No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 104: Tron Carter Talking Asian Swing & Mailbag

Episode Date: October 30, 2017

Tron Carter joins to debrief the Asian swing, talk about golf in Korea, and to take some listener questions. We wanted to share some stories on what it was like to cover golf on the... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 104: Tron Carter Talking Asian Swing & Mailbag appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The latest episode of Adventures in Golf is here. Eric Anders Lang meets up with Christopher Smith who is the current record holder for the fastest round of speed golf. You can find that on scratch. SKRATCH is guys continue to pump out the hits with this series. For now let's go straight to Tron Carter and we're going to talk a bit about the Asian swing. I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in.

That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast Sunday night. I've lost track of what date is. I'm still struggling with the jet lag, but it's been a couple weeks or almost a month, a couple of months. Tron Carter, what's going on? Not much, dude.

It's just got done playing a little Sunday game with Justin Huber, Luke Guthrie, DJ Pihowski, out at Sawgrass. It was, it was gnarly out there today dude, just, just throughty. Like 30-month-hour wins, it was probably coolest day of the year we've had so far. Got down in the high 50s by the end of the round. So I guess they're overseeding the greens. They're going to oversee everything tomorrow. Kind of as a test run for what they're going to need to do. One of the schedule kind of flips to players being earlier in a couple of years. So anyway, just got off the course. I apologize for my voice. I probably sound worse than I feel. I've been sick the last few days, but on the mend.

So, good to have you back, Nate. I had solid. Yeah, it's good to be back. My favorite comment you got on Instagram was from somebody that I really want to believe they were joking when they said, hey, just curious, guys, what course is that as you guys were streaming live from 17 at saw grads I got roasted for like the next 20 minutes on there too

like so many people are like oh it's 13 at rime era It was good man. I should go bad for that guy. Hopefully like doesn't unfollow us or anything No, I believe that he was joking like the way he word it. I'm hoping that he was joking but Like the way he worded it, I'm hoping that he was joking. But. Hey, Lads, what course is that? Yeah. One who, what a debrief a bit on Asia, and then talk a bit about golf and Korea. And then we got a lot of questions.

I wasn't expecting that many questions to come through on a Sunday night. But apparently, people are starving for some golf stuff, even though the golf viewing on television has been less than ideal last few weeks. I mean, speak for yourself, man. It's been the Sanderson Pharmacy was on this week. It was as ideal as it gets. How much of the Asian swing did you watch?

Maybe 45 minutes. That's fair. I did, I got caught. I kept up with the leaderboards and caught some highlights and everything, but as far as live coverage, it just wasn't having a nine-month-old kid. Dude, I'm in bed by like nine o'clock, most nights. So prime time for me is like seven and nine, not nine to eleven. You missed the EPIC show, at Leash Shman show though, in Korea. That was wild.

That was actually the one I kind of went back and sought out the highlights for that one and saw the whole playoff hole was just amazing to watch it So Lee's hit this drive so far right that I thought it was out of bounds I guess on the opposite side of this wall, but fortunate for him and there was obese takes right of this path and So they call in slugger for a rules of ruling and slugger like tries to climb over this wall It's like it's these rocks that aren't welded together or anything, it's just rocks that are all placed together. And he can't get over the wall and knocks over. He basically was the cool aid guy coming through the wall

knocking it over to come in for the ruling. Humpty Dumpty. And so, so Maddie, Lysius Catti, who's your boy and now we're definitely boys, but he asked like can we just knock the wall down. And I was like, I thought that was so savvy. It was like, well, okay, clearly, you know, this wall is a movable obstruction. At least I thought it could be, but there was a very complicated ruling that happened

there and that ended up with Lisa dropping like 50 yards back and hitting one of the best layups I maybe have ever seen in my life. This like punch cut. I'm assuming what was a four iron under a tree that no one watching the broadcast could have had an appreciation for what the whole that he put it through, how easy he made that look and how he survived to the last one more hole. Can I ask like would if big cat would have been involved with this have been a movable that's the example I was giving like if they can move that rock in Arizona then how are these all these little rocks uh... I know JT had some questions about that ruling and see got an explanation

from slugger and was fine with it eventually but uh... he was asking something I don't know this rule exactly, but is the course, is the wall an integral part of the golf course? Is what they were trying to settle? And anyway, it didn't end up entering. You're getting down to philosophical questions, you know? Yeah, but such a natural layout at nine bridges, it's hard to tell if that wall was man-made or natural.

So. Yeah, so I I woke up that morning. I guess it was Monday morning I woke up. No, Sunday morning I woke up. And like bunch of texts from you and then I had texts from Maddie. Maddie said that I think it was, I don't know if it was in the playoff or I think it was in regulation What leashman hit The the three wood or driver that he hit I think it was the three-wood that he hit In regulation to into 18. Yeah, it was like it was the top three golf shots. He's ever seen in his life

Oh, it was I'm not like prone to hyperbole. So it was 261. I think it's a little bit downhill from like a perched fairway up there But into the breeze and like leash was ready to hit driver like he was willing to hit driver Oh for off the deck on the 72nd hole to an island green par five and he's he's one back or two back Mama, mama, he is One back at the time So yeah, he would have e um, he is one back at the time. So yeah, he would have eagle. He would have taken, now he was tied, tied for the lead I think at the time.

It's hard to say because he, if you made the eagle, he would have won and JT birdied. So yeah, they were tied. They were tied at the moment. Um, and he was ready to hit driver, but the wind died just enough for him to hit three wood. And he, I was like, kind of hustling. I was trying to hit driver, but the wind died just enough for him to hit three wood. And I was kind of hustling. I was trying to bounce between the two groups. At least it was in the group ahead of JT. And I'm the only one out there watching, which

was just surreal. Like it really, I mean, not, not, I mean, the only like media person out there watching. And so I'm bouncing two groups. And I'm like running up to the fairway to watch this shot And I get there right as leash is about to hit it So I like this perfect aerial view and they executed one of the greatest golf high fives. I've ever seen I mean it was authentic. It was like solid contact like a little tug on both sides He needed to make that eagle because leash was leash just the absolute man. It was such a cool vibe. I mean, dudes were just so much more laid back out there and, you know, I'm the only one out there

from media perspective following. So every time they're waiting on a shot, they're like way more talkative than they would be in a normal round of golf. And just, I mean, they're there. You could speak on this, but like it's a no-cut event. It's a big money. And the guys are just kind of there to have a good time. I mean, it got pretty serious. They're down the stretch on this, but it gets a no-cut event. It's a big money and the guys are just kind of there to have a good time. I mean, it got pretty serious there down the stretch, obviously, but it was such a good one. It was such a plan for, yeah. It was a crazy money.

