. That was Jay Monahan a little under eight years ago, which, you know, like, like, that's been the leader for here. And

again, I'll just like he's been asleep at the wheel for the last seven or eight years. And the fact that they're actually waking up now is such a delight. And I'm willing to give them some leeway and some patience to all right, they've acknowledged that there's problems there. They're, they're not easy problems to fix. Give them some patience and some leeway to fix them. But I'm glad they're actually talking about him to start out with. Yeah. All right. Number 14. Did you guys see the clip that golf.com posted? I believe it was from the Joe Pomp-Leano podcast. I apologize. I did not listen to the whole podcast, but I saw the clip that golf.com posted. It was an interview with Phil Mickelson talking about, I believe the quote was why, why live will win. And I'm like, Ooh, okay. You're perking up. Maybe this is five moves, chess moves, number 12 through 25, or

whatever his cryptic tweet was. And he goes on to kind of say that it's because when you take a kid to a PJ tour event, it's too slow, and there's too much walking, and they're just not into it. And when you take a kid to a live event, it's much more comfortable. And it just the a kid to a live event, it's much more comfortable. And it just, the whole thing kind of got me thinking about like, it's just a bummer, Phil. Phil might not even have his fastball anymore,

which sucks, because that was like, that was kind of the whole thing that made it fun. You know what it reminded me of? You know that story of when he went and tried out for that AAA team, and he could only hit like 68 on the gun or whatever? Like, that's kind of what, that's kind of what this felt like a little bit was, was getting back into that.

I don't know if you guys had any, any additional thoughts TC, especially since I know you've, you've been hanging it, some of these in-person events and I don't know if you could lend any credence to what he's saying there. No, I mean, it sounds like it all comes back to naps, right? Kids can take naps out there. Yeah, that was part of it too. Just to, I don't know, man, just a pretty tough, uh, pretty tough clip all the way around.

I just can't believe year four, like they're going to win because kids are, you know, kids can talk at the event. Like that's what we're on in year four as to why they're going to win. Like, Oh my God, man. It's just, What? Which listen, man, I, I can, uh, I can sympathize with reaching back for a take and maybe the V lo's just not there Like that, you know that happens to the best of us certainly But you just you hate to see that for one of the foremost like pictures of our time, right? He's got stuff man. The stuff plus models absolutely love Phil, you know with a microphone in front of him That's the best stuff plus model. Oh,, TC, you gotta get up on Stuff Plus.

Stuff Plus? You gotta get on Stuff Plus. You don't know about Stuff Plus? He's doing stuff? Yeah, exactly. Basically, but for pictures. But for pictures, yeah. I mean, that's crucial, TC.

It doesn't play. It's basically measuring how much stuff you have in addition to your velocity. It's like, yeah, horizontal movement, vertical movement, extension, IVB, arm size, all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Okay. It's huge. It's always doing stuff. All right. Number 15, a lot of people calling for this one. I think TC may have even mentioned it earlier. Our guy, Jason Day, pretty much just wearing a sweat suit out there. Did you guys,

did you guys catch his outfit today? Kind of looking like one of the supporting characters with the sopranos or something. I mean he's a big dom. You know kind of like Bradley Cooper in Silver Linings Playboy. Started raining out there. Maybe put the trash bag over him. Yeah so just a photo from Gabby Herzig here. I mean, this is just straight up like sweatpants and a crew neck sweatshirt. I just, I don't know, I guess just maybe a heat check

on A, how you guys feel about this, and B, just where we're at with the Melbourne stuff because, you know, I was very publicly out when it was kind of the big parachute pants in Hawaii last year. Straight up, I think it's been fantastic over the last like three or four months. I think the Pebble Beach-esque kind of sweater he was rocking a couple weeks ago was so sick. And this is just, I don't know, this is one that I'm, this is might be the first like, huh.

I don't know how I feel about this one. This is, this is pretty interesting. TC, what, you know, you're kind of our resident fashion expert. What were your thoughts here? It's very work from home COVID era. COVID chic. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm kind of aligned with you guys on the Malibu stuff's been been really, really good lately. And for a while to be to be fair. This kind of reminds me there was an old Jim Rome thing about a boner and sweatpants. I go to that. So we don't need to relitigate that.

