No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 116: Farmers Insurance Wrap with Brendan Porath

Episode Date: January 29, 2018

*Brendan Porath from SB Nation joins to talk about the Farmers Insurance Open, Tiger’s return to play, Alex Noren, Jason Day, and the CBS broadcast. We also discuss the Ryder Cup, what to expect from... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 116: Farmers Insurance Wrap with Brendan Porath appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Guys, I'm not going to lie going into this new golf season. I wasn't like over the moon excited about the Rogue Driver in Callaway. You've heard me talk rave about my epic driver that I put in the bag last year, significant upgrade over a driver I'd had for over five years. And just didn't, I loved the epic. I didn't necessarily feel like I needed to change. Callaway, of course, sent us some rogue drivers and I tried it out for the first time today and I couldn't believe that it somehow got better

and I swear to God, I'm not just saying that. It felt longer, it felt like I was more in more control of it. The main difference between the epic and the rogue is the more forgiveness and I stood over a couple drives and I swear it just felt like cheating. I was, I hit it in a hazard today that I did not even think was in play. So needless to say, I'm pretty excited about the Rogue driver from Callaway.

Go to CallawayGulf.com slash jailbreak to find out more information about it. Pick one up for yourself to start the season. Let's get to the podcast with Brennan-Poreth. Better than most Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no-lying up hot cats I think is this gonna be a kind of an eventful one It's 8 30 on the east coast on Sunday night. I know that my guest is he's on the west coast He's in LA as there's only 5 30 around his time But I'm positive you have a chilled monster next to you and you're ready to roll a vestiby nation Brennan pooreth Chris great to be back, you know a ventful day

It's 530 where I am, but I started this day in DC and left my house at 6.30 a.m Took a six-hour flight and left my house at 6.30 a.m. took a six-hour flight, landed, watched another like six hours of golf that I didn't anticipate needing to watch. And if it wasn't for, as you guess, this monster zero ultra, I got next to me. The big one.

Good news boxes. New spots on the show. Yeah, I can be doing this right now if not for that. So. Well, I was totally, well, first of all, we're recording this Sunday night and we just, the five of the playoff holes just concluded and we just decided to go for the recording tonight. I don't think things are going to materially change between now and tomorrow and anything we had to say. So, unfortunately, don't know who the winner of the farmer's

insurance open is going to be, but I don't, nothing, I mean, it's pretty kind of easy to predict what we would say if either Jason Day or Alex Noren won this thing. So we went ahead and go for the recording while the takes are hot because man, that was quite an eventful conclusion to regulation. Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, I think like, you know, you said you wanted to do this. I was, you know, outlining all my tiger takes and which directions would go. And the day kind of morphed in four different stages there.

There was the Angry JV home stage. The tiger kind of, I tried to shoot 65 today, stage. And there was the playoff. All right, this is fatiguing. And then it was the playoff. This is lit. There was just so many like ups and downs throughout that entire day. I love how I think almost right when the Grammy coverage

was supposed to start on CBS. And I have to go back and check the tape on the timing. But almost right when it started, if I remember right, he JB Holmes stood in the fairway and waited for four minutes and 10 seconds to play his approach shot into the 18th. Then he laid up after all that deliberation from only about 250 if I remember right, missed the fairway on the layup.

Afterwards was asked by Ryan, I was doing Ryan Lavner was the one that asked him, he tweeted this and asked if he regretted making him wait that long. He said no, I was trying to win the tournament at the time. I expect the obvious question. If you're trying to win, you don't lay up. You needed an eagle there and you laid up into the rough. Let's not mention that layup was complete garbage. He just pulled it left. He got his birdie, which of course is going to walk off thinking the results justify

the means and it doesn't at all. Yeah, and I think he did clarify a second comment that he thought his best chance to make the playoff was to hold out from the fairway. So I guess it is what it is. I know that there's a lot of factors that go into that and that shot is really difficult as far as it seems like the ball always ends up on a downhill lie and that pin is just impossible to stop it near. So there are those factors considered, but man, that whole thing was such a farce. I mean, I know that I've never been one to really harp on the emphasis of the 45 second technical rule that's in the rule book,

just because I think there are so many things that can happen as a guy lines up a shot and just win factors and all that. And with everything kind of on the line on that 72nd hole, you can understand some delays, but four minutes is so egregious. And the fact that Alex Noren had to stand there in the fairway and wait to play his shot. He was tied for the lead at the time, a birdie wins it. And he had to wait for day or for for homes

who's one shot back and then ultimately lays up. That was just, I'm glad it didn't really materially affect the finish. I'm glad Norton didn't bogey or anything like that, but it's hard to say what effect that did have on the outcome. Yeah, you were all over that with your tweet about how Norton kind of, you know, they waited for the wind to die and then Norton shoots like you know shoots one through the stands and then you know into the scoring area. I mean that's it's exactly what Holmes did in 2015 and like there was a lot more at stake I even understood it then and you know you got on he laid up and then two plotted for par and lost in the playoffs today. Like this was the same like he's a big hitter

and he wasn't even really in it you know he boyed three of the last four holes before he came to 18. And it's just like, you know, take a cut. And if you're not gonna take a cut, you know, just bump one up the fairway and don't take, you know, four minutes to do it. It takes a lot to really get, like, Jim Nance, you know, he's just rated it and mad at you. Like he's, you know, a nice guy usually on the call.

He's not gonna be too critical. Although, you know, Tony Ramos usually on the call. He's not going to be too critical. Although, you know, Tony Ramos kind of like rejuvenated him, put a little extra bite in him. Hopefully that translates to the golf season. But like, Feldo and Nance were like, audibly exasperated and kind of all over him. And that's kind of no, you know, no sure sign than that,

then you kind of run everyone's patience. Yeah, I mean, I think I said he was down one, but he was down two. So yeah, he needed to eagled a tie, do you make the playoff? Day was already in at 10 under. And yeah, so that was horrible way to finish regulation in the fact that there was like millions of viewers

tuning in right there, just makes it that much more hilarious. Like legitimately probably the highest part at rated part of the day was all the Grammy viewers that were tuned in at that time. So not a great commercial for the game of golf, but I mean, I mean, what, how does a rules official justify not getting involved in some capacity in that?

