No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 100: Presidents Cup Recap with Kyle Porter

Episode Date: October 2, 2017

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Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no laying up podcast episode 100 we are keeping it 100 we made it no better way to celebrate number 100 than the guy that I think has been on the record amount of times Kyle Porter we bring you in for the big gun events I don't I'm not positive if we should be bringing you in for a president's cup recap.

Rohri was coming for me there with with the podcast number over the first hundred. I, I, I just typed out a bunch of the, the hundred emojis to you earlier today. I was fired up to, to be back. I think this is my, what, what is this like, 12, 13 something like that? I think it is, might be 13. I lost track there for a little while. Yeah, I did too.

We could have taped this on Thursday night after the president's cup ended, but we waited until Sunday. All right, this was what I wrote down to do. I want to do all positive stuff first with the president's cup because everyone's gonna do a podcast that comes out Monday and it's just gonna be tearing down the president's cup. And the more that I a podcast that comes out Monday and it's just going to be tearing down the president's cup. And the more that I actually watched it, the more I'm kind of, I'm not, let's say like,

I'm on board, but it's not as bad as probably, I made it seem on Twitter and how it's bad as most people made it seem on Twitter. So. Right. What are you, what are some positive takeaways you took from this past, this four day experience? Well, the first one, and you tweeted about this, and I experienced it as well. Saturday afternoon was awesome. Like, the matches on Saturday afternoon were, um, were tremendous. And, you know, and, and like you said, people are going to

reference, like, I mean, it's just the same old thing. Like, international team needs to be deeper and, and whatever. But to me, the real kind of story here, and this will be oversold and overwrought and all the overs that it can be, is that the United States has implemented sort of this infrastructure that is setting it up for long-term success in international team play. And it happened from all people, from Phil Mickelson back in 2014.

And so you have that part of it, but they also got, they kind of hit the jackpot with the Daniel Burgers, the Brooks Capkis, the George obviously,, Speed and Read and all these young guys that are really great. So to me, that was sort of a, this week was sort of a continuation of that. Um, but as for the, the on course play, I, I tweeted this, Ricky Fowler and Justin Thomas together is, is awesome. Like, I love that pairing together. Speed and Read, they did their thing and whatever. DJ Capka, I love that DJ's time kind of gets split between Capka and Koocher and whoever.

So I feel like you have some real, just as the European side does. You have some real legitimate pairings going forward into these team events. This is why our episodes are the worst because the first thing I wrote down was how impressed I was with the captaincy, the pairings, and I wrote down J.T. Rick, Speed, Reheat, DJ, Capca, and DJ Kooch. Because, I mean, what you said, that would be perfect sense.

We were kind of craving this consistency with the team. And then I'm watching that all the captains sit there making the picks. And again, it's a president's cup. The results of it doesn't really matter that much. Honestly, if the US team lost this event, there'd be no panic on my end. There's not like, there's not that much competitive stake in it.

But I just, I enjoyed watching that kind of operation and watching Tiger be so involved with it. And kind of stricter turned to Tiger Tiger like asking for affirmation on the final selections and how they just kind of seemed to have had this whole thing planned out. There was never, I mean, there was no reason to panic because they were smashing them, but I don't see just feel and we were texting about this in our group and I think yeah, by about minute 14 of this, we're going to turn it into writer cut preview, but just gives you such, such confidence going forward that these

guys have at least, they have a lot more talent than they had three years ago, five years ago, all that. And now they kind of have the leadership that that consistency with it. And it's not going to be a Tom Watson's going to come in rogue and kind of blow things up. And the players are involved in the process and just kind of how that whole operation worked. I was impressed at how worked at Hazel team. I kind of was I was I was skeptical with getting that many kind of big name guys in a room They're on a team together coming to the proper conclusions and they they seem to do it

And these guys seem to get along and we see Phil and Tiger hugging on the 18th green today And I mean, it's I don't know. I think there's just so many reasons to be encouraged and I mean I couldn't I was I was Before the final putt drop ready to trash talk team Europe for next year, but I mean I was just that was just that was fun to watch and they were very asked on the pod if I was excited for the presence And I said no, but I was excited to see this US team see how they got on and that's exactly what it ended up being And the presence cup itself did not really deliver but but the team did, and that was fun to watch. Well, and you've gotten some consistency with your leadership, right?

It's not like, I feel like all these events used to be like, oh, this guy used to be like a great player. So let's bring him in and maybe he'll be a good captain. And it's like, no, they did. You have to have some sort of philosophical consistency with your people. And they now have that with your Davis love, your Jim Furik. And I think kind of the underground take

that Mayor may not be true, is that Tiger and Phil are just running everything. Like one of my favorite lead-ins to this Presidents Cup was that Phil was like it was up for debate whether or not he was going to be a captain's pick. Come on. Phil's not going to be left off of one of these teams no matter how he plays during the season until he's like 58. He's just going to... and he shouldn't, he's 3-0-1 this president's cup. Not that the president's cup record means that much, but I just, I don't know, there's consistency with the leadership and somebody on Twitter said this, it might have been

Shippinguck, they've kind of stolen what the Europeans have done and they've made it their own and they have the guys to do it. Now it doesn't mean anything if you don't have players, but they have the players to do it. And I don't, I mean, it's, it's seems set for the long term. Yeah. And I mean, again, going back to the, the, the, the present's cup itself, you know, we kind of joke about it as fans a bit and, you know, whatever the US is 10, 1 and 1 in the event or whatever it is. But the players seem to love it. And, you know, whatever the US is 10, 1, and 1 in the event or whatever it is. But the players seem to love it. And talking to some of the guys,

like they do get up for it. Again, not necessarily the competition and the rivalry, but those guys had fun this week. It might have been attributed to the beat down that they put on them. But I mean, just watching those guys at the press conferences and watching them cheer. And for some guys, there were six

what six presidents cup rookies. Like I have trouble counting like Keppka is a rookie in this event, which I heard he was left off the 2015 team. I forget how that went down, but like just seeing Thomas and Burger kind of their first team event, how much they got into it, how much they just delivered the energy and treated it like it was a rider cup from a emotional standpoint. Like Patcha Greed, like DJ, they were not letting out the loose, the crazy rider cup celebration. So I come, guys, we've been on the big show, but J.T. and Berger, they were jacked up. That was fun to watch. It really was. And then, yeah, I

guess that Saturday afternoon, once we, once the result was over, those matches were lit. Like they were a really good match. Again, it didn't have an impact on the final score, but man, I wish somebody was there to see my reaction with Lahiri Tiger Boy. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. It was, like, okay, so my wife and kids are out of town for the week. So I'm basically