So any takes you want to get canceled for? I was trying to look this up. Yeah I don't know if I need to apologize for any Malvin takes. I don't think I do because the initial stuff was bad. Yeah you guys got canceled. No they should be apologizing to us. We're we're if those were so great they you know they wouldn't stop doing them immediately. I was gonna look this up and I'm trying to look it up as we speak on just like what is, what are the PGA Tour guidelines? Because they have actually very strict guidelines on attire, like in your logo size and all that stuff

that I'm, Malben, they has to have gotten fine for some of the stuff he's done on there. Because you're not allowed to have your words be a certain size or any of that. But don't know if there's any rule on the on wearing sweatpants so I don't know can you wear spandex out there if you really wanted to like I don't I don't see why not I and honestly I what's the line between the joggers and the you know exactly right like it sounds like the policy making the eye test you know

Tyler the craters got his hands full with all this other shit he's not gonna be out there you know measuring the elasticity of people's pants. Something like that. I just, you know what? The more I look at this, the more I think I might be in on this. And maybe it's just, he wasn't, he wasn't there to like, he wasn't in the final group, like contending to win the tournament. I wonder if that would, maybe it felt a little bit ridiculous, but I, yeah, I mean that right picture, like those are just straight up sweat pants.

It's kind of wild that he could not wear this to play a regular resort round of Pebble Beach. He would get asked to leave the first tee. You showed up in that. Legitimately. God, it's fascinating. And you know what? Yeah, now that you say that, I think I'm even more in on it. I think I support what he's doing.

This is kind of like the Randy Audit outfit. This is like the outfit Randy got sent home in before he showed up to go work at one of his audit clients. I don't think that would have even, that would have flew either. All right, number 16, let's move on. And we're gonna bring in a celebrity T-shot here for this one.

Our guy KVV has just been fully monitoring the Bethpage situation since his podcast dropped about the tee time. You know, bots, maybe not bots, definitely bots that was going on in the, with the New York parks department. KVV welcome. Cool hat. And your mic is muted. How is that, is that any better Dej?

That is better, that is better. Greetings, how are you? I'm fabulous, thank you. What's the latest man, what's been going on over the last week or so since the podcast came out? Yeah, so a lot of DMs from people, a lot of people admitting Yes, they too have used bots to get on Bethpage

So I thought that was sort of a fun thing to kind of emphasize that initially when we heard Oh, you know, this isn't really as problem as bad as people say it's actually probably worse There are plenty of people who are admitting to me that they're used bots So imagine how many people are not, you know, willing to admit it. Big strong Long Islanders weren't wearing full gray sweatpants. Eric's estimate that you know, 40% of the tee times being

bought there might be on the low side, even. So our main kind of thing I want to cut to it on our guy Eric who was suspended during the thing that the New York so first of all, I had multiple lawyers reach out to me to see if Eric wanted to perhaps sue the state of New York under the false claims act. I don't think I don't know if that's going to happen. I'm gonna leave that to Eric, but I just thought that was kind of an interesting thing. New York Assemblyman Ed Ra, who represents Long Island District 19, he also reached out to me saying that one of our listeners, Bob Driscoll had sent him the podcast and he listened to it on his drive to Albany. And as a result, he was able to grill

the state budget director about what was going on. And he sort of went at him and after enough of where they actually kind of had to issue a statement. He actually went after them about their Ryder Cup prices too. So while this is not quite as impressive as when the White House had issued multiple press statements for your reporting years ago, once again, we did force an official entity to issue a statement in response to some of our reporting. We are looking into that and the misuse of our system.

We're drilling in to identify if there's a misuse of bots and we take appropriate action to reduce that opportunity," said Randy Simons, the acting commissioner of New York State Parks. It's a real problem. It's a real problem that we're looking into heavily. The People's Country Club, we take pride in that. So after that, which was kind of funny

because initially the state's response was, it's not a problem, we don't think this is an issue. that. So after that, which was kind of funny because, you know, initially that there was the state's response was, it's not a problem, we don't think this is an issue, and then I think enough people listened to the pod that they were like, oh shit, like we actually have to kind of deal with this. So that was kind of a nice win for us. I did have a call with Scott Mattson, who's the Bethpage State Park Director. Scott asked me, he's happy to talk, he just didn't want to record the interview, which I guess I said was fine as a sort of condition of it. The first thing he wanted to make

clear is that Eric's account is was only suspended through sheer coincidence. They know how bad this looks, that he appeared on our podcast literally, the next day his account gets suspended. But they essentially said they have been his account gets suspended but they essentially said they have been so meh-culpa. It was admittedly not great timing. That's quite a coincidence. Yeah so they claim they have methodically been going through the system to clean things up since they issued this in June and they had just happened to get their way through the bees. His last name was Benyak in the alphabet.