I mean, you say 50 seconds, you take a minute, you know, there's kind of this weird leeway with this rule. What's the point of the rule if four minutes is going to go by without a shot being played? There's, there's no point. You know, it's, it's an empty rule. It's a hollow rule. If you're not going to enforce it or at least kind of enforce it reasonably, you know, there's like a lot of, there's a lot of laws that are, you know, the reasonable standard and all

this other stuff. I mean, but like like let that was beyond the pale. Like there is no point to having a rules official monitor that and that is your clearest sign. That is like the most obvious violation and you know we get all these millions of people trying to tune into you know watch like Lil' Lucy Burton they got JB Holmes, Touralynist Thumbs, in the fairway. Like they're trying to watch Rihanna or whatever. It was just like the worst possible advertisement for golf. There needs to be like a sliding scale

of some kind of the fine too. Like if you, you know that it's gonna like exponentially increase the longer and longer you take. I never want guys to feel rushed when they hit shots. But like as you said, Noren had a like a hybrid in his hand and then the wind had, you know, I guess while he was standing there, he'd changed and went up to a three

wouldn't hit it so far over the green. Who knows what happens if he actually hits the hybrid and maybe hit it in the water and what made Bogey for all we know, but you did kind of hate to see that play out. But after that, we ended with a three person playoff, Ryan Palmer, Jason Day, and Noren, Day and Noren, Bertie, the first playoff hole and Palmer did not. And as we sit here, I think they Bertie, those guys Bertie, the 18th, all three times,

and then part of the 16th and 17th. So we're going to get in a Noren for a little bit, because we've got a lot to cover in that very dark. I'm going to make everyone the tune in just for the Noren, the Noren redemption tour or apology tour. I'm going to make you wait a little bit longer for that. Also for the Tiger stuff because it somehow became kind of a back a back not back of the page story but not the biggest takeaway from this tournament. But a lot of people had written Jason Day off and some of our friends I'm not going to name his name in particular. But not putting it mildly, like buried them in the ground. Right. He's not a lot of things over the past few years that people have become pretty

disinterested in him or actively rooting against him if you will. But I don't know. I'm not the biggest J. Day fan in the world. I kind of was a much bigger fan on the way up in his trajectory, but I don't know. It kind of felt good to me to be watching him hit some of those golf shots out there. Did you have the same feeling? Yeah, I completely agree. And we jumped to Mr. Aboveground pool, JB first,

because it's easier to yell about things and be mad about things. But that Noren and Day really kind of redeemed that frustration earlier on. I mean, it doesn't excuse it, of course, but I totally agree with you. Day can kind of be, I don't know, it can be, for whatever reason, he just doesn't resonate, you know, with us with me and I understand it's completely subjective and the same way that, you know, DJ does or Rory does or some of players who are, you know, play, kind of have similar styles and some of that's his personality and whatever it is, it's subjective.

But it was cool. Like you said, it was awesome to watch those guys kind of exchange haymakers. Like at one point, I was kind of like, this needs to end, but you know, then it kind of, the energy, you know, the monster kicked in again, and those last couple holes, I was all in for it. You know, I appreciated what they were doing given the circumstances. Yeah, I mean, there were so many, I couldn't figure out a right way to word the tweet, but there was a close to double digit shots during that playoff that made me like,

audibly say, like, wow, I was just interwadging by myself and was like, wow! Especially that iron that day hit out of the rough over the water on 18 to that pin and to hold it, you know, and not get it all the way back over that ridge, like, nobody hits their second shot into that spot. There's just no way to hold it, you know, not get it all the way back over that ridge. Like, nobody hits their second shot into that spot. There's just no way to hold it there. I mean, and Noren is just flushing shot after shot after shot the entire day.

Yeah, I mean, it's, I was really glad that Noren had like a six footer to save par, or to make save his birdie there on 18 in the almost complete dark. I was really hoping he didn't blow it on that because that had been a horrible way for it to end. Yeah, I was pretty tense when he was over that. I quite honestly assumed he was gonna burn the edge there, just given the total darkness and the pressure of it all and that it wasn't that close of a birdie putt.

But that's the thing. I think kind of we need to appreciate what we saw. Those guys were stuffing it. And obviously they kind of had figured out how to play the 18th, which is always, I don't know if that's like a danger of repeating over and over and over again, the same playoff hole. But it's not the worst hole in a relatively benign on inspiring course.

It's intriguing. There's a lot that goes into it. There's suspense in every single shot. It's like, hit the proper T-shot here to give himself a good distance to get on the green and two or, all right, he missed the T-shot. Now, he's going to have a little flip wedge into this pretty interesting pin. Can he knock it close? It's intriguing. It's not. It's not yeah, it's not like genius, but it is it does make for kind of good drama So all right, let's switch to the big cat. I Want to first ask what were you expecting going into this week? Miss cut. Yeah, I mean that's just I you know, I didn't think it was a lock, but that was the expectation. I think we've gone through it a bit here.

Tori is not the most friendly place to come back. He countered that notion with saying, well, going to start in that, say, career builder would be tougher, maybe just as tough, because he knows he's got to go mid-60s every round just to kind of hang out, hang around, or make the cut, he's got to be a 15-odd or whatever the cut line was there Saturday night. So, you know, but I just thought, you know, and it bore out, he missed every fairway, and there's narrow fairways, and it's high-ruff, and I just didn't think it would go well, you know I just didn't think it would go well. I didn't think it would be a disaster. I didn't think there would be, yep, sorry, but I thought

he would miss the cut by one to three shots. That was the most realest expectation. And we associate this course so much with eight wins in the US open, but it's kicked his ass the last four years. It's like the only time he's for short play because it's the start of the year before he gets injured. And it's not going well. So the recent history hasn't been the most kind. What did you expect? I thought Miss Cutt as well, and I'm to temper my my reaction to to what we saw with you know Remembering that he needed a birdie a pretty easy par five on the North course on his 36th hole to make the cut right So it almost was a Miss Cut and on that whole spray-to-drive way right but hit it like far enough right that he actually had a shot into the

Green it was kind of a kind of a dirty birdie We're really in a minute having said said that, there were so many awesome signs from that weekend. I mean, that Saturday round, I mean, first of all, and I actually thought like the way that was covered from like, maybe I've just gotten, maybe I've just trimmed down like my Twitter following list to like people that I can tolerate.

And I thought the coverage was actually really good, really fair, and nobody got too deep on either extreme or anything like that. And it was just enjoyable. I was like, Saturday morning or Saturday afternoon rolled around, it was like, I got to get to my TV. And I, I know I, of course, do this full time now, and I should probably even watch more golf than I do.

