No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 133: Masters Recap

Episode Date: April 9, 2018

Patrick Reed is your 2018 Masters champion, and I’m joined by Big Randy, DJ Pie, and Tron Carter in the Killhouse as we recap the best week in golf. We talk in detail about Reed,... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 133: Masters Recap appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lenga podcast. Full crew here in the Kill House. Big Randy has essentially moved out of Jack's DJ Pies here. Tronus here.

Patrick Reed is your 2018 Masters Champion. Gentlemen, first question. What is Patrick Reed serving at the 2019 Champions dinner? Big question, I gotta believe it's gonna be steak based of some sort of steak. I did see a good tweet someone said he's gonna cater all of Garden, which was a pretty good one, I thought. I don't know, big Randy, what do you think?

Just like cow. Cow with potatoes. Yeah, I think cheesecake factory. Yeah, new low reach. I can see that. Is he gonna redesign the interior of his home with this $2 million that he just earned? That's a good point. Or is he gonna redesign the green jacket

to have those like black and white squares on the inside? Black and white, it's gonna be American flag. I'm sorry, are you kidding me? He's already, he's already spoken. I think you're overrating his outward aesthetics versus, you need to look at how he redesigned his house. That's what I was basing in.

Exactly. Yeah, you got that couch with the black and white squares was not good. I think it's gonna be hot dogs and hamburgers. I really think it might be a barbecue. Or the ala door. Yeah, it might be a barbecue. It might be a barbecue.

I could see that. All right, so I feel like, I wrote for a day today. It was a weird day. I wrote for a week. A lot of people said a lot of things. For mostly for the content purposes. He's very, very entertaining.

I think he's one of the more fascinating characters. That being said, he's a very polarizing character. I actually think he's more liked in Europe, probably than he is in the United States. Most of the, which is amazing. Yeah, it is. I mean, Europeans kind of have the kind of polter hate towards them, but tend to respect

them. I was kind of surprised. I did like a little like survey after the Ryder Cup in 16. Like, what do Europeans think? And they're like, man, that whatever the guy that says that man have been born from Zeus's balls, that is resonated with me. Was that kind of like the anonymous player survey about the fight in the parking lot breaking out? Yeah. Which player would you help?

Yeah, so what was it, Bubba was there? I know you researched your part of it. All right, Bubba. Bubba was the winner of that survey and Reed was second. So I mean, he Reed is not the most popular player to say the least. Reed, for me, is interesting in that. Everybody always makes the Polter comparison

in match play and Ryder Cup, Bubba-Bah. I think Polter comparison and match play and I'll, you know, ride or cut blah blah blah. I think Polter kind of loses steam just because he hasn't really grown the legend outside of that. It turns into this one trick thing and it's almost kind of just like shallow or kind of there's not much meat to it. I think that I agree with you. You agree with you, your mouth is. Yeah, and I agree with you that I root for Reed just because he's interesting and really fun to

watch for better or worse. I think every win that he gets just kind of grows that and almost legitimizes that hype. The rider couple will be better because he won the Masters. Right. He's so, his wins are huge. We talked about that before about obviously now the Masters. You want WGC's, you want a FedEx cup playoff event Which you know as far as you know little prestigious the FedEx cup events have they have some of the most un the strongest fields in golf

I mean, let's let's call it what it is But he's not consistent like he misses cuts. He goes on these runs He's not he's not like he doesn't belong in the Rory category or any JT or any of these guys Definitely not like a speed level player, but he's now a major champion. He's vaulted into a new category. I just don't know what that category is. He's kind of carving out his own category. Yeah.

I don't know. I sense just in the room today was, I mean, we're definitely rooting for for speed and the excitement and the comeback, but even on Twitter and the patrons at the crowd there that was a bit of hesitation as he was coming up that 72nd hole. He's a good heel. He is. And I think that's, you know, it's fun to root sometimes against the heel, but usually the heel loses.

Right. Like in wrestling, right? Like in the biggest moment. And so I think, you know, with him winning and pulling through, yeah, create a little bit of an awkward dynamic. But I'm kind of happy for him. I think if anything, you know, it sets up kind of a, hopefully this even encourages, encourages, uh, read to be even more, uh, preposterous, aggressive, and, you know, confident. Yeah. This emboldened him. Yeah. I think that could, you know, confident, this emboldened him.

Yeah, I think that could, you know, long-term big picture. I think it could be great for the game. Can we just address that now the four defending major champions are all age 27 or younger and all American? America first. America. Putting America first. I think that's not insignificant.

Tron, you've been a little bit quiet so far. Yeah, it feels a little... Hey, happy birthday, by the way. Yeah, happy birthday, guys. Flesh out, and we want to hear your full fleshed out. Randy, on your point, it feels a little bit fatalistic that the heel wins this time. And that's like the world ends or something.

And it's kind of depressing. But I'm going to try to uplift it here. So Reed, I think his transgressions are well documented. The Augusta State stuff, which it was laughable a week that people were referring to him as an Augusta local. It's absurd. I mean, I think the galleries out there were, those were the smallest cheers I've ever heard for somebody walking up 18 at the masters.

But I think his transgressions are well documented, obviously, at UGA, at Augusta State, I've ever heard for somebody walking up 18 at the masters. But I think his transgressions are well documented, obviously, that UGA at Augusta State, I've heard, you know, hundreds of, literally hundreds of stories from a variety of people, almost tweets he none of them good. I think what gets me is the steadfast refusal to acknowledge anything. Or, you know, everything he's just sheltered

nobody wants to acknowledge it nobody want like he doesn't want to say sorry for anything he never wants to to acknowledge anything and move forward so it's always gonna be lingering there versus you know anybody else if they mess up it's just all right hey I'm gonna apologize for it I'm gonna and we're gonna move on and we're gonna grow from it and I can kind of become a comeback story. Versus, that's never gonna happen with Patrick Reed. He's always gonna be the heel, he's always gonna be the dickhead.

What? We went from heel to dickhead there. Yeah, that was a flip to good, good, good, good call. See, you're ever joicing, guys. No, but it's, some people, you know, we're chiming in today like, wait, why do people dislike Patrick Reed? It's like, all right,, but it's, some people, you know, are chiming in today like, what is, why do people dislike Patrick Reed? It's like, all right, yeah, you should do some Googling

and get, like, it's kind of sad story that he doesn't talk to his parents anymore. His parents weren't there. And, you know, like, you alluded to his transgressions at Georgia and everything. So there's, there's plenty of reason for, for dislike out there. Like I said, I kind of am separating the human

from the entertainment factor here. I don't necessarily root for him as a human, but man, is it hilarious and fun to watch him just? What was the helicopter thing? I mean, that's so exaggerated. Yeah, that's like he just keeps mixing in all these things. It just makes it so entertaining. I do find it ironic that he, of all people,

he would win the tournament that prides itself on. Totally. Gentlemenly condo. Yeah, yeah But he hits a granary relish in that you know, it's kind of like John daily winning at St Andrews Yeah, yeah a little bit. I mean like he's fought like we touched on he's like far from a consistent performer But like whatever you want to call it like this cockiness confidence or arrogance whatever he carries that like to Legitimately increases performance like and I made the point back in 2016 when he played Rory cockiness, confidence or arrogance, whatever. He carries that to legitimately increase his performance. I made the point back in 2016 when he played Rory, he's not on Rory's level.

Rory knows that, but Reed doesn't. And that was what allows him to perform in these types of situations. And I mean, he was just flat out nails today too. I know he shot one under, but I mean, there was almost no putts you know, I don't think anyone's any of us were really rooting for him to win necessarily. You know, we all kind of wanted Rory or Spieth or whomever, but, you know, there was no putts that he was standing over there that

I think any of us thought he was going to miss. I mean, I was in complete control. Totally. And and he he looked like he was in complete control because he made all the right shots at the right time, but I was looking at I mean, he hit the same number of greens as Tiger this week, which is kind of shocking that, you know, it's just when he needed to make putts, he needed to make shots or whatever. You know, he made them and he did get a couple, you know, everybody gets a couple breaks when they win.

The ball not going in the water on 13 was a little, you know, that's a gift. The ball hitting the flags, they got 17, and not going, you know, 12, 15 feet past was a gift. But, you know, those things happen and winners the winner. You give him a lot of history. That's right. I want to acknowledge the fact that he kind of conquered the deep state and learned how to hit a fader or a cut. I mean, I said this on the last show, I know, but like it was, from the time I was,

you know, 12 until kind of even like recently, I played a huge draw my whole life, and the idea of hitting a cut was just this giant exaggerated thing, and I've never seen a tour player go through close to the same thing, where it's like, it's a cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, please cut, please cut, please cut. And he's just hitting these giant helicopter swings. I mean, it was like, it's pretty captivating to watch.

