No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 109: Streamsong

Episode Date: December 11, 2017

Soly, Tron, and DJ recap their trip to Streamsong Black, and talk about the resort as a whole. Spoiler alert: we were very, very impressed with the Black course, and do our best to compare... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 109: Streamsong appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right guys welcome back to the podcast. This is a shorter episode. This is going to be a bit of our brief debrief from our visit to stream song. If you haven't got a chance to check it out on our YouTube channel and on our Twitter We posted a nice little video summary of the resort and our experience there So please go ahead and check that out DJ Pahalski is a very talented man We have a lot more to come podcast wise, but this month and early in January, I do promise. Before we get started today, again, last reminder for making your Christmas wish list, PGA Tour Live, $39.99 a year, this is the time to order it.

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That's the best, the best deal for golf balls you're going to find on the market. You could get Mac Daddy forged custom wedges for $150. You could even customize your own version of the Epic driver. You can get your favorite NFL team, favorite college football team, any colors you want customized on your Epic driver. Totally worth it. So again, check that out at CallawayGolf.com slash gift guide. For now, let's get to our podcast. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Laying podcast. Sully here, sitting with DJ Pye. We got Tron, and we are going to debrief a bit on our short visit to stream song. How we doing?

It's cream songs, really? Is that what we're going with? How we doing? I'm great. Tronald? Okay. You battled back from sickness? Back. Tron, podcasting and sickness in and hell. Back. It's great. Six pounds lighter. Yeah. Takes coming in strong and as heavy as it was. I had some low tea over the weekend. I was watching those college football games and I couldn't even tweet man.

Pound for pounds now that's strong. It takes me through the game. You said my first meal and like the way it takes. I'm back. So we made this is not going to be necessarily all-encompassing of stream song. I know Tron and I have played blue and red a few years ago. We got our first look at the black. we were down in Jupiter at an ad shoot. We crashed the Calloway ad shoot and did a little fun content with them recorded a couple

podcasts and we're looking for somewhere to play on the way back a bit last minute, but the folks at stream song were nice enough to get us a afternoon tea time on the black and we got a little preview of what we go back to jupel. Sure. Shout out to the woods jupel. Yeah, shout out to the woods jupel. What did you give the rating on the black and we got a little preview of what we go back to jupel sure shout out to the woods jupel yeah shout out to the woods jupel what did you give the rating on the was jupel I give it a 7.4 we waited way too long for our apps but cat get on the hat we need to stuck between these yeah stuck between between it was way stuck between really exciting I don't know if it really knew what it was trying to be a lot of things a lot of things to a lot of swing thoughts. It's trying to be at all things to all people.

We sat outside, which I felt like was maybe a mistake on our end. JT recommended the mac and cheese, which was strong. That was strong. That was strong. The thing I remember the most. My steak was cooked perfectly in medium rare steak. Wine list. I didn't see the wine list. That was part of the problem. That's on you. Yeah, that's on me. My steak was cooked perfectly in medium rare steak. Wine list? I didn't see the wine list. That was part of the problem. That's on you. Yeah, that's on me.

The one thing I thought was a little bit weird at the end was the voice talent. Well, that's the thing. It was like, when he talked about it, it's build as kind of this sports bar, come hang out, watch the game, and at the bar you can totally do that. But then it was like, hey, you finish your meal, here's a plate full of rolled up warm towels,

like first class on an airplane, it was like, I think it was, I think it was Tiger's nod to his Asian heritage. The Woods Jupiter is currently going through the 747 swing thought series. There's a lot going on. The Waders' and Whitebelts. Like all of them all like like really I was triggered a little bit by that. They're scripted. There's some scripting going on there. Yeah, some bad bad Nike attire. Overall, we had a great time. Yeah. Go check it out.

It's worth seeing. I could probably go back 60 to 70 different times just to get a full taste of the menu. There was a lot of a lot of players just kind of randomly hanging out. Yeah, I mean he was the VIP parking spot right up Yeah, this land Rover whatever was right in front of the right in front of the front door Yeah, it's pretty possible. What's Brian was there chirping Tron a little bit good stuff coming. Good stuff coming on that front. Good stuff coming on that front. Shout out to Wes. Yeah, I'm not. You're taking the punch. Yeah. Punch Tron in the face.

