No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 970: Day 1 at the 2025 Players

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

Lucas Glover, J.J. Spaun, and Camilo Villegas are tied at -6 at the end of Day 1 of the 2025 Players Championship. We run down the leaderboard, spend too much time talking about Corey Pavin, cover some news and notes, and more! Presented by High Noon. Support our sponsors: High Noon - Sun's Up! Holderness & Bourne Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining The Nest: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at nolayingup.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! Johnny, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show, presented as always by high noon, Solly here, Thursday Players Championship, kicking off a season of championships with our Thursday, Friday, Saturday live shows, joined by my guy up in Brooklyn, Neal Schuster.

Hello, Mr. Neal, how are you? Greetings, Solly Solomon, always good to be with you. How's the recovery from yesterday? Not good, always good to be with you. How's the recovery from yesterday? Not good, not good. Resting heart rate of average of 88 overnight, 13% recovery this morning. I don't know how these guys do this. That's after eight holes, well, nine technically,

but yeah, we're struggling a little bit today. Had a little snooze. I tried to snooze, there's not enough commercials in the players telecast to take a good snooze. Speaking of afternoon snoozes watching some golf, Big Randy is here. Hello, Mr. Big. Yeah, hey guys did not upset maybe the century did not get a snooze in today.

It's tough. Players week is different, man. They treat the broadcast different, the golf's different. It's quite entertaining. And here's the tea about high noon's non carbonated vodka iced tea. It's made with real vodka, real iced tea, no added sugar. If you're a hard tea lover who's done with the sugary malt based teas, you're going to love the non-carbonated High Noon vodka iced tea.

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and I found a pack near me which is at my local Publix. It was quite convenient. Saw a little car accident on the way over, that was cool. High noon, sun's up, let's talk some golf. Neil, what's the biggest story of Thursday at the Players? I mean, I feel like the biggest story for the last couple days has been Rory. I was really impressed.

We were chatting a little bit beforehand. I enjoyed watching that kind of power group. But Rory with a 67 in a very un-Rory fashion didn't seem to have the driver working. I know he rattled off three birdies early in the back nine. I missed a couple of those, but like T-Shot on 16, T-Shot on 18, both just missing left, missing right. But then, kind of just like manufactured a few birdies

and golfed his ball a little bit more than, what would I say? Like, Rory's got that superpower where he just hits it so well off the tee that like, I always feel like when that's not working, it's like, ah, you know, Rory's not coming. Uh, and today it felt like he, he put together a round of golf without his best stuff. He, he pitched backwards, Randy, am I saying that properly? Um, you know, he worked the count a little bit. I feel like it was a, Randy. Am I saying that properly? You know, he worked the count a little bit. I feel like it was a strategic round. So, you know, some weird stuff from Murray early in the week just kind of feels like he's, you know, I don't, I don't want to say itching

for a fight, but kind of like hostile right now, you know, taking phones, not, he just doesn't want to take any shit. He doesn't really want to answer certain questions. And like, I kind of like, I think I'm cool with that You know, like do I agree with it? Maybe not but like hey, you know, we went out and shot five under He's you know one one back. I think Like that to me that was the story of the day Yeah, it's kind of weirdly been the story of the week Randy. What's your biggest story of the day for Thursday? well, I was gonna say the

Megapairing of Rory and Scotty and Xander turned out to not be a disappointment. I think sometimes when, when you see it at majors, right, they put the one, two, three ranked players in the world together can be a little flat, but really enjoyed watching that group on the ESPN plus coverage. I stuck with them, watched their whole round, um, some ups, some downs, but yeah, I was in that group on the ESPN Plus coverage. I stuck with them, watched their whole

round, some ups, some downs, but yeah, Rory shooting the five under as Neil said, Scotty got it in at three under 69. Xander doubled 18. That was tough, but he played some good golf, hit some good shots. It was enjoyable. So I would say that was probably my big takeaway. And then maybe more macro just for a while there.

A really uninteresting, terroristy, even top of the leaderboard. I mean, Irish leaderboard. Yeah, I don't know how else to describe it, but we're starting to see some big names insert themselves a little bit. And of course you can't win the players on Thursday. So I'm not too concerned yet.

Can I ask you a quick trivia question? No looking at anything other than maybe the leaderboard if you want to. Who's the favorite right now in the players championship as it was said here at the end of Thursday? Gosh, I'd be surprised if it weren't Rory. Yeah, I would say Rory. It's Scottie Scheffler at 219 at 300 Bar barely. He's plus 400 and Rory's plus 450. Next up is Morikawa and JJ Spahn at plus 1800.

Listen, JJ Spahn though, I just wanna say, like give some flowers to my guy. Randy, he's like that prototypical, the mini horse I've been talking about. He's graduated from Mule. I might have to bring Cody in to get my horse terminology right, but like Randy, he reminds me of that running back from Arizona State, Cam Scatterbo, you know, kind of like the way he's built. I don't know, every time he pops on my screen, I just chuckle because he like kind of

looks like a mini powerback in the, in the NFL. He's, he's a mini, he's a mini horse. It's not a mule. He's graduated out of that category. I'm in on, on spawn. He's, he's not one of the, of the monkey bar guys for me. Would this be a Shetland pony? Is that, is that what we call a mini horse?

I don't know, Cody get in here. What do you think? I'm trying to get above mule, but below thoroughbred. What should I be thinking about here? Gentlemen, good evening. Sorry again. Quick congratulations to you. I was at Disney World, man.

So was I. I don't know. It's true. I don't know. But I will check on you, Neil. OK. All right. Get back to me.

We can answer that. All right. Hierarchy of some ether. Yeah, we got to think through our art. Because I don't think it's just mules and thoroughbreds anymore. I think you have to, like, I feel like Lucas Glover's in that category.

Like, is he a mule? Yeah, but he's like kind of an all-star mule. Have you seen that video of that horse that runs funny? That like runs, it doesn't do the normal trot, but runs almost like a different, have you seen that video that's been going around? I don't know, is it a pacer? There's trotters and pacers. Oh, there's, anyways. I'm guessing that's what I'm, I can't know. Is it a Pacer? There's Trotters and Pacers.

Oh, there's a, anyways. That's what I'm guessing. Dude, that cam scatter, bro. That guy just ran amok in the college football playoffs. And I feel like JJ Spahn's been all over leaderboards this whole year. I mean, he's playing great golf. Here's where I keep throwing the challenge flag on these Keegan

for Ryder Cup guys is like, Keegan and JJ Spahn are right next to each other in The standings that's why you guys gotta talk. We gotta talk about my guy Oc shea down at minus four I mean, come on man. Hold on. Hold on. Let me jump in here. Sorry. What was your biggest story of the day? Sorry. Yeah, I did. Let's finish it out here. Well, this is my Seventh or eighth players or eighth or ninth? I don't know how many exactly I've been to at this point and I feel like I might be getting farther away from understanding TPC Sawgrass at least when it comes to professional golfers because I mean there

was times I watched when a fair amount of Wyndham Clark's round today and I was like dude he played this course great last year he was my pick to win this year he played well for a couple days at Bay Hill last year and I was like yeah dude like his good golf is so good and he, he makes this course look very easy. And then like two holes later, it was not easy for him. And now he's T 68. It is just like the weird, the terroristy leaderboard is a constant for Thursday at the players, more so than even, uh, definitely more so than majors,

but more so than other tournaments. And it just puts it you can have such a good day but if you have three bad like somewhat bad holes it all gets washed away it has just such severe penalties and just watching as Cody's flashing the graphic with the mule logo for for the players leaderboard but it it it has a way to just send you back to go. It sends you to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Sit out a turn, whatever it comes to, like a Monopoly game. And I don't know how to compare that to anything else or how to project that out for the remainder of a week, right? It just becomes this, who is able to avoid the disaster the longest way and coming just off

playing it last night, it is amazing how how quote unquote easy it is to make pars if you just play the course extremely conservative and professional golfers they're trying to win are not used to playing extremely conservative. I'm watching Wyndham try to jam driver down there on six. That image that Cody had up there a second ago was just like, I saw a lot of golf out there and I saw dudes just in lies and situations like this all day long. JT right of 18 after he put one in the water,

like the balance between trying to take on the risk of hugging the water, dunks it in there and then has to go to the front of a tee box, blows a three wood right into the hay, and they're just toast. Like watching guys struggle with shots that look like they're relatively easy, this place can just put even the best players in the world in a complete pretzel, and I'm here for it.