But this was like appointment viewing to watch Tiger on a weekend at Tory Pines and in a real PGA Tour event, and you know, I had three strokes game, I keep, I had to have led the field and stroke scheme putting on Saturday, made everything he looked at. The swing speed and the reclales and stuff to me,

like it almost feels like he's just kind of showing off at this point, right? Look, this is the back is not an issue and I'm going to push it to the absolute limit. Did you ever get that sense? Yeah, yeah. It's like something I've heard it's like called tour sauce. You know, this little like recoil. I don't have to be familiar with that term, but yeah, I think he's putting a little extra, a little extra sauce on it. Which is great. Which is great. Which is great, dude. Yeah, I think he's putting a little extra little extra sauce on it like it's not just great Yeah, totally not the most like necessary and by you mean when you say coverage You mean by like tweets right yeah, yeah, the tweets can get really great in one tiger's plan

It's just a lot of the same stuff set in a different way But yeah, I completely agree with you and and It's cool to see him Going full bore. It's cool to see his short game actually being asked that again. It's cool to see in turn rounds of 75 and to whatever 70 or 73 into a 70 like he did. And he even said he should have been in the 80s, I think lab tweeted that too. And I just, you know, you called it like a dirty birdie and I think that's right. But I wrote about this for tomorrow morning, so I'm stepping on it a little bit. But I thought like that, that was really kind of a triumphant moment.

And you tweeted about, I think in the moment, how about how like you were feeling some feels? Yeah. You know, and he was walking off the green grinning and like, we joke a, he was in like a mad it down, part of the rough, like he said, and that approach, like, that bounced around the bunker. I mean, they cleared it by an inch, then curved around it, and scurried to the back of the green. Like, in all these prior failed comebacks, these depressing slogs, that hits the top of the bunker

and rolls back in, and he doesn't get up and down. Like, that was just a moment, and it's again subjective, and we're not going to talk about tiger magic. That's nonsense. It was a moment that made this comeback feel a little different to me just because that whole Friday felt a little depressing. From the double bogey, we took it on playable early on, it just felt like we were going to play it out and it was going to go home early And that would have been fine, but it just felt like a little kind of disappointing. And for that shot to clear it by whatever it was,

a foot, it just felt like kind of a different outcome than all these previous outcomes. Previous comebacks, usually it would just roll back in. I'm reassured there wasn't like a CBS exec down there. We're like a little mini trampoline, like bouncing that ball up over that bunker. I think like, you know, I don't pretend, I don't want to pretend to be like, I've always kind of viewed, and I've said this before, like I've always viewed tigers a robot.

I've never really viewed them as a human. And I kind of think like the way I view his comeback, I see it much more from a human perspective. And I just feel like he's so much more relatable now. Like we've all had some, you know, we all have, you know, our adversity and whatnot in life. And for so many years, he didn't really have real adversity. And he, you know, it kind of going back to, I remember like when his dad died

and watching him win the O6 British and, you know, and he goes and gives TV a hug after the round, and TV goes to pull away from the hug, and Tiger doesn't pull away. And I remember just being like, looking at that and thinking, there's weird as it is to say it, like there's a human in there. Because again, that's just not the lens I've always viewed him from.

So for now to think about all the things he's gone through with these injuries and I and I, I don't know, it's always the top of the new cycle, but I think it is just easy to forget that there's, I don't have the number as it's like 14 surgeries or something between his knee and his back and at 42, like who else is coming back from that other than what is probably the greatest player to ever live? You know what I mean? Like this guy all be over. He could have caved it in.

And as of four months ago, he's only getting, you know, 60 yard shots and whatnot. And here he is, like, you know, not having played a weekend in almost three years and he's walking off that 18th green. The crowd is overflowing and he gets that nice long walk and they're just kind of saluting in that he just birdied the last soul to make the cut. That was awesome. That was so cool. It did make me feel the feels and it was a Friday afternoon. I don't know how many people were watching, how many people were at work and whatnot, but it was, it was great. And it set the scene, you know, for several more great moments of the weekend and I mean, I think, you know, without getting over

excited about it, I think it, again, it's, it was great to see. There are some concerns with the game. I know a lot of people were reacting pretty strongly to the way he was driving the ball. He did hit like 21 fairways for the week, which is just comically low. I think it was maybe like 17 fairways. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I didn't think he drove it very well in the Bahamas. The little bit that I saw, those fairways are just way wider out there.

And the fairways at Tori are not that wide and he's lashing with driver and guys typically miss a lot of fairways, you know, at Tori just in general because it's narrowed, but I didn't think it was like that drastically worse than the Bahamas, but you probably saw more of the Bahamas than I did. Was it that noticeably worse? I thought so. I mean, I thought in the Bahamas it was like, I know the fairways are wider, but there were so many, you know, even I guess maybe I'm biased by that one that he just directly had to

shoot onto the green. You know, he also switched drivers since then. I'm not like a gear head or going to get into that matters at all, but like, I don't know that I would have done that based on the way he was driving it in the Bahamas. I thought you know, he'd look, I think it was noticeably better in the Bahamas. And you know, you talk about him being like relatable, more relatable, more human. I think that's certainly there, but I think he's just more sympathetic. I think he could still be a robot maybe maybe you know not the nicest person but or he's a great person i'm not saying he's not the nicest person but you know

some people certainly will say that and are tiger haters but i think he's just sympathetic whether you're a hate whether you hate him or not and i'm not sure, because he was this did greatest all time, I'm not sure it allowed him to kind of slink away at 42. He might have felt compelled to attempt the comeback. You know what I'm saying? It just maybe wasn't afforded that luxury,

to just go quietly, whatever, the Marco Mirrors, whoever, just some other guy, he can't just really go away quietly. He's gotta be, are you coming back or not, or are you done or not? And I don't think that's ever been about that before. I don't think that's really fair. But again, maybe just because of his stature in the game,

it almost compelled to a comeback at time. Yeah, no, and I forget I was talking about this with this weekend, but it was like, why would he come back? Why would he want to continue doing this? And why wouldn't you just walk away? But it's like, he's already gone through the worst embarrassment you can,

both from a personal and from a golf perspective. Like, yeah, I hope. But what happened at the 85 Memorial, the bladed chips and Phoenix and the top three would at Chambers Bay and his mind, he's gotta be like, all right, it could be just as bad this comeback. Like I might be topping shots, it might be really awful.

