No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 957: Ludvig wins the Genesis at Torrey, Joaco at LIV Adelaide, Jeeno at Saudi Ladies

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Ludvig Åberg wins the Genesis! Join us as we recap the week in golf: Ludvig's win at Torrey, Joaquin Neimann at LIV Adelaide, and Jeeno Thitkul at the PIF Saudi Ladies International. We will break down everything from Torrey Pines, talk LIV, news and notes, fun segments, and more. Presented by High Noon. Support our sponsors: High Noon - Sun's Up! FootJoy - New Spring line is out The Stack - code "nolayingup" for 10% off ServPro - Like it never even happened Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Right Club, be the right club today! Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no laying up live show presented as always by our friends at high noon the ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no laying up live

show presented as always by our friends at high noon Ludwig Oberg put on his own face at the Genesis. We had Waco Nieman win at live Adelaide after the fire balls. Gino Tithekoon wins by four at the PIF Saudi ladies international. Solly here with my guy DJ Pye. Hello, Pye man.. Greetings guys. What a great weekend of watching golf.

Good to be with you and happy to talk about it. So much to talk about. The big guy is here. What's up big guy? Big Randy, how are you? I mean, Dej, couldn't have said it any better myself. It's cold as shit here in Denver. It was a nice weekend to be inside looking at the sunny San Diego Torrey Pines golf course. Soly, back to you.

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High Noon, sun's up, check it out. High Noonspirits.com to find a pack near you. Dej, take us away. Guys, Ludwig Oberg, your winner at the Genesis, the Sword of Genesis, Move to Torrey Pines Genesis. You know, just an absolutely thrilling week of golf, I feel like. I, you know, if you measured my feelings right now versus my expectations going into this week of just like, man, it's going to be a rainy, sloggy, thick, rough kind of week at Torrey Pines. I just don't think those two things could have been different. So, Sully, I'll throw it right back to you.

Agree? Disagree? How you feeling? How'd you sum up the week here? Well, this week, this tournament reminded me more of the farmers that I used to really enjoy watching, you know, when there was a fair amount of big names that played there at the end of January. They didn't have the, you know, awkward Saturday finish, you know, because the change in the conference championship dates of the NFL when they switched the 17 game schedule accident actually really damaged the farmers, damaged that event. And it just brought it a golf course, which is not my favorite, which we're going to talk about. I'm sure,

as we always do with Torrey Pines, but it was like, it's a fun to watch. Like it's challenging. It's beautiful scenery. There was always some good suspense at the end. We got a lot more of that. I mean, just getting a chance to see the best players in the world play Torrey is a lot more entertaining than just watching kind of a mid PGA Tour event on a rather dull golf course.

So I'm with you. I do think I am gonna implement a strategy going forward with Torrey Pines though. I'm gonna start on Sunday, because the first I got to watch any golf this week was Saturday and I was like, man, I'm ready implement a strategy going forward with Torrey Pines though. I'm gonna start on Sunday like because the first I got to watch any golf This week was Saturday and I was like man. I'm ready for this. Let's do it by the end of the day Saturday I was like I kind of kind of forgot. This is just a hard one to do all week. The end is usually good It's usually plenty entertaining come Sunday

And I think I just need to save my energy for Tory for just Sunday and I won't be as whiny about it The only thing I'll push back on there, it was, this week was awesome on Thursday, because the weather was so, so stinky. It was, you're right. And it was really fun to watch some guys getting just battered out there by the elements. But big, I think we're kind of aligned.

I was sitting at home, we got about eight inches of snow this week, and flipping it on yesterday, I was just like man. It's sunny There's clip there's hang gliders, you know this the just sun-soaked Coastline of Torrey Pines like this is this is great. So I'm guessing you're feeling kind of similar Yeah, that's it that and to Sally's point. It felt like this weekend specifically felt like Torrey Pines of old where you know, let's say what you want about whether you're around and invested in the Hawaii events I've always really felt like today. Oh, swing in front of us. And, you know, culminating

at Riviera, the best course on tour, but obviously, that was not the case this year. So I'm glad it was a great Sunday. We'll get into it. Where would you like to start each? Let's say our technology is so good, it glitches out anytime somebody gets ready to say something really nice about Tori is your Wi Fi was started cutting out a little bit. It might be a situation you need to monitor, but that was well timed. I think where we start is with our champion Ludwig Oberg, his second PGA Tour victory.

Back to the Ludwig of old, I feel like, you know, kind of just dominant off the tee, really, really good with the irons and as TZ was quick to point out in our slack, a little dodgy inside 10 feet with the putter. So it was kind of the full Ludwig experience. I think maybe CBS might have lost him. There's a lot going on on that kind of middle portion of the round today, but kind of lost him until we got to that back nine and then he just, you know, a little bogey free 32 on the back and there's your champion. But what impressed you most about Ludwig today?

Well, I mean we kind of needed one for from our guy here. We needed a big one I mean winning winning the RSM great job like wonderful like but he is heck of a tournament. I think it's a wonderful job That's fantastic. He is a better player than just to have that as his only like PJ Tor win on his resume I believe he only has one DP World Tour win as well to this point I know he's you know, he's just kind of still getting his professional career started. But like, this dude is one of the top five, six, seven favorites every time he tees it up, no matter what the field is. Like he's one of that, that level player in the world. And we've seen this happen with a lot of guys, it takes a little bit of time for the win resume to, to match up to that profile. But this was a big one and this one gets some monkeys

off the back in terms of, I mean, he gets 18 months of leniency from me on not closing tournaments from here going forward, right? Because it was starting to get, I had at one point typed into the agenda day, can we talk about Ludwig on Sundays? Because it's left a little bit to be desired. Weekends in general when he's put himself in contention.

US Open of Pinehurst comes to mind from last year like it was a kind of a fair conversation I thought we were gonna be having tonight with the way that round started but he hit the gas pedal went for it I think he would have won farmers if he didn't get sick I mean that's not a very bold call he was like 18 under par but when he got sick and that happened just a few weeks ago but I'm stoked for him it. It's really easy to get excited about the Ludwig rocket ship now that we have a signature event win on his resume. I love our resident public defender of Ludwig, Cody,

checking in, just his first USO, but I can't believe he didn't close that. That's so disappointing. I mean, Cody's supposed to be the dude. He didn't close it. He was not competitive on the weekend. I need to see more out of that. Randy, what's your, I always kind of, He was supposed to be the dude. He didn't even close it. He was not competitive on the weekend. I need to see more out of that.

Randy, what's your, I always kinda, maybe this is unfair, but I always just ask you, what's your deal with this guy? What's your gut? How do you feel about Ludwig? I care so much about what Randy thinks about these guys. It's so good. Bottom line, of course, big guy.

No, I like Ludwig. He carries himself like somebody that's gonna If a guy. No, I like Ludwig. He he's got a, he carries himself like, like a, like somebody that's going to win a lot. Like, like, he's not nervous or like he has no whiffs of like imposter about him. He just seems inevitable and I enjoy that. I like his get down. I like his, I just find him modest and I like the way he thinks. I like the way he interviews. I'm a big fan. I thought today, I mean, honestly, I had lost track of him. Like expecting math McNeely to win and maybe we can go there next but I Ludwig's great and it's it's good to see that he's finally better truly after telling Neil

and I a couple weeks ago at Pebble that he was better. Ludwig the better man over. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? You weren't wrong. You were just early. That's right. That's right. Officially declare now that he is definitely better. So, I'm going to float weren't wrong, you were just early. That's right. I think we can officially declare now that he is definitely better. So I'm gonna float a little question for you guys on just kind of winning percentages in general, right? So this is his second win in his 40th PGA Tour Start.

My quick math would say that is 5% of PGA Tour Starts and that's quite nice. Where do you see him netting out? I just pulled this page up. I got Roy McElroy, Scotty Scheffler, John Rahm, Xander Schauffele and Brooks Koepka in their career win percentages. I got Rory at 10.5, Scotty's at 9.8, Rahm at 7, and Xander and Brooks are right there at 5 where Ludwig is right now. Where do you think 150 starts from now, or let's go by the time Levy gets 200 starts, where do you think his win percentage will be at?

Are we closer to that 10% or do you like him at this 5% that he's at right now? There's a big difference. There's a massive difference and I know it's very lame to split the difference and say it's probably right in the middle but that's kind of where I'm at, right? It's probably in between those two. I don't know that he is going to be quite as dominant or... I don't know. I just think it's

a very different game than when Rory stacked up a lot of those early wins, probably. And Rory just has avoided the injury bug. Ludwig's already had a couple of little nagging injuries, who knows? But I don't know. I think, I think it's, I think it's probably just a little north of there just because of the way he drives it and hits his irons, right? It's like, it's kind of like if you're gonna, you know, if you had your three phases of the ball or whatever, you're driving your iron and you're putting, I mean, I think those are the two I would take certainly in the way that the game stacks up now. But I, I, yeah, just cause real quick to your, I know, and I know he's

re racked up a lot of starts into his fifties and I'm not sure if this is counting honestly, Pete, uh, Liv starts and all that, but Phil's career winning percentage, 6.6%. So that's, it's better. You know, I'm sure at one point it was, it was better than that, but just wanted to throw that in for reference. Sorry. Go ahead, Randy.

No, I was just going to make the point. in for reference. Sorry, go ahead, Randy. No, I was just going to make the point. I could see him being closer to 10% over the next, as you said, 150 starts, five years. I feel like we are entering a prime five years for Ludwig. And like he said, just his profile, right? The way he hits the ball, he's gonna be in contention so much. His floor is high. I, you know, in his career, he'll probably settle back down closer to that five, 6%. I would guess.

I mean, God, that's such a good career, but I wouldn't be shocked over the next five years. You know, 150-ish starts if he's closer to that 10%. I just, I mean, Solly, on a true talent level, like, where, where do you place him? I keep, like, thinking at him. I keep picturing him as Rom, honestly, of like, when Rom came out, just becoming an immediate force, an immediate, like, betting favorite, immediate, you know, the data is to love this guy. The guy keeps putting up better scores and numbers than people even realize that happened for a while with Ron before people realized he was a massive star.

They were calling him the buoy for a long time. That's so many people have been calling him the buoy. And I just picked up on that at some point. So I, yeah, I, I, he's just a massive, massive talent that I still think is just kind of scratching the surface in terms of, of, you know, I hate to just go cliche, but like what it takes on the back nine on Sunday, and it was today, like we just haven't seen that out of him to this point, puts you on track for the hall of fame. Like he is that level of talent. He's not a, I don't know, he's like more talented, I think, than like Justin Thomas. Is that, you know, is that a fair statement? I don't know if it's, the talent is a weird one, right?

Where it's like, I always just look at JT and I'm just like, man, that guy is like a golfer. That guy knows how to get golf ball in the hole. And maybe in a way that almost feels a little bit old school as he's starting to age and the game's starting to change a little bit. Whereas Ludwig is like, man, that's kind of exactly how you would draw up the modern golfer right there.

Is that fucking drive you hit on 18? It's just like, dude, that like that's awesome. That's it. Like, go ahead, keep up, man. What are you going to do about that, guys? And that's where I think when we get into some of the Torrey Pines criticism and you know how the fairways are so narrow, everybody misses them. It's just it's not even a driving contest. I'm like, well, some guys can hit it straight, though, man.

And like that's like some guys, it's not luck when they hit the fairway. And they hit it super long. And that's where I actually had a really good time watching Torrey this week. But that's a separate conversation. Can I pull the JT one back, just because I didn't say that with confidence?

I think he's more talented than I can't lay. Like, I can definitively say that. Like, that's kind of more what I meant. JT's had a hell, like if Ludwig has JT's career, that's very, more what I meant. JT's had a hell, like if Ludwig has JT's career here, that's very, very, very successful. So. God, what a sick job I can't lay in the 18 today. Just dumped it in the billabong there on 18.