It's the opposite of flip it. Flip it is. Yeah, exactly. Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. It's ice. Yeah. I go back to Saturday. But it was good, by the way.

I mean, he just, he didn't really miss in the wrong spots and that could have been the difference, too. I mean, I know Andy, Andy Johnson, I think, said that on either Twitter or in the newsletter. But I mean, I don't think he had broken 70 before this year at Augusta. And you know, big part of being able to do that is like those rock hard greens, especially the first couple of days, being able to hit a cut and land it soft and some of those pins and stuff is kind of the difference.

You alluded to how he hit as many greens as Tiger, but Augusta of all places, I think it's just so important to be in the right spot on the greens. And it didn't feel like he made miles of putts. I mean, he had miles of putts. I mean, he had so few putts, but I think he attribute that more to incredible ball striking. Because I mean, he was in position. For almost every shot we saw on TV,

I felt like he was always in position. Never was it like really was he in a spot of bother? I think this is one of those stats that maybe a little bit misleading, too. Totally. Yeah. You know, being on the fringe, right point, so I'd be on the fringe, right point, so being on the fringe

on the right side of the green is a kin, too. You know, being 10 feet farther on the green. I mean, I go back to Saturday, though, and the Eagles on 13 and 15, and it's recognizing, I don't know if greatness is the right word of that, but like, I'm in the comparison of the live show, it's like, if Phil does that,

imagine how much we freak out, or if Tiger does that. I mean, so I think, obviously, you know if Phil does that, and imagine how much we freak out, or if Tiger does that. I mean, so I think, obviously, you know, it has different historical value with those guys, do it, but the fact that he made that kind of run and had that performance to get the three shot lead that he needed.

He needed all three of those shots that the lead that he took into his Sunday. I think CBS flashed a graphic, either, must have been when he got to number eight. I think when he teed off on eight, that his par five scoring was like 3.95 or something like that. It was when he was on two. He was 13 on day.

That's the one day. The first 12 par five, he was 13 on day. That's decent, just silly. That's going to get it done. We, I still think after read winning the Masters today that the thing I'll remember the most about today was Speed 64. Is that crazy? No, it's not crazy. I mean that was the most exciting thing of the day for sure. Of the day or the week?

Probably of the week. Yeah, I would say so. I mean that was and I mean people were the only other thing that made us kind of like you know we watched all four days together. The only other thing that made us kind of get up and jump around and run around the house was I think Sergio hitting five balls in the water Leisha shot on Friday. Leisha shot. Yeah, but it was the only you know really yeah Consequential thing that that made us do that that put on 16 I mean that was that was allowed as the kill house got today He's face after yeah, are you kidding me?

Kidding me yeah, he left one out there on seven which was a bit disappointing You started nitpick a 31 on the front, but Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Yeah. He left one out there on seven, which was a bit disappointing. He'd started a nitpick, a 31 on the front. But the 100-yard T-Shot in 18, that one hurt you. Yeah, that's going to hurt you. That one hurt a little bit. But that's golf, you know? That's going to hurt you.

I was just going to have to a number. I don't know. Yeah, that's a number. Total. It's kind of a monormon ball. There. That's usually a situation. Yeah, I'm watching three wood.

You play that shot as fast as possible, so other groups can't see where you are. Usually, if I hit one of those, I'm usually hoping by the time we get to the green, you guys have forgotten about the top. There's no ladies season in Gostas. Yeah, I don't know how we got a yardage down there. So I mean, does the 18th really take away from In Your Guys Minds, the performance that you put out today, Randy, what do you think?

No, I don't think so. I mean, I would have liked to have seen him finish at nine under just to kind of be there, apply a little bit more pressure to read. But, you know, it was a hell of a round. As you guys were talking, I was just thinking too, you know, as 66 on Thursday, it's going to get forgotten a little bit too. Yeah. Bogey 18 that day too. Yeah, it was his tournament. But no, it was his tournament But no done done take away from me. I don't think so everyone's gonna start doing the thing I do right where you just pick him every year. I mean why why wouldn't you he's played in five masters That's what I mean Thursday in today showed for sure. Yeah when he flexes

I mean he's just he's been busy surgical 14 golfers have beaten him in five masters It's absurd his first five masters and My favorite stack in back to Thursday, when he finished Thursday with the lead, that's now nine times in his career. He's held the lead at Augusta at the end of the day. At the end of the day, since 1992, he is tied for the most, with Tiger Nine, with Tiger.

I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. It's kind of a preposter with Tiger. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. It's kind of a preposterous. Kind of amazing. It's ignorant. He's crazy. He and Reed have the same amount of green jackets. Like, that doesn't seem right.

Like Jordan should legitimately have four. Right? By now. I mean, is it, so we had this question. Well, I'm being dead serious. Yeah. Griller should have one. Shout out to Griller.

Oh, dude. Alpha. We have a,ller. My dude, Alpha. We have a speaking of Greller. We didn't get to hear the conversation on 13. I know we're going to talk about CBS later, but that was like, we're going to get that was tough. We're going to let's tough to not hear the conversation on 13 between four iron and hybrid and wind and where am I missing and what am I doing? I'm going to muzzle myself and just tell me when to tag.

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Now let's get back to our master's recap. BMC, money BMC has the question over under on speed green jackets now total, I said, what, I, I just supposed to, all right, if you're ever going to send in a question, send in the number with the over under, don't rely on us to help with the over under, I'll set it at three and a half. That's what I was thinking in my mind. I think he wins four. That's a good three and a half is a good number. Right. I'll take the man, I'll take the under just because I think you guys are going to take the over.

Yeah. Well, you know, as he's proved that, you know, it's hard to close it. They are hard to win. Gun to my head, I think I'm taking over though. I'm taking over. On that same note, I think this is... I'm not sure if you had this one tagged for later in the podcast, but who wins the career

grand slam first? Rory, Phil, or George? Do any of them. I think you guys are all looking at me. I think Jordan. I think Jordan's my guy, man. I think he, like, not when he wants to, I was going to say when he wants to be. He's the best player in the world, but I think he just, all things being equal to all people

who are looking at the best player in the world. There's like a five-year window sort of thing. I think he's the best player in the world, but I think he just all things being equal to all people. We're looking at the best player in the world. There's like a five year window sort of thing. I think he's the best player in the world. I still think we're pending the best to come from speed. I really actually. That's a good way to stay at the world. So I think this was an interesting year because I feel like his game is so much less predicated upon hitting the ball well. What do you mean? Like he's his mental game and his course management and everything is so strong that it's less incumbent upon him to just flush his irons

or kill it off the tee or putt well. Like he's always going to be right on the cusp, whereas if Rory's not on, he's off. Right. Whereas Jordan's always on because he's got all these other things working for him. I just think he's, and I'll make the point until I'm in the grave that he, ball striking is so under-appreciated.

And this year, he's actually kind of really struggled with putting. And he's legitimately one of the maybe at worst 10 best iron players in the game. He just doesn't get the, he doesn't have the beautiful swing. That's what I think, maybe so pumped about watching him on Thursday. Right. And that's what Augusta does so well, and I just really all the majors do so well is You never the for the rest of the year you never really get too excited about watching it guy hit it, you know 12 feet Left of the pin below the hole like you do it at majors where you're like oh my god That's so fucking good what he just did. Yeah, and like that's that's what Augusta brings out and all the rest of the majors bring out and spieth does it as well as anybody?

I feel like he I mean the last two months everybody's been asking like what's wrong with them? What's wrong with them? And it's it's been a conscientious decision from him to to basically get in the lab and Trying to speak and like you know and and work on things and and perfect things and improve instead of just resting on Hey, I've had a good year last year Let's keep it rolling and I think there's something to be said for that. Yeah Moving on Rory. Hold on. Go ahead. Sorry. My heart wanted to answer that question. Okay. It's Michelson Yeah, this year. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, Michelson's gonna win the US Open Absolutely. I was gonna say the same thing. I refused to believe we'll live in a world

without Michelson winning the US Open. Michelson, can't lay, and Leashman are all gonna share the US Open this year. Perfect. I mean, I wasn't super filled with confidence in what we saw from Phil coming in this week. Well, coming in at the top of his game. Get the can you as we take on his wrist, man.

