No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 112: The Killhouse

Episode Date: January 5, 2018

In the first episode ever recorded in the Killhouse, DJ, Tron, and Soly make some 2018 predictions, and answer some listener questions. We talk a lot about what’s in store for 2018 for NLU, the... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 112: The Killhouse appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to give it a try. Be the right club today. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langing Up Podcast first episode of 2018 and the first ever episode recorded in the Kill House. The Kill House! We are here. We are plugged in.

DJ, why don't you tell us what first of of all, what the hell is the kill house? First of all, happy new year. Happy new year, guys. New year, new us. You as well. Yeah, I've released new evidence on you. Kevin live from Neptune Beach. Where do you want to start?

The kill house has been kind of a running joke with us, I think, since the Tiger ESPN story came out and talked about him firing live ammunition with the seals and inside the kill house and doing all that stuff, I think since then we've probably been on the lookout for a kill house and I know you kill house. And with Sully moving out of the parent's basement, looking to get calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him, calling him,

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Anilator-wise, we've patched that content. It's a nice commute for you guys. People were confused whether or not we're all living together, which we're clear for. Yeah, we've gotten that question a couple of times. People ask me, did you move in with Stalin? I'm like, no, I'm married. I have a whole other life.

Yeah, Tron is wife and is one year old have moved into the kill house with us. Yeah, two dogs. The branch to videoconcle. I'm a little bit worried that this is not zoned for commercial purposes Or military purposes, but we are calling so the downstairs is the office and the kill house We don't have that much commercial activity luckily

The upstairs is gonna be called the bros nest That's where or the residents that's that's where I'll be living But we have a lot of work to do in here. We have a lot of decorating to do That's where I'll be living, but we have a lot of work to do in here. We have a lot of decorating to do. Shout out to Big Randy, hopefully he's going to us in April or May. Yeah, he's got a tough basketball season. He's got to get through. They're undefeated still. Huge. Shout out. Can people go support Big Randy's team? Yeah, Columbus Ohio. Columbus Ohio, what's the high school? Upper Arlington. Upper Arlington Freshman team. Jack Nicholas is all the modern. Yeah. Yeah, if you're in the Columbus area, go give Randy a shout the golden bears right that's right yeah but we need

we need some help in the kill house with decorations so if there's people out there that have if you have any artistic abilities or any any desire to have your stuff featured in the kill house shoot as an email or DM or something because we we we need some we need some action here we've got you know it's come up and stuff and it will be featured we got this yes it will be heavily featured we just an email or DM or something because we need to match. We need to match in here. We've got some stuff. And it will be featured. We've got the chief. It will be heavily featured. We've got the chief and poster that we found at the Salvation

Army. Shout out Dennis Paulson. Shout out to Dennis Paulson, the chief. We've got Liba Bransky up on the wall there. We have Lila Bransky. Shout out to Lila Bransky. You can order those posters right now and knowingup.com. Slash shop.

Get involved. I think that's it. All right, we got it. We got a couple of caddy bibs, some posters. Ballpark blueprints. Stolen backdrops on a motivational poster and a picture of the Kennedy Space Center. The Kennedy Space Center.

Of a rocket launching. It gets me absolutely amped as a top student. Try and much to tell us about the other big news that dropped this week. Yes, Sergio is going with Cal away. Yeah. Now I quit my hashtag day job this week. Unshackled.

Yeah, unshackled, unleashed. You quit your day job, but you did not quit your day dream. So here we are. Correct. I'm committing to the day dream. Yeah, I got another week and a half to go as far as my two weeks. And then from there, I'm kind of home free and ready to just ramp it up. Grind it out in the kill house.

So what does that mean? What's that mean when you guys make the change? Sally, you've kind of done it here, trying to your, on your way? Hashtag content. More content. More content. Written, video with the help of DJ, more podcasts, hopefully.

The trap draw? Hopefully more than three trap draws. I'm just here. 2017 was a tough year for everyone though. It was. You know. How many trap draws were there in 2017? I think there's six total.

I just don't know. There might have been three, maybe four in 2017. But they were good. Quality. It's like the golfers journal. It's like a quarterly podcast. It's a quarterly podcast. Yeah.

It's more of an art house. Podcast. All right, I think that's enough on us. I want to start more of an art house podcast. All right. I think that's enough on us. I want to start. We're going to start. We're going to make some predictions for 2018. And then we are going to, we got a lot of questions.

We're going to get into, I know there's a lot of questions about our operations, everything that we've got going on. So we're going to address a lot of those in kind of this preview episode for the year, but we're going to talk a little bit of golf first. Usually I do it like a December mailbag and predict all four major winners for the year, but we're going to talk a little bit of golf first. Usually I do it like a December mailbag and predict all four major winners for the year. I've only ever gotten one right ever. I'll take that one though. It was DJ at the US Open, but I want to let's bring all three of us. It's harder than you might think. We're going to each predict the major winners in 2018. So DJ First, who's your master's champion?

It's not very creative. And I don't think I would enjoy watching it all that much. But my guy's Justin Rose. Ooh. I mean, he's not a role. You know, he's going to be in the top 10. And from there, it's just kind of a crapshoot. It's kind of a numbers game.

Give me someone who's going to be up there. And we'll see. I think he, unfortunately, kind of think he might be prime for a big year. He's not the most exciting guy to watch. I don't think it's no offense to him. He's been very nice to me personally, like a number of times. He's great.

He's a great guy. The B&W. He was awesome I just I just doesn't really get me all that excited but you know I'm the same as the people have said people in the know that like yeah Justin Rose He does everything possible to be number one in the world. Yeah, like he he plays often plays around the world Gets up for big events gets up for WGT's. Totally.

You get a huge fall. Exactly. You get an absurd fall. Just stacking. Yeah. Okay, I'll take that. That's okay, right? Tron.

I'm gonna go with Mark Leishman. Oh, hoedansy that coming. I thought about that. It's time. I mean, he's gonna win one in 2018. Yeah. You wouldn't have canceled for another one. It's spoiler alert.

It's either that or shinny. Okay. I've said this in the past. I'm stickingiler alert. It's either that or shinny. So. OK. I've said this in the past. I'm sticking with it. I'm going to pick him for the next 20 years. I'm taking speed. He's going to win like five of them. So I'm bound to get one of those right.

So all right, US Open. Chinatoc. Do I start for all of them? Sure. Yeah, let's go tron first. All right. These guys were very well prepared for this. Patrick Cantler.

Whoa! All right. I love that. You heard it here first. Might have to change my PGA pick now. Whoa. You weren't prepared for that. No, I mean, yeah, it makes sense.

I'll give you a breather. No, no, no, this is the one I had packed. Okay, Mark Leachman. You know, I'm glad to hear that that we're kind of a similar wavelength there. I mean, probably all the same reasons you'd expect. All right. I'm going JT. I should have picked him to win one last year.

I didn't. I just didn't think he was there. I think he's totally there now. And I think he's going to win the US Open. I also want to take this opportunity to kind of lobby the USGA to give ZB a special exemption into the US Open if he doesn't make it on his own merit to Shinnokok, I think golden age guy. On what grounds?