Okay, so let me pose another question to you guys. What, like what's, how much better can Ludwig get? And the way I see it is, you know, there's certainly some improvement to be had around the greens and with his putting. And if that's the case, then it's like, is his iron play a lot different than like a Scottie Scheffler? Or I feel like, sorry, what's separating him

from that next echelon, like the upper echelon right now the Scotty Well, I mean the fact that just nobody is Scotty is is the main thing But I mean if you look at his season last year He gained seven tens of a shot off the tee seven tens with approach play. So 1.4 with ball striking You know doing all he was, you know above average putter didn't do much around the greens Like his floor is just like 1.7 strokes gain average per round is massive. There's just not five guys that get better than that. It doesn't look nearly as amazing when you got somebody like Scotty doing what he

did and Xander doing what he did last year. But I mean, he's not in that class, but he's not far behind that. It's just that Xander is an incredible putter and doesn't get enough credit for it. And I would not call Ludwig an incredible putter, but to put up two solid seasons on tour of above average putting, it's like something that Justin Thomas could benefit greatly from. Jordan Speed could benefit from that consistency in terms of putting. So it's just, it's very robotic. He's way above average with distance and above average with accuracy, which is just a very, very rare combo. And he hits it into these spots

where it's honestly hard to screw up. He is, what I was so curious to see today is like he is gonna rack up top 10s, top 15s. Like you can't, it's really hard to screw it up from where he hits it. And that's the only question was like, dude, are you gonna like do the, you do the big like massive weeks

where you go and run away with it? Or are we just gonna kind of see you hang out in this top 10 for a long time? Because we know how you can end up classifying those guys that get really close to winning but don't win. I would have hated to have seen that happen again and have you guys get so wrong about another guy. No, that's well said. Just, just while we're there, Tony Fina T five today, T five just ran out of holes after that opening 76 from big tone. Sorry. Go ahead, Randy. Well, no, let me ask you, Dej, how much better can Ludwig get? I guess what I'm driving at is

he's 25 and I think he's still adjusting somewhat to life on tour, uh, coming off a bit of an injury. Like when Scotty was 25, the like, is there a lot of improvement left to be had or we kind of looking at Ludwig is close to like what he is. I think it's consistency and I think it's uh like you said, it's kind of the water finding the level a little bit of getting used to all of those

things that you're talking about and figuring out, okay, who is this guy really? You know, over a over a longer stretch of time and then I think with all of these guys, it just is you know over a over a longer stretch of time and then I think with all of these guys it just is You know like can't lays a good example of man when he's when he's on form and he's saying it It doesn't look all that different than Scotty It doesn't look all that different than Xander, but the problem is like it doesn't last for Four years five years in the case of Rory

Twelve years, you know, and so I think that's the thing with Ludwig is like we've seen a lot of these. We've seen a lot of guys go on crazy, crazy, crazy hot streaks. Dustin Johnson, Jason Day, Spieth, JT, lots of guys. Rom, you mentioned, Cam Smith, and it's just a matter of like, is it a two-year run or is it a 15-year run? And like that is kind of the question. So I guess. is it a two year run or is it a 15 year run? And like that is kind of the question. So I guess, I don't know. And I think that's what makes it fun cause we don't know.

Exactly. And that's where I'm like, do I think like his quality of like his, you know, I'm trying to like compare it to another sport. Like is his like vertical leap gonna gain another foot? Like, no, you know, but it's almost more like, can you get to this like, I would call him a top tier player right now. Right. And it's like, once you've unlocked

that, you've kind of like beaten the final boss to get into that top tier. Now it's like the only question now is like, all right, well, how long can you stay at the top tier? And that's what's so impressive to me about Scotty every single week, including this week, is like, yeah, no, he's just, okay, cool. I guess we're just doing it for another year. No, he's just good. Like he's still that guy.

He's still at his peak and it's just how long can you peak for? And that's the question I, you know, I have no idea. So that's where I'm like, man, I don't think he's going to drive it that much better. I don't think he's going to hit his irons that much better. Maybe he tightens up the putting in the chipping a little bit, but like, I don't think he's going to, you know, five years from now, I don't think he's gonna look like a completely different player. It's just a matter of can he sustain his top golf, right? Yeah, I totally agree. And I think that's the fun of it, right? Is is we obviously don't

know but there's a possibility that exists that he could find this this kind of upper tier and and kind of be amongst the best three in the game for like quite a while and I guess where I come back with Ludwig is I just like his makeup I and I don't know him that well but hanging out with them and seeing him interviewed like I just like everything I've seen and heard from them. And so I'm very optimistic for that reason. There's the guys that it's like this sweet spot where both the game and I put Scotty in this camp too. The game just looks very easy and they work their ass off. You know, there's like, there's a lot of guys where it's like,

man, it doesn't look that easy for you. Like I know, you know, and I almost put Xander in that camp and maybe that's totally unfair, but I'm like, man, you just seem like you work your ass off. And I kind of put the, and I almost put Xander in that camp, and maybe that's totally unfair. But I'm like, man, you just seem like you work your ass off. And I kind of put Cam Smith in that category when he was on his run, you know, where it's like, oh, my God, this guy's a world beater. He's going to be this guy forever.

It's like, no, he seems like he's really dedicated himself over the last two or three years. And he breaks through and he starts winning more and he wins a major and he becomes one of the best players in the world but for Ludwig I'm like man I just I don't think you need to tear that much down and rebuild it like I think I don't know you seem like you got the mental makeup the physical makeup and you work really hard and I don't know that just seems really hard hard to beat. Well he seems to have the the perfect amount of I'm gonna be using

air quotes here of not caring I. I mean, I know that he cares, but he just doesn't seem like he treats it as life or death. And that speaks to longevity to me, of not wearing yourself out mentally. Because honestly, the rom-com might not even be my favorite one that I've been making. Maybe it's pre-freak-out Hovland, which is kind of an important caveat of like, yeah, Hovland is not wired the same way that Ludwig is It's part of what has made the Hovland great or get to a certain height But it also did not contribute very well to him maintaining and staying there So to your point on the maintenance and staying like I just like the way his makeup fits with his is ceiling

It's it's gonna be exciting man. I'm so stoked. He bagged this one Hey, do youJ. Cody, what do you got? Yeah, no, not at all. No, I just have a couple things that I would like to say here is that I think overall, this is so loving has played a total of three events around Torrey Pines. The first time this year, obviously farmers, he was super, super sick. I think he opened with like 63 or 64 or something like that, played phenomenally. I think a lot of these places, these courses that you guys are comparing him to, the Scotties and Zanders and everything else, they have so many years of tour experience under their

belt. Levinick does not have that yet. And you see now on his second, really completing his second year at a majority of these places, how much better he's getting. And then you add on the fact like Scovie and the like, how much of a difference he makes having him on the bag. And this is no offense to Jack or anything else like that. But it's a completely different ballgame. And I that's where I'm like, I'm right there with you, Randy. The sky is truly the limit. I think somebody's name you guys haven't compared him to yet is really, and I know that that win to win, it's kind of difficult, but like

this is kind of what we thought like Waco potentially could be, is like truly a killer and go out there and just like beat down the door all the time because it's hard with Victor and everybody else's comps because Victor really had a better amateur record than Ludwig did but we know this floor is just not there so I don't know maybe it's just caught up in the time here with with with everything going on on live but comparing the two of them I think you know if you want to look at more majors in the long run it could be an interesting thing to dissect. That's an interesting column.

You're gonna need to see something from Nieman in a major before, that Ludwig couldn't solo second his first masters while Nieman. Thank you for giving him credit for that. Nieman, that was the US Open that he should have shit the bed. But while Nieman hasn't done shit with the invites he's begged for,

I'm gonna put some respect on Ludwig's name for that one. I think the other difference is, I can't think of anybody, let alone Waco, who drives the ball like Neiman. That's just the other- Like Ludwig. Or like Ludwig, I'm sorry. Yeah. That's the other reason for just the excitement is,

you hear us say in this podcast every week, just how important it is to drive it well, drive it well, drive it well. And he he's the guy that is doing that better than anybody, you know? So it's, I don't know. You never quite saw that with, I can't really think of like anybody you saw that with Scotty is like weirdly kind of one of the best examples of somebody who drives it long and straight other than Rory is the obvious one. But again, that's,

that's pretty elite company of people kind of beating that final boss. But guys, I agree with you completely. Just trying to play devil's advocate here. Appreciate everybody out there. Been Cody's an idiot. That's that makes me feel real good. But I love it. Stand it up for all the live boys the best that I can. It's just not a lot to stand on, though. Cody, I like your I like your hoodie, by the way. And many people in the comments calling out

Dustin Johnson as one of those premier drivers. That's interesting. I was inmate to say that. That's no mission. Yeah. That's honestly not that bad of a comp. Like that's a pretty good comp. Even though it's an interesting one.

And that's another one where it's like, man, look, okay, there you go. There's a guy that stayed healthy for 20 years. Like that's what it looks like. The shitload of wins. I'm upset we didn't come up with that. I know. Or so that I'm upset the like is forgotten like truly the forgotten man. Dustin Johnson winning percentage seven and a half

percent. There it is right in the middle. I think that's it we're talking about. That's him. Shout out to the commenters. That's I think that's the comp. I mean, and God, you know, that's gonna make happy is our beautiful boy TC. TC sent me about not on the pod, he's on vacation with his family. I woke up first thing this morning, when we get to the back night, we'll get to it.

Just hundreds and hundreds of words in Slack, just like, hey, if you could drop these into the pod tonight, that'd be great. So we're gonna get to, I think he's earned it with this Ludwig victory, so we'll get to some of those later, but we got a lot more to talk about with Torrey Pines. But before we get there, I know some of us, Randy, are looking out our window and still seeing snow

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eight of his first 11 holes looks like a complete man on fire and just gets snake bit by a shot at Torrey Pines place where he has played quite well over the over the course of his career I think he's made the cut six out of seven times that he's played this event Mavav's playing pretty, really nice golf, but he didn't quite get it done today. So what are you seeing when you watch him? Because he seems like somebody who has significantly leveled up.

I love watching Mav in contention, and maybe it goes back to a pod we did with him, four, five, six, I don't know how many years ago it was when he just talked about like, he's a very analytical mind, and he's a very smart, thoughtful dude, and it has a way of communicating it.

But basically the way he views pro golf is just like, hey man, don't get down about your lows. Don't worry about your missed cuts. Your bad golf or your mediocre golf isn't going to define your career. How do you get the most out of when you are at your best? Watching him compete in close situations, going down the stretch with like that vision in my mind, watching how confident he plays, like the way he hits some of those iron shots

into the back nine, the way he hacked that ball even out of the rough on 17, getting that ball up and down for par on 17. He just plays with this level of confidence when he has his game. And I remember watching that, remember that club tour on the pebble a couple of years ago coming into 18,

like he just has this gas pedal. I know he's only got the one win with it, but he, you know, he's raised his floor a ton. Ironically, I'm bringing up this point about not caring about your bad golf, but like when his game wasn't quite as good, he would still have great peak weeks, but just like maybe miss three cuts in a row. Now he's raised his floor so much that I wouldn't be surprised if we see this fairly more often, honestly. I mean, it's really cool to watch and he's such a good putter when he gets hot.

I remember we did a video with him a few years ago and he was just talking about how he would describe his game. He's like, yeah, I chip and put the lights out. I was like, God, how fun would that be to go through life with that viewpoint? But now the ball striking is starting to catch up with all of it and I'm gutted forav. That's the only real downside of today. Cause I was, you know, I would have been very, very happy to see him in this

tournament too. And he's, and he's flying his own plane there. It's great, man. I love it. I love it. Big, you gotta be a huge, a huge Mav guy. I don't know if anything else could, could be more your shit than Mav's whole, whole deal. I like Mav. I was just going to add to what Solly said. It really did strike me getting to talk to him at Pebble Beach.

You know, I got to think it's a lot easier to treat golf as not life and death when the rest of your life is in a really good place. not life and death when the rest of your life is in a really good place. And I think that's what I glean from Mav, you know, with getting married late last year and he's got a pilot's license, you know, he's got these interests outside of the game, these passions. I just, I don't know, man, like I know it sounds a little cliche or whatever, but it just seems like he's in a really good spot personally and he's kind of letting his game shine at the moment which is fun. Yeah, and just again, hard worker and a guy that seems to get the most out of his game

and goes about it in a very thoughtful way. It's just an easy guy to root for, for sure. He's, ran to your point, he seems really comfortable in his own skin. And I think back to, I think it was 2018 Web.com Tour Championship. It was here. It was an Atlantic beach here in Jacksonville. We had the Kill House and a few guys kind of came over one night and Mav was one of them. And I just, I remember being like, Oh, Mav just kind of seems like a rookie out here. He just doesn't quite, you know, I gave him for like being out in a social situation,

but just didn't seem comfortable, you know, when he was over that night. And now like you're around, when you're around him, he's a totally different guy in terms of he just seems very, very, very comfortable in his own skin. And as you know,

so a few years on the road of professional life will do that to you. And I also just kind of throw out the fact that, you know, going back to it's kind of a stretch maybe from some of the Ludwig stuff, but he did get his first win late last year, right? And so there's a lot of guys, especially when you've been chasing, which we're going to get to with Patrick Rogers and Denny McCarthy in a second.