It was, well, like, 1.8 million, 1.7 million. JT got, like, 1.65 or something, and Leesh got, basically, $9.99, or essentially, a million bucks for finishing second, but no, I think, and I know you have some takes on kind of the no-cut free money events, but in talking to guys over there and being there, if they add cuts to those events,

guys are gonna cut. Oh, totally, no, I get that. I get totally disincentivized as that whole thing. One of my problems with it is, all right, you're essentially giving guys a $40,000 appearance fee, right? Because it's like last place gets for like that's the WGC Okay, yeah, okay, so so the WGC you get like 41,000 or 40,000 for last place when you finish 20 spots higher

You like another 4 grand. Yeah, which to me seems kind of off My whole issue with the guaranteed money is you don't have to finish the event. I know Crazy like that. That's what kills me is like the guy got he got DQ He didn't even show up for his third round T time and he gets the same as somebody who gutted it out for four rounds And maybe finished 40 shots off the lead like I don't know to me. That's just wrong Yeah, I mean we could we could do a debate from a whole philosophical standpoint like is it right for you know professional I feel like you should have to finish the event. Yeah, but at the same time you got to think I definitely hear you on that

but it's also like thinking about caddies and transportation and all this stuff I mean I know some caddies I should some, I know at least one caddy like didn't go to Malaysia because he didn't wanna go to that event. And so it is kind of, so much stuff goes into it. So if you know you're, it's such an expensive trip and I think most players kind of sponsor their caddies trip over, you're just like a business class flight

and that kind of subs in for their weekly payment that they get paid. But you also kind of need some guaranteed incentive money to show. I get it, no, I get the fact that like, Grace and going over and shooting Jimmy Johnson on one side, he's treating a lot of 40. He shot a lot of 34, 48.

It was impressive. Yeah, that was amazing. But yeah, I mean, I get that you got to give guys a reason to To go over especially when there's new events and some guys maybe you don't feel like they're playing great or you know It's kind of the offseason, but at the end of the day I have no problem with making it a big-ass purse and Given last place money and all that stuff, but like, man, you gotta make it so that these guys finish the event.

Yeah, I think the reason why that doesn't exist is something like what Berger did last year. He hit one T-shot and collected his money, but you also don't want like an injured player just toughing it out for the sake of collecting, like somebody could legitimately shoot 150 for the sake of collecting that paycheck. So what's the point in really making a guy finish? I think they should even look into

like a Sunday like paying out cutting the bottom 40 guys but paying out the places, almost like a made cut did not finish and At least breaking it up into two sums for the pace of play because when that wind blew on the weekend there's three sims off both sides it was like five and a half hour rounds it was the same thing even today like with the sanders and forms are like next week when they plan baguists and the sun's starting to set earlier and all that like you know the fact that they're playing three sims on a Sunday when the when the weather's fine like that's just

that's just socks you know know, it's just, it's kind of like, it's just a different vibe out there. It's a different pace of play. It's a different, there's no, it seems like there's not as much, you know, anticipation, there's not as much energy in the group. Yeah, I mean, it went par four, start, par three, and then reachable par five.

There was dudes taking off on the third hole, 50 minutes after their tee time. I mean, it was disgusting. And it was the same at Qualum Poor. It was part four, part four, part five. And the dudes were taking off 50 minutes after the tee time on the third hole. Well, so, all right, so why don't,

like, why don't you just have a cut and just pay everybody that misses the cut? That's what I just said. No, well, no, but like even like a 36 hole cut. Yeah. Oh, that's true. Yeah, you could do that. You know, I mean, just like because it's not like people are showing up to watch. Hey, it's not like that many people are showing up to watch those events. Because admittedly, they're not spectator events, right?

Like that's one of my questions for you. Like, what's the vibe on the ground? Good question. So let's start with Malaysia. The you shop Monday through Wednesday, or Tuesday in Wednesday, where the only days I was there, I was there, I was like, there's not even fans allowed.

Pro-ans over there are not uh... not attended by fans essentially and somebody told me this i don't want to speak for all asian cultures or or you know i don't want to overspeed for this but i've been i was so it said like it's not necessarily a thing in asian culture to take time off work to go watch a golf tournament uh... so thursday and friday but so play starts thursday and mlejia and i was kind of like reminded oh yeah this is this is a legitimate PJ Tor event because People were there and it sat a totally different vibe in those first couple days, which was

Essentially a bunch of dudes around a golf course practicing chipping and talking and just socializing um, and then when Saturday rolled around the crowds did come out in Malaysia for the big groups and I followed Matsuyama a lot and there were huge crowds out following relatively speaking obviously. But just a lot of people on the ground, but it's not like a social event there. I mean, there was hospitality around the 18th hole and that was kind of a noisy place. But the rest of people were there to watch golf. People aren't, I mean, it was too hot to drink beer, but there's not like people are, and it's a strong Muslim population in Malaysia, so it's not a heavy drinking culture, but there's not people out there like drinking beers

and socializing, people were there to watch the golf, and it was locals, I was curious too, is it mostly Malaysians out watching, mostly Koreans, is it expats, and it was almost entirely locals, and it was fun to follow Gavin Green, and like the... That's kind of encouraging, right?

Yeah, definitely, and the legitimate cheering that went in behind Gavin Green, like their local guy was fascinating. Like when he made a birdie, I caught this guy like give like a, trying to be under his breath, but a way too loud of a like a personal cheer like a yes. Like he was absolutely pumped. That was just cool to see.

So that was, that was kind of the point of going was to see, you know, that side of it, because if I'm being honest, I mean, I went to the first two events and I didn't go to China. I did not watch one second of the China event. So I totally understand people not watching it from the outside of the world, but it was with so much other sports going on,

it was so cool to see that stuff kind of up close. And didn't really care for TPC. I think for me, the Malaysia one, yeah, like I've watched that tournament in the past, I just don't care for TPC. I think for me, the Malaysia one, yeah, I just don't, like I've watched that tournament in the past, I just don't care for that course. Yeah, the guys love it though. I don't want to go. I mean, it was just surprising.

I mean, the fairways are so narrow. And, but there's such an incentive to hit them because they play ball in hand. And the rough is like just like a wet, bermuda rough that is terrible to hit out of so the guys that drove well as i watched a lot of zander shoppley and that guy just pounds long irons down these fairways it was i'm very intrigued by this guy and then we talked about a bit after he won

the toward championship but uh... i was very impressed he kind of lost team in korea and the issue on eighty two actually once in korea but really really impressed by him and Pat Perez It's just a legend dude that guy. I mean Following him for 18 holes some of the things he said and just does not care Just I mean ripping farts on the green and shaking him out the bottom of his pants and just his live commentary It's hilarious. He's standing on the 18th tee at Malaysia with a 4-shot lead and comes back up to me. He's like, hey, you got that Arizona State score. And I was

like, yeah, they won. They beat those when they beat Washington. And then he said, what about San Diego State? And I looked it up and San Diego State lost. And he was furious. He's like, I can't pick a winner to save my life. This is in the 18th fairway. This is like, wait, he's about to win a million bucks and win his third PGA Tour event. And he's just, he's always talking about it's how he can't pick a winner. And he's just the best.

I bet he's got some takes on Todd Graham. Oh, man, I bet he, I bet he'd get him fired up one night over a couple of years and he just started going off about the Arizona State football program. We need to get him on the body We talked about it a little bit. I think we may be able to make that happen eventually, but he's the man, but A quick break to tell you guys a bit about golf lives You heard us mention it before this video came out But it is out and I have seen it and it is fantastic the new

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I mean, I landed after like a 36 hour trip, 36 hours of flying and connections and whatnot to, and I had like, Is this like Easter west? I flew around the world on this trip. I went east. I went Columbus to Philadelphia to London to Qualum pour. So it was like an hour and 15 and then-

Shut up Malaysian Airlines. Seven and a half and then 13 and a half on London to Kuala Lumpur. But it was surreal. I mean, it was cool. We saw sunrise over London as we landed and then on the Malaysian Airlines flight, we saw sunset over Turan in Iran on the way to Kuala Lumpur.

Like, it was the coolest. I've never been that far east and it was a terrible miserable day, obviously getting that going that way. But then coming home, I flew from Seoul to Chicago to Columbus. So I actually flew around the world, which is pretty wild. But yeah, the dudes love that Malaysia event.