Just because, you know, I think he deserves it. Okay. I think we got it. If we're on the topic of exemptions here, I can't let this pass without taking the opportunity to. No, please. It is Thursday night, the week before the Sony open and ZB and tad Fuji kawa are not yet in the field which I think is an absolute

Travis responsible for two of the greatest moments in tournament history the two greatest ZB's oh my god, that's so awesome. Oh, that's so good and then Fuji kawa first pump in the made cut I mean name a guy who's done more other than maybe, well, is it Jumbo, Zaki, or, say, Oki. Yeah, say, Oki, who's done more for that tournament than Tad Fujikawa, oh wait. Oh, I ain't got the list.

So, yeah, I'm all in. If they don't get a spot in the field, then there's something fishy fishy going on something stinks British open I'll start I Feel like I'm following just falling in line now, but I had Mark Leachman pegged to win Yeah, I think he's he almost won at St Andrews I Don't know it was between him and speed that didn't want to take Speed to win two majors,

just for mathematical purposes, but that's it. I'll go next, I'm taking Jordan Speed. For, again, all the reasons that, you know, makes sense. Hard golf course. You know, take one of the thoroughbreds. I'm gonna go to Thomas Peters. Really? Why? On what grounds?

He's a thoroughbred, man. I think he gets a little bit nervous in the big moments. He's got enough experience now. You can start walking his head P.J. Championship, Belarive. I will I know nothing about this golf course and that one single thing It's part of the Jones family legacy. It is. Yeah, I think I thought it was like way hold. I think I've reached it would had a restoration right? Oh God I thought it was a rubber trend. Yeah, it could be around prepared. We came in prepared. Yeah We've been hanging we've been hanging shit on the wall. We were not researching golf today Our producers are letting us that's accurate. I'm gonna say Brooks come I think you know

If it falls in line with kind of the rest of the PGA golf courses, which I feel like it kind of does, it's gonna be big and Brony and you know a little bit soulless and kind of I don't know just Instead of metaphors, Robert Rengeau is that metaphor? No, I realized as I said that it sounded like I was knocking Brooks That's not what I was trying to do. I just that seems to be the kind of courses. He excels at it's just kind of big and You know, I'm gonna go a three-way split you three people are gonna share the truth people are gonna share the truth Trying to do I just that seems to be the kind of courses he excels at is just kind of big and you know I'm gonna go a three-way split you three people are gonna share the truth people are gonna share the trophy The greatest player of all time DJ The McRib because he's got he's gonna win one this year like I think I think McRib is

You're going down from your predicting to win three last year down to one. It was close calling one one third of one And then Tommy Fleetwood. Yeah, we haven't talked Tommy Fleetwood yet. Okay John I already want to change my pick. I want to change my pick McRibb It's McRibb. All right. I'm taking ROM. ROM. John Rom. I forgot a ROM. You're doing a good play. It's amazing ROM is a fourth ranked player in the world, which is not overrated in the slightest shout out to the fans I'm taking ROM. John ROM. And I forgot a ROM. You're doing a good play. It's amazing. ROM's a fourth ranked player in the world, which is not overrated in the slightest. Shout out to the fans.

All right, I think that covers our only prepared topic at all. We weren't even that prepared for that at all. So are we ready for mailbag? Guys, I'm just looking at the, can you name for me? What do you think Utah, Ikeita, is ranked? Does he play a lot on the European tour? Cause that means he's ranked probably pretty high. I'm trying not to look at your screen.

One. No, he's like 50 seconds. Come on. Better than that? Shut up. 30 first. 35. Oh my God.

Something needs to be done about these rankings. It's a, it's a travesty. He is, he is 35. Peters is 36. Michelson's 37. Cantless 38. I mean, that's crazy. All right, real quick, we're gonna do an exercise here.

We are, we have the, the century tournament of champions here on TV. Some surprising names in the field to me, honestly. I'm gonna say a person's name and you're gonna have to tell me how they got into this event, okay? Actually, I'm just gonna, I'm just, I'm not looking at the field list.

I'm looking at the prior year winners. So some people, these people might be skipping, but Chris Stroud, how did he get into the tournament of champions? Just hard work, man. Just, yeah. Just the sponsors' exception. Just grit work man. Just, yeah. Just the sponsors exception. Just grit, yeah.

Chris Stroud won, he won like the, oh my god. He won Sanders and Farms. Oh, that sounds good. Barracuda. Okay. Oh, the Reno. Oh my gosh.

Billy Horseshoe. I know you, I knew this one. I we talked about this. We Sorry, this is on tell you turn. I did not I didn't get it. Close Byron Nelson. Okay. Jonas Blix. This one the New Orleans. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Do you have anything you want to say to Jonas Blix? New Orleans. New camp, yeah. Okay.

Do you have anything you want to say to Jonas Blix? Oh, yeah. I mean, somebody asked if anybody was on the verge of getting a FOTSWALT place on them. And I'm going to just give a shout out to a couple guys in the fantasy league who haven't paid their dues. I won the regular season and the playoffs in four weeks of high scores as well. Jonas and Sam, pay up. The guy that talks about his fantasy team. That was John, that was Memes 81

that sent that question in. Love you, man. OK, Russell Henley. He won. Did he win Honda? He won big tournaments. He wins like kind of like girthy regular tour events. No, Ricky won't Honda, right?

He won. It's just so hard. It's so hard. You guys, I'm starting to think. He won Houston. I'm just doing this so we can move on. I'm starting to think there might be too many tournaments. It might be. But yeah, seeing Ryan Armor and Brendan Steel and all. Ryan Armor one.

Sorry. Ryan Armor one. Stators and farms. I know that. Okay. Perfect. All right. So I watched I watched a lot of that.

I watched the silly season, man. A new year means new gear for some PGA Tor Pros and Calaway Golf is absolutely cleaning house with their new signings for 2018 announcing they have signed Master's champ Sergio Garcia, rookie of the years Andrew Schoffle, and the players champ Seawoo Kim among others. Not listed there, no laying up, I'm not taking that too personally, that's fine. Visit CallawayGolf.com slash 2018 signings for some of Callaway media productions. Amazing content. This includes a behind the scenes video of Sergio's clubs being made.

I promise that's worth your time. And that incredible Sergio flip book that everyone is talking about. There's photo galleries, player stats, podcasts, so make sure you spend a few minutes in there. Again, it's well worth your time. That's CallawayGolf.com slash 2018 signings. For now, let's get back to the podcast. Let's get into some questions. That's humiliating. That's really slender a lot of credits to our major predictions. Nelson Hunstad wants to know more likely, Bubba winning a major or club pro guy making

a comeback to grab his Mexican tour card. There's one thing we can learn. You can never count the club pro guy. Yeah, I think that's fair, but I think the Mexican, you know, it's similar to the PJ tour and that it's really easy for these guys to keep their card, but once you lose it, it's hard to get it back. You know, you got to fight through kind of, that Mexican Q school, you got to fight through kind of, navigate all the politics of that whole situation.

Maybe we have a sponsor exemption. More of a philosophical question. Yeah. Does the Mexican tour exist anymore? Did it ever? I'm sure there was a sponsor exemption. More of a philosophical question. Yeah. Does the Mexican tour exist anymore? Did it ever? I'm sure there was a Mexican tour. I'm sure there was. I don't know if there's Mexican mini tours, though.