But when you've been trying to knock down that door and trying and trying and trying, and then you finally do, there's been a lot of people that, you know, you don't really hear much from. I think you do see a lot of guys that go on and play really good golf and find their footing a little bit, but it can kind of go either way. And Mav has, I think it's what, six starts now

since his first win, and half of them been top tens. So it's good to see him just kind of keep the ball rolling on that stuff and not necessarily be like, oh, I got a little security, I'm gonna tear it all down or, you know, chase some other, some other different thing. It seems like he's just kind of tripling down on on what's working. So good for him. Good week for math.

I mentioned Patrick Rogers and Denny McCarthy. They were, they made up our final group this week. I'm bringing this up. Obviously these guys are still chasing their elusive first win. Patrick Rogers has 286 career starts, maybe 287 now, I believe, and Danny McCarthy now 194. Six runners up between the two of them. So I'm just going to tee you up. One of my favorite takes of the week, I think.

I think if this is no disrespect to Patrick Rogers. No disrespect to anybody. Of course, no disrespect to anybody. I course, no, I love Mr. Rogers. A very nice guy. I think if you, uh, if you make 300 tour starts without winning, you should lose your cart. Like you should, you should, uh, you should get rel, you have to go back to corn fairy and you have to win to get it back.

I don't care what happens, but like you got to win a tournament. Uh, I think that's a, I think that's a great role. And I'd be surprised if they didn't implement that immediately. I think yeah, I think SSG is working on that. They're going to maybe ride around. Yeah, I think that's coming into play really soon. Yeah. No, I love that. I love that idea. I just at first I was like, Oh God, that's a funny joke. And then the more I thought about the world, I was like, damn man, man imagine Patrick Rogers only had like what 13 more starts and it was just the rest of the season I would I would be looking every week on Thursday Friday like no worst Patrick Rogers that they're about to put them take a mind

That would shed just put him out of his misery like he's not this week Yeah, I was gonna say he'd have to start getting strategic with his starts You know like hey, man Don't waste a start at this course, not a good setup for you. God, be electric. One of the guys got to like, 297 298. They're like up in the top five. Like, I mean, that God, that would be awesome. So I was just started as a career, but I'm

really in on that idea. I was just getting ready to career earnings. Question with Patrick Rogers puts up on screen. He's made 16 million in his career over the course of those 287 starts. That's that's good work if you can get it. That's I feel so old, man. He's they said he's been out there for 10 years. I was watching him like the junior players when I was in college. And credit to I know I'm somewhat making a joke here, but Patrick played his way into the signature event series last year.

Like he is that an up and down career with injuries and it just says, it seems like he's just, I follow him on Instagram. I just always feel like he's battling some sort of injury. I know he's had some wrist stuff and, uh, you know, just never really had the career like trajectory takeoff, but played his way into the signature series, uh, last year by finishing top 50 and is, you know, finishes T3 this week and really nice points and paycheck. His career is trending in the right direction is all I'm trying to say. Here, here. Scottie finishes T3. Not a ton to add other than the things we've been saying about

Scottie on this podcast for the last three years or so. You know, he did all the things that he normally does well. He did pretty well. Just didn't quite, you know, a couple sloppy things here and there. But I said, throw a slight caution flag here just to say like the ball striking is not back yet. I mean, understandably had surgery. It is, I mean, it's obvious it's not Scotty level ball striking just yet. And I'm not throwing up a flare for concern just yet.

But I think we expected a little bit of Russ coming off of this, but just monitoring the situation, I'd say around that he had a big stroke skating around the green this week, highlighted by the hole out from the bunker on the back nine today. But yeah, I mean, some weird misses. He's been just a little frustrated out there,

a little down on himself, a little frustrated out there a little little down on himself a little, you know, the the little bit Bryson II of the fake shock on some of these balls like draw, left to right wind, how did you get through 10 yards, which you don't really see out of Scotty all that to say like, it's just, you know, it's not all the way in full gear, obviously. But I mentioned this on Twitter, this is the first time he hasn't won in a three starts stretch since these same three events last year.

That is a literal calendar year. That's pretty crazy. Look out. Oh, that just means we're getting into Scottie season, maybe. That's true. Yeah, I'm with you. You're right.

It's not all the way back. But I guess what's almost more impressive in a way is I saw a couple just weird, like weird decisions, right? Like bad mistakes this week and at Pebble. I was just like, huh, Scotty doesn't usually do that. And when other players make those types of mistakes, they're finishing like 31st. And for him, it's like, oh, no, he's got a chance to win the golf tournament. There was another part or another time this year, like when he had that hole out where he was like, oh yeah, he's probably going chance to win the golf tournament. You know, there was another part or another time this year, like when he had that hole out, we're like, oh, yeah, he's he's

probably gonna win. And he kind of felt the same way in that front nine at Phoenix. And it's just, yeah, it's crazy how high that the floor is. No, I'm not breaking any news there. But Pat Cantlay t five, we talked about that Tommy Fleetwood, how many career starts does he have? So I like based on your kind of based on your 300 starts conversation, we might need to start monitoring that situation. He's about halfway there. I think I had to count it 100. This was maybe 140 PGA Tour starts, maybe 148. Forget what it was exactly, but monitoring the situation when it comes to maybe, maybe what we do is, uh, cause that, you know,

I just don't think we can trust the do nothing PGA tour to, uh, to, to implement this brilliant rule. So maybe we just stop acknowledging these people. Maybe it's a six cents situation and they just, you know, we're missing somebody here on the show tonight. If we want to stop, 13 is 13 more starts for whatever it is for Patrick Rogers. Then we're just not talking about him anymore. He just doesn't exist.

What else? Anything else in your guys' notebook from Tori? Saul, you want to talk a little golf course? Oh, we can do that if that works. Brandon, do you have anything else on any other players that you want to get to? I know guys, I had a lot on Jake Knapp. He finished tied for 17th.

No, please go ahead, Sully. The only thing we should get to before we totally move away, I guess, is the JD had a fire outfit. That's obviously on the list of things to get to. They continue to do provocative and interesting things, which I think is all you can ask. And then we should talk Rory, one of his worst putting days ever in round three,

just a truly jarring situation to watch. I think this is per Justin Ray, the GOAT. Saturday was his single worst round in strokes game putting since the 2014 Wells Fargo. So yeah, just worst putting day in about a decade. I think for what it's worth, he's been positive strokes game putting in every event since August. So kind of just a weird, I don't know, I chalk this up to kind of an event. He probably doesn't play

a ton of grasses. Some people doesn't play a ton. Grasses, you know, people, some people are weird on weird grasses. So I don't know, I don't think there's a huge cause for concern here. But it wasn't mucho not good. And literally what I was gonna say of like, I would if I was him, I'd probably just throw this out. He seemed to want to do the same thing. Like he didn't look as frustrated with his actual

putting is like, if you watch close up putts at Tory, like they don't roll straight like on that on that POA. And it's not it's not a tournament he chooses to play. He's kind of forced into playing Tory, I think he would just prefer to just not kind of play the play this golf course, for a variety of reasons. And I wouldn't would not be just one pebble. Like we're not I'm not going to freak out about a bad putting week for Roy. I would say Roy coming. Like that that's a bigger takeaway more for me

from the start of this year of like, this this feels like it's gonna be a massive year for Rory. Oh, put some put some details on that. Yeah, giraffe. Yeah, tell me. Feel like I've heard this a lot over the last several years. Let me let me come back on that. I'm curious if anything's different. I'll circle back on that big if you'll allow me.

I think yeah, I have to decide if I'm gonna pick for Rory to win a major this year or not. But I think he's gonna like that gap, you know, both like Scotty and Rory kind of going this way last year. I'm my guess is Rory, you know, some trending down from Scotty, which we're kind of already seeing of some sort off of like a historic season. And like Rory continuing to go upwards is what I'm expecting this year. Scottie category, but I'm going to continue solid. I'm sure your arms tired from sounding the alarm. So let me take a shift. JT's coming. Led the field this week in strokes gained approach. His kind of west coast swing second at AMX. Not a good week at Pebble. But then T6 at Phoenix and T9 this week at Torrey. Again, I'm probably a golf course that like shouldn't really fit him all that well. So we're getting into Florida. We're going back to Quail Hollow. I'm just going to say don't forget about JT.

We had a note in here, Spieth just grimacing in pain with the wrist en route to another miscut. I had some reporting on the ground, some, you know, some friendlies sending us some videos of some footage that was just not, it wasn't great. Spieth kind of shaking out the wrist and just not a good feeling. I hate that. I don't know if there was any questions or comments about that after, I haven't seen any quotes from him on what status is or not. I didn't see a transcript of any kind of quotes, but yeah, I don't know. Hopefully we hear more from him in the next couple weeks. I just want to shout out Andrew Novak. Played well both times that the tour went to Torrey Pines.

There was nobody that finished in the top 10 both weeks at Torrey, but he was third at the Farmers quite notably as he was third at the farmers quite, quite notably as as he was kind of narrating his shots coming down the stretch and backed it up with a T 13 this week against a very good field. So shout out to Andrew Novak. And then Sally, the pace of play was better this week. Yeah, I think it was first of all, just on the signature event, you know, kind of thought in this of I know I've been very pro signature event. I know there's been, first of all, just on the signature event, you know, kind of thought in this, I know I've been very pro signature event.

I know there's been a lot of people, very loud people on social media, upset about playing opportunities going away, upset about the lack of cut, upset about the end of the fringe of professional golf. I mean, we literally just got apples to apples comparison of two different tournaments at the same golf course, just a couple of weeks apart,

just completely different experiences. But in terms of pace, it was 5 1⁄2 hours for the final group to get through. At the Farmers, I think it was under 4 hours for Ludwig's group, or the final group to get through when they go twosomes off the first tee. You can go twosomes off the first tee when you have a smaller field. And when you have a smaller field at all, so they cut the first tee when you have a smaller field. And when you have a smaller field, it also they cut down to 54 players. Funny enough, 54 guys making the cut. But it's an everybody off the first tee, and everybody played in about four hours today. And it was more enjoyable to watch. It was great to see a lot of the top names altogether. All to say, like, I just think they need to double down on this kind of signature event model. They need to force everybody to play it. They need to come up with different graphics for it. They need live from there. They need to like actually elevate these events. But just to be able to compare it to a tournament at the same golf course just a few weeks ago, I don't know who was walking away from that. You know, not not wanting this, this model to be expanded would be my takeaway.

And at the very least, why not just like MDF the the fuck out of those other events? Right? Like the made cut didn't finish guys. Like what? Just cut it to 54 for Sunday. You're out of here, man. Yeah. No, maybe. Yeah, you're right. Maybe you would have shot 59 today. I guess we there all weekend just like, man, why am I like, I watch Tori every week or every year. Why am I enjoying this so much? I'm kind of twisting myself and not trying to come up with an answer. I mean, it's just the good players. This is all the good players are here. This is quite fun to have a center of gravity because then when you do have a, Denny McCarthy or Patrick Rogers or Davis Thompson on Saturday or whatever, like they're in context with the other guys, you know, it's not just like a whole leaderboard

of Davis Thompson, like, oh, there's Scotty and there's Denny McCarthy. And like, now it's kind of fun to watch both of them. And no offense to listen big, you know, no offense to anybody, but I've just, uh, I'm telling it like it is. Yeah. No, I don't disagree with you guys. I don't disagree. Uh producer Cody coming through with some clutch quotes here on on Spieth uh saying it's been a tough week on the wrist. I wasn't sure if I'd hit one more shot like my shot on 16 yesterday. I wasn't gonna finish the first round. I was okay to go today but this cold wet weather and third week in a row was not good for it. I said he tried to pace himself this week

and limit his practice, but the conditions took a toll and he was looking forward to a week of rest and rehabilitation. It beat up, it beat it up pretty good, but I'm hoping the next week laying off for five or six days and working on it with therapy, just inflammation. So hopefully it will go away and we'll end up being a good thing that I kind of pushed it. Thank you, Cody, for that clutch find. Just final notes on a couple guys. Denny McCarthy has quietly been the 12th best American

over the last 24 months. That is a massive sample size. That's crazy. Bad sign for American golf, and no offense. That's what I was just gonna say. God, that dunk feels with a question I forgot to ask about how how we look at selling for the Ryder Cup right now. I again, I'll say what I've said in the past, I've gloated about

hot starts from the American side in February, and got an egg on my face by the end of the year. So I would hold the horses on gloating too hard. But how we looking right now if we're playing the Ryder Cup right now? Not good. Not good at all. With yet another European win to start the year and just American golf kind of looking quite questionable at the moment because I'll ask you this question. Best Americans over the last 24 months. Where do you

think Russell Henley ranks on this list? I'm guessing. Oh, he gets pretty high because I'm bringing it up. Yeah, no, he's like seventh or something, right? Fifth. He's been the fifth best American over the last two years. That's just I think he's like ninth in the data golf rankings or something, right? Fifth. He's been the fifth best American over the last two years. I think he's like ninth in the data golf rankings or something, isn't he? Like I was just, I was weird that I was talking to my dad about that this week. Run us through the top 12 real quick. I could find that for you big.