By myself live-boggine tweeting this thing and I started looking around in my house like did is there ain't like did anyone in the neighborhood see Honorable hearing go full like Infatic 2,000 tiger pointing at the cup and and fist pumping and it's like you guys are you guys are down like like 10 It was I Loved it. It was incredible. I love it. Oh, yeah, I'm top of that you got you got see Woo Kim going full Patrick read on Sunday Down not only was his team down 11 he was down day, not only was his team down 11, he was down to and his match and ended up being the losing point for the US team to clinch.

He doesn't care. That guy wins the playoffs, shaping shit by three. And I don't even think I heard him talk that week. And then this week he's like out of his mind. I thought it was awesome. And good for those guys. Those matches are a big deal to them, especially being Siwukim's first time,

but I'm with you on Burger and Thomas. It was cool to see those guys jacked up for the event and dude, Thomas is a badass. He is obviously employer of the year, FedEx Cup, PGA Championship, but I don't know. He is awesome and he's gonna be a lot of fun Obviously, in part of the year, FedEx Cup, PGA Championship, but I don't know. He is awesome and he's going to be a lot of fun to watch in Paris. And Johnny made a great point on the broadcast and it's something I've always been impressed

with when it comes to him was how good he is at reading greens. And really, he scares the whole so often. And at one point, Johnny was critiquing the manner in which the ball went in the hole. He said, yeah, he makes a lot of putts like on the side of the hole. Yeah, like really, we are now critiquing the entry point of which he makes the ball go in the hole. That's not a theory. I have to give props because he halfway through his first round watch I think was Friday. He like Nick Price tried to like console him in the fairway.

He was playing so bad and he like stiff arms. Nick Price, he like waved him off. Like I don't want to talk to anyone. And after that, he have the match. Or let's see, did he win the match? Did he win the, when the afternoon match yesterday or no, he had, they have it. Right. Yeah, he went the, when the afternoon match yesterday or no he had, they have it. Right. Yeah, he went one, one and one.

No, they won. They won on afternoon four ball. Then he won the last two holes today in singles to go one, one and one, which might have been the best record on the international team for all I can tell. But he played really well. And those guys, they treated, oh, sorry, someone actually uses facts

but he He played his ass off. It was that was awesome to watch I did get called a racist for making fun of him for pointing at the cup, which is just fun But it was it was just too funny. Yeah, I was very reasonable response, but That was just that was the greatest moment in the Seawoo Kim thing today, man We just erupted I was watching my dad. We just like erupted and laughter Yeah, it was awesome. I like also like the Thursday start, you know rather than the Friday doing 36 holes Saturday 36 holes like the writer cup I like breaking the first two sessions into Thursday Friday. What do you think?

I actually wish they would flip the the Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup and make the Ryder Cup Thursday through Sunday. I feel like the Ryder Cup last year, it just felt, I mean, you and I could do 10 podcasts about that Ryder Cup, but it's so condensed and it's so, there's so much intensity,

it's like, we need some time to just breathe and think. And maybe that's part of it. Maybe that's part of why the Ryder Cup's great, but I'm with you and that I wish that it was spaced out more. And yet with the president's cup, it felt like, and especially this year, if you had a better cup, it would be different, but it was like, oh my gosh,

I just want this to be over with. So, yes, I think ultimately I'm with you. I wish that it was Thursday through Sunday. It's only, these events are only once every two years and you shouldn't try to make them, you should try to make them as many days as possible instead of as few. So I agree with you on that. I also love how they do the pairings where it's alternating and you can, in some capacity, match up guys against each other.

I think they'll be fascinating for the Ryder Cup, rather than blind. I mean, come on, there's a lot more strategy element that goes into when you actually pair them up against each other, battleship style. I just want that dynamic again of big cats sitting up there with Furek and stuff for the pairings next year.

I think that'll be fascinating. So those are the two things I would bring from the presents cup to the rider cup. So I think it's as close as positive we are. I know. It's as close as any event will ever get to your dream of the match play where everybody gets in a room and and the number one guy gets to call out who he wants to play in the first round. That will never happen. I don't think until your commissioner of the PGA tour, this is close enough. Keith Pelley would green like that in a heartbeat.

Anything that you throw at the European tour they put into play like within the next three days. I think Keith Pelley would greenlight our idea of making players choose media members to play the event for them. That would be, if the gap gets, the league gets too big, that should be a rule. Like there should have had to have been, we should have had to play alternate shot

with like Kevin Kisner today That would have made it Which I was gonna ask you which which player would you most on the on the American side would you most want to play with? I don't know price at all. I think that'd be just so much fun to do the three amigos to answer them when we lose six and five on the 12th Green or whatever lose six and five on the 12th green or whatever. I think I'm pretty sure the event was played in a location near Manhattan. Was that's the vibe I got from the broadcast? Was that, did you pick up on that? So part of me feels bad for, I mean, we talked to Shane Bacon, and these guys are on the

air forever, and they got to fill up stuff, and it's, it's legitimately hard. And the other part of me is like, we gotta find something else to talk about. And you and I were texting about this, like throw it to bones. Just let him just riff on like guys hitting, you know, Pell's nine irons or whatever. Like I just, yeah, it was, it was not good. They took a ferry. I don't know if you heard that. There was a ferry in full.