I think that's the joke. I'm sure there had to be. I mean, I don't think it's called the Mexican mini tour, or whatever. Yeah. I don't know what it would be called. It seems like you're waiting to treacherous water here. Shout out to the Narca store though,

this year, the PGA Toyota Latino America. Making some big stops. Yeah, there's a new event in Tijuana this year. I think it's gonna be the Mexican open. We should go to that. I'm 100% planning on going. When is it? I think it's gonna be in March,

March or April, TK was saying it's kind of between like Guatemala and Honduras or Guatemala and... I'm not that familiar with the sketchbook. Yeah, that's pretty obvious. I don't even know what it is. Traditionally, that's where it is. It's 2018. It's just a date, would you say?

They haven't released the 2018 schedule yet. That's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. Philip Johnson wants to know, what is NLU use biggest concern about having Tron representing the brand in a bigger role, and what provisions will we made to limit his shenanigans? It's more of a question for you guys.

I think on my end, it's just trying to limit handouts. It's trying to limit like too many handouts where they're coming from and just kind of, you know, sullying the brand by just getting in bed with everybody. Not crooked. You're hand out tron. How many equipment changes? He's taking a handouts from everyone.

How many equipment changes? That's the other thing. Yeah, we're worried about him kind of bankrupting the Callaway truck with too many equipment changes. I need Johnny, Johnny, shout out Johnny Thompson. Said he was gonna get me dialed in once and for all. We're gonna have like six sets of trunks, old irons on display here in the killer. Based on the Wesley bride video, we might need to call it a come out with a

Tron grind wedge. Tron grind. I got that PM grind. I was the one that looks like the the the the it looks like the alien way. Crazy wedge. Yeah. All right, Ben. What do you think? What's your biggest what's your biggest concern? I think we just got to find like busy tasks for him to do to keep him like away from Twitter. The problem is I get so, I think me stepping away from my hotel revenue management job

is I get off conference calls. I'm leading conference calls all day. I get off conference calls. And I'm just like, just want to throw something against the wall so I just let off like this crazy, you know, I'll let off a tweet that's just incendiary just to let off some steam. So there's no more of those conference calls. Unchecked aggression. It's also the year of rejoicing. Oh, what does that mean? I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. Feeling it out as I go? Just like fuzzier, tron, but the takes will still be spicy.

Fuzzier. I'm not gonna take as many unnecessary shots. It's gonna be more like targeted drones. Shush. I'm gonna try to limit the civilian casualties. It's like an optimistic year of accountability. Kind of. Yeah, I mean, 2016 was the year of accountability. And then 2017 turned into year accountability accountability. Kind of. Yeah, I mean 2016 was the year of accountability. And then 2017 turned

into your accountability too. All right, well, that's good. We're due for the year of rejoicing. Yeah. Ben Bryant, top three to five non-major events on tour taking into account how it's run, course, prestige, overall vibe from players. DJ, it was top three to five. Non-major. And I think we can throw out the WGCs because they don't count. They wouldn't be in that. DJ, you've been around the block a lot more than we have as far as being in person that tournaments

and kind of seeing how they're run and what not. So the first one that springs to mind is one that I've actually never been to, which is a travesty, but the travelers. I think is the one that like, man, I was so jacked up watching that this year, and it's just, I can think back in like, name more moments from that tournament

over the last couple of years than, you know, I have many of the other ones. Shout out Ken Duke. Yeah, Ken Duke won. Bubba be rated. Ted. Ted, for the first time. Or first time that.

That lived on YouTube for like a year. Kevin Strylman, birdie in the last seven. Yeah, that was strong. Speed, obviously. If your shots are extended, speed, you're going out to win. If you're a shot, you're 52. Yeah. But like, you did.

Well, I was hung over and I sucked in my car and I got more. So did I. That was at the insurance summit, wasn't it? Oh, that was the year before the big insurance. Bar stool trotting. Got involved. Yeah, I've been in the last two years. So that's like a really trendy tournament right now.

Like Roy's going to talk, I think this year. So hot right now. So hot right now. But that's a perfect example of how great the new rule is, where guys have to add a tournament. Yeah. And like Roy had to add a tournament. He went to the travelers, had never been, loved it,

and now he's going back. Like he was kind of blown away by that. Like that's a perfect example of why that rule is fantastic. So other than that, I mean, it's not a surprise, but I think the players is up there. I mean, that's one that, you know, and I know, maybe the DJ just throwing shade at the toilet.

No, maybe I was gonna say, not major. Maybe this can't go. No, maybe I was going to say maybe. Non majors. Maybe this. Oh, no. Tour to their credit never, they're never saying fifth majors. Everybody else. Any more. No, it's everybody else that puts that on them.

They never try to do that. I don't know, maybe this carries more credence now that I don't work at the tour. But I mean, that was one of the, it was one of the things that I think before I started at the tour, I I mean, that was one of the things that I think before I started at the tour, I was like never really interested in the players and I always thought it was kind of plastic and kind of, you know, can drive a little bit and stuff, but once I started going to it, you know, moved here and started going to it every year, I mean, it's awesome.

I'm so pumped, again, for this year, and they've done such a cool job. Like, that's one of the few events to be totally honest that I think if you had never been to a golf tournament and you went to that one, I think that's one of the ones you would enjoy the most. It's built for a tournament. It's built for it. They do such a good job with all the kind of fan zones and food options and all that kind of stuff. Muffins and I came down here to visit you. That's literally why you moved here. Yeah, I don't really know how to tell that story, but yeah. I mean, I grew up going to the memorial so I's literally why you moved here. Yeah, I don't really ever told that story, but like, yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, you kind of, I grew up going to the memorial. So I was always spoiled by a tournament that had great sightlines, but like TPC Stadium is built for a tournament so everyone can see it. You're never feel congested. You never feel like you're fighting for a view. If you want to see something, you can see it

almost at any occasion. So, but yeah, no surprise, I'm gonna nominate the memorial. I mean, it's always been one of the best tournaments. And like, players absolutely love it. It's a smaller field. The players have always been treated, one of the, they essentially get treated like royalty. And kind of that tournament was a ring leader

in changing the culture a bit on tour as to how tournaments were run and how players were treated, how caddies were treated, courtesy cars, and things like that. They were a huge leader in that. So players always quick to nominate that one in the field represents that one. I think the other one I would say,

which I had never been to until this year, but the heritage was awesome. I know you've been to it more times than I have, and you can probably speak to it more, but it's just, it's like everybody's just, got it dialed back a couple of notches. Yeah, it's a good frequency. It's really chill.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's kind of a throwback course on tour and everybody, you know, always gets a pretty, pretty solid field. The RBC mafia comes out and full support. But yeah, I would say, yeah, my, my, my, we're going to be to be heritage travelers. I'm a big fan of the Val Spar. Yeah, I think like it's the rest of the tape. It's a hot sucks. It's a hot spot on the schedule. Especially with the WGC in Mexico now and then the you know with the with going to Austin for the match play and it's like it's really it's talking of WGC's, that one might be up there.

Mexico? No, the match play is so cool, you know, at Austin country. Yeah, I want to get there. I want to get to the Mexico event. That was lit. Yeah, it was awesome. It was wild.