He was kind of like a poor man's speed this week, where the first round was super solid. Obviously, he had a good number today, shot a 67. And it was just horrendous starting on number nine on Friday. And as it tends to do for Phil sometimes, it gets away from him and some big numbers creep in. But yeah, you know, he's just gonna have to conjure some magic, I think.

It's a hard pick, I hope he's good. It's a good question. It's one that's gonna be circulating for quite some time. Let me get the USO to go to Pebble next year. Is that right? Yeah. Speed, speed has to win two more That's kind of the deal to is that's kind of the equalizer. What do you mean? Speed's got to win two more. He's got to win a PGA, right? Yeah, yeah, so he's got a one a PGA

Shitty's Got three guys that three. Yeah, so good many people so I still got three. You should have seven I still think DJ one how old is it? He's what 24 24. I think he might win seven masters. Wow. It's a lot. He, uh, he, I was kind of disappointed with his, his, you know, before he even went to the PGA last year, said, this is going to be the hardest one for me to win because the set up and everything. I was like, is a PGA even like known for specific kind of set up? It's just like a normal tournament. I don't like him like just like winning the John Deere classic.

Right. A really long John Deere. Yeah, so the only problem I have is. He's kind of a low key grinder though. It's true. You know, I think speed likes it when it's tougher. Very difficult. Okay.

Well, I'll move into moving to May too. You might bring in some Texas PGA. We'll see. I don't think they're scheduled to go to Texas anytime in the next 10 years. We'll see. Do you know? First time hearing it.

Are we ready to talk about the Rory Disappointment? Well, so the last thing I was gonna say about the last thing I was gonna say about predicting the masters and it kinda ties into the Rory thing is, I feel like people tend to get out over their skis a little bit when they're signing these Masters winners, because if you go back even at what all of us have said over the, you know, whatever, past five years,

you have a tendency to throw out like, oh, you know, Phil's gonna win another one, and Tiger, he's gonna win another, Jordan's gonna win seven, Bubba's gonna win, you know, Bubba's gonna win five. We're doing out a lot of. Rory, you know, it's it's a perfect course of Rory He's probably gonna win six of these things. It's like, okay, well, that's that's the next 25 years like I don't know You know, I don't think it's gonna play out What was Tiger? Nobody ever wins as many as somebody who's in the picture. Yeah, laptop. What was Tiger's record?

How many messages Jordan played in now five? This is this was his fifth. Yeah, what was Tiger's record? How many messages is Jordan played in now? Five. This was his fifth, yeah. What was Tiger's record through five? Five messages, two wins. Well, he won as a professional. As a professional. So he won in 97. He won in 2001 and 2002. So he won three of his first six.

Two of his first five. So he had two green checks. How did he finish in 98 and 99? 98, I think he was. Here we go. You got it. in 98 and 99? 98 I think he was. Here we go, I got it. You got it. Yep, so 97, first one is a pro. Obviously one.

So he went win T8, T18, fifth, win, win, T15, T22, win, T3, T2, second, and then he's finished. I don't think Speed's record is far off of that. No. Nice. He had seven top sixes in a row, which is pretty good. Plus Tiger didn't have to deal with Baghdad Jerry. And this left-handed fade. That's true. Very true.

OK, Rory, are we finally ready to do this? Not mad, just disappointed. I think is the general consensus. Yeah. I thought it was going to go away differently today. I think I picked him last night in the live show. I thought Roe was going to run him down. It looked like after one and a half holes that he had run him down. The mispot on two, do we really think that's what D'Aryldom today?

I kind of refuse to believe it, but I don't think it's what D'A rail them. I just think it's what kind of gave us the message that Hey, maybe he's maybe his games not quite ready for prime time or not quite I mean I came back and he hit you know Four is probably the hardest hole in the golf course, you know, maybe four and eleven But you came back and stuck it to what five inside five feet on four. I mean, I think he's still he's still in some fight left But I don't know I didn't really want to I I mean, I think he's still, he's still in some fight left, but I don't know, I didn't really wanna, I don't wanna vocalize it

because I didn't want it to be true, but I gotta look at the stats, but I feel like every time he's kind of been in this position, especially to, I mean, especially to Gostob, but whenever he's up there and you think he's really gonna just come out and buck his head, he's kind of laid some eggs recently,

and I don't know, watching him just kind of block wipe that ball and almost miss that ball off the first, I was kind of like, ah, I don't know. I him just kind of block wipe that ball and almost miss that ball off the first. I was kind of like, ah, I think the most, I just don't think he's going to go out and like step on the gas and do this. How badly he hit it off the tee and kind of the middle part of the round. Yeah. It may have been the camera angle when they showed a slow-mo of that first swing off the

first tee. I legitimately like almost whiff the ball. Like it was so far out on the toe. But I mean, they coming back at two and stuffing that shot, I mean, I got a driver eight iron or something number two, which is just absurd. It felt like that was gonna, and I don't know, I felt like,

you know, I said this, but thought he really actually wanted some kind of vengeance for Hazeltein and kind of thought he made some comments about the course setup at Hazeltein and how, you know, he would have preferred more rough and obviously the European team commented about where the pins were set up. And I think he kind of looked at that easy setup and thought that neutralizes some of his advantage with Reed and that's what allowed Reed to kind of stay on the same field as him.

And you put him in a back, you put him on a golf course, a major championship golf course on Sunday that Roy would wipe the floor with him. And that's what I thought would happen and I it didn't I mean again I think historically we're gonna look at Rory and Reed in very different ways But man, that's that's twice in huge moments that read has gotten the better of Rory this one by a lot So Rory's kind of starting to seem like, and I mean this in the most kind of complimentary genius way possible, a little bit more like Arnie. Where Arnie had some really kind of heartbreaking collapses and heartbreaking performances down the stretch in majors and probably should have won twice as many majors as he did and

hit the ball a long way past everybody else and was extremely well-liked and well-adjusted and just a great ambassador for the game. I feel like Rory's very similar to that and when he wins he runs away from the field and boat races everybody, but he hasn't shown a propensity to grind. I think that's extremely concerning. I don't know, this may be kind of kind of active to everything I just said, but I'm actually more confident after this week that Rory's gonna win a Master's than I was going into it. Even after the performance today. I still think he wins one.

Yeah, I mean, all the pieces are there. Right, you know, it's just getting him to all line up at the same time. Right, it's not like it's a golf course he can't play or shot out there, he can't hit or anything like that. So, yeah, it's different, it was different the weeks that we watched him grind for three days and then shoot the final round 65,

definition is T5, which is like, all right, I never felt like you were in contention here, being in the final group, again, the lessons to be learned from it, I think he said he learned from being in the last group Saturday in 2016 with speed, he's obviously learned from what happened in 2011 and there will be lessons to be learned about this today. So my confidence hasn't dipped that he will win one.

With Rory, I just don't feel like we've, I don't think everything's clicked for him for four days at Augusta. I mean, that's obvious, but if you look at his other major wins and you look at kind of the arc of his career, last year was kind of a lost year. I think he's still getting back into the flow of things. So I think the best

is yet to come this year and I think next year is probably a more realistic interpretation because he's still, for all intents purposes, he's still getting used to new equipment, he's still getting used to married life. A little bit, I mean, this is still intangible too, but just getting a little confidence back too. You know, I mean, he had the week at Bay Hill which we kind of have talked about on the hit of the podcast or the live show, but I mean, you know, it's almost that kind of unsustainable makes every putt he looks at, you know, sort of thing.