It doesn't, it's not gonna project like awesome storylines come Thursday, but the actual path to getting there is so much better than a normal everyday week on the PGA Tour. That's really well said. So what I would add to that is I think a few years back, I, I remember talking about St. Andrews as that like marble game, you know, you're trying to keep it out of the holes. And like, there's a lot of

like, bad luck involved in with St. Andrews and links golf. I don't think it's it's not bad luck when I watch TPC. It's like it's Mr. Die like goading you into like an execution test of like, can you like the T shot of 15, we were talking about that last night or I actually feel it more on the front nine, like five, six and seven specifically like, all right, man, it's right here in front of you. You can't miss here. But like if you can hit like, let's take 15, it'll be a better example. Can you hit that high cut driver? And we watched the top three players in the world

come through there. Scotty blew it way right, he tried to, he blew it way right. And then I think Xander hit it and Rory hit it, but it's like you either have that shot or you don't. And it's a very difficult shot, or you gotta like lay back and then you have a really tough approach. But I feel like it's right out in front of you. It's almost the other end of the challenge spectrum from St. Andrews, I guess, is the point I'm trying to make where it's like it really, I don't feel like guys are getting like bad breaks. They're just getting, you know, like, they're just not executing. They're just not they're failing the test sometimes. And they're almost like, you know, being goaded into taking the test.

Well, and you don't, there isn't like a convenient miss off the tee on this golf course, right? You know, on some golf courses, you hit a little bleeder that gets a couple feet into the rough. You're like, okay, that's fine there, decent angle. Every little thing has just a little punishment to it.

How sharp the edges are leading into the bunkers. Think about the mounting that's around the bunker on five, which was easy to carryable today and downwind. But it's right there on 15. If you bleed one too far right, it doesn't just get into right rough. It goes into a bunker that's lower than the fairway ground. It kicks hard off that. But you could end up on that bank. Could have a Trent situation on 16 which one of the top comments you see that did you go back and see a nodo

situation a potential nodo situation Dave Lambert golfs and then we need a petition to get Johnson Wagner out there to to try that shot from from treads divot but it's just like that is a unique thing about this golf course and it's probably something we do say every year but it just sticks out that much more after like Getting to simulate what it's like to try to unlock it in competition and just like watching the best players in the world like Hideki shot five over on his front nine today and you're just like I

can't go play Mary very many tour golf courses on a Wednesday and Quote unquote beat as many guys I did over eight holes as TPC Sawgrass. That's not like a because if you play good there there's no problems. There's just like truly no problems but if you're off slightly you get sent into a totally different dimension and if like if we did that like Memorial I would I would shoot like six over probably and worse than anybody else in the field, but TBC's are just so weird And that's why all that to build up is why I think we get these really weird leaderboards

That laugh you also hear those quotes. Yeah, you hear those quotes. I saw some stuff on Social media earlier this week about like the the quotes from the pros when the course debuted, you know It's like it's a fucking Mickey Mouse trap, you know, like every like all the guys hated it back in the 70s. You know, it's like there's just there's no, you know, it's like it's not a good test. It's it's a total crap shoot out here. Like what a you know, and so it's which is like it's old enough now where it's almost grown into it's grown into itself. And I really I've grown and I've grown to love it.

I think when we 10 years ago, I was kind of like, ah, it's overrated. And now I'm like, ah, no, I think it's actually kind of sweet. If I didn't get a chance to partake in the pod you guys did with thrills and delights, I will say this, and I don't even have to ask where you stand on this one, Rainey, because I know you're going to join me here.

You know what thrills and delights me? Watching people get all up in arms about the tree on six. Of course, it's the best. I don't, you would have to try to hit that branch. all up in arms about the tree on six. Of course, it's the best. You would have to try to hit that branch. I know it messes with your head a little bit. You do not have to change the shot you hit. I heard guys talking about that all week and maybe I'm wrong.

I haven't actually hit the shot, but I went up there and stood there. I was like, dude, I don't know, six iron might hit that thing. Like it's not gonna be driver. I don't know, man. Some of these guys launch it pretty high with their fairway.

Do you know what it reminds me of. I was thinking about this today. You remember when the new Jerry world opened and people were all worried that the punters were going to hit this, the scoreboard, like every punt and a couple of guys like went out of their way. I think in a preseason game to try to do it, it was a, not like it was a non-issue, you know, like let's get on with it. The trees there, play your shot. Tree looks sweet. It does look sweet. And I love if it if it is taking space in their psyches. I think that's a great thing.

100% of the end. Here's the thing. If we're not gonna actually, and I know we're five years, a few years down the road from doing this, but if like we're gonna let you guys hit the ball in this way, setups like this have to be allowed. Like They have to be allowed and like, okay, well, you're going to have to challenge us in different ways. Vertical hazard. Hell yeah. It's honestly why the bit about not playing TIO is like, I believe it because it's like, I do too.

Let's see them hit shots. Let's see the pros, the best in the world deal with these situations. Or if you'd like to take a stroke penalty and take line of sight, you are more than welcome to do that if you can't execute it. But I, Randy, God, I can't co-sign that anymore. And you know what? I want to add something else. Everybody thought the issue was going to be the scoreboard at Jerry's World.

It turns out it was the orientation of the stadium. Which is truly an issue. I'll give another win to Sawgrass on your guys TIO stuff. I just, you don't see people taking TIO out there. It's like they don't want it to stadium setting. So there's so many places, better places for people to stand. And the hospitality is set back. Most of it's around 16 and 17. And you know, the Island Green obviously is not going to give you any TIO, all that stuff to say say you do not get delays for guys taking drops You know, it's way less than a normal tournament

We don't have the actual numbers of what it what it might be, but it's another win for Sawgrass, but Randy anything that thrilled and delighted you today? Well, you know piggybacking on One of the things I said the other week my guy Jordan Spieth favorite favorite golfer in the world had himself a bit of a weird one, a couple of Eagles. Uh, what'd he make one double at least just, just a, a bit of an up and down roller coaster day. That was enjoyable. I think he had two different hole outs. I want to say, um, yeah, just, just the thrill ride.

He led the field unsurprisingly in strokes gained around the green. Gained almost four shots around the green. I picked him up on hole two. I watched him hole one put two, one put three, one put four, one put five, one put six. And then he drove in the bunker on seven, chunked the bunker shot and left it. I mean, he had a long ways in for his third shot. He had 35 yards. He only had 122 and chunked it 86 yards, had 35, 35 yard bunker shot. He hit it to eight feet, but then missed that putt.

