No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 107: Kevin Kisner

Episode Date: November 13, 2017

Kevin Kisner joins the podcast to talk about the 2017 Presidents Cup, his experience in his first team event, his rise in recent years, and how he changed his game to be compete on the... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 107: Kevin Kisner appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right guys welcome back to the podcast we got a good episode for you today It's a bit on the shorter side with Kevin Kisner, but I promise you will enjoy it We're finally into the PGA tour off season and it may be November But the epic driver from Calaway is not done piling up the trophies Congratulations to South Africa's own Brandon Grace winning with an all-caliway bag at the Ned bank challenge on Sunday and grace, winning with an all-callow-way bag at the Ned Bank Challenge on Sunday. Flawless, final round 66. And it seems like a good time to mention

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Now let's get to Kevin Kizner. be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Join this is well five months late. We were supposed to do one at the players championship and I ended up not I missing it. But Kevin Kisner, we finally made it happen. So we can blame that one on you, right?

That was on me. That was fine. Well, what happened was a I was flying from Europe to the players and a guy two seats in front of me. An 88 year old man died on my flight. Yeah, that's not cool. That's so, I don't know if you will put that on me. I had one flight, coming home from New Zealand that did that.

I was sitting there in this old man, got up from a seat and face planted. And all I could think about was, we're going to have to turn around and go back. And I'm not going to get home for two more days. So you didn't care about the guy that faced back? No, I kind of did, but I was a little selfish, little selfish. You know, ZR, right? Yeah, he ended up being on your path. Okay, you can laugh about that. I thought it, but as media thought was like, little selfish, and I was like, I was the right, and he ended up being all your path.

You can laugh about that. I thought it was immediate thought. He just died, we're gonna turn around, we're over the ocean, I'm never gonna get home, this is awful. That only happens on like, when you're over the middle of the ocean, it's really good, it's not gonna happen

on a landline flight. But all right, we always ask, pros this question, when was the last time you paid for golf? I actually paid about three years ago my friends that we all went on a beach vacation and we were partying pretty heavily. So I went in really in Cognito

and when I handed them my card, it was like 85 bucks and they were like, wait, are you Kevin Kissler? I was like, ah, I didn't know how to answer it. I was like, I don't really want to be that guy today. So that was about it. But you can call up places and just play for free. Most of the time, yeah, everybody's pretty sweet about it. What is your, and I'm sure you've talked about this plenty,

but what is your current standing at Palmetto? Palmetto, I think I'm back in pretty good. You're in? You're good? I'm allowed to come out. I don't think there's many ruffle feathers anymore. I think that's kind of swept under the rug. For people that don't know the background, what's the short version of that story?

So we were doing kind of an off-the-wall vice sports video for Callaway. They were trying to show it all behind the scenes and we all got a little crazy at the end and did a little golf cart race. One of the guys ran into like a storm covert drain and ran the cart into it. And they didn't like that. We could have damaged their property. So they got a little rough on feathers over that.

But that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. And it's not like I wouldn't have paid for the cart if we had broken. Of course. They didn't like that. They didn't like it. It's all good.

It's all taken care of. Under the rug. What's your home game look like? Could you play with what kind of money do you guys play for? I know that that series kind of touched on it, but I wanted to hear you. Yeah, so Scott Brown, fellow PGA tour player, Liz and plays is the same place,

but in the last couple of years, we hadn't been home on the same schedule, so we hadn't been able to play much. But we have guys, all they talk about shots, of course, how many shots that are as big arguments on the tee every day. What do you play off of them? So the game. So the first. So I'd normally give them five on top of their handicap.

But we like to play a lot of different bits. So if you're a six, I'll give you four, five, and six aside. And we'll play per hole. But the only time I can really make up for is if they'll let me play birdies too, because obviously I'm going to make more birdies in them. So there's a lot of different games, a lot of different ways we play and every time if I'll I play well all they talk about is they don't get enough shots. So it's never let the pro win.

Do you know how to play Wolfhammer? Oh yeah. Yeah. Favorite game. What's dude do usually rake in that game then? Or you just go out until you you think you have the advantage and royally screw up and the hammer you're asked back. And then it's things get flipped on you. You know, that's a very strategic game on that hammer thing. And if you hammer a little too early and the stakes get high and you don't come through on your side, things can get out of whack pretty quick.