It was super high. I mean, it's cool. You're done by like three o'clock every day and guys just take, and you get this motorcade to and from the hotel, which makes you feel like you're like a dignitary. I mean, it's absurd how many cars they stop in traffic, like people going about their normal day,

for a bunch of golfers and media people and tour officials to get to and from the hotels. It was pretty. And the traffic's supposed to be hell of a bad there, right? It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. So I took an Uber to the course the first day, and I was like, this isn't that bad.

And then took one, took the motorcade home and saw, totally saw the value and like police going ahead and smacking cars with their hands on motorcycles and telling them to move over. And like people actually did. People moved out of the way and we didn't stop like once on the way. So it was. Did you share, Did you share it like a sedan or anything with with any players or were you like in like a media bus? Yeah, it's just depends. I got rid of with KFS a couple times. I rode with Streiber and Catman a couple times and you just kind of you kind of

buddy up with guys and try to it's easiest with your a third. All right, if I'm a solo, I could ride in the front seat and ride with a player in a caddy. I rode with Charles Schwarzele once and I rode with Chris Stroud once, and not a word was spoken. He had just shot like 79, so there was not a word spoken in that car. But it's cool to see, I don't know, it's quite important, it's a really cool city, and players don't venture further than the mall across the street. They don't go see the city at all. Some guys do. I saw Peter Uine out in the city and whatnot,

but it's just funny that they go to the outside of the world and it's a work trip for them, I get it, but they don't make it very far from the hotel. So. Yeah. But we talked a bit about nine bridges in Korea. And you kind of got on me fairly for my critiques of the course.

My overall point was, I mean, you see nine bridges in a lot of top 100 lists. My point was like, I didn't necessarily think it belong there, but it doesn't necessarily mean I thought it was a crap course. I know a lot of it. It's not a celebration of. Yeah, exactly, it's all relative. It's not, the courses in Korea are not a celebration of minimalism

at like even in the slightest bit. It is, so take, and I know we've talked on this podcast about how awesome golf is in England, Scotland, Ireland, and how affordable it is for local people, and the minimalism that comes with the clubhouse, just how it's all about the golf course, and what we've kind of done from a private side in the US is kind of, it's hard to see from a...

Add a bunch of BS to it. Yeah, add a bunch of pomp and circumstance to it. So take what we do to a golf course and multiply it by 50 and that's what golf in Korea is like. So there's more screen golf, like more projector screen golf played there, then there is actual rounds of golf because that's how common people, like you and I there would be playing screen golf 90% of the time. So is there a screen golf, like just next level? Yeah, there's track man.

There's, there's, it's, I mean, not necessarily track man, but it tells you your ball speed, your mile an hour and the details were, it was so much fun. We went three times and even convinced the commissioner to come play with us, which was just awesome. He and Rhymer teamed up and we're doing the Kissner and Michelson dance after every part they made.

So it was really fun. I mean, you just go and you rinse a room and you grab some beers and you order some pizza and the people there and Jade, you don't really speak English. So you just kind of point and figure it out and it was a pretty cool experience but I was also lucky enough to play to play some golf so I got to play in the pro-am at Qualamport and Nine Bridges but my point with what I was wrote about the pro-am was I played from so far up that I feel like I didn't even get to play Nine bridges. I mean it was it was driver and a

40 yard pitch on every single hole. You know, it's all you don't have to hit driver up every home. It's a pro-amp. You do. You can't you can't be three-iron in the pro-amp guy. You cannot. So you lose your place in the circuit if you go and start hitting the start. You're probably yeah, but you're probably hit. What do you plan like a shamble or a brand? Yeah, a shamble. So, yeah, but you're probably hitting from awkward yardages. You probably better off being. Probably.

Or other behind camera. But you can't be that guy. Definitely can't be that guy. So. So, all right. So would you say nine bridges, like semi-phosio style course? Yeah. So, well, so what I,

when it was, when it was soft, yes, oh, there's a big project, but that's how these things work. So essentially, it's like a company builds the golf course. So CJCorp built nine bridges and Hazley nine bridges, which is course in the main man, which I played, which the CJCUP is going to be moving to potentially Winkwink in 2019.

And it's what they want it to be. So they created this course on top of this mountain in Jeju that is the quietest place I've probably have ever seen a golf course. You're set up in these trees and each hole is separated from each other. You don't ever see another hole. That's kind of a Korean thing as well, as you wanted to feel as private and exclusive as possible. KJ Choi had never played this course

because of how private and exclusive it is. And, but yeah, so they build these extravagant courses with moving a lot of land. I assume, actually, I don't know exactly what went into nine bridges. I didn't get to ask a lot of land. I assume actually I don't know exactly what went into nine bridges. I didn't get to ask a lot of questions about that. But the course itself I thought was way too easy like on Wednesday and on Thursday when the wind didn't blow. Fairways are super wide. It was soft like the greens were holding everything. I'm surprised we didn't see lower scores

on Thursday. And then when the wind blew the course made a ton of sense to me. I thought it played phenomenally the cross-pale elevation change. Yes, the course made a ton of sense to me. I thought it played phenomenally. The crossbow. A lot of elevation change. Yes, there is a good amount of elevation change. I mean, not a ton. I mean, compared to the other courses I played on the trip, no, not a ton, but a good amount.

But the width of the fairways was so important when the wind blew for these crosswinds, for A for guys being able to hold their ball, and B to create, like, the width an angles there. I think I know as much as somebody like Andy would hate that course, it played really well for the professionals. And they had to hit. There's a couple pins like on the fourth hole that if you put it in the back left, like dudes had to not hit iron off the tee. You had to hit like a driver to get it way down the right side of the fairway to have any angle into the pin.

And it played a lot more firm. And it just was a really good test. After Thursday, I thought it was a phenomenal test. Of course, it led to five and a half hour rounds because the scores were pretty high, but I was really impressed how the course played out after a really soft lead up to the tournament. So I think it was. So like, Juju, like, is this, I mean, like, what's the climate like there? So people are calling it likeJ. is this, I mean, like, what's the climate like there? Is it like? So people were calling it like the Hawaii of Korea, but it's not, it's not like tropical. It was, I mean, it was, it was in the high 60s almost the entire week. It never got like below 60 and was never above 70. How far off the mainland or how far off like the Korean peninsula? I say it's about an hour flight from Seoul.

So it's not, it's not far from the southern part of the peninsula. But it is considerably warmer there than in Seoul. Like South Cape where I went down and played it, eventually we'll get there, was like 13 degrees Fahrenheit, warmer than Seoul, which was remarkable, because that was like a 40 minute flight. So it is a nice climate, but it's fall there.

So the tournament is just before all the leaves will change colors. I mean, with the orange on the trees, that would have looked absolutely phenomenal. And it really did look phenomenal. Did it look good on TV from what a little bit you saw? Yeah, it did. It did. And like, I don't know. I mean, I think part of what colored me too is just kept seeing that 18th green, like that kind of give a key island. Yeah. And it was, you know, like, I was seeing that 18th green, like that kind of give a key island, and it was, you know, like, I was talking to Andy about the course, and he was like, dude, like, we pulled it up on Google Earth, and the routing, like, nine of, I can't remember if it was the front

nine of the back nine looked like a really good stretch of holes. Front nine, front nine was real good. Yeah, like really good terrain, like, you know, and then, but yeah, I was just kind of, I was kind of colored by that, just that 18th hole finishing. It was kind of like a bad, like a bad TPC. Right. That, it ended up playing awesome.