But yeah, I think that one, Valspar is just a solid course. And, you know, I mean, that, like that tournament was almost, I think the first year or second year they had, it was like right after 9-11 Like it almost went away, almost immediately and then they've kind of Slowly built it up and built it up. They use their exemptions well. That's another thing for me

If you use exemptions well. Yeah, it's a good point like the John Deere the travelers a heritage all those use their exemptions Well, so yeah, the heritage is is a good example of I as well. Yeah. The Heritage is a good example of, I don't know, I don't want to trigger anybody in the room, but it kind of reminds me of Firestone a little bit in that when you watch it on TV, it just looks so boring and kind of characterless. And I think the Heritage kind of has a little bit of that too. Like when a lot of the holes seem to run together when you watch on TV and stuff, but when you're actually there watching guys hit shots and shape shots and think on the

tee, that's kind of the opposite of Firestone. But when you watch them, you know, just thinking about what club to hit, like how long did you mean Randy sit on the ninth tee just watching guys like choose what club to hit? It was awesome. They're shaping it both away. What a Charles Howell hit. Seven. Seven.

We didn't even realize it. And then he comes up to us after the round and apologized. That's what I was going to say, Firestone. Like, the players really seem to love Firestone. It is like a really well-run event. But I know we kind of threw out WGC's and whatnot. But BMW last year, again, I'm not

into a ton of events, but BMW's fantastic. I mean, just such clean appearance of everything. Like it's just, it's in everything runs really smoothly. It's run by the Western golf association. Yeah, and you can tell the courses that do a really good job, or the, what's the right way to say it, the tournaments that move to different sites and just bring the heat every time is, you know, the best, they got to be on it. It's the best every time is the best.

They gotta be on it. It's the best indicator of the tournament organizers, obviously. And BMW, I went to it at Conway Farms twice, I've been doing it at Crooked Stick, I've been doing at Cherry Hills and every year, I mean, it's awesome. It's like... They pick a course. The presentation's always so good with the white,

just looks so cool. Maybe because it looks like a Euro Tour event, it just feels different and kind of, it's like, can I vent a little bit? God, I would love that. Please. I think the PGA tour needs to show the Midwest and the upper Midwest in particular, some love.

Dude, you know, there's. I agree, I mean, there's gotta be reasons that they don't, like I just know. I think they're trying to get back there, but like, there's a web tour event in Sioux City this year. There's a, there's a new champions tour event in Detroit, but like- So pumped about that.

Yeah, so allegedly, and this is all published material, I think, but like, big cats, the tournament doesn't have a sponsor this year. Like, unless quick, quick and says they're not going to sponsor it, unless they move it to Detroit, which is where they're headquartered. Yeah. And big cat wants to leave it. It still doesn't have a host venue. It's not going to be a congressional.

It still doesn't have a host venue. They don't have a course for this year. They don't have a course for this year. They don't have a sponsor or a course. And it's like, guys, just move the tournaments to Detroit, people will come out and support it. It'd be sick. That would be awesome.

It is weird. Yeah, I'm looking at the schedule right now. Like Minnesota, it is really weird. It's insane. The national. It says the national. And so like each one has like traveler's championship, TBC River Highlands, Kromo, Connecticut,

and then like a little bullet and then purse. And then you go to the website. It just says the national with just the bullet point. It says like plan your visit, like you know, plane tickets, a combination of like, you click on them and you're like, you know, you're like, what are we doing? Where we fly.

But like think about it, I mean Minnesota, Wisconsin, like when they had the Soulheim Cup in Des Moines, I was gonna say, I was, yeah. That was electric. Yeah. You know those people love golf up there. Maybe a short season, but like. I mean Canada's kind of the same thing

Pacific Northwest too. There's no tournaments up there. You can have one up there in July Like in yeah, that's plenty of time to grow in a course. I mean that that warwick Hills event the Buick I don't know one of the nine Buick tournaments They can't always use to play in that and that got that guy pretty It's so cool. Get Buick back in the game. Bob Seager played in the pro-Av and stuff. It was awesome. I agree. I mean, there's got to be a reason that it doesn't happen.

I don't think it's just, you know, it's not just like a blind spot. They haven't forgotten about it. Yeah, that's just. I think Big Cat wants to, like, he's married to DC because he wants to honor the military. Yeah. Thank you for your service.

Yeah. You can honor the military in Michigan soon. Military everywhere. Yeah. There's like thank you for your service. Yeah, you can honor the military in Michigan military everywhere. Yeah There's kill houses everywhere. This is everywhere man. Totally I don't know God. I hope I didn't realize that about quick and that's that's a good kind of That's a good beacon of hope maybe because I know they were trying to push that remember when they wanted to do the the Ricky and Rory Exhibition. Yeah, they got canceled. I think that was going to be in Detroit.

It's no lack of trying. Like, they're trying to get it there. I just, I mean, these, you know, whatever, if we've all seen how these things work. I mean, they're big-ass operations. And there's a lot that goes into it. So, I don't know, hopefully they're... By the way, I looked up if there's like a...

I just googled Mexican mini tour golf This the first seven six of the first seven hits on Google are Club pro guy And then there's a there's one there's one hit that says PGA to Mexico and then there's a big picture of the shrimp I'm the front really yeah, I should know we're gonna see the shrimp. I'm in the front really. Really? I should know about that. Are we going to see the shrimp on the web tour next year? We are. Yeah.

Have you explained the shrimp? I know this is kind of a, it's something that you definitely talk about on Twitter a lot. I don't know. It's kind of a passion. I would love to bring it to the masses and get people following the story. I think it's really shrimp. The shrimp. Oh, yeah.

So T.K. Kelly on the PGA Tour Latino America tipped me off this past year. I wanted to go down to a event. I couldn't make it happen. But the Shrimp, aka Jose de Hasey, Sriracha is aka El Camarón, which is Shrimp and Spanish. He's kind of a mini-tour legend down there. I guess he got deported from the States when he was in his teenage years or, you know,

just out of high school. And he ended up getting deported, ends up coming back, or, sorry, ends up playing the web tour. He was, he won low-sync over the last year by like, I don't know, $50,000, which is like twice as much as the next guy made. It's like what Ted Potter used to do, the hooters. Exactly. Exactly. But I guess he's qualified a couple of times, but he hasn't been able to come back because he hasn't legally been allowed to come back into the country. Extremes. Yeah. Yeah. So allegedly they got everything worked out and he's graduating to the web tour this year.

Beyond just the web tour Latin American stops. So I'm pumped. What a saga. I'm pumped. All right. El Scrant. All right, Scott McLean, when are the saucies coming? Sully?

I think the saucies are canceled. The The sausages are not no longer... Christmas is canceled this year. It's kind of... It's a gray area, I guess you could say. Look, we'd love to do it, but my boss. I don't even think it's gray. It's not a gray. It's not gray.