You guys play with a bunch of junk too for dots and those are whatever. Mostly just play polies and birdies. OK. And if you don't know what polies are, hitting it, approach shot inside the flag stick. OK. We call that a. Okay. And if you don't know what Polis are hitting it, approach shot inside the flag stick. Okay. We call that a wasabi.

Okay. I don't know why. But we picked up the game actually from some guys at the Greenville Country Club. We went and played there with them. Yeah. And they have their version of it that just has junk all over the place like a Hogan. Where you go fairway, green, two-butter better,

that's a dot. Yeah. If you make a putt from outside polling, that's a dot. If you play from one fairway over, that's a dot. If you make a putt from outside poll link, that's a dot. If you if you play from one fairway over, that's a sevy and if you make par better. And like the best is the the Saddam, if you go bunker to bunker, that's a dot for the other guy. The eight-off, if you two shots in the same bunker, that's it. Oh, it gets wild. It's it's fun. We play at home clubs sometimes, if you they call sandies from fairway traps for pars.

Okay. So I'll aim at every fairway bunker off the tee and try to make par birdies so I can rack them up. That's how you know you've made it when you're aiming for fairway bunkers and you're messing with people. So you're coming off, we're about a month after it, but your first president's cup experience, what if anything kind of surprised you about the experience? How busy we were, you know, from Tuesday on, you know, it's non-stop as far as going to

do media, going to practice, going to prepare, you know, we were in New York, so obviously travel was a lot of time and, you know, you're not on your own personal schedule, like a normal week, you kind of go with the flow and everybody else, so that was a little different. I mean, it seemed like from watching on TV, and again, we don't get to see every shot and we kind of are at the mercy of the television broadcast to pick it up, but it seemed like every time you're on TV, you were striping it. Did you feel like you played excellent? Yeah, I hit the ball great and you know, I drove it really nice, which helped fill a lot. You know, you give fill an iron in the par fours and he's going to do pretty well. So that's why we matched up well and I was driving it great.

He was in his iron's well. So any hole he was driving and he kept me in play. We did okay and I had a great time playing with him. How'd the pairing come about? Tuesday in the team room. Really? Phil came up to me and said, kids, I really love your game on play with you.

Is that cool? And I was like, yeah, I have no problem playing with you. I'd love to play with you. Legend like Phil. And I was like, yeah, I have no problem playing with you. I love to play with you. Legendless. You played in 25 of these things, and I played in zero. So I'd love to have that experience on my side. And so they switched our pods around on Wednesday, and then they came out in third hole

of practice around Wednesday and said, you and Phil are gonna be paired together tomorrow. You're playing Jason Day and Mark Leachman. I was like, oh, just pair against the best team on the team. No big deal. What other way would you have to throw? Exactly, no doubt. And then Phil looked at me and said, your team off on the odds, you against the best team on the team. I know, no big deal. What other way would you have with that? Exactly, no doubt.

And then Phil looked at me and said, your team awful nods, you get the first T-Shot, which I don't know if you'll get to watch that much, but first T-Shot was probably the hardest T-Shot on the golf course. I'm thinking, how am I going to get this ball in the fairway on the first hole? What would the nerves as real as you were expecting that first

time? You know, I was telling somebody, as nervous that morning as I've ever been, more than leading a major championship on Sunday morning I was antsy ready to go and you know my coach was like even the first T-Sex almost like a gladiator he's waiting on some king to walk out and do thumbs up or thumbs down you know and you're TN up and it was a cool setting and and obviously the conditions were brutal that first day the wind was blowing about 25 miles an hour hour. So it was a cool experience, team it up.

And now I know why people say you don't want to miss one after you played in one. Yeah, I mean, everyone that kind of walks away, just talking to a few guys on the team, just talking about how much fun it was. And it helped you guys, obviously played really well as a team. But the camaraderie and the teamwork in that team room, whatnot seemed to be kind of different.