They did. Well, here's the thing though, like that, a lot of that stuff was actually really cool. And I get, the skyline shots and stuff were tremendous. The ferry aspect is pretty awesome. It just got rammed down our throat so much. And again, I know we're the people that watched almost every minute of this thing for some reason. And the casual viewer may not see it if they tune in every other hour. I get that. But I don't know. The whole idea though that you need to be talking

about something all the time just kind of gets lost on me. Because I don't need a ton of explanation behind that. And for the amount of shots that were missed, doing a lot of fluff stuff and commercials, and we'll get into the broadcast a bit later. But I don't know, I just think that, you know, priority over showing golf shots versus kind of cramming the narratives down. It's just a lot of things that I don't know, but I don't know, I don't know,

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I get into the broadcast a bit later. But I don't know. I just think that priority over showing golf shots versus kind of cramming the narratives down. It just has like that, I don't know, just that forced narrative stink to it,

that kind of ruined it, because like they said, honestly, the shots, the skyline and stuff in that setting was pretty amazing with the Statue of Liberty there and all that. So I did think that was cool. They just kind of ramed it. All right, guys, a quick break to remind you that with our friends at Calaway are giving away

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Get to this here quickly. We're going to be choosing a winner shortly. But one again, emphasize that we're going to be doing a lot more video stuff. And we want you guys to see it. I thought the most compelling part of the broadcast all week actually was with speed getting the penalty on Saturday for picking up Ustazen's ball and then Big cat marching in with his with his earpiece and like he was like you know on on like a seat like a call of duty mission and That by the way, did you see the rules officials say I'm not talking to you. This is between me and Jordan Yeah, I did see that and that guy is floating in the Hudson somewhere by the way.

That was unbelievable. Like get out of here, Ty. Yeah, it was, that part of it was great, but I thought that was the most maybe dramatic compelling thing that happened maybe the entire week. This might surprise you. I thought that ruling was like spot on. Really? Yeah. I think the rule states that you can't touch an opponent's ball in motion.

There's nothing within the rule that says like, and it's impossible to kind of write the rule to say, you know, that the ball is clearly not going in the hole or doesn't matter. You just can't touch, I think it's pretty cut and dry. You can't touch an opponent's ball while it's in motion. And they'd have to write the rule very specifically for that exact situation, for that to not be the rule. And I just think that the ref properly applied the rule without a doubt, if you ask me.

Yeah, that, yeah, that, I mean, that's a compelling argument because when you apply rules to you can't just In the moment for everyone that didn't see it. Let's set the scene for people that didn't see it like The International's were already in for a three on the 12th hole right? I think it was 12th. Oh, yeah par four and Louis was chipping for three for some reason or putting for three. I don't even remember exactly why he was. I think he was chipping for eagle, right? Oh, he was in there. You're right.

You're right. Okay. It was chipping for eagle, but they were already in for three. So the next shot didn't matter. His shot rolls past the hole. It's about the role in the water. And Speed said, like, you know, guys were, they were almost cheering for the ball. The crowd was like cheering for the ball to go in the, in the, in the water.

And he's just like, I'll pick it this up because this is kind of stupid. Which is a, a reasonable reaction from Speed, but again, you just can't touch an opponent's ball that's in motion. So I think the ref properly applied the rule. Could they rewrite the rule, sure? But I don't, I can't remember

if this rule ever coming up. So it's hard for me to sit here and grandstand and say, how could this be a rule when I didn't even know this was a rule? So I don't know, I didn't think it was that good deal. I just wish it would happen in the heat of Sunday singles matches at the Ryder Cup next year. It's tied like 13 all, and that comes up. That would be fantastic.

I just, I'm a speed fan, that shouldn't be go without saying, but I just didn't, I just, I'm a speed fan. That shouldn't be go without saying, but I just didn't like how that whole thing went down. I didn't like his reaction to it and how he was kind of getting upset at the official. And I was like, the guy called the rule on you and you clearly broke it. I don't know. I just didn't sit great with me. I get that it's kind of competitive juices and whatnot, but I don't know. The whole thing felt kind of weird.

Well, there was a great moment that I don't know if anybody noticed, but so all the players are standing around the official and cats there with these microphone and earpiece and whatever, and Ustazen and Reed kind of got into this like back and forth. And I don't really know what it was about. I think on another whole, like one of them had picked up Readsball or something had happened.

And they were talking and it picked it up. And at the very end, Re just rolled his eyes, like he couldn't believe that they were, you know, that Usezen would try to come at him at this, you know, at this home-traumatic American. Yeah, exactly. So that was an unintended benefit that we got out of all the. Yeah, I did see the little eye roll from read and that.

And that was, yeah, that was just a weird scene. It was didn't end up being that big of a deal. But, yeah. And one thing also, I just wanted to note that, you know, I think the president's cup in general, it's certainly better than nothing this time of year, you know, which would be like the alternative to not having the president's cup in general, it's certainly better than nothing this time of year, you know, which would be like the alternative to not having the president's cup.

I know that me, my whole thing have played the writer cup every year will never happen, but it's entertainment. It is an exhibition. It's not like a steep history rivalry, but it is entertainment. It's, you know, I still tuned into watch it. I didn't watch in 15.

I was protesting Keppka not getting selected on the team and Bill Huss or Jay Huss choosing his son, but we won't rehash that one. I just didn't want to watch it. This year was, I don't know, it was entertainment. I thought it was, it was okay. It was, it was an okay event and fun to watch, even if it's not that close.

Yeah, it's sort of, you know, I think it's, so I think there are a lot of people that watch the Ryder Cup who don't watch the president's Cup. Somebody was talking about this. I think it was, oh, it was, it was Andy on the Friday egg. He was talking about how one of his buddies, he's like, I'm more of a Ryder Cup guy than anything. Like, there are people that watch only the Ryder Cup and maybe like the Masters, I think.