Basically, it would be accumulating a bunch of videos that we don't necessarily have the rights to into one place, which is not the best look from what I gather. And the spirit of the law, so we have the rights, but the letter of the law. It's more about the letter of the law. Yes, so yeah, that's why there's no saucies. There's apparently actually people paying attention now,

so we can't necessarily just throw a bunch of clips into one post, so. Speaking of paying attention. Rest of Payne and I think we got the TV on behind Brian Harmon is sponsored by an actual company that's just called Mega Corp. Which seems like it looks like like an EA sports character that's just starting out. Like that's the first sponsor you get. It's a good illustration of late stage count. People have been tagging the Mega Corp. There's a there's a crypto currency called Tron really? Yeah, we've he's been tagging me in that all the time. Like you know, Tron's up like 2000 percent. There's

that conglomerate owns all the newspapers called trunk. Also, maybe we can work that in Luke Smith wants to know what travel plans are on deck for 2018 are particular US based courses on the list Yes, but we'd have to kill you if we told you yeah, it's hard to win the answer. Yeah, I mean, I think there's some Well, let's let's back up here and saw it. Maybe you take this one talk through Why we're in Australia. Yeah, what's coming from that. I think that kind of leads us into. Okay, I mean, this is kind of your baby, but do it. But so yeah, we spent, we're coming out with a video series

that we're calling Taurus Sauce. We spent, season one is going to be the recent trip we just made to Australia and New Zealand. And it's going to be somewhere between six to eight episodes. We're unsure. We have the footage. We haven't edited yet.

Deep in the process. Deep in the process. So, the goal is to kind of create a travel series that is not necessarily what to do, how to do it necessarily, but it's more of an entertaining base. You can describe it by the time. No, I think that's on the right track. I mean, I think there's a limited amount of golf travel stuff.

I think doing this golf travel stuff is expensive. I mean, it's expensive to take crews around. It's expensive to travel and do all this stuff. So I think a lot of time it ends up becoming kind of info-mercial E, which is kind of the opposite of what we're trying to do here. We're trying to get it to a point where we're paying our own way, we're kind of bootstrapping it as much as we can.

We're lucky in Australia to have a lot of support from a lot of the members down there who are helping us out and met a ton of fantastic people. The hope is we can do something similar here in the States as well. We've got a couple more seasons planned. We don't necessarily, I don't think we want to share them at the moment because And a ton of fantastic people and the hope is we can do something similar here in the States as well. We've got a couple more seasons planned. We don't necessarily, I don't think we want to share them at the moment because I think they're kind of unorthodox and I think we got some cool ideas that we want to do that we don't necessarily want to scoop ourselves on.

But other than, yeah. So tour sauce is the big one. And then I think other stuff, you know, and you guys jump in here too, but I think all stuff like like what we did a stream song is yeah, is I think a huge part of what we want to do in 2018 where it's let's go in and let's just like showcase, you know, let's not go in and and tweet a photo from these places like let's go in and bring it to life and figure out what the background of this place is and what's the history here and what else can you do there and like all of that stuff. And so, I mean, I think there's a lot of those places

that are on the list that wouldn't surprise anybody. I mean, I'd love to do one of those at Bannon and Pinehurst and San Valley and even more, way under the radar places that people have never heard of. But, hopefully we got like a big slush fund as far as just stuff that, that we want to shine a light on and kind of celebrate it. Yeah, and I think not to sound cheesy, hopefully,

but I mean, if there are places that people listening to this want to see, like let us know, that's kind of the whole point is, you know, what would you need to kind of make a decision on where to go for a golf trip? And that's kind of hopefully the hole we're trying to fill. Yeah, or even, I mean, like one of my little pet projects for this year is looking at different,

just kind of uncovering old Florida. So you've got places like Polatka or Mission Inn or like, you know, there's a park. Yeah, I park. Like there's so many just scruffy old courses with good bones around here. Capital, yeah. Same thing up in New England. That's right. Yeah, I'd park. Like there's so many just scruffy old courses with good bones around here. Capably. Same thing up in New England.

Exactly. And, you know, but I think whether it's a Glitzy Resort or, you know, or a nice private club or the shittiest municipal course, like as far as conditioning goes, I think they all have value and we want to kind of celebrate. Yeah. Yeah.

What's right with them and then you know, give people a reason to care about them too. Yeah. I mean, we're going to do, we're going to do a lot of different stuff in 2018. I mean, that's, a lot of people have been asking about the frequency of this podcast lately, but there's been a lot of other things on our plate. We do a lot of things other than just this podcast and the Australia stuff is a lot of work and there's going to be some other good stuff coming down the pipeline I promised. And I think frankly, like I don't know what your guys' thoughts on it are, but I think it's

been good to just kind of disappear for a little while and get our shit together and kind of like, you know, the golf hasn't been crazy entertaining. I don't really feel like I've missed all the odds. The offseason, not tune it in, but it was fun. It was fun to come to the Kale House tonight and be like, wow, I'm ready to watch golf. It's back, golf in months. Yeah, I mean, I just haven't.

And it's nice to step away. And the fact that kind of come back a little refreshed and ready to bring it. I think the second or third week of the, quote unquote, off season, there was two tournaments in the same way. That was amazing. That's my favorite week of the year. People are so fatigued with golf and there's two events in the same week.

Yeah. It's the best. But I'll just, I just, I just asked that people have just, just have a little bit of faith. Like we got, we're, we're working on a lot of stuff around the clock. We'll have, have faith. And also have, you know, the, the energy and the excitement to tell us what you want to see. Yeah. You know.

And be creative. I mean, it really helps. It really helps. LPGA, Euro Tour, you know, Champions Tour, amateur golf, mid amateur golf, all that stuff. I mean, it all has a place. So we love all of it. Yeah. We could legitimately get to every single one of those this year in some capacity.

That's the goal. So grant gates wants to know what does the Pro Am Tour schedule look like for 2018? We're going to sit down as a team and schedule it out. I think last year was a bit of fatigue there at the end of the year with maybe try to do too much, try to do too many pro amps. It was a little bit backloaded.

It reflected in my play, really. So I'm going to space it out a little bit better and hope for a better year in 2018. That's great. Yeah, I think that's really smart. I didn't think you going to Singapore was a good idea. You could tell you were just low energy jet. I don't even know.

I had the same deals when speed speed one over a couple years ago. I just couldn't do it, couldn't do it. We just roasted his representatives. Chad Feltz wants to know if the franchise is coming out of retirement to loop from me on the PGA tour program circuit in 18. Better you than me. I don't know if it could be looping for me.

If you guys haven't go listen to the franchise's episode of the trap draw podcast, that's my favorite trap draw. My goal, by the way, is I would love to get both of you guys in a program at some point. I would love to get both of you guys in the same program and just be able to like roast each other. Well, roast each other, but also just make people like choose sides.

Oh, I like that idea. Just. I like that idea. I like that idea. Just team Sean, team Sali. Like who's? Will you double bag it? Will you carry with us? Yeah. I have my hand. And work the camera. Super producer. Charlie, give me shots though. How many shots do you want? A lot. I'm a three. You're like a five. I'll give you two. No, I'm like eight now. No, you're not. Yeah, dude. He's at your feed. I'm the worst video. The worst video is not good. My confidence is shot. Yeah.

No, no, you look good. Charlie Kilgore, are you clowns going to be hitting most of the regular tournaments? What is our travel schedule for this year for tournaments? I would say I mean no, I would say definitely it going to be a big John McCain thumbs down on that one. I don't know. I don't know how you guys feel. I'm big on just picking our spots.