And I know you don't have any other teams to compare it to, but can you speak to kind of what that environment was like? So many guys, you know, 12 different guys and from all different backgrounds and different ages that just got along. And we sat in a small room about like we're sitting in every night, 15, 16 deep, and just sat around and BS with each other

and made fun of each other. And, you know, that's where I think we grew as a team and the camaraderie came from is just hanging out. And I think that's the coolest part. Did you feel like a rookie in that situation or were you totally fine, like kind of shooting the shit with the guys? Oh, no, man, I was, I'm a big ball buster. Yeah, I was throwing it around pretty good.

And I think the younger guys liked that about me because I don't really care who you are. I'm going to give it to you. And I wasn't holding back any for sure. There might have been a few drinks involved and a few trash talks from a resin from that. What's Big Cat like in those team rooms? Oh man, he's cool. He has that outlook like he's so,

just what you see on course. You know, he's like that in there. And obviously he was the brunt of a lot of jokes during the week from from all his transgressions over the last few years So we had a few a few jokes lined up for him. Does he laugh at those? Oh, he does laugh and he's like a little kid in the candy store They're like, you can take it right? Yeah, and then and then he always bust out about how many times he's won and Yeah, everybody shuts up. That's kind of That's what speed was telling telling the story on the podcast about how he was talking. He was talking shit to Patrick Reed during a match at the Ryder Cup.

You can't until you win 74 more times, you can't talk. Reed was talking shit to him, but that kind of like internal competition thing is I think what kind of fueled that team. And I have fuels Tiger. You know, that Tiger's one guy the whole week was Patrick Reed and Jordan Speed. That's who his group was all week because he loves that. And he loves that Patrick says intense as he is

and they go out each other. So it's pretty cool. Do you think that that kind of serves as a bit of motivation for him to get back out there? I mean, does that, where guys kind of ribbon on that? I think that team competition, you know, we asked him if he had hitting balls that week

and he's like, hadn't done anything but 60 yards, but he said, after this, I'm ramping it up. So we kind of forecasted, saw what was going to happen after that, and as we see, he'll be playing in a couple weeks. The return of the stinger. Yeah. The dance on the 18th green with Phil.

Whose idea was that? That was Phil's. That was Phil's idea. So that morning in the team room, he's like, we got to have a handshake. I don't know what you want to do. So I kind of came up with that handshake we did where we blew up the knuckles. And then the next day, he's like, all right, we got to have some for a big moment. And he pulls up this gift of the three amigos. And he's like, this is it. This is it. So he literally popped up and said,

let's do it one time. We did it one time. And he's like, all right, we got it. he's like, this is it, this is it. So he literally popped up and said, let's do it one time. We did it one time and he's like, all right, we got it. I'm like, we ain't got that out there on the course. No chance for pooling that off. So that 18th hole, I whipped it in the water, leave him out on his own. We were all square and he hits a great shot. And walking off that tee, he puts on around me good.

When I make this effing put, we're doing the three amigos dance and literally he walked up there and buried it like the champ that he is. And I mean was there any thought to like all right we are crushing these guys maybe this isn't the best idea or he's like I don't give a shit. He doesn't give a shit. Yeah he loves it man and you know I wish he got to put last and we did it but it was still cool and after looking back atesha would have made his,

it would have been cooler, even though we won. Right. Have the match, but it was a fun experience. It's funny. I don't know if you got to see on the broadcast, but all the team, your whole team was there on the side. And they knew it was coming. Well, it didn't look like it because they

start walking towards the green, and then they all paused. When you start busting it out, and then when you landed it, they all start cracking up. But it was so funny that even they were like their eyebrows were raising. They're really going to hit, they're going to hit. Well, they knew that we planned it. They all saw it in the team room and they're, I don't think they knew we were going to do it at that moment. I mean, is it, do you look back at, so I don't know, looking back through your career,

like as of 2013, you were 29 years old when I'm playing on the web.com tour. Do you look back? That's four years ago. Here I am playing now in the pinnacle event of 2017. Does that seem like a fast transition to you? Yeah, it does, man. And in 2013, I was having a really tough time on the web.com tour. I knew I was going back to the PGA tour.