And if you believe this, that's up to you, but this was their claim. I think they were a little bit embarrassed by it. They did wanna say that they were happy to remove the suspension of his account. And what they had said was that Eric, and Eric confirmed this to me, actually had an account that he used back in college,

and you're not allowed to have duplicate accounts. He had sort of forgotten that he had it. So to clean it up, he basically just had to call the state of New York and say which of his accounts he was wanted to keep going forward. And Scott said as soon as we clear that up, Eric can book a tea time at any of our courses. He is not banned. We do not even have the power to ban people for saying negative things about state parks. Please do not put it he invited him to come out and spend the day with him in New York and maybe share the data that he had learned from his FOIL requests to see what they could do.

The one thing I would sort of, I guess, express in our conversation that I was a little bit frustrated about was like, Scott, I sent you like a long detailed list of all these questions that you could have sort of cleared up or commented on or stuff beforehand. And basically the state sent us back a very boilerplate response. And he kind of implied, well, no one really actually got those questions to me like chain of command stuff. You just never know. I think probably the one result is like, it became a bigger deal than they realized. So hopefully that speaks to the power of good reporting and our listenership,

I think probably sending a lot of people in state government some frustrated emails about this. The one thing that I think he did ask me to clarify and I think this is very fair is that, I guess it's a little bit of may have a couple. I said on the podcast that the rules say you're only allowed to play the black course once every 28 days and the red course every 14 days.

Technically what the rule says is that you can play the black horse every single day if you want, but you're only allowed to make a reservation every 28 days or a reservation on the red every 14 days. So if your friend group just kind of rotates, who's grabbing the tee time, maybe who's in control of the bots, whatever, you can be in that group and you can just keep playing

those a lot. I would say in this 4up software, kind of dodge some bullets here, maybe we should have kind of leaned a little bit harder on that. A lot of people reaching out in the emails and DMs demanding that 4up get their shit together because these bots are not just a BethPage issue.

There are 2,300 courses around the country. And as you heard in the pod, even baby engineers can sort of take advantage of this software. It's a frustrating issue in Torrey Pines, in Austin, in Chicago Chicago various all places that kind of use this stuff. Madsen the state the Bethpage State Parks Director was sort of actually kind of relieved to see former ticket master Nathan Hubbard

chiming in and the tweets about bots being impossible to stop and he was kind of said to me like if ticket master can't stop bots then how is the state of New York really supposed to stop them? Which I think is probably a fair point. Like how is golf now stopping them? Yeah, what's that? Maybe you call up the the uh the rib and talk to you know and and listen it sounds like Ticketmaster, you know, homeowner hubs maybe he's he's homeless hub's brother. Uh maybe call him for best practices on how to maybe He's got a good understanding of it. You didn't give his title, so just made it sound like his title was Ticketmaster.

Which it kind of was for a little while. Excuse me, Eric, excuse me, he was the former CEO of Ticketmaster. It kind of was. It wasn't working there anymore. It was Ticketmaster. I guess one thing I would just like to sort of emphasize is like the people at Bethpage,

they would love to sort of solve this issue. They hear the frustration with it. It's really kind of more the what's going on in Albany that they just don't care because the the T sheets are books, or at least the people feel like the people in Albany don't care. And so on that note, Eric Edraw, the Assemblyman told Eric that he was not letting this issue go away, that he sent some follow ups to state parks people even after he sort of grilled them, and that he's going to work on some legislation around the use of bots and tee times. So what a fun nugget for us

if we actually help get some legislation passed in the state of New York. KBV, I also think, man, it doesn't seem that difficult to ask for a utility bill or driver's license or something from people when they're checking in. Yeah, I just don't I don't know if I can if I can get down with the state of New York, playing little brother to you know, these big bad bots like you're you're you're the state of New York, man, I don't know, it feels like there's probably a way to get God forbid golf tee sheets under control.

Or God forbid you have people put kick $5 in or $10 in when they're making the tee time put some skin in the games or pay that in full. I mean, you know, just say that you know what you want these tee times. This is a very popular course you're going to pay up front all the way here. Or KVV we turn it over to the city of New York and have Eric Adams fix this problem. Never know, TC, how what Eric could do, you know, what he might find.

