No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 954: Detry Dominates in Scottsdale

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Today was a day for blowouts as, long before the Chiefs were taken to the woodshed by the Eagles, Thomas Detry lapped the field at the Waste Management to win by seven shots for his first career tour victory. We break down the action from Scottsdale and then make the turn for our Back 9 (54:00) to talk LIV Riyadh, Tiger's return, DT's potential involvement in the merger process, LPGA news, Charlie Hoffman's letter, Lucas Glover's aimpoint comments and more. Support our sponsors: Titleist The Stack Holderness & Bourne Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langa podcast. My name is DJ. We are here to break down a fun week in the world of golf.

Little Waste Management Phoenix Open. The LPGA is running around in Florida. You leave me know gets her first win. We've got some corn fairy to her action. We've got Liv Riyadh. Of course, we've got all kinds of things to get to. Of course, to help me do it. Got my guy, Sali here.

Sali, greetings. Hi, hello. Annual Super Bowl recording. We're off a little early and we might, we never wrap up when we say we're going to, but we might be able to see the first quarter for the first time in a long time. I think so.

And you know, speaking of which, I mean, what a thrill here as his beloved birds are about to kick off junior ball, no, or trod Carter in the house. No senior, senior ball, no, or maybe, maybe ball, no, or emeritus at this point. Go birds. I truly, from the bottom of my heart, I want to thank all the Eagles fans out there for opening your arms to me. I've the last couple of days have been absolutely incredible. What a warm, gracious, hospitable group of people. Seriously, they've welcomed me into their clan as one of their own and I couldn't be happier.

I think I'm gonna be a lifelong Birds fan after this. My guys see me. Baldorz, it's so fun, because Neil was fricking electric when joining it and you do ride in your car and I could totally sense anybody riding their car, just wanting to yell out. If he was making, giving you examples of stupid push takes of just like,

I'm screaming in my on the, on the plane. Like, what are you talking about? But that was, it was fun. Only like, that's what I wanted to yell about. Like you just are completely discounting his running. Well, yeah, he's a quarterback. As always, go listen to the Trap Drop Podcast, folks, if you want to, if you're looking for some non-golf action. Guys, I'd love to take just a moment here. Before we get started, give a quick refresher on Titleist's GT Driver lineup, the latest generation of the tour's most played driver brand for six seasons and counting in case

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Phoenix Open. I mentioned this off the top, but Yalime Nogue, it's her first win on the LPGA down in Bradenton, Florida. Kyle Westmoreland, Cody's guy wins in Bogota. Great week down in the corn fairy tour. Adrian Moran and lesion 13 both go wire to wire at live Riyadh under the lights. Can't wait to talk about that. And TC how Tong Li is officially bucking his head in Qatar. We've got all kinds. I'm just getting word across the wire that Thomas D

tree just pulled an Elkington taking the lead into the final round and shooting the low round of the day with a birdie there on the 18th, uh, pretty 16, 17, 18, and burning 17, 18 to shoot a 65 at the low route of the day. We're just recording this as it, as this is wrapping up as two kids are running onto the green. It's wonderful seat. Which is cool because I guess maybe we start there, a guy that, you know, if he was kind of known for anything, it was known for maybe, maybe being a little bit of a gas leaker as, and when he got into some of these important final rounds and you could see it with like the shot, I think the shot on 14 shot on 15, like there were a couple of moments where it was like,

Ooh, I don't know. Daniel burgers fired at flag sticks. This guy might be doing his normal thing. And then the shot on 16 just absolutely sealed the day, hits it to about a foot and a half. Bertie's the most famous hole at TBC Scottsdale. And then now, as you said, polishes it off with Bertie's at 17 and 18 as well. It's all- 65, 65 on the weekend.

I mean, there it is. It would have been a McKenzie Hughes if, or no, was that 66, 66? That was 66,66, but that was on a win. Yeah. You can't win. And I think that was on a par 70. Maybe this is on a par 71. Who knows? Maybe this is a Thomas Detry. Well, so I'll throw it to you first. What, what, you know, when I say Thomas Detry, what was in your mind before today? What's in your mind now? It was very much a I don't even think about you at all. But prior to this week, honestly, you know, he's been around for a long time, has not really done much that it's especially noteworthy except just play

decent professional golf, professional golf. And the play on Saturday was what had me it was my fan. I mean, he had a five shot lead going into today, but it was under minus 200 to win. I think I had to do with you. I was like, this is the pick. Like, but it was under minus 200 to win. I think I had to do with you. I was like, this is the pick. Like he's going to win minus 175 to win. Uh, it was just the way he did it Saturday about how easy everything looked, uh, and kind of the formula that he was using.

And he just, at no point did I, he got down to a three shot lead today. And at no point did it feel like he was going to give that one away for me personally. I just did not think he was going to just cause he was, you know, keeping it between the Mayo and mustard just look like he was going to give that one away. For me personally, I just did not think he was going to just cause he was, you know, keeping it between the Mayo and mustard just looked like he knew how to play that golf course. And it was wild. The impressive, this is the time of the, you know, with the Sunday winter where you say, how is this guy not one more often? Cause the guy just blew the field away and won by seven. Like, I don't know if we've fully said that part out loud yet.

He won by seven TC. What about you? Yeah, I think, Hey, they got to update his picture on Wikipedia. It's from the 2009 KLM Open, which I believe was 16 years ago. He was 16 years old. Add from what Sally said, he made every putt that he had to make, both Saturday and Sunday, it seemed like he potted well. He's definitely had a tendency in the past to, you know, kind of bottle things a little bit. And he didn't do that at all today. It could be, you know, maybe it's kind of like a big tone situation, right? He's, he's just kind of vanquishing his fears. Although, you know, Sally would just say, Hey, that's just law of averages. And kind of the universe normalizing like two sentences away from like, why don't they just send the tournaments?

Right? I, I, I will say, uh, you know, thanks to our friends at data golf, he has not had the big tone, bad luck. He has just had bad play. Right. Yeah. Data golf has their, you know, expected play in, in final rounds. And so they, they had a chart that they tweeted out, like basically when he's been in the top five going into final rounds, I forget how many, how many different instances that was, but he was basically minus 1.1 strokes gained based against his expected play. So he just, a, a bottler TC you, you called it.

Uh, but absolutely ran through the tape this week. I think the crazy part is like, like he played he's been on the on the D.P. World Tour for forever, it seems like. And he's been playing PGA Tour, I think, last three years mainly. But over there either. Yeah. What challenge to win to his name lost in twenty twenty one to Matt Fitzpatrick, I believe. Or was that Matt Fitzpatrick, I believe.

Was that Matt Fitzpatrick or Min Woo Lee in the Scottish Open in 2021. But otherwise, the only thing he's won was with Thomas Peters, his fellow Illini. Yeah, he won the World Cup. 2018 World Cup down at, was that at Metro, that one? I'm not sure which one that was. That was at Metro. So, you know, proper which one that was. I was at Metro.

So, you know, proper golf course. But yeah, really good player. I mean, like, it's kind of like he's what? Thirty now. Thirty one. And it's it's like, damn, dude, kind of a weird, late blooming situation. Yeah. If you're if you're getting into the stats, like he just doesn't really have the approach game.

It seems like he's he's negative strokes gained approach most weeks. So there is a little bit of a, you know, you hear everybody talk about how talented he is. I think he puts the lights out and just with the irons has not really overperformed or not, you know, which kind of seems like the fastest way to become a guy who's constantly in contention for victories. But you know, second in the field with the irons this week and there we go, man. There you have it. So what were you going to say? I was gonna say like just going back to that pressure tool thing from David Gulf that you're talking about.

He's had an expected win of almost two and a half wins going into the final rounds. Like he like it's going where you start the final rounds, like you should have won two and a half tournaments and he had one zero, uh, give it like it was a, it was a, it was some really, really bad final rounds. But, uh, I, it's so funny. Dej, like that approach play doesn't, doesn't, I don't know if he's made swing changes or kind of what to expect going forward, but watching that iron play all week was just like, what the hell? How does that ever go wrong?

I know he's one of those guys that like, he just watches golf swing. You're like, yeah, no, that's, that's it. That's what, that's what golf swings look like. He's each this guy, you know, it's like one of those things you can get yourself in trouble when you don't actually look up the numbers, right? Where you just watch him play. You're like, oh my God, just an absolutely elite ball striker. And then I had to look, I was like, I actually know he's like, doesn't hit it very good. Like, I think maybe that's why it hasn't, hasn't won very well. Yeah. Uh, guys, fun tidbit. He's coached now by the same guy that coaches

Adrian Moranke. Big for our guy, Jerome, Jerome Thunis or Theonis. He he used to coach Peters as well. So like, I think for me today, the shot into 11 that he hit was like wildly unnecessary to go to me. You might have tugged a little bit. But the fact that, like that's a 470 yard, you know, par four, one of the hardest holes in the course and he made it look like child's play.

And I thought, you know, overall, like part of the reason I enjoyed watching this weekend so much was because like the setup was just awesome. Yeah. It seemed like, I know JT mentioned that on the broadcast, they, they seem to have made a point to, you know, shove some of the pins a little bit closer to the edges and spots. And Sally, you said it on X just a matter of like, there's actual slope in these greens and plateaus. And there's, there's like, a

difference between an okay shot and a good shot and a good shot and a great shot. And there's short grass all over the place like six, you know, like, right behind 16 perfect example of, you know, DTree hit the shot that that he needed to hit he landed it in the exact right spot burger hit it maybe a yard and a half two yards past that and you know, yeah, it was a two shot swing right there. So it's, it's just, yeah. Like burgers. I have no idea on this, but it looked like burger had like, um, you know,

lower lofted club, too much club and couldn't, you know, trying to jam it back there. And it looked like it was a perfect number for Dieter. He'd get the right amount of spin on it. Maybe burger was taking some off of it, but it shoots right through. You know, we're going to do some, a couple of stats, uh, uh, later on, but 57% of the field hit the green on 16 today to that back pen, whereas 82% of the field hit the green on 16 today to that back pin whereas 82% of the field was hitting it on Friday and Saturday. And to your point, TC, like a lot of, you know, we get really bogged down hating on a lot of golf courses for being formulaic and being like, I understand why Torrey Pines

has thick rough, right? Because it's a bad design and like how to, how to challenge the best players. I don't, it's, you know, it's not the way I would like to see them challenged, but like that golf course makes sense to have thick rough because there's not some of these angles and green contours and variety of shot styles into those greens, like we're going to get it at TPC Sawgrass, right?