And that's when it kind of ran out of steam. It was very, very, very unsustainable, but it was good to see my guy grind. It was good to see like, which we've, we felt that way about speech career for like four years, like this can't be sustainable, you know, like you can't keep doing this. And unfortunately it kind of proved out, but God, God are we rooting for him. Randy.

I know he hasn't strung four days like that together in a while, but it would be fun if he did T 31. He's right there. Yeah. He's not out of it. I mean, he had an up and down day. It could have been better. I'd say, allow me to, a thrill and a delight. I think the delight was the unstable compounds T shot off at 18. That was awesome. Just the tracer straight into the

hospitality tent. I mean, I'm not like, I don't know if I'm one of the chefs, but like, just look at that tracer, man. I mean, like, whoa, what are we doing? The video is even more shocking. It was like, oh my God, they tried to say that he shanked it, but it went a very long way. And then I think what thrills me is Could be a full Camilo tomorrow Like Awesome round from the JG today. It's in I mean, he's got the collar popped I was like, whoa am I back in like 2014 like this is this is good stuff and he almost sorry I was almost like trying to pre the JG is it like he got into the lead and he was almost like look at a scoreboard He's like, look at his scoreboard. He's like, oh shit.

Like he shots on seven, eight and nine. We're like, whoa, like I haven't been here in a while, but yeah, this will be something for me to monitor tomorrow of like, can he, you know, can he keep it together? Like let's come on baby, let's make the cut. Like that's, that's the goal tomorrow. He picked up a lot of ground around the greens and on the green. He chipped in and called a three, already three of the four.

I think Gary Koch was saying he birdie three of the four par threes. Only one person has birdied all four in one round. Did you guys catch that? No, that's a family. No, that's not right. Oh, he birdied 17 all four days. That's what it was. Uh, a member of the rat family.

Pavin. Corey Pavin. Corey Pavin in 2005, he said. I was like, whoa! So, I know. Didn't, you know, I guess past champion, I believe he won the players long ago. I don't think Corey Pavin's won the players, has he? No. Who could say?

I don't know. Who could say? Well, I was just thinking like 2005, Corey Pavin was in the players. That's later than I would have thought. That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah, I'm going off of what my my guy, you know, the cokehead said, so I don't know. Correcting the record, Corey Pavin is not one champion. So I guess he was just in it in 2005. Or maybe he got maybe maybe my guy coke got it wrong. I don't know. But I thought

that was a sweet stat. So I wanted to pass along. Yeah, either either Neil or Gary Coke, who's been around the game for 40, 50 years, got that one. Yo, I need somebody in the, in the, in the chat to back me on this. Somebody say they heard that it was when the Jagus was on number eight. If you want to go back, I don't have time to go back and listen to it, but I was, I swear I heard that. So you'll, I know you enjoyed it, but just a quick thrill and delight. I got to give him his flowers. That second shot by Rory on 18 was, uh, verifiably was a thrilling in the pine straw.

And we've watched got like cam Smith hit not that shot, but a shot from over there into the water before I watched Ludwig from the right rough today, not even from the pine straw bail way right. of the green on 18 and then chip it into the water like just watching dudes be scared of that front left pin and have Rory flight it under there, not trap it and have it go left run up there and roll in the birdie. That was just that was a freaking awesome golf shot. It's just like, I don't know stuff like watching Rory be more

artistic instead of just bomb it and wedge it. It's just a lot. It's very fun. And it, I know it's like, it doesn't seem like the most sustainable Rory round, but I almost feel like he needs that when the driver will come back. Yeah. Most of the time it's, he has one of these four where he just doesn't have driver and he just can't, you know, he doesn't manufacture and he runs also got

confirmation from our live audience that Corey Pavin, he, that Gary Coke did say that to taste it, both of you. Gary Coke said that Pavin won the players that Pavin buried all four par threes in 2005. That was the stat. I was, I never doubted that. We didn't doubt that. You said it was a past champion.

No, I was wondering why he was in. I thought that in Randy, you were kind of like, that feels late for Pavin to be in the players. Oh, just being able to birdie all four part threes. I, yeah, I, you know, truthfully, I didn't know Pavin was still doing it at a high level in 2005. That's kind of what I was thinking.

Anyway, sorry, we can move on. I'm digressing. Radian might blow your mind here. I'm trying to, I to look this up really quick. Corey Pavin won on the PGA Tour in 2006. All right, man. How about that? It was 10 years after his most previous win.

He won the US Bank Championship in Milwaukee. I kind of thought he got left in the 90s a little bit. But he did. But he had one freakish win like 10 years later. He's 65 now. So in 06, he'd have been 47. Cody's giving me word that he was top 125 finisher on the 2004 official PGA Tour money list and that's how he got into the 05. Courtney Pavin winning as a what did

you say 46 year old? 47 I believe. 47 that's unbelievable. 46 maybe yeah. And burning all four of the par 3s at TPC sawgrass. Come on, man Holy what's KVB doing that should be the next deep dive He was having a moment the the rat family was having a moment in 05 and 06. I love it M she's chef ski. They were all they were doing all kinds of shit. There's a bit of Paulie. I think was still raisin Who else is in the fam Randy Aranches Sanchez, V Vacario is a member of the family. I don't know how Cody found that so fast. I need TC here.

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was teeing off and I went over there and man, like it's, it's wild to see that high level of golf on the golf course and then flip over the top three players in the world and just immediately be like, Oh, this is different. Oh, like legitimately it sounds different. The heights are different watching them all pound drivers around the, you know, hitting draw drivers on two with that T back farther now now guys are all hitting drivers around it. The apex they're able to get on these drivers watching Scotty like line up left and then just felt like

with his hands, whip a driver around right to left on command was just, it wasn't all of their best rounds ever but it was just a clear step up of watching those three play together. So to your point, Randy, the mega grouping was a big hit for me today. Randy, I think I felt the same way about the mega group and some of it too,

I think is, you know, it's been off to a weird start with those those three like Rory's kind of, you know, wins at Pebble. He's kind of had the stage for the last two months. Xander's just coming back had kind of a disappointing showing last week to kick off his comeback. So you're wondering what's up with him. And then yes, Scotty, I mean, you know, he's making what ravioli or no key, you know, ripping his hands up. Like it's just, we haven't seen all of these guys even in the same tournament together this year. Um, because I don't think that we're, uh, Scotty and Xander overlapped at all. So it's just, it almost felt like, Oh God, this is like maybe the beginning of golf season. And you had those two Scotty and Xander separate themselves last year. And it's like, they're coming back.

Trying to get into form and Rory's kind of like the top dog, but he's not. So it's just the dynamics were very interesting to me today. And props that just the players coverage is, is really nice. I mean, it's the marquee PGA tour event, but it, but it is cool how they blow it out on ESPN plus like tons of options, a lot of featured groups, featured holes. Like I do appreciate that as a spectator. Can I make one comment there? I thought that Gary Coke and Dan Hicks is two guys in the booth and you know, spinning around like that's it.

We don't need three guys in the booth. Like let's just simplify this shit. Like that's need three guys in the booth. Let's just simplify this shit. That's the answer. It puts those guys in a better spot, too. Oh my god. Everybody was so comfortable. And it's obviously great to have Raj back. But them tossing it to Smiley, them tossing it to Bones,

it just felt so much more relaxed. And it didn't feel like Faxon was trying to get a word in every opportunity because he doesn't have that much space to operate. Everybody just felt like they were calm and enjoying the afternoon and that led to me as a fan. And then yeah, limited commercial interruptions. It's not fucking complicated. Yeah, it's still everything. Everything you said about not feeling rushed, everything feels rushed because they have to squeeze in so much stuff between commercials and it just flows so much better.