You know, it might solve New York's drug problem also. First off, bags. Oh, is there a red door? Things you can find, you know. KVV, while we got you and just speaking of Beth Page, this is a very tangential conversation. I feel like the boys almost got in a legit screaming match. Oh, what? Getting off the shuttle over by what was that, Casa Palmero,

or whatever that is, right by Pebble Beach, as we're getting back to our car. Just talking about Solly just absolutely looking down his nose at us for even suggesting, even suggesting that there's a possibility that Keegan Bradley might make the Ryder Cup team. That's how I remember it. I don't know if, you know. Yeah.

And then misapplying the data. And then he's just, I mean, it was just, just really smug stuff. Soly, I don't know if, what are we, what are we missing here, man? He's like clearly at one of the top 10 Americans right now. I know he's not going to pick himself and it just seems not impossible that he might crack the top six. He's playing really good golf. He's truly still stuck in like 2018. We just need to drag him forward to the new world. I'm not saying Keegan should be on the team.

I'm just saying it's not out of the possibility that he could win once or twice and kind of have to force himself to make a choice whether he wants to sort of have him. It's just, so I will never ever objectively view Keegan and it's just, it's a tough, tough look. No, what are we missing? Please tell me. I don't want to, I can't even chime in

when you phrase the conversation and started in that manner, which is all right. Level setting it Keegan to make the team has to finish top six and points. If he's true to his word, otherwise there's a bold face liar. And I'm going to ask you to defend that. He said he's not going to pick himself. So he's got to finish the top six and points. All right. He's 18th currently in the standings lot, a long way to go.

We're so early in this thing. Very much so. He has a 33% probability of being among the top 12 Americans by the end of the year is what Data Golf is predicting in their Ryder Cup models. You said I was throwing away, I don't even know what models I was throwing away TC. I don't even understand where that is coming from. You were saying earlier that you scoffed and then you said Big Tone is unequivocally better than Keegan even though they're I think their world rankings would would differ. Certainly Keegan's rank higher in data golf now

than Big Tone is like I think he's 20. They're right next to each other. Big Tone is 24th. Also they're right next to each other. We'll check it after this week we'll see what it's like after this week. A better course fit for Beth Pageton. All the distractions. It's not even factoring Big Tone's seventh kid yet either, right? You guys were saying, Dej is saying that he's one of the six best Americans.

There's not six better Americans than Keegan right now. He doesn't say he is. He said he's got to look at it. We have to prepare as though he possibly could be. Somebody could go for it. He's like number nine right now in the data golf rankings. Certainly can move to number nine. So, Holly just wants to simulate the rest of the season

and just. We haven't even factored in that Keegan used to sneak onto Bethpage all the time, you know, that he was there. Have you not heard that? In the famous, you know, 1999 putt. So that has to be factored in. If you look, if Saul's gonna factor in all these things for JT last year, I feel like we need to,

for two years ago, I think Keegan should deserve those same courtesy, the special sauce factor. You guys are trying too hard. You're trying way too hard. Keegan might have to be lost. I think the audience is with us, frankly. Such a reach. Such a reach.

Now, Sal has got this whole list of guys who are unequivocally talented. Please let us all know in the comments how you feel about his twisted defense of JT in the past, but not Keegan this time around. We're not talking about captain's picks. JT was a captain's pick. He is not going to be a captain's pick. This is what we're not talking about being... if Keegan wasn't the captain, I would say yeah there's probably a very good chance that he would be on this team as a captain's pick. All right? That is the frame around the conversation. He's the captain. He's the captain. He has to

finish in the top six to make it is according to his own words. None of you will address that. What do you think the probability is that he finishes in the top six in the points? I don't care what the probability is. It's still possible. It's higher than what you're saying. Yeah, that's where I'm at. I think it's probably 10%. 10% chance. That's not insignificant. Here's what I'll give you. Here's what I'll give you as a lock.

Okay, Scotty, Zander, Morikawa. Honestly, that's it. And Bryson, as locks. Bryson won't be on points, almost certainly. There you go. So that's even, that's another one that he's gonna jump ahead. So like, let me just play the coin flip game. Could Keegan have a

better year than this person? JT? Could he? Yeah, I would say about literally every other player like he could. Okay, alright, fine. Will he then if that's what you if that's how you want to play it? JT. I would say no. Cantlay. I would say no. Right now, yeah. Cantlay is hashtag not trending. Sam Burns.