That's not a problem. Sorry, I didn't know if you had it on hand. I mean, they have a great 2025 Ryder Cup page. They track all year long and it tracks, you know, a bunch of things about qualification and you can sort it by best players of the last three, six, 12 and 24 months. The top 12 goes Scottie Scheffler, Xander Schauffele, Colin Morikawa, Patrick Cantlay, Russell Henley, Bryson DeChambeau, Justin Thomas, Sam Burns, Tony Fenow, Wyndham Clark, Keegan Bradley and Denny McCarthy. Jordan Spieth would come in at 13, Brooks Koepka 14, Sahith Tagala at 15. I will say though, Sahith has been the 47th best American

over the last six months. It is not trending good in the right way. I just, a little self-awareness from the squad would go a long way. You took him over Sepp Straka. Like after Sepp, you took him. I remember specifically what I said. I said, just so that we have a nice night tonight, and we don't have a fight about this, I'll take him here. But you know I didn't mean that. You know I didn't mean that.

Come on. It's not good. We can save that for another day. So let's talk a little Torrey Pines because there's a lot of conversation around the golf course. Why don't you like the golf course? This was great and I don't know, you got a little something cooked up here.

We have this conversation every year, sometimes twice a year when they take the US Open there. Why don't you like it? Why don't you like it? You guys never explain why. We explain it every time, but like everybody always says, you never tell us why you don't like Tory just hate on it all the time. I'm gonna try to take a little bit of a different approach. Now, this is how live TV works. And

I'm not a person who does live TV. But I did a little Google Earth, a little I prepared a little video that I'm going to try to talk over live. If you're watching this live on YouTube, you're going to be able to see it. If you're listening in your car, you're not as well. But hopefully, I'll be able to make the points here. But Cody, if you're able to play the video that I screen grabbed from Google Earth, I'm going to try to walk you through just some examples of why Torrey is lacking in a lot of ways. So we're going to start here with just picking

a couple random holes here from Torrey Pines. And we're going to look at the second hole and the fifth hole, which run right next to each other and are essentially the same hole. So what you're gonna get at Torrey Pines over and over and over and over again is a relatively like straight hole with bunker on the right, bunker on the left. Like right in the landing area, it's just fairway bunkers. It ends up becoming, hey, hit it exactly right here,

right between these bunkers. That's just all you gotta think about when you grab driver and the rest is just all rough. It's just deep grass everywhere. There's not obstacles in your way. We're flipping over here to look at the long par 5, 9th, just a literal dead straight par 5 with fairway bunkers on both sides. There's one little cross bunker there, but the rest is just all rough. That's all the obstacles are. There's not every single hole near the green, the fairway just narrows up and there's deep bunkers around it and there's thick rough around the greens and each green is perched up a little bit.

That's all there is. If we go a little bit farther north and go and check out where this golf course is normally held, which is of course Riviera Country Club, an unfair comparison by any comparison, but if you go to this corner of the property, we're looking at the par four seventh hole. I'm not even picking the best of the river here, I'm just showing you examples of how that fairway bunker cuts into the landing area and makes you decide about,

hey, what's my shot shape gonna be on this tee shot? And it probably should be left to right to avoid balls rolling off into that area. What club am I gonna take? Am I gonna try to jam it up into that neck? Of course, going to the par four eighth hole, you got two different fairways to play, you know, deciding depending on where the pin is, what kind of angle you want to come into this green at looking at the 17th hole, a par five that looks somewhat similar to that ninth

that we were looking at. But there's contouring to this one. There's a bunch of different bunkers that are in your way. And there's light rough everywhere, which is what helps highlight the strategy and the contouring of the greens, right? Torrey could benefit greatly from having less thick rough, like a little bit of light rough. And if the greens were relatively soft this week, if it played a little bit more firm, and a little bit of light rough, you could, there would be chances to try to hit greens and you'd watch balls still go over it, and there'd be penalty for missing in

that rough, instead of just like the hack-it-out approach that we get that just isn't much strategy to it. Hey, advance up there as far as you can, try to get in the bunker, try to leave it in the spot that you can get up and down. There's just no decision-making to be made. It's just like, look at the aerials of that course. It's just all rough. There's just, and there's a direct path at all times, just through the fairway, and there's just no strategy to it. And that on repeat gets really, really, really boring to watch. Now look, 80 to 90% of the people that watch golf, like don't care about anything that I just laid out.

Right, you go to the players, like nobody is like, oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the on Bermuda, like nobody talks like that, right? So I'm a golf nerd, and I care about this stuff. I don't know where you guys met out on specifically, but that's that's just some examples of like, looking at aerials of Tori, if you can't understand like how little thought was put into designing this course and how it's just an execution test. I don't know how you can reach any other conclusion. Can't can't argue with any of that.

Preach it. Yeah, yeah. Can't argue a goddamn word of that. So I would say the the you touched on at the very end, but it does make it makes it very easy to watch golf and I don't even mean that condescendingly or pejoratively like that. That's kind of how I felt while I was watching it. I was you know trying to feed the kid a bottle. I'm trying to take the dogs out. I'm talking to my parents are over. And it does make it very easy to just be like, Oh, did he

hit it in the rough? Or did he hit in the fairway? Did he hit the green? Or did he not hit the green? And in a way, like when you're kind of one eye on one eye off, it does almost make it the execution tests, just make it very one or zero, you know, and it does make it very easy. Sometimes it's not, it's like pre apex. You could be like, Oh, that's left. Yeah. No need to watch this one.

It's in the rough. Like I know what it's going to do. That's going to bear. Like there's just no suspense. Like that's boring to watch. For sure. And the only holes where it is interesting is the holes like four 17 where, you know, you see Scotty or even

I think Ludwig had that today, right? On four when he hit it left and all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, there's a hazard over there. Holy smokes! Now what's he gonna do? That's the only times where you really kind of lean in a little closer to the screen and get interested in what's about to happen. An example, like 17 is an interesting example because they've redone that hole and it's one of the more interesting holes. Like the way they've brought that Branca

back into play. We'll flip the tournament today too, right? Was Mav not hitting, you know, Mav hitting driver putting it in a bad spot because he's trying to avoid that stuff on the left and you know, ends up making bogey and loses by one. He made par, right? He ended up screaming. Or he made the putt. He made the putt. But it could have. It's very hard.

No, but you stand on 17T, that does ask specific question. Are you gonna take on the risk of going down the hazard, down the left? Like I would give 17 credit and that's been a recent redo in recent years. I would like to see them put the course through that level of scrutiny of, how do we introduce some elements to this

that make it a little bit more interesting? Well said. Well, I'm sure we'll have that conversation again next year. But you guys can or maybe this year if they put another event there, who knows? Big before we before we close the book on the West Coast swing, you had a good idea here. Throw out a little a couple superlatives. What do you got cooked up for us?

Yeah, you know, I think we I think we need to commemorate this being the last West Coast. Well, it depends how you guys feel about Mexico. I don't count Mexico as West Coast So this is the traditional end of the West Coast and I thought hey Honestly big I don't even know if that's a PJ tour event at this point. It's really bleak really really tough Let's go through and West Coast swing only. I want your MVP, your LVP, I want your favorite moment, I want your least favorite moment, and then whatever the most important thing is that came out of this West Coast swing.

So producer Cody, I'm not sure if you want one of us to start or not, but that's what I was tasking all of you guys with. Yo, let's go Solly first, I'm excited. the team that I was tasking Alright, you gotta win. He. The main game. All right. He had a win. He could have won again at Pebble. He played some serious golf.

He was like, he did make a leap. Like, I think we were arguing about whether he was an upper tier player for whatever that meant. I still would fight that a little bit, other than to say, like, Sepp made a pretty big leap for me on this West Coast swing. Could it be a Taylor Montgomery situation and be completely forgotten about in too much? It could, but he changed my mind a little bit in this past week. So he's my West Coast MVP.

God, that's awesome. That's very big of you, man. I love hearing that. I'm curious if either of you went here with his next one as well. I absolutely hate to do it. I've never hated to do anything as bad as this. The LVP of the West Coast Swing was unfortunately our beautiful boy Max. It was just not quite working. He's going through some changes. I'm not writing him off in any way. It was just not competitive and not great for our guy.

I love what he's saying. I know it sounds stupid, people probably hearing it of like, dude, I'm hitting he's saying. I know it sounds stupid, but people are probably hearing it, of like, dude, I'm hitting it really great. P.J. Torgoff is very, very, very, very hard. You're working with different equipment, different fields out there. You can be feeling really good and still putting up massive numbers. And I'm confident it can turn around.

I really am, especially with how he's talking about things. But he was, unfortunately, for a stretch of golf he use the eats up that did not go very well for that. That's where I was at. So I, I not to, to put a pin in yours, but he was my, my LVP as well. And a lot of that is just because of the expectations of the West coast swing, man, like that's where he, that's where he feeds. He has made a ton of changes. Like you said, it kind of was one of those like, man, let's, let's use some comfy venues and some of your favorite tournaments to hopefully like get some some good vibes going and start running down the hill. And it was kind of it's kind

of the opposite, not kind of the opposite. It was definitely the opposite. And the thing that was going around this week that was kind of hard to ignore that we just need to to kind of read into the record is he's into the Masters. Based on his finish last year, he's into the PGA based on the fact that he was on the Ryder Cup team last year. He has to stay in the top 100 in the world in order for that exemption to be valid but I don't think that will be an issue but he is number 60 in the world right now which means

he is right on the bubble for the US Open. That locks on May 19th. They of course take the top 60 players. The Open Championship only takes the top 50 players in the world ranking, and that locks the third week of May. So our guy's not headed the right direction at the moment. Like you said, I know he's working on stuff and working very hard, and I'm sure he will get it turned around,

but we just, you know, we gotta call balls and strikes, Randy, you know? I love it he will get it turned around, but we just, you know, we got to call balls and strikes, Randy. You know, I love it. I love it. I had not even considered that he wouldn't be in the US Open. That's very interesting. My favorite moment of the West Coast swing was what Rory did on the 14th hole at Pebble. Like, it was really easy in the moment to bemoan all the technology of all of this. But I think if I had a chance to do that takeover, I still want there to be a world in golf where one guy, two guys, three guys can do something and be amazed by it. That's kind of the point. I think if everybody was hitting 14 and two and going over this corner and dropping seven

irons down the chimney, it would be a problem. But like Rory did that in route to winning at Pebble. Like that was a pretty frickin awesome moment. And I think if I had that one back, I would I would, you know, not focus on the technology that moment and just marvel at those two golf shots. So well said. My least favorite moment was the CBS intro today. I love my team at CBS. It was not their best day. They lost track of a lot of things

and they were late coming on, of course. And I'll Rise Up song, just showing slow-mo swings of golfers that was, I don't know if that was supposed to be something, they didn't really tie it back to the fire or like, you know, the inspiration that was this tournament. It just, I hit the slack and me as a goal. God, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. It was the cringiest possible way to have opened the show today.

That was my least favorite moment of West coast. Um, most important thing. Yeah. Most important thing. Rory looks really good. I think that's important. And he, uh, is playing really good golf. I know it didn't, I wrote that down before he had this kind of Sunday that he had, uh, but he is playing really good golf and that is noteworthy heading to Bay Hill and the players and to Augusta. Um, I'm feeling good about McRib. That's my spro.

All right. Can I jump in here? Yeah, we don't have to spend much time. My MVP I submitted, I voted too early. I had Mav, I believe, was my MVP. And I submitted that when I clearly thought he was going to win the tournament today. That will, will gloss past that. My LVP though. You know what? Still great. I think he would have been receiving votes still, even despite he didn't win today.