Like it created the tech theater they wanted from a design standpoint. It's a really funky hole and it plays downwind, like it screws everything up, like they need that hole to play into the wind for it to work out the way it did. And it did. So that works. But again, that's kind of the vision, so the way business owners are treated down there,

they are like royalty essentially. So I had no idea what the chairman of CJ Corps, what his involvement is in developing the course, but that's probably like his say. I want an island green, crazy, par five finishing hole, and that's what he gets. So, uh, uh, what was the best, did you see Shackleberg's thing? What was it? He said like, it was like in peak Shackleberg's snarky, yes, you know, anti-everything, but you know, which I enjoy from time to time he was like

He said oh, yeah, it was great to see the chairman out there. Oh, yeah, I'm fresh out of the slammer That's a normal thing there too Supposedly all of the business execs get in trouble there and they're really cracking down on on a lot of stuff there So Needless to say this was it very interesting cultural visit and I got the really the cultural side. So I was supposed to go to China and my visa ended up falling through and I could not be more thrilled that it did because the week of golf I had after the tournament was just on an experience unlike anything I've had on the on the face of this

earth because I don't think I don't know what the rest of Asian golf is like but I don't think it's like this in Korea. But I got to play one around in J.J. I have to play a black, of course, called Blackstone down the road, which I think has formally held the Valentine's championship. I'm not sure exactly what the name of the tournament is, but the tournament that no longer exists. It was cool, but exclusive private course that we were able to get on we we paid I mean it was it was it was a hefty sum that we paid to play it But it was worth it and that's where I had if you guys read my Bade incident where I thought I was flushing the toilet

But I can't read the buttons in Korean and a Bade came out and sprayed me and Through water all over this very very very nice restroom But I got my first taste of it, and then got a chance. So DJ Pye went and played this course called Whistling Rock when he was at the president's cup in 2015. And just like the look on his face when he described it to me, it intrigued me more, maybe more. Yeah, I've never seen his slideshow about it.

Like last year, he just sat down over beers one night and he's like, dude, I better show you this. I was like, half an hour of Jesus. Like, is this place real? It's, it's so, it doesn't feel real. It feels like you're playing golf in like a fairy tale place. And it's, it's, it's, of course, it's about an hour and a half east of Seoul and and Bacon went there last year and I saw Bacon's pictures and he put me in touch with David Fisher who's their VP of international business and

got invited to go play out there and they offered to come pick me I'm staying in like a 19 dollar a night Airbnb and downtown Seoul like that's how I travel like I'm a I'm a budget traveler and And I get a warning, the tournament director, Travis Steiner, CJ Cup was like, oh, you're playing there, you're gonna need a sport coat. And I was like, uh-oh. Uh-oh, I don't have one of those. And I talk to David, he's like, no, you're fine.

Just wear, you know, nice clothes. So you show up, I get picked up and driven an hour and a half outside the city by David's assistant, which felt so uncomfortable to me, but that's like normal Korean hospitality. They just treat you like you're a dignitary when you're a guest. And show up at this this clubhouse that I can't explain the I don't want to put an estimate on the dollar amount of this thing, but if it's in the tens of millions to build this clubhouse and it's got like marble floors from Turkey and these Dutch guys designed it and

It's got elevators and it's it's just like a symbol of wealth and it's it's it's it's super Exuberance what's the word you're the vocab guy? Stravagan, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's it's it's amazing So but you don't go like a Korean golf experience takes the entire day So we go and you know you're in your dress clothes and you go have breakfast then you change you play But like when you go out to the course like you you stop at the tea house like there's a tea house every five holes Which is like their version of a halfway house and I mean wait to see a play. Oh, there's not a thing out there. It's five hour rounds. And you're five hour rounds.

That sounds like there's seven hours. Oh, they pretty much are. So, and so, and I'll talk about the golf course in a second, but I just want to talk about like the experience and the walk. The, these T houses are again, just so unbelievably extravagant. Have these amazing views of the course,

and they all have a theme to them. Like the, the cocoon is the first nine. extravagant, have these amazing views of the course and they all have a theme to them. The cocoon is the first nine, so the first one's shaped like a cocoon and it's kind of this futuristic look and it's got this window you can look out onto the sixth hole. You're like kind of supposed to stop at the turn. I wasn't playing with a member host, so we kind of went through this a little bit fast because we wanted, there's not that much daylight and we wanted to save enough time to play 27 hosts. Like all of a sudden, say the golf ball.

Well, and I wanted to save some time to take some drone shots at the end of it with the sunlight. So, yeah, you're supposed to stop after nine. And the caddy experience, and this is for each course you played, is extremely different than anything you've ever seen. Your golf cart seats for people. All four bags go on the same cart. You have one female caddy and the cart never leaves the cart path.

But she will bring, like if you hit a ball out into the fairway, she will, like let's say four of us are playing, we all have balls out in the fairway. She will come out with our yardage and three clubs for each person. So she'll carry 12 clubs and you know, you'll hit your shot and you'll all start walking on the green and she'll start walking with you and it's confusing and she presses a button and the golf cart starts driving itself along the path and goes up to the green and she presses another button and it stops. And it's just, it's a, it's a, it's remarkable.

It's amazing. Have you ever played hot shots golf? I haven't. No. Okay. I don't even remember what you played on, but it's the, the, the, it's amazing. Have you ever played hot shots golf? I haven't. No. I don't even remember what you played on, but I was wondered in that game why the ball sounds different when you make it, like it just sounds like it drops into a metal tin.

That's what the cup sound like there. And it trips you out the first time you hear it, but it becomes like addicting. You look forward to making a putt to hear that sound. And the caddies also like say the same thing, like nice hit, like when you make it in the hall. And it's so much fun. It's awesome.

And it's such a formal experience. Like the caddies are all so formal. And- That's an opulent. Oh, it's in. And then the golf course itself is set in this mountain. And again, this company tech one,, I believe is the name of the company that built the course and they kind of all compete

with each other. It's a bunch of rivalries between all these clubs as you might imagine. Yeah, so are these like conglomerates that are building these courses and they're just like, it's basically for execs and client stuff or. Yeah, execs and I think there's some members that aren't members of the company as well

and so something like nine bridges has invested highly, I would say, in getting very high up in the rankings, whereas somewhere like Whisper Rock is not partake in those. If you're picking up what I'm putting down, but they want to get this place kind of more noticed. And the way the internet and the power of social media works, if I wasn't for DJ and Shane, I would never have known this place existed. And I think a lot of people are going to now know about it after listening and reading what I'll have to say about it.

But it was the one of the most enjoyable golf experiences I've ever had. I mean, it looks like you're playing this fairy tale place. The fall foliage is coming in. There's not one single detail overlooked, and they recently renovated, so there's three dines, the two dines,

Cacoon and Temple, they recently renovated the greens, Eric Iverson, who's a disciple of Tom Doke, went out in last year and renovated the greens, and the green contours are just fabulous. They're so challenging, yet they're fair, and then we went and played the cloud nine, which is the nine that hasn't been renovated yet. And I saw kind of got a vibe of what they used to be like in the challenge. And the the the job that Iverson has done is nothing short of remarkable

to kind of say not save, but I mean, it was the balls are just rolling out 50 feet and coming and rolling back to your feet to it. It was it was kind of ridiculous. I mean, the second time through would be a lot easier, but... They were saying it's a good thing that they run in a dope disciple to tame some greens. But he's seen some gnarly greens in his day, probably. But they were so, they were still pretty gnarly, but... Yeah. So, they created a lot more pin positions by making...