He did. You got multiple times. I've got a punch in the face. So yeah, we crashed that. When we drove up to tough, it's not a stream song is pretty remote. I think we're going to document that. But it's in the middle of nowhere on this unbelievably big piece of property. I tried to get, we tried to get Sully and DJ to stop in Pahokie or Belgrade on the way over from Jupe through a little detour, over where they chased the rabbits over there in

the sugar cane fields, but I couldn't, yeah, there was just not enough time for that. It is, but it's remote, but it, you know, I think Tron was big on saying this, it's remote in a really pretty beautiful way. I mean, it's gorgeous, and maybe it was just we're driving through there during sunset and weather was good and everything, but it's kind of a gorgeous drive through there. I mean, there's nothing around. It's an experience. And it's a bit, it's these big fields, but there's giant palm trees in the middle of fields. It's really weird. I love it. Well, that was interesting. We came in from the central part of the state, like Lake Okochobi and all that. I'd come up from Tampa before, like Tampa, Sarasota and then come up from the South before, but I'd never come that way. It was a lot more swampy,

almost like African wild light. Wild light, it's a ring. Wild light, yeah. It was cool. So. But I mean, like remote is not necessarily a bad thing. I think it kind of, it brings a better golf crowd in, like, golf specific crowd. And like, like, band-in is remote. Like, people are, this is like the Eastern East Coast version of band-in and the Southeast.

This is, I, having been to both is more remote than band-in. Yeah, I feel like. I mean, there's nothing around. If you're not eating it, it's not worth it. You're not eating. You're not eating. It's amazing that they can staff that place. It's real.

Well, that's what the caddy was talking about. I'm sure we'll get to all this. But he's talking about where the other caddies live. And I mean, everybody lives an hour away. Yeah, I was pretty disappointed. Because last time, last time I talked to the caddy, big country about where. Shout out big country.

Shout out big country. Yeah, show up big country Where where these guys live and they were like he was like, yeah, do we all live in like migrant farmer housing? Yeah, and then this guy was like no, I really like Tampa That the other versions much better. Let's go with that So we got in we get to stay at the hotel. What was your guys kind of take away from the hotel experience? So let me. Let's start with the hotel EA. Yeah.

I'd say they're prior. It's beds are comfortable. You both times, it's been a really short stay for me. Like just kind of check in, check out, like, play golf the next morning. There were a shitload of people there. That was, it was bad was a lot of people watching was yeah. There was a big solar like a solar energy company that had some sort of

meeting going on and they had some lot of white there was a lot of bro hugs a lot of white belts yeah. A lot of hocks as well. And then there was a big German group there as well at dinner. Very diverse set of individuals. It's like peak season. We're here in November. It's kind of be like the peak season. And the T-sheets were jam packed and on three different courses. So I think that's kind of why they're going to keep building courses down there. They got something really awesome going on and we'll get into that. I thought, I mean the result was cool. I don't stay at a ton of places that are kind of all encompassing like that. It always feels like when you're at a hotel, obviously this is kind of one of a kind sort

of thing. But when you go to a hotel, typically, you're only there to sleep, you're only checking in and then kind of getting in your car and driving somewhere else or walking somewhere else or whatever, and it is kind of cool to wake up and just know that you can go downstairs and grab coffee or breakfast or whatever is all encompassed like that. I thought it was cool and fun to be at a place like that. It is weird that it is so remote.

I mean, I could see you. It doesn't seem like the kind of place you go and stay for too long. I could see you getting some island fever. It's like the shining. Yeah, it's a little, the Stanley attack. The modern version of the shining. Yeah, but it was nice.

It was just kind of slept great. They got enough stuff to be doing. All I have to do is how you slept. Oh, it tells. Good enough. Good enough. We're pretty exhausted. I mean, they got enough things to do there.

I mean, we didn't fish. We didn't have time to fish. But we went and shot some guns. Sporting clays. My first time ever shooting guns. Couple sportsmen. We do some sporting fellows shooting some sporting clays and Shout out to Eric shout out Eric showed us around and

Kind of we'd let us shoot for a while and then he took the gun and kind of showed us how it was done I was I was glad he was on our side. Yeah, I would have been terrifying. I do like 68 and could not miss Yeah, like the gnarliest go to the harsh I could not miss. He had like the gnarliest go to the ever. He had a nice, he did add to the experience. That's kind of what I would say is none of us are a great shot by any means. And I think we both after, or all three of us after,

you know, 15, 20 minutes were all kind of like, all right, we kind of just want to watch you just shoot. We hit some targets. We hit some targets. Yeah, we did fine. We were, you know, we were like, when we hit a target, it would be like a glancing blow. It would be like a drop kick like six iron.