I knew I wasn't playing well enough to go compete on the PGA tour. And that's when I made the change to John Tillery. And, you know, from then to here, it's kind of been fast forward and mostly in part to what he's helped me with. And now I'm in the top upper echelon of the tour and I want to keep going. So what's he helped you with? Ball striking. I wasn't a great driver of the ball and never felt confident over it and just turned one of my biggest weaknesses into my biggest strengths. So I lead the tour in the top part of the tour

every year and drive an accuracy. And I think that's a big part of my career. What changed from a swing technical standpoint? I mean, is it really technical or is it mental? It was a big time technical. He often reminds me when I show up at his place, you'll put the first swing he has in my, the first day I showed up to now

and you're thinking, how did that guy ever make it to the PGA tour compared to what it looks like now? So it's been a long road and a lot of people don't see the sweat and the cussin and the yelling at each other and those six hour days and hitting bays, working on things. And the cool thing about JT is that it's not just standing over a ball and hitting a shot.

It's a lot of movement patterns. It's all out of retracing your brain. And this is how this works. And we don't always just like I was there yesterday. And we were in gym shorts and t-shirts for three hours, working out doing different movement stuff, trying to train body patterns. I mean, once you kind of get through that transition, well, a, did it feel like a long transition from, and I know, like, when you go from tearing a swing down, I don't know how much, I

don't know if you consider what you did tearing your swing down, but I mean, you're going to go through a time period where your results are, it's, you got to trust the process and you're going to, the results just aren't going to really be there. Was that, did that feel like a long time before you finally got to where you were comfortable or? As bad as I felt when I showed up, I was, I was at a perfect point. It was almost like, I don't care, man, anything you can do to help me. I know I can't compete with what I have right now. So, you know, I didn't show up thinking that I was the greatest player ever. I showed up kind of like, I'm ready to quit or you're gonna

help me. That helps. And I think that's a big part of where I'm here. And I tell people all the time that, you know, about eight months in or I think it was a full year around we were at the Honda, which is a demanding ball striking golf course, win, blow in hard shots and back right pin with water right into the win was like my nemesis shot.

And I hit this six iron we're right at it and I was like damn that was it I've never hit the shot like that in a tournament I'm normally bailing out way left making Bogey and wanting to kill myself walking the next tee so that was kind of a turning point and in our career is like oh yeah this does actually work and even in competition you trust it yeah absolutely I mean is that that's got to just do wonders for your confidence I mean do you do you, are you at a totally different level of confidence when you tee it up now? Absolutely. But, you know, you're, anybody, you know, you start getting better, you start getting

where you were. And I only want to get better. And if I start hitting it poorly now, I'm like, what, no, where are we doing? He's like, dude, you're hitting it so much better than you think you are. So you got to kind of remember where you were and how far you've come. There's 15 going back to 15 that was kind of, did it feel like at the players, you're going to play off for the players, one of the biggest events of the year, did that feel at that point like the biggest moment of your career?

Absolutely. Stepping on that stage with Ricky and Sergio and nobody really knew who I was and coming through and hitting the shots I hit, coming down the stretch. I mean, that's probably why I've played well since then, is I didn't win, but I didn't lose, and I hit a lot of great shots and gave myself a chance. And without Ricky pulling off a great finish, I probably would've been in players' championship winner. So that kind of catapulted the year

and the rest of my career, I think. You probably, I would imagine you walked away from that week on a big high, even though you didn't win, that had to kind of deliver the message to you. Like this is the right. Yeah, sure. You know, if I'd have chunked, chunked it into water on 17 and lost that way, I'd have felt terrible, but you know, walking away, hitting it, birding 17 and regulation and hitting it,

birding it again and play off and hitting another good shot and play off again. Those are shots you'll always fall back on when you're in that situation. You lost two more playoffs later that year. How do you balance like being so amazingly close to win versus just knowing that you're right there? Was that tough to deal with those last ones? When I look back at it, I was always like, where I came from. I played two years on tour and never had a chance to win. I played another year to never have a chance to win. Now I had three chances and I felt like I hit pretty good shots in all the playoffs.

I know how hard it is to win. Some guys play the tour for many years and never win. I knew I was going to eventually break through and I'm just glad I did. Now that you've won twice on tour, do your goals and expectations change when you tee it up? Like, I mean, what are you just, are you teaming up expecting to win? Is it a totally different mindset?