So it's a course that plays well with less rough and also just doesn't have a ton of rough to begin with because you get farther off of that and you end up in these sandy areas with bushes and trees and all kinds of creative shots that are required to get out of those. And all of those spots are bad angles to come into these greens. It matters, which again, it's only going to matter if the greens are firm only going to matter if the contouring is interesting and all the greens, the contouring is interesting and it's only gonna matter if the pins are in interesting spots.

So they do an unbelievable job with the setup of this. Like just watch the 17th hole, the front right pin on Saturday, I've never seen it, correct me if I'm wrong, I've never seen it jammed up that far in the front right. How all the short grass all to the right and all the contouring around it created so many interesting shots

of not only did you have to play one into the bank but kind of the way that knob worked in that front right was you had to play it you know kind of at an angle at the proper angle up the knob to get it to go up there and it's almost hard to appreciate how uh you know talented these guys are at some of these shots because way too often we just see them flopping 60s out of the rough. And so I'm ranting on it because it gets me like legitimately excited watching this golf tournament. I freaking love this golf tournament.

I think beyond that too, it forces them to think. And that's just, that's the most underrated thing out there. And I think overall, like, you know, I've played probably four or five Weisskopf courses and they're all like, I don't know. I feel like I've had to think on all of them. There's always a good short par four or five Weisskopf courses. And they're all like, I don't know, I feel like I've had to think on all of them. There's always a good short par four or two. There's always some engaging par threes. And, you know, it's just really interesting.

I apologize. Freddy is outside hitting basketballs against the garage door. Sounds like that hoop is fixed that I allegedly broke. So go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I think what's kind of funny about this golf tournament is that it is so widely known and popularized as like just a complete shit show and just go and drink your face off and whatever. And it weirdly is one of the most thinking like proper tests on the PGA Tour.

You know, I was watching it today and I think the best example probably or the most extreme example is like look at Scottie's front nine versus his back nine today. You had 31 41 and when you have it going on a golf course like that, it looks really easy. You know, it looks like when you can control your spin, you can control your shape, you can control where you're pitching the ball, where it's running out to and you make a couple putts. It's like man, you could absolutely go shoot 64 and when you don't, it's like man, you could absolutely go shoot 78 out there as well don't, it's like, man, you could absolutely go

shoot 78 out there as well. And it just makes for a really fun watch. So to your point, it's all I wear. It was kind of like, oh, this was never in danger for Detry. I kind of almost felt the opposite. Like, obviously, he slammed the door on 16, 17, 18. But what was so fun about today was there were enough. It almost felt like a horse race where there was enough chasers and

enough, like honestly, like big names and people who you know have firepower. Somebody's going to go birdie the last potentially. It would happen to be Detry. Exactly. Exactly. And so like when Scotty goes out and birdies for the first six, you're like, okay, I can see how this movie might end. And like this could be like once he gets to the back, the back nine is easy. He's not going to go shoot 41 on the back, you know? And it's like, it's not even like D tree would have needed to blow up.

It's almost like if you can just, you can get stuck in neutral, trying to play really safe and really quote unquote, smart on a, on a, uh, setup like that. And you saw it kind of with D tree on the front nine or in that like middle third, where he kind of starts playing away from some of the pins and all of a sudden he's got these weird really touchy 50-foot lag putts that's like, man, that you're not going to two-putt all of those. Yeah. And so it just makes for a really, really fun one. And then all of a sudden, you know, the broadcast is flying over and, oh, here's another guy that made three birdies in a row or jobs. Just speech just made this one. It's just, it just is a really, really fun setup, fun tournament, fun leaderboard.

And like a ton of great names involved today too. I thought on 13 when DT like left it short there, like three put it on 13. I was like, all right, like this is a gas leak that we're looking at here. And DB is absolutely vibing his face off right now. And this is going to get really, really good. Well, that's what he got checked himself and just ran away with it. It was really impressive. DB is kind of the other example of a little bit of what we're talking about here. It's like, it's almost like going to a casino, right? And like you could start running, you

could start running downhill for six, seven holes at a time, man. You just keep getting the right cards, keep getting the right roles, whatever. But then you saw, you know, what was that 14 where the pins tuck so far in the left and DB is just hunting. It's like, dude, why are you going to that flag? That's not the play. I don't care. Then he just, he happens to hit the flop and chips in, you know, and wins another hand. And then 16 was where it just kind of like, like we said, it got a little out over his skis, but fun mix of characters, man. Daniel Berger, we've mentioned a couple of times, just again, worth mentioning guy was out for like a

year and a half with a back injury and has played some decent golf, a couple of top tens. I think this is maybe third top 10 since coming back at the start of last year. But I think today was the best example for me of just remembering how freaking good this guy is and how dynamic he is, the different shots he hits. He's hitting those weird, those weird punchy drivers that have like 180, he's pushing like 180 ball speed where they get like 50 feet off the air or off the ground. I mean, it's just, it's really fun, man. And watching him flag hunt and make putts, it's just, you kind of heard JT talk a little bit about just what kind of player he is and how he's just the worst guy to possibly bet against.

And I don't know, just a guy that from a, from a time that I probably liked golf as much as I, as much as I have in my entire life, you know, he was kind of one of those, one of those characters at that point. And it's just very fun to have him back. He's the, uh, he's the everybody see the leprechaun say, yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. God, I think he would be so good. Like get him back on the Ryder Cup team.

Like, I think he's a perfect guy for the US to have on that squad. Just, you know, cocky, uh, pretty, you know, like good match play vibes, momentum player, all that. I just want to see him make more money too. And I want to see how big his boats get progressive. He's the Admiral of the entire Armada. That's right. There in Jupe and the straight vibe in Armada. And I think he's got one with like four, four outboard engines on it. Like I want to see him get into the true yacht game or you know, the big, big tuna tower game.

So. Let's make that a 2025 goal TC. We get down there, we do a pod with him on the boat, on an actual boat. We've done one, he's got a sick backyard too. He has episode 797. I just looked it up that we did with him, just truly vibing out on the back porch.

It was, it was, there's a quote, I forget, I don't have it in front of me about how, somebody tweeted out today, I saw where he was kind of like, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that.

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I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I that. Like, I don't know what I'm playing good. I'm just, I'm, I'm better than pretty much everybody out here. So I'm just not really worried. And you kind of saw, I don't know, man, I don't think he's, I don't think he's way off with that one. When he gets it going, it is his best is,

is as good as anybody's like, and like he's won on real golf courses, like Memphis, he's won twice, colonial pebble. Yeah. Uh, he lost in a playoff at Honda travelers, like courses where you have to play with flair and play with creativity and everything. But I don't know, gosh, if only the tour had this thing where they owned a network of courses that they can make changes to and put more slope into some of these greens and make for, you know, more exciting tournament golf, if only, right? Someday TC, maybe they can use some of that SSG investment. Maybe buy a portfolio of golf courses

and tie them all together under some umbrella or something like that, I think could be an interesting idea. Am I alone here that I love watching this golf course, great pro golf course, I also like, I'm totally fine if I never play it. Like it's not a course I crave playing, yet it's one of my favorite courses to watch on the PGA tour, which is a really weird kind of part of the,

of the squared diagram. We'd love to play five holes out there. We'd love to go out and play a little five hole loop, maybe, you know, and then I think there's about 13 that I'm like, oh yeah, like which hole is that again? Like, I don't remember that. But, but when I'm watching, like to your point, yeah when I'm watching these guys play it,

I'm like okay yeah, I see what the challenge is there and why that bunker's there and why that waste area's there and what that finger of the green means for angles and it's just, I don't know, we're raving. What else falls in that bucket? I mean sawgrass isn't totally far off from that. You can get punished pretty good. Sawgrass is still like, all right,

like if you want to test yourself and like, it's memorable, it's more memorable throughout, right? TPC San Antonio, the AT&T Oaks course. The AT&T Oaks course. I don't even like watching that one. Kind of strikes me as that. Even Honda, like there's certain stuff at Honda where I'm like, I'm good.

I don't need to play that. That's a good example. Well, there's plenty. There's plenty that I don't want to play. There's very few that I'm like, do this is one of my favorite ones to watch and don't want to play is as few and far between. We mentioned Daniel Berger. He shared second with Michael Kim and all you podcast

listener and former guest Michael Kim. Great to see. I know he's, it's been kind of a, kind of a weird stretch for him. I mean, very feast or famine, you know, a lot of miscuts over through the fat part of last year, but also I think he's top 20 and like four of his last eight starts, something like that. So it seems to be finding his feet and, and finding some form and, you know, fun, fun to watch that, that recovery. finding his feet and finding some form and, you know, fun, fun to watch that, uh, that recovery. I don't know if we can take full credit for this, but it would be a massive coincidence if all of a sudden, uh,

shortly after we do a Joe Mayo pod that goes pretty bonkers in the, uh, in the golf world, relatively speaking, that he is, uh, was on Joe's Instagram getting a lesson this week and he finished ninth and stroke skating around the green this week. Joe was tweeting out some of the videos of his improved position and address and, uh, improved his steepness and all this stuff. And, uh, uh, so, I mean, that looks like it could be a very fruitful relationship as well. I hear he's a stacker as well. Uh, which again,

I don't know if we can take full credit. We didn't invent the stack, but, uh, we've been pumping it pretty hard and I think we're about to do that here. I was just going to ask if that was a segue for a quick word from our friends at the stack system used by many tour players and used by myself and Sally as well. Got in the garage this week. Sally fired it. Tell me about it. Talk to me. It's just, I look forward to, I look forward to it. You know what I'll say?

I look forward to doing that maybe more than I do going and hitting balls. It's such a gamified way to try to just raise your ceiling, to try to get that cruising speed up there a little higher. And I can feel it when I do go to hit balls. You're not swinging like a gorilla the whole entire time like you do when you're swinging the stack, this weighted speed training system. But man, you just got more face awareness the stack, this weighted speed training system. But man, you just got more face awareness. You've got more just cruising speed. I know I keep saying that, but that's what it is. I think for some real numbers, when I was in the simulator last, I was swinging as hard as I possibly could, trying to just post the

biggest ball speed number I could. I got to like 162, which is, you know, it's nothing crazy, but it's serviceable. That's sick from where you were at. Yeah. And then when I was like, all right, well now let's see what, like where the floor is. So I'm just going to swing at what feels like I'm at, you know, 75, 80%. I was cruising like 155, you know? And it's like, it feels like a different golf swing. It feels so much more in control, but all you're doing is basically raising your

floor. So have I missed anything there? Anything else you want to say about the stack, Sully? I just saw it on Cody on Instagram today called it the best purchase he's ever made, which that's that's it. I think best purchase ever, which I think is a heck of an endorsement. And I'm still out of sync of my routines. I get like legitimately jealous when I get a update. I get when I just see a message come in from DJ. It's just an image. I'm like, Oh, I know exactly what this is going to be. He just hit a new personal best swing speed. So check it

out. The stack system.com slash no laying up code. No laying up for 10% off of the stack. It is incredible for your golf game. We need to get TC doing it. And I'm excited. Once I get past this tournament, I'm getting back into the flow. I saw some grainy footage from the Caribbean islands of what looked like Neil doing the stack. I've got some other friends just, Hey, man, you got to get what was that stack code again? So my stable of golfers now is just inside the app.