I think a heck of a nice West Coast swing for Mavs though. I was thinking about Sep, Rory for efficiency when in one of his two starts. Nobody really separated. I was hoping Mav would today. My LVP though, guys love this. My, I hate to do it to him, but my guy, Raphael compost got to give him my LVP. Why you might ask, well, that's a great question. I know exactly. This is so big of you. Can I tell you he played five West Coast events starting with the Century

where he finished 57th out of 58 finishers and then he proceeded to miss the cut at the Sony, the American Express, the Farmers and in Phoenix. So my guy had a tough, tough West Coast swing. I gotta say that wasn't on my radar big. That's why the golf world needs intrepid reporters like you. That's why the golf world needs intrepid reporters like you. God, he's at the airport on Monday morning listening to the pod. Fuck man. I'm an hour into my favorite pod. Big Ray just taking swipes at me. Well, I'm sorry, dog.

It was bad. Like about as bad as it can get. So I guess that's the good news. Can't get any worse. My favorite moment ties directly into Sully's most important thing, and that's the best I can get. So, I guess that's the good news. Can't get any worse. My favorite moment ties directly into Solly's most important

thing and that's Rory winning AT&T because it's gonna get everybody so fired up. This is the year Rory at Augusta is definitely winning and I cannot wait. I cannot wait. I've seen this movie before. It's one of my favorites. I happily await the next chapter dropping this April. Just re-released at IVAC coming in April. Exactly.

I love it. So that's my favorite. My least favorite moment was gosh, Cody, can you flash a graphic here? I'm kind of forgetting what my least favorite moment is. He blocked it out. He blocked it out. Yeah. Uh I can't. Well, I did. No graphic to light it for this one but I'll I'll read your notes for you. Missing RIV this year because of the fires was released. Of course. Of course.

Thank you. That's why I couldn't remember it because RIV is always literally my favorite thing about the West Coast swing. Obviously, I understand why it wasn't at RIV but just a bummer that we were uh you know, we get it once a year. We didn't get it this year. So, that's a big bummer and then my most important thing, I just I just wanted to kind of shine a light on you know, the Zander

injury and II just think it's important from a holistic golf sense that you know that he's hurt. We haven't seen him since century. It's a big question mark. It's a little up in the air. One of the best two players in the world. How things stand, especially come out of the West Coast swing. So just wanted to ID that.

Is he one of the best two players in the world right now with how Rory? Well, I guess coming out of last year, I don't know. That's the problem. the the the the the the the the the Listen, I went with MVP Patrick Mahomes, Scotty Jeffler. He played three events.

He put a wine glass through his hand and then he played three events, you know, T9, T25 and T3. So I just very impressed at him kind of picking up where he left off, threatening to win two different events and just, you know, it makes me very excited that I think we're gonna continue, like we said, with the Ludwig conversation. You never know how long the peak years are gonna last, and I think even if Scottie doesn't back up what he did last year,

he's still gonna be in the mix at a shitload of tournaments, which I think is good for golf. LVP, I already mentioned my case here, same as you, Solly, that purely based on expectations and kind of, you know, the time of year where you think our guy is going to really cash some checks and break some necks. Favorite moment? Solly, I originally wrote down the T-shot on 14. And I was like, that was up there, for sure. And it was something else actually that happened that week. And it was Tiger spiking his ball at TGL. After just throwing it on the ground as hard as he could. After, you know, this is of course like the same day where he's called for the shot clock violation. Jupiter links is trying to get off the Schneid.

They're the laughing stock of the league. And he just- Oh no they're not. He buries that putt and just fucking, the the the the the the the

the $40 on a terrible fanatic set. I did. Do I know why I don't? I'm just very committed to this program. God, it made me laugh so hard. Big T, to your point on Xander, I actually went so far as to say that was my least favorite moment of the west coast swing was like, ah, this sucks, man. Like I saw we did that pod about Scotty and Xander and putting their seasons into perspective last year. The guy won two majors. He's always been a guy that was like, Oh, I don't know, I just can't get into him. You know, I can't get into watching Xander. And then he finally has the year that everybody's asking for. And I got myself all hyped up to, to

watch him and we didn't get to watch him. And that that kind of sucked. So I I'm bummed about that. And I look forward to his return. My most important thing, I think you guys touched on great ones that I very much agree with. And I honestly don't think this is gonna age very well based on some of your complaints that have already been lodged.

But I think CBS just lifting and separating is the most important thing of the West Coast swing. Because they almost single-handedly, listen, not a spoiler here, but your boy has not been super pumped to watch golf over the last couple of years. And I was legitimately amped to watch the last three golf tournaments, four golf tournaments.

And a lot of that is because of CBS and them continually investing in the product, adding graphics, adding context, getting all of their talent getting better. Trevor, Nance, like just the whole thing is has been leveled up significantly. So while I agree with some of the criticism of today, I, I weirdly like truly man, as a golf fan that made my life much better over the last month or month and a half. I mean, look, this was a bad day for them. And look at like how we will talk about it. It's like, yeah, you've raised your

floor so much that it's not like we're having our 2020 freak out right now where we just have seizures on the pod about how many important shots you miss. They lost track of Ludwig. That was not good. The Tiger thing was clunky. You know, I lost track of them. Yeah, it was it was not a good day. They're trying they care. They'll shake off a tough day. They'll probably would say the same thing about the way

things flowed for them today. I'm sure Tiger didn't make it easy coming in the booth and you know, doing all that stuff and everything. But I'm with you. You're doing great, man. It was awesome. It's the most best part of the West Coast swing are the visual elements. And like getting you know, those those aerial shots, the tracers the way they've done that. I mean, it's complete air superiority over NBC. And I think NBC just might abandon their Air Force because the battle for the skies has been won.

Well, with that, I think the West Coast swing is closed. Randy, great idea. I appreciated thinking back. I don't know how else we're going to get a Rafa compost drive by into the show like that. So great idea. You know, my guy just won the Butterfield Bermuda last November. I was expecting big things. Just wasn't the swing. We want it.

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laying up and and a little more content with Doctor Sasha to come. I've got a little game improvement video that I've been working on for quite a while, so we'll have that coming. I don't know maybe sometime in the next couple of the next two weeks for sure. Maybe this week if things move quick, but we'll see. I also will shout out just receiving word in the text here that our guy Drew Pond hit 160 ball speed for the first time today. He's been stacking his face off so congrats to Drew. Guys should we go to the back nine? Can I grab a Nooner before we go to the back nine? Let's go.

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going to turn off the loop. Live corner Joaquin Neiman wins by three at the Grange with a bogey free 65. It is his third live golf win. Teammate Carlos Ortiz finishes T2, but Los Fireballs are the team winner over Legion 13. Anything to kind of add on the X's and O's, birdies and bogeys of live golf Adelaide? What's, I mean, what, if you're Mido Pereira and Sebastian Munoz, what are you doing tonight?

Like what happens when those guys got back to the team room, you know, when Neiman and Ortiz, what the fuck, guys? We're one, two, and we finished third this week? That's, that is tough. Joaquin continues, you know, continues to play very, very good golf on Liv. Can I throw a little quiz at you guys? Love quizzes.

I will say, I found this very interesting considering how the last five years have gone, but Liv's made it very hard to find earnings on their website, which is kind of funny. It used to be just kind of plastered all over how much these guys were making and they seemed to have kind of done a little redesign of just like, oh, maybe we make those a little harder to find. But I did my best and I tracked it down. Let's do a Joaquin PJ Tour earnings versus Live Golf earnings. And this is inclusive of

bonuses, FedEx Cup money, team bonuses, individual champion stuff, all of that. I'll give you a little context. On the PGA Tour, he made 124 starts with two wins, and on Live Golf, he has made 28 starts with three wins. So feel free to guess whichever you like. like? PGA Tour, did he get to, I'm thinking just short of like 8 million? Oh, more than that. I would say 22 million on the PGA Tour, 38 million on live with this win. 15 and a half million on the PGA Tour. With this win, he moves to $44.1 million on live golf in 28 starts. $17 billion. Just all the money, man. Just all the money.

We'll get to some of this, but that is more than the revenue in 2023 for LiveGolf UK, for all of the live events outside of the US. Joaquin Nieman has made more money than they made in that one year. They made 37 million in that report. But something seems off with all that, Dej. I can't put my finger on what it is, but something seems off there.

It's just, it's, it's again, lobotomizing yourself and taking yourself out of the last five years. Hard to argue. I don't think his financial advisor would say that he made the wrong move. A lot of, a lot of dough, a lot of dough. But yeah, that was, that was quite a stark difference that I saw as far as live golf Adelaide goes. I feel like maybe we've had this conversation kind of year after year. Looks like an unbelievable event. The city of Adelaide completely shows out. I

saw it on my Instagram bunch of friends, you know, that we've met down in Australia, going over there having a great time. It looks like an unbelievable event to attend in person. Wish everybody all the best. It seems like something the people of Adelaide really, really dig a very golf starved plate like part of the world. And so happy for them to have an event like this. Doesn't seem like the rest of Australia was super into watching it. necessarily ratings were, you know, we got kind of notes all

over the place here, but ratings weren't excellent kind of across the rest of Australia, but anything else, you know, you guys would add as far as kind of the, see this is the model for the future of professional sports, things of that nature. Yeah, I think I had, I saw this reported in a tweet by Gino Rubico. It was the 26th most watched program on Saturday, 170,000 viewers in Australia on that Saturday for ranking behind some, like basically, I don't know what the project is, but it's behind that. All that to say, like, they do an incredible job

with the in-person experience and it's behind that. All that to say, like, it is, they do an incredible job with the in person experience. And it's, it's a good, it's not a great golf course, but it's a great style of play. Like I enjoy flipping it on. I tried to, tried to watch it late last night, found out it was on tape delay here in the United States after being told that the Fox deal was going to be such a game changing move. And I believe 54,000 people watched it or some some I don't remember what this amount was, but a very small amount of people were watching it

on FS2 as well. All this to say again, something is very off here. They also announced an extension with Adelaide through 2031 with the building of a new Greg Norman golf course in Adelaide, which I'm sure will be, Scott O'Neill called it one of the great public golf courses in the world. Hasn't like been designed yet, which is, which is, you know, interesting to note, but it's hard, it's like hard to flip that on. Like you see all those people having fun

and say like, this is a terrible thing. Like I think Live Adelaide is additive to the golf environment. I think it is unique enough that it's like, hey, that's different. It's not what the rest of live is like. So is it worth upsetting the apple cart of professional golf for this one event? The people of Adelaide would certainly say so. Myself being about as far away from Adelaide as I can possibly be, I would tend to disagree.

Most of the American viewing public would also tend to disagree as they viewed it as not worth watching. I did walk away like, man, if we are really working towards something getting back together, if it's as close as it sounds, again, if you listen to Live, they're announcing extensions through 2031, well, Monahan and Tiger would be like,

yeah, we're really close, we're close to getting the world reunified, yeah. There's a world where, and I hope somebody clips this and puts this on Yasser's desk, honestly. Like there is a world where you guys can pour gasoline on something and make it really additive to the golf world. You got to, Liv's got to go away. It's got to, it's done.

Like it's clearly a failure on every level. Like why not take this money that you're lighting on fire when you get involved with the SSG or whatever and pour it into the Australian Open, make it a signature event on the PGA Tour schedule, make it $30 million purse, save the money you put in live and just the tour can help subsidize some of that, make it like a great golf event for a country

that deserves a great event. Like there's a way to overlap this Venn diagram of like this country wants golf very clearly, will show up for it, create an awesome environment. They have world-class golf courses. It's far for a lot of the guys to travel. They don't want to do it. There's a lot of reasons not to. But if you put up a $30 million purse, put up a lot of FedEx cut points, those guys are going to be there. That looks like reconciliation to me. Call it the PIF Australian Open for all I care. I don't care. Have your wins, but let's start putting this towards something that's additive

to the golf world as a whole. And then you can start picturing a world where this all makes sense. But also extending through 2031, I'm as confused as ever about where this is actually going. I'm sure there's all kinds of opt-outs for stuff like that as well, right? If, you know.