Yeah, you, I just say this all the time, your mindset on the first team on Thursday sets up your whole week. And if you go in just trying to make the cut, you're gonna be on that cut line on Friday afternoon. And if you're going into win, you're gonna look up on Friday afternoon, you're gonna be on that cut line on Friday afternoon. And if you're going into win, you're gonna look up on Friday afternoon, you're gonna be a fifth place and feeling good. So I just work hard on my motion

and trying to do things I know I have to do to play well, and then I tee it up on Thursday trying to win. And I send my schedule out to places that I feel like I can win. I think that's a big deal. I mean, for somebody like you, you're 33 now, right? Yeah, so I mean, you've, you know, looking at your kind of trajectory

and what you've been through and where, so take me back to like coming out of school. What was your amateur career like? What was, were you heavily recruited? Going into Georgia and what were your kind of first years of playing professional golf? Yeah, so I was a pretty good junior player. I had a lot of offers to go to a bunch of different schools

and when I pulled up to Athens, I fell in love with it. And, you know, really in my college career, I actually digress probably some from freshman year to senior year, and that might be due to Athens and Raytown and Party and then. What happened there? Good looking women. So, actually when I left school, I went to work for my dad. And for a few months, I went and worked with him and helped him do some land development stuff and I remember thinking

this is sucks. I'm going to his and range balls and that's kind of where it started. I asked him if I could go play some mini tours and he helped me out with some cash and never looked back and my career is kind of progressed from there. I wasn't even ready to turn pro right out of school and I went back for a semester and hung out and did the whole football scene and then turn pro then next spring

and had a great time and I had a great time on the mini tours. And every year my game progressed better and better. That's a question I'm always curious to ask the guys that play like on the mini tours, how that funding works and how you do day-to-day stuff because unless you're winning those events, you're not making a living off those events. I was fortunate back then.

They had some mini tours. I had some money. I think I made over 100 grand two years in a row in the mini tour. So I was fortunate. Dad gave me like $15,000 to start out. And I think I won my third event on the mini tour. So I never looked back and didn't have to ask for money,

which is pretty fortunate compared to what a lot of guys are doing these days. Who are some, you played the Hooters tour, was that right? Who was, who are some legends you play without there? I mean, I know that's a totally different vibe. I heard Ted Potter Jr. is like a legend on the mini tour stuff like that. He wins, he used to win every week. Yeah. I always hung out with Josh Broadway, the cross-sanding, cross-sanding golfer. He was my boy and we traveled a lot together and played many tours and web.com tours. But it's a whole different dynamic than the PGA tour. You know, you're loading up, you got a close rack full on the back seat of a Tahoe, loading up your bags, traveling six, eight hours to the next event on Sunday,

staying in Roach Motels with three or four guys and trying to save money anyway you can. And now it seems like, hey, we're going to JW Marriots and getting cars brought to us when we land. So it's a big drastic difference between the two tours. There's no going backwards from this. You can't never see yourself going back once you get there. That kind of drives you to work hard. Because I've been there and I don't want to ever go back to that. That's what anytime I get the chance to kind of drill home how many guys there are at that like mini tour level slash web.com level.

Right. And that it's, it's got to just be so easy to wonder if you are blending into this group or if you have something different than rest these guys had. So at that time, and I'm speaking to, you know, your changes you've made recently, it sounds like your confidence level is way different now than it was then, but at that time, did you look around and be like, I'm more talented than a lot of these guys? Or was that? Well, I always won at every level. And I think that's what's huge. And I tell these kids all the time to ask me questions. I'm like, if you're not winning the mini tours, how do you expect to win on the PGA tour? So the number one goal we all play for is trophies and

wins. And so I feel like you need to win at every level that you play at. And I was fortunate to do that. What a what does Tiger call you? He's got like a little nickname for everybody. What's he call you? He just calls me Kizzy. Kizzy. He adds up IE or Y to everyone's dignity. So I had a little plaque that they gave us with a flag. And I got everybody to sign it from the present cup. I was like, right, something smartass on there, whatever you want. Whatever I make fun of you of and he wrote, Kizner, who I thought I was pretty funny. That's pretty good. Anything he does though is gonna be from that realm.