Yes. Russ Henley. Could be, could be, of course, yeah. He's better fit than Henley for sure. Max Grazerman. Yes. Those are the only players that are ahead of him on the data golf rankings.

Aletouris better get on his horse. Is it is it shocking that he could, you know, beat out all the in a pool of like 20 guys right now and you're just picking his name out to be like to to imply that he would have a better chance on noisy data eating, beating these top six guys. What are you relying on? I'm in my gut. I think mostly what we're feeling like is that the American like bottom of the lineup is pretty, pretty bad. Home field advantage is going to be really put to the test if

that's very thin at the if that's one thing I've got. I've got an issue with I need to take it up with with Dodo and and NLD. Sep did not get credit for his AMX win in the European standings because it was opposite a Rolex series event which are we doing this to you know improve the quality of play on the DP World Tour are we doing this to put in place the best team improve the quality of play on the DP World Tour? Are we doing this to put in place the best team? Right? Agree. I stand with Sepp.

So do you know who the 12th ranked American in data golf is right now? I don't think I want to know. It's probably like Davis Thompson or something like that. Captain America, Patrick Reed. Oh God. It's not good. I don't feel good about any of this right now,

but all right, let's just go around the horn right now. Kevin, will Keegan play in the 2025 Ryder Cup? See, stick your neck out. Come on, he will win the Masters as I've already said. So after he wins the Masters, it's gonna be a tougher decision. I might be I'll have a box into a corner. He might just like permanently be on the team after he wins the Masters. And I win $7,000 or something.

DJ, will Keegan play in the 2025 Ryder Cup? I think yes. I truly do. I cannot believe I'm saying this. TC. I sincerely do. Yes, he will. I'm sticking my neck out, Sally. I believe in something. Mr. Rav. Not just your noisy ass misappropriated data. I'm not even using it. Literally just using the Ryder Cup standings.

How hard this is going to be to qualify on points. The point system stinks. It's not working in his favor. He doesn't like come into the year with a big advantage in the points like it's not. It's not good. All right. Well, listen, we got we got that on the record now. And thank you to all who and we got Furek as an ass captain, you know, Furek, who's right, that was named in wildly actually I'll ride for like one. Alright, one piece of continuity in some way through

through Furek and some of the lessons he's learned over the years. And I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm

going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in. I'm going to throw that in I'll actually I'll ride for like what all right one piece of continuity in some way through through Furek and some of the lessons he's learned over the years it's still gonna be done a different way I think what I can tell from here on out I'm subscribed to Keegan's captaincy here there's no there's no Keegan hate here in all this I I my my endorsement of him not playing is a subscription to his his captaincy. I think he's going to be a good leader. And I don't think he's going to want to deal with any of the distraction that you guys are trying to sprinkle in here.

And I'm not going to fall for that. Are your scouts, Inc. brainiacs still involved or? I would assume they are. I have not spoken to them in recent months. Farb it all out to Chad. I've had other priorities. Do you think at the opening ceremonies that Keegan will have Pepsi like whipping the flag around like he did back at Medina? Because I'm in on

that. I think there's gonna be some sort of some sort of shenanigans in some way. Alright KBV thanks thanks for hopping on man. Glad to hear you know things might be moving forward. I'll be maybe a little glacially but we'll take some progress. Be the change you want to be and see in the world, Dej. That's what we're trying to do here at NLU. I love it. Alright guys, a couple more a couple more holes to this back nine. Number 17, our guys Gil Hansen and Jim Wagner just announced that they are going to be doing the next golf course at Forest Dunes. Golf course we visited in our Tours sauce Michigan season complex.

We visited. It is. That's right. The entire resort we visited. That's right. It is going to be for students fourth course. It's called skyfall, which is, I don't know, not interesting. I feel like you could come up with a name that wasn't a Bond movie, but I'll take it. So at least it's a very good Bond movie at the least. It's gonna be their first original design in Michigan and it's gonna operate, it sounds like kind of like the Lido. It's gonna operate like a private club but with limited tee time set aside for resort guests.