And so, if you're into the Ry writer cup, this is such a great event to see like, hey, who am I going to be rooting for next year? What is Daniel Berger all about in a team event? What is Justin Thomas all about in a team event? I think that part of it, not that it's like a, necessarily like a warm up for the writerder Cup, but it is a sort of a preview of the future of American team golf. And I think that part of it is super compelling. I mean, even to see somebody like Kevin Kizner, you know, man, that guy would be awesome on a Ryder Cup team. He was great this week, by the way, him. He was so good. He carried Phil along for his two days. He did. I mean, he did. Phil hit some shaky shots. He really did. And Kisner was absolutely

nails. Every time they put, she put them on TV, he was absolutely nails. I was so impressed by Kisner. That was one of the main things I wanted to, I wrote down to highlight was how good Kisner was. His record, he was 202 ended up being because he kind of threw his match away, singles match today. But man, but man, he was very impressive. And Charlie Hoffman and Kevin Chappell were pretty good as well. That was, I thought it was interesting that they got paired together. It feels like, you know, the US is sort of on this rotation of it's like, hey, you're not breaking into the speed through you group.

You're not, you know, maybe now that's the same thing with Justin Thomas and Ricky Fowler. So the new guys, like are Charlie Hoppin and Kevin Kizner on the on the writer cup team next year? I don't know. But whoever those two guys are, like, maybe they just roll them out there together and see what happens and they can kind of create their own chemistry. The moment of the event was on 17 on Saturday, when Hoppin chips inman chips in and Chappell's caddy almost gets decapitated on the on the oh he got close-line it was so good the video that is so good that whole celebration was just amazing Waldo and Hoffman had the worst chest bump in golf history which is saying something that chip in and that that was what followed it was the leery point.

Like, that was the whole highlight of the entire weekend. Was that 70th whole Saturday afternoon? No, they did. So, Chappell was one, one and one, and Hoffman was one and two is what, how I had it. So, I thought they were, they were okay. I didn't think they were, they didn't think they necessarily blew me away.

They came out just banging on Friday, they won six and five, but they didn't win any matches after that. But they were solid team members. That's kind of what you want on the back end of your team. Let's just call what they are. They were on the back end of the team and they performed adequately, most definitely. Yeah, yeah, I agree. What did you think of?

The US team just had no guys drop the ball. And that's so important. You can't have that guy that goes O and three, and they did not have that guy. That's just what crushed Europe and Hazel team. That's what crushed the international's. Guys, they just put up a big goose egg. I just destroyed you.

And the US did not have those guys. Sorry, what were you gonna ask? I was gonna ask what we were talking about the ending there on 17. Would you think about the way that the the course finished on 18 Just just that closing hole. Did you like it or not? No, I didn't it was kind of it was such like a a par hole like it wasn't it wasn't an easy par three And it wasn't like a really hard par three and it just I don't know It didn't set guys up to you know step up and really stick one because of the where they put those pins were

Very inaccessible and some guys hit really great shots on that hole today on Sunday and you know The you can't really get it close to that pin and you want to give guys at least a chance to hit a great shot and get to that pin and I don't know no it just Everything that came down to the 18th whole was kind of disappointment aside from Phil making that put on Friday afternoon when they did the three Amigos celebration, which was just just making a mockery of the international at that point. The faces of the American players on the sideline when they went into that celebration were just priceless. Like, they started to run out on the green and then they all froze and their jaws dropped and then they saw it and they started cracking up.

That's when it was like, all right guys, we're up 56-nothing and we just scored a touchdown and we just ran into the crowd. This is a bit too much. I thought maybe the tweet of the week had come from that Celebrate I think it was during that celebration when or maybe it was the day before I don't remember when To fill made a putt and tiger had his his fist rays in the background and somebody tweeted it at us and said because tiger was in his His all white gear They said that

Tiger was ready for his Arctic mission on Call of Duty. I was running. Oh, I was running. Oh, I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running.

I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was running. I was, I love tiger in these events, man.

He really, I really just think everything that he does in the Miss hilarious, he shows up just looking absolutely jacked, wearing like six different earpieces. I don't even know who he's talking to. Everybody else is on that green. There's no one else he's even on an earpiece with at that point, but he's so good for these teams. I really do think that.

That's got to be such a, I might be over-generalizing it, but there's kind of got to be a mini, a little bit of an intimidation factor if you're on the opposing team when Tiger's standing there watching you hit, isn't there? Well, I don't think it's that as much as it is kind of just a confidence builder for the US team. Like if you're Daniel Berger and freaking Tiger Woods comes up to you and is like, you know, whatever,

exful of lace thing he says to you, I mean, maybe the best player of all time, getting you fired up for this team of in. I think that is, that's invaluable. And I think that it's been you know we'd it's so easy to joke about you know tiger and I saw somebody tweet that a picture of him and Obama and Obama like the caption being that Obama said my I'm good on security detail I don't need any extra but like it's so easy to joke about. But I think he has legitimately been

beneficial to the US team at these events. And I think he's so into it. Like he, and we've seen this, I think, in him trying to come back, he craves that companionship, that friendship, because those are the only guys in the world that he can be friends with and be normal with. And so he's super into it. He wants to learn. He's gonna be a captain someday. And I don't know, I'm just 100% in on Tiger Bean at these team events.

Did you see Berger's interview on Saturday? Oh yeah. Like he said. and I quote this is after they're up 14 and a half to three and a half said I mean our goal from the minute we got here was to crush them as bad as we can. I hope that we close them out today and we go out there tomorrow and beat them even worse. Oh my God. He's winning. This guy's witnessed murders before. I mean, there is so much self-righteousness in the sport of golf that, oh, you gotta do

things this way or that. Like, that's great. Like, it's great if it doesn't get carried over to, like, not, like treating international team members like poorly on the course. And you saw him in C. Wu Kim today. They're fist bumping after C. Wu gives, you know, shushes the crowd.

And like, I think this is something that I've kind of picked up on or maybe just been made more aware of from covering this stuff is like, these guys are out there to compete, yes, but they're also out there partly for the show, for the entertainment aspect of it. And they know, they understand that they're putting on a show.