Yeah, I got to scroll to see all the names of the people I'm tracking in there. Guys, I would say if anybody bet on us waiting until the second ad break to talk about Jordan Smith, congratulations. You know, you go cash those tickets, but our beautiful boy appears to appears to be back with some form, not as best week at Pebble last week, but he is was back with a T4 at a golf course that he clearly loves and tends to play quite well here. I believe Colt Nost had a note on the broadcast yesterday that I don't think he's finished within 12 shots of a winner in a year since finishing T6 at Phoenix last year.

This and his second start since his wrist surgery, like I said, T4 and looked like he was maybe going to make a run for about six or seven minutes today. I was kind of letting myself believe it, but not quite there yet. So what'd you see from Jordan this week? I was, I was looking for the flaws that we've seen over the last several years of just like the little spurt that he'll make, and then he'll just retreat and go backwards. And I didn't see it. I did not see it. It was a way more consistent Jordan. I still think he could be, he could, I don't think this was like a flash in the pan. I think he's, he It was a way more consistent Jordan. I still think he could be, he could, I don't think this was like a flash in the pan. I think he's, he could play obviously better than he did his driving got a little erratic over the

course of the weekend, but it didn't lead to bogeys. Like he just played in really smart spots and he was so good on those like five foot putts that I have to look away from normally when he's putting because he looks at the hole now as well. 13th in putting this week, second in strokes gained approach. I think the one thing he has gotten a lot better at over the course of the last few years when he hasn't played his best golf is his driving and it wasn't his best driving week. So the fact that he could putt it that well, hit it that good with the irons and have this good of a week without driving it great, honestly has me back to believing. I wish I hadn't wavered, but I have

wavered. I have to be honest. I have to repent for this. I did not deny him three times, but I just, the numbers kind of don't lie. And the last seven years, eight years really does not lie. And I've been skeptical, but now I'm starting to believe I'm starting to get whiffs. He hasn't been hurt for seven years. It's part of the deal. Yeah. Like I know the wrist is the most recent issue. Well said. I just have to shout out the stretch in round two where he eagled both 13 and 15, and then birdied 17. Just, that's it, man. That's the full experience.

TC, you buying what you're seeing here? Is this real? I've been buying, homie. Yeah. Dollar cost averaging every month. Yeah, I was gonna say, I've been stacking. It's like my fart coin. Okay.

So listen, you're preaching to the choir here. I've been stacking. It's like, it's like my fart coin. So listen, you're preaching the choir here. He putted, or he, uh, I thought he was going to putt left-handed or did he putt left-handed? He did putt left-handed out of that, out of that bush. And then he got up and down from there. It was insane. It was fantastic. It wasn't the speech cocaine ride though. It wasn't the cocaine ride, which felt a little foreign. You know, that was the one moment. There were a couple of bumps in there, but nothing, you know, nothing egregious. Yeah. Michael's got that look in his eye. We're back, baby.

Was funny. Burger on 14 when he flopped it out of the bunker and then, you know, it was short and then chipped in, made par. We're, you know, of course I have a small TV outside, so it was kind of hard to see. And my father-in-law was like, that would look like a very Jordan Spieth par. It's like, actually that was Daniel Berger, but that was a very Jordan Spieth par. Yeah. Listen, would I, would I love to be going to Riviera next week instead of Torrey pines? Yes. What are you going to do? Speaking of his own though. Yeah, that's true. And that's what I was going to ask about a lot of, a lot of waves out there on, on, on social media, I think largely led

by our guy, Joseph LaManya at the fried egg wrote a lot about sponsor exemptions and should speed be getting into these events? I just want to, I just want to ask you guys, if you had any, any reaction on this, you know, should it be a true meritocracy out there? I just, I think it's, I think it's a worthwhile conversation. Uh, I think Speeth's record warrants it. And I think the, you know, him being hurt, having surgery last year, it's almost like a major medical. If it was somebody else, like, I like Ricky, for instance, I don't think Ricky should be in, but I think Speeth's speech warrants it. Yeah.

So I've, I have no issue with it. Although I would be fine if they got rid of sponsor exemptions completely for the signature events. I'm fine with that too. I know that's kind of, that's, I'm kind of stuck in the middle too, where I'm like, I obviously read Joseph's stuff all the time. And so when I was reading this, I'm so Alonzo morning GIF of like, this is the most idealistic, unbelievable thing I've ever read. Like, of course, Jordan Spieth needs to be in all these events. What the hell are we talking about? The more I think about it, the more I'm like, Oh, I mean, yeah, I don't know. You don't just get like a, I mean, is it a meritocracy or is it not? Like I could

kind of, I see where he's coming from for sure. It's a truly fucking electric conversation. Until they get rid of the... I got deep on the field list actually this week. I want to shout out Chance Cosby and the Thunderbirds for using their sponsor exemptions much better than they have in previous years. We didn't see JB Holmes in the mix or Ricky Barnes or somebody like that. They did good things there. But until we get rid of this entitlement reform out there, we need entitlement reform with Zach Johnson is on his top 25 money list

exemption right now. Charlie Hoffman is on that as well. I think there's three guys out there right now on that. And it's not a merit. As long as we have shit like that. So as long as we have shit like that, let's also have sponsor exemptions that add dynamic players to fields. I'm so with you on like the Ricky versus Jordan thing. Like, is it a very clear, like, does Jordan Spieth make this tournament better and more interesting? Like, especially for the fact that these things are not in a vacuum. Like there is a sponsor that puts up money for this thing. And if the sponsor wants to put Jordan Spieth in their field, that just is a reality of professional golf.

The same way grandstands are a reality of professional golf. The same way, you know, there's a certain play box that we all got to play in, like of things you got to concede, right? It's like, it can still be a meritocracy with like some things around the edges that are like, ah, okay, yeah, that's kind of part of the deal of this whole big corporate thing. And that's what it is. It's a massive corporate tour of getting these guys money for them to go put on a show from place to place. So does it diminish the

competition in any way to have Jordan get in on a bypass? I personally do not believe that at all. But do I think like some of these exemptions don't get used in the right way and like, yeah, do I, am I, am I good on seeing Ricky right now? Yeah, I definitely am. But when it comes to somebody like Jordan, I think the best use of sponsor exemption is to capture something, a player, a player that's trending, a player that is missing from the field for some decent reason that the qualifying criteria didn't capture. Right.

And for Jordan's speed, I would say like, yeah, he played all last season hurt and finally got the surgery and he has obviously a popular player that has incredible talent of like, that works for me of like, yeah, like he is Jordan Spieth, one of the best 50 golfers in the world when he's healthy without any doubt. Like, did that get captured last year because he was hurt? No. So getting a sponsor exemption under that work makes a lot of sense. Like is Ricky one of the 50 best players in the world?

He's not hurt as far as I can tell. Like I would certainly argue against that. Right. And I know I'm not necessarily how all the exemptions get used, but for Spieth in particular, like absolutely, I would have had no problem with them getting exemptions. If Jordan plays like shit all year this year, healthy, then then, yeah, I'd be like, don't give an exemption next year. Right. But I think also, first of all, you couldn't see Ricky this week. He was

you stored that away for like 90 seconds. No, I didn't know. Yeah. 90 seconds, not like 90 minutes, because we're gonna get to that later on. Also, the guy giving out the sponsor exemptions this week is Tiger. Yeah. Right. Well, this coming week. Yeah.

At the Genesis. So, well, maybe he shouldn't be in the field either. TC, you know, is he qualified? I don't know. Just kidding. It's also like, it doesn't, it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater to say it's not a meritocracy just because there's a few exemptions at the end of the field. Like you still got to like go play the golf and go beat the people. Do I think like it's too much of a

free crack giveaway on points and money and all that? Yeah, points more so than money. Like the money is kind of what the thing is designed for. Do I think they should be giving out as many points? I can get down with the whole like, yeah, you don't get points for if you're sponsored exemption, you get money, but you don't get points for it. I get totally down with that. That makes a ton of sense in terms of just playing favorites for who gets to keep status and all of that. But as far as playing the tournament, yeah,

get the guys in there. They're going to make the tournament more interesting. It's an entertainment product. Maybe that's where that's where, it's all, everything you just said is extremely logical. And I agree with all of it, but I also want to commend Joseph for, for takes like this, because I think they think they push the conversation forward. They're provocative. They get the people going. It gets the brain working at least. That's what I'm for. One final thing I will say on that, and this is not what Joseph is saying, is I hear this like, because the PGA Tour has sponsor exemptions, it gets the same as Liv. Like, why doesn't

Liv get OWGR points? It's like, that is that we're talking about two very, very, very different qualification systems here and versus like 40% of it is just free crack giveaway on live maybe 60% and like maybe 2% on the PGA Tour is is a free crack giveaway, which again, it's easier if it goes away. I understand that but like let's not lose focus here on how much qualification there actually is on the PGA Tour level So we did this couple of weeks ago

I greatly enjoyed it and and called called for you to dial up another one But you did kind of just five stats. We should be keeping an eye on you know you were I believe you were talking about Tom Tom Kim's ball speed last time we're talking about a couple other couple other things to just be tracking I was curious if you you drummed up anything good for us this week. Got a few. So the 11th was the hardest hole on Sunday and for the week, that's not really a surprise, very difficult par four, water, all that stuff.

What do you think the second hardest hole was on this Sunday? 16? It might've been 16. It was 16. Yeah, it was like 60 yards longer than it did yesterday. Only the ninth hardest for the week, but second hardest on Sunday and played over par. As I mentioned earlier, 57% of the field hit the green, 82% hit it in rounds two and

three, which I know the pin change, but it's just interesting to see how much approach has changed on that. The green. Yeah, I think that's a really cool balance between Saturday and Sunday. And I bet it was just as exciting today seeing guys try to get it up and down because that going along there was absolutely boned. Peter Mount Noddy, he gained almost 11 shots around the green this week. Eleven. The second best was Min Woo Lee at six point seven and third best was Hideki at four point seven. So he had more than double strokes gained around the green

as the person with the fourth most strokes gained around the green. However, he was dead last in approach and lost 9.2 shots to the field in approach. Truly a wild week for Mr. Malnati. In woo. Dej brought it up earlier. He's gotta be struggling with the price of eggs right now.