It is like legitimately a good entertainment product. It just sucks that we get one PJ Torben. I'll give that per year. One other shout out. I mean, obviously NBC's bringing all the toys, but you know, I think that 17 is such a good venue for TV golf and I think it allows them to show off like, you know, just the drone tracers and like, you know,

like this graphic on screen, just showing where everybody hit it. Like who got, who missed the green short by like 20 yards? I can find that. I saw, I did see Fitzpatrick, the one that went long that air mailed it long. That was Fitzpatrick. I saw that live.

That was sweet. Davis Riley only got it 122 yards today. That was maybe done a little dirty by that graphic. It's but he was the only he and I'm sorry. So that's Sam Stevens. Hitted only 117. That's that that's that very short one. But he only he and Davis Riley missed short and JT missed those are the three short water balls. This hole is like grown in to be like a really good environment for modern televised golf. It's like a striking drone shot of like not only just the hospitality and just the lake in the island green and everything, but then you start to throw in

all these graphics on top of it. Like, listen, that's that's I like. Thank you, NBC. Like that's additive to the broadcast. Now that stuff, you know, when you think about like last week, that stuff's not going to make up for like having too many guys announced in the tournament and like losing track of stuff. You know what I mean? But it's like, I appreciate the, uh, the, the technological advances we're making. I know. Well, you know what it does is it, you really see the difference between like as good as they

can do and then the week to week efforts you know like that's that's what really is striking also about this week they're taking plays off Randy you know they're over the water cooler to get a blow come on the reps I don't know if that's a conditioning issue or if that's just a want to but the coaches notice that shit okay I'm like oh man coaches fucking me yeah it's like no I see you balling and conditioning issue or if that's just a want to but the coaches notice that shit, okay, I Like oh man coaches fucking me, you know, you know, yeah, it's like no I see you ballin No, we don't see you ballin week to week. I see you ballin right now Sometimes play we need we need players every down. That's right. That's right every down guys like scatterbo like my guy cam and JJ spawn Can I ask you guys? I'm sorry back Back to you. No. Can I ask you

guys what you think of 17 Green? Just in general? How it plays and and how it sets up? Uh I think it's like a great piece of the world of golf. They're like the the green like like technically contouring. Yeah. The contouring of the

green and how how the tier is set up. Do you find it interesting? I like it. I think it's more fun when it's firm, a little firmer, right? And I really want to like where the pin was today in that back section, but what ends up happening is the guys, you know, we're not getting that big first bounce. And some years you'll see like is the guys, you know, we're not getting that big first bounce. And some years you'll see like in the round, you guys really have trouble

with that first bounce and how the ball is going to land and react on that green. And we just don't have those conditions this week. So I like the green. I just don't quite like the firmness and the conditions of it right now. I would like it a little spicier for my viewing. I like the concept of the green. I don't think that as a viewer, you get a sense of how steep the front is. I mean, you were kind of telling me about this last night.

I think, you know what, kind of maybe a television recommendation, I'm always curious why they don't have like a tripod in the lake, like at almost eye level, like where you'd be if you were on the green, like because I don't think that would enter in, you know how they put bunker cams in? Like something like that where you had a small camera on a basically a stick planted in the lake so that you could kind of get more eye level view because every time we see that green, you never get a handheld on that green. There's never a cameraman out there like you'll see with a lot of other putts when you almost get that ground level view.

And so I think as a viewer, I would understand how steep those, you know, the contours are, but from from above with the tower cam, I don't think you get a sense of how scary of a shot that can be. There should be some merciful going around in the lake and then, you know, it breaches with that submarine top with a camera. Yeah, I'm way in on that, but I don't think that it would be that hard to put a, like a basically a stick in the like a tripod in the water that you could have you know could kind of move you know because you don't

have a drone going around that's going to bug you know the spectators they did last night they had it humming around around I think they got every other kind of camera out there they got the freaking thing on the cable but everything's aerial like yeah Cody's got the squirrels maybe put the squirrels on a boat you know like I just think uh I guess my point is because of the island green and you don't want to have anything but the golfers on the green you don't get a great sense of it um because because those guys do seem like really stressed out when they hit it yeah it just I don't know that ridge in the middle seems like the combo of it when it gets any kind of rain like we got in that huge ridge in the middle just I think that makes the whole play a little dull like I just don't think it's that interesting. You know to it's weird that it's almost like that in the right in the middle where you would think the safest spot would be run the risk of like ripping a ball all the way back into the water. ball all the way back into the water. It's just like a weird minefield in it.

Now I was prepared saying all that for like, oh, what I'm describing sounds awesome to Randy. Like he's gonna freaking love the fact that you could just get rid of that collar on the front too. No, the zebra strike your ass last night. The zebra stripes make it like a game of Plinko. You don't know where that ball's going. It just seems like, yeah.

And when it gets, but that's when it also gets too firm landing anything on that back part just becomes you know it's going in the water. Oh my god that's when it gets good. It hits number man. My overall point I don't think there's four good pins on the green right? I think there's a couple. All right I can I can buy that but I think there's two good pins. Sunday and and the front and yeah, the front pin. I just think the back pin makes for the best TV, but anyways, well, the whole, what it was playing like the fourth hardest hole today. Like I think that's great.

It's a 144 yard shot today and those like playing fourth hardest, like sign me up for that. It was the seventh hardest today. It played 3.1, one three. So still, I mean, I like that on Coke. I think I gave you some bad information there now. Well, at the time, I think it was the fourth, but somebody did say that on the broadcast, 10 water balls, 113 out of 142 hit the green in regulation. But, um,

if you, but like, and that's not enough, not enough if you're asking me. Yeah. Um, anyways, let's get to the bottom of the board can we because guys are some names down there. Yeah. Wait have we spent any time talking about this should we just at least name the top of the board? Sure. We have a list. We threw the question on there. Excellent round from Lucas Glover.

We talked about my guy Camp Scatterbo. Uh Vijay I guess we talked about him. Uh we talked a little bit about Min Woo. I mean, he kind of did. Let me ask you that. Do any of those guys have staying power? Like are you are you are you expecting? Honestly, like who inside this top 10 quick yes or no on every player on staying power

with no explanation. Lucas Glover staying power. Yes. No. Yes. JJ spawn staying power. No, no. Yes. No. Yes. JJ spawns staying power. No, no. Yes. No. Camila Rodriguez staying power. No. No. No. Min Woo Lee staying power. No. No. I see big

numbers. Billy Ho staying power. Yes. I think he might. Yeah. Rory McIlroy staying power. Yes. Probably. Yes. Alex Smalley at four. The big group of four under. We'll do all of them. Alex Smalley at four under staying power. I'm going to say no, but he has been playing well. Probably not. What is staying power? Top 10? Like do you finish in the top 10? Yeah, I think top 10. Okay. Yeah. Somebody wants to audit this on Sunday night. We'll take it. I'm going to no on Sm small. Stephen Yeager staying power. Nah. No. Yes for me. Aaron Rye staying power. Yes. Yes for me. Yeah. But you stepped over. You got you just. No I'm going no because this was updated in the agenda. I don't

skim it. But Collin. No I don't think so. No I'm gonna say no. Denny McCarthy. Yeah sure. Yes. You know. Maybe. He's a great ball striker. Can we show Chandler Phillips card if you have it Cody cuz this was maybe the Psycho card of the day Eagles today. No, he had three Eagles today Three Eagles, excuse me, he got the second he started on hole 10 make a snowman to he Already party on 10 11. He bogeyed 13. He birdied 15, eagled 16, so he shot four under on his front nine, the back nine, flipped over. Eagles number two, bogeys four and six, birdies seven, triples eight to go all the way back to 200 and then eagled his final hole, the ninth hole. How far in

did he have on that one? He had 300 yards and hit it 301. Yeah, I saw that back pin to four feet and made the putt for Eagle. So staying power for Chandler Phillips. Uh, I don't think so, but great mustache. That thing has staying power. That thing, that mustache has stopping power. That's, that's heavy stuff there. Grillo staying power.