They can just not pay. It's not. Well, just, yeah. Or if Liv changes or goes, it means there's no different than like the, you know, the PJ Tours TV contracts having like the world ranking opt-outs, you know, where it's like, listen, if something materially changes,

I'm sure that is not an ironclad, we have to host an event even if there's no league sort of situation. But I think what the biggest disconnect to me on a lot of this stuff, and I agree with everything you just said about pouring gas on Australian golf and making sure that the people who are propping up the best, what is very clearly the best event on live should be rewarded for doing so. And if you're going to try to have some compromise in all of

this, like, God, those seem like the people to reward or the people who are actually showing out for this thing. But I think what is really hard to argue with with any kind of straight face is just like, I know it's a fun time in person and I know you're getting all kinds of people through there and everything, but that is not the future of Pros not the product Like the product is not ticket sales and beer sales and that's how you go play

You know pay walk o'neam and 44 million dollars over two seasons like that. That's not how it works. It has to come from They have that right right? Yeah. They have that like hidden giggles. Like it's not, that doesn't make it special. And it, you know, by any measurement, the live product is a complete and total failure. Like Bryson can get millions of views on his YouTube channel and is one of the most interesting and marketable guys. And they can't draw a hundred, they drew 114,000 viewers at their biggest,

their best event. Like it's a complete and total failure. And like I know the standard message that you read from the bots is like, it's not about the US ratings, it's about the US. It's the reason why they host the most events in the US, it's about the US. Like Saudis, for well documented reasons,

like want to have relationships with corporate America where a lot of dollars are are are are spent and they want that open relationship with American corporations or else they'd stand up another event in Australia but they don't do that why because what they're telling you as their goal is not their goal and that's why the product is looks the way that it does the other 13 events uh and they're not doubling down on this in terms of really capturing that market, just doesn't really actually matter. Big, anything to add? No, I think you guys kind of touched on

what I was gonna say in that, to me it feels like the Live Adelaide event is more just like a great party. You know, it reminds me of how people used to describe Cubs games and like center field just being like one of the best bars in the world and there happens to be a Baseball game going on like I guess that's my sense from afar on live Adelaide is like hey, man It's summer down there like let's go have a freaking party get drunk watch a few golf shots

but I don't solid to your point with like the TV ratings and like I don't think the product the golf is driving any of this. To me, it's just like, yeah, it's a great party and I'm sure it's fun and have your beers, but I don't know how you... I don't know at the end of the day, what is that? Well, I think this is where we get into maybe the next bullet point, which is there was a write up from I believe it was the Money in Sport newsletter and kind of repackaged by Adam Schupack at Golf Week, pulling some of the bullet points, just looking at basically some of the financial filings from it's it's Live Golf UK.

So it's basically all of the live operations outside of the US. And they were going through the 2023 season. So this is a little bit old, you know, doesn't take into account last year, but still it's kind of their second year of operation. And it basically surmised that the PIF's total investment into live could approach $5 billion by the end of 2025. And my point is, do you know how many fucking beers you have to sell to make back five billion dollars? Like that's not the product, man. That's just, that's not what it is. Like there was a note in there that their broadcast rights income for the whole year was three million dollars.

Again, it's not apples to apples, but the PJ tour is what, almost $800 million a year, something like that. It's like, we're just operating on like orders of magnitude of irrationality here. Way too comfortable just saying the billion, the B word there. Five billion, that's 5,000 million. That's such an absurd amount of money to spend on not even the best golfers. Like it's, it's a few of the best, but it's not all the best despite some quotes we'll get through here in a little bit.

Like it's absolutely absurd that this has gone on as long as it has. Yeah. So, well, no, I was just going to pull out, you know, again, like you said, Deidre, this is from 2023, but LiveGolf outside of the US is operating, had an operating loss of $394 million. And it just, I don't know, it makes me almost upset the more I think about this, because like, I'm not even like, I'm past like the live whatever like it's cool. But when we start talking about the PIF, you know, investing into the PGA tour and where you can go with the like, I see a bunch of people.

Like, I don't see the roadmap to making golf this hugely profitable global thing, pro golf. And it just kills me that we're going to spend so much money and resources like trying to prop up the professional game. And at the end of it, it's like, it's going to be a fucking disaster. I don't like where else are we going with this? Yeah, you know, these guys love golf, you know, for 5

billion dollars, you you could you could make golf clubs and hand them out the world over to kid. Like, what is the goal if you love golf, right? Is is it the Augusta membership? Like, give our guy an Augusta membership and let's be done with it. But if it was just true, like, oh my God, this guy loves golf.

Like with $5 billion, you could do so much more good for the game of golf. And I guess ultimately I just get back to like, God, this seems like a Titanic waste of fucking money, energy, time, resources. And we've had to talk about for four years now and it kind of pisses me off too. It's, I'm sorry we're repetitive on it, but like it hasn't evolved past this part of the conversation in four years. And I was just looking this up as of December, 2023,

I'm sure it's grown since then, but the public investment fund had assets of 976 billion. So if they've spent five billion, that's like almost a half of the money into this year. Yeah. Almost a half a percent of the total assets on like a non-functioning golf league. I know that half percent doesn't sound, that's so much of the fund.

I know it's still a drop in the, I got drop in the bucket, but I cannot describe how small of a part of a portfolio expenditure on golf, a golf league should be amongst all their investments. Like, that looks like a lot to me of that actual fund. And I'm like, Jason, Jason, coke racks, and Brendan steel, Charles Howell, the third, Harold Varner, you know, mean Dean Bermester, who else? It's just Lucas Herbert, just a lot of these planned. Well, planned. He's earned every, every penny of what he's

gotten. But it's anyways, I don't know. We're playing the hits here. Well, for comparison, when you said the 5 billion, I was like, what's the market cap right now of a Kushnet? Shout out Titleist. And that's like $4.1 billion. Like they could have they could have bought a Kushnet. I'm sure they could have had a bigger influence on golf in some manner. I don't know. It just like, oh my god, it just seems like we're just setting money on fire. the How are we going to make golf on TV interesting? You don't understand. The game's about to come back together. Like, yeah, no, we already have the WGCs. I don't know what else. It wasn't that great when it was all together, but that's the very middle of the game. I'm not sure the kids gave a fuck.

Yeah. You guys realize this is like a niche, niche sport, right? I'm just not sure what the expectation is. Guys, let's move to hole number 11. And this is going to be our first before we get on that, just the final the quote from Scott, CEO Scott O'Neill on the broadcast today said, you don't have to look too far past our leaderboard to know that

outside the majors, if you want to see the best players in the world, there's only one place to see it. And that's it live. I just want to I want to say thank you to Mr. O'Neill for this one. I was worried like we were going to get a drop off of ridiculous CEO quotes after Norman left. His statements after they gave the US exemption were way too professional and corporate and they're dull and I need more out of the Live CEO. So I want to thank Mr. O'Neill for the leading dumbest statement of 2025 so far in golf because I mean, like, it's just fucking like, I, what are we supposed to do with this? Are we supposed to ignore it? Like, are we supposed to not like point out the incredible

obviousness with it? Like, it's just been four years of the dumbest shit on repeat, that I honestly don't know what we're supposed to do. I think the answer is probably ignore it. But it's really, really hard to do. Yeah. It's kind of turned into a pretty big cool man at this point, right? Like, oh yeah, for sure, man. You guys definitely have all the best players. That's cool, man.

People seem super into it. Yeah. I think keep doing what you're doing. It's been great. All right. Well, sorry. Last thing from a strategic standpoint, like seeing these numbers,

the thing that's always been in the back of my mind is, it's, if you're the PGA Tour, doesn't it seem like you could wait, live out a few more years? Like, I'm not sure what, I haven't been able to close the circle on why the PGA Tour specifically is so seemingly in a rush to reunify.

I think that's part of what has dragged a little bit of this out, right? Because I think that's what, it's weird. Like you can't, I don't know, I'm speculating here, but if you're the Tour, you can't go up in front of fans every week and be like, we don't care if it comes back together or not. Even though that might be how you kind of feel behind the scenes based on the way some of the players have gone out and you know, the bed that they're going to find themselves in, especially when you look at like Shipnuck was I think on with Dan Rappaport this

week talking about how, you know, all these, a lot of these like initial live contracts for four years and are probably going to expire. Right. And so it's like, so what are they going to resign Phil and Dustin Johnson and bubble Watson and Lee Westwood and Ian Poulter and what are we talking about? Or are all those people just going to suddenly like kind of like, all right, well it's time to kind of leave this party. I think the lights are coming on. I think that's your question though, Randy kinda like, all right, well, it's time to leave this party. I think the lights are coming on. I think that's your question though, Randy is like, does the tour want another open round of of free crack giveaways because

they've lost that battle when it's come to that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I'm sitting there and the competitors just literally hemorrhaging money and I know they have a lot of money but it just seems like nothing about anything seems sustainable. Yeah. I think you're onto something for sure. I was talking to a player representative

of somebody on live and I'm not positive. Like all the deals are up at the end of this year. He made it sound like at least a few of the big names are not up at the end of this year specifically. Which again, we've said this a million times, but it bears repeating. If you're going to be a zagging league and you're going to treat it more like other sports, and you're going to make good on all these sales pitches you're making, it's kind of nice to know what Juan Soto's getting paid and for how long he's gonna be on the Mets.

Right, that makes it a lot more interesting rather than like, yeah, we just don't talk about that and I guess these guys will just be around until they're not. Like I was gonna make a joke about Jason Koukrak earlier, I'm like, I don't even know if he's on the fucking league or not, like is he playing golf? What is he, I don't even know what he does. You fucking league or not. Like, is he playing golf? What is he? I don't even know what he does. The GM of the high flyers is tweeting more about Doge than he is the status of this franchise that he invested his entire life into.

Yeah, that's interesting considering the efficiency of maybe the business that he's working for. But the, let's dive into hole number 11. That was a lengthy, lengthy opening there, guys. No, no, no, it's good. Alright, so this is... That was the spear, the long par 5. That par 5 that goes across state lines, wherever that is. What is it? Myrtle Beach. I've played that course. Grand. I'm gonna look that up. Sorry, it's a swivel. We missed that one, Dej. We missed that one. Par six. All right, so this is hole number 11. There's gonna be three holes here that were from TC. I woke up this morning, as I mentioned, eight o'clock, just to just hundreds and hundreds of words of notes

that he wanted read into the record. Don't clip any of this as my own thoughts. This is TC's, I'm reading TC's thoughts here. This is not my thoughts. Quote, live Adelaide is clearly demonstrating there's an underserved demand for pro golf outside of Melbourne and Sydney and also the Australian TV rating show

that is clearly not capturing the hearts and minds of Australian golfers. If only there was a proud national open that could move around the country and already whores itself out to various state governments that subsidize hosting it. It took a year or two too long to realize that the co-ed format didn't work. He's of course talking about the Australian Open here. That the co-ed format didn't work and that the compromises made

did just that, compromise the integrity of a national open, all caps. It's a nice progressive idea for another event, not the Australian Open. James Sutherland needs to be terminated and Golf Australia needs to clean house, get some competent people in place and get them to the table with creative solutions and proposals. Take advantage of this chaos and disruption. I'm tired of hearing about the commercial sponsorship market in Australia and how it stinks. AO Tennis and F1 and AFL seem to be doing just fine. All caps, figure it out or get piffed to underpin something and do it with taste and tact what a worthwhile investment that would be instead we get the bet the worst of both worlds

shifting gears Blandy solo fit and the creative slash colorful Spanish speakers played well on a course demanding it surely a tribute to Salih's guys Seve. He continues. Moran finished minus six in his last five holes and went from 37th to 12th over a five hole span. LOL. Pitiful week for the cliques overall, though they do seem to have a new social media person who loves replying to my comments on Insta. Keterup seems to be out of his depth. We'll pause there. We'll come back. That's section one from TC. He continues fast and furious after that. I love when TC takes your information, like clearly come from someone else that's really

worked up about the governmental leaders in Australia and it just becomes like his personality. Guys, I got like devastating potential news about that par five, that par six in Myrtle Beach. I think that course closed. Daniel. Looks like, I know. I hate that, man. I feel like there might've been one of those

in Iowa or something too, but I have to double check that. Randy, take us a whole number 12. They could have saved that if they wanted to. Exactly, man, you got five Billy later. I'll just save this as this historic par six. the Winning the women's Saudi this weekend. Uh, guys, the, the reason I wanted to is if you've listened to the LPGA episodes at all, we are, and when I say we, Cody and I very, very bullish on Gino Titicum in 2025 after her four shot victory this weekend, she was quoted as saying, to be honest, I didn't think I'd be able to win

my first event of the year at all. Because after a long off-season without playing tournaments, you need to adjust a little bit on the course. But winning here is a huge advantage. We can take this form and carry on the good things that happened here. More than anything, I think my team will be proud because we've worked really hard in the off-season,

always trying to get better. Having a win here means we're moving in the right direction. And if we're moving in the offseason, always trying to get better. Having a win here means we're moving in the right direction. And if we're moving in the right direction, I'm just going to put the entire women's golf world on notice because I want to read, Attai or Geno Titicombe now, her last seven starts to finish 2024, was a tie for fourth, a solo second, a tie for seventh, a tie for fifth, a tie for eighth, a solo second, and a win. And so she starts out 20, 25 with a win. She will turn 22 later this week.