I think there's a balance to strike. There is. And it's a lot of people probably can't either don't realize or haven't thought about it this way, but there's so many people on site these days all trying to do the same things that so many times, it seems to ask backwards, but I mean, there's so many times where it's easier to cover an event when you're sitting on the couch and you're making jokes here and noticing things together and talking about, you know, he's missed right a lot today. Like that's weird.

And you just start thinking about things that way rather than trying to fight for position on site or like it's so useful to go early week and talk to guys and kind of do the interview stuff and the news gathering stuff. But once the tournament starts, it's just a weird reality that it's hard to... It's luck.

Like, you got to pick the right guys to follow. If you pick the wrong guy, you just missed out on a day. For sure. That's what you'll see. If there's a crowded leaderboard on Sunday afternoon, most of the writers are inside watching Media Center. It's not a slight on them by any means. They need to be.

Yeah, otherwise you don't know what the hell is going on and it's just I think we lean more towards like the golf fan side like when I'm there I can't sit in the media center and watch it. I have to go watch the golf. Like otherwise what's the point in really going but no I think I mean yeah we kind of started out from the very beginning always just being guys that watch on TV and made commentary along with what people are watching. I mean this is the first time like I've been able to watch golf at the Easton College almost on a regular like in the same room on a regular basis. For some reason we've been in the same

location for the Uncle Juice joke. Try the best tweet of 2017. But I mean we at the at the same time, going to tournaments you learn so much more, like getting to watch, you just kinda, it's not like during the immediate week, you may not be a better reporter. I don't wanna use a word reporter, but an analyst or any kind, but like you build up like,

panelists. Yeah, panelists. You build up this kind of knowledge base that you can draw back on, right? Like watching, I don't know, I've watched Rory play maybe a hundred holes a golf this year. Like you just learn kind of how he does things and watch the ball flight and get to see things

that you don't see on TV. Yeah, I mean, sitting and answering questions about which tournaments have the best vibe. Obviously, you don't know that unless you go to the tournament. So. And just the guys, I mean, for all, and this isn't a slight on the TV guys, we'll get to that later in the year,

I'm not sure. But like, once there's a leaderboard kind of developed, they only show into 10 guys, and if you wanna learn about some of the new guys out on the tour, you gotta get out there watching yourself. I mean, that's going back to being a heritage. Like we've said that a million times, both here and everywhere else, that the best thing you can possibly do, if you're a hardcore golf fan, if you listen to this podcast, you

know, Audis, you probably are. There's nothing more fun than just going and following one dude for 18 holes and just watching him just build around. Front row seat. If you choose a guy that is not DJ, speech of that group, you can have a front row seat to every shot. Or like on a Saturday morning, go out and fall. Let's say you want to follow a bigger name player.

Go out and first thing on Saturday morning, somebody that just sneaks into the cut line. Yeah, you tell stories from Falling Pat Perez, like 15 years ago. Yeah, fantastic. So I guess the very long-winded answer to that question is hopefully, I just took the lead. The 60th now.

The long-winded answer is I think that, you know, we just got to pick our spots and figure out. Honestly, I don't think it's that different than the players must play different events every five years. You've had a role. Yeah. Like, our goal, my goal at least, I think, is to try to get to as many tournaments I've

never been to as I can. You know, I don't have a ton of interest in going to Bay Hill for the seventh time. Right. You know, or I don't, you know, that- We're going to, I mean, we're going to go to a European tour event here in the very near future, and we are going to go to an European tour event here in the very near future, and we are gonna go to an LPGA event here this summer, and we're gonna do a lot of different stuff

in that regard, so. But again, if there's stuff that, you know, people are, you know, there's a critical mass of people that are curious about what's this like on site, what's this like off site? Like, that's the other thing too, is I think, so many of these, you know, so many of these tournaments are interesting

when you start thinking about them in kind of like a, how do you go have a fun weekend sort of capacity? And so it's like, you know, we've talked about just going to, going to events and maybe going to the event for a day and then having kind of like a, you know, fan meetup sounds weird, but you know, just kind of like listeners and followers and stuff like, let's all go meet at a bar somewhere and community.

Yeah, and trying to figure out kind of what the right cities for those kinds of things are too, I think is stuff that would be good to have some feedback from people on. We were thinking New York, the US Open in New York, we knew it was so fun. During or prior, during or kind of earlier in the week for New York, for Gering Shinny.

But that's another one where it's like, man, I have zero interest in going to try to fight crowds and watch that one on site. Let's kick our feet up and watch on TV. So, So, That's what I was gonna say is Fox, like that's why we harp on so much

like about the importance of television coverage. It's like that to me right there is like, we can watch the US Open on TV because Fox shows so much live golf. Like at the unnamed other broadcast companies don't necessarily, like you're at their mercy for whatever storyline. So this is a year of rejoicing.

That's right. I said I'm gonna, no, but we're gonna give them a chance. We're gonna give them a shot to see what they come back with this year. Yeah, knew you knew me. We were giving them a shot. Give them the benefit of the doubt and then once they betray that benefit of the doubt, we know what's coming. They're going to get demolished.

We know what's coming. All right, Lyon's analysis is a lengthy one. He's taking advantage of the 280 rule. Driving distance has increased by about 30 yards on average since the ProVe that's around 300 yards extra distance. Aren't courses 300 yards longer now than they were in 2000. Also why is distance the only variable discussed when we talk about lower scores now? I flag this one because I think this is kind of not to pick on Mr. Lyon's analysis that

it's kind of the flawed logic and where, and I talked about it some with Michael Clayton on the last podcast where the discussion on technology kind of gets lost and that it's not as simple as making a course longer to address the ball going further, right? Because like, I think Andy tweeted this a couple months ago, like a 520 yard hole now for like somebody like is driver A-dion, whatever it is.

I mean, because you can hit it 340 and then A-dion, if you reduce it by 10%, reduce the ball by 10%, that becomes a driver for iron hole for him. And just how different bunkers come into play, the way courses were designed, when you guys played the Hickory Clubs at Royal Melbourne, bunkers came into play with that old equipment that didn't come into play with the modern equipment and how it just feels like cheating, hitting it over all this stuff. I think there's going to be a lot of discussion this year on technology.

It's not going to go away. Really, I love the momentum that's going on this conversation right now, but I think it's important to keep it guided and keep it focused on like It's not about low scores. It's not about power. I don't know if that's what people are fired up about No, I don't I don't I get I hear that a lot though. It's like well All right, if you're gonna hit it 300 yards. Let's just make the fairways narrower and grow the rough It's like no, that's the that's the wrong logic like Logic should be like that should the ball just in all, like, the ball, the combination,

all the equipment should it go that far. That's, that's the focus point, I think. Yeah, I don't know. That's a hard one. I don't know if I'm totally following the entire question. I think he's just saying like the ball, the, the courses have been longer. The courses have, have, have accommodated a longer hitter. Yeah, I, I think it's talking it up to the ball being.

Yeah. I, I think I, I, I very, very, very much could be wrong on this and apologies if I'm being naive, but I think kind of what you're saying, Sally, is that the ball doesn't increase, it increases exponentially, right? So it's not necessarily that, you know, it is, it's going 10% further, it's not going 10 yards further. And so just adding more length isn't, like the more length you add, the more advantage you give to the bombers, basically.