Just flagging that for the buddies trip planners out there that was announced this week. Anything to add from you guys on that one? The routing looks awesome. Looks like the land looks wild. Yeah, quite a bit of quite a bit of elevation change. I know kind of clubhouse sits up on in the middle and then it goes, you know, big kind of infinity tee shot off the first hole then comes back up

to the clubhouse on nine and then on the other side, it kind of same kind of infinity tee shot off the first hole then comes back up to the clubhouse on nine and then on the other side it kind of same kind of thing so some cool short par fours and everything. Yeah I think it's a good thing for the resort. I think that one of the biggest things with Forest Dunes has been I think it's been a tough place to staff and they haven't had enough lodging I don't think and so hopefully this kind of gives them critical mass of, you know, three, three full on courses, I guess, four, if you count the loop both ways, and then the bootlegger, which maybe maybe they can do some work on the bootlegger, the the par three course as well. It's about the least enjoyable par three course

I think I've ever played. That was hard. Anything that just it's stiff competition. If you, you know, out there in the resort world and going from two to three courses is, uh, you know, a dip, there's a lot of places have a lot more offerings, right? And maybe this gets us back up there to see for another look at the loop, not under the conditions that we played it in and maybe we'll get, uh, maybe it'll get its redemption on us. I like in to be fair, I don't dislike the loop and like I just

dislike the same six holes both ways. I think, you know, it's just a lot of pushed up greens. I'll say but yeah, I would say the the bootlegger should be renamed license to kill. Maybe appropriate for kind of how that one played. I think all of us were scrambling for doubles and triples on half the holes out there. God, I'm trying to remember some of my favorite Bond movies. I'm due for a big Bond rewatch.

God, I love the Bond movies so much. All right, our last hole, the finishing hole, the home hole, TC, this looks like it's about a quadruple dogleg here. It is. I got a TGL hole. Take it away. Pick your plunder.

Yeah, just kind of clearing out the notebook here, guys. Olly Schneiderjand's won in India at DLF. I know it's our favorite player design with the Styrofoam bunkers and such. You know, this is kind of a positive and a negative. On the negative side, he tried to get really scummy TIO on the 72nd hole, I think, and didn't end up getting it. He ended up chipping in from the spot that he was trying to get TIO from, which is absolutely

outrageous. But I think earnestly, he had double hip replacement surgery a couple years ago, and has kind of had to relearn just like how to play golf and create a brand new swing and talking to the guys out at TPI, just about that process. It's pretty remarkable that he's, he's, you know, gotten back to this level and then beat, you know, you say what you want about the international series, but went all the way over to India, beat Bryson, Bryson finished second, Joaquin Neiman, honest Abe, Sally's guy Kazuki Higa was in the field as well. And you're only like, I don't remember this. I don't remember. He's I think he's a manipulator. He was on the Japan tomorrow. He's a manipulator. There were only like three or four guys under par at all and ended up.

I think I heard the shotgun start guys say the cut was seven over something like that. Something that was. Yeah. But yeah, that was just, you know, been rooting for him. And it's good to see him, you know, kind of learn how to play a brand new brand of golf. So he was in golf swing, like it's wild watch. You just watch him swing it now compared to how he used to. And he would, he was the dude also, or at least a dude in that class that was just absolutely stacked with, uh, with guys always enjoyed, enjoyed watching him

play and, and, you know, making some content over the, over the years. I'm sure he's been on the pod, right? So, you know know we did some videos Long time ago the day but way back today. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I always enjoyed enjoyed talking to him So good to see him on the way back That's that's the t-shot. Yeah next we're going to Panama Panama Championship dynamite delay

This is so good Dynamite delay. This is so good. This is spectacular. Ryan French, do the blasting from the construction site left of hole number 15 today between 1230 and one o'clock. No play will be allowed on hole 15 during that window. This is on a cord fairy tour down in Panama. Just kind of a one of a kind player text message

to be sent out to the squad there. No playing due to dynamite. What do they do? Like, if you got, did everybody just wait? I think they just wait and place. We are holding players in place. I think they just play, they keep playing on the rest of the course and they just wait on that hole.

Did you get some massive backup there? I guess so. I don't know. It's amazing. First time I read it, I thought they were just like not counting the 15th hole for the whole day. Like, just skip it when you get there. Just go past it. Everybody take par.