Like, yes, I'm feeling it. Here we go, Rainey. Richard Flower staying power. How about that, Rick? No, I'm not feeling it. No, I don't think so. I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna. Wow. I'm gonna I'm gonna buy it. Sam Ryder staying power. Four under. I mean. No. For top ten? No, I don't think so yeah this is this 400 squad is it's big it's pretty bleak to Trey Mullen X I don't I hope not I'm gonna go no Laurie Cantor the live bot those are most of my nose Nealer I hope not yeah I just hope you are like shadow banning my guy, Occhet. What did he finish at? He's at minus four. No, five under.

He's at five. He's at 18. With our guy McGreevy. The play is still going on here. Occhet at five under. Does he have staying power? Yeah. Of course he does.

I don't even need to ask that one. I'm not shadow banning him. But he also might make so many big numbers. I guess that's the fun of Sawgrass, is truly anybody can make big numbers. Yeah. Max McGreevey is also at 500 par. I don't think so.

He's got two holes to play tomorrow. I'm going to say no for him, unfortunately. But who knows? We'll see. And then you've got, like, what do we have? Scottie and Cantlay are three back. So there's still some thoroughbreds like they could log off a day tomorrow yeah, tomorrow's a tomorrow's gonna be a

interesting day day Daniel Berger to under like there's some I I feel like it's yeah Thursday the players a bunch of randos But like this place the last two years. I feel like the cream has risen You know by the end of Saturday like whoa this leaderboard sweet a Lot of golf. All right, but at the bottom of the board Justin Thomas starting the back nine today. He was too under par I believe a shot out of the lead playing the 17th hole he would go on to reverse Westbrook

He went double triple to finish that back nine Big oh Oscar Robertson to shoot 39 on that side flips over, has a pretty disastrous front nine as well. His back 90 bogeys four doubles five bogeys six bogey seven. He birdied his last two holes of the day to get in at six over par. He lost nine. That shows heart though and I appreciate that. I, I'm going to make call for me.

I picked JT to win. I'm going to get out in front of that right now. Uh, I hate that past champ feels like he's been in pretty good form. He feels like he's been trending for the past like three or four months. Let's say three months. Um, and I, you know, I just missed this one guys. I didn't, I didn't see that coming. I didn't see that many big numbers out of JT.

I'm right there with you, Neil. I was thinking signs were pointing his way as well. And I feel like JT always does that to me. Whenever I convince myself to get in on JT, I feel like not only does he not come through, he shits the bed in a tremendous, tremendous way. It's kind of like calling for you too. You're always just

buying high yeah it's selling low gotta for me it's Sung J I'm always I'm just always a week early or late on Sung J you know and not even to win just to like you know I don't know just be around it's like oh Sung J of course this week top 10 so this is where it's like again I go back to the Sawgrass conversation though, of JT lost five strokes off the tee today alone before of them were off of the 18th tee and off of the 50. He drove in the water on 18. Basically had to take a drop on it on it basically had to re T same with number five had to move up to the front of a t box

after driving in the water on five, and on seven, he almost lost a full shot when he drove it way right into the trees and had to punch out into the fairway. So like most golf courses that you can drive it shortly off, he missed the 18th fairway by less than 10 yards. Like go to Augusta, you miss a fairway by less than 10 yards. You don't have nearly that same level of penalty. I'll just say like, if you're off on this golf course, it will just kick you out and you're done. And I don't know if it always means like you are your games in a horrible, horrible

spot. Well, it's like it's that's that's Mr. Die, man. It's almost like tea to green water hazards. They might as well be OB. Yeah, you know, it's a retea. It's like, oh, that cross like 15 yards up there. Like that sucks. And you know, it's a retie. It's like, oh, that crossed like 15 yards up there. Like that sucks. And you know, it's like, it's right there in front of you. It's like, don't do that. It's so, that's so demoralizing too. So Ryan 7283 asks, will you disavow JT as a threat towards majors? I will not. I will either. I will, I will not overreact to, to today's round. So, uh, on a different note, our guy Max Holma shot a 79. It is really not trending in a great

direction. I got a lot of questions about this one. I'm just going to read a few of them. We have Jeff Bruder. Are we not concerned about our guy Max? If not, when do we start to get concerned? At Sealer9, how worried are you about Max? At BoxingFan3333, would Max have won the Creator Classic yesterday? Now we're getting a little we're getting I feel like maybe yesterday or maybe Tuesday you were like hey, you know, I think you caught up with max You're like I did I you've I feel like he's he's trending. I'm I I don't know if I said I feel like he's trending I said I'm weirdly bullish on weirdly bullish. That's correct. Sorry, I misquoted you. And the game is clearly not trending, but he,

he's not the kind of guy that is gonna stand there and say what he said to me on the range. I'm just like, dude, I'm honestly hitting it great. Like golf's kicking my ass right now, and I'm hitting it so good, you watch me on the range, you would never know that things are going poorly. And I also watched him hit balls for a long time I was like dude every everything was doing the same thing on repeat. I'm not a professional golfer so don't you know don't don't take this as somebody that's coming to this with experience but

like I've tried to play competitive golf through swing changes and it can be a challenge of you can do the things on the range, but when you go out into competition, all the muscles you're used to flexing, all the misses that you're used to having are not what they were. And pro golf is really, really fucking hard. The courses they play, they make it look easy,

but like when you're not yourself, it can look really hard very quickly. He's, I kind of like, am I spending as much time on my chipping and my putting as I probably should? Like, no, because I'm working through swing changes. And that's the thing I'm trying to pound in the most. Like, when you are working specifically through, you know, you're still playing, he's still playing golf swing and not like getting into super competitive mode on the golf course, right? And he

wasn't saying, he was saying this almost in like, understanding what the process is like on a swing change. Now he also has an equipment change mixed in. And I know everyone's in a rush to blame the equipment change on that, but he wasn't hitting it great toward the end of last year anyways, before he made the equipment change, all that to say like, my guys, he's not like, he's not like completely domed in the head in terms of he's confident on the path that he's on and the changes he's making and all of that will work out. I don't know, but it wasn't like he's still out there searching for something. He's still like going to the course

doing the same thing, which I feel better than like, dude, I don't, you know, again, maybe he wouldn't say, I don't know what's going on out loud, but he definitely was not saying that earlier in the week. Well, this is a tough spot to be, even watching the mega group today, it's like, those guys are trying to hit shots they don't normally hit. And that's what I mean by getting good into stuff. Like hitting a, you know, most of the time these guys just hit the fade, you know, or whatever their stock shot is, they can kind of hit it anywhere on most PGA tour setups. I feel like I can, I can imagine Max trying to be like, Oh man, I have to hit this, you

know, draw here. And like he's been quoted to say like, Joe man, I have to hit this, you know, draw here. And like he's been quoted to say like, Joe only lets me hit a draw like three times around. Well, there's a few spots out there where you gotta hit one. You know, and that's probably uncomfy when you don't trust your swing. For all, having said all that, everything I just said,

did I think that was gonna line up for a great week at TPC Sawgrass? I do not, no. This is not the place to, that I would have thought he would have been. Found it! But that's all to say, I don't think our guy is going off the deep end in any way.