I know, it's just got all kinds of, you know, soufflés he's doing and just all, I mean, so much stuff cooking right now. Will Chandler, the Monday qualifier, was the fourth worst in driving for the week, was first in putting, lost strokes with ball striking and finished in a tie for sixth in a PGA Tour event after Monday qualifying.

That's a ridiculous accomplishment. Solly, you know where Will Chandler graduated high school? I do not. Marist school. The Marist school. It's gone to Georgia. Congratulations, that's a big one. He really didn't even,

I believe he's a Delman Country Club guy. He didn't even really like start at Georgia. He's been kind of a late bloomer. It's been cool to see. So yeah, really, really impressive week from him and impressive Sunday, especially. Following up on one from last week, Nick Dunlap was last in the field in driving this week, the distance is still down and still only hit 50% of the fairways lost five shots off the

tee this week. So not sure what's going on there. But it's tough to play PGA Tour golf there. But played PJ to her golf there. Sorry. We are monitoring that one. Okay. Especially when it's your calling card. Yeah. Last one. He did not win yet again this week. That is two straight tournaments. Scotty Scheffler did not win. That's a hell of a stat. Can you tell me the last time? Oh, God, that was on the big tour. I think he was on the 26 man roster for that one. Uh, gosh, the last time, I mean, last year, didn't he win?

Like, was it five out of eight? I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like, I think it was like,

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That's exactly right. Bay Hill. He won Bay Hill. Then he won the players. Then he finished second at the Houston Open to Steven Yeager. Then won the Masters in the RBC Heritage. He won four out of five at that point. But prior to that he was T6, T3, T10. That was the last time he went three tournaments in a row in this exact stretch, actually Pebble. That was Pebble, Phoenix and Genesis. And then went win, win Phoenix and Genesis. And then went win, win second, win, win

eighth, second, win, 41st, win seventh, win fourth tie for two 33rd. So that was the last time he lost two in a row was the FedEx St. Jude championship and the VW championship. Then won the tour championship, won the hero world challenge. And then these last two starts. So monitoring that to see if he can keep the streak alive next week. Do you want to talk about the back 941? Is that a thing? Is that a lot of anger? A lot of anger. Smashing his golf bag on what was that Friday?

Backstop on 18 today. Well, even when he hold the bunker shot on 10 on Thursday, you know, from the fairway, he just was like, it looks like he was too over at that point, but he just looked irritated and pissed off already to that point. So I don't I don't know, he just was a little little more peeved a little more impatient than I would expect for somebody coming off a

surgery that and missing the early part of the year, like, gotta gotta give yourself a little bit of grace to get up and moving on on a lot of stuff. But no, not a typical Scotty week struggled around the greens a fair amount and just not anywhere close to the ball strike. And we're used to seeing when he birdied six, I legitimately thought he was going to win. He was like, he was the second favorite. Yeah. DG is going to throw up and Scotty's just going to shoot 62 and steal this thing.

He was T 13 going into the weekend and he was the favorite to win the tournament. It's so absurd. That's sick. Oh God. So that's good stuff, man. Thank you for that. I, you know, that reframes the week. It helps, helps me, you know, keep my own notebook organized. And I've got one other stat that stuck out to me from this week. You know who was fourth in putting this week?

JT. 7.385 strokes on the field. Cameron young. Whoa. Not so sure. Right. Not a name that was at the top of my, my list. His approach game was off.

He was 65th and approach, but yeah, that was, that was surprising to see T 12 for the week for young cam TC. Why don't you, why don't you empty your own notebook? What else, what else we got? Why don't we go down the leaderboard a little bit? I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing.

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I was a lot out to the right. I was told earlier that you will remember this. I don't know in what context, but you'll be jotting this. I don't know if you're just remembering his final 71. I mean, at one point we had a complete brigade of Europeans at the top of the board between Big Shot Bob and Rasmus, Detry. A lot of Europeans in the mentions, you know, getting, getting amped about Beth

Page, you know, about a few wins in a row here with SEP and Rory and Thomas Detry. Listen, the Europeans very well may win as somebody who's been very, very guilty of getting very excited about a team in January and February. Just let's cool the jets a little. Hey, I'm not worried about it. We got great leadership with Dodo and Luke and all of our, you know, Bjorn, all of our ass caps. We're in great hands. I'm not worried at all about getting out over our skis. Sep, solo 15th, continues to play great golf. 66 today, 68, 66 on the weekend. Can I go back to Rasmus?

Just some seriously ugly scorecards. Just really, really a ton of polygons. Ton of polygons all over the place, DC. Just doubles, eagles, birdies. The floor is low and the ceiling is high and you're gonna get a lot of that in the same round. I like Rasmus. I just want to be on record with this.

Love his aesthetic. Love his golf swing. I thank you. So I know I have been a little fantasy league. I do away from you guys. I'm a Rasmus Hoygard stockholder. So can I get you on the record TC just because this was this allegation was lobbed internally today. I believe I've been that Rasmus might be a ball speed imposter.

He's not he's not a ball speed imposter at all. He's a ball striker. He's a proper player. He's not a poofer. And he's a stud. We have not seen his best golf yet, nor have we seen Nikolai's best golf yet. But I think Rasmus wins this year, no doubt in my mind. And he's going to be a perfect fit for Beth Page. On the PGA tour or on that other tour? PGA tour.

Okay. TZ, I'm going to ride with you on everything you just said there. He's not a ball speed imposter. He will probably win this year. And I think he's a great fit for Beth Page. He's one of many reasons why I'm worried. We got just another top 20 from JT Poston, pound for pound best player in the world. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. But I'm sure I'm going to be able to do that. But I that might've been Amanda to live question mark. Where's that letter of a jacket,

the Rick Shields letter of a jacket. Yeah, JT, listen, obviously the golf is, continues to trend in the right direction. But also like if you're gonna put out a letter about doing broadcast stuff, I mean, you know, good to see him walking the walk and spending some time in the booth. Thought he had some good insights in there.

Jordan, JT at the top of the leaderboards, started to feel a little bit a little bit like old times and DB That's right Nikolai Hoygard t36 just wanted to shout that out a lot of Canadians made the cut this week I don't know what to make of that. That's Scottsdale man the Canadians fucking love Scottsdale Tom Kim 72 73 on the That's Scottsdale, man. The Canadians fucking love Scottsdale. Tom Kim, 72, 73 on the. So I got to try to cancel him.

Well, how's how's his balls feed, though? I got a picture of him on 18 finishing up and the group behind him had their their hands on their hips, waiting, looked like a biker gang behind them, just trying, you know, frustrated about the pace of play out there. So, that's really it as far as, like, I don't know. I'm starting to worry about Sahith a little bit. Yeah. Need to start seeing something from him.

Hey, everybody seems to be coming around. I will say he was my, in our winner's draft, he was my pick this week. So I will not be getting any points for that. And then as far as my down the, you know, down the kind of the news and notes stuff, Rick's outfit, we talked about that earlier, the camo. I thought it was fire.

I thought it was worse. I enjoyed it. I'm so in it. What I really enjoyed, it brought, it brought our guy Boo Weekly out of the woodwork as he just took to social media to basically lob that he wanted to wear camo pants one time and the tour would let him because he said it wasn't a real color. So just, I don't know why I just was so tickled by that, but Boo Weekly was, you know, that was a big watershed moment.

It seemed like very, very good for representation for folks like Boo to see Ricky just out there doing his thing, you know, and being celebrated for it. It's just like all the Jason Day stuff. There's, there's, there's other guys that have been denied the ability to wear certain things on tour. And meanwhile, the tour seems to take a blind eye to Jason Day's stuff. I like Jason Day's stuff, but they're taking a blind eye. It's inconsistent.

Do we know if he's been fined or not? There has to have been. What if he just gets fined every week? Yeah. Who knows? Maybe. What else do they got? I just feel like the tour's got some other shit to deal with right now.

I've been fining Ricky for wearing camouflage. Alex, I keep hearing about Alex Smalley's mom. And I just, I gotta get somebody to come on the pod and talk about this. She sounds like the biggest helicopter parent in the history of sports. I was trying to do some research. All I could find was one article

where she seemed to kind of be taking the lead on the interview and calling herself the momager. The momager. Which is both clever and also just kind of a maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Yeah. I guess they're just inseparable in dining. They always eat outside together.

She gets the courtesy car. They stay. It's just a lot. And guys are like kind of feeling bad for him. So I'm just, we might have to do like kind of a Britney Spears emancipation kind of conservatorship here at some, or yeah, or reverse conservatorship, whatever. So, uh, he played pretty well this week. It's got really nice. Also, I had T21 this week. Yeah.

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Maybe. I think he is very much available. I don't think shooters had a lot going on for a while now. Shooter is available for your party or event. Give him a shout. He may have an ankle bracelet on, but he is available. Reach out to him. He's available.

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So what else? Bud Collie continues to kind of poke his head out. He's starting to, starting to, to show some form. He was, he was hurt for a long time and came back last year and seems to be really getting back into form now. And then, uh, what was your guys's whole, whole inside joke? I was, I feel like one of the only ones I just had to catch up on it. This is pre and L.U. days, but I like just started learning about golf gambling, like just barely started to learn and learn that Bud Collie was two 50 to one to win the Masters back in like 20 to 2012. And I was like, you get $250 for one, like for one dollar. No way. And I was like, guys, we should bet on bet. Bud Collie to win the Masters. Holy shit.

250 to one. It took us like a week to figure out like, dude, he's not in the field. He's not even in the fucking field. So, uh, but Cody, Cody Scott stalling situation. But yeah, my whole thing just kept was kept reaching like, dude, don't count that guy. You never know. It was the whole pack nine of that 2012 Masters. I think it was it sounds about like my, my golf gambling right now. I need to re rework my models. I'm fucking lost. I know you had a mouse come in and choose a wiring on your bottles or something. It's just the machines been, been uncalibrated for a while. The eye test, like the eye test just isn't working anymore. It's crazy.

I think if we converge the data and the eye test TC, I think we could, we could make some special. That would be, I would listen to that. You guys. I was on like Frankie sap in this week. He finished like fourth to last. Uh, Brendan Todd was DFL again. I want to congratulate the, the uh, beluga for that. Tom Hoagy finished third to last, which it's not exactly. First is not, first isn't big enough. That's right.