Boom goes the dynamite baby. I can't our guy Hank Lebiota finished solo fifth, you're counting at all. And that's a win at t seven and a fifth for the big lebiota to start the year. Nick Cabral checkk from UNF, he finished tied for second. Pearson Cootie was in prime shape heading into the final round but finished with a 75 to fall down the board. I'll say this again, a lot of people have been all over me just have been all over me just to keep an eye on a few guys that are on this this leaderboard. Neil Shipley, T9 for him as well. So very good there. Let's head to Bahrain for our third shot guys. Three-man playoff over there. Once-in-future

clique Laurie Cantor as we mentioned earlier in the show. Is he a possibly I mean he's been a clique he's been a majestic he's been he's been a joker or a wild card he beat Dan Brown and Pablo Larrothable Larrothable in a playoff and this is Laurie's second DP World Tour win in like eight months he won the he won the European Open last June as well so and And then, yeah, and actually, not really any live corner this week. Took me a second. I was like, wait, did he have, did he have kids? What was the, Oh, no, right. Cause they're about to, they're going to win because of the daft. Got it. Uh, Rick Shields did declare himself a Cliques fan in a video.

He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan.

He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was a fan of the Cliques fan. He was like, wait, did he have kids? What was the Oh, no, right. Because they're about to they're gonna win because of the dafts got it. Rick Shields did declare himself a Cliques fan in a really, really painful, painful video that he posted reacted to their new rebrand. And I'll just tell Rick, there's no room on the bandwagon for you, but wow, gatekeeping, find another squad. You'd see

Bruce through through thick and thin man. Like no thanks. Just because we as soon as they roll out the sleek branding TC that's horny. What's the bad signal for everybody to go buy their cliques hats. And then TGL got a little look ahead. We got the ball frogs versus LA golf club. Nervous week one potential trap in for my Rory and Adam Scott against Tommy more Akawa and Rose. It's actually a pretty good matchup. Yeah, it you know, ball frogs licking their wounds after humiliating loss to to solid Jupiter links. So yeah, potential trap game for my my LA GC out there. Hopefully they bring the noise. Mike Trout joining Jupiter Lynx as a as a limiting partner.

That's right. Yeah, congratulations. The momentum Jupe Lynx has right now. I mean I don't want to alarm anybody. They're sitting in a playoff spot right now. How many teams make the playoffs? Four out of six. Yeah, six. Four out of six, but they've got a spot right now. So they're in fourth right now, a point ahead of Boston Common. Boston Common got a point for the overtime loss, which is, I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah.

That stinks. Take it away. Guys, otherwise, anything else from Monterey in the week? Any other thing we wanna to tie a knot in? No, I don't think so. I mean, just shout out to AT&T for having us. I mean, we kind of got a little misty-eyed towards the end of the show on Thursday, I think, of just kind of a what a world moment, you know, going and doing stuff on site at Pebble and looking out at the fourth hole while we're recording podcasts. And talking to the CEO was like, John Stanky was very cool. As Neil said,

like that's, you know, if you if you want to fart on us for for that one, you're well within your right. But like, man, any chance to talk to somebody like a business achiever of that level was just really freaking cool, man. I really enjoyed talking to him. So the context of all the conversations that have happened around golf and what sponsors want the sponsorship pod that we did, like talking to a guy that sponsors an event and what he gets out of it, sponsor exemptions, all that

stuff. Yeah, if you want, like you said, you feel free to dog on us if you want to. We were not like, we're not the rights holder of the golf like pausing the golf to do a CEO interview, like which is what we've ripped on for for many, many years on on telecast. That was not it. This was a dive into some golf related topics with an influential person in the world of golf, which I really, really, really enjoyed picking his brain on a lot of things. And, I mean, kind of, I guess where a lot of some of our frustrations with the tour and golf in general have stemmed from like not being able to do things like this past Week like we were this time like having a sponsor with a vision to bring us out and be like hey do your guys thing

Do your show like we don't you know, we're not this whole thing doesn't need to just be about AT&T It's like do your guys kind of six hours of bonus content from on site this past week It was a lot of fun to do and we were set up very well to do it. And shout out to the PGA Tour honestly for like, in the past, there's been times where they get in the way of this kind of thing and that did not happen. And those are compliments that we are not usually paying them. So when it works out as well as it did, we gotta say thanks to a lot of people involved with that because it was a lot of fun. Stanky's Stanky sent his business his 10 business principles over to I'm so excited. Dive into that this week. Uh, I got a shout out. I had 12 different soups on the trip.

12 actually 11 different soups because I had the same one at at the chopsticks Vietnamese restaurant twice but 12 different soups I did want to shout out add Astra the the bakery in Monterey as well best bakery I think I've ever been to these high praise. Yeah, high praise. And then lastly, I just wanted to say I'm still comprehending how big of an imbecile Derek Sprague is. The PGA of America incoming CEO. I can't wait to keep unpacking that.