So that's where I'm weirdly like, okay, I think we're gonna get out of this. There's something to be said about these dudes that they do understand if they're up against a ceiling with the way that they're doing it and needing to make a change for whatever reason that's almost never going to be clear to anybody sitting at home or even the people that are very close to them but like if you're understanding like what your physical capabilities are with what you got going on and know you need to make a change like There's been a lot of iterations in a lot of these guys processes over the years. Not all of them play out in public

I would to that point though, and I think it kind of feeds into the next person we want to talk about is Hovland, shooting 80 and being DFL. I do think, even for me, but a lot of maybe casual or avid golfers that are not professionals, sometimes with a guy like Hovland,

you're like, dude, you hit it so good. What are you searching for? Right. You know, like, was it really an extra point three in ball striking or a little bit different ball flight that was going to like turn you into a major winner? It's like, man, that doesn't feel like it's worth the risk sometimes to like rebuild the swing and like, yeah, tiger did it twice and it worked out for him.

But I, sometimes it's like, man, you kind of want to dance with the swing that brought you a little bit. And, but, and so my point here is, my point here is I would love to hear them explain that a little bit, you know, like it kind of in, um, I know Hovland's done it a little bit and he's, he's a great quote for this stuff, but it still doesn't really add up a ton to me. Um, of when you go like trying to rebuild something that wasn't, wasn't technically broken. Can I counter that with, I wouldn't call either these rebuilds, but like look at how Xander has evolved over the last year with like, it's a speed increase and there's Chris, Chris Como swing changes, you know, going away from his dad and like, he was a top five player in the world that became a clear number two like that. You know what I mean? Like it's not as simple as, you know, I would say Rory has made some pretty

significant changes over the last couple of years. It's mostly speed related. I don't know enough about the fundamentals of the swing, but he, you know, he spent three weeks, not hitting balls, just like practicing or not watching where balls go, just hitting drills into a net to make a change this off season. And like, that seems to be paying dividends. Like, Oh, apparently it was hidden. He was like up here in New York city, like hitting into a a sim that wasn't turned on for like two weeks

straight he was just like just drilling it he was just like hiding in plain sight in the big in the big city because wild stuff so it's all to say like you know we remember the ones that go off the rails probably more than the people that made those slight improvements that are vital from like we needed zander to make that slight improvement to become the dude that he off the rails probably more than the people that made those slight improvements that are vital from like, we needed Xander to make that slight improvement to become the dude that he became in 2024. So that's why, okay, so I don't want to bog us down here, but I guess my counterpoint to that is like, sometimes it's like, is it a slight improvement or is it a swing change? Because it's kind of gets said like, hey, I'm going through a swing change. And it's

like, that's very different than saying like, hey, I'm trying to make a slight and I'm trying to gain some speed. Like, does that I don't know, this is this is where I get a little confused. It's like, like, I haven't talked to Max about like, I don't know what he's trying to change. And like, dude, you do not have to tell me, none of these guys do. Like, But I think it's interesting too. I feel like I see conversation online as like, why are they doing that? Especially with Hovland more than Max. Leave Max out of this.

With Hovland, it's like, dude, you were hitting it great. Hovland, I feel differently about it. Why are you chasing this? Yeah, I feel differently about it. There's also something to be said for a swing that deteriorates. You can have whatever feels you have but it deteriorates over time and you're kind of not sure what's happened and you've

Done it for six weeks now and like you have some bad habits and now it's like okay to to get past this problem We're gonna have to make like a couple changes It's not as simple as like, you know move the ball back in your stance and all it solves it all so like that would take Qualifies a swing change when you've like let your swing deteriorate, which I think happened with Max last year, like I don't think he went from like, just finished T3 at the Masters. All right, time to reboot it. Let's get weird. Let's change everything now it deteriorated to a point where he thought you needed to make changes. So all honestly conversations were not qualified to be a part of but it is like, it's a web of that. That's what I think conversations were qualified to wonder about. I totally, you're like, man, I'm like, what? Yeah. What is happening? Like just kind of just, just curious.

This is the loneliness of pro golf though. I'm like, you have a coach that you hired, but like you can hire and fire that guy. No one's in charge of your game except you. Like you make the decisions to, to do the things you do. And like, that's not the same as baseball and basketball and football like your coaches kind of you play for a team and they mold you into what they want and it's just a lot of a lot of pressure to make all these decisions and it's part of the struggles of being a professional so a couple questions Evan Atkins winning score 20 under par he's

asking I'm gonna go I'm gonna go well under that I think we got some to do this coming for Sunday and I'd say I say minus 13 14 15 at range what do you think like double digits TC was yeah TC was talking about that potential for mega win Sunday to the point where they might have to move up t times I will see it. It could be thunderstorms too, which is not good. Like that sends scores. I think 15 or 16 under would be my guess. Yeah, that feels about right.

I think there's still plenty of scoring to be had out there. Do we dare place sports fan CJ 97? How far back is too far back? No, I feel like that's gratuitous Couple other things to get going here before we wrap well hold on I just want to give a shout out Justin Lauer former young hitter Made a hole in three. Yep. Sounds like a young hitter emeritus. Cause once you're a young hitter, you're always a young hitter. Yeah. I saw her and I was like, uh, yeah. How'd you guys like I shot even like,

Oh, that's good play in that is a guy. I made a crazy three on 17. I was just thinking, I was like, what's a crazy three on 17. Like, did you get like up and down from somewhere? He's like, no, I hit in the water and I hold it from the drop zone. I was like, Oh, that is a crazy first one of those since 2003. I think the graphic showed, uh, of somebody that's made par from the drop zone. So Neil, you know who the last guy to do that was 2003. I don't Fred Corey Pavin.

Really? No. The rat family. Ready? No, I have no idea. Actually. Well, he did it from the same spot. He doesn't five, Randy. Come on. Ready? No, I have no idea. Actually. Well, he did it from the same spot. He doesn't five Randy. Come on. I was going to see if Neil would believe Corey Pavin. I kind of

like that would have been sick. And on low light side, shout to my guy, Max Grazeman. He made quad on 17 today. I believe I believe that was the highest score. 17 today. Sharp himself. Have you felt like this has been a weird, very week as far as energy he's putting out and I'll highlight three different options. I feel like we've been in a weird Rory like we've been like since the US Open. Yeah like maybe not even weird maybe it's just like the you know like the Taylor Swift eras. He's in his emo era, you know? Or he's in his like chip on his shoulder era,

which again, it's like, hey, it's kind of entertaining. So this video went around on the Everything app earlier this week. We're just now finding out, and I'm quoting a Brittany Romine's article here on mbcsports.com, but a gentleman by the name of Luke Potter University of Texas men's golfer he just won the John hate invitational across the street at Sawgrass Country Club

think he's top 60 in the amateur rankings. Is that right? Yeah, he is the one that heckled Rory after hitting it in the water on in a practice round. And he said just like the 2011 Masters and if everybody saw the video of Rory walked up to the guy, took his phone and just walked off and I'm still unsure what happened after that. But super, super weird energy. Also super weird that it was a college golfer that I assume has aspirations to be a pro was the one heckling Rory out on the golf course.