How good he was, he's good to help bad you are. Yeah. What is, what is, do you have like a favorite tiger story, a go-to Tiger story? That's tellable. Yeah. President Scalvie walked in with a drink one night of the team room and he had like a cherry's in it and vodka and like the biggest fruity drink you've ever seen.

I was like, good Lord, what are you seven? Is this your first vodka drink ever? I mean, put some tonic water in there and they're softening everybody's died laugh. And he's like, well, the cherries are good kids there and they're a self-dining everybody, died laugh. And he's like, well, the cherries are good kids. I'm like, good Lord, you're like my daughter. I always wonder what he drinks.

That's interesting. Have you been to the Woods Jupiter? I have not. No, we went there last night. It was pretty good. I heard it's good food. It's good vibes, good food, good mac and cheese. But had JT always says he goes in there a lot.

He was there last night. I was like, how often do you come? He says, one of two times a week, as many as five or six. It must be nice to be 24 rich and not have anything to do. So you go to the woods every night. So you're married now.

How long have you been married now? Been married five years. Five years and you have one kid? Two, nine, eight week old boy. And three and a half year old girl. Congratulations. We got our hands full. So doing the math there mean, so doing the math there, it kind of sounds like you you were having your first child was right around the time you were

making major swing changes, then, is that right? Yeah, so she was born in 14, so right before I started to play great, so people say, fatherhood's good on me. You know, it probably is. It makes you mature pretty fast and realize, hey, you know, I used to have a lot of fun and now you're going to bed at 830 when your child is. Right. And you got more time to prepare and your weeks are kind of cut out around their schedule, not yours.

So what you said you used to have a lot of fun. Was that like the mini tour days where they get pretty pretty rowdy or even your younger years on tour? I always do and something stupid on the mini tours. Because it doesn't seem like that on the big tour. You're always doing something stupid on the mini tours. Because it doesn't seem like that on the big tour. No, hey guys. During playing weeks guys, I was surprised when I was over in Asia.

I thought there'd be more of a scene at night and they're due to their embed by the gate of clock. Yes, business man. And as guys get older, you play 25, 30 events in the year, you get beat up and worn out pretty quick. So, Sunday nights are still fun on tour. If you got your boys around and you played well, you can have a good time. But once you start having a family and they're traveling with you, all that partying stuff

is over. Hangover with kids is the worst. They don't know what's up going on and they want you to still be you and it's the worst. It's usually staying town then after Sunday and leave a Monday because that's not now. No, I used to. Yeah. Whenever I would just spend the night and fly out again on Monday with my wife or before she or I'd just do it on my own, but who are the best guys to go rip it up with? Oh, man. I love partying with boo. Yeah.

I don't know. I've never hung out with them, but that's gotta be great. It's weird. I either hang out with the red necks or I hang out with all the guys from California Yeah, like the Kevin Chappell's Charlie Hoffman's Andre Skanzales those dudes is weird like I remember I was hanging out with Andre Skanzales myself and Jim Rinner who's from Boston can't get three more But yeah parts of the world and we're out at a bar late one night and the chicks are like what in the hell is this crew We got Boston accent hippie with a mustache and this red neck that we can't understand. I'm like, yeah, that's my crew, don't worry about it. What is like your level of fame when you go out somewhere,

are you non-golf placed? Do you get recognized very often? Not that big of a deal. No, I mean, I don't mind it too much. Golf people recognize you, but that's about it. That's kind of a good place to live, I would think. Play with enough golf people know who you are, but you can go and have peace and quiet with your family and whatnot. Absolutely. I feel like, yeah, I mean, definitely, we're just in here with Jim Furek and he's talking about how he gets

recognized a lot at restaurants, but there's got to be like, we've always said like, the dream career is probably Charles Howell. Oh, yeah. I made 30 million bucks and and I can do whatever Whatever he wants exactly right, so What is like do you have like a what's your favorite like go-to fill story? Oh Man fill stories, you know, we got like the most drastic difference in personalities, but they kind of mesh because we love to talk trashed each other so we played a kind of a president we love to talk trash to each other. So we played a kind of a president's cup match at