But you almost even validate that win. Yeah, and I think coming out this week and just being in the hunt and the final group and all that stuff, I mean, he just, he seems like the kind of guy that, you know, it doesn't just pop up out of nowhere for him, you know, he needs to kind of build towards, build towards something big

and hopefully kind of getting a couple more of these will help with that. And he talked a lot about in Abu Dhabi where he was saying, he was like, in the past, in the last couple of years, when I played well, I've been hurt and I just couldn't practice and I felt sheepish when I played well

because I felt like I didn't truly deserve to those results I was coasting by a natural talent. When really, I feel like once he gets an ample amount or a sizable amount of hard work in, the results are gonna pay dividends. I don't think he's there yet though. It's interesting to me how, so he had three third place finishes in majors

before he won one. And since he won his first major, 2011 US Open, he has not like a close call. He's won four of them. He's won two of them by wide margins, two by close margins. And then the rest have been, he's no run reps, no third place finishes. He has a fourth place 2015 of the masters, which was backdoored. He's never, he doesn't have like the close calls. And it's, I don't know what that means. I don't know if it means anything. Even the top 10s that he gets, it seems like he's coming. He's either fading fast or coming from way back

and shooting 65 on Sunday. I don't mean this in a bad way. He may be a front runner. He's just when he's in the lead and he closes and takes care of it. Randy, what's your worry, take? I think you guys have covered it sufficiently. Save it because the next topic you're going to have to carry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, real quick, just, I don't know much to add here. You know, we kind of touched on it on the live show, but which we keep referencing the live show. If you haven't watched it, tune in on Twitter every Sunday after live spot drops get involved. Uh, but from a week long perspective, who was the forgotten man this week? Weeklong? Week long week long. I think Justin Rose. He may have been the forgot man. I think he shot four rounds.

He shot even 70, 71, 69 finished T 12. I think I maybe saw him hit five or six shots. Hit any shots. I mean, man, for a two time major champion, I didn't see bubble lots and he finished T fit. I didn't see him hit a lot of shots. I had a bunch of. Well, yeah, we watched him put a major champion, I didn't see Bubba Watson. He finished T-Fit. I didn't see him hit a lot of shots. I had to watch him put a lot. Which I don't want to do that. I want to do a bunker. I think I saw him play on 13, three different days, and none of those three days they showed his second shot.

He's maybe has the most famous T-shot ever on that hole. I didn't watch him hit any T-shots on that hole this week, but forgotten man kind of will tie into CBS, I think more so than anything, but we got to talk about the runner up. We haven't even mentioned him yet. I don't think Mr. Richard Flower, Randy, there was a line, a little, a little,

a little, a little, a little, a little, a line of sweat on our brand new couches that looked a lot like from where you were sitting today. Swamp, but you were sweating this one out. I mean, your thoughts. That's a little bit of fake news. I think I was, I was comfortable. I think my take is, I'm gonna crack a beer for this. I, uh, I contend, I contend it was a little bit of a backdoor second. I'm not sure how much he was in it No 65 67 on the weekend

He did but he was one over through seven today. I think if he gets off to well, obviously if he gets off to a better start He's you know, yeah, he's in it, but just as far as applying pressure Really having a chance. You know, he just kind of ran out of holes. And I think that's attributed to his start. I think you'd be getting a lot more flack if he started hot and then played the last like 7-1 over.

Like I think it's more impressive than he birdied 6-11. He did battle. He did battle. He bucked. He's a good player. He's a good player. I've never claimed he's not a good player.

What is your, can you clarify your take? Let's get this on the record. So, Randy's going to be a lot more of a staple in this podcast. So, let's get this laid out and let's do it now. I wish we could roll back the tape. If you guys could, do you guys remember what you said at the start of this podcast about Patrick Reed about what this win does for him. It doesn't put him in Rory's class. It doesn't put him in speech class. It doesn't, he's not there. He's not here.

He's clearly now above Ricky in terms of career accomplishments. Definitely. But yet, who gets fond over, you know, every telecast. I mean, who has the tax slayer endorsement, though? Who, you know, who was being put in the big four a few years ago? I just think my take, my honest to God take from the beginning. I mean, re-kind of put himself in the big five a couple of years ago. And that's fair. And that's fair.

My honest to God take from, you know, a few years ago was, my whole thing has been, his reputation has always outpaced his on course results. And I think in conjunction with that, you know, gosh, you just get a ton of that marketing, a ton of the, you know, the high tops, the orange, the, just there's a lot that's getting thrown in my face, which I just, I don't like it.

Some of the more, you're just really pissing around the off. I'm not picking up what he's putting down all the time. So that's my, you know, that's my, that's where you're coming from. That's my, you know, that's my... Where you're coming from? That's my original take. I believe the term was late stage capitalism? So I glossed on late stage capitalism Rick this weekend. Post industrialist Rick.

Yeah, I think he's a little overmonitized. I think he's, you know, praying on this like fast fashion trends which are just horrendous for the environment. I think, you know, I think it's cynical. I think it's, you know, it's one of my favorite late-stage capitalism quotes. I'll read it for you. It comes from the novel Bleeding Edge. And the guy goes late capitalism as a pyramid racket on a global scale. And I just kind of feel like that's Ricky's game a little bit.

That's a threat you take. That's not a mean spirit to take. And that's nothing against him personally. Everything I've heard about him personally, I've never met the guy. He's a great guy to hang out with. And so I want to make that clear. It's nothing personal. It's just as a golf fan, which I am That's how I feel and it makes the you know quite honestly it makes it more fun week to week when he is a little bit of a heal for me I also want to make note that he's clearly a like read gets a lot of flack for being a thief From his old you know the old stories, but nobody's talking about the farmer's commercial

with Ricky. It's still in his side. It's still in his side. He's hanging it up in his place. So did I get an insurance fraud, too? Did I do a good job laying that out? Yeah, totally. I think it's not the same way, probably.

Randy, one of your best points of you've ever made, I think about this sometimes when I lay down at night is that Ricky's got work to do to get Martin Kymers career. Yeah, that resonated with me And Kymers might be the forgot really like tragically underrated player historically, but no that makes total sense All right, I'm asking you guys answer as quick as you can hold on hold on. I'm gonna make a I'm gonna make a Ricky comparison here I think I got one too good. So Ricky you looked like I'm gonna make a Ricky comparison here. I think I got one too. Good.

So Ricky, you looked like a Tennessee volunteers football coach today. And I'm gonna say that his career thus far has been akin to the Butch Jones era. Butch Jones, yeah. He just flashier-cruiting. A lot of, yeah, a lot of sexy motivational speeches and stuff. Program seems like it's trending in the right direction, but is there a foundation there?

I think it's fair to ask. I think you know and a lot of orange too obviously Yeah, I think the margins just so small and that like if read Yax that three and a half footer and they go to a playoff and he's the major championship winner It's a coronation and all that stuff is gonna have his control Like you got beat by one guy by one shot. It's like, I think, so what I was going to ask is, what is, how many answers fast as you can? How many top five do you think Rick has at majors?

Probably six, seven, eight, two at each of them. Like that's performing really well. I mean, DJ wrote the seminal piece on Ricky. But this is where I's where I come. This is where people, I feel like guys can get punished for performing really well and not winning. They almost gets held against them. More than not performing.

Yeah, it's the whole thing, you gotta, how well do you have to play in order to be labeled a choker, basically? Right, it's kind of the same. Or how well do you have to play to deserve the endorsements on the flip side? I don't want to sound like I'm waffling here because Randy, I see where you're coming from for sure. At the same time, I'm not going to fault anybody for putting money in the pocket if somebody's

willing to offer it to him. It's hard to say no to. Hashtag team was. But that doesn't mean we have to like it, you know? So it's, that's my choice. That's my choice. Yeah, it's a complex issue. Randy doesn't like being sold to.

I was gonna say he's kind of almost don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Yeah. He almost has, if you were gonna compare him to a band, he almost kind of has to imagine Dragon's vibes, you would say. Which he's a fan of which was quoted from the 18th tower at Augusta National today.

McCord got Nick Fowler quoted in a gut and imagine Dragon's song. McCord got done. For talking about bikini wax. Yeah, Nick Fowler should get like 25 the life. I mean, yeah, that's that's egregious. Yeah, you should get a jacket taken away. Welcome to the new age to the new age. To the new age.

Yeah. Um, disgusting. We're gonna get to where we still got some things to cover before CBS. How long have we made it in here? Are we are we adequately covered with Richard flower? Well, what do we question is, are you guys, I mean, my my stance isn't changing.

I just think it's like, know until we win until you win I will yeah, I'm not gonna consider an elite player until he wins. Well, do you think there's some major? you know, I'm he's a really really really good player. I don't think he's a great player We're all probably a little young to make a comparison here But are there some Mikkelson comparisons here for sure. Well, I think Phil just won too many other tournaments. Michelson won a lot. Yeah. But that's where I was going to make that comment.

And it was $28.29. $29, I believe. Michelson, again, Rutmos and had a different career leading up to winning his first major. But Michelson didn't win his first major. There was 33. Like, four more. Totally.