It would be like a, like a low piercing, tragedy stinger too. But it was the parallels to golf. We're so like a parent, like he's just trying to tell us, kind of, it's like, be athletic with it. Like just, kind of the way you would teach golf to somebody that had no idea what they were doing. You want to just be like, it's pretty easy to do. Just do it.

And he's trying to relay the message to us. It was a little bit of demoralizing when there was one station or one hole. I don't know what you call them. We were having trouble hitting one of the targets. And then he had, he fired them both off at the same time. And he hit both the cl players with the same shot. It's amazing.

Okay, cool. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, sweet. All right, let's talk golf. I know you guys have both, you guys have both played the red and the blue before. I have not drove around whatever morning that was at sunrise and took a bunch of photos and saw all 36 holes but... Well, first of all, we might be the only two people on the planet who have played both courses, you know, Red and Blue and both of us preferred blue. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like your take on that is like, I feel like Blue gets like, crapped on a lot but I don't feel like it does.

I don't know. No, it's just like, you deserve some. You don't know. I just like you know, there's an argument. I like most people. You know, virtually there's so many people are like blue like blue is just so gimmicky. Like I mean, imagine how he was like, oh, the greens are crazy and all that. I thought the greens were crazier on the greens on the on the black were wild. So while I loved it. But it was awesome. Yeah. Some of the red, I don't know. I mean it. But it was awesome. But it was awesome. Yeah. Some of the red, I don't know, again, we played red and blue, what, three years, I was three

and a half years ago, I needed a kind of refresher on it and I needed, I wouldn't need to see it again, but the red, when I played it, I shot 90, which didn't help, but I felt like the greens were, I was five putting, like it was, I thought it was kind of ridiculous, and blue, I played much better, but it felt more fair. I don't know if that's one in the same or that's kind of what drove the influence there, but I just had more fond memories of the blue course, but it couldn't, again, I was pre-woveness.

So I may go back and maybe totally flipped, but if you're not totally prepared for stream song, black greens, you might not like that part of it. Like, you gotta be prepared for that. I think it was all, you know, we're talking to some of the guys in the shop inside after. And I mean, it's so a matter of perspective. If you go in, and yeah, like he said,

if you go in, and you're thinking, oh my god, this is gonna be so fun around the Greens. I can't wait to see all these weird aspsitions I get put in. It's gonna be so fun. And if you go in not knowing that, and you're like, it's all expecting. Like who, uh, Tron Degrees, the first hole. I love that.

Which is like my own. And we're all like cheering, it was so fun. Yeah, whereas some people will be like, this is bullshit. Yeah. So yeah, if you can appreciate it, I thought it was only one of us has not put it off the green in this green. By the way, Solid Putter to the Water the other day.

It was a tough beach. It was a tough beach. It was a tough beach. It was downwind down great number two. It was a front pen downwind down grain from like 50 feet. It was sick. DJ was against us in wolf and got way too excited about it. I was cheering on the way. Yes.

Yes. That's not gonna be like four dots each one. Oh, they wrote me. I mean, it did to derail a conversation. I thought I was gonna shoot 68 and then I just put in the water That's like a goose Mac rigging goose, but yes, it's drawn deep degreeed himself So I turned tea to green the golf course. I thought was nobody wants to talk about my my four iron in there It's great shot. It was a great shot great six

It's a good six and then Greg Parman came out. Greg Parman, yeah, we play with Greg Parman. He was very steady all day. But I feel like T to green the course overall is very doable. Like it's not, you know, for like a lower handicap player, it's pretty achievable. The challenge all lies within the greens and the strategy. Well, like one, I mean, one's a 550-ish yard par five. And it's, you know, it's wide open. I mean, fairways, what, 100 and, it's like 100 yards wide. 100 yards wide, yeah.