Sorry. I was, I was on the data golf. Uh, I've dated golf homework for you. Yeah. I was on the data golf thing just cause I wanted to see how far back you had a note in here that DB got up to fourth in the world and data golf ranking, uh, at one point, yeah, I put that, I put that in there just kind of wanted to people forget how, how freaking good that guy was.

Yeah. I put that in there. Just kind of wanted to people forget how, how freaking good that guy was. Yeah. And so I wanted to go back and ask you, have there been more world number, OWGR world number ones or data golf world number ones, data golf rankings go all the way back to January 1995. And I will give you guys, who do you think was the top 10 in the data golf ranking in January, 1995?

Oh, I should be, I should ace this with all the nineties pods. Me and, uh, uh, me and KVV have been doing to 95. You want to go one and one here? Sure. Let's do it. I will throw out Nick Price. Nick Price has got to be number one. Price was number two.

Okay. Uh, Fowdo's got to be up there. Fowdo was number eight. Okay. Ernie has got to be Ernie. Fowdo was number eight. Okay. Ernie, it's gotta be Ernie Els, then. Ernie was not in yet. He was 13th. Whoa, whoa.

Norman. Norman was one. Yep. Tom Kite. Tom Kite was, nope, 21. For kite. Couples. Couples, correct, seventh.

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Goosen's not, not there yet. He hadn't done his thing yet. All right. I'm not good at this. How about that? What, what, what else are we missing? Probably, no, Corey Pavin. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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Colin Montgomery, Fuzzy Zeller, Fred Couples, Nick Faldo, Tom Watson. And if I gave you guys 200 guesses, you wouldn't have gotten number 10. Bill Glasson. Oh, wow. Data go as Bill Glasson. OK, wow. Data girlfriend. Bill Glasson. Okay. Yeah, that's good stuff. Speaking of rankings, we probably should have should have thrown this in there, but the the Aon Swing 5 people who got into Genesis, I believe, are Sam Stevens, Daniel Berger, Michael Kim, JJ has respawned, and Andrew

Novak, our guy Justin Lauer, first man out. That's top speed. Didn't get in through that. No, he was like what number 567891011121314 that might not be updated then. Is that updated? Michael Kim's in there. So I think it is.

They showed it up on screen during the tournament. I guess when he was T2 that he was projected to get up in there, maybe that's why I finished T4, but that's a harsh fall off there. That makes sense because he doesn't have any other points. He's only had two starts. It would only be this points from this week. So apologies. I said that earlier. I regret the error. TC, anything else or should we move on to the back nine? Start getting our work in our way towards this football game. We can move on to the back nine. I would love to make the turn with you Dej. Guys, we've got a massive opening hole here for the back nine.

Of course, the, the 2025 season debut of live golf, uh, Adrian Moranque and Legion 13, Legion 13 both go wire to wire under the lights. Let me start with an honest question. Do you guys first of all, did you watch any of this? I did. Riyadh. And second, what did you think of the night golf? It was kind of nice to wake up to. Like I watched it in the mornings a little bit.

I thought the night golf was favorable for the Saudis just because it made the greens look less awful than they were. It was interesting. I'll give you that. It was interesting. I thought the night golf was sick. I think it is good for that. What TC said, it was live as far as I

believe it was live here in the US, which if it's to get it into a better TV window, I think it is worthwhile. Does it add a ton to me watching golf? It doesn't. But like, again, if it's, if it's, you know, it doesn't get into prime time, obviously, with it being in the middle East, but it's better than it being on it at two o'clock in the morning or whatever it would have been if they were not live. So for that, I would say,

I think if you're not on a good golf course that helps to cover up some warts. Yeah. Yeah. Or lack of fans. Unfortunately, the... There was like six people out there. It was so bleak. I'm like watching Jon Rahm, you can just hear like talking heads super faintly in the background. There's like four

people out there watching Jon Rahm play competitive golf. It's just really bleak, man. And was that the worst green, were those worse greens than Quail Hollow the year that Derek Ernst won? That was the worst greens I think I've ever seen

in a professional tournament. Of course there were people online that were claiming that everything was fine there. It was, it was broccoli. It was doing the, the, the bounce back and forth like it was at Chambers. Chambers Bay might've been the worst actually. Billy Ho.

What do you, do you think Hyde Park here in Jacksonville? I think it would be close. They were fast, but they were legitimate bags of sand with balls coming into the greens. And the course was a total disgrace for the, for the very jump. I, dude, I don't think you can have a super mega golf tour with only 14 events. You are afforded no duds like this one. That's how you kicked off your season was at Riyadh Golf Club on that golf course with no fans out there. Like 12,000 people watched the opening round on FS2.

Pack it up guys. I know Adelaide is going to be a banger this week and it always is and it's massive for the people of Australia. Water. If that's what you got, pack it up, man. Like could you picture a world where the PGA tour would have started on a golf course like this had the backstreet boys out there singing about the tour being back and put up that stinker and people like not treating this like for what it is.

Like it's just we've tried tried this is year four of this. It's fucking unbelievable, man. I was a big fan of the Backstreet Boys video. Obviously it was very, very fun to watch, but the, which I couldn't tell. I couldn't like find the, the origin of it. Like I just kind of saw it floating around on, on the everything app. And I was like, honestly, I was like, is this like AI? Is this, is this real? And I, you know,, I was like, is this like AI? Is this real?

And, you know, it obviously was, but our guy, Nick Carter out there wearing the Sunday red, I thought was also just like a sick touch. So you knew it was live. You knew it was recent. That's true. There's not a replay from last year. No, exactly. So you mentioned this briefly, but there was reports out there that I almost was like hesitant to go with because the numbers are so shocking. Round one Nielsen ratings on FS2 were an average of 12,000 viewers watching round one. I'm sure there was at least another 12,000 watching on the app. I don't know. Look, I know this is not apples to apples, but just to give a comparison of what we're

talking about, feels like also worth mentioning that the final round at Pebble averaged 3.3 million viewers, which is significantly higher than 12,000. It's just it's very, very strange times in the world of golf. And like you said, it's just kind of a just, I mean, more than ever, it just feels like a humongous waste of all of these guys, time and talent and the primes of their career. It's just a huge bummer.

And you know what makes me the most upset about it is that like literally no one is actually treating this like a actual sports league. If they were, we would be talking about how horrible of a GM Phil Mickelson is. Like how much fun would that be to like fill up the airwaves talking about the horrendous management of the high flyers then being in the cellar back again. Phil this arc, this genius guy can't manage a golf team of four people.

But of course nobody actually talks like that. Not even the fans of the league talk about this. Like it's a real sport. Like it's a real league. There was a moment where I was like looking at these teams and so there was some other news that changed this year But all four scores will now count so there's no more dropping scores Which is where I was like well is our hitters at Legion 13 like are they gonna lose a tournament all year?

I was like who fucking cares actually before I go down too far down that road, but I said You had a clique on the metal stand. Yeah. We haven't gotten there yet. Take it away. Take it away. Wrong. Went minus 17 held on. It looked like he was kind of going to choke it away. Your guy, Dean Bermester and Rom, it's a fashion. My guy, David Hooshe, all these guys breathing on his neck and he pulled it off. I think the cliques are in trouble though with this all four scores count thing. They finished six. They finished in the top half of the table this week, but Kymer is just not getting

it done. Blandy kind of a slow start for him. Couple of guys added to the mix that I've never heard of before, which is pretty rare. I've heard of most like most professional golfers and like the top, I don't know, 350 or so, but I was not not familiar with uh with this guy, Chi Po Li. Uh, didn't he win the wild cards? I think he won the qualifying event, didn't he? Yeah. Which is sick. Like, again, so to your point of like, this isn't like a like, you just didn't go on a team.

They're like, oh, fuck. Technically, like you got in. But I don't know. I just think it's just be a little bit. You're going to take you're going to take a HUD swaffered spot. Yeah. It's kind of a like, yeah, you can come to the birthday party just like nobody that we really want you there.

But yeah, come on in. We birthday party just like nobody really wants you there. But yeah, come on in. We got an extra spot here for you. Which, yeah. And then the guy that the, that the fireballs added this Luis Massa vowel. I'm not familiar with his game. Don't know. Don't know a lot about him. T33 this week. Yeah. Which him and him and the ketchup man on the cleeks tied. So anyway, that's- What would the reasoning be for going to four scores because it makes it mathematically less likely

that you're gonna have close competitions on the team side, right? Maybe they're reeling since they didn't get, you know, like they had, I feel like with the Aces, they had a dynasty. They're already declaring Lesion 13 a dynasty, or like it has the makings of a dynasty. So maybe they don't want parody.

They want dominance. They want something. And McKibben had a good debut this week. So, all sorts there. No more shorts this year, guys. You know, I was gonna ask you about that one as well, TC. I don't, again- Is it up in the wrong direction? Well, I don't know. There was like no explanation or anything, which is kind of, it's kind of how a lot of this stuff works is it just seems like somebody makes a decision and kind of just slowly rolls out. Including the TORs tweet this week too.

Right, yeah, we're gonna get to that. How does a team with Dustin Johnson, Thomas Peters, Patrick Reed, and Harold Varner finish 11th in this league? Like the four, like what happened to the four aces? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We're going to get to that. How does a team with Dustin Johnson, Thomas Peters, Patrick Reed, and Harold Varner finish 11th in this league? What happened to the four aces? I don't know. It's a great question, Salih. I truly don't know. I think they might only have one or two aces. I mean, Reed is playing awful right now.

DJ plus one plus two on the weekend. Not good. Anyway, we are on to Adelaide. Ad I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow.

I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I'm going to go to the midst of winter. I'm actually going to Chicago tomorrow and I'm stoked because I get to wear more of these These Sullivan's and Ward's and all all the all the nice Quilted sweaters and stuff. He sees almost like you know when all those people used to go to pinehurst where they had like the wasting diseases You know, they're like they just need to yeah, they got consumption. They need to get to the warm weather

Tz's doing the opposite. He's a guy. I got too many. I got too many allergies, man I need to get to the warm weather. TC's doing the opposite. He's like, God, I got too many allergies, man. I need to get to the cold weather. Please. I got to get out of here. Dude, I had a cold this week and then it turned into, it's been like 80 here a week and the allergies have been just absolutely brutal. But you know what that means though? That means spring is upon us. And H&B, I've been wearing their performance polos. I actually got a little, little preview of them, of their spring collection. We took it down to Argentina with us and was wearing some of that stuff. They've got a new Citroen color that is, that is absolutely Fuego.