And I don't know, I love it. I thought that was fantastic. Keppka kept going two and two, but that I felt like I was watching a guy that looked like a stalwart in these events. He was really steady. I don't know what happened. He was a couple up on Scott today and he had to concede several holes on the back nine today. I don't know how he ended up losing that on Scott today,

but he lost his opening match, but in the middle, he played fantastic, and just a guy that we can pencil in 100% for France. DJ was a machine for O and one. We just got to go down the list. I mean, JT, we talked about how amazing he was, and Matsuyama almost chopped 59 today. He was nine under through 12 holes, I think.

And yeah, JT could not keep up with it. JT had like seven birdies, first 10 holes, and was two down after 10. That was impossible. I was waiting for you to start tweeting about how many downhill lies JT had, and just how he couldn't get it going because of all the downhill lines. I think he was trying to leave himself a couple down.

That's a better, that's a good place you want to be, you want to be playing for behind. What was your, what was your tourist, what was your tourist sauce of the week? Oh my god. It might be, I mean, there was so many sea-woose walk on one of his putts on Saturday. I mean, the thing was barely halfway there. And I mean, it was one of the more impressive early walks on a putt that I've ever seen. JT had a really good one out of the bunker. He raised this club up and I walked in. I put a shot from the bunker that actually did go in.

I don't know, I don't know from the bunker that actually did go in. I don't know if what LeHeary did counts. That was like breaking the meter on the sauce meter with what he did there. I think that might be the number one. What was yours? Mine was a runaway winner, was a spieth saying that he missed his wedge shot on purpose on Friday. Or I might have been Saturday morning

because he didn't want, because Reed had told him that he was gonna do a belly flop in the lake if he hold out for the win. And Mike Tureco called it when the ball was in the air. He said, if this goes in, they win the match. It almost, he almost jared it, and then he spun it back, and he barely missed it coming back that way too. And afterwards he said, he said something like, well, I wanted to protect the lake.

So I knew I had to come close, but I wanted to kind of barely miss that one on purpose. I thought that was pretty good. This was right where the time when Bones got on the mic and said, Greller's gonna wanna start pulling some pins here on the back nine, which just, that was all I needed to hear to make my weekend. How good is it? What, bones? Oh, he's so good. Yeah, I said this, I tweeted this just about,

when we got, the match got to the 18th hole on, I'm getting my days of the week confused, I think it was Friday, but he just spelled out exactly what the guys were hitting and was like, nah, he's gonna really need a step on this to get there. And like the guy would come up short with whatever, hitting seven iron. Like he nailed all four guys in the clutch with on the 18th hole and really set the scene perfectly. I just

thought his addition is just fantastic. And NBC really does have like too much talent. They sometimes I forget they have Faraday. Like he does, he's not on the mic that much. He doesn't talk that much. You're like, oh, that's right. They have Faraday. They've got, you know, I think Toreco's fantastic. Dan Hicks is probably the best at play by play.

Johnny Miller's maybe the best at, you know, kind of the color commentary. It's just a stacked, stacked team. So what do you think of Liberty National? Oh, I don't know. I don't, I'm not a huge like golf course architecture guy or anything like that. I thought the visuals were great. I thought it looked cool. I mean, it looked good. I really, I didn't, I'm with you. I didn't love the ending.

These courses are hard to set up because you don't know how many matches you're gonna get to the end, you're gonna get to 18. I thought the most sort of interesting hole in the course, and you got a highlight at this such, but I thought 10 was great, because it's almost like this part three, it was almost its own little just on an island basically because the the course is

everything leads up to it and then everything goes away from it and it's just kind of on its own off the water and guys didn't know what to do there there's wind coming off the water and and there's a bunch of different options there so I thought that part of it was cool. I don't know. I mean, it looked like the same course that they play every week. You know, it was other than like the backdrop. The backdrop was, it got overstated like we talked about, but it was, it was really cool. Like to see guys, you know, doing the, the bash brothers shoulder thing like with the New York skyline and the background. That's pretty cool. Like if I was Kevin Chapo, I'd have that framed and put in my, uh, in my home office.

So yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was fine. I don't, um, I don't know. I don't know if I like there being as much water as there was. I like it. I like I loved Hazel team and these other courses that host these team events where you can score from anywhere. And maybe that makes them too easy and whatever. That's what Justin Rose thinks. But that's that's the whole point of match play, right? Is that you can score from anywhere. Maybe that's why I feel so good at it. And it felt like it just felt like guys were hitting on the water a ton. And I don't know. I don't know if I love that part of it. Yeah, I think if you take the course away from the New York City skyline, it leaves a lot

to be desired. And I'm kind of okay with that for an exhibition event like this in a match play event where the course doesn't need to be the greatest test. It just kind of needs to be fun. I didn't think it was that fun, but I can totally understand the thought process behind going for the New York crowd, the New York City vibe. I just don't think they got that atmosphere out there. I thought I think they were, it's nothing like what Beth Page is going to be like in 2024. And maybe I just don't know New York well enough and maybe the New York city crowd isn't that wild New York crowd that were kind of used to seeing like at Shinnecock

and at Beth Page. But there just didn't, there wasn't that whole New York craziness to the week. At least that's the feeling I got. Again, we weren't there, but usually that atmosphere kind of shines through on TV, don't you think? Yeah, yeah, I agree.

And I think part of that, it would be totally different if it was a Ryder Cup. I think you would be saying maybe the opposite. That was crazy. It gets exacerbated because it's a Ryder Cup. And I think that the other thing that was kind of weird to me is how all the par-fs were on the front nine. I didn't love that.