Essentially, I think David said they 30% of the greens could be used for pins and originally now it's closer to 50. And some of the pins, we had this pin on the 7th hole, it was just like this perfect back left pin with a slope to the right of it that if you, it's pretty easy to get it in that little alley, but if you miss it, like you are toast, you can't get it up and down, but it created like a perfect challenge of, hey just hit a decent shot with a wedge in here And you've got a good look at birdie, but if you miss it, you're probably making bogey Oh, it was the intricacies of it and it's all man-made. It's all so much earth moving and such a huge manual labor project

But as long as you accept that Yeah, yeah, it's like and made is what it is and just just enjoy it for what it is right and they get there with it too It's it's it's a celebration of the natural landscape and the trees around the place that frame it And it's one of the courses that the only course I really played there where you can see other holes from the course So it gives a and I love that I don't like holes that are separated out the like one by one and you don't have really have a flow to it so Some unbelievable elevation changes going like up the hill on the the second hole in temple then coming down I've got some drone shots that are gonna come out of that that are just it's unreal how high up you are hitting down these Fairways and how high you climb on the second hole and

Man, I'm sure I'm missing I try to take some notes, but I'm sure I'm missing some stuff. And I'm going to have a full write up on it. So, can you get like massages between 9s? Oh, I'm sure you can. So, I want to talk about this too. So when you finish play, it is like 100% customary. You do, everyone does this. So you go, you can strip down to your boxers and you go, they call it a sauna there, but it's not a sauna.

It is a hot tub. And it's, again, I'm picture of the nicest locker room you can imagine. And I think at Whistling Rock, there was either three or four tubs of water in near the showers that, all at different temperatures. With the temperature listed right there, and you go get naked with a bunch of men,

and you sit in a hot tub and you just debrief and you sit in chat and... You sit in debrief. You just do, you just take in what you just did and it's amazing. It was kind of uncomfortable the first time I did it and now I'm obsessed with it. Are there cold tubs too?

There's like a room temperature tub, I think. I think there was like a 17 degree Celsius one so that would be in the 60s. So maybe there's pretty cool. I was thinking of a ref huge, maybe. Yeah, essentially it is. And then you shower and you get dressed back up and then you go have dinner.

And I got there just after sunrise and I left and it was dark and it was just the most unbelievable, complete day. And I know it's, I'm just raving about it, but I really was on Cloud 9. It was one of the coolest, most unique, different golf experiences I've ever had. And like I said, yeah, when you said,

you gotta embrace like how extravagant it is, but they get there with it. Like they totally accomplish it. And I felt the course would play the next day, which was Haysley Nine Bridges, which is a sister course of Nine Bridges also, I believe owned in some capacity. I don't get I don't know how the structures work by that CJ core. That I didn't feel like they got all the way there. And we'll talk about that course

probably more in the future. But I ran to honor bond in the airport and I told them I was going to play Hazley Nine Bridges and he's like, oh, that is the greatest course ever. And it was like listing off the holes one by one. And because he played there in a KJ choive and a few years ago. So I think the players might really love Haysley. After playing Whistling Rock though, it was, it just doesn't, doesn't compare for me. It was, it was, it was, it was, maybe because I knew about Whistling Rock coming in and whatnot and knew a DJ and Shane had to say about it.

But man, it was a spiritual. Did you almost just like not want to play golf. It don't seem so like chill in my club house. No, no, because, well, like, Haysley, I can see that kind of vibe, because their clubhouse again, amazing. This ridiculous woodworking, it's almost like Sagrada Familia,

like they have these like tree-like wood coming up. Oh, oh, I'm probably not doing justice for the extravagance of these club houses, but Wistling Rock, the golf course was so much fun. So much fun. I could have played, I could play there every single day. I didn't walk away from Hayes. I'm being too hard on Hayes because of what I'm comparing it to, but I didn't walk away from that saying, oh, I love to play that course every day. And there was construction going on out there. They're doing some work on the greens. We had several temporary greens, but can we can we talk about how it haisley? I made I think I've already told you this so I can't ask you the question. I made four birdies in an eagle

and I shot 85. I did not make a par until the 18th hole. Were you just, was it just getable? Like, was it over the getable? Not really. It's just, you stopped on for things? I couldn't get off the tee, and when you can't get off the tee, you're reloading, and so I was making just double after double after double. And, yeah, I started with a birdie, then made a double, then made an eagle.

So if you make an eagle, we took a group photo, and I got like a foldable memorabilia like plaque not plaque but like a printed piece of like really nice paper that lists the details of the clubs that I used to make the eagle what hole it was on what who it was with in a group photo with it like memorialize your eagle. And every time I got a birdie, everyone has like their own little cup of coffee. Our caddy put a sticker on the top of my coffee thing to represent the birdies. It was awesome. It was so cool. She wouldn't have had enough stickers to represent all the doubles and triples. I'm going to audit your eagle thing, make sure you're playing Calloway stuff. There was. Calloway 2. It's a Calloway 2. Odyssey putter. It's all listed on there.

But now it was cool. We played with a play with a guy from octagon actually over there and And a Korean that's aspiring to be a pro and we had a great wolf hammer taught him wolf hammer They loved it. It's a cross generate. It's a cross cross border game. We're gonna take this game worldwide And they loved it and then So that was that and then we we got to get to get questions here eventually but may i got so much to say about the of courses uh... went down to self-cate which is i had had you heard of any of these courses before i went over there

the only one i heard of was the nine brittles whistling because the dj with like nine bridges just because for the raris yeah i said picked off at how they hired a consultant to basically pay off golf magazine to get in the rankings. Allegiance. But very, very. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, so South Cape is a Kyle Phillips course built in 20. It opened in 2013. And uh, it's also your big. You're big on Phillips. I'm in now. I get it now. I totally get it now He this is because what he did there is is pretty remarkable So this guy Chairman Chung is the owner of this place. He is a former

former fashion mogul in Korea and a pretty famous person in Korea from what I gather. He owns the place, built the place, and it's actually a public resort. And it's pretty reasonable, cost-wise. It's like $390 or something. I can't read the website because it's in Korean, but something only like $390 to play there, which if you saw it, that would trust me, that's a bargain. I got put in touch with someone there, and went from them being kind of almost too busy

to host me, because it's October is the busiest golf month of the year in Korea, and to being, oh, actually, you're going to play with the chairman. So I played with the owner of the course and talk about hospitality I mean whistling rock and hazy were unbelievably hospitable then I get to play with the owner of the course They had me out to so you have to fly down there I flew to Jinju and my flight got canceled. I had to rebooked on another flight and Got there late Thursday night gone in my hotel room. It's got heated floors the toilet seat lifts up when you walk into the bathroom. It's beyond extravagant. I later found out I was sleeping on a $20,000 bed. And the

art around this place, what's that? He's sleeping. It was a very valuable sleep. It was tremendous. And then you go meet the chairman, chairman arrive from Seoul on the same flight that I was supposed to be on the day before. We met for breakfast and he's 76 years old, has purple dyed hair and just built this golf course. Isn't like a huge golfer, but saw this land. Instead, I have to have a golf course there, hired

golf films come do it and had breakfast. And then we went and played, stop after nine holes, just everything stops. Went in had a burger and it was almost ready for us by the time we got there. He had called in the cadet, called in the order. After every meal, he has a frozen yogurt with crushed up pistachios in it.

We had it all three times. I mean, it was an experience. I mean, he spoke all of the chairman. I did. I called him Chairman spoke... Did you call him the chairman? I did. I called him Chairman Chung when I would speak to him. I don't know if that's like a Mr. thing over there, but I just figured it was better. And did he speak English?