And then, there's a great cross-punker, really well placed, but it's more visually intimidating than anything. And then then my biggest thing was that just the greens your original green sizes versus how they decided to grow them in. Yeah. They're like three times as big as they're. Oh, for sure. Biggest greens of every scene. Yeah, so get to that in a second. But I want to kind of tie in a couple of these points together. You guys have played all three. How do they compare? What do you, you know, what's different about the black versus the other two? Yeah. It's just larger scale. I felt like this was like a, like a mural versus, you know, like

a little portrait or something. Like the other ones feel like they're, you know, there's, there's much more, like over on red and blue, you've got the kind of the sand, there's the big mounding and there's some kind of cord, or it's kind of carved into, whereas this was just, you know, it's still like you're on this giant mural on like this, the side of the plant. Like it's kind of what I envision,

I've never been out to sand hills or anywhere like that, but like it's kind of what I envision that being. It looks, I mean, it's all of the, when you miss the fairway, you're just in this native waste area stuff, but it reminded me a lot of pine herds too, in that wide fairways encouraging to hit it in the fairway, but if you hit it in the waste area, you're not dead. Like, it's very playable in that regard. It's like pine herds too, if you take away all the trees.

Correct. Yeah, and it's, from like an overhead shot, when I first started looking at shots of like, it's fairway and it's bunker I was like whoa this is gonna be tight and tough. It's not like that at all You can you can swing away even if DJ was there's a 320 yard driveable par 4 and DJ went Moab with an 80 yard Mother of all bonds on an 80 yard fairway got some grief on Instagram for that one, but I had it exactly right But yeah, I mean it is totally different. I've totally different than blue and red. I but I had it exactly right. I was trying to. But yeah, I mean, it is totally different. Totally different than blue and red.

I think I mean, it's, I don't know exactly. Blue and red feel more similar to each other than they do to black in any way. Well, they're kind of, I mean, they're not having played them, but just driven around. They're kind of woven together. They're close together. So obviously, the lion feels very similar because it is. And black is isolated. Well, a wild boon.

Different from a different finger, the property over there. But the wild thing is you can, like from red, you can see over to black. You're only a couple hundred yards away from kind of the farthest reaches of the red course. And you feel like you're, you know, a hundred miles away. Right. It's crazy. And the other thing that, I mean, I'm sure this is kind of a cliche that people talk about, but if you've never been there, it doesn't know how to feel like you're in Florida at all. I don't know what it feels like.

I mean, it feels like... So, I do think that's the one unfair thing about when people compare it to band-in, where you're like, yeah, but I mean, band-in has, it's got an ocean. Right. Right? It's tough to compete with an ocean. Whereas this was, you know, this is inland Florida, like again, expectations. Yeah. But it's, it's, I mean, it's, the golf is phenomenal. The golf is, I mean, where else can you go and play a

dope, a core cruncher and a gill hands course on like from seeing each other, the courses. I know that we got to go all the way to Tasmania to play a dope core crenshaw dual set of courses. Like this is right here in Florida, it's accessible. And it's for golf nuts, I mean, I thought like the vibe and the accommodations and stuff, like isn't like the most, you know, tuned in through the golf nut, like for our group. But the golf itself is absolutely phenomenal.

I think it has to be more things. It has to be more things to more people. Correct. Because they have to do more group business. They have to be able to stage meetings and all that, just as far as the business plan goes. And it's just, it's tougher to staff. Yeah.

I mean, you're just thinking about it. Like I've had two friends from, you know, previous hotels I've been at two friends that have gone down and worked down there. And they've, you know, they've, I've talked to them about it just from a personal perspective, how tough it is to staff that. So, you, on my first visit versus this one, I felt like they're the service and kind of the cohesiveness of the whole experience was much more tied in. When you showed up, they just sent your bag right over to the black course.

Really, the biggest thing for me was just our caddy, he said, hey, look out for these little green dots around the greens. We need to find one of the good drone photos that we got They can really like show it it kind of shows you were then like where the original green Surround's will that you have like the capped sprinklers yeah and kind of drain caps and stuff They're wrong. Yeah, which anyone can picture you know on the fringe of every green that exists and picture, you know, on the fringe of every green that exists. And at this place, they're all 30 feet or more into the into the towards the middle of the green. And he was explaining he's like, well, you know, when they were, they were originally designed the golf course, this is where they had charted the greens to be. And then Gill and his buddies came out

and were just kind of like, fuck it, let's just make this all green. And it's so cool. I mean, some of the spots you could play out there, and this is kind of another point, but you could play out there 100 times, and on the 100th time find some weird spot you didn't even know existed to be putting from. There were certain parts on the greens where the difference between where the initial green

was planned to be and where the edge of that green ended up being on one side of the green was like 30 yards Yeah, it's not there's I forget what what's the I mean the big part five before with the with the D pay F bunker No, the one four that I think the number eight or so had like the big it was the biggest green on the property I've never seen all the par three. No the part of the National Department of Ria had the biggest green. Right. And uh, but I mean, it just kind of going into that number six was at the dribble part four,