PGA this year him and Strict played Chappie and I And we're walking off the second hole and he probably hit some terrible T ball And I said some smart ass to him and he looked up and he's like all befuzzled He's like kids you're the only one on this tour that get like you're the only one that can get me I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, you say the same kind of shit talking that I do and I don't know how to come back and it pisses me off. I was like, I'm in your head, buddy. Let's get together on Sunday. Whenever we got a chance coming down the stretch, I'm in your head. It's amazing to me how, you know, people get on me because I obsess over the team events

right or cup and presents, and whatnot, but how often it comes up in conversation with, it's so much different than what you guys normally do, and how much it means to you. I mean, you even just alluded to it earlier when you said, once you're on one, it kind of, I'd imagine that Ryder Cup is just a goal that is at the top of the list. Probably number one for the year.

Yeah, obviously we always start out trying to make it to our championship, and each light that would chance when the FedEx cup but Team events, you know, I've played with Kut right before the president's cup in Boston or somewhere and I asked him about And he's like all I can tell you kids is whenever I played in one I knew I didn't want to miss another one And that still still seems that way after all these and you know, it's just so much fun because you never get to hang out with These guys like you you get to see him in the locker room Whatever play golf with them, but it's totally different

atmosphere when you're staying in hotel rooms or just like we were doing in a small room for an hour and a half, six nights in a row, just BS and having some drinks. And you get to really know people and that's what's the cool part. It probably takes you back to college too. It's like the prep part. Yeah. It's what it is. And you know, everybody's there to help each other, which is completely opposite of every other event. Go back to let's go back to the quail hollow this year. You had a great finish a great week overall. Did you walk away you were leading going into Sunday. Did you walk away from that week on a on a high on a level of discipline? I'm sure there was some disappointment with the way I was

probably more disappointed on that Sunday than any of my other chances to win just because I felt like I was playing great. And I kind of let it get away and then I came back and then hitting the water on 16 and 18. You know, we're unfortunate, we got rain again overnight and a lot of mud balls in the fairways. And it's just hard to compete with that. JT played great, obviously, he won.

I wasn't going to beat him unless I played great coming down the stretch. But, you know, I was happy to, my goal for the year was to have a chance to win a major. I'd never done that, you know, I had a bunch of chances on the regular tour events never had a chance to win a major and so That was cool last one of the year. I had a chance and I think that's gonna set me up for a great 18 Do I mean was the pressure that much different that Sunday than it was earlier in the week or different than any other Pressure you felt and say the players championship. You know the golf courses are just so demanding in major championships and I think that's

what's so cool about what not only Jag but Tiger did and in winning so many of them because things not only do you have to play great but things have to go your way when the conditions are that difficult and you know I had a chance coming out on the stretch and you know I wasn't overly nervous I was you know hitting good shots, I had a chance coming out on the stretch and, you know, I wasn't overly nervous. I was, you know, hitting good shots and giving myself a chance, but, uh, just didn't work out. Things were workout sooner or later. So, when you're not playing tournaments, are you watching golf on TV? Never. Never.

Couldn't tell you one person. This one this fall. You have no idea who's one. That's in my up. Oh, sitting in Ballsley on Sunday. Somebody asked me what Brownie was doing at the club, and I was like, I didn't even know if he made the cut. Sorry, man.

Well, Justin Rose is winning everything on the Euro tour, and then Patrick can't let just one. He's got tough life, old Rosie. Yeah, it seems. He's winning the battle. He's struggle. Trophies and everything else. Well, I guess I don't know if you can answer this question,

then I was going to say maybe what's something that golf media talks about, or something you hear on TV that you just kind of roll your eyes at? That's not reality at all. Any kind of. A lot of people don't understand, like I always give to Meglio from USA Today shit about conditions.

So people don't understand how drastic like when direction changes are. And I don't think the media covers that well enough about how the golf course changes day to day Mm-hmm They more or less just think we should make birdie on every hole and why in the hell is that whole plan hard? And why did you hit that shot? I think analysts could do way better job of understanding while we're trying to do certain things interesting I haven't heard that one when directions specifically

Yeah, all right, man I know you got a busy day appreciate you taking 30 minutes with us but good time you bet and I love to do it again sometime best of luck with the rest of the year. Hope you don't have anybody down another flight when we're so. Hope not as well. Alright man take care Get the right club, be the right club today. Yes! That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.

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