But really like a nobody Derek Sprague kind of thing last week at the PGA show as far as the interviews go. Just a quick one in the kneecap on the way out. I'm sorry. Couple of housekeeping things. We have another video with Jordan Spieth, much like we did last year at the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am. A bunch of questions with Jordan Spieth. Pretty simple. Fire up the cameras and just throw a bunch of questions at him. He's a great sport in answering all of those. He is obviously incredibly well-spoken

about all things golf swing. We asked him a bunch of non-golf questions too. So that's up on our YouTube channel. We got an interview pod coming on Wednesday. Can I just say, he's gotta be in on the solely bit at this point, right? I mean, that's- I don't know, it's impressive either way.

Either he's, he might just be so not online that he's like, he doesn't see any of it. You might have to start spelling it S-O-L-E-L. I think it's S-O-U-L-Y the way he pronounces it. Totally. God, it's so good. We've got an interview pod coming on Wednesday. We've got an LPGA season kickoff episode coming.

TC, what's going on in the Trap Draw? Yeah, Randy and I are chopping this week. We're back for a chop session. And then I'd just like to say thank you to everybody who reached out with such positive, constructive feedback about the Ballenowers episodes. And really, I'm just excited to get deeper into my family, Eagles Nation. I'm a proud Eagles fan now and I'm excited to join you all. Congratulations, man.

Yeah. Big, big couple of weeks coming up for you and Eagles Nation. Fly, Eagles, fly, things of that nature. I think last thing, Ness gifts have landed, you know, the hot topic of conversation on the refuge. A lot of strong opinions in both directions on the Ness gift, as there always is. And if you listen, if you want to get in on this annual tradition, go sign up for the Ness. You know, NoLingUp.com join. I got a big year ahead of all kinds of all kinds of Ness stuff that we're going to be working on. So

final thing here, Dej, I do have a spreadsheet going called the NLU record for when we when we throw these various claims out here, I do not do a very good job of keeping up to date. But just want to clarify what's in there for the people as a little going away person here. But I started this mid summer last year. But the question was, does OXA win a major? That's one of them TC I do not have you on record for that one. If you want to enter a plea on the on that one, I can tell you what the rest of the group has. I'll say no.

Okay. I have a yes. Neil has a yes. Randy has a yes. DJ and TC are on no because they're no fun. Does Davis Thompson win a major? Only me and DJ waited on this one. I'll put in hope not for TC. I said no DJ said yes After the John Deere last year, he's really good. Just wait. Just wait. He 2.0 More majors was Xander or ROM. I said Xander Neil said ROM DJ said Xander TC said tie That is officially in the record over under, under, majors for Xander. I don't know what we set the over, under at,

but we all said over. Xander, career, Grand Slam. I said yes, Neil yes, DJ yes, TC said no. He will not win the career Grand Slam. Who do we feel better about winning the career Grand Slam? Xander or Rory? I said Xander, Neil said Rory, DJ said Xander, TC said Rory, DJ said Zander, TC said Rory.

Can't lay or Sung J. I don't know what that, I don't know what can't lay or Sung J means, but only me and DJ said Pat and nobody else weighed in on that one. So, and then TC said that Ludwig would win a fight maybe, I don't know. Could be. TC said Ludwig will win a major and four events in 2025. Okay. I don't know could be TC said Ludwig will win a major and four events in 2025. Okay Sick on Keegan Playing on the US Ryder Cup team this year. I said no DJ. Yes TC. Yes KVV No, which should make you guys reconsider your position. No

We're fucking legends or the Right on all this stuff or to stick your neck out and believe in something The giraffe is not sticking his neck out on this one. That's what I'm gonna be fucking legends when that happens. Is the point to be right on all this stuff or to stick your neck out and believe in something? The giraffe is not sticking his neck out on this one. That's what I'm saying. Maybe read the temperature. He's doing it too much. He's had his neck out there too much. He's exhausted.

Guys, I think that's gonna do it for a long, long, long week of content from Pebble Beach Week. Congratulations to Rory McElroy. Thank you to everybody who watched all of the live shows. Thank you. Thank you to you guys. Thank you to Cody. Thank you to Matt behind the scenes. Thanks to KVV for hopping on. Thanks to High Noon. Thanks to Titleist. Thanks to AT&T. Thanks to ServPro. And shout out to Panther Mike. Another great week. I hope we can do it again next year, guys, because I had an absolute blast. So without further ado, we'll see you guys later this week. Cheers. Crack on.