But no matter what happens, if I quit now, people are going to remember my conclusion of my career being those tops, and that terrible, just horrible end. Or, you know what, I have a chance to at least show people, I still had something at 42 and into my 40s, and I could still be competitive. I don't know if he's going to win. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if, you know, he was hitting a ton of greens and had a bunch of 15 footers and just nothing fell. Then I do sitting here knowing that he made a ton of putts on the weekend and it was kind of scrappy and it was, you know, it's easy for, you know, if that part of his game wasn't fully there for that to aspire out of control pretty quickly. So does, does what happened here this week change any, any way you view his 2018 season? I don't think it does. I think it's a reaffirmation that this is this come back is a little different

and he seems to be in a better spot. I don't think we can kind of get carried away and extrapolate that, you know, he's back or whatever whatever that means. That's an empty empty term now. But that means that's an empty, empty term now. But I think, you know, it's the information that he can play, that, you know, this comeback is different. And there's more optimism that he can play a full season, a full schedule, make some cuts, post some top 25, post the top 10,

maybe win, but I think it's just, there's just optimism for it. I don't think it's like a guarantee that that's gonna happen. I think there's just it's just more encouraging that it's possible that he can play a full schedule and be a competitive golfer on the PGA tour. I mean he finished tie for 23rd like I just didn't realize in that now like it's just remarkable. It really is. It's just it's awesome. I not only made the cut finished tie for 23rd. It one point on that, I almost fired off my almost weekly text that I send to our group of the, but what if he won? Because at one point, he was like within six of the lead,

which again, I knew that there was no chance of it. But it was just, I don't know. It was great to see him out there in the red, even if it was a blade collar. He just, he looks, is weird to say, he just looks great. He looks great from a blade collar. He just, he looks, is, where does it say he just looks great. He looks great from a physical standpoint. His body looks very healthy. I feel like his face even looks a little bit younger. Man, it might be getting into deep now, but there was plenty there to get excited about. Definitely know where the discussion again. I think the conversation can

spiral out of control a lot, but that was great. I think it was very encouraging. What do you think, what's a realistic finish for him at Riviera? I mean, again, same issue. Like there's not a lot of room to get wild with the driver. So I, you know, I think realistic, I guess, I best case the era, I think it's top 25, you know, somewhere between 15 and 25. You know, it's top 25, you know, it's out somewhere between 15 and 25

You know, he's the host you got all that go that goes along with that And all those people are there and stuff like that. So I think that's that's the best case scenario Realistically, I think it's your probably probably fighting for the cut line again. Try I mean, that's I think that's the realistic Yeah, I think I've made cut at riv will be harder than that Tori He's got such a better history at Tori. And that's what, you know, as good as the putting was, a part of you just wants to wander out loud, how much can you attribute that

to just so much experience putting those greens, you know? Sure. Sure putting feels kind of come and go, but when it comes down to it, he just knows those greens, knows that Poana, and he knows literally those exact surfaces. Rive doesn't have nearly the experience there and nearly the success there.

So the greens are a bit smaller there. And you can't, from my perspective, I would say you can't really get away by hitting really wayward shots there as much as you can at Tori. Cause I mean, some of the shots were getting more so far offline that they actually ended up with decent lines and stuff, but I think we have just

a little bit more, I mean, opposite of the spectrum when it comes from an architectural standpoint as far as positioning yourself and getting yourself the proper angles into holes and whatnot. So it's gonna be a much better ball striking test than Tori Pines was, I think, but I hope he makes a cut. Obviously, I think that's, that doesn't really change my personal goal, I guess, whatever for that tournament,

but it still be made cut would be a success in my mind. I heard you say feels. How great was that? He's just throwing those left and right. Just feels their all off. He feels their all off. It's great. He used it three times in about 25 seconds with Dottie on Saturday.

And then today It's so incredible. He finishes like this slog of around like just grinds out at 72 and he goes He just says like I was thinking 65 and get me in the playoff is incredible. He kids not laughing. He was right It would have yeah He was right, but I mean mean come on I love that he just throws that out there afterwards I mean it truly you know it truly we always make fun of the you know I wouldn't be here if I didn't think I couldn't turn him in but man that is maybe just a truly special mindset he has all right that's

enough on the cat all right it's time we're gonna address mr. Alex Noren in this scenario. Before I say anything, I wanna ask you, what did you think my take was on Alex Noren? I mean, this has gotten so confusing and mixed up and between this and I'm not just trying to be nice here because you got me on your podcast. But let me hear.

Like, I'm kind of like confused by all the people who tweet at you about like one, your writer cup saying, Americans are gonna win, you know, in a Lancel eye, which wasn't your take, as far as I know. Correct. And I don't think, as I understand that your noran take, wasn't that he sucks at golf or he's never gonna, he's garbage,

he's never gonna win on the tour, he's never gonna get better or win anything important. You just thought like his ranking at the time seemed incongruous with, you know, and not commensurate with what, you know, he had accomplished. And, you know, that didn't mean he sucked. And that's my understanding of your take. Okay, well that makes me feel better,

because I'm starting to realize, or maybe I'm starting to think that, like, I've just totally screwed up how I've said it, and I'm willing to take the blame on that I've not delivered my message very well, because clearly a lot of people, almost entirely on the European side of the pond, have think that I despise Alex Noren and tag him

in every tweak and say like, why do you hate Alex Noren or you were wrong about him and all this? I think you're right in that what I've tried to say is my take is at the time I think it was when he was like eighth in the world. My point was I was like, I don't think he's a top 10 player in the world and I think there's 10 players,

15, 20 maybe behind him that I would take over him. That was my point in that I think that what has been again scientifically proven by like somebody like Mark Brody with like pretty much irrefutable data that official world golf rankings have a bias towards people that play outside of the PGA tour. It's like a fact. I'm not going to, like, you could do a whole podcast of getting the conclusion as to why that is the fact. But if you read, like, Brody's 19 page Columbia University

paper, which I looked at today before I made this take, or made sure of this tape, like, you, that is the conclusion that is reached, and it's really hard to debate it. So by winning all the tournaments that he won, he had skyrocketed up the rankings and I thought, you know, he hadn't played the weekend of a major during that measured time period and made it to the top 10 in the world. That's where I'm like, something's off here in general.

The take was, obviously, you don't win four or five European tournaments in a short period of time if you're not extremely talented, and the event's city won were fantastic events with really good fields. My point was getting the points for the wins just drives you way up the rankings. And if you're not beating Dustin Johnson and not beating Jordan Speedhan and Justin Thomas

and those guys on a regular basis, I have a hard time seeing you jump past them. So I'm thrilled to see him coming to the PGA tour and you know, playing here on a more complete schedule. And I honestly, I really enjoyed watching him today. Like he put on a striped show. He was a machine and he's been a machine in almost everywhere he's played.

The take was never that he was not a great player. I just, I don't like necessarily, I wouldn't put him in the same bucket as Tommy Fleetwood, definitely not as John Rom and some of the top European players, but like one of the top 10 players from Europe right now, of course I would. So yeah, I don't know, that's that's kind of like where we stand. Part of me thinks people are just trolling me and messing with me. And it's like, but it's demoralizing. It's like you can't even have a take anymore without it getting totally misconstrued and maybe I've just been terrible at making it.

But man, that was not fun to like read all that crap and I'm like, I'm not even rooting against him. I'm really not. So. Yeah, I think like you could like two things can be true at the same time. Well, obviously, it's just like there's little room for, I don't know, you know,

interpretation or nuance, I guess. It's like, you know, you can say, I mean, he won the BMW PGA. That's a big event. There were some big names missing in that last year. Like, that doesn't mean it wasn't an accomplishment or it doesn't mean he sucks or he doesn't have big things coming. Like, that's the thing. It's like you're saying, you know, Alex Noren's a fad.

But that's not what you said. It's like, I'm just not sure where he's slotted right now. It's commensurate with what he's done. And that doesn't mean the future's not bright. Exactly, thank you, guys. I needed to have somebody else on, though, that was willing to like, disagree with me. Because it's too much, we're too much,

I needed to take at least a couple punches on this apparently. But I mean, in general, his ranking has leveled out, like since that crazy winning spurt, he's now 19th in the world. I think that's a very fair ranking, right behind Teryl Hatten, right in front of Brian Harmon. Like, I don't see, I have no qualms with kind of him being in that area.

So I just, I honestly do think that maybe this is the conclusion that there's a difference in getting to the top 10 in the world playing through the PGA tour then there is playing through the European tour. Does that make sense and is that fair? Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I you know, probably doesn't sit well with some people, but it's okay to have a take like that. Can I also say something? European fans, not taking it very well that they did not win the most recent Ryder Cup. I'm just going to say that. There is a lot of inferiority complex going on right now. Yes, I'm saying this.

The amount of the amount of church we got after a very successful week for the European players in January and saying, like, don't you want to revise your stance on the Ryder Cup now? It was like, there's a lot of golf to be played between now and then. Like, I know. No, like, have you heard anyone besides Shipnix ridiculous column? Have you heard anyone say that the European team is not going to be strong? No.

This is one single person. No. This reminds me of, I don't have you remember, you were probably, you know, prancid about Holland when this happened, but when Alabama was going to the college football playoff last year, like someone got into their locker room and they held this fake bulletin board quotes and it was like, we're not even like done well. It was like the most fake news and they had like The one is just like on this eight and a half by eleven cheetah paper

It's just Washington will beat Alabama because Alabama is overconfident It's like in quotes and then it's attributed to the national media National media so this is what they had on their bulletin board last year, so I think like You know kind of like celebrating the president's cup win, they crushed the international's, they were awesome, they crushed in 2016 at Hazeltein, they were awesome. Like celebrating that has kind of been like twisted into

all this like bulletin board material that they're going to roll in France. Like I think that like it reminds me of this same and like people are putting stuff up, fake quotes up on their bulletin board to then write an article saying like, oh, you better slow down on all that crown there ass stuff you guys are writing about the USA.

Like no one's, no one has said that. They've celebrated how good they've looked the last two team events out. But no one's, you know, I think they're just kind of creating these straw men, or straw men to write the article saying, oh, USA, better not count their chickens before the hatch or whatever it is, you know. Right. There's a quote, the headline of John Huggins article for Gulf World says, the Americans should be careful about what they say about the writer cup. It could come back

to haunt them. There is not one single quote in the article of any of like American player saying anything of like overconfidence at all. And I do think it all could be tied back to shipnux column, which I think most of Europe thinks that I wrote. Like people are all over me thinking that I've just declared that the writer cup is dead. Americans Americans inco, that's like national media. Right. But even Rory made a comment in Abu Dhabi And I asked him about it. He said something like I don't think it's gonna be you know as easy as they think it's gonna be I'm like do really do people really think that US team thinks they can walk into France and just win easily

There's a difference between me thinking the US is gonna win Which is what I do think and me thinking they're gonna roll and stop in their guaranteed victory, and there's also a much bigger difference than the players thinking that they're gonna walk in there and win. I don't think there's a single player that thinks that. Yeah, yeah, I just, yes, I think they're confident

and they're boy, they're, you know, boy by their last two wins, and feel like this is a good chance as any but it yeah, of course they don't think it's just gonna be maybe there's one or two kind of You know idiots on the team. I don't know. I'm not saying I'm not naming names or I wanted you to I'm not thinking of anyone in particular, but of course maybe there's some guys over confident or kind of get of anyone in particular, but of course maybe there's some guys overconfident or kind of over his skis about it, but no, I don't think anyone really on the team assumes they're gonna just crush them, but can we, hey, can I take the reins here for just a second? Oh absolutely. I'm gonna ride our cubs.

Absolutely. We're gonna weave cat and hair up. Oh. So, like, what is... I'm doing the Elmo right now So what is the threshold you're your mr. Ryder cup and his January, but we're allowed to do this. Oh, yeah, what is the threshold for him? This year to not make the Ryder cup like how well how bad does it have to be like because I think like you know if you place a full season um Does as you play the way that he did this week the entire year is the on the team does he make if he makes more cuts

Any misses is the on the team that he posts a top 10 and doesn't win all year is young like what is like what is a threshold for him not making the team? Mm-hmm. I would have I would have not welcomed any cat rider cup talk at all before seeing this this past week. As much as I was concerned with some of the sprays and some of the ball striking, there was enough to show me that there's a ton still there from a mental perspective and from a focus. As much as he said, his feels were off. It looked like he would have been playing a lot of golf, which we've not seen in previous, some of the previous come back. So for me, it's like, okay, I don't think he's super close, but I don't think he's really

far off. I think I actually sound exactly like him by saying that, but we were talking about this at lunch today. I actually hadn't really thought about Cat for the Ryder Cup until today and started thinking about how interesting it's going to be if he sits at like 20th in the rankings or something like that. Or, you know, if he is at least threatened to win a couple tournaments from within that locker room, especially some of those younger guys

that he's really bonded with, and you know, he's tight with Jim Furic and he's tight with the, all of the other assistant captains are gonna be, the overwhelming voice from inside that locker room is gonna wanna say we are absolutely taking this guy, if he's even close. So it's a really good question. It's a what is the threshold?

If he's like 30th in the point standings, do they give him the nod? If there's not somebody there that's like screaming for the spot, you know, like, I don't know, this past red, like in 2016, there wasn't like a, you know, Ryan Moore got that last spot and, you know, as much as everyone screamed and yelled that he should get it, it was like, all right, Hazelteens kind of a bomber's course, is that really the best fit, and he kind of got the position by default by playing into it,

but in that scenario, I'm saying like, if Tigers floating out there and kind of playing like this, from just an overall perspective, and as much as they shouldn't think of it this way, promotion of the event, and what that would mean to that locker room to have him on the team, I think they would go for it. And I think it's time to ring the bell. I think it's time to say it is a realistic goal

for the end of the season for Tiger for the Radar Cup. Keep in mind, I also said that about Bryson to Chambo after one start in 2016. So I could be wrong, but I think it is at least reasonable to start thinking about it. Obviously, a ton of things have to happen between now and then for that to be the case, but I don't think that's unreasonable. Do you? No. I mean, I think Tiger should have played in the 2016 Radar Cup. I mean, God, he was supposed to start at the safe way open, like, three weeks later.

I mean, just for crowd purposes, they didn't even need him. Get up there, hit one shot, you know, and the crowd is their mind. It would have been as effective as Lee Westwood, you know, I think like that, that week. So I think you should have played 2016. I don't know. It's an exhibition, of course. It means a lot. But yeah, I think it's got to be, like if he plays a full season,

I really think that threshold's got to be bad. Like he's got to miss a lot of cuts, and take himself out of the running. But I think if he plays a full season, and he's healthy, man, it's going to be hard. There's going to need to like a really, really obvious two captains picks or four guys fighting for the two spots. It's four captains picks, isn't it?

Or what are, yeah, I'm sorry. I've heard several people say two captains picks and like that, I don't think they changed it. I love that, they should have four captains picks. Well, they got rid of the, whatever. No, they didn't. Of course, a horse or a rule? No, they didn't, that's still in play and I they screwed it up this year because the timing doesn't doesn't work out the way that

Oh, yeah, the horse rule really makes me upset and I wrote about it when they when they announced they were going to keep it the same But like it they're gonna have to go back they make the pick before the tour championship now. I think I'd look back at Is that it? There's something there's no break this year, right? They go right to France. Correct. There's a break before the tour championship. I'm going to have to double check it. I hope they don't make it after the tour championship. That would be that would be insane. No, there's no way they could do that from a passport, even like travel arrangement perspective. So, but there's there is still something wrong with it. I forget what I wrote about last year. I can find the most.

Yeah, it's four chapters. Yeah, four captains picks, you know, three after Boston and then one after Chicago, or one after, I guess it's a ronimate this year. Oh yeah, so that was the screw up was, you know, they're essentially making, they're waiting one extra week to make that pick, that one final pick, even though it's still gonna be,

they're gonna make it, and it's gonna be essentially three weeks before they start playing. It's not like this insane run, like we saw Billy Horses will make plus the gap. And it's just, yeah, the timing is all messed up and what's the point in delaying out that one pick? Just make all of your picks after Chicago. There's no rush to make them.

You give guys plenty of time, you have an entire off week and then you have the tour championship and then you go travel. There's plenty of time to set your team like that. There's no reason to delay that one pick, but they do this rule for perception, purposes, or whatnot, but got it. It's better. Yeah. The best is when Big Cat doesn't even make the playoffs or gets balled or they're trust

and then just gets picked. It's going to, man, so many columns are going to be written about this throughout the course of the year, just floating the question. We're doing it right now. We're entertaining the discussion. I think we can at least get to there. All right. I want to talk about the broadcast. Okay. What did you think about, did you notice any differences, I guess I should say, from

CBS, potentially from last year to this year? Yeah, I mean, obviously the pro-tracer is like the most noticeable thing and you called it out on the fairway stuff. Like, you know, let's top tracer. People will, yeah. Tracer technology. We're going to de-brand that. Just tracer technology. We don't need brands, you know, weaving their way in. It was such a great name with Pro Tracer.

I know. I refer it to that. I actually will too. I will too. Yeah, everything. But yeah, like, you know, obviously, is at the top of that, the mid-fairway tracer, and that was the most noticeable thing. And Nancy made sure to tell us they showed 200 some shots on Saturday.

And that's good. I mean, I think, you know, I've been like, What did you think about that? To me, it felt like I was 50, 50 on that when he announced that they're showing their 200th shot. I was like, all right, that felt, and I don't wanna, you know, take it too seriously

but felt like, all right, I'm listening to use social media people that are killing us. Like they, I know for a fact, like a million percent, like a hundred percent fact that CBS is very well aware of the social media feedback, and I've said that a lot on the show. But, you know, for them to have at least responded in some way felt pretty significant.

And I know people gave me some, I kind of gave a compliment on the broadcast, and people were like, I don't know what you were watching. It was still terrible. It was like, there's not gonna be wholesale changes, okay? Like, they're like, oh, commentary was terrible. Guess what? It's the same crew back. You're still going to get Gary McCord and you're still going to get the same people doing, you're going to get FALTO doing his thing and Nancy's never going to change his formula. That's

always going to be there. But if they're at least saying, all right, we're incorporating more technology, we're bringing Pro Tracer into the fairway and we're going to show a lot more golf shots and at least tell you that and we're gonna show a lot more golf shots and at least tell you that we're gonna show a lot more golf shots or show at least an effort, that's at least progress and progress in the area that we would like it, probably the most important area I would think. Is that fair?

Yeah, I think that's fine. And I've been hesitant to really jump on them in the past because I think you can just social media can be called from this angry ball of group think. I'm not saying it wasn't justified. CBS was, there was noticeably not as good as some of the other productions, but I've been less hard on them unless it was really bad. Last year's farmers was brutal and I wrote about it.

I think they have a PR problem or have had a PR problem. So I'm okay with Nancy and like, hey, we showed 200 shots. Because they're just trying to make sure you're aware, like, hey, we're trying and we're making a difference here. And I think so, you know, they're kind of combating the PR problem. I'm fine with that. And they're making strides. But I thought it was a good broadcast.

I'm cool with it. I like costus. I like costus on Thursday because you know whatever crosses over and does golf channel stuff. I think he's important to have for a tiger come back like this when like like a lot of times you're not too into you know the minutia of the swing or how a player is looking. But when tiger comes back after a year, you definitely are and is coaching himself and all this stuff. You want someone like Kastis as opposed to some maybe friend of Tigers or some guy is

just giggling with them and stuff like that. Kastis was really good in that regard. And then on the weekend, I thought they improved and stepped up. They got to do something about the first impression. You know, like their first impression is people coming in, furious about the coverage gap, furious about having to like, you know, they do their intro and talk for five, six minutes

before they show a shot. Like, maybe that's just, there's nothing they can do about it. I think that probably is, but that's the problem. That's the first impression and it gets people pissed off and kind of can take away from all the improvements they make over the next two, three hours. You know? Totally. No, and I think we've harped on the coverage gap.

We're understanding that it takes, it is from graphics switching from NBC broadcast, which is golf channel over to CBS. My question, and that somebody tweeted this, I mean, sorry, I don't have the handle near me, but pretty funny how when the CBS broadcast goes back to golf channel for the playoff, there wasn't really much of a delay there. There wasn't much of an issue there.

Why, and again, I think the CBS graphics for that. Yeah, that's true. Just on golf channel. That's true. It still kind of looks the same. So, yes. Aware of the fact that there is coverage available

via PGA Tour Live during that time, and I'm usually watching golf at home and I'm able to get to that. So, and people are like, oh, you can watch on PGA Tour, I'm aware of that. I know that. A lot of people that are watching golf like today, how is it Freddy's first birthday party?

And it was during the coverage gap and I didn't have PGA tour live available for me to watch. Like there was a TV was the only option and for a lot of people TV is the only option as much as we are in I emphasize how great of value and great of a product the PGA tour live is. It's not a realistic option to tell people to go from golf channel to PJ tour live to CBS within 30 minutes to Consistently stream like you're gonna lose people throughout that part So and again, I think Bob Harry chimed in and said, you know clearly like this or somebody said something. Yeah Like he was tweeting at me a little bit about it. And what do you say it was a confrontational way? But you was just saying like don't you think they would have fixed it by now if this You know were that easy a fix they know people think it's objectionable Sure, and that's obviously like they would love to have the coverage

But just speaking from a broad perspective this goes back to something Regarding how they've structured their TV deals and it ultimately all comes back to money Just in some in some way that's like anything does But whatever deals they've worked out, and they're probably stuck in these deals and they can't change the timing of the programming and all that stuff now, but that's what they agreed to do, and they've created a product in which, for prime time,

pretty prime time, not the most prime, but some of the most important time of the weekend, they go off the air for 30 minutes, and it's just insane, it's absolutely insane. Again, I don't have a quick fix for it, the most important time of the weekend, they go off the air for 30 minutes. And it's just insane. It's absolutely insane. Again, I don't have a quick fix for it. I don't want to pretend to know how, what the next step it do it is, but they've set up

something where they take their product off the air. And like Tiger Woods was playing the 18th hole with Tory Pines on Saturday and it went off the air. It was just insane. Yeah. It's obviously accentuated by the circumstances this weekend. Obviously, it's worse when Tigers on planes first weekend in 900 days than it is when you got James Han on the fifth hole at the St. Jude, Muffis.

It was accentuated this weekend. I don't know, I'm an idiot. I don't know if I was having trouble with the streams on Saturday. I was on PJ I was having trouble with the streams on Saturday like I was I was on PJ to our live and had the URL like CBS simulcast and all I was getting was you know Tom Hobie putting out on the 14th you know this feature goals stream like I don't know if I was just I fully would cop to user error but I don't know I was not getting really consistent coverage of tiger

during the gap on the streams. So what happens? If it's consistent with what I experienced in Europe was for that 30 minutes, they go to what's like the world feed, like the PJs or world feed. And it's actually kind of cool. Like they just, they literally pop around to the most random people you could think of on the golf course.

That's probably why you're seeing Tom Hogi or whatever it was. And may have been the feature groups, but I had the same issue and you're talking to two people that again do this like for a living and we couldn't quite figure out how to watch it. So how are like your somewhat casual viewers? And the the PGA tour seems very focused and almost obsessed with reaching the casual viewers more than their than their hardcore viewers. How do you expect casual viewers to like, what, like, take the product in in that time? I mean, I don't know why I thought it would get figured out. I really did.

And that was probably, that's probably on me. I get that, that is on me. But also you could be at a bar. Like maybe you got like, you're out, you know, you're at a bar and you're watching on CBS and you're watching golf is on at a bar because Tiger Woods is playing. And then it just goes away, you know, like that, that's kind of another issue there.

They don't really consider, because you're usually at home on your laptop. Yeah, very true. I thought it was hilarious how often they did mention the top tracer as if it was like a new thing. That was like, that said so much to me, like, about how much the emphasize was like, guys, this is, this has been here. And I know they've had it on certain teas and stuff like that, but that it's such a point of emphasis this year to, oh, we got the top tracer on this shot. It's like, man, a fox does this on every single shot,

and I get it, it's different to do it one, not one week a year, but we see it mostly at the Men's US Open, obviously. But to like, you know, have it showing that that was a possibility and then it took them, you know, three, four years to get it in the same position with CBS was, I don't know. It didn't need to be emphasized as much

that they're using technology. It's like, all right, we get it grandpa. Like you figured out how to use your iPhone. Like, come on. Hey, let's just, we'll start slowly. I did a good job. I know. I know.

And they should be commanded for it. Hey, they're listening. I gave credit for a good thing. But if they're listening, we'll start slowly. I did a good job. I know, I know. I know. And they should be commanded for it. Hey, they're listening. I gave credit for a good things, but if they're listening, we're giving you plenty of other things to, uh, plenty of other things to continue to approve on. I don't think coverage gap's gonna get fixed next week in time, but, uh, for the most part, I just, in, it kept my attention so much better.

And that's the biggest takeaway. I don't know if there was less ad time, but it felt like it. And again, I don't know, again, I didn't time it out, but maybe they just did better showing more golf course shots and stuff like that. The Ian Baker Finch Rogue sections, yeah, it probably can naturally

worth that product in a little bit better. That was not well received, but yeah, other than that, it was just entertaining. I know the Big Cat helps with the broadcast and it just helps things flow a lot better, but I don't know. I'm excited after this past weekend. That got my golf juices flowing a little bit. Yeah, and I mean, just quickly, they don't get, Tori doesn't necessarily always promote like the most sexy and exciting broadcast. They promote, you know, scenic shots of paragliders

and stuff, but like the golf isn't, you know, this has been kind of, you know, hammered home this week again as the golf isn't, you don't get big birdies, streaks or swings and things like that, you know, you don't necessarily get a lot of implosion either. So, you know, it doesn't give them a lot to work with in terms of the course and today the round's going six hours to make it really a kind of thrilling broadcast. Every year it goes through the same cycle where like leading up to the tournament, people are like harping about how like how overrated and terrible Torrey Pines isn't. I'm like, I don't know guys.

I mean, come on. There's been some great moments in every year. I watch tournament. I'm like, oh, this is just, I can't get behind this kind of setup. Like it's just not, it's not entertaining. You're exactly right. And you know, drawing a lot of people are making the point like Toriq with that land could be so amazing. And it's just not. It's really just not an amazing golf course.

Yeah, but I mean, it's a good start. I think I love the Lesco Swing. I think it's good. So, I mean, hopefully they kind of sustain it just like big cat. You know, big cat's health. Now we need to see it, week over week. Here we go. You're not going to Phoenix, are you? No, no, a colleague of mine, may or may not go, which could be exciting, but I'm not gonna go. I don't think.

There may be, we might be making an appearance on Saturday at, I've never been. I've never been, I've never seen the 16th hole. I know it's heavily covered, but I think just might be making it happen this year. It looks like it is going to happen. So we're not sure what's going to be in store for it, but it's going to be entertaining. I promise that. Yeah, I've never, never been.

Obviously, it's on the list. I'd love to get there one year. Like I'm going to do Genesis though. We'll see. That's the plan. That's a good one to do. Anything we missed from the week? I mean, I'd pray to do another 45 minutes on the PGA show if you're down for it, I know.

Did you, I actually, I deserve some kind of metal or badge because it was a goal of mine to go to the PGA show and not tweet once about it and it can be done. I proved it can be done. I proved it can be done. I've never understood why people go and just tweet a million things about it as if that's what followers signed up for. It is the most inside baseball of inside things you can do. It was entertaining. It was actually kind of amazing to go there. We got to do some kind of cool stuff and got to listen to Bill Korr and Dave McClay-Kid,

little teaser for potential podcast guests there. So, yeah. Do a luncheon and stuff. And it could even be a lot cooler as far as the things they set up from a conference standpoint and whatnot. But it was kind of cool, just that so many people in the world of golf were in one place and to kind of network a little bit and see some cool products and stuff like that. It was way better cool just that so many people in the world are golfing in one place and to kind of network a little bit

and see some cool products and stuff like that. It was way better than I was expecting. I was actually dreading going, but we had a good time. Yeah, that's my quick dig, I think, is it's brutal if you're following from afar, like a content coming out of it, whether it's tweets or coverage on TV or anything like that's just rough. Here's a tweet of the golf underwear product line of so and so.

And I think that's brutal, but I'm super intrigued actually by it. I'm being on the ground like I've come around on it. I actually think it would be cool to go to. It's just following from afar is nauseating. And DJ's been to a bunch of them, but he said this was by far the best one. And I know a lot of the guys that are veterans of this thing said this year was by far the best one. And I know a lot of the, a lot of the guys that are veterans of this thing said this, this year was by far the best one. So they're going to chance to go.

I would recommend it. I'll definitely be back. So it was good enough time. But yeah, just don't ever do it. Just be cool. What else is in your notes? I don't want to sign up before we miss anything. I think we're, I don't know.

I mean, God, I've managed to piss the euros off even more than usual in this one. I'm pretty sure. So, I'm fired with fire. Tigers outfits are a little off. The blade collar, you expect that, but the material, I couldn't figure it out. He just looked way different in it And like Rory and Day dude. I don't know if it was a little like baggier. What like the material looked like Like that missy Elliott like video like that super-tupa fly you might be yuck

You know, I'm like Tron it was baggy, but it was looked like that kind of material Tron tweeted something like Something about him wearing like a leather shirt uh... on thursday i'm trying to find who said it somebody replied he's actually wearing the skin of steven aims which was amazing but uh... no yet played collar was just kind of i don't know if he was like if he has last real comeback with pre-b collar, but man, I didn't, I didn't,

I don't know, I don't know what was worse than mock, the mock turtle neck, you know, no collar shirt with the red or the blade collar, but I don't know. I think a couple of flies like, really? What's wrong with the blade collar? It's like, oh my guys, come on. I mean, if you like reasonably, if you should be, if you showed up in Augusta, they should tell you like the planet fitness is three miles down the road. Like that's a reasonable reaction if you saw someone rolled down a little lane in that. Like that, like, and someone asked Billy Payne about it last year, I remember I was like losing my mind. It's so good. And he just, you know, I don't think

he knew what it was. But that's, that's reasonable reaction to it. Nothing is Nike Nike is like I Not trying to sell brands like I buy a lot of Nike shoes. I wear a lot of Nike clothes and my kids do too But I just I don't know not not in on the Blake collar, so yep. No, that's that's understandable. So All right, I think we got a cover man Well, I guess this will be really the dumbest part, but who do you think wins tomorrow? This will already, that'll probably already be settled by people listening to this. But I just, I think Alex nor Norton wins just so you can get tweeted out a million times. I honestly, I hope he does win. I'm, I'm rooting for him to win. Now,

let's power through this because I want to enjoy watching him play because I really actually do. I don't enjoy the pre-shot routine, but I enjoy watching him play. So I hope that I hope that Noren wins. But if he doesn't, in day wins, then we get to see Tron wiggle a little bit. So that'll be it again as well. So BP, thanks for joining.

I know that was much later tonight than we were planning with the late golf, but grab some dinner for yourself and appreciate you coming on. All thanks Chris, appreciate it man. Everybody. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about him?

That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most.