I thought a Hazel scene last year was great because you had the PAR-5 late, like on 16, where your corpse laid after Rory Boud after making the eagle, where we, the chalk outline of Chris Solomon on the 16th hole, But I didn't love that Liberty National didn't have any any par-fives on the back because that just I don't know par-fives are they become so interesting during match play. First of all, every course should in or every

tournament should in on a par-five, but it's even more so during match play and you didn't get that this week. Yeah, that part was missing a bit, but I'm pumped to see them go back to Royal Melbourne. I remember the 2011 Presence Cup being awesome. I know it's less than ideal viewing time for the US, but that's a world-class golf course. I think it'll just be a better event. It should be closer. It's being on international soil. I don't know if that necessarily

gives the international's advantage, but there's not that home field advantage for the US. And that's just fantastic. If you're going to take it overseas, rather than take it to a jack Nicholas course to go to Royal Melbourne, that got me pretty amped up for 2019. When I'd be ready to kind of trash the future of this event if they didn't pick Royal Melbourne.

So I'm really pumped about that. And I'm heading there at't pick Royal Melbourne. So I'm really pumped about that. So, and I'm heading there in the end of November. So I'm really excited about that as well. You don't want them to go back to Gainesville, Virginia. I'm good on that. For now, check back with me, maybe, in a couple months. And the one thing I want to note too is I kind of felt for, I know how much hard work goes into it from the PGA Tours perspective, and I know that the tour employees really sing the high praises of that event, and then

I know it's their staple event, and that so much work goes into it. For their sake, I felt bad that it was so uncompetitive and kind of gets trashed in that regard, but yeah, there's not really much more to say from that end other than, I know, a lot of work goes into that event, and a lot of players had a lot of fun and I know it's just it's never going to be the Ryder Cup unfortunately. It's what we always will compare it to, but I don't know, it's a fun event otherwise. So are we ready to talk Ryder Cup? Because it's time.

It's 362 days away. I've already got my rosters are being constructed. Big Cat is watching tape as we speak on Patrick Cantlay, his amateur match play career. Yeah, let's do it. I'm excited. So I threw out a trash talking tweet as I'm apt to do do just about next year. And I just said to the the right European rhetoric up, I said, I know you just witnessed and we're probably going to add Patrick Cantlay to that mix too. And people also can forget my point was like, look that's the

international team we just do out there and we're probably going to be adding to it. I know Europe's going to be adding players too, but the team that won 17-11 didn't have JT and Daniel Berger on it. Those are the two guys that I'm kind of willing, that weren't on the 16 team that I'm willing to pencil in for 18 JT's a lock. I think Berger is a very likely player on that team. Adding that and then a full season of Patrick Cantlay, which I think we're just, people aren't't like Jamie Kennedy responded saying something about him being the 70th ranked player in the world. I'm like, all right, he's been injured and is just now arriving to the tour. Like people, I'm not sure people understand what we're about to see from this guy if he stays healthy and just kind of how unbelievably stacked this team is that a team that didn't,

they're one 17 11 that didn't have JT and Berger on it last year. I know the Europeans are adding brawm. They're not getting as strong as we are. And what Rory said on the podcast last week, like kind of rings with me, like, about he offered that up. We talked about President's Cup. He offered up that Europe is going to be really up against it for the next decade was what he said.

I mean, I'm surprised that people weren't making a bigger story out of Rory saying that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you've heard, but the class of 2011 is pretty good at golf. Tell me more. I think that it's going to be interesting because like I said earlier, and you alluded to this, like you've got your top seven or eight or whatever and My question is how do you fill in the bottom four? Is it gonna be guys that have great years? Is it gonna be?

I don't know James Han like wins three tournaments next year or or is it gonna be your legacy guys of like like wins three tournaments next year or is it gonna be your legacy guys of like, hey, Sennediker, like almost won this tournament. He's been on teams before, you know, guys like that. I, that's what Zach Johnson, you know, people like that, Web Simpson guys that have been there before. I'm really interested to see how they fill out the bottom of the roster because like we've talked about, that's, that's for the, that's where the event is won or lost.

It's with your last three guys, so to speak. Your last four guys. And, I mean, like you said, like a year is a long time. It's a long time for, I mean, Peter Eulan might be the number 12 player in the world this time next year. I have no idea. I mean, if he keeps playing like he is, he will be, but yeah, I mean, think of like the US roster next year

could be like 11 players under 33 or 32 and fill. Like that might be the roster. You know, like the Bubba. DJ will be like 34, I think, but yeah, I get your point. But yeah, yeah, the the culture. The Bub Cooture. Yeah, I don't know, it just, it feels like we've entered this new like 20, you know, 20 something, like it's gonna be made up of 20 somethings next time. So here's the nine guys that I penciled in as locks with quotes around it just because entries can happen, guys can completely fall off the map,

a lot of things can happen. But, speed, DJ, JT, Capka, Ricky, Phil, Kutcher, Burger. And, maybe I shouldn't include Burger as a lock, but I think it's likely that I think that at least eight of those nine guys are going to be there for whatever reason. And then you mix, and you don't know who those next three or four guys are going to be. whatever reason. And then you mix, and you don't know who those next like three or four guys are gonna be. We're gonna be talking about this in 11 months when they actually make the picks, because we still won't know who those guys are gonna be.

I'll talk to guys, could arrive. This is like when they showed the FedEx Cup standings at the PEPA Safeway Open. No. I did not reference the Ryder Cup standings first of all. I did not actually look at them today and Brian Harmon's on the team. But not to make fun of Brian Harmon, but like the standings are actually pretty hilarious right now.

But it could be Brian Harmon. He could have a good, he could win twice next year and make the team and it could be can't lay, it could be you line, it could be Charlie Hoffman, it could be Kevin Kisner again, it could be Chapel, it could be Kyle Stanley, there's Xander Shoffley, Bryce and Shambo, it could be any of those guys. I feel very confident to say that like three of those guys or guys in that class are going to emerge and make it pretty easy. There's not going to be a Brett Wetterick on the team. That's just how deep American golf is right now.