Tron. Yeah. Six was one of the better holes I've played this year. It was amazing. And it's like it got one bunker that defines the entire hole, uh, as far as accessibility to the pin. At least we put the pin maybe and it's maybe it's like one of those Pete die-bombers. Yeah, it's tiny. But it funnels to it. Yeah, it looks like it's 60 feet across, and that's what he says. You get down in that bunker, it's about the size of a trash can, you know. And then the green, you know, I think like the usable portion of the green is probably

10 feet deep, and about 50 feet wide. Oh, probably 100 feet wide. Yeah, it's like three different greens basically. Yeah, and that'll change what you're supposed to do. The strategies, the mind blowing. I drove the green, no big deal. And I had to make a 15 footer to three putt par. Like it was, but it's mad. I mean, I wouldn't have played it any differently,

but like you're just kind of like the way you have to play like a road hole. You have to hit a putt that doesn't aim towards the hole, because if you try to get at the hole, like from where I was from, I'm probably going 50 feet past it. But if I played 15 feet left of the hole, I could use a certain backstop to bring it to rest,

maybe 20 feet away for birdie, but then I'm putting straight down the hill. I mean, it's so much that part was so much fun to try to piece the puzzles together. That's kind of the thing I was going to say earlier, which is there's, there were a lot of holes where we got done and put it out or whatever, kind of looking back, scratching our heads, ain't like, man, I think I might play that one differently next time or something. And the golf course feels like something you got to play 10 times before you're really comfortable, which is kind of a weird juxtaposition

because it's kind of a once in a lifetime sort of resort trip. So I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't really know what to think about that. But it's scoring, I think. For sure. I mean, from T-Degree fun, we just talked about, I was uncomfortable the whole time. That was like trying to figure out, with too many options, trying to figure out what to do. It was just, it was great. Not was uncomfortable the whole time. Well, that was like trying to figure out

like with too many options, trying to figure out what to do. It was just, it was like. Not only at six, like I felt like, all right, I need to play this whole three or four times, just to get a feel for this pin location. Yeah. And then I could not play it another. 50 different pins possible for every hole.

But we all talked about two how, again, the course is only five weeks old when we played it, the two are from the federal. Which is phenomenal shape. The truth is, the term for the fairway. The term was like the best turf I've ever compressed an iron against. Some of those courses can get really firm and it's tough to hit a ball solidly off of it. I felt like I couldn't miss hit a ball off that fairway turf. The only thing I loved was the amount of undulation in the fairways, but not in a making house away. No, no, it's just felt natural. You weren't getting crazy bounces, but at the end of the day you're going to, but not in a making house. No, not at all. It's felt natural.

You weren't getting crazy bounces, but at the end of the day, you're going to get enough good bounces, enough bad bounces. Yeah. Can we talk about the punch bowl? Well, that was going to be the only thing I was going to say is there was almost too much scale on some of the spots that the punch bowl to me felt like it was way too big. Like you hit a great close. You hit a great shot in there and it was, you know,

it was a hundred feet each way from any slope. Yeah, it's like sandwich in. It wasn't so much a punch bowl as it was like, when you go to a college party and it's one of those big, top-of-the-wire giant, tub-war bins that you just mix a bunch of motion potion. Yeah, it was more like that than it was. I mean, it was like a trash can. You just mix a bunch of motion potion. Yeah. Yeah. It was more like that than it was.

I mean, it was like a trash can. We got a lot of stuff, a lot of footage that's going to come out from that hole. The other thing, number four was not push cart friendly. That is very awesome. That's a cool hole. It's a cool hole. Even though you got ejected. I hit a bat.

So that's kind of the, I mean, that's an outlier because I hit such a bad shot there. But every time, you know, it's all I mentioned it being fair. It is, it's a wild golf course. You feel like you're playing on the moon in certain spots. But if you miss in the wrong spot, you're like, yep, I missed.