It's so easy to forget about the buildup. Yeah. What happens? It takes these guys sometimes a long time I think that I think the dream scenario is he starts picking these things off and everyone can just be happy for him Yeah, including Randy including Randy my I think he'll get one. I think I'll get a major I kind of see him on a Fred couples DL3 Jim Furek. Yeah, yeah trajectory. I'll tell you what the what the kind of that's that's probably a Hall of Fame career

He's got to win some more to her events. So that's kind of the The elephant the room a little bit over look. What do you have seven? I think they come or might be really? Yeah, he's got some here Well, he's got some you know, he's got some euro. Yeah, that's your guys pain Stewart. I'm a globalist I see all the same pain store one two majors, painstored didn't win a major until he was... Painstored one, three majors? Yeah, he won three majors. The two US opens one PGA.

That's right. He didn't win a major until August 1989, at which point he was 32 years old. Well, that was like forever. That was the statistical age golfer's always peak that. I mean, he had Scott, Emskot. 32, 33. Payne Stewart had four wins,

prior to winning that first major. He won one in 89, he won the 91, US Open, he won the 99, US Open, obviously. That's interesting, that could be the content. I think that, you know. I like that. Yeah, I like that too. And they were both kind of distinct.

Just from addressing state of state. Distinctive in their own regard as well. That's interesting. That might be. That's a good comparison. But I think Ricky might be slightly above that just because the depth is a little bit stronger these days. Ricky even more than Nickers at Pinehurst. That's right. We have it. Of course he did. We're about 40 minutes in. This might be of any of the golf podcasts, I think we'll make it the longest without having a tiger mention. Do we have a mention?

We might have been a mention. We haven't talked about him yet though. For being the favorite. I don't even want to talk about him. We're gonna talk about him plenty this year. I think we got a lot of good things to come. I think it's worth addressing, definitely. I mean, he came in the tournament as a favorite and.

Guys, he drove this shit out of the ball this weekend. I think he drove it well when it was too late. Yeah, exactly. But I think that was really encouraging though. Yeah, yeah. I could see him playing really like, we're Jacksonville, Central, obviously. But I could see him playing really well with the players.

Oh, wait, he's kind of picking things apart. I can see that. Hidden three arms, I'll see. Yeah, flatish Florida courses that he's done well at so far this season. I think it was, in hindsight, we got a little excited. Everyone did. But I thought it was, you know, in hindsight, we got a little excited, everyone did. But I thought it was validated,

but going to Bentgrass Greens and a totally hilly, different golf course than what he says played. Yeah, just missing some of the bad spots. Those first time plays. It just wasn't tight enough. We're missing greens with wedges and just kind of, just need to tighten.

Just tighten. I can't tell him to lose weight, but just tighten. Just tighter. But I'm kind of, I'm pissed he's not playing heritage. That would be sweet. I think my man needs some rest. I'm kind of pissed he's not playing heritage. That would be sweet. I think my man needs some rest. I'm going to get back in the gym.

Dude, yeah, dude, say nice again in the gym. He goes out of this way to say that. Yeah. Some chatter about from some people I talked to about, him limping around a little bit, and looking a little tentative with the back, I didn't see it. Did you guys see it?

I thought it looked totally. Even if I didn't, I mean, that's hard to, I don't know. Right. I think it's kind of a 500 miles away watching TV. It's imagined it. But Phil, along the same lines, we, we was a bit of a disappointment this week. I think it was the first time that he and Tiger

have finished outside the top tent, like both finished outside the top 10 in like 20 years or something like that. I don't even know if Phil was a disappointment this week. He was just, I mean, I was excited for him going in, but that drivery hit off the deck on Saturday. Totally avenged this seven times. That was pornographic.

I thought he was priming to play knocks on Sunday after whiffing on that first hole. I thought he was going to throw up an 80 and make sure he got him that knock-tatch. I think the hard thing with Phil is, and Tiger, I guess, as well, is, you know, coming into this week, we all kind of said the same thing that, you know, there's probably 12 guys that are basically favorites at this thing, and there's all these big names. You know that not all of them are gonna be there, or gonna, you know, justify the hype, or whatever.

But I mean, the people who are in the top, that top kind of 10, 12, whatever, I mean, read Fowler's Speath, Rom, Bubba, Stenson, Maca-Roy, Dustin. I mean, those guys were like, all there. It's just, all 12 guys are not gonna be there. It's just, it's not how it goes. So, you know, we got a pretty dream master's. Totally. For, you know, you had a great point on the live show

about kind of, you know, what a leaderboard like this means, I guess, maybe. Right. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I was going to say. It's a post-filled Tiger leaderboard. Like this could be the leaderboard in the year 2026. Yeah. I mean, we're in good hands. That's what made the Tiger and Phil resurgence so interesting. Like 2014, the game was kind of in a weird place.

It wasn't like it is currently. So, but having those guys added back into the mix of already a lot of excitement going on, it's awesome. And like them dropping out, we still got a great mask. We didn't have a Trevor M on the year. We didn't have a Zach Johnson year. So, it doesn't feel, you don't feel fulfilled unless you're kind of passing it a torch.

Right. Totally. We need, before it all ends, we need, you know, a tiger or fill or tiger and fill kind of dual on Sunday with one of these young guys. Tiger has passed the torch to read. I think it's very clear. Trump just read. I think read hit it in the back and stole the torch.

Guys, going back to the painstead Ricky Feller comp. Painstead at last, five playoffs from 1984 and 1989 for Tor wins too. So he was kind of, you know, had trouble closing the deal. He lost a bogey on one of the playoffs. So, you know, but that, that, like that kind of feeds into the Ricky can't close thing too, where it's, it's kind of just like, hey, it's a game of numbers. Yeah, it's almost that he, like, I don't, I don't think it's that he can't close thing to where it's it's kind of just like hey, it's a game of numbers Yeah, it's almost the daddy like I don't I don't think it's that he can't close. It's almost like he won't close

But it's like he obviously can't get to conscientious. I don't know. It's just something like he definitely can I Have to do it. I have a hard time. It just saying doesn't happen sometimes After after six birdies and last 11 holes. I have such a long time I don't think anybody can say you can't close after the players. The one player. That's what I mean. Observe. I mean, what did he shoot today on the back?

One, two, I mean, 32 on the back. Bogey free, 32 on the back. I mean, if Reed made, like all of this is so, it's so context. So I would say, like, if Reed makes a bogey on 11 and 14, then Ricky looks like he, then Ricky looks like he came in and made this late charge and shut the door, you know. Dude, how many guys have shot 14 under to Gus? Any birdie, the last. Yeah. When he needed to birdie the last. So it's like, yeah, that was serious. I think he might just be super unlucky. Can we talk about a ROM a little bit?

I don't know. ROM right. Feeling like ROM might be kind of your own luck. I don't know if you're wrong right feeling wrong might be kind of your own luck Philly's a I don't know yeah, he's yeah, I've said my My kind of be the forgot man, too. He's he's still numbered. He's number three in the world right now I think he might be four. I mean, I think he is three. I think speed this for me I don't feel like he really played that well this week and he was watching and he was right there Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they whiffed on that in the first couple days I mean they finally he made the big charge Saturday and I guess yeah, in fairness to CBS He did shoot a 75 on Thursday

But then yeah, talk about back in that you know coming back 68 65 69 And he missed some shots coming in today. Right. He made it interesting there for a while. Yeah, I feel like I'm I'll be surprised to Veram doesn't win a major this year. I think he wins the what a PGA. I think he wins Belbrief. Shout out to Big Leash, huh? I mean, absolutely. He didn't you know he finished strong on the back nine today, but kind of got the drop

from coverage treatment. He's 35 is last seven today. Didn't have a great Saturday, but man, I think the loudest the killhouse got the entire week was his shot on 15 Coming after his T shot TBS says Look at how to lay up. He's not gonna be able to get there 235 yards hooking around the tree to left flag stuff and it make an eagle. I believe Tron called it one of the best moments of his life It was a triumph of the human spirit of tron's life not of leash. No, you're right

Right of tron life, not of leash. Not you're right, right. Of trance life. It was awesome. I thought Maddie was going to rip the bib off and just flash the no-ling up T-shirt after that shot. That was just, that was, I mean, no, no, no, no. It's, we joke about that being awesome, but like to flash that kind of stones with everything on the line. No, it's Friday, but man, I mean, like, this is what you prepare for the term you prepare for to hit that shot under that.