Having that such a strong core that is proven themselves as one as a team at the Radar Cup and now just demolished him as a president's cup, filling in that back in is not a concern to me. And I know that that's where we'll be stronger than Europe in 2018. So I'm confident if you can't tell. Yeah, did you include read in your nine, by the way? Yes, I did. Okay. Here's the captain. Yeah I included the captain. I want the rider to come to starlight tomorrow. I really just freaking love it so much. Here's what's sort of taking place and I don't know why this is taking place. I don't know if it's a long term thing, but you have your Henry Stensons and Justin roses,

and those guys are sort of not even, not Rose, but Lee Westwood, those guys that are all timers, like all-time writer cupbers, and they're exiting. They're on the way out more or less, and not next year or the year after, but soon. And I don't know who from Europe is entering that space. Like, maybe it'll be somebody that we don't know. Maybe it's Matthew Fitzpatrick, but it's just,

you don't get the feeling that there are guys coming in in the same way that there are guys coming in for the US. And guess what? The US guys that are coming in, they're superior that there are guys coming in for the US. And guess what? The US guys that are coming in, they're superior to the guys that are exiting, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the billhases and the snaticers. Not that those guys are bad players. I don't think they are, but the guys that are coming in to replace them, they might be

all timers. Justin Thomas might be one of the 20 best players that's ever lived. I don't know. I don't know how it's gonna play out. And so, whoa, whoa, whoa. I just think, what? Get off of me. Get off my boy here.

This is my territory. Is that not his trajectory right now? I'm just saying, you're kind of infringing on my territory. Let me get carried away. That's my role in this podcast. But, so the guys entering for the US are better than the guys exiting and I think on the European side the guys exiting are better than the guys entering So I think when you add all that up, I mean the US is gonna be a heavy favorite I think in Paris with the exception I agree with you the exception of ROM. I think ROM is potential number one player in the world. Yes you're right. Not just because we're best friends because we played in the

program together but uh um but so I you know there's there's the Peters is there but I go back to said the key was a part he was a dominant part of the team that lost 1711 and I mean so let's let's pencil I know it doesn't work this way, but if we pencil Thomas Peters in for five and a, on the next team, anything less than what he did in Hazel team is gonna hurt the team. If he goes three and two, that is a point that they've theoretically lost.

So again, he could dominate again next year. Tommy Flew would could be a future excellent Ryder Cup player. People are sliding in my replies with Alex Noren, Rafika Beo, there are players, but there's not, they don't have the JT guy, at least they don't appear to. They don't have the JT guy, they don't quite have the guy, I don't know, I don't want to put burger quite in that class yet, but I don't know, I'm just, I'm maybe a rationally confident right now, but the part that got to me was the Euros that were sliding in my mentions talking trash about the rider. You guys don't get to talk trash anymore, all right? I had some mentions about the O6 rider cup team anymore. Guess what? Those demons have been exercised. You can't be like, oh, the European, I know Jamie Kennedy was just joking with me, but we won the last five in European soil.

This is a different era. It's a different team that we're coming over with, and Hunter Mayhan is not walking through that door. We're not coming over there with Keegan Bradley and these guys, I mean, it's gonna be totally, totally different. And I know it's probably overreacting to one rider cup, but it's a trend. It's not just the one rider cup result which was dominant. It's that we've got some guys coming in even behind these

guys and again it's trash talking. Leave that to us now. You can't until you win another one. The cup is ours and you can't say anything. That's how it goes. That's how it goes. Here are some names of some young guys from Europe that are potentially filling like the JT spot for the US. You've got Tarell Hatten, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Danny Willett, Chris Wood. I don't like who's scary out of that group. Like I'm totally with you and I think that, I'm so excited about it. Phil was talking about it like three and a half seconds after the president's cup ended.

He said, you know, Paris next year, I wanna be on that team, it's what she's going to be. But it's a big deal because he was like, we went one there in 25 years. Phil's never won there. Phil's never won a Ryder Cup in Europe. And what a cool, not that that's his last team event,

but what a cool sort of last thing to conquer in your career besides the US Open, I guess, for him to go over there and potentially win that event. And yeah, I'm fired up. I can't wait. Let's play it next week. If I haven't gotten far enough ahead of myself, I want to reiterate what I said last spring, which was that the US was going to win the 16 rider cup, 16 and a half, 11 and a half.

They ended up winning by more than that. And I said the US was going to win four of the next five rider cups. I thought France might be in doubt but i think will win twenty will win twenty four and i think will win in twenty two and roam i think if the u.s. wins in france that they're going to win five straight five straight writer cups if i got in part of care to it yet what's that about roams no no europeans left listed to this by the way. They are signed off.

Yeah. There's so many things going through my head right now. You've given me so much information. You think about it. We have five more Ryder Cup podcasts to record, so between now and the end of this year. I'm so curious to see what they do with the, with the captains, you know, and, and, I mean, does Jim Fury be in the captain next year concern you at all? No, it's a system.

Whoever the, whoever the captain, the official captain is, I see more as having to do the media shuffle for it. And I don't think that, you know that it's kind of a figurehead. I really do feel that way. And if Tiger's going to be one of the assistants, if Freddie may be one of the assistants, if Love's going to be one, I think it's just a total system that they have.

I think those guys enjoy doing it. And yeah, I, if Eric does not worry me. Yeah, I agree. I think that it's, yeah. I think that it just becomes sort of like Team USA basketball. You know, like it's a system. The same coaches are there. Now, they don't shuffle it around, but it's different in golf

because you don't really have a coach telling players how to hit shots and what to do and stuff like that. So I'm with you. I can't wait to see which Ryder Cubs fill and Tiger captain. I think your dream, our dream of being a playing captain is alive, picking himself to be on the team. It's like literally the worst thing in the world

if Furek does it and it's the best thing in the world I feel ever does it. Like it's the greatest thing ever. So yeah, I mean the US is it seems like they're set up for a long time, but I mean, I don't know man, things can change, you know, like JT can lose his touch with the putter. Like, people can get injured, like stuff happens. So it's a long way from now.