Like I deserved what I got there. It was never, none of us hit a shot where we're pissed off. How did that happen? It was everything's pretty in front of you, and it was just a great time. That par five, the fourth, has a double fairway. It was super cool. Even the layup comes with a myriad of options. Do you want to take on trying to carry it over to the left fairway, or do you play down the

right? My problem with double fairways sometimes is,, you know, there's all this, it often feels like there's just a clear option and the other one just feels ancillary. Right. Like the one at Valhalla. It was at 14 or 15th like, you know, kind of down the stretch. There's no reason to go down that left fairway for the most part. Whereas this one, they were both extremely viable provided. You had the distance on your drive or you could use it as you see fit on the second shot. There was probably nine different distinct ways to play that whole. Right. They made it take the trolleys like on the stairs. So

yeah, it wasn't the best push car course. We persevered. Yeah, we did. We survived. And then the next hole was just number five was one of the coolest ones we put reverse or Dan kind of uphill just On the side of a cool side of a cliff. I thought I had a great shot like had it roll back 30 feet and guys like no you're on the green man It's cool You're 200 feet away, but yeah, you're putting I think I I hit like Eight of nine greens in the front nine probably had an aggregate distance

It might not be a good thing necessarily. Yeah, it's the greens are kind of irrelevant. But it's such a good mix of, you know, there weren't, I don't, you know, the couple long par fours, but some really nice short fours that just presented you with a myriad of options. And the long fours had massive greens. Yeah, and they do such a good job. I thought of Longfors had massive greens. And they do such a good job. I thought of kind of using like deception, deception mounting and stuff.

I forget, I think number eight you mentioned was one where, you know, he kept saying, hey, this is the biggest green on the golf course. It's the biggest green on the golf course and you're looking at it. And I'm thinking to myself, do this pin is perched right over this hill. How the hell am I supposed to get this close?

And you hit it over and you walk around the mound and you're like, oh, okay, actually, it's 100 feet behind the pit and I had so much space. He just does a great job of, it's kind of Pete Dye style in that way, I think, where it always looks, everything looks a lot worse than it actually is. It was kind of like Pete Dye in that way

and kind of little doke around the greens. It was so fun. It was so fun like Pete Dye in that way and kind of little doke around the greens. It was so fun. You feel like you can hit every shot. Yeah. Kind of challenge you. I mean the green on seven was like seven was a shorter part 3. That green was super cool. It was like this is this these fingers kind of coming out. Yeah. So many different pins on that green. It was so much fun. That was our biggest takeaway too, is I don't know, it looked way harder,

it looked like harder than it is, but just T-degree, and it was so much fun than what you got on the greens, trying to use those slopes to your benefit. It was a thrill. I mean, there's no slope that's there by accident. It was really cool too, that, again, I haven't played

the other two, but just driving around and just kind of seeing how they play. It's just cool to see land that's that expansive and just what three or I guess four different people do with it and what they choose to do with it. And there's so much more land there. And you know, we kind of heard some rumblings from some people around who were kind of saying, you know, we kind of heard some rumblings from some from some people around who were kind of saying

You know thrown out some pretty big names for for some potential potential future courses So yeah, I mean we'll see what happens, but I mean there's there's no shortage of Real estate out there for them to keep adding and adding and adding and I think you know we both we're all three of us kind of said that too that You know as they as they do that and they keep getting better at different stuff The resort's gonna get better the hotel's gonna get better the restaurants are gonna get better all that stuff They just you know for what it is and where it is right now. It's it's pretty pretty this one felt more like More like playing over in the British Isles than the other two for sure

Yeah, I mean it was it was for about creativity. Yeah, what what's what's like the thing that you got the your biggest takeaway from like the most the thing you guys enjoyed the most I loved. You know, we had we went back and shot some stuff on number two when it got dark and it was just this absolute like killer be killed short for with this fall away. This absolute killer be killed short for with this fall away green. I'd loved just sitting back there and trying to hit different wedge shots. Trying to get different shots to stop on the green and trying to not get ejected but get as close as you can to getting ejected. It was so fun. It felt like you were out there just messing around having chipping contests when you were a little kid.

It was so fun. I loved short answers like having chipping contests when you were a little kid. It was just so fun. I loved like, I guess I guess short answers, like the creativity around the greens. Yeah, it was so fun. I was pulling away just how good a shape the greens were in already. Like they were, normally you get that kind of trampoline in fact off of new Burmina greens especially.