And it's just like this self-defeating cycle. Yeah. You know, it's like when they tried to, you know, Andy Johnson talks about this all the time. Like when they, when they try to tiger-proof courses, you know, and make them longer and more dependent on hitting it long and straight. Like guess what, the longest straightest driver's

probably gonna win more. And the whole thing just seems so bad. Well, I'll disagree with you there, though. There's less than but it's on hitting it straight, there too, because. Now there is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not like the longest straightest driver

because if you have a wedge in your hand out of, for sure, decent, rough, you still have an advantage over somebody else far away hitting a six iron. I think the problem with, and I think kind of what is questioned is either missing or not getting at is, with distance kind of increasing exponentially,

it's just squeezing out the guys in the middle and on the bottom. And so that's the problem. And also that obviously goes with all the points that people beat to death, which is, we're just matter-effectively, we're going to run out of land to keep lengthening these things and all of those, the water issues and all those problems, the time rounds take issues, all that. So, I don't know.

It's my thing is. I thought about it so much. I don't even know where my stance is anymore. It's not just the distance that the golf ball goes, right? It's how freaking straight the ball goes. You can't shape it anymore. You don't need to shape it anymore. And going hand in hand with that

is the way that a lot of the courses in this country almost increasingly play in certain areas is it's through the air. Yeah. It's defeated the element of, I mean, there's so many courses over in the UK or down in Australia or, you know, I'm sure all over the world, I'm sure even in places in the states where you don't want to be 340 yards down that certain line. You want to be 260 yards up there to have a certain angle. And I think that's what's kind of gotten lost

in translation too. That's why I'm the big event that is circled on my imaginary cliche calendar right now is 24. 24. 24, yeah. Because I've already heard whispers from a couple tour guys who are like, oh man, that place is so gimmicky, it's so stupid. I think guys are gonna hate it.

I'm like, I know, that's why I love it. I wanna see guys, that's the whole point. I wanna see bombing gougers get punched in the face. Yeah, I know, and I don't know. It's so hard, I forget who wrote, I think Jaime wrote the piece about, I forget what whole it was. It was 12 at TPC. I'd see Bob.

Yeah, and he was talking about kind of uphill battle that architects are facing now. Oh, that bunker? Yeah, where it's like, you know, when we try to influence strategic design, everybody, it's kind of like the loud voice in the room just says this is unfair and stupid and I'm just going to hit it over here. And like that is kind of, I don't know, it's a really weird thing where it's like, you

know, the tour can do everything it can to try to put these guys on these strategic off courses. But if all of them come off and say, this is stupid, this is stupid, this is stupid. Like who are fans gonna believe? Right. Are they gonna believe in the tourism on this podcast? Or are they gonna believe people, you know, which it's just a weird situation.

But what you said, Tron, like going back to being like fast and firm conditions, defining things like is, is like golf, like after as much golf as I played in the UK this year, it kind of ruined me for like aerial golf. No, we didn't. That's the video.

It ruined me for like, like going, I didn't wanna come back and like hit wedges and land them next to pins anymore. I wanted to aim off the green to use a slope to bring it in there, like that's just golf is infinitely more interesting when it's like fast and firm and you gotta, you gotta worry about a ball going too far. Like how often does DG have to worry about a ball going too far on the tour?

No, he grabs driver and just cranks it. Like, Royal Berkdale, dudes had hit irons on 500 yard, par four sometimes, because you gotta worry about it going rolling out too far to a certain bunker. Well, like the fact too that it goes hand in hand with, everybody talks about the resource constraints, either land or water. Well, you know what, if you want your course to play firm and fast you know ideally you have sandy soil but also

just water at less. I think it's brown and that's a bad thing. That was like last year you know I remember watching it was so dry out in Reno and they were playing the Reno Tahoe open and they just watered this shit out of the course and was like guys come on man like shit out of the course. And he was like, guys, come on man, like let the course play as it, you know, as it is actually. It depends on the soil type though too. That's the thing is, yeah, I think,

well, where I grew up and in kind of central in North Illinois and it's, I don't know, I mean as soon as those courses get like, you know, quote unquote, firm and fast, if they're not building the right spot, you know, they may just die. It's not, yeah, it's, but it's, it's hard. I don't know. All right.

Allister. Yeah, it is great question. Allister Allen, best course you played in 2017. Do you do like a top five if you want? Top five. No, you want to. Top five. I don't want to turn down to five. Let's do

tough. I mean, my the old course that shouldn't count though. That's that's in its own category. No, counts. That's the old course for sure. Then why? I mean, I was talking to somebody. It might have been one of you guys the other day about basically everything we just got done talking about, which is I've never walked off a golf course, having hit it so well, no big deal, and scored so poorly, and just been so confused and enthralled, and had so much fun doing it.

I don't, I granted the fairways very wide and stuff, but I've never driven the ball like I had. I drove it, correct sides of the fairways, shaped it the right way. I was doing everything right. And I, I shot like 81 or 82 or something. Like it was awful. Like how, I could not have put myself in better position

to score on every hole. And I've just got punched in the mouth because I just kept missing in the wrong spots of the greens. And like, I mean, it was just so fun. And then once you've missing the wrong spots of the greens. And like, I mean, it was just so fun. And then once you've missed in the wrong spots of the greens, then you're, you know, then you're three putting or four putting or five putting or you're chipping to the wrong spot or whatever.

It was like, the holes where I missed it in the right spot or, you know, hit it close or whatever, obviously I did well, but it was just such a perfect example of being rewarded for being in the right spots and doing the right things and thinking. And it's just so much fun to be able to do that. Did you walk off and want to be like right back out there? Like, oh, I could do it. I could do it so much better.

Yeah, I mean, it was so, and obviously the vibe of the place is, I mean, that a control. Literally as good as it gets. So, you're going around. It's like, when you're standing on 17 and you realize, oh shit, the hotel is totally in place. No, absolutely. It's not a gimmick, it's very much in play. And there's that, I chunked, I played 18, I'm only doing this because this is a whole that everybody

knows, I usually go shop by shop. But hit the fairway, I had, I didn't hit it far, but I had price 60, 70 yards in. And chunked the shit out of my second shot, just like laid this out over it, like dribbled it up and had probably like 30 yards, I'd say, to the pin. And was no way I was gonna hit two wedges like that back to back. And so I ended up putting it from the middle of the fairway. Rolled up, takes all the slope.

You don't realize like how much until you play it, you don't realize how much that 18th green slopes from right to left and how hard it slopes. And I ended up lagging it to like a foot from like 30 yards in the middle of the fairway. And there's one dude just standing up in the corner on the white railing who was just, yeah! And that is like, I don't know, it's just something that doesn't happen anywhere else.