Apparently, there's stuff going on in this press conference right now that we're missing out on. So I don't know what it is, but apparently, it got pretty funny. So we're recording this on Sunday evening. And so if there's press conference stuff that we're missing out on, apologies. But I want to talk a bit about the TV coverage.

And for once, we're not ripping on your employer. So I think you're safe to talk about it. But I was a little disappointed with NBC in golf channel this week. I'm not going to lie. I thought they abused the commercials. I thought it significantly impacted the viewer experience. I know a lot of our followers were saying the same thing and it, there's no excuse for the amount of shots that were missed

in key moments and I do kind of appreciate the playing through and doing commercials on the side. But the main takeaway when watching that was just, I mean, if you're trying to, I'm not a grow the game guy, but if you're trying to bring in people to watch golf and grow, grow golf, this event doesn't do it with the way it's covered. And I think that, first much, this gets pimped as the flagship event for the tour. I was just extremely disappointed in the coverage. And it was evident from the get-go. And I thought it meant maybe they're going to pound commercials early and go commercial free late, and they did not.

And it just, it was inhibitive to the experience yeah the point through things seemed great during the open and then it didn't seem great this week for whatever reason I don't know if it was the timing or because it was a team event or what I loved it during the open I thought it was awesome and then this week it didn't it didn't resonate as much by the way apparently Dustin Johnson stood on a chair at the press conference. Are you seeing this? No, I'm not.

And said, I'm Siwu shaking that ass. On top of a chair. I had to press conference. Oh, my God. What does it reference to? I have no idea. That is a out of context tweet from Jason Sobel. So he said, I see who shaken that ass.

Okay. Which is the second. Oh, I see you baby shaking that ass. Maybe that is at the point. Oh, yeah. Yeah, maybe so. It's the second best thing he's done at a team press conference in the last two years.

After last year's popping of the champagne and yelling for left into the... DJ was hammered 45 minutes after the last putt of the event last year. It was so impressive to get that drunk before that press conference because it was almost immediately after they clinched it. But I'm not letting you wheeze a lot of your thoughts on the television coverage. No, I think that, I don't know, the Bones thing is great. I thought their on-course guys were really good.

I thought that they provided a lot of good context. The in-the-booth guys are also great. I love Dan Hicks, I think he's fantastic. Johnny is the best. Like people hate him and whatever. And I think there are times when he doesn't he doesn't do his homework and that's a little bit frustrating because he's just saying things and you're like, that's just statistically false. That's not even close. But when he combines a good take with something that's statistically relevant,

then that's when he's at his best. And I thought he did that really well this week. So yeah, I mean, it was good. I don't have any super hot or cold takes about the coverage. All right, all right, I'll let you off with that then. One thing I meant to say, I tweeted this earlier, but ForSums is way better as if you were than four ball.

I think it's just awesome format. Alternative shot is great. It's great, yeah. Yeah, so I had a lot of fun watching that. It's better in person too, it just moves faster. And it's a great format. I used to hate it, maybe because the US always lost it by a ton in the writer cut, but that was really fun.

And I wrote down that Twitter is the worst. And that's kind of all the notes I had for today. So is there anything we missed? Well, Twitter is the worst. Like I just, here's the problem, if you'll allow me. Twitter is the best in that you and I are legitimately friends because of Twitter. And I know people have talked about this to town,

but it's the worst because of everything else. You know, like it's, I don't know, like just it's terrible. What was the thing you had before, oh, four sims. Here's what four sims is great, is because like, so we've talked a lot, you know, Andy at the Friday egg and and

and Sean Martin and all those guys are really big on having options having like like the compelling thing about a golf course is to have is to build a golf course that provides you with a lot of strategic options and that's the difference between ForSums and and for ball is that in ForSums, you have to have a strategy. Like, there's so many different decisions you have to make, and that's the fun thing about watching Team Golf is watching guys interact in a way that you don't see normally. So we like guys making long puts, but we like the celebration between two team members more than the long putt, right? And so I just, I think that the ForSums provides so many more strategic options than just guys playing

their own ball and kind of being, you know, they're just on the same hole at the same time, but they're still just playing their own ball. And I think that's why you like it, better, that's why I like it, better. I thought it was, and it's also shorter. Like the four ball, or the, yeah, the four ball takes forever. It was like six hour rounds.

It was brutal. So yeah, I like the way they breeze it around in the four shums. Apparently in the press conference, DJ asked a question to Jordan. I got a question for you. How does it feel to be 0 and 5 in singles? How does it feel to be O and 5 in singles? I don't regret not going to the event. I regret not being here for this press conference because it sounds lit. All right, it's Sunday night.

Thank you Kyle for your time. I know you've got your own podcast these days and you've got to rehash a lot of these takes for that. So make sure you guys check out check that out and is there anything else we missed? um say sure open preview? yeah I'm really I'm pumped I'm actually super pumped for Asia I'm going to the Asian swing and I'm really actually excited for that I can't wait to see what golf is like in that part of the world and to go to tournament there and so I'm gonna skip the safe way I'm not actually excited for that. I can't wait to see what golf is like in that part of the world and to go to a tournament there.

So I'm going to skip the safe way. I'm not going to be too involved in that one, but I'm going to expect some heavy coverage from us on Malaysia and South Korean. Maybe China. We're still figuring out China. But that's going to be awesome. I can't wait.

I've got a lovely seven hour flight to London and then 14 hours to qualum pour from there. So it's good little itinerary. I don't know why we fly east to get there, but apparently we do Are you presenting JT with this third straight CIMB trophy? I was gonna see if Jimmy wants the week off and take me on the back So but yeah, I think I want to talk about about the presence cup and we didn't do a preview of it, so it was good to catch up and I think we hashed it out and made everybody in Europe hate us even more and we're ready to go for France.

That's great. I love it. 100. You made it. Made it 100, so thanks for helping me get there along the way. We couldn't have got here without you, so it was only right that you were here for 100 and we'll speak again soon buddy. Yeah, I did congrats on the success It's been it's been awesome to watch. Thank you soon. Thanks man You're the right club beat a right club today

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