But yeah, I'm not sure to be a pro was the one heckling Rory out on the golf course. But Yeah, I didn't I'm not sure I understood this move from right exactly but so yeah, listen, this is not It's yeah, this is just unbecoming but it's like he went over and the video I saw I went over and was like Can I see your phone? So I just kind of like let's him take his phone He just walks off with it and I guess the kid ended up getting his phone back and he got, he got kicked out. But it's like, what? Seven years ago, you know, I remember being at, or, eh, it's probably like four years ago. I remember being at the players and somebody yelled something at Patrick Reed

and, you know, had them escorted out. And it was like, that's really lame from Patrick Reed. And it's like, you know what? I'm gonna say the same thing here. It's like, I think that's really lame. I think it's like, does he need to say that? No, like is the kid being a douche bag? Yes, but it's like,

or just like walk on, who gives a shit, man? Like that just feel, and to take his phone, it's just like, what are we doing? Why waste your energy on this bullshit? And then we have Chris Powers tweeted this earlier. A reporter asked Rory about it. He said, can I ask you about the shenanigans with the fan yesterday? Rory said, no, you can't because I don't want you to. Shane Ryan asked another question and Rory responded with, I'm very happy with my 67 today. So if you're going to like steal somebody's phone or just take somebody's

phone away from them and walk away, like obviously the clips going to get posted everywhere. This happened in public and you don't want to address it at all. Like again, kind of just weird energy. Like it's hard to get like super worked up about it, but it's just a weird energy. Um, it does feel like he's kind of has a me against the world vibe, which candidly if that helps them play better golf and you know, rattle off a win at the, you know, Pebble Beach that like maybe it's maybe

that maybe he needs to be a little bit more of a like a dick and that makes him play better like sign me up but it's also like I'm not gonna say like, oh, I'm not gonna give him a pass for taking the guys phone like that's just lame. I feel like he should have just told the kid to fuck off. Yes exactly let's just go all the way Randy 100 let's just go all the way with it just be like hey man fuck you. Hey man fuck off and walk away and it's also like a Tuesday practice round you know it's like I don't know. Well we've got a commoner saying like no people need to be held accountable for their shitty behavior. I agree with that.

I'm not saying that this kid should have done that. I have no, I'm not the person that's gonna yell or, I think that is just as lame, just as lame, but I don't think two wrongs don't make a right here is kind of what I'm getting at. It's like Rory should not handle it that way. That's just, it's a waste of his energy, his time, and then to like,

then like, I'm not going to answer questions about it. It's like, well, you kind of like, you know, kind of got to face the music a little bit maybe, but maybe you don't. I don't know. I just think the whole thing is just a fucking waste of energy. A fair question in the comments is what if Bryson did this? And I think Yes, exactly. It's like, I would say that is really lame I said the exact same thing of like that is like, you know childish and Unnecessary and like get thicker skin or to Randy's point. Tell him to fuck off. Yeah, you know Continuing the weird energy Maybe I found this just a little bit weird. I don't know if you guys did it

It's all but he was asked about the head of the creator classic He was asked as somebody who's involved in TGL himself. How much attention do you pay? To the YouTube generation here like the fat Perez's grant Horvat Do you look at the look at that at all where he said not really I'm not of that generation I'd much rather watch pure competitive. I'd much rather watch this tournament on Saturday and Sunday than watch YouTube golf Another question is there any fascination with how many eyeballs are on that stuff right now? Roy said, I'm happy for the people that enjoy it, but I enjoy something else. You want to talk about a true me and Rory. I've never felt closer with the guy. You're just upsetting that your name is on the huge info with the YouTube, uh, the creator

with the creators, man. No, I would say this. I think, uh, Randy, I agree with you a hundred percent. The first part of the answer. I'm like, hell yeah. Like, that's totally fine. Now, what I don't believe is the second part of the answer. And the reason why is like, you are the co-founder and owner of the TGL, which is basically trying to do the same thing as all this YouTube golf stuff of like, you know, I've watched 45 interviews the last three months about growing the game through alternative ways to watch golf. So for you to then say that, like, you don't, you aren't, fascination might not be, is there any fascination? Probably not fascination. I got to think you're, you're, you're looking at it because you're probably looking at the ratings for the TGL.

And then it's like, it looks like a lot of attention on, you know, some of these YouTube you're looking at it because you're probably looking at the ratings for the TGL and then it looks like a lot of attention on some of these YouTube channels. So that's the part where I'm like, I don't know if I buy the second part. But the first part, you want to watch it? Hell yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. I think the first part, I'm like, yeah, I would not expect him to sit around and watch

YouTube golf as much golf as he takes in, like taking in more content. No, that's the point being like you're in the entertainment industry and you like it's a little bit of a if I was him, I would you know, at least be curious about what people you're in the entertainment industry, both on the PGA tour and with TGL. I'd be super curious about what the audience is probably trying to reach finds entertaining about that product, right? And what kind of connection PGA Tour and TGL can make with that product that has been very successful. That's not hard to say. Well, it just seems like to that point, Solly, I agree with you. It feels like an unnecessarily prickly answer.

Right. It's like, huh, why don't you just say, oh, no, it seems like they're doing great. Like that's that's, you know, I'm not I don't have time to watch it. I hope they're more political. Maybe I should I should seek it out. And then I guess on top of that is like, I remember I feel like it was just yesterday. He's shouting out fried egg, like course videos, you know, for like the baby was like the L.A. The US Open at L.A. Country Club, you know, like, so it's like, wait a second, dude, I feel like you were kind of. I think it's probably in a different category than like Fat Perez. It is, but if you start to say like YouTube golf stuff, it almost feels like he's thrown a complete change of course here. And again, I think it's like, yo, if you don't want to watch YouTube golf,

that is totally fine with me. But it also seems like he bristles by being asked about it. It's like, well, you're trying to set up like a, basically a pro version of an influencer league right now. Like it feels like that would be good competitive market Intel for you. Anyway. Yeah. And then lastly, we don't have to dive into much of this one, but it basically

shot, it completely shot down the idea of playing the champions tour, uh, which obviously irked a lot of champions tour guys. Um, you know, I found Ernie's comments certainly interesting. He said at 35 years old, I was bulletproof saying things about, I'm not playing past 50. And he says I'm 55 now and laughing at my comments from back then. Uh, he said, champion store golf is fulfilling with a great bunch of players. We all grew up together from junior golf. Our sponsors and partners are wonderful companies and people. Competition is a powerful tool.