Kind of like a, like an old school, you know, the king kind of vibe to it. Yeah. I think I saw one. Did you bring one of those to Pebble? It did. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

And then they've got a new like Pima cotton pocket polo. That's super old school and like really, really vintage looking. I'm digging that too. Of course, the Bell, the Westland, like all your favorite pullovers are still in the mix and the pattern polos are just in fuego. So nlu10 at hbgolf.com for 10% off. That's the only, that still remains the only, this and the trap draw are the only Holderness and Born discount codes out there.

How about that? And yeah, to stock up for like five years, specifically to speak to like the quality of the material as well. Like it lasts you a long freaking time. So shout out to H&B. Yeah, they got again spring spring drop in this week. And I would try out their their aeration fabric as well. You've got the turnbull Springer the Bradley a few other designs in the aeration fabric and it's that's kind of like quickly become my travel go-to It's just so like breathable and light. It's it's delightful

So can't wait for it to get even hotter here so I can wear all this stuff. There you go I know you 10 holders and more and tell them tell them ball no or TC quick breaking news across the wire before we get to the next hole Confirmed from Michael Kim that our pod with Joe Mayo convinced him to take a lesson and he helped him a bunch just Just spoke with him via text. How about that? Unbelievable gosh go listen at Joe Mayo pod if you haven't listened to it yet. It's outstanding. Let's see. Michael Kim just made $818,000 this week. So there you go. Imagine how much you could make if you listen to it. Just go listen to the podcast. H&B spring collection drops Friday as

well. Sorry, I just want to get that out there. It's Friday. Well, speaking of this week, TC, hole number 11, the cat is returning to Torrey Pines, a place where he's had notable success. I would say it's his first time teeing it up in a non simulator golf league since the open in July where he missed the cut. Not his best performance there. But what do we think? Expectations?

Is it just kind of happy to see the cat out there? He's looked pretty healthy. Looks like the body's moving pretty decently through the golf ball, at least on memories. It's weird to like look at it now and be like, Ooh, that looks like a bad fit for, for Tiger, like the modern Tiger version that we'll see. I, you know, I, I continue to sell, you know, in terms of just, he's going to have a constant battle for the rest of his career of, you know, rest versus rust. And I don't think he can possibly get enough tournament reps to, to be competitive in these events without needing a ton of rest in between on top of the back injury and stuff going on. I would I would I would curb your enthusiasm for any results specific results for the cat I

think getting through four rounds. I'm not being facetious would be a great accomplishment for him honestly of if he can get through all that rough. Not an easy walk. No, it's it's like legitimately not. So it's the app. If I think that'd be a successful week if he finished all four rounds and didn't finish at the very bottom on good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing.

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I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing health, if you can get all through all four, that's going to be, that's, you know, that can give some help down the, you know, some hope down the road for the season. They should let them play the North. It is interesting. Yeah. Like I know he doesn't want to take a cart. All right.

You're not taking a cart, but you get to play the North and just no one else is out. Just truly take your time, man. Take your time. Nobody behind you. Nobody behind you. Nobody behind you. Nobody behind you get to play the North and just no one else is out. Just truly take your time, man. Take your time. Nobody behind you. We're that all the fans could go, you know, have that whole golf course themselves.

That's a great idea. I love that. I want to see. I want to see the PGA Tour set up team. The rules guys. I want to see him cook a little bit this week. Is there anything different? I mean, we can talk about this a little bit on our happy hour on Wednesday, but I don't know, I don't

have a good sense. I mean not to put you guys on the spot, but any ideas of what that means? What what can they change other than kind of trying to make it a little firmer? But then again, Tori's got all that kind of thick rough right around the greens too. It was crazy firm. It's supposed to rain like crazy in California this week. Like atmospheric river kind of thing going on. So I don't know if that'll extend down to San Diego, but I would think they're going to bump some tee boxes up just to at least spread out divot patterns and such as well. But I don't know. We'll see. It's tough to get up for this one. I feel like divot patterns are going to be pretty similar just with how much public play they get

out there anyways. Right. I feel like Divet patterns are gonna be pretty similar just with how much public play they get out there anyways, right? I mean, I don't know. It probably got certain spots roped off. Yeah. For the public or whatnot. It's not it's just not a golf one of the many flaws of of of Torres. It doesn't give you a lot of flexibility on what you can do. There's not like any width to really change any angles to anything. And I don't know, can you make like 17 drivable or something like that? Yeah. I know it's, I understand the

circumstances and why they ended up at Torrey Pines, but it's, it's a bummer. Um, I'd rather see them go back and get TPC Scottsdale, but yeah. And yeah, Big week for, for tiger really as it is. And then kind of playing with it with a heavy heart or not, not kind of playing with that. You're not playing with a heavy heart. His mom called Tita passed away this past week and kind of seemed like his rock, um, through thick and thin. And I don't know, just a bummer. She seemed like a good, you know, genuine lady. Yeah. It's kind of a blind, like not even kind of.

Definite blind spot for me. I feel like, you know, Earl got so much run and was just obviously so willing to talk to reporters and kind of get his whole story out there that I think he was first and foremost whenever the Tiger Woods parents situation ever came up. And so I feel like she's just kind of a someone people don't really know a lot about, or at least myself in that camp. So looking forward

to hopefully reading some tributes. I'm sure he'll have a lot to say about her in his media availability this week. So hopefully we learned a bit more about her and hopefully it's more of a sharing some good stories about her and you know, maybe he can, can kind of play through the heavy heart, like you said, but yeah, kind of wild to see her. I mean, she's been at the TGL matches and you know, I'm not like, you got a ton of look at her, but you know, it seemed like she, she was healthy and kind of, yeah, that seemed like a total curve ball. So wishing him all the best. But, uh, whole number 12 here, I'll just say the PJ Tour announces something

with Donald Trump. There was a press release announcing an update on the future of men's professional golf. Not really many updates given beyond that other than Jay Monahan and Adam Scott met with Donald Trump on February 4th to discuss just the situation in men's professional golf. That was kind of the extent of the release. So I guess I'll throw it to you guys. Like TC, is this, what does this mean? I assume it means that the deal that's been on the DOJ's, you know, kind of desk for the last, I think they've had a couple different iterations of a deal. This means they'll probably wave that deal through from a regulatory perspective and allow them to proceed with it. Assuming that, I think one of the issues was that Yasser

was going to be on the board of both companies still. And that's flagrantly unacceptable as far as antitrust and competitiveness stuff goes and a couple of other things like that. But largely speaking, it feels like this is, you know, we're probably going to see an investment from the Saudis to balance out SS or strategic sports group. And I don't know what the timeline is, but we'll see everything eventually if not get folded together we'll see some sort of symbiosis you know what maybe Rick Shields will be out there making making stuff and playing the creator classic who knows breaking 75 at the 3m open yeah I kind of like a you almost could kind of feel the tour being like that meme of the kid who's

like holding his breath or trying not to say something right. Where it's, I just don't like this was such a nothing release that there just had to be so much more like going on behind the scenes that they just couldn't quite possibly say. At least that's just my read without any real knowledge of it. It just, I don't know why you would put out such a nothing release unless they were clearly like, felt like they were very close to something. It honestly was like DT almost like read as if it was DT was like, Hey,

could you just tweet tweet a little something nice about me? I can probably move this up a month if you do that is what it read like. I don't literally think that that happened. I was going to say just about stuff that, you know, people all over the world have been through and countries have been through. It was just, it was so overstated. Right. I mean, it sounds like everything's coming back together, but weirdly, like I just struggle to find myself getting excited for that,

at least with the current leadership in place. Do you trust that though? Do you like think it's actually coming back together? Like live golf is literally like making videos that are saying like long live like closing with like long live golf as in like this thing is not going anywhere. We just have a new CEO. We have this schedule. We have years left on all these guys contracts. We got, you know, blah, blah, blah, like it. They're not talking like the PIF.

It just seems like two different things here. And like, I, I, I should be excited about this merger, but I just don't like hear much of anything behind the scenes. That's like, yep, everyone's going to be playing together again, very soon. I, I, I'm just nervous that this deal is going to be a big financial, like win from a PR perspective and all that we were unified and they're investing in us, but like, live still is continuing in some form or fashion that keeps the game separated. Yeah. Again, I like, I've heard substantively from a few different people that, yeah,

it seems to be coming back together. Like you said, I don't know what that means at this point. Does that just mean the five guys that we want to start playing PGA tour events, start playing PGA tour events again, which would be what? Rom, for me, it would be Cam Smith, Bryson, Brooks, and DJ Hatton. I mean, Hatton's got to be in there too. Neiman. Well, Blandy is going to be blackballed because he didn't have status to begin with. They should retroactively like give him, at least he can play championship.

Lifetime membership. Yeah. No, but seriously, it's like, and they've purposely scheduled a lot of their events this year against signature events. So there's not a lot of opportunity for these guys to play. So I don't know. Like it's like, when it would feel real, it would be like, oh man, these guys are turning them at the players to play in the players which when you say that I'm like holy shit

I get really excited for that. Yeah, and outside of there's a live event opposite the players Right and that's where I'm like, well, how the hell is that gonna work? and then so that's where I'm like what I saw it to your point what I'm not excited for is Just kind of a half-assed. Yeah coming together of these things and then Liv becomes like, we'd still do it in the fall or whatever is just, I, yeah, I'm with you that it seems like something is gonna happen. It seems like people are behind the scenes

are very excited that something's gonna happen. And I just remain unclear of what that something is, I guess. Yeah, it's just tough to get excited for anything at this point. Cause we just, it's been five years of this bullshit and, you know, Jay Monahan strung us along at every turn and like, he's just, he's just not to be trusted. He's a like, he's just truly like, kind of ruined professional golf in a way.