He spoke very good English, very good vocabulary, but a lot of the conversation was yes and no answers. So it was a bit challenging at times, you know? And he understood everything I said, but it would, you know, be like, I don't know. Do you usually? Dude, in my head, I'm just like picturing like you playing with Mugato in Zuha Thunder. Kind of what it was like. I mean, he was, couldn't have been a nicer guy. And it was, I wish I knew more about him before I, before he went and did it. I mean, he would, you know, he

built this like music library in the clubhouse with his like old German World War speakers in them. That, you just play his classical music on it and like the coffee mugs have composers on them. There's no detail overlooked. There's like the, they have leather chairs in the banquet hall, like hundreds of them or tens, I don't know, maybe a hundred of them in this banquet hall. Each chair was like $3,500 US dollars, they have leather chairs in the banquet hall, like hundreds of them or tens, I don't know, maybe a hundred of them in this banquet hall.

Each chair was like $3,500 US dollars, they said. I complimented one of the tables in the restaurant, like this big table they had, it was $20,000 table. I mean, the clubhouse is insane. You guys will see the pictures in the right up that I've done, which I'm almost finished with. But, so that's just, again, that's all just club out. By the way, we did the whole Korean experience together too. Went and dipped in the hot tub together. Uh, this place had an outdoor one. So you walk outside the locker room. It's

got a little outdoor section where you just walk around naked. Big sure that this one looked like, I don't know, just that piece of land looked so spectacular. Oh, man. So Front 9 is solid. And I've seen all the pictures of the golf course. The first hole is remarkable. Fifth hole is a par five. It's really good. The par threes are excellent through the entire course.

But the first, the Front 9 won't blow you away. The back 9 stretch from, the 11th is a great par five. And then 12 through 16, I'm struggling to think of a better and more fun stretch of golf that I've played. It is magnificent. I think the 13th hole is like a 340 par four. I actually sent an email to Kyle, Philips, I'm waiting to hear back on him. I would love to see that as a drivable hole. I think I wasn't quite sure what to think of that hole. 12 is a great par four and you're all along the water. 13 is as

medium 340 par 4 and then 14 is like this 145 yard par 3. It looks a lot like Cypress point number 15 and it kind of looks like seven at Pebble like a combination of the two. Just unreal par 3 such a fun hole and then the 15th is gets easily easily overlooked. It's like an uphill, capole, dog leg to the left that the further left you go, the more uphill it gets and the more canyon you have to carry. The cape is you carry a canyon. You are perched above the sea and you've got to carry a canyon uphill to this capole, this huge dog leg left.

I bailed too far right and I still had seven iron in up the hill I mean it's only like a 300 something yard par four but it was it was the most fun k-pull I've ever played it probably my favorite hole in the course And then 16 is the pictures that I've posted a ton of of this area long par three long par three 200 yards Overwater over this big ridiculous canyon 200 yards, overwater, over this big, ridiculous canyon. They got one of those tea houses right there on that green. And, oh my god, dude, it was unbelievable. That stretch of golf was so much fun. I played awful again, but...

I feel like the middle easterners are gonna hear this. They're gonna be like, oh, solid likes, opulence and excess. Like, we'll show him opulence and excess. Like, we'll show him opulence and excess. Let's get him over to Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Dude, I need to go play like a moody, like very soon. Like, I need to be humbled. I need to be brought back down to Earth.

We're gonna come down to Jacksonville next week. We'll go out to Jacksonville next week. Take me to something worse. I need something worse. I need to be brought down to Earth, because this was... We'll go down to Polatka. We'll play Polatka. It's an old Ross, but it's like it's like 5,800 yards and there's not grass on half the greens. Done. So that sounds good. That sounds good. And then yeah, we went and did the did the

bat and had a shot had dinner at like at six o'clock and this is going to shock you. The meat like we had at dinner, was some of the best meat I've ever had in my life. And he says, all the visitors come and say that it's a special local meat. It was like so soft, so much flavor, and like a Korean-style barbecue dinner. So my flight was at 8.30 and I was like,

what, I asked him, like, what time should I leave? And he goes, hmm, 7.20. And it was like 35 minutes away. And I was like, I'm asked him, what time should I leave? And he goes, seven, 20. And I was like, 35 minutes away. And I was like, I'm a guy that gets the airports early. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. And he's like, trust me, you'll be fine. And he could see that I was still a bit uneasy.

And he goes, if you're feeling late, I will call and they will hold the plane. I was like, OK, that. You got there. You're a bad ass- You got there? You're a bad ass. I got there plenty of time. Yeah, it was no big deal at all.

It was the smallest airport, like you could ever imagine. So, that was golf in Korea. I don't think I left anything out, man. That was the highlight of the trip was kind of seeing the way they do it there. I know a lot of people listen to this, probably won't have the chance to do that, but I thought it was definitely worthy of discussion because it's so, I didn't know any of this stuff before I went there and experienced it, so hopefully people at least got something out of that. Anything else I'm missing from that will be ready to get to some questions, because we

have a lot of good ones. Yeah, I don't think anything missed, and I think it was just, so Doug Pee won the first event, at least we won the second event, and then JT was second event. I woke up this morning. JT. Yeah. And then, and then DJ, he, he just shit himself. I don't know what happened. I'm afraid I don't want to watch it.

It was a slow bleed, fighting five bogus, no birdies and. And Craig boed the first two of the holes and then just kind of like, I don't know, it was weird. So, um, then Ryan Armer won the Sanders and Farms today, but we can get to that in the questions. We don't need to dive into that yet. Um, have you, I, we, I literally sent this out right before we came on. So I have not filtered through them. Have you, do you have any handy? I can start scrolling.

Uh, go ahead if you got a couple. I haven't really looked at them yet. Joshua wants to know driver of the deck jt or leesh uh... that is that is the scale that is the spectrum right there that's what the scale in which everyone will be judged jt is at the bottom and leashman's at the top i know jt claims he can hit him now but until we see it in a tournament uh... i'm not gonna go for that

i feel like i feel like ke Nas low key really get with the driver off the deck too. Low key thick. No leashes. I love how many so one one re-tweet 53 likes 106 replies. Oh my god. That's like that's like typically like a controversy. That's a matter of the issue. Yeah. Joe C any chance you get cat on the pod soon, have attempts been made? Oh, what a thought. I should definitely try with it.

Attempts have been made. We've gotten polite nose. And it's not been ruled out in the future. I don't know if it'll, I'd be surprised if it happened, but attempts have been made. Trust me, we are, we, we, it's, I love the questions. Are like, have you ever thought of having this like Hall of Fame player on the pod? No, of course we have. Like we're working on some of this stuff.

Working on Phil as well. It's going to hopefully will happen someday. So big. Yeah. Is DJ a generational talent? And then Andy tried to reply. Yeah. Is DJ still the greatest player to ever play the game. And my whole supposition on that is that DJ, he is still the greatest player to ever play the game. It was, it's just like on a one or two whole stretch. Like, I'm serious. I think he's upside down.

Oh, I know you're serious. It scares me. I'm serious. You are his his His final hole at Oakmont that was the greatest hole ever played Okay, I'm gonna let you I know you want me to get all riled up, but then just let you I'm gonna let you do it There was a good one. Oh darn it. Oh, it was a good, oh, who is, I forget, I'll find who asked this. It was someone who's asking you,

who's up and coming in the LPCP world? Uh, who are her best prospects? That's a good question. I need to like dig in on that a little bit because I want to look at the uppercumbers I you know what I got it. I got to say it I don't I don't want to flame this kid, but it just His whole stick just bothers me and he hits the shit out of the ball So he's not like he's not like vintage LPCP, but Matt Adkins come sketchers a Paral, there's a yellow ball. Constant White Bell.