And the people are saying, like, the Nausea was saying, he has to lay up from there, and that didn't even sound like it was a consideration for that. Well, Tronio probably get into this a little bit more too, but we're talking to Maddie, kind of throughout the week about course conditions and stuff. And watching what happened to Leeson, granted he didn't make any pots yesterday,

and kind of didn't do himself any favors. But watching what happened to him kind of shows a little bit, I think of what happens when the course gets soft and kind of what starts to happen because there's no fire. And that's like when guys like him, I think, who are just like these stellar iron players. And you know, granted speed flexed all over everybody today as a great iron player as well.

But you know, that's kind of what I love about major championships is just watching these guys have to hit their irons to surgical spots. And when the course gets kind of soft, you lose a little bit of that. And so some people are making the point about like the sub-air system is like, you know, everybody says Augusta can basically create whatever golf course. Yeah, they can kind of create whatever golf course they want. And, you know, we saw kind of a softer little, I don't know, tamer or a little, you know, more kind of birdy conducive, which maybe that's what they're going for. I'm not really sure, but it's just less interesting when it's wet.

Well, they can control what, how firm the greens play. They don't have sub-air all over the property, right? No, that's what I'm saying about it. And so you can't have a super soft. There were a lot of shots even today, like, you know, they've expected to be drier today. Yeah, like the shot that Reed hit in the 15, I just remember, like kind of sticks with me was, you know, kind of trickling off the back and you see that, like, earlier in the

week, you know, that's the one that runs all the way to the bottom of the hill and leaves you with this just absolutely terrifying shot coming back straight down the hill. And so just stuff like that is what you kind of lose from the first two days, I guess it gets straight a lot more margin for it gets traded off with Eagles and birdies Which is probably what they want but it's just it's kind of a tough trade I guess but the point and try me this point earlier but that the birdies are still there right but you're margin for your Bad shots you just get punished more like more harshly for your bad shots when Yeah, exactly, but yeah, I think they did a good job of not firming the greens up too much with the rest of the course being soft

because it doesn't make for a good tournament. I don't think when the run up areas are super soft and then the greens are firm, you don't give guys even options on how to play it. So here's a question, maybe a little bit abstract. At what point does Augusta just put a dome? Within the next 50 years, will they play within a dome? Well, I didn't think that tabstract at all.

No, I do think the sub-air thing is a tad overrated. I know they got a lot of rain yesterday, but everybody acts like it's just them playing God with the course. And it's not. Like the course played vastly different Saturday and Sunday than it did other than the week and I know that helps But also, you know, I just think there's just there's just too much rough and second cut everywhere too to where when the course does play softer it it plays

Even tamer than it would have otherwise because there's all this longer grass and the ball doesn't roll out in bad spots. Like for instance, behind 15. It's possible that the increased number of commercials could be going into the dome fund. Here we go. I'd be all for that.

Fingers crossed. We were saying it when we were there on Wednesday, how cool would it be if they could kind of true and show that place? And you know, like, Christophe, like I'm guessing there's some green, some green jackets that weren't really psyched about read. I mean, you know, they crank up the wind on 17 and 18 and it's like a between true and show and hunger games. Yeah, maybe even manipulate a couple of the greens as

he's, as he's, you know, playing to him. earthquake. That'd be great. All the conspiracy theories that would come from the read kit for that one. That's a great transition. I'm talking about commercials straight to CBS at the time. We made it 50 minutes. We made it a long way into this one. Let's keep it tight. People, you know, we've made our probably set our piece. I think DJs on the take from see-pots.

I'm not. I'm not. I think there's one take to be had here. And that is pivotal moment in the tournament. Jordan Speed, everybody knows that he flared it out to the right. I would use pivotal moment in the tournament. Jordan's speed, everybody knows that he flared it out to the right. I would use another word in any other context. Flared up the right on 13. CBS goes to commercial. They come back from commercial. While they're at commercial, speed hits the second shot in the 13 after a long discussion conversation debate with

Greller. We're about club selection. Which kind of just proved that they are probably the best player, Caddy Duo, out there right now. Which Fowdo probably would have talked over anyway, but we'll let that go. So everybody's watching us on masters.com or whatever. But I'm not, I'm not, because I want to watch it on the big TV. You know, I don't want to, like, I want one, we're all kind of watching together. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, I get the whole streaming thing. Everybody's like, yeah, just watch it on Masters.com.

Like, you know, we're in a big room together. We're not. Huddler on a computer. You want to watch the main telecast. And then they come back from commercial. They show a montage. I don't even know. I wouldn't call it a highlight package, because Roy didn't make a putt. I don't think so. It wouldn't call it a highlight package because Roy didn't make a putt.

I don't think so. It was very missed putts. This is what the highlights were. And then they showed Ricky putting on 10 and they should, yeah, and then they should two t-shots on 10. And like four or five minutes elapsed between when possibly one of the most pivotal moments

the entire tournament transpired. And they showed it canned and've cut out the 42nd conversation between Speed and Griller. Yeah, this was after birdies on eight, birdie on nine, then he birdied 12, and like you hit the tee shot, and you know that there's a decision that's gonna come here, like it was evident.

The decision to go to commercial, it's not like maybe they had to, again, I don't know how that stuff works, but you gotta know. It wasn't a long commercial. No, but you gotta come back. You gotta be ready for this moment that is coming up is the one of the best holes in golf

with a former master's champion as much as like, Augusta celebrates his former champions and he's making the charge. He was nine back to start the day, is making the charge. He was already six under on the day and he's about to hit the shot into 13 and you whifted, you totally whifted.

So here's what I'm at, is that it? It's inscusable. I don't even care that, I get what you guys are saying with the timing of it and delaying it and all that stuff. I don't even, like I really don't, I don't even care about that. Because we are a special kind of weird golf nut that has it on the iPad and watching on Twitter and doing all the stuff.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people are not doing that. So like, show it in whatever order you want, just tell the story. What's inexcusable is not a showing a replay of probably the... Probably the best shot of the tournament. B, not going back and saying, oh, this is what happened before he hit that shot. That's pretty bad. I mean, that hit that shot. That's pretty bad. I mean, that conversation was awesome. That's pretty inexcusable. It was good. He was like talking about four iron and then he's like, and then probably one of the best like top two or three

caddy player conversations of the year. Oh, yeah. You know, Greller says, I think it's hybrid and speech like, I think I have to hit it a groove low. They've picked up their start line. Talking about the win. They're, yeah, it was just catnip to figure everything. Can we talk about speed birdied 13 all four days, birdied 15 all four days. You played the part of Ives 12 under this week. Gosh, he should have won. So he didn't, did he not, what did he do on two and eight?

He played two, one under, and he, he eagled eight, he played eight, three under. Crazy. That's amazing. Yeah. It's one under. But yeah, among other things, man, I mean, it's like we, Fowdo, it's at any, at no point, and I know I said this

in the live show, at no point that I feel like I was listening to somebody that had won the Master's three times. Much else I'd ever played this golf course. I mean, how is he talking about Imagine Dragons coming up 18 fair while you have been in this scenario? You've won. Three times. You've won coming up this whole.

Like give me something, man. I mean, like, Well, so he kind of, I don't know, I've made a point to you guys while we're sitting here that, Nance kind of like pressed it, like I think. Kind of coaxed him. Yeah, I don't think we're the only people that have been having this thought.

Like I think it almost seemed like production kind of nudged him and was like, hey man, like, you know, you maybe you're going through the motions, like give us some insight because Nance kept pressing him on, you know, oh, you know, this is gonna be a really hard shot coming up. What makes it so hard? And Nance, too, has credit, did a really good job of that.

I think they kind of, it kind of went away later in the round maybe, but at least it looked like they were giving it a shot. They were conscientious of it. Yeah, so hopefully that, it's a long season, hopefully that continues, but let me say it. So one positive, like the eighth hole, eight T T Ian Baker Finch is like all right this bunker He's trying to play this as close to this eighth bunker to increase his angle into eight green

I was like wow that that I just want I shouldn't be surprised by this But that was like so on a shop by shop basis. That's what makes Augusta great is like it's all about playing to the right Angles in the right positions and whatnot and that shouldn't be a rarity in a broadcast. It's like, you gotta inform your viewers. I know it's a casual audience viewing into the masters and it's fluff and it's roses and asailles and everything's wonderful with music. And as far as Augusta goes,

that's one of the few places on the course these days where you talk about the setup and everything where there's actually a reward for playing to an angle and playing close to a bunker and playing it as Mackenzie intended instead of whatever this is these days. After a T-Shot, don't say like, oh, he's fine there.