And those were, it was firm and fast. It was firm but like, you could hit a, three quarter swing sandwich in, It was firm, but like, you could hit a three-quarter swing sand wedge in and you would take one hop and then stop and check a little bit. Which is so rare on new greens. I was just, and I think I feel like this course is all the things that we always talk about with, you know, with the things in modern design that we enjoy as being like the width, the wideness of fairways and how that helps you kind of create angles at flags, all the different options that big greens have for different pins, you're going to feel like you're playing a different hole every time, and the contours of the greens

presenting again with all these options around the greens, I felt like it was just a myriad of all these things about golf architecture that we love, And then it's fun to do all that stuff. So, I mean, for me, the approach shots were just, honestly, just thrilling. I mean, they were so much fun to try to, like that reverse or dam part three, to try to use that slope to get to that pin. And, you know, the way the greens sit, kind of promoting, clearly trying to promote a certain shot shape into it, which might have been different than the shot shape. You needed to play off the tee. trying to promote a certain shot shape into it, which might have been different than the shot shape.

You needed to play off the tee. The eleventh hole was kind of a longer par four, but there's the green kind of sits perfectly like a right, perfect setup for a nice little draw in there. And again, trying to compress the irons off that turf, it was honestly so much fun. It was like an artist. We were a little unlucky with the daylight savings time. We did not prime time. Didn't quite get to finish. We get a little unlucky with the daylight savings time. We did not prime time.

Didn't quite get to finish. We had a few holes left, so which, I don't know, actually kind of leads me to be just really excited about coming back. Yeah, we got to really. We have to go back. It's like, eminently a second shot golf course. Yes, definitely.

You get it out there off the tee and then kind of game plan from there. And you're, obviously there's a more advantage just side of the fairway to be on, but other than a few places where you just absolutely can't miss and have to almost play away from it. If you're not a strong of a player, I think it was probably the most fair of all three strong,

all three streams on courses, I think, minus the, you know, as long as you're comfortable playing the ball off the ground. Yeah. They're on the ground. Yeah, I'm excited to go back. I mean, I think I'd love to play all three of them kind of get, you know, reweave in those other three and kind of see where they all stack up. But I think I'd love to give red another shot, especially just because I didn't love love it the first time But that might be more on me than the golf course So for me red had some of the best holes on the property. Yeah, it just didn't fill his cohesive. Yeah, I could see that So I really want to do a composite routing Blue and red that'd be sweet and be awesome

Can we talk about the bone zone the bone zone zone. Can bone zone. The can bone zone tavern. The bone valley tavern. I know we're not big on kind of talking about club houses. I know that's not really our scene, but the club house at the black was pretty dope. It's all windows, just 360 view. It kind of looks a little like a museum of modern art or something. It was like a meat spander rowy. It kind of was, but which usually I'm like, that's awful, but it was still small enough that it wasn't gaudy. It was really well done. It was like a little me-svander, really. It kind of was, but which usually I'm like, oh, that's awful, but it was still small enough

that it wasn't gaudy. It was really well done. It was really cool. And it backs right up to the putting course, the gauntlet. I think the gauntlet? Yeah, 18-hole putting course there. Yeah. It's great stance.

It's got executed. That was ugly. Yeah, so it was interesting. I feel like the menu and the whole kind of concept of the black is like minimalism. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the menu was really not sparse, but very focused. Just weird, because it's not about 400 acres. Exactly. It's really, it's very different from the rest of the resort in that regard where I feel like you got different options at the rest of the resort. The black was more, it seemed more focused.

It felt a lot more band-a-nee to me than the rest of it. The rest of it, you know, I think you were saying something kind of about, I don't really know how it works, how, you know, each part of the property gets managed or whatever, but if a different company manages that hotel versus kind of the food beverage at the black or something, but it did have a different vibe to it, a better vibe, I thought. Yeah, it seemed more in line with the golf, you know, golf being first and foremost, and then just streamlined operation to have no over there. No access. Yes. Plus, the references we've heard again,

none of us have played golf in Australia on the sand belt. But with the references, we kept hearing whether it compares greatly with a lot of the best courses on the sand belt as far as the style of play, the style of turf, and whatnot. I mean, that was naturally why we chose to go play. Of course. Yeah.

Well, we'll try to have a better comparison for that here in a couple of weeks, actually, it's coming up fast. Cool. All right. Thanks to all everyone at StreamSong for having us out. That was a lot of fun. Can't wait to come back.

And like I said, kind of compare all three courses. But I think we're definitely not blowing smoke when we say it's something pretty special going on there, especially for everyone, for kind of the luxury vacationer as well as the the golf nut that Really is into golf course architecture, so Call it a call today. Rapid. Yeah, all right boys. Thanks for tuning in That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most! Expect anything different?