And my love of the PGA tour in a way too, like it's not just Liv, it's the PGA tour too. And it's gonna take some time to earn that back I think. God, it's gonna be just a hell of a look back. Eventually, if it does come together or whatever, we need to do an episode of just all the things that all the things people forgot over the last five years would be really fun twists and turns in there. I think. I don't have, I don't see Brando's comments, uh, floating through on the agenda here. I don't know

if we want to discuss those at all, but that got stirred up quite a bit of, um, controversy, I guess, on the socials this past week. I think he got done a little dirty by some aggregators as far as like, if you listen to actually what he said, you know, of course got painted very quickly that Brando has flipped his mind on Liv. He did, I'm not, I don't have the full code in front of me, but did give a long kind of answer to say he played a round of golf with Donald Trump. He talked about Liv the whole time, talked about blah, blah, blah. The thing that he

admitted was like, he did change my mind on Yasser being like a good partner for the game of golf. He did not change his mind necessarily on Liv, but I don't know I thought to brand got done just a tad dirty on that but also like when you talk about like ruining like oh yasser this guy love this guy loves golf more than me and you like he is quoting Trump is saying that he loves golf you know for as much as Trump plays as much as Brandon was a sicko about it he's like yasser loves golf that

more than the most of us that I'm just kind of like, are we going to paint this guy's, is this guy going to end up getting painted as a hero? Like he loves golf so much that he fucking compared to Jay Monahan compared to Jay Monahan. Yasser is a hero. I, I'm not going to go down that path with you TC because this dude blew up men's professional golf so he could have his own little play thing here that is just that nobody is watching. Uh, then a bunch of people just got rich off of and us, the golf fans have had to pay the price on it. That like, I don't know if I'm here for the yasser like come back, uh,

comeback tour, if you will, if this thing all comes back to things, we're fine before you got here. Part of it is he just wanted to see it at the table and they told him no. So, so then he went and did that stuff too. Like if they would have at least taken the conversation with mistakes, certainly made, but they didn't have to go. He also didn't have to go down this route once that was the situation as well. So, I mean, God, it's just, it's, it's just the most bizarre timeline we continue to live. We need to get DT to hang out with brandil some more and I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question.

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I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good well. I think Trump was playing golf with Tiger this morning, and then go to the Superbowl in the evening. So there you go. All right. Hole number 13 on the LPGA. I mentioned this earlier, 23 year old Yelimino wins by four over Jin Young Co. Bursts the door down in her first career victory with a bogey free final round. TC, what do you got on you? Leave me know. Kind of a post-hype sleeper or she popped prior. She really played really good golf a few years ago and then kind of went through the darkness and she's been playing well now for at least the last eight to 12 months and just kind of popping up here and

there. So yeah, she packed Nellie down in her own backyard down there in Bradenton. This was the founders. This is the new founders presented by the US Virgin Islands. Perhaps Neil is down in the Virgin Islands trying to do some deals for us. Some activations. Yeah. But yeah, Jane Young-Ko seems to be back on form too. I think the big news on the LPGA side was this slow play memo that got out there. It sounds like the new

team that's been coming out of the LPL has been coming out of the LPL. So, yeah, I think that's a big thing. I think the big thing is that the LPL is a team that's been coming out of the LPL. So, I think that's a big thing. I think the big thing is that the LPL is a team that's been coming out of the LPL. So, I think that's a big thing. I think the big news on the LPGA side was this slow play memo that got out there. It sounds like the new interim commissioner, Liz Moore, is hopefully instituting a new pace of play policy that looks like it's going to go into effect in late March, I believe, before Molly left her post as LPGA Commissioner, they had kind of instituted this pace of play task force, changing how they're doing their timings and changing how

they're doing their penalties basically to provide more emphasis on stroking people, TC, many more penalty strokes. The big kind of pull quote was under the previous policy, 22 athletes received a fine in 2024 and nine received a two stroke penalty. That's like the mega egregious, you know, kind of breach of pace of play policy. If the new policy had been in place last year, 23 players would have received a one stroke penalty and eight would have received a two stroke penalty. So any big takeaways from this?

No, I think it's God, it's more than welcome. I love seeing it. Hopefully they actually enforce it. It's all, it's all in the enforcement. I'm worried for Carlota Saganda. Hundreds and hundreds of strokes. Yeah. Yeah. I was floating this on, on the everything app earlier, that I think that if you're on the list, whether it's a bottom 10 list for the season or a bottom 10 list in each tournament of like, Hey, this is one of the 10 slowest players in this tournament based on the season. And obviously I think the LPGA has a little bit more of a challenge there because they don't have ShotLink every week and they don't have as much data on who's slow. But I think that whether it's the five slowest players,

the 10 slowest players, DJ, like you had said that all of them should be liked up, you know, against their will even. I would say that- With an attempt to cancel, with a true attempt to cancel on top. We are trying to cancel. Every single one of their shots should

be timed and they should be treated like they're permanently out of position so that if Tom Kim takes more than 40 or 45 seconds, he is like, cool. That's a one stroke penalty, dude. Well, and it's cheating to your point. It's like, all right, if we don't have the manpower to time this and police it and whatever, like it just seems like we could time some of them. Why don I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, job there. She's kind of been speaking with clarity and conviction and force in some of the meetings that they've had and displaying some leadership. I think she's an attorney

by trade and hopefully she cleans up that JTBC lingering payment issue and sends that over to collections and gets that sorted because what a thing to have dumped in your lap by the previous commissioner. Yeah, lots of high praise for Liz Moore in the early weeks on the job here. I would recommend Bethann Nichols did a Q and A with her for golf week that I would suggest everyone go in and check out if you're looking to learn more about her.

But guys, couple other quick holes. These are very short. A lot of birdies here coming in. We don't get to shout out the hotel planner tour very often. Also doing business, formerly doing business as the challenge tour. Sebastian Gross, Gross, I'm not sure. I think it's grow, grow or gross.

Sebastian grow perhaps. Wild week, open with an 80, you know, who among us? It happens. Came back the next know, who among us it happens. Came back the next day, shot a course record 60 20 shot differential over there on the hotel planner tour and then comes back and goes 75 75 on the weekend. So TC this is like I feel like in the Mackenzie Hughes 66 66 without winning. I mean, if anybody ever goes 80, 60, 75, 75 and doesn't win, I feel like we need to call that the Sebastian grow. Cause I just don't know if we're, I don't know if we're ever

going to see that again. Yeah. I think it would have been more impressive. They went 70, 70 on the weekend and then he shot one 40 over two rounds, just two different ways. That would have been impressive. Shooting nothing between 74 and 61 is just, that's just perfect. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going't even get to the tour. It's fine. While you're looking that up, I do want to shout out how my guy, Hal Tong Lee, who I've said is many, many Dustin Johnson. First of all, I'm blown away that Hal Tong Lee hadn't

gone to live for sure. Would have lost the house. Would have lost the house. This is the guy that showed up at the president's cup. Didn't bring his caddy to the president's cup, just brought his trainer down to Royal Melbourne and just wouldn't play the proper strategy either. So yeah, I think anyway, it was par 72. It took me a while to get to the leaderboard for the hotel plan. 12 under. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, Hao-Tung Li dominated in, in, uh, Cotter and he beat another Rasmus, Rasmus Neergaard Peterson by one and Brandon, don't call me Dorian, Robin, Robinson Thompson by

three. So Hao-Tong, he's a stud man. If we're looking at, uh, majors going forward, would you take Rasmus Hoygard against all the other Rasmuses in the world? If I get all the other Rasmuses, would you take Rasmus Hoygard against all the other Rasmuses in the world? If I get all the other Rasmuses, would you take Rasmus Hoygard? Yeah. I mean, I think this Rasmus near guard, I know, I think so too. And you get all the Rasmuses. I don't know. Exactly. All the Rasmuses to come. Rasmus Rasmuses.

You let me know. I think I think I mean, how long? How long is this for to one of us parishes? I think just it's the Jews is always running. I think on that one, I just don't think it's going to come up that much. So I think we I think we need to. We need a big long window. Do we put this in the NLU record? Yeah.

TC has Rasmus Hoyegaard and maybe you do if you want to go double or nothing. You're talking such a big long window. Do we need to put this in the NLU record? Yeah. Yeah. TC has Rasmus Hohegard and maybe you too, if you want to go double or nothing, you're talking such a fucking big game of got a Rasmus Hohegard and a Rasmus to be named later. Yeah. Uh, versus me, I get all the other Rasmuses. Okay. I'll put that in the record. Okay.

All right. Moving on. Hole number 15. Uh, it's just letter writing season. I don't know why the fuck everybody's writing all these letters. Charlie Hoffman wrote a letter to the board. He just, I don't know, talked about a lot of different stuff, pace of play. We need to get it moving. But then he also took some not subtle shots at Rory and all the TGL guys basically saying, you need to prioritize the PGA tour if you really care about this product and, and rather than off the course opportunities, I don't know, is this thing,

is this kind of like the, the Charlie Hoffman Phoenix? This is why guys are going to live kind of a, you know, letter that we got a couple of years ago. Do you see Roy's interview about it? Do you see Roy's TGL quotes after it? It was a wonderful takedown just like for people that didn't. So, just like, yeah, I mean, he was mad about the A on swing five. He finished sixth in that. Um, yeah. It felt a little pointed at me, but the TGL and DP world's up. Uh, PGA tour owns 20% of the TGL. So you're kind of just ripping on your own product there. And yeah, I'm going to

continue to support the DP world tour, which also the PGA tour owns 40% of DP world tour productions. Uh, so yeah, not really sure. There's a lot of, a lot of like personal grievances painted as, uh, you know, grievances of the tour at large, but it was a lot more personal on it. So yeah, yeah, I think Charlie, Charlie could have gotten off a shot or two at the app. That would have been good. Uh, yeah, no, I felt a little, little petty from Charlie, but I do think that's a good thing to have happened. That would have been good. Yeah, I know I felt a little, a little petty from Charlie, but I do think there's a big

undercurrent of that from a lot of guys on tour towards, towards Rory. I mean, Rory was talking, what was that? This week or I guess beginning of last week, just about less playing, like less tournaments, less opportunities, which I think we're all down with. Yeah. I can see why maybe the players wouldn't be as into that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you know, Sally tweeted out this week and like, you know, we had, uh, Derek Ernst, he made what 12 starts, 11 starts in 2023 on

past champ status, 11 there. We got two fucking tournaments. We got 23. You only played once last year. It was in 2023. Yeah. It's just crazy. It's like, I'm fine with getting rid of some of these tournaments and getting a scarcity thing going a little bit. And then just too many playing opportunities to be honest. So, yeah. All right. Number, what is this? Number 16, I believe. Sorry.

Welcome to the club. Lucas, Lucas Glover wants to ban, ban Aimpoint. Too many. You're stomping all over the, he needs to write a letter. Takes too long. Would love to. And he seems like he's a true man of letters. I feel like could actually craft something that would be, you know, well written, well thought out. I would read any, any letter Lucas Glover wants to write. But this was just, I believe from his radio show on serious XM, just kind of, just a little fun rant that kind of went, I would say lowercase V viral in the golf world. I forget who it was.

I brought it up on a show a long time ago, just like, Hey, well, will you guys join me in Wendel Bannion Point? And one of the two of you was just like, sure. I mean, whatever, I'll join. But that's at least three people we've got. I'll co-sign the bill with you. Thank you. And it's pretty easy to enforce.