It's like, all right, yeah, it's in the fairway but he's on the wrong side of it. Like, tell us like, is that ideal position or is that acceptable position, let us know like what the considerations are that go on a shot-by-shot basis. I hate the default, especially with wide fairies, the default to being like, oh, he's just fine there. Oh, you can get a club on that.

Okay, but these are professionals. They're trying to do things with the ball. And I feel like Costus does it on 15 a little bit. But it's just because there's tree, I mean, I think part of it, though, is too, is rational. There's trees there, and he physically can't. Yeah, the thing. Well, in that I mean, I think part of it though is too is like rational like there's there's trees there and he physically Yeah, well in that yeah, good example of that. I don't really remember what they said but like

We're read laid up to on 15 was just awesome. I mean that was like a cool. Yeah, that's like a cool spot where it's like You know when he punches it through it's almost like oh man He like pulled it. It's going left, but it's like no Well, he's trying to hit it there because it's flat He could have easily he's got you know, you know, punched it. Yeah, the hook around the trees Exactly. He did that 11 to yeah, he hit tool. Yeah, you know, that kind of stuff is cool Yeah, 11 was the same thing Randy. I know it like we probably even watch we watch much more golf You've been kind of deep in the in the high school basketball scene for a while

It's probably your first kind of big four-day telecast for a while. What were your impression? Yeah, well, I'll echo your thoughts that that you've just laid out. I think What's what's most I guess frustrating? I just don't get it is they have the pro I'm gonna go a little bit different direction, but they have this pro tracer technology and you get it on some holes First year they've used it Augusta, right? Yes, yeah, so you think that'd be really keen if there was a but they have this pro tracer technology and you get it on some holes. First year they've used it at a gust of it, right? So you think that'd be really keen if there was a tournament where they could truly have it on every T-box.

You would figure this would be the tournament. And so you just get so many of these shots where you're behind the player, they're teeing off, and you can't pick up the ball off impact. And so it's like, okay, cool, like, you know, you're guessing as to the swing in the reaction, and then they pick up the ball in flight. And, you know, or they don't pick up the ball.

Or they don't. And it's just like, you know, okay, right? Like, you know, I saw the swing and I saw where it landed. I just feel like it's, they, it could just be better. I don't know, it's frustrating. It's, look at the protracer on the speed drive on the 18 today. We saw it go left.

We all, I mean, protracer adds, and we talk, this is like the 50th time I've said this on this podcast. How much it adds to the viewer experience? It's that's fantastic. Your level of excitement, too. Yeah, you don't know what you're watching otherwise. Like, on a shot.

Well, that's what I was gonna say is the problem with it, is it kind of ruins the golf shots where it's not on. Right. Totally. So used to seeing it that like that was your problem, Rainy. I figured what whole was like 14 maybe where they didn't have it. And you know, we're so used to watching these guys hit it and then you see one without and you're like, where the hell is the ball? Right.

You know, it like it almost amplifies. But it just amplifies when it's not there. If it was just kind of a weird situation. You know, people get on us for a bitch and too much about CBS. It almost amplifies, it just amplifies when it's not there. It's kind of a weird situation. You know, people get on us for a bitch and too much about CBS. Like the next major is gonna have protracer on all of them. Like it can be done. I mean, I know that for myriad of reasons is, you know,

CBS contracts all that bullshit is why it doesn't happen. We're talking about billion dollar contracts here too. Like, you get an investment with a billion. My last just quick point is it for some reason it didn't feel like other masters telecast I agree I don't feel as the commercials I don't know what it was but it just no Joe Ford just no Joe Ford yeah so so the commercial front I think I want to give a shout out to masters.com yes yeah I think just watching that especially

the first two days, and with some of the featured group, we had some qualms with some of the featured group picks, or, you know, not that's not happening. That's a tradition, that's not. Yeah, that's not like ejecting from certain groups or whatever. But that telecast is second to none. I mean, those guys just kind of get out of the way.

Davis love the third was good. Everybody on that telecast was good. Andrew Kotlin was whatever. But I feel like on the weekend, there was a lot more commercial breaks. The commercials didn't necessarily add up to more time spent in commercial, so it was, you know, but it was so much more chopped up.

You had the flow. Yeah, you had little 20, 30 second commercials every 10 minutes. That's a lot of same commercials. Yeah, it kills you. Totally. But like, it left me yearning for the Michelson. The ex on. Yeah, science Academy. Pringin, the affiliate Academy. We missed this that during the at the speech shot on 13, one of the commercials was the AT&T speed laying up commercial. Well, it was that one. And then when he missed the short putt on 18, during the at the speech shot on 13 one of the commercials was the AT&T speed laying up commercial well it was that one and then when he missed the short putt on 18 it was the no gimme's commercial right it's like that was a really weird but they but the

pizza copywriting the most ironic part about the whole laying up commercial was the slogan is it can wait and speed in there and they're like yeah it will yeah, it will wait. Yeah, it will wait. Like we're refusing to show you this for another five minutes, even though it's already happened. AT&T's is phrases, it can wait and CBS is it will. I love it. Masters.com, the functionality of that was amazing.

Seamless. You could flip so quick between browsers, there was just never buffering. No, I was really good. Oh, man, for one week a year those guys They crushed the technology aspect to a level that is got is incomprehensible I do you I think you had some takes on vert. Oh No, I thought we were past this but

well look I said this I think on the live show. I feel like a bit like Stephen A Smith kind of set this up You know know what skip no one respects verd more than me I said this, I think on the live show, I feel like a bit like Stephen A Smith kind of set this up, you know. No one, skip no one respects Verne more than me. But however, however, Verne was trash. No, he just, I finally, I think once it clicked in my head, and this is going to sound kind of stupid, probably, but once it clicked in my head that all he's doing is just basically like stating very literal facts,

which I know is kind of what it all, you know, play by play is, but it's like, and here comes Cameron Smith, and he hits it to 12 feet. He's from Australia. And he's from Australia. And he's from Australia. And now here comes Justin Thomas, walking to the green.

That one's short. That one is short. It almost sounded like a video game version, like a sound board from like, like an internet sound board from like 2004, where you just, you click and, you know, there's all the different buttons that correspond with different phrases.

It was like, it was a little tough. the different buttons that correspond with different phrases it was like It was a little tough. This is where boys pops up. Yeah, there was he did stay out of the way when speed hit the put on six right which so That's one of those like miss guided compliments. I feel like where for sure, you know Oh god, I love that guy because he just does it say thing. It's like well, that's not that hard like But what I rather have somebody like Vern versus somebody like Fowdo? Totally.

A hundred person. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. Because Fowdo's just mumbling all over it. Every catty player convo. But Vern is almost like, you know, I think he kind of gets, it's kind of the whole CBS thing. And maybe this is a commentary on it, not really evolving in, you know, 30 years,

but these guys have all kind of become a little bit of kind of caricatures of themselves, I feel like. Maybe with, you know, costus is probably the exception to that, but, you know, a lot of the times it's just, it's these guys like almost feel like they're not- No, I'm not below that. Yeah, and no below too, good call. But they almost kind of feel like they're playing

the role of themselves in these things. And it's just really annoying. People kind of, I think Tab Verne is like, oh man, it's great to have Verne in there. It's like, well, you're just, you're kind of pining for like, because you've watched 86 Masters too much. His voice is stellar though.

His voice is totally, but it's all built for the one moment. Oh god, like, But it's all built for the one moment. Oh, God! Like, and that's cool. But that is the big time exception to the rule, I would say. We're getting a little out. I feel like a gust of sweaty. That's kind of, that's kind of an allergy for Augusta in general, too. Yeah, I agree.

It's becoming a little caricature of itself. So we're there on Wednesday. Does that kind of fit into what we were feeling? I know we kind of laid out some takes on the podcast last week about attending the tournament and all that kind of stuff. I mean, I had to write up on the website. Randy, what'd you think, bud?

It's great to be back. Pretty nice grounds. Picture Randy. Yeah, benevolent Randy. Yeah, I was the the ticket provider. It's just really fun to walk around. I mean, it's one of those things and I've said this before and my favorite thing about going there is they don't goug you, right?

Free parking. Once you get in the gates, it's, you know, cheap concessions. It's just really refreshing. But, you know, I think we went on Wednesday, so we were driving back from Chattanooga, so it kind of broke up our drive, which was nice. It was, we went over to the Part Three area for a little bit. The original course.