I like his game. I mean, he thrashes the ball, he's pretty raw. And he just, everything that he does, Dance Larry or the Golf, is like viscerally offensive to me. Yellow ball gets you banned. I mean, will he Wilcox is still trying to recover from that. Somebody asked, do you think Hadek you can win this week? Yes, I do. Even if he's not playing, I think he can win.

Yeah. My boy Bach over under 10 pro amps played during the 1718 season for team NLU. Oh, the whole team NLU. I don't know, man. We've been talking about many people are saying that Sal has been playing too many Pro Am's. It's, it might be accurate. These, the two in Asia were just like a throw-in. Like a super appreciative, obviously,

but they more kind of last minute, they're like, oh, do you want to put the Pro Am? I was like, yeah, for the record, I don't apply for these things. I'm not like begging for spots in Pro Am's. JT or somebody was like, oh, I you want to put a pro in? I was like, yeah, for the record, I don't apply for these things. I'm not like begging for spots in pro amps. JT or somebody was like, oh, I saw you weaseled your way into another pro amp. It's just like, all right, he's here.

We got to keep this guy occupied. Or else he's going to start doing something we don't like. So, no, I don't weasel my way in. I get asked. We got to, all right, we both got to play in the BMW charity pro amp. We got to figure that out. We got to figure out a way to get multiple we got it. All right. We both got to play in the in the BMW cherry bro in the we got to figure that out Yeah, I figured out a way to get multiple spots in that if you guys have ideas for that too Yeah, we're working on it on getting if we got me and Tron or two of it to any two people in the same group

We would like want to make it something fun out of it. I could be really fun, but Good question Connor paid and when was the last time you paid for golf? I paid be really fun. But good question from Connor Paden. When was the last time you paid for golf? I paid recently. I paid at J. Joe Island. I paid it blackstone. I like that little play on play on that question. That was good. That was, you know what, I felt like the commission are kind of copped out on that. He froze. He's just looking on his face. But, uh, well, like, even, even then, like, you know, paying, yeah, you paid for golf at his face, but uh... well like even even then like you know paying yeah you paid for golf at your course but like you're still a member right

like i want to know when last time you like straight up showed up of course they've never played before paid uh... uh... we talk about can we talk about big cat we're in the shades in the courthouse yes we can i was thinking is it like is, is it too niche to have that as a Halloween costume?

If you are the Big Cat and then you just walk around with guys and see the costume. I think that's just kind of too lazy at most. Are you just throwing some Shades, some Nike Shades with some croquis on them? I think about the cat. I like the fact that he was wearing wearing like a mock, like a mock, you know, one of those mock shirts or a t-shirt underneath a blazer, like that was more frightening to me than

anything with the sunglasses. You think he plays the hero? Yeah, I think he does. Yeah, I think a lot of you, you know, everybody wants to say, oh, he's going to be back with the vengeance. I think he's going to be back. I don't think he's going to be back with the vengeance. And I'll still, you know, I think big Randy, I have like a $500 bet on the fact that I think he wins, I think he wins another major somewhere down the line. I was, I was in that camp for a long time.

I'm, I've graduated. I'm still in it. I'm still in it. You can stay in it for like another 20 years is a thing about golf. I know that's the thing man. All these longevity bets you can last forever. Brett Coburn what's the number one rule change you'd like to see. I think we've been talking about one recently. Shot clock. I thought you were going to go with backstopping. Oh, yeah, but I mean, that's not really a real change. That's just like actually enforcing the rules. But it's not, so you've been beaten this though that it's like actually a rule and I don't think I'm not on board with what you're taking on that. It's, the rule is if like player A wants to mark their ball, player B has to let them.

It's not against the rules for both player A to not mark his ball, player B has to let them. It's not against the rules for both player A to not mark his ball and to player B to just benefit. No, but it's also against rules where if you think that that ball has the possibility of interfering with your ball, that's incumbent upon you to ask the other player to mark. It is? That's a rule? Yeah, almost positive. I'm gonna need to see that a little bit. It's like a very subjective part of the rules, but it is, like it's in there.

Okay, I'm gonna have to read that one. I haven't read that one before, but that would change things for me. But, I said, you go over to A.G. You start hanging out with J.T. I asked a lot of guys. I actually gave JT a hard time about it. I was telling them, like, look, man, because I don't agree with him.

I'm with you on it, that it's kind of gotten out of hand. I'm kind of with Shackleford on this too. And I asked you line about it on the pod too. He had a pretty good answer, but it was just kind of interesting to hear him say, like, yeah, I don't want to be viewed as a dick for hurry up and marking my ball and It's kind of an interesting culture thing on tour, so But it is kind of 50 50. I talked to some players. They're like oh that ever happened in front of me that would piss me off And then some guys are like you guys are really making this a way bigger deal than it is

It's it just kind of happens and it's not like we're trying to help each other out But it's not always easy to get up and mark your ball and Yeah, I feel like I feel like the one a couple weeks ago where like with Yeah, yeah, yeah, like yeah, but like coke rack was 20 yards off the green easily could have Scrooted and marked it then It's five seconds ten seconds, you know, yeah, it was just that one kind of I would I would like to see

I would like to see the belt the shot clock the bell the belt the belt That's an old one where yeah if you get put on the clock you got to wear a vibrating belt that's gonna pulsate That was that was one of my old happy. Well by the way we Jay sorry, we're on a first-name basis now commissioner mona and uh... wants to hear our half-baked ideas that we have on tournament or anything like that so we got it we got a flesh some more of these out so uh... got so much of that stuff i got drawn into the uh... to the r.a. of jay mona

by the way i everyone says just the nicest things about them in my first like it would be you and i met him at the players, but the first like, sit down and chat and whatnot. Super impressive. We like ran up to him at the players, like, just out of the blue. We also got to come in. Let's go say hi. And you know, you think there'd be like three people around him.

No, he's just like, Hey, what's up guys? So he's so laid back. Yeah, he gets it. He gets it. So I mean, yeah, I'm He's so laid back. Yeah, he gets it. He gets it. I mean, I'm way in on the commission. Yeah, we're boys. He's all in on Torsoss, by the way. He was praying sauce at the golf zone, golf zone,

screen golf place we were at. By the time we taught him about it, he was tapping sand off of his fake sand off his shoes. He was all in. He was the best. fake sand off the shoes. He's all in. He is the best. There's a few, there's a few things in here that are kind of like, all right, who's on, who's on your year end shit list and, you know, hashtag fox list. Like, I mean, we can do a year end wrap up. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of the whole crew to do that. So maybe next week or to come there.

What's that? Maybe next week. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're next week. Um, We got to do the, do the pros of low price goods and services outweigh the cons of being a Jacksonville resident. No, not at all. Who, who read that one? Who sent that one? Austin, we sent that one. Uh, no, not at all. In fact, I think it's always trying to move down here. So I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm coming. We're going to make it. We're going to have some vibes down there. I have, I'm really excited. I'm hoping for January.