You just can't step on both sides of your line at the same time. Don't straddle your line. You should not. That should not be part of the game. And I'll say this, like for as much as I've been... How many hundreds of rules officials to get out there enforcing all this stuff, though? But as much as I've been, like, kind of throwing my hands up at a lot of pace of play stuff, the PGA Tour and all of golf should do everything in their power to speed up the process of holding out. That is where all of the log jams come from.

Like everybody, especially in threesomes, getting three guys to hole out is a massive problem. It's not- And rulings. And rulings is big too, but it's not like time spent on the fairway, like on caddy player, caddy combos, sure those could speed up.

You know, it's not time spent on the tee boxes. It's like the, the, the toll booth is like getting it in the hole and getting three guys in the hole and off the green. So anything you do to speed that up, like this would be a, you know, the timer should be out on the greens. Absolutely. And you should not be able to, to straddle your line.

I'm, I'm way in on that. What? Okay. Very, uh, practical solution. What if there's just like no marking after the first putt? I feel like I've heard that idea thrown out quite a bit. Yeah, but then it's, then you get people's lines. I mean, he's in shit like that. How does that work? I'm just so tired of the aim point people acting like it doesn't take more time.

Yeah. Like, you know, it's, it's been statistically proven and, or, you know, I'm just so tired of the aim point people acting like it doesn't take more time. Yeah. Like, you know, it's been statistically proven and or we've done a large analysis. Get the fuck out of here, man. Or 95% of the people out there have no idea how to aim point properly. And they're spending four times as much time on it. But either way, let's get rid of it. Get it out of here. It stinks. I might start,

I might start aim pointing just to see if I could really get under Sally skid. Next time we play, I would, I would allow you to do like it's within the rules. Like I, you know, I would be stopping all over his line. There's a guy. I don't think I stepped in your line. It's fucking infuriating. And he starts doing it too. Like when you're chipping from off the green and he's oblivious to where anybody else is, it's like, I refuse to play. And he's already the slowest guy out there. Like I refuse to play with him. Like it's that bad.

Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to, he was on the tee sheet, but didn't know he's not on it anymore. I hit the group text guys. I'm not, no, I'm not coming. All right. Hole number 17, Sergio Garcia said, quote, there's talk of me becoming the rider cup captain. I think it was kind of a, yeah, there's a very risk reward here. You get it. Cause you can, you can take either side of this. You look like a genius. If you call this one, right. If you got to say like, I totally believe this, I think he will be the rider cup captain. I mean, that's,

that's the risk reward of hole number 17. Well, he said it was, it was insimated that I believe this where did these press releases come from, by the way, they just started showing up. They just kept showing up my inbox from all, all, all, all Arabia, uh, from like very early this week, it was flooding the zone. And, um, I think it was intimated that this was for the 2027 rider cup at a dare manner, which of course Sergio's Irish roots go, go way back. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like she'd say for many people, right? It just doesn't seem like the era parent to Luke. It was big. Many people are saying vibes. Yeah. A lot of,

yeah, there's a lot of talk about this. Where, where exactly you guys want to get on the record right now Sergio? Absolutely, not ever gonna be Ryder Cup captain. I don't know if I get things come back I think he will be at some point Is he a European tour member again? Did he did he get his? I have no idea. I Forgot he say I hope you all like die or something like that. I don't know if it was quite that hard. I think it was, you're all fucked. You know, live is, lives taking over this, this tour is fucked.

You guys, this tour sucks. All that stuff, I believe. Uh, there was, um, there was a rule. This is, uh, from the telegraph, the DPU world tour passed a rule in 2018 players cannot be a rider cup captain or vice captain if they decline membership of the European tour failed to fulfill their minimum event obligation in any season. Any season I just have to reinstate and all the rules might just be no avoid at this point. That's the bet is enough

time passes that people forget about this live thing. And, uh, the, the rules changed that would have, that would be the only way he gets to be a captain. I hope he, I hope he gets to be a captain at some point, just cause they will invoke Seve so many fucking times. It's for sure. Sally's head will blow up. That'd be great. I'm on the record saying no, you guys on the record saying yes,

he's going to be a writer kept captain. We can't laugh at him being the 2027 captain and, and also say that he's going to be a cat. That's what I'm saying. I know I'm going to say one of the dudes to be kept. Right. I know. I will say, all right, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say there's a lot of people talking about him being the captain. I think those people are right. I feel like if he, if he's a captain, then Poulter has to be a captain. If Poulter's a captain, then he has to be a captain.

I feel like Poulter's gonna be a run of Liv guys. Graham McDowell's gonna get in there. Like, Stenson, get it back again. I think Stenson burned that one permanently. I feel like, I mean, Poulter seems like he hasn't, I don't know that he quite like blew up the bridge behind him the way Sergio did. So that one, I think people would probably be more okay with, but I don't know. All right. Listen, the 18th hole, this one's, it's a bad finisher. You know, it's,

we got to get back to the club. Exactly. It's kind of a bad routing. We're going straight back up the hill. I know it's not good. We're just looking at week five of TGL. Very juiceless. My beloved LAGC beat the shit out of an O and two Boston common golf club. Huge for my team. Huge. Keep Boston commons down the cellar. It's the playoff complexion for Juke leagues. Just a, not a, not a good week. This one kind of felt like the first one that's like, okay, actually I'm you know, this was not I don't know what the other weeks were necessarily appointment viewing but this one was quite missable unless anybody had

had anything different to say. No, I think the biggest bummer for me is the tech seems to stink. It's not good. Having me like the ball stopping on like the 70 degree slopes that the players hit from a flat lies. Even that like the gameplay stuff with it. The ball doesn't go anywhere where it lands on any of the greens and you know, just that it just it feels dated on that regard. But just with regard to like the numbers not just straight up not being accurate and not recognizing the radar and yeah, like the radar not being able to pick up spin properly. And they knew

this going in, like I've talked to a bunch of people who were like, oh yeah, like they were well aware that like, this is not the right tech to be, or at least have layers of resiliency. And it's just, and like, yeah, like we've been sponsored by foresight, like full, full transparency. This has nothing to do with that. Like I, you know, I think there's just, there's other solutions out there that, that would be better for this and people are betting on this and which I don't know if I have a ton of sympathy for those people.

Totally. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, like it's still a regulated market, right? Like there needs to be some semblance of seriousness with regard to the data. Yeah. Right. And that's, I don't know, it's just, it's just not a good look. Yeah.

No, I fully co-sign all of that. Your boy, Tommy hit just like a shot. He just hit it too well. It just didn't even register. Do you see how they hit it again? The bad part is how much they were hyping the tech being like the the reason to tune in. It just I honestly can think back to like Tiger Woods. Twenty twelve was probably the last version that I ever played.

And it had better like gameplay in terms of ball behavior on the ground on a video game from 12 years ago, or at least more interesting. Totally. Like it just is. It just this reminds me of like early 2000s Tiger Woods games in terms of how the ball behaves on the ground. It's like, which sounds like a minor thing, but it's totally not because it just becomes very easy to flip off. When you know, it's just not that suspense with a lot of things, but, and they've got double headers coming up.

You know? Yeah. It's, it's going to be interesting. Monday, February 17, locking people to so five center. I'll say this too. We can all get caught up in a little bit of recency for all of it. I mean, the juke links Boston common match was, was legitimately fantastically entertaining and like, not every college basketball game on a Tuesday night is wildly entertaining, right? Like there's got to be some slack form of like, dude, it's not, not everyone is going

to be a banger and there's just going to be some, okay. No, I'm totally good with it being a work in progress. I'm just disappointed on certain stuff that I thought wasn't going to be the concern, right? Right. Or, or wasn't going to be room for improvement for year two though. Honestly, like they'll have a lot of time to do some of this stuff. Um, I don't know if they'll have time. It just concerns me that sponsorship. I was going to say, it just concerns me that they're, that some of the stuff that feels like maybe they built this thing around or they can't necessarily

change on the fly, uh, is, is kind of baked in at this point. So we've got, you know, we've got Atlanta drive versus LA. We've got, and then right after that, double header for them, Atlanta drive versus the Bay. And then at 7pm, we've got the Bay versus Boston. So it's just a double enough, you know, both double and up. So you got to wonder if LA and, and especially Boston gets a, it's a little bit of an advantage there. It's good for Yeah, it's good for them to, you know, for as long as those travels got to be from their, their, a lot of

those locations. So, you know, we want to shout out the West Coast to the East Coast, how they perform historically. Exactly. I did want to show the new plane though. I'm pretty sure I read I can play like the Dodgers are getting done. Speaking of Dodgers and LA good, good bought into DJ's beloved LA golf. Yeah, that's great. You know, hopefully we can, you know, that allows for some capital improvements and you know, maybe a new development center down in the,

down in the DR or something like that. Get a pitching lab going. What are those? I don't know where that metaphor where I'm going with that one. Sure. Sounds great. Welcome to the squad guys. Happy to have you. I think that's about it guys. I think it's probably Superbowl time. TC, you want to get a prediction on the record here before that everybody can either laugh at or commend you on? Yeah. I've got a party going on out the door here and my AirPods keep flipping over to the game, which I don't know what Freddie's doing out there, but listen, I'm going to stick with my Eagles. I am in this thing for the long haul. I think they're going to win.

They're going to overcome the, the, the midness. I don't think he stinks. I just think he's mid of Jalen Hurts and you know, we're going to go from there. I thought I wanted to claw. I, I couldn't, I couldn't take it when there was a serious Trevor or Jalen Hurts conversation on the ball, knowers of like, yeah, the John is about to win a super bowl. I think here quite shortly after this, I think you put Trevor on that team and he's like much better than, than Jaylen.

He's a system guy. Jaylen is, you got benched for, for two, people forget. So you literally got, you got benched at the national TV. Then what the fuck was Brock Purdy doing in college? He was Mr. Irrelevant. Why is that not held against him? If if Jalen Hurts, he was like a four year starter at Iowa State. It was absolutely flashing. Totally different. All right, we take this offline, guys.

Enjoy, enjoy the game. Enjoyed watching Phoenix this week. Lots of other fun stuff to talk about. Good being with you guys. Thank you to titleist. Thank you to the stack system. Thank you to our friends at Holderness and Born. Thank you to title is thank you to the stack system. Thank you to our friends and Holderness and born. Thank you to TC. Thank you to Sally. Thank

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And TC, I'll see you tomorrow, dog. Looking forward to it. Will. I'm going to eat some Chicago hot dogs up there, dude. God, can't wait. All right, boys. We will catch everybody next week, or later this week, I should say, in a couple of days.

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