Didn't hang out there too long though. I think, I don't like being around that many people anyway. But it's just really, it's cool just to walk the course. Well that's why I think Wednesday is the play because they close it. They close it for the Part 3 contest at whatever it is, 1230 or one or something. And you just got basically like the most famous golf course in the world to yourself. It feels like when you're walking around, you look at all the different holes in the greens and it's awesome. We're with Mr. Locoh. That's where he's stroking out at some of the green complex business. Yeah, so it was such a privilege

to you know get his thoughts on you know not only architecture but how to play different shots and kind of what he's sees and is looking at. And also a big shout out to the weather. It was like, it was post-carrying. Perfect. You know, nice breeze, very comfortable and kind of a quarter zip or long sleeves on top. It was worth it. It was worth it. Yeah.

No, it was just, you know, it was fun. It was a great day. I don't know. Do you guys have anything else you want to add? It was good to just get it fresh. Last time I was there was 2012 with you and it just, that's six years of a long time. Get it, the images fresh in your head of what those shots look like. It is such a cool, special place that, you know, we spend a lot of time in the podcast leading up to it, talking, kind of nitpicking on the things that are not great about Augusta,

but it is a golf course that is just the history behind it and learning all behind it about the history is kind of elevates its status in my eyes, so to get the grounds, a special day to kind of walk it and see it and smell it as weird as that sounds, but just kind of get the senses and the sightlines and stuff was, it was great, it's better to me to do that than like actually watch the golf there, I think. Yeah, hi, great. It's better to me to do that than actually watch the golf there, I think.

Yeah, I agree. It's a rare golf course. I mean, I've never been there on a Sunday. I've been there during tournament days and stuff. I mean, for me, there's just, there's nowhere better to be than out there on Wednesday when you have the place to yourself and you can look around. But on Sunday, just ordinarily, the telecast is so good and covers everybody like I don't know why you'd ever want to be on site on Sunday. I agree. Yeah, I'm with you there.

All right, we are running a little bit past an hour here, anything major that we missed, anything that you guys are pending on coverage here. Could have a shout out, was it possibly Freddy Couples last Masters? I've heard some people looting that. Many people are saying that the back is in really, really bad shape and he hasn't played since January. I think that that would be the whole like Fred Couples giant like feature on CBS was I'm sure I don't know I didn't really watch it I'm sure it was fine but it seemed kind of

misplaced if it wasn't his last masters. Yeah I can never make up his mind on anything though. Yeah that's probably true. Yeah. Shout out to Curtis Strange. You'd be out to Sauce Reference on ESPN broadcast of the Masters. After learning what tour sauce was a couple of weeks ago,

that was fantastic. Also friend of the pod, Marco Mira, last masters. Shout out to him for a stellar career at this event. We didn't talk much about Fina. We covered that a lot in the live show, but he finished tie for 10th after dislocating his ankle. Yeah, big comeback today.

That was a stellar. I think Randy's kind of a truther on that front. I don't get how he was walking without a limb. Yeah, you had some, you know, Jeff Fuel doesn't melt ankle ligaments takes going on. Oh, I'll just done make sense. I don't get it, but yeah I think well I think it was it was pretty magnanimous of Nike too

Not make away. I think to wear that whatever color that was today Which what a what a weird thing that was that roaring read when the same group wearing the same shirt Like I can't be a good strategy. What a weird way to Yeah, you had kind of a truth or theory that that's why Rory kept the He had his pullover on all the way up. a truth or theory that that's why Rory kept the- He had his pull over on the shirt all the way up. That could have been what- That's what held him back.

Could have been constricting. We got a little warm out there. I mean, I'm sure he would have loved to take a look at him. He makes you think- And Kat didn't wear it either. I don't know if KFS did either. It might have been like waves. They may have been like morning guys are wearing something.

I don't know, I don't know how it works. Scripping socks. Period point blank. Guys should be able to wear whatever the woman. Yeah, it's the woman. I do have to chug a monster. I lost the bet to Bacon. Oh, no, no, no.

I'm sorry, sorry. You have to shotgun a monster. That's a big, that's a big can. Oh, I know. I'm gonna throw up. Probably, it's gonna come tomorrow. Is it like a original flavor monster? I think I'm allowed to choose the flavor of monster. Make it one of those coffee monsters. Oh, you should tweet a big cat for a recommendation.

Shout out to monster for sponsoring the the bet even though they definitely didn't but Rich Learner shout out to him for the apology of the week. That was I'm still kind of triggered by that. I don't think he should have caved. Can you sum up what happened? Well, yeah, for the viewers at home. I don't think he should have cared. Can you sum up what happened? Well, for the viewers at home. I don't think he cared, but I think the VP's golf channel came. Yeah, it was probably came from higher up. Sergio made his 13 on the 15th Fire Thorn, Rich. And I think DJ got off a nice little tweet in the same vein.

But Rich tweeted something, I don't know the exact wording, but something like the effect, oh, he's not going to name his next kid, Firethorn. And I'm so innocuous, like, and then Mrs. Garcia comes in hot the next day. It's like, Rich, you know, the next time you want to make fun of my family and my unborn child, don't, like, don't be an idiot. And it's just like, jeez. Which almost makes you think like she was considering

David's fun. And she like got, it was like a low-town. We got to cross it off the list. Every a pretty aggro name. But it was just like, jeez. Laugh. I would say name, name a kid's stinky Nandina. Shout out to Neil.

You're going to have to issue an apology tomorrow. I'm sure that apology did it was the order from so the rich came in with a classy apology so then Rich comes in hey you know wasn't mine I'm sorry miss the mark you know what a great Mike like look into the world and then so DJ our DJ said the same thing I felt know, I felt bad after I said, I'm like, I'm always gonna make the same joke. You felt bad, but just because the, yeah, just just from a comedy. Yeah, exactly.

Sally's boy Doug Ferguson made the same joke, you know, I made a joke on Saturday after Rory hit the, the Azaleas, he was gonna have to apologize, for hitting it in the Azaleas because it's with the current daughter's name is. Yeah, a lot of people said a lot of stuff. Hey, no regrets. Yeah, we got Twitter questions.

Yolo. We've covered a few of them. Best and worst dress of the week, David Williams wants to know. Everybody that wore Nike today. Yeah, it's not noticed. Yeah. Matsuyama, the day dressed up as Norellando Magic

cast, wallplay. That was fat. Is thatama, the day dressed up as Norellanda Magic cast. Well played. That was fat. Is that Johnson, the target employee? Yeah. If it was not good. You know what? It may not be the best dress, but I'm going to give him some,

I'm going to praise progress here. OK. Mark Liegeman did not wear a white belt all week. There you have it. Big step. Huge step in the right direction. Not a fan of speech hats. Yeah, big think square.

This was the best that speed has looked wearing black in his career though, thus far. I think we're good on questions, anything else burning for you guys before we shut her down? This is a long one. So good. There you have it.

I think it's time for the live show or not the travel series to start bucking its head this time. I know, tell us about it. I think we've mentioned a couple times, but we took a trip to Australia a couple months ago and we're gonna spin that into the first season of the NLU travel series, Tourist Sauce.

I think we're gonna driven by BMW, thank you. And I think that we are going to maybe roll out a little bit of that content this week. So you can have that. That's not to be repeated. It's not to be repeated. As well as thank you everyone that bought towels this week. So we sold out a couple of weeks ago in four hours.

We doubled our order and did some pre-orders for this and sold out in about eight hours. So we're going to have probably have to triple the order of the next time around. But there are polos in the shop. Polos in the shop, we got rain gear going live this week. Hats are back. Hats are back this week. A lot going on in the pro shop. Follows in the shop, we got rain gear going live this week. Hats are back. Hats are back this week. A lot going on in the pro shop. So swing on by there and in the meantime.

And it's a major week too. Heritage. Heritage. DJs plan heritage. Yeah, which is sweet. Nice. It's gonna be awesome. And we got Randy in the kill house.

Welcome. Well, no, Randy's back to Ohio this week. Well, essentially, he's planting his flag this week. Yeah. He'll be back soon. Yeah, he'll be back. All right, thanks for back to Ohio this week. Well, essentially, he's planting his flag this week. Yeah. He'll be back soon. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he'll be back. All right, thanks for taking with us this long. And hopefully, have another podcast coming out later this week.

In the meantime, signing off. Cheers. Peace. Peace. It's getting right to blow up. Be the right club today. Yes. Peace.

Randy, that's better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. Thank you.