And just to give you a little comparison, last year on the LPGA Tour, she actually led in total strokes gained better than Nelly. She was at plus 2.4 per round, according to the KPMG performance insights for comparison, Scotty Scheffler last year was at plus 2.496. So I just want to mark this flag, this, you know, replay this take in November. I think Gino Titicum is saw you said Rory's coming. I think Gino's coming.

I think it could be an absolutely monster year. I think she is just primed to win and win a lot. And they go to Thailand this week on the LPGA Tour. So she's going to be looking to do what Patty Tabatani did last year, which was go back to back at the Saudi and the LPGA Thailand. So give me something that I can put in the NLU record for Gino for this year, Randy. I need, I need it. I need to take on it. Well, and she's coming on all this, blah, blah, blah.

I think she definitely wins a major. She's going to win major. And I'd say at least five worldwide wins. Wow. Five. What does she what does she do? Well, she's incredibly balanced, right? I remember talking about it as almost kind of like a Xander, a Xander comp of just being someone who kind of does a little bit of everything. And it's not like she's got just dominant length or, you know, as a dominant putter or anything like that, it feels like she's kind of solid all the way through, right? Solid all the way through with like

exceptional, like her putting has been unbelievable, really good short game, and a really good ball striker, just like complete, complete player. So Nelly last year was at plus 2.37 strokes gained total per round. Attiah was 2.4. So like, I honestly think the way Nelly like found her putting last year, like they're pretty similar players. Nelly won seven times in a major.

Attiah started the year injured and did not have as many starts last year as Nellie. But I think that's like, that's, those are the two women, man, in women's golf that I think they could have an epic showdown of a year this year. Hopeful, fingers crossed. Moving on, TC heads back stateside here. The, again, this was first thing this morning. Quote, Ludwig is back. His driving stats were back to his usual self this week. Big numbers on a soggy course.

Need the putter to heat up next. Buckle up. He's gonna feed on the slow and soft TGL setups during Monday's triple header. It is definitely gonna win Bay Hill, possibly Sawgrass. The Jupe links versus NYGC Has the potential to be painful, especially if Tiger isn't in the mood someone keep YTK It's young Tom Kim away from him

Also, why TK's group was over a hole behind at several points this week all caps again in other TGL news We've got team Rose versus William Ho and Fleetwood versus Pat. The hammer can't lay. It's singles. These matchups are met across the other four games. I also need Solly analyzing the implications of the modified hammer rule. We're going to get to that. And I'd like to commend the TGL folks for changing it on the fly. If only they could do so with their launch monitor technology as well.

Tommy is clearly trending. I'll be monitoring today, just not watching. Big Tone is using the Genesis to prep for a duel with Los Hoyguards at the Mexico Open, which is a fake national open. Was a real national open when it was on PJ Tour Latino America and the nationwide tour and the likes of Justin Huber, Alvaro Ortiz and Ted Purdy were past champions. Getting this thing moving back around the country is essential. Stop. the full swing screeds. The screed is such a good word. That's a that's a really good word for it. Alright, next hole full swing season three trailer came out this week includes Bryson, but according to sports business journals, Josh

Carpenter, it sounds like Bryson declined to actually sit down for interviews. It's just going to be kind of probably just kind of footage from either outside the ropes or kind of nearby rather than full participation. We can keep it tight, but what's the excitement level for season three? I think I previously voiced that I wasn't very excited about it.

Seeing the trailer and all that, it's kind of like, ah, you forget they do have audio and clips and video of stuff we've never seen. There is a fair amount of stuff in there that I don't know. I don't necessarily want to get into the details of Rory's divorce, but they may have some stuff there that we've not heard on the topic, because that's what they alluded to, at least in the trailer.

It's like, ah, OK, that's kind of behind the scenes related stuff that we don't get every week. And the President's Cup stuff actually looked pretty cool and I was kind of a dud of a President's Cup, but I think more excited for it than I previously expressed was where I was at. I did just highlight that Bryson thing of like, all this renaissance he's had,

a personality and all this, and still refusing to sit down for you know for Netflix Bryson's Bryson's willing to go out there for put himself out there when he can control the narrative but you know doesn't want to do it with Netflix is just kind of it's I roll my eyes at that but that's kind of any anything will come directly from me and my team sort of classic but big anything to add on the on the Netflix side of things no I was gonna throw it to you What anything for you to add? No, I'll co-sign what Sally said.

I feel like it's kind of part of doing the job at this point. You know, there might be some some nuggets here that kind of either turn into just memes while you're while you're watching golf or things that just kind of add they kind of become part of the golf watching consciousness. You know, so it's consciousness. I feel like a necessary part of the furniture at this point. But I am sure I will watch it at some point. I don't know that I'm going to be firing up the screeners as fast as possible as we've done in years past. But I think we're looking forward to it.

Tron mentioned this. Moving on. I believe this is whole number fifteen. The hammer rules have changed on TGL. Big. I know this was a this was a huge one for you. Uh you're a lifelong TGL guy. Uh just I this is tough because I literally just learned the rules a couple

weeks ago when we were out in Pebble. You guys are explaining everything to me. So now I gotta relearn this stuff. Uh can't lay basically was, you know, I think he kind of, you know, depends the hammer rules by just pointing out like, this is very stupid and cannot help us at all, if we were to throw it. So a lot of these, you know, these things are turning a lopsided events, one team, whoever's winning gets the

hammer, and then they just don't throw it because why would you so what they're doing now instead is each team starts to match with three hammers? And you can you know you can throw one hammer per hole but teams can throw it at the same hole I'm sure they're gonna explain it during the the triple header That's coming. So that's probably about all the time that we need to spend. I believe there's four matches this week big So make sure that DVR has got got some space to it big so make sure that DVR has got some space to it. Six hours of TGL golf tomorrow or today if you're listening to this in your car on Monday

on Presidents Day. I just feel like that might be too many. I disagree. Coming off a stiggy event. Oh, it feels like more than I'm asking for. But yeah, we shall see. So you're gonna be glued to it? You've locked in for all three? I mean, but we shall see. Sal, you gonna be glued to it? You locked in for all three?

I mean, holiday means no school. Like, I don't know what, I doubt I will be. I'll have it on the background, but I can very much see myself being quite distracted tomorrow with sickness going through my household. But Tuesday, when my squad is up, you know I'll be there at New York in in Jupiter, but that's gonna have huge playoff implications. We can sneak by New York, we need a win over, you know, the

bottom feeders there that's gonna help us lock in that foreseed. Jupiter at New York in Jupiter. I I'm committed. I legitimately am rooting hard for T for Jupe Lakes. I'm surprised at how fast I've gotten behind a team here. Congratulations. But it's all a joke, right? Like that's like, kind of. I just need some reassurances from you guys. Like we're all like, it's a joke like mostly yeah but I really I really I want him to win come on let's go alright 16th hole the end of TC's screed other things I was monitoring this week two new board members of the PGA tour Monahan still can't find a competent Taylor in Ponte Vedra his casual office hours hit with

media at Tory looked and sounded painful. Lots more Intel coming in about Alex Smalley's overbearing mother, AKA the momager. Stories are wild. Stay tuned. Wanted to shout out James Colgan's piece on Dottie once more. It was excellent. Dottie rules has that dog in her driving across the country to Tory because she can't fly right now post knee replacement and then gutting it all out and walking the course immense respect. I really like this one. Sebastian Grow, the guy that you may have remembered shot. I believe it was 8060 on the, was it the Alps Tour or the former Challenge Tour? Hotel Planner Tour.

Hotel Planner Tour. Apparently big NLU pod listener and reached out to thank us for shouting out his round one and round two splits last week He said his goal for the weekend was to shoot 70 70. I think he would 75 75 and Lastly, it's magical Kenya open week Hark all caps and the entry list has some fun wrinkles the pastor Troy Barrett and mr Hat aka Brandon Wu are making the trip over on account of their 126 to 150 FedEx Cup category. Now that's what I call a strategic alliance. It's a really fun week to gamble on golf

between this and Mexico. I'm gonna be in a gambling legal state. All sorts of value flyers, parentheses, I may squirrel away some on Eddie Pep. That's what TC had for us. So on a day where, it's like that every day, by the way, it's Slack. I would just, you know, it's, it's one of the great joys of my life. And, uh, on a day where Ludwig gets a victory, I feel like we can, you know,

give him his flowers and let him have the stage. Uh, hole number 17, he, he referenced this. I thought this was a nice, a nice pairing. Uh, so did you catch any of, of big J's comments out at Torrey Pines? And if so, what do you think? I did. I read what DC sent over of the comments. Again, I'm balancing my distrust with basically everyone involved in the process, also with

their insistence that something's about to happen or that things are turning in the right direction, they're going to reunify. Tiger was in the booth as well said the same thing. He and Jim Nance were basically like, yeah, it could be really soon. I go like they're in something there. Yeah, like they knew something was happening. It's harder to have more egg on their face throughout this whole process. But the amount of egg I would put on their face if they don't reunify this golf world and get everyone back together is gonna be even more massive with how confident they seem and everything trending in the right direction and getting reunified and all that. It was funny that he

spent a thousand words on, you know, obviously talking about some of the journalists that have passed in the last couple years, but it just reads very funny in terms of like, hey, kind of waiting for you to speak on some of these items and he wasn't asked about it and veering away from the serious questions into, not that it's not a serious topic to talk about, Steve DiMeglio and Jeff Babineau who passed recently,

but it just was- Well, it wasn't just that. That was like one throwaway comment, but then it was just like, hey guys, real quick, before you ask me any questions, I've got a whole agenda of things that I'm just going to say at you that nobody's asking for. Totally. And that's like, that's not like media availability, man. Like, come on.

And all the questions that were asked, and again, maybe this is just, he's in a no win situation because he can't talk about certain stuff. But just like the whole thing is thousands and thousands of words. And I read the whole thing and there's just, I mean, truly nothing in it. Right. And it's just everything is like, do you have a vision for pro golf? Yes. Can't talk about it. Can you tell us about the meeting? It was good. Can't really talk about it. When can we expect something soon? Can't really talk about it. And it's just like, I don't know, I guess I get why the PGA Tour is trying to put him out there and, you know, rope-a-dope people into thinking that he's like available or open or transparent. But it's like, again, we're just kind

of sitting on your hands waiting for any information to come out. But yeah, just a weird, a weird. It's the most incredible thing that he's still the commissioner. I don't want to lose sight of that. I know I'm not on this podcast all the time, but that Jay Monahan is still employed as the PGA Tour Commissioner after all of this. Every day I wake up and I'm like, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. And they're hiring a new CEO. No, can't give you any info on it, but it is happening. Can I just float this? I don't know if it's been publicly talked about. Again, I'm more out of the loop than I usually am on rumors and news and all that stuff, but especially after we interviewed him. Last week it was, Dej.

What about Mike Wan for CEO of PG and TOR Enterprises? I had multiple people text me about that. Yeah. I don't know. Would you rather have him there at the USGA? No, I'd rather have him at the USGA. Yeah, I, I, I, I don't know. Would you rather have them there at the USDA? Yeah. I don't take them from the USDA. Well, cause I think the USDA needs like a leader who is competent and can message a lot of complex issues. And you know, I, I think the USDA,

this is how, I don't know, there's a much, much, much larger, longer conversation. But like, I think this is kind of how golf got fucked up in the first place was like the USGA is supposed to be a bigger deal than the PGA Tour. That's how like golf is supposed to work. The governing body of the sport for everybody is supposed to be a much bigger voice than the person who is in charge of how much fucking FedEx bonus money Patrick Rogers gets like that's where golf. I don't want to say every bad thing comes from the pro game, but like a lot of bad things come from the pro game leading the way

instead of the recreational game. And I think having Mike one running the recreational game with ties to the pro game through the majors and, you know, whatever, is just a better thing than I don't know. I just maybe I'm just so sick of pro golf that I'm like, you guys deserve, you guys kind of deserve, I guess, but it's like, I don't know, man. I don't know how you put all the toothpaste back in the tube where it's like part of me is like you guys deserve the clown show that you've... Yeah, if we're gonna run one thing well, let it be like golf, lowercase golf. Yeah. I'm kind of like, well, if Juan gets

the rollback push through like he already has and then takes over CEO of PGA Tour Enterprises, PGA Tour said they're not going to implement the rollback. Man, Juan's going to green light that thing to come through if that becomes, I don't know. I think we just invested more week to week with PGA Tour Golf than we are USGA Golf. That's where I'm kind of at of helping drive the interest of that league is a good thing for a lot of golf fans. I know not everybody needs pro golf, but it's the one thing we do kind of center around and I'll talk about and gather around to talk about Bryson doing this and all that back when everything was together.