It's going to depend on what our, our little winter schedule come, fall ends up falling out to be. But who will the first NLE sponsored pro be i don't know what work on that's that's gonna happen that really is gonna happen so uh... by the way uh... finally got my pullovers yesterday just got home yesterday uh... i can take them off they're the greatest thing of ever worn they're amazing

and uh... there's not a lot left so if you guys are still want to shop for uh... the nle pullovers i suggest you go now. They're holding us and born. They're fire. They're amazing. The vests are great too. I haven't had a chance to wear that yet though. We got one complaint about the cost. But this is prime stuff here we're talking. This isn't like we sourced it from, you know, Taiwan.

This is like, hey, hold on a some born. And you're going to own this for the next 15 to 20 years kind of thing. Oh, it's, it's an investment in their, their quality. And it would help support us a lot if you guys want to plot by there, but enough self-promotion. Uh, actually not enough self-promotion, but this next question, JW, Katen says what's next for NOU takeaways on 2017 and thoughts for 2018. I guess more to come on that too. We could probably flesh that out a little bit more as of next week, but yeah, we're first trying to just travel series ramped up.

Go to Australia, you're actually Thanksgiving. That's right. We have a great trip lined up to Australia. I know very tight, very tight I tend to worry if at least while you guys are there. So I know a lot of people have reached out with some core suggestions and whatnot. We're trying to get in as much as we can. And I'm staying for a little while longer. I'm actually doing like an extension with my family that that's kind of how this thing all came together, which I'm sure we'll talk about in the future. But some good times ahead.

I'm going to just continue the storytelling and get more involved. Once I'm down there in person, I think things are really going to take off too. And more time freeing up is going to be a good thing. And all the support we've gotten along the way to make that possible is super appreciated. So I know the people that are listening to this one hour

in are the die-hards. And it's kind of cheesy to sign off like that. We don't have to be done. But I just want to always, any chance I get to say thanks to everyone that helps spread the word, helps tell somebody about it. You know, a lot of people don't even listen to podcasts that, you know, we hear word of so and so told me about it.

This is the first podcast I ever listened to. I love it. I'm 20 episodes back now. So all that's spreading the word stuff that you guys do is just all super appreciative. And it helps us, which means it helps us give you guys more content. So very cyclical thing, but much appreciated.

I got a question for you. Did you, did you run into Opie Bonrad at all? Where are you? He was not there. He was not at either. Oh, that's right. He played, but he played this past week. He was playing and he played the hero tour then.

Could not see him. Yeah, hopefully as far as next for NLU2, hopefully I'm coming on full time here in the next few months. I wasn't sure if we were allowed to say that with your job. So I knew that was, I knew that as the truth, but yeah, that's TBD on a few things, but yeah, the takes are going to come full time and it's going to be, I'm going to be like, Sunday night when we're recording this and like, I'm thinking, like, man, it'd be nice to just write some stuff tomorrow morning instead of diving in on, you know, budget strategy and forecasting.

My job description is going to change. I'm going to be like Trump staff trying to keep you away from your phone and away from Ray from 24 hour Tron Twitter. It's gonna be this is my nightmare No, it's good Poor I thought I was to tell me it's like yo, you just seem to like you could given the stuff away on Twitter Yeah, you think and like do columns and I'm like I know like, I know, man, I know, but that just takes so much more energy. Yeah. Just not easy with that content.

This is not easy. I get off a phone call. I get off a conference call, and I'm like, I'll fire it up. I just three or four tweets in a row, and then I'm like, all right, I'm good. I hop on another conference call. That's what another question we got was, what's one of the benefits or best things so far

about focusing on NOU, oh, Chad, you can't hear it is. Besides the players and courses, what's the best thing about focusing more on NOU, besides stress, what's the worst? The best is definitely not writing stuff necessarily at 2 a.m. because it's my only time of day that I have to do it. And you know, what the worst is probably, I don't know, it's weird like living at home and kind of having, and it's also kind of sucks, I'm not sucks, but to do like all the content stuff

plus business stuff, then trying to make it work as a business, yet also trying to keep the same pace and quality of the content is It's a tough balance. So it's tonight will be a late night. It's Sunday night working. And I work pretty much every single day, but it's a pretty fun and cool job, so it doesn't feel like work.

So definitely, definitely not complaining about it. But yeah, I think a lot of people are kind of make comments like, oh, this is the greatest job, greatest life in the world. But it is, don't give me wrong. I'm super thrilled with it, but man, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of stuff goes into this. And so yeah, it's a grind, but it's fun. And I'm excited to bring more, you on board

and bring more guys on full time to kind of roll up the sleeves and really get our hands dirty. I got a good one here. Would you rather have a one week all access passed to a rider cup week or at all expenses paid season-long trip to every narcos tour stop? Like that's the biggest no-brainer in the history. You can make it three narcos for stop signs still be in. That would be that is the grind right there did you see pictures of was it you the post the pictures from Uruguay no no I won't say his name but guy said it's sent him over to Andy and I and and he posted them in and he said a few follow-ups uh... shout out to brine richie to florida i that

one down there this week by a bunch uh... but but not and actually i was talking to you bird baker night and they're like dude that that range looks like five times better than it did three years ago like there's actual grass on the range i guess there's these guys that and set it like that they don't have a picker on the range

So these guys just walk around on hard hats Oh my god picking up all like a while like this that's just real that's the real stuff right there It's I want to get down there a sap We got that that that's once we have the time that's that's on the list of things for us to do. Yeah, that's gonna be I'm just I'm like Web tour Narca's torcher on You just send me down there That's on the list of things for us to do. Yeah, that's gonna be, I'm like web tour, Narca's tour tron. You just sent me down there, let me fend for myself for a couple of months

and I'll come back with some stories, sure. Well, why don't we cap it at that and we'll save, we have a lot of more questions. We can maybe do another mailbag pod with DJ and stuff next week when I'm down in Florida. How's that sound? Sounds good, dude. Thanks for indulging me on my career stories and for facing. Glad you're back stateside. Glad that

glad that little Kimmy didn't, didn't buck his head too hard. Not too hard. I tried to go to the DMC. They wouldn't let me. Really? The tours to the DMZ wouldn't,Z were not going because they had military exercises going on that week. So, I wouldn't have had time anyway. So, it's wet. Yeah, literally. But man, that was fun. That was so much fun.

I'm glad that we were able to, thanks a lot to all our contacts, the tour that were helping help arrange the access and everything for that stretch in Asia. It was just super cool to see that golf on that side of the world and kind of go do something that no one else in the golf media was really doing. That was pretty special. And all the hospitality of all the places I visited in Korea and everything is awesome.

I'd love to do it again. So hopefully sometime down here. It's a cool, yeah. And I'll say too, I think it's cool and integral what the tours do and with the way that they're building the schedule in Asia. I'd like to see, I'm hearing rumors when I'd like to see it tournament in Japan. Yep.

I was trying to get Mon-Han on that, he didn't bite, but I, there's a lot of rumors about Japan. I think that's the reality very soon. Yeah, so I think it's, you know, it's cool. You can tell just how important it was to so I think it's, you know, it's cool. You can tell like just the, how important it was to the Korean players and, you know, how much interest there is in golf just with all the LPGA torporos, you know,

coming out of Korea too. Like, it's a golf craze nation. Let's take advantage of it, you know. There's good stuff going on in golf in that part of the world. So, all right, Tron, this would be good enough for, get people's weeks started. Hopefully, another episode coming Wednesday that's going to be very, very, very different than anything we've done. But hopefully, it should be a really fun one. So hopefully that comes together tomorrow.

So, for now, let's call it. Thanks, buddy. See you, dude. Later. Thanks buddy. See you dude. Later. Get the right club. Feed the right club today. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different