Hell yeah, Ernie. I found that part interesting of like, yeah, and Ernie's peak would have been like, are you going to play the Champions Tour? That's so lame. But like your kind of generation graduates into that. Like you're still playing against the same guys, same rivalries and all that stuff to say. I wouldn't be surprised if Roy doesn't play, but I also wouldn't. He said this as well. Look, I've said a lot of absolutes in my time that I've walked back, but I do not envision playing champions toward golf. I just found that to be. It does. Some of these comments though, they feel and the phone thing. Yeah, it just, it feels like punching down which is like I don't it just feels like a little it just feels like he was wired why are you

doing that and now Randy I've been thinking about this because I was also like champions to her golf probably shouldn't exist how it does you know it's like I also am like yeah man no we don't need the champions tour but it'd be so easy just be like how I'm, I haven't thought about it. Like I'll, you know, that's not, that hasn't been on my mind. I'd have to evaluate that when I'm 48, you know, like the, but I'm starting to realize like your journey with, and I'm not saying that Rory is in Mickelson territory with me, but like,

I'm still very hyped for him to win the masters. Like, I still find myself like today watching the mega group being like, I'm still very hyped for him to win the Masters. Like I still find myself like today watching the mega group and like, hell yeah, Rory, like building around like separating the human and the golfer, you know, is like, it's, it's an interesting, it's a fascinating, like psychological thing for, for somebody to have to figure out. Cause it's like, yeah, I'm reading all this stuff. I'm like, this is, it sounds like a dick, but I'm still free for it. Which I do want to interject and just say, I, no matter how you feel about the specifics of his answers,

I'm so glad he gave these answers. Cause they're so much more interesting than just coming up and saying, I haven't thought about it. I'll think about what I'm 48, you know, like that would never make the radar of things we discuss. You know, when, when, when you draw that little parallel with Mikkelsen, yeah man, part of why I like them is he told you

what was on his mind and he didn't just give canned cliches all the time. And I actually commend Rory for doing all of this. Whether you agree or not, that's where the discussion can be, but I'm so glad he said this. Yeah, and it's almost like, I'm not trying to put off that he's turning heel. He's just like turning like a super mild heel. You know what I mean?

Like I said, it's just weird energy. No, it's angsty. He's in his angsty era. It just feels like it's angsty. And I also got to like, how much over everything must he feel? You know? Oh, yeah, some of that self-created for sure for sure which is where it feels like he's lashing out and it kind of want to be like hey man like yeah you're

the one changing your mind on a lot of this stuff I didn't nobody told you to think this yeah anyway you're right though Randy it is it gives us something to discuss for the last 15 minutes so that's that that thrills and delights me. I know, no truly. Anything else you guys wanna get to? I know we were trying to keep tonight's show, keep tonight's show tight. Anything else lasting and burning before we, before we head?

Well, anything golf wise? I don't think I have much else golf wise from today. Okay, I just wanted to say John Feinstein passed away today. I did want to shout that out. I've read several of his books. I wanted to specifically mention Season on the Brink, which follows, I believe, the 85-86 Indiana Hoosiers team is one of my favorites. That's a great read. And then I really like his Tales from Q School is also

another seminal book that I don't know really deepened my my fandom of golf. But those are two. So RIP to John Feinstein. I need to pick up season on the brink. I've never read it. That's that'll be a good my next my next read, Randy. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Shout out to John Feinstein. No, you want to give us a Nest shout out as we move to wrap here? I would love to. It's a great time to join the Nest. It's our community of avid golfers. You can do that at nolayingup.com forward slash join.

But you know what I want to shout out because it's a little bit more pressing is the No Laying Up Pro Shop. We've got a lot of good stuff in there and we're running a 20% off sale this week till Sunday because of you, Solly. I was going to do it if you won the Creator Cup yesterday and I decided I'd do it anyway because you came in second and you battled and it's a total story of redemption. It's 20% off site wide. We don't do it. We never do it unless it's Black Friday, Cyber Monday. The code is sauce. All caps sauce, Randy. Okay. 20% off.

Can you stack those codes or? No, you can't stack the codes and it's a one time code. So get in there. Go grab a haul. We got some good stuff in the pro shop right now. This here hat's in there. We've got some of these Wallace hoodies from H&B, some good H&B stuff. So go check it out. We're still a small shop, but Casey, TC, Jordan, myself, we've been working really hard to kind of refresh the shop, work on some new, we did a little brand refresh, work on some new logos. And I'm excited about what's coming later this year, but right now, the last two months, a lot of hard work and there's some good stuff in there. So store.nolayingup.com code is sauce, which is for 20% off through Sunday. Well, that went way better than the Fandle ad went last night.

Listen, man, somebody threw in like the ringer thing and the disclaimer. Like I don't know. I just totally froze up and I was like, well, I feel like, and then you know what goes through your head? I feel like I had to say some type of disclaimer or else we're going to get sued. So I was like, plug it. I'm putting it on Bill Simmons in the ringer, but clearly like it got copied and pasted over. And I don't know, Randy, I was burning last night because I'm so fired up about how I know TV car and I

didn't I read through the I actually tweaked the row back ad but I didn't tweak the fan dual one because it's like you know legalese and I don't gonna mess with it but Cody you weren't around you weren't around to save my ass man well that was on me I think Sally and I are the ones that handle majority of the ad copies when they come through and Usually we find a mysterious one in there every once in a while, but we clean it up. I'm sorry I'm not blaming anybody. It was my fault. I didn't check the the it sounded like you just said Cody It's because I was saying you weren't there to save me I was saying I was saying that it's totally my fault, but it was like it was awesome

It did not go well it just didn't go well, and it was like no it didn't and what was tough is I I'm sitting here. Do I jump in do I save them? Do I just let this go? How long do I need to let this go? It was really hard for me. I don't really like the formatting when those show up. I don't know There's this it just it's I should have rewritten it for myself but it's like again I didn't want to touch that this, it just, it's, I should've rewritten it for myself, but it's like, again, I didn't wanna touch that one because it could get a little dicey with the, you know, don't wanna get the lawyers involved.

People need to go watch it. It's an incredible, you can see Neil's brain working. Fuck. As he's reading it. Really, I was like, finger.com. Let's go, let's go, let's go. It was like, fandalsportsbook.com. You know, and I messed up, like,

I was looking for a website, like a call to action. I was like, oh, no, it's download the Fandil Sport. You know, it's like, just read what's on the Pelopropter, man. Read it. I totally panicked. Totally panned up. I totally panicked. Job ain't that easy, is it, Neil?

Anyways, thanks for the opportunity. It's just, you know, sometimes you can mess it up. Thanks everyone for tuning in. Thanks to HiNoon. Thanks to H&B. Thanks to all of our Nest members as well. As mentioned, you can go to nolangup.com slash join. You are supporting all of our NOU content from Strap, Deep Dive, special projects you

unlock, access to all of our Nest exclusive content, including the monthly Nest podcast, extra videos, every thread on our refuge message board, get 15% off every order in the pro shop year round and exclusive Nest member discounts from our sponsors get 25% off golf trips, golf pride, you're stacking a Nest ad on top of the pro shop. This is what you were supposed to read. No, no, I was just, I was going on the fly insert another one.

You just double added people. You mess were supposed to read. No, no, I was just I was going on the fly insert another one You just double added people you mess up another ad read. I had to cover up another messed up ad read from no Listen, I run both of these divisions. I could pick and choose which ad we read. I love it You know what Casey sent this over do this one Thursday. That's what was said Well, I disagree with Casey. I think we should have done the pro shop one today I think it's more more pressing because now you're throwing Casey under the wall. I'm not. Cody did a great job. I made a decision. This is too much. This is too much. Guys. Great Thursday. We're going to be back at the conclusion of every round. Sorry. Appreciate you being back in the hosting seat. You got to get your recovery score up,

buddy. We were talking about it before. You got to find some time to get a nap. Brandy, I appreciate you. Neil, I'm happy to be back in the seat. We're going to be here three more days of this, boys. I'm not. This is the last time you're going to see me. I'm sure people are like, thank God. I might not. I don't know. I will see. I got my son's first birthday on Sunday. Got all the whole families in town. So I actually, you know, just might not. I'm actually going to Pete's birthday. So I don't know if I can make it. Randy, you're invited. Come on to Brooklyn, man. Come on. We're having a pizza party for little Pete. You know, you get it. You see what I did there? That's my wife's joke.

All right. That is it. We are done. We'll see you back. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you back here tomorrow.