Like it, it has become unimportant, but it doesn't mean it was always unimportant week to week. And I would like to see it returned to being more important. No, but I think it's outsized as far as the, it's role in people's golfing life. You know, cause it, I think it used to be like, man, I would watch the back nine on Sunday. And that is, that's my relationship to pro golf. And now it's just, you can't get the rollback push through

because of how much influence pro golf has and pro golfers and all of it. That's more what I mean is like, that seems like a disaster to me, is how much the tail seems to be wagging the dog for you know 30 million golfers in the United States or whatever but six hours of TGL tomorrow yeah yeah that's and a match to it couldn't have said it better myself big alright guys the last hole 18th hole is

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I think that's what we're gonna get into next. So I'll just pose it with a simple, how we looking, man? What, what, what, what, what, where are we at? We're home. We're home this weekend because we did not make it to the weekend. You know, it was an interesting thought process coming into this year. I believe I've mentioned it in the past, but my wife and I welcomed twins about three months ago into our lives that gives us three kids under one and a half. It's been an intense couple of months.

It was just, this tournament date was just so right on the line of like, I mean, if it was like a month earlier, it would have been an easy no. Like there's just no way I could do it. It was kind of like, all right, we're starting to get into routine. Could you maybe do it? And it's still, it didn't sneak up on me, but like had one little, you know, pebble week and then a little back injury thing happened. It was like a week before and I was like, dude, you haven't played any golf again, played at all. Like, how are you going to go compete with like the best midams in the country?

And I did all I could to cram for the exam in the course of a week. And man, I was in a decent place going into it. Got a couple practice rounds in down there. And I started off quite poorly, three putted the very first hole in an embarrassing fashion. Three putted, I hit like the first nine greens and I was two over par. And then like birdie the 10th hole, birdie the

11th hole. Make par on the 12th hole, one of the hardest holes and like I was even par and you know, made a couple bogeys and I'm two over par with three holes to play in the opening round. Like dude, I'm so glad I came and played in this. Like I just got thrown the competitive environment. I found it. We got this. I'm going to be like, you know, right on that cuttish line after round one, we're gonna have something to follow in round two. Fluky bad shot, but lost the ball on my second to last hole. I played

the last three holes plus five, put me completely behind the eight ball going into round two, and proceeded in round two to like, like debase myself in a way that I didn't know I was capable of. I, I shot the highest round of competitive golf I've ever played. I felt completely listless out there. I got totally exposed in a way that I didn't even know was possible. In the court, like in the, I'll give myself a little credit and like I found a low bullet draw off the tee to get

me through the week. Like I deal with all kinds of such a scary shot though. But it was working in round one. It really was. I can't even describe how awesome it was working. But it's a narrow golf course and there's trees that line each side off the tee. So when you get the wind off the right, if you can't hold a cut up, some of these windows I was trying to hit it through, there's nowhere to start the ball. And the wind flipped on day two and giving me like three, four, five nightmare shots with wind off the right.

And I just got exposed, like so badly exposed in a way that it was not like, oh, drove in the rough and made bogeys. Like you drove in the rough and made quad because like you compounded the errors and you just did dumb stuff. And I left with like as about as low as I've, I left with like, dude, I don't think I can do this anymore.

I just don't, I don't think I can. Some of these images that are flashing up here now, when I first started playing this. You said over the, what was that 2000 British open, Jack up on the swulkin bridge. Just waving goodbye was the only from the desk of Sully messages that we got after round two, which really tickled me. It was just like, dude, what are we doing out here?

When I first started playing this tournament and got invited to play it, I was competitive in it. I was playing a lot of competitive golf. I was practicing a lot. It was like, hey, I didn't have any kids and it was midwinter for me, which is a busy time of playing golf. And like, a lot of people are coming from the Northeast not having played much like my

chance to compete with some of the best best midams in the country was like getting in shape for it and then doing it. And like, I got some results in this term that I'm very proud of, you know, is it, you know, their resumes differ very, very greatly from mine. Now last two years missing the cut by eight and even more than eight this year. It's just like, I don't, I don't think I'm about this life anymore. I have too much respect for the guys that play, like the competitive golf scene in general and how good these guys are. The course keeps getting harder, the field keeps getting better, and

the course keeps getting harder and tucking these pins. And I'm not that dude, man. I'm just not prepared to make those putts and hit the shots that are needed. Looking back, I can't believe I lasted as long as I did of being somewhat in it, this go around. But I freaking love this golf tournament. It's so much fun. The members put on, like the 1000 people come out

and watch it on Friday, they have an incredible party. And the video, you know, Ben travels to it every year, he loves going and filming all of it. And it just I just was like, dude, there's just too much stress at home. I'm not like mentally there enough. And I'm not gonna that's not gonna change anytime soon. So I don't know if it's farewell to competitive golf. But just for a while I gotta focus on being a dad and I gotta get my fricking back straightened out.

That was a massive thing too. It was like, dude, I'm just not healthy enough to do this. So it sucked. It was quite embarrassing to be honest. I was, I didn't have the words really when Ben interviewed me afterwards that I just couldn't really come to it It was uh hadn't felt that in any of the competitive golf stuff

I've done camera or not. I didn't even care about the camera part of it was just like dude I just can't believe I just shot that in an actual tournament and getting to relive it on camera is gonna be Well a couple things one Hate hate hearing you speaking in absolutes. Hate, I know. Come on, man. It's not over until it's over. Always darkness before the dawn. That's exactly right, Bigel. Let's not say anything we're going to regret. Let's just

keep the door open for later. Life's not always going to be like this. No, no, but in the short term, this is not in the cards for me. It was fun to cosplay a competitive golfer, but these dudes are so legit, and it would take just so much practice. And I literally don't have the time or availability to do it. Well, and two, there's our Sur Pro Mea Culpa segment. So I just want to know kind of what.

Is there anything you could have done? It's a mulligan segment. I would like many mulligans. I would really like a mulligan on my tee shot on the 18th hole on Thursday. I was trying to blow it right because I'm worried about missing left. Wind was in off the right. And I hit this tree that I didn't even see, didn't even think about. Hit the top of the tree close to the tee and they've overseeded out there and there's all

this rough everywhere. Nobody saw where it went and we lost the ball. Like we never, never saw it off the tree. And like that broke, I was just like so upset for how hard I battled that day. And I thought I was going to birdie that hole, birdie that one, get back to plus two. I'd have been in the top 30 and like on the better half of the wave, like, and then I tripled that and then bogeyed my, I missed a one, a two foot putt on the last hole. All of a sudden I'm just sitting at lunch shell shocked that I shot 77. So I want that

tee shot back. I don't think Friday would have gone that much better had that happened. I was not close. But I at least wanted to get in the house with that opening round and be like, dude, I can still feel a lot of the feels. I felt the feels there for a good little stretch. And it was a lot of fun. But it just not being able to literally move a ball yard left to right is a problem and you gotta have got other shots didn't have the shots do you want to apologize to the thousand people there no I won't apologize because the hole that I the only hole I

played in front of a lot of people on Friday was the 18th again I hit the green in two and made uh two-part birdie and so they got to see uh something go go right for me. If I was your lawyer, I think I would say uh it's possible that this tournament did not have a big

enough crowd and it felt too small and I think that was hard for you to stay locked in. You need more juice. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's an interesting block we could possibly explore. Yeah. Well, listen, man, I know you're licking your wounds and that's a tough one, but hey, Randy and I live very fulfilling lives.

You know, you play recreational golf with us. You know, we'd be happy to host you anytime. You know, we play $5 played $5 NASA, no presses. No presses. No, to that point, I don't love what competitive golf has done to my relationship with golf overall. And I'm just sometimes caught in this no man's land. I enjoyed the shit out of golf in 2018, 2019,

where I was just like, dude, release yourself from the burden of your scores and the status of your game and all of this stuff. And I just loved exploring golf and like starting to take it seriously again, I don't regret doing it, but like I, it's time for me to just get back into enjoying the fun part of golf and not stressing myself about how I'm playing. And that's a big burden to release.

That's kind of more of where I was going of like, it can be a, you know, it's time for me to sign a live contract and just kind of coast the rest of the way in is what I'm getting at. Couldn't agree more. No, I think that's extremely relatable what you're talking about. I felt the same way. I mean, different scale, different causes, but yeah, sometimes it can be kind of hard, you know, and it's especially when it's the job and you're playing on camera and it's not the same as going out and, you know, kind of just kicking it around for five bucks with with buddies I know it can be a little different

So we all got a little work to do I think we all kind of spoke to that a little bit on the on the trap draw goals podcast as well on that Yeah on that front so Big anything to add before we close Holly listen my good friend Teddy Roosevelt once said It's about the man in the arena. He's so proud of you. He said a lot of stuff.

Keep your chin up. It's not a reflection on you. We appreciate you making the content for us. And don't rule out more, you know, more high level golf for yourself. That's right. Don't make any rash decisions when you're feeling your worst.

Exactly. Exactly right. Well said. I also said that jack picture because jack retired multiple times at the old course. Actually, exactly. Like I can opt out of this retirement. Tom Watson did it 100 times. You're you're you're don't mean anything. I'll tell you this. What I will say I will never do again is like show up unprepared. I'm either going to not play or I'm going to be properly prepared. Like the worst thing you can do is show up unprepared I'm either gonna not play or I'm gonna be properly prepared like the worst thing you can do is show up unprepared And that's the part that I regret the most I couldn't have changed anything about it I probably just should have skipped a year and I would feel a lot better about it

And now we're right back where we started with you know, you're like the cat That's that's kind of how we started this whole this whole week, right? When I if I'm now, you know if I'm not prepared to win, I'm just not showing up. You can't do it. Straight up, man. That's always the goal. Well, listen, hey, to help you maybe get back in the spirit of playing some soulful, ultimately meaningless golf, we got a great pod coming on Tuesday. I really enjoyed recording this one.

We recorded this a couple of weeks ago. Basically courses you want to go play in 2025. Me, you, Tron, and Neil put this one down. There's a bunch of different categories, courses you want to play near your house, bucket list courses you want to play, just a bunch of a bunch of different stuff I think people are gonna really like. That episode will come out on Tuesday. Big, we got an LPGA episode on Thursday. What's the deal? That comes out a night into Wednesday just to clarify. All right. Thank you. We do. We're chatting with you. Leave me know who won the founders a couple weekends ago

It was her first LPGA victory and we'll do just a quick little preview to get folks ready for the first Asian swing that LPGA is embarking upon Fantastic, I believe on the trap draw this week, the ball knowers are back. Los ball knowers, uh, breaking down the Superbowl. There'll for sure be some Superbowl talk. I've also tasked all the ball knowers. We're going to come with our official top 10 quarterback rankings. We're making people put their name on the top 10 quarterback ranking. Yeah. I feel like you guys have been dancing around that one for a while. One request, Randy, I can't,'t as a as a Jags fan. I cannot have you entertain

Trevor over Jalen hurts. I I gotta gotta have him below. I Yeah I'll send it my I think that's a you know, I don't know if Jalen's gonna hit my board know, I don't know if Jalen's gonna hit my board. Also on the trap draw front, Randy and I are headed out to the City of Angels this week to record our annual Oscars pod, so say hello if you see us in an airport or restaurant out that way. And on the merch front. Specifically the Arowan around Silver Lake, wherever that was. Just stuff in our faces with activated smoothies over at the Air 1.

On the merch front, pocket tees are back. I think this is one of the best things we have in the shop. The knowing of pocket tees are unbelievable. We've got Footjoy mock necks are back in stock. And like I mentioned earlier, we've also got a new foot joy collection dropping this week. Nest members are going to have early access to that starting on Tuesday. And then that goes live for everyone on Friday. So join the nest if if you haven't. That's you know, just another

another perk. And we've even got a new nest video up this week on no laying up.com. We. We showed Jordan Spieth the nest gift and we just wanted to see what he thought about it. For anybody who's on the Refuge, our message board, you'll know why that's quite funny. And you know, turn into a fun little video snippet. So guys, unless there's anything else, I think that's meeting adjourned.

Two hour, two hour pod with minimal bitching, honestly tonight. I think we should feel quite accomplished. I think we celebrated we celebrated Torrey Pines. But boys, great being with you. Thank you, Randy. Thank you to Sally. Thank you to Cody behind the scenes. Thanks to Matt on the social front. All of our all the sponsors, all the partners, all the viewers. Great week being with you guys

and look forward to another big week of pods. Catch you guys on Cheers.