So awesome. Tron, best course played in 2017. It's tough to beat any of those Australia ones, but I would say Fisher's Island. That was a day, we a great great weather day of Zach and Andy from Friday and Anthony Pupy and Man, we just we had a day and I beat Andy Straight up straight up Elite I thought he was in the lead ameter. I did too

But yeah, I mean the just rain or rain or rain or rain or alps alps alps. Yeah, what was the what was the rain or man like that day? That's Nick name of all. He wasn't like a he wasn't like a diabetic coma. But yeah, I mean, just just all experience you take you take a boat over the boat drops you on like the 17th or 18th T and then you know from there you just kind of like the greenskeeper walked up on the first T tells us, he apologizes to us for the course being so green because they've gotten a lot of rain lately and they don't have total his full much irrigation. They wanted it and like it to play firm and fast and it just wasn't firm enough for his taste That's awesome, so I'm gonna go with

I'm gonna do it Tariety. Yeah Tariety I I was willing to say Tariety before I even played the course. DJ's man of the people you guys are going ultra private Mine was part of the Blair Wish project. That's true. It was, it was, and we'll, we'll, there'll be more to come on this one, but it was just like, it was the combination of the vibe, the setting, and the actual golf course was, it's just spoke to me in a way that a golf course really hasn't ever done before. You never stop hearing the ocean, the entire round you hear the ocean.

It's an ultra private, super exclusive, extremely wealthy club. I drove a very nice BMW to the course and felt kind of sheepish about it because there were four helicopters parked around the putting green yet the vibe is like a boys club like you you want to play a six-some go play a six-some you want to grab a cocktail and go hit six iron punch six irons from 70 yards into punch bowls and go mess around the go ahead like that's that's and that's what we did before even played and so I've kind of fell in love with the place before we even played it, and then you go play it. It's Tom Doat course in the most unbelievable setting.

You can imagine that all the shots you want to play up slopes to get to pins and stuff. All the punch shots you can play into these slopes, it was exhilarating, it was amazing, and that was the one that kind of spoke to me the most. So, old course was probably my number two for the year, but I played the old course before, and I had experienced it this summer better

than I ever had before, but that was the biggest shock of the year. What was the biggest, like most pleasant surprise course of the year? Ooh, that's a good question. West Lancashire? Yes, unequivocally yes. Like, it was, I don't know why, like... That, or for me, that, or like lost farm,

I thought I was gonna love ball-moo-gold dunes and then I hadn't heard all that much about loss farm. And that loss farm was insane. I didn't really. West Langstere, you and I never heard of what we played it. Yeah, but like everybody before was like, man, you guys really are gonna like West Langst,

that's like a little under the radar jam. Yeah, especially that, just those first four or five holes, was just like the best way to pick off that trip. That's a great, I love that golf course. And then second, I got to play it again this summer and it holds up. I played a couple courses where the first time you play it, it's amazing.

And then you go back and it's kind of like, okay, maybe I got a little too excited. That was not the case with that one, but you won't find on any top 100 list. It doesn't even make Dokes confidential guide, which I could not, I had to flip back a couple times. I couldn't believe that it wasn't listed in there. You?

I think mine was, I'm trying to think, Polatka? No, I lost my asset, like a bad vibes. I played, there was a nine hole in Indiana that I played with Andy Johnson at Culver Academies, which is this Langford, Maraud golf course that's at this ultra private prep school that I mean all these diplomats, kids go to and they have this incredible nine hole golf course that was so fun.

That was an awesome friend of the pod, J. Rigdon, actually lives right on the second hole or something. And right nearby, if we played with him, that was a pretty fun day. Michael Fisselli, the superintendent's also a fan. Oh, yeah, great guy. He was out there walking a couple of holes with us. Yeah, he was awesome. That one was up there.

All right, a couple more here. We're going on an hour. All right, RJ Tapist, who is out there that may be breaking out like Shoffley on the PGA tour or Fleetwood on the Euro tour? I mean, it's not even like, it's beyond trendy to say can't lay at this point, right? I don't think he's to qualify. He's to qualify. He's to qualify.

Yeah. Man, I'm gonna have to get back into this. In the recent tournament. My instinct on the Euro tour is a guy that I saw play like three holes in a practice round at the PJ Championship. Jordan Smith, like the dude, the ball sounds, I hate that cliche, but the ball sounds different off his club faces. It's kind of a shorter dude, but that guy absolutely flushes it.

I'm not a talent projector, but I saw a shitload of potential out of him. There's a guy. That's just like my trendy Euro tour pick for the- No, talent projector. I'm not. Oh my gosh. That's your what you project yourself. I'm never right. That's true.

You're loud though. Yeah. But I am right. I don't know if you know. I'm not good at it. There's a, there's a dude Julian Surrey, that just won on the European tour, lives here in Pontavigir. He and I go to the same barber.

My barber was talking him up, and I started to dig back in. I think he's a duke guy. Just one recently I could see him making little noise. He's up to like, I think he's like top 70 in the world for somewhere up there. I'm gonna say, I mean, he won last year on the tour, so I'm gonna say Pat and Kazir. Yeah, you're probably Chess and it's been

bringing some noise too. He's consistent, plays well. I mean, I'm a resurrect just career, you know, so. All right, last question. This is, I saved this one for last. This may be the best one. I've heard this asked before, but Chad Douglas, if each of you could ask Big Cat one question,

what would it be? Oh my gosh. I don't know, you've been thinking about it. What would you use? I would ask, I don't know exactly how to ask it, but I would ask if you can go back and change any one thing you did. You can only change one decision you made. What would you change?

Yeah. And your whole life. Gosh. Man, this is like, what do we have to do? We should do a whole podcast about this question. I know what I'd ask him. What do you got? Yo dude, you mind if I have a sugar free popsicle? I knew when I saw that grin on your face

that we were not getting what we wanted. I don't know. I think I would just, I don't know the right way to frame it, but I wish you could get an honest, like a really, really, really honest, candid answer on whether he enjoys playing golf at this point. I mean, I feel like he, I feel like he's kind of answered that over the last, I don't know, three months or so though. Like I don't think, if he really didn't enjoy playing golf,

he would have, I don't think he would. I don't think he would, I don't think he would walk away. I don't, I don't know. We're not in the business of being like- Or try with the same veracity to get back, right? I mean, I feel like he's actually working. He's, he has a spine fuse. Yeah, I know I know That's why I don't know it blows my mind maybe because I don't have any

Ambition even close to what he has but I just can't express your Ship things and like the thing with monster energy drinks is a good example of like man Do you what what are we doing here like Is this what you want to be doing? Like this seems so weird to me. I don't know. That's a horrible answer that leaves way more questions than answers, but I don't know. I don't know what that's a too big of a question. I'm going to have to think about that one.

I want to change my answer from earlier. I go with Cure Deck, I'll be born rat. For your bust out. I thought that's what you were going to ask Tiger. I've got married last year, just vaping his face off. All right, let's wrap it on Kierdeck, vaping his face off. First kill house pod in the books. In the books. All right, thanks everybody for tuning in. Thanks for the questions and we'll be back next week crack on Cheerio

All right, we're gonna do something different on these pods for this year a little discussion pods We're gonna leave you guys with a question DJ. I think we should go to that last one Yeah, I think that was the best question we've got and you're right I think I've seen that a couple, but I never get tired of the answers. So I think if you made it this far in the podcast, tweet at one or all of us, what's the one question you would ask Tiger? I think that's great.

Very curious to hear and think about and laugh about all of your answers. Specific question. Specific one specific question. Can't just be like, oh, Tiger Tiger was it worth it yeah yeah right no specific yeah yeah all right signing off for real let's wrap it off let's wrap it there good That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most.