No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 132: Masters Picks with DJ Pie and Tron Carter

Episode Date: April 3, 2018

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I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! No more no more guess. No more guess. It's just us. We're gonna shoot the shit and we're gonna make some picks We're gonna answer some mailbag questions Anything anything left that we haven't covered yet with Augusta. We're recording this on Friday before the Masters We're gonna release this on Tuesday But we're gonna be out of town. So we had to get this get it done

We're not putting a lot of faith in the the Houston Open winner That they're gonna really shift our thinking. Julian Surrey. Good be. Good be. Go Jagged. Top 70 player in the world. Surrey.

Had to Monday qualify to get into Houston. I love that. All right, let's just start it at the very top. Who is your guys pick to win the 2018 Masters? I feel like I'm going to sound like a Jackass for some reason by seeing this pick. I'm picking Tigers. Yes. I don some reason by seeing this but I'm picking tigers.

Yes. I don't care. I don't care how that makes me sound. I have a, like, I've thought about it. Maybe I've thought about it like too much. I feel like I might be lost in the sauce or a little too deep in my own head but I'm picking Tiger. I think like the way he has played, I don't know if this is gonna make any sense, but I

feel like the way that he's played the last two events Like looks like he's playing in a major and what I mean is that he's not he's not playing enough like he's not making a birdies to win But he's not making enough mistakes to really like shoot himself out if that makes sense and it's almost like I don't know Does that make sense? It does I don't care. I'm so I'm in well like you're saying I think is you know for a typical PGA tour event, you know, they're can end up being birdie fest a little bit, right? And you're firing at flags without really any inhibition, whereas Tigers kind of plotting his way around. That's what it seems like. Yeah, I know that Valspar, it's not like that was a birdie fest. And I know, Behill wasn't a birdie fest. So I'm kind of shooting my own argument in the foot. It kind of was a birdie fest. A little bit. 18 under one.

That's at Behill. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty fun. That's pretty fun. 60s. Hill? Yeah, that's pretty fast. Six to four. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, I don't know. Just watching him the last few weeks is it just seems like what he's doing is surgical. I mean, he's like, I don't know how else to explain it other than it was the same feeling

that you get when you're watching him try to string together 72 holes of a major and just not make any mistakes and not push it too much and just kind of be super patient And as long as he does that I mean the the bones thing the bones pod actually kind of like reinforced that pick and just You know him talking about all the history that you need and all the you know the long memory that you need to make all those Puts and I mean if he's hitting his irons as well, you know as he is which he you know Assume hopefully that he will You know, I think we've talked about it a lot,

even on kind of the pods leading up here is, this is such a golf course where it's so dictated by your iron play and like hitting to the correct spots in the greens, and if he's doing that, he knows, you know, the puts as well or better than anybody, then I mean, why not pick him? If he's healthy and... It certainly feels a lot better than it did in 2013.

Right. And he was a ricocheted shot off the fight stick or 2010 when he wasn't playing at all and he finished fifth or whatever. 2015, he was in the third to last group on Sunday when he was after sculling the ball over Scottsdale. Like he plays this golf course well. He hasn't won it in 13 years, which is insane.

And he hasn't won it since they fully linked a bit. That's a weird sense. That he hasn't won in 13 years. Right. How about the fact that he was from 2006 to 2013? T3, T2, second, T6, T4, T4, T4, T4. The Tiger proved it. That's crazy.

Oh, it's, I mean, so I don't know, I don't feel, I've, I've, I felt like an idiot, like when it first clicked in my head that, okay, I'm gonna pick Tiger to win. But I feel better and better as, as the time goes on. As I find community with other people who, who feel the same way, I'm starting to feel a lot better about it.

And you wouldn't have made this pick after the Honda, but like what you saw in Falspar and Bayholtz like enough to, I think so. Well, I mean, it's, it's, he's, he doesn't have to, as much as Augusta now emphasizes driving way more than it used to, it's still a place that you can spray it around a little bit. You don't need to be dead straight off every two,

you don't need to hit it. And how many drivers do you think he's gonna hit? One, two, six. I thought you meant number six. Oh wow, I thought he was dead. He's pulled. The cheeky. He's probably about six or so. I thought you meant number six. I thought you meant number six. I thought you meant number six. I thought you meant number six.

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So I don't know, I'm, there it is. I'm picking Tigers. I can buy it, it's not my pick, but I can buy it. Feel free to tweet. I mean, if he misses the card, if he shoots 80, 80, you can even make fun of me if you want. It's caught up in the hype. I don't care.

I'm gonna be a romantic. It's just a fight. I think that's why he lost at Bay Hill. I don't think it would have been, you can make fun of me if you want. It's caught up in the hype. I don't care. I'm gonna be a romantic. It's just. I think that's why he lost at Bay Hill. I don't think it would have been, you know, it wouldn't have been as good a story if his first win was at Bay Hill. We got way better story if his first win's up the masters. We got this question,

is one of our mail-back questions, is what do you think Tigers true odds are? So I mean, obviously his odds get artificially bumped because of how many people bet on him, but what do you think like, if you were to say, what are Tigers true odds to win if it wasn't really dictated by the amount many people bet on him. But what do you think, like, if you were to say, what are Tigers true odds to win if it wasn't really dictated by the amount that people bet on him?

So he's coming into the week at what, nine to one. Yeah. He's a favorite in one, GT and Roy are 10 to one. I mean, I'd put him in that same, probably, I don't, I mean, I don't know, I'm not an expert gambler. I would say 20 to one. That's what I would like to do. I'm a diamond guy.

I'm just a 15 to one. Yeah. I think he's, he's right in there I was looking at it. I was looking at it. I was looking at it. I was looking at it. I was looking at it. I was looking at it. I was looking at it. I was looking at it.

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I've been waffling back and forth. I've got Leashman at 75 to 1 and on one bet. I locked in the McRib at 12 to 1 a couple months ago. Bargain. I'm going to stick with the McRib at 12 to 1. 12 to 1? Yeah. OK. I think the thing that scares me about him is just, I mean, it's stick with them to the grid. It's 12 to one. 12 to one? Yeah.

Okay. I think the thing that scares me about him is just, I mean, it's obvious, but just the putting, like, you know, yeah, that was the thing. We were talking about it yesterday, I think, when we were kind of sitting around and like, you know, his win at Bay Hill was so not masked by putting, but I mean, it was legitimately like the best putting

week of his career. Yes. I mean, it's for sure. Well, so I get that, but like, I'm likely to duplicate. I don't know. I feel like he's almost going to trick himself into thinking that Friday or Saturday is Sunday. And we hear he was out.

Because he always, he always plays well. It's like too little too late every year. He was out doing the Jeff Knox research trip. Again, this year, I think, right? Was that, um, today, I don't know. You know, I think, right? Was that? Say, I don't know. You know, I mean, I'm just looking at the other option. I'm going finally. JT could run away with it or he could, you know,

we can miss the cut. DJ, I don't know, he's the greatest player of all time, but like, I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's primed. I think space been in the lab for the last couple months, but I would have liked to have seen it click a couple of weeks ago, you know, so he's not kind of rolling in. Just throwing you off the scent. It might be.

I mean, I don't know. People are talking about Ricky. Well, let's, let's preface his podcast with like, we have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. Like tips to. We're all just totally kind of shooting in the dark. That's my favorite big randism.

Yeah, exactly. Who do you think is gonna win this week? I don't know, man. It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be interesting, we'll see. Yeah, but if we get one of those, like even more than usual, we don't know what's going on. Like, just the testament to the field.

I feel like there's like, there's like 20 guys that could legitimately, I could legitimately talk myself into as a favorite. Yeah, right. No, and it's, make no mistake if one of our guys wins, we're gonna remind you about it for, there's like 20 guys that could legitimately, I could legitimately talk myself into as a favorite. Right. No, and it's, make no mistake, if one of our guys wins, we're gonna remind you about it for eternity.

I'm still triggered from last year. So, like Randy and I have bet on Sergio to win the Masters, like every year, for like seven or eight years. We book our Masters bets of Sergio in January, you know, get him at 50 to one or 40 to one or whatever. Last year was the first year I did not bet on Sergio. Who wants to do it?

Are you doing it this year? No, of course not. Just let it ride. I think Rory, I don't know. I feel like I've talked myself into Rory so many times for the masters that I'm scarred a bit, but. Bully me once, shame on you. Bully me again.

Bully me 10 times in a row. Shame on me. I just, I think if he was trending from a ball striking perspective, stronger than he is, I think you could make the case stronger. But he could, I mean, if that putting tippy picked up from facts and your boy really is like that,

that's supposed to call me at some minute here. So if I have to step away, that's not supposed to call me at some minute here. So I have to just if I just have a way that's why. If that tip really was to give me a putting tip head of next week. All right. I'm still I made I made the pick to start the season. I never changed my picks. I probably should but I never do. I it's I'm picking speed every year for the next 20. I think he's going to win like four of them. That's pretty good. I mean, better odds than usual. Right, and the year I don't pick him,

it's probably the year he'll win it. Yeah. So I'm second by the, if I were to change the pick, which I'm not, I would. Theoretically. Theoretically. Just theoretically. It would be JT.

Yeah. Why? Just because he's the best player in the world. Probably he's the best part in the world. Probably he's the best player in the world. He, I think he has learned enough about the course. I feel he comes in flying super high, super confident every year and just kind of get smacked in the face by Augusta, which it does that to you. If you get too over anxious, if you get too, you don't fire at too many flags, it can punch

in the face. What's his record there? Do you know? Not great. It's not great, right? No, it's not. But this is the first time we've seen him be the Internet of the Masters as a dominant player. I mean, it gets him one three times last season leading up to it, but not in the same fashion that he has in the last

couple years. So, I don't know, that would be that would be the only guy I would change the pick for. But I'm not great, but I'm a remind if he does win, I may say, I just still might pull and I told you so really really you name off five or six more guys just a case tell me base this is yeah this is the time of year where you just start listing off a million guys to the point where at least you named at one point named him yeah he could win that 80 to one to like a hundred to one range just looking at the list here like Grace Grace, D-shambo, Kentlay, Cabrera Balo,

Shoffley, Burger, Kisner, Oppie Bonrat. Like those, there's so much value in that. Yeah. But then again,

like there's too many, there's too many guys. There's too many on like a top five or something. Yeah. All right, so just because I think it's fun, give me one guy that you think will definitely not win Just because I want to see that guy get to the top of the leaderboard and it'd make you guys sweat a little bit Hadecki Hadecki will not win. You heard it here first

What do you like about what do you think about Hadecki's chances? I don't think he can win this week famous last words Hadecki might He might be becoming the forgotten man. Try on your thoughts. He's coming in injured. Oh, he's definitely the forgotten man. He's like been forgotten. Yeah. He's injured.

I'm going to say Ted Potter Jr. We've talked about him before he got here. How nuts is it that Ted Potter Jr. is what less than two months removed from a PGA tour victory and he's coming in at 400 to one right now Would you bet it's worth worse odds than Fred couples then champions to our player of friend couples I wouldn't bet him a thousand to one to be fair. I tell you who might have the best odd I don't mean to get off topic here, but who might have the best odds on the board

Ross Fisher at 200 a one that's strong. I mean he's got his his record here. His low key really, really solid. I don't think he's going to win, but it's T30 cut, T15, T47, T41 for kind of a nondiscret player. Yeah. So. We've made the joke enough about how this is how everything's trending towards this being one of the best masters ever that Brennan Steel is probably

going to win. We should probably take a flyer on him, right? Like a 150 to one. He is the most likely guy to just spoil. I can see Ross Fisher is a good spoiler. Yeah. It means time to game. It's Ross Fisher, the European Brennan Steel. He might be. A lot of people are asking, uh, Tron, who's your guy that will not win? Oh, you said Todd Potter. I'm sure the European Brennan Steel. He might be. A lot of people are asking. Tron, who's your guy that will not win? Oh, you said Todd Potter. I'm gonna say. That was kind of a tongue in cheek.

I'm assuming we're talking about kind of the favorites here. Sure. I would say Jason Day. He might win. I'm gonna say Patrick Reed. As silly as this question is, did Tiger ever officially commit to Augusta? Like, did he have an announcement for you?

Wow, I don't know. Maybe not your same age as I play. I'm gonna guess this is the five PM today. Well, I'm just curious. I don't remember seeing like a big free time. Man, if he, if he, if he, if he, when did the two times come out? If we post this on Tuesday

and it turns out Tiger's not in the field, this podcast is gonna look very stupid. One of the two times come out. Sometimes Tuesday, right? I think they do it Monday evening. I think so. I feel like Tiger and Filler are gonna be paired together. I was gonna ask that who do you think Tiger's gonna get paired with? That's interesting. I bet he gets like J.D. and... Yeah, they always give him like a really comfortable... Brant Snetaker. Snetaker's played with him like 20 times

you're already. Exactly. I don't know. I don't know if they'd do that. I could see... Like J.D. and Norland. And I think I guess for like I think they in kind of a cool way. I think they usually Kind of use the stars to try to give exposure to exactly some of the international players and stuff too be cool Para Charma Charma and Tiger. I get with that fee I love how everyone just refers to him as Charma because nobody wants to try to say his first name myself included. Yeah, that's guilty. I'm a cantile. That would be cool. That would be cool. Prayer Tiger with Cantile would be sweet.

That would be great. Not really. Again, shooting my own theory and the foot there on the international stars, but I think it would be cool. Alright, the week is finally here, guys. It's Master's Week. Our friends at Calaway have 15 guys in the field this week and as always, they're going to be bringing the heat with some great content from a guest in national. We talk a lot about their products, but they also have a pretty incredible media production group that's going to be doing a lot of good stuff this week.

Go to calwaygolf.com. Take a look at the Calaway Clubs and ChromeSoft X golf balls that Phil is playing, defending champ Sergio Garcia, and others have in the bag at Augusta. I don't know if you saw, we got the no-lang up towel on Mark Leachman's bag as well this week. Looks pretty good on that blue rogue bag. Be sure to follow them on Instagram and Twitter at Callaway Golf. They got an exclusive giveaway that they got going on right now. You can enter

to win one of their slick masters commemorative coins. I saw them this morning. They turned out incredible. They got a sugar low, pimento cheese sandwich logo on one side. They're not being sold anywhere. So be sure to check out Callay's social channels, enter to get yours. Be on the lookout for more great coverage from Calloway. Now let's get back to our final wrap-up podcast and then the masters is gonna be here. All right, let's do this is one of DJ's favorite questions. I like this one. All right, you get three players to pick and you have to choose if you had to bet three players versus the field who are your three guys that you take against the entire field. If you had to bet three players versus the field, who are your three guys that you take against the entire field?

I love it that we're this deep into the podcast. Nobody's even mentioned Mikkelson yet. I know. We've had a lot of Mikkelson content the last week. So I'm taking Mikkelson as one of my three. I'm going to take Mikkelson, Justin Rose, Jordan Speeth. Is, would Justin Rose be a spoiler, if he won? Yes.

I don't think so. I mean, he might be, he's like the Mendoza line of spoiler. I wouldn't be rooting for it, but I mean, the guy has been so good. He's so much underrated. He's a stud, but like, it's not one that you're gonna tell your kids about. Oh, I remember when Justin Rose won the Masters.

Yeah, I agree. I would lean him on spoiler. That's my own personal. He's low key last year, get away from him pretty badly. Yeah. My three guys are Tiger, Speed and JT, I think. Come. Very safe.

Very safe. No, I think you're, I think you're ceiling is higher, but your floor is lower. I think that's fair. Yeah, I'm going to your chalk. Beath JT DJ Okay, look the top three. I mean, do you see he's coming in super under the radar? He is Why is that? He's not really there's like to just we're just flush with just too many good players flush with stars right now Like how long ago already does Phil's Mexico win feel like? Like I was thinking about this, I mean, again,

this is Tiger centric, but I was thinking about this in regards to Tiger the other day. It's weird that we haven't, you know, it's been a couple weeks now, like we saw him a couple weeks in a row that almost, like, it almost feels like it wasn't real or something. Like, like still the idea that we're gonna get Tiger in form and healthy and stuff like

doesn't it almost feels like it was like a dream that we saw a month ago that's right you could take Tiger out of the equation and we would still be like equally as excited for this masters and I mean equally awesome like yeah it'd be great but like like Tigers Tiger sitting here to myself into Paul Casey. I know. T6, T4, and 6th the last three years. Paul Casey's the ultimate top five bet if you can get one. Yeah. I think he'll definitely be there.

Have we covered sleepers and deep sleepers enough yet? Do you have any, like, do you have any guys that are like, all right, this guy's not gonna win, but I expect this guy to play well. I think Cameron Smith. Okay. I think he's, he's 125 to 1. He played last year, made the call last year.

I think he's coming in, playing really well. And I think his game is pretty well suited for Augusta. Nore in it, 40 to 1. I'd feel about that. I'm not sure that's deep sleeper, but you expect him to play that. No, no, no, no. He's kind of right outside that. He's like the, just out sleeper, but you expect him to be better. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, pools and stuff, there's always, it always seems like they get broken out and it could like different flights and stuff.

There's a lot of guys in that, like I feel like that B group is pretty top heavy between like Noren, Fleetwood. I'm trying to think like those are like the two guys that really stick out, depending on kind of where the dividing line is. For someone who's one of masters in the last five years, Adam Scott is pretty far down though.

Pretty far down though 60s to one. Yeah, I know he's not necessarily trending, but man, this golf course is guys play well here. He's in round. Yeah, I think Opie Bonner, man, 100 to one. He, uh, he's only played here once, but he was, he was, he was tied for 15th in 2016. How about, uh, how about Bry Bryson showing a little form recently? Yeah, that's terrifying.

I think he might be up there. What if we get a Bryson Baba showdown? I'm signing up for that. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Bryson Baba Patrick Reed. Yeah, we haven't talked enough Baba. Are we afraid? Baba might win.

He probably will. I mean, Baba's got to be on your list of five favorites or less, I'd say. I would think so. There's like a group of eight that, if you told me, like we did, if you told me they were favorite, but yeah, that makes total sense.

I don't know, it would be very bubble-like to win this year. Three, three Jackets, I tied Phil. If he was one sort of tiger, oh my God, we're way too hyped for this masters and we're due to just come down. Let's get into some questions. What do you think? Let's do that. What's your guys favorite hole on the front nine? Three. Yeah, I think.

Why so? It's the most fun if you're there, I think, it doesn't always come through on TV because it doesn't always, like, it's shown that much on TV. But to see how elevated that green is and how severe that is, if you miss, is awesome to just stand there and watch guys all day. It kind of sucks. You can't, like, I don't think, from remembering, right?

You can't get very close to that green. So you got to kind of, like, hang down, like the low left, but just watching shots come into that green is so cool And then it's got me it's got the whole strategy element to it and you know changes depending on where they move the pin and all that stuff I think it's is great What are you I mean I was gonna say three, but I love I love eight Yeah, there's mounds up there and just the way that I like to stand on the T-shot on two.

Yeah. Watching shave the ball right to left around that corner. That's always cool. I think nine's underrated, but yeah, I'm three, for sure. Yeah. My name was number two. I just, I love par-fives. I think the four, my four favorite holds out there are probably two, 13-15, but two is, it's interesting to see, watch guys hit off that down slope and the shape of that green, especially when they put that Sunday pin in the back right, watching guys like land in the middle of the green

and see if it fies all the way back there, that's my favorite hole to watch on the front line. So, that's all I could just, all right, it's like speeds on number two now. This should be a birdie hole. It just gets your interest, it gets you, like pretty focused on that. I mean, there's not that many,

I feel like the front line sort of gets shit on a little bit. There's not really that many, not that many bad holes on the front. I mean, four, four and seven. I like four, five. I think five is, I think five is really cool. I don't like five. I don't know how it makes me think I like to knit this year, is that right? But is it lengthened for this year's? I don't know, I can't remember. I thought it's for next year's. They didn't call me and tell me, I don't know. Four sucks. Five green is really cool. I think if anybody's going to the tournament this year, I would say you walk in right there. You walk in right there and if you can stand and just watch guys put on number five, that green is insane. Yeah, four's just it's too hard. Yeah. Yeah. So it

get it's Phil was trying, I think in the in 2012, Bunsa that he was trying to miss in a bunker. How nuts was that? That's when he pushed it left, hit the grandstand, went in the woods, played it right hand, and made triple and lost. You know what I guess it doesn't have? I guess you can, nevermind, it's a backtake.

I was gonna say they should make three, it doesn't really have a drivable, drivable, par four, I guess. Well, the only three wheels that's real kind of could make. There's no other par fours under like 404 yards. Exactly, I was gonna say it, but you couldn't have three and four back to back. That's almost going to say you make 17. Yeah, that's best.

We'll get a very enjoyable par four. He's got an article coming out next week about it. I think seven low key stings. It's terrible. So all right, so walk through some of those changes because that is a big part of white stings. Well, it was like supposed to be a whole design after 18 at the old course.

It was supposed to be like kind of a drivable four, but 340 yards, I mean, in that day, and age, not that drivable, but under the right wind conditions, you could drive it near there, but. Kind of pitch in a, early, you know, a drivable pitch. That's why we're talking about,

they've lost all of the short holes on this golf course. They're all long now. So the green, and then they moved it back to about 400 yards, and that whole made a lot more sense then, but they narrowed it even more and moved it back to 55 more yards. So a hole that was originally 340 plays 455, guys, Tia, and had to hit off a downslope into a green that's perched up and is completely surrounded by bunkers. There's no option on how to play the whole. Like, guys pound driver or three wood down there, whatever.

And it's such a cool spot on the property. Like, it could be really... Especially the center of the property, right? The green is cool too, but like, you can't... If you're gonna, I would at least encourage guys to play run-up shots to it, leave them the openings in the front if you're gonna make them play off a downslope. I think that was the whole bone said that they hit it

in the patrons. Yeah, because the green is the front if you're going to make them play off a downslope. I think that was the whole bone said that they hit it in the patrons. Yeah, on purpose. Because the green is the green so shallow. Yeah. And you're coming off that downslope that like there's, he had like a five iron into the green and was impossible. Right. He's like, if I'm going to make four, I got to hit it in the patrons here and try to get

up it down. What they did was seven and eleven was just make the holes to, I just made them challenging in relation to par without and took out all the strategic elements too I thought so yeah seventh probably definitely my least favorite probably on the whole whole whole course so all right what's like the most what all right I like this one what's something you guys dislike about the masters oh man how long do we have there's more than you would think. Nothing, at least for me. But you go ahead, John. Lead off. I think the whole self-important, just the sanctum of it.

Yeah, it's overly sanctimonious. And kind of the preaching of it. And it's almost a victim of its own success. A little bit, it's kind of overly cloistered. In that they, I mean, I think I get, I obviously get the, you know, starting with, oh, these are the traditions of the place and this is the history and we need to honor all things.

That's great, it's rooted in this school. But the problem is like, as everything else has gotten away from that, Augusta has kind of, I don't know, I guess leaned into it, but really just kind of stayed the same where everybody else has changed, and it just amplifies more and more and more, you know, how loud that feels every year,

and it's just gotten to the point now where I'm like, man, it's really hard to listen to this. Well, I think like the first, like for me, it's a good representation of that is the piped-in bird sounds. I'm gonna call it that. Well, that is the piped in bird sounds. I'm a cop cast. Well, that's how I was gonna say. No birds, no squirrels.

Like, that freaks me out. I don't know how. Do you guys ever hear how they got caught with the piping in the bird sound? Oh, so good. That some guy was listening to the broadcast and was like, well, that bird is not indigenous to this region. And it's like how they got caught doing it.

And then, I think if you're so rooted in the history of the game, but you've had arguably the greatest golf course architect of all time route the course and lay it out in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, them. Yeah, and it really, and have it play so, kind of, overseed it and artificially, you know, I think it sets a bad example for the rest of golf and for superintendents everywhere to, you know,

everybody think it quates green with good and... And part of that is not, it's hard, because like, I don't know, there's a million things about the club that I think just like makes it kind of creeps you out gross and not my thing. But, you know, it's hard to tell a club, like, hey, you're not allowed to do this. It's more just like, cool, I'm not interested

in being a part of that. But from the golf course perspective, it's hard because like you said, it just has changed. It just ruined so many other golf courses. I don't know if that's its fault that it did that or its fault that bad superintendents. There's some responsibility. And bad club memberships and all that stuff have leaned too heavily on the agustification of all these different places.

I don't know whether that's the club's fault or not. It's hard to say. I mean. I haven't listened to your pod with Andy. It's not that yet. OK. There you go. But I imagine some of the stuff that he talks about in that

with centerline bunkers and just bringing it back to even just the scruffy bunkering of McKenzie and all of that, especially on such a severe site would be so cool. Yeah. It's frustrating, and I'm not like a student of architecture, but it's frustrating to read books about the origin of Augusta and then see the course now. Oh, man. I mean, it's totally lost at spirit.

At the same time, Augusta is amazing. The best greens in the world probably, as far as the interesting nature of them, not only how easy, like beautiful they are to put, but just the contours and the shapes and how they match the shape of the hole. But at the same time, like it was supposed to be this wide open field that you guys can choose their routes to it. I think technology has kind of influenced the need to change, whereas you know, it's not that interesting for guys to choose routes to the hole, it just means bombing drivers as far as possible and hitting a flip wedge over any bunker that blocks the angle. But not. So I think it a combination of technology getting out of hand,

scores getting really low and kind of feeling the need to protect par is really change thing. I think the spirit of the place still existed up until the late 90s until they started bringing in trees and bringing in the second cut and all that. But I think that they play up the whole Bobby Jones thing a lot too. And the place feels more Clifford Roberts than Bobby Jones. And I think that's- It was Bobby Jones's influence in his vision and his initial kind of the principles behind some of his stuff, I think, has been lost over the years. That's a longer discussion.

It's just a weird, I don't know, I have just such a weird like personal kind of relationship or feelings about it. I mean it's so weird to go there. I don't, you know, all three of us have been there and walked around and it's just weird to go to a place and have the takeaway be like, oh man there's not a blade of grass out of place. It's like, oh well that, like it's kind of weird. Yeah, that's why. But why? That's fucking weird. That that's like that.

And it just, like, the more time to go there, and it's easy to be blown away the first time and just kind of, basically, like, it's like sensory overload when you're there. It just, it feels like you're in like a dreamscape or something. Well, I mean, it almost, well, the more time to go there. It does feel like a dream because you're like,

oh, I've seen this place on TV so many times. Exactly. The more time to go there, the more it you go there, it does feel like a dream, because you're like, oh, I've seen this place on TV so many times. Exactly. The more times you go there, the more it's kind of like, all right, this feels like I'm in Disney World, and these are just kind of like plaster, you know, like plaster mounts covered with felt or something. It's like, it feels like a recreation of a real place. Exactly. That's the real place.

Totally. Yeah. I think a lot of the criticisms by all of us and from, you know, a lot of people are come from a place of because it's so great. Like this is the greatest tournament that we kind of look at some of the stuff under a microscope for us. If we don't have that many great things to say about Houston Open, right? But we could, I mean, we could shred some of that part.

So it does kind of feel like nitpicking every year when we start looking at the negatives of it. I think you hold it too. Yeah. Crazy, high standard. It's not perfect. Yeah, so far. Yeah, like going, you know, and there's, there's so many, you know, there's so many awesome

elements about it where like of the telecast and of what they've done with the range, like they've made some awesome improvement over the years. Yeah, I'm so forward. The positive is so far away. There was too commercial. It's like, I mean, so, so,'s so, it's like 99% 1%. But yeah, going back to that responsibility and kind of, I think they've gotten lost in the sauce

on certain stuff and not given quite enough importance to some of the more substances. Well, it's just like, I mean, Sal, I know you're there too, but just picture the difference between going to the masters and going to the open at St. Andrews. And how different that is, how different the vibe is, how like when you're at the masters, it's feel like, I don't know, it just feels like you're, like it's almost too much of, like you're gonna do something wrong and you're gonna be walking on eggshells the whole time, whereas when you're at the open you're like, man, I can, like, I can go play this course and I can hit that shot and I can do all these different things. Well, I feel like you always wrestle with that. You always say, yeah, the aura of the place is built upon the tentative exclusivity.

Yeah, like, yeah. And granted, it's a phenomenal golf course, of course, as well. But, yeah, I mean, the whole, the whole, you know, what makes it so unique and so crazy is that nobody's allowed in, Except for that one-time. But it's got like a Willy Wonka. And it also, though, the only time I've been, I was kind of blown away at how much the patron experience truly meant to them. Like, all volunteers and everyone is kind of like truly there to make sure you have the

best possible day. For sure. The concession to answer. And the concession to the merchandise that we talk about every year. The domestic and the import. Yeah, I mean, it's like Disney World it is it is as a fan like it's some of the most fun days Yeah, I love you know, it's so funny. No, they do like the the end result is Is the one of the most exceptional things on the planet, but yeah, like we're obviously nitpicking here. Yeah

But I think in something that I do every time is just, I wait till like the very last possible moment. I remember one time I was there like a Thursday or Friday and just wait it, like I was one of the last people out off the property and watching the moors. Oh, God. So now between where the old drive, like where the old old driving range was like in the midst of, you know, between 18 green

and one tee in kind of that whole area there, and like watching, you know, 20 mowers go down the line. Yeah. That was supposed to be the by-hole. The place just seems so, it's so expansive, and so, so cool when nobody's there. Totally. That's why I think my favorite times I've been there

is Wednesday, when the course closes for the Part III contest, and there's no players on it. And so most of the fans leave as well, and you can just go walk the 18 holes with no players on them and just look at the golf holes. That's my favorite time to be out there. Yeah, we need to do that on Wednesday. On Wednesday.

Oh man, so cool. Oh, so yeah, we are gonna go. We're going S-Fans. We'll do a walking tour. Solid can host a walking tour. On your right, you'll see number three. We're gonna drink beers. We're gonna walk the course.

No media obligations, no nothing. So if anybody's out there Wednesday, feel free to grab us. We'll scrap a beer. Let's have some. One of my missions, a rare news. I wanna go, I wanna look for the USB ports. That's true.

In the trees. Yeah. Well, this is a legend. It's a legend that we've heard. We don't know if it's true, but we've, you hear a lot of weird things about Augusta and you hear a lot of weird, you know, when one tree falls over, they replace it

with an identical tree and like, you know, all that kind of stuff. But yeah, we've heard there's USB ports in some of the trees that only photographers, you know, all that kind of stuff. But yeah, we've heard there's USB ports in some of the trees that only photographers have access to. No idea if that's true. So they don't have to go back to the media center. It sounds like it could be a joke, but it's so absurd

that I kind of believe it. Oh, I definitely believe it. I don't suggest going up to random trees and searching them for it. And that might get us kicked out. I feel like we should talk, I don't suggest going up to random trees and searching them for it. That might get us kicked out. I feel like we should talk, I don't know if anybody cares about this, but about why the media experience at Augusta versus going as fans. For us?

Yeah. Tell them, break it down for us. Well, I don't know. I feel like, you know, I've never been to a show. We've got a lot of shit about it. How are you guys not going to the masters and it's like dude We're gonna if we go like you can't go inside the ropes. You can't bring your phone out

You can't take pictures. You can't take video like we're gonna be sitting inside the media center watching watching TV Like we would we might as well watch on our own TV right? Oh, yeah That's so everyone's like so confused and so way we would probably wouldn't get credentialed anyway. The way we cover golf is Is getting enough context on the front end, but then watching it through the lens that everybody else watching through and yeah Even commentary. Yeah, so while everyone's in the pound of the keyboard in there We're gonna we're gonna have some live shows The only day I've never been on Sunday Five shows. I don't know, man.

I've been on Sunday, but even on Saturday, like it just, it gets so bunched up and there's so many people following the same groups where, Thursday, Friday, 100, 1000% I wanna go. But Saturday, Sunday, I would 1000% rather on TV. Not to mention it's the best telecasts, like, yeah, experience you can have.

Thanks to Joe Ford. Thanks to Joe Ford. Thanks to Joe Ford. Proud partners. We are going to be doing live shows at the end of every round. So that's one of the reasons why we're not going to be there as well. The Kill House, we actually got the Kill House set up now.

It looks like a house. It looks like a residence. Yeah. So we're, as soon as play ends on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, join the live show on Periscope. Send your questions in. We're going to do it big for this week. So, I'm pretty excited.

Big Randy will be down here. And big Randy will be here. It's getting real. All right, this is one of, I think it's, I didn't jot down the names everyone in some of these questions, but this question, you get to pick one hole. You make part or better, you live,

bogey or worse, and you die. What? What all do you pick? It's such a good question. I'm gonna say two. That's what I was gonna say. That's what I had to do. Really?

Two. Is either two or eight, but eight's uphill. I'm sorry. I could, if you get on the wrong side, one of those mountains. Two, you can spray it right. You can keep it. Like it plays to the white befade. Two plays to the white befade. If we have the Sunday pin. Exactly. You got plenty of green. Spray one it. Like it plays to the white buffet.

If we have the Sunday pin. You got plenty of green. Straight one over to that right side of the game. Just make sure you get it over the bunkers. Andy said 13. There's too much thing in this day. Yeah, I would blow it up. Blow it into the trees and then I'd punch it into the creek.

And that green's tough. And yeah, that 15 definitely wouldn't be the one. 15 I would, I would leave my layup in the wrong spot and hit off the down slope. I'd hit it into the water. Yeah, like, like, and I'd blade it be the one. 15 I would, I would leave my lap in the wrong spot and hit off the down slope, I'd hit it into the water. Yeah, like, like, I'd glaze it over the green. 16 I'd worry about, if it was a lower 10, I'd worry about being on the upper shelf, I mean, it's do or die, it comes down to one shot.

Maybe 14, but I don't know, I feel like 15 too, you could get, you've got enough, or two you, you've got enough margin for air to where you can recover from a bad drive and get yourself still in a decent spot for this for this third shot man that's such a good question that's a great question what if you the three of us plus Andy play and Andy's like a plus two handicap yeah played backties scramble would we make the cut at the masters? Yes.

Yes. I think we'd win the tournament. I don't think we'd win. I think we'd win. Andy's good. We would never make a bogey. I mean, if we did, we would make a bogey. I think we'd make a bogey.

The scramble? Yeah, because you get so over aggressive. Yeah. I could see us. I mean, you miss, so think about four. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. Four and four.

Yeah. Or even six. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Four, you know, or even six, six, six, or. We talked about hitting like the greens in the wrong spots or something, you know, it's definitely not a given that all four of us are gonna hit the green in the right, in the correct spot. So we're gonna be putting from some bad spots. And then I could see us three, putting for sure. I saw the green.

I stink. Oh, we do, but scrambles are so easy. You don't make bogeys and scrambles. I guess, I stay but scramble are so easy you don't make bogies and scramble I guess I don't know you guys didn't you guys didn't inspire a lot of confidence for us following you at the key you didn't make a lot of 28 on the back nine yeah well you had a tour player with you that too well that helps but andies would for be our pick for going back to that previous question also and he would be stroking out the whole about pointing out all the things that were wrong

with the guss that you would be too triggered. He wouldn't be able to play well. Andy likes to guss. If you had to pick one whole, like just the hardest hole in the course, the one that you have the most problems making par on what it before. Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably.

Although four might be like a comfortable driver for me, honestly. Just like a fun driver. Just like a fun driver, hit it up by the green, like chip and put. Moab. Yeah. I'm drive or hit it up by the green and like chip and put it. I love that. Yeah. I'm trying to think of a hole where I would like make

double more than I would make anything else. I feel like 10, I really struggled on 10. No, because like you drive it so well that I think you'd I think you'd be okay. I think that green would just get way deep in your head. But the shadows and stuff there, I can see that. And just the way the whole thing's canted. What if you could replace? That's a good question. I really like that one. If you could place replace one member of the CBS comment in crew who would it be and who gets their spot. I'm

assuming we'd be for Augusta. Um, man. I mean, I fouled out I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I and not give him anymore. I mean, that was fantastic. Remember when Rose was up against speed in 15? How, Fowdo I swear was gonna come out of the booth and start reading Puts for Rose if he was rooting for him so hard. I just, I loved it when we were watching the telecast of the night from 2004, and Fowdo is talking over. They caddy Convo between, it's between Phil and Bones. It was the 2010 masters, when he was in the in the

pine straw on 13 on 13 on that on that Sunday and like you can hear you can still hear it over Fowdo talking so you can hear the conversation but he talked over like one of the greatest like the best like do I go for it do I not conversations like in modern masters history and found out I was talking over it. That sums it up in the 40s right there. It's the absolute worst. I think the, I miss Peter Oosterhouse.

Yeah. Like, I love Vern, Vern on 16th is awesome. Yeah, I've heard my loss of step. He was, he had a couple of miskeys. I remember a little cherub. No, I'm heard might have lost a step. He was he had a couple miskeys. I remember a little cherub. No, I'm in, but you know, as far as kind of really bringing the bringing the heat. You know who I'm replacing? If we're beyond Fowdo, Bill Mackenzie. Yeah, he's just like replaced. 14 level. Yeah, first time hearing. Exactly. Exactly. There you go. He's generic filler. Yeah, I think that's fair. I'm not team level. Yeah, first time here I got this. Exactly, there you go. He's generic filler.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I'm a disparity. I'm a disparity a lot. Yeah. What hold, he had what, 15? He did 15. Yeah. He was there for when Tiger hit that shot in 2011, that the twirl and all that stuff.

All right. If Bryson invented a time machine and you go back and change the result of any one shot in Master's history, what would you change? Oh man. That's a good question too. Definitely have Phil make that putt on 13 after the shot out of the planster. Yeah, but he went on in one. Yeah, I guess.

That's true. What about Tiger actually making that putt in 2011 after stuffing it on 15 for Eagle? He was like the first. Or Tiger not hitting the flagstick on 15. Oh, that's the one. Yeah, I think that's the one. I mean, I feel like we've got some recency bias here. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Modern master's history. He's not hitting in the water on 12 with his first shot. God, that was tough. That was a rough one. That was a rough one. You know what? I don't know why this is always stuck with me, but I wish Kenny Perry wouldn't mucked up that playoff. You've been Kenny Perry guy?

I think Kenny Perry. You're wearing your hat very high on your head right now. I think Kenny Perry would have been a phenomenal master's champion. He's a gentleman. I really like Kenny Perry. It would have been very on-brand for him to win. And I think he's got an underrated career. Yeah.

He was a monster for a while. He was a killer. Yeah. OK. I can get down on that. So we've had a lot of fun rewatching a lot of the masters, the final round, Master's Telecast. Have you guys got to watch many of them?

Which ones are your favorite to rewatch? Or which ones should be before the end of the, before the tournament starts? I feel like I was always like, I haven't watched a ton of them, which ones are your favorite to rewatch? Or which ones should be before the end of the, before the tournament starts? I feel like I was always like, I haven't watched a ton of them this year. I watched 2004 with you guys. I popped in just a bit of the 97 one, just because it's fun to watch.

I feel like I was always kind of looking at a lot of them on YouTube, just like random clips that were already on there, so it's cool that they put the actual official versions. It adds the content. On there now. Yeah, exactly. Because you forget certain things like. I mean, 2011 was not that bad house. Yeah, I mean, I had forgotten that Rory was leading when he had to hit that ball in the cabins on 10.

I thought he'd blown it more on the front nine. He only shot one over I think on the front. I'm a huge fan of, I mean, just like obviously finding out what happened or not finding out but rewatching you know what happened in the tournament is cool. But the fashion stuff is awesome. Like Roy's got that like horrible Oakley shirt on and the Jumara hat. It's like in between fans. It's like he got totally fit I think the next year but he was like weirdly kind of fat still and the only thing I would say is I kind of wish on some level that they left the commercials in there.

I love watching. I think that would be pretty cool. There's always some random Anthony Kim sightings like in 2010 and 2011, he went nuts for a while. Remember when I think he made 11 birdies in one day? That's it. I knew that, but just hearing you say it out loud is shock, he made a double and two bogies on that day.

I think so we shot 65 or something like that with 11 birdies. Guy missed that guy. I haven't done it yet, but I want to go back and watch 82. Craig Stadler wins in a playoff. I want to watch 77 when fuzzy one. Yeah, that one's it.

Yeah, 79. 79. 79. Yeah, that was a playoff as well It's need and Tom Watson that one just going through like the scores and everything I mean that was I Hope I guess it takes I hope they don't take those down because I'd like to do I bet they do I don't know I think they'll I think they'll leave them up. I kind of want to go watch different when they put it on their own site Well, you put it out on YouTube, but I don't know be weird to take them now I kind of want to watch oh it. It's different when they put it on their own site Yeah, you put it on YouTube, but I don't know be weird to take them down. I kind of want to watch

O7 just to understand how it happened How plus one won the master's how ZJ wanted I know like 45 degrees Like really firm whatnot, but I don't know who else I mean tiger was up there right tiger for a second Yeah, I'm trying to keep Rory 17ian tiger second. Yeah, he's Rory 17 and Tiger. 20. I mean, even last year didn't break 72, 73, 74, 72, 72. It's amazing even to watch 17s. Like, and you just you always, you know, remember Sergio winning, but you forget the sequence of events, forget him going into the trees on 13 when he was two down,

thinking it was like over. And then Eagles 15 and like, I forgot that Rose Bogey 17 and had a putt on 72nd hole to win it. And then Sergio had a putt to win it, missed it. And I think I forgot all those things that you just said. Right? That's what makes these things so awesome. It's so easy to get something on them.

I'm 15. I'm number 15, that's about it. But yeah, it's funny how disposable all these come as soon as you get done watching. All right, this was a little bit of a shorter episode, but we've had a lot of guests on last couple of the last couple of episodes, but wanted to get our masters takes out there in advance. We're obviously pretty fired up. Again, reminder, tune into the live show every night, live on Periscope and on Twitter.

And we'll see you guys then. See ya. Crockle. We'll see you guys then. See ya. Crackle on. Be the right club. Be